Re: [RBW] Re: How would your choice of Rivish Bike carry forward to your choice of automobile?
It's got to be Citroen: - http://www.boldride.com/ride/1955/citroen-ds-19 On Monday, May 5, 2014 11:20:56 PM UTC-6, Christopher Chen wrote: Only one thing comes to mind On May 5, 2014 9:43 PM, Peter Morgano uscpet...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: Classic Simpsons. Danny devito as the long lost brother, awesome. On May 6, 2014 12:36 AM, cyclotourist cyclot...@gmail.comjavascript: wrote: Fun fact: I was looking up images for homer car when I came across the third one! *http://tinyurl.com/n2zhorj http://tinyurl.com/n2zhorj* Cheers, David it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride. - Seth Vidal On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 9:34 PM, Coconutbill evan@gmail.comjavascript: wrote: a. homer ! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.comjavascript: . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.comjavascript: . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.comjavascript: . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Using my Rivendell to find grace and humility - a ride report
Ha! Actually, scented people refers to the layers of artificial scents people accumulate unwittingly via laundry detergent, soap, shampoo, shaving cream, and much, much more. They blow up in my brain and on the trail I can literally smell them from more than a mile away. THAT'S what stinks. Sweat can too, but only if your nuts enough to eat grains or veggie oils. Grin. With abandon, Patrick On Monday, May 5, 2014 11:42:58 PM UTC-6, Jim Bronson wrote: Scented people? I'm sure my scent at the end of a 200k is always going to be pretty bad. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: How would your choice of Rivish Bike carry forward to your choice of automobile?
Say, that looks like a Blastolene roadster. http://blastoland.com/blastoland/BIG_BERTHA.html Prior to sorting out my preferences and getting my orange Rambouillet, I briefly owned this similar yet poor fit: [image: image.jpg] Had to sell the rag top almost as soon as I got it. The four wheel drive utility (and preference for a manual transmission) remained in a much more refined manner while maintaining the utility aspect. [image: Ob08white1.JPG.jpg] Extending the projection of the fit, the ride and the utility of my Rambouillet and projecting it on a car, I got my wife a different AWD suited for her automotive randonneuring. BTW- obsessive bike-centric feature is the winter package fold-down rear seats permitting the Rambouillet to ride inside: [image: mdm-8043-2009-bmw-328i_cc_007-8043.jpg] Outright furthest extent projection: [image: 1974AlfaRomeoGTV.png] If they didn't rust, break down, had functioning climate control, room for a bike or a big dog, operated like an contemporary vehicle and had AWD. Andy Cheatham Pittsburgh On Monday, May 5, 2014 11:47:34 PM UTC-4, Tom Virgil wrote: If you are going to say I ride a Rivendell bicycle, I don't need an automobile, God bless you. Seriously. But, assuming that your obsessive, compulsive personality (I have one of those) compels you to carry the threads of your pursuits to their extreme, logical conclusions, I believe that there are some choices out there. As with our bicycles, they would not be obtained through standard outlets. Just my opinion, but I think that as an Atlantis, A. Homer Hilsen, or Sam Hillborne owner, you might gravitate to this. http://bp3.blogger.com/_eMfw8PboF5U/Rzok9A9XD5I/B8g/3-_iCzTeypk/s1600/17_Big+Bertha_1.jpg Note that the owner has a beard (working on that for myself). I heard that the owner managed to convert the Seagrave fire truck engine to propane, so perhaps that helps with fuel costs. There is really only one choice for the owner of a Hunqapillar. The Hummer would be much too yesterday's trendy. To hades with the cost of fuel or effort. It must be a Dodge Power Wagon. http://moparplanet.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/dodge_power_wagon.jpg This bad boy will go anywhere you want, albeit with an unsynchonized manual transmission. Well, heck, we don't need no stinking SIS, do we? Betty Foy and Cheviot are more subtle. They demonstrate a certain amount of class and an attitude of nonchalance about girl's bike/boy's bike. They are nevertheless robust vehicles. Not having one, my suggestion would be the following. http://files.conceptcarz.com/img/Dodge/54_Dodge_Power_Wagon_DV-06_BJ_09.jpg I can only imagine Vancouver librarians rolling up to the book repositories (or straight through them, if desired) in Canadian state issued editions of these contrivances. ~Tom -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Bike Overnight Report: Anderson Park, Vernonia OR, May 29-30
Nice post and plenty of good pictures. Seems like a good opportunity to use the old golf comment; 'a bad day on the bike is better than a good day in the office'! We are supposed to experience some higher temps later this week, definitely a weather rollercoaster in the east coast! Thanks for sharing. Tony -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: How would your choice of Rivish Bike carry forward to your choice of automobile?
When I think of my Atlantis as a car/truck, I think this: from this website: http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/showthread.php?t=535456 On Monday, May 5, 2014 11:47:34 PM UTC-4, Tom Virgil wrote: If you are going to say I ride a Rivendell bicycle, I don't need an automobile, God bless you. Seriously. But, assuming that your obsessive, compulsive personality (I have one of those) compels you to carry the threads of your pursuits to their extreme, logical conclusions, I believe that there are some choices out there. As with our bicycles, they would not be obtained through standard outlets. Just my opinion, but I think that as an Atlantis, A. Homer Hilsen, or Sam Hillborne owner, you might gravitate to this. http://bp3.blogger.com/_eMfw8PboF5U/Rzok9A9XD5I/B8g/3-_iCzTeypk/s1600/17_Big+Bertha_1.jpg Note that the owner has a beard (working on that for myself). I heard that the owner managed to convert the Seagrave fire truck engine to propane, so perhaps that helps with fuel costs. There is really only one choice for the owner of a Hunqapillar. The Hummer would be much too yesterday's trendy. To hades with the cost of fuel or effort. It must be a Dodge Power Wagon. http://moparplanet.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/dodge_power_wagon.jpg This bad boy will go anywhere you want, albeit with an unsynchonized manual transmission. Well, heck, we don't need no stinking SIS, do we? Betty Foy and Cheviot are more subtle. They demonstrate a certain amount of class and an attitude of nonchalance about girl's bike/boy's bike. They are nevertheless robust vehicles. Not having one, my suggestion would be the following. http://files.conceptcarz.com/img/Dodge/54_Dodge_Power_Wagon_DV-06_BJ_09.jpg I can only imagine Vancouver librarians rolling up to the book repositories (or straight through them, if desired) in Canadian state issued editions of these contrivances. ~Tom -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: What is the advantage of expensive hubs?
My daughter's go-fast has a 1400g wheelset built on bikehubstore hubs with Kinlin rims by Hoops (nice guy and builds nice wheels). If how long it will free-spin on the bikestand counts for anything, these hubs are more efficient than my Phil wheelset. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v728/bulldog1935/Raleigh/Fuji/aP6220004.jpg What is the advantage of the Phil? If you buy a used wheelset, you know it's got many miles left in it http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v728/bulldog1935/Raleigh/700c/aaP1060004.jpg On Monday, May 5, 2014 11:05:58 AM UTC-5, eflayer wrote: the law of diminishing returns does set in at some point: The law of diminishing returns is a classic economic concept that states that as more investment in an area is made, overall return on that investment increases at a declining rate, assuming that all variables remain fixed. To continue to make an investment after a certain point (which varies from context to context) is to receive a decreasing return on that input. You might consider moving up a notch, but not all the way to bling. Maybe cartridge bearings and lower weight would be fun to play with, and... The bikehubstore.com seems to have a fine reputation for selling good stuff and providing good service. All that said, if you don't care about weight and mostly about utility, then I think you won't experience any level of disappointment with nearly anything from Shimanoand they are famous for not making that aggravating pawl click noise found in even the most expensive. http://www.bikehubstore.com/category-s/144.htm On Monday, May 5, 2014 8:14:15 AM UTC-7, Jim Bronson wrote: Pricing out parts for my build, the cost difference in hubs between the bling hubs and say Shimano hubs are pretty noticable. A Chris King, Phil Wood, et. al, are quite expensive, $350ish in the case of the Chris King, $400+ in the case of the Phil. On the other hand, I found Tiagra 4600 rear hubs for as little as $24.45 online, and 105 5700 rear hubs for $43.45. Now we all know that Shimano hubs are loose ball bearing hubs, but in practice what is the functional deficiency if the bearing preload is properly adjusted? Some people seem to think the 105 hub is better sealed than the Tiagra and if so would be worth $19 to me. But if not...? Rivendell sells 105 5500 hubs on their site, so they must not be that bad. To give some more background, I have a Chris King hub on a frame I was planning on selling. The plan was to re-use the CK hub on my new build. Different wheel size, so I would need to start over with new rims and spokes either way. But if I could sell the CK for $200 or more, and replace it with say a 105 or even a Deore hub, that would help me get my build together faster. The new frame is spaced 132.5 so can take 130 or 135. I also don't love the fact that the CK hub needs to be taken apart and re-lubed yearly. I had an issue before with the lube drying out and causing the hub to be sticky on transition from pedaling to coasting when my service interval was too long. That being said, the polished silver CK is a bit more aesthetically pleasing than the dull silver Shimano hubs. My main criteria is that the hub is sealed well against water intrusion and rolls down the road easily. Low maintenance is a plus. A difference in weight of 100 grams is not meaningful to me. Bling is nice, but my priority is function over form. It does need to be silver, of course. Replacing the CK with a mid-priced cartridge bearing hub might be another option. The Velo Orange hubs look pretty nice. I'm guessing they would probably would require less maintenance than the CK hubs and if the cartridge bearings are of good quality they would probably be well sealed. -Jim -- Keep the metal side up and the rubber side down! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: What is the advantage of expensive hubs?
I'm riding C-Record/ Moskva rims on my go-fast and it's a heavy wheelset, but is very nice. I put in new Boca ceramic balls and adjusted the cones in place on the frame. I've never been on a quieter ride. On Monday, May 5, 2014 5:38:12 PM UTC-5, Brewster Fong wrote: On Monday, May 5, 2014 3:16:36 PM UTC-7, Jim Bronson wrote: I do have some Campy rear hubs sitting around but I have made the decision not to use Campy stuff if I can avoid it because Campy parts are expensive. I can buy two or three Shimano cassettes for the cost of a Campy cassette, for example. I agree that if you buy Campy cassettes, they can be very expensive, especially anything with ti cogs! However, since cassettes are consumables, I don't need anything ti and I found that Centaur/Veloce level cassettes ordered thru the UK dealers to not be too bad. For example, I still run 9 speed and a Campy Veloce 9 spd 13-28 cassette is about $49. In contrast, they also sell an off-brand called BBB and its 9 speed 12-27 cassette sells for $36. Not too bad. There's also the fact that Campy 9/10/11 hubs have more offset and build a weaker wheel. Not good for a 270 lb rider. The offset doesn't build that weak a wheel, but I agree that if you're 270lb, it is best not to chance it! Of course, if someone made a Shimano freehub body that fit on a Campy hub, it might be a consideration...I have a brand new early 2000s Chorus hub just sitting in my parts bin. Also have a used Record hub of about the same vintage, the rim it was laced to got too out of whack to ride anymore. I would be interested in either hub if you want to sell! Email me off-list if you do. Thanks! On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 4:07 PM, Philip Williamson philip.w...@gmail.comwrote: Engagement is the only issue I find between Shimano hubs and boutique hubs, but my experience of cassette hubs is pretty limited, due to a long-lasting fixed gear obsession. My Bontrager/King hubs have only been serviced once, about 10 years ago, but the ring drive engagement is a real joy compared to the Shimano Deore hub that I've put a lot of miles on. I don't consider the Deore hub to be a mountain bike hub at all, and I'm not considering Shimano hubs for my 'dream' wheelset for the New Gravel Roadster. I want White, King, or Hope hubs for that, a choice that comes down to have a connection to vs have the money for. But... I just bought a $75 CL wheelset with Concept hubs, so expedience wins. Philip www.biketinker.com On Monday, May 5, 2014 8:14:15 AM UTC-7, Jim Bronson wrote: Pricing out parts for my build, the cost difference in hubs between the bling hubs and say Shimano hubs are pretty noticable. A Chris King, Phil Wood, et. al, are quite expensive, $350ish in the case of the Chris King, $400+ in the case of the Phil. On the other hand, I found Tiagra 4600 rear hubs for as little as $24.45 online, and 105 5700 rear hubs for $43.45. Now we all know that Shimano hubs are loose ball bearing hubs, but in practice what is the functional deficiency if the bearing preload is properly adjusted? Some people seem to think the 105 hub is better sealed than the Tiagra and if so would be worth $19 to me. But if not...? Rivendell sells 105 5500 hubs on their site, so they must not be that bad. To give some more background, I have a Chris King hub on a frame I was planning on selling. The plan was to re-use the CK hub on my new build. Different wheel size, so I would need to start over with new rims and spokes either way. But if I could sell the CK for $200 or more, and replace it with say a 105 or even a Deore hub, that would help me get my build together faster. The new frame is spaced 132.5 so can take 130 or 135. I also don't love the fact that the CK hub needs to be taken apart and re-lubed yearly. I had an issue before with the lube drying out and causing the hub to be sticky on transition from pedaling to coasting when my service interval was too long. That being said, the polished silver CK is a bit more aesthetically pleasing than the dull silver Shimano hubs. My main criteria is that the hub is sealed well against water intrusion and rolls down the road easily. Low maintenance is a plus. A difference in weight of 100 grams is not meaningful to me. Bling is nice, but my priority is function over form. It does need to be silver, of course. Replacing the CK with a mid-priced cartridge bearing hub might be another option. The Velo Orange hubs look pretty nice. I'm guessing they would probably would require less maintenance than the CK hubs and if the cartridge bearings are of good quality they would probably be well sealed. -Jim -- Keep the metal side up and the rubber side down! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and
Re: [RBW] Re: How would your choice of Rivish Bike carry forward to your choice of automobile?
