date:20140922

@ Patrick -- Actually we don't have any insurance. We refused to 
participate in the immorality of the new insurance requirements. We 
participate in a healthshare, Samaritan Healthshare. They have been 
amazing. My wife called them while I was in surgery. They prayed with her, 
at their prompting. She was very moved by that. They also told her not to 
be concerned with any of the details at the time, that they would focus on 
them later. Wow. It's the first time we've used them since we switched 
(it's more like health insurance of old, where you cover your maintenance 
costs and insurance covers any medium to big things). 

@ David -- Fortunately as challenging as the outgassing/acid conversion of 
CO2 is, it's basically like a medium brain day for me (muscles idiotically 
tightening up in moronic attempt to protect me from the sounds and scents 
that bombard my brain -- I still haven't figured out how to add brain cells 
to my muscles so they are smarter. Sardonic grin.). It is rather pesky, but 
dissipating quickly now I'm past 48 hours. I'm actually surprised -- I've 
been able to go without pain medication other than a homeopathic (arnica). 
Pain medicines muckle with my noggin to no end!

@ Matt -- Sounds like your wife and I were nearly on the same time track! 
Amazing. Yeah, the common sense rule is the one I always follow regardless 
of what the doctors say.

@ Aaron -- You do this to people for a living? Grin. Thank you for the care 
and compassion and human dignity you give people at times when they can't 
do much and are so vulnerable. Yours a beautiful calling and an awesome 
responsibility. I tip my Tilley to you my friend!

With abandon,
Patrick

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Re: [RBW] Re: Blug post

One last quote, then I will stop. If you can handle the cost of a high
quality lugged steel frame, and you can get one that fits and is
well-suited to the kind of riding you intend for it, then that's the way to
go. You'll never look back on it and think, DangI wish it were
tig-welded.
On Sep 22, 2014 12:31 AM, Kainalu kaiviers...@gmail.com wrote:

 My Sam Hillborne's tig welded.

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[RBW] Re: A different kind of S24O

2014-09-22 Thread Rusty Click

Be well my friend, and don't succumb to the temptation to do more than you 
should.   You'll be hauling your gear, and traipsing barefoot through the 
woods in no time!

Rusty


On Sunday, September 21, 2014 11:08:57 AM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:

 A hospital S24O. In for tests, rushed to surgery, appendix removed as it 
 is rupturing (the surgeon made it sound like a poorly written drama where 
 the timing of days and hours all culminates to a matter of seconds. 
 Apparently that is how life sometimes is. Sardonic grin.), overnight (never 
 recommended, and a torturous gauntlet for someone with a bludgeoned brain, 
 but the staff was wonderful and did all they possibly could to accommodate 
 me — a wonderful surprise).

 So now I wait for the abdominal wall to heal. I’m told no strenuous 
 activity for 6 weeks. I managed a walk of a quarter mile this morning 
 (first full day home) after a wonderful night rain. Ahh, the smells of the 
 mountains after a rain in autumn! Hoping to ride the flat-ish road to a 
 flatfish trail and do some non-strenuious walking on the “lowlander” trail 
 in a few days. I’m looking forward to further accessing the healing ways of 
 the bicycle and the near bare foot! Grin.

 With abandon,
 Patrick

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Re: [RBW] Re: Blug post

My Sam Hillborne's tig welded. 

I'll bite*Really?*  I'd love to see pictures of a tig welded Sam 
Hillborne.  

Bill fearing-he-got-trapped-in-a-rhetorical-trap Lindsay

On Sunday, September 21, 2014 9:31:29 PM UTC-7, Kainalu wrote:

 My Sam Hillborne's tig welded. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Blug post


On 09/22/2014 09:54 AM, Bill Lindsay wrote:

My Sam Hillborne's tig welded. 

I'll bite/Really?/  I'd love to see pictures of a tig welded Sam 
Hillborne.


I'd like to see that, too.




Bill fearing-he-got-trapped-in-a-rhetorical-trap Lindsay

On Sunday, September 21, 2014 9:31:29 PM UTC-7, Kainalu wrote:

My Sam Hillborne's tig welded. 





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[RBW] Re: FS handlebars, stems - Nitto, Cinelli, Ritchey

2014-09-22 Thread Philip Williamson

Sorry, Michael, the pDoves are gone.

UPDATE: 
Doves gone.
Some interest in the moustache bars, but no payment yet. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS handlebars, stems - Nitto, Cinelli, Ritchey

2014-09-22 Thread Michael Ullmer

Sorry, I messaged you twice, No worries!

On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 8:13 AM, Philip Williamson 
philip.william...@gmail.com wrote:

 Sorry, Michael, the pDoves are gone.

 UPDATE:
 Doves gone.
 Some interest in the moustache bars, but no payment yet.

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Re: [RBW] A different kind of S24O

2014-09-22 Thread Aaron Young

Patrick,

Yes, I do this for a living.  Some people joke that we anesthesiologists
pass gas for a living, but I prefer to say I keep people safe and
comfortable while they nap instead.  Had a nicer ring to it.

It's interesting to hear about your insurance program. I'm only recently
out of residency training so now I have to worry about which insurance
folks have and all the billing issues. Billing and insurance are by far the
things I like least about practicing medicine, and many physicians will
tell you the exact same thing.

Finally, thank you for saying thanks.   Most often an anesthesiologist's
job is a thankless one because we transfer our patients to recovery and
then must leave before the patient is awake enough to remember to say
thanks.  Happily most anesthesiologists have the type of personality that
doesn't need the spotlight all the time.  I am perfectly happy to sit at
the head of the OR table quietly and attentively caring for my patients
without fanfare and whatnot. So... Thank you!

Do you have any bike (or other) projects you have been meaning to get
around to?  Maybe now's your chance, right? :)

-Aaron



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 awesome responsibility. I tip my Tilley to you my friend!

 With abandon,
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Re: [RBW] A different kind of S24O

Aaron,

My anesthesiologist was spectacular. He sat down and talked through all he 
was going to do and how it was likely to effect my brain etc. So far I feel 
fewer effects from the general than I experienced from dental local (which 
took me two weeks to recover from). My adrenaline will likely wear off here 
in the next day or two and then I'll see where I really am and if it made 
it seem like I was doing artificially better.

You are right, anesthesiologists are the unseen servants of the MD world, 
invisible, and unthanked, yet essential for proper care. It take a strong, 
humble person to be happy to be invisible and serve without expectation of 
thanks!

I'm actually pretty caught up on bike projects and waiting on funding (for 
years now) for my Ministry endeavors, so I piddle around with writing when 
my brain allows. God's given me plenty to do -- I just have to figure out 
how to make it happen! Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Monday, September 22, 2014 9:24:50 AM UTC-6, AaronY wrote:

 Patrick,

 Yes, I do this for a living.  Some people joke that we anesthesiologists 
 pass gas for a living, but I prefer to say I keep people safe and 
 comfortable while they nap instead.  Had a nicer ring to it. 

 It's interesting to hear about your insurance program. I'm only recently 
 out of residency training so now I have to worry about which insurance 
 folks have and all the billing issues. Billing and insurance are by far the 
 things I like least about practicing medicine, and many physicians will 
 tell you the exact same thing.  

 Finally, thank you for saying thanks.   Most often an anesthesiologist's 
 job is a thankless one because we transfer our patients to recovery and 
 then must leave before the patient is awake enough to remember to say 
 thanks.  Happily most anesthesiologists have the type of personality that 
 doesn't need the spotlight all the time.  I am perfectly happy to sit at 
 the head of the OR table quietly and attentively caring for my patients 
 without fanfare and whatnot. So... Thank you!

 Do you have any bike (or other) projects you have been meaning to get 
 around to?  Maybe now's your chance, right? :)

 -Aaron



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 can't do much and are so vulnerable. Yours a beautiful calling and an 
 awesome responsibility. I tip my Tilley to you my friend!

 With abandon,
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[RBW] Re: Rivendell Quickbeam single speed, 58 cm, $800

Somebody jump in this screaming deal! He looks to have underpriced it by 
$500 or more. Granted it needs the double chainring to have two plus gear 
options, but, wow.

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[RBW] WTT: my short quill for your long quill dirt drop stem

2014-09-22 Thread Eric Cardella

I have an 80mm Nitto Dirt Drop stem with regular-sized quill and 26.0mm clamp 
diameter. I'd like to get my bars up higher, so I'm looking to trade for a 
similar stem with a longer quill. I'd also be willing to buy or trade for 
something else in the barn.

Eric

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[RBW] Considering my first Riv purchase and looking for helpful advice

2014-09-22 Thread Ty Jeske



I've been riding a bargain lugged steel Schwinn Traveler (1982) for the 
last several years. The frame is a little small for me and I've sunk 
several times its purchase price into repairs, but it has been a reliable 
and mostly comfortable steed. For the last week though, I've been borrowing 
a friend's Long Haul Trucker and I've come to realize that the last 30 
years have brought desirable advances to bicycle technology. The time has 
finally come to make an upgrade. I love the ride of steel, and the look of 
lugged steel in particular, so I'm looking between the LHT and the 
Rivendell Sam Hillborne. The advantage of the LHT is that I'm riding one 
now and know exactly what I'd be getting. It's also about half the cost of 
the Sam. The Sam has the advantage of beautiful lugs, possibly superior 
components, and a reputation for lasting a lifetime. It also fits my ideal 
of a comfortable go-anywhere bike. Does anybody have any experience with 
both that may help me decide? Even better, does anyone know how I may go 
about test riding the Sam Hillborne? I'm in Tampa FL.

I plan to use the bike much as I do my current one. Mostly recreational 
rides (15-40 mi), fetching groceries, etc. The occasional overnight camping 
trip and rare credit card or light touring. Whatever I get will need to 
take me through the level wooded area and fields between my house and the 
nearest paved bike trail.

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[RBW] 68 cm Rambouillet Redwood on eBay

2014-09-22 Thread keeg.mur...@gmail.com

Seller has three large bikes for sale.


http://pages.ebay.com/link/?nav=item.viewalt=webid=291248387059

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[RBW] FS: Platrack, Slickersack, Tekro TRP Levers, Thumbies, Moustache, More

2014-09-22 Thread jason

Olive!

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[RBW] It's baaaaaack

2014-09-22 Thread robert zeidler

bike was purchased by someone who read the description AFTER paying for the
bike and found it was the wrong bike.

Anyway...

http://pages.ebay.com/link/?nav=item.viewalt=webid=291248387059

RGZ

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[RBW] Tall riders

2014-09-22 Thread robert zeidler

the 3d auction.

http://pages.ebay.com/link/?nav=item.viewalt=webid=291247976621

Thanks again.

RGZ

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Re: [RBW] Quickbeam 58CM Green Machine Phil Wood Hubs Brooks Nitto

2014-09-22 Thread Hobo

Hey Pudge,

I'm open to offers right now. Not really sure what it's worth... or what
someone wants to pay.

I'm moving and buying a new car. I have 6 bikes (down from 12). Just trying
to get some extra cash in my pocket.

On Friday, September 19, 2014 2:16:41 PM UTC-4, Pudge wrote:

Two questions: I. How much are you asking? And 2. Why are you
selling this lovely machine?

*From:* rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com javascript: [mailto:
rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com javascript:] *On Behalf Of *Hobo
*Sent:* Thursday, September 18, 2014 5:32 PM
*To:* rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com javascript:
*Subject:* [RBW] Quickbeam 58CM Green Machine Phil Wood Hubs Brooks Nitto

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-C8XHstygPNY/VBtPWU8648I/AHU/qDC9OtOaP3s/s1600/GQB1.JPG

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-ETZxQvHCdro/VBtOjquNqZI/AGc/iBRkY1Nc5fE/s1600/GQB2.JPG

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-CnW3Rc6kn-I/VBtOlj4pj4I/AGk/Cdfgg-dV87c/s1600/GQB3.JPG

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-ucxbxjTsyqA/VBtOsbqnx9I/AGs/QzzbFGrVMyo/s1600/GQB4.JPG

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-0uHaHJ7iRss/VBtOuRdcV1I/AG0/6s0U3LcurLQ/s1600/GQB5.JPG

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-vYX6V4sQdD4/VBtOw5ZUfjI/AG8/N-HCfXi_-mY/s1600/GQB7.JPG

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-I5QrzgTVPlw/VBtO1ivqDgI/AHE/Jh3BmQybF1Y/s1600/GQB8.JPG

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-Gq7xopjLqtA/VBtO3-0zg_I/AHM/GXt7MQNtorU/s1600/GQB9.JPG

Here is my second Quickbeam (58CM) up for sale
I just finished the build yesterday. Both the headset and bottom bracket
have been overhauled. Taken apart, cleaned and regreased all the bearings.
Brand new chain and cork grips.
Wow does this thing ride nicely!

