[RBW] Re: Coffee outside.

['Clayton' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Cecily, 

My last easy bikepacking trip with my son has made me a whiny, whimpering 
limper.   I have talked to a couple of folks here in town that have had 
knee replacements that have said, "You'll know when it is time".  I will? 
 I have had eleven or twelve surgeries on various injuries and am burned 
out on going through the processUgh. I am now in knee conservation 
mode. I only ride when I have to (without a car, it's still daily).  What 
made you decide it was time? Your attitude is great!  I am excited for you! 
Clayton



On Tuesday, October 20, 2015 at 11:27:22 PM UTC-7, Cecily Walker wrote:
>
> I'm getting antsy. I want to ride NOW NOW NOW, but I know I need to let my 
> muscles get stronger.  How are you fairing, Clayton? 
>
> On Monday, October 12, 2015 at 8:28:02 AM UTC-7, Clayton wrote:
>>
>> Thanks for the update Cecily. It sounds like you are recovering quickly. 
>> That gives me hopeWORK HARD! 
>> Clayton
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Brooks

[Wayne Naha]

They got your seatpost, too?  Sorry to hear it.  A dark green Brooks is a 
rare bird.  I don't happen to have an extra saddle at the moment, but I'm 
sure somebody on the list does.  Good luck!

On Wednesday, October 21, 2015 at 9:36:04 AM UTC-4, jandrews_nyc wrote:
>
> Good Morning
> My dark green Brooks b17 special was stolen of my Hillborn last night.
> Curious if anyone has a b17 laying around they'd like to sell?
> Oddly they left the Nigel Smyth saddle bag just hanging on the bike.  I 
> guess a tweed bike bag isn't that sexy.
> thanks
> Jason
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Brooks

[Jon Dukeman in the foothills of Colorado]

That Sucks!
>
I don't have an extra B17 but I'm sure someone on here maybe able to help 
you.
A green B17 should stand out and hopefully they will get the low life scum 
and you will get your saddle back.
Jon
 

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[RBW] Re: Keven

[Jon Dukeman in the foothills of Colorado]

I have only been on here a year.
The few times I've asked Kevin for help he went out of his way to ensure my 
questions were answered and was always polite and didn't rush me off the 
phone .
Best of luck to you Kevin in your future endeavors. I'm confident you will 
be successful in whatever you choose to do.
Jon


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[RBW] Brooks

[jandrews_nyc]

Good Morning
My dark green Brooks b17 special was stolen of my Hillborn last night.
Curious if anyone has a b17 laying around they'd like to sell?
Oddly they left the Nigel Smyth saddle bag just hanging on the bike.  I 
guess a tweed bike bag isn't that sexy.
thanks
Jason

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[RBW] Re: Visiting the E. Bay & NM

[Clayton.sf]

Going to be doing a Marin mixterr on Friday. SF to Tam to Pt Reyes station. 
Will camp overnight out there's da head back to SF in the morning, but you 
could easily ride back same day if needed. Pm If you want to join the fun.

Clayton Scott
SF, CA

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[RBW] Re: Keven

[Ed S]

It's kinda shocking to find out that Keven is leaving. I first met him in 
2006 at the RIV HQ when he helped me put an order for bikes, etc. Since 
then he has helped me more than a dozen times mostly by email and phone 
calls. RIV is made up of some of the nicest and capable employees but still 
Keven shines a little brighter.
Thank you for being generous with your time and advice. You really are at 
the forefront in making Rivendell one of the best customer service store in 
the whole USA. May you be blessed in your future endeavors!   

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[RBW] Re: Clementine tire size?

[Montclair BobbyB]

Well I will at least attempt to put 2.35 Big Apples (700c) on my 59cm 
Clementine with 65mm VO fenders; otherwise I guess I'll have to forego the 
fenders or go with 2.0 inch tires.  

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[RBW] Re: WTB: Fatty Rumpkins

[Ryan Ray]

Bought a par of foldables for $40 and just bought a pair of those tektro 
cantis everyone likes. Thanks!

- Ryan




On Friday, October 16, 2015 at 3:18:20 PM UTC-7, Ryan Ray wrote:
>
> I know you bought some Fatty Rumpkins then decided to go all BQ and swap 
> them out for Hetres. This means you have some Rumpkins hanging out in your 
> garage collecting dust in their cute little circular treads. You probably 
> also live in Seattle. If so MSG me because I spent too much of my 
> city/s240/gravel bike budget a SON28 and need tires at less than new 
> prices. Also looking for Tektro cantis. I have a pair R539s if you want to 
> trade.
>

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[RBW] Re: Keven

[Montclair BobbyB]

Aw come on Keven... DON'T LEAVE!!! 

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[RBW] Brooks

[Kainalu]

I've got a flyer in N. Brooklyn you could borrow in the meantime. I walk by a 
green b17 special every day and lament it's inevitable death by harsh 
environment. Not saying you should take it, just that they're out there, mostly 
protected, but some spending their days rotting in the rain and sun forever 
locked to a condominium. 
-Kai

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[RBW] Re: Racks for the Clem

[Garth]

  
  As an observer of the bike , with a long front-center it seems to scream 
"front rack" .  It would help out the weight balance overall front-rear. A 
porteur would be great !  I'd chose the Soma Deluxe SS over the VO as the 
Soma has the added fork struts for stabilization. 

 I've seen it w/o fence for as little as $132 .  
http://www.outsideoutfitters.com/p-23468-soma-porteur-front-cargo-rack.aspx?variantID=75661=Cj0KEQjw75yxBRD78uqEnuG-5vcBEiQAQbaxSPCjvPccINhO7rX30zjW6B7a1uKjg5TU9jbSTtPt85kaAs7h8P8HAQ

As far as "the price"  really ?  These are one-time and long-time 
purchases ,* if you get what you want first.  *If you don't get what you 
want, you end up dissatisfied and end up spending more later on something 
else . * Get what you really want the first time *:) 

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[RBW] Re: Lifeline 100 Century Ride with a twist Report

[islaysteve]

Thanks for the detailed response, there's a lot of good information there.  It 
will helpful when I consider upgrades for my Bleriot!
Steve

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[RBW] Re: What fenders will best fit this frame?

