[RBW] FS: 60cm Simpleone frameset (headset/bottom bracket installed)

[Rob H.]

My listing also. 60cm was just a little too big.

http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/bop/5526633388.html

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

[RBW] FS: Betty Foy frameset (55cm) and used wheelset (650b) and extra tires

[Rob H.]

My listing. Moving onto the Clementine. 

http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/bop/5526630082.html

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

[RBW] Re: FS: 61 cm Atlantis complete

[Dave C]

I would like to sell this Atlantis soon, and the price is reduced to $1800. 
I will box/ship if you cover those costs.

On Sunday, April 3, 2016 at 7:04:17 PM UTC-7, Dave C wrote:
>
> I have placed this up twice for sale, only to back away because I always 
> came up with a reason to not complete the deed. If you are interested, rest 
> assured, I have already committed myself to another bike and will not 
> change my mind. Someday, I will probably buy another one in a 58 cm size, 
> which is better for my intended use (off-road touring). The 61 cm is fine 
> for road, but once I put on fatter tires, I do not have the necessary 
> clearance for comfort on rutted roads. 
>
> Click on this link 
> 
>  
> to see a folder of pictures (some of them are taken prior to the rebuild, 
> so they have the old bar tape)
> 61 cm Rivendell Atlantis (2004-era), $1900 without the saddle
> Peter White-built wheels, Mavic 719/Deore hubs
> Sugino XD crankset, triple, new out/middle ring (inner is not used much)
> Nitto Noodle bar, 46 cm
> Shimano 600 headset
> New chain/new cassette (12-34)
> Velo Orange Grand Cru seat post
> Shimano cantilever brakes
> Panaracer Pasela 35 mm, tires, lots of life left (I have some Avocet 
> FasGrips on it right now in the pics since I put the Paselas on my wife's 
> Romulus a couple weeks ago, I will be putting them back on) OR I can put on 
> some Serfas 2.1" knobby tires I use for the dirt roads we have around here)
> MKS RMX/Sneaker pedals
>
>
> The Atlantis frameset costs $2300 new, and you can buy a complete one for 
> about $3000-$4000. I am selling this decade-old Atlantis for $1900 without 
> the saddle. I recently had the bike completely rebuilt, with a new bottom 
> bracket, new outer/middle chainrings, new cassette, new chain, new cable 
> and housing, new KoolStop salmon pads, newly overhauled headset and hubs, 
> and new bar tape.
>
> Mine has been used and loved, and has some scratches (no dents). There are 
> some scratches from chainsuck on the drive side chain stay. I use the 
> Atlantis to pull a trailer, so I have some black electric tape on the 
> non-drive side stays to protect the paint when I clamp the trailer hitch on 
> the bike.
>
> I will include a full bottle of the appropriate Testor's hobby paint when 
> I ship the bike so you can touch up whatever you like. During the next few 
> days, I will be cleaning and polishing up the bike, so if I have time I'll 
> remove the cranks and do it myself, but I can't make any promises. When I 
> get home from work, my wife wants a break from kid duty, not watching me 
> doing another bike project :)
>
> Be sure to refer to Rivendell's sizing charts to see if this will fit you. 
> I am 5'11", with a PBH of about 87-88 cm. That's in the lowest range of fit 
> for this bike, and if you plan on running bigger tires you should have a 
> PBH of about 88 or more.
>
> If you buy this and want it shipped, I will have it professionally packed 
> for $45 and shipped for the least expensive option we can find (packing and 
> shipping at your cost). If you want to pick it up, I live in Southern 
> California and work out a meet-up, although you are welcome to visit our 
> beautiful town of Wrightwood in the eastern San Gabriels.
>
> One other note: if you have wanted an Atlantis but in a different color, 
> this would be a perfect opportunity because you could get this one much 
> cheaper than a new one, and pay for your favorite paint job and still come 
> out WAY ahead money-wise. At least, that's what I would do in a similar 
> situation.
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

[RBW] Re: 56cm or 58cm Atlantis

['Jack' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I'll add to the chorus: I think a 56 will be too short for you. Get at 
least a 58. I'm just shy of 5' 10" with an 84cm PBH and 74cm saddle height. 
I have a 56cm Atlantis, it's a great bike but sometimes I wonder if I'd be 
better off with a 58. You're longer than I am, so I don't think a 56 would 
work for you.

