[RBW] PSA: 54cm Quickbeam on Los Angeles Craigslist

[Joe Bernard]

That won't last long. Great price in a currently warm town. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Chainstay protector

[shawn m.]

I love how smug and condescending this is. Makes me want to run out and buy 
a roll...

On Thursday, February 11, 2016 at 5:07:09 PM UTC-8, jeffrey kane wrote:
>
> Your chain stay protector is doing it's job if it protects the paint on 
> your stay -- and if it does that (and often) then it's going to be filthy 
> before long. All that pretty cloth tape & twine work ends up looking like 
> it's covered in black slime after a time and well, if that's your idea of 
> beausage then go for it ... Me, I'm with Will on this one. A roll of clear 
> Heli tape (like they sell for paddle board repair) is effective, clean 
> looking and easily replaced, And you can sneak in little pieces around the 
> front of the BB shell and cable housings where they may rub against your 
> head tube, etc ... the stuff is versatile and downright cheap in the long 
> view.
>
> On Thursday, February 11, 2016 at 5:05:59 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> When I did my Varsity rebuild circa 1971, one problem I had with the 
>> conversion was that, with a 39 or 40 t ring, 16 and 18 t cogs, and a heavy 
>> 1/8" wide chain, the chain would smack the newly hand-sprayed stay roughly 
>> over bumps. I had some vague idea of chrome, and (this being Nairobi, where 
>> bike parts were very scarce) I made my own chainstay protector from metal 
>> cut from a tin can, the interior silver more or less giving a chromed 
>> effect. I cut a more or oess 7" strip with tags fore and aft and on either 
>> side, punched holes in the tags, and used them to clamp the thing to the 
>> stay with small nuts and bolts.
>>
>> It looked (to my 16 year old eyes, anyway) pretty nice, matching the 
>> silver aluminum fenders.
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Rivs on the Great Divide Route?

[Anne Paulson]

I have an Atlantis. Actually, I have two Atlantises. But when it came
time to do the GDMBR last summer, I opted for a Surly Krampus with
29x3 tires, and I was thankful for my choice every single day. I loved
the upright handlebars, the wide tires and the disk brakes.

However, an Atlantis would be possible. I'd suggest using the widest
tires you could fit. And IMO upright handlebars are preferable for the
Divide.

In the Canadian section, when you leave Sparwood, you can head to
Fernie on the pavement, or you can head partway up the Crowsnest Pass
and then up the dirt through the Flathead and Wigwam Valleys. I've
done some of the Fernie section, and all of the Flathead-WIgwam
section. The Flathead-Wigwam section is extraordinary; it's one of the
best sections of the whole route..

On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 2:10 PM, Mark Reimer  wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I'm planning out a June bike tour to coincide with the adventure cycling
> associations 40th anniversary party in Missoula, Montana.
>
> I'm thinking of flying to Edmonton, riding or busing to Jasper, then riding
> the Icefields Parkway to Banff. Haven't heard of the Icefields Parkway? Do
> yourself a favour and just Google 'cycling the icefields parkway'. It's
> Canada's crown jewel for paved bike touring. Glaciers, mountains, wildlife
> and campgrounds everywhere.
>
> From Banff I want to hop on the Great Divide Mountainbike route and ride to
> Missoula. Has anyone done that section of it? I'm just wondering how a more
> traditional touring setup like my Atlantis would handle the route. I know
> most of the GDMBR is just gravel roads, but I've also read that the Canadian
> and Montana section is some of the rougher single track. How about it, any
> of you taken your Rivs on this trail?
>
>
> Also, anyone going to be in Missoula!?
>
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[RBW] what bolts?

[drew]

You could put a ball bearing in the Allen hole of the stem. I keep meaning to 
do this, but I futz with my set ups too often.

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[RBW] Re: what bolts?

[sameness]

I don't know if these 
 are any good in 
practice (been meaning to try them, alas), but they're made by Pitlock for 
exactly what you want to do. 

A bit more elegant than Super Glue and a ball bearing, with a price to 
match, but still cheaper than a replacement saddle or bars.

Jeff Hagedorn
Los Angeles, CA USA

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[RBW] Re: The order, now the wait....

[Lungimsam]

Atlantis bikes are so gorgeous! Congrats and please post pics.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Chainstay protector

[Joe Bernard]

I love how far this thing has gone. I had no idea everyone had a chainstay 
protector philosophy ;)

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[RBW] Re: Nice ride today, or: everyone needs a gofast road bike.

[Lungimsam]

Me:
Bleriot- My do everything bike with fenders, front rack, handlebar bag for 
commuting, errandonneuring, Randonneuring, recreational road riding, century 
riding, torestauranteuring.
Blue Sam -Same set up and uses.
And hoping to one day get a:
Boulder All Road - as a go faster, do everything bike with fenders, front rack, 
handlebar bag

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[RBW] Nice ride today, or: everyone needs a gofast road bike.

[Joe Bernard]

My no-name electric-pedal-assist folder is the shopper with folding baskets.
Bike Friday NWT and Riv CLEM are sorta tour-ish, but light and fast.
My only 700c skinny-ish tire go-fast is a KHS hybrid with a high power electric 
kit. It goes FAST ;)

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[RBW] Nice ride today, or: everyone needs a gofast road bike.

[Lungimsam]

My local LBS told me they had their floor demo Cannondale electric hybrid bike 
up to 40mph in their parking lot.

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[RBW] Re: Pondering fatherhood

[Jeffrey Marco]

It means get your riding in while you can!

On Wednesday, February 10, 2016 at 10:09:31 PM UTC-5, Jim Bronson wrote:
>
> Yep yep yep
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Re: [RBW] Re: Pondering fatherhood

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Even before a trailer, I found a front mount baby carrier to be a great 
option, starting at year 1. Eventually moved on to rear carrier, trailer, 
strider bike, Big Dummy, Burley Piccolo, and his own two wheels. He is six 
now. All the systems are good at various times and for various 
applications. Last Sunday we lashed his bike to the BD and headed to the 
non-traffic portion of our favorite loop, which includes a wonderful trail 
along the Hudson and the Fishkill Creek. Still use the Piccolo a lot, too-- 
will be taking the maiden voyage attached to the Clementine this weekend.




 

 




On Thursday, February 11, 2016 at 8:54:43 AM UTC-5, Doug Williams wrote:
>
> I means that your life is going to change in many ways, but for the 
> better. As for biking, start looking for  a trailer. I suggest a larger 
> (100 pound capacity) Burley trailer. The baby won't ride in it right away, 
> but you can the seat out and use it for cargo. You will be making many 
> emergency supply runs for diapers, etc.
>
> But relax, focus on your wife now...and enjoy! Everything will be good. My 
> kids are both "self propelled" now, they ride their bikes to school. But 
> that is a distant future for you. :-)
>
> Doug
>
> On Wednesday, February 10, 2016 at 11:35:23 PM UTC-8, Jim Bronson wrote:
>>
>> Wife gets induced on Friday.  What will it all mean?
>> On Feb 10, 2016 9:40 PM, "Deacon Patrick"  wrote:
>>
>>> Awesome!
>>>
>>> With abandon,
>>> Patrick
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, February 10, 2016 at 8:09:31 PM UTC-7, Jim Bronson wrote:

 Yep yep yep

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[RBW] Re: Thunder Burt Wisdom...

[Mark Reimer]

Wow now that is a good deal!! I may have to order some...

My 2.25 TBs are still running since the oregon outback. I've had one flat, 
after hitting a broken beer bottle on the trail. I've also started using 
the 2.1's just to get a bit more clearance when it's muddy. The 2.25s lock 
up pretty quick when you hit the peanut butter mud. 

On Wednesday, February 10, 2016 at 6:35:15 PM UTC-6, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Update on Thunder Burts:
>
> I've ridden the "light skin" TBs for about a week now and have been 
> surprised how much more supple they are than even the "snake skin". THat's 
> testing them out on the gnarly frozen slush on a walking trail, so it's 
> rougher than most and they are noticeably smoother than the snake skin 
> casing. No flats for a year on the snake skin for me last year, so I'll see 
> what they do this year. But ordering from Germany is well worth it. For six 
> tires we paid $36.33 a tire including shipping from 
> http://www.bike-discount.de.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick 
>

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[RBW] Re: Pondering fatherhood

[Toby Whitfield]

Good luck!

My wife and I have a 2 year old and a 2 month old. Definitely busy, and 
hard, but worthwhile. Less time for riding, tinkering with bikes, less 
spending on bike bits etc...  Especially in the newborn infant stage. 
Almost all of my riding right now is commuting, and it isn't a very long 
commute. On the other hand, my daughter loves going to daycare in her bike 
seat, and I am sure she (and eventually my newborn son) will have fun 
riding bicycles.

The first few weeks/months are about survival. Don't worry about it if you 
get down about it - it gets, well, if not easier, different, and you get a 
bit of yourself back. And when you get to a few weeks old, and they start 
smiling back at you, the feeling makes it all worthwhile. My son, at two 
months, has just started sleeping in a stretch from 9pm to 4am, which feels 
like amazing progress. I know it feels brutal in the first few weeks when 
they are waking up every couple of hours to eat, but that period ends! 