[Patrick Moore]

One other complication. I see various Wald and other fenders made in the
so-called 26 X 45 or so sizes, but all of these have excessively short
front fenders. I suppose I could buy 2 rears and adapt ...

http://www.cambriabike.com/89-Lightweight-Crescent-Full-Coverage-Fenders-Chrome-26X1251375in.asp?utm_source=google_medium=cse_term=100094382=CKuBkJ2b1MgCFQiraQodhk0Pgw

On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 12:36 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:

> I sent this mss to Cody who makes custom wood fenders, asking for his
> judgment whether flat or curved wood would fit best. But I'd like others'
> opinions about off the shelf possibilities.
>
> A narrow fender -- about 40 mm wide overall -- but with a shallow profile
> would fit best, but this would have to be made for a tire with a diameter
> just shy of 25". No one makes such a beast, as far as I know.
>
> I've mounted 35 and 40 mm PB and SKS 700 c fenders which have a nice,
> shallow profile, but there is inevitably deformation near the brake bridge
> and crown as the fender is forced to follow a tighter curve than its radius
> is meant for.
>
> the 40 mm 650B Berthoud fits the curve better than any other off the shelf
> one, but the profile is too tight.
>
> All the 559 bsd fenders I've seen are 50 or 60 mm wide. I suppose I could
> cut out sections under crown and stays ...?
>
> It seems wood, custom, is the best option, but do y'all have better ideas?
>
>
> 
> From original email:
>
> Attachment would be at threaded bosses under crown and bridge.
>
> Gap under front brake caliper is about 11 mm.
>
> Gap under rear brake caliper is about 8 mm.
>
> Rear fender would end just short of rearmost portion of tire; in other
> words, it would be short so that I can shove the bike into a car without
> putting pressure on the rear fender. I measure 34" from chainstay bridge to
> the position on the tire where I'd like fender to end; note that this
> measurement is with tape lying on the tire itself; if the fender is ~1cm
> above, perhaps that would add additional length?
>
> Front would be long enough to bolt to the light mount/rack support arch.
> Distance from center of fork crown to 1" beyond arch is 11.5"; again, this
> is measured with tape lying on the tire.
>
> Overall length from arch to where I'd like it above ground is 32" --
> again, measured with tape lying on tire.
>
> What do you recommend for the best fit, flat or curved. Which is less
> likely to warp? I'm more interested in fit and durability than fancy finish
> or pattern.
>
>



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[RBW] Brooks

[David Banzer]

Jason,
I have a new black B17. Contact me off list if you're interested. 
Bummer about the stolen seat - I had one stolen in Chicago once, now use 
security bolts on everything. 
David
Chicago 

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[RBW] Re: Keven

[hsmitham]

I mean where do you begin? If you look up the definition of customer 
service there he is. He set the bar on knowledge, patience and sheer 
kindness. Even though he couldn't talk me out of a custom paint on my 
Hilsen, he surely talked me off a cliff a few times with his common sense 
approach. When the wife and I traveled to Riv Hq in 2012 he put us at ease. 
 When I heard Keven was leaving I had two competing emotions, complete and 
utter sadness and joy that he would be closer to his family. I know that 
whatever he touches in the next chapter of work will be golden because 
that's the sort of guy he is. For me Rivendell will never be the same and 
that shine above Riv Hq will be just a tad dimmer. All the best to you 
Keven.

Tail Winds,

~Hugh

On Monday, October 19, 2015 at 3:17:16 PM UTC-7, Zack wrote:
>
> Just read the newsletter, I see that Keven is moving on to different 
> pastures, just wanted to take a moment to publicly acknowledge that he is 
> one of the nicest people I have ever come across in my life, and played a 
> huge part in my uber-positive Riv experience, and I'll miss calling him to 
> ask about things like "why won't these cranks fit this bike?" and other 
> marginalia that most people are smart enough to figure out on their own.
>
> I'll send him a note personally, but thought it might be nice to have a 
> little public thing here to recognize his part in the great Riv world.  
>
> Go Kev Go!  
>

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[RBW] Re: What fenders will best fit this frame?

[Bill Lindsay]

I've never seen a Rivendell with a threaded fender boss under the fork 
crown.  Was this your original custom spec?  Or was this part of your 
subsequent mods, getting a threaded fender boss installed under the fork 
crown?  

In my opinion, your clearances are far too tight for anything wood.  Wood 
fenders are kind of thick.  

Bill 
who-just-had-Ed-Litton-install-threaded-fender-bosses-under-the-fork-crown-on-two-forks
 
Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Wednesday, October 21, 2015 at 11:37:34 AM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> I sent this mss to Cody who makes custom wood fenders, asking for his 
> judgment whether flat or curved wood would fit best. But I'd like others' 
> opinions about off the shelf possibilities.
>
> A narrow fender -- about 40 mm wide overall -- but with a shallow profile 
> would fit best, but this would have to be made for a tire with a diameter 
> just shy of 25". No one makes such a beast, as far as I know.
>
> I've mounted 35 and 40 mm PB and SKS 700 c fenders which have a nice, 
> shallow profile, but there is inevitably deformation near the brake bridge 
> and crown as the fender is forced to follow a tighter curve than its radius 
> is meant for.
>
> the 40 mm 650B Berthoud fits the curve better than any other off the shelf 
> one, but the profile is too tight.
>
> All the 559 bsd fenders I've seen are 50 or 60 mm wide. I suppose I could 
> cut out sections under crown and stays ...?
>
> It seems wood, custom, is the best option, but do y'all have better ideas?
>
>
> 
> From original email:
>
> Attachment would be at threaded bosses under crown and bridge.
>
> Gap under front brake caliper is about 11 mm. 
>
> Gap under rear brake caliper is about 8 mm.
>
> Rear fender would end just short of rearmost portion of tire; in other 
> words, it would be short so that I can shove the bike into a car without 
> putting pressure on the rear fender. I measure 34" from chainstay bridge to 
> the position on the tire where I'd like fender to end; note that this 
> measurement is with tape lying on the tire itself; if the fender is ~1cm 
> above, perhaps that would add additional length?
>
> Front would be long enough to bolt to the light mount/rack support arch. 
> Distance from center of fork crown to 1" beyond arch is 11.5"; again, this 
> is measured with tape lying on the tire.
>
> Overall length from arch to where I'd like it above ground is 32" -- 
> again, measured with tape lying on tire.
>
> What do you recommend for the best fit, flat or curved. Which is less 
> likely to warp? I'm more interested in fit and durability than fancy finish 
> or pattern.
>  
>

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[RBW] Re: What fenders will best fit this frame?