On Friday, April 8, 2016 at 2:13:13 PM UTC-4, Ian Wilder wrote:

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

[RBW] FS Joe Appaloosa Drive Train

[James Valiensi]

Some parts sold.
I still have:
Deore rear derailleur, $40
Shimano front derailleur, $25
Shimano 12-36 9-sp cassette, $35
Shimano 110mm bottom bracket, $20

All prices are less shipping. All parts are new and have been taken off a Joe 
Appaloosa I got.

Thanks

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

Re: [RBW] 56cm or 58cm Atlantis

[Dave Johnston]

The 56cm uses 26" wheels while the 58cm uses 700c. The bigger wheel bike 
has a more stable ride because of this. 

Back when I bought mine fat 700c were uncommon and I wanted to be able to 
use a 2" tire so I wanted to have a 26" wheel touring bike. Nowadays, there 
are lots of choices in both sizes, but it might be something to consider. 

-Dave

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

[RBW] Re: FS: some old Bicycle Quarterly and Rivendell Readers

[Jim Bronson]

Sold.
On Apr 8, 2016 7:42 PM, jim.bron...@gmail.com wrote:

> BQ Volume 5 No 1-4
> BQ Volume 6 1-3
> BQ Summer 2008
> Rivendell Readers 38, 39
> A BQ postcard
>
> How about $10 plus actual shipping.  Shipping zip is 78714.
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

Re: [RBW] 56cm or 58cm Atlantis

[Elton Pope-Lance]

I’m 5’ 9 1/2”.  Drop bars = to 77.25cm saddle height (170 cranks) were dreamy.  
60cm Atlantis.  Wish I’d never sold it.

Are you listening Gino?

- Elton in Natick, MA

> On Apr 8, 2016, at 8:28 PM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
> 
> My SH is 75.5. I'm 5'10-1/2". I ride a 58cm Atlantis with Noodles and a 10cm 
> Technomic DLX and it is my most upright drop bar bike. I think 56 would be a 
> mistake. 
> 
> -- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "RBW Owners Bunch" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
> email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

[RBW] FW:

[Bill Lindsay]

APPROVE. Double APPROVE

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

[RBW] 56cm or 58cm Atlantis

[Bill Lindsay]

My SH is 75.5. I'm 5'10-1/2". I ride a 58cm Atlantis with Noodles and a 10cm 
Technomic DLX and it is my most upright drop bar bike. I think 56 would be a 
mistake. 

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

[RBW] Re: 56cm or 58cm Atlantis

[dougP]

Ian:

A follow-up comment to my previous post. When I bought my Atlantis, I went 
thru an entire sizing exercise with Rivendell to order a custom.  I have no 
odd proportions or bike fit problems.  It was a vanity thing.  At the end 
of the exercise, they said "you know, we'd just be building you an Atlantis 
with a few extra goodies.  How important are those goodies?".  

A few weeks later I was pulling a standard Atlantis build out of a shipping 
box.  Shortly after, I was riding the best fitting bike I've ever had.  
Prior to receiving my Atlantis, I had never seen a Rivendell in person.  
They know their stuff.  

Talk directly to the elves in Walnut Creek.  They have a huge reservoir of 
experience in these matters, and will put your interest first.  

dougP

On Friday, April 8, 2016 at 11:13:13 AM UTC-7, Ian Wilder wrote:
>
> Hey Folks,
>
> I'm thinking I'm finally in the market for an Atlantis! I am torn between 
> the 56 and the 58 size (story of my adult bike life). I would prefer a size 
> that allows me to comfortably set up albatross bars or drop bars. 
>
> I was wondering if anyone had any feed back for a rider with a PBH just 
> shy of 85cm, saddle height of 75cm or 76cm depending on the shoe, but an 
> actual height of 6'1". I am mostly torso!
>
> I am torn between the 56 and the 58 size (story of my adult bike life). I 
> would prefer a size that allows me to comfortably set up albatross bars or 
> drop bars. 
> For context, though I'm aware these geometries are not too similar: I've 
> had a 58cm Surly LHT set up with noodles that felt a bit long and a 56cm 
> Soma Wolverine that albatross bars felt a little crowded on.
>
> Wheels size is not a huge determining factor, mostly frame sizing.
>
> Anyone dealt with this dilemma? I'd have to call and confirm, but am very 
> tempted by the 56" that is shown as in stock on the website and also would 
> prefer to have a current geometry Atlantis, rather than the new "longer" 
> geometry (however, I'm not in the know on these details. Can anyone shed 
> light on the changes?)
>
> Thanks for the help!
>
> Ian Wilder
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

[RBW] Re: 56cm or 58cm Atlantis

[drew]

i agree that a 56 seems much too small.  i have the same pbh but am 
5'9-10ish and would ride a 56. i would think your longer torso/arms would 
want a slightly longer top tube to stretch out on. 56+albatross bars seems 
like it would have you very scrunched up. how short was the stem on the 
LHT+noodles?