Toby
Toronto


On Wednesday, 10 February 2016 22:09:31 UTC-5, Jim Bronson wrote:
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> Yep yep yep
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[RBW] Re: The joys of modern lighting... we've come a long way!

[William deRosset]

>But I am a little surprised in a way that after 100+ years(?) of dyno 
lighting there isn't a dragless hub yet.
>Also, dyno lights with a lens that allows you to see into a turn when 
turning.
>Also, lower prices for these things.
>Also, why taillights aren't built into frames yet.

Dear Lungimsam,

We don't have dragless ANYTHING. One of the laws of thermodynamics is that 
you don't get something for nothing. You can't even break even. 

If you're referring to lights-off conditions, a good alternator minimizes 
the eddy currents and stray induction that causes those losses, and the SON 
and SP hubs both lose less than 0.5w at 20mph. There are clutched systems 
to decouple the alternator entirely when turned off, but they turned out to 
have enough weight (and increased drag when on) to offset that tiny 
benefit. 

Power on, Claw-pole alternator designs can be very efficient (the SP and 
SON designs are around 60%, so under 6W cost for 3W of light at speed), but 
there are limits to what fits dimensionally and is pleasant to carry around 
on a 20lb machine with a 1/3 HP power source (an auto alternator is more 
efficient than even high-quality bike dynamos (the good ones are closer to 
85% efficient if I recall correctly), but it has a large iron core, a whole 
lot more windings, etc, and it  neither light nor small). 6W is a 
manageable workload for most of us. Note that nominal 6W output systems 
were available to drive multiple lights, but never really took off for 
push-bike use (they did gain a toehold in the ebike market). They require 
closer to 10W to drive the additional load, and that turns out to be a lot 
of power for the average cyclist relative to the additional light.

Tail lights are built into properly integrated bikes. Perhaps not into 
yours, but two of my machines came with built-in tail lights, and I am 
hardly alone. We as customers have not historically demanded (nor paid for) 
fully-functional lighting systems for our sporting machines, and, because 
it requires more design work (and complicates assembly), bike builders have 
obliged by not really trying to integrate them except where required by 
law. The German shopping bike design requirements support all of us in this 
respect.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/49353569@N00/3522736540/
https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/EMNpauT1sq6SXSNJF_PMyNmblz4G8eB5pdrTwecIxBc?feat=directlink
https://www.compasscycle.com/shop/components/lights/compass-taillight/#

Many more if you consider fenders an integral part of the complete bike.

Lower prices? Larger volume and cheaper materials (which works against 
efficiency in the case of the alternator, anyway, and good design/build 
quality below some threshold). I consider a $40 light, $120 hub, and $30 
rear light pretty inexpensive for what you get, and, honestly, the 
Velo-Lumino switch is a masterpiece of low-volume value.The comparison cost 
would be  a replacement light system for a motorcycle or an auto headlight. 
Not just the consumable bulb(s), but an alternator, light switch, wiring 
harness, control electronics, and a front and rear lens assembly.  Even an 
Edelux/SON/Velo-Lumino switch, sinewave USB power supply, and Secula (all 
low-volume premium bits) end up costing less than than the equivalent 
system parts for a Toyota truck (go ahead, price the wiring harness and 
relays) or my old BMW motorcycle, and those items were mass-produced on 
huge scales.

You could add another light that you can aim to the handlebars or to your 
head (most of us ride with a secondary helmet-mount light offroad, for 
example), but even with 90W to work with (vs the 3W or so of a bike 
lighting system) most designers choose to leave the lights fixed. The 
Edelux II and current-generation Cyo has a pretty broad beam and still 
retains decent projection for riding at speed, and has enough side 
illumination for ordinary road use (unless you block part of the beam with 
the front wheel/fender/rack, as I did with the Boulder Bicycle 
Allroad--left-hand mount on the Nitto rack, so low-speed right-hand 
switchback turns are into a shadow.

I think Citroen had driving lights that swiveled with the front wheels. 
Alternatively, you could wire a helmet-mount light into your dynamo with a 
permanent plug into the bike's wiring harness. I've considered doing that 
for bikepacking, but have just used battery helmet lights for that 
application do date. Maybe with my next project

Best,

Will
William M. deRosset
Fort Collins, CO

On Thursday, February 11, 2016 at 4:46:31 PM UTC-7, Lungimsam wrote:

>
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[RBW] what bolts?

[Patrick D Kelly]

I've got a joe appaloosa on order. I'd like to try out securing my seat 
post and saddle with bolts from http://www.bicyclebolts.com/. Anybody know 
what size/which bolts I should get?

I've used pinhead locking skewers on my bikes up to now. Any 
(anti-)recommendations for skewers and the joe?

Assuming I used a good u-lock and sheldon brown locking method, are there 
any other bits that I can/should worry about locking? I'm guessing there's 
nothing to be done (nothing available) for the quill stem/handle bar.

mahalo

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[RBW] Re: Chainstay protector

[George Schick]

I have to agree about the stainless steel or chrome chain stay protectors. 
 I've often looked for one myself, but they've all but disappeared from the 
bike part/accessory scene in recent years - except for those advertised 
from the UK and, as you say, shipping cost would be high.  There was also a 
time, as far as that goes, when many high-end bikes came with the 
drive-side chain stay chrome plated for this very reason.  Those days, too, 
seem to be long gone.


On Thursday, February 11, 2016 at 10:08:27 AM UTC-6, Robert Liebermann 
wrote:
>
> Hmm, my posts don't seem to make it here, but will try again since 
> nobody's mentioned:
>
> The now unavailable and apparently un-invented, but formerly ubiquitous 
> (early 80s; height of civilization time) stainless steel adhesive chainstay 
> protector is the only way to go (or to have gone). Easy grease wipe-off, 
> silver, made of an actual durable material rather than some ugly plastic 
> that'll immediately get all chewed & ripped up... 
>
> I bought a few about a dozen years ago on eb (I think the guy made them 
> himself), I think soma or somebody very briefly had them about 5 years ago, 
> otherwise not seen since everybody had them back in the old days. 
>
> To me this is such an obviously superior, cheap to manufacture, easy, and 
> practical in every way thing that it's bizarre nobody's making and selling 
> them. I think there is one eb.uk seller with them but the post to the us 
> is prohibitive. 
>
> A few years ago I mistakenly tried a vo 'elk leather' one out of 
> curiosity, but it turned out to be ugly, of cheap-looking thin shaggy 
> leather, and just ridiculous.
>
> Far as I'm concerned, chipped paint is a better situation than any of the 
> other 'protectors' nowadays. 
>
> robert 'subversive' liebermann
> fox, alaska
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Pondering fatherhood

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

BTW, that shot with the Ibert was taken right after my non-drive side pedal 
snapped off! Equipment checks and a steady and aware riding style are extra 
important with precious cargo, but some things cannot be foreseen. Forgot 
to mention the Hooptie accessory for the Big Dummy, fantastic!











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[RBW] Bleriot (57cm) on Craigslist - Asheville

[islaysteve]

Best of luck with your sale and let us know the outcome.  As a Bleriot owner, 
I'm always interested in the market!
Steve

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[RBW] Re: Pondering fatherhood

[Matt Gilkey]

Congratulations and Good luck Jim!!  As a father of two sons, two and four, 
and working full time while going to grad school I have to say that 
becoming a parent is the single most difficult thing I have ever done.  But 
it is by far the most rewarding thing I have ever done, and has changed me 
for the better in more ways than I could have possibly imagined. You truly 
gain a new perspective on life. This change comes on slowly though, so 
don't expect it to all happen right away.  I second the recommendation of 
finding a good bike trailer. Being a parent has definitely cut down on my 
riding and wrenching time, but incorporating your children into your riding 
helps.  

-Matt

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> Yep yep yep
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[RBW] Pondering fatherhood

[Keith Muller]

Congrats on the coming baby!  You might want to contemplate a new top tune on 
your Riv.  It's looking like you might have a tube that has rusted through.

Keith

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Re: [RBW] Re: Pondering fatherhood

[Bill Lindsay]

In my opinion, one high point of father son riding is going on father son 
overnighters conspired by Manny!

Photo Proves Manny Approves 


On Thursday, February 11, 2016 at 11:32:50 AM UTC-8, ttoshi wrote:
>
> It doesn't get much better than this.  Well, maybe with a Riv tandem. 
> Hmm...
>
> Toshi in Oakland, CA
>
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[RBW] Re: Pondering fatherhood

[Ron Mc]

It gets better


   

  


  

  

My daughter is a HS sophomore now and has a wrestling career going.  

Last weekend she took 2nd in district, losing by a break out point in the 
final to a senior.  

This weekend, she's going to regional, if she places, she'll go to state 
next weekend.  

http://smg.photobucket.com/user/bulldog1935/media/estes/track/district%206.mp4.html
 

Over part of Christmas break, she attended the olympic seed training camp 
at AZ St.




