[RBW] Re: Yepp Mini on Rivendell experiences?

[John Stowe]

I went with a Bobike since it seemed to give me a bit more clearance, 
though I think I was mostly concerned with knees. On my 58 Sam there's a 
little more top tube length to work with, but the front seat precluded 
standing up on the pedals or getting more than a toe down at stoplights. 
Definitely improved my trackstanding during that time. As others have 
mentioned, handlebars matter too: I went with Bosco Bullmoose's, which 
curve back nicely around (and put the bell within reach!). So far I haven't 
bothered to execute the original plan of using cable couplers to swap with 
Noodles, even now that my passenger has moved to a rear seat (Thule). I've 
gotten good at kicking my foot over the front (easier when dismounting, 
since my hips are slightly higher when I'm on the seat/standing on the 
pedals) but a Cheviot would certainly help now!

Another congrats to Tony, and an offer from your neighbor in Alexandria: 
you're welcome to try mounting my Bobike on your bike(s) and take it for a 
spin!

-J

  
 
  


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Re: [RBW] Re: On tire supple-itude

[Jan Heine]

Interesting tread... and I am glad so many listmembers enjoy their Compass 
tires as much as we do. (We developed them for our own bikes, after all.)

I'd like to clarify a few things about the TPI (threads per inch) of the 
Compass tires. The Extralight models actually use the thinnest casing 
fibers that Panaracer makes. If packed tightly and measured the "Italian 
way", these would result in 360 TPI casings. However, by using the same 
thin fibers, but weaving them a bit looser, you get an even suppler casing, 
but of course, the TPI is lower. More on the subject is here:

https://janheine.wordpress.com/2015/01/05/tpi-and-tire-performance/

There is a lot that goes into making supple tires, and like so many things, 
it's hard to put that into a single number. It's like "How do you make a 
great-riding frame?" In the end, you go by experience - if many experienced 
riders tell you that a certain frame is great, it probably is. The same 
applies to tires.

As a final note, if you want to compare the performance of tires, you have 
to do it on the same bike. With different bikes, small things like 
aerodynamics (if your stem is just 20 mm lower, your wind resistance is 
about 5% lower) or the frame flex characteristics of the frame (what we 
call "planing") will affect the speeds you can achieve on the road, so even 
if your measurements are accurate (you need a lot of repeats to reduce the 
noise in the data), you may not be measuring tire performance. That said, 
the Challenge tires mentioned by one poster are very nice, too, and in our 
performance testing, were about equal to the standard Grand Bois/Compass 
casings.

Jan Heine
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[RBW] Re: FS: Rivendell jerseys, original 62cm Rambouillet

[Abcyclehank]

On Tuesday, March 29, 2016 at 6:56:10 PM UTC-4, Jay Lonner wrote:
> Classic Riv jerseys for sale, barely worn and in great shape. Size XXL, at 
> 6'3" and 210" they fit me comfortably. The blue one is short sleeved, the 
> green one is long sleeved. Merino wool, of course. $40 apiece or $75 for 
> both, plus actual shipping charges.
> 
> 
> I'd also like to give the group a heads-up that I am preparing to sell my 
> original, orange, fancy-lugged Rambouillet, size 62cm. I plan to follow up 
> with a more detailed listing within the next several weeks, but I thought I'd 
> throw it out there that this bike is available. The price is negotiable, but 
> I'm thinking $450 plus shipping for frame/fork/headset only, ranging up to 
> $1100 or so for the whole shebang, including a really nice wheelset (XTR M900 
> hubs and MA-3s built by PJW). Why am I selling? Haven't ridden it since I got 
> my Hunq...
> 
> 
Jay,
I will take the jerseys and would also take the F/F/HS unless you have a taker 
for the full bike.
Can send PayPal for either or both ASAP.
rhankin...@hotmail.com
Thanks,
Ryan Hankinson
(616)928-4226

> Jay Lonner
> Bellingham, WA

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[RBW] Appaloosa Bullmoose Dirt Tourer

[Justin August]

I see it got shot today for the Radavist!

Awesome. 

-Justin

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[RBW] Appaloosa Bullmoose Dirt Tourer

[Beardpapa]

Heeey buddy

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[RBW] Re: Consolidating some of the reminder threads into an FAQ thread?

[Sky Coulter]

fourthed.  It'd make a cleaner interface.

On Tuesday, March 29, 2016 at 4:05:42 PM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Thirdeded. And that's mostly on a desktop.
>
> With abandon,
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> On Tuesday, March 29, 2016 at 3:54:33 PM UTC-6, Justin August wrote:
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>> Hey folks-
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>> pinned at the top of the Google group? Using it on mobile I have to scroll 
>> a whole page down to get to the content. Just a thought. 
>>
>> -Justin
>>
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Re: OT: Re: [RBW] Re: On tire supple-itude

[Daniel D.]

strava's nice for tracking times.  Looking at strava's graph showing a 
couple of years on the same route I can pick out which bike I was riding 
 well enough to put money on it.  Different tires, not quite...

On Tuesday, March 29, 2016 at 11:39:36 AM UTC-7, Jim Bronson wrote:
>
> That's a good idea.  I should bail out early to ride my bike, because 
> otherwise I have no time to ride my bike, what with a new baby and trying 
> to pack up the house to move.
>
> On Tue, Mar 29, 2016 at 1:35 PM, Ron Mc  
> wrote:
>
>> another datapoint is making the same route and checking your watch.  I 
>> have a long commute, get to my office crazy early and leave when I want (or 
>> when the work allows).  But I also have close access to two really nice 
>> greenways from my office, so I frequently bring the bike in and bail out to 
>> ride.  I have a standard 31-mi route I normally make in 2 hours including 
>> water stops.  If I cut 10 minutes from that, I know I'm going faster.  But 
>> I can tell you for sure, Strada Biancas are faster than Barlow ELs, but not 
>> that much faster, and the comfort of the Barlows more than makes up for the 
>> difference.  
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Re: [RBW] Stolen rivs in seattle

[cyclotourist]

YES

On Tue, Mar 29, 2016 at 4:28 PM, Lungimsam  wrote:

> Interested to hear how they broke it to the seller that the bike was
> stolen and they would have to hold it until the police arrived.
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[RBW] Re: Appaloosas set free

[El Sapo]

No worries Keith, I'll really be surprised if you don't love your Clem. IMO 
it's an instant classic. Seems like Grant put a few more signature 
(dorky?) features into the Clem then he did with the Joe. 
Those touches make the bike iconic. Plus, it all works together perfectly. 

I cured my desire for a Joe by starting a restoration project on a 86 
Stumpjumper Team. FYI, Neon pink is back!