Bonus points for color matching! Cheers, David it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride. - Seth Vidal On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 5:09 AM, WETH erlhous...@gmail.com wrote: When I think of my Atlantis as a car/truck, I think this: from this website: http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/showthread.php?t=535456 On Monday, May 5, 2014 11:47:34 PM UTC-4, Tom Virgil wrote: If you are going to say I ride a Rivendell bicycle, I don't need an automobile, God bless you. Seriously. But, assuming that your obsessive, compulsive personality (I have one of those) compels you to carry the threads of your pursuits to their extreme, logical conclusions, I believe that there are some choices out there. As with our bicycles, they would not be obtained through standard outlets. Just my opinion, but I think that as an Atlantis, A. Homer Hilsen, or Sam Hillborne owner, you might gravitate to this. http://bp3.blogger.com/_eMfw8PboF5U/Rzok9A9XD5I/B8g/3-_iCzTeypk/s1600/17_Big+Bertha_1.jpg Note that the owner has a beard (working on that for myself). I heard that the owner managed to convert the Seagrave fire truck engine to propane, so perhaps that helps with fuel costs. There is really only one choice for the owner of a Hunqapillar. The Hummer would be much too yesterday's trendy. To hades with the cost of fuel or effort. It must be a Dodge Power Wagon. http://moparplanet.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/dodge_power_wagon.jpg This bad boy will go anywhere you want, albeit with an unsynchonized manual transmission. Well, heck, we don't need no stinking SIS, do we? Betty Foy and Cheviot are more subtle. They demonstrate a certain amount of class and an attitude of nonchalance about girl's bike/boy's bike. They are nevertheless robust vehicles. Not having one, my suggestion would be the following. http://files.conceptcarz.com/img/Dodge/54_Dodge_Power_Wagon_DV-06_BJ_09.jpg I can only imagine Vancouver librarians rolling up to the book repositories (or straight through them, if desired) in Canadian state issued editions of these contrivances. ~Tom -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: How would your choice of Rivish Bike carry forward to your choice of automobile?
I like to think my bike and car preferences are well-aligned... I go for functional, practical, comfortable, fun... I'm on my second Element, and (since it has been discontinued) I'm always on the lookout for the 'next' one with low miles to drive for the next 10 years (unless something better comes along... NAH... not likely)... https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-h1ZGAlz4Ll8/U2jxDzI1jeI/Em4/aoAtJ2R-e5g/s1600/Element+on+Ferry.JPG On Monday, May 5, 2014 11:47:34 PM UTC-4, Tom Virgil wrote: If you are going to say I ride a Rivendell bicycle, I don't need an automobile, God bless you. Seriously. But, assuming that your obsessive, compulsive personality (I have one of those) compels you to carry the threads of your pursuits to their extreme, logical conclusions, I believe that there are some choices out there. As with our bicycles, they would not be obtained through standard outlets. Just my opinion, but I think that as an Atlantis, A. Homer Hilsen, or Sam Hillborne owner, you might gravitate to this. http://bp3.blogger.com/_eMfw8PboF5U/Rzok9A9XD5I/B8g/3-_iCzTeypk/s1600/17_Big+Bertha_1.jpg Note that the owner has a beard (working on that for myself). I heard that the owner managed to convert the Seagrave fire truck engine to propane, so perhaps that helps with fuel costs. There is really only one choice for the owner of a Hunqapillar. The Hummer would be much too yesterday's trendy. To hades with the cost of fuel or effort. It must be a Dodge Power Wagon. http://moparplanet.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/dodge_power_wagon.jpg This bad boy will go anywhere you want, albeit with an unsynchonized manual transmission. Well, heck, we don't need no stinking SIS, do we? Betty Foy and Cheviot are more subtle. They demonstrate a certain amount of class and an attitude of nonchalance about girl's bike/boy's bike. They are nevertheless robust vehicles. Not having one, my suggestion would be the following. http://files.conceptcarz.com/img/Dodge/54_Dodge_Power_Wagon_DV-06_BJ_09.jpg I can only imagine Vancouver librarians rolling up to the book repositories (or straight through them, if desired) in Canadian state issued editions of these contrivances. ~Tom -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: How would your choice of Rivish Bike carry forward to your choice of automobile?
I have an '03 Atlantis that I use for commuting and recreation and garage riding on my trainer. It's the bike built-up with all the bells and whistles that I ever wanted on a bike--SON Deluxe, Phil Touring Hub, Paul touring canti breaks, etc. All that's missing is a Phil BB. Coming this summer. A friend always teases me because, as he says, it's built like a Bentley. My comeback to that is: Purposely. :) https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-dilDG4VMC3w/U2jxxoyfh6I/ACY/0D6jqaT6imI/s1600/21SteveDeMont_51cmAtlantis7242012.jpg https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-5SScBjnwykg/U2jxtUIGI6I/ACQ/NFfe2b9wDpk/s1600/15SteveDeMont_51cmAtlantis7242012.jpg Steve DeMont Seattle On Monday, May 5, 2014 8:47:34 PM UTC-7, Tom Virgil wrote: If you are going to say I ride a Rivendell bicycle, I don't need an automobile, God bless you. Seriously. But, assuming that your obsessive, compulsive personality (I have one of those) compels you to carry the threads of your pursuits to their extreme, logical conclusions, I believe that there are some choices out there. As with our bicycles, they would not be obtained through standard outlets. Just my opinion, but I think that as an Atlantis, A. Homer Hilsen, or Sam Hillborne owner, you might gravitate to this. http://bp3.blogger.com/_eMfw8PboF5U/Rzok9A9XD5I/B8g/3-_iCzTeypk/s1600/17_Big+Bertha_1.jpg Note that the owner has a beard (working on that for myself). I heard that the owner managed to convert the Seagrave fire truck engine to propane, so perhaps that helps with fuel costs. There is really only one choice for the owner of a Hunqapillar. The Hummer would be much too yesterday's trendy. To hades with the cost of fuel or effort. It must be a Dodge Power Wagon. http://moparplanet.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/dodge_power_wagon.jpg This bad boy will go anywhere you want, albeit with an unsynchonized manual transmission. Well, heck, we don't need no stinking SIS, do we? Betty Foy and Cheviot are more subtle. They demonstrate a certain amount of class and an attitude of nonchalance about girl's bike/boy's bike. They are nevertheless robust vehicles. Not having one, my suggestion would be the following. http://files.conceptcarz.com/img/Dodge/54_Dodge_Power_Wagon_DV-06_BJ_09.jpg I can only imagine Vancouver librarians rolling up to the book repositories (or straight through them, if desired) in Canadian state issued editions of these contrivances. ~Tom -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Bike Overnight Report: Anderson Park, Vernonia OR, May 29-30
I grew up in Oregon but I've been down here in Texas for 25 years. Whenever I go home, I find folks' views on hot temperatures to be amusing ;) Seriously though, I was the same way when I was younger, and I understand. I enjoyed reading your story and the mental images of the Coast Range. I miss it and wish I could visit more often. On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 10:54 PM, Shawn Granton urbanadventurelea...@gmail.com wrote: Hello friends- Last week when we had some honest-to-goodness summer weather (89F?) here in Portland, I went on a bike camping trip. It wasn't great, but it wasn't bad, either. More can be found here: http://urbanadventureleague.wordpress.com/2014/05/04/bike-overnight-anderson-park-vernonia-29-30-april-2014/ Hope you enjoy. yours, Shawn * http://urbanadventureleague.wordpress.com/ http://groups.google.com/group/urban-adventure-league-portland http://societyofthreespeeds.wordpress.com/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/urbanadventureleaguepdx/ http://bikesspottedpdx.tumblr.com/ Un-electronic mail goes here: P O Box 14185, Portland OR 97293-0185 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Keep the metal side up and the rubber side down! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Lake Pepin/Twin Cities: Who's going? What's going on?
I'm planning to be there with my Quickbeam dressed up as a British 3 speed roadster... http://instagram.com/p/nEmy78HP_r/ My buddy and I are planning to spend a little time in Madison before returning to the south. We'll see you there! Chris Johnson Sanger, TX -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] How would your choice of Rivish Bike carry forward to your choice of automobile?
I drive a 1990 Volvo 240 with 254,000 or so on it. My wife drives a 1993 Volvo 240 wagon with ~220,000 on it and she has a 1972 Volkswagen bus for fun. I am pondering eventual replacement with an electric vehicle. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: How would your choice of Rivish Bike carry forward to your choice of automobile?
Ha! That's not something you should be worried about - your bikes could never look like full-pimp LeBarons. A Silver Dawn with Land Rover wheels, maybe... Philip wwow.biketinker.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: How would your choice of Rivish Bike carry forward to your choice of automobile?
How could the product managers at Chevrolet have known all the way back in 1972? They got the color right and everything. On Tuesday, May 6, 2014 5:09:19 AM UTC-7, WETH wrote: When I think of my Atlantis as a car/truck, I think this: from this website: http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/showthread.php?t=535456 On Monday, May 5, 2014 11:47:34 PM UTC-4, Tom Virgil wrote: If you are going to say I ride a Rivendell bicycle, I don't need an automobile, God bless you. Seriously. But, assuming that your obsessive, compulsive personality (I have one of those) compels you to carry the threads of your pursuits to their extreme, logical conclusions, I believe that there are some choices out there. As with our bicycles, they would not be obtained through standard outlets. Just my opinion, but I think that as an Atlantis, A. Homer Hilsen, or Sam Hillborne owner, you might gravitate to this. http://bp3.blogger.com/_eMfw8PboF5U/Rzok9A9XD5I/B8g/3-_iCzTeypk/s1600/17_Big+Bertha_1.jpg Note that the owner has a beard (working on that for myself). I heard that the owner managed to convert the Seagrave fire truck engine to propane, so perhaps that helps with fuel costs. There is really only one choice for the owner of a Hunqapillar. The Hummer would be much too yesterday's trendy. To hades with the cost of fuel or effort. It must be a Dodge Power Wagon. http://moparplanet.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/dodge_power_wagon.jpg This bad boy will go anywhere you want, albeit with an unsynchonized manual transmission. Well, heck, we don't need no stinking SIS, do we? Betty Foy and Cheviot are more subtle. They demonstrate a certain amount of class and an attitude of nonchalance about girl's bike/boy's bike. They are nevertheless robust vehicles. Not having one, my suggestion would be the following. http://files.conceptcarz.com/img/Dodge/54_Dodge_Power_Wagon_DV-06_BJ_09.jpg I can only imagine Vancouver librarians rolling up to the book repositories (or straight through them, if desired) in Canadian state issued editions of these contrivances. ~Tom -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Single speed eccentric wheel has been ordered / FS Paul Melvin
Thanks for all the input, everyone. I just got off the phone with Anthony at Longleaf. He confirmed my idea of leaving the derailler on and switching back and forth occasionally between single speed and cassette wheels, so I went ahead and placed the order. Hub - WI Eno Eccentric Rim - A23, 32 holes Spokes - Wheelsmith DB14 I suppose I jumped the gun a little, since it will be delivered to my inlaws in NH and I won't get it until I visit in July. The upshot of all this is that I won't be needing the Paul Melvin tensioner I bought on this list and never installed. The guy who sold it to me described it as Installed, maybe a few miles on it. Excellent. It's waiting for me in NH too (really jumped the gun on that one) so I haven't seen it myself. So, FS Paul Melvin chain tensioner. $50 shipped http://www.paulcomp.com/melvin.html Jay -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: How would your choice of Rivish Bike carry forward to your choice of automobile?
S24O anyone? http://photos1.blogger.com/img/34/3514/640/Overloaded.jpg -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: FS: Two Riv Frames: 58 Simple One and 58 Rambouillet
Here are a couple links to craigslist ads that have photos. Still trying to sell. http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/bik/4457007836.html http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/bik/4457032669.html Michael Allen On Monday, April 28, 2014 9:06:55 AM UTC-7, allenmichael wrote: I have two Riv frames for sale in SF. I am selling because I have a 58 Orange Rambouillet that I am spending all my time on. The first is a Green 58 Rambouillet; the second is a 58 Maroon Simple One. The Simple One was a prototype, only different in that it does not have the dropout angled to allow changing rear sprocket without having to adjust brake position. Both are in very good condition, nothing like showroom or new, but both perfect in terms of riding. In both cases, selling f/f/hs//bb. Rambouillet $850 Simple One $750 I also have enough parts to finish out a build on either frame that I can include if you are missing wheel sets, handlebars, cranksets, racks, bags, or anything else. Please reply off list. I can send pictures to interested parties. Michael Allen -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: How would your choice of Rivish Bike carry forward to your choice of automobile?