Parts shown:
Frame: Rivendell Quickbeam 58cm
Wheels: Phil Wood High Flange anodized orange laced to Velocity rims w/
White Industries 20t freewheel.
Tires: Schwalbe Big Apple 29x2 (10 miles)
Bars: Nitto Albatross
Stem: Nitto
Brakes: Tektro FL750
Brakes: Shimano Deore XT (Ritchey pads)
Crankset: Campagnolo C-Record w/ Salsa 42t ring
Saddle: Brooks B17 Special Honey

Does not come with pedals or bell

If the buyer wants, I can swap out the tires and put brand new Pasela 37s.

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[RBW] WTB: 26 touring/commuter wheelset

2014-09-22 Thread Eric Cardella

Anyone looking to get rid of a 26 wheelset that is suitable for commuting and 
light touring? I am interested in buying or trading.

Eric

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[RBW] Re: Sam hillborne on bolinas ridge? Found camping pillow

2014-09-22 Thread Richard Lawrence

Hello! (Dave, right?)

On Sunday, September 21, 2014 1:07:33 PM UTC-7, DS wrote:

 Looking for the person I ran into and talked with on the Bolinas Ridge 
 riding a Sam Hillborne with another friend out bike camping. I was on the 
 green hunqapillar.

 I found what looks like a camping pillow in a stuff sack shortly after, 
 not sure if it belongs to you or your friend or not. If so let me know. 


That was me on the Sam.  The pillow is my friend's.  Thanks for getting in 
touch; I'll send you a message off-list.  What a great resource this list 
is!

Best,
Richard 

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[RBW] FS: 26 velocity wheelset very low miles, b67 saddle

2014-09-22 Thread Eric Cardella

Where is local?

Eric

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[RBW] 67cm Rivendell Redwood

2014-09-22 Thread Robert Zeidler



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Re: [RBW] Quickbeam 58CM Green Machine Phil Wood Hubs Brooks Nitto

2014-09-22 Thread Hobo

Hey Minh, I got them to fit by properly aligning the wheels in the frame?
The rear, there is millimeters of clearance, but the front squeezes them 
quite well.


On Friday, September 19, 2014 2:32:05 PM UTC-4, Minh wrote:

 Wow, how did you get the big apples to fit?  I didn't think the QB had the 
 clearance for these (thought they maxed out around 47mm).  How is the 
 clearance?  


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Re: [RBW] Re: Blug post

Peter

I'm interested in the way(s) you think Rivendell is diluting their brand by 
offering a partially tig-welded bike.  Is it just the hypocrisy of saying 
lugs lugs lugs all the time and now making an exception to save money makes 
them look like sellouts, or something?  Does the presence of non-lugged 
joints in the Riv lineup now make you personally less likely to buy a 
Rivendell, because the brand is less pure?  Are you complaining that the 
resale value of your own Rivendell has been damaged by the presence of some 
tig joints?  Are you opining that the general cycling public will now think 
less of Rivendell and that will harm their bottom line?  

Personally I'm often a handwringer about Rivendell's balance sheet.  I like 
the people, and I know what it's like to worry about the finances of a 
small business, so I worry for them.  In my opinion, their best selling 
bikes are always the cheapest bikes on the floor.  Visitors come in, they 
dig the vibe, they like the people, they like that you can get a nice 
comfortable reliable bike and not be race-vibed by the salespeople.  So you 
buy the cheapest bike they offer because dang, they're expensive.  That 
used to be a $2500 Hillborne.  Now it'll be a $1500 Clem Smith.  I worry a 
little that they can only get through a certain number of bikes per year, 
and the are going to drag down the average price, which might hurt their 
bottom line.  I'm not worried about diluting the brand, but I'm not certain 
how good a business decision the Clem Smith may be.  I bet it's a really 
cool bike, and those who buy it will love it.  

On Sunday, September 21, 2014 5:07:01 PM UTC-7, Peter M wrote:

 From the site

 All our bikes have lugged steel frames, which makes 95 percent of the 
 country think they’re old-fashioned and slow (not true), and 4.5 percent 
 think they’re homages to the past; also not true. Lugged steel is the 
 strongest and most beautiful way to make bicycle frames and we've been 
 doing nothing but lugged steel for almost 20 here in Walnut Creek, 
 California.

 Not my words, I guess the site/philosophy will just have to be amended, no 
 problem! 
 On Sep 21, 2014 7:47 PM, Mobile Bill wfi...@rocketmail.com 
 javascript: wrote:

 I'll add a small voice to the discussion:
 What is it that Riv does for the bike market? I love my lugs, wouldn't 
 trade em, but I'd have to say that lugs are only a very small, and perhaps 
 insignificant reason for buying another Riv. Riv's overall design 
 leadership and thoughtfulness is one. Many of the factors that once made 
 Riv distinctive have been adopted by other bike designers -- ranging from 
 tire capacity to chainstay length to general disregard for racebike design 
 doctrine. But much about Riv remains distinctive. When I compare other 
 bikes, I have to wonder whether the manufacturers will have thought as 
 carefully about fit, and about handlebar placement relative to seat height, 
 and about how to make the bike genuinely useful in multiple situations. 
 There are other semi-custom bike designers and dispensers who use TIG 
 exclusively, and I'd be happy to buy those bikes, except I've tried em, and 
 they have an unpleasant feel or fit or they have limited use, because their 
 design philosophy is different (and often much less thoughtful and 
 sophisticated).
 Riv being Riv isn't about 100 percent lugged.

 On Friday, September 19, 2014 3:20:02 PM UTC-5, Peter M wrote:

 A Tig welded Rivendell? say it aint so

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Re: [RBW] Re: Blug post

I love Rivendell and the people but when your mantra for 20 years is
Always lugged it seems a bit disingenuous now to say hey we have tig
welded frame but its still a Rivendell right? I dont feel this affects me
at all personally but so many companies have mission statements and whatnot
and just go right back on what they said and this seems like more of the
same.  The question bill posits has merit but I will add another-will
someone who wouldn't have bought a Sam or Chevy buy a Clem? Or will they
just admire the bikes then go to Surly/Salsa/VO and get an even cheaper
frame if there was no Clem at all. I just hate to see a race towards the
bottom, if that's where this is going. More smart is the rollout of Silver
branded tubes and whatnot. If they are going away from lugs on this project
and theoretically bringing in new customers that would never have bought a
Rivendell they need a hook that's more than a cheaper but still pricey for
alot of people-bike.

On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 12:48 PM, Bill Lindsay tapebu...@gmail.com wrote:

 Peter

 I'm interested in the way(s) you think Rivendell is diluting their brand
 by offering a partially tig-welded bike.  Is it just the hypocrisy of
 saying lugs lugs lugs all the time and now making an exception to save
 money makes them look like sellouts, or something?  Does the presence of
 non-lugged joints in the Riv lineup now make you personally less likely to
 buy a Rivendell, because the brand is less pure?  Are you complaining that
 the resale value of your own Rivendell has been damaged by the presence of
 some tig joints?  Are you opining that the general cycling public will now
 think less of Rivendell and that will harm their bottom line?

 Personally I'm often a handwringer about Rivendell's balance sheet.  I
 like the people, and I know what it's like to worry about the finances of a
 small business, so I worry for them.  In my opinion, their best selling
 bikes are always the cheapest bikes on the floor.  Visitors come in, they
 dig the vibe, they like the people, they like that you can get a nice
 comfortable reliable bike and not be race-vibed by the salespeople.  So you
 buy the cheapest bike they offer because dang, they're expensive.  That
 used to be a $2500 Hillborne.  Now it'll be a $1500 Clem Smith.  I worry a
 little that they can only get through a certain number of bikes per year,
 and the are going to drag down the average price, which might hurt their
 bottom line.  I'm not worried about diluting the brand, but I'm not certain
 how good a business decision the Clem Smith may be.  I bet it's a really
 cool bike, and those who buy it will love it.

 On Sunday, September 21, 2014 5:07:01 PM UTC-7, Peter M wrote:

 From the site

 All our bikes have lugged steel frames, which makes 95 percent of the
 country think they’re old-fashioned and slow (not true), and 4.5 percent
 think they’re homages to the past; also not true. Lugged steel is the
 strongest and most beautiful way to make bicycle frames and we've been
 doing nothing but lugged steel for almost 20 here in Walnut Creek,
 California.

 Not my words, I guess the site/philosophy will just have to be amended,
 no problem!
 On Sep 21, 2014 7:47 PM, Mobile Bill wfi...@rocketmail.com wrote:

 I'll add a small voice to the discussion:
 What is it that Riv does for the bike market? I love my lugs, wouldn't
 trade em, but I'd have to say that lugs are only a very small, and perhaps
 insignificant reason for buying another Riv. Riv's overall design
 leadership and thoughtfulness is one. Many of the factors that once made
 Riv distinctive have been adopted by other bike designers -- ranging from
 tire capacity to chainstay length to general disregard for racebike design
 doctrine. But much about Riv remains distinctive. When I compare other
 bikes, I have to wonder whether the manufacturers will have thought as
 carefully about fit, and about handlebar placement relative to seat height,
 and about how to make the bike genuinely useful in multiple situations.
 There are other semi-custom bike designers and dispensers who use TIG
 exclusively, and I'd be happy to buy those bikes, except I've tried em, and
 they have an unpleasant feel or fit or they have limited use, because their
 design philosophy is different (and often much less thoughtful and
 sophisticated).
 Riv being Riv isn't about 100 percent lugged.

 On Friday, September 19, 2014 3:20:02 PM UTC-5, Peter M wrote:

 A Tig welded Rivendell? say it aint so

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Re: [RBW] 67cm Rivendell Redwood

it's already been posted, and I don't think Rivendell made a 67, I think
it's a 68.

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[RBW] Re: Rivendell Quickbeam single speed, 58 cm, $800

2014-09-22 Thread Conway Bennett

I'm interested but can't find the listing.

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Re: [RBW] 67cm Rivendell Redwood

Are the inner chainstays dimpled on this model?  Wondering if it would make
a good 650b conversion.

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[RBW] Re: Considering my first Riv purchase and looking for helpful advice

2014-09-22 Thread dougP

As well executed as the LHT is (and they are quite serviceable bikes), I 
submit that you would notice a difference between that and a Sam.  One of 
my touring buds rode an LHT for a number of years and was pleased with it.  
His dear wife knew he really appreciated the Atlantis but would never 
indulge himself, so she bought one for him in the same size as his LHT.  
After quite a bit of time riding both bikes, he concluded that the Atlantis 
really was superior.  It was more responsive and rode better both loaded 
and unloaded.  The LHT seemed to need some load to soften up the ride.  He 
ended up selling the LHT.  

The Atlantis is built heavier / stouter / intended to carry more stuff than 
the Sam.  During a recent visit to RBWHQ, I rode several bikes to check out 
different handlebars.  One of them was a Sam  I noticed it felt lighter  
more responsive than my Atlantis.  Many list members have done light 
touring with a Sam.  For the service you describe, the Sam is ideal.  The 
intended use for the LHT is the heavy duty, 4 bags plus more stuff tour, 
and it's likely over-kill for what you describe.  

Just my observations  opinions.  I hope someone in your area can connect 
with you for a test ride of a Sam.  Then you'll be able to make a fully 
informed choice.  Good luck in your search.

dougP

On Monday, September 22, 2014 3:02:14 AM UTC-7, Ty Jeske wrote:

 I've been riding a bargain lugged steel Schwinn Traveler (1982) for the 
 last several years. The frame is a little small for me and I've sunk 
 several times its purchase price into repairs, but it has been a reliable 
 and mostly comfortable steed. For the last week though, I've been borrowing 
 a friend's Long Haul Trucker and I've come to realize that the last 30 
 years have brought desirable advances to bicycle technology. The time has 
 finally come to make an upgrade. I love the ride of steel, and the look of 
 lugged steel in particular, so I'm looking between the LHT and the 
 Rivendell Sam Hillborne. The advantage of the LHT is that I'm riding one 
 now and know exactly what I'd be getting. It's also about half the cost of 
 the Sam. The Sam has the advantage of beautiful lugs, possibly superior 
 components, and a reputation for lasting a lifetime. It also fits my ideal 
 of a comfortable go-anywhere bike. Does anybody have any experience with 
 both that may help me decide? Even better, does anyone know how I may go 
 about test riding the Sam Hillborne? I'm in Tampa FL.

 I plan to use the bike much as I do my current one. Mostly recreational 
 rides (15-40 mi), fetching groceries, etc. The occasional overnight camping 
 trip and rare credit card or light touring. Whatever I get will need to 
 take me through the level wooded area and fields between my house and the 
 nearest paved bike trail.


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Re: [RBW] 67cm Rivendell Redwood

2014-09-22 Thread Kieran J

I was just messing around converting my Rambouillet to 650b with Hetres 
over the weekend, and there is enough clearance without dimples. It's 
sorta-close-but-not-really. I imagine the Redwood is the same at the 
chainstays (?)

KJ


On Monday, September 22, 2014 1:26:23 PM UTC-4, Jim Bronson wrote:

 Are the inner chainstays dimpled on this model?  Wondering if it would 
 make a good 650b conversion.