 On Friday, March 25, 2016 at 12:10:58 PM UTC-7, iamkeith wrote:

> Damn it!  I couldn't jump on the pre-sale partly because of cash flow at 
> the time, but also partly because I didn't know if my recently-purchased 
> Clem was going to work out.   
>
> Now all these months later, I STILL don't know if my Clem is going to work 
> out, because it's still snowing every stinking day, as it has pretty much 
> since I received the thing in October.   Worst and most un-fair release 
> schedule ever for a bicycle.   
>
> *I can't believe that, in the time since I ordered my Clem, the Appaloosa 
> project was announced, built, shipped, received, ridden by many buyers in 
> gentler climates, and is now released in frame-only format!*  
>
> Hopefully the Clem will work and/or bubba won't offer a good replacement 
> and/or one of these frames will be left, in my size and color, come June, 
> when I know more. 
>
> On Friday, March 25, 2016 at 12:49:42 PM UTC-6, BSWP wrote:
>>
>> The rrumoured freeing of the Appaloosas has happened, in a limited 
>> fashion. Three of each colour/size can be had as F Tempting...
>>
>> - Andrew, Berkeley
>>
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[RBW] FS: Rivendell jerseys, original 62cm Rambouillet

[Sky Coulter]

Jay, i'd like to buy both jerseys, out on a phone so can't reply privately. I 
live just north of the border so should be able to pick up local like.

Sky in new west

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Re: [RBW] Stolen rivs in seattle

[Lungimsam]

Interested to hear how they broke it to the seller that the bike was stolen and 
they would have to hold it until the police arrived.

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Re: [RBW] Stolen rivs in seattle

[Lungimsam]

Yay!!! Congrats!! 

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Re: [RBW] Stolen rivs in seattle

[Curtis McKenzie]

Excellent!

On Tuesday, March 29, 2016, Michael Ullmer  wrote:

> Update! Thanks to Aarons  Bicycle Repair in White center and Bike Index I
> got my hillborne back.  Someone brought it in to sell it and they held in
> to it until I got there.  I'll post more later about the recovery, still no
> Internet at the house and there's a lot going on with insurance,  police,
> etc.
>
> Thanks for everyone's support!
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[RBW] Re: Stolen rivs in seattle

[Michael Ullmer]

Update! Thanks to Aarons  Bicycle Repair in White center and Bike Index I got 
my hillborne back.  Someone brought it in to sell it and they held in to it 
until I got there.  I'll post more later about the recovery, still no Internet 
at the house and there's a lot going on with insurance,  police,  etc. 

Thanks for everyone's support!

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Re: [RBW] FS: Rivendell jerseys, original 62cm Rambouillet

[Patrick Moore]

Damned good price for the jerseys -- good thing they are too big for me.

On Tue, Mar 29, 2016 at 4:56 PM, Jay Lonner  wrote:

> Classic Riv jerseys for sale, barely worn and in great shape. Size XXL, at
> 6'3" and 210" they fit me comfortably. The blue one is short sleeved, the
> green one is long sleeved. Merino wool, of course. $40 apiece or $75 for
> both, plus actual shipping charges.
>
> I'd also like to give the group a heads-up that I am preparing to sell my
> original, orange, fancy-lugged Rambouillet, size 62cm. I plan to follow up
> with a more detailed listing within the next several weeks, but I thought
> I'd throw it out there that this bike is available. The price is
> negotiable, but I'm thinking $450 plus shipping for frame/fork/headset
> only, ranging up to $1100 or so for the whole shebang, including a really
> nice wheelset (XTR M900 hubs and MA-3s built by PJW). Why am I selling?
> Haven't ridden it since I got my Hunq...
>
> Jay Lonner
> Bellingham, WA
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[RBW] Re: FS: Rivendell jerseys, original 62cm Rambouillet

[Bill Lindsay]

Holy crap.  That's the deal of the century like four times over.  

On Tuesday, March 29, 2016 at 3:56:10 PM UTC-7, Jay Lonner wrote:
>
> Classic Riv jerseys for sale, barely worn and in great shape. Size XXL, at 
> 6'3" and 210" they fit me comfortably. The blue one is short sleeved, the 
> green one is long sleeved. Merino wool, of course. $40 apiece or $75 for 
> both, plus actual shipping charges.
>
> I'd also like to give the group a heads-up that I am preparing to sell my 
> original, orange, fancy-lugged Rambouillet, size 62cm. I plan to follow up 
> with a more detailed listing within the next several weeks, but I thought 
> I'd throw it out there that this bike is available. The price is 
> negotiable, but I'm thinking $450 plus shipping for frame/fork/headset 
> only, ranging up to $1100 or so for the whole shebang, including a really 
> nice wheelset (XTR M900 hubs and MA-3s built by PJW). Why am I selling? 
> Haven't ridden it since I got my Hunq...
>
> Jay Lonner
> Bellingham, WA
>

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[RBW] Re: Consolidating some of the reminder threads into an FAQ thread?

[Deacon Patrick]

Thirdeded. And that's mostly on a desktop.

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Re: Consolidating some of the reminder threads into an FAQ thread?

[Edwin W]

I second that emotion.

Edwin

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> Hey folks-
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> a whole page down to get to the content. Just a thought. 
>
> -Justin
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[RBW] Consolidating some of the reminder threads into an FAQ thread?

[Justin August]

Hey folks-
Would the admin mind consolidating some of the reminder threads that are pinned 
at the top of the Google group? Using it on mobile I have to scroll a whole 
page down to get to the content. Just a thought. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: On tire supple-itude

[cyclotourist]

A drum test, but on irregular diamond plate surface rather than a smooth
drum.

On Tue, Mar 29, 2016 at 1:39 PM, Steve Palincsar  wrote:

>
>
> On 03/29/2016 04:21 PM, Mark Reimer wrote:
>
>> Ohhh, now check this out!!
>>
>> http://www.bicyclerollingresistance.com/mtb-reviews/schwalbe-big-one-2016
>>
>> Quantified data on tire rolling resistance as it relates to pressure.
>> This is very cool. A review of the new Schwalbe Big One 2.35 nearly-slick
>> tire, supposedly their fastest tire EVER (including compared to skinny road
>> tires). I need these on my Atlantis!
>>
>
>
> Another drum test.  It may be "quantified" but that doesn't necessarily
> mean it means anything.
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: On tire supple-itude

[Bill Lindsay]

Ron Mc and Steve Palincsar are right that drum testing is only a small 
piece of the puzzle, but I will point out to those two that this is the 
first time (that I know of) where a wide, thinwalll, low pressure tire has 
measured FASTER on a drum than skinny, hard, high-pressure tires. 
 Normally, we're all used to seeing the drum-data tell us that skinny tires 
at 120psi are the lowest rolling resistance, and we've grown to be 
skeptical of those results, because of suspension losses when there is a 
real rider and bicycle involved.  We've learned that our wide, supple, low 
pressure tires are "slower" on the drum, but those losses are more than 
covered on the road because of a reduction of suspension losses.  This is a 
shocking result because this fat, low pressure, thin sidewall tire is 
actually FASTER on the drum.  Add to that the expected suspension loss 
benefits, and you've got a potential rocketship tire.  I just finished 
ordering a bunch of stuff from Chain Reaction, too.  Dangit!