I ride a bicycle, Rivendell or otherwise, so I very rarely need a car. (insert self righteous smirk here) When I do, my wife has a Skoda Oktavia, which is the best analogue I could find to my Sam Hillborne. Bigger and more robust than similarly priced sedans, a little out of the ordinary, world class technology (Audi/VW) but made in Czech Republic to keep costs down. Does that make the Czech Republic the European analogue of Taiwan? Jay On Tuesday, May 6, 2014 6:39:51 PM UTC+3, doc wrote: S24O anyone? http://photos1.blogger.com/img/34/3514/640/Overloaded.jpg -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Drivetrains without a front derailer
This is an interesting concept, combining an IGH with an 11-36 cassette. Only part I don't like is the funky shifter. If it could be made to work with bar ends, that would be better. http://www.sram.com/sram/urban/products/sram-dd3-30 -- Keep the metal side up and the rubber side down! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Drivetrains without a front derailer
I have a very similar system, also made by SRAM, on one of my bikes. It works very well, but I've found over time that the hub gear that is a direct drive (the middle position) works the best for normal riding. The top hub gear has the usual IGH drag. --Eric Norris campyonly...@me.com www.campyonly.com campyonlyguy.blogspot.com On May 6, 2014, at 8:58 AM, Jim Bronson jim.bron...@gmail.com wrote: This is an interesting concept, combining an IGH with an 11-36 cassette. Only part I don't like is the funky shifter. If it could be made to work with bar ends, that would be better. http://www.sram.com/sram/urban/products/sram-dd3-30 -- Keep the metal side up and the rubber side down! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Drivetrains without a front derailer
This sort of system comes around regularly every decade or two. Sachs (I think?) had a 3X7 system back in the '90s, and before that someone manufactured adapted drivers for SA hubs that with longer axles accepted at least a 3 speed fw. When rebuilding an early Varsity I converted the drivetrain to 6 with a standard AW and two ordinary SA cogs, one an 18 reversed, dish inward, the other a 16 dish outward, and held on by tack welds to the driver -- this circa 1971 or 2. It worked very well with a Benelux pull chain rd. This sort of conversion made sense back in the days of pull chain rds, but with modern derailleur drivetrains with such wide ranges and so reliable, durable, and efficient, I wonder what advantage one would have with such a hybrid system. I seem to recall that the AW has relatively little internal friction in indirect gears compared to more sophisticated models, but this would leave you with the external complexity of a derailleur system and the friction of an internal system, no? On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 9:58 AM, Jim Bronson jim.bron...@gmail.com wrote: This is an interesting concept, combining an IGH with an 11-36 cassette. Only part I don't like is the funky shifter. If it could be made to work with bar ends, that would be better. http://www.sram.com/sram/urban/products/sram-dd3-30 -- Keep the metal side up and the rubber side down! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Resumes, LinkedIn profiles, and letters that get interviews. By-the-hour resume and LinkedIn coaching. Other professional writing services. http://www.resumespecialties.com/ Patrick Moore Albuquerque, Nouvelle Mexique, Etats Unis * In yourself right now is all the place you've got. Flannery O'Connor -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Drivetrains without a front derailer
6 speed BWR Bromptons use a similar concept. You get a 3 speed IGH, 2 cogs and a chain pusher. Works well and gives you a range of about 300% with no overlap. Big jumps though. Eric Norris wrote: I have a very similar system, also made by SRAM, on one of my bikes. It works very well, but I’ve found over time that the hub gear that is a direct drive (the middle position) works the best for normal riding. The “top” hub gear has the usual IGH drag. --Eric Norris campyo...@me.com javascript: www.campyonly.com campyonlyguy.blogspot.com On May 6, 2014, at 8:58 AM, Jim Bronson jim.b...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: This is an interesting concept, combining an IGH with an 11-36 cassette. Only part I don't like is the funky shifter. If it could be made to work with bar ends, that would be better. http://www.sram.com/sram/urban/products/sram-dd3-30 -- Keep the metal side up and the rubber side down! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.comjavascript: . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Old PSA from B-Stone about prices for bikes
Hey All, This was new to me, so maybe new to some of you all too. Regards, Chris Redding, Ca. http://www.bikerumor.com/2014/05/06/a-25-year-old-psa-on-the-price-of-bikes-from-bridgestone/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: How would your choice of Rivish Bike carry forward to your choice of automobile?
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v728/bulldog1935/1938_bugatti_t-57_sc_atlantic_electron_coupe.jpg Roadeo On Monday, May 5, 2014 10:47:34 PM UTC-5, Tom Virgil wrote: If you are going to say I ride a Rivendell bicycle, I don't need an automobile, God bless you. Seriously. But, assuming that your obsessive, compulsive personality (I have one of those) compels you to carry the threads of your pursuits to their extreme, logical conclusions, I believe that there are some choices out there. As with our bicycles, they would not be obtained through standard outlets. Just my opinion, but I think that as an Atlantis, A. Homer Hilsen, or Sam Hillborne owner, you might gravitate to this. http://bp3.blogger.com/_eMfw8PboF5U/Rzok9A9XD5I/B8g/3-_iCzTeypk/s1600/17_Big+Bertha_1.jpg Note that the owner has a beard (working on that for myself). I heard that the owner managed to convert the Seagrave fire truck engine to propane, so perhaps that helps with fuel costs. There is really only one choice for the owner of a Hunqapillar. The Hummer would be much too yesterday's trendy. To hades with the cost of fuel or effort. It must be a Dodge Power Wagon. http://moparplanet.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/dodge_power_wagon.jpg This bad boy will go anywhere you want, albeit with an unsynchonized manual transmission. Well, heck, we don't need no stinking SIS, do we? Betty Foy and Cheviot are more subtle. They demonstrate a certain amount of class and an attitude of nonchalance about girl's bike/boy's bike. They are nevertheless robust vehicles. Not having one, my suggestion would be the following. http://files.conceptcarz.com/img/Dodge/54_Dodge_Power_Wagon_DV-06_BJ_09.jpg I can only imagine Vancouver librarians rolling up to the book repositories (or straight through them, if desired) in Canadian state issued editions of these contrivances. ~Tom -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Old PSA from B-Stone about prices for bikes
In my past life I worked at a Cooperative Bike Shop in Berkeley (Missing Link). For a few years there I also did the books. We were a decently run medium sized shop during my run in the mid to late 90s. The big-picture view of our budget that I always carried around was that we'd always do $2million in annual sales. Total cost of goods sold $1.2million. That left $800,000 for a 40% gross margin. Our annual expenses were in the ballpark of $700,000 which was mostly paying 19 people their $12 an hour. That left $100,000 for a nice end of year bonus. So a full-timer could maybe approach $30,000 a year. That's about how it works. Some shops are bigger and some are smaller, but those are about the numbers. On Tuesday, May 6, 2014 9:32:40 AM UTC-7, Chris in Redding, Ca. wrote: Hey All, This was new to me, so maybe new to some of you all too. Regards, Chris Redding, Ca. http://www.bikerumor.com/2014/05/06/a-25-year-old-psa-on-the-price-of-bikes-from-bridgestone/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Drivetrains without a front derailer
SRAM bought Sachs in 1997, so that makes sense. They just probably took the same 3x7 system and added 8,9 and 10 speed cassettes to it. The reason I brought this up is that there's been some chatter on the group about 1x10 and 1x11 drivetrain setups. If someone wanted to not bother with a front derailer but still have a wide range of gearing options, this would be one way to go about giving up the front derailer but not giving up the functionality of having 3 ranges to choose from. That being said, these Dual Drive things seem to be unobtainium on the Internet. I couldn't find anyone selling them except some seedy Chinese sites, and at prices that are too expensive to make me want to consider it. Same goes for all the SRAM touring/trekking gear that might be of interest to the Rivendell and Rivendell-ish crowd. SRAM Via GT and Via Centro is what's aimed at the Trekking/Touring crowd on their website, and apparently comes in silver because I see the pictures. But you can't find anyone selling it except for a very few odds and ends on Amazon and eBay, and there's no information about whether it would be compatible with SRAM bar ends or not. Too bad, more competition drives innovation and keeps costs down. But if it really only exists on their website as a full groupset, what's the point? I've already wasted enough time looking for it. But anyway :) On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 11:07 AM, Patrick Moore bertin...@gmail.com wrote: This sort of system comes around regularly every decade or two. Sachs (I think?) had a 3X7 system back in the '90s, and before that someone manufactured adapted drivers for SA hubs that with longer axles accepted at least a 3 speed fw. When rebuilding an early Varsity I converted the drivetrain to 6 with a standard AW and two ordinary SA cogs, one an 18 reversed, dish inward, the other a 16 dish outward, and held on by tack welds to the driver -- this circa 1971 or 2. It worked very well with a Benelux pull chain rd. This sort of conversion made sense back in the days of pull chain rds, but with modern derailleur drivetrains with such wide ranges and so reliable, durable, and efficient, I wonder what advantage one would have with such a hybrid system. I seem to recall that the AW has relatively little internal friction in indirect gears compared to more sophisticated models, but this would leave you with the external complexity of a derailleur system and the friction of an internal system, no? On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 9:58 AM, Jim Bronson jim.bron...@gmail.com wrote: This is an interesting concept, combining an IGH with an 11-36 cassette. Only part I don't like is the funky shifter. If it could be made to work with bar ends, that would be better. http://www.sram.com/sram/urban/products/sram-dd3-30 -- Keep the metal side up and the rubber side down! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Resumes, LinkedIn profiles, and letters that get interviews. By-the-hour resume and LinkedIn coaching. Other professional writing services. http://www.resumespecialties.com/ Patrick Moore Albuquerque, Nouvelle Mexique, Etats Unis * In yourself right now is all the place you've got. Flannery O'Connor -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Keep the metal side up and the rubber side down! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: How would your choice of Rivish Bike carry forward to your choice of automobile?
I have a Kia Rondo, which while unexciting as can be, conforms to the idea of having one bike for every purpose. I've hauled everything from people to (2) bikes with both wheels attached to 20 8 foot sections of 2x4's, about 50 paver stones, trees, tools, paint, mulch, etc. It has a 4 cylinder and gets 22-24 mpg around town, 26-27 on the highway. Not economy car great but not full size SUV horrible either. On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 2:06 AM, IanA attew...@gmail.com wrote: It's got to be Citroen: - http://www.boldride.com/ride/1955/citroen-ds-19 On Monday, May 5, 2014 11:20:56 PM UTC-6, Christopher Chen wrote: Only one thing comes to mind On May 5, 2014 9:43 PM, Peter Morgano uscpet...@gmail.com wrote: Classic Simpsons. Danny devito as the long lost brother, awesome. On May 6, 2014 12:36 AM, cyclotourist cyclot...@gmail.com wrote: Fun fact: I was looking up images for homer car when I came across the third one! *http://tinyurl.com/n2zhorj http://tinyurl.com/n2zhorj* Cheers, David it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride. - Seth Vidal On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 9:34 PM, Coconutbill evan@gmail.com wrote: a. homer ! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Keep the metal side up and the rubber side down! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Drivetrains without a front derailer
Jim, Your LBS can get the SRAM Dual Drive! I'm looking at it, in stock, on QBP right now. MSRP $158 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Drivetrains without a front derailer
How does the layman search the QBP catalog? On May 6, 2014 12:51 PM, Scot Brooks scothinck...@gmail.com wrote: Jim, Your LBS can get the SRAM Dual Drive! I'm looking at it, in stock, on QBP right now. MSRP $158 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Drivetrains without a front derailer
The things people come up with to eliminate the front derailer! Says you can shift without lift; dunno, that's contrary to everything I've heard about shifting an IGH. If simplicity is the goal, stick with the stick. dougP On Tuesday, May 6, 2014 8:58:22 AM UTC-7, Jim Bronson wrote: This is an interesting concept, combining an IGH with an 11-36 cassette. Only part I don't like is the funky shifter. If it could be made to work with bar ends, that would be better. http://www.sram.com/sram/urban/products/sram-dd3-30 -- Keep the metal side up and the rubber side down! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] What is the advantage of expensive hubs?
when I was spec'ing out my Sweetpea build, I specified the same component set as the Bleriot - the shiny silver curvy Shimano compatible gruppo :-) Bleriot has a Shimano rear hub of some variety; still going strong after 13000 miles. For Sweetpea, the builder suggested several hubs, and I was leaning toward the Suzue Classica, until I looked at the White H3. Shinier. Curvier. Lighter. MUSA. a bit more expensive, but at this point I was beyond worrying about that. 14500 miles. One overhaul after being drowned on a flooded road. Still very, very shiny. The wheel still spins forever. Worth every penny. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Drivetrains without a front derailer
As one who seeks simplicity in everything, I do not recognize it in this set up. Front derailure seems far more simple to me. With abandon, Patrick -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Old PSA from B-Stone about prices for bikes
That one comes around from time to time but worth being reminded. Why people think bike shops make tons of money is a mystery to me. The BMW parked in front of the bike shop belongs to a customer. dougP On Tuesday, May 6, 2014 9:32:40 AM UTC-7, Chris in Redding, Ca. wrote: Hey All, This was new to me, so maybe new to some of you all too. Regards, Chris Redding, Ca. http://www.bikerumor.com/2014/05/06/a-25-year-old-psa-on-the-price-of-bikes-from-bridgestone/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Drivetrains without a front derailer
Jim asked: How does the layman search the QBP catalog? I assume you are asking about access, not techniques for searching for hard to find things. If that is correct, I'm sure there are several ways. Many shops have a copy on the counter without any prices in it. That way you can browse for whatever for hours, and then say quote me a price for this When I'm sitting here on my butt and want to look through QBP I go to Harris Cyclery's Website http://harriscyclery.net/ and click on the special order catalog link in the upper left. That's the QBP catalog, served up just for you. You can lose yourself for days in there. On Tuesday, May 6, 2014 11:08:58 AM UTC-7, Jim Bronson wrote: How does the layman search the QBP catalog? On May 6, 2014 12:51 PM, Scot Brooks scothi...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: Jim, Your LBS can get the SRAM Dual Drive! I'm looking at it, in stock, on QBP right now. MSRP $158 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.comjavascript: . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Drivetrains without a front derailer
Hi Jim, You need a dealer log-in to search, at least as far as I know. We let customers look stuff up at our shop, and I bet your LBS would too. Patrick, I'd think that is it better for me? would be higher on your list than which one's simpler?. Simple sometimes means MIG welding some straight gauge tube into a triangle, and complicated sometimes means brazing some lugs and slapping on fancy paint. Which to choose? I've not tried this actual hub so I can't pass judgment, but I'm not exactly in love with, or devoted to, any single component, brand, or concept as far as drive trains are concerned. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] How would your choice of Rivish Bike carry forward to your choice of automobile?