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[RBW] Re: An Orange County S24O

2014-09-22 Thread dougP

We left Irvine around 2 PM Saturday  were back before 11 AM Sunday, so for 
once we actually did an S24O, transit time to  from the start 
notwithstanding.  Thanks to Norm Moyer, our Prime Mover and enabler of all 
things bicycle touring, Dev Sellin for hauling out the camp kitchen in her 
car, and Bill Sellin (Mr Bill) for a breakfast of Endless Oatmeal  
Bottomless Coffee.The video is a group of around 6-8 people on bikes (duh!) 
who circled the campground 3x.  Of course we cheered them on.

dougP  

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 It's all about who you know. And having having friends in high places! 

 Doug P's local bike club, the Bicycle Club of Irvine 
 https://www.facebook.com/pages/Bicycle-Club-of-Irvine/119270471442357, 
 was having a semi-annual S24O get-together in O'Neill Regional Park. One 
 thing led to another, and the next thing I knew I was carrying camping gear 
 for myself and my 12 y.o. across the wilds of deepest, darkest coastal 
 Southern California! 

 Met a great bunch of folks, had an 18 mile ride to the park, festive 
 dinner at a local hidden in the hills cantina, the woke up and reversed the 
 route. My custom AR handled perfectly, along with every bike there. Side 
 note: Really, really like the REI Half Dome 2. Good tent!

 Pictures of good times being had by all:  
 https://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/sets/72157647473491658 

 Cheers,
 David

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[RBW] Re: Considering my first Riv purchase and looking for helpful advice

2014-09-22 Thread Daniel M

I will submit my opinion to add to the variety.

I owned a Sam Hillborne for two years. I bought it brand new, rode it in a 
double-century, later added front and rear racks and rode it from Berkeley 
to the Oregon-Washington border and back. It was/is a near-perfect all 
rounder.

So why did I sell it? I wanted something with smaller wheels and bigger 
tires. The Hillborne in my size (no longer made 56cm, single top tube, 
cantilever brakes) happened to come with 700c wheels and I was running the 
biggest tires that I could fit with fenders: Schwalbe Marathon Supreme 
700x40. What happened is that I finally built the touring bike of my dreams 
with a Rohloff hub and 26 wheels (and currently running 60mm tires with 
fenders) and I was kind of blown away by the stability of the touring 
geometry coupled with the agility of the smaller wheels. The Hillborne was 
incredibly stable on descents but REALLY reluctant to change direction 
quickly around town - kind of the complaint about 29ers (AKA 700c) that has 
sent people to 27.5 (AKA 650b) in the mountain bike world. If I hadn't 
built up the touring bike, I would probably still own the Hillborne, but I 
didn't need two touring bikes, so when I stumbled across a 
reasonably-priced used 650b randonneuring bike I bought it and sold the 
Hillborne for the same amount of money.

When it came time to choose an all-around bike for my wife, who is 5'10, 
we chose a Long Haul Trucker in the 58cm frame size with 26 wheels. We 
also swapped out the drop handlebars for upright, swept bars, and replaced 
the canti brakes with V-brakes. I really think it is the ideal all-round 
bike. So comfortable, capable of hauling whatever you can put on it, and 
2.0 (50mm) Big Apples are wonderfully smooth on pavement and stable and 
capable off of it. If my main uses were as you describe, rides under 40 
miles, getting groceries, and occasional touring, I would get it over the 
Hillborne in a heartbeat. If I intended to ride mostly lightly loaded and 
for longer distances (60+ miles), then I would seriously consider the 
Hillborne, which is less of a tank and more of a road bike, although the 
lack of canti posts on the current offerings I find really disappointing.

My two cents in a nutshell.

Daniel M
Berkeley, CA

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[RBW] Any Bridgestone XO-1's looking for a good home?

2014-09-22 Thread Justin Schoop

Searching for a 59cm XO-1. Just thought I'd ask around. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Blug post

I appreciate the response, Peter.  

On Monday, September 22, 2014 10:11:42 AM UTC-7, Peter M wrote:

 I love Rivendell and the people but when your mantra for 20 years is 
 Always lugged it seems a bit disingenuous now to say hey we have tig 
 welded frame but its still a Rivendell right? 


I can understand that you feel that way.  They celebrate being 100% lugs, 
but I've never read anywhere where they said TIG was bad.  They just say 
lugs are more beautiful.  They frequently tell their customers to buy an 
LHT if they don't want to pay for a Sam.  Now that they have something that 
splits the difference feels more like an evolutionary survival step than a 
sell-out.  I don't feel lied-to, but that's me.  You get to react your way, 
and I have no problem with it.  
 

 I dont feel this affects me at all personally but so many companies have 
 mission statements and whatnot and just go right back on what they said and 
 this seems like more of the same.  The question bill posits has merit but I 
 will add another-will someone who wouldn't have bought a Sam or Chevy buy a 
 Clem? Or will they just admire the bikes then go to Surly/Salsa/VO and get 
 an even cheaper frame if there was no Clem at all.


I think this may be exactly what Riv is betting on, especially since they 
are discontinuing the Hillborne.  I have no idea whether it will work. 
 Definitely the people looking for the absolute cheapest (name your thing) 
will tend to buy cheaper things.  The thing that VO Salsa and Surly still 
fail to offer is something that looks decent with high handlebars.  Ugly is 
in the eye of the beholder, but you know what I'm talking about.  If people 
want something with a traditional road bike silhouette but as cheap as 
possible, those people probably won't buy a Rivendell.  If somebody comes 
in an discovers you can ride a quality bike that rides well and is 
COMFORTABLE, that transformative experience is what makes lifetime Riv 
customers.  Also, unlike you and me, the majority of Riv customers want to 
buy a complete bike and just have it be done.  Planning a build is an 
enormous headache for the majority of people.  
 

 I just hate to see a race towards the bottom, if that's where this is 
 going. 


That's an important IF.  I'll give Rivendell the benefit of the doubt 
that we're not racing to the bottom.  
 

 More smart is the rollout of Silver branded tubes and whatnot. If they are 
 going away from lugs on this project and theoretically bringing in new 
 customers that would never have bought a Rivendell they need a hook that's 
 more than a cheaper but still pricey for alot of people-bike. 

 On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 12:48 PM, Bill Lindsay tape...@gmail.com 
 javascript: wrote:

 Peter

 I'm interested in the way(s) you think Rivendell is diluting their brand 
 by offering a partially tig-welded bike.  Is it just the hypocrisy of 
 saying lugs lugs lugs all the time and now making an exception to save 
 money makes them look like sellouts, or something?  Does the presence of 
 non-lugged joints in the Riv lineup now make you personally less likely to 
 buy a Rivendell, because the brand is less pure?  Are you complaining that 
 the resale value of your own Rivendell has been damaged by the presence of 
 some tig joints?  Are you opining that the general cycling public will now 
 think less of Rivendell and that will harm their bottom line?  

 Personally I'm often a handwringer about Rivendell's balance sheet.  I 
 like the people, and I know what it's like to worry about the finances of a 
 small business, so I worry for them.  In my opinion, their best selling 
 bikes are always the cheapest bikes on the floor.  Visitors come in, they 
 dig the vibe, they like the people, they like that you can get a nice 
 comfortable reliable bike and not be race-vibed by the salespeople.  So you 
 buy the cheapest bike they offer because dang, they're expensive.  That 
 used to be a $2500 Hillborne.  Now it'll be a $1500 Clem Smith.  I worry a 
 little that they can only get through a certain number of bikes per year, 
 and the are going to drag down the average price, which might hurt their 
 bottom line.  I'm not worried about diluting the brand, but I'm not certain 
 how good a business decision the Clem Smith may be.  I bet it's a really 
 cool bike, and those who buy it will love it.  

 On Sunday, September 21, 2014 5:07:01 PM UTC-7, Peter M wrote:

 From the site

 All our bikes have lugged steel frames, which makes 95 percent of the 
 country think they’re old-fashioned and slow (not true), and 4.5 percent 
 think they’re homages to the past; also not true. Lugged steel is the 
 strongest and most beautiful way to make bicycle frames and we've been 
 doing nothing but lugged steel for almost 20 here in Walnut Creek, 
 California.

 Not my words, I guess the site/philosophy will just have to be amended, 
 no problem! 
 On Sep 21, 2014 7:47 PM, Mobile Bill wfi...@rocketmail.com wrote:

 I'll add a small

[RBW] Re: An Orange County S24O

Fantastic! What a great weekend!

With abandon,
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[RBW] Friend just ordered the King of Homers!

2014-09-22 Thread Avery Wilson

Just thought I'd share with the group -

I was just sitting in my kitchen with my 6'5 friend Dan who has a 100.5 
PBH while he ordered what will be the first bike to ever fit him property - 
a 71cm A. Homer Hilsen!

This is going to be quite the upgrade from a 60cm racy Soma Smoothie that 
has a myriad of stem extenders and about a foot of seatpost showing :)

I'm just excited for my friend and wanted to share..  I'm also excited to 
see in person and help build up this rarest of all Homers in a few months!

Avery

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[RBW] Re: Friend just ordered the King of Homers!

I've heard there are some 73s out there also.  Congratulate him for all of 
us.  Those bikes are so freaking rad.  

On Monday, September 22, 2014 11:33:07 AM UTC-7, Avery Wilson wrote:

 Just thought I'd share with the group -

 I was just sitting in my kitchen with my 6'5 friend Dan who has a 100.5 
 PBH while he ordered what will be the first bike to ever fit him property - 
 a 71cm A. Homer Hilsen!

 This is going to be quite the upgrade from a 60cm racy Soma Smoothie that 
 has a myriad of stem extenders and about a foot of seatpost showing :)

 I'm just excited for my friend and wanted to share..  I'm also excited to 
 see in person and help build up this rarest of all Homers in a few months!

 Avery


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Re: [RBW] Re: Blug post


On 09/22/2014 02:27 PM, Bill Lindsay wrote:
I think this may be exactly what Riv is betting on, especially since 
they are discontinuing the Hillborne.  I have no idea whether it will 
work.  Definitely the people looking for the absolute cheapest (name 
your thing) will tend to buy cheaper things.  The thing that VO Salsa 
and Surly still fail to offer is something that looks decent with high 
handlebars.  Ugly is in the eye of the beholder, but you know what I'm 
talking about.  If people want something with a traditional road bike 
silhouette but as cheap as possible, those people probably won't buy a 
Rivendell.  If somebody comes in an discovers you can ride a quality 
bike that rides well and is COMFORTABLE, that transformative 
experience is what makes lifetime Riv customers.  Also, unlike you and 
me, the majority of Riv customers want to buy a complete bike and just 
have it be done.  Planning a build is an enormous headache for the 
majority of people. 


I truly hope Rivendell isn't becoming a bike company interested only in 
bikes with super high handlebars.


As for the headaches in planning a build, it's not just the effort of 
picking and choosing, it's also the gouging you get when you buy the 
parts retail.  You cannot buy even the group used on the built-up Surly 
LHT at retail for what a complete LHT costs.


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[RBW] Re: Friend just ordered the King of Homers!

That is one tall Homer! Wow. I'm also excited for your long-legged friend, 
getting to ride a bike that fits for the first time. How cool is that? 

With abandon,
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Re: [RBW] Two for the big boys

2014-09-22 Thread Joe Broach

Oops, James and Jim are right. Rom/Redwood came in odd sizes through 65,
but the tall Redwood was a 68. Sorry for the bad info!

Best,
joe broach
portland, or

On Sun, Sep 21, 2014 at 10:37 PM, James Warren jimcwar...@earthlink.net
wrote:

Redwoods came in 65 and 68. That one was probably estimated from a
center-to-center measurement. It looks like a 68.

On Sep 21, 2014, at 10:23 PM, Joe Broach wrote:

Jim,

The Rom/Red were on the odd numbers, Ram was on the even. Roms up to 63cm
then Redwoods in 65 67.

Best,
joe broach
portland, or

On Sun, Sep 21, 2014 at 9:53 PM, Jim Bronson jim.bron...@gmail.com
wrote:

The Redwood didn't come in 67, it came in 68, IIRC. Not sure what the
next smaller size would have been.

On Sun, Sep 21, 2014 at 10:08 PM, Goshen Peter uscpeter11...@gmail.com
wrote:
Great prices too, IMO

http://www.ebay.com/itm/67cm-Rivendell-Redwood-/291247953084?pt=US_Bicycles_Frameshash=item43cfbb14bc

http://www.ebay.com/itm/68cm-Rivendell-Ramboulliet-/291248387059?pt=US_Bicycles_Frameshash=item43cfc1b3f3

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Re: [RBW] Re: Friend just ordered the King of Homers!