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA


On Tuesday, March 29, 2016 at 1:39:34 PM UTC-7, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
>
>
> On 03/29/2016 04:21 PM, Mark Reimer wrote: 
> > Ohhh, now check this out!! 
> > 
> > 
> http://www.bicyclerollingresistance.com/mtb-reviews/schwalbe-big-one-2016 
> > 
> > Quantified data on tire rolling resistance as it relates to pressure. 
> > This is very cool. A review of the new Schwalbe Big One 2.35 
> > nearly-slick tire, supposedly their fastest tire EVER (including 
> > compared to skinny road tires). I need these on my Atlantis! 
>
>
> Another drum test.  It may be "quantified" but that doesn't necessarily 
> mean it means anything. 
>
>
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: On tire supple-itude

[John Phillips]

Aside from the question of speed, I did notice the tires listed here

http://www.bicyclerollingresistance.com/mtb-reviews/schwalbe-big-one-2016 


as having less resistance corresponded to the tires Riv listers enjoy more 
on the road / trail, for example the Thunder Burt tires.

And I see the Conti Race Kings with flat protection are not far behind the 
Thunder Burts.

John

On Tuesday, March 29, 2016 at 1:21:17 PM UTC-7, Mark Reimer wrote:
>
> Ohhh, now check this out!!
>
> http://www.bicyclerollingresistance.com/mtb-reviews/schwalbe-big-one-2016
>
> Quantified data on tire rolling resistance as it relates to pressure. This 
> is very cool. A review of the new Schwalbe Big One 2.35 nearly-slick tire, 
> supposedly their fastest tire EVER (including compared to skinny road 
> tires). I need these on my Atlantis!
>
> On Tue, Mar 29, 2016 at 2:15 PM, Lungimsam  > wrote:
>
>> This is a fascinating subject. And I cannot comment on Ron's experience.
>>
>> Speaking from my own experience:
>> It is really hard for me to know if one bike is faster than another, or 
>> if a component makes it faster/slower. Maybe because of the engine and 
>> wind. Maybe my bikes are very closely related.
>>
>> The condition of the engine changes.  Wind does too. Here in central 
>> Maryland it is subtly breezy year round.
>>
>> I know that some days I feel like I can't even get outta my own way on my 
>> Bleriot and Sam. Other days, I feel like I'm flying along easily. Is it the 
>> wind? Is it me? This happens regardless of which tires I use.
>>
>> I had a Giant carbo/alu bike that felt fast, and it seems that I have 
>> dropped 1mph on my overall route on bike time average speeds since I 
>> switched to 650b steel, even on Compass/BQ tires. But, the fastest commute 
>> on bike timings were done on my steel bikes with both Marathons and 
>> Compass/GB tires. I'm also a few years older. Bith Rivs beat the Giant. Me? 
>> Wind?
>>
>> But my overall avapeeds were faster on the Giant with Gatorskins.
>>
>> So I I dont understand it and cannot say for sure which bike with which 
>> version of components is faster.
>>
>> I can say the Rivs are more comfy, better handling, and smoother than the 
>> Giant bike.
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Re: [RBW] Re: On tire supple-itude

[Ron Mc]

We're all throwing out a lot of extremes for direct comparison on this 
thread, and trying to justify minor differences with empirical lab data 
that may or may not relate to the reality of the road.  I will say the 
fastest tires I've lived with 320 tpi, 95 psi, 27mm (probably 26).  But not 
until they warm up (also demonstrated trying to chase the tandem, which is 
a steady 2 mph faster than I normally ride).  The good news is, there are 
many great tires out there for our personal preferences of longevity, cozy, 
and fast.  

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[RBW] Re: Another Appaloosa Rider

[Evan E.]

Eunice: Congratulations! Love the bike. Love the blue. It looks almost 
Atlantis greenish?

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Re: [RBW] Re: On tire supple-itude

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On 03/29/2016 04:21 PM, Mark Reimer wrote:

Ohhh, now check this out!!

http://www.bicyclerollingresistance.com/mtb-reviews/schwalbe-big-one-2016

Quantified data on tire rolling resistance as it relates to pressure. 
This is very cool. A review of the new Schwalbe Big One 2.35 
nearly-slick tire, supposedly their fastest tire EVER (including 
compared to skinny road tires). I need these on my Atlantis!



Another drum test.  It may be "quantified" but that doesn't necessarily 
mean it means anything.





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Re: [RBW] Re: On tire supple-itude

[Ron Mc]

Read again, rolling resistance ID only a small piece of the puzzle

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Re: [RBW] Re: On tire supple-itude

[Mark Reimer]

Ohhh, now check this out!!

http://www.bicyclerollingresistance.com/mtb-reviews/schwalbe-big-one-2016

Quantified data on tire rolling resistance as it relates to pressure. This
is very cool. A review of the new Schwalbe Big One 2.35 nearly-slick tire,
supposedly their fastest tire EVER (including compared to skinny road
tires). I need these on my Atlantis!

On Tue, Mar 29, 2016 at 2:15 PM, Lungimsam  wrote:

> This is a fascinating subject. And I cannot comment on Ron's experience.
>
> Speaking from my own experience:
> It is really hard for me to know if one bike is faster than another, or if
> a component makes it faster/slower. Maybe because of the engine and wind.
> Maybe my bikes are very closely related.
>
> The condition of the engine changes.  Wind does too. Here in central
> Maryland it is subtly breezy year round.
>
> I know that some days I feel like I can't even get outta my own way on my
> Bleriot and Sam. Other days, I feel like I'm flying along easily. Is it the
> wind? Is it me? This happens regardless of which tires I use.
>
> I had a Giant carbo/alu bike that felt fast, and it seems that I have
> dropped 1mph on my overall route on bike time average speeds since I
> switched to 650b steel, even on Compass/BQ tires. But, the fastest commute
> on bike timings were done on my steel bikes with both Marathons and
> Compass/GB tires. I'm also a few years older. Bith Rivs beat the Giant. Me?
> Wind?
>
> But my overall avapeeds were faster on the Giant with Gatorskins.
>
> So I I dont understand it and cannot say for sure which bike with which
> version of components is faster.
>
> I can say the Rivs are more comfy, better handling, and smoother than the
> Giant bike.
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[RBW] FS Nitto Technomic 80mm x 26.0

[Frank Conway]

The stem has been sold.  Thank you.