I'll also be in the market for my second Element at some point. 115,000 miles on mine, and still going strong. For those who haven't driven one, the Element is somewhat unique among small SUVs in that you can roll a full-sized bike into it without taking the wheels off. Two bikes fit inside easily; you can fit three bikes and riders with a little doing. Changing into/out of bike clothes is also facilitated by the height of the cabin, and in a pinch you can fold the seats into a sort of lumpy bed. All this, and the inside is also easy to clean (but don't take a hose to it -- that's an urban legend). --Eric Norris campyonly...@me.com www.campyonly.com campyonlyguy.blogspot.com On May 6, 2014, at 7:30 AM, Montclair BobbyB montclairbob...@gmail.com wrote: I like to think my bike and car preferences are well-aligned... I go for functional, practical, comfortable, fun... I'm on my second Element, and (since it has been discontinued) I'm always on the lookout for the 'next' one with low miles to drive for the next 10 years (unless something better comes along... NAH... not likely)... On Monday, May 5, 2014 11:47:34 PM UTC-4, Tom Virgil wrote: If you are going to say I ride a Rivendell bicycle, I don't need an automobile, God bless you. Seriously. But, assuming that your obsessive, compulsive personality (I have one of those) compels you to carry the threads of your pursuits to their extreme, logical conclusions, I believe that there are some choices out there. As with our bicycles, they would not be obtained through standard outlets. Just my opinion, but I think that as an Atlantis, A. Homer Hilsen, or Sam Hillborne owner, you might gravitate to this. Note that the owner has a beard (working on that for myself). I heard that the owner managed to convert the Seagrave fire truck engine to propane, so perhaps that helps with fuel costs. There is really only one choice for the owner of a Hunqapillar. The Hummer would be much too yesterday's trendy. To hades with the cost of fuel or effort. It must be a Dodge Power Wagon. This bad boy will go anywhere you want, albeit with an unsynchonized manual transmission. Well, heck, we don't need no stinking SIS, do we? Betty Foy and Cheviot are more subtle. They demonstrate a certain amount of class and an attitude of nonchalance about girl's bike/boy's bike. They are nevertheless robust vehicles. Not having one, my suggestion would be the following. I can only imagine Vancouver librarians rolling up to the book repositories (or straight through them, if desired) in Canadian state issued editions of these contrivances. ~Tom -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Old PSA from B-Stone about prices for bikes
I work at a bike shop, but thankfully not one that sells new bikes. We find nice old steel road and touring bikes, fix them up the way we like, put our own sort of hand-shake-promise-warranty on them, and sell them for a modest profit. We rarely get hagglers or people who want to price shop us (on new parts, or helmets, etc.) against the internet, but it happens. It can feel really crappy when it does because it feels like the customer is saying our thing is worth less, or our time is worth less, or whatever. They're just trying to save money, but it seems to me that you'd only want to make a purchase in a place where you trust the people who work there. When you trust them, you believe they'll be fair and honest with you. I didn't give up the corporate world of Business Development/Marketing to work in a bike shop because it was going to get me rich. I did it because I'd rather be doing it, and the nice people far outweigh the not-so-nice ones. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Drivetrains without a front derailer
Very true, Scot. There s a lot of complexity in discovering simple. Grin. With abandon, Patrick On Tuesday, May 6, 2014 12:34:36 PM UTC-6, Scot Brooks wrote: Hi Jim, You need a dealer log-in to search, at least as far as I know. We let customers look stuff up at our shop, and I bet your LBS would too. Patrick, I'd think that is it better for me? would be higher on your list than which one's simpler?. Simple sometimes means MIG welding some straight gauge tube into a triangle, and complicated sometimes means brazing some lugs and slapping on fancy paint. Which to choose? I've not tried this actual hub so I can't pass judgment, but I'm not exactly in love with, or devoted to, any single component, brand, or concept as far as drive trains are concerned. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: What is the advantage of expensive hubs?
Lots of interesting posts here, although rather off topic. I'd like to come back to the OP original question. How much value does the buyer get from hi end vs. low end hubs? There are a number of variables - how much maintenance, how long the life expectancy, how smooth the bearings, how big the price differential? And, I think its fair to ask how much of the original low cost comes with exploitation of the people who make the parts. I ride a bike to feel good, not to practice denial about my fellow wo/man. I agree the old campy SR NR hubs, which were expensive to buy actually turned out to be a great value because they lasted one day shy of forever. I have only recently retired my last NR hub when the threads for the freewheel gave out after tens of thousands of miles. They did need to be overhauled regularly, but this was a pretty easy process, requiring 13 14 mm cone wrenches. They have a well designed lock washer which makes adjustment really easy. My experience has been that Ultegra hubs also have a pretty long life expectancy but are not quite as easy to overhaul or adjust as the campys. However my experience with 105 hubs has been less than satisfactory. I bought a pair for my commuter. Admittedly my commute was more hub challenging than most - 30 miles round trip, including 10 miles of dirt roads, and life in green and rainy Vermont. The 105 hubs did not seal as well as either the campy or ultra hubs and required much more frequent overhaul than them. Further, for some reason I never fathomed they did not hold there adjustment. I would meticulously adjust them only to find them a bit loose a month later. It wasn't just me, a local pro mechanic chastised my hub adjustment but I found his faulty the next time I checked them. Over the past few years I have gone exclusively to White Ind hubs. My tandem, my rambouillet and my trek all have WI hubs. Only my Saluki has the the XTR hubs it came with. These hubs are about $100 less than Phil Wood, about the same as Ultegra, have never required a minute of maintenance, will no doubt will out live me, and were made by people being paid a living wage and working in a safe environment. My professional career included a stint as a cost engineer for IBM. I learned that virtually everything has a cost performance curve with one or two sharp breaks in it. Quality improves rapidly up to a certain point, then cost rise much more rapidly than value add. And off course there is individual utility. If you are heading out for Terra del Fuego then by every penny spent on a phil wood hubs will yield 10 fold in piece of mind. OTOH if all you are doing is going 3 miles across town to the office, 105 is no doubt the way to go. If you only ride three times a year then the only argument left against $25 hubs is the life of the worker, not the life of the hub. Michael On Monday, May 5, 2014 11:14:15 AM UTC-4, Jim Bronson wrote: Pricing out parts for my build, the cost difference in hubs between the bling hubs and say Shimano hubs are pretty noticable. A Chris King, Phil Wood, et. al, are quite expensive, $350ish in the case of the Chris King, $400+ in the case of the Phil. On the other hand, I found Tiagra 4600 rear hubs for as little as $24.45 online, and 105 5700 rear hubs for $43.45. Now we all know that Shimano hubs are loose ball bearing hubs, but in practice what is the functional deficiency if the bearing preload is properly adjusted? Some people seem to think the 105 hub is better sealed than the Tiagra and if so would be worth $19 to me. But if not...? Rivendell sells 105 5500 hubs on their site, so they must not be that bad. To give some more background, I have a Chris King hub on a frame I was planning on selling. The plan was to re-use the CK hub on my new build. Different wheel size, so I would need to start over with new rims and spokes either way. But if I could sell the CK for $200 or more, and replace it with say a 105 or even a Deore hub, that would help me get my build together faster. The new frame is spaced 132.5 so can take 130 or 135. I also don't love the fact that the CK hub needs to be taken apart and re-lubed yearly. I had an issue before with the lube drying out and causing the hub to be sticky on transition from pedaling to coasting when my service interval was too long. That being said, the polished silver CK is a bit more aesthetically pleasing than the dull silver Shimano hubs. My main criteria is that the hub is sealed well against water intrusion and rolls down the road easily. Low maintenance is a plus. A difference in weight of 100 grams is not meaningful to me. Bling is nice, but my priority is function over form. It does need to be silver, of course. Replacing the CK with a mid-priced cartridge bearing hub might be another option. The Velo Orange hubs look pretty nice. I'm guessing they would
[RBW] Re: What is the advantage of expensive hubs?
Hi Jim others, Thought I'd share my experience. I'm not planning to buy boutique hubs again, mainly because service is difficult to come by outside the US. I had a Phil Wood hub go bad within about 3–6 months (failed ratchet ring). The tools for replacing the ratchet ring are apparently not available to bike shops, so only Phil Wood HQ could fix it. The hub was out of warranty when I finally contacted them (it took me ages to work out the problem was coming from the hub). They told me that I should've been servicing it regularly, and quoted $165 plus shipping from Australia to the US and back. Long story short, after I asked again they agreed to look at the hub, and after I returned it to them they sent me a new hub for free. The bike was out of action for several weeks while the hub was being shipped back and forth but I really appreciated that they gave me a new hub when they weren't obliged to. Unfortunately, the new hub is now starting to show the same symptoms as the old one. I guess it's just bad luck—they're really nice hubs and I know most people have decades of trouble-free service from them, but I'll eventually just replace it with a Shimano LX or XT or something rather than go through the whole procedure of returning it again. Tom -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: What is the advantage of expensive hubs?
Michael, I enjoyed your post quite a bit, but the one part I would have to quibble with is the cost of Ultegra hubs vs. White Industries' hubs. You said they were on par. I can get an Ultegra for about 1/3rd of the cost of the White Industries hub. For example, http://www.ebikestop.com/shimano_ultegra_6800_36h_11_speed_rear_hub-HU6713.php This is the least expensive White Industries' hub I found in a few minutes of Google searching, my application has 132.5 spacing so I do either, this one is 135. (The T11 road hub is more $$): https://www.benscycle.com/p-3723-white-industries-m15-rear-hub.aspx?zmam=67843234zmas=1zmac=1zmap=9308gclid=CO2P16CKmL4CFUQF7AodjFcA2g Your discussion of 105 vs Ultegra is pretty interesting also and got me to thinking about what could be different. I guess it depends on what series we are talking about. It seems that Shimano practices a sort of technology trickle down of sorts. For example this generation Ultegra integrates features that were new on Dura Ace's last generation, and 105 integrates features that were new on Dura Ace two generations ago, and so forth. Of course, neither applies to fancy metals like titanium and so forth, those are probably always going to be a Dura Ace only feature. Shimano has some pretty extensive technical documentation, so I found the doc for the exploded view of the 5600 series 105 rear hub. http://techdocs.shimano.com/media/techdocs/content/cycle/EV/bikecomponents/FH/EV-FH-5600-2458C_v1_m56577569830728267.pdf It seems that the seal ring(s) are the same part that are used on the 6600 series Ultegra, but that other parts of the lock nut unit differ. I don't know which one of those that differ would cause it to not hold adjustment. Being that the seal unit is the same though, the hubs not sealing as well is a bit curious. Perhaps then, you were using a 6700 series Ultegra? http://techdocs.shimano.com/media/techdocs/content/cycle/EV/bikecomponents/FH/EV-FH-6700-2932_v1_m56577569830670816.pdf This unit seems to have much less in common with the 6600 and 5600 units. The SKUs for the lock nut unit and the seals are not interchangeable with the 6600/5600 units. There also seems to be less individual components to the exploded view of the lock nut units on these hubs. Now, the current production 105 hub is the 5700 series. It appears to be more similar to the 6700 series Ultegra hub, but unfortunately compatibility is only listed in the tech document between the 5700 and older 105 series hubs. So you have to manually compare SKUs. The left hand seal unit is the same on the 5700 and 6700 hubs. The right hand unit has a slightly different part number. http://techdocs.shimano.com/media/techdocs/content/cycle/EV/bikecomponents/FH/EV-FH-5700-3006A_v1_m56577569830702943.pdf Anyway, I guess my conclusion would be, I'm thinking you were not comparing hubs of the same technology level, maybe a 6700 versus a 5600, or a 6600 vs a 5500. Sorry this is so long, just thought it was interesting. -Jim On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 2:06 PM, Michael Hechmer mhech...@gmail.com wrote: Lots of interesting posts here, although rather off topic. I'd like to come back to the OP original question. How much value does the buyer get from hi end vs. low end hubs? There are a number of variables - how much maintenance, how long the life expectancy, how smooth the bearings, how big the price differential? And, I think its fair to ask how much of the original low cost comes with exploitation of the people who make the parts. I ride a bike to feel good, not to practice denial about my fellow wo/man. I agree the old campy SR NR hubs, which were expensive to buy actually turned out to be a great value because they lasted one day shy of forever. I have only recently retired my last NR hub when the threads for the freewheel gave out after tens of thousands of miles. They did need to be overhauled regularly, but this was a pretty easy process, requiring 13 14 mm cone wrenches. They have a well designed lock washer which makes adjustment really easy. My experience has been that Ultegra hubs also have a pretty long life expectancy but are not quite as easy to overhaul or adjust as the campys. However my experience with 105 hubs has been less than satisfactory. I bought a pair for my commuter. Admittedly my commute was more hub challenging than most - 30 miles round trip, including 10 miles of dirt roads, and life in green and rainy Vermont. The 105 hubs did not seal as well as either the campy or ultra hubs and required much more frequent overhaul than them. Further, for some reason I never fathomed they did not hold there adjustment. I would meticulously adjust them only to find them a bit loose a month later. It wasn't just me, a local pro mechanic chastised my hub adjustment but I found his faulty the next time I checked them. Over the past few years I have gone exclusively to White Ind hubs. My tandem, my
Re: [RBW] How would your choice of Rivish Bike carry forward to your choice of automobile?