2014-09-22 Thread Avery E Wilson

73!? That's wild! Riv refers to the 71 as the King of Homers  on the
webpage, so I was just repeating that.
Either way, the soon to be owner is one of my best friends with whom I look
forward to riding our Homers together for years to come. A 61 and 71 riding
side by side down some remote gravel road in the countryside of Southern
Indiana.. Oh the joy!
On Sep 22, 2014 2:39 PM, Bill Lindsay tapebu...@gmail.com wrote:

 I've heard there are some 73s out there also.  Congratulate him for all of
 us.  Those bikes are so freaking rad.

 On Monday, September 22, 2014 11:33:07 AM UTC-7, Avery Wilson wrote:

 Just thought I'd share with the group -

 I was just sitting in my kitchen with my 6'5 friend Dan who has a 100.5
 PBH while he ordered what will be the first bike to ever fit him property -
 a 71cm A. Homer Hilsen!

 This is going to be quite the upgrade from a 60cm racy Soma Smoothie that
 has a myriad of stem extenders and about a foot of seatpost showing :)

 I'm just excited for my friend and wanted to share..  I'm also excited to
 see in person and help build up this rarest of all Homers in a few months!

 Avery

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Re: [RBW] Re: Blug post

Super high is in the eye of the beholder.  :-)

Drop bars as high as yours, I call super high.  It was transformative for 
me to test ride a Hillborne with drop bars level with the saddle.  You knew 
all about that and I think never bought into really low bars.  I cut my 
teeth in the 1980s when everyone wanted their bike to look like Greg 
Lemond's bike.  I think you and I are the same size (SH = 75.5cm) and I 
used to ride 56cm bikes.  That first Hillborne I rode changed my whole 
outlook, and I bought the frame pretty much on the spot.  Since then, my 
whole stable evolved.  My road bike still looks like a road bike, but it 
takes 32s and the bars are just a little below the stem, instead of 4 
below.  

Like you, I want to see Riv continue to offer Atlantis/Hilsen/Roadeo as 
sensible drop bar bikes.  That's still a kick-butt trifecta of models.  

I still think you could really have a ball on an Alba bike, or maybe even a 
Bosco bike.  Maybe even a man-mixte.  I am not holding my breath, though.  

On Monday, September 22, 2014 11:40:57 AM UTC-7, Steve Palincsar wrote:

 On 09/22/2014 02:27 PM, Bill Lindsay wrote: 
  I think this may be exactly what Riv is betting on, especially since 
  they are discontinuing the Hillborne.  I have no idea whether it will 
  work.  Definitely the people looking for the absolute cheapest (name 
  your thing) will tend to buy cheaper things.  The thing that VO Salsa 
  and Surly still fail to offer is something that looks decent with high 
  handlebars.  Ugly is in the eye of the beholder, but you know what I'm 
  talking about.  If people want something with a traditional road bike 
  silhouette but as cheap as possible, those people probably won't buy a 
  Rivendell.  If somebody comes in an discovers you can ride a quality 
  bike that rides well and is COMFORTABLE, that transformative 
  experience is what makes lifetime Riv customers.  Also, unlike you and 
  me, the majority of Riv customers want to buy a complete bike and just 
  have it be done.  Planning a build is an enormous headache for the 
  majority of people. 

 I truly hope Rivendell isn't becoming a bike company interested only in 
 bikes with super high handlebars. 

 As for the headaches in planning a build, it's not just the effort of 
 picking and choosing, it's also the gouging you get when you buy the 
 parts retail.  You cannot buy even the group used on the built-up Surly 
 LHT at retail for what a complete LHT costs. 


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Re: [RBW] Re: Considering my first Riv purchase and looking for helpful advice

Buy my Bombadil!
On Sep 22, 2014 1:57 PM, Daniel M dpmay...@hotmail.com wrote:

 I will submit my opinion to add to the variety.

 I owned a Sam Hillborne for two years. I bought it brand new, rode it in a
 double-century, later added front and rear racks and rode it from Berkeley
 to the Oregon-Washington border and back. It was/is a near-perfect all
 rounder.

 So why did I sell it? I wanted something with smaller wheels and bigger
 tires. The Hillborne in my size (no longer made 56cm, single top tube,
 cantilever brakes) happened to come with 700c wheels and I was running the
 biggest tires that I could fit with fenders: Schwalbe Marathon Supreme
 700x40. What happened is that I finally built the touring bike of my dreams
 with a Rohloff hub and 26 wheels (and currently running 60mm tires with
 fenders) and I was kind of blown away by the stability of the touring
 geometry coupled with the agility of the smaller wheels. The Hillborne was
 incredibly stable on descents but REALLY reluctant to change direction
 quickly around town - kind of the complaint about 29ers (AKA 700c) that has
 sent people to 27.5 (AKA 650b) in the mountain bike world. If I hadn't
 built up the touring bike, I would probably still own the Hillborne, but I
 didn't need two touring bikes, so when I stumbled across a
 reasonably-priced used 650b randonneuring bike I bought it and sold the
 Hillborne for the same amount of money.

 When it came time to choose an all-around bike for my wife, who is 5'10,
 we chose a Long Haul Trucker in the 58cm frame size with 26 wheels. We
 also swapped out the drop handlebars for upright, swept bars, and replaced
 the canti brakes with V-brakes. I really think it is the ideal all-round
 bike. So comfortable, capable of hauling whatever you can put on it, and
 2.0 (50mm) Big Apples are wonderfully smooth on pavement and stable and
 capable off of it. If my main uses were as you describe, rides under 40
 miles, getting groceries, and occasional touring, I would get it over the
 Hillborne in a heartbeat. If I intended to ride mostly lightly loaded and
 for longer distances (60+ miles), then I would seriously consider the
 Hillborne, which is less of a tank and more of a road bike, although the
 lack of canti posts on the current offerings I find really disappointing.

 My two cents in a nutshell.

 Daniel M
 Berkeley, CA

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[RBW] Favorite new rumors from the industry, Interbike-ish stuff

My cousin manages a largish shop in Southern California.  My brother in law 
is close friends with the owner of Jenson USA.  I saw my cousin and my 
brother in law this weekend, and got two juicy rumors from Interbike.  

1.  Paul is making Disc brake calipers, called the Klamper.
2.  Phil Wood showed a 13 speed cassette hub.  

I don't know if the hub thing is a joke, like Sheldons ultra microdrive 
thing.  I'm curious about disc brakes, but have never felt the need to have 
them.  Paul getting in the game is interesting.  

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Re: [RBW] Re: Blug post

2014-09-22 Thread J C

I had a glimpse of the frame. It has a lug, and my, what a lug it is. For 
those worried about the TIG welding there's another detail that might cause 
an uproar. I doubt this is the future direction they're headed, just 
something they wanted to do and are doing.

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[RBW] FS: 57cm Velo Orange Campeur; 54cm Moser Leader AX; 16.5 Breezer Lightening

2014-09-22 Thread Scott Calhoun

 

FS: 57cm Velo Orange Campeur, 59cm Surly Steamroller; 54cm Moser Leader AX, 
16.5” Breezer Lightening 

 

At my spouses gentle, and not so gentle urging, it is time to let go of 
some really great steel frames. I had big dreams for these frames, but a 
garage remodel means I must part with these darlings. There are all Arizona 
bikes with no rust whatsoever. I think my prices are fair, but if you must 
bargain, then do.

 

So, here they are. All prices include shipping to the CON-US. 

 

NIB 57cm Velo Orange Campeur frameset. Great all-arounder frame with almost 
every imaginable braze-on that can be used for touring and about anything 
else you can ask of a bike. It is just like new, but I did install, and 
then remove a headset. It will be shipped in the original Velo Orange box 
with the original packaging. Specs and geometry here: 
http://store.velo-orange.com/index.php/frames/vo-campeur-frame.html $425 
PRICE DROP: $375

 

Lightly Used 59cm Surly Steamroller single speed frameset. Nice ivory 
“Creamroller” color. 587mm toptube. 835mm standover. Includes Cane Creek 
(S-9 I think) 1/1/8” threadless headset. Some normal wear from locking, but 
no dents.Lovely riding tough frame that gets lots of compliments around 
town. SOLD

 

90s 54cm Moser AX Silver Filet Brazed Racing Frameset. This is a 
super-racy, Ferrrari of a bike. It is made from ultra light thin-walled 
Oria tubing and has fantastic looking chrome work on the seat and chain 
stays as well as the inside of the fork blades. It has Shimano dropouts, 
including really unusual semi-vertical rears with adjustment screws. Unlike 
the examples you see on Ebay from Poland and Hungary that have seen hard 
use, this bike has never raced or wrecked, I bought the frame from its 
original elderly owner. Some wear and a few spots that have been touched 
up, but otherwise perfect. This frame was designed to use an expensive 
Campy quill seatpost, but it was professionally modified to accept a 
standard 27.2 seatpost. It is lighter than any other steel frame I own (I 
don’t have a scale, but it feels light). I’d call it an 8.5/10.  130mm rear 
spacing. 54cm tt (ctc), 54cm st (ctc), 58cm st (ctt). I’m including a Campy 
Record 111mm BB for a triple. It is Italian threaded. $475 PRICE DROP: $365

 

16.5” MUSA Breezer Lightening Mountain Bike Frameset. In a lot of ways, 
this light and thin-walled tubeset rides like my old MB-Zip. The fork is an 
original Spinner and the color combination is a classic black and ivory. 
The frame has a few spots that have been touched up and a couple of small 
dents, but it is straight and sound. 26” wheels, canti posts, 135 qr rear, 
100mm qr front. Effective top tube is somewhere around 56-57cm. 1 1/8” 
steerer. Bars, stem, and Chris King Headset in photos not included. $300 
PRICE DROP: $250

 

Photos available here:  
https://www.flickr.com/photos/scalhoun/sets/72157647743760611/

P.S. Depending on how spousal negotiations go, I’ll may be posting a few 
more steel frames and some Campy 9 and 10speed components early next week. 

Please respond off-list. Thanks,

 

Scott Calhoun

Tucson, Arizona

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[RBW] WTT Sackville BarSack and Nitto rack

2014-09-22 Thread Mike C518

Howdy,
I have a Sackville BarSack dark greenish olive bag along with Nitto barsack 
rack F15 that I would like to trade for a Sackville SaddleSack Large, but not 
in tan (sorry). 

I bought the set up about a year ago and rode it for about a month before I 
decided that I'm a basket kinda guy. It's been sitting in my room ever since. 
Both the bag and rack are in Excellent condition. It might be a weird trade 
request but I've been eying the large sackville saddlesack for a while now and 
saw one in person yesterday. I am totally sold, the thing is amazing! 

I would prefer to make a trade but am willing to sell. 

$210 shipped
$200 local- Portland, OR. 

Thanks 

Mike

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Re: [RBW] Favorite new rumors from the industry, Interbike-ish stuff

2014-09-22 Thread Geoff Klingsporn

The Paul disc calipers are not a rumor, but an actual thing:
http://theradavist.com/2014/09/paul-component-klamper-road-cross-disc-brakes-coming-soon/

The Phil 13-speed is a prototype, currently fatbike-only.
http://www.vitalmtb.com/photos/features/INTERBIKE-Part-2-Some-of-the-Latest-and-Greatest-for-2015,8119/Prototype-13-Speed-Phil-Wood-Hub,82146/bturman,109

Geoff
(Denver)

On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 1:37 PM, Bill Lindsay tapebu...@gmail.com wrote:

My cousin manages a largish shop in Southern California. My brother in
law is close friends with the owner of Jenson USA. I saw my cousin and my
brother in law this weekend, and got two juicy rumors from Interbike.

1. Paul is making Disc brake calipers, called the Klamper.
2. Phil Wood showed a 13 speed cassette hub.

I don't know if the hub thing is a joke, like Sheldons ultra microdrive
thing. I'm curious about disc brakes, but have never felt the need to have
them. Paul getting in the game is interesting.

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Re: [RBW] FS: 57cm Velo Orange Campeur, 59cm Surly Steamroller; 54cm Moser Leader AX, 16.5 Breezer Lightening

2014-09-22 Thread Scott Calhoun

Peter, 

I agree with you about the Breezer. I've always wanted one of the Breezers 
with this color combo. I planned on building this up for my daughter, but 
she grew up moved to Europe before I finished the project. Well, at least I 
did finish a Reparto Corse Bianchi for her that we got to ride together 
before she moved...


On Friday, September 19, 2014 10:59:00 AM UTC-7, Peter M wrote:

 Great bikes, I love the Breezer! Only 3 sizes too small, haha! 
 On Sep 19, 2014 1:56 PM, Scott Calhoun sc...@zonagardens.com 
 javascript: wrote:

 At my spouses gentle, and not so gentle urging, it is time to let go of 
 some really great steel frames. I had big dreams for these frames, but a 
 garage remodel means I must part with these darlings. There are all Arizona 
 bikes with no rust whatsoever. I think my prices are fair, but if you must 
 bargain, then do.

  

 So, here they are. All prices include shipping to the CON-US. 