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[RBW] Re: Pondering fatherhood

[Ron Mc]

I forgot to add, she built her go-fast  

 


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[RBW] Re: Pondering fatherhood

[WETH]

Ron, 
Congratulations on her wrestling achievements!
Jim,
Congratulations.  In part in means family rides in your 
future: https://flic.kr/p/f8XTFU and https://flic.kr/p/o47xfw
Enjoy the ride,
Erl


On Thursday, February 11, 2016 at 7:45:20 AM UTC-5, Ron Mc wrote:
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> I forgot to add, she built her go-fast  
>
>
> 
>  
> 
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[RBW] Re: Pondering fatherhood

[Ron Mc]

Jim, btw, this is what it's all been about.  

Erl, thanks, I'm just in awe.  The drive is all her (she's always charged 
at everything and hated to squirm) - she gets all the support she wants. 
 She's the same way in grades - when she was little she got mad at the 
teacher if she didn't get 100.  She's made two Bs in her life.  

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Re: [RBW] Re: Pondering fatherhood

[Doug Williams]

I means that your life is going to change in many ways, but for the better. 
As for biking, start looking for  a trailer. I suggest a larger (100 pound 
capacity) Burley trailer. The baby won't ride in it right away, but you can 
the seat out and use it for cargo. You will be making many emergency supply 
runs for diapers, etc.

But relax, focus on your wife now...and enjoy! Everything will be good. My 
kids are both "self propelled" now, they ride their bikes to school. But 
that is a distant future for you. :-)

Doug

On Wednesday, February 10, 2016 at 11:35:23 PM UTC-8, Jim Bronson wrote:
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> Wife gets induced on Friday.  What will it all mean?
> On Feb 10, 2016 9:40 PM, "Deacon Patrick"  
> wrote:
>
>> Awesome!
>>
>> With abandon,
>> Patrick
>>
>> On Wednesday, February 10, 2016 at 8:09:31 PM UTC-7, Jim Bronson wrote:
>>>
>>> Yep yep yep
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[RBW] Nitto Hub Area racks & their accompanying Sackville bags

[ant ritchey]

Finally getting around to installing the HA racks and bags.  Was only 
slightly skeptical of the irish-strap-as-lone-attachment hardware.

Post-s24o, approx 100 miles and lots of bumps...very impressed!  No 
loosening what so ever, though i shied from putting anything too heavy in 
them.

So my lackluster (and unintentional) review is "hell yeah!" to the 
rack/bag/strap combo.

And my question is this:  how do you do 'em?  thoughts, feelings, 
experiences...interested in hearing what the group has to say!

thanks!

ant in pdx or

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[RBW] Re: Sorta FS post: Bags in Martexin Ranger Tan fabric.

[David Banzer]

Alright, this project is officially moving forward. If anyone else is 
interested, I'll be ordering fabric early next week, so there's still time 
to jump on this pre-order.
David
Chicago

On Wednesday, February 10, 2016 at 10:11:49 AM UTC-6, David Banzer wrote:
>
> Hello RBW-OBiers, 
> I have a lister interested in a bag in Martexin Ranger Tan waxed canvas to 
> match an Acorn bag: http://acornbags.com/
> I'm looking into seeing if others might be interested in bags made of the 
> same fabric, either to match existing Acorn bags, or just because they like 
> the color.
> So, for those interested, I'd offer any of my standard model bags: 
> treetop.bigcartel.com - to be made of the ranger tan waxed canvas, at the 
> same prices of my standard bags made of water-repellent canvas. 
> Martexin waxed canvas costs a lot more, so I'm offering this as a sort of 
> pre-order. Bags would ship within 4-5 weeks.
> Ideally, I'd need at least 5 pre-ordered bags.
> Contact me offlist if you're interested.
> Thanks,
> David
> Chicago
>
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[RBW] Re: The order, now the wait....

[Kieran J]

Congrats!
How long is the wait? 

KJ


On Thursday, February 11, 2016 at 11:06:41 AM UTC-5, Wally Estrella wrote:
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> Hi Folks:
>
> I recently ordered a 64 Atlantis, double top tuber :)  Now, I just have to 
> wait...
>
> Plenty of time to decide on selling the Sam as whole or part out the parts 
> for use on the Atlantis. Well, I'll need canti's for the Atlantis.
>
>
> CHEERS!
> Wallyh
>
>
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[RBW] The order, now the wait....

[Wally Estrella]

Hi Folks:

I recently ordered a 64 Atlantis, double top tuber :)  Now, I just have to 
wait...

Plenty of time to decide on selling the Sam as whole or part out the parts 
for use on the Atlantis. Well, I'll need canti's for the Atlantis.


CHEERS!
Wallyh


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[RBW] Re: The order, now the wait....

[Ron Mc]

dolefully, you'll probably have time to vacillate on the component 
selections about a half-dozen times each.  

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Re: [RBW] The joys of modern lighting... we've come a long way!

[Ryan Thompson]

I'm all for the advances in light technology and how relatively low the 
cost is to obtain a good light but like Andrew said, during my commute at 
night I'm constantly blinded by the 400-1000 lumen lights everyone has 
mounted on their handlebars.  I have a Cygolite from Riv on a Paul Gino 
mounted at the mid fork braze on which I hope minimizes blinding oncoming 
riders.

Ryan 

On Thursday, February 11, 2016 at 12:11:34 AM UTC-5, BSWP wrote:

> EFZ. I use lights to show up the potholes and dead skunks, not so much to 
> help the cagers see me.
>
> Just back from Portland, where every other rig seems to be a HID 
> hub-powered coastal lighthouse beacon.
>
> - Andrew, Berkeley
>
> On Wednesday, February 10, 2016 at 7:18:06 PM UTC-8, Clayton.sf wrote:
>>
>> If they can't see me they can't hit me. There is a reason the army wears 
>> camo and ninjas dress in black.
>>
>> Clayton Scott
>> SF, CA
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Re: [RBW] Re: Pondering fatherhood

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Even before a trailer, I found a front mount baby carrier to be a great 
option, starting at year 1. Eventually moved on to rear carrier, trailer, 
strider bike, Big Dummy, Burley Piccolo, and his own two wheels. He is six 
now. All the systems are good at various times and for various 
applications. Last Sunday we lashed his bike to the BD and headed to the 
non-traffic portion of our favorite loop, which includes a wonderful trail 
along the Hudson and the Fishkill Creek. Still use the Piccolo a lot, too-- 
will be taking the maiden voyage attached to the Clementine this weekend.



 







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> I means that your life is going to change in many ways, but for the 
> better. As for biking, start looking for  a trailer.
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[RBW] Re: Chainstay protector

[Robert Liebermann]

Hmm, my posts don't seem to make it here, but will try again since nobody's 
mentioned:

The now unavailable and apparently un-invented, but formerly ubiquitous 
(early 80s; height of civilization time) stainless steel adhesive chainstay 
protector is the only way to go (or to have gone). Easy grease wipe-off, 
silver, made of an actual durable material rather than some ugly plastic 
that'll immediately get all chewed & ripped up... 

I bought a few about a dozen years ago on eb (I think the guy made them 
himself), I think soma or somebody very briefly had them about 5 years ago, 
otherwise not seen since everybody had them back in the old days. 

To me this is such an obviously superior, cheap to manufacture, easy, and 
practical in every way thing that it's bizarre nobody's making and selling 
them. I think there is one eb.uk seller with them but the post to the us is 
prohibitive. 

A few years ago I mistakenly tried a vo 'elk leather' one out of curiosity, 
but it turned out to be ugly, of cheap-looking thin shaggy leather, and 
just ridiculous.

Far as I'm concerned, chipped paint is a better situation than any of the 
other 'protectors' nowadays. 

robert 'subversive' liebermann
fox, alaska

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[RBW] Re: New Shoe's for the Bombadil

[adam leibow]

compass tires. so hot right now. 

On Monday, February 8, 2016 at 6:51:57 PM UTC-8, Tony DeFilippo wrote:
>
>
>
> 
>
>
> Thanks to list member's Chad, Phillip and Bryan my Bombadil has some new 
> toys!  Chad's LX/Synergy wheelset replaced a similar one that I cracked 
> last summer (rear only), Phillip provided me the amazing Compass Switchback 
> Hill tires and I'm using Bryan's 'Marks Rack' as my rear saddlebag support. 
>  A fun couple of projects will have me riding in style!  I threw a bunch 
> of pictures and first impressions of the tires up on my blog. 
>   I also 
> threw on some random planet bike fenders that were sized for a 26x2" tire 
> and they worked pretty darn well.  With wintry slush and potential 
> accumulation here in DC tomorrow I'm really wanting to ride the Bomba but 
> may default to my studded XO-3, I'll have to check first thing tomorrow.
>
>
> Can't wait to hit some trails with these tires.  Thanks again to the list 
> for continuing to fuel my tinkering!
>
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[RBW] Re: WTB: Rat Trap Pass Tires.