I owned a '78 MGB roadster that could be said to embody some of the old world/new world straddling design features of a Rivendell. (picture not mine, but mine was nearly identical. Mine had a tan interior). However, that MGB more closely resembles what Raleigh and all of British industry became by the end of the 70s: a shadow of its former self. It had all the mechanical foibles (if it's not leaking oil, it's empty) of any British car but less of the fun; the power and handling were heavily comprimised by US crash standards and emissions. Whereas, Rivendell is a phoenix rising from the ashes of the traditional US bike industry, not a compromised last gasp. It was quite unreliable, but handsome. My Riv Road is reliable, versatile, capable, and handsome. British Racing Green is a great color; I have a Triumph Sprint motorcycle in that color and would love a deep green Rivendell. If I ever order a new Riv, it will be a metallic BRG. I've also owned an 04 Cadillac CTS-V, a sport sedan with a Corvette V-8 and 6-speed stick. Lots of fun, but expensive to own. It resembles my Rivendell as a MUSA masterpiece, but lacks the old-world touch (unless you count all Cadillacs as old-world, but this one was pretty modern). It also embodied my bike riding style: heavy and fast. I've given up cars as toys; bikes and motorcycles are better suited and more economical. My current car is an 02 Nissan Frontier crew cab pickup. It carries my kids, camping gear, a canoe, a bunch of bikes, dirty stuff, and big stuff just fine. Sometimes all at once. It doesn't have the expressive personality of a Riv, but I bought it for its practicality, not its character. If only I could equip the Frontier with a diesel engine the rest of the world gets. 30mpg in a compact pickup would be awesome. On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 1:44 PM, Eric Norris campyonly...@me.com wrote: I’ll also be in the market for my second Element at some point. 115,000 miles on mine, and still going strong. For those who haven’t driven one, the Element is somewhat unique among small SUVs in that you can roll a full-sized bike into it without taking the wheels off. Two bikes fit inside easily; you can fit three bikes and riders with a little doing. Changing into/out of bike clothes is also facilitated by the height of the cabin, and in a pinch you can fold the seats into a sort of lumpy bed. All this, and the inside is also easy to clean (but don’t take a hose to it — that’s an urban legend). --Eric Norris campyonly...@me.com www.campyonly.com campyonlyguy.blogspot.com On May 6, 2014, at 7:30 AM, Montclair BobbyB montclairbob...@gmail.com wrote: I like to think my bike and car preferences are well-aligned... I go for functional, practical, comfortable, fun... I'm on my second Element, and (since it has been discontinued) I'm always on the lookout for the 'next' one with low miles to drive for the next 10 years (unless something better comes along... NAH... not likely)... https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-h1ZGAlz4Ll8/U2jxDzI1jeI/Em4/aoAtJ2R-e5g/s1600/Element+on+Ferry.JPG On Monday, May 5, 2014 11:47:34 PM UTC-4, Tom Virgil wrote: If you are going to say I ride a Rivendell bicycle, I don't need an automobile, God bless you. Seriously. But, assuming that your obsessive, compulsive personality (I have one of those) compels you to carry the threads of your pursuits to their extreme, logical conclusions, I believe that there are some choices out there. As with our bicycles, they would not be obtained through standard outlets. Just my opinion, but I think that as an Atlantis, A. Homer Hilsen, or Sam Hillborne owner, you might gravitate to this. http://bp3.blogger.com/_eMfw8PboF5U/Rzok9A9XD5I/B8g/3-_iCzTeypk/s1600/17_Big+Bertha_1.jpg Note that the owner has a beard (working on that for myself). I heard that the owner managed to convert the Seagrave fire truck engine to propane, so perhaps that helps with fuel costs. There is really only one choice for the owner of a Hunqapillar. The Hummer would be much too yesterday's trendy. To hades with the cost of fuel or effort. It must be a Dodge Power Wagon. http://moparplanet.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/dodge_power_wagon.jpg This bad boy will go anywhere you want, albeit with an unsynchonized manual transmission. Well, heck, we don't need no stinking SIS, do we? Betty Foy and Cheviot are more subtle. They demonstrate a certain amount of class and an attitude of nonchalance about girl's bike/boy's bike. They are nevertheless robust vehicles. Not having one, my suggestion would be the following. http://files.conceptcarz.com/img/Dodge/54_Dodge_Power_Wagon_DV-06_BJ_09.jpg I can only imagine Vancouver librarians rolling up to the book repositories (or straight through them, if desired) in Canadian state issued editions of these contrivances. ~Tom -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google
Re: [RBW] How would your choice of Rivish Bike carry forward to your choice of automobile?
I'm right there with you, Tim. My experience of riding my Hunqapillar, and perhaps even more so the QB in a few weeks, is that of a fine, flowing roadster. I've driven a number of them, but am not an enthusiast so couldn't speak as eloquently as you about the similarities and differences of the mechanics and build, but the quality of the ride and experience of the ride matches. With abandon, Patrick On Tuesday, May 6, 2014 2:53:55 PM UTC-6, Tim Gavin wrote: I owned a '78 MGB roadster that could be said to embody some of the old world/new world straddling design features of a Rivendell. (picture not mine, but mine was nearly identical. Mine had a tan interior). However, that MGB more closely resembles what Raleigh and all of British industry became by the end of the 70s: a shadow of its former self. It had all the mechanical foibles (if it's not leaking oil, it's empty) of any British car but less of the fun; the power and handling were heavily comprimised by US crash standards and emissions. Whereas, Rivendell is a phoenix rising from the ashes of the traditional US bike industry, not a compromised last gasp. It was quite unreliable, but handsome. My Riv Road is reliable, versatile, capable, and handsome. British Racing Green is a great color; I have a Triumph Sprint motorcycle in that color and would love a deep green Rivendell. If I ever order a new Riv, it will be a metallic BRG. I've also owned an 04 Cadillac CTS-V, a sport sedan with a Corvette V-8 and 6-speed stick. Lots of fun, but expensive to own. It resembles my Rivendell as a MUSA masterpiece, but lacks the old-world touch (unless you count all Cadillacs as old-world, but this one was pretty modern). It also embodied my bike riding style: heavy and fast. I've given up cars as toys; bikes and motorcycles are better suited and more economical. My current car is an 02 Nissan Frontier crew cab pickup. It carries my kids, camping gear, a canoe, a bunch of bikes, dirty stuff, and big stuff just fine. Sometimes all at once. It doesn't have the expressive personality of a Riv, but I bought it for its practicality, not its character. If only I could equip the Frontier with a diesel engine the rest of the world gets. 30mpg in a compact pickup would be awesome. On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 1:44 PM, Eric Norris campyo...@me.comjavascript: wrote: I’ll also be in the market for my second Element at some point. 115,000 miles on mine, and still going strong. For those who haven’t driven one, the Element is somewhat unique among small SUVs in that you can roll a full-sized bike into it without taking the wheels off. Two bikes fit inside easily; you can fit three bikes and riders with a little doing. Changing into/out of bike clothes is also facilitated by the height of the cabin, and in a pinch you can fold the seats into a sort of lumpy bed. All this, and the inside is also easy to clean (but don’t take a hose to it — that’s an urban legend). --Eric Norris campyo...@me.com javascript: www.campyonly.com campyonlyguy.blogspot.com On May 6, 2014, at 7:30 AM, Montclair BobbyB montcla...@gmail.comjavascript: wrote: I like to think my bike and car preferences are well-aligned... I go for functional, practical, comfortable, fun... I'm on my second Element, and (since it has been discontinued) I'm always on the lookout for the 'next' one with low miles to drive for the next 10 years (unless something better comes along... NAH... not likely)... https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-h1ZGAlz4Ll8/U2jxDzI1jeI/Em4/aoAtJ2R-e5g/s1600/Element+on+Ferry.JPG On Monday, May 5, 2014 11:47:34 PM UTC-4, Tom Virgil wrote: If you are going to say I ride a Rivendell bicycle, I don't need an automobile, God bless you. Seriously. But, assuming that your obsessive, compulsive personality (I have one of those) compels you to carry the threads of your pursuits to their extreme, logical conclusions, I believe that there are some choices out there. As with our bicycles, they would not be obtained through standard outlets. Just my opinion, but I think that as an Atlantis, A. Homer Hilsen, or Sam Hillborne owner, you might gravitate to this. http://bp3.blogger.com/_eMfw8PboF5U/Rzok9A9XD5I/B8g/3-_iCzTeypk/s1600/17_Big+Bertha_1.jpg Note that the owner has a beard (working on that for myself). I heard that the owner managed to convert the Seagrave fire truck engine to propane, so perhaps that helps with fuel costs. There is really only one choice for the owner of a Hunqapillar. The Hummer would be much too yesterday's trendy. To hades with the cost of fuel or effort. It must be a Dodge Power Wagon. http://moparplanet.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/dodge_power_wagon.jpg This bad boy will go anywhere you want, albeit with an unsynchonized manual transmission. Well, heck, we don't need no stinking SIS, do we?
Re: [RBW] How would your choice of Rivish Bike carry forward to your choice of automobile?
Patrick- Yes. My Riv just feels so great and rolls so well. It works with me, flexes a bit, stiffens a bit, and together we just move like stink. I've never really experienced the same symbiosis with another machine. Anything with an engine to make it fast also makes it heavy. Even my motorcycles are ponderous at low speeds and require deliberate input. Now, when I'm on a twisty road, flying through the curves and using my hips to lean back and forth, my Triumph starts to feel like a part of me. But not nearly as naturally as my Riv. My other bikes are pretty great (I have a couple other nice bikes), but me and the Riv are on another level. Another exhilarating vehicle is the B-1 bomber, on which I crewed as a navigator. But again, you're just a flea on the back of that supersonic beast. It doesn't move with you, it moves how you force it. But what amazing moves! On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 4:00 PM, Deacon Patrick lamontg...@mac.com wrote: I'm right there with you, Tim. My experience of riding my Hunqapillar, and perhaps even more so the QB in a few weeks, is that of a fine, flowing roadster. I've driven a number of them, but am not an enthusiast so couldn't speak as eloquently as you about the similarities and differences of the mechanics and build, but the quality of the ride and experience of the ride matches. With abandon, Patrick -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: grease for son hub connectors
Hey all. Thanks for the help. Ted -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] How would your choice of Rivish Bike carry forward to your choice of automobile?
Well said again, Tim. A Rivendell rides like what a fine flowing roadster yearns to be, strives to be, and sometimes nearly achieves for passing glimpses because it can not free itself the ponderous engine. On my recent dirt road ride this past weekend, I delighted at the fact that I was faster both up hill (barely) and down (by a wide margin) than a pickup on the same road for all the bumps and rocks they had to bounce over that I could just flow through or around on a single flowing river of fun! With abandon, Patrick On Tuesday, May 6, 2014 3:12:48 PM UTC-6, Tim Gavin wrote: Patrick- Yes. My Riv just feels so great and rolls so well. It works with me, flexes a bit, stiffens a bit, and together we just move like stink. I've never really experienced the same symbiosis with another machine. Anything with an engine to make it fast also makes it heavy. Even my motorcycles are ponderous at low speeds and require deliberate input. Now, when I'm on a twisty road, flying through the curves and using my hips to lean back and forth, my Triumph starts to feel like a part of me. But not nearly as naturally as my Riv. My other bikes are pretty great (I have a couple other nice bikes), but me and the Riv are on another level. Another exhilarating vehicle is the B-1 bomber, on which I crewed as a navigator. But again, you're just a flea on the back of that supersonic beast. It doesn't move with you, it moves how you force it. But what amazing moves! On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 4:00 PM, Deacon Patrick lamon...@mac.comjavascript: wrote: I'm right there with you, Tim. My experience of riding my Hunqapillar, and perhaps even more so the QB in a few weeks, is that of a fine, flowing roadster. I've driven a number of them, but am not an enthusiast so couldn't speak as eloquently as you about the similarities and differences of the mechanics and build, but the quality of the ride and experience of the ride matches. With abandon, Patrick -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] How would your choice of Rivish Bike carry forward to your choice of automobile?
I'm on my second Subaru Legacy wagon which holds so much yet gets over 30 mpg on trips and 26-28 in town. I got 32.5 to Florida and back but unfortunately they don't import them anymore. I like its way of being sensible and purposeful like a Rivendell but my Homer gives me a bigger smile. David On May 6, 2014, at 1:26 PM, Jim Bronson jim.bron...@gmail.com wrote: I have a Kia Rondo, which while unexciting as can be, conforms to the idea of having one bike for every purpose. I've hauled everything from people to (2) bikes with both wheels attached to 20 8 foot sections of 2x4's, about 50 paver stones, trees, tools, paint, mulch, etc. It has a 4 cylinder and gets 22-24 mpg around town, 26-27 on the highway. Not economy car great but not full size SUV horrible either. On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 2:06 AM, IanA attew...@gmail.com wrote: It's got to be Citroen: - http://www.boldride.com/ride/1955/citroen-ds-19 On Monday, May 5, 2014 11:20:56 PM UTC-6, Christopher Chen wrote: Only one thing comes to mind On May 5, 2014 9:43 PM, Peter Morgano uscpet...@gmail.com wrote: Classic Simpsons. Danny devito as the long lost brother, awesome. On May 6, 2014 12:36 AM, cyclotourist cyclot...@gmail.com wrote: Fun fact: I was looking up images for homer car when I came across the third one! http://tinyurl.com/n2zhorj Cheers, David it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride. - Seth Vidal On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 9:34 PM, Coconutbill evan@gmail.com wrote: a. homer ! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Keep the metal side up and the rubber side down! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: How would your choice of Rivish Bike carry forward to your choice of automobile?
