[RBW] Re: Possible FS: 51cm Sam Hillborne (blue)

[dstein]

There's a lot of hillbornes for sale on the list these days! I found a 
blemish on the downtube, its not deep enough of a scratch to cut through 
the paint, rather a small scuff the size of a dime that just looks like 
some roughed up blue paint. 

$2k for complete minus saddle. Any takers?

On Monday, August 24, 2015 at 9:30:46 PM UTC-7, dstein wrote:
>
> I've had some interest in the rack and wanted to clarify that I'm hoping 
> to sell the bike first (or with). As long as the bike is in my stable I'd 
> like to keep the rack on there (and fenders around) if I'm going to use it. 
> Will update the thread accordingly if the bike sells and the rack and 
> fenders are still available. Thanks for the interest!
>

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[RBW] Re: Dessert under the eaves - Rivelo PDX - Thursday

[John A. Bennett]

No ride, except to and from. Mostly just eating in the parking lot.



On Tuesday, September 1, 2015 at 9:38:45 AM UTC-7, Manuel Acosta wrote:
>
> Damn. PDX Rivendell ride? 
>
> Sounds dope. Now all you need is a cool flyer. With 
>
> On Tuesday, September 1, 2015 at 6:20:16 AM UTC-7, John A. Bennett wrote:
>>
>> We'll be there!
>>
>>
>>
>> On Monday, August 31, 2015 at 3:07:13 PM UTC-7, Andy Smitty Schmidt wrote:
>>>
>>> It’s a simple plan… 
>>>
>>> Vegan dessert cooked in a dutch oven
>>>
>>> Thursday (9/3) 
>>>
>>> Rivelo - 401 SE Caruthers, Portland, OR
>>>
>>> Dishing up sweetness about 6pm. 
>>>
>>> Feel free to come early while the thing is cooking. 
>>>
>>> BYO plate/bowl/spork
>>>
>>> BYO coffee
>>>
>>> BYO beer
>>>
>>> There’s a chance of showers but the Rivelo building has generous eaves 
>>> to hide under. 
>>>
>>>
>>> Ride is not a loop. 
>>>
>>> Ride ends near transit. 
>>>
>>> Queue sheets not provided.
>>>
>>> Not EBDJ certified.
>>>
>>> Special prize to person who eats the most burned bits on the bottom of 
>>> the pan. 
>>>
>>> If you don't know your PBH, experts will be standing by to measure it 
>>> for you. 
>>>
>>>
>>> See you Thursday. 
>>>
>>> --Smitty
>>>
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: Purple for a Riv?

[Brewster Fong]

On Tuesday, September 1, 2015 at 11:51:36 AM UTC-7, RJM wrote:
>
> As soon as I sell a bunch of stuff I'm ordering another Roadeo...(yes, 
> that will make two. I hav big plans ;)  ). I'm debating in my head about 
> the color choice. My current one is a Rambouillet orange and it is sweet 
> looking. I was thinking of some shade of purple for the next one but really 
> have never seen a riv with a purple paint job, something like a deep purple 
> and not too flashy. What do you all think about that color?   
> Now that I bring it up, what are your favorite colors for Rivs?
>
 
Not a Riv, but this 25th Anniv Della Santa is purple and very nice looking:
 
 https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!topic/internet-bob/HN4s9Ja_ZII
 
At $850 for the bike and $500 for the frameset, I'm suffering because it is 
just my size!  But, I need to resist as I have too many road bikes and need 
a cross.Good Luck!

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[RBW] Re: Purple for a Riv?

[Will]

Go to the staff bikes on the Riv site, check Rich's deep blue (almost 
purple) custom. It's a show stopper color-wise. 

Will

On Tuesday, September 1, 2015 at 1:51:36 PM UTC-5, RJM wrote:
>
> As soon as I sell a bunch of stuff I'm ordering another Roadeo...(yes, 
> that will make two. I hav big plans ;)  ). I'm debating in my head about 
> the color choice. My current one is a Rambouillet orange and it is sweet 
> looking. I was thinking of some shade of purple for the next one but really 
> have never seen a riv with a purple paint job, something like a deep purple 
> and not too flashy. What do you all think about that color?   
> Now that I bring it up, what are your favorite colors for Rivs?
>

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[RBW] Re: Next Bomba Tire

['Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I'm glad you posted this because I'm currently researching my first set of 
new tires for my recently purchased Karate Monkey.  The Schwalbe Big One 
fits the bill perfectly and the blue Schwalbe logo even goes with my blue 
bike!





On Tuesday, September 1, 2015 at 7:53:08 AM UTC-5, Garth wrote:
>
>
>
>   FWIW in addition to this , Schwalbe has a bunch of new tires for 2016.
> http://www.schwalbe.com/en/tour.html
> http://www.schwalbe.com/en/road.html
> http://www.schwalbe.com/en/offroad.html
>
>  They are bringing back the Marathon Cross too, in 26x1.75, 650Bx42 and 
> 700x38 .
>
> And the Big One .  700 and 650B x 60. 
> http://www.schwalbe.com/en/tour-reader/schwalbe-big-one.html  These 
> appear to be a tire to completely replace and improve upon the Super Moto 
> model which appears gone for 2016.  
> http://www.schwalbe.com/en/tour-reader/schwalbe-big-one.html
>

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[RBW] For Sale - 48cm Rivendell Sam Hillborne. Orange with canti posts

[RJM]

  
I'm selling my 48cm Sam Hillborne and figured I'd offer it up to the list 
first. I was thinking I could either sell this as a frameset with the 
seatpost and headset or just the complete bike. Frameset $800 shipped to 
you in CONUS. complete bike for $1600  
 
Here are the details - 
 
48cm Orange color, Canti post, 650b wheels with original headset and 
seatpost
41cm Nitto Noodle bars
7 cm Nitto Technomic stem
Silver shifter bar end shifters
Crane brass bell
Tektro brake levers for v-brakes
Shimano XT v-brakes
Shimano 6500 Ultegra front and rear derailers
Shimano 6500 Ultegra triple crankset
I'm going to keep the saddle and pedals...
 
Oh yeah, it has a Nitto M12 rack on it...I can send it with the bike but I 
will have to take it off to fit in a bike box, I believe. 
 
 
I have two wheelsets available, so I suppose I could send the bike with 
either one; choice is yours. 
 
First is a set of Velocity Dyads laced to Phil "Rivy" freewheel hubs built 
by Rich at Riv. 7 speed freewheel on this set with pari moto tires (used 
but not used up)
Second is a set of Velocity Synergy rims laced to Shimano LX hubs built by 
Rich at Riv. I believe I have a 9 speed cassette on this set with fatty 
rumpkins (used but not used up).
 
The frame has a few chips from use but nothing major. I've included a link 
to some pictures of them. Every year I have sprayed the internals with 
boeshield just as a rust prevention measure. It's solid and never been 
crashed. The build is a mish mash of parts that works well together as it 
is but I am happy to tear it down to just the frame so you can build it to 
your liking. 
 
I have some pictures of the bike and frame at this link...if you need more 
just let me know and I will upload them. 
*https://www.flickr.com/photos/93186953@N00/albums/72157657412369581* 

 
I'm trying to get money for another, different kind of Rivendell and not 
riding this one as much as I would like, so off it goes. 

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[RBW] Re: Homer goes to France to ride Paris Brest Paris - a ride report

[Surlyprof]

How did you get some of those photos?!  Precarious riding or good camera 
mount?  If it's the camera mount... what is it and where can I get one?

Great write up.  Read it on the train last night and it prompted me to take 
the long way home on the bike.
John

On Tuesday, September 1, 2015 at 11:11:03 AM UTC-7, Dennis Hogan wrote:
>
> Great description but how do you ride, do controls, eat and sleep and 
> still get the pics?

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RE: [RBW] Re: Purple for a Riv?

[mikel66...@juno.com]

1992 and 1994 b'stone rb-2 models had a purple in their line-up-check the 
catalogs

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RE: [RBW] Re: Purple for a Riv?

[Allingham II, Thomas J]

There's a purple Saluki somewhere, too.  In VA, maybe?

From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mark Reimer
Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2015 3:40 PM
To: RBW Owners Bunch
Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Purple for a Riv?

There is a purple atlantis floating around on the internet somewhere if I 
recall correctly

On Tuesday, September 1, 2015 at 2:29:00 PM UTC-5, mike goldman wrote:
1992 and 1994 b'stone rb-2 models had a purple in their line-up-check the 
catalogs

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[RBW] What is that minimalist chain watcher on the 60cm Cheviut?

[Bill Lindsay]

On the Riv-site there's a 1x9 Cheviot complete:

LINK 

On photo 5 of 7, there's a really cute minimalist chain bumper.  Does 
anyone recognize that product?  It's a race, because I'll email Mark.  


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[RBW] Re: What is that minimalist chain watcher on the 60cm Cheviut?

[Bill Lindsay]

Mark won.  It's an N-Gear Jumpstop

LINK 

On Tuesday, September 1, 2015 at 11:13:43 AM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> On the Riv-site there's a 1x9 Cheviot complete:
>
> LINK 
>
> On photo 5 of 7, there's a really cute minimalist chain bumper.  Does 
> anyone recognize that product?  It's a race, because I'll email Mark.  
>
>
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[RBW] Re: What is that minimalist chain watcher on the 60cm Cheviut?

[Kieran J]

My GF has one on her Trek 620 1x9. Works great.

KJ


On Tuesday, September 1, 2015 at 2:13:43 PM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> On the Riv-site there's a 1x9 Cheviot complete:
>
> LINK 
>
> On photo 5 of 7, there's a really cute minimalist chain bumper.  Does 
> anyone recognize that product?  It's a race, because I'll email Mark.  
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Next Bomba Tire

[Surlyprof]

I'm so glad I didn't do this math when I bought mine.  More importantly, 
I'm glad my wife didn't.  I love my Barlow Pass Extralights!  At least I'm 
putting a lot more miles on the bike than my truck these days.

