date:20140129

Natchez/Jackson is 100 miles from Nashville/Franklin

On Tuesday, January 28, 2014 2:56:28 PM UTC-6, Leslie wrote:

 That's not my neck of the state;  but, this looks interesting in the area:

 http://www.nps.gov/natr/planyourvisit/bicyclinghome.htm 

 -L


 On Tuesday, January 28, 2014 2:41:35 PM UTC-5, dougP wrote:

 This summer I may be in Franklin, TN (Nashville adjacent) and wondered if 
 anyone in the area could chime in about the biking there.  Any  all input 
 appreciated.  Thanks.

 dougP



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[RBW] Re: Biking around Franklin, TN?

oops, sorry - they have expanded the parkway to Nashville - I checked the 
maps  - that would be an amazing ride.  The original parkway goes from 
Jackson TN to Jackson MS - I went to college in Nashville, of course that 
was a long time ago.  But it looks like they have a segment of parkway from 
Franklin to the Alabama line 
 http://www.nps.gov/natr/planyourvisit/upload/NATRmap_336_444_web-2.pdf 
 That would be an awesome ride, though plenty hilly.  

On Wednesday, January 29, 2014 6:51:26 AM UTC-6, Ron Mc wrote:

 Natchez/Jackson is 100 miles from Nashville/Franklin

 On Tuesday, January 28, 2014 2:56:28 PM UTC-6, Leslie wrote:

 That's not my neck of the state;  but, this looks interesting in the area:

 http://www.nps.gov/natr/planyourvisit/bicyclinghome.htm 

 -L


 On Tuesday, January 28, 2014 2:41:35 PM UTC-5, dougP wrote:

 This summer I may be in Franklin, TN (Nashville adjacent) and wondered 
 if anyone in the area could chime in about the biking there.  Any  all 
 input appreciated.  Thanks.

 dougP



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Re: [RBW] Re: My Bike Life Is Lacking

2014-01-29 Thread Pondero

This consistent conquering of obstacles is pure inspiration.

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Re: [RBW] Re: From Sadness to Happiness - I'm Riding Again!


On 01/29/2014 06:50 AM, Bruce Herbitter wrote:

I have found that riding un clipped helps me avoid knee pain issues.



As does float in clipless pedals.  However, neither is going to be of 
much use with advanced osteoarthritis.  For many, synthetic synovial 
fluid is a miracle cure.  Having taken my first injection yesterday, I'm 
hoping I'm among that number.



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Re: [RBW] Re: From Sadness to Happiness - I'm Riding Again!

Fantastic!

With abandon,
Patrick

On Tuesday, January 28, 2014 10:10:29 PM UTC-7, Cecily Walker wrote:

 Just short boring commutes for now, but soon I'm going to start working on 
 longer rides so I can do the Pacific Populaire in April: 
 http://www.randonneurs.bc.ca/pacpop/what_is.html

 On Tuesday, January 28, 2014 8:54:52 PM UTC-8, Manuel Acosta wrote:

 Solid. Now for pictures!best road for recovery is documentation!
 Otherwise you know 



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Re: [RBW] Re: My Bike Life Is Lacking

2014-01-29 Thread Minh


ha! $400 will be money well spent if it means you can drive the bike to the 
bottom of the hill, use it to run errands or take a ride everyday, it will 
be pennies per use in no time.  i'm stuck in the middle of winter and have 
not been on the bike in a few weeks, cranky for sure!

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Re: [RBW] Re: From Sadness to Happiness - I'm Riding Again!

2014-01-29 Thread Bruce Herbitter


Me too!
On 1/29/2014 7:29 AM, Steve Palincsar wrote:
with advanced osteoarthritis.  For many, synthetic synovial fluid is a 
miracle cure.  Having taken my first injection yesterday, I'm hoping 
I'm among that number.




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Re: [RBW] Biking around Franklin, TN?

2014-01-29 Thread Joan Oppel

Doug - My daughter and her family live in Nashville, and while they don't bike (except for very short outings), I've looked into some resources there and nearby. Here's a couple of suggestions. The Harpeth bike club is in Franklin county - harpethbikeclub.com. Most bike clubs have cue sheets or routes that they are willing to share. You might check out the contact link under the resources tab on the club's website and get in touch with someone about ride routes. They also welcome guests on their club rides.There's also the Veloteers - veloteers.org. They have links to routes (cue sheets and maps to ride starts) at the bottom of their home page. JoanOn 01/28/14, dougPdougpn...@cox.net wrote:This summer I may be in Franklin, TN (Nashville adjacent) and wondered if anyone in the area could chime in about the biking there. Any all input appreciated. Thanks.dougP-- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Winter Bikepacking tips?

2014-01-29 Thread Montclair BobbyB

Motobecane (today at least) is a bargain brand sold through BikesDirect...
(I'm sure the name is the only thing in common with the old French-built
Motobecanes of the 70s/80s). And while I haven't yet heard anything really
BAD about them, I suspect you do get what you pay for. Considering a good
set of fatbike wheels and tires alone may run you $700, this may be good
for someone wanting to get introduced to the fatbike concept for relatively
little $, but I suspect would ultimately require plenty of up-spec'ing to
make the ride tolerable. (I hope I'm wrong, and we see lots of
less-expensive fatbikes out there).

And I completely agree with Patrick that the marketing claims are BS... 4
inch tires (even mostly deflated) will provide some degree of float, but
not in deep powder... no way, Jose...

Do be safe, Patrick... those are some extreme conditions you're facing.

On Tuesday, January 28, 2014 2:05:28 PM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:

I'm not familiar with Motobecane, but wherever this marketing came from
I'm calling BS: Float over three feet of soft powder snow A toboggan with
a single person on it doesn't do that unless it is packed, and then it
doesn't matter how deep it is.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Tuesday, January 28, 2014 11:00:25 AM UTC-7, Skenry wrote:

The fat bikes don't have to be expensive. I'm trying so very hard not to
purchase one of these...

http://www.bikesdirect.com/products/motobecane/fat-bikes/fantom-fat-bikes_fb4comp_xiv.htm
only $695 shipped

On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 11:18 AM, Ryan ryte...@mts.net wrote:

And here's another site with links for winter cycling including
maintenance:

http://greenactioncentre.ca/2012/cycling-through-winter/

In Winnipeg, a lot of the couriers go fixed or single-speed, but we're
pretty flat in Winnipeg so the less is more philosophy works well here;
obviously this doesn't apply to your situation.

Those fat bikes seem like they'd be great for bikepacking, but they sure
aren't inexpensive, and I realize you want to use your Hunqapillar. I
suspect some snowshoes that you could pack would be useful, too if the
snow's deep, because I suspect you'll have to hike a lot of sections.

Regards

On Monday, January 27, 2014 8:21:38 PM UTC-6, Deacon Patrick wrote:

Thanks, Jim. Yes, it is quite a temperature range -- bigger than
summer's range. Yesterday, we reached 45 here, and this morning was -5˚F,
so that is a 50 degree swing in 18 hours. I've ridden my bike for short
rides down to -15˚F. So I'm reasonably comfortable that my setup is OK as
is. I didn't see anything super glaring in the list you provided.

Yes, miles of deep snow will be an adventure. I'm curious to see how
that goes. With my vertigo, I can't carry any weight above my waist, so my
wheeled pack-mammoth is my beast of burden. Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Monday, January 27, 2014 6:01:01 PM UTC-7, Jim M. wrote:

Sorry, forgot the link: http://www.allweathersports.
com/isport/ibiketips.html

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Re: [RBW] Re: The Windsor Rides!

2014-01-29 Thread Montclair BobbyB

BRAVO, Bill... BRAVO  Ride it with deep pride.  BB

On Tuesday, January 28, 2014 1:38:10 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:

 Thanks Tom.  If I can impress you, that's pretty good.  I'm going to take 
 some bag-matching shots of it as well

 On Tuesday, January 28, 2014 7:59:48 AM UTC-8, Pudge wrote:

  Spectacular is correct.  Such a beautiful project, beautifully 
 executed.  Congratulations.




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[RBW] Re: Winter Bikepacking tips?

You're spot on, Ian. We've worked out multiple options for day trip spots 
so there are options if I'm not doing well when a construction Monday comes.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Tuesday, January 28, 2014 11:27:12 PM UTC-7, IanA wrote:

 In that case it sounds like a truly excellent endeavor - especially the 
 fact that you'll only be trekking in and out by bike and if push comes to 
 shove, you can walk out with minimum kit and come back for the the bike and 
 other gear when conditions allow.

 It certainly seems that you have good clothes etc. to make things 
 comfortable.  Are you able to commute in and out?  Come home at nights if 
 construction is daytime only?  Would things be safe left unattended?  It 
 certainly seems that you will have peace there and I'd be most interested 
 in learning of your experiences.

 Ian.

 On Tuesday, January 28, 2014 4:13:45 PM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:

 Remember, Ian, I'm going prepared for -30 should it happen, but -10 to 
 -20 is more likely even in a cold snap unless it's a really strong one. 
 Basically, I want cushion in what my gear can handle. The Hunqapillar is 
 the pack animal to get my stuff in (since I can't carry weight above my 
 waist). Once I'm in, unless conditions are favorable for biking, I'll be 
 running or snowshoeing till Friday noon, then head back out. In is 3-5 
 miles, so while there is no cell service, I do have the big red button 
 emergency personal beacon should the worst happen. I have Feathered Friends 
 expedition down jacket and pants and Seger Arctic mukluks all rated to 
 -30˚F, and I'll be doing a shakedown S24O in the next week or so (hoping 
 for a cold spell like we just had to test the extremes, but doesn't look 
 likely at the moment, with lows possibly only reaching zero).

 On my run today, the temp was -10˚F with winds at the gusting to 30. No 
 idea what the windchill is there, but with my ventile jacket, even though I 
 sweated wearing only two thin layers of wool and my ventile shell, it 
 breathes so well and blocks the wind so well that it was not an issue 
 whatsoever on a 10 mile run after a 3 mile bike. Click right to see other 
 photos in the series. 
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/32311885@N07/12193608356/in/photostream/

 With abandon,
 Patrick  

 On Tuesday, January 28, 2014 3:48:24 PM UTC-7, IanA wrote:

 -30F is too cold - I've done my work commute of forty minutes in 
 slightly higher temperatures -20F (-29celcius) with windchill calculated as 
 part of that value and certainly once, I found my body was struggling to 
 warm itself again after I got inside.  I got caught at an intersection and 
 the wind got me.  The trouble is that in order to ride in those 
 temperatures and even over hard packed snow, the amount of energy used is 
 immense, the body sweats a great deal.  And this for very short trips only. 
  I can't imagine you'd ever want to leave the sleeping bag and that brings 
 massive frustration.  I believe for that sort of winter camping, you'd be 
 better leaving the bicycle at home.

 14 degrees F/-10 celcius is even too cold for extended exposure, 
 although for the 40 min commute, that temperature was surprisingly 
 enjoyable.  I have spent time in sub zero C (sub 30F) for extended periods 
 while bicycle travelling, with the nights being quite a bit colder, 
 sleeping in the tent etc.  A lot of this time was in the high Andes and 
 through Patagonia.  Sometimes I had to walk the bike to get circulation 
 back into the feet.  No snow to deal with (not to speak of anyway) and this 
 was, although at times a challenge and a couple of dangerously cold nights, 
 was a fine and peaceful experience, one I feel lucky to have had.  There 
 were times over 4000 metres that if the weather had changed - rain for 
 example, where I'd have been in serious trouble.  

 The Iditabikers, although incredible human beings, do have some level of 
 support.  It's different when you're alone out there. Can you find 
 something at lower elevation?  Sunsets, sea and bicycles, tents and camp 
 stoves - best things ever.

 Ian A/Canada

 On Monday, January 27, 2014 3:42:17 PM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:

 So rather than flee as a whole family to the southern reaches of 
 Arizona and all the unknown of that that could wreak havoc on my 
 bludgeoned 
 brain, I will be solo bikepacking the areas around here (Pikes Peak) that 
 I 
 know so well. But construction now has a start date of February 17 and an 
 unknown completion date (I’m guessing 3-8 weeks).

 Temps at the various elevations I’ll be at can range from 45˚F-minus 
 30˚F. I’m familiar with how to camp at those temperatures, but anyone have 
 experience with caring for a bike at those temps/in snow? What do I need 
 to 
 consider? 

 With abandon,
 Patrick

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[RBW] Re: FS: 68 CM Quickbeam. 1500.00

2014-01-29 Thread Kelly

Here are some more and newer and older for that matter of this gorgeous 
bike.   The photos with the ablastash and light brown tape are as it is 
now.   If you prefer the mustache cockpit let me know and I'll switch them 
out. 

Kelly

On Tuesday, January 28, 2014 11:23:51 PM UTC-6, Kelly wrote:

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/tksleeper/sets/72157633031703828/

 Including extra set of wheels, bag.. Dyno and lights.  

 Will have it boxed.. But you will pay freight .. Ups or fedx. Pickup is 
 good too.

 Great shape, good riding bike.   

 Contact me offline.. Phone even better since I'm not in front fx computer 
 much anymore.  I was retired from Hp and now starting a couple of new 
 businesses... Hate my boss.. Doesn't let me ride as much :)

 This is one hell of a deal if I do say so myself.

 Kelly
 314-799-4743
 tkslee...@gmail.com



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Re: [RBW] Re: Winter Bikepacking tips?

2014-01-29 Thread Scott Henry

Over the past few years I have purchased I think 4 bikes from Bikesdirect.
 One a S3X fixie, two cross bikes for my teens and one townie as a
just-have-around spare.   No problems at all, and while the frames are just
average, there isn't anything bad about them.  The parts spec are great for
the price.  My kids aluminum cross bikes were full alivio for less than
$400.   The S3X was $300 for a complete bike when i'm hard pressed to find
a whole wheelset in that pricerange.

I have nice bikes, but absolutely nothing wrong with anything from
Bikesdierct.com that I have ever seen.  They are my first recommendation to
anyone who ever asks me about cycling.


On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 10:48 AM, Montclair BobbyB 
montclairbob...@gmail.com wrote:

 Motobecane (today at least) is a bargain brand sold through BikesDirect...
 (I'm sure the name is the only thing in common with the old French-built
 Motobecanes of the 70s/80s). And while I haven't yet heard anything really
 BAD about them, I suspect you do get what you pay for.  Considering a good
 set of fatbike wheels and tires alone may run you $700, this may be good
 for someone wanting to get introduced to the fatbike concept for relatively
 little $, but I suspect would ultimately require plenty of up-spec'ing to
 make the ride tolerable. (I hope I'm wrong, and we see lots of
 less-expensive fatbikes out there).

 And I completely agree with Patrick that the marketing claims are BS...  4
 inch tires (even mostly deflated) will provide some degree of float, but
 not in deep powder... no way, Jose...

 Do be safe, Patrick... those are some extreme conditions you're facing.

 BB


 On Tuesday, January 28, 2014 2:05:28 PM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:

 I'm not familiar with Motobecane, but wherever this marketing came from
 I'm calling BS: Float over three feet of soft powder snow A toboggan with
 a single person on it doesn't do that unless it is packed, and then it
 doesn't matter how deep it is.

 With abandon,
 Patrick

 On Tuesday, January 28, 2014 11:00:25 AM UTC-7, Skenry wrote:

 The fat bikes don't have to be expensive.  I'm trying so very hard not
 to purchase one of these...
 http://www.bikesdirect.com/products/motobecane/fat-bikes/
 fantom-fat-bikes_fb4comp_xiv.htm
 only $695 shipped




 On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 11:18 AM, Ryan ryte...@mts.net wrote:

 And here's another site with links for winter cycling including
 maintenance:

 http://greenactioncentre.ca/2012/cycling-through-winter/

 In Winnipeg, a lot of the couriers go fixed or  single-speed, but we're
 pretty flat in Winnipeg so the less is more philosophy works well here;
 obviously this doesn't apply to your situation.