[Bill Lindsay]

...or, what Jeff did.  That could work, too.  
 

>
> In my opinion, your clearances are far too tight for anything wood.  Wood 
> fenders are kind of thick.  
>
>
>>  
>>
>

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[RBW] Big in Hong Kong...

[Zach Duval]

https://youtu.be/_Siu25bhdSM

Riv content: prominent Riv product endorsements, I'd say. Anyone know 
Chinese?

(spotted courtesy of The Radavist)

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[RBW] Re: Big in Hong Kong...

[Lungimsam]

That is Cantonese language. My wife will understand. I'll ask her to listen 
to it tonight. 

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[RBW] Cross/knobby 650B tires

[David]

Wondering if the group has an opinion or preference on a 650B knobby tire 
under 42mm and other than the Soma Cazadero.  Thanks for your time.  

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[RBW] WTB: low rider rack

[Coconutbill]

Hello folks

I am hoping to buy a used and affordable rack for mounting my panniers up 
front on my standard unicrown fork. 
This would have to be a super stiff rack, something like the Tubus Tara, as 
I have heavy waxed canvas panniers. 
I'd be totally happy / willing to trade a Like new Paul Racer (recessed / 
silver / polished), or to pay cash, or to trade other parts, if I have what 
you need.

best,
Evan

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[RBW] Re: Brooks

[Lungimsam]

bicyclebolts.com has security bolts for both the seatpost and seatpost 
clamp. http://bicyclebolts.com/
They will fit Rivendell seat lugs to secure the seatpost.
The seat clamp bolts may or may not fit your style of seat clamp to secure 
the saddle onto the clamp.

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[RBW] Re: Cross/knobby 650B tires

[Bill Lindsay]

I assume you say Under 42mm because you've already ruled out the Rock and 
Road?  I don't know of a narrower 650B knobby.  

On Wednesday, October 21, 2015 at 2:53:42 PM UTC-7, David wrote:
>
> Wondering if the group has an opinion or preference on a 650B knobby tire 
> under 42mm and other than the Soma Cazadero.  Thanks for your time.  
>

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[RBW] Re: Cross/knobby 650B tires

[David]

Yes, ruling out the R for now.  Thanks.

On Wednesday, October 21, 2015 at 2:59:06 PM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> I assume you say Under 42mm because you've already ruled out the Rock and 
> Road?  I don't know of a narrower 650B knobby.  
>
> On Wednesday, October 21, 2015 at 2:53:42 PM UTC-7, David wrote:
>>
>> Wondering if the group has an opinion or preference on a 650B knobby tire 
>> under 42mm and other than the Soma Cazadero.  Thanks for your time.  
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Cross/knobby 650B tires

[Tim Gavin]

Count me as interested. My Riv fits a 650x38, and I'd love a supple tire with 
file or light knobby tread.

I'm really enjoying the 700x38 Bontrager CX0 tires on my new plastic bike.

Tim

> On Oct 21, 2015, at 4:59 PM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
> 
> I assume you say Under 42mm because you've already ruled out the Rock and 
> Road?  I don't know of a narrower 650B knobby.  
> 
>> On Wednesday, October 21, 2015 at 2:53:42 PM UTC-7, David wrote:
>> Wondering if the group has an opinion or preference on a 650B knobby tire 
>> under 42mm and other than the Soma Cazadero.  Thanks for your time.  
> 
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[RBW] Re: What fenders will best fit this frame?

[Patrick Moore]

Thanks for the comments; I'd like to hear others.

I have a threaded boss under the crown on the bike in question, the '03
custom.

I'd rather not use separated fenders if I can avoid doing so.

Flat fenders will work well enough; I get my feet wet with Honjos, and I've
tried flat fenders on the Dahon.

Cody is sending a section of 40 mm curved fender so that I can test it;
we'll see.

If I could flare 35 mm 700C fenders to fit a 25" wheel curve, I'd be
delighted. But how does one do this? My thumbs don't work, and using levers
I dented the fenders I tried this on. Instructions?


On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 12:36 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:

> I sent this mss to Cody who makes custom wood fenders, asking for his
> judgment whether flat or curved wood would fit best. But I'd like others'
> opinions about off the shelf possibilities.
>
> A narrow fender -- about 40 mm wide overall -- but with a shallow profile
> would fit best, but this would have to be made for a tire with a diameter
> just shy of 25". No one makes such a beast, as far as I know.
>
> I've mounted 35 and 40 mm PB and SKS 700 c fenders which have a nice,
> shallow profile, but there is inevitably deformation near the brake bridge
> and crown as the fender is forced to follow a tighter curve than its radius
> is meant for.
>
> the 40 mm 650B Berthoud fits the curve better than any other off the shelf
> one, but the profile is too tight.
>
> All the 559 bsd fenders I've seen are 50 or 60 mm wide. I suppose I could
> cut out sections under crown and stays ...?
>
> It seems wood, custom, is the best option, but do y'all have better ideas?
>
>
> 
> From original email:
>
> Attachment would be at threaded bosses under crown and bridge.
>
> Gap under front brake caliper is about 11 mm.
>
> Gap under rear brake caliper is about 8 mm.
>
> Rear fender would end just short of rearmost portion of tire; in other
> words, it would be short so that I can shove the bike into a car without
> putting pressure on the rear fender. I measure 34" from chainstay bridge to
> the position on the tire where I'd like fender to end; note that this
> measurement is with tape lying on the tire itself; if the fender is ~1cm
> above, perhaps that would add additional length?
>
> Front would be long enough to bolt to the light mount/rack support arch.
> Distance from center of fork crown to 1" beyond arch is 11.5"; again, this
> is measured with tape lying on the tire.
>
> Overall length from arch to where I'd like it above ground is 32" --
> again, measured with tape lying on tire.
>
> What do you recommend for the best fit, flat or curved. Which is less
> likely to warp? I'm more interested in fit and durability than fancy finish
> or pattern.
>
>