John

On Sunday, August 30, 2015 at 8:44:17 PM UTC-7, Jim Bronson wrote:
>
> I love Jan's tires but wow $168 is pretty breathtaking.
>
> The 4 tires on my car cost $330 out the door with mounting, balancing, tax 
> and road hazard warranty. So about the same per tire, but I'm pretty sure 
> Compass expects you to mount and balance your own tires, and no road hazard 
> warranty is implied.  The UTQG of the car tires is 420-A-B and I expect 
> them to last 40,000 miles or so.  They balanced well and are smooth at 
> speeds up to 95 mph or so.  Don't find a need to go faster than that, 
> actually going 95 was inadvertent in the first place, but anyhoo
>
> Maybe I should get the new(er) Pari-Motos instead...supposedly the tread 
> is thicker than the older ones.  Wire bead, but beggars can't be choosers...
>
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Panaracer-Pacenti-27-5-X-1-50-650B-Pari-Moto-Wire-Bead-Black-/191600794402?hash=item2c9c4c1b22
>
> On Sun, Aug 30, 2015 at 8:24 AM, Tony DeFilippo  > wrote:
>
>> Since I got excellent advice on my XO-3 tire questions last week I'll put 
>> a slightly different one up today regarding the Bombadil... I'm already 
>> pretty sure what I am looking for and am just caught in some paralysis by 
>> analysis and/or sticker shock.  Primary purpose for this tire set would be 
>> to augment the 2.25" Nobby Nic's which are awesome offroad but to noisy 
>> on-road.  So the Bomba isn't getting any commuting use w/ the current 
>> tires.  The candidates;
>>
>> 1. Compass Switchback Pass 650bx48mm; Reg or EL ($63/$84)  That isn't a 
>> typo, the EL 48's cost $12 more a pair than the EL 42's do... I guess b/c 
>> they are tubeless compatible.  $168 for a set of (i'm sure) amazing 
>> tires $168.
>>
>> 2. BG Rock-n-Road 650Bx43mm ($57)  I've been wanting to check these out 
>> for a while, even had considered them for the Saluki before settling in on 
>> the 38mm Parimoto's instead.  I'm already rocking the BG Canti's on the 
>> Bombadil so it almost seems right.  I'm a little worried about road noise 
>> but many people report that isn't an issue.  Seems like a perfect C and 
>> when needed singletrack option to complement a great paved trail option.
>>
>> 3. Big Ben 650Bx50mm Active/Performance ($25/50)  I've ridden the Little 
>> Big Ben's and Big Apples and enjoy them both, not sure I've personally 
>> sampled the 'active' line so I'm not sure how much you give up (other than 
>> half the price) w/ the heavier rubber compound.  Seems like an awesome 
>> Bombadil tire as it fits the clearances pretty much spot on.
>>
>> 4. Panaracer Quasi Moto 650Bx2.0 ($35 on amazon!) I was considering this 
>> more before getting the Nobby Nic's as it seems more offroad focused than 
>> my previous three options... it remains in consideration primarily becuase 
>> it's got a great price tag and it was one of the original 650B offerings 
>> that fits the horizontal TT Bomba's clearances perfectly.
>>
>> I had already reconciled the cost of a new set of Compass tires before 
>> the switchback pass came out even (a little bit) higher and put me back 
>> into consideration mode.  No one (including me) seems disappointed with 
>> their investments in light-supple-hi volume tires but man I am feeling the 
>> sticker shock.  
>>
>> Pretty awesome to have so many good options in so many different tire 
>> sizes!! 
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[RBW] Classic Bike Show + Swap Meet in Frederick MD @ Gravel & Grind, Sept 27th

[islaysteve]

I plan to attend, and if possible, I'll display my Bleriot.  Sounds like fun!

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[RBW] Re: What is that minimalist chain watcher on the 60cm Cheviut?

[Daniel D.]

I have one does the job, easy to  setup, and the price is right.

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Re: [RBW] Next Bomba Tire

[Joe Broach]

Hey Hudson,

Did you get fenders to fit over the Burts or are you just going without?

Best,
joe in pdx

On Mon, Aug 31, 2015 at 5:06 PM, 'Hudson Doerge' via RBW Owners Bunch <
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Plus one on the thunder burt recommendation. Love em. Replaced compass
> babyshoe pass on my elephant NFE and the difference in speed is hardly
> noticeable, but the improvement in comfort over bumps is distinct. Compared
> with compass at least I've found them to be quite long wearing all the
> things considered. All that being said once these wear out I may make the
> change to compass switchback hills. Doing my best not to buy new bike
> things unless it's replacing something that's worn out.
>
> Hudson in atx.
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[RBW] Purple for a Riv?

[RJM]

As soon as I sell a bunch of stuff I'm ordering another Roadeo...(yes, that 
will make two. I hav big plans ;)  ). I'm debating in my head about the 
color choice. My current one is a Rambouillet orange and it is sweet 
looking. I was thinking of some shade of purple for the next one but really 
have never seen a riv with a purple paint job, something like a deep purple 
and not too flashy. What do you all think about that color?   
Now that I bring it up, what are your favorite colors for Rivs?

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Re: [RBW] Re: Almost OT, Mini Moto vs Neo Retro

[Mark Reimer]

I can also lift my rear wheel off the ground on my CX bike with neo-retros,
though it takes some doing. I have a high straddle cable for mud clearance
and optimal straddle cable angle. The touring cant's have a lower straddle,
same brake pads on both sets. I've always found the touring canti's to stop
me much faster and have better modulation.

When it comes to the physics of it, I usually defer to this article, which
says it all much better than I can:

http://www.circleacycles.com/cantilevers/canti-geometry.pdf

And this one, for great photos of examples:
http://www.blackmtncycles.com/2013/03/get-most-out-of-your-canit-brake.html

All this does make me curious to try lowering my neo-retro straddle cable
for increased mechanical advantage. My experience mimics how the first
linked article describes a straddle cable which is too high - feels great
at the lever, but doesn't have as much stopping power as you'd hope for.
I'll try lowering it a bit and see if I can increase my stopping power.

Either way, I love Paul canti's and canti's in general. But I still affirm
that the next time I do loaded touring in the mountains and I'm coming down
at 75km/h on a 90lb bike, in the rain maybe, I want v-brakes or discs.

On Mon, Aug 31, 2015 at 5:59 PM, Michael Hechmer  wrote:

> Mark, I'm disinclined to dispute someones personal experience, but yours
> doesn't match mine. I wonder if your experience comes from set up.  The
> neos want a hi straddle cable and the touring a very low one. This makes
> sense to me from my, admittedly limited, knowledge of Newtonian Physics. I
> have never used the touring cantis but have had a pair of neos on a pair of
> singles for many years.  They can easily lift my rear wheel off the ground
> and stop my bike in short order.
>
> In addition the Paul's site says this about the neos:
>
> These are very powerful brakes and have a tendency to over power thin
> tubed frames (in any material). For none-  too-stout frames and forks
> we recommend our Touring Canti 
> .
>
> And this about the touring canti:
>
> The Touring Canti is a powerful cantilever brake with a similar design to
> the Neo-Retro , but
> with the arms angled upward. This gives the brake a much narrower profile
> without significantly reducing stopping power.
>
> I'm 71, and together the tandem team is 140, so we are not thrill
> seekers.  We ride the hills of Vt unloaded quite successfully with
> theRacers on our tandem and tour in gentler terrain with the tandem fully
> loaded.  I'm looking for increased tire clearance w/out any loss of power.
>
> Peace,
> Michael
>
>
>
>
> On Monday, August 31, 2015 at 10:15:22 AM UTC-4, Mark Reimer wrote:
>>
>> No way Neo Retro's on a tandem in my opinion. I have the neo-retros on my
>> CX bike and the touring canit's on my Atlantis. The touring canti's have
>> substantially more stopping power than the neo retros. However, they still
>> aren't anywhere near what I'd consider safe when descending a steep
>> hill/mountain with a heavy load, particularly in the rain.
>>
>> Mini motos would have tons more stopping power than the canti's, but
>> fender clearance would be the bit challenge as the cable is quite low. As
>> was mentioned, the moto-lite's would ensure you can use basically any tire
>> you want (with a fender) and have the most stopping power of any Paul
>> brake. Just need to have a long-pull brake lever.
>>
>> On Monday, August 31, 2015 at 8:16:37 AM UTC-5, Matthew J wrote:
>>>
>>> Mini-Motos have excellent stopping power, are easy to set up and look
>>> very good.  I was not able to get the front brake to work over a fender
>>> however as the cable between the two sides is relatively low compared to
>>> other Mini-Motos.  I did not want to use cantis so wound up using TRP
>>> mini-vs instead.
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Purple for a Riv?

[Jim M.]

On Tuesday, September 1, 2015 at 11:51:36 AM UTC-7, RJM wrote:
>
> What do you all think about that color?   
> Now that I bring it up, what are your favorite colors for Rivs?
>

Who cares what we think? If you like it, go for it. There's a pink Legolas 
in my neighborhood, speaking of uncommon Riv colors. My favorite is clear 
coat over steel.

jim m
wc ca 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Purple for a Riv?

[Mark Reimer]

There is a purple atlantis floating around on the internet somewhere if I 
recall correctly

On Tuesday, September 1, 2015 at 2:29:00 PM UTC-5, mike goldman wrote:
>
> 1992 and 1994 b'stone rb-2 models had a purple in their line-up-check the 
> catalogs 
>  
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[RBW] Re: hatchets

[Surlyprof]

I have a nice woodshop in the garage and no *need* for a hatchet but still 
feel the draw and appeal.  There is just something great about the 
experience of owning and using finely crafted tools.  Slightly off-topic... 
I've owned a Sven Saw like the ones at Riv for 25+ years and it was always 
one of the best backpacking products I've owned.  The curated tools they 
sell at B,B are just fantastic.

John

On Friday, August 28, 2015 at 8:38:12 PM UTC-7, Don Compton wrote:
>
> I am not a gun control guy. But what is the deal with hatchets?
>

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[RBW] Re: Purple for a Riv?

[Deacon Patrick]

I've seen the spread from lilac to royal purple, but I've yet to see what 
I'd want, Gloaming Purple (from the color pallet of the sky 60-90 minutes 
prior to sunrise through to sunrise.), which seems a bit like the color 
you're describing. The color is hard to capture 9at least with my iPhone, 
but this comes close:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/32311885@N07/12193386674/in/album-72157648184747494/

With abandon,
Patrick 

On Tuesday, September 1, 2015 at 12:51:36 PM UTC-6, RJM wrote:
>
> As soon as I sell a bunch of stuff I'm ordering another Roadeo...(yes, 
> that will make two. I hav big plans ;)  ). I'm debating in my head about 
> the color choice. My current one is a Rambouillet orange and it is sweet 
> looking. I was thinking of some shade of purple for the next one but really 
> have never seen a riv with a purple paint job, something like a deep purple 
> and not too flashy. What do you all think about that color?   
> Now that I bring it up, what are your favorite colors for Rivs?
>

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[RBW] Homer goes to France to ride Paris Brest Paris - a ride report

[Dennis Hogan]

Great description but how do you ride, do controls, eat and sleep and still get 
the pics?

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RE: [RBW] Re: Purple for a Riv?

[olofstroh]

Methinks a purple one with cream (including cream fenders) could look terrific. 
And you can probably trust Riv with finding the right shade of purple. Go for 
it.

 

Olof Stroh

Uppsala Sweden

 

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To: RBW Owners Bunch
Subject: [RBW] Re: Purple for a Riv?

 


On Tuesday, September 1, 2015 at 11:51:36 AM UTC-7, RJM wrote:

As soon as I sell a bunch of stuff I'm ordering another Roadeo...(yes, that 
will make two. I hav big plans ;)  ). I'm debating in my head about the color 
choice. My current one is a Rambouillet orange and it is sweet looking. I was 
thinking of some shade of purple for the next one but really have never seen a 
riv with a purple paint job, something like a deep purple and not too flashy. 
What do you all think about that color?   

Now that I bring it up, what are your favorite colors for Rivs?

 

Not a Riv, but this 25th Anniv Della Santa is purple and very nice looking:

 

 https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!topic/internet-bob/HN4s9Ja_ZII

 

At $850 for the bike and $500 for the frameset, I'm suffering because it is 
just my size!  But, I need to resist as I have too many road bikes and need a 
cross.Good Luck!

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Re: [RBW] Re: Purple for a Riv?

[Mark Reimer]

and




On Tuesday, September 1, 2015 at 2:40:19 PM UTC-5, Mark Reimer wrote:
>
> There is a purple atlantis floating around on the internet somewhere if I 
> recall correctly
>
> On Tuesday, September 1, 2015 at 2:29:00 PM UTC-5, mike goldman wrote:
>>
>> 1992 and 1994 b'stone rb-2 models had a purple in their line-up-check the 
>> catalogs 
>>  
>> Shark Tank’s Huge Idea 
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>> http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/55e5fc60971997c60214fst03duc 
>>
>

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RE: [RBW] Re: Purple for a Riv?