  

 NIB 57cm Velo Orange Campeur frameset. Great all-arounder frame with 
 almost every imaginable braze-on that can be used for touring and about 
 anything else you can ask of a bike. It is just like new, but I did 
 install, and then remove a headset. It will be shipped in the original Velo 
 Orange box with the original packaging. Specs and geometry here: 
 http://store.velo-orange.com/index.php/frames/vo-campeur-frame.html $425

  

 Lightly Used 59cm Surly Steamroller single speed frameset. Nice ivory 
 “Creamroller” color. 587mm toptube. 835mm standover. Includes Cane Creek 
 (S-9 I think) 1/1/8” threadless headset. Some normal wear from locking, but 
 no dents.Lovely riding tough frame that gets lots of compliments around 
 town. $290 

  

 90s 54cm Moser AX Silver Filet Brazed Racing Frameset. This is a 
 super-racy, Ferrrari of a bike. It is made from ultra light thin-walled 
 Oria tubing and has fantastic looking chrome work on the seat and chain 
 stays as well as the inside of the fork blades. It has Shimano dropouts, 
 including really unusual semi-vertical rears with adjustment screws. Unlike 
 the examples you see on Ebay from Poland and Hungary that have seen hard 
 use, this bike has never raced or wrecked, I bought the frame from its 
 original elderly owner. Some wear and a few spots that have been touched 
 up, but otherwise perfect. This frame was designed to use an expensive 
 Campy quill seatpost, but it was professionally modified to accept a 
 standard 27.2 seatpost. It is lighter than any other steel frame I own (I 
 don’t have a scale, but it feels light). I’d call it an 8.5/10.  130mm rear 
 spacing. 54cm tt (ctc), 54cm st (ctc), 58cm st (ctt). I’m including a Campy 
 Record 111mm BB for a triple. It is Italian threaded. Record headset in 
 photos not included. $475

  

 16.5” MUSA Breezer Lightening Mountain Bike Frameset. In a lot of ways, 
 this light and thin-walled tubeset rides like my old MB-Zip. The fork is an 
 original Spinner and the color combination is a classic black and ivory. 
 The frame has a few spots that have been touched up and a couple of small 
 dents, but it is straight and sound. 26” wheels, canti posts, 135 qr rear, 
 100mm qr front. Effective top tube is somewhere around 56-57cm. 1 1/8” 
 steerer. Bars, stem, and Chris King Headset in photos not included. $300

  

 Photos available here:  
 https://www.flickr.com/photos/scalhoun/sets/72157647743760611/

 P.S. I've also posted this to the IBob list. Depending on how spousal 
 negotiations go, I may be posting a few more steel frames and some Campy 9 
 and 10speed components early next week. 

 Please respond off-list. Thanks,

  

 Scott Calhoun

 Tucson, Arizona
  
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[RBW] Re: Favorite new rumors from the industry, Interbike-ish stuff

2014-09-22 Thread Brewster Fong


On Monday, September 22, 2014 12:37:07 PM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:

 My cousin manages a largish shop in Southern California.  My brother in 
 law is close friends with the owner of Jenson USA.  I saw my cousin and my 
 brother in law this weekend, and got two juicy rumors from Interbike.  

 1.  Paul is making Disc brake calipers, called the Klamper.

 
Saw some criticizm of them already:
 
Too small. Not enough heat absorption/dissipation. Well, that is unless 
they are designed to continue to work when they are red hot.
 
Also, compared to Avid bb7(?) with critcizm of those disc: 
The most common overheating issue with BB7 brakes is that the plastic 
adjusting knobs melt.

Being a mechanism with close fitting moving parts, differing rates of 
thermal expansion have to be considered in the design of a mechanical 
caliper. If not designed properly, the mechanism could jam when overheated. 
The BB7 probably benefits from the ball bearing mechanism, which is 
probably tolerant of some mis-match in thermal expansion. I hope the 
designers of the *Paul* brake have also accounted for this. 
 
Yeah CTE mismatch is usually a major problem with a mechanical assembly 
that involves heat. Ideally, all the components in an assembly are made of 
a similar material to minimize various thermal expansion rates. You will 
have stress build up on an assembly just sitting around by heating and 
cooling it let alone having it functioning. With that said, thermal 
expansion and heat sinking are two different things and must be addressed 
separately. 
 
Moreover, being Paul, you know its going to be pricey!  Nevertheless, 
people like Paul and they'll probably sell all the make! Good Luck!
 

 2.  Phil Wood showed a 13 speed cassette hub.  

 I don't know if the hub thing is a joke, like Sheldons ultra microdrive 
 thing.  I'm curious about disc brakes, but have never felt the need to have 
 them.  Paul getting in the game is interesting.  


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Re: [RBW] Re: Blug post

Tell me Unicrown fork and I will plotz, haha

On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 3:30 PM, J C jamesallyncar...@gmail.com wrote:

 I had a glimpse of the frame. It has a lug, and my, what a lug it is. For
 those worried about the TIG welding there's another detail that might cause
 an uproar. I doubt this is the future direction they're headed, just
 something they wanted to do and are doing.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Blug post

2014-09-22 Thread James Warren

A few years ago there was a yellow Hillborne that had an undertube, and the undertube was not lugged. Itmight have been fillet-brazed.I still considered it a nice, lugged frame. I failed to find photos of that beauty online. Someone at Rivendell owned it, I believe.
-Original Message- From: Bill Lindsay Sent: Sep 22, 2014 6:54 AM To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Blug post "My Sam Hillborne's tig welded. "I'll bite*Really?* I'd love to see pictures of a tig welded Sam Hillborne. Bill fearing-he-got-trapped-in-a-rhetorical-trap LindsayOn Sunday, September 21, 2014 9:31:29 PM UTC-7, Kainalu wrote: My Sam Hillborne's tig welded. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Blug post

That was Jay Ritchey's Hillborne.  I have a shot of it in my flickr

On Monday, September 22, 2014 1:20:15 PM UTC-7, James Warren wrote:

 A few years ago there was a yellow Hillborne that had an undertube, and 
 the undertube was not lugged. It might have been fillet-brazed. I still 
 considered it a nice, lugged frame. I failed to find photos of that beauty 
 online. Someone at Rivendell owned it, I believe.

 -Original Message- 
 From: Bill Lindsay 
 Sent: Sep 22, 2014 6:54 AM 
 To: rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com javascript: 
 Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Blug post 

 My Sam Hillborne's tig welded. 

 I'll bite*Really?* I'd love to see pictures of a tig welded Sam 
 Hillborne. 

 Bill fearing-he-got-trapped-in-a-rhetorical-trap Lindsay

 On Sunday, September 21, 2014 9:31:29 PM UTC-7, Kainalu wrote:
 
  My Sam Hillborne's tig welded. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Blug post

Link to Jay's not-100-%-lugged Hillborne 
https://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/6324307454/

On Monday, September 22, 2014 1:21:56 PM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:

 That was Jay Ritchey's Hillborne.  I have a shot of it in my flickr




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Re: [RBW] Re: Blug post

2014-09-22 Thread 'Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch

Threadless stem?  

Let the guessing being!!  :)



On Monday, September 22, 2014 2:30:23 PM UTC-5, J C wrote:

 I had a glimpse of the frame. It has a lug, and my, what a lug it is. For 
 those worried about the TIG welding there's another detail that might cause 
 an uproar. I doubt this is the future direction they're headed, just 
 something they wanted to do and are doing.


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Re: [RBW] Re: Blug post

2014-09-22 Thread Tom Harrop

When I was waiting for my tentacular Bombadil in 2011, Keven told me the 
join where the diagatube meets the down tube and splits into mixte stays 
for the rear triangle was quite tricky to execute (I don't remember why), 
and the frame was sent from Waterford to Nobilette specifically for that 
joint. Maybe the new bike will have a diagatube with TIG weld(s) in this 
area?

For what it's worth (not a huge deal in my opinion), looking closely for 
the first time, I think my 2011 Bombadil already has 4 TIG welds where the 
tentacular mixte stays join the diagatube and chain/seat stays. It's 
slightly different to the join in that area on the Cheviot. I don't know 
nothin' about nothin', but if this classifies as a not-fully-lugged frame, 
it's still Riv enough for me!

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[RBW] Re: FS handlebars, stems - Nitto, Cinelli, Ritchey

2014-09-22 Thread Philip Williamson

UPDATE:
Nitto Grand Randonneur 135 is sold. 
Ritchey Force stem is no longer available, but the bar is still for sale: 
$15 shipped. 


On Saturday, September 20, 2014 9:58:14 PM UTC-7, Philip Williamson wrote:

 I have known for a while that I only like flared drop bars (Midge, 
 Woodchipper, etc), so it makes no sense to hang on to these bars. 
 Here's a selection of drops, flats and priesty bars for sale. Shipping is 
 included, Paypal is preferred. 

 Nitto stem. 100mm extension, 25.4 clamp, 115mm to max insertion line. 
 Looks like a Technomic deluxe. Good condition. Never installed.  
 $55 shipped

 Nitto Grand Randonneur 135. 45cm
 Looks new. Pretty bar. 
 $40 shipped

 Nitto  Moustache bar. RM016N ~51cm c-c
 Good condition, some tape gunk
 $35 shipped

 Cinelli Giro D'Italia 64-42. 42cm.
 Some scratches, lots of tape glue/gunk. Easy clean-up.
 $25 shipped

 Ritchey Force bar and stem. 56cm, 6 degree bend. 
 Black. Classic. Steel stem, moderate rise, 125mm reach. Some scratches, 
 dirt. Good rider bar
 $55 shipped 

 Nitto Dove Bar prototype. ~50cm c-c
 Scratched up (looks like shifters being moved down the bar without the 
 benefit of tools). Funny story about this bar. 
 Does NOT accept bar end shifters. 
 $15 shipped

 Unknown Sparrow-y / Jitensha-y bar. ~50cm c-c
 Scratched. Interesting shape. Not classy.
 $15 shipped


 Thanks for looking, pictures on request.

 Philip
 www.biketinker.com



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Re: [RBW] Re: Blug post


On 09/22/2014 04:21 PM, Bill Lindsay wrote:

That was Jay Ritchey's Hillborne.  I have a shot of it in my flickr


that certainly looks like fillet brazing




On Monday, September 22, 2014 1:20:15 PM UTC-7, James Warren wrote:

A few years ago there was a yellow Hillborne that had an
undertube, and the undertube was not lugged. It might have been
fillet-brazed. I still considered it a nice, lugged frame. I
failed to find photos of that beauty online. Someone at Rivendell
owned it, I believe.

-Original Message-
From: Bill Lindsay
Sent: Sep 22, 2014 6:54 AM
To: rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com javascript:
Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Blug post

My Sam Hillborne's tig welded. 

I'll bite*Really?* I'd love to see pictures of a tig
welded Sam
Hillborne.

Bill fearing-he-got-trapped-in-a-rhetorical-trap Lindsay

On Sunday, September 21, 2014 9:31:29 PM UTC-7, Kainalu wrote:

 My Sam Hillborne's tig welded.



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Re: [RBW] Blug post

2014-09-22 Thread Jason Hartman

Just wondering, but if Soma can build a Rivendell designed lugged frame
that sells for around $750, then why can't Riv do it themselves? They could
even eliminate the superfluous second top tube and even save some money.

I did a quick run through at Ben's Cycles website and came up with a decent
(not spectacular, but not crappy) build for around $600. No pedals or seat,
but those are personal preferences.

That's less than $1400 for a fully lugged bike that's available now.

Jay Hartman

On Monday, September 22, 2014, Tom Harrop twhar...@gmail.com wrote:

 When I was waiting for my tentacular Bombadil in 2011, Keven told me the
 join where the diagatube meets the down tube and splits into mixte stays
 for the rear triangle was quite tricky to execute (I don't remember why),
 and the frame was sent from Waterford to Nobilette specifically for that
 joint. Maybe the new bike will have a diagatube with TIG weld(s) in this
 area?

 For what it's worth (not a huge deal in my opinion), looking closely for
 the first time, I think my 2011 Bombadil already has 4 TIG welds where the
 tentacular mixte stays join the diagatube and chain/seat stays. It's
 slightly different to the join in that area on the Cheviot. I don't know
 nothin' about nothin', but if this classifies as a not-fully-lugged frame,
 it's still Riv enough for me!

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Re: [RBW] Blug post

Excellent point, but Riv can and does sell the San Marcos.  They sell it at 
a normal retail margins, just like the Soma store does.  With your decent 
build kit, it would be around $1500, and would be a nice bike.  

On Monday, September 22, 2014 2:13:58 PM UTC-7, jay hartman wrote:

 Just wondering, but if Soma can build a Rivendell designed lugged frame 
 that sells for around $750, then why can't Riv do it themselves? They could 
 even eliminate the superfluous second top tube and even save some money. 

 I did a quick run through at Ben's Cycles website and came up with a 
 decent (not spectacular, but not crappy) build for around $600. No pedals 
 or seat, but those are personal preferences. 