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[RBW] Re: Cross/knobby 650B tires

[Zach Duval]

Shortly after building up my Hillborne, I picked up the Surly Knard (41mm) 
for a great deal, and it's been pretty good for me. Not as quick on 
pavement as I'd like, but it could be worse.

On Wednesday, October 21, 2015 at 3:53:42 PM UTC-6, David wrote:
>
> Wondering if the group has an opinion or preference on a 650B knobby tire 
> under 42mm and other than the Soma Cazadero.  Thanks for your time.  
>

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[RBW] Marks Rack with no holes

[Ron Mc]

A BOBish bike, not a Rivendell, but Riv content is the Mark's Rack.  
I was facing this, how to attach a front mini-rack to a bike built on a 
cross frame with no holes of any kind - my saddle bag is full of roadside 
stuff and I need a place to stuff layers this winter.  



I made it work with Tubus LM-1 clamps to the top of the fork, attaching 
stays to the back rod-end bolts (only Mark's rack is set up this way); the 
Paul canti rack mounts, and  L-brackets from McMaster for the front stays.  


 


Came out great - rock solid.  


 


I have a black trunk bag on order from Ely at Ruthworks, due at the end of 
the month.  

Have another green Sackville small trunk I move on and off another bike, 
but the color does not work.  

But I did determine the front bag will crop the light right in front of the 
bike, so I'm going to move a light mount to the front stay on the rack

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rbw-owners-bunch/S4O98dttMNs  

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[RBW] Re: Keven

[RoadieRyan]

I will just plus 1 to the outpouring for Keven.  I found myself in the bay 
area on business in 2010 and was able to swing a trip to Riv, not only did 
I get to ride both a Sam and San Marcos and talk bikes with Grant, Keven 
made feel very welcome by answering my questions and plying me with 
espresso and dark chocolate, probably rates as my favorite visit to any 
store ever.  Thanks Keven and best of luck in your new ventures.

Ryan

On Monday, October 19, 2015 at 3:17:16 PM UTC-7, Zack wrote:
>
> Just read the newsletter, I see that Keven is moving on to different 
> pastures, just wanted to take a moment to publicly acknowledge that he is 
> one of the nicest people I have ever come across in my life, and played a 
> huge part in my uber-positive Riv experience, and I'll miss calling him to 
> ask about things like "why won't these cranks fit this bike?" and other 
> marginalia that most people are smart enough to figure out on their own.
>
> I'll send him a note personally, but thought it might be nice to have a 
> little public thing here to recognize his part in the great Riv world.  
>
> Go Kev Go!  
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Re: [RBW] Marks Rack with no holes

[Tim Gavin]

Nicely done, and should be secure.  Those Tubus fork clamps are ugly, but
great.

I'm about to put a Mark's rack on my Riv Road with Paul Racers; I will use
the bridge to the brake bolt and then 42 cm stays down to the fender eyelet.

On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 5:22 PM, Ron Mc  wrote:

> A BOBish bike, not a Rivendell, but Riv content is the Mark's Rack.
> I was facing this, how to attach a front mini-rack to a bike built on a
> cross frame with no holes of any kind - my saddle bag is full of roadside
> stuff and I need a place to stuff layers this winter.
>
>
> 
>
> I made it work with Tubus LM-1 clamps to the top of the fork, attaching
> stays to the back rod-end bolts (only Mark's rack is set up this way); the
> Paul canti rack mounts, and  L-brackets from McMaster for the front stays.
>
>
> 
> 
>
> Came out great - rock solid.
>
>
> 
> 
>
> I have a black trunk bag on order from Ely at Ruthworks, due at the end of
> the month.
>
> Have another green Sackville small trunk I move on and off another bike,
> but the color does not work.
>
> But I did determine the front bag will crop the light right in front of
> the bike, so I'm going to move a light mount to the front stay on the rack
>
> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rbw-owners-bunch/S4O98dttMNs
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Re: [RBW] Marks Rack with no holes

[Ron Mc]

Thanks.  Of course this bike doesn't have a brake bolt or hole on the fork 
crown.  I thought the Tubus clamps looked better than P-clamps, especially 
on top of the fork as I used them.  Where I don't like them is lower on the 
mid of the fork, and with the tapped sockets wide on the outside, they bend 
the stays outward.  


 I 
rode it this way for a few weeks until I got my hardware together for the 
canti mounts.  




 I 
used the long stays to dropout eyelets with an M-18 on another bike several 
years and it came out great.  




On Wednesday, October 21, 2015 at 8:58:31 PM UTC-5, Tim Gavin wrote:
>
> Nicely done, and should be secure.  Those Tubus fork clamps are ugly, but 
> great.
>
> I'm about to put a Mark's rack on my Riv Road with Paul Racers; I will use 
> the bridge to the brake bolt and then 42 cm stays down to the fender eyelet.
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Cross/knobby 650B tires

[hsmitham]

David,

Are you already running the Cazadero's? If yes what's your opinion of them and 
if your not running them, what would you have against them? Inquiring minds and 
such.