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Re: [RBW] Bike lockers

[Lungimsam]

Wait..I think it is telling us simply that the case dont lock. So lock it to 
the rail.
But i do see the metal bracket on the outside of the shell that one could 
probably rum a ulock through.

In anycase, It looks like they dont really remove bikes nightly.

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Re: [RBW] Bike lockers

[Lungimsam]

Maybe I misread it.
Maybe it doesn't mean that you aren't allowed to lock the case, just that it is 
best to use the inside rail, for whatever reason.

I could see two thieves easily breaking the small bolts that hold the clam 
frame to the ground with a mallet and crowbar and then lifting the clamshell 
off of the bike, revealing an unlocked bike underneath.

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[RBW] Re: On tire supple-itude

[Lungimsam]

This is a fascinating subject. And I cannot comment on Ron's experience.

Speaking from my own experience:
It is really hard for me to know if one bike is faster than another, or if a 
component makes it faster/slower. Maybe because of the engine and wind. Maybe 
my bikes are very closely related.

The condition of the engine changes.  Wind does too. Here in central Maryland 
it is subtly breezy year round.

I know that some days I feel like I can't even get outta my own way on my 
Bleriot and Sam. Other days, I feel like I'm flying along easily. Is it the 
wind? Is it me? This happens regardless of which tires I use.

I had a Giant carbo/alu bike that felt fast, and it seems that I have dropped 
1mph on my overall route on bike time average speeds since I switched to 650b 
steel, even on Compass/BQ tires. But, the fastest commute on bike timings were 
done on my steel bikes with both Marathons and Compass/GB tires. I'm also a few 
years older. Bith Rivs beat the Giant. Me? Wind?

But my overall avapeeds were faster on the Giant with Gatorskins.

So I I dont understand it and cannot say for sure which bike with which version 
of components is faster.

I can say the Rivs are more comfy, better handling, and smoother than the Giant 
bike.

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Re: [RBW] Re: On tire supple-itude

[Ron Mc]

that would be more accurate than a dyno test on a tire, because there are a 
lot of road variables, including parachute factor, weight split between 
tires.  My go-fast bike will lunge up grades in tall gears (Open Paves) 
with a fairly gentle mash, and I would want a lower gear and spin on a 
different bike.  And yes, it's all about enjoying the ride.  Back to the 
Open Paves, they are a remarkably comfortable ride for 95 psi 27mm - they 
just don't last long, I get 600 mi from a rear.  

On Tuesday, March 29, 2016 at 2:06:59 PM UTC-5, Mark Reimer wrote:
>
> Would a suitable way of measuring this be testing tires with a power 
> meter? 
>
> IE: Same power output on the same stretch of road with the same wind 
> conditions, then compare speed between tires? 
>
> Or then again, who cares. Ride what makes you feel good :)
>
> On Tue, Mar 29, 2016 at 2:03 PM, Patrick Moore  > wrote:
>
>> I don't believe that this is nearly as true as claimed. At any rate, it 
>> certainly isn't my experience, which is instead ease of maintaining a given 
>> cadence in given conditions in given gears. In fact, my own "sense" of 
>> speed is much more tied to smoothness than vibration -- Elk Passes, Parigi 
>> Roubaix, F Freds, etc feel fast in part because they *don't* vibrate.
>>
>> [Close parenthesis.]
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 29, 2016 at 12:27 PM, Ron Mc > > wrote:
>>
>>> but most riders think the feel of road vibration = speed, hence the 
>>> desire to pump to max rated pressure.  I was specifically talking about two 
>>> different tires but both running well below rated pressure - no vibration 
>>> whatsoever and only one of them giving occasional shock - and yes, you know 
>>> for sure when you're trying to chase a tandem with two healthy riders.  
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Re: [RBW] Re: On tire supple-itude

[Mark Reimer]

Would a suitable way of measuring this be testing tires with a power meter?

IE: Same power output on the same stretch of road with the same wind
conditions, then compare speed between tires?

Or then again, who cares. Ride what makes you feel good :)

On Tue, Mar 29, 2016 at 2:03 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:

> I don't believe that this is nearly as true as claimed. At any rate, it
> certainly isn't my experience, which is instead ease of maintaining a given
> cadence in given conditions in given gears. In fact, my own "sense" of
> speed is much more tied to smoothness than vibration -- Elk Passes, Parigi
> Roubaix, F Freds, etc feel fast in part because they *don't* vibrate.
>
> [Close parenthesis.]
>
> On Tue, Mar 29, 2016 at 12:27 PM, Ron Mc  wrote:
>
>> but most riders think the feel of road vibration = speed, hence the
>> desire to pump to max rated pressure.  I was specifically talking about two
>> different tires but both running well below rated pressure - no vibration
>> whatsoever and only one of them giving occasional shock - and yes, you know
>> for sure when you're trying to chase a tandem with two healthy riders.
>> --
>>
>
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Re: OT: Re: [RBW] Re: On tire supple-itude

[Ron Mc]

good to break out to another thread.  I don't have to bill 40 hours to be 
profitable.  Also, my boss and I kind of tag-team, partly to cover our 
clients in diverse time zones, but also because I'm an early morning person 
and he's not.  It's great that I can drive the highway at the times when I 
choose, most of my clients are along the Gulf coast, and pretty much work 
my hours, anyway.  Though I've fielded work on my phone at 5am on Sunday 
mornings, and also from bike water stops - grin.  

On Tuesday, March 29, 2016 at 1:39:36 PM UTC-5, Jim Bronson wrote:
>
> That's a good idea.  I should bail out early to ride my bike, because 
> otherwise I have no time to ride my bike, what with a new baby and trying 
> to pack up the house to move.
>
> On Tue, Mar 29, 2016 at 1:35 PM, Ron Mc  
> wrote:
>
>> another datapoint is making the same route and checking your watch.  I 
>> have a long commute, get to my office crazy early and leave when I want (or 
>> when the work allows).  But I also have close access to two really nice 
>> greenways from my office, so I frequently bring the bike in and bail out to 
>> ride.  I have a standard 31-mi route I normally make in 2 hours including 
>> water stops.  If I cut 10 minutes from that, I know I'm going faster.  But 
>> I can tell you for sure, Strada Biancas are faster than Barlow ELs, but not 
>> that much faster, and the comfort of the Barlows more than makes up for the 
>> difference.  
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: On tire supple-itude

[Patrick Moore]

I don't believe that this is nearly as true as claimed. At any rate, it
certainly isn't my experience, which is instead ease of maintaining a given
cadence in given conditions in given gears. In fact, my own "sense" of
speed is much more tied to smoothness than vibration -- Elk Passes, Parigi
Roubaix, F Freds, etc feel fast in part because they *don't* vibrate.