[Allingham II, Thomas J]

Here it is – belonged to Tony D.  
https://www.flickr.com/photos/tonydefilippo/13368572203/in/photolist-mnkqLc-mnmDr1-mnmDbS-mnjHN2-mnjHpX-nsP5Md-qFwcWr-qFwczV-3yp4Ah-qFnww1-4c5Q8Y-67gtVm-4c5QqL-3yiYgp-3asenu-mnkqYX-LSi7f-85MHm8-4tT8b6-4c5PS1
   I think he flipped it to somebody for a more conventional colored Saluki.  
Personally, I think the purple is suh-weet.

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Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2015 3:51 PM
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Subject: RE: [RBW] Re: Purple for a Riv?

There's a purple Saluki somewhere, too.  In VA, maybe?

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There is a purple atlantis floating around on the internet somewhere if I 
recall correctly

On Tuesday, September 1, 2015 at 2:29:00 PM UTC-5, mike goldman wrote:
1992 and 1994 b'stone rb-2 models had a purple in their line-up-check the 
catalogs

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[RBW] Re FS: Heron Touring, very nice SOLD

[olofstroh]

Yep. Found a new life with a lady in Switzerland and is on it´s way to a new
home.

 

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Uppsala Sweden

 

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[RBW] Re: Childrens' bikes

[Philip Williamson]

I had great fun with a Redline "Junior" BMX race bike for my kid, and sold 
it for half what I paid for it. If I'd bought it used, I would have 
probably spent net zero for a few years of use. Light. Fast. Actually 
raceable if your child can handle the noise and testosterone of BMX tracks 
(mine could not - didn't care about winning, hated the gate noise, thought 
the other dads were dicks). 

Philip
www.biketinker.com

On Monday, August 31, 2015 at 10:38:08 AM UTC-7, Pudge wrote:
>
> There was a thread a while back about kids' bikes.  A close friend is 
> looking for a recommendation for a 20" wheel bike for a 6 year old who is 
> very comfortable riding 5 miles and whose parents are looking for a higher 
> quality bike than the department store 16" bike she's riding now.  Any 
> suggestions?
>
>  
>
> Riv content:  Well, how about the unavailability of the 
> considered-but-discarded Riv Rosco Bubbe?
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Re: [RBW] Re: mid-Virginia overnighter

[cyclotourist]

Looks like it used to be a town, anyway! Great bit of adventure there, Paul.

On Mon, Aug 31, 2015 at 11:03 PM, Philip Williamson <
philip.william...@gmail.com> wrote:

> a) Beautiful pictures, and an inspiring looking ride.
> b) There's a town called FARMVILLE? Awesome.
>
> Philip
> www.biketinker.com
>
>
> On Sunday, August 30, 2015 at 7:19:21 PM UTC-7, Bikie#4646 wrote:
>>
>> On August 29-30, 2015, I did this solo overnighter using a modified
>> version of Meade Anderson's "Lee's Retreat" ride, along the lightly-used
>> Civil War motor route. The new 55cm black & cream Sam Hillborne tourer with
>> a new front HAR performed in an exemplarily fashion!
>>
>> I left Farmville, Va. Saturday morning headed to the High Bridge:
>>
>>
>> http://www.dcr.virginia.gov/state-parks/high-bridge-trail.shtml#general_information
>>
>> Then, I was headed west to Holliday Lake State Park, near Appomattox
>> Court House Historic Park. 40 miles, total for Day One. One gravel section
>> for the day.
>>
>> Overnighting there, I woke early, visited the lake briefly for morning
>> light, had breakfast and headed toward Appomattox Court House Park on
>> gravel roads (and one stream ford) where I turned back south east and
>> Pamplin City, a "ghost town", the western end of the High Bridge Rail Trail
>> 20 miles to my van at Farmville. Total: 45 miles for Day Two.
>>
>> Total mileage was 85 miles, plus about 6 miles for goofing around the
>> park and a couple side trips for sightseeing.
>>
>> With temps between the low 60's and mid-80's and no chance for rain, who
>> could ask for more in August in Virginia?  This area is very pretty, low
>>  traffic and quickly becoming one of my favorites within striking
>> distance from Richmond, Va. I can recommend the area for anyone within
>> 100 miles of Farmville or Appomattox.
>>
>> *https://www.flickr.com/photos/bikecrazy-paul/albums/72157657564404759
>> *
>>
>> Paul Germain
>> Midlothian, Va.
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[RBW] Re: mid-Virginia overnighter

[Philip Williamson]

a) Beautiful pictures, and an inspiring looking ride. 
b) There's a town called FARMVILLE? Awesome. 

Philip
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On Sunday, August 30, 2015 at 7:19:21 PM UTC-7, Bikie#4646 wrote:
>
> On August 29-30, 2015, I did this solo overnighter using a modified 
> version of Meade Anderson's "Lee's Retreat" ride, along the lightly-used 
> Civil War motor route. The new 55cm black & cream Sam Hillborne tourer with 
> a new front HAR performed in an exemplarily fashion!
>
> I left Farmville, Va. Saturday morning headed to the High Bridge:
>
>
> http://www.dcr.virginia.gov/state-parks/high-bridge-trail.shtml#general_information
>
> Then, I was headed west to Holliday Lake State Park, near Appomattox Court 
> House Historic Park. 40 miles, total for Day One. One gravel section for 
> the day.
>
> Overnighting there, I woke early, visited the lake briefly for morning 
> light, had breakfast and headed toward Appomattox Court House Park on 
> gravel roads (and one stream ford) where I turned back south east and 
> Pamplin City, a "ghost town", the western end of the High Bridge Rail Trail 
> 20 miles to my van at Farmville. Total: 45 miles for Day Two.
>
> Total mileage was 85 miles, plus about 6 miles for goofing around the 
> park and a couple side trips for sightseeing.
>
> With temps between the low 60's and mid-80's and no chance for rain, who 
> could ask for more in August in Virginia?  This area is very pretty, low  
> traffic 
> and quickly becoming one of my favorites within striking distance from 
> Richmond, Va. I can recommend the area for anyone within 100 miles of 
> Farmville or Appomattox.
>
> *https://www.flickr.com/photos/bikecrazy-paul/albums/72157657564404759 
> *
>
> Paul Germain
> Midlothian, Va.
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Purple for a Riv?

[dougP]

That was the bike she rode to last summer's Entmoot.  It's a really deep, 
rich color, and the creme accents really pop, as you can see from the HT.  
It's tasteful without being flashy.  

dougP

On Tuesday, September 1, 2015 at 2:28:29 PM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> Anne Paulson has a Purple Atlantis. 
>
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/7274186958/
>
> I'm considering a dusty purple powdercoat for one of my project bikes. 
>  Google RAL4001, RAL4005 and RAL4009 for a few of my finalists.
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, September 1, 2015 at 11:51:36 AM UTC-7, RJM wrote:
>>
>> As soon as I sell a bunch of stuff I'm ordering another Roadeo...(yes, 
>> that will make two. I hav big plans ;)  ). I'm debating in my head about 
>> the color choice. My current one is a Rambouillet orange and it is sweet 
>> looking. I was thinking of some shade of purple for the next one but really 
>> have never seen a riv with a purple paint job, something like a deep purple 
>> and not too flashy. What do you all think about that color?   
>> Now that I bring it up, what are your favorite colors for Rivs?
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: A pair of Paul Motolites for sale.

[RJM]

It's currently sporting black Shimano XT v-brakes and I dont know if I took any 
pictures of the bike with the black motolites...I'll have to check the photo 
archive. They are good looking brakes, IMHO.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Almost OT, Mini Moto vs Neo Retro

[Matthew J]

> Don't most V brakes have a cable pull incompatibility with road bike 
> brake levers and integrated brake/shift levers like SIS, DoubleTap & 
Ergo? 

Many do not work well with modern road bike levers.*  Certainly the 
Motolites would prove touchy.  Mini-Moto's and the TRP Mini-Vs do work.

*Just goofing around a few years back I paired Motolites to vintage Campy 
non-aero levers which seemed to pull the Pauls just fine.  Maybe an 
engineer here understands the design difference from then and now?

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[RBW] Re: Speak to me about front loading and rear loading

[John Hawrylak]

Patrick

Is the "Soma radonneur" you refer to wrt Steve, the Grand Radonneur??  If 
so, it has low trial (29 mm) while the Rivs have probably 55 to 65 mm of 
trail.  On the Soma GR, 70%of the weight in the front would make sense.  
Bike Touring News posted this article about loading low trail (Gilles 
Berthoud) and high trail (AHH) and my takeaway was low trail needs the 
weight up front.  They were less specific about the high trial.

Hope this helps

John Hawrylak
Woodstown NJ. 

On Tuesday, September 1, 2015 at 8:53:51 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:

> Chauncey Matthews built me a pair of nice front lowriders, and I used them 
> today with about 9 lb distributed across both sides. This slowed the 
> steering noticeably but not annoyingly; but I daresay that adding 10 more 
> lb a side would do something to the steering I don't like.
>
> Steve, at the bike shop, said his rule is "70% front;" he has a Soma 
> randonneur. 
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Homer goes to France to ride Paris Brest Paris - a ride report

[Patrick Moore]

Congratulations, and thanks for this descriptively (objects and subject)
fine report.

What is French pizza like? I recall Quebec (Ville de) pizza 30+ years ago:
rather bland.

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> For those who may be interested:
>
>
> http://eprider.blogspot.com/2015/08/living-dream-one-account-of-paris-brest.html
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Re: [RBW] Re: Speak to me about front loading and rear loading

[Patrick Moore]

John: yes, just looked up the Soma bike and it is indeed the low trail
"Grand Randonneur." I wonder just how much up front on my Petersenian
custom is ideal. I suppose I can always do the experimental work myself.

Still, I'd like to hear from others about their front/rear divide opinions
-- I know that some of y'all put 100 lb in Wald Newsboy baskets on your
Hunqs, Bombs, and Atlantises.

On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 7:12 PM, John Hawrylak 
wrote:

> Patrick
>
> Is the "Soma radonneur" you refer to wrt Steve, the Grand Radonneur??  If
> so, it has low trial (29 mm) while the Rivs have probably 55 to 65 mm of
> trail.  On the Soma GR, 70%of the weight in the front would make sense.
> Bike Touring News posted this article about loading low trail (Gilles
> Berthoud) and high trail (AHH) and my takeaway was low trail needs the
> weight up front.  They were less specific about the high trial.
>
> Hope this helps
>
> John Hawrylak
> Woodstown NJ.
>
> On Tuesday, September 1, 2015 at 8:53:51 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Chauncey Matthews built me a pair of nice front lowriders, and I used
>> them today with about 9 lb distributed across both sides. This slowed the
>> steering noticeably but not annoyingly; but I daresay that adding 10 more
>> lb a side would do something to the steering I don't like.
>>
>> Steve, at the bike shop, said his rule is "70% front;" he has a Soma
>> randonneur.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Almost OT, Mini Moto vs Neo Retro

[Steve Palincsar]

On 09/01/2015 06:09 PM, Michael Hechmer wrote:
I have ver little experience with V brakes, but as long as they don't 
crowd the fender I can't see why they wouldn't work as well as 
traditional cantis. 


Don't most V brakes have a cable pull incompatibility with road bike 
brake levers and integrated brake/shift levers like SIS, DoubleTap & Ergo?