~Hugn



n Wednesday, October 21, 2015 at 2:53:42 PM UTC-7, David wrote:
> Wondering if the group has an opinion or preference on a 650B knobby tire 
> under 42mm and other than the Soma Cazadero.  Thanks for your time.  

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[RBW] Re: Lifeline 100 Century Ride with a twist Report

[Lungimsam]

WETH (Erl?),

Thanks. It is a fun ride and quite picturesque in Annapolis. A Riv meetup 
on the B trail and a lunch trip to Annapolis would be cool. They have a 
neat market place there, though I didn't get too detailed a look. Looks 
like a lot to choose from.

It is a very nice century.

Other MD centuries:
The Seagull Century(October), and Six Pillars Century (May) are two other 
nice Maryland Centuries. Dead flat. Lots of fun with a party-ish atmosphere 
at the start of the Seagull.

The Indian Head 100, in Southern, MD, is also nice and in the 3,000-ish 
foot range, so that's another easy-ish century, similar to the Lifeline, 
but more country roads. Lifeline is more a mix of downtown Annapolis and 
suburban and country riding, and the 30 miles of beautiful paved MUP, with 
an Emu sighting near the airport if you look carefully and it comes out to 
the fence line to watch you ride by.

I haven't done the Civil War Century yet. I hear the climbing is brutal. 
But the Metric route stays in the valleys and you just look at the 
mountains. The Metric sounds like fun.

If you are doing any of them next year let me know.

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[RBW] Re: Racks for the Clem

[Wayne Naha]

Just when I thought that having a mid-to-high trail fork would rule out any 
substantive front loads, now the Clem's long front-center is ruling them 
back in!  What to make of it all?  I do like the look and functionality of 
the front porteur type rack, but had despaired of mounting one on the Clem 
due to the front fork having too high trail.  It's really confusing. 
 Probably 
And yes, price is an important consideration.  I fully get that paying for 
quality stings but once, and that shoddy items are a constant pain. 
 Obviously, the item must preform it's function.  But if VO's Dajia 
Cycleworks rack can do the job of the Nitto rack costing twice as much, 
then the Dajia rack wins my dollars.  The real question is, can the Dajia 
actually do the same job as the Nitto.
While it does seem to be a good deal, the Soma rack linked to does not seem 
to have the updated feature of added struts that the porteur rack being 
sold on the Soma site does.  But even at full price, it's a reasonable 
choice.

On Wednesday, October 21, 2015 at 1:42:53 PM UTC-4, Garth wrote:
>
>   
>   As an observer of the bike , with a long front-center it seems to scream 
> "front rack" .  It would help out the weight balance overall front-rear. A 
> porteur would be great !  I'd chose the Soma Deluxe SS over the VO as the 
> Soma has the added fork struts for stabilization. 
>
>  I've seen it w/o fence for as little as $132 .  
> http://www.outsideoutfitters.com/p-23468-soma-porteur-front-cargo-rack.aspx?variantID=75661=Cj0KEQjw75yxBRD78uqEnuG-5vcBEiQAQbaxSPCjvPccINhO7rX30zjW6B7a1uKjg5TU9jbSTtPt85kaAs7h8P8HAQ
>
> As far as "the price"  really ?  These are one-time and long-time 
> purchases ,* if you get what you want first.  *If you don't get what you 
> want, you end up dissatisfied and end up spending more later on something 
> else . * Get what you really want the first time *:) 
>
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[RBW] Re: Racks for the Clem

[Wayne Naha]

Just when I thought that having a mid-to-high trail fork would rule out any 
substantive front loads, now the Clem's long front-center is ruling them 
back in!  What to make of it all?  I do like the look and functionality of 
the front porteur type rack, but had despaired of mounting one on the Clem 
due to the front fork having too much trail.  It's really confusing. 
 Probably I'm over thinking it.  I bet a porteur rack would work just fine.
And yes, price is an important consideration.  I fully get that paying for 
quality stings but once, and that shoddy items are a constant pain. 
 Obviously, the item must preform it's function.  But if VO's Dajia 
Cycleworks rack can do the job of the Nitto rack costing twice as much, 
then the Dajia rack wins my dollars.  The real question is, can the Dajia 
actually do the same job as the Nitto.
While it does seem to be a good deal, the Soma rack linked to does not seem 
to have the updated feature of added struts that the porteur rack being 
sold on the Soma site does.  But even at full price, it's a reasonable 
choice.

On Wednesday, October 21, 2015 at 1:42:53 PM UTC-4, Garth wrote:
>
>   
>   As an observer of the bike , with a long front-center it seems to scream 
> "front rack" .  It would help out the weight balance overall front-rear. A 
> porteur would be great !  I'd chose the Soma Deluxe SS over the VO as the 
> Soma has the added fork struts for stabilization. 
>
>  I've seen it w/o fence for as little as $132 .  
> http://www.outsideoutfitters.com/p-23468-soma-porteur-front-cargo-rack.aspx?variantID=75661=Cj0KEQjw75yxBRD78uqEnuG-5vcBEiQAQbaxSPCjvPccINhO7rX30zjW6B7a1uKjg5TU9jbSTtPt85kaAs7h8P8HAQ
>
> As far as "the price"  really ?  These are one-time and long-time 
> purchases ,* if you get what you want first.  *If you don't get what you 
> want, you end up dissatisfied and end up spending more later on something 
> else . * Get what you really want the first time *:) 
>
>

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[RBW] Re: FT/S: Unique 31.8mm Albatross bar

[Jeremy Till]

Bars are sold.  