[Scott Lutz]

I'll bet Kevin over at Boulevard Bikes in Logan Square can get them for 
you. I haven't lived in the city in many years, but he was usually up on 
this kind of thing. 

On Tuesday, February 9, 2016 at 5:37:23 PM UTC-6, David Banzer wrote:
>
> Longshot as they haven't been out too long, and response has been very 
> favorable on them, but thought I'd throw this WTB out there before checking 
> to see if my LBS has a Compass wholesale account, or convince them to as I 
> like supporting my LBS through the winter months.
> So, wtb a pair of regular Rat Trap Pass tires. These'll go on my wife's 
> new Riv Clementine.
> Contact offlist if you have a pair and how much you'd like shipped to 
> 60618.
> Thanks,
> David
> Chicago
>

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[RBW] Re: The order, now the wait....

[Wally Estrella]

Thank you!  2-3 months

On Thursday, February 11, 2016 at 11:06:41 AM UTC-5, Wally Estrella wrote:
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> Hi Folks:
>
> I recently ordered a 64 Atlantis, double top tuber :)  Now, I just have to 
> wait...
>
> Plenty of time to decide on selling the Sam as whole or part out the parts 
> for use on the Atlantis. Well, I'll need canti's for the Atlantis.
>
>
> CHEERS!
> Wallyh
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] The order, now the wait....

[Tim Gavin]

>
>
> Plenty of time to decide on selling the Sam as whole or part out the parts
> for use on the Atlantis. Well, I'll need canti's for the Atlantis.
>


Congrats!

You won't get as much value out of the components if you sell them with the
Sam.  And, buyers often prefer to do a custom build anyway.  So, I
recommend salvaging all that you can and then offering the leftovers
(calipers, etc) with the Sam frame.

I just picked up a Roadeo frame from the list, and one of its many
attractive factors for me was that I could re-use almost the entire group
from my existing road bike (90s Italian steel, a Giordana) with the
exception of brake calipers, tires, and bar wrap.  Oh, and I swapped a 2 cm
shorter stem to counter the TT difference of the 59 Roadeo vs the 57
Giordana.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Pondering fatherhood

[René Sterental]

The great stories of kids who have gone on to embrace the love of bikes
(and other passions) from their parents are wonderful. However, IMO, one of
the hardest things one has to do as a parent (two daughters in their 20s
and a teenage son) is deal with the reality when one (or all) of your kids
develops other passions that don't have anything to do with yours and
reject (to different degrees) sharing yours. Children develop their own
personalities and passions and one of the best aspect of being a parent is
encouraging them to do so. Yet, it also hurts when they reject sharing
yours. This is an important lesson I have learned over the years, and
covers many more aspects than just sharing a hobby or a passion. And one
has to be supportive and understanding and learn to deal with this
discovery process. And keep hoping that when they get older, they'll
re-discover the passion so you can share it with them! The good aspect of
this situation is that sometimes they infect you with their passions, and
you are the one who ends up sharing it with them.

René

On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 1:08 PM, Dan  wrote:

> When my first daughter was born (19 years ago, time flies) I ran out and
> got a Burley trailer.  I was really excited to get her into the fun of
> biking with me, but the first few times we rode around the local lake she
> fussed and complained. The highlight for her was getting out at the park at
> the halfway point and swinging on the swings.  Then one day, when she was
> about 8 months old, we were on the return leg of the loop and on a little
> downhill I let the bike go faster than I usually did.  Halfway down the
> hill, coming from the trailer I heard "Wh!  Wh!" I was so happy,
> still makes me smile when I think about it.  Today that girl has 3 bikes
> and is always up for a ride. Hectic summer schedules scuttled plans for an
> overnight last year but we're gonna hope for one again this summer.
>
> On Thursday, February 11, 2016 at 2:11:56 PM UTC-6, Matt Gilkey wrote:
>>
>> Congratulations and Good luck Jim!!  As a father of two sons, two and
>> four, and working full time while going to grad school I have to say that
>> becoming a parent is the single most difficult thing I have ever done.  But
>> it is by far the most rewarding thing I have ever done, and has changed me
>> for the better in more ways than I could have possibly imagined. You truly
>> gain a new perspective on life. This change comes on slowly though, so
>> don't expect it to all happen right away.  I second the recommendation of
>> finding a good bike trailer. Being a parent has definitely cut down on my
>> riding and wrenching time, but incorporating your children into your riding
>> helps.
>>
>> -Matt
>>
>> On Wednesday, February 10, 2016 at 8:09:31 PM UTC-7, Jim Bronson wrote:
>>
>>> Yep yep yep
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Rivs on the Great Divide Route?

[qwerty]

Hi Mark,

I rode the GDMBR, last August.  Not on a Riv, but a Surly Ogre.  I was
riding WTB Nanos 29x2.3".  The ride was fine with this setup, but I'd
hesitate to go any narrower than about 2" tire width.  The route
offers alternate options in many places where you can avoid the most
technical sections (mainly from Sparwood, B.C. to Roosville, Mt).
Once in Montana, you can also opt for paved highway shoulders, but
you'd forgo the best scenery.

I had small rear panniers along with frame/seat/bar bags.  No issues
there either.  It's certainly been done with the full complement of
traditional touring panniers, but I was glad to have my setup on the
more technical sections.

It's a great route and I highly recommend it.  Let us know how it goes.

Mike G.
On 2/11/16, Mark Reimer  wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I'm planning out a June bike tour to coincide with the adventure cycling
> associations 40th anniversary party in Missoula, Montana.
>
> I'm thinking of flying to Edmonton, riding or busing to Jasper, then riding
>
> the Icefields Parkway to Banff. Haven't heard of the Icefields Parkway? Do
> yourself a favour and just Google 'cycling the icefields parkway'. It's
> Canada's crown jewel for paved bike touring. Glaciers, mountains, wildlife
> and campgrounds everywhere.
>
> From Banff I want to hop on the Great Divide Mountainbike route and ride to
>
> Missoula. Has anyone done that section of it? I'm just wondering how a more
>
> traditional touring setup like my Atlantis would handle the route. I know
> most of the GDMBR is just gravel roads, but I've also read that the
> Canadian and Montana section is some of the rougher single track. How about
>
> it, any of you taken your Rivs on this trail?
>
>
> Also, anyone going to be in Missoula!?
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Re: [RBW] Re: Chainstay protector

[jeffrey kane]

Your chain stay protector is doing it's job if it protects the paint on 
your stay -- and if it does that (and often) then it's going to be filthy 
before long. All that pretty cloth tape & twine work ends up looking like 
it's covered in black slime after a time and well, if that's your idea of 
beausage then go for it ... Me, I'm with Will on this one. A roll of clear 
Heli tape (like they sell for paddle board repair) is effective, clean 
looking and easily replaced, And you can sneak in little pieces around the 
front of the BB shell and cable housings where they may rub against your 
head tube, etc ... the stuff is versatile and downright cheap in the long 
view.

On Thursday, February 11, 2016 at 5:05:59 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> When I did my Varsity rebuild circa 1971, one problem I had with the 
> conversion was that, with a 39 or 40 t ring, 16 and 18 t cogs, and a heavy 
> 1/8" wide chain, the chain would smack the newly hand-sprayed stay roughly 
> over bumps. I had some vague idea of chrome, and (this being Nairobi, where 
> bike parts were very scarce) I made my own chainstay protector from metal 
> cut from a tin can, the interior silver more or less giving a chromed 
> effect. I cut a more or oess 7" strip with tags fore and aft and on either 
> side, punched holes in the tags, and used them to clamp the thing to the 
> stay with small nuts and bolts.
>
> It looked (to my 16 year old eyes, anyway) pretty nice, matching the 
> silver aluminum fenders.
>

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[RBW] Nice ride today, or: everyone needs a gofast road bike.

[Patrick Moore]

20 miles -- no biggy; but I had no errand to run, so I took the gofast. The
Elk Pass tires are so nice; I can detour onto dirt, firm dirt and light
gravel, if I like -- despite their weight of 175 grams. Not that gofast
bikes need to have this capacity; but it is nice to have it when the tires
that allow it are the fastest pavement tires I've ridden (this is a seat of
pants/leg torque/cadence estimate). In fact, saying that gofasts have to be
dirt capable is like saying a racing car has to have a trunk.

Anyway: sunny, breezy, temps over 60F -- very nice; a detour for a couple
of minor hills -- living in The Valley as I do, hills have to looked for.

The point, if this divagation has a point: I'm glad I have a gofast!
Everyone ought to have one as one of the statutorily minimum 4 bikes in
their stable. Fully kitted commuting or errand bike; check. Dirt bike;
check. Beater; check. Gofast.

I:

'03 Riv: errands.
'02: gofast.
Race Lite and hopefully forthcoming Matthews: dirt.
Dahon: beater.

You?

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[RBW] Old Man Petersen decal

[dougP]

Following up on the threads relating to the new frame decal for Old Man 
Petersen's goodie shop, here it is on my Atlantis:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/33786397@N03/albums/72157664380184592

Perfect fit!  The designer did an excellent job.  