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Re: [RBW] Re: Purple for a Riv?

[Mike Schiller]

if it's good enough for Samuel L. Jackson it's good enough for me.   I'd 
love a purple bike... and this shade is just perfect 
https://www.flickr.com/photos/22538785@N05/17017389477/in/faves-37347002@N05/

~mike
Carlsbad Ca.

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> Samuel L Jackson would request a purple Rivendell.
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[RBW] Speak to me about front loading and rear loading

[Patrick Moore]

Chauncey Matthews built me a pair of nice front lowriders, and I used them
today with about 9 lb distributed across both sides. This slowed the
steering noticeably but not annoyingly; but I daresay that adding 10 more
lb a side would do something to the steering I don't like.

Steve, at the bike shop, said his rule is "70% front;" he has a Soma
randonneur.

I'm used to carrying up to 40 lb on stiff rear racks; this is not ideal,
particularly on the just-modified '03, and that is why I asked for front
lowriders, so I could distribute the loads more equitably.

My idea of good distribution is 40 lb more or less max load for this bike)
minus what feels good in back = what I put in front; and that would be ~30
rear and 10 front.

Nice Petersenian road geometry.

What do you (individually and collectively) opine on the subject?

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[RBW] Re: Purple for a Riv?

[Matt B.]

Here's a purple Rivendell Road bike

http://cyclofiend.com/Images/rbw/pdf/original_purple.pdf




On Tuesday, September 1, 2015 at 2:51:36 PM UTC-4, RJM wrote:
>
> As soon as I sell a bunch of stuff I'm ordering another Roadeo...(yes, 
> that will make two. I hav big plans ;)  ). I'm debating in my head about 
> the color choice. My current one is a Rambouillet orange and it is sweet 
> looking. I was thinking of some shade of purple for the next one but really 
> have never seen a riv with a purple paint job, something like a deep purple 
> and not too flashy. What do you all think about that color?   
> Now that I bring it up, what are your favorite colors for Rivs?
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[RBW] Re: FS: '83/'84 Specialized Sequoia Frameset 60x57.5: $275

[Paul Brodek]

SOLD---thanks to all!

On Tuesday, September 1, 2015 at 12:10:13 PM UTC-4, Paul Brodek wrote:
>
> I'm losing my free offsite storage soon, so I need to free up some hooks 
> here at home. Up on the block here is an '83/'84 Specialized Sequoia 
> frameset, $275 shipped via BikeFlights to the lower 48. Structurally solid, 
> looks to have relatively low mileage but has some paint issues from 
> sweat/storage. I built it up and rode it briefly, it rides nicely and fits 
> me well, but as much as I'd like to keep the epitome of production 
> sport-touring design & construction, I have too much other stuff and this 
> puppy didn't make the cut.
>
> I not sure how to crack the ser# code: M3D01049 I think means 4/83 
> production, so probably a late '83 or early '84 model-year frame. Don't 
> know if this was still a Miyata build. Specs are:
>
> '83/'84 Specialized Sequoia, ser#M3D01 049 (Miyata? 4/83); Spec'l Touring 
> Cro-Moly tubing
> ST 74.5-deg, HT 72.5-deg
> ST 60.0cm c-c, 61.0cm c-t
> TT: 57.5cm c-c
> Chainstay: 43.0cm, wheelbase 104.5cm
> BB drop 73mm; standover 86.0cm/33.8"
> Rear spacing 126mm; Shimano ES horizontal drops w/single eyelets
> Seatpost dia: 26.8mm   
> Calipers: std/long-reach, nutted
>
> Paint overall is pretty good, but there are problem spots: spiderwebbing 
> below the downtube and seat tube bottle cage mounts, below the shift lever 
> mount and behind the front top tube brake housing guide. Should respond 
> well to some oxalic acid or your rust remover of choice, with some 
> post-treatment touchup. I removed the paint behind the top tube guide to 
> make sure it was just surface rust. There's also a long scrape on the seat 
> tube, and some chipping on the underside of the right seatstay cap (maybe 
> from a stand clamp? hard to figure that one...). There's also some chrome 
> pitting on the driveside chainstay.
>
> Definitely good bones on this one, and if you're not super fussy it can be 
> built and happily ridden as is. Or make it pretty.
>
> Coupla pix attached, more viewable at my flickr album. I do have closeups 
> of the paint issues, so there should be no surprises.
> https://flic.kr/s/aHsk4wp4gu
>
> Happy to answer questions.
>
> Paul Brodek
> Hillsdale, NJ USA
>
> [IMG]
> https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2945/15416667035_2d9e57c837_k.jpg[/IMG]
>
> [IMG]
> https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3929/15229974880_19c23baf80_k.jpg[/IMG]
>
> [IMG]
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>
>
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[RBW] Re: Classic Bike Show + Swap Meet in Frederick MD @ Gravel & Grind, Sept 27th

[Gravel & Grind Espresso + Bikes]

Dan, 

Take the canal up till the Monocacy Aquaduct then:  Monocacy Bottom Road to 
Mt Ephriam to Park Mills to Lily Pons to New Design.  Follow New Design 
north until you hit the city.  Mostly low traffic or shouldered.  Mt 
Ephriam has a good dirt bit, and if you wanna extend it, take in Peters Rd 
and Sugarloaf Mtn road.-james

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> Cool - have been looking for an excuse to check out the shop for a while. 
> Anyone else interested in riding up from DC? On a related matter, anyone 
> have a good route to Fredrick from DC?
> -Dan, DC (duh)
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Re: [RBW] Re: A pair of Paul Motolites for sale.

[Joe Bunik]

Would love to see either the silver or black on your canti-Sam!
=- Joe Bunik
Walnut Creek CA

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[RBW] Both Riv's in Action Today

[Tony DeFilippo]

I've been quite pleased in the past when I manage to get on all of my ride 
able bikes in a given week.  Today I managed to get significant, purposeful 
use out of both my Riv's and it feels even better.  I'm full of admiration 
for how well these bikes perform, and I feel self-affirmed in the manner in 
which I've built them up.  Great day for riding bikes!

Regular commute in on the Saluki with a pitstop by the Jefferson 
Memorial/Tidal Basin.  My sweet colored twine courtesy of Ocean Air Cycles 
(thanks Rob!) needs to be tightened up a bit.  I ended up doing the 14ish 
mile roundtrip almost back to back after an appliance repair guy suddenly 
became available and called me just as I made it into the office.  Couple 
emails later I turned around and biked right back home... so it was less a 
commute than an unnecessarily directed early morning out-and-back.






10ish mile, 1 hour trail and singletrack ride at Wakefield Park and Lake 
Accotink aboard the mighty Bombadil. Pictured here alongside Lake Accotink, 
this was a fantastic, meandering ride with no particular agenda other than 
to tire myself out and enjoy riding in a more natural setting.  I've got an 
annoying intermittant rear wheel noise going on that is driving me a bit 
nuts... doesn't seem to be chain, I removed the kickstand pre-ride, and all 
the spokes appear to be well tensioned.  It may be tire rub but it is oddly 
intermittant, usually comes when pushing hard and it sounds like metal on 
frame somewhere.  Can't find any new scuffs or dings either.  I need to 
ride with a buddy soon to try and isolate it more.  Or else I'll just start 
replacing parts and see...





Makes me want to do it again tomorrow... and I just might! :)




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[RBW] Re: Speak to me about front loading and rear loading

[John Hawrylak]

Patrick

Here is the link to the Bike Touring News article, I forgot to copy it in 
the 1st post

http://biketouringnews.com/bike-touring-tips/how-to-load-a-touring-bike/

John Hawrylak
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Re: [RBW] Purple for a Riv?

[Aaron Young]

The sparkly purple of the old Bridgestones is my all time favorite bike
paint color and will be my first choice for when I get a repaint on any of
my Riv's. I think I will go solid (not contrasting cream) head tube
though.

-Aaron "Big Fan of Purple" Young
The Dalles, OR


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Re: [RBW] Re: Fender front flap: how close to the ground I is still safe?

[Patrick Moore]

I've had mudflaps easily within 1" of the ground. Mine were flexible, so no
harm done if they grounded. That said, as long as the fender/flap keeps
spray from the bb area, it's long enough; and I've found that ~3" above the
ground works on my bikes.

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> In Jan Heine's blog, he states that the front mud flap should be within 2"
> to the ground for maximum protection of spray to the drivetrain and feet. I
> don't know how safe it would be or otherwise but it apparently works well
> for him.
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[RBW] Re: Possible FS: 51cm Sam Hillborne (blue)

[John Hawrylak]

You stated  "Purchased February 2016. 400 miles of mixed terrain."  Do you 
mean 2015 or is this a Back To The Future.

John Hawrylak
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Re: [RBW] Re: Speak to me about front loading and rear loading

[Patrick Moore]

Thanks, John. This confirms my suspicion and prejudice that on the '03 the
fronts should be used (1) only for light (sub 20 lb for both sides) loads,
and (2) for overflow from the main rear load.

I will continue to experiment.

Anecdote: a few years ago, when I owned a Sam Hill (56, single tt, cantis)
I had lowrider mounts brazed on and installed Duos. Just to try things, I
loaded my fronts with ~30 or more lb. I could barely turn the bike!

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> Patrick
>
> Here is the link to the Bike Touring News article, I forgot to copy it in
> the 1st post
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Re: [RBW] Purple for a Riv?

[James Warren]

I love purple for bikes, and while the photo is of my Bridgestone as opposed to a Rivendell, the photo shows the type of purple that I like:https://www.flickr.com/photos/46035786@N07/20883216138/in/dateposted-public/My '91 MB-4 (originally red) has a Ritchey frame but it had no Ritchey Logic fork when bought new. I beat up the paint with a lot of riding from 1991 through 1996. When I got the Ritchey Logic fork for it in 1996, I had the repaint done to be like the MB-3 of 1991; hence the deep purple. Since the only difference between those stock framesets was that MB-3 had Ritchey Logic fork, while MB-4 did not, I sometimes wonder if I could have gotten away with a new "MB-3" decal for my repainted bike, giving it a promotion. I decided to keep it" MB-4" for nostalgia purposes. It's still my best steep-climbing bike, and quite often still gets called My Favorite.The paint job was by CycleArt.



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[RBW] Re: Fender front flap: how close to the ground I is still safe?

[Paul G]

In Jan Heine's blog, he states that the front mud flap should be within 2" 
to the ground for maximum protection of spray to the drivetrain and feet. I 
don't know how safe it would be or otherwise but it apparently works well 
for him.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Almost OT, Mini Moto vs Neo Retro

[Michael Hechmer]

Mark, as I wrote in my last post, I never dispute someones personal 
experience.  If you feel you are getting better braking out of the low 
profile brake, stay with it.

I don't have the energy now to wade through the mathematics of the first 
article you linked, but the second one clearly makes my point, the straddle 
wire wants to be 90o to the brake arm, hence hi profile wants hi straddle 
and low profile wants low straddle.  

Disks and V brakes were originally designed for mountain bikes and although 
they may work well on tandems and touring bikes, that is not their design 
goal.  Disks have a reputation for overheating and warping on tandems.  I 
have ver little experience with V brakes, but as long as they don't crowd 
the fender I can't see why they wouldn't work as well as traditional 
cantis.  I guess what we agree on here is how well Pauls brakes work.