[Close parenthesis.]

On Tue, Mar 29, 2016 at 12:27 PM, Ron Mc  wrote:

> but most riders think the feel of road vibration = speed, hence the desire
> to pump to max rated pressure.  I was specifically talking about two
> different tires but both running well below rated pressure - no vibration
> whatsoever and only one of them giving occasional shock - and yes, you know
> for sure when you're trying to chase a tandem with two healthy riders.
> --
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Re: [RBW] Bike lockers

[Eric Norris]

Probably a law enforcement request—they want to be able to see what’s under the 
clamshell.

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> 
> Saw these.
> Wonder why they don't want you to lock the case.
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[RBW] Re: Bike lockers

[Philip Kim]

probably because there will be other people's bikes as well, looks like it 
would be more for protection against weather. might also deter casual 
thieves, if they don't see what type of bikes are under it/if bikes are 
under it at all/etc.

On Tuesday, March 29, 2016 at 2:25:02 PM UTC-4, Lungimsam wrote:
>
> Saw these.
> Wonder why they don't want you to lock the case.

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[RBW] Re: Another Appaloosa Rider

[Shoji Takahashi]

Wonderful! Indeed, to new beginning and adventures with your trusty steel 
steed Athansor.

All the best to you, Eunice.
shoji



On Tuesday, March 29, 2016 at 1:02:35 AM UTC-4, Eunice Chang wrote:
>
> This one's named Athansor. A good, reliable, sturdy horse for new 
> beginnings and adventures :)
>
> Preliminary photos so far: (still thinking about how to build it up - 
> suggestions welcome!)
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/ejchang/albums/72157664228668683
>
> -E.
>
>
>
>
>
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OT: Re: [RBW] Re: On tire supple-itude

[Jim Bronson]

That's a good idea.  I should bail out early to ride my bike, because
otherwise I have no time to ride my bike, what with a new baby and trying
to pack up the house to move.

On Tue, Mar 29, 2016 at 1:35 PM, Ron Mc  wrote:

> another datapoint is making the same route and checking your watch.  I
> have a long commute, get to my office crazy early and leave when I want (or
> when the work allows).  But I also have close access to two really nice
> greenways from my office, so I frequently bring the bike in and bail out to
> ride.  I have a standard 31-mi route I normally make in 2 hours including
> water stops.  If I cut 10 minutes from that, I know I'm going faster.  But
> I can tell you for sure, Strada Biancas are faster than Barlow ELs, but not
> that much faster, and the comfort of the Barlows more than makes up for the
> difference.
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Re: [RBW] Bike lockers

[Jim Bronson]

"Please lock bike to inside center rail"

Is what I see on the case.

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> Saw these.
> Wonder why they don't want you to lock the case.
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[RBW] Re: On tire supple-itude

[Ron Mc]

another datapoint is making the same route and checking your watch.  I have 
a long commute, get to my office crazy early and leave when I want (or when 
the work allows).  But I also have close access to two really nice 
greenways from my office, so I frequently bring the bike in and bail out to 
ride.  I have a standard 31-mi route I normally make in 2 hours including 
water stops.  If I cut 10 minutes from that, I know I'm going faster.  But 
I can tell you for sure, Strada Biancas are faster than Barlow ELs, but not 
that much faster, and the comfort of the Barlows more than makes up for the 
difference.  

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Re: [RBW] Re: On tire supple-itude

[Jim Bronson]

That's true about the vibration.

One other way of gauging resistance is to note the perceived effort it
takes to sustain any given speed say 15 mph.

I've been riding supple tires since late 2007 but one metric that I noticed
right away when I switched from 700x28 Conti UltraGatorskins to Grand Bois
Cypress 700x30(labeled, 32ish inflated) was that the amount of effort it
took to sustain 20+ mph was much less, and the ride was better to boot.
And this was even with the GB aired up to the max sidewall PSI of 85.  If I
knew then what I know now I would put less air in them.

Of course the Gatorskin is one of the heavest rolling slick tires made, so
YMMV.

On Tue, Mar 29, 2016 at 1:27 PM, Ron Mc  wrote:

> but most riders think the feel of road vibration = speed, hence the desire
> to pump to max rated pressure.  I was specifically talking about two
> different tires but both running well below rated pressure - no vibration
> whatsoever and only one of them giving occasional shock - and yes, you know
> for sure when you're trying to chase a tandem with two healthy riders.
>
>
> On Tuesday, March 29, 2016 at 1:13:51 PM UTC-5, Lungimsam wrote:
>>
>> It is interesting to note that BQ riders in their tire or frame tests
>> (forgot which) did not accurately report  which tire or frame was faster.
>> Their objective impressions did not match the timer, iirc.
>>
>> Like, they claimed a certain tire or frame felt faster, when in fact, one
>> of the other ones they just rode during the test was faster, according to
>> the timer.
>>
>> From this, BQ concluded that the riders (in their study), could not
>> accurately say which frame/tire was faster.
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[RBW] Re: On tire supple-itude

[Ron Mc]

but most riders think the feel of road vibration = speed, hence the desire 
to pump to max rated pressure.  I was specifically talking about two 
different tires but both running well below rated pressure - no vibration 
whatsoever and only one of them giving occasional shock - and yes, you know 
for sure when you're trying to chase a tandem with two healthy riders.  

On Tuesday, March 29, 2016 at 1:13:51 PM UTC-5, Lungimsam wrote:
>
> It is interesting to note that BQ riders in their tire or frame tests 
> (forgot which) did not accurately report  which tire or frame was faster.
> Their objective impressions did not match the timer, iirc. 
>
> Like, they claimed a certain tire or frame felt faster, when in fact, one 
> of the other ones they just rode during the test was faster, according to 
> the timer.
>
> From this, BQ concluded that the riders (in their study), could not 
> accurately say which frame/tire was faster.
>
>

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[RBW] Another Appaloosa Rider

[Joe Bernard]

It's so pretty! I thought I would be more into the dark mustard color, but I'm 
really digging the blue. Happy riding!

Joe Bernard
Vallejo, CA.

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[RBW] FS Nitto Technomic 80mm x 26.0

[Frank Conway]

Sale pending.

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[RBW] Re: On tire supple-itude

[Lungimsam]

It is interesting to note that BQ riders in their tire or frame tests (forgot 
which) did not accurately report  which tire or frame was faster.
Their objective impressions did not match the timer, iirc. 