Mercedes G Wagon :) Yes Yes and Yes ! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: What is the advantage of expensive hubs?
For rear hubs, if I want to go the best I can possibly get for UBER-cheap, I like to go used Shimano M737. $25-$30 used. Tremendous value, and they come with one of the best QR skewers of all time. If I'm sparing no expense, White Industries. I have sworn off aluminum cassette bodies forever. On Monday, May 5, 2014 8:14:15 AM UTC-7, Jim Bronson wrote: Pricing out parts for my build, the cost difference in hubs between the bling hubs and say Shimano hubs are pretty noticable. A Chris King, Phil Wood, et. al, are quite expensive, $350ish in the case of the Chris King, $400+ in the case of the Phil. On the other hand, I found Tiagra 4600 rear hubs for as little as $24.45 online, and 105 5700 rear hubs for $43.45. Now we all know that Shimano hubs are loose ball bearing hubs, but in practice what is the functional deficiency if the bearing preload is properly adjusted? Some people seem to think the 105 hub is better sealed than the Tiagra and if so would be worth $19 to me. But if not...? Rivendell sells 105 5500 hubs on their site, so they must not be that bad. To give some more background, I have a Chris King hub on a frame I was planning on selling. The plan was to re-use the CK hub on my new build. Different wheel size, so I would need to start over with new rims and spokes either way. But if I could sell the CK for $200 or more, and replace it with say a 105 or even a Deore hub, that would help me get my build together faster. The new frame is spaced 132.5 so can take 130 or 135. I also don't love the fact that the CK hub needs to be taken apart and re-lubed yearly. I had an issue before with the lube drying out and causing the hub to be sticky on transition from pedaling to coasting when my service interval was too long. That being said, the polished silver CK is a bit more aesthetically pleasing than the dull silver Shimano hubs. My main criteria is that the hub is sealed well against water intrusion and rolls down the road easily. Low maintenance is a plus. A difference in weight of 100 grams is not meaningful to me. Bling is nice, but my priority is function over form. It does need to be silver, of course. Replacing the CK with a mid-priced cartridge bearing hub might be another option. The Velo Orange hubs look pretty nice. I'm guessing they would probably would require less maintenance than the CK hubs and if the cartridge bearings are of good quality they would probably be well sealed. -Jim -- Keep the metal side up and the rubber side down! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: How would your choice of Rivish Bike carry forward to your choice of automobile?
However, I think this is a pretty Rivendellian auto: [image: http://static.ddmcdn.com/gif/duesenberg-cars-3.jpg] Duesenberg. Gorgeous, fast, MUSA, at the top of their game. On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 5:12 PM, Garth garth...@gmail.com wrote: Mercedes G Wagon :) Yes Yes and Yes ! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: How would your choice of Rivish Bike carry forward to your choice of automobile?
hello, it's a type 57 Bug http://www.supercarfrance.com/Villa_d_Este_09/Part-1/01-Bugatti_57S_Atalante.jpg is this thing on? On Tuesday, May 6, 2014 11:57:32 AM UTC-5, Ron Mc wrote: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v728/bulldog1935/1938_bugatti_t-57_sc_atlantic_electron_coupe.jpg Roadeo On Monday, May 5, 2014 10:47:34 PM UTC-5, Tom Virgil wrote: If you are going to say I ride a Rivendell bicycle, I don't need an automobile, God bless you. Seriously. But, assuming that your obsessive, compulsive personality (I have one of those) compels you to carry the threads of your pursuits to their extreme, logical conclusions, I believe that there are some choices out there. As with our bicycles, they would not be obtained through standard outlets. Just my opinion, but I think that as an Atlantis, A. Homer Hilsen, or Sam Hillborne owner, you might gravitate to this. http://bp3.blogger.com/_eMfw8PboF5U/Rzok9A9XD5I/B8g/3-_iCzTeypk/s1600/17_Big+Bertha_1.jpg Note that the owner has a beard (working on that for myself). I heard that the owner managed to convert the Seagrave fire truck engine to propane, so perhaps that helps with fuel costs. There is really only one choice for the owner of a Hunqapillar. The Hummer would be much too yesterday's trendy. To hades with the cost of fuel or effort. It must be a Dodge Power Wagon. http://moparplanet.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/dodge_power_wagon.jpg This bad boy will go anywhere you want, albeit with an unsynchonized manual transmission. Well, heck, we don't need no stinking SIS, do we? Betty Foy and Cheviot are more subtle. They demonstrate a certain amount of class and an attitude of nonchalance about girl's bike/boy's bike. They are nevertheless robust vehicles. Not having one, my suggestion would be the following. http://files.conceptcarz.com/img/Dodge/54_Dodge_Power_Wagon_DV-06_BJ_09.jpg I can only imagine Vancouver librarians rolling up to the book repositories (or straight through them, if desired) in Canadian state issued editions of these contrivances. ~Tom -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: What is the advantage of expensive hubs?
I saw one of those M737 hubs NOS on fleabay and also some used ones. They look nice and high-polish shiny. I assume they are 8/9/10 compatible, yes? Info was not available on the Shimano techdocs website :( I think they purge anything document related that's more than around 3 or 4 generations old. On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 5:14 PM, Bill Lindsay tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: For rear hubs, if I want to go the best I can possibly get for UBER-cheap, I like to go used Shimano M737. $25-$30 used. Tremendous value, and they come with one of the best QR skewers of all time. If I'm sparing no expense, White Industries. I have sworn off aluminum cassette bodies forever. On Monday, May 5, 2014 8:14:15 AM UTC-7, Jim Bronson wrote: Pricing out parts for my build, the cost difference in hubs between the bling hubs and say Shimano hubs are pretty noticable. A Chris King, Phil Wood, et. al, are quite expensive, $350ish in the case of the Chris King, $400+ in the case of the Phil. On the other hand, I found Tiagra 4600 rear hubs for as little as $24.45 online, and 105 5700 rear hubs for $43.45. Now we all know that Shimano hubs are loose ball bearing hubs, but in practice what is the functional deficiency if the bearing preload is properly adjusted? Some people seem to think the 105 hub is better sealed than the Tiagra and if so would be worth $19 to me. But if not...? Rivendell sells 105 5500 hubs on their site, so they must not be that bad. To give some more background, I have a Chris King hub on a frame I was planning on selling. The plan was to re-use the CK hub on my new build. Different wheel size, so I would need to start over with new rims and spokes either way. But if I could sell the CK for $200 or more, and replace it with say a 105 or even a Deore hub, that would help me get my build together faster. The new frame is spaced 132.5 so can take 130 or 135. I also don't love the fact that the CK hub needs to be taken apart and re-lubed yearly. I had an issue before with the lube drying out and causing the hub to be sticky on transition from pedaling to coasting when my service interval was too long. That being said, the polished silver CK is a bit more aesthetically pleasing than the dull silver Shimano hubs. My main criteria is that the hub is sealed well against water intrusion and rolls down the road easily. Low maintenance is a plus. A difference in weight of 100 grams is not meaningful to me. Bling is nice, but my priority is function over form. It does need to be silver, of course. Replacing the CK with a mid-priced cartridge bearing hub might be another option. The Velo Orange hubs look pretty nice. I'm guessing they would probably would require less maintenance than the CK hubs and if the cartridge bearings are of good quality they would probably be well sealed. -Jim -- Keep the metal side up and the rubber side down! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Keep the metal side up and the rubber side down! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: What is the advantage of expensive hubs?
Yes, M747s are 8/9/10 compatible. I use them on several bikes using 8 and 9. My only 10 speed rear end has a White T11 (with a spacer!). haha On Tuesday, May 6, 2014 3:53:57 PM UTC-7, Jim Bronson wrote: I saw one of those M737 hubs NOS on fleabay and also some used ones. They look nice and high-polish shiny. I assume they are 8/9/10 compatible, yes? Info was not available on the Shimano techdocs website :( I think they purge anything document related that's more than around 3 or 4 generations old. On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 5:14 PM, Bill Lindsay tape...@gmail.comjavascript: wrote: For rear hubs, if I want to go the best I can possibly get for UBER-cheap, I like to go used Shimano M737. $25-$30 used. Tremendous value, and they come with one of the best QR skewers of all time. If I'm sparing no expense, White Industries. I have sworn off aluminum cassette bodies forever. On Monday, May 5, 2014 8:14:15 AM UTC-7, Jim Bronson wrote: Pricing out parts for my build, the cost difference in hubs between the bling hubs and say Shimano hubs are pretty noticable. A Chris King, Phil Wood, et. al, are quite expensive, $350ish in the case of the Chris King, $400+ in the case of the Phil. On the other hand, I found Tiagra 4600 rear hubs for as little as $24.45 online, and 105 5700 rear hubs for $43.45. Now we all know that Shimano hubs are loose ball bearing hubs, but in practice what is the functional deficiency if the bearing preload is properly adjusted? Some people seem to think the 105 hub is better sealed than the Tiagra and if so would be worth $19 to me. But if not...? Rivendell sells 105 5500 hubs on their site, so they must not be that bad. To give some more background, I have a Chris King hub on a frame I was planning on selling. The plan was to re-use the CK hub on my new build. Different wheel size, so I would need to start over with new rims and spokes either way. But if I could sell the CK for $200 or more, and replace it with say a 105 or even a Deore hub, that would help me get my build together faster. The new frame is spaced 132.5 so can take 130 or 135. I also don't love the fact that the CK hub needs to be taken apart and re-lubed yearly. I had an issue before with the lube drying out and causing the hub to be sticky on transition from pedaling to coasting when my service interval was too long. That being said, the polished silver CK is a bit more aesthetically pleasing than the dull silver Shimano hubs. My main criteria is that the hub is sealed well against water intrusion and rolls down the road easily. Low maintenance is a plus. A difference in weight of 100 grams is not meaningful to me. Bling is nice, but my priority is function over form. It does need to be silver, of course. Replacing the CK with a mid-priced cartridge bearing hub might be another option. The Velo Orange hubs look pretty nice. I'm guessing they would probably would require less maintenance than the CK hubs and if the cartridge bearings are of good quality they would probably be well sealed. -Jim -- Keep the metal side up and the rubber side down! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.comjavascript: . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Keep the metal side up and the rubber side down! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Light Weight essential for next S24O, Randonee, or bike camping
http://www.bernardfoods.com/foodservice/beverages/images/dehydatedwater.gif You can get the details here.http://www.bernardfoods.com/foodservice/beverages/dehydatedwater.htm http://www.bernardfoods.com/foodservice/beverages/images/dehydatedwater.gif -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Light Weight essential for next S24O, Randonee, or bike camping
What if I want to boil it? Do I have to chill is first? With abandon, Patrick On Tuesday, May 6, 2014 5:26:28 PM UTC-6, Tom Virgil wrote: http://www.bernardfoods.com/foodservice/beverages/images/dehydatedwater.gif You can get the details here.http://www.bernardfoods.com/foodservice/beverages/dehydatedwater.htm http://www.bernardfoods.com/foodservice/beverages/images/dehydatedwater.gif -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Single speed eccentric wheel has been ordered / FS Paul Melvin
I see you don't need the Melvin with the eccentric, but why would you need an eccentric hub if you'll leave the derailleur on? You could pop off the cassette, pop on the spacers and cog and go, all without the cost of another wheel, tire, tube, etc. If your rims are different widths, changing the cassette is faster than switching wheels and adjusting brakes. I think you'll end up going full singlespeed and make my puzzlement moot. Philip www.biketinker.com On Tuesday, May 6, 2014 8:29:12 AM UTC-7, Jay in Tel Aviv wrote: Thanks for all the input, everyone. I just got off the phone with Anthony at Longleaf. He confirmed my idea of leaving the derailler on and switching back and forth occasionally between single speed and cassette wheels, so I went ahead and placed the order. Hub - WI Eno Eccentric Rim - A23, 32 holes Spokes - Wheelsmith DB14 I suppose I jumped the gun a little, since it will be delivered to my inlaws in NH and I won't get it until I visit in July. The upshot of all this is that I won't be needing the Paul Melvin tensioner I bought on this list and never installed. The guy who sold it to me described it as Installed, maybe a few miles on it. Excellent. It's waiting for me in NH too (really jumped the gun on that one) so I haven't seen it myself. So, FS Paul Melvin chain tensioner. $50 shipped http://www.paulcomp.com/melvin.html Jay -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] How would your choice of Rivish Bike carry forward to your choice of automobile?
As Rivendell's are country bikes, My Subaru Outback takes me everywhere I want to go. On Tuesday, May 6, 2014 4:31:51 PM UTC-5, David Hays wrote: I'm on my second Subaru Legacy wagon which holds so much yet gets over 30 mpg on trips and 26-28 in town. I got 32.5 to Florida and back but unfortunately they don't import them anymore. I like its way of being sensible and purposeful like a Rivendell but my Homer gives me a bigger smile. David On May 6, 2014, at 1:26 PM, Jim Bronson jim.b...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: I have a Kia Rondo, which while unexciting as can be, conforms to the idea of having one bike for every purpose. I've hauled everything from people to (2) bikes with both wheels attached to 20 8 foot sections of 2x4's, about 50 paver stones, trees, tools, paint, mulch, etc. It has a 4 cylinder and gets 22-24 mpg around town, 26-27 on the highway. Not economy car great but not full size SUV horrible either. On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 2:06 AM, IanA atte...@gmail.com javascript:wrote: It's got to be Citroen: - http://www.boldride.com/ride/1955/citroen-ds-19 On Monday, May 5, 2014 11:20:56 PM UTC-6, Christopher Chen wrote: Only one thing comes to mind On May 5, 2014 9:43 PM, Peter Morgano uscpet...@gmail.com wrote: Classic Simpsons. Danny devito as the long lost brother, awesome. On May 6, 2014 12:36 AM, cyclotourist cyclot...@gmail.com wrote: Fun fact: I was looking up images for homer car when I came across the third one! *http://tinyurl.com/n2zhorj http://tinyurl.com/n2zhorj* Cheers, David it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride. - Seth Vidal On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 9:34 PM, Coconutbill evan@gmail.comwrote: a. homer ! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.comjavascript: . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Keep the metal side up and the rubber side down! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.comjavascript: . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: What is the advantage of expensive hubs?