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

[RBW] FW:

[WETH]

Well done, Tom. It looks fabulous!

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

[RBW] Re: 56cm or 58cm Atlantis

[Benz, Sunnyvale, CA]

A wide variety of torso and leg lengths here!

I too am short legged, so much so that Grant felt he had to measure my PBH 
twice to confirm. I'm 5'10" with a PBH of 81.0cm. I like my saddle slightly 
lower so it's usually at about 70.5cm. With these measurements, Grant 
suggested either a 53 or 54.5, depending on whether I will be "roughing 
it". I got the 53cm. As you can see 
 (<< clicky), mine has 
plenty of seatpost showing (especially considering the "tall" B17) and I 
have to use a longish 110 or 120mm stem. A 54.5cm would have also been 
fine, with a little less seatpost showing and a slightly shorter stem.

If we scale up the measurements, and you get a 56, you'll probably end up 
with a setup even "smaller" than mine (81-53=28; 85-56=29). So you may want 
to consider the 58cm. Looking at the geometry chart of the Atlantis 
, 
a 61cm may be at the cusp of crotch clearance, and the 58cm being just nice.



On Friday, April 8, 2016 at 11:13:13 AM UTC-7, Ian Wilder wrote:
>
> Hey Folks,
>
> I'm thinking I'm finally in the market for an Atlantis! I am torn between 
> the 56 and the 58 size (story of my adult bike life). I would prefer a size 
> that allows me to comfortably set up albatross bars or drop bars. 
>
> I was wondering if anyone had any feed back for a rider with a PBH just 
> shy of 85cm, saddle height of 75cm or 76cm depending on the shoe, but an 
> actual height of 6'1". I am mostly torso!
>
> I am torn between the 56 and the 58 size (story of my adult bike life). I 
> would prefer a size that allows me to comfortably set up albatross bars or 
> drop bars. 
> For context, though I'm aware these geometries are not too similar: I've 
> had a 58cm Surly LHT set up with noodles that felt a bit long and a 56cm 
> Soma Wolverine that albatross bars felt a little crowded on.
>
> Wheels size is not a huge determining factor, mostly frame sizing.
>
> Anyone dealt with this dilemma? I'd have to call and confirm, but am very 
> tempted by the 56" that is shown as in stock on the website and also would 
> prefer to have a current geometry Atlantis, rather than the new "longer" 
> geometry (however, I'm not in the know on these details. Can anyone shed 
> light on the changes?)
>
> Thanks for the help!
>
> Ian Wilder
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

[RBW] Re: FW:

[Will]

It's so nice! 

I'm guessing you have a sophisicated, well heeled, audience...

On Friday, April 8, 2016 at 5:00:23 PM UTC-5, Pudge wrote:
>
> Finished – just in time! – a Clementine build for my daughter's school 
> charity auction – a few pics are below.  
>
>  
>
> This really does have to be the most flexible frameset ever.  This build 
> is a little goofy for a Rivendell, but by now I think I know the audience, 
> and this should attract some bidding attention.  And even with the goofy 
> pieces, I think it still looks great.  I can guarantee that it rides great.
>
>  
>
> It's a 52cm in Aqua, bought as a whole bike from John at Rivelo.  I 
> changed the saddle (obviously!) to a flashy-colored cruiser-y Electra, and 
> the tires to cream Hetres (which made the fendering much easier), then 
> added the Aqua Brooks Slender grips, a tasty Electra ding-dong bell, a 
> Nantucket bike basket, and VO Zeppelin fenders.  I hope this doesn't get me 
> kicked out of the group!
>
>  
>
> Rivendell Clementine -- 2016 Auction Bike 
> 
>
>  
>
>  
>
> [image: Text Box:]
>
> Rivendell Clementine -- 2016 Auction Bike 
>
>  
>
> --
>
>
> The sender of this email is a retired partner of Skadden Arps and is not 
> performing legal service on behalf of Skadden, Arps, Slate, Meagher & Flom 
> LLP & Affiliates. Use by a retired partner of the skadden.com or 
> probonolaw.com domain names is in his/her personal capacity and not on 
> behalf of Skadden, Arps, Slate, Meagher & Flom LLP & Affiliates.
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

RE: [RBW] Re: 56cm or 58cm Atlantis

[Allingham II, Thomas J. (Retired Partner)]

I'm barely 6 feet, with an 87 PBH, and I ride a 61 Atlantis comfortably on 
~50mm Marathon Supremes.  Albatross cockpit.