 Those fat bikes seem like they'd be great for bikepacking, but they
 sure aren't  inexpensive, and I realize you want to use your Hunqapillar. I
 suspect some snowshoes that you could pack would be useful, too if the
 snow's deep, because I suspect you'll have to hike a lot of sections.

 Regards

 On Monday, January 27, 2014 8:21:38 PM UTC-6, Deacon Patrick wrote:

 Thanks, Jim. Yes, it is quite a temperature range -- bigger than
 summer's range. Yesterday, we reached 45 here, and this morning was -5˚F,
 so that is a 50 degree swing in 18 hours. I've ridden my bike for short
 rides down to -15˚F. So I'm reasonably comfortable that my setup is OK as
 is. I didn't see anything super glaring in the list you provided.

 Yes, miles of deep snow will be an adventure. I'm curious to see how
 that goes. With my vertigo, I can't carry any weight above my waist, so my
 wheeled pack-mammoth is my beast of burden. Grin.

 With abandon,
 Patrick

 On Monday, January 27, 2014 6:01:01 PM UTC-7, Jim M. wrote:


 Sorry, forgot the link: http://www.allweathersports.co
 m/isport/ibiketips.html

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Re: [RBW] Re: Winter Bikepacking tips?

2014-01-29 Thread Leslie

When my very-long-legged teenage son needed a bike, I got him a 64cm
Motobecane CX...
(http://www.bikesdirect.com/products/motobecane/fantom_cross_cx2.htm);
Yes, it's an inexpensive bike, but, it's been serving him well. He's now
taken it to college and is running all over campus w/ it...

On Wednesday, January 29, 2014 10:48:03 AM UTC-5, Montclair BobbyB wrote:

And I completely agree with Patrick that the marketing claims are BS... 4
inch tires (even mostly deflated) will provide some degree of float, but
not in deep powder... no way, Jose...

Do be safe, Patrick... those are some extreme conditions you're facing.

On Tuesday, January 28, 2014 2:05:28 PM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:

With abandon,
Patrick

On Tuesday, January 28, 2014 11:00:25 AM UTC-7, Skenry wrote:

The fat bikes don't have to be expensive. I'm trying so very hard not
to purchase one of these...

http://www.bikesdirect.com/products/motobecane/fat-bikes/fantom-fat-bikes_fb4comp_xiv.htm
only $695 shipped

On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 11:18 AM, Ryan ryte...@mts.net wrote:

And here's another site with links for winter cycling including
maintenance:

http://greenactioncentre.ca/2012/cycling-through-winter/

In Winnipeg, a lot of the couriers go fixed or single-speed, but we're
pretty flat in Winnipeg so the less is more philosophy works well here;
obviously this doesn't apply to your situation.

Those fat bikes seem like they'd be great for bikepacking, but they
sure aren't inexpensive, and I realize you want to use your Hunqapillar.
I
suspect some snowshoes that you could pack would be useful, too if the
snow's deep, because I suspect you'll have to hike a lot of sections.

Regards

On Monday, January 27, 2014 8:21:38 PM UTC-6, Deacon Patrick wrote:

Yes, miles of deep snow will be an adventure. I'm curious to see how
that goes. With my vertigo, I can't carry any weight above my waist, so
my
wheeled pack-mammoth is my beast of burden. Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Monday, January 27, 2014 6:01:01 PM UTC-7, Jim M. wrote:

Sorry, forgot the link: http://www.allweathersports.
com/isport/ibiketips.html

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[RBW] Riv horse-trading on a Riv-centric site

2014-01-29 Thread Joe Bernard

Branching off comments in another thread - and no doubt generating much 
unpopularity, but I'm a liberal who chats regularly with conservatives on 
politics sites, so I'm ok with it - this topic has been an edgy one for me 
for quite some time. There's much buying/selling that goes on here for Riv 
and Riv-ish things - I do it, too - which is fine: If you have a bag or 
stem lying around you're not using, might as well sell it, right? Right, 
but when it comes to actively searching around for a deal on things 
Rivendell sells, I get a little queasy about this being done on a Riv Forum 
as opposed to Ebay or Craigslist.
 
What concerns me is that we've developed a secondary market amongst each 
other for things we can buy new from RBW, and if that market continues to 
flourish at the expense of the folks who originally provided the products, 
we're eventually going to find ourselves wondering what happened to those 
nice folks in Walnut Creek. Of course I'm not saying we have to stop 
selling things we don't need anymore, but I think we should be careful how 
hard we push the 'search' part of this activity on a Riv-specific forum. A 
while back I needed a DirtDrop stem, a headlight, and some reflectors. 
Rivendell sells them. They came expertly packed in a nice little box. 
 
Joe soapbox Bernard
Vallejo, CA.

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[RBW] Re: Riv horse-trading on a Riv-centric site

I agree completely.  Bravo for the soapbox talk.  I try and give the 
benefit of the doubt to the WTB posts like that, assuming that the people 
fishing for a deal really sincerely cannot afford to pay full price.  You 
are absolutely right, though, that if everybody did it, it would represent 
a real problem.  I know I struggle with it, the need to feel like I'm 
getting a deal.  Fortunately for Rivendell, my need to get a deal usually 
just forces me to put more stuff in my cart so I can get the free shipping. 
 My need to get a deal led me to use both of the current coupon codes 
(January best/worst sellers + bike snob free shipping) and place an order 
yesterday.  



On Wednesday, January 29, 2014 9:25:03 AM UTC-8, Joe Bernard wrote:

 Branching off comments in another thread - and no doubt generating much 
 unpopularity, but I'm a liberal who chats regularly with conservatives on 
 politics sites, so I'm ok with it - this topic has been an edgy one for me 
 for quite some time. There's much buying/selling that goes on here for Riv 
 and Riv-ish things - I do it, too - which is fine: If you have a bag or 
 stem lying around you're not using, might as well sell it, right? Right, 
 but when it comes to actively searching around for a deal on things 
 Rivendell sells, I get a little queasy about this being done on a Riv Forum 
 as opposed to Ebay or Craigslist.
  
 What concerns me is that we've developed a secondary market amongst each 
 other for things we can buy new from RBW, and if that market continues to 
 flourish at the expense of the folks who originally provided the products, 
 we're eventually going to find ourselves wondering what happened to those 
 nice folks in Walnut Creek. Of course I'm not saying we have to stop 
 selling things we don't need anymore, but I think we should be careful how 
 hard we push the 'search' part of this activity on a Riv-specific forum. A 
 while back I needed a DirtDrop stem, a headlight, and some reflectors. 
 Rivendell sells them. They came expertly packed in a nice little box. 
  
 Joe soapbox Bernard
 Vallejo, CA.


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Re: [RBW] Re: The Windsor Rides!

Thanks Bobby.  I rode it in service yesterday.  I had a couple amusing 
shake-down ride experiences:

1.  I forgot how easily chrome seatposts slide.  My 75.5cm SH was 73cm by 
the time I got home.  Tighten it up, Nancy!
2.  I was getting noise shifting into the 32 cog, and this 1973 suntour 
derailer has a B-Screw, so I tightened it, rotating the derailer AWAY from 
the freewheel in order to clear the 32.  That made the noise worse.  Turns 
out that it runs quiet when the upper jockey wheel is almost riding on the 
32, so I had to loosen the b-screw.  It was kind of the opposite of normal 
rear derailer setup conventions

I LOVE LOVE LOVE the Albatross bars.  

More add-ons will include the Nitto wireguard, to keep my Saddlesack off 
the rear brake.  I also ordered a pair of black Sackville hub shiners, and 
a hammerstrike bell.  Riv content: I ordered all three from Rivendell

On Wednesday, January 29, 2014 8:10:38 AM UTC-8, Montclair BobbyB wrote:

 BRAVO, Bill... BRAVO  Ride it with deep pride.  BB

 On Tuesday, January 28, 2014 1:38:10 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:

 Thanks Tom.  If I can impress you, that's pretty good.  I'm going to take 
 some bag-matching shots of it as well

 On Tuesday, January 28, 2014 7:59:48 AM UTC-8, Pudge wrote:

  Spectacular is correct.  Such a beautiful project, beautifully 
 executed.  Congratulations.




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[RBW] Hotlantis

2014-01-29 Thread tarik saleh

All sorts of good from bilenky's flickr stream:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/26208450@N02/12208374003/
anyone's here?

laters

Tarik


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[RBW] Re: Riv horse-trading on a Riv-centric site

+1. So many of the products Rivendell offers are not available anywhere 
else. They produce what they want that doesn't exist. That is incredible, 
and what they make happens to be incredibly practical and beautiful and 
brilliant and hearty and well crafted -- a very rare combination. I want to 
reward that and so I will happily buy less or save longer in order to buy 
from them.

My rule is this: I save up to buy what I want from them. If they no longer 
carry it, have stopped producing it, or it's a long or unknown wait, then I 
may go to the secondary market.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Wednesday, January 29, 2014 10:25:03 AM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:

 Branching off comments in another thread - and no doubt generating much 
 unpopularity, but I'm a liberal who chats regularly with conservatives on 
 politics sites, so I'm ok with it - this topic has been an edgy one for me 
 for quite some time. There's much buying/selling that goes on here for Riv 
 and Riv-ish things - I do it, too - which is fine: If you have a bag or 
 stem lying around you're not using, might as well sell it, right? Right, 
 but when it comes to actively searching around for a deal on things 
 Rivendell sells, I get a little queasy about this being done on a Riv Forum 
 as opposed to Ebay or Craigslist.
  
 What concerns me is that we've developed a secondary market amongst each 
 other for things we can buy new from RBW, and if that market continues to 
 flourish at the expense of the folks who originally provided the products, 
 we're eventually going to find ourselves wondering what happened to those 
 nice folks in Walnut Creek. Of course I'm not saying we have to stop 
 selling things we don't need anymore, but I think we should be careful how 
 hard we push the 'search' part of this activity on a Riv-specific forum. A 
 while back I needed a DirtDrop stem, a headlight, and some reflectors. 
 Rivendell sells them. They came expertly packed in a nice little box. 
  
 Joe soapbox Bernard
 Vallejo, CA.


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Re: [RBW] Re: SAN FRANCISCO Sunrise Coffee Club, Tuesday 1/28 7am @ Wave Organ

2014-01-29 Thread Jason Ferrier

Nice to meet you Chris and Irving!

Here's a time lapse of the morning.
https://vimeo.com/85318907

Scott - get out there!  I grew up in NE Ohio and if I were still there, I 
would ride over to Cuyahoga Valley and make coffee in the Valley in the 
snow to learn how much alcohol I need to boil 12oz of water in that 
temperature!

Jason

On Tuesday, January 28, 2014 10:02:52 AM UTC-8, Christopher Chen wrote:

 Some of the best coffee rides are solo, by the way.


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  wrote:

 Really cool idea, hopefully someone will post pictures.   I don't think 
 Dayton, Ohio has the ridership or the weather to have a coffee ride.   Its 
 warmed up to a balmy -9 so far today.
  
 Scott


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 cc...@nougat.orgjavascript:
  wrote:

 Okay, see some of you tomorrow. Maybe we'll do a ride afterwards. I'd 
 like to hit up Turtle Tower in Little Saigon for breakfast, especially if 
 Tommy doesn't show up.

 OH SNAP TOMMY


 On Sun, Jan 26, 2014 at 11:03 AM, Irving (boyzonthehoods.com) 
 irvin...@gmail.com javascript: wrote:

 I should be able to make it to this!

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[RBW] Re: From Sadness to Happiness - I'm Riding Again!

2014-01-29 Thread Clayton

Cecily, I've had the same injections and they work rather well. I still 
need a knee replacement though, because the cartilage on my femur is worn 
out. I was told by my knee specialist that they are sooo close to being 
able to grow new cartilage, that I should try to hold out. I have a worn 
out cadaver ACL replacement that needs fixing and wear a brace instead when 
walking, but not riding. It kills to ride with it on, when I try to walk 
later. There is always the Velominati rule number 5 to fall back on...I 
try to keep it in mind.
 

On Tuesday, January 28, 2014 7:26:23 PM UTC-8, Cecily Walker wrote:

 Thanks to the miracles of modern science and physiotherapy, I'm back 
 riding my bike a lot sooner than expected!  I'll still need a knee 
 replacement eventually, but I was referred to a sports medicine physician 
 who has been giving me injections of Synvisc - a synthetic synovial fluid - 
 in my arthritic right knee. I still have one more injection to go, but 
 after that, the knee should be good for another 9-12 months! This stuff 
 isn't cheap, and it isn't covered by my extended medical insurance, but 
 it's a small price to pay for freedom from pain and greatly increased 
 mobility.

 I just wanted to share my good news since so many of you were so lovely 
 and expressed such great concern when I was convinced I'd have to stop 
 riding until I had surgery. Love you guys and gals. 

 Cecily (the happy biking librarian)


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RE: [RBW] Re: Riv horse-trading on a Riv-centric site

2014-01-29 Thread Allingham II, Thomas J

Right – the desire for a deal is satisfied by getting the free shipping, for 
me.  I can’t remember the last sub-$150 Riv order I placed.  OTOH, I have quite 
an inventory of chains and cassettes waiting for the right project.  ;-)

From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Bill Lindsay
Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2014 1:06 PM
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Subject: [RBW] Re: Riv horse-trading on a Riv-centric site

I agree completely.  Bravo for the soapbox talk.  I try and give the benefit of 
the doubt to the WTB posts like that, assuming that the people fishing for a 
deal really sincerely cannot afford to pay full price.  You are absolutely 
right, though, that if everybody did it, it would represent a real problem.  I 
know I struggle with it, the need to feel like I'm getting a deal.  Fortunately 
for Rivendell, my need to get a deal usually just forces me to put more stuff 
in my cart so I can get the free shipping.  My need to get a deal led me to use 
both of the current coupon codes (January best/worst sellers + bike snob free 
shipping) and place an order yesterday.

On Wednesday, January 29, 2014 9:25:03 AM UTC-8, Joe Bernard wrote:
Branching off comments in another thread - and no doubt generating much 
unpopularity, but I'm a liberal who chats regularly with conservatives on 
politics sites, so I'm ok with it - this topic has been an edgy one for me for 
quite some time. There's much buying/selling that goes on here for Riv and 
Riv-ish things - I do it, too - which is fine: If you have a bag or stem lying 
around you're not using, might as well sell it, right? Right, but when it comes 
to actively searching around for a deal on things Rivendell sells, I get a 
little queasy about this being done on a Riv Forum as opposed to Ebay or 
Craigslist.

What concerns me is that we've developed a secondary market amongst each other 
for things we can buy new from RBW, and if that market continues to flourish at 
the expense of the folks who originally provided the products, we're eventually 
going to find ourselves wondering what happened to those nice folks in Walnut 
Creek. Of course I'm not saying we have to stop selling things we don't need 
anymore, but I think we should be careful how hard we push the 'search' part of 
this activity on a Riv-specific forum. A while back I needed a DirtDrop stem, a 
headlight, and some reflectors. Rivendell sells them. They came expertly packed 
in a nice little box.

Joe soapbox Bernard
Vallejo, CA.
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Re: [RBW] Re: SoCal February S240 poll.

2014-01-29 Thread rperks

I am not sure if I will be able to make it or not, but would put in a 
strong vote for Casitas.  I made it into the part itself a couple of weeks 
ago.  There are plenty of back roads, out and backs to get supplies, an 
ghost town (water district claimed neighborhood, most houses are flattened) 
to explore for those not afraid to jump fences, and all manner of pleasant 
stuff.  Denison is nice enough but not as much diversion for how close it 
is to town(s).  

Rob

On Tuesday, January 28, 2014 10:45:57 AM UTC-8, hsmitham wrote:

 Truly.

 ~Hugh

 “Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep 
 moving.” ― Albert Einstein

 http://velocipedemusings.blogspot.com/




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 Are you just regrouping in the old family haunts before moving to the 
 West side of Los Angeles?


 Yep, in a bit of a holding pattern down here in Rancho Bernardo until my 
 place up north is ready in a couple of weeks.

 Lake Hodges trails are right out my backyard, so there are worse problems 
 to have.