Michael



On Tuesday, September 1, 2015 at 1:50:01 PM UTC-4, Mark Reimer wrote:
>
> I can also lift my rear wheel off the ground on my CX bike with 
> neo-retros, though it takes some doing. I have a high straddle cable for 
> mud clearance and optimal straddle cable angle. The touring cant's have a 
> lower straddle, same brake pads on both sets. I've always found the touring 
> canti's to stop me much faster and have better modulation. 
>
> When it comes to the physics of it, I usually defer to this article, which 
> says it all much better than I can:
>
> http://www.circleacycles.com/cantilevers/canti-geometry.pdf
>
> And this one, for great photos of examples: 
> http://www.blackmtncycles.com/2013/03/get-most-out-of-your-canit-brake.html
>
> All this does make me curious to try lowering my neo-retro straddle cable 
> for increased mechanical advantage. My experience mimics how the first 
> linked article describes a straddle cable which is too high - feels great 
> at the lever, but doesn't have as much stopping power as you'd hope for. 
> I'll try lowering it a bit and see if I can increase my stopping power.
>
> Either way, I love Paul canti's and canti's in general. But I still affirm 
> that the next time I do loaded touring in the mountains and I'm coming down 
> at 75km/h on a 90lb bike, in the rain maybe, I want v-brakes or discs.
>
> On Mon, Aug 31, 2015 at 5:59 PM, Michael Hechmer  > wrote:
>
>> Mark, I'm disinclined to dispute someones personal experience, but yours 
>> doesn't match mine. I wonder if your experience comes from set up.  The 
>> neos want a hi straddle cable and the touring a very low one. This makes 
>> sense to me from my, admittedly limited, knowledge of Newtonian Physics. I 
>> have never used the touring cantis but have had a pair of neos on a pair of 
>> singles for many years.  They can easily lift my rear wheel off the ground 
>> and stop my bike in short order.
>>
>> In addition the Paul's site says this about the neos:
>>
>> These are very powerful brakes and have a tendency to over power thin 
>> tubed frames (in any material). For none-  too-stout frames and forks 
>> we recommend our Touring Canti 
>> .
>>
>> And this about the touring canti:
>>
>> The Touring Canti is a powerful cantilever brake with a similar design to 
>> the Neo-Retro , but 
>> with the arms angled upward. This gives the brake a much narrower profile 
>> without significantly reducing stopping power. 
>>
>> I'm 71, and together the tandem team is 140, so we are not thrill 
>> seekers.  We ride the hills of Vt unloaded quite successfully with 
>> theRacers on our tandem and tour in gentler terrain with the tandem fully 
>> loaded.  I'm looking for increased tire clearance w/out any loss of power.
>>
>> Peace,
>> Michael
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Monday, August 31, 2015 at 10:15:22 AM UTC-4, Mark Reimer wrote:
>>>
>>> No way Neo Retro's on a tandem in my opinion. I have the neo-retros on 
>>> my CX bike and the touring canit's on my Atlantis. The touring canti's have 
>>> substantially more stopping power than the neo retros. However, they still 
>>> aren't anywhere near what I'd consider safe when descending a steep 
>>> hill/mountain with a heavy load, particularly in the rain. 
>>>
>>> Mini motos would have tons more stopping power than the canti's, but 
>>> fender clearance would be the bit challenge as the cable is quite low. As 
>>> was mentioned, the moto-lite's would ensure you can use basically any tire 
>>> you want (with a fender) and have the most stopping power of any Paul 
>>> brake. Just need to have a long-pull brake lever.
>>>
>>> On Monday, August 31, 2015 at 8:16:37 AM UTC-5, Matthew J wrote:

 Mini-Motos have excellent stopping power, are easy to set up and look 
 very good.  I was not able to get the front brake to work over a fender 
 however as the cable between the two sides is relatively low compared to 
 other Mini-Motos.  I did not want to use cantis so wound up using TRP 
 

Re: [RBW] Homer goes to France to ride Paris Brest Paris - a ride report

[Eunice Chang]

He's right. The art of photography is more all about what to look for than
it is about equipment.

All the more kudos, though, for being able to take such lovely photos  (and
remember the stories!) on such a long and grueling ride.

-E.

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> I take pictures with a Panasonic lumix point and shoot camera while
> riding. After 5 years of practice I kind know where and how to point the
> camera to get a shot. The rest is figuring out which shots to share. Take
> lots of pictures but only share the good ones.
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[RBW] Re: Purple for a Riv?

[RJM]

Man, nice bike...great color too. 

On Tuesday, September 1, 2015 at 3:52:42 PM UTC-5, George Schick wrote:
>
>
> 
> This one.  If it's purple it would have to be this shade:
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, September 1, 2015 at 1:51:36 PM UTC-5, RJM wrote:
>>
>> As soon as I sell a bunch of stuff I'm ordering another Roadeo...(yes, 
>> that will make two. I hav big plans ;)  ). I'm debating in my head about 
>> the color choice. My current one is a Rambouillet orange and it is sweet 
>> looking. I was thinking of some shade of purple for the next one but really 
>> have never seen a riv with a purple paint job, something like a deep purple 
>> and not too flashy. What do you all think about that color?   
>> Now that I bring it up, what are your favorite colors for Rivs?
>>
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[RBW] Re: Purple for a Riv?

[George Schick]

This one.  If it's purple it would have to be this shade:



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>
> As soon as I sell a bunch of stuff I'm ordering another Roadeo...(yes, 
> that will make two. I hav big plans ;)  ). I'm debating in my head about 
> the color choice. My current one is a Rambouillet orange and it is sweet 
> looking. I was thinking of some shade of purple for the next one but really 
> have never seen a riv with a purple paint job, something like a deep purple 
> and not too flashy. What do you all think about that color?   
> Now that I bring it up, what are your favorite colors for Rivs?
>

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[RBW] Re: Classic Bike Show + Swap Meet in Frederick MD @ Gravel & Grind, Sept 27th

[DMG]

Cool - have been looking for an excuse to check out the shop for a while. 
Anyone else interested in riding up from DC? On a related matter, anyone 
have a good route to Fredrick from DC?
-Dan, DC (duh)

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[RBW] Re: Purple for a Riv?

[Bill Lindsay]

My previous purple bike was a custom Davidson

https://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/5466031572/

On Tuesday, September 1, 2015 at 2:37:12 PM UTC-7, RJM wrote:
>
> Yeah, that is more the color shade I am leaning towards over the purple 
> Saluki that has been posted (even though that is a cool color too.) The 
> Saluki is a little louder than this one. 
>
> I like these kind of internal debates and obsessionsmakes the work day 
> go by so much quicker. 
>
> On Tuesday, September 1, 2015 at 2:01:38 PM UTC-5, Brewster Fong wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, September 1, 2015 at 11:51:36 AM UTC-7, RJM wrote:
>>>
>>> As soon as I sell a bunch of stuff I'm ordering another Roadeo...(yes, 
>>> that will make two. I hav big plans ;)  ). I'm debating in my head about 
>>> the color choice. My current one is a Rambouillet orange and it is sweet 
>>> looking. I was thinking of some shade of purple for the next one but really 
>>> have never seen a riv with a purple paint job, something like a deep purple 
>>> and not too flashy. What do you all think about that color?   
>>> Now that I bring it up, what are your favorite colors for Rivs?
>>>
>>  
>> Not a Riv, but this 25th Anniv Della Santa is purple and very nice 
>> looking:
>>  
>>  https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!topic/internet-bob/HN4s9Ja_ZII
>>  
>> At $850 for the bike and $500 for the frameset, I'm suffering because it 
>> is just my size!  But, I need to resist as I have too many road bikes and 
>> need a cross.Good Luck!
>>
>

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[RBW] please let me join Rivendell Owners Bunch group on Facebook

[Forrest]

This is for Jim Edgar. Sorry I don't know how to reach you directly. I 
tried to message you on Facebook. I requested to join the Facebook group 
for Rivendell Owners. I am not a bot. I am a living, breathing (panting, 
wheezing) human being RIvendell bicycle owner (currently Hillborne and 
Roadeo). Thanks!

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Re: [RBW] Re: Purple for a Riv?

[cyclotour...@gmail.com]

Samuel L Jackson would request a purple Rivendell.


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[RBW] Re: Purple for a Riv?

[Bill Lindsay]

Anne Paulson has a Purple Atlantis. 


https://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/7274186958/

I'm considering a dusty purple powdercoat for one of my project bikes. 
 Google RAL4001, RAL4005 and RAL4009 for a few of my finalists.



On Tuesday, September 1, 2015 at 11:51:36 AM UTC-7, RJM wrote:
>
> As soon as I sell a bunch of stuff I'm ordering another Roadeo...(yes, 
> that will make two. I hav big plans ;)  ). I'm debating in my head about 
> the color choice. My current one is a Rambouillet orange and it is sweet 
> looking. I was thinking of some shade of purple for the next one but really 
> have never seen a riv with a purple paint job, something like a deep purple 
> and not too flashy. What do you all think about that color?   
> Now that I bring it up, what are your favorite colors for Rivs?
>

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[RBW] Re: Purple for a Riv?

[RJM]

Yeah, that is more the color shade I am leaning towards over the purple 
Saluki that has been posted (even though that is a cool color too.) The 
Saluki is a little louder than this one. 

I like these kind of internal debates and obsessionsmakes the work day 
go by so much quicker. 

On Tuesday, September 1, 2015 at 2:01:38 PM UTC-5, Brewster Fong wrote:
>
>
> On Tuesday, September 1, 2015 at 11:51:36 AM UTC-7, RJM wrote:
>>
>> As soon as I sell a bunch of stuff I'm ordering another Roadeo...(yes, 
>> that will make two. I hav big plans ;)  ). I'm debating in my head about 
>> the color choice. My current one is a Rambouillet orange and it is sweet 
>> looking. I was thinking of some shade of purple for the next one but really 
>> have never seen a riv with a purple paint job, something like a deep purple 
>> and not too flashy. What do you all think about that color?   
>> Now that I bring it up, what are your favorite colors for Rivs?
>>
>  
> Not a Riv, but this 25th Anniv Della Santa is purple and very nice looking:
>  
>  https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!topic/internet-bob/HN4s9Ja_ZII
>  
> At $850 for the bike and $500 for the frameset, I'm suffering because it 
> is just my size!  But, I need to resist as I have too many road bikes and 
> need a cross.Good Luck!
>

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[RBW] Homer goes to France to ride Paris Brest Paris - a ride report

[Iron Rider]

I take pictures with a Panasonic lumix point and shoot camera while riding. 
After 5 years of practice I kind know where and how to point the camera to get 
a shot. The rest is figuring out which shots to share. Take lots of pictures 
but only share the good ones.

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[RBW] Re: A pair of Paul Motolites for sale.

[Philip Kim]

pmed

On Monday, August 31, 2015 at 3:13:24 PM UTC-4, RJM wrote:
>
> I have a set of Paul Component Engineering Motolite brakes, silver in 
> color, for sale. One is new in the package and one I took out of the 
> package and mounted it to my Sam Hillborne just to see how aesthetically 
> pleasing it was...and it didn't work for me. I bought the black ones 
> instead. 
>  
> Here is the product page from Paul Components for extra info.
> http://www.paulcomp.com/motolite.html
>  
> They work great, BTW. If you have a problem with not enough braking power 
> and your bike has canti posts, these brakes will solve it.  
>  
> $175 for the pair and I'll ship them to you if you live in the continental 
> United States. I can take paypal, credit card, evenor personal 
> check/money order with a short wait to ship to make sure everything clears. 
> (sorry about that)
>  
> If you need pictures I can take some tonight and send them to you; please 
> just ask. 
>  
>  
> Thanks. 
>

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[RBW] Re: Homer goes to France to ride Paris Brest Paris - a ride report

[Deacon Patrick]

Fantastic! Thank you for the vicarious chance to ride your front bag!