From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Minh
Sent: Friday, April 08, 2016 3:27 PM
To: RBW Owners Bunch
Subject: [RBW] Re: 56cm or 58cm Atlantis

I don't have my measurements handy, but at 6" i would lean towards a 58" 
myself--and i could get away on a 60.   Riv tends to size big, especially in 
the last few years with all of the handlebars that have reach farther back.  if 
you are planning to use drops and want a more forward position than maybe the 
smaller size but that's not really the direction riv have been taking their 
bikes.

if you're not in California, put a call out to the list for potential 
test-rides, even if you can't test ride an Atlantis, riding another Riv will be 
a good data-point to help you size for an Atlantis.

On Friday, April 8, 2016 at 2:13:13 PM UTC-4, Ian Wilder wrote:
Hey Folks,

I'm thinking I'm finally in the market for an Atlantis! I am torn between the 
56 and the 58 size (story of my adult bike life). I would prefer a size that 
allows me to comfortably set up albatross bars or drop bars.

I was wondering if anyone had any feed back for a rider with a PBH just shy of 
85cm, saddle height of 75cm or 76cm depending on the shoe, but an actual height 
of 6'1". I am mostly torso!

I am torn between the 56 and the 58 size (story of my adult bike life). I would 
prefer a size that allows me to comfortably set up albatross bars or drop bars.
For context, though I'm aware these geometries are not too similar: I've had a 
58cm Surly LHT set up with noodles that felt a bit long and a 56cm Soma 
Wolverine that albatross bars felt a little crowded on.

Wheels size is not a huge determining factor, mostly frame sizing.

Anyone dealt with this dilemma? I'd have to call and confirm, but am very 
tempted by the 56" that is shown as in stock on the website and also would 
prefer to have a current geometry Atlantis, rather than the new "longer" 
geometry (however, I'm not in the know on these details. Can anyone shed light 
on the changes?)

Thanks for the help!

Ian Wilder
--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to 
rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to 
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.




The sender of this email is a retired partner of Skadden Arps and is not 
performing legal service on behalf of Skadden, Arps, Slate, Meagher & Flom LLP 
& Affiliates. Use by a retired partner of the skadden.com or probonolaw.com 
domain names is in his/her personal capacity and not on behalf of Skadden, 
Arps, Slate, Meagher & Flom LLP & Affiliates.

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

Re: [RBW] First S24O of 2016, and first on my Appaloosa, tonight!

[Joe Broach]

Hey Bill,

I've solved the third cage/fender interference several times in my mind,
but so far always just as an academic exercise. Either a cage with slotted
mounts (mostly ugly), or something like this
,
or roll your own adapter with aluminum stock/3D printing. Of course, it
occurs to me that if I've thought of those, you've probably thought of
something cooler already. Please report back.

Nice work on the S24OwK!

Best,
joe
pdx or

On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:53 AM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:

> My 14 year old son is on Spring Break, and one of the things he wanted to
> do was go on an S24O.  I'm leaving the office early, and we'll ride ~28
> miles from home in El Cerrito to Lake Chabot Regional Park.  Tomorrow
> morning we'll get up, break camp and ride the ~15miles down through Castro
> Valley to my office in Union City.  I'll keep him busy in the lab during
> the workday Friday.
>
> Me: 55cm Joe Appaloosa.  Him: 52cm Yves Gomez.  I'll be running most of
> the cargo, with a Nitto Big Front Rack, Sackville Backabike panniers (on
> the front) a Wald big basket, and a Sackville Saddlesack Medium (no rear
> rack).  He'll have a Platrack and a Sackville Slickersack setup.
>
> One sub-optimal finding is that I've found that I don't have a water
> bottle small enough to fit into an Iris cage in the third position under
> the downtube.  The smallest bottles I have still hit the fender (P65).
> There's water at the campsite, so I'm not going to worry about it tonight,
> but I do want to be able to run three bottles someday.  Maybe I can tweak
> the fender position.  Maybe a different cage will position the bottle
> lower.  Etc.
>
> Wish us luck!  Our in the tent passtime will be:  Cribbage!
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> --
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups
> "RBW Owners Bunch" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an
> email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

RE: [RBW] Re: FW:

[Allingham II, Thomas J. (Retired Partner)]

Thanks.  But the housing was totally coincidental.