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 San Diego, CA USA

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Re: [RBW] Re: Riv horse-trading on a Riv-centric site

INVENTORY!  Now you are speaking my language.  My free-shipping-filler item 
now has moved to CX70 front derailers.  Anytime I need a few more dollars 
in my cart, I'll add one of those.  I've got two lifetimes worth of 
brakelevers, shiftlevers and rear derailers.  ;-) 

On Wednesday, January 29, 2014 11:20:52 AM UTC-8, Pudge wrote:

  Right – the desire for a deal is satisfied by getting the free shipping, 
 for me.  I can’t remember the last sub-$150 Riv order I placed.  OTOH, I 
 have quite an inventory of chains and cassettes waiting for the right 
 project.  ;-)

  




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[RBW] Re: Riv horse-trading on a Riv-centric site

2014-01-29 Thread iamkeith

I agree completely, and might even take it a couple of steps further:

Don't forget that many of those products that are available elsewhere were 
actually designed BY Rivendell, with a significant outlay of their time 
and/or other resources.   It's not as if they even sell *anything* at 
unreasonably high prices but, even if they did, I think there's an 
obligation to patronize them ESPECIALLY for those products.   It makes me 
uncomfortable to see MKS lambda pedals, Tektro bigmouth brakes, Silver 
shifters, Nitto Mark's Racks, etc., etc. sold on other websites at all - 
but especially for a token discount over Riv Prices.  (And again, they're 
NOT always cheaper!!!)   I'll probably get some flack for this, but the one 
that REALLY bugs me is Velo Orange.   I mean I'm really glad that this 
particular market segment has grown large enough to support a cheaper 
derivative / knock-off company, but that's where it should end.  Not 
everybody can afford the high quality components that Riv insists on 
selling, and it's great that there are options for people who want not-dumb 
bikes, and can't afford top quality.   That's fair.  Even if it 
means buying from China, since that's the other alternative anyway.   But 
selling cheaper knock-off products is one thing, while also undercutting 
Riv by selling actual Riv-designed products, for a tiny bit less money, is 
kind of slimy.   


On Wednesday, January 29, 2014 10:25:03 AM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:

 Branching off comments in another thread - and no doubt generating much 
 unpopularity, but I'm a liberal who chats regularly with conservatives on 
 politics sites, so I'm ok with it - this topic has been an edgy one for me 
 for quite some time. There's much buying/selling that goes on here for Riv 
 and Riv-ish things - I do it, too - which is fine: If you have a bag or 
 stem lying around you're not using, might as well sell it, right? Right, 
 but when it comes to actively searching around for a deal on things 
 Rivendell sells, I get a little queasy about this being done on a Riv Forum 
 as opposed to Ebay or Craigslist.
  
 What concerns me is that we've developed a secondary market amongst each 
 other for things we can buy new from RBW, and if that market continues to 
 flourish at the expense of the folks who originally provided the products, 
 we're eventually going to find ourselves wondering what happened to those 
 nice folks in Walnut Creek. Of course I'm not saying we have to stop 
 selling things we don't need anymore, but I think we should be careful how 
 hard we push the 'search' part of this activity on a Riv-specific forum. A 
 while back I needed a DirtDrop stem, a headlight, and some reflectors. 
 Rivendell sells them. They came expertly packed in a nice little box. 
  
 Joe soapbox Bernard
 Vallejo, CA.


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RE: [RBW] Re: Riv horse-trading on a Riv-centric site

2014-01-29 Thread Allingham II, Thomas J

I think of a bias toward buying from Riv as an investment in the continuing 
existence of an organization that makes my biking a lot more enjoyable.

From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com 
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Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2014 2:43 PM
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Subject: [RBW] Re: Riv horse-trading on a Riv-centric site

I agree completely, and might even take it a couple of steps further:

Don't forget that many of those products that are available elsewhere were 
actually designed BY Rivendell, with a significant outlay of their time and/or 
other resources.   It's not as if they even sell anything at unreasonably high 
prices but, even if they did, I think there's an obligation to patronize them 
ESPECIALLY for those products.   It makes me uncomfortable to see MKS lambda 
pedals, Tektro bigmouth brakes, Silver shifters, Nitto Mark's Racks, etc., etc. 
sold on other websites at all - but especially for a token discount over Riv 
Prices.  (And again, they're NOT always cheaper!!!)   I'll probably get some 
flack for this, but the one that REALLY bugs me is Velo Orange.   I mean I'm 
really glad that this particular market segment has grown large enough to 
support a cheaper derivative / knock-off company, but that's where it should 
end.  Not everybody can afford the high quality components that Riv insists on 
selling, and it's great that there are options for people who want not-dumb 
bikes, and can't afford top quality.   That's fair.  Even if it means buying 
from China, since that's the other alternative anyway.   But selling cheaper 
knock-off products is one thing, while also undercutting Riv by selling actual 
Riv-designed products, for a tiny bit less money, is kind of slimy.

On Wednesday, January 29, 2014 10:25:03 AM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
Branching off comments in another thread - and no doubt generating much 
unpopularity, but I'm a liberal who chats regularly with conservatives on 
politics sites, so I'm ok with it - this topic has been an edgy one for me for 
quite some time. There's much buying/selling that goes on here for Riv and 
Riv-ish things - I do it, too - which is fine: If you have a bag or stem lying 
around you're not using, might as well sell it, right? Right, but when it comes 
to actively searching around for a deal on things Rivendell sells, I get a 
little queasy about this being done on a Riv Forum as opposed to Ebay or 
Craigslist.

What concerns me is that we've developed a secondary market amongst each other 
for things we can buy new from RBW, and if that market continues to flourish at 
the expense of the folks who originally provided the products, we're eventually 
going to find ourselves wondering what happened to those nice folks in Walnut 
Creek. Of course I'm not saying we have to stop selling things we don't need 
anymore, but I think we should be careful how hard we push the 'search' part of 
this activity on a Riv-specific forum. A while back I needed a DirtDrop stem, a 
headlight, and some reflectors. Rivendell sells them. They came expertly packed 
in a nice little box.

Joe soapbox Bernard
Vallejo, CA.
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[RBW] Re: Riv horse-trading on a Riv-centric site

Riv sells the Grip King for $56 and VO sells it for $54, and every bike 
shop in the country can get them and sell them for about the same.  When 
Amazon has them for $40 (which they do), you have to give VO a pass.  

On Wednesday, January 29, 2014 11:43:20 AM UTC-8, iamkeith wrote:

 I agree completely, and might even take it a couple of steps further:

 Don't forget that many of those products that are available elsewhere were 
 actually designed BY Rivendell, with a significant outlay of their time 
 and/or other resources.   It's not as if they even sell *anything* at 
 unreasonably high prices but, even if they did, I think there's an 
 obligation to patronize them ESPECIALLY for those products.   It makes me 
 uncomfortable to see MKS lambda pedals, Tektro bigmouth brakes, Silver 
 shifters, Nitto Mark's Racks, etc., etc. sold on other websites at all - 
 but especially for a token discount over Riv Prices.  (And again, they're 
 NOT always cheaper!!!)   I'll probably get some flack for this, but the one 
 that REALLY bugs me is Velo Orange.   I mean I'm really glad that this 
 particular market segment has grown large enough to support a cheaper 
 derivative / knock-off company, but that's where it should end.  Not 
 everybody can afford the high quality components that Riv insists on 
 selling, and it's great that there are options for people who want not-dumb 
 bikes, and can't afford top quality.   That's fair.  Even if it 
 means buying from China, since that's the other alternative anyway.   But 
 selling cheaper knock-off products is one thing, while also undercutting 
 Riv by selling actual Riv-designed products, for a tiny bit less money, is 
 kind of slimy.   


 On Wednesday, January 29, 2014 10:25:03 AM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:

 Branching off comments in another thread - and no doubt generating much 
 unpopularity, but I'm a liberal who chats regularly with conservatives on 
 politics sites, so I'm ok with it - this topic has been an edgy one for me 
 for quite some time. There's much buying/selling that goes on here for Riv 
 and Riv-ish things - I do it, too - which is fine: If you have a bag or 
 stem lying around you're not using, might as well sell it, right? Right, 
 but when it comes to actively searching around for a deal on things 
 Rivendell sells, I get a little queasy about this being done on a Riv Forum 
 as opposed to Ebay or Craigslist.
  
 What concerns me is that we've developed a secondary market amongst each 
 other for things we can buy new from RBW, and if that market continues to 
 flourish at the expense of the folks who originally provided the products, 
 we're eventually going to find ourselves wondering what happened to those 
 nice folks in Walnut Creek. Of course I'm not saying we have to stop 
 selling things we don't need anymore, but I think we should be careful how 
 hard we push the 'search' part of this activity on a Riv-specific forum. A 
 while back I needed a DirtDrop stem, a headlight, and some reflectors. 
 Rivendell sells them. They came expertly packed in a nice little box. 
  
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Re: [RBW] Re: SoCal February S240 poll.

2014-01-29 Thread Hugh Smitham

Rob,

Thanks for the info I was hoping to hear from you. I hope you can make it
as it's in your back yard but understand your business and family
obligations may supersede involvement.

I was going to and will reach out to chat about the various locations of
interest.

~Hugh

Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep
moving. -- Albert Einstein

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On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 11:26 AM, rperks perks@gmail.com wrote:

 I am not sure if I will be able to make it or not, but would put in a
 strong vote for Casitas.  I made it into the part itself a couple of weeks
 ago.  There are plenty of back roads, out and backs to get supplies, an
 ghost town (water district claimed neighborhood, most houses are flattened)
 to explore for those not afraid to jump fences, and all manner of pleasant
 stuff.  Denison is nice enough but not as much diversion for how close it
 is to town(s).

 Rob


 On Tuesday, January 28, 2014 10:45:57 AM UTC-8, hsmitham wrote:

 Truly.

 ~Hugh

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 moving. -- Albert Einstein

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 On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 10:07 AM, sameness same...@gmail.com wrote:

 Are you just regrouping in the old family haunts before moving to the
 West side of Los Angeles?


 Yep, in a bit of a holding pattern down here in Rancho Bernardo until my
 place up north is ready in a couple of weeks.

 Lake Hodges trails are right out my backyard, so there are worse
 problems to have.


 Jeff Hagedorn
 San Diego, CA USA

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[RBW] ISO: 32t or 34t 7 speed freewheel. Any good options?

2014-01-29 Thread Tim Gavin

Ladies and gents-

I'm looking for a new freewheel.  7 speed, for use on a Phil hub on my Riv 
Road Standard.

For touring, I want lower cogs than the 13-28 I have on there now.  The 
Microshift rear derailer (bought from Riv!) will handle a 36t max cog and 
pick up the chain for my 50/40/30 Campy triple just fine.

So far, I see the following options.  Anyone know of more?  Thanks for your 
advice!

*Shimano* FW723 Mega Range 14/ 16/ 18/ 20/ 22/ 24/ 34
$14
+ Cheap!
- Ugly (zinc finish with huge black mega range 34t cog)

*Dimension* 13/ 15/ 17/ 21/ 24/ 28/ 32
$42
+ Shiny nickel plating
- Not cheap!  3 Shimanos at this price

*IRD* Defiant 13/ 15/ 17/ 21/ 24/ 28/ 32
$56
+ Shiny nickel plating
+ USA company.  MUSA freewheel?
- Not cheap!  4 Shimanos at this price

Gearing:  
Which is better?  Riding: touring with 220 lb rider and ~30lb of gear.
14/ 16/ 18/ 20/ 22/ 24/ 34 starts fat, ramps slowly, then massive bailout 
cog.  
13/ 15/ 17/ 21/ 24/ 28/ 32 starts medium, ramps moderately, has two, 
smaller bailout gears (28/32)

Thanks,
Tim Gavin
Cedar Rapids, IA

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Re: [RBW] ISO: 32t or 34t 7 speed freewheel. Any good options?

2014-01-29 Thread Tim Gavin

One more
DNP Epoch 11/ 13/ 15/ 18/ 21/ 24/ 32
$33
+ Shiny nickel plating
- Not cheap!  2.5 Shimanos at this price

The gearing seems weird on this one.  I don't think I need the 11t high cog.

Thanks,
Tim


On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 1:56 PM, Tim Gavin
tim.ga...@littlevillagemag.comwrote:

 Ladies and gents-

 I'm looking for a new freewheel.  7 speed, for use on a Phil hub on my Riv
 Road Standard.

 For touring, I want lower cogs than the 13-28 I have on there now.  The
 Microshift rear derailer (bought from Riv!) will handle a 36t max cog and
 pick up the chain for my 50/40/30 Campy triple just fine.

 So far, I see the following options.  Anyone know of more?  Thanks for
 your advice!

 *Shimano* FW723 Mega Range 14/ 16/ 18/ 20/ 22/ 24/ 34
 $14
 + Cheap!
 - Ugly (zinc finish with huge black mega range 34t cog)

 *Dimension* 13/ 15/ 17/ 21/ 24/ 28/ 32
 $42
 + Shiny nickel plating
 - Not cheap!  3 Shimanos at this price

 *IRD* Defiant 13/ 15/ 17/ 21/ 24/ 28/ 32
 $56
 + Shiny nickel plating
 + USA company.  MUSA freewheel?
 - Not cheap!  4 Shimanos at this price

 Gearing:
 Which is better?  Riding: touring with 220 lb rider and ~30lb of gear.
 14/ 16/ 18/ 20/ 22/ 24/ 34 starts fat, ramps slowly, then massive bailout
 cog.
 13/ 15/ 17/ 21/ 24/ 28/ 32 starts medium, ramps moderately, has two,
 smaller bailout gears (28/32)

 Thanks,
 Tim Gavin
 Cedar Rapids, IA

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Re: [RBW] Re: Riv horse-trading on a Riv-centric site

We've come to the point where Velo Orange is an enemy of Rivendell? That it
is derivative and knockoff? This is simply stupid. I wonder what Grant has
to say about this?

Patrick Sheesh! Moore, who has been supporting Rivendell since 1994 but
who effing won't indulge in thoughtless cheerleading.


On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 12:43 PM, iamkeith keithhar...@gmail.com wrote:

 I agree completely, and might even take it a couple of steps further:

 Don't forget that many of those products that are available elsewhere were
 actually designed BY Rivendell, with a significant outlay of their time
 and/or other resources.   It's not as if they even sell *anything* at
 unreasonably high prices but, even if they did, I think there's an
 obligation to patronize them ESPECIALLY for those products.   It makes me
 uncomfortable to see MKS lambda pedals, Tektro bigmouth brakes, Silver
 shifters, Nitto Mark's Racks, etc., etc. sold on other websites at all -
 but especially for a token discount over Riv Prices.  (And again, they're
 NOT always cheaper!!!)   I'll probably get some flack for this, but the one
 that REALLY bugs me is Velo Orange.   I mean I'm really glad that this
 particular market segment has grown large enough to support a cheaper
 derivative / knock-off company, but that's where it should end.  Not
 everybody can afford the high quality components that Riv insists on
 selling, and it's great that there are options for people who want not-dumb
 bikes, and can't afford top quality.   That's fair.  Even if it
 means buying from China, since that's the other alternative anyway.   But
 selling cheaper knock-off products is one thing, while also undercutting
 Riv by selling actual Riv-designed products, for a tiny bit less money, is
 kind of slimy.


 On Wednesday, January 29, 2014 10:25:03 AM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:

 Branching off comments in another thread - and no doubt generating much
 unpopularity, but I'm a liberal who chats regularly with conservatives on
 politics sites, so I'm ok with it - this topic has been an edgy one for me
 for quite some time. There's much buying/selling that goes on here for Riv
 and Riv-ish things - I do it, too - which is fine: If you have a bag or
 stem lying around you're not using, might as well sell it, right? Right,
 but when it comes to actively searching around for a deal on things
 Rivendell sells, I get a little queasy about this being done on a Riv Forum
 as opposed to Ebay or Craigslist.