Like, they claimed a certain tire or frame felt faster, when in fact, one of 
the other ones they just rode during the test was faster, according to the 
timer.

>From this, BQ concluded that the riders (in their study), could not accurately 
>say which frame/tire was faster.

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[RBW] Re: On tire supple-itude

[Bill Lindsay]

Understood.  Thanks for that clarification.  That makes sense.  

On Tuesday, March 29, 2016 at 10:05:20 AM UTC-7, Ron Mc wrote:
>
> yeah, it's like, hey I'm riding with my hair on fire (see, Bill, I still 
> got hair)
>
> also, a really good qualitative test is chasing your long-time riding 
> buddy and his college-age daughter on their tandem.  
>
> On Tuesday, March 29, 2016 at 11:24:45 AM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>> " I admit it was notably faster on the SBs (and should be for the size 
>> difference),"
>>
>> Ron Mc,
>>
>> When you say the Strada Biancas are notably faster than Barlow Pass, do 
>> you mean objectively measured to be faster?  If so, what was your 
>> measurement method and what was the measured difference in speed?  Or do 
>> you mean they were subjectively faster?  Like "wow, these feel a lot 
>> faster", or "hey I used to ride this section in Gear X, and now I'm in Gear 
>> Y"?  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: FS last few items- Nitto R-14 rack, Acorn bag, Shopsack, Zefal pump, Wald basket w/cargo net and Tubus rack

[Bruce Smitham]

Update on items *SOLD*:

Acorn handlebar bag in olive. Very good condition and recently purchased 
from Drew in SF but sold the bike it was going on. $30 plus shipping
Nitto R-14 top rack. Cut stays to 27cm to fit 56cm Hillborne. Includes all 
hardware and stays plus P-clamps $105 plus shipping.
Sackville Shopsack medium in olive and great condition $45 plus shipping 
*SOLD*
Wald medium basket w/red cargo net in new condition $25 plus shipping *SOLD*
Zefal HPX No. 4frame pump. Fits gaps 50cm-56cm. Purchased from Riv and in 
great condition $30 plus shipping
Tubus Cargo Evo rear rack (black) in good condition. There are some 
scratches as documented in the pictures. $60 plus shipping


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> Pictures here: https://flic.kr/s/aHskxpTL1r 
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> Shipping CONUS.
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> Thanks,
>
> Bruce in San Diego
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[RBW] Re: On tire supple-itude

[Ron Mc]

yeah, it's like, hey I'm riding with my hair on fire (see, Bill, I still 
got hair)

also, a really good qualitative test is chasing your long-time riding buddy 
and his college-age daughter on their tandem.  

On Tuesday, March 29, 2016 at 11:24:45 AM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> " I admit it was notably faster on the SBs (and should be for the size 
> difference),"
>
> Ron Mc,
>
> When you say the Strada Biancas are notably faster than Barlow Pass, do 
> you mean objectively measured to be faster?  If so, what was your 
> measurement method and what was the measured difference in speed?  Or do 
> you mean they were subjectively faster?  Like "wow, these feel a lot 
> faster", or "hey I used to ride this section in Gear X, and now I'm in Gear 
> Y"?  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: On tire supple-itude

[Jim Bronson]

And is that compared to the regular Barlow or the Ultralight Barlow?

On Tue, Mar 29, 2016 at 11:24 AM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:

> " I admit it was notably faster on the SBs (and should be for the size
> difference),"
>
> Ron Mc,
>
> When you say the Strada Biancas are notably faster than Barlow Pass, do
> you mean objectively measured to be faster?  If so, what was your
> measurement method and what was the measured difference in speed?  Or do
> you mean they were subjectively faster?  Like "wow, these feel a lot
> faster", or "hey I used to ride this section in Gear X, and now I'm in Gear
> Y"?
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
>
> On Tuesday, March 29, 2016 at 7:47:28 AM UTC-7, Ron Mc wrote:
>>
>> Similar testimonial on Barlows.  I thought Strada Biancas were the
>> be-all, end-all tire.  After the best part of a year on Barlows, went back
>> to my fender bike that won't fit bigger than the 32mm, and while I admit it
>> was notably faster on the SBs (and should be for the size difference), the
>> ride was shocking compared to what I've become used to with the Barlows
>> (ditto for size difference).  I've ridden through tread on both tires, but
>> won't go back to a smaller tire on a bike that will fit Barlows.  Also not
>> saying the Barlows are slow, at all, because they are very fast, and I've
>> surprised many roadies with us passing each other back and forth.
>>
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[RBW] Re: Appaloosa Bullmoose Dirt Tourer

[Bob Ehrenbeck]

Love it -- nice job! 

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[RBW] Re: On tire supple-itude

[Bill Lindsay]

" I admit it was notably faster on the SBs (and should be for the size 
difference),"

Ron Mc,

When you say the Strada Biancas are notably faster than Barlow Pass, do you 
mean objectively measured to be faster?  If so, what was your measurement 
method and what was the measured difference in speed?  Or do you mean they 
were subjectively faster?  Like "wow, these feel a lot faster", or "hey I 
used to ride this section in Gear X, and now I'm in Gear Y"?  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Tuesday, March 29, 2016 at 7:47:28 AM UTC-7, Ron Mc wrote:
>
> Similar testimonial on Barlows.  I thought Strada Biancas were the be-all, 
> end-all tire.  After the best part of a year on Barlows, went back to my 
> fender bike that won't fit bigger than the 32mm, and while I admit it was 
> notably faster on the SBs (and should be for the size difference), the ride 
> was shocking compared to what I've become used to with the Barlows (ditto 
> for size difference).  I've ridden through tread on both tires, but won't 
> go back to a smaller tire on a bike that will fit Barlows.  Also not saying 
> the Barlows are slow, at all, because they are very fast, and I've 
> surprised many roadies with us passing each other back and forth.  
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Appaloosa Bullmoose Dirt Tourer

[Kieran J]

What tires are on there?

KJ


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> Long time listener, first time caller. Got my Appaloosa unboxed and built 
> yesterday afternoon. I had plenty of time to sit and ponder on what I 
> wanted this build to look like, and enough parts kicking around or on the 
> horizon that a few swaps from the stock build was easy. I'm over the moon 
> about this thing.
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[RBW] Re: Need Your Advice on Husband's Crazy Clem Idea

[John Phillips]

Drew, that is a very cool cup holder! Very Zen in its simplicity!