From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tony DeFilippo
Sent: Friday, April 08, 2016 6:19 PM
To: RBW Owners Bunch
Cc: talli...@yahoo.com
Subject: [RBW] Re: FW:

Nice looking bike Tom, I particularly like how the cable housing 'hugs' the 
wicker basket!
--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to 
rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to 
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.




The sender of this email is a retired partner of Skadden Arps and is not 
performing legal service on behalf of Skadden, Arps, Slate, Meagher & Flom LLP 
& Affiliates. Use by a retired partner of the skadden.com or probonolaw.com 
domain names is in his/her personal capacity and not on behalf of Skadden, 
Arps, Slate, Meagher & Flom LLP & Affiliates.

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

[RBW] Re: FW:

[Daniel D.]

that saddle looks so right on there.

On Friday, April 8, 2016 at 3:00:23 PM UTC-7, Pudge wrote:
>
>
>
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

[RBW] Re: FW:

[Tony DeFilippo]

Nice looking bike Tom, I particularly like how the cable housing 'hugs' the 
wicker basket!

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

[RBW] FW:

[Allingham II, Thomas J. (Retired Partner)]

Finished – just in time! – a Clementine build for my daughter's school charity 
auction – a few pics are below.

This really does have to be the most flexible frameset ever.  This build is a 
little goofy for a Rivendell, but by now I think I know the audience, and this 
should attract some bidding attention.  And even with the goofy pieces, I think 
it still looks great.  I can guarantee that it rides great.

It's a 52cm in Aqua, bought as a whole bike from John at Rivelo.  I changed the 
saddle (obviously!) to a flashy-colored cruiser-y Electra, and the tires to 
cream Hetres (which made the fendering much easier), then added the Aqua Brooks 
Slender grips, a tasty Electra ding-dong bell, a Nantucket bike basket, and VO 
Zeppelin fenders.  I hope this doesn't get me kicked out of the group!

Rivendell Clementine -- 2016 Auction 
Bike

[cid:image001.jpg@01D191BF.EF0F8D90]

[Text Box:]


[https://s.yimg.com/nq/storm/assets/enhancrV2/23/logos/flickr.png]

Rivendell Clementine -- 2016 Auction Bike








The sender of this email is a retired partner of Skadden Arps and is not 
performing legal service on behalf of Skadden, Arps, Slate, Meagher & Flom LLP 
& Affiliates. Use by a retired partner of the skadden.com or probonolaw.com 
domain names is in his/her personal capacity and not on behalf of Skadden, 
Arps, Slate, Meagher & Flom LLP & Affiliates.

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

Re: [RBW] Re: Anyone using Compass centerpulls on thie Rivendell?

['Tim' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Thanks for the great suggestions everyone. Jan, it is the front brake.  I wrote 
Mitch at MAP and BQ. Theo (from BQ for those who don't know) and Mitch both 
answered me very quickly. Mitch was kind enough to file a set of washers for me 
and he just sent them today with my decaleur (just back from being chromed) and 
Berthoud handlebar bag. But before installing them I'm going to try riding in 
the rain with some good hard braking. I'll post here with what works. Also, I 
just want to say how great it is to do business with folks like Mitch, BQ and 
Rivendell. 

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

Re: [RBW] Re: Anyone using Compass centerpulls on thie Rivendell?

[Steve Palincsar]

I have bolt-on RAIDs on my Kogswell P/R.  The back brake does squeal 
sometimes.  To fix, I squirt the rim with water from a water bottle, 
then go ride a bit with the brake on.  I believe what's happening is oil 
or something like it (handling the rim changing a flat tire will induce 
it for sure, so maybe chain oil or finger oil) gets on the rim in 
places; wetting the rim and running the wheel with the brake on wipes 
the oil off.


I've also found that having the brake pad at an angle vertically with 
respect to the brake track will cause squealing, and that's one degree 
of freedom that is definitely present with the Mafac design.