With abandon,
Patrick

On Monday, August 31, 2015 at 3:35:28 PM UTC-6, Iron Rider wrote:
>
>
> For those who may be interested:
>
>
> http://eprider.blogspot.com/2015/08/living-dream-one-account-of-paris-brest.html
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Next Bomba Tire

[Garth]

  FWIW in addition to this , Schwalbe has a bunch of new tires for 2016.
http://www.schwalbe.com/en/tour.html
http://www.schwalbe.com/en/road.html
http://www.schwalbe.com/en/offroad.html

 They are bringing back the Marathon Cross too, in 26x1.75, 650Bx42 and 
700x38 .

And the Big One .  700 and 650B x 60. 
http://www.schwalbe.com/en/tour-reader/schwalbe-big-one.html  These appear 
to be a tire to completely replace and improve upon the Super Moto model 
which appears gone for 2016.  
http://www.schwalbe.com/en/tour-reader/schwalbe-big-one.html

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[RBW] Re: Purple for a Riv?

[Surlyprof]

I loved my old '86 Bertoni Corsa Mondiale.  The color was in Italian but 
the translation was "God-awful purple" (It also came in "Electric Rose"). 
 It was a very '80's metallic lilac with blue decals that looked like this 
one:  http://vancouver.canadianlisted.com/ad/gallery/2788400/

I'd go a bit darker and I like the suggestion of the creme headtube.   Do 
they have Rodeo seat tube decals that are creme or are they white?

John


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>
> As soon as I sell a bunch of stuff I'm ordering another Roadeo...(yes, 
> that will make two. I hav big plans ;)  ). I'm debating in my head about 
> the color choice. My current one is a Rambouillet orange and it is sweet 
> looking. I was thinking of some shade of purple for the next one but really 
> have never seen a riv with a purple paint job, something like a deep purple 
> and not too flashy. What do you all think about that color?   
> Now that I bring it up, what are your favorite colors for Rivs?
>

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[RBW] Re: Possible FS: 51cm Sam Hillborne (blue)

[dstein]

Yes, if you use the right combination of bees wax, pine tar soap, and irish 
straps you can build your very own flux capacitor :)

2015 is what I meant.

Bike is sold. 

On Tuesday, September 1, 2015 at 6:17:38 PM UTC-7, John Hawrylak wrote:
>
> You stated  "Purchased February 2016. 400 miles of mixed terrain."  Do you 
> mean 2015 or is this a Back To The Future.
>
> John Hawrylak
> Woodstown NJ
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Purple for a Riv?

[Tony DeFilippo]

The purple-luki wasn't for me but I did grow to appreciate it as a nice color.  
I hear that Bill in Ohio is enjoying it still.

A darker purple might have worked for me, I learned to ride on a dark, sparkly 
purple 'ladies' Schwinn after all.

I'm happy with my dark green one and the Bombadil blue is growing on me to.

Tony

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[RBW] 26 to 650b hunqapillar

[dstein]

I have a 48cm hunq that normally runs 26 x 2.1 smart sams. Had a 650b 
wheelset around with babyshoe pass 650b x 42. Threw them on, adjusted the 
cantilever breaks. Everything seems to fit. Bike rides fine (a little 
squirrely, maybe it has something to do with tire pressure though? bar 
height?).

bottom bracket (which is already high for this bike) seems to be the same 
as the overall diameter is pretty close b/w the 26 x 2.1 and 650b x 42's. 
Maybe a little higher.

Any reason I would not want to do this?


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[RBW] Re: Speak to me about front loading and rear loading

[dougP]

Patrick:

I've played with loading quite a bit myself and have spoken with lots of 
bicycle tourists.  The Big Message is the number of variables is large 
enough that you'll have play around with it, perhaps quite a bit.  
Personally, Steve-at-the-bike-shop's recommendation is close to my 
preference of 60% front.  My Atlantis has a Tom Matchak fork with 40mm of 
trail.  Stock was I think 65mm.  If I'm doing a 4 bag trip then I do try to 
spread it around.  But for a lodging tour with only 2 bags they can go 
either end.  Long trip, worth messing with, I'll put on the front rack & 
carry them there.  Overnighter I'll just hang 'em on the rear rack & put 
with whatever tail wag it causes.  No biggie.  So in the 2 bag case I'm 
loading 100% of the weight on one end or the other.  A 2 bag lodging tour 
only needs perhaps 25lbs total, and an S240 something similar.  

To me, the bike is more stable / less agile with the front load.  Rear is 
noticeable but nothing weird.  Racks are a Tubus Cosmo rear & Duo front.  I 
always have my little Nitto front rack & Acorn bag on the Atlantis, & have 
loaded up the Acorn well in excess of Rivendell recommendations.  No 
worries.  

Front panniers seem less affected by crosswinds but more sensitive to 
ground clearance.  

dougP

On Tuesday, September 1, 2015 at 5:53:51 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Chauncey Matthews built me a pair of nice front lowriders, and I used them 
> today with about 9 lb distributed across both sides. This slowed the 
> steering noticeably but not annoyingly; but I daresay that adding 10 more 
> lb a side would do something to the steering I don't like.
>
> Steve, at the bike shop, said his rule is "70% front;" he has a Soma 
> randonneur. 
>
> I'm used to carrying up to 40 lb on stiff rear racks; this is not ideal, 
> particularly on the just-modified '03, and that is why I asked for front 
> lowriders, so I could distribute the loads more equitably.
>
> My idea of good distribution is 40 lb more or less max load for this bike) 
> minus what feels good in back = what I put in front; and that would be ~30 
> rear and 10 front.
>
> Nice Petersenian road geometry.
>
> What do you (individually and collectively) opine on the subject?
>
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[RBW] Re: Dessert under the eaves - Rivelo PDX - Thursday

[Manuel Acosta]

Damn. PDX Rivendell ride? 

Sounds dope. Now all you need is a cool flyer. With 

On Tuesday, September 1, 2015 at 6:20:16 AM UTC-7, John A. Bennett wrote:
>
> We'll be there!
>
>
>
> On Monday, August 31, 2015 at 3:07:13 PM UTC-7, Andy Smitty Schmidt wrote:
>>
>> It’s a simple plan… 
>>
>> Vegan dessert cooked in a dutch oven
>>
>> Thursday (9/3) 
>>
>> Rivelo - 401 SE Caruthers, Portland, OR
>>
>> Dishing up sweetness about 6pm. 
>>
>> Feel free to come early while the thing is cooking. 
>>
>> BYO plate/bowl/spork
>>
>> BYO coffee
>>
>> BYO beer
>>
>> There’s a chance of showers but the Rivelo building has generous eaves to 
>> hide under. 
>>
>>
>> Ride is not a loop. 
>>
>> Ride ends near transit. 
>>
>> Queue sheets not provided.
>>
>> Not EBDJ certified.
>>
>> Special prize to person who eats the most burned bits on the bottom of 
>> the pan. 
>>
>> If you don't know your PBH, experts will be standing by to measure it for 
>> you. 
>>
>>
>> See you Thursday. 
>>
>> --Smitty
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: A pair of Paul Motolites for sale.

[RJM]

Sent one back to you, Philthanks. 
 

On Tuesday, September 1, 2015 at 7:34:57 AM UTC-5, Philip Kim wrote:

> pmed
>
> On Monday, August 31, 2015 at 3:13:24 PM UTC-4, RJM wrote: 
>>
>> I have a set of Paul Component Engineering Motolite brakes, silver in 
>> color, for sale. One is new in the package and one I took out of the 
>> package and mounted it to my Sam Hillborne just to see how aesthetically 
>> pleasing it was...and it didn't work for me. I bought the black ones 
>> instead. 
>>  
>> Here is the product page from Paul Components for extra info.
>> http://www.paulcomp.com/motolite.html
>>  
>> They work great, BTW. If you have a problem with not enough braking power 
>> and your bike has canti posts, these brakes will solve it.  
>>  
>> $175 for the pair and I'll ship them to you if you live in the 
>> continental United States. I can take paypal, credit card, evenor 
>> personal check/money order with a short wait to ship to make sure 
>> everything clears. (sorry about that)
>>  
>> If you need pictures I can take some tonight and send them to you; please 
>> just ask. 
>>  
>>  
>> Thanks. 
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: mid-Virginia overnighter

['Paul Germain' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I recall your trip Tony! You've come a long way! (and many nice bikes)


I wish I was technological enough to furnish you with files from the ride, but 
alas, I still use (and enjoy) paper maps. The state sells a compete set of 
county maps for $35, shipped! Where a ride may cross county lines, I make 
copies, cut & paste, re-copy and mark with a highlighter. Always some 
surprises, but many of those are happy ones! (Like these two old - ca. 1900 & 
1912) one-lane, steel girder, wood-decked bridges on gravel road approaches in 
nearby Cumberland & Amelia Counties:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/bikecrazy-paul/albums/72157645363078064 )


The paper maps do have a nice quality of seeing the "overall" route at once, 
picking alternate roads at will and spotting dirt / gravel roads. Of course, I 
know this is possible with a GPS, etc. and always enjoy having friends along 
that can help back me up with route-finding.


Speaking of route-finding, have you heard of the Japanese cyclists' habit of 
"pass-hunting"? Cool. This is from my good riding buddy, Meade Anderson:



From: meade anderson [mailto:mea...@erols.com] 
Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 11:05 PM
To: 'germain...@aol.com'; 'Richard Gonet'
Subject: pass hunting

 
Did y’all catch this?  That google translator is amazing
http://www.symphonic-net.com/france1961/yanoko2009-1.htm
Japanese
 
http://translate.google.com/translate?js=n=_t=en=UTF-8=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.symphonic-net.com%2Ffrance1961%2Fyanoko2009-1.htm=ja=en_state0=
translated into English
 
http://74.125.115.132/translate_c?hl=en=UTF-8=ja=en=http://www.symphonic-net.com/france1961/sakashita-2.htm=_t=translate.google.com=ALkJrhganUJemyY1y47opMRjEnBS4kokcA
Another article…
 
 

Good to talk to you Tony! I hope to someday meet you up in DC. I love riding 
Southern MD, but haven't been this year.



Paul Germain
www.GermainArt.com
germain...@aol.com




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From: Tony DeFilippo 
To: RBW Owners Bunch 
Sent: Mon, Aug 31, 2015 11:38 pm
Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: mid-Virginia overnighter


 
Paul thanks for sharing!  
   
  
  
About 3 years ago my wife and I stumbled onto the High Bridge trail for a day 
trip very early in my 'discovery' of biking.  
  
   
  
  
  


  
We found the 'rolling hills' on the surrounding roads to be a bit aggressive 
for our skills on that day and were happy to find the rail trail and the 
dramatic bridge crossing.  
  


  
Some of your flickr pictures hint at it but I'd love to see a google map or 
ride w/ gps file of your route for future reference!