 That's less than $1400 for a fully lugged bike that's available now. 

 Jay Hartman

 On Monday, September 22, 2014, Tom Harrop twha...@gmail.com javascript: 
 wrote:

 When I was waiting for my tentacular Bombadil in 2011, Keven told me 
 the join where the diagatube meets the down tube and splits into mixte 
 stays for the rear triangle was quite tricky to execute (I don't remember 
 why), and the frame was sent from Waterford to Nobilette specifically for 
 that joint. Maybe the new bike will have a diagatube with TIG weld(s) in 
 this area?

 For what it's worth (not a huge deal in my opinion), looking closely for 
 the first time, I think my 2011 Bombadil already has 4 TIG welds where the 
 tentacular mixte stays join the diagatube and chain/seat stays. It's 
 slightly different to the join in that area on the Cheviot. I don't know 
 nothin' about nothin', but if this classifies as a not-fully-lugged frame, 
 it's still Riv enough for me!

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Quickbeam single speed, 58 cm, $800

2014-09-22 Thread Joan Oppel

Gosh, Patrick - I don't know whether I should forward this to Jonathan - or not! I do hope it finds a good home.JoanOn 09/22/14, Deacon Patricklamontg...@mac.com wrote:Somebody jump in this screaming deal! He looks to have underpriced it by $500 or more. Granted it needs the double chainring to have two plus gear options, but, wow.With abandon,Patrick-- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.



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Re: [RBW] 67cm Rivendell Redwood

2014-09-22 Thread David Banzer

I believe they are, I can check my 65cm Redwood. FWIW, mine fits true 35mm wide 
tires at 700c. 
BB drop is 77mm I believe, not ideal for a conversion but do-able with 170mm 
cranks, thin pedals, and minding pedaling around corners. 
David 
Chicago

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Re: [RBW] Blug post

2014-09-22 Thread 'Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch

The main issue I see with the San Marcos is that's a pretty specialized 
bike, in between a Roadeo and a Homer, if I remember correctly.  For some 
reason, the Hillborne has never appealed to me.  Ditto for the Mixtes.  I'm 
hoping the Clem Smith Jr. will be an all-rounder with 26 wheels into the 
larger sizes, like the Atlantis.  I'm guessing it's probably not but I can 
always hold out hope.   For $2000+, I would likely go with a custom bike 
from RE or Co-Motion but an Atlantis-like Riv, with a frameset in the 
price range of the San Marcos would be very tempting.  

 

On Monday, September 22, 2014 4:29:08 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:

 Excellent point, but Riv can and does sell the San Marcos.  They sell it 
 at a normal retail margins, just like the Soma store does.  With your 
 decent build kit, it would be around $1500, and would be a nice bike.  

 On Monday, September 22, 2014 2:13:58 PM UTC-7, jay hartman wrote:

 Just wondering, but if Soma can build a Rivendell designed lugged frame 
 that sells for around $750, then why can't Riv do it themselves? They could 
 even eliminate the superfluous second top tube and even save some money. 

 I did a quick run through at Ben's Cycles website and came up with a 
 decent (not spectacular, but not crappy) build for around $600. No pedals 
 or seat, but those are personal preferences. 

 That's less than $1400 for a fully lugged bike that's available now. 

 Jay Hartman

 On Monday, September 22, 2014, Tom Harrop twha...@gmail.com wrote:

 When I was waiting for my tentacular Bombadil in 2011, Keven told me 
 the join where the diagatube meets the down tube and splits into mixte 
 stays for the rear triangle was quite tricky to execute (I don't remember 
 why), and the frame was sent from Waterford to Nobilette specifically for 
 that joint. Maybe the new bike will have a diagatube with TIG weld(s) in 
 this area?

 For what it's worth (not a huge deal in my opinion), looking closely for 
 the first time, I think my 2011 Bombadil already has 4 TIG welds where the 
 tentacular mixte stays join the diagatube and chain/seat stays. It's 
 slightly different to the join in that area on the Cheviot. I don't know 
 nothin' about nothin', but if this classifies as a not-fully-lugged frame, 
 it's still Riv enough for me!

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Re: [RBW] Favorite new rumors from the industry, Interbike-ish stuff

2014-09-22 Thread Joe Broach

Yeah, the Paul calipers caught my eye, too. There's some useful discussion
http://www.velocipedesalon.com/forum/f2/new-mechanical-disc-caliper-pauls-38199.html
on vsalon. I've been trying to get up to speed on discs in case the XL
Elephant stock run actually happens for me this winter. Don't think I'll go
13-speed, though--ha!

Best,
joe broach
portland, or

On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 12:37 PM, Bill Lindsay tapebu...@gmail.com wrote:

 My cousin manages a largish shop in Southern California.  My brother in
 law is close friends with the owner of Jenson USA.  I saw my cousin and my
 brother in law this weekend, and got two juicy rumors from Interbike.

 1.  Paul is making Disc brake calipers, called the Klamper.
 2.  Phil Wood showed a 13 speed cassette hub.

 I don't know if the hub thing is a joke, like Sheldons ultra microdrive
 thing.  I'm curious about disc brakes, but have never felt the need to have
 them.  Paul getting in the game is interesting.

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Re: [RBW] Favorite new rumors from the industry, Interbike-ish stuff

You heard it here, folks.  Joe Broach is holding out for a 14-speed 
cassetteFACT!

:-)

On Monday, September 22, 2014 3:08:30 PM UTC-7, joe b. wrote:

 Yeah, the Paul calipers caught my eye, too. There's some useful discussion 
 http://www.velocipedesalon.com/forum/f2/new-mechanical-disc-caliper-pauls-38199.html
  
 on vsalon. I've been trying to get up to speed on discs in case the XL 
 Elephant stock run actually happens for me this winter. Don't think I'll go 
 13-speed, though--ha!

 Best,
 joe broach
 portland, or

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 javascript: wrote:

 My cousin manages a largish shop in Southern California.  My brother in 
 law is close friends with the owner of Jenson USA.  I saw my cousin and my 
 brother in law this weekend, and got two juicy rumors from Interbike.  

 1.  Paul is making Disc brake calipers, called the Klamper.
 2.  Phil Wood showed a 13 speed cassette hub.  

 I don't know if the hub thing is a joke, like Sheldons ultra microdrive 
 thing.  I'm curious about disc brakes, but have never felt the need to have 
 them.  Paul getting in the game is interesting.  

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[RBW] Re: Considering my first Riv purchase and looking for helpful advice

2014-09-22 Thread cyclotour...@gmail.com

Considering that Sams are going away in the near future, that should seal 
the deal on one for you!

On Monday, September 22, 2014 3:02:14 AM UTC-7, Ty Jeske wrote:

 I've been riding a bargain lugged steel Schwinn Traveler (1982) for the 
 last several years. The frame is a little small for me and I've sunk 
 several times its purchase price into repairs, but it has been a reliable 
 and mostly comfortable steed. For the last week though, I've been borrowing 
 a friend's Long Haul Trucker and I've come to realize that the last 30 
 years have brought desirable advances to bicycle technology. The time has 
 finally come to make an upgrade. I love the ride of steel, and the look of 
 lugged steel in particular, so I'm looking between the LHT and the 
 Rivendell Sam Hillborne. The advantage of the LHT is that I'm riding one 
 now and know exactly what I'd be getting. It's also about half the cost of 
 the Sam. The Sam has the advantage of beautiful lugs, possibly superior 
 components, and a reputation for lasting a lifetime. It also fits my ideal 
 of a comfortable go-anywhere bike. Does anybody have any experience with 
 both that may help me decide? Even better, does anyone know how I may go 
 about test riding the Sam Hillborne? I'm in Tampa FL.

 I plan to use the bike much as I do my current one. Mostly recreational 
 rides (15-40 mi), fetching groceries, etc. The occasional overnight camping 
 trip and rare credit card or light touring. Whatever I get will need to 
 take me through the level wooded area and fields between my house and the 
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Re: [RBW] 67cm Rivendell Redwood

Eh, that's the situation I have with my Riv Custom now.  I put some
175s back on there with the 6503 44/28 conversion and I'm scraping in
many places where I got by with 170s before, on my favorite paved
trail near my house.  Running thin gripsters with kneesavers.

I feel more efficient with the 175s, that's the rub.  I ran 180s
before the conversion.  I feel like I'm going faster and more easily
with the same effort.  Hey, it planes more easily, what can I say ;)

Maybe the 3mm difference in BB drop would be enough to make a
difference in clearance with 175s, I assume my older custom has 80 but
I've never bothered to measure.

I would be ok with 700c but I want at least 38mm with fenders.

I would like to own this Redwood but I'm not thinking there's enough
differentiation between it and what I already have.  Well I'll mull it
over, maybe someone else will beat me to the punch anyway.  It's
certainly a great deal.

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 I believe they are, I can check my 65cm Redwood. FWIW, mine fits true 35mm 
 wide tires at 700c.
 BB drop is 77mm I believe, not ideal for a conversion but do-able with 170mm 
 cranks, thin pedals, and minding pedaling around corners.
 David
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[RBW] Re: Rivendell Quickbeam single speed, 58 cm, $800

2014-09-22 Thread cyclotour...@gmail.com

Alright Richard, time to get busy on this one!

On Monday, September 22, 2014 8:44:43 AM UTC-7, Joan wrote:

 Hi folks - NOT MINE! But a local DC area friend, who did not know about 
 this list (and said it was ok to forward). It seems there's been a lot of 
 interest here lately in Quickbeams so I thought I'd pass this along.

   Please contact him directly - jona...@jonathankrall.net javascript:.
 There are pictures attached - and he is willing to ship at additonal cost. 
 Lots of details below. 
 --Original Message--

 From: Jonathan Krall 
 Date: Sep 20, 2014 4:41:25 PM
 Subject: [pedalers] Rivendell Quickbeam single speed, 58 cm, $800
 To: Peds peda...@googlegroups.com javascript:
  
  Hi All, 

  In deference to my aging knees, I am selling my favorite bicycle. I 
 haven't posted this on Craigslist yet. Since it is sort of a bike-geek bike 
 I figured I'd post here first. Fee free to forward this message as 
 appropriate. 

  Jonathan 
 Rivendell Quickbeam single speed, 58 cm, $800 

 Basic facts: This bike is in very good condition, with just a few nicks in 
 the paint from being locked up to various U racks. It is a good bike for a 
 rider about 6 feet tall (I'm 5 11 but have long legs). All original except 
 I added a shorter stem (the buyer can have the original stem if desired) 
 and upgraded the cranks, the single chainring, the freewheel, and added a 
 second freewheel, chain tensioners, and a cyclocomputer, all included. 

 Fun facts: This is a singlspeed bike based on a touring frame, which is 
 more upright than a racing frame. The frame is lugged chro-mo steel and is 
 from the last year that Panasonic made bike frames. It has no Rivendell 
 decals, but does have a lovely Rivendell headbadge. As pictured on the 
 headbadge, is named after a very fast tree. 

 Year: 2006 
 Production:  Panasonic 
 Color:  Orange 
 Size: 58 cm 
 Braze-ons:  2 water bottle, internal rear rack mounts, single eyelets on 
 front  rear dropout 
 Rear Spacing:  120mm with custom track dropout 52mm slot 

 Bars:  Nitto Noodle 
 Stem:  Nitto Technomic (225mm quill, 5cm extension, 26.0mm clamp) 
(upgraded to get more height) 
 Brake levers:  Shimano Tiagra 
 Brakes:  Shimano CT-91 Canti front  rear 
 Brake pads:  koolstop (upgrade) 

 Saddle:  WTB, slightly cushy saddle, new 
 Seatpost:  Crystal Fellow 

 Pedals:  Basic platforms 
 Cranks:  Stronglight, 130 mm track (upgrade) 
 Chainring:  40t, 130 mm, 3/32 singlespeed (upgrade) 
 Crank length: 170 mm 

 Rear Hub:  Flip-flop (free-free) Suzue high flange with sealed bearings 
 Freewheel: 16t Eno (upgrade) 
 2nd freewheel (on flip flop): 18t Eno (upgrade) 
 Front Hub:  Suzue high flange 
 Rims:  Araya 
 Tires:  Pasela 700 x 35 

 Cyclocpmputer: Cateye strada wireless 

 Old Stem included:  Nitto Technomic Deluxe (190mm quill, 10cm extension, 
 26.0mm clamp) 




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Re: [RBW] Favorite new rumors from the industry, Interbike-ish stuff

2014-09-22 Thread Joe Broach



On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 3:14 PM, Bill Lindsay tapebu...@gmail.com wrote:

 You heard it here, folks.  Joe Broach is holding out for a 14-speed
 cassetteFACT!


You know, with a triple that could just be the answer to life, the
universe, and everything. Probably only if friction shifted, though.

Best,
joe broach
portland, or 





On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 3:14 PM, Bill Lindsay tapebu...@gmail.com wrote:

 You heard it here, folks.  Joe Broach is holding out for a 14-speed
 cassetteFACT!