 What concerns me is that we've developed a secondary market amongst each
 other for things we can buy new from RBW, and if that market continues to
 flourish at the expense of the folks who originally provided the products,
 we're eventually going to find ourselves wondering what happened to those
 nice folks in Walnut Creek. Of course I'm not saying we have to stop
 selling things we don't need anymore, but I think we should be careful how
 hard we push the 'search' part of this activity on a Riv-specific forum. A
 while back I needed a DirtDrop stem, a headlight, and some reflectors.
 Rivendell sells them. They came expertly packed in a nice little box.

 Joe soapbox Bernard
 Vallejo, CA.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Riv horse-trading on a Riv-centric site

2014-01-29 Thread Doug Van Cleve

Heard and understood.  V-O has brought out some nice stuff (generally
Frenchy style) that was either not widely available or always pricey.  I
have some of their fender stuff and may end up with their threadless
decaleur.

They also seem to carry a lot of stuff that only RBW carried, amoung bike
shops anyway, that I can only assume they carry *because* RBW carries it.
I know GP loves hatchets, but come on, V-O has them too?  Opinel knives?
What really chaps my hide though are the V-O bottle cages that are darn
close to Andrews King Cage knock-offs but are made offshore and yet
*still*cost almost as much as King.

Doug

P.S.  I doubt GP or anybody at RBW thinks unused/unwanted but still good
Nitto stuff (for instance) sitting around is a good thing...


On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 1:01 PM, Patrick Moore bertin...@gmail.com wrote:

 We've come to the point where Velo Orange is an enemy of Rivendell? That
 it is derivative and knockoff? This is simply stupid. I wonder what Grant
 has to say about this?

 Patrick Sheesh! Moore, who has been supporting Rivendell since 1994 but
 who effing won't indulge in thoughtless cheerleading.


 On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 12:43 PM, iamkeith keithhar...@gmail.com wrote:

 I agree completely, and might even take it a couple of steps further:

 Don't forget that many of those products that are available elsewhere
 were actually designed BY Rivendell, with a significant outlay of their
 time and/or other resources.   It's not as if they even sell *anything*at 
 unreasonably high prices but, even if they did, I think there's an
 obligation to patronize them ESPECIALLY for those products.   It makes me
 uncomfortable to see MKS lambda pedals, Tektro bigmouth brakes, Silver
 shifters, Nitto Mark's Racks, etc., etc. sold on other websites at all -
 but especially for a token discount over Riv Prices.  (And again, they're
 NOT always cheaper!!!)   I'll probably get some flack for this, but the one
 that REALLY bugs me is Velo Orange.   I mean I'm really glad that this
 particular market segment has grown large enough to support a cheaper
 derivative / knock-off company, but that's where it should end.  Not
 everybody can afford the high quality components that Riv insists on
 selling, and it's great that there are options for people who want not-dumb
 bikes, and can't afford top quality.   That's fair.  Even if it
 means buying from China, since that's the other alternative anyway.   But
 selling cheaper knock-off products is one thing, while also undercutting
 Riv by selling actual Riv-designed products, for a tiny bit less money, is
 kind of slimy.


 On Wednesday, January 29, 2014 10:25:03 AM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:

 Branching off comments in another thread - and no doubt generating much
 unpopularity, but I'm a liberal who chats regularly with conservatives on
 politics sites, so I'm ok with it - this topic has been an edgy one for me
 for quite some time. There's much buying/selling that goes on here for Riv
 and Riv-ish things - I do it, too - which is fine: If you have a bag or
 stem lying around you're not using, might as well sell it, right? Right,
 but when it comes to actively searching around for a deal on things
 Rivendell sells, I get a little queasy about this being done on a Riv Forum
 as opposed to Ebay or Craigslist.

 What concerns me is that we've developed a secondary market amongst each
 other for things we can buy new from RBW, and if that market continues to
 flourish at the expense of the folks who originally provided the products,
 we're eventually going to find ourselves wondering what happened to those
 nice folks in Walnut Creek. Of course I'm not saying we have to stop
 selling things we don't need anymore, but I think we should be careful how
 hard we push the 'search' part of this activity on a Riv-specific forum. A
 while back I needed a DirtDrop stem, a headlight, and some reflectors.
 Rivendell sells them. They came expertly packed in a nice little box.

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 Vallejo, CA.

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Re: [RBW] ISO: 32t or 34t 7 speed freewheel. Any good options?

Gearing is at least as personal as saddles, but I'd choose the cog combo
that had closer jumps in the cruising range with a bailout. That 17t-21t
jump, at that point in the cogset, looks horrible to me.

Years ago, when I commuted on a gearie, I used either a (crossover)
46/36/26 and a 13-21 7 (with 25 actual 559 bsd wheels, 88 down to 31),
or -- far better! -- a 47/44 halfstep with a bastard 12-32 7, halfstepping
the middle 5 and using the 12 as a big ring, downhill only (actually, more
like a placeholder) and the 32 as a small, uphill only.

   47.0 44.0  12.0 97.9  13.0 90.4 84.6  15.0 78.3 73.3  17.0 69.1 64.7
20.0 58.8 55.0  24.0 49.0 45.8  34.0 32.4
I don't know what you want or need at the top end, but a 50/11 seems pretty
high unless you are racing.

My vote for the cheapo 14-34. My only present road bike with multiple gears
uses a home-brew 14-23 7 with 44/30 rings.


On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 12:56 PM, Tim Gavin
tim.ga...@littlevillagemag.comwrote:

 Ladies and gents-

 I'm looking for a new freewheel.  7 speed, for use on a Phil hub on my Riv
 Road Standard.

 For touring, I want lower cogs than the 13-28 I have on there now.  The
 Microshift rear derailer (bought from Riv!) will handle a 36t max cog and
 pick up the chain for my 50/40/30 Campy triple just fine.

 So far, I see the following options.  Anyone know of more?  Thanks for
 your advice!

 *Shimano* FW723 Mega Range 14/ 16/ 18/ 20/ 22/ 24/ 34
 $14
 + Cheap!
 - Ugly (zinc finish with huge black mega range 34t cog)

 *Dimension* 13/ 15/ 17/ 21/ 24/ 28/ 32
 $42
 + Shiny nickel plating
 - Not cheap!  3 Shimanos at this price

 *IRD* Defiant 13/ 15/ 17/ 21/ 24/ 28/ 32
 $56
 + Shiny nickel plating
 + USA company.  MUSA freewheel?
 - Not cheap!  4 Shimanos at this price

 Gearing:
 Which is better?  Riding: touring with 220 lb rider and ~30lb of gear.
 14/ 16/ 18/ 20/ 22/ 24/ 34 starts fat, ramps slowly, then massive bailout
 cog.
 13/ 15/ 17/ 21/ 24/ 28/ 32 starts medium, ramps moderately, has two,
 smaller bailout gears (28/32)

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 Cedar Rapids, IA

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Re: [RBW] Re: Riv horse-trading on a Riv-centric site

2014-01-29 Thread iamkeith

Well, I did say I'd get some flack...   I believe that much of what the do 
is in fact Riv knock-off.  I did NOT say enemy though. 

On Wednesday, January 29, 2014 1:01:40 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:

 We've come to the point where Velo Orange is an enemy of Rivendell? That 
 it is derivative and knockoff? This is simply stupid. I wonder what Grant 
 has to say about this?

 Patrick Sheesh! Moore, who has been supporting Rivendell since 1994 but 
 who effing won't indulge in thoughtless cheerleading.


 On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 12:43 PM, iamkeith keith...@gmail.comjavascript:
  wrote:

 I agree completely, and might even take it a couple of steps further:

 Don't forget that many of those products that are available elsewhere 
 were actually designed BY Rivendell, with a significant outlay of their 
 time and/or other resources.   It's not as if they even sell *anything*at 
 unreasonably high prices but, even if they did, I think there's an 
 obligation to patronize them ESPECIALLY for those products.   It makes me 
 uncomfortable to see MKS lambda pedals, Tektro bigmouth brakes, Silver 
 shifters, Nitto Mark's Racks, etc., etc. sold on other websites at all - 
 but especially for a token discount over Riv Prices.  (And again, they're 
 NOT always cheaper!!!)   I'll probably get some flack for this, but the one 
 that REALLY bugs me is Velo Orange.   I mean I'm really glad that this 
 particular market segment has grown large enough to support a cheaper 
 derivative / knock-off company, but that's where it should end.  Not 
 everybody can afford the high quality components that Riv insists on 
 selling, and it's great that there are options for people who want not-dumb 
 bikes, and can't afford top quality.   That's fair.  Even if it 
 means buying from China, since that's the other alternative anyway.   But 
 selling cheaper knock-off products is one thing, while also undercutting 
 Riv by selling actual Riv-designed products, for a tiny bit less money, is 
 kind of slimy.   


 On Wednesday, January 29, 2014 10:25:03 AM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:

 Branching off comments in another thread - and no doubt generating much 
 unpopularity, but I'm a liberal who chats regularly with conservatives on 
 politics sites, so I'm ok with it - this topic has been an edgy one for me 
 for quite some time. There's much buying/selling that goes on here for Riv 
 and Riv-ish things - I do it, too - which is fine: If you have a bag or 
 stem lying around you're not using, might as well sell it, right? Right, 
 but when it comes to actively searching around for a deal on things 
 Rivendell sells, I get a little queasy about this being done on a Riv Forum 
 as opposed to Ebay or Craigslist.
  
 What concerns me is that we've developed a secondary market amongst each 
 other for things we can buy new from RBW, and if that market continues to 
 flourish at the expense of the folks who originally provided the products, 
 we're eventually going to find ourselves wondering what happened to those 
 nice folks in Walnut Creek. Of course I'm not saying we have to stop 
 selling things we don't need anymore, but I think we should be careful how 
 hard we push the 'search' part of this activity on a Riv-specific forum. A 
 while back I needed a DirtDrop stem, a headlight, and some reflectors. 
 Rivendell sells them. They came expertly packed in a nice little box. 
  
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 Vallejo, CA.

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Re: [RBW] ISO: 32t or 34t 7 speed freewheel. Any good options?

Sorry, the big cog was a 34, not a 32. SunTour VGT rd.


On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 1:20 PM, Patrick Moore bertin...@gmail.com wrote:

 Gearing is at least as personal as saddles, but I'd choose the cog combo
 that had closer jumps in the cruising range with a bailout. That 17t-21t
 jump, at that point in the cogset, looks horrible to me.

 Years ago, when I commuted on a gearie, I used either a (crossover)
 46/36/26 and a 13-21 7 (with 25 actual 559 bsd wheels, 88 down to 31),
 or -- far better! -- a 47/44 halfstep with a bastard 12-32 7, halfstepping
 the middle 5 and using the 12 as a big ring, downhill only (actually, more
 like a placeholder) and the 32 as a small, uphill only.

47.0 44.0  12.0 97.9  13.0 90.4 84.6  15.0 78.3 73.3  17.0 69.1 64.7
 20.0 58.8 55.0  24.0 49.0 45.8  34.0 32.4
 I don't know what you want or need at the top end, but a 50/11 seems
 pretty high unless you are racing.

 My vote for the cheapo 14-34. My only present road bike with multiple
 gears uses a home-brew 14-23 7 with 44/30 rings.


 On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 12:56 PM, Tim Gavin 
 tim.ga...@littlevillagemag.com wrote:

 Ladies and gents-

 I'm looking for a new freewheel.  7 speed, for use on a Phil hub on my
 Riv Road Standard.

 For touring, I want lower cogs than the 13-28 I have on there now.  The
 Microshift rear derailer (bought from Riv!) will handle a 36t max cog and
 pick up the chain for my 50/40/30 Campy triple just fine.

 So far, I see the following options.  Anyone know of more?  Thanks for
 your advice!

 *Shimano* FW723 Mega Range 14/ 16/ 18/ 20/ 22/ 24/ 34
 $14
 + Cheap!
 - Ugly (zinc finish with huge black mega range 34t cog)

 *Dimension* 13/ 15/ 17/ 21/ 24/ 28/ 32
 $42
 + Shiny nickel plating
 - Not cheap!  3 Shimanos at this price

 *IRD* Defiant 13/ 15/ 17/ 21/ 24/ 28/ 32
 $56
 + Shiny nickel plating
 + USA company.  MUSA freewheel?
 - Not cheap!  4 Shimanos at this price

 Gearing:
 Which is better?  Riding: touring with 220 lb rider and ~30lb of gear.
 14/ 16/ 18/ 20/ 22/ 24/ 34 starts fat, ramps slowly, then massive bailout
 cog.
 13/ 15/ 17/ 21/ 24/ 28/ 32 starts medium, ramps moderately, has two,
 smaller bailout gears (28/32)

 Thanks,
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Re: [RBW] Re: Riv horse-trading on a Riv-centric site

Keith: I was angry at the post but I am not angry at you. Peace to you and
your family.

Patrick who really, REALLY should be working on a LI profile and not
engaging in controversies Moore


On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 1:10 PM, iamkeith keithhar...@gmail.com wrote:

 Well, I did say I'd get some flack...   I believe that much of what the do
 is in fact Riv knock-off.  I did NOT say enemy though.


 On Wednesday, January 29, 2014 1:01:40 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:

 We've come to the point where Velo Orange is an enemy of Rivendell? That
 it is derivative and knockoff? This is simply stupid. I wonder what Grant
 has to say about this?

 Patrick Sheesh! Moore, who has been supporting Rivendell since 1994 but
 who effing won't indulge in thoughtless cheerleading.


 On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 12:43 PM, iamkeith keith...@gmail.com wrote:

 I agree completely, and might even take it a couple of steps further:

 Don't forget that many of those products that are available elsewhere
 were actually designed BY Rivendell, with a significant outlay of their
 time and/or other resources.   It's not as if they even sell *anything*at 
 unreasonably high prices but, even if they did, I think there's an
 obligation to patronize them ESPECIALLY for those products.   It makes me
 uncomfortable to see MKS lambda pedals, Tektro bigmouth brakes, Silver
 shifters, Nitto Mark's Racks, etc., etc. sold on other websites at all -
 but especially for a token discount over Riv Prices.  (And again, they're
 NOT always cheaper!!!)   I'll probably get some flack for this, but the one
 that REALLY bugs me is Velo Orange.   I mean I'm really glad that this
 particular market segment has grown large enough to support a cheaper
 derivative / knock-off company, but that's where it should end.  Not
 everybody can afford the high quality components that Riv insists on
 selling, and it's great that there are options for people who want not-dumb
 bikes, and can't afford top quality.   That's fair.  Even if it
 means buying from China, since that's the other alternative anyway.   But
 selling cheaper knock-off products is one thing, while also undercutting
 Riv by selling actual Riv-designed products, for a tiny bit less money, is
 kind of slimy.


 On Wednesday, January 29, 2014 10:25:03 AM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:

 Branching off comments in another thread - and no doubt generating much
 unpopularity, but I'm a liberal who chats regularly with conservatives on
 politics sites, so I'm ok with it - this topic has been an edgy one for me
 for quite some time. There's much buying/selling that goes on here for Riv
 and Riv-ish things - I do it, too - which is fine: If you have a bag or
 stem lying around you're not using, might as well sell it, right? Right,
 but when it comes to actively searching around for a deal on things
 Rivendell sells, I get a little queasy about this being done on a Riv Forum
 as opposed to Ebay or Craigslist.

 What concerns me is that we've developed a secondary market amongst
 each other for things we can buy new from RBW, and if that market continues
 to flourish at the expense of the folks who originally provided the
 products, we're eventually going to find ourselves wondering what happened
 to those nice folks in Walnut Creek. Of course I'm not saying we have to
 stop selling things we don't need anymore, but I think we should be careful
 how hard we push the 'search' part of this activity on a Riv-specific
 forum. A while back I needed a DirtDrop stem, a headlight, and some
 reflectors. Rivendell sells them. They came expertly packed in a nice
 little box.

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 Vallejo, CA.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Riv horse-trading on a Riv-centric site

2014-01-29 Thread Tim McNamara

Grant has already said good luck and best wishes to VO publicly.  The two 
companies seem to be aimed at slightly different market niches with, 
inevitably, some overlap.