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Re: [RBW] The joys of modern lighting... we've come a long way!

[Eric Norris]

Ryan:

The problem, I believe, is more from the design of modern lights than the 
brightness. By and large, the lights you can buy in US—and this includes pretty 
much every LED light on the market—throw out a cone of light that shines up and 
much as it shines down. It might be “focused,” but it’s still a cone.

German-made lights like the Edelux, on the other hand, focus their light to 
shine mostly down on the road, where it needs to be. Light shining up and 
toward other riders is minimized. Modern cars work the same way—point your car 
at a garage door or a wall and you’ll usually see pretty sharp cutoff line with 
light below and dark above. There’s no reason why a light can’t be bright *and* 
non-blinding.

But it’s much easier to build a reflector that creates cone-shaped light, which 
is probably why most lights do this. German regulations, in particular, don’t 
allow this, which is why Edelux and other German-approved lights are better 
focused.

This state of affairs probably won’t change until US regulators get around to 
adopting regulations like those in Europe, and I haven’t heard of any movement 
in this direction.

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> On Feb 11, 2016, at 6:33 AM, Ryan Thompson  wrote:
> 
> I'm all for the advances in light technology and how relatively low the cost 
> is to obtain a good light but like Andrew said, during my commute at night 
> I'm constantly blinded by the 400-1000 lumen lights everyone has mounted on 
> their handlebars.  I have a Cygolite from Riv on a Paul Gino mounted at the 
> mid fork braze on which I hope minimizes blinding oncoming riders.
> 
> Ryan 
> 
> On Thursday, February 11, 2016 at 12:11:34 AM UTC-5, BSWP wrote:
> EFZ. I use lights to show up the potholes and dead skunks, not so much to 
> help the cagers see me.
> 
> Just back from Portland, where every other rig seems to be a HID hub-powered 
> coastal lighthouse beacon.
> 
> - Andrew, Berkeley
> 
> On Wednesday, February 10, 2016 at 7:18:06 PM UTC-8, Clayton.sf wrote:
> If they can't see me they can't hit me. There is a reason the army wears camo 
> and ninjas dress in black.
> Clayton Scott
> SF, CA
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[RBW] Re: The joys of modern lighting... we've come a long way!

[Lungimsam]

I love my dyno light and hub.

But I am a little surprised in a way that after 100+ years(?) of dyno 
lighting there isn't a dragless hub yet.
Also, dyno lights with a lens that allows you to see into a turn when 
turning.
Also, lower prices for these things.
Also, why taillights aren't built into frames yet.

Perhaps the funding isn't there for these things. That probably also 
explains the high cost, maybe from the manufacturer's R

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Re: [RBW] Re: Chainstay protector

[Patrick Moore]

When I did my Varsity rebuild circa 1971, one problem I had with the
conversion was that, with a 39 or 40 t ring, 16 and 18 t cogs, and a heavy
1/8" wide chain, the chain would smack the newly hand-sprayed stay roughly
over bumps. I had some vague idea of chrome, and (this being Nairobi, where
bike parts were very scarce) I made my own chainstay protector from metal
cut from a tin can, the interior silver more or less giving a chromed
effect. I cut a more or oess 7" strip with tags fore and aft and on either
side, punched holes in the tags, and used them to clamp the thing to the
stay with small nuts and bolts.

It looked (to my 16 year old eyes, anyway) pretty nice, matching the silver
aluminum fenders.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Pondering fatherhood

[Patrick Moore]

Ron -- great photos!

This is edging away from the original thread, but whatthehell: here is
Catie, freshman, at a friend's house, ready for the Christmas ball.

[image: Inline image 1]

On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 3:03 PM, Ron Mc  wrote:

> Rene, I've always taken the approach with my daughter to be a facilitator,
> not a teacher.  Growing up fly fishing at the creek, we might not fish at
> all.
>
>
> 
>
> Sometimes she would fish 10 minutes, sometimes none, sometimes wanting to
> fish 3 hours on every hole she had ever been to on the creek.
>
> The point is, she wanted to be there.  The rest is gravy.
>
> Same with bicycling.  You can offer it and help them with questions, but
> the choice has to be theirs.
>
> In her case, paddling a kayak across the flats (and beating 3 grown men 5
> miles into the wind when she was 12-y-o), charging 20 miles on a bicycle,
> or catching a big fish - it all played to her natural competitive nature.
>
> I took up bicycling again because she had the interest.  First bought a
> kayak so she and I could tandem - that lasted a year, and then she had to
> paddle her own boat.
>
> My passion is my daughter.
>
>
> 
>
> her favorite part of fishing, though, has always been the fillet table - I
> think she's going to be a surgeon, unless fighter pilot wins out.  .
>
>
>
>
> I like the idea of the Riv tandem with baby carrier over stoker's
> handlebars, followed later by one of those burley trailer bikes when
> pedaling becomes part of the interest.
>
>
> On Thursday, February 11, 2016 at 3:23:01 PM UTC-6, René wrote:
>>
>> The great stories of kids who have gone on to embrace the love of bikes
>> (and other passions) from their parents are wonderful. However, IMO, one of
>> the hardest things one has to do as a parent (two daughters in their 20s
>> and a teenage son) is deal with the reality when one (or all) of your kids
>> develops other passions that don't have anything to do with yours and
>> reject (to different degrees) sharing yours. Children develop their own
>> personalities and passions and one of the best aspect of being a parent is
>> encouraging them to do so. Yet, it also hurts when they reject sharing
>> yours. This is an important lesson I have learned over the years, and
>> covers many more aspects than just sharing a hobby or a passion. And one
>> has to be supportive and understanding and learn to deal with this
>> discovery process. And keep hoping that when they get older, they'll
>> re-discover the passion so you can share it with them! The good aspect of
>> this situation is that sometimes they infect you with their passions, and
>> you are the one who ends up sharing it with them.
>>
>> René
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[RBW] Rivs on the Great Divide Route?

[Mark Reimer]

Hello,

I'm planning out a June bike tour to coincide with the adventure cycling 
associations 40th anniversary party in Missoula, Montana. 

I'm thinking of flying to Edmonton, riding or busing to Jasper, then riding 
the Icefields Parkway to Banff. Haven't heard of the Icefields Parkway? Do 
yourself a favour and just Google 'cycling the icefields parkway'. It's 
Canada's crown jewel for paved bike touring. Glaciers, mountains, wildlife 
and campgrounds everywhere.

>From Banff I want to hop on the Great Divide Mountainbike route and ride to 
Missoula. Has anyone done that section of it? I'm just wondering how a more 
traditional touring setup like my Atlantis would handle the route. I know 
most of the GDMBR is just gravel roads, but I've also read that the 
Canadian and Montana section is some of the rougher single track. How about 
it, any of you taken your Rivs on this trail? 


Also, anyone going to be in Missoula!?


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Re: [RBW] Re: Pondering fatherhood

[Ron Mc]

You did good, too, Patrick.  

On Thursday, February 11, 2016 at 4:10:05 PM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Ron -- great photos!
>
> This is edging away from the original thread, but whatthehell: here is 
> Catie, freshman, at a friend's house, ready for the Christmas ball.
>
> [image: Inline image 1]
>
>
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[RBW] Re: Rivs on the Great Divide Route?

['Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I seem to remember that a Riv employee rode a proto-Hunqapillar the entire 
2700+ miles.  I think that speaks well for the Atlantis doing the same. 



On Thursday, February 11, 2016 at 4:10:25 PM UTC-6, Mark Reimer wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> I'm planning out a June bike tour to coincide with the adventure cycling 
> associations 40th anniversary party in Missoula, Montana. 
>
> I'm thinking of flying to Edmonton, riding or busing to Jasper, then 
> riding the Icefields Parkway to Banff. Haven't heard of the Icefields 
> Parkway? Do yourself a favour and just Google 'cycling the icefields 
> parkway'. It's Canada's crown jewel for paved bike touring. Glaciers, 
> mountains, wildlife and campgrounds everywhere.
>
> From Banff I want to hop on the Great Divide Mountainbike route and ride 
> to Missoula. Has anyone done that section of it? I'm just wondering how a 
> more traditional touring setup like my Atlantis would handle the route. I 
> know most of the GDMBR is just gravel roads, but I've also read that the 
> Canadian and Montana section is some of the rougher single track. How about 
> it, any of you taken your Rivs on this trail? 
>
>
> Also, anyone going to be in Missoula!?
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Pondering fatherhood

[Dan]

When my first daughter was born (19 years ago, time flies) I ran out and 
got a Burley trailer.  I was really excited to get her into the fun of 
biking with me, but the first few times we rode around the local lake she 
fussed and complained. The highlight for her was getting out at the park at 
the halfway point and swinging on the swings.  Then one day, when she was 
about 8 months old, we were on the return leg of the loop and on a little 
downhill I let the bike go faster than I usually did.  Halfway down the 
hill, coming from the trailer I heard "Wh!  Wh!" I was so happy, 
still makes me smile when I think about it.  Today that girl has 3 bikes 
and is always up for a ride. Hectic summer schedules scuttled plans for an 
overnight last year but we're gonna hope for one again this summer.