Tony
  


  
   
  
 
  
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[RBW] Classic Bike Show + Swap Meet in Frederick MD @ Gravel & Grind, Sept 27th

[Gravel & Grind Espresso + Bikes]

Hey gang,   


We’re holding a low key bike swap and classic bike show at Gravel & Grind 
(Riv’s newest east coast dealer) at the end of September.  Here’s the gist:


*What: *Classic Bike Show and Bike Swap + Gravel & Grind yard sale with 
tons (25+) of old frames and incomplete bikes, new and barely used parts 
(Brooks, VO, Nitto, and way more)

*Where: *Gravel & Grind @ 124 S. Carroll St, Frederick MD 21701

*How Much?* Attendance is free, but if you want to sell a bike, show up 
with 5 bucks. If you want to get a space to sell goods, get in touch with 
us soon, and for 10 bucks you get a 10’x6’ space. No tables or anything, 
you are on your own there.  Ditto on bike displays.  Bring your own bike 
holder thing.  If you want to display a cool classically inspired bike, that’s 
free.  But bring something to display it with. 


*When:* Swap and Show 9-3 on Sept 27th. If you are displaying stuff, please 
be at the shop at 8. Group casual town ride at 4.30pm, after the swap.  


*Contact:* gravelandgrind (at) gmail.com to reserve a space.  


*Other stuff*:  We’re gunna do a casual city ride post swap, at around 
4.30.  Bring a suitable bike.


More info:   
https://www.facebook.com/events/519002968261967/   





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[RBW] Re: Childrens' bikes

[EGNolan]

If you want to accommodate a child long term, a disc brake bike like a 
Surly Straggler or Fairdale Weekender are an option. I know both of these 
work well with 26" wheels through 700c & the smalls are pretty dang small. 
My nearly seven year old rides a Giant Awesome 24" mountain bike, but the 
Fairdale w/ 26" wheels actually has a lower standover height. The tt is a 
little longer, but with the right stem & bar combo works well. 155-165 
cranks and the bb height isn't all that low & now we've got a bike that is 
lighter & better appointed & with a couple changes of wheels & stems should 
last for several years. I was given the frame/fork or I probably would've 
had a hard time swallowing the price for a kid's bike, but the Isla's 
aren't terribly cheap either. Just throwing another option out there. 
Smitty from the list & Jim (used to run Hiawatha) from the list have both 
used Stragglers for this purpose I believe.

Best,
Eric

On Tuesday, September 1, 2015 at 9:30:15 AM UTC-4, Jeffrey Marco wrote:

> Linus also has some decent looking kids bikes. 
> http://www.linusbike.com/collections/bikes-kids. My Son and Daughter will 
> be ready to roll on 20's next summer.
>
> On Monday, August 31, 2015 at 1:38:08 PM UTC-4, Pudge wrote:
>>
>> There was a thread a while back about kids' bikes.  A close friend is 
>> looking for a recommendation for a 20" wheel bike for a 6 year old who is 
>> very comfortable riding 5 miles and whose parents are looking for a higher 
>> quality bike than the department store 16" bike she's riding now.  Any 
>> suggestions?
>>
>>  
>>
>> Riv content:  Well, how about the unavailability of the 
>> considered-but-discarded Riv Rosco Bubbe?
>>
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[RBW] Re: Dessert under the eaves - Rivelo PDX - Thursday

[John A. Bennett]

We'll be there!



On Monday, August 31, 2015 at 3:07:13 PM UTC-7, Andy Smitty Schmidt wrote:
>
> It’s a simple plan… 
>
> Vegan dessert cooked in a dutch oven
>
> Thursday (9/3) 
>
> Rivelo - 401 SE Caruthers, Portland, OR
>
> Dishing up sweetness about 6pm. 
>
> Feel free to come early while the thing is cooking. 
>
> BYO plate/bowl/spork
>
> BYO coffee
>
> BYO beer
>
> There’s a chance of showers but the Rivelo building has generous eaves to 
> hide under. 
>
>
> Ride is not a loop. 
>
> Ride ends near transit. 
>
> Queue sheets not provided.
>
> Not EBDJ certified.
>
> Special prize to person who eats the most burned bits on the bottom of the 
> pan. 
>
> If you don't know your PBH, experts will be standing by to measure it for 
> you. 
>
>
> See you Thursday. 
>
> --Smitty
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Childrens' bikes

[LeahFoy]

I'm so mad that I never thought of those Linus bikes. I just bought a Giant 
20incher for my 1st grader to commute to school. It's a great bike, but 
wouldn't we have been a darling pair on my Riv Betty Foy and his Linus 
roadster? 

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[RBW] Re: Childrens' bikes

[Jeffrey Marco]

Linus also has some decent looking kids 
bikes. http://www.linusbike.com/collections/bikes-kids. My Son and Daughter 
will be ready to roll on 20's next summer.

On Monday, August 31, 2015 at 1:38:08 PM UTC-4, Pudge wrote:
>
> There was a thread a while back about kids' bikes.  A close friend is 
> looking for a recommendation for a 20" wheel bike for a 6 year old who is 
> very comfortable riding 5 miles and whose parents are looking for a higher 
> quality bike than the department store 16" bike she's riding now.  Any 
> suggestions?
>
>  
>
> Riv content:  Well, how about the unavailability of the 
> considered-but-discarded Riv Rosco Bubbe?
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Re: [RBW] Re: Country Bike Rally in Michigan 2015

[Marc Irwin]

Based on the replies I have had, I reserved two campsites at Yankee Springs 
for the weekend of 9/25-27.  One is reserved for Sunday as well in case 
anybody besides me needs to stay an extra day.  There are 5 of us camping 
for sure with a couple more possible.  The campsites can accommodate one 
more vehicle and as many as 4 more people comfortably.   Several people 
plan to drive in for the ride on Saturday which will start around 10AM from 
the parking lot at the day use area adjacent to the campground.  I'm 
looking at a group of 10-15 on the Saturday ride, I'm not sure what to 
expect for the Art Prize option on Sunday.  
  There are several small stores, restaurants and bars in the immediate 
area. I am planning to cook scrambled eggs and bacon for breakfast on 
Saturday and Sunday mornings.  Saturday night I plan to have some roasted 
brisket and turkey breast for dinner.   If everybody could bring a side we 
could have an old fashioned potluck for dinner that night.  Beer, of 
course, is intertwined with bike culture and unavoidable for an event like 
this.
Looks like fun!

Marc 

On Monday, August 24, 2015 at 12:21:11 PM UTC-4, Marc Irwin wrote:
>
> Great!, let me know.
>
> Marc
>
> On Monday, August 24, 2015 at 11:00:36 AM UTC-4, CapNMike wrote:
>>
>> Hi Marc, 
>>
>> I rode much of the round last weekend road conditions are great. I 
>> haven't decided if I will be camping or just driving over each day. Hoping 
>> to bring a few like-minded cyclist with me. 
>>
>> -Mike 
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone 
>>
>> > On Aug 24, 2015, at 09:47, Marc Irwin  wrote: 
>> > 
>> > I got back from last week's ride along the Michigan lake shore.  I will 
>> be waiting until later in the week to make reservations for the rally on 
>> the 25th of Sept.  So far I have only received 2 confirmations in the mail. 
>>  According to the responses I've had, I expect 10-12 for the weekend.  $20 
>> each should take of camping for the weekend, it can be sent to me by mail 
>> or through Google wallet (it's easy and free).  Here is a link to the route 
>> I have put together:http://www.mapmyride.com/routes/view/813742175 
>> > It is a relatively moderate route and I checked out the roads which are 
>> in very good condition.  It's about 60% gravel with both of the climbing 
>> sections on asphalt.  Hope to see you all there. 
>> > 
>> > Marc 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Chauncey-modified 2003 Curt

[Patrick Moore]

Thanks. The Ortliebs are red, too. I do need fenders but will chance
today's predicted 50% chance of rain.

On Mon, Aug 31, 2015 at 11:38 PM, Philip Williamson <
philip.william...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Oh I'm impressed. Aside from the nice mods, the bartape and Banzer bag are
> pretty sweet.
> The unexpected sizes of wheels, headtube, chainring, keep the eye moving
> around the whole machine, and it's one of my favorite colors.
>
> Philip
> www.biketinker.com
>
> On Sunday, August 30, 2015 at 7:44:45 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> I was at building it up from noon until 6 pm, and, not having eaten
>> anything, I only rode to and from Sprouts to get dinner, 12 miles rt.
>>
>> The Kojaks do feel more draggy than the Elk Passes -- or maybe that was
>> the SON Deluxe with headlight and tail light.
>>
>> I appreciate better the experience and planning that is needed to
>> integrate fenders, lights, and other equipment. The rear rack is the 3d
>> Chauncey has made for me, and I think he's got it right this time; though I
>> could make a couple of improvements even to this one.
>>
>> When I gave him the brazing list, I neglected to explain how the tail
>> light hooks up to the Edeluxe lamp, and not directly to the dynamo.
>> Fortunately, despite the rather thick Edeluxe cable, I was able to force a
>> second, thinner one through the fender/rack strut using a single wire from
>> a brake cable. It's not ideal, but it seems to work.
>>
>> Also, I didn't think of the rear light cable routing between crown and
>> top tube -- I should have had guides brazed along the right side of the
>> head tube. Oh well, the brake housing works well enough.
>>
>> The wires run from the Edeluxe down the right strut to the SON Deluxe,
>> where the headlamp clips to the terminals and the rear lamp wire runs to
>> guides along the fork leg to crown, where it detours to the brake housing
>> and thence to guides along the top tube; thence to guides along the right
>> seatstay, enters the central rack tube where it exits handily just for'ard
>> of the rear lamp.
>>
>> Overall, the wire's routing is far, far neater than before and I'm very
>> pleased with it.
>>
>> I now have a rear brake for the first time since 2006, for the freewheel
>> I installed on the flip side of the Surly hub. Eventually, God willing,
>> I'll get that S3X or, perhaps -- I am thinking -- a SA kickback; as long as
>> my dropouts will accommodate a 23 t cog in back -- and I think they will.
>>
>> Right now: a 17/19 Dingle and a 18 t freewheel (70", 63", 66" with the 48
>> t ring and a 24.8" wheel. A kickback would give me ~52" direct and ~69"
>> overdrive (assuming I am right in believing that overdrive is 33%).
>>
>> I botched the rear Berthoud 45 mm fender and need to replace it.
>>
>> Does anyone have a stainless steel, 45 mm orphan fender to sell cheap? I
>> can use either front or rear, as I plan to amputate the rear fender just
>> aft of the rear rack -- this will obviate hassles with an axle moving far
>> enough along the dropout to accommodate a 7 or 8 tooth difference in cog
>> teeth.
>>
>> I also stripped the threads in the boss on the underside of the rear
>> brake bridge, but that's fine, I'll just use a "L" bracket to mount the
>> rear to the brake mounting bolt.
>>
>> The powdercoat is quite good -- the complex curlicue lug definition is as
>> sharp as under paint, and the wire guides are free from any clogging. The
>> color is rather more brown than the wonderful, original sage green, but
>> it's still a pleasant color -- a *nice* pea soup color -- and a neighbor
>> stopped by to compliment me on it.
>>
>> The black/silver aesthetic is not my first choice; it's dictated by the
>> Equalizer rims, which don't come in silver, alas. But I don't think it
>> looks bad; and I do have my gofast for the retro all-silver aesthetic.
>>
>> I replaced the Lizard Skin bar tape after ~3K miles with "Fizik"; the
>> Lizard Skin was wearing out on the ramps. I find the thinner LS very
>> comfortable; the Fizik is much plumper, but it feels good and it costs 37%
>> less than the LS. (I don't wear gloves except in cold weather.)
>>
>> [image: Inline image 1]
>>
>> I've got a bulk order of Elk Passes on the way, and I will convert when
>> they arrive.
>>
>> So far, so good! Alhamdulillah!
>>
>>
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>> By-the-hour resume and LinkedIn coaching.
>> Other professional writing services.
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>>
>> *
>> *The point which is the pivot of the norm is the motionless center of a
>> circumference on the rim of which all conditions, distinctions, and
>> individualities revolve. *Chuang Tzu
>>
>> *Stat crux dum volvitur orbis.* Carthusian motto
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: mid-Virginia overnighter

['Paul Germain' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Tony,


I owe all of my "pathfinding" skills to friend, Meade Anderson, who used to put 
on an annual "joint" Richmond area - No. Va. I-BOB ride around Guinea Station & 
Ladysmith, off I-95. (I first met Joan Oppel and Steve Palinscar then.)