John

On Sunday, March 27, 2016 at 4:23:48 PM UTC-7, drew wrote:
>
> im all about the cup holder. i made mine more waldish, but i fully support 
> the idea. 
>
>
>
> 
>
> panama hats, paperboy hats, wooden crates... personal tastes aside, its 
> pretty cool that the clem is bringing out your husband's inner 
> child/weirdo.  more people should be so lucky.
>
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[RBW] Re: Appaloosa Bullmoose Dirt Tourer

[Deacon Patrick]

Ready to get dirty!

With abandon,
Patrick

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> about this thing.
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[RBW] Re: On tire supple-itude

[JohnS]

I recently bought a pair of standard Barlows from a list member and I'm 
very glad that I did. Last year I rode Paselas with tour guard. They worked 
fine and never had a flat, but I was always curious about the Compass 
tires, so I jumped when the were listed here a little while back. So far 
I've completed two rides and I've noticed a couple of unexpected 
differences from the Paselas. First is the cornering, hard to describe but 
seems to be me like going from a bias ply to radial. There isn't a 
transition from the belt so cornering seems more fluid. The second 
unexpected difference is that some road surfaces just seem smoother, as if 
I'm gliding over irregularities rather than being jarred by them. I would 
highly recommend giving a more supple tire a try, you may be surprised as 
well.

JohnS


On Tuesday, March 29, 2016 at 10:47:28 AM UTC-4, Ron Mc wrote:

> Similar testimonial on Barlows.  I thought Strada Biancas were the be-all, 
> end-all tire.  After the best part of a year on Barlows, went back to my 
> fender bike that won't fit bigger than the 32mm, and while I admit it was 
> notably faster on the SBs (and should be for the size difference), the ride 
> was shocking compared to what I've become used to with the Barlows (ditto 
> for size difference).  I've ridden through tread on both tires, but won't 
> go back to a smaller tire on a bike that will fit Barlows.  Also not saying 
> the Barlows are slow, at all, because they are very fast, and I've 
> surprised many roadies with us passing each other back and forth.  
>
>

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[RBW] Re: On tire supple-itude

[Kieran J]

Similar here, as well. I ran regular Barlows last summer and fall, and now 
again in the spring commuting on winter crud and debris-strewn downtown 
streets. Probably a couple thousand KM on what were already used tires. 
I've only had a single rear flat so far in owning them, which I feel is 
pretty darn good.

KJ


On Tuesday, March 29, 2016 at 10:47:28 AM UTC-4, Ron Mc wrote:
>
> Similar testimonial on Barlows.  I thought Strada Biancas were the be-all, 
> end-all tire.  After the best part of a year on Barlows, went back to my 
> fender bike that won't fit bigger than the 32mm, and while I admit it was 
> notably faster on the SBs (and should be for the size difference), the ride 
> was shocking compared to what I've become used to with the Barlows (ditto 
> for size difference).  I've ridden through tread on both tires, but won't 
> go back to a smaller tire on a bike that will fit Barlows.  Also not saying 
> the Barlows are slow, at all, because they are very fast, and I've 
> surprised many roadies with us passing each other back and forth.  
>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: MAP/Ahearne Bar Setup - Albatross - Soma Oxford - Nitto Stems

[David Banzer]

Updated list.

Soma Oxford Bar - Albatross clone in polished aluminum, shortened about 
1-1/2 inches, so no longer bar-end shifter compatible - $30 plus shipping

Nitto CT-80 Threadless Chromoly Stem - 11cm, 25.4mm, beautiful 
fillet-brazed stem - 
http://www.benscycle.com/p-2498-nitto-ct-80-chromoly-track-stem.aspx - $65 
shipped - I'll cover shipping

Nitto Technomic Standard Quill Stem - 11cm, 26.0mm, 225mm tall one, seen 
some use, polish it up if you may - $25 plus shipping (this is located in 
WA, so pickup not available on this one, nor shipping combined with other 
items)

Nitto Technomic Deluxe Quill Stem (not tallux, keeping that one instead) - 
12cm, 25.4mm clamp, 190 overall quill height - $50 plus shipping

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[RBW] Re: On tire supple-itude

[Ron Mc]

Similar testimonial on Barlows.  I thought Strada Biancas were the be-all, 
end-all tire.  After the best part of a year on Barlows, went back to my 
fender bike that won't fit bigger than the 32mm, and while I admit it was 
notably faster on the SBs (and should be for the size difference), the ride 
was shocking compared to what I've become used to with the Barlows (ditto 
for size difference).  I've ridden through tread on both tires, but won't 
go back to a smaller tire on a bike that will fit Barlows.  Also not saying 
the Barlows are slow, at all, because they are very fast, and I've 
surprised many roadies with us passing each other back and forth.  

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[RBW] Re: FS: Paul Centerpull Racer, Nitto R14, VP-001 Pedals, Dia-Compe ENE DT shifters, Sugino crankset, shimano BB un-55

[Philip Kim]

Pauls are recessed. Sorry!

On Tuesday, March 29, 2016 at 9:35:59 AM UTC-4, Philip Kim wrote:
>
>
>
> Paul Racers brakeset, silver, great condition a lot of miles still left - 
> $160 shipped
>
> Nitto R14 (without tombstone, brand new in packaging) - $115 shipped
>
> VP-001 Pedals (thin gripsters) in silver, brand new - $55 shipped
>
> Dia-Compe ENE DT shifters, brand new (installed on the bike and taken off) 
> - $45 shipped
>
> Sugino XD600 triple, 44/36/26, brand new (installed on the bike and taken 
> off), 165mm - $100 shipped
>
> Shimano UN55 110mm, brand new in box- $20 shipped
>
>
> Please message me off-list, I can provide pictures as well.
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Need Your Advice on Husband's Crazy Clem Idea

[Philip Williamson]

The box is awesome. I'd rock that. I'm a hose clamp guy, too. 

Philip
www.biketinker.com

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[RBW] Re: On tire supple-itude

[Mike in WA]

I rode Schwalbe Marathons for years, because I knew they were high-quality and 
tough and I was ignorant of alternatives. I also believed that high pressure = 
fast and ran the 33.33's at about 75-80 PSI. I used to live in a college town 
that was strewn with broken glass where I logged about 15,000 Rivendell miles. 
I would often have to pull little bits of ground glass out of the Marathon 
tread. After seeing some testimonials for Compass tires on the list, I had to 
see what this supple tire deal was about. 

I got about as many flats (hardly any) on Barlow Pass tires run at ≈40 PSI as I 
did with Marathons at 80 psi. When I put the Compass tires on it was like 
getting a new bike, with a much livelier and more comfortable ride. I was a 
bike-only commuter and feared the possibility of getting flats from road 
debris, but it never came to pass. I think this is because of the lower 
pressure I was very comfortably and capably running. That idea sounded like a 
wishful marketing pitch when I bought them, but just wanted to pass along an 
anecdotal piece of evidence to say that comfort and reliability aren't mutually 
exclusive.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Need Your Advice on Husband's Crazy Clem Idea

[Curtis McKenzie]

I feel that if doing something to your bicycle results in you riding more
then that something is okay.