On Thursday, February 11, 2016 at 2:11:56 PM UTC-6, Matt Gilkey wrote:
>
> Congratulations and Good luck Jim!!  As a father of two sons, two and 
> four, and working full time while going to grad school I have to say that 
> becoming a parent is the single most difficult thing I have ever done.  But 
> it is by far the most rewarding thing I have ever done, and has changed me 
> for the better in more ways than I could have possibly imagined. You truly 
> gain a new perspective on life. This change comes on slowly though, so 
> don't expect it to all happen right away.  I second the recommendation of 
> finding a good bike trailer. Being a parent has definitely cut down on my 
> riding and wrenching time, but incorporating your children into your riding 
> helps.  
>
> -Matt
>
> On Wednesday, February 10, 2016 at 8:09:31 PM UTC-7, Jim Bronson wrote:
>
>> Yep yep yep
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Chainstay protector

[René Sterental]

One option I use and I haven't seen mentioned are the leather protectors
that Velo Orange sells. They're very nice and enhance the look of the bike:
http://store.velo-orange.com/index.php/accessories/chainguards-stay-protectors-kickstands/vo-leather-chainstay-protector-self.html

René

On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 10:55 AM, George Schick  wrote:

> I have to agree about the stainless steel or chrome chain stay
> protectors.  I've often looked for one myself, but they've all but
> disappeared from the bike part/accessory scene in recent years - except for
> those advertised from the UK and, as you say, shipping cost would be high.
> There was also a time, as far as that goes, when many high-end bikes came
> with the drive-side chain stay chrome plated for this very reason.  Those
> days, too, seem to be long gone.
>
>
> On Thursday, February 11, 2016 at 10:08:27 AM UTC-6, Robert Liebermann
> wrote:
>>
>> Hmm, my posts don't seem to make it here, but will try again since
>> nobody's mentioned:
>>
>> The now unavailable and apparently un-invented, but formerly ubiquitous
>> (early 80s; height of civilization time) stainless steel adhesive chainstay
>> protector is the only way to go (or to have gone). Easy grease wipe-off,
>> silver, made of an actual durable material rather than some ugly plastic
>> that'll immediately get all chewed & ripped up...
>>
>> I bought a few about a dozen years ago on eb (I think the guy made them
>> himself), I think soma or somebody very briefly had them about 5 years ago,
>> otherwise not seen since everybody had them back in the old days.
>>
>> To me this is such an obviously superior, cheap to manufacture, easy, and
>> practical in every way thing that it's bizarre nobody's making and selling
>> them. I think there is one eb.uk seller with them but the post to the us
>> is prohibitive.
>>
>> A few years ago I mistakenly tried a vo 'elk leather' one out of
>> curiosity, but it turned out to be ugly, of cheap-looking thin shaggy
>> leather, and just ridiculous.
>>
>> Far as I'm concerned, chipped paint is a better situation than any of the
>> other 'protectors' nowadays.
>>
>> robert 'subversive' liebermann
>> fox, alaska
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Re: [RBW] Re: Pondering fatherhood

[Ron Mc]

Rene, I've always taken the approach with my daughter to be a facilitator, 
not a teacher.  Growing up fly fishing at the creek, we might not fish at 
all.  



Sometimes she would fish 10 minutes, sometimes none, sometimes wanting to 
fish 3 hours on every hole she had ever been to on the creek.  

The point is, she wanted to be there.  The rest is gravy.  

Same with bicycling.  You can offer it and help them with questions, but 
the choice has to be theirs.  

In her case, paddling a kayak across the flats (and beating 3 grown men 5 
miles into the wind when she was 12-y-o), charging 20 miles on a bicycle, 
or catching a big fish - it all played to her natural competitive nature.

I took up bicycling again because she had the interest.  First bought a 
kayak so she and I could tandem - that lasted a year, and then she had to 
paddle her own boat.  

My passion is my daughter. 



her favorite part of fishing, though, has always been the fillet table - I 
think she's going to be a surgeon, unless fighter pilot wins out.  .  


  

I like the idea of the Riv tandem with baby carrier over stoker's 
handlebars, followed later by one of those burley trailer bikes when 
pedaling becomes part of the interest.  


On Thursday, February 11, 2016 at 3:23:01 PM UTC-6, René wrote:
>
> The great stories of kids who have gone on to embrace the love of bikes 
> (and other passions) from their parents are wonderful. However, IMO, one of 
> the hardest things one has to do as a parent (two daughters in their 20s 
> and a teenage son) is deal with the reality when one (or all) of your kids 
> develops other passions that don't have anything to do with yours and 
> reject (to different degrees) sharing yours. Children develop their own 
> personalities and passions and one of the best aspect of being a parent is 
> encouraging them to do so. Yet, it also hurts when they reject sharing 
> yours. This is an important lesson I have learned over the years, and 
> covers many more aspects than just sharing a hobby or a passion. And one 
> has to be supportive and understanding and learn to deal with this 
> discovery process. And keep hoping that when they get older, they'll 
> re-discover the passion so you can share it with them! The good aspect of 
> this situation is that sometimes they infect you with their passions, and 
> you are the one who ends up sharing it with them.
>
> René 
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Pondering fatherhood

[Patrick Moore]

Congratulations on the new (forthcoming?) child. My daughter is one of the
best things that happened to me, joy far outweighing grief. But be aware:
daughters, at least my daughter, became less of a handful but a lot more
expensive as she got older!

I bought my now 14 1/2 year old daughter some pretty nice children's bikes
when she was small, starting with a pneumatic-tired tricycle at age 2
(which she'd ride to the nearby Albertson's with me and cruise up and down
the aisles -- it had remote parent steering for emergencies). From 2 until
4 or so, she enjoyed our Saturday morning outings in her trailer, me on a
67" fixed Raleigh Technium -- good times!

But when I put her on a Burley Trail-a-bike, we went 50 feet, and she said,
in effect, "never again." Catie had various Electra cruisers, and enjoyed
riding up and down our cul-de-sac, but when she hit 12 she gradually lost
interest; she hasn't ridden her Trek mountain bike for12 months or more.

Thats' fine; it doesn't hurt or disappoint me in the least. She is very
interested in singing (All State choir), drawing and painting (contest
winner), cooking, piano, reading, lately guitar -- heck, I can't keep up! I
am just as happy to buy her, as I did very recently, a nice Yamaha full
sized key board and kit for the price of a decent bike, as I am to spend
the $$ on cycling stuff.

On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 2:22 PM, René Sterental  wrote:

> The great stories of kids who have gone on to embrace the love of bikes
> (and other passions) from their parents are wonderful. However, IMO, one of
> the hardest things one has to do as a parent (two daughters in their 20s
> and a teenage son) is deal with the reality when one (or all) of your kids
> develops other passions that don't have anything to do with yours and
> reject (to different degrees) sharing yours. Children develop their own
> personalities and passions and one of the best aspect of being a parent is
> encouraging them to do so. Yet, it also hurts when they reject sharing
> yours. This is an important lesson I have learned over the years, and
> covers many more aspects than just sharing a hobby or a passion. And one
> has to be supportive and understanding and learn to deal with this
> discovery process. And keep hoping that when they get older, they'll
> re-discover the passion so you can share it with them! The good aspect of
> this situation is that sometimes they infect you with their passions, and
> you are the one who ends up sharing it with them.
>
> René
>
> On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 1:08 PM, Dan  wrote:
>
>> When my first daughter was born (19 years ago, time flies) I ran out and
>> got a Burley trailer.  I was really excited to get her into the fun of
>> biking with me, but the first few times we rode around the local lake she
>> fussed and complained. The highlight for her was getting out at the park at
>> the halfway point and swinging on the swings.  Then one day, when she was
>> about 8 months old, we were on the return leg of the loop and on a little
>> downhill I let the bike go faster than I usually did.  Halfway down the
>> hill, coming from the trailer I heard "Wh!  Wh!" I was so happy,
>> still makes me smile when I think about it.  Today that girl has 3 bikes
>> and is always up for a ride. Hectic summer schedules scuttled plans for an
>> overnight last year but we're gonna hope for one again this summer.
>>
>> On Thursday, February 11, 2016 at 2:11:56 PM UTC-6, Matt Gilkey wrote:
>>>
>>> Congratulations and Good luck Jim!!  As a father of two sons, two and
>>> four, and working full time while going to grad school I have to say that
>>> becoming a parent is the single most difficult thing I have ever done.  But
>>> it is by far the most rewarding thing I have ever done, and has changed me
>>> for the better in more ways than I could have possibly imagined. You truly
>>> gain a new perspective on life. This change comes on slowly though, so
>>> don't expect it to all happen right away.  I second the recommendation of
>>> finding a good bike trailer. Being a parent has definitely cut down on my
>>> riding and wrenching time, but incorporating your children into your riding
>>> helps.
>>>
>>> -Matt
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, February 10, 2016 at 8:09:31 PM UTC-7, Jim Bronson wrote:
>>>
 Yep yep yep

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[RBW] Comfy sneakers for sale! New Balance, 9.5 D / EE

[Belopsky]

I am selling two sneakers.
New Balance M 574 GS - 9.5 D - $45 shipped, worn twice.