 :-)

 On Monday, September 22, 2014 3:08:30 PM UTC-7, joe b. wrote:

 Yeah, the Paul calipers caught my eye, too. There's some useful
 discussion
 http://www.velocipedesalon.com/forum/f2/new-mechanical-disc-caliper-pauls-38199.html
 on vsalon. I've been trying to get up to speed on discs in case the XL
 Elephant stock run actually happens for me this winter. Don't think I'll go
 13-speed, though--ha!

 Best,
 joe broach
 portland, or

 On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 12:37 PM, Bill Lindsay tape...@gmail.com wrote:

 My cousin manages a largish shop in Southern California.  My brother in
 law is close friends with the owner of Jenson USA.  I saw my cousin and my
 brother in law this weekend, and got two juicy rumors from Interbike.

 1.  Paul is making Disc brake calipers, called the Klamper.
 2.  Phil Wood showed a 13 speed cassette hub.

 I don't know if the hub thing is a joke, like Sheldons ultra microdrive
 thing.  I'm curious about disc brakes, but have never felt the need to have
 them.  Paul getting in the game is interesting.

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[RBW] Re: My wife adjusted her handlebars

With that much seatpost showing, it's no wonder she wanted to get her bars 
higher.  Is the frame a couple sizes too small?  No expensive wheel 
conversions on bikes that don't fit.   

Maybe that Riv deadstock Nitto stem and an alba bar would get her upright 
without scrunching her up.  

Stem http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/st5ds-2513.htm


On Monday, September 22, 2014 3:31:02 PM UTC-7, Jim Bronson wrote:

 She says it's comfortable this way.  I think it's time to ditch the 
 drops.  Any suggestions?  I showed her some pics of flat bars that looked 
 sorta like Albatross bars with thumbies except more plasticy and she says 
 she wants those rather than bar-ends.

 In other words I think she'd enjoy the bike better Rivved-out.

 Thoughts?  Please don't suggest 650b conversionyet ;)


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Re: [RBW] Favorite new rumors from the industry, Interbike-ish stuff

2014-09-22 Thread tarik saleh

On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 4:08 PM, Joe Broach joebro...@gmail.com wrote:

Yeah, the Paul calipers caught my eye, too. There's some useful discussion
http://www.velocipedesalon.com/forum/f2/new-mechanical-disc-caliper-pauls-38199.html
on vsalon.


Ack, barely useful discussion. The key point is kind of buried and lost to
most of the initial commenters,  clearly stated earlier and elsewhere, the
brakes are made to work with drop bar or other short pull levers. They are
meant to work on cross bikes or road bikes or other drop bar disc brake
bikes.  Not really in competition with hydraulics on your mountain bike.
But yes, the brakes would be ideal for an Elephant NFE.

I did get to play with them a bit, they feel great and they seemed to work
nicely with an actual wheel mounted on a fork with a drop lever.  the fork
was clamped to to the display, no actual riding on them.  The pad adjust
wheel seemed smoother and easier than Avid Mechanicals, no idea how it will
fare in use, but it was pretty simple and smooth.  I am going to guess they
will work much better than BB7roads, they are lighter, and will cost much
more ($230 or so a wheel) , also much nicer to look at. The silver orange
is really really nice looking.

Here is my picture of em, same as the rest:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/targetsalad/15213783586/

Paul said they are in production over the winter, there will be a few
tweaks to the design shown at interbike,  I/you/we have until spring to
figure out what bike to put them on.

Tarik

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Re: [RBW] My wife adjusted her handlebars

2014-09-22 Thread Anne Paulson

I'm with Bill Lindsay here. I think it's time she had a bike that fits.

On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 3:30 PM, Jim Bronson jim.bron...@gmail.com wrote:
 She says it's comfortable this way.  I think it's time to ditch the drops.
 Any suggestions?  I showed her some pics of flat bars that looked sorta like
 Albatross bars with thumbies except more plasticy and she says she wants
 those rather than bar-ends.

 In other words I think she'd enjoy the bike better Rivved-out.

 Thoughts?  Please don't suggest 650b conversionyet ;)

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Re: [RBW] Re: My wife adjusted her handlebars

That's a 50mm extension Technomic that's on there.  She definitely doesn't
want the bars farther away.  She wants to ride upright.
On Sep 22, 2014 5:58 PM, Bill Lindsay tapebu...@gmail.com wrote:

 With that much seatpost showing, it's no wonder she wanted to get her bars
 higher.  Is the frame a couple sizes too small?  No expensive wheel
 conversions on bikes that don't fit.

 Maybe that Riv deadstock Nitto stem and an alba bar would get her upright
 without scrunching her up.

 Stem http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/st5ds-2513.htm


 On Monday, September 22, 2014 3:31:02 PM UTC-7, Jim Bronson wrote:

 She says it's comfortable this way.  I think it's time to ditch the
 drops.  Any suggestions?  I showed her some pics of flat bars that looked
 sorta like Albatross bars with thumbies except more plasticy and she says
 she wants those rather than bar-ends.

 In other words I think she'd enjoy the bike better Rivved-out.

 Thoughts?  Please don't suggest 650b conversionyet ;)

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Re: [RBW] Re: My wife adjusted her handlebars

Albatross bars sweep a few inches back.  If you just put Albatross bars on 
that stem on a bike that already appears to be a bit on the small side, my 
concern would be that she'll feel like her hands hit her hips when she 
steers.  A nice longish extension stem with a 25.4mm clamp, paired with an 
albatross bar with a some rise and a fair bit of sweep back could make a 
big improvement for her.  

Also, while we're at it, her seat is tilted way down.  Often riders do that 
because they feel there's too much pressure in the middle of the saddle, so 
they naturally drop it nose down and out of the way.  Problem is, that all 
too often now forces you to slide forward on the saddle, making the problem 
not better but worse.  She should be able to get comfortably back on her 
sit bones.  I wonder if you should try flattening it out and sliding it 
forward on the rails.  Make it easier for her to get her sitbones on the 
wider part of the saddle.  Is that a male-shaped saddle?  It looks it might 
be kind of narrow.  

On Monday, September 22, 2014 4:10:59 PM UTC-7, Jim Bronson wrote:

 That's a 50mm extension Technomic that's on there.  She definitely doesn't 
 want the bars farther away.  She wants to ride upright.
 On Sep 22, 2014 5:58 PM, Bill Lindsay tape...@gmail.com javascript: 
 wrote:

 With that much seatpost showing, it's no wonder she wanted to get her 
 bars higher.  Is the frame a couple sizes too small?  No expensive wheel 
 conversions on bikes that don't fit.   

 Maybe that Riv deadstock Nitto stem and an alba bar would get her upright 
 without scrunching her up.  

 Stem http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/st5ds-2513.htm


 On Monday, September 22, 2014 3:31:02 PM UTC-7, Jim Bronson wrote:

 She says it's comfortable this way.  I think it's time to ditch the 
 drops.  Any suggestions?  I showed her some pics of flat bars that looked 
 sorta like Albatross bars with thumbies except more plasticy and she says 
 she wants those rather than bar-ends.

 In other words I think she'd enjoy the bike better Rivved-out.

 Thoughts?  Please don't suggest 650b conversionyet ;)

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[RBW] Re: New-to-me 64 cm Bomba MTB build

2014-09-22 Thread davidfrench

What you moved to Montpellier? I'm from there! Go ride around the Salagou 
lake, it's an amazing landscape.

And keep in mind that the only real MTB for real tall people is the 
DirtySixer. I build them (6'6 here)!
:-)


On Sunday, September 21, 2014 7:46:35 AM UTC-7, Tom Harrop wrote:

 Hi all,

 I finally got around to taking some photos of my 64 cm Bomba mountain bike 
 build. I bought the frame second hand from list member and fellow tall 
 person z-man a few months ago. With an international move, finding an 
 apartment and starting a new job it took me about three months to build it 
 up, and after that I'm afraid I didn't stop to take photos until after I 
 had been for a few rides, so it's not exactly pristine!

 https://flic.kr/s/aHsk3Y4Pdz

 It's a pretty standard Riv-ish build with a couple of things that people 
 might find interesting:

- 36h SP dynamo front and LX rear with the widest silver, rim-brake 
compatible 622 rims I could find (Ryde Big Bull 
http://www.ryde.nl/en/products?product=49).
- Claris rear derailer in the short cage version. With a 12–32 
cassette and 35 and 25 tooth 'Silver' rings it easily wraps enough chain 
 in 
the silly small ring–large sprocket combination.
- I reused the CR720 cantilever brakes that I originally bought for my 
other Bombadil, which has fenders and racks. Braking was always 
unsatisfactory on that build so I switched to V-brakes, but without these 
impediments on the MTB build I was able to get the straddle cable much 
lower, and the brakes had a pretty nice amount of MA. However, I was not 
happy with the extreme amount of slop the brakes had on the canti posts so 
I took them off and replaced them with Shimano CX70s, which are more 
adjustable, a bit more powerful and fit better on the posts. If anyone 
wants the CR720s sans straddle cables and pads for the cost of postage 
 from 
France, let me know.
- Clément XC LXV tyres. They roll really nicely although I haven't got 
the pressure dialled in yet. About 50 mm wide on these rims.
- I mounted the headlight on the fork shoulder because the cable stop 
for the cantis was occupying the normal spot. The mount does hit the 
downtube but only when the handlebars are turned more than 90°. I'll see 
whether this becomes annoying or not.

 I've been for a couple of rides in the dusty, stony surrounds of 
 Montpellier so far and I love the way this bike rides.

 Thanks for reading!

 Tom


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[RBW] Re: Considering my first Riv purchase and looking for helpful advice

2014-09-22 Thread Joe Bernard

Since you've already ridden the one, I think you would really need to ride 
the other to make your choice. Then pick the one you think will have you 
taking extra trips just 'cause it's so cool to be on.

Joe Bernard
Vallejo, CA.

On Monday, September 22, 2014 3:02:14 AM UTC-7, Ty Jeske wrote:

 I've been riding a bargain lugged steel Schwinn Traveler (1982) for the 
 last several years. The frame is a little small for me and I've sunk 
 several times its purchase price into repairs, but it has been a reliable 
 and mostly comfortable steed. For the last week though, I've been borrowing 
 a friend's Long Haul Trucker and I've come to realize that the last 30 
 years have brought desirable advances to bicycle technology. The time has 
 finally come to make an upgrade. I love the ride of steel, and the look of 
 lugged steel in particular, so I'm looking between the LHT and the 
 Rivendell Sam Hillborne. The advantage of the LHT is that I'm riding one 
 now and know exactly what I'd be getting. It's also about half the cost of 
 the Sam. The Sam has the advantage of beautiful lugs, possibly superior 
 components, and a reputation for lasting a lifetime. It also fits my ideal 
 of a comfortable go-anywhere bike. Does anybody have any experience with 
 both that may help me decide? Even better, does anyone know how I may go 
 about test riding the Sam Hillborne? I'm in Tampa FL.

 I plan to use the bike much as I do my current one. Mostly recreational 
 rides (15-40 mi), fetching groceries, etc. The occasional overnight camping 
 trip and rare credit card or light touring. Whatever I get will need to 
 take me through the level wooded area and fields between my house and the 
 nearest paved bike trail.


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Re: [RBW] Re: Blug post

2014-09-22 Thread Leslie

On Monday, September 22, 2014 2:27:25 PM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote:

 I think this may be exactly what Riv is betting on, especially since they 
 are discontinuing the Hillborne. 


Whoa  just to clarify:  no, the Hillborne isn't being discontinued.   
It's taking a vacation, perhaps  but it'll be back.

http://rivbike.tumblr.com/post/93350728279/sam-last-shot-long-time 


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Re: [RBW] Re: Blug post

yes, correct.  only a vacation for a couple of years.  maybe a sabbatical?  
leave of absence?  sam will be back, i trust

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Re: [RBW] Re: Blug post

Havent other Rivendell models gone on an permanent vacation?

On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 9:07 PM, Leslie leslie.bri...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Monday, September 22, 2014 2:27:25 PM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote:

 I think this may be exactly what Riv is betting on, especially since they
 are discontinuing the Hillborne.


 Whoa  just to clarify:  no, the Hillborne isn't being discontinued.
 It's taking a vacation, perhaps  but it'll be back.

 http://rivbike.tumblr.com/post/93350728279/sam-last-shot-long-time


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Re: [RBW] Re: Blug post


On 09/22/2014 09:26 PM, Goshen Peter wrote:

Havent other Rivendell models gone on an permanent vacation?



Rambouillet, Redwood, Saluki, two 650B mixtes, Romulus

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Re: [RBW] My wife adjusted her handlebars

2014-09-22 Thread Jon in the foothills of Central Colorado


On 09/22/2014 06:30 PM, Jim Bronson wrote:


She says it's comfortable this way.  I think it's time to ditch the 
drops.  Any suggestions?  I showed her some pics of flat bars that 
looked sorta like Albatross bars with thumbies except more plasticy 
and she says she wants those rather than bar-ends.