I've looked at the VO site a few times but have never bought anything.  There 
are a couple of small items I would be interested in but it always seems a bit 
silly to place a $10 order and pay as much again in shipping.

I remember hassling VO a bit when they first started out for marketing their 
products on a Riv-related mailing list and they promptly stopped, as they did 
not wish to give offense.  That got my respect even though my irritation and 
grumbling may have been out of line in the first place.  After all, Rivendell 
is a business and they have to compete in the market with whomever enters it- 
if they can't then the business is not sustainable.

Tim

 On Jan 29, 2014, at 2:01 PM, Patrick Moore bertin...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 We've come to the point where Velo Orange is an enemy of Rivendell? That it 
 is derivative and knockoff? This is simply stupid. I wonder what Grant has to 
 say about this?
 
 Patrick Sheesh! Moore, who has been supporting Rivendell since 1994 but who 
 effing won't indulge in thoughtless cheerleading.
 
 
 On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 12:43 PM, iamkeith keithhar...@gmail.com wrote:
 I agree completely, and might even take it a couple of steps further:
 
 Don't forget that many of those products that are available elsewhere were 
 actually designed BY Rivendell, with a significant outlay of their time 
 and/or other resources.   It's not as if they even sell anything at 
 unreasonably high prices but, even if they did, I think there's an 
 obligation to patronize them ESPECIALLY for those products.   It makes me 
 uncomfortable to see MKS lambda pedals, Tektro bigmouth brakes, Silver 
 shifters, Nitto Mark's Racks, etc., etc. sold on other websites at all - but 
 especially for a token discount over Riv Prices.  (And again, they're NOT 
 always cheaper!!!)   I'll probably get some flack for this, but the one that 
 REALLY bugs me is Velo Orange.   I mean I'm really glad that this particular 
 market segment has grown large enough to support a cheaper derivative / 
 knock-off company, but that's where it should end.  Not everybody can afford 
 the high quality components that Riv insists on selling, and it's great that 
 there are options for people who want not-dumb bikes, and can't afford top 
 quality.   That's fair.  Even if it means buying from China, since that's 
 the other alternative anyway.   But selling cheaper knock-off products is 
 one thing, while also undercutting Riv by selling actual Riv-designed 
 products, for a tiny bit less money, is kind of slimy.   
 
 
 On Wednesday, January 29, 2014 10:25:03 AM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
 Branching off comments in another thread - and no doubt generating much 
 unpopularity, but I'm a liberal who chats regularly with conservatives on 
 politics sites, so I'm ok with it - this topic has been an edgy one for me 
 for quite some time. There's much buying/selling that goes on here for Riv 
 and Riv-ish things - I do it, too - which is fine: If you have a bag or 
 stem lying around you're not using, might as well sell it, right? Right, 
 but when it comes to actively searching around for a deal on things 
 Rivendell sells, I get a little queasy about this being done on a Riv Forum 
 as opposed to Ebay or Craigslist.
  
 What concerns me is that we've developed a secondary market amongst each 
 other for things we can buy new from RBW, and if that market continues to 
 flourish at the expense of the folks who originally provided the products, 
 we're eventually going to find ourselves wondering what happened to those 
 nice folks in Walnut Creek. Of course I'm not saying we have to stop 
 selling things we don't need anymore, but I think we should be careful how 
 hard we push the 'search' part of this activity on a Riv-specific forum. A 
 while back I needed a DirtDrop stem, a headlight, and some reflectors. 
 Rivendell sells them. They came expertly packed in a nice little box.
  
 Joe soapbox Bernard
 Vallejo, CA.
 
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[RBW] Re: ISO: 32t or 34t 7 speed freewheel. Any good options?

$14 for a freewheel sounds scary cheap to me.  Maybe I'm a snob, but I 
would not expect much performance or life out of a $15 freewheel.  The 
others three are 'cheap' in my book. Good freewheels were $30 to $40 in the 
late 1980s.  That's like...umI don't know...a lot more than $40 in 
2014.  

On Wednesday, January 29, 2014 11:56:56 AM UTC-8, Tim Gavin wrote:

 Ladies and gents-

 I'm looking for a new freewheel.  7 speed, for use on a Phil hub on my Riv 
 Road Standard.

 For touring, I want lower cogs than the 13-28 I have on there now.  The 
 Microshift rear derailer (bought from Riv!) will handle a 36t max cog and 
 pick up the chain for my 50/40/30 Campy triple just fine.

 So far, I see the following options.  Anyone know of more?  Thanks for 
 your advice!

 *Shimano* FW723 Mega Range 14/ 16/ 18/ 20/ 22/ 24/ 34
 $14
 + Cheap!
 - Ugly (zinc finish with huge black mega range 34t cog)

 *Dimension* 13/ 15/ 17/ 21/ 24/ 28/ 32
 $42
 + Shiny nickel plating
 - Not cheap!  3 Shimanos at this price

 *IRD* Defiant 13/ 15/ 17/ 21/ 24/ 28/ 32
 $56
 + Shiny nickel plating
 + USA company.  MUSA freewheel?
 - Not cheap!  4 Shimanos at this price

 Gearing:  
 Which is better?  Riding: touring with 220 lb rider and ~30lb of gear.
 14/ 16/ 18/ 20/ 22/ 24/ 34 starts fat, ramps slowly, then massive bailout 
 cog.  
 13/ 15/ 17/ 21/ 24/ 28/ 32 starts medium, ramps moderately, has two, 
 smaller bailout gears (28/32)

 Thanks,
 Tim Gavin
 Cedar Rapids, IA


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[RBW] From Sadness to Happiness - I'm Riding Again!

2014-01-29 Thread true

That is good news indeed.

Safe pedaling,

Paul in Dallas

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[RBW] Re: WTB: Front lowrider rack

2014-01-29 Thread Christopher Mungioli


I have one of these sitting in the closet I would be willing to part with.  
The big square attatchments for the bags can be removed easily while 
leaving the main rack on the bike when you aren't using the panniers.  Same 
great nitto quality as all the other riv racks.   

Let me know if your interested. 



On Wednesday, January 29, 2014 6:44:59 AM UTC+9, Tim Gavin wrote:

 Somewhat similar to the discussion of using the Sam Hillborne as a tourer, 
 I'd like to try out some heavier-loaded touring on my Riv Road.  

 I picked up some nice, used panniers but I'd like to try them in a 
 front-lowrider mount.  Does anyone have a pannier-compatible front rack 
 they could part with?  I prefer steel, I prefer silver finish (but black is 
 acceptable).

 Similar to the Tubus Tara
 ,

 or the Nitto Big Front 34F. 


 I plan to mount it with clamps, either P-clamps or the Tubus mid-blade 
 adapter clamps.  

 My Road Standard has thicker gauge 531 fork blades, so these clamps should 
 work fine so long as they're well padded.  Currently, I have the M1 Mark's 
 Rack mounted with padded P-clamps, and it works well.

 Thanks,
 Tim Gavin
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Re: [RBW] Re: Riv horse-trading on a Riv-centric site

2014-01-29 Thread Daniel D.


I believe V-O carried those first :p
On Wednesday, January 29, 2014 12:09:02 PM UTC-8, Doug Van Cleve wrote:

  Opinel knives? 





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Re: [RBW] Re: Riv horse-trading on a Riv-centric site

2014-01-29 Thread Rocky B

Ya, when I saw VO starting to sell knives and hatchets too...i said 
really?  come on. 

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Re: [RBW] ISO: 32t or 34t 7 speed freewheel. Any good options?

2014-01-29 Thread Eric Norris

I've had good luck with IRD freewheels, but it seems to me that they are 
somewhat cheaper than $56 apiece.

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Twitter: @CampyOnlyGuy

 On Jan 29, 2014, at 11:56 AM, Tim Gavin tim.ga...@littlevillagemag.com 
 wrote:
 
 Ladies and gents-
 
 I'm looking for a new freewheel.  7 speed, for use on a Phil hub on my Riv 
 Road Standard.
 
 For touring, I want lower cogs than the 13-28 I have on there now.  The 
 Microshift rear derailer (bought from Riv!) will handle a 36t max cog and 
 pick up the chain for my 50/40/30 Campy triple just fine.
 
 So far, I see the following options.  Anyone know of more?  Thanks for your 
 advice!
 
 Shimano FW723 Mega Range 14/ 16/ 18/ 20/ 22/ 24/ 34
 $14
 + Cheap!
 - Ugly (zinc finish with huge black mega range 34t cog)
 
 Dimension 13/ 15/ 17/ 21/ 24/ 28/ 32
 $42
 + Shiny nickel plating
 - Not cheap!  3 Shimanos at this price
 
 IRD Defiant 13/ 15/ 17/ 21/ 24/ 28/ 32
 $56
 + Shiny nickel plating
 + USA company.  MUSA freewheel?
 - Not cheap!  4 Shimanos at this price
 
 Gearing:  
 Which is better?  Riding: touring with 220 lb rider and ~30lb of gear.
 14/ 16/ 18/ 20/ 22/ 24/ 34 starts fat, ramps slowly, then massive bailout 
 cog.  
 13/ 15/ 17/ 21/ 24/ 28/ 32 starts medium, ramps moderately, has two, smaller 
 bailout gears (28/32)
 
 Thanks,
 Tim Gavin
 Cedar Rapids, IA
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[RBW] Re: SAN FRANCISCO Sunrise Coffee Club, Tuesday 1/28 7am @ Wave Organ

2014-01-29 Thread Coconutbill



 Jason, cool idea! I  wonder if there is a way to do audio snapshots, to go 
 along.

What a great coffee brewing location!

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Re: [RBW] FS: 68 CM Quickbeam. 1500.00

2014-01-29 Thread Jim Bronson

Wow...my size and everything.  What a deal.

Ah for the love of fifteen hundred dollars.

Think I'll go in the bathroom and cry now...
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 http://www.flickr.com/photos/tksleeper/sets/72157633031703828/

 Including extra set of wheels, bag.. Dyno and lights.

 Will have it boxed.. But you will pay freight .. Ups or fedx. Pickup is
 good too.

 Great shape, good riding bike.

 Contact me offline.. Phone even better since I'm not in front fx computer
 much anymore.  I was retired from Hp and now starting a couple of new
 businesses... Hate my boss.. Doesn't let me ride as much :)

 This is one hell of a deal if I do say so myself.

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[RBW] Re: Riv horse-trading on a Riv-centric site

2014-01-29 Thread Cyclofiend Jim

Please let's back off the V-O comments.  Grant has addressed this more than 
a few times.  There's no there there in that discussion.  

It's hard to fault someone who has a decent piece of gear that they will no 
longer use, or something they tried out (handlebars, of late, come to mind 
here) that didn't quite work for them. If they want to post it here on the 
list, particularly if they are regular and active member of this group, I 
have to think that their actions come from the right place.

And I do think that works from the purchasing end as well.  We can't know 
someone's financial position, and at times in life, the money saved or 
earned might have go directly to rent or food or care. 

I suspect those transactions, though during the winter season they seem to 
particularly flourish, are still a small eddy compared the flow of goods 
from Walnut Creek.  It seems that for a great number of people here - with 
significant geographic spread -  RBW and RBBH are their local bike shops. 

There are more WTB posts and FS posts which don't hit the list.  Those are 
typically from folks who try to post once and never do so again.  Don't 
know quite how to correlate those, but assume they are trying to find 
bargain bits for their ebay stores. 

Having run a retail store for many years, I can attest that there is little 
more maddening than working with a customer (or watching your staff help 
someone) who was only using our shop inventory as a showroom for whatever 
internet company they were planning on buying something through.  And it is 
through that lens that I first view folks posting here that so-and-so has 
something Riv designed/sells at a hefty discount.  Though I do know people 
who will buy from someone who is literally a dollar cheaper, that's not the 
way I'm wired. As GP has written, I try to buy from the place I saw 
something first.  In 1994, there weren't a lot of resources around like 
Rivendell, so it seems appropriate to support them when I can.  

- Jim / cyclofiend.com

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[RBW] Re: Riv horse-trading on a Riv-centric site

2014-01-29 Thread Michael

 
 
Why don't we vote, giving the ultimate decision to the site moderator, as 
to whether we want to stop buying/selling/trading on this site.
 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Riv horse-trading on a Riv-centric site

2014-01-29 Thread Peter Morgano

I vote that votes to take away people's  privileges are inherently bad.
On Jan 29, 2014 4:25 PM, Michael john11.2...@gmail.com wrote:



 Why don't we vote, giving the ultimate decision to the site moderator, as
 to whether we want to stop buying/selling/trading on this site.


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Re: [RBW] Re: Riv horse-trading on a Riv-centric site


On 01/29/2014 04:28 PM, Peter Morgano wrote:


I vote that votes to take away people's  privileges are inherently bad.

On Jan 29, 2014 4:25 PM, Michael john11.2...@gmail.com 
mailto:john11.2...@gmail.com wrote:


Why don't we vote, giving the ultimate decision to the site
moderator, as to whether we want to stop buying/selling/trading on
this site.




If that's what's decided, y'all come on over to the iBOB list, where 
that sort of trading is an every day event.



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[RBW] Re: Riv horse-trading on a Riv-centric site

2014-01-29 Thread Liesl

Back to Joe's original post...I have two, well actually three but the third 
one you already know, stories to tell.  
  
First story:  After my big Riv Chica Warrior Caper when I rode down the 
bike thief (for newcomers to the list, search the archives), the whole Riv 
team sent me a card that everyone signed and a gift certificate for $100 
with the invoice description, Award for Bravery.  It brought tears to my 
eyes, I was so touched.

Second Story: Back in August of 2012 when the Thin Gripsters pedals very 
first came out, I posted a query (the first on the listserv) as to whether 
anyone had experience with them because I thought they sounded great.  My 
life got busy and came back to the listserv and found 1) lots of good 
reports on the pedal, and 2) all the places one could purchase them for 
less then Riv was charging.  For so many many many reasons, I choose to 
give my business to Riv.  I went on the Riv site and dang it if they 
weren't all sold out of Thin Gripsters!  You snooze you lose!  And so I 
contacted Miesha and asked if they were going to get more Thin Gripsters 
in; that I wanted to give Riv the business.  Yes, came the answer; more 
were coming in.  And so I waited until they were in stock and ordered 
them.  A mysterious gift certificate showed up on my account for exactly 
the same amount as the pedals.  I noted in my order that I wasn't aware of 
this gift certificate; perhaps it was a mistake.  Then the pedals arrived 
(and I do love them) with an invoice that again posted the mysterious gift 
certificate.  I emailed Miesha, saying I think I need to say thank you to 
someone for the beautiful thin gripster pedals, because they were paid for 
with an unknown-to-me gift certificate.  Perhaps it's a mistake, perhaps 
it's because someone saw on the listserv that I crashed in gravel and got 9 
stitches...I don't know.  If it's a mistake, let me know; if not, thanks to 
whoever made it happen!  In any case, the pedals are wonderful and I love 
them.  Miesha wrote back saying that she was glad my stitches had healed 
and to be careful out there.  No mention of the gift certificate.  It 
remains a mystery.  My theory?  Someone at Riv (Miesha is a likely suspect) 
noticed that I waited to buy the pedals from them (unless one of you said, 
Oh Liesl!  She needs something from Riv!  I'll buy her a gift 
certificate!) and issues the gift certificate.  Just a theory.

Third story:  I won the custom raffle.

And there are even more stories.

My point here is that if Riv has done all this for me (and I don't even 
deserve any of it), then I know that I'm not the only one.  To support a 
company like Riv who does the things they do, makes the things they make, 
and has the business ethics and generosity they have, I am happy to pay 
their reasonable prices.  It would be not honorable for me to try to save a 
few dollars.  And this doesn't even take into account the point Patrick 
Deacon made on this thread.  I am not indulging in effing thoughtless 
cheerleading (and I know, Patrick M, you love Riv); I am engaging in 
thoughtful, mindful, very present and real loyalty to a company that has 
earned it many many many times over.