On Sunday, September 20, 2015 at 10:56:51 AM UTC-7, Jeremy Till wrote:
>
> Hey Folks-
>
> Interesting item up for trade or sale: a Nitto Albatross bar in 
> heat-treated aluminum with a 31.8mm bar clamp diameter, new in package, 
> never mounted.  This is apparently a new item from Nitto, it appeared in 
> the Merry Sales (Nitto importer) catalog this past spring.  I ordered it 
> because of some slightly confusing catalog copy that gave me the impression 
> that it was also ~2cm wider than the standard Albatross, which would have 
> really been a dream bar for me, but when it arrived I discovered that it 
> was the same width as the current standard Albatross (55cm) and thus have 
> never mounted it up.  Pictures here: 
>
> https://flic.kr/s/aHskkM1MUn
>
> It is a beautifully made and finished bar.  The bend and bulge out to the 
> oversize clamp area is exceedingly smooth, and it seems to be polished to a 
> slightly more mirror finish than the standard satin-y Nitto aluminum 
> finish.  There is a Nitto crest in the center of the bar clamp area, but it 
> is inverted in the upright position--apparently Nitto intends these to be 
> mounted with drop, a la Mustache bar--but the crest will most likely be 
> covered by the stem clamp area anyways.  While the overall width is the 
> same as the standard bar, the bend is subtly different, probably because 
> the oversize bar is made on a different bending jig than the standard bars. 
>  I've posted a comparison picture with a standard CrMo albatross to show 
> the difference: the oversize bar is slightly more angled in the grip area.  
>
> This would be a great bar for an upright conversion on any bike that uses 
> a 31.8mm threadless stem.  If you want to use it on a bike that takes a 
> quill stem, Merry Sales also started offering Nitto tig-welded 31.8mm quill 
> stems around the same time.  
>
> Things I would trade it for: 
> -a standard 25.4mm HT aluminum Albatross in very good or better condition, 
> or a partial trade for a CrMo Albatross bar
> -a Brooks B72 or B67 saddle in similar condition
> -Partial trade for a 175mm Campagnolo Super Record Strada left crank arm
> -Cinelli mod 66 Giro D'Italia bars in 42mm or greater width and very good 
> condition.  
>
> I would also sell it for $90 shipped.  I am in Sacramento, CA and would 
> meet any SF Bay Area locals for pickup/exchange.  
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Marks Rack with no holes

[Ron Mc]

ps, with the long stays to the dropout eyelet, use these spacers to keep 
the stays off the fork with slightly longer M5s - they work great.  
http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/rh1-20232.htm  


Note you have to buy two - they're sold as singles rather than pairs.  


I like showing off my light mount

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[RBW] Re: Best rear support rack for med sadlesack?

[Dave Johnston]

I'd recommend skipping the mini rack and getting a light full size rack. I 
am using a Tubus Vega. Its light at 500g and its rated for a 55 lb 
capacity. The Nitto Mini racks are just as heavy and expensive yet rated at 
less than 10lbs. A full size rack is also way more versatile and I think 
they look better when not supporting anything. The Vega does not have a 
tombstone which may be a plus for saddlesack support.

-Dave




-Dave



On Tuesday, October 13, 2015 at 6:12:16 PM UTC-4, Daniel Jackson wrote:
>
> This is for use on a Hunq. 
>
> Was thinking about Mark's but may be too short?
> Anybody have any experience with this rack 
> ? Would seat stay bridge 
> accommodate this?
>
> Any other recommendations?
>
> Thanks much,
> D.
>

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[RBW] Re: Visiting the E. Bay & NM

[Surlyprof]

Michael,

This may be late notice but I'm thinking of playing hookey from my work 
duties for a Friday ride.  If you are still seeking a ride in the bay area, 
I was thinking about the Paradise Loop.  Somewhere in the Berkeley hills 
could be an alternative if your plan was to keep to the East Bay.  

If you or anyone else is up for a Friday morning ride you can PM me to let 
me know.

John

On Sunday, October 18, 2015 at 2:58:13 PM UTC-7, Michael Hechmer wrote:
>
> On Wed. 10/21, well before dawn,  I will head to El Cerrito Ca. to visit 
> my son & granddaughter.  On 11/6 I fly to Albuquerque for a conference at 
> the Hyatt Regency in Bernalillo.  I am bringing my S coupled Trek 
> 620/650B with me.  I will be spending most of my time in Ca. with my 
> granddaughter, Xingyue, but would welcome the opportunity to ride or just 
> visit with people on this list whom I know only electronically.
>
> In NM, I think the conference ends on Sunday 10/8  at 2:00 and my flight 
> leaves at 11:59 PM.  I'm still not sure how I am going to get from 
> Bernalillo to Albuquerque.  I could bring my bike to NM if there was 
> something worth the time putting it together and repacking it.  If not, I 
> would probably ship it home.  Even if there is not a ride in the offing, an 
> afternoon visit & dinner could be enjoyable.
>
> Michael
> It's snowing in Westford, Vt, but still OK foiage.
>

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[RBW] Re: Big in Hong Kong...

[Lungimsam]

OK, my native Cantonese wife who is native to HK and Canton, China 
listened. She said some of the words are hard to translate into English. 
The audio speaker states things a little differently from the text. I typed 
while my wife talked, and instead of changing retranslating her English to 
sound like Native English, I just mostly typed straight out how she said 
it. But the gist of it is:

*Audio from the video says:*
"He works 6 months and then goes out to play 6 months.
He has fun on 78$HK a day ($10US)  because he has nothing to do and no car 
and no money.
He's comes from Connecticut, USA. He's 35. His name is Benedict.
But he owns more than you and me.
He goes to play and travel - it is the real him.
He hasn't lived in one place for more than 1/2 a year since he graduated.
He works half a year and then goes to travel as a tour guide and fishing 
for the next half year.
He rides bike everywhere.
Only eats simple food and yogurt or goes out to take those wild food and 
berries.
If he's at the ocean he will eat some crabs and seaweed.
Every day only spends equivalent of 78$ Hong Kong money. ($10 US dollars).
All his wealth can be put in a small bag and then buries under the ground 
so no one steals it.
He never counts what he has.
He has a bank account for selling bike parts online.
He has 15-20 bikes.
Simple life. He's on the magazine cover and a lot of people envy him.
He says that people in modern society think that having lots of money means 
you are successful.
But he doesn't agree. He says that working is against nature and is 
stressful and he doesn't like to work. He doesn't want to use the peak of 
his life to work. 
He doesn't want to use his time doing something meaningless.
Now he is working part time as is making work, work for him(?).".