New Balance 990v3 Made in USA - 9.5 EE - $100 shipped, worn around the 
neighborhood to walk the dog.












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Re: [RBW] New Shoe's for the Bombadil

[Tony DeFilippo]

Adam i see what you did there! :)
On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 10:46 AM Allingham II, Thomas J. (Retired Partner) <
thomas.alling...@skadden.com> wrote:

> Justin:  I have a set on my Saluki.  No fenders.  There's enough clearance
> so that there's no rubbing, even under heavy pedaling, but definitely no
> room for fenders.  I think there's a couple of pics of the clearance on my
> Flickr stream (which I can no longer access from my work computer).  Tom
>
> -Original Message-
> From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:
> rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Justin August
> Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2016 12:00 AM
> To: RBW Owners Bunch
> Subject: [RBW] New Shoe's for the Bombadil
>
> Tony-
> Don't you have a Saluki or AHH too?
>
> Can you try that wheel set on that bike and see what the clearance looks
> like?
>
> -J
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Re: [RBW] Re: Pondering fatherhood

[Eric Daume]

What Rene says is very true. My older (9 year old) son likes to point out
that I like bikes, but he likes "sports." So we throw the football back and
forth, and it's good.

My younger son is all about bike camping, though!

On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 4:22 PM, René Sterental  wrote:

> The great stories of kids who have gone on to embrace the love of bikes
> (and other passions) from their parents are wonderful. However, IMO, one of
> the hardest things one has to do as a parent (two daughters in their 20s
> and a teenage son) is deal with the reality when one (or all) of your kids
> develops other passions that don't have anything to do with yours and
> reject (to different degrees) sharing yours. Children develop their own
> personalities and passions and one of the best aspect of being a parent is
> encouraging them to do so. Yet, it also hurts when they reject sharing
> yours. This is an important lesson I have learned over the years, and
> covers many more aspects than just sharing a hobby or a passion. And one
> has to be supportive and understanding and learn to deal with this
> discovery process. And keep hoping that when they get older, they'll
> re-discover the passion so you can share it with them! The good aspect of
> this situation is that sometimes they infect you with their passions, and
> you are the one who ends up sharing it with them.
>
> René
>
> On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 1:08 PM, Dan  wrote:
>
>> When my first daughter was born (19 years ago, time flies) I ran out and
>> got a Burley trailer.  I was really excited to get her into the fun of
>> biking with me, but the first few times we rode around the local lake she
>> fussed and complained. The highlight for her was getting out at the park at
>> the halfway point and swinging on the swings.  Then one day, when she was
>> about 8 months old, we were on the return leg of the loop and on a little
>> downhill I let the bike go faster than I usually did.  Halfway down the
>> hill, coming from the trailer I heard "Wh!  Wh!" I was so happy,
>> still makes me smile when I think about it.  Today that girl has 3 bikes
>> and is always up for a ride. Hectic summer schedules scuttled plans for an
>> overnight last year but we're gonna hope for one again this summer.
>>
>> On Thursday, February 11, 2016 at 2:11:56 PM UTC-6, Matt Gilkey wrote:
>>>
>>> Congratulations and Good luck Jim!!  As a father of two sons, two and
>>> four, and working full time while going to grad school I have to say that
>>> becoming a parent is the single most difficult thing I have ever done.  But
>>> it is by far the most rewarding thing I have ever done, and has changed me
>>> for the better in more ways than I could have possibly imagined. You truly
>>> gain a new perspective on life. This change comes on slowly though, so
>>> don't expect it to all happen right away.  I second the recommendation of
>>> finding a good bike trailer. Being a parent has definitely cut down on my
>>> riding and wrenching time, but incorporating your children into your riding
>>> helps.
>>>
>>> -Matt
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, February 10, 2016 at 8:09:31 PM UTC-7, Jim Bronson wrote:
>>>
 Yep yep yep

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[RBW] WTB/WTT Jack Brown tires

[Chad]

I would prefer the lighter clean label, but would consider blue label if 
they are in good condition and the price is right.  I have a like new set 
of Roll-y Poly's that I would also be willing to trade.

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[RBW] PSA: 54cm Quickbeam on Los Angeles Craigslist

[sameness]

Seems like a good build with lots of extras at what I'd consider a bargain:

https://losangeles.craigslist.org/wst/bik/5443873624.html

Not mine, no affiliation, etc.

Jeff Hagedorn
Los Angeles, CA USA

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[RBW] WTB/WTT 7cm Nitto Tallux stem

[Chad]

I have a 8cm Tallux and want to go a size shorter.

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[RBW] Re: Old Man Petersen decal

[Zed Martinez]

Glad ya like it! And it does look quite sharp on your Atlantis. I've got 
mine on my Clem, where I maybe could've gone with a slightly yellower tan, 
but I was trying to match as many Rivvy colors as I could more or less, so 
I think the way it came out is the way it needed 
to. https://www.flickr.com/photos/zedmartinez/24943189406/in/dateposted-public/

On Thursday, February 11, 2016 at 6:06:58 PM UTC-5, dougP wrote:
>
> Following up on the threads relating to the new frame decal for Old Man 
> Petersen's goodie shop, here it is on my Atlantis:
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/33786397@N03/albums/72157664380184592
>
> Perfect fit!  The designer did an excellent job.  
>
> dougP
>
>
>
>
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[RBW] Pondering fatherhood

[Tim Wood]

Hey hey! Congrats Jim! A lot of good fatherly advice in this thread, but I'm 
here to say that bikes and beer will be the key to survival! - not that I'm 
condoning drinking to cope, I am a police officer after all! But I find that 
getting away on my bike and having a beer is some of the best 
dad-coping-strategy I can think of. Helps one reflect, take stock on life, and 
when you come back home you are happy, calm, and ready to be the best dad you 
can be. So my advice, don't stop taking time for yourself and make sure it 
includes bikes and pitchers!

Cheers,

Tim

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Re: [RBW] PSA: 54cm Quickbeam on Los Angeles Craigslist

[cyclotourist]

Very cool! And orange... yum!

Weird how it begs to have 650B wheels on it though!

On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 6:58 PM, sameness  wrote:
> Seems like a good build with lots of extras at what I'd consider a bargain:
>
> https://losangeles.craigslist.org/wst/bik/5443873624.html
>
> Not mine, no affiliation, etc.
>
> Jeff Hagedorn
> Los Angeles, CA USA
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[RBW] Re: Nice ride today, or: everyone needs a gofast road bike.

[Don Compton]

Patrick,
My go fast or slow fast is my Roadeo. With the 28 Grand Bois Cerfs, I can 
wander off road once in awhile and not lose anything on pavement. The other 
thing is that I am so tuned to the Riv handling that other brands just do 
not inspire me. 
Don C.

On Thursday, February 11, 2016 at 4:58:52 PM UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> 20 miles -- no biggy; but I had no errand to run, so I took the gofast. 
> The Elk Pass tires are so nice; I can detour onto dirt, firm dirt and light 
> gravel, if I like -- despite their weight of 175 grams. Not that gofast 
> bikes need to have this capacity; but it is nice to have it when the tires 
> that allow it are the fastest pavement tires I've ridden (this is a seat of 
> pants/leg torque/cadence estimate). In fact, saying that gofasts have to be 
> dirt capable is like saying a racing car has to have a trunk.
>
> Anyway: sunny, breezy, temps over 60F -- very nice; a detour for a couple 
> of minor hills -- living in The Valley as I do, hills have to looked for.
>
> The point, if this divagation has a point: I'm glad I have a gofast! 
> Everyone ought to have one as one of the statutorily minimum 4 bikes in 
> their stable. Fully kitted commuting or errand bike; check. Dirt bike; 
> check. Beater; check. Gofast.
>
> I:
>
> '03 Riv: errands.
> '02: gofast.
> Race Lite and hopefully forthcoming Matthews: dirt.
> Dahon: beater.
>
> You?
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[RBW] Re: Nice ride today, or: everyone needs a gofast road bike.

[Tony DeFilippo]

I like your statutory minimum 4 proposal... Mostly because of conveniently 
aligns to my own stable!  

Saluki - commuter, all round
Bombadil - singletrack fun-coaster, commuter alternate
XO-3 - 'beater' (in the most endearing way), single speed
Bob Jackson - go fast

Is a fat bike somehow both implied and outside of the 'statutory minimum 4'?  :)

I was surprised how much I really enjoyed and continue to enjoy the stripped 
down 32mm tired Jackson...

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[RBW] Re: The order, now the wait....