Signed,
Riv Chica Warrior, MD, and wannabe Riv Poster Girl

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[RBW] Re: Riv horse-trading on a Riv-centric site

Not everybody can afford the high quality components that Riv insists on 
selling, and it's great that there are options for people who want not-dumb 
bikes, and can't afford top quality.

iamkeith, I agree wholeheartedly with this, though I take issue with most 
everything else you said. As for the bits Rivendell designed but do not 
own, they did that windingly to get the produced in the first place, 
knowing what has happened would happen.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Wednesday, January 29, 2014 12:43:20 PM UTC-7, iamkeith wrote:

 I agree completely, and might even take it a couple of steps further:

 Don't forget that many of those products that are available elsewhere were 
 actually designed BY Rivendell, with a significant outlay of their time 
 and/or other resources.   It's not as if they even sell *anything* at 
 unreasonably high prices but, even if they did, I think there's an 
 obligation to patronize them ESPECIALLY for those products.   It makes me 
 uncomfortable to see MKS lambda pedals, Tektro bigmouth brakes, Silver 
 shifters, Nitto Mark's Racks, etc., etc. sold on other websites at all - 
 but especially for a token discount over Riv Prices.  (And again, they're 
 NOT always cheaper!!!)   I'll probably get some flack for this, but the one 
 that REALLY bugs me is Velo Orange.   I mean I'm really glad that this 
 particular market segment has grown large enough to support a cheaper 
 derivative / knock-off company, but that's where it should end.  Not 
 everybody can afford the high quality components that Riv insists on 
 selling, and it's great that there are options for people who want not-dumb 
 bikes, and can't afford top quality.   That's fair.  Even if it 
 means buying from China, since that's the other alternative anyway.   But 
 selling cheaper knock-off products is one thing, while also undercutting 
 Riv by selling actual Riv-designed products, for a tiny bit less money, is 
 kind of slimy.   


 On Wednesday, January 29, 2014 10:25:03 AM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:

 Branching off comments in another thread - and no doubt generating much 
 unpopularity, but I'm a liberal who chats regularly with conservatives on 
 politics sites, so I'm ok with it - this topic has been an edgy one for me 
 for quite some time. There's much buying/selling that goes on here for Riv 
 and Riv-ish things - I do it, too - which is fine: If you have a bag or 
 stem lying around you're not using, might as well sell it, right? Right, 
 but when it comes to actively searching around for a deal on things 
 Rivendell sells, I get a little queasy about this being done on a Riv Forum 
 as opposed to Ebay or Craigslist.
  
 What concerns me is that we've developed a secondary market amongst each 
 other for things we can buy new from RBW, and if that market continues to 
 flourish at the expense of the folks who originally provided the products, 
 we're eventually going to find ourselves wondering what happened to those 
 nice folks in Walnut Creek. Of course I'm not saying we have to stop 
 selling things we don't need anymore, but I think we should be careful how 
 hard we push the 'search' part of this activity on a Riv-specific forum. A 
 while back I needed a DirtDrop stem, a headlight, and some reflectors. 
 Rivendell sells them. They came expertly packed in a nice little box. 
  
 Joe soapbox Bernard
 Vallejo, CA.



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[RBW] From Sadness to Happiness - I'm Riding Again!

2014-01-29 Thread PeterG

Cecily,
So glad to hear your biking future is looking better. Fingers are all crossed 
for you..,PeterG

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Re: [RBW] Re: Riv horse-trading on a Riv-centric site


On 01/29/2014 04:45 PM, Deacon Patrick wrote:
Not everybody can afford the high quality components that Riv insists 
on selling, and it's great that there are options for people who want 
not-dumb bikes, and can't afford top quality.


iamkeith, I agree wholeheartedly with this, though I take issue with 
most everything else you said. As for the bits Rivendell designed but 
do not own, they did that windingly to get the produced in the first 
place, knowing what has happened would happen.




Time for some head-scratching.  Seems to me most of the components Riv 
sells fall into the high quality - reasonable cost camp, not the top 
quality camp.  Case in point: other than bar end shifters, how much 
Dura Ace do you find in the Riv catalog?  Not much that I recall.  (And 
note, it's bar end shifters, not electronic shifters you find.)  Mostly 
it's 105 or Ultegra level.  While it's quality is just fine, would you 
consider the typical-for-a-Riv-build Sugino XD-2 a top quality crank?  
Fact is, the highest end cranks go for five to ten times what the XD-2 
sells for.  So, just what are these high end components that are being 
complained about?


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[RBW] Re: From Sadness to Happiness - I'm Riding Again!

2014-01-29 Thread Ryan

Awesome...glad to hear it. I bet Betty Boop is happy, too
On Tuesday, January 28, 2014 9:26:23 PM UTC-6, Cecily Walker wrote: 

 Thanks to the miracles of modern science and physiotherapy, I'm back 
 riding my bike a lot sooner than expected!  I'll still need a knee 
 replacement eventually, but I was referred to a sports medicine physician 
 who has been giving me injections of Synvisc - a synthetic synovial fluid - 
 in my arthritic right knee. I still have one more injection to go, but 
 after that, the knee should be good for another 9-12 months! This stuff 
 isn't cheap, and it isn't covered by my extended medical insurance, but 
 it's a small price to pay for freedom from pain and greatly increased 
 mobility. 

 I just wanted to share my good news since so many of you were so lovely 
 and expressed such great concern when I was convinced I'd have to stop 
 riding until I had surgery. Love you guys and gals. 

 Cecily (the happy biking librarian)


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[RBW] Re: Riv horse-trading on a Riv-centric site

2014-01-29 Thread Joe Bernard

I hope it is apparent that my post was focused on WTB, and only for 
products Riv currently sells. As I said, if you already own/used the 
product and want to sell it, more power to you *and* the buyer; I've bought 
and sold many Rivvy things this way. In case that wasn't clear..
 
Joe let me be clear, I WTB those Candybar Bags Riv used to make Bernard
Vallejo, CA

On Wednesday, January 29, 2014 1:20:28 PM UTC-8, Cyclofiend Jim wrote:

 Please let's back off the V-O comments.  Grant has addressed this more 
 than a few times.  There's no there there in that discussion.  

 It's hard to fault someone who has a decent piece of gear that they will 
 no longer use, or something they tried out (handlebars, of late, come to 
 mind here) that didn't quite work for them. If they want to post it here on 
 the list, particularly if they are regular and active member of this group, 
 I have to think that their actions come from the right place.

 And I do think that works from the purchasing end as well.  We can't know 
 someone's financial position, and at times in life, the money saved or 
 earned might have go directly to rent or food or care. 

 I suspect those transactions, though during the winter season they seem to 
 particularly flourish, are still a small eddy compared the flow of goods 
 from Walnut Creek.  It seems that for a great number of people here - with 
 significant geographic spread -  RBW and RBBH are their local bike shops. 

 There are more WTB posts and FS posts which don't hit the list.  Those are 
 typically from folks who try to post once and never do so again.  Don't 
 know quite how to correlate those, but assume they are trying to find 
 bargain bits for their ebay stores. 

 Having run a retail store for many years, I can attest that there is 
 little more maddening than working with a customer (or watching your staff 
 help someone) who was only using our shop inventory as a showroom for 
 whatever internet company they were planning on buying something through.  
 And it is through that lens that I first view folks posting here that 
 so-and-so has something Riv designed/sells at a hefty discount.  Though I 
 do know people who will buy from someone who is literally a dollar cheaper, 
 that's not the way I'm wired. As GP has written, I try to buy from the 
 place I saw something first.  In 1994, there weren't a lot of resources 
 around like Rivendell, so it seems appropriate to support them when I can.  

 - Jim / cyclofiend.com


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[RBW] Re: ISO: 32t or 34t 7 speed freewheel. Any good options?

2014-01-29 Thread Jon Doyle

I'd get the Shimano Mega Range 14-34. Scandalously cheap yes, but it's from 
a reliable brand, and will provide a useful set of ratios for touring. If 
it's junk then you're only out a few bucks. Online reviews seem to favor 
it. I'd avoid the SunRace and IRD, they sound overpriced based on reviews.

Jon
Watertown, MA

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Re: [RBW] Re: Riv horse-trading on a Riv-centric site

2014-01-29 Thread Bruce Herbitter


Liesl:

 You might have just that fetching look in a new striped wool top they 
have! (I ordered one after getting the RBW email) and will report on it 
after trying it on. yes, RBW clothes cost more than some other places, 
but they've been good on the whole. Wore the 2d generation seersucker 
riding shirt to work today in fact.


Tailwinds

Bruce


wannabe Riv Poster Girl

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[RBW] Re: ISO: 32t or 34t 7 speed freewheel. Any good options?

2014-01-29 Thread Garth

I'd just use the Shimano 14-34 myself :) 
OR
Make your own combination using the Shimano 14-34 and the 13-28.  Here's 
how ... 
http://blog.harriscyclery.com/customizing-shimano-7-speed-freewheels/

You should be able to make a 14 16 18 21 24 28 34  FW using the 14-34 
body.  With your 50t big ring a 14t small cog is fine .  I find spacing 
like this ideal. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: ISO: 32t or 34t 7 speed freewheel. Any good options?

2014-01-29 Thread Tim Gavin

Garth-

Great idea on combining the two; that gearing would be better.  I'll have
to see if my bike co-op has one of those nifty pliers.

I'd read that article a long time ago, but by accident--I was looking for
the make your own custom cassette article.

I did that on my gofast bike.  I had to, because it has an Ultraglide
freehub body.  I bought an 11-28, ditched the 11t and 12t rings, and used
the 12t and 13t rings from the old cassette.  I should keep my eye out for
more 12t UG lockrings...

Tim

On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 4:13 PM, Garth garth...@gmail.com wrote:

 I'd just use the Shimano 14-34 myself :)
 OR
 Make your own combination using the Shimano 14-34 and the 13-28.  Here's
 how ...
 http://blog.harriscyclery.com/customizing-shimano-7-speed-freewheels/

 You should be able to make a 14 16 18 21 24 28 34  FW using the 14-34
 body.  With your 50t big ring a 14t small cog is fine .  I find spacing
 like this ideal.


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[RBW] Re: From Sadness to Happiness - I'm Riding Again!

Betty Foy on a populaire is such a nice thought.  

On Tuesday, January 28, 2014 7:26:23 PM UTC-8, Cecily Walker wrote:

 Thanks to the miracles of modern science and physiotherapy, I'm back 
 riding my bike a lot sooner than expected!  I'll still need a knee 
 replacement eventually, but I was referred to a sports medicine physician 
 who has been giving me injections of Synvisc - a synthetic synovial fluid - 
 in my arthritic right knee. I still have one more injection to go, but 
 after that, the knee should be good for another 9-12 months! This stuff 
 isn't cheap, and it isn't covered by my extended medical insurance, but 
 it's a small price to pay for freedom from pain and greatly increased 
 mobility.

 I just wanted to share my good news since so many of you were so lovely 
 and expressed such great concern when I was convinced I'd have to stop 
 riding until I had surgery. Love you guys and gals. 

 Cecily (the happy biking librarian)


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[RBW] Re: ISO: 32t or 34t 7 speed freewheel. Any good options?

2014-01-29 Thread RoadieRyan

I agree with Patrick, I like a more graduated gearing rather than 10 tooth 
jump the mega range offers.  I have used IRDs and like them and yes you 
will pay more but you might not have as many moments of regret from 
failed shifts or dropped chains when using the mega range.  I find if you 
shop around you can usually find a decent deal on the IRD's- under $50  Yes 
it will still be 3x expensive as the Shimano mega range but you get what 
you pay for.

Ryan Even range Surface

On Wednesday, January 29, 2014 11:56:56 AM UTC-8, Tim Gavin wrote:

 Ladies and gents-

 I'm looking for a new freewheel.  7 speed, for use on a Phil hub on my Riv 
 Road Standard.

 For touring, I want lower cogs than the 13-28 I have on there now.  The 
 Microshift rear derailer (bought from Riv!) will handle a 36t max cog and 
 pick up the chain for my 50/40/30 Campy triple just fine.

 So far, I see the following options.  Anyone know of more?  Thanks for 
 your advice!

 *Shimano* FW723 Mega Range 14/ 16/ 18/ 20/ 22/ 24/ 34
 $14
 + Cheap!
 - Ugly (zinc finish with huge black mega range 34t cog)

 *Dimension* 13/ 15/ 17/ 21/ 24/ 28/ 32
 $42
 + Shiny nickel plating
 - Not cheap!  3 Shimanos at this price

 *IRD* Defiant 13/ 15/ 17/ 21/ 24/ 28/ 32
 $56
 + Shiny nickel plating
 + USA company.  MUSA freewheel?
 - Not cheap!  4 Shimanos at this price

 Gearing:  
 Which is better?  Riding: touring with 220 lb rider and ~30lb of gear.
 14/ 16/ 18/ 20/ 22/ 24/ 34 starts fat, ramps slowly, then massive bailout 
 cog.  
 13/ 15/ 17/ 21/ 24/ 28/ 32 starts medium, ramps moderately, has two, 
 smaller bailout gears (28/32)

 Thanks,
 Tim Gavin
 Cedar Rapids, IA


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[RBW] Re: Riv horse-trading on a Riv-centric site

2014-01-29 Thread hsmitham

Jim,

Thank you for being the voice of moderation/reason. Peter M. Yes and a 
vigorous yes.

I will continue to use WTB transactions within my sense of reason. 
Rivendell's sucess or failure will not be determined by WTB transaction 
on this list-serve by posters like me. I usually  buy directly from Riv but 
at times I'll first look for something used. If you don't like that then 
don't respond to my query. If you don't like the WTB transaction it's 
easy don't use that feature...if your a bottom feeder than hopefully Jim 
catches you in his net and throws you back into the bay Yet another thing 
that Jim does that I was unaware of.

I wanted to not add to the Vitriol but what the heck it went sideways 
anyways.

~Hugh WTB whatever Smitham

On Wednesday, January 29, 2014 1:20:28 PM UTC-8, Cyclofiend Jim wrote:

 Please let's back off the V-O comments.  Grant has addressed this more 
 than a few times.  There's no there there in that discussion.  

 It's hard to fault someone who has a decent piece of gear that they will 
 no longer use, or something they tried out (handlebars, of late, come to 
 mind here) that didn't quite work for them. If they want to post it here on 
 the list, particularly if they are regular and active member of this group, 
 I have to think that their actions come from the right place.

 And I do think that works from the purchasing end as well.  We can't know 
 someone's financial position, and at times in life, the money saved or 
 earned might have go directly to rent or food or care. 

 I suspect those transactions, though during the winter season they seem to 
 particularly flourish, are still a small eddy compared the flow of goods 
 from Walnut Creek.  It seems that for a great number of people here - with 
 significant geographic spread -  RBW and RBBH are their local bike shops. 

 There are more WTB posts and FS posts which don't hit the list.  Those are 
 typically from folks who try to post once and never do so again.  Don't 
 know quite how to correlate those, but assume they are trying to find 
 bargain bits for their ebay stores. 

 Having run a retail store for many years, I can attest that there is 
 little more maddening than working with a customer (or watching your staff 
 help someone) who was only using our shop inventory as a showroom for 
 whatever internet company they were planning on buying something through.  
 And it is through that lens that I first view folks posting here that 
 so-and-so has something Riv designed/sells at a hefty discount.  Though I 
 do know people who will buy from someone who is literally a dollar cheaper, 
 that's not the way I'm wired. As GP has written, I try to buy from the 
 place I saw something first.  In 1994, there weren't a lot of resources 
 around like Rivendell, so it seems appropriate to support them when I can.  

 - Jim / cyclofiend.com


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[RBW] Re: Riv horse-trading on a Riv-centric site

2014-01-29 Thread cyclotour...@gmail.com

Used bikes and parts are pretty much the only kind I consider buying. And I 
believe I have probably sold as much or more here than I've purchased. I 
appreciate your concern for RBW, but don't believe we should arbitrarily 
limit the second hand market.