*The print under the video says:*
"Working people every day work for two meals. Even you don't like work you 
still have to do it.
Some Americans like to give up the working life and spend half year working 
and the rest of the time traveling. Simple but fun life.
35 years old man Benedict is from Connecticut, River Valley, USA.
He says he doesn't like work and it is not natural. So he decided to create 
his own life that belongs to himself. He said that he only likes to ride 
bike and camping. He said that he would like to do something meaningful but 
doesn't want to waste the peak of his life doing something meaningless.
Recently he was on the cover of a magazine. His Instagram account "Ultra 
Romance" has become popular. He said he graduated at 20 years old and 
hasn't stayed in the same place more than half a year, since.
1/2 year working as a travel guide or fisherman, the rest of the time 
travels whole country.
Sometimes traveling alone, sometimes with company.
Last year he went adventuring and had only 14 days sleeping inside the 
room. The rest of the time he stays outside.
He even with friend goes to New Zealand.
While he travels he only spends $78$HK/day. (10$ US Dollars).
He never worries about how much he has. He never counts how much he has. 
That will make him nervous. He will put it in a small pocket and bury it in 
the ground.".


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[RBW] Re: Visiting the E. Bay & NM

[Surlyprof]

http://www.7x7.com/fitness-outdoors/ultimate-sunday-ride-paradise-loop

On Wednesday, October 21, 2015 at 8:32:10 PM UTC-7, Surlyprof wrote:
>
> Michael,
>
> This may be late notice but I'm thinking of playing hookey from my work 
> duties for a Friday ride.  If you are still seeking a ride in the bay area, 
> I was thinking about the Paradise Loop.  Somewhere in the Berkeley hills 
> could be an alternative if your plan was to keep to the East Bay.  
>
> If you or anyone else is up for a Friday morning ride you can PM me to let 
> me know.
>
> John
>
> On Sunday, October 18, 2015 at 2:58:13 PM UTC-7, Michael Hechmer wrote:
>>
>> On Wed. 10/21, well before dawn,  I will head to El Cerrito Ca. to visit 
>> my son & granddaughter.  On 11/6 I fly to Albuquerque for a conference at 
>> the Hyatt Regency in Bernalillo.  I am bringing my S coupled Trek 
>> 620/650B with me.  I will be spending most of my time in Ca. with my 
>> granddaughter, Xingyue, but would welcome the opportunity to ride or just 
>> visit with people on this list whom I know only electronically.
>>
>> In NM, I think the conference ends on Sunday 10/8  at 2:00 and my flight 
>> leaves at 11:59 PM.  I'm still not sure how I am going to get from 
>> Bernalillo to Albuquerque.  I could bring my bike to NM if there was 
>> something worth the time putting it together and repacking it.  If not, I 
>> would probably ship it home.  Even if there is not a ride in the offing, an 
>> afternoon visit & dinner could be enjoyable.
>>
>> Michael
>> It's snowing in Westford, Vt, but still OK foiage.
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Best rear support rack for med sadlesack?

[Surlyprof]

+1 to the Tubus Vega... or the even lighter Fly.  I used to have a Fly on 
my old Bianchi (their smallest rack).  It looked great, added negligible 
weight, was very stable and, held a surprising amount of weight (more than 
I should have been putting on those 23mm tires!).  If I had bought the 
stainless steel instead of the black, I would have had a tough time 
deciding which one to mount on my Hillborne. 
 http://www.tubus.com/product.php?xn=28

John

On Wednesday, October 21, 2015 at 8:16:23 PM UTC-7, Dave Johnston wrote:
>
> I'd recommend skipping the mini rack and getting a light full size rack. I 
> am using a Tubus Vega. Its light at 500g and its rated for a 55 lb 
> capacity. The Nitto Mini racks are just as heavy and expensive yet rated at 
> less than 10lbs. A full size rack is also way more versatile and I think 
> they look better when not supporting anything. The Vega does not have a 
> tombstone which may be a plus for saddlesack support.
>
> -Dave
>
>
>
> 
>
> -Dave
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, October 13, 2015 at 6:12:16 PM UTC-4, Daniel Jackson wrote:
>>
>> This is for use on a Hunq. 
>>
>> Was thinking about Mark's but may be too short?
>> Anybody have any experience with this rack 
>> ? Would seat stay bridge 
>> accommodate this?
>>
>> Any other recommendations?
>>
>> Thanks much,
>> D.
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Keven

[Surlyprof]

A couple of years ago, I had only been to Riv once and just bought a couple 
of small items.  Over half a year later, I went back a second time and he 
remembered my name.  Made a huge impression.  He's the reason I ride a 
Hillborne and couldn't be happier with that decision.  He never forced 
advice on you but would provide you with all the advice and customer 
support you desired.  One of the nicest and best people I've ever dealt 
with in any sort of store (if you'd call Riv a store).

I wish him and his family all the best on his next venture.

John

On Monday, October 19, 2015 at 3:17:16 PM UTC-7, Zack wrote:
>
> Just read the newsletter, I see that Keven is moving on to different 
> pastures, just wanted to take a moment to publicly acknowledge that he is 
> one of the nicest people I have ever come across in my life, and played a 
> huge part in my uber-positive Riv experience, and I'll miss calling him to 
> ask about things like "why won't these cranks fit this bike?" and other 
> marginalia that most people are smart enough to figure out on their own.
>
> I'll send him a note personally, but thought it might be nice to have a 
> little public thing here to recognize his part in the great Riv world.  
>
> Go Kev Go!  
>

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[RBW] Re: Clementine tire size?

[jandrews_nyc]

I think that the Larger size Clementine on the blug post from a couple of 
weeks ago has a Kenda "kwick nine" which is 29x2.0.

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[RBW] Lifeline 100 Century Ride with a twist Report

[islaysteve]

Thanks for the great write up, Michael!  Sounds like a good ride.  What was 
your rack/baggage setup on the Bleriot, how did it work out, and how did you 
like the Loup Loups?  Cheers, Steve

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[RBW] Clementine tire size?