Thanks, Jim. I'm not sure which version of 105 hubs I had. They came on my Rambouillet, circa 2004?? It's been a long time since I bought an ultegra hub, but I remember paying about $200 for the rear and the last White hub was about $250.T15 I think. I haven't priced them recently. Michael On Tuesday, May 6, 2014 4:29:31 PM UTC-4, Jim Bronson wrote: Michael, I enjoyed your post quite a bit, but the one part I would have to quibble with is the cost of Ultegra hubs vs. White Industries' hubs. You said they were on par. I can get an Ultegra for about 1/3rd of the cost of the White Industries hub. For example, http://www.ebikestop.com/shimano_ultegra_6800_36h_11_speed_rear_hub-HU6713.php This is the least expensive White Industries' hub I found in a few minutes of Google searching, my application has 132.5 spacing so I do either, this one is 135. (The T11 road hub is more $$): https://www.benscycle.com/p-3723-white-industries-m15-rear-hub.aspx?zmam=67843234zmas=1zmac=1zmap=9308gclid=CO2P16CKmL4CFUQF7AodjFcA2g Your discussion of 105 vs Ultegra is pretty interesting also and got me to thinking about what could be different. I guess it depends on what series we are talking about. It seems that Shimano practices a sort of technology trickle down of sorts. For example this generation Ultegra integrates features that were new on Dura Ace's last generation, and 105 integrates features that were new on Dura Ace two generations ago, and so forth. Of course, neither applies to fancy metals like titanium and so forth, those are probably always going to be a Dura Ace only feature. Shimano has some pretty extensive technical documentation, so I found the doc for the exploded view of the 5600 series 105 rear hub. http://techdocs.shimano.com/media/techdocs/content/cycle/EV/bikecomponents/FH/EV-FH-5600-2458C_v1_m56577569830728267.pdf It seems that the seal ring(s) are the same part that are used on the 6600 series Ultegra, but that other parts of the lock nut unit differ. I don't know which one of those that differ would cause it to not hold adjustment. Being that the seal unit is the same though, the hubs not sealing as well is a bit curious. Perhaps then, you were using a 6700 series Ultegra? http://techdocs.shimano.com/media/techdocs/content/cycle/EV/bikecomponents/FH/EV-FH-6700-2932_v1_m56577569830670816.pdf This unit seems to have much less in common with the 6600 and 5600 units. The SKUs for the lock nut unit and the seals are not interchangeable with the 6600/5600 units. There also seems to be less individual components to the exploded view of the lock nut units on these hubs. Now, the current production 105 hub is the 5700 series. It appears to be more similar to the 6700 series Ultegra hub, but unfortunately compatibility is only listed in the tech document between the 5700 and older 105 series hubs. So you have to manually compare SKUs. The left hand seal unit is the same on the 5700 and 6700 hubs. The right hand unit has a slightly different part number. http://techdocs.shimano.com/media/techdocs/content/cycle/EV/bikecomponents/FH/EV-FH-5700-3006A_v1_m56577569830702943.pdf Anyway, I guess my conclusion would be, I'm thinking you were not comparing hubs of the same technology level, maybe a 6700 versus a 5600, or a 6600 vs a 5500. Sorry this is so long, just thought it was interesting. -Jim On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 2:06 PM, Michael Hechmer mhec...@gmail.comjavascript: wrote: Lots of interesting posts here, although rather off topic. I'd like to come back to the OP original question. How much value does the buyer get from hi end vs. low end hubs? There are a number of variables - how much maintenance, how long the life expectancy, how smooth the bearings, how big the price differential? And, I think its fair to ask how much of the original low cost comes with exploitation of the people who make the parts. I ride a bike to feel good, not to practice denial about my fellow wo/man. I agree the old campy SR NR hubs, which were expensive to buy actually turned out to be a great value because they lasted one day shy of forever. I have only recently retired my last NR hub when the threads for the freewheel gave out after tens of thousands of miles. They did need to be overhauled regularly, but this was a pretty easy process, requiring 13 14 mm cone wrenches. They have a well designed lock washer which makes adjustment really easy. My experience has been that Ultegra hubs also have a pretty long life expectancy but are not quite as easy to overhaul or adjust as the campys. However my experience with 105 hubs has been less than satisfactory. I bought a pair for my commuter. Admittedly my commute was more hub challenging than most - 30 miles round trip, including 10 miles of dirt roads, and life in green and rainy Vermont. The 105 hubs did not seal
[RBW] Re: How would your choice of Rivish Bike carry forward to your choice of automobile?
It's the perfect colour, that's for sure! On Tuesday, May 6, 2014 5:09:19 AM UTC-7, WETH wrote: When I think of my Atlantis as a car/truck, I think this: from this website: http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/showthread.php?t=535456 On Monday, May 5, 2014 11:47:34 PM UTC-4, Tom Virgil wrote: If you are going to say I ride a Rivendell bicycle, I don't need an automobile, God bless you. Seriously. But, assuming that your obsessive, compulsive personality (I have one of those) compels you to carry the threads of your pursuits to their extreme, logical conclusions, I believe that there are some choices out there. As with our bicycles, they would not be obtained through standard outlets. Just my opinion, but I think that as an Atlantis, A. Homer Hilsen, or Sam Hillborne owner, you might gravitate to this. http://bp3.blogger.com/_eMfw8PboF5U/Rzok9A9XD5I/B8g/3-_iCzTeypk/s1600/17_Big+Bertha_1.jpg Note that the owner has a beard (working on that for myself). I heard that the owner managed to convert the Seagrave fire truck engine to propane, so perhaps that helps with fuel costs. There is really only one choice for the owner of a Hunqapillar. The Hummer would be much too yesterday's trendy. To hades with the cost of fuel or effort. It must be a Dodge Power Wagon. http://moparplanet.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/dodge_power_wagon.jpg This bad boy will go anywhere you want, albeit with an unsynchonized manual transmission. Well, heck, we don't need no stinking SIS, do we? Betty Foy and Cheviot are more subtle. They demonstrate a certain amount of class and an attitude of nonchalance about girl's bike/boy's bike. They are nevertheless robust vehicles. Not having one, my suggestion would be the following. http://files.conceptcarz.com/img/Dodge/54_Dodge_Power_Wagon_DV-06_BJ_09.jpg I can only imagine Vancouver librarians rolling up to the book repositories (or straight through them, if desired) in Canadian state issued editions of these contrivances. ~Tom -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: How would your choice of Rivish Bike carry forward to your choice of automobile?
On Monday, May 5, 2014 9:32:02 PM UTC-7, Tom Virgil wrote: Oh, that is so good. The low rake of the body and the economy of the hardtop are remarkable. Your taste is exquisite. Of course it is. I own a Rivendell. ;-) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: How would your choice of Rivish Bike carry forward to your choice of automobile?
I love the Honda Element. I always call out milk truck! whenever I see one on the street. On Tuesday, May 6, 2014 7:30:26 AM UTC-7, Montclair BobbyB wrote: I like to think my bike and car preferences are well-aligned... I go for functional, practical, comfortable, fun... I'm on my second Element, and (since it has been discontinued) I'm always on the lookout for the 'next' one with low miles to drive for the next 10 years (unless something better comes along... NAH... not likely)... https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-h1ZGAlz4Ll8/U2jxDzI1jeI/Em4/aoAtJ2R-e5g/s1600/Element+on+Ferry.JPG On Monday, May 5, 2014 11:47:34 PM UTC-4, Tom Virgil wrote: If you are going to say I ride a Rivendell bicycle, I don't need an automobile, God bless you. Seriously. But, assuming that your obsessive, compulsive personality (I have one of those) compels you to carry the threads of your pursuits to their extreme, logical conclusions, I believe that there are some choices out there. As with our bicycles, they would not be obtained through standard outlets. Just my opinion, but I think that as an Atlantis, A. Homer Hilsen, or Sam Hillborne owner, you might gravitate to this. http://bp3.blogger.com/_eMfw8PboF5U/Rzok9A9XD5I/B8g/3-_iCzTeypk/s1600/17_Big+Bertha_1.jpg Note that the owner has a beard (working on that for myself). I heard that the owner managed to convert the Seagrave fire truck engine to propane, so perhaps that helps with fuel costs. There is really only one choice for the owner of a Hunqapillar. The Hummer would be much too yesterday's trendy. To hades with the cost of fuel or effort. It must be a Dodge Power Wagon. http://moparplanet.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/dodge_power_wagon.jpg This bad boy will go anywhere you want, albeit with an unsynchonized manual transmission. Well, heck, we don't need no stinking SIS, do we? Betty Foy and Cheviot are more subtle. They demonstrate a certain amount of class and an attitude of nonchalance about girl's bike/boy's bike. They are nevertheless robust vehicles. Not having one, my suggestion would be the following. http://files.conceptcarz.com/img/Dodge/54_Dodge_Power_Wagon_DV-06_BJ_09.jpg I can only imagine Vancouver librarians rolling up to the book repositories (or straight through them, if desired) in Canadian state issued editions of these contrivances. ~Tom -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] WTB: MKS Gripking or Thin Gripsters
One last piece of the puzzle (I think) are a pair of either pedals if you have any extra. Used preferably to keep costs down. Reply off-list please, thanks! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] WTB Dirt Drop Handlebars 25.4
Hello, I am looking to buy some 25.4 dirt drop handlebars, Id love to get the specialized BB1 bars, but I am open to whatever is available, as long as they accept bar end shifters. Thanks, Drew -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Sackville SaddleSack Large or Medium for Rides to Beach?
I know that some of this has been covered before, but, specifically, which is better for riding to the beach with towels, etc. - a SaddleSack Medium or Large? Need to put in about 3 or 4 beach towels, light snacks, and some other odds and ends. My Hilsen has a Tubus rack on all the time. I don't do food shopping, etc. with my bike, but do use it for long rides, day trips, some overnights. If Large is the answer, what issues are there on rides? Any balance issues? Any back of leg hitting bag issues? Any hitting the bike riding next to you unintentionally issues? Would probably prefer the Medium if it can do the above task, but even if it can, willing to hear thoughts about why the Large isn't that bulky. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Gentleman Sam Hillborne but more of a story to it and a bit of drama
I have been riding 46cm Noodle Bars on my '99 Heron since I replace the 44cm Noodle Bars I had on it originally. For the style of riding I enjoy (distance mainly), the Noodles have been ideal. Long, flat, comfortable. My hands have never been happier on a handlebar. That having been said, I am not a huge fan of upright bars for distance riding. I find too upright a posture to be nearly as uncomfortable as too bent a posture. Hugh taking the middle path Flynn Newburyport, MA On May 5, 2014, at 1:10 PM, dougP wrote: Tom: It'll be interesting to compare notes next time we see each other. After having noodles on my Atlantis since I got it in '03, I've lately been fooling around with upright bars. The current set-up is Origin 8 Space Bar but it lacks enough forward sweep for climbing (not a high priority at the moment, though). I've had hand issues the last couple of years, hence the desire for something different. The eggplant tape looks great. dougP On Sunday, May 4, 2014 10:26:07 PM UTC-7, Tom Virgil wrote: It has been almost a year since Jared at Rivendell and I discussed Sam, elected a build kit, and pulled the trigger. There have been some really sweet spots of riding, meeting and engaging with many of you here in the bunch, and some pleasurable wrenching on Sam. I liked the Alba bars, and know that many of you benefit from them. I elected to have them when Sam was built. My gun, my bullet, and my trigger. So please take no disrespect. But for me, it was time for them to go. I have been riding my Boulder All Road rando with noodles far and wide, and always, even if fatigued from a long effort, felt pretty good. I was NOT feeling that about hands resting on the cork grips, the metal brake levers, or the hard, shellacked bar tape ahead of that on my Sam. The rando didn't replace Sam, it just serves a different purpose. Sam is a horse of a bike that can do a lot. So, solution: make Sam more like rando without compromising (gentling, for Wheel of Time fans) him. Noodles with eggplant tape. And a generator lighting system. That's the ticket. So here he is in his new configuration. There is an explanation for the background. ~Tom -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: 5/3 All lugged steel Populaire including 3 Rivs
The strange tricycle like vehicle is an ELF. Have an extra $6k sitting around? http://organictransit.com On Monday, May 5, 2014 1:34:08 AM UTC-4, Jim Bronson wrote: Six intrepid randonneurs set out to ride approximately sixty-eight miles on a beautiful spring morning this last Saturday. We departed from central Austin and rode out to the nearby community of Taylor and returned to Austin. All completed the ride successfully and a good time was had by all. Our group included visitors from both coasts - one from the DC area and one from the Bay Area. Of note, all bikes used on the ride were lugged steel. This included two custom Rivs, a Simpleone equipped with a Rohloff, a 1984 Miyata, a 1985 Trek and a Medici. Pics at the turnaround control: https://flic.kr/s/aHsjXgCeE9 I also attempted to take a few pics of a strange tricycle like vehicle we encountered, it appeared to be a hybrid tricycle with a large protective body on it. Two of the shots didn't hit their mark but those shots did give a good depiction of my front fender and tire while in motion and the other shot gives a good idea of Texas quality chip seal. But anyway :) -- Keep the metal side up and the rubber side down! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] WTB: Albatross Bars
Hello all! I just acquired a Trek 620 that is going to be built into an awesome commuter as soon as time permits. It is just begging for a pair of Albatross bars on it though. Does anyone have a pair they need to get rid of? Reply off-list please, thanks! Mike Seattle -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] On-bike tools: what is your choice or favorite?