On Wednesday, January 29, 2014 9:25:03 AM UTC-8, Joe Bernard wrote:

 Branching off comments in another thread - and no doubt generating much 
 unpopularity, but I'm a liberal who chats regularly with conservatives on 
 politics sites, so I'm ok with it - this topic has been an edgy one for me 
 for quite some time. There's much buying/selling that goes on here for Riv 
 and Riv-ish things - I do it, too - which is fine: If you have a bag or 
 stem lying around you're not using, might as well sell it, right? Right, 
 but when it comes to actively searching around for a deal on things 
 Rivendell sells, I get a little queasy about this being done on a Riv Forum 
 as opposed to Ebay or Craigslist.
  
 What concerns me is that we've developed a secondary market amongst each 
 other for things we can buy new from RBW, and if that market continues to 
 flourish at the expense of the folks who originally provided the products, 
 we're eventually going to find ourselves wondering what happened to those 
 nice folks in Walnut Creek. Of course I'm not saying we have to stop 
 selling things we don't need anymore, but I think we should be careful how 
 hard we push the 'search' part of this activity on a Riv-specific forum. A 
 while back I needed a DirtDrop stem, a headlight, and some reflectors. 
 Rivendell sells them. They came expertly packed in a nice little box. 
  
 Joe soapbox Bernard
 Vallejo, CA.


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[RBW] Re: Riv horse-trading on a Riv-centric site

I've always found that Rivendell has better prices on most things than can 
be found elsewhere - Crane bell for $12 - what a deal.  I keep an active 
Rivendell wish list and place several orders every year.  When I find 
better prices, or I want something that Rivendell doesn't carry, then I 
purchase elsewhere.  I honestly don't think it hurts Grant and Rivendell 
employees.  I don't think they want to be a mass parts discount house.  I 
also think the information about how we vote with our money is valuable to 
Grant - he sees where our interests lie. Rivendell inventory is based 
around what they need to assemble and outfit new bikes.   Let's see, what I 
have sold here.  A matched set of gray Sackville bags which were out of 
production - the buyer posted the query - and a couple of 7-speed 
freewheels.  Rivendell bags are a perfect example of the smart way Grant 
runs inventory - everything is a limited edition and it sells out - no 
waste and fairly quick turnaround on cash flow.  Getting the word out on 
promotional codes?  I think the purpose of promotions is to make us choose 
to buy something sooner rather than later, so that's a good thing, too.  

On Wednesday, January 29, 2014 11:25:03 AM UTC-6, Joe Bernard wrote:

 Branching off comments in another thread - and no doubt generating much 
 unpopularity, but I'm a liberal who chats regularly with conservatives on 
 politics sites, so I'm ok with it - this topic has been an edgy one for me 
 for quite some time. There's much buying/selling that goes on here for Riv 
 and Riv-ish things - I do it, too - which is fine: If you have a bag or 
 stem lying around you're not using, might as well sell it, right? Right, 
 but when it comes to actively searching around for a deal on things 
 Rivendell sells, I get a little queasy about this being done on a Riv Forum 
 as opposed to Ebay or Craigslist.
  
 What concerns me is that we've developed a secondary market amongst each 
 other for things we can buy new from RBW, and if that market continues to 
 flourish at the expense of the folks who originally provided the products, 
 we're eventually going to find ourselves wondering what happened to those 
 nice folks in Walnut Creek. Of course I'm not saying we have to stop 
 selling things we don't need anymore, but I think we should be careful how 
 hard we push the 'search' part of this activity on a Riv-specific forum. A 
 while back I needed a DirtDrop stem, a headlight, and some reflectors. 
 Rivendell sells them. They came expertly packed in a nice little box. 
  
 Joe soapbox Bernard
 Vallejo, CA.


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[RBW] Re: Riv horse-trading on a Riv-centric site

2014-01-29 Thread Liesl

Ron, I agree with what you wrote:  Let's see, what I have sold here.  A 
matched set of gray Sackville bags which were out of production - the buyer 
posted the query - and a couple of 7-speed freewheels.  That kind of 
trading as others have noted, is a good thing; one in which I have 
participated.  

and also, Rivendell bags are a perfect example of the smart way Grant runs 
inventory - everything is a limited edition and it sells out - no waste and 
fairly quick turnaround on cash flow. yep and related to buying/trading 
things here.

Bruce:  thanks for thinking of me as fetching!  

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[RBW] Riv horse-trading on a Riv-centric site

2014-01-29 Thread PeterG

Having spent thousands at Rivendell and hundreds on used equipment here, I see 
no harm in buying/selling used pieces on this site. When funds are slim and I 
need something, I come here because the people on this site are knowledgeable 
and you usually get exactly what Is promised (not so much on eBay or 
Craigslist). This site works great and is enjoyed by thousands. Why fix what 
ain't broke? I believe most people on here spend what they can at Rivendell. 
Everyone likes the new car smell, but we can't always afford the shiny new 
stuff. Many times its impossible to find Riv. Stuff used anywhere but on this 
site.I get the whole buy Rivendell to keep them going thing...and I do that 
whenever I can, but I still don't see any abuse of wtb on this site...just my 2 
cents...PeterG

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[RBW] Re: ISO: 32t or 34t 7 speed freewheel. Any good options?

Tim, I just went through the exercise with a new Phil wheelset and bought
an excellent Suntour Winner on ebay, 12-32. Paid $65 and am delighted

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v728/bulldog1935/Raleigh/700c/aP1170019.jpg

What I found is that IRD Defiant freewheels are not in stock anywhere.
There are a few remaining MkIIIs at SJS in the UK, but these have a pawl
failure history.

I strongly recommend using Sheldon's gear calculator - using your
chainrings and the freewheel options, see what gives you the fewest
overlaps and the largest number of closely-spaced gears between about 35-65
inches. What you learn is that you should change a front chainring.
http://sheldonbrown.com/gears/

Me, I would replace that 50T chainring with a 45T or 46 to gain halfsteps -
this would also make a 12 or 13 smallest cog useful - 110-inch gears are
fairly pointless unless you're downhill with your hair on fire. I like
halfsteps - My Cyclotouriste triple is 47/42/26

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v728/bulldog1935/Raleigh/700c/319dcd6f-3983-4741-be02-9f6009d6d94b.jpg

On Wednesday, January 29, 2014 1:56:56 PM UTC-6, Tim Gavin wrote:

Ladies and gents-

I'm looking for a new freewheel. 7 speed, for use on a Phil hub on my Riv
Road Standard.

For touring, I want lower cogs than the 13-28 I have on there now. The
Microshift rear derailer (bought from Riv!) will handle a 36t max cog and
pick up the chain for my 50/40/30 Campy triple just fine.

So far, I see the following options. Anyone know of more? Thanks for
your advice!

*Shimano* FW723 Mega Range 14/ 16/ 18/ 20/ 22/ 24/ 34
$14
+ Cheap!
- Ugly (zinc finish with huge black mega range 34t cog)

*Dimension* 13/ 15/ 17/ 21/ 24/ 28/ 32
$42
+ Shiny nickel plating
- Not cheap! 3 Shimanos at this price

*IRD* Defiant 13/ 15/ 17/ 21/ 24/ 28/ 32
$56
+ Shiny nickel plating
+ USA company. MUSA freewheel?
- Not cheap! 4 Shimanos at this price

Gearing:
Which is better? Riding: touring with 220 lb rider and ~30lb of gear.
14/ 16/ 18/ 20/ 22/ 24/ 34 starts fat, ramps slowly, then massive bailout
cog.
13/ 15/ 17/ 21/ 24/ 28/ 32 starts medium, ramps moderately, has two,
smaller bailout gears (28/32)

Thanks,
Tim Gavin
Cedar Rapids, IA

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[RBW] Re: Riv horse-trading on a Riv-centric site

I ordered a striped wool top too!  I hope I look fetching in mine.  More 
likely, I'll be such a dog that people tell me to FETCH!

:-)

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[RBW] Re: Riv horse-trading on a Riv-centric site

2014-01-29 Thread Philip Williamson

I like seeing FS posts here, and I'm happy I can sell some things 
sometimes. I don't buy very much from Rivendell, but I don't buy very much 
of anything. My Rivendell cycling life is pretty satisfactory with what I 
have. Almost all my new-purchase Riv items come for 
Birthday/Xmas/Anniversary, which is a four-week window that just happened. 
Discounting the gifts, Rivendell has probably LOST money on me. I've 
probably led to a few sales via word-of-mouth, so maybe it's a wash. If I 
decide to buy a multi-thousand dollar bike, it will be a Roadeo or Legolas. 
Until that happens, I'll keep re-combining the bikes and parts I've got. 

My non-Riv cycling life just hit a flux point, but Rivendell doesn't sell 
flared drop bars or 29er tires. I have bought Thin Gripsters on eBay, 
because I want the bright colored ones that Rivendell doesn't sell. 
Cables, goops, etc., I buy from the bike shop 6 blocks away.


Philip
www.biketinker.com


On Wednesday, January 29, 2014 2:45:57 PM UTC-8, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:

 Used bikes and parts are pretty much the only kind I consider buying. And 
 I believe I have probably sold as much or more here than I've purchased. I 
 appreciate your concern for RBW, but don't believe we should arbitrarily 
 limit the second hand market.


 On Wednesday, January 29, 2014 9:25:03 AM UTC-8, Joe Bernard wrote:

 Branching off comments in another thread - and no doubt generating much 
 unpopularity, but I'm a liberal who chats regularly with conservatives on 
 politics sites, so I'm ok with it - this topic has been an edgy one for me 
 for quite some time. There's much buying/selling that goes on here for Riv 
 and Riv-ish things - I do it, too - which is fine: If you have a bag or 
 stem lying around you're not using, might as well sell it, right? Right, 
 but when it comes to actively searching around for a deal on things 
 Rivendell sells, I get a little queasy about this being done on a Riv Forum 
 as opposed to Ebay or Craigslist.
  
 What concerns me is that we've developed a secondary market amongst each 
 other for things we can buy new from RBW, and if that market continues to 
 flourish at the expense of the folks who originally provided the products, 
 we're eventually going to find ourselves wondering what happened to those 
 nice folks in Walnut Creek. Of course I'm not saying we have to stop 
 selling things we don't need anymore, but I think we should be careful how 
 hard we push the 'search' part of this activity on a Riv-specific forum. A 
 while back I needed a DirtDrop stem, a headlight, and some reflectors. 
 Rivendell sells them. They came expertly packed in a nice little box. 
  
 Joe soapbox Bernard
 Vallejo, CA.



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[RBW] Re: Riv horse-trading on a Riv-centric site

2014-01-29 Thread Hiawatha Cyclery

Rivendell is a company that has promoted good things, and they are nice 
people. But based on my limited understanding, this forum is hosted by 
google and moderated by a volunteer. In other words, there's no reason why 
this forum should be devoted solely to increasing Riv's sales. You should 
certainly buy from Riv if you want them to prosper, but I would say that 
there are plenty of bike companies and LBS's who are also working hard and 
deserve a little love.



On Wednesday, January 29, 2014 11:25:03 AM UTC-6, Joe Bernard wrote:

 Branching off comments in another thread - and no doubt generating much 
 unpopularity, but I'm a liberal who chats regularly with conservatives on 
 politics sites, so I'm ok with it - this topic has been an edgy one for me 
 for quite some time. There's much buying/selling that goes on here for Riv 
 and Riv-ish things - I do it, too - which is fine: If you have a bag or 
 stem lying around you're not using, might as well sell it, right? Right, 
 but when it comes to actively searching around for a deal on things 
 Rivendell sells, I get a little queasy about this being done on a Riv Forum 
 as opposed to Ebay or Craigslist.
  
 What concerns me is that we've developed a secondary market amongst each 
 other for things we can buy new from RBW, and if that market continues to 
 flourish at the expense of the folks who originally provided the products, 
 we're eventually going to find ourselves wondering what happened to those 
 nice folks in Walnut Creek. Of course I'm not saying we have to stop 
 selling things we don't need anymore, but I think we should be careful how 
 hard we push the 'search' part of this activity on a Riv-specific forum. A 
 while back I needed a DirtDrop stem, a headlight, and some reflectors. 
 Rivendell sells them. They came expertly packed in a nice little box. 
  
 Joe soapbox Bernard
 Vallejo, CA.


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[RBW] Re: ISO: 32t or 34t 7 speed freewheel. Any good options?

Tim, I punched these for you - these look really good.   I was expecting 
the 17-21 to be a cliff, but even that is not bad.  These look very useful, 
with two tree-climbers under 30 Gear chart using Gear 
Incheshttp://sheldonbrown.com/gloss_g.html#gearinch*For 
700 X 28 / 28-622 tire with 170 mm cranks**With Custom Sprocket(s) Cassette*
3033.3 %4025.0 %503225.133.541.814.3 %2828.738.247.816.7 %2433.544.655.814.3 
%2138.251.063.723.5 %1747.263.078.713.3 %1553.571.489.215.4 %1361.882.3102.9

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[RBW] Re: ISO: 32t or 34t 7 speed freewheel. Any good options?

This is the chart for my half-step triple and current set up.  I have one 
overlap at 70 inches, but this is an easy, load-hauling array.  


Gear chart using Gear Inches 
http://sheldonbrown.com/gloss_g.html#gearinch*For 
700 X 28 / 28-622 tire with 170 mm cranks**With Custom Sprocket(s) Cassette*
2661.5 %4211.9 %473221.735.139.328.0 %2527.845.050.319.0 %2133.153.559.916.7 
%1838.762.469.912.5 %1643.570.278.614.3 %1449.780.389.816.7 %1258.093.7104.8

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[RBW] Re: From Sadness to Happiness - I'm Riding Again!

2014-01-29 Thread Cecily Walker

I intend to ride in a dress just for the sheer cussedness of it. :-D

On Wednesday, January 29, 2014 2:22:20 PM UTC-8, Bill Lindsay wrote:

 Betty Foy on a populaire is such a nice thought.  

 On Tuesday, January 28, 2014 7:26:23 PM UTC-8, Cecily Walker wrote:

 Thanks to the miracles of modern science and physiotherapy, I'm back 
 riding my bike a lot sooner than expected!  I'll still need a knee 
 replacement eventually, but I was referred to a sports medicine physician 
 who has been giving me injections of Synvisc - a synthetic synovial fluid - 
 in my arthritic right knee. I still have one more injection to go, but 
 after that, the knee should be good for another 9-12 months! This stuff 
 isn't cheap, and it isn't covered by my extended medical insurance, but 
 it's a small price to pay for freedom from pain and greatly increased 
 mobility.

 I just wanted to share my good news since so many of you were so lovely 
 and expressed such great concern when I was convinced I'd have to stop 
 riding until I had surgery. Love you guys and gals. 

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[RBW] Re: Riv horse-trading on a Riv-centric site

Everybody likes FS posts.  100% of everybody likes FS posts.  FS posts are 
super fun.  

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Re: [RBW] FS: 68 CM Quickbeam. 1500.00

2014-01-29 Thread Mike On A Bike

Oh my god, this is the deal of the young century. I would be tempted to 
size up from my slightly too small 64 QB to this slightly too big QB if I 
had a stack of paper lying around. Happy riding to the lucky buyer!

On Wednesday, January 29, 2014 4:12:50 PM UTC-5, Jim Bronson wrote:

 Wow...my size and everything.  What a deal.

 Ah for the love of fifteen hundred dollars.

 Think I'll go in the bathroom and cry now...
 On Jan 28, 2014 11:23 PM, Kelly tksl...@gmail.com javascript: wrote:

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/tksleeper/sets/72157633031703828/

 Including extra set of wheels, bag.. Dyno and lights.

 Will have it boxed.. But you will pay freight .. Ups or fedx. Pickup is 
 good too.

 Great shape, good riding bike.

 Contact me offline.. Phone even better since I'm not in front fx computer 
 much anymore.  I was retired from Hp and now starting a couple of new 
 businesses... Hate my boss.. Doesn't let me ride as much :)

 This is one hell of a deal if I do say so myself.

 Kelly
 314-799-4743
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[RBW] Noooo!!! I could have ordered something else! Hot Pink Newbaums

CRAP!  I placed an order yesterday and it shipped out today, and only now 
do I realize that Rivendell has in-stock, the new HOT PINK Newbaums!