[David Banzer]

Depends on size: S/26"/559mm, M/650b, L/700c. 
David
Chicago 

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[RBW] Re: Clementine tire size?

['Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch]

The smallest bike, as shown in a recent Blog post and which I assume is a 
production bike, has a Kenda Kranium which only comes in a 2.10" size 
(listed as 54-556).  The larger Clems must have a different tire because 
the only other Kranium size is 20".



On Tuesday, October 20, 2015 at 10:23:26 PM UTC-5, Reid wrote:
>
> OK, I see that the max tire size on the chart is 60. Does anyone know what 
> size the bikes will have as delivered?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Reid
>

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[RBW] Re: Lifeline 100 Century Ride with a twist Report

[WETH]

I enjoyed reading your description and congratulations on the achievement. 
 I will try to do this ride next year.

On Wednesday, October 21, 2015 at 12:47:15 AM UTC-4, Lungimsam wrote:
>
> *The weather:*
> Low 30’s-high 40’s(?), according to the Weather Channel. Sunny, cloudy for 
> long periods at times, a sprinkle of rain, twice, later on in the ride.
> *The clothes:*
> I wore a wool cycling cap with ear flaps, helmet, Head long finger gloves, 
> J waterproof breathable rain jacket and pants, two lightweight and two 
> midweight wool shirts, midweight wool ski socks, wool knee warmers, Nike 
> sneakers, ¾ wool tights. Took off the rain pants and jacket after the first 
> rest stop and just rode with the wool layers the rest of the ride and was 
> plenty warm enough. I added another long sleeve lightweight wool shirt 
> around the 55 mile point and was warm for the rest of the ride. Yes, it 
> took that much to keep me comfy. I am not a hardy person and I do not enjoy 
> cold weather.
> *The Route:*
> A 3,869 feet of climbing century ride from Kinder Park in Anne Arundel 
> county, MD to end(?) of B Trail, across Severn River into old town 
> Annapolis, through Galesville, Davidsonville(?),and around Anne Arundel 
> County, back up to and around the 10 mile BWI Airport MUP trail loop, then 
> down the B Trail back to the start.
> None of the hills seemed hard, and there were only a handful, or less, of 
> steeper ones. The first 10 miles was on flat MUP, the last 20 on flattish 
> MUP. I got in my lowest gear for some of the hills just to spin up easy to 
> avoid over exertion, but it was no trouble and never breathed really hard 
> or went anaerobic or anything like that. An easily doable ride. Similar to 
> the Indian Head 100 ride back in September, and a step up from a flat 
> century if you are looking to tackle something with a little hilliness to 
> it.
> *The Ride:*
> My friend and I started out late, around 8am (supposed to start at 7). He 
> thought he heard someone say there were over 600 people registered, but we 
> weren’t sure how many total showed up. We started along the path from 
> Kinder Park, down the B trail to the end(?) and then through olde 
> Annapolis in the first part of the ride. We made it to the first rest stop 
> at ~22 miles with plenty of time. I removed the rain jacket and rain pants. 
> They were wet inside despite the pit zips, and vented jacket. I stayed 
> warm, though and wasn’t soaked or anything. Just damp. So, I rode in just 
> the wool layers for the rest of the ride (except for one lightweight wool 
> layer that I saved for later). I figured if I got colder I would put the 
> rain jacket and pants on as my last line of defense against the cold.
>
> We made the second rest stop in Galesville in time. See attached pic for 
> the picturesque waterways. My pal seemed to be getting tired and slowed 
> down a lot once the hilly areas started. He was still fast on the flats 
> though. The clothes worked well to keep me warm, but riding so slowly to 
> stay with my friend, I started to get cold, as I didn’t need to exert 
> myself so much and I seemed to be cooling down. I started to worry what 
> would happen if I couldn’t keep warm for the rest of the ride. The easy 
> pace may have been just what I needed, though, to help me finish the rest 
> of the ride later.
> When the sun was out I was plenty warm, but when the clouds covered the 
> sun for a while and I started getting colder. I was concerned because I 
> have never ridden this long an event in the 40'sF before. I’ve ridden 
> shorter rides down to ~28F before, but I was concerned about what to do if 
> I couldn’t keep warm for the whole 100 miles today. Sorry, I am not the 
> hardy winter weather type like some of you outdoorsy northerners and 
> midwesterners on the forum.
> My energy was good though, and I felt confident I could complete the ride 
> with or without the rest stops as I had enough food with me and could stop 
> somewhere for more drinks if needed. I’d just follow the cue sheet.
>
> We got to the 55 mile rest stop (water only stop) very late and it looked 
> like no one was there anymore. It appeared that they had closed up. A 
> little rain started. I started feeling a bit demoralized. We were about ½ 
> hour late to arrive, if I remember correctly. I put on my last layer of 
> lightweight wool shirt in the hopes I’d do better at keeping warm. It 
> worked and I was warm for the rest of the ride. So I now had on three 
> lightweight, and two midweight layers, wool ¾ tights and knee warmers.
>
> It started to feel like a solo ride, not an organized event, because we 
> hadn’t seen many riders in a long time, and wouldn’t see hardly any more 
> for the rest of the ride.
>
> Just before leaving the rest stop, a very tiny lady pulled up on her ~30 
> year old Shogun. She was cheerful and confident and it made me cheer up. I 
> have noticed how male riders on these organized rides seem to be 

[RBW] Re: Coffee outside.

[Cecily Walker]

I'm getting antsy. I want to ride NOW NOW NOW, but I know I need to let my 
muscles get stronger.  How are you fairing, Clayton? 

On Monday, October 12, 2015 at 8:28:02 AM UTC-7, Clayton wrote:
>
> Thanks for the update Cecily. It sounds like you are recovering quickly. 
> That gives me hopeWORK HARD! 
> Clayton
>
>

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