In other words I think she'd enjoy the bike better Rivved-out.

Thoughts?  Please don't suggest 650b conversionyet ;)




That bike is much too small.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Blug post

2014-09-22 Thread iamkeith

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-ZWpG3F0UV5I/VCDUJsLaG7I/AD4/MmbOKzZp-R4/s1600/Team_ForkEnd.jpg

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-52sughhrTx4/VCDT9SPTwUI/ADw/gmyMoXPoJAE/s1600/BB_Rambouillet.jpg

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-e6_51UYLa8c/VCDUnyygpYI/AEA/-NDC7td-o34/s1600/BB_AllRounder.jpg

I thought I'd share some interesting photos in regard to the lug /
non-lugged discussion:

First is the bottom bracket area of my '99 All-Rounder. Notice that the
down tube and seat tube are lugged, but the chain stays are fillet brazed.
Yet the chain stay *brace *does feature a little mini-lug.

Second is the bottom bracket of my '06 Rambouillet, which is the exact
opposite: The chainstays are lugged, but the brace is merely brazed.

Third is the fork from an '89 Stumpjumper Team, which features lugged
drop-outs. I've kept it all these years because I think it's beautiful,
and hope to find a second use for it some day. (I wasn't aware of
Bridgestone in 1990, when I bought it.) To my knowledge, no Rivendell
model has ever featured something like this.

The point of all this is that it's probable that no Rivendell has EVER been
100% lugged, and I don't think it detracts anything. I think it's
actually kind of interesting. Whether the Clem is 80% or 50% or 20% lugged
is a non-issue to me. I'm betting that it will be beautiful and unique.

You know what does get me excited though? It's this: *...A fat-tired
towny bike with touring and trail possibilities...*

Now THAT'S something I can use. Truth is that it would be pretty hard for
me to ever rationally justify buying any of the models in the
current lineup. Whether it be a Sam, or a Homer or a Roadeo or an
Atlantis, there's just too much overlap with these two bikes that I
already own and love and would never consider selling. (A Hunquapillar
perhaps, when they offer the in-between sizes, but that's another topic
altogether.) But something completely different - with fattest tires, long
chain stays, no front derailleur, and not too precious to leave outside the
grocery store sounds GREAT to me!!

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[RBW] Re: It's baaaaaack

2014-09-22 Thread Bill

That bike would look so much better with a second top tube.

On Monday, September 22, 2014 12:32:46 PM UTC-4, robert zeidler wrote:

 bike was purchased by someone who read the description AFTER paying for 
 the bike and found it was the wrong bike. 

 Anyway...

 http://pages.ebay.com/link/?nav=item.viewalt=webid=291248387059

 RGZ 


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[RBW] Re: Considering my first Riv purchase and looking for helpful advice

I'm a new member of this group and recently purchased a Sam from Rivendell 
and built it from the frame up.I looked at the LHT and it's a great bike 
and the price difference definitely stood out.
I never rode either bike before buying my Sam. 
The thing that put the Sam above the LHT was the people  at Rivendell. You 
can call them anytime and no matter who you talk to they know their product 
line and they will answer your questions with enthusiasm .The same goes for 
the people in this group. The Rivendell people know what works and what 
doesn't and won't sell you components that are not compatible with other 
components or the bike. They ride what they sell. I think the Rivendell 
buying experience is something special .Buying a bike should be fun and 
they will be there after the sale to help with questions or problems. One 
example is I was in the middle of building my Sam and I realized that I 
forgot to order brake levers.I called on a Friday afternoon and Vince 
understood that I would have to stop until I got levers and went out of his 
way to ship out the levers that afternoon and they were in my hands before 
I needed them. 
Everything that they suggested has worked out great.It's the first bike I 
have ever bought over the phone and it is the most comfortable bike I've 
bought in 30 years of riding.
Tell them what you want to use the bike for and they will fix you up with 
the best components and accessories and you can trust they won't sell you 
more than you need.
My two cents.
Jon
On Monday, September 22, 2014 4:02:14 AM UTC-6, Ty Jeske wrote:

 I've been riding a bargain lugged steel Schwinn Traveler (1982) for the 
 last several years. The frame is a little small for me and I've sunk 
 several times its purchase price into repairs, but it has been a reliable 
 and mostly comfortable steed. For the last week though, I've been borrowing 
 a friend's Long Haul Trucker and I've come to realize that the last 30 
 years have brought desirable advances to bicycle technology. The time has 
 finally come to make an upgrade. I love the ride of steel, and the look of 
 lugged steel in particular, so I'm looking between the LHT and the 
 Rivendell Sam Hillborne. The advantage of the LHT is that I'm riding one 
 now and know exactly what I'd be getting. It's also about half the cost of 
 the Sam. The Sam has the advantage of beautiful lugs, possibly superior 
 components, and a reputation for lasting a lifetime. It also fits my ideal 
 of a comfortable go-anywhere bike. Does anybody have any experience with 
 both that may help me decide? Even better, does anyone know how I may go 
 about test riding the Sam Hillborne? I'm in Tampa FL.

 I plan to use the bike much as I do my current one. Mostly recreational 
 rides (15-40 mi), fetching groceries, etc. The occasional overnight camping 
 trip and rare credit card or light touring. Whatever I get will need to 
 take me through the level wooded area and fields between my house and the 
 nearest paved bike trail.


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[RBW] Re: Rivendell Quickbeam single speed, 58 cm, $800

To be just, I'm not in the market for a QuickBeam of this size (or another 
QB for that matter). I simply know what they go for here and what I paid 
for mine. They are a wondrous ride on road and off!

With abandon,
Patrick

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Re: [RBW] Re: Blug post

2014-09-22 Thread Christopher Murray

Rivendell is not diluting the brand nor has it been lugs, lugs, lugs for the 
last 20 years. Go back to the early years 94-96ish and there are several 
instances where Grant mentions the possibility of a TIG frame. I think as 
Rivendell matured they adopted the always lugged mantra simply because that 
is what they were known for and up to that point had not actually made anything 
else. So almost from the beginning there was talk of a TIG bike and then that 
talk faded but couldn't it be argued that making a TIG bike is actually 
perfectly in line with the original vision of Rivendell and a COMPLETION rather 
than a DILUTION of the brand? I would go back and find the quotes from the 
early readers but don't have the time/ can't be bothered with something that 
matters so little to me.

PS: There is also an early mention of the Bleriot as a coupled travel bike. 
This was pre-650b. I always assumed that was the deal with the airplane theme. 

Cheers!
Chris

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[RBW] Re: Considering my first Riv purchase and looking for helpful advice

2014-09-22 Thread 'Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch

Daniel,

What frame did you end up building into a 26 touring bike?  Was it a 
custom or off-the-shelf?  



On Monday, September 22, 2014 12:57:41 PM UTC-5, Daniel M wrote:

 I will submit my opinion to add to the variety.

 I owned a Sam Hillborne for two years. I bought it brand new, rode it in a 
 double-century, later added front and rear racks and rode it from Berkeley 
 to the Oregon-Washington border and back. It was/is a near-perfect all 
 rounder.

 So why did I sell it? I wanted something with smaller wheels and bigger 
 tires. The Hillborne in my size (no longer made 56cm, single top tube, 
 cantilever brakes) happened to come with 700c wheels and I was running the 
 biggest tires that I could fit with fenders: Schwalbe Marathon Supreme 
 700x40. What happened is that I finally built the touring bike of my dreams 
 with a Rohloff hub and 26 wheels (and currently running 60mm tires with 
 fenders) and I was kind of blown away by the stability of the touring 
 geometry coupled with the agility of the smaller wheels. The Hillborne was 
 incredibly stable on descents but REALLY reluctant to change direction 
 quickly around town - kind of the complaint about 29ers (AKA 700c) that has 
 sent people to 27.5 (AKA 650b) in the mountain bike world. If I hadn't 
 built up the touring bike, I would probably still own the Hillborne, but I 
 didn't need two touring bikes, so when I stumbled across a 
 reasonably-priced used 650b randonneuring bike I bought it and sold the 
 Hillborne for the same amount of money.

 When it came time to choose an all-around bike for my wife, who is 5'10, 
 we chose a Long Haul Trucker in the 58cm frame size with 26 wheels. We 
 also swapped out the drop handlebars for upright, swept bars, and replaced 
 the canti brakes with V-brakes. I really think it is the ideal all-round 
 bike. So comfortable, capable of hauling whatever you can put on it, and 
 2.0 (50mm) Big Apples are wonderfully smooth on pavement and stable and 
 capable off of it. If my main uses were as you describe, rides under 40 
 miles, getting groceries, and occasional touring, I would get it over the 
 Hillborne in a heartbeat. If I intended to ride mostly lightly loaded and 
 for longer distances (60+ miles), then I would seriously consider the 
 Hillborne, which is less of a tank and more of a road bike, although the 
 lack of canti posts on the current offerings I find really disappointing.

 My two cents in a nutshell.

 Daniel M
 Berkeley, CA


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[RBW] Re: Blug post

2014-09-22 Thread 'Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch

Well, based on tonight's Blug post, I won't be getting my budget 26 Riv.   
:( 



On Friday, September 19, 2014 3:20:02 PM UTC-5, Peter M wrote:

 A Tig welded Rivendell? say it aint so


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[RBW] SILVER crankset!!!!

2014-09-22 Thread lungimsam

In the new Blug post it mentions it may be coming.
Very cool! Interested to see what it'll be like.
Maybe they will have it all one bcd of such and such a diameter so's you 
can remove all rings without having to take off the crank arms.
 That would be a cool and functional design for un-mechanics like me.

BTW, who called RBW a simon pure labrick, and what is that?

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Re: [RBW] Re: Blug post

2014-09-22 Thread Dan McNamara

Legolas  Bombadil - both available as special order but not part of the 
official lineup. 

Dan



 On Sep 22, 2014, at 7:00 PM, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote:
 
 On 09/22/2014 09:26 PM, Goshen Peter wrote:
 Havent other Rivendell models gone on an permanent vacation?
 
 Rambouillet, Redwood, Saluki, two 650B mixtes, Romulus
 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Blug post

2014-09-22 Thread Joe Bernard

To be fair, I think the Ram was the only model from that list which was 
billed as someday returning. Romulus/Redwood became a project which wasn't 
viable financially; Glorius/Wilbury the same, but they were morphed into 
simpler mixtes; and Saluki was absorbed into the Hilsen brand. 

On Monday, September 22, 2014 7:00:33 PM UTC-7, Steve Palincsar wrote:

 On 09/22/2014 09:26 PM, Goshen Peter wrote: 
  Havent other Rivendell models gone on an permanent vacation? 
  

 Rambouillet, Redwood, Saluki, two 650B mixtes, Romulus 



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Re: [RBW] SILVER crankset!!!!

94 bcd with 5 bolt design would be great.

On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 10:13 PM, lungimsam john11.2...@gmail.com wrote:
 In the new Blug post it mentions it may be coming.
 Very cool! Interested to see what it'll be like.
 Maybe they will have it all one bcd of such and such a diameter so's you can
 remove all rings without having to take off the crank arms.
  That would be a cool and functional design for un-mechanics like me.

 BTW, who called RBW a simon pure labrick, and what is that?

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Re: [RBW] Re: Blug post

2014-09-22 Thread Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery

What I think is being neglected here is that Riv doesn't actually make frames. 
The companies that make Riv-brand frames make frames for other brands too. Most 
of those other brands use TIG welding, which is fine for them. But then Riv 
comes along, with a relatively small order, and the guys and gals on the 
assembly line suddenly have to put their usual tools away and get out the 
seldom used brazing torches. It might be a little more costly to lug any given 
joint rather than TIG it, but it's a lot more costly (and probably annoying) to 
have to retool the usual operation for a relatively small order. I would 
imagine that the fabrication company would be inclined back-burner Riv's orders 
until a slow day when they have nothing better to do, and then they'll charge 
a lot just for the added hassle of having to switch to an unusual procedure. 
That's the true added cost for a lugged frame in 2014. Thirty or forty years 
ago, even relatively cheap frames were lugged. Today, the lugged frame is a 
novelty.

To sell a high quality complete bike for $1500, it's more a matter of economy 
of scale, rather than finding a slightly cheaper way to make the frame tubes 
stick together. At dealer wholesale pricing on parts, I can't buy a Surly LHT 
frame and decent parts and expect to make a profit at $1500 retail. But Surly 
buys a few thousand frames and parts kits, so they can wholesale me a complete 
bike, and still leave enough margin for me to make a decent profit at the $1350 
msrp. Riv is unlikely to compete with Surly on volume, but Riv can probably 
compete with the LHT quality and price at lower volumes simply because Riv 
mostly sells directly to customers, and doesn't have to account for a dealer 
profit margin.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Blug post