I should have added that to my order!  #headdesk

http://cdn3.volusion.com/ctxtv.wmppt/v/vspfiles/photos/gt1-6T.jpg?1385136510
I guess I'll just add it to my wish list.  Gr.  I was planning on being 
a Sumehra wannabee fanboy.  

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[RBW] Re: Riv horse-trading on a Riv-centric site

2014-01-29 Thread Michael



 As a rivbike enthusiast's forum, I would think that the joy of RBW bikes 
 and parts would include trading/buying/selling, etc.

 
I have found some great used stuff here before that I couldn't find easily 
anywhere else. 
 
However, I prefer to buy new bike parts. And when I buy new, I  prefer to 
buy from Riv when I can because I trust them and know I will get a high 
quality part in new condition.
 
For instance, I have bought several Brooks saddles through the past couple 
of years from several vendors, and only Rivendell has sent me one that 
looked like it was actually a new piece.
I have received some from other vendors with crooked noses, flared sides, 
leaning-to-one-side, sit-bone dents, etc.
I don't like getting parts in the mail that look used since I am paying 
full price for them, and I have confidence that RBW doesn't foist used 
items off on their customers.
I confess that paying the full retail price for an expensive part can smart 
a little, but I feel  it is worth it in the long run to know that the part 
won't come to me defective or used and that it will last for years to come.
 

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Re: [RBW] Re: From Sadness to Happiness - I'm Riding Again!


On 01/29/2014 07:04 PM, Cecily Walker wrote:

I intend to ride in a dress just for the sheer cussedness of it. :-D





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[RBW] Re: Riv horse-trading on a Riv-centric site

2014-01-29 Thread Joe Bernard

Including me. I've stated what I was referring to twice now, so I'm gonna 
have to let this thing run if some people still think I was talking about 
FS posts. I wasn't.

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[RBW] Re: Riv horse-trading on a Riv-centric site

2014-01-29 Thread Brian Campbell

I posted the original WTB request that Grant responded to. I asked if 
anyone had a medium saddle bag for sale. If I did not get a response, 
(which I did not) I was planning to buy a new one from Riv, which will 
happen shortly. If it matters, I have been buying things from Riv since 
2006.

 I find the amount of negativity  smugness associated with the topic a bit 
off-putting. 

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[RBW] Roadeo first ride impressions

2014-01-29 Thread Paul G

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-0fVUs_He3w4/Uumds2_4ROI/ACw/KAjbo73YTK0/s1600/DSC_2269.jpg
It's taken a long time for me to do a proper ride after building up this
fine frameset due to poor air quality in my area. I was finally able to
ride it about 35 miles on flat and rolling terrain with a couple stiff,
8-9% climbs of a mile or so.

You can refer to this other
posthttps://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/nDgzvehsQCw/Na3a5dUgNG0JI
made in a previous thread regarding build details. It is setup in a
minimal way for pure road riding with the only accessories being bottle
cages, a Mark's Toolwrap, and lights as needed. I have a wireless computer
for it, but have not installed it yet...and kinda don't want to in some
ways for aesthetic reasons; the Dream bars and Nitto Deluxe stem look so
classic without the computer. It weighs about 23 lbs. with saddle, cages
and pedals.

I'm 43 years old, 5' 11 and weigh 158 lbs. PBH is 89cm, so a 61cm frame is
what I chose according to standard Rivendell sizing conventions.

I'm just getting back into shape after a year and a half of poor health. My
other road bike which the Roadeo effectively replaces is a 58cm 1985 Team
Fuji with vintage components.

I think the Hallmark of this bike is the fantastic descending. It is so
stable and intuitive that it's just pure joy to fly down fast instead of
white-knuckled. Great stuff! The bike is quite stiff in the bottom bracket
and has that surging feeling when pedaling hard that modern bikes have and
that the old Fuji does not. The chain stays are fairly beefy too for a
steel bike. The ride quality is quite firm, but not punishing at all (28mm
Grand Bois Cerf, 80 psi rear, 70 psi front). It totally fits the sporty
nature of the bike and has lots of lively, low-frequency vibrations that
are organic in nature. Whether that's from the wheels, tires, or frame, I
don't know, but it's really nice.

My new Riv-approved riding position is very comfortable with the bars right
at saddle height at the moment. It seems to provide a good compromise
between light and hard pedaling effort. I'll be using it to train for my
first organized century since the summer of 2011 and I think it'll be a
spectacular bicycle for me!

Paul

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[RBW] Re: Roadeo first ride impressions

I love it. Congratulations. That's a terrific looking, smart contemporary
road bike.

On Wednesday, January 29, 2014 4:33:35 PM UTC-8, Paul G wrote:

I'm 43 years old, 5' 11 and weigh 158 lbs. PBH is 89cm, so a 61cm frame
is what I chose according to standard Rivendell sizing conventions.

I'm just getting back into shape after a year and a half of poor health.
My other road bike which the Roadeo effectively replaces is a 58cm 1985
Team Fuji with vintage components.

My new Riv-approved riding position is very comfortable with the bars
right at saddle height at the moment. It seems to provide a good compromise
between light and hard pedaling effort. I'll be using it to train for my
first organized century since the summer of 2011 and I think it'll be a
spectacular bicycle for me!

Paul

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Re: [RBW] Roadeo first ride impressions

A very nice and not at all excessively minimalist build. Congratulations I
rejoice in bikes that are not laden with accessories (though 2/4 of mine
are just so laden). The only black mark is that it doesn't have dt
shifters.

Patrick left 43 behind long ago Moore, who doesn't mind that at all, at
all!

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I'm 43 years old, 5' 11 and weigh 158 lbs. PBH is 89cm, so a 61cm frame
is what I chose according to standard Rivendell sizing conventions.

I'm just getting back into shape after a year and a half of poor health.
My other road bike which the Roadeo effectively replaces is a 58cm 1985
Team Fuji with vintage components.

My new Riv-approved riding position is very comfortable with the bars
right at saddle height at the moment. It seems to provide a good compromise
between light and hard pedaling effort. I'll be using it to train for my
first organized century since the summer of 2011 and I think it'll be a
spectacular bicycle for me!

Paul

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[RBW] Re: ISO: 32t or 34t 7 speed freewheel. Any good options?

One more to show you 11-tooth sprockets are only useful on compact double 
cranks

Gear chart using Gear Inches 
http://sheldonbrown.com/gloss_g.html#gearinch*For 
 700 X 38 / 38-622 tire with 170 mm cranks**With Custom Sprocket(s) 
 Cassette*2850.0 %423025.538.225.0 %2431.947.814.3 %2136.454.616.7 %1842.5
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[RBW] Re: Roadeo first ride impressions

Fantastic, Paul!

You mention not wanting to install the computer for aesthetic reasons. I've 
intentionally not installed a computer also, and doing so has brought 
amazing freedom. I do not feel a pressure to push a bit harder and go 19 
mph or focus on the milage ticking by. Instead I enjoy the ride, focusing 
on going however fast I want and the wonder and beauty around me. I learned 
that a lot with running, and it transferred right over to the bike when I 
got it almost two years ago.

Ride with abandon!

With abandon,
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[RBW] Re: Riv horse-trading on a Riv-centric site

Everyone likes FS posts, Including Joe Bernard most of all. That was my 
point.

I posted that to defend your Original Post.  Nobody anywhere in this thread 
has said one negative thing about FS posts, least of all Joe.  

On Wednesday, January 29, 2014 4:27:25 PM UTC-8, Joe Bernard wrote:

 Including me. I've stated what I was referring to twice now, so I'm gonna 
 have to let this thing run if some people still think I was talking about 
 FS posts. I wasn't.

 On Wednesday, January 29, 2014 4:10:21 PM UTC-8, Bill Lindsay wrote:

 Everybody likes FS posts.  100% of everybody likes FS posts.  FS posts 
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[RBW] Re: ISO: 32t or 34t 7 speed freewheel. Any good options?

That's a great looking compact double setup.  Everything you need, nothing 
you don't.  I like it.  

On Wednesday, January 29, 2014 4:38:10 PM UTC-8, Ron Mc wrote:

 One more to show you 11-tooth sprockets are only useful on compact double 
 cranks

 Gear chart using Gear 
 Incheshttp://sheldonbrown.com/gloss_g.html#gearinch*For 
 700 X 38 / 38-622 tire with 170 mm cranks**With Custom Sprocket(s) 
 Cassette*2850.0 %423025.538.225.0 %2431.947.814.3 %2136.454.616.7 %1842.5
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Re: [RBW] Re: Roadeo first ride impressions

FWIW, if the inner measurement demon fights epic battles with the
minimalist aesthetic demon, you can always use Cyclemeter on your smart
(gag, yurk, spew) phone. One very nice thing is that, while it does record
your average and fastest speed, you can nonetheless tuck it away in your
jersey pocket so that it does not continually mock you with your slowness
as you ride.

Patrick Moore, who records his rides for maintenance intervals only -- it's
true! I swear!.


On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 5:40 PM, Deacon Patrick lamontg...@mac.com wrote:

 Fantastic, Paul!

 You mention not wanting to install the computer for aesthetic reasons.
 I've intentionally not installed a computer also, and doing so has brought
 amazing freedom. I do not feel a pressure to push a bit harder and go 19
 mph or focus on the milage ticking by. Instead I enjoy the ride, focusing
 on going however fast I want and the wonder and beauty around me. I learned
 that a lot with running, and it transferred right over to the bike when I
 got it almost two years ago.

 Ride with abandon!

 With abandon,
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Re: [RBW] Roadeo first ride impressions

2014-01-29 Thread Paul G

Patrick Moore,

My Fuji has friction downtube shifters (I'm quite comfortable with them)
and I did custom-order downtube shifter bosses for the Roadeo to allow the
option if I so deem that necessary in the future. I'm definitely not
married to the Ergos by any means, but I got a great deal on them and they
certainly are very comfortable...and look snazzy too. :-)

Paul

On Wednesday, January 29, 2014 4:37:26 PM UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote:

Patrick left 43 behind long ago Moore, who doesn't mind that at all, at
all!

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javascript:wrote:

I'm 43 years old, 5' 11 and weigh 158 lbs. PBH is 89cm, so a 61cm frame
is what I chose according to standard Rivendell sizing conventions.

I'm just getting back into shape after a year and a half of poor health.
My other road bike which the Roadeo effectively replaces is a 58cm 1985
Team Fuji with vintage components.

My new Riv-approved riding position is very comfortable with the bars
right at saddle height at the moment. It seems to provide a good compromise
between light and hard pedaling effort. I'll be using it to train for my
first organized century since the summer of 2011 and I think it'll be a
spectacular bicycle for me!

Paul

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Re: [RBW] Re: Riv horse-trading on a Riv-centric site

2014-01-29 Thread Eric Platt

Brian,

While I basically have nothing to say on this list anymore, I don't find
the type of post you did to be offensive.  There are times when looking at
all the bags and other stuff I have the thought comes hmm, maybe someone
will ask for one of these on the Riv list.

Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN


On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 6:30 PM, Brian Campbell bdcampbel...@gmail.comwrote:

 I posted the original WTB request that Grant responded to. I asked if
 anyone had a medium saddle bag for sale. If I did not get a response,
 (which I did not) I was planning to buy a new one from Riv, which will
 happen shortly. If it matters, I have been buying things from Riv since
 2006.

  I find the amount of negativity  smugness associated with the topic a
 bit off-putting.

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Re: [RBW] Roadeo first ride impressions

Hell, Paul, don't mind me: enjoy your brifters. I finally got back to
indexed shifting after 18 years, when listmembers very kindly set me up
with very cheap, used (whoops! didn't mean to intersect that other thread!)
Dura Ace 7400 components, that I just had to use indexed.

It looks like a very nice bike and, if it makes anyone happier, I am
jealous.

On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 5:45 PM, Paul G pauldowg...@gmail.com wrote:

Patrick Moore,

Paul

On Wednesday, January 29, 2014 4:37:26 PM UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote:

A very nice and not at all excessively minimalist build. Congratulations
I rejoice in bikes that are not laden with accessories (though 2/4 of mine
are just so laden). The only black mark is that it doesn't have dt
shifters.

Patrick left 43 behind long ago Moore, who doesn't mind that at all, at
all!

On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 5:33 PM, Paul G pauld...@gmail.com wrote:

I'm 43 years old, 5' 11 and weigh 158 lbs. PBH is 89cm, so a 61cm frame
is what I chose according to standard Rivendell sizing conventions.

I'm just getting back into shape after a year and a half of poor health.
My other road bike which the Roadeo effectively replaces is a 58cm 1985
Team Fuji with vintage components.

My new Riv-approved riding position is very comfortable with the bars
right at saddle height at the moment. It seems to provide a good compromise
between light and hard pedaling effort. I'll be using it to train for my
first organized century since the summer of 2011 and I think it'll be a
spectacular bicycle for me!

Paul

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[RBW] Re: Roadeo first ride impressions

2014-01-29 Thread Paul G

Deacon,

I've thought about that too and experienced that very thing on my first 
ride. There is freedom indeed!

Paul

On Wednesday, January 29, 2014 4:40:16 PM UTC-8, Deacon Patrick wrote:

 Fantastic, Paul!

 You mention not wanting to install the computer for aesthetic reasons. 
 I've intentionally not installed a computer also, and doing so has brought 
 amazing freedom. I do not feel a pressure to push a bit harder and go 19 
 mph or focus on the milage ticking by. Instead I enjoy the ride, focusing 
 on going however fast I want and the wonder and beauty around me. I learned 
 that a lot with running, and it transferred right over to the bike when I 
 got it almost two years ago.

 Ride with abandon!

 With abandon,
 Patrick


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Re: [RBW] Re: Riv horse-trading on a Riv-centric site

2014-01-29 Thread Hugh Smitham

Bill,

let's be ultra clear here...Joe's post took exception to WTB posts.
That's what started this storm of absurdity. IMO there is nothing wrong
with Brian's post. He like others and I look to save a bit before first
buying from Riv. I'am glad others feel so freely about their money and
don't actively look to save when they can. I can say with certainty that
I've spent more at Riv than all the used parts I've picked up on this list.

~Hugh

Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep
moving. -- Albert Einstein

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On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 4:42 PM, Bill Lindsay tapebu...@gmail.com wrote:

 Everyone likes FS posts, Including Joe Bernard most of all. That was my
 point.

 I posted that to defend your Original Post.  Nobody anywhere in this
 thread has said one negative thing about FS posts, least of all Joe.


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 Including me. I've stated what I was referring to twice now, so I'm gonna
 have to let this thing run if some people still think I was talking about
 FS posts. I wasn't.

 On Wednesday, January 29, 2014 4:10:21 PM UTC-8, Bill Lindsay wrote:

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Re: [RBW] Re: Riv horse-trading on a Riv-centric site

I vote Brian's post is OK, too.  We spend a bit of money on this stuff, and 
there are times when I may want to turn some of it back into cash.  Hey, I 
like Acorn bags, too, and I'm glad we can talk about them here.  Ron makes 
some really nice stuff, and his service is Top Notch (as is Rivendell's). 
 I've also bought 3 seat covers directly from Randi-Jo to get the colors I 
wanted.  Red on the red bike, blue on the blue bike, etc.  

On Wednesday, January 29, 2014 6:46:09 PM UTC-6, EricP wrote:

 Brian,

 While I basically have nothing to say on this list anymore, I don't find 
 the type of post you did to be offensive.  There are times when looking at 
 all the bags and other stuff I have the thought comes hmm, maybe someone 
 will ask for one of these on the Riv list.  

 Eric Platt
 St. Paul, MN


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 bdcamp...@gmail.comjavascript:
  wrote:

 I posted the original WTB request that Grant responded to. I asked if 
 anyone had a medium saddle bag for sale. If I did not get a response, 
 (which I did not) I was planning to buy a new one from Riv, which will 
 happen shortly. If it matters, I have been buying things from Riv since 
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[RBW] Re: ISO: 32t or 34t 7 speed freewheel. Any good options?