Yes, the Va. Bicycling map is nice, but does not hold a candle to Maryland. 
Also, unfortunately, Va. taxpayers refuse to fund more then 6 inches of 
shoulder on most roads. That's why I love these out-of-the-way country roads 
with little traffic. Usually, once I'm away from areas where the "packs" of 
cyclists create animosity with drivers, it can be nice. But, I do get a case of 
envy when I'm in So. MD or around Frederick and find good shoulder on most 
backroads.


Let me know if you're down this way sometime - or if you'd like recommendations 
on more trails. There's a new one southwest of Petersburg, Va., the Tobacco 
Heritage Rail Trail, that was funded with Tobacco Settlement money and has a 
nice look to the infrastructure:


http://tobaccoheritagetrail.org


I could be within striking distance for you. (Could be your "Lucky Strike" - 
oooh, sorry!)


Paul Germain
Midlothain, Va.






 


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Re: [RBW] Re: mid-Virginia overnighter

['Paul Germain' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Your son would enjoy it Ryan! The bridge is spectacular of course, but is only 
a 7-mile round trip from Farmville. The rest of the 31-mile trail is only 
moderately interesting, since it does not follow a river like most rail trails 
do. But, being new to that kind of thing, he won't care. The trail surface is 
excellent and I prefer it to asphalt. However, there's not a lot of tree cover 
like the C, etc., so fall temps would be easier for him. Not much water 
providing on the outer limits, so stay hydrated.


They need to extend it both ways a few miles to take it right into Pamplin 
(western end) and Burkeville (eastern end) and hopefully that will happen 
someday.


Other attractions nearby are Appomattox Court House and Sailor's Creek 
Battlefield Park near Rice, Va., if he's into Civil War history.


Send a picture when you get the Sam built!


P. 


Paul Germain
www.GermainArt.com
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-Original Message-
From: Ryan Thompson 
To: RBW Owners Bunch 
Sent: Tue, Sep 1, 2015 12:19 am
Subject: [RBW] Re: mid-Virginia overnighter


 
Looks great Paul.  I've always wanted to ride the High Bridge Trail.  Maybe 
after I finish building up the Sam you sold me my son and will drive down from 
DC and check it out.  
   
  
  
Ryan   
   
On Sunday, August 30, 2015 at 10:19:21 PM UTC-4, Bikie#4646 wrote:   

 
  
   
On August 29-30, 2015, I did this solo overnighter using a modified 
version of Meade Anderson's "Lee's Retreat" ride, along the lightly-used Civil 
War motor route. The new 55cm black & cream Sam Hillborne tourer with a new 
front HAR performed in an exemplarily fashion!   
   

   
   
I left Farmville, Va. Saturday morning headed to the High Bridge
:   
   

   
   

http://www.dcr.virginia.gov/state-parks/high-bridge-trail.shtml#general_information
   
   

   
   
Then, I was headed west to Holliday Lake State Park, near Appomattox 
Court House Historic Park. 40 miles, total for Day One. One gravel section for 
the day.   
   

   
   
Overnighting there, I woke early, visited the lake briefly for 
morning light, had breakfast and headed toward Appomattox Court House Park on 
gravel roads (and one stream ford) where I turned back south east and Pamplin 
City, a "ghost town", the western end of the High Bridge Rail Trail 20 miles to 
my van at Farmville. Total: 45 miles for Day Two.   
   

   
   
Total mileage was 85 miles, plus about 6 miles for goofing 
around the park and a couple side trips for sightseeing.   
   

   
   
With temps between the low 60's and mid-80's and no chance for rain, 
who could ask for more in August in Virginia?  This area is 
very pretty, low  traffic and quickly becoming one of my 
favorites within striking distance from Richmond, Va. I can 
recommend the area for anyone within 100 miles of Farmville or 
Appomattox.   
  
  
   
  
  
   https://www.flickr.com/photos/bikecrazy-paul/albums/72157657564404759
  
  
   
  
  
   Paul Germain  
  
   Midlothian, Va.  
  
   
  
 
 
   

   
  
 
  
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[RBW] FS: '83/'84 Specialized Sequoia Frameset 60x57.5: $275

[Paul Brodek]

I'm losing my free offsite storage soon, so I need to free up some hooks 
here at home. Up on the block here is an '83/'84 Specialized Sequoia 
frameset, $275 shipped via BikeFlights to the lower 48. Structurally solid, 
looks to have relatively low mileage but has some paint issues from 
sweat/storage. I built it up and rode it briefly, it rides nicely and fits 
me well, but as much as I'd like to keep the epitome of production 
sport-touring design & construction, I have too much other stuff and this 
puppy didn't make the cut.

I not sure how to crack the ser# code: M3D01049 I think means 4/83 
production, so probably a late '83 or early '84 model-year frame. Don't 
know if this was still a Miyata build. Specs are:

'83/'84 Specialized Sequoia, ser#M3D01 049 (Miyata? 4/83); Spec'l Touring 
Cro-Moly tubing
ST 74.5-deg, HT 72.5-deg
ST 60.0cm c-c, 61.0cm c-t
TT: 57.5cm c-c
Chainstay: 43.0cm, wheelbase 104.5cm
BB drop 73mm; standover 86.0cm/33.8"
Rear spacing 126mm; Shimano ES horizontal drops w/single eyelets
Seatpost dia: 26.8mm   
Calipers: std/long-reach, nutted

Paint overall is pretty good, but there are problem spots: spiderwebbing 
below the downtube and seat tube bottle cage mounts, below the shift lever 
mount and behind the front top tube brake housing guide. Should respond 
well to some oxalic acid or your rust remover of choice, with some 
post-treatment touchup. I removed the paint behind the top tube guide to 
make sure it was just surface rust. There's also a long scrape on the seat 
tube, and some chipping on the underside of the right seatstay cap (maybe 
from a stand clamp? hard to figure that one...). There's also some chrome 
pitting on the driveside chainstay.

Definitely good bones on this one, and if you're not super fussy it can be 
built and happily ridden as is. Or make it pretty.

Coupla pix attached, more viewable at my flickr album. I do have closeups 
of the paint issues, so there should be no surprises.
https://flic.kr/s/aHsk4wp4gu

Happy to answer questions.

Paul Brodek
Hillsdale, NJ USA

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Re: [RBW] Re: mid-Virginia overnighter

[Tony DeFilippo]

Paul,

I didn't know about the VA County map option, that is awesome!  I love
paper maps myself, not as handy for sharing things online but very
satisfying in the hand. I like that you do the paper print outs for your
trips.  I actually did the same for my Harpers Ferry by tandem ride this
past July, not that there is alot of navigation to do once you get on the
C but I wanted to keep aware of my bailouts and what trail services were
available regardless of the condition of my phone.  I'm going to order that
county set, and WOW the VDOT VA Bike map is spectacular... I'm going to
order one of those to.  Talk about a perfect bucket list reminder of the
local trails.  Very cool.

Those bridges are fantastic discoveries and thanks for sharing the links to
the Japanese 'pass hunters'. I was aware of the term from Bike Quarterly
but I hadn't seen an example on such a rough terrain road.  That looks like
quite an adventure, and the road looks like it might be older than European
settlement in North America to!  :)

We should definitely figure out an opportunity for a joint ride!

Tony


On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 11:19 AM 'Paul Germain' via RBW Owners Bunch <
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> I recall your trip Tony! You've come a long way! (and many nice bikes)
>
> I wish I was technological enough to furnish you with files from the
> ride, but alas, I still use (and enjoy) paper maps. The state sells a
> compete set of county maps for $35, shipped! Where a ride may cross county
> lines, I make copies, cut & paste, re-copy and mark with a highlighter.
> Always some surprises, but many of those are happy ones! (Like these two
> old - ca. 1900 & 1912) one-lane, steel girder, wood-decked bridges on
> gravel road approaches in nearby Cumberland & Amelia Counties:
> *https://www.flickr.com/photos/bikecrazy-paul/albums/72157645363078064
> * )
>
> The paper maps do have a nice quality of seeing the "overall" route at
> once, picking alternate roads at will and spotting dirt / gravel roads. Of
> course, I know this is possible with a GPS, etc. and always enjoy having
> friends along that can help back me up with route-finding.
>
> Speaking of route-finding, have you heard of the Japanese cyclists' habit
> of "pass-hunting"? Cool. This is from my good riding buddy, Meade Anderson:
>
> *From:* meade anderson [mailto:mea...@erols.com ]
> *Sent:* Monday, June 15, 2009 11:05 PM
> *To:* 'germain...@aol.com'; 'Richard Gonet'
> *Subject:* pass hunting
>
> Did y’all catch this?  That google translator is amazing
> http://www.symphonic-net.com/france1961/yanoko2009-1.htm
> Japanese
>
>
> http://translate.google.com/translate?js=n=_t=en=UTF-8=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.symphonic-net.com%2Ffrance1961%2Fyanoko2009-1.htm=ja=en_state0
> =
> translated into English
>
>
> http://74.125.115.132/translate_c?hl=en=UTF-8=ja=en=http://www.symphonic-net.com/france1961/sakashita-2.htm=_t=translate.google.com=ALkJrhganUJemyY1y47opMRjEnBS4kokcA
> Another article…
>
>
> Good to talk to you Tony! I hope to someday meet you up in DC. I love
> riding Southern MD, but haven't been this year.
>
>
> Paul Germain
> *www.GermainArt.com *
> germain...@aol.com
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Tony DeFilippo 
> To: RBW Owners Bunch 
> Sent: Mon, Aug 31, 2015 11:38 pm
> Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: mid-Virginia overnighter
>
> Paul thanks for sharing!
>
> About 3 years ago my wife and I stumbled onto the High Bridge trail for a
> day trip very early in my 'discovery' of biking.
>
>
> 
>
> We found the 'rolling hills' on the surrounding roads to be a bit
> aggressive for our skills on that day and were happy to find the rail trail
> and the dramatic bridge crossing.
>
> Some of your flickr pictures hint at it but I'd love to see a google map
> or ride w/ gps file of your route for future reference!
>
> Tony
>
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[RBW] Re: A pair of Paul Motolites for sale.

[RJM]

These are sold. 
 
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[RBW] Re: Classic Bike Show + Swap Meet in Frederick MD @ Gravel & Grind, Sept 27th

[Tony DeFilippo]

Sounds like a fun day.  I'm going to try and convince my wife... we've got 
a wedding in Winchester the day before so we could easily divert through 
Frederick on the way home.  Gravel and Grind is on my hit list for visiting 
anyway.  Any other local-lister's thinking about attending?

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