Curtis "who just put a sticker on a fender" McKenzie

On Tue, Mar 29, 2016 at 6:57 AM, Philip Kim  wrote:

> that looks pretty cool, that cupholder is clutch too. echoing everyone
> else: i would put it on a rack and hose clamp it to the rack.
>
>
> On Sunday, March 27, 2016 at 6:15:24 PM UTC-4, LeahFoy wrote:
>>
>> You all surely remember my zany husband. You know, the one who got a Clem
>> solely because it "matched" my Betty Foy, even though his pile of junk
>> Target Schwinn "rode just fine". Well, I don't know what's come over him
>> exactly, but he has decided to start accessorizing ON HIS OWN. Which is why
>> I now turn to you. I told him, "We must make no decisions about our bikes
>> until we have consulted The List. How else would we know if this was a good
>> idea? We must never have any of our own ideas, and that you may tie to."
>> For reference, his Clem is a 52 cm. That's 700cc, right? Well, anyway, this
>> is what he wants on the front of his bike:
>> http://bamboobee.net/product/classic-wooden-crate/
>>
>> Don't try to convince him of a Nitto rack and Wald basket. It can only be
>> this bamboo contraption, which he thinks is an original and fabulous idea.
>> Has anyone ever done something like this on their bike? Thoughts? Other
>> suggestions (in the line of crates, I would say)?
>>
>> Oh, and he intends to ride his Clem around wearing something called a
>> Panama Hat. Or a Newsboy Hat. Just look them up. I really don't know what
>> this world is coming to.
>>
>> Jesus, be near!
>> Leah
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[RBW] Re: Need Your Advice on Husband's Crazy Clem Idea

[Philip Kim]

that looks pretty cool, that cupholder is clutch too. echoing everyone 
else: i would put it on a rack and hose clamp it to the rack.


On Sunday, March 27, 2016 at 6:15:24 PM UTC-4, LeahFoy wrote:
>
> You all surely remember my zany husband. You know, the one who got a Clem 
> solely because it "matched" my Betty Foy, even though his pile of junk 
> Target Schwinn "rode just fine". Well, I don't know what's come over him 
> exactly, but he has decided to start accessorizing ON HIS OWN. Which is why 
> I now turn to you. I told him, "We must make no decisions about our bikes 
> until we have consulted The List. How else would we know if this was a good 
> idea? We must never have any of our own ideas, and that you may tie to." 
> For reference, his Clem is a 52 cm. That's 700cc, right? Well, anyway, this 
> is what he wants on the front of his bike:  
> http://bamboobee.net/product/classic-wooden-crate/
>
> Don't try to convince him of a Nitto rack and Wald basket. It can only be 
> this bamboo contraption, which he thinks is an original and fabulous idea. 
> Has anyone ever done something like this on their bike? Thoughts? Other 
> suggestions (in the line of crates, I would say)?
>
> Oh, and he intends to ride his Clem around wearing something called a 
> Panama Hat. Or a Newsboy Hat. Just look them up. I really don't know what 
> this world is coming to.
>
> Jesus, be near!
> Leah
>
>

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Re: [RBW] FS last few items- Nitto R-14 rack, Acorn bag, Shopsack, Zefal pump, Wald basket w/cargo net and Tubus rack

[Bruce Smitham]

Hi Bill,

That's fine if you want to PayPal me $35 friends and family or cover any fees 
to wineh...@gmail.com

I'll get it out to you ASAP.

Cheers,

Bruce Smitham


 

> On Mar 29, 2016, at 4:54 AM, William R.  wrote:
> 
> Hi Bruce. I am in the market for a wald med basket with net. I'm all the way 
> over here on the east coast though. What do you think shipping would be? 
> Happy to pay up to $10 on top of the $25. Not sure if that is doable. I will 
> understand if you go with someone closer to home. Let me know.
> 
> Bill in Westchester, NY (10522 if you want to check cost)
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[RBW] Re: Appaloosa Bullmoose Dirt Tourer

[Philip Kim]

that bullmoose looks like a great bar. really digging the inverse thumbie 
mounts as well.

On Monday, March 28, 2016 at 1:41:55 AM UTC-4, Jonathan Neve wrote:
>
> Long time listener, first time caller. Got my Appaloosa unboxed and built 
> yesterday afternoon. I had plenty of time to sit and ponder on what I 
> wanted this build to look like, and enough parts kicking around or on the 
> horizon that a few swaps from the stock build was easy. I'm over the moon 
> about this thing.
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[RBW] FS: Paul Centerpull Racer, Nitto R14, VP-001 Pedals, Dia-Compe ENE DT shifters, Sugino crankset, shimano BB un-55

[Philip Kim]

Paul Racers brakeset, silver, great condition a lot of miles still left - 
$160 shipped

Nitto R14 (without tombstone, brand new in packaging) - $115 shipped

VP-001 Pedals (thin gripsters) in silver, brand new - $55 shipped

Dia-Compe ENE DT shifters, brand new (installed on the bike and taken off) 
- $45 shipped

Sugino XD600 triple, 44/36/26, brand new (installed on the bike and taken 
off), 165mm - $100 shipped

Shimano UN55 110mm, brand new in box- $20 shipped


Please message me off-list, I can provide pictures as well.


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[RBW] FS last few items- Nitto R-14 rack, Acorn bag, Shopsack, Zefal pump, Wald basket w/cargo net and Tubus rack

[William R.]

Hi Bruce. I am in the market for a wald med basket with net. I'm all the way 
over here on the east coast though. What do you think shipping would be? Happy 
to pay up to $10 on top of the $25. Not sure if that is doable. I will 
understand if you go with someone closer to home. Let me know.

Bill in Westchester, NY (10522 if you want to check cost)

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[RBW] Another Appaloosa Rider

[WETH]

That is a beautiful bike.  You look comfortable and happy riding it.  I look 
forward to seeing many photos of your adventures on this fabulous bike!
Enjoy!
Erl

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[RBW] FS Nitto Technomic 80mm x 26.0

[Frank Conway]

Brand new.  I found it was too long for my current bike.  Very light scuffing 
on the end that goes into the steerer tube.  I can send pics when I get home 
from work today.  $30 shipped to lower 48.

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[RBW] Sarasota Riv owners?

[Lungimsam]

Bump

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[RBW] What's the oldest post on this forum?

[Lungimsam]

Trying to search for some of the earliest posts.

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