[BSWP]

I did not know that Atlanti could be had with 2TT! The website does not 
show this, maybe it was covered in a Blug somewhere back in time. Cool, 
anyway.

- Andrew, Berkeley

On Thursday, February 11, 2016 at 8:06:41 AM UTC-8, Wally Estrella wrote:
>
> Hi Folks:
>
> I recently ordered a 64 Atlantis, double top tuber :)  Now, I just have to 
> wait...
>
> Plenty of time to decide on selling the Sam as whole or part out the parts 
> for use on the Atlantis. Well, I'll need canti's for the Atlantis.
>
>
> CHEERS!
> Wallyh
>
>
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Re: [RBW] PSA: 54cm Quickbeam on Los Angeles Craigslist

[sameness]

cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:

> Weird how it begs to have a 60cm frame on it though! 
>

Agreed.

Jeff Hagedorn
Los Angeles, CA USA 

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Re: [RBW] PSA: 54cm Quickbeam on Los Angeles Craigslist

[cyclotourist]

Oh, that's what I meant.

On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 8:48 PM, sameness  wrote:
> cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> Weird how it begs to have a 60cm frame on it though!
>
>
> Agreed.
>
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[RBW] NAHBS Rivendell Owner's Bunch/iBOB Social Ride--Sat 2/27 5:30pm

[Jeremy Till]

Hey Folks-

Just bought my tickets for NAHBS, definitely getting excited about this 
event!  As a resident of Sacramento, I thought I'd organize a meetup for my 
friends on the Rivendell Owner's Bunch and Internet-BOB group, and share 
some of the fun stuff about living and riding in Sac.  Towards that end, 
how does this sound?

Rivendell Owner's Bunch/iBOB Social Ride
A short ride at a social pace, at most 1 hour long
Meet: 5-5:30pm at Capitol Garage Restaurant & Bar 
, corner of 15th & K St, just next to the 
Convention Center. 
End: New Helvetia Brewing Company , 18th & 
Broadway (south end of Midtown, north end of Upper Land Park, easy biking 
distance back to Midtown, Downtown, Amtrak, etc.)

I'll try to get to Capitol Garage around 5, so people who need respite from 
the show floor can join me there for a pre-ride pint, and we'll get rolling 
around 5:30.  We'll take an easy ride along the river, around to New 
Helvetia, my local watering hole, where they brew many fine ales and 
lagers.  Social pace, no drop, everyone welcome, etc. etc. 

I know there's numerous other social events planned for that evening and 
the whole weekend, so my intention is to make a relatively casual event so 
people can come and go as they please.  Say hi at the meetup, come for all 
or none of the ride, meet us at New Helvetia, whatever.  If there's still a 
good group sticking around at New Helvetia, we can retire to my place which 
is very close to there, and my wife has offered to grill us up some grub. 

If this sounds like fun, please RSVP so I have a rough idea of count. If 
we're a significant crowd, I'll warn the businesses of incoming bike nerds. 
 If you need to borrow a bike, PM me with your size and I'll see what I can 
do.  

See you soon,

Jeremy

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[RBW] Rosco Bubbe

[Joe Bernard]

This name resurfaced on the BLUG yesterday. Its original proposed incarnation 
was a child's bike, which Grant determined to be too expensive to sell. The 
reintroduction specifies "adult bikes" with a seat-clamp intended for the new 
tandem. Hmm...

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RE: [RBW] New Shoe's for the Bombadil

[Allingham II, Thomas J. (Retired Partner)]

Justin:  I have a set on my Saluki.  No fenders.  There's enough clearance so 
that there's no rubbing, even under heavy pedaling, but definitely no room for 
fenders.  I think there's a couple of pics of the clearance on my Flickr stream 
(which I can no longer access from my work computer).  Tom

-Original Message-
From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Justin August
Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2016 12:00 AM
To: RBW Owners Bunch
Subject: [RBW] New Shoe's for the Bombadil

Tony-
Don't you have a Saluki or AHH too?

Can you try that wheel set on that bike and see what the clearance looks like?

-J

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[RBW] Re: Pondering fatherhood

[Deacon Patrick]

Some things to consider that in our experience with four children eliminate 
the "brutal" so many parents experience:

-- Breast feeding
-- Co-sleeping (no drugs or alcohol or soft beds)

Baby and mom quickly learn to sleep all night, even as nursing. It's the 
lugged steel of parenting. Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Thursday, February 11, 2016 at 8:14:54 AM UTC-7, Toby Whitfield wrote:
>
> I know it feels brutal in the first few weeks when they are waking up 
> every couple of hours to eat, but that period ends! 
>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Thunder Burt Wisdom...

[Deacon Patrick]

Like you, Mark, I find the "extra" clearance of the 2.1" wonderful -- 
though if I had the green Hunqapillar I'd likely love the extra width/float 
of the 2.25s.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Thursday, February 11, 2016 at 8:12:49 AM UTC-7, Mark Reimer wrote:
>
> Wow now that is a good deal!! I may have to order some...
>
> My 2.25 TBs are still running since the oregon outback. I've had one flat, 
> after hitting a broken beer bottle on the trail. I've also started using 
> the 2.1's just to get a bit more clearance when it's muddy. The 2.25s lock 
> up pretty quick when you hit the peanut butter mud. 
>
> On Wednesday, February 10, 2016 at 6:35:15 PM UTC-6, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>
>> Update on Thunder Burts:
>>
>> I've ridden the "light skin" TBs for about a week now and have been 
>> surprised how much more supple they are than even the "snake skin". THat's 
>> testing them out on the gnarly frozen slush on a walking trail, so it's 
>> rougher than most and they are noticeably smoother than the snake skin 
>> casing. No flats for a year on the snake skin for me last year, so I'll see 
>> what they do this year. But ordering from Germany is well worth it. For six 
>> tires we paid $36.33 a tire including shipping from 
>> http://www.bike-discount.de.
>>
>> With abandon,
>> Patrick 
>>
>

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[RBW] Bleriot (57cm) on Craigslist - Asheville

[kmcmoobud]

Hi,

I have my Bleriot listed locally - I am happy to talk shipping if you are 
interested:

https://asheville.craigslist.org/bik/5442543081.html

Kristy

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[RBW] Re: Pondering fatherhood

[Andrew Patteson]

Congratulations!  And great comments here.  Everything that Toby said is 
entirely accurate, in my experience.

Andrew in SLC



On Wednesday, February 10, 2016 at 8:09:31 PM UTC-7, Jim Bronson wrote:
>
> Yep yep yep
>

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[RBW] Re: FS/T: 59 AHH

[Leslie]

OO...   the rootbeer Homer!   That's a smashing color




On Wednesday, February 10, 2016 at 7:56:45 PM UTC-5, Dave S wrote:
>
> Complete Bike as seen here: http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/staff1.htm
>
> Would trade for 57cm AHH or Roadeo Frame or bike. Serious buyers please 
> PM. 
>

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[RBW] Re: Nitto Hub Area racks & their accompanying Sackville bags

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I don't have the HA rack, but I do have the backobike bags with the same 
attachment system. It works very well, as you have discovered. However, the 
original web straps with buckles that came with my bags (the red, above) 
can be susceptible to fairly rapid wear. My theory is simple: square peg in 
round hole, does not work so good. I noticed fraying on my straps at the 
contact points with the two holes after a couple of months of riding every 
day, approximately 80-100 miles a week, fairly tame trails and road, but 
enough bumps and holes. 

I purchased replacements from Rivendell. The green replacement straps 
appear to have a tighter weave, and are wider (and unnecessarily longer). I 
have not had them in long enough to notice a difference. Before ordering, I 
substituted a strand of climber's rope, which worked fine and is rated for 
a hefty load. Looks a bit more Rivish as well. Bottom line: I suspect this 
could be a potential failure point over time, but is easily monitored and 
addressed. I really like these bags, for reasons I expressed in another 
post.`





On Thursday, February 11, 2016 at 11:08:28 AM UTC-5, ant ritchey wrote:
>
> Finally getting around to installing the HA racks and bags.  Was only 
> slightly skeptical of the irish-strap-as-lone-attachment hardware.
>
> Post-s24o, approx 100 miles and lots of bumps...very impressed!  No 
> loosening what so ever, though i shied from putting anything too heavy in 
> them.
>
> So my lackluster (and unintentional) review is "hell yeah!" to the 
> rack/bag/strap combo.
>
> And my question is this:  how do you do 'em?  thoughts, feelings, 
> experiences...interested in hearing what the group has to say!
>
> thanks!
>
> ant in pdx or
>

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[RBW] Re: Nitto Hub Area racks & their accompanying Sackville bags

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

And P.S. I do use these often with a decent load weight, including grocery 
shopping and sometimes overstuffing. But nothing they should not be able to 
handle. And of course it is a snip of the scissor and a quick seal with a 
match to shorten the replacement straps, which do appear to be much 
heartier. If they eventually also begin to fray, I will just go with the 
rope, which should last a very long time with no worries. (And I have extra 
lengths of the rope, if anyone would like some for their sackville 
panniers.)

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