Ack - that's a good point. Are basic chain tools like the CT-5 being reconfigured to work for 9/10/11 speed chains? I haven't progressed past 8 speed (and don't plan to). I wonder if I should start to stockpile chain tools... Hugh old Flynn Newburyport, MA On May 5, 2014, at 9:41 AM, Matthew J wrote: Be sure to carry the right chain tool. I stopped to help a cyclist in distress once. His skinny (maybe 10 speed? possibly 11) chain had snapped. My conventional chain tool sort of worked after about 20 minutes of tries. We broke about 4 additional links before getting the chain together well enough that he did not have to walk what he said was about 10 miles to his car. On Sunday, May 4, 2014 11:09:44 AM UTC-5, Montclair BobbyB wrote: Have used my chain tool more times than I care to remember, mostly from mountain biking (where I've had a few snapped links or pretzeled derailleurs)... Never travel without one. On Saturday, May 3, 2014 9:46:38 PM UTC-4, Ron Mc wrote: If you have a broken link you need the chain tool to remove the pin(s) before you can even install a power link. It's not something I pack on the road (where power links usually wear out first), but offroad, there are more things that can hit your chain and produce a random failure. On Friday, May 2, 2014 11:09:56 PM UTC-5, Edwin W wrote: So many of you have mentioned carrying a chain tool in even a fairly minimalist kit. I don't want to jinx myself, but I have never needed one on the road. What are the common problems that require a chain tool? Busted link? From what? Learning slowly, Edwin -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] On-bike tools: what is your choice or favorite?
Anton Wrote: Here's another scenario, which did happen to someone in a group ride that I was part of-- her rear derailleur jammed and self-destructed. She didn't have a chain tool, but someone in the group did, and with it she removed a bunch of links and made the bike a single-speed for the rest of the ride. Couldn't have done it without a chain tool... I believe I was on that ride with you Anton, and it's worth noting that the rider in question did not carry a chain tool herself, and that she needed to go through several multi-tool chain tools offered to her by riders in our group to find one that actually worked. I now make a point to carry a dedicated chain tool like the Park CT-5. The CT-5 is small enough to fit in any kit and works much better than any multi-tool chain tool I've ever tried. Hugh Chain Brute Flynn Newburyport, MA On May 3, 2014, at 12:34 AM, Anton Tutter wrote: After speaking to some mechanics and others more knowledgeable than myself, the consensus is that my incident with a chain pin coming loose wasn't at all common. But it's a a data point. Here's another scenario, which did happen to someone in a group ride that I was part of-- her rear derailleur jammed and self-destructed. She didn't have a chain tool, but someone in the group did, and with it she removed a bunch of links and made the bike a single-speed for the rest of the ride. Couldn't have done it without a chain tool... Anton On Friday, May 2, 2014 9:09:56 PM UTC-7, Edwin W wrote: So many of you have mentioned carrying a chain tool in even a fairly minimalist kit. I don't want to jinx myself, but I have never needed one on the road. What are the common problems that require a chain tool? Busted link? From what? Learning slowly, Edwin -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] 5/3 All lugged steel Populaire including 3 Rivs
What a gorgeous group of bikes. Lucky you! Re: the strange tricycle like vehicle - I've been seeing those around a bit here in the North East. Interesting smart car/bikes they are No idea who makes them. Hugh Flynn Newburyport, MA On May 5, 2014, at 1:34 AM, Jim Bronson wrote: Six intrepid randonneurs set out to ride approximately sixty-eight miles on a beautiful spring morning this last Saturday. We departed from central Austin and rode out to the nearby community of Taylor and returned to Austin. All completed the ride successfully and a good time was had by all. Our group included visitors from both coasts - one from the DC area and one from the Bay Area. Of note, all bikes used on the ride were lugged steel. This included two custom Rivs, a Simpleone equipped with a Rohloff, a 1984 Miyata, a 1985 Trek and a Medici. Pics at the turnaround control: https://flic.kr/s/aHsjXgCeE9 I also attempted to take a few pics of a strange tricycle like vehicle we encountered, it appeared to be a hybrid tricycle with a large protective body on it. Two of the shots didn't hit their mark but those shots did give a good depiction of my front fender and tire while in motion and the other shot gives a good idea of Texas quality chip seal. But anyway :) -- Keep the metal side up and the rubber side down! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Cup/Cone Hub Maintenance Frequency
Starting a new thread with this as I'm heading off on a slightly tangental path: How frequently do folks overhaul their cup/cone hubs? I have too many bikes to make this a yearly task, so I just check my hubs periodically and replace bearings/cones/grease if something starts to feel gritty or otherwise unpleasant. I have some wheels that haven't required attention in 10 years (curiously, they were all built with the Suntour XC front hubs Riv had on sale about 10 years ago...). Others, like those my winter bike, require yearly maintenance after the snow/salt bath that is New England winter cycling. Freehub lubrication is something I haven't been able to get right yet though. Are the freehub bodies that are sold on non-shimano hubs easier to service than shimano freehub bodies? I have an Ultegra freehub that has seen better much better days, but I have not been able to figure out a good way to get grease/oil into the thing. Perhaps it's time to consider an oil bath like we used to do with freewheels. Hugh dry ride Flynn Newburyport, MA On May 5, 2014, at 12:29 PM, Brewster Fong wrote: On Monday, May 5, 2014 9:05:58 AM UTC-7, eflayer wrote: the law of diminishing returns does set in at some point: The law of diminishing returns is a classic economic concept that states that as more investment in an area is made, overall return on that investment increases at a declining rate, assuming that all variables remain fixed. To continue to make an investment after a certain point (which varies from context to context) is to receive a decreasing return on that input. You might consider moving up a notch, but not all the way to bling. Maybe cartridge bearings and lower weight would be fun to play with, and... I don't know, for the biggest bang for the buck, it is hard to beat Shimano. Yes, they have loose ball bearings that require periodic maintenance and Shimano hubs are not the lightest. But for durability and quietness, nothing beats them. I usually get Dura Ace or Ultegra hubs, but that is because I *think* their cups and cones and better polished and should last longer. Further, if you buy from one of the UK retailers, DA/ultegra hubs are substantially cheaper than most of the boutiques like King,Phi, White, DT, etc. Good Luck! The bikehubstore.com seems to have a fine reputation for selling good stuff and providing good service. All that said, if you don't care about weight and mostly about utility, then I think you won't experience any level of disappointment with nearly anything from Shimanoand they are famous for not making that aggravating pawl click noise found in even the most expensive. http://www.bikehubstore.com/category-s/144.htm On Monday, May 5, 2014 8:14:15 AM UTC-7, Jim Bronson wrote: Pricing out parts for my build, the cost difference in hubs between the bling hubs and say Shimano hubs are pretty noticable. A Chris King, Phil Wood, et. al, are quite expensive, $350ish in the case of the Chris King, $400+ in the case of the Phil. On the other hand, I found Tiagra 4600 rear hubs for as little as $24.45 online, and 105 5700 rear hubs for $43.45. Now we all know that Shimano hubs are loose ball bearing hubs, but in practice what is the functional deficiency if the bearing preload is properly adjusted? Some people seem to think the 105 hub is better sealed than the Tiagra and if so would be worth $19 to me. But if not...? Rivendell sells 105 5500 hubs on their site, so they must not be that bad. To give some more background, I have a Chris King hub on a frame I was planning on selling. The plan was to re-use the CK hub on my new build. Different wheel size, so I would need to start over with new rims and spokes either way. But if I could sell the CK for $200 or more, and replace it with say a 105 or even a Deore hub, that would help me get my build together faster. The new frame is spaced 132.5 so can take 130 or 135. I also don't love the fact that the CK hub needs to be taken apart and re-lubed yearly. I had an issue before with the lube drying out and causing the hub to be sticky on transition from pedaling to coasting when my service interval was too long. That being said, the polished silver CK is a bit more aesthetically pleasing than the dull silver Shimano hubs. My main criteria is that the hub is sealed well against water intrusion and rolls down the road easily. Low maintenance is a plus. A difference in weight of 100 grams is not meaningful to me. Bling is nice, but my priority is function over form. It does need to be silver, of course. Replacing the CK with a mid-priced cartridge bearing hub might be another option. The Velo Orange hubs look pretty nice. I'm guessing they would probably would require less maintenance than the CK hubs and if the cartridge bearings are of good quality they would probably be well sealed.
[RBW] Re: How would your choice of Rivish Bike carry forward to your choice of automobile?
I've been thinking about this a lot, lately. Really, my When I win the lottery plan, is to switch my car out for a hybrid, which can fill in longer, unbikeable trips with a need for hauling. (A son with special needs and a daughter both change one's requirements.) Still, I can't help but think that a late 70's, early 80's diesel Benz wagon running vegetable oil would be a fine way to go. Just like below, but with one of those giant touring baskets on top. https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-2TXfepD7TpU/U2kYTjEJW7I/AsQ/uBMxygsAkpA/s1600/1978-Mercedes-Benz-300TD-300-TD-Station-Wagon-W123-W-123-190-Touring-Transport-Turbo-Diesel-MB-Tex-OM617-I5-Engine-Estate-Built-in-Sindelfingen-Germany-4.jpg On Monday, May 5, 2014 10:47:34 PM UTC-5, Tom Virgil wrote: If you are going to say I ride a Rivendell bicycle, I don't need an automobile, God bless you. Seriously. But, assuming that your obsessive, compulsive personality (I have one of those) compels you to carry the threads of your pursuits to their extreme, logical conclusions, I believe that there are some choices out there. As with our bicycles, they would not be obtained through standard outlets. Just my opinion, but I think that as an Atlantis, A. Homer Hilsen, or Sam Hillborne owner, you might gravitate to this. http://bp3.blogger.com/_eMfw8PboF5U/Rzok9A9XD5I/B8g/3-_iCzTeypk/s1600/17_Big+Bertha_1.jpg Note that the owner has a beard (working on that for myself). I heard that the owner managed to convert the Seagrave fire truck engine to propane, so perhaps that helps with fuel costs. There is really only one choice for the owner of a Hunqapillar. The Hummer would be much too yesterday's trendy. To hades with the cost of fuel or effort. It must be a Dodge Power Wagon. http://moparplanet.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/dodge_power_wagon.jpg This bad boy will go anywhere you want, albeit with an unsynchonized manual transmission. Well, heck, we don't need no stinking SIS, do we? Betty Foy and Cheviot are more subtle. They demonstrate a certain amount of class and an attitude of nonchalance about girl's bike/boy's bike. They are nevertheless robust vehicles. Not having one, my suggestion would be the following. http://files.conceptcarz.com/img/Dodge/54_Dodge_Power_Wagon_DV-06_BJ_09.jpg I can only imagine Vancouver librarians rolling up to the book repositories (or straight through them, if desired) in Canadian state issued editions of these contrivances. ~Tom -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] 30daysofbiking
Dear Eunice, I passed on your post when I found I did not have the time that particular day. After reading all the heartfelt responses on the list, I went back and retrieved it, read it (twice) and passed it along to others. They were moved, as was I. It was so well done! Beautiful. PaulGermain Midlothian, Va. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Sackville SaddleSack Large or Medium for Rides to Beach?
No handling issues with the large. It goes on the rack and sits far back from the saddle so no leg touching either. Here's what I'll say about the large: it's the best thing I've gotten for my bike. Ever. And it's behind me, so who cares how big it is? But if you're looking for a reason not to get the large, I'm sure someone else will help you out :) cc On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 8:01 AM, Homer Sapiens dgoldberger...@gmail.comwrote: I know that some of this has been covered before, but, specifically, which is better for riding to the beach with towels, etc. - a SaddleSack Medium or Large? Need to put in about 3 or 4 beach towels, light snacks, and some other odds and ends. My Hilsen has a Tubus rack on all the time. I don't do food shopping, etc. with my bike, but do use it for long rides, day trips, some overnights. If Large is the answer, what issues are there on rides? Any balance issues? Any back of leg hitting bag issues? Any hitting the bike riding next to you unintentionally issues? Would probably prefer the Medium if it can do the above task, but even if it can, willing to hear thoughts about why the Large isn't that bulky. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- I want the kind of six pack you can't drink. -- Micah -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Goldfish Diablo S240
I've done more than my share of this ride before, but it's always magical. Specially when you have great people to go with Rolled deep with 10+ folks. Hammock city at Juniper. Backpack mtb riding. Cheese and Spam musubi Dinner. Good times. Pictures Proved I'll be up here again next Tuesday: https://flic.kr/s/aHsjXSX4yJ Manny Any one riding the Amgen Tour de Cal on Tuesday? Acosta -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Apply to Beausage
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wabi-sabi -- I want the kind of six pack you can't drink. -- Micah -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Apply to Beausage
most excellent On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 10:41 PM, Chris Chen cc...@nougat.org wrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wabi-sabi -- I want the kind of six pack you can't drink. -- Micah -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