On 04/08/2016 04:21 PM, Jan Heine wrote:
Tim, sorry to hear that your Compass brakes are squealing so much. We 
are trying to figure out why they are totally silent on most bikes 
after a short break-in, but squeal persistently on a very small number 
of bikes. We have a few hypotheses that we are testing. It's a bit 
hard, since none of our bikes squeal - but we live in rainy Seattle. 
And we never use our rear brakes except when we encounter very slick 
roads. You can read about why using the rear brake doesn't help 
slowing down here 
. (https://janheine.wordpress.com/2013/08/23/how-to-brake-on-a-bicycle/) 



So my question: Is it the front or the rear that is squealing?

My first remedy would be as suggested by another reader: Get the rims 
wet, and then brake very hard. Don't hesitate - if you have decent 
tires, apply the front brake very hard. Of course, brace yourself as 
described in the article above. It's a good skill to practice, and in 
99% of the cases, it'll quieten your front brake totally.


If that doesn't help, I second Will's suggestion to file the washers. 
That way, you'll get a permanent solution, as the toe-in will remain 
set even after changing pads. So you won't have to fiddle with it ever 
again. If you mess up, the washers are available and don't cost much.


You can also file the pads, but the drawback is that you'll have to do 
it again every time you change the brake pads. And you have to remove 
more material - the washers just need very little removed to get a 
toe-in of about 1 mm at the front of the pad (i.e., the rear of the 
pad should be 1 mm clear of the rim). If you file too much, and get up 
to 4 mm, it's not a problem. But filing the pads also is an option.


One good thing about centerpulls compared to cantis is that pad wear 
doesn't bring back the squeal, as the pads wear parallel to the rim. 
Cantis see a lot of fork blade twist, and so their pads lose their 
toe-in as they wear.


Brake squeal is very annoying - I recall a number of /Bicycle 
Quarterly/ test bikes with various Paul brakes that had persistent 
squeal. However, their squeal has a higher pitch, so it's not quite as 
annoying... I hope you'll resolve the issue soon. If not, don't 
hesitate to contact me, and we'll work with you on this. I know that 
your bike can be silent, and that is how it should be!


Jan Heine
Compass Bicycles Ltd.
www.compasscycle.com 

On Wednesday, April 6, 2016 at 8:27:47 AM UTC+9, Tim wrote:

Not to hijack the thread but...I just got my custom MAP with
Compass centerpulls and I have a question. Will the front break
stop squealing like a banshee after they break in a bit?!?!? I'm
using them with HED Belgium 650b rims (brand new). I've only been
riding it about a week. Probably around 100 miles. With light
pressure there is no noise but with moderate to hard pressure they
squeal so loud that they turn heads. It's been like that from the
get go. It really kind of sucks. Any ideas?

--


--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

[RBW] FS: Lumotec IQ Cyo N Plus LED Headlight

[Eric Norris]

Very nice headlight that I took off my Quickbeam as part of a headlight shuffle 
that started with the arrival of a new IQ-X for my Alex Singer.

Basically the same as an Edelux, with a plastic housing. Very bright, with a 
nice beam pattern. 27-inch wire with connectors on the end for a Schmidt hub is 
long enough for fork or fork crown mounting. 

$55 shipped in the USA.

Photo here: https://flic.kr/p/G3X3K3 

--Eric Norris
campyonly...@me.com
www.campyonly.com
campyonlyguy.blogspot.com

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

Re: [RBW] Re: Anyone using Compass centerpulls on thie Rivendell?

[Jan Heine]

Tim, sorry to hear that your Compass brakes are squealing so much. We are 
trying to figure out why they are totally silent on most bikes after a 
short break-in, but squeal persistently on a very small number of bikes. We 
have a few hypotheses that we are testing. It's a bit hard, since none of 
our bikes squeal - but we live in rainy Seattle. And we never use our rear 
brakes except when we encounter very slick roads. You can read about why 
using the rear brake doesn't help slowing down here 
. 
(https://janheine.wordpress.com/2013/08/23/how-to-brake-on-a-bicycle/)

So my question: Is it the front or the rear that is squealing?

My first remedy would be as suggested by another reader: Get the rims wet, 
and then brake very hard. Don't hesitate - if you have decent tires, apply 
the front brake very hard. Of course, brace yourself as described in the 
article above. It's a good skill to practice, and in 99% of the cases, 
it'll quieten your front brake totally.

If that doesn't help, I second Will's suggestion to file the washers. That 
way, you'll get a permanent solution, as the toe-in will remain set even 
after changing pads. So you won't have to fiddle with it ever again. If you 
mess up, the washers are available and don't cost much.

You can also file the pads, but the drawback is that you'll have to do it 
again every time you change the brake pads. And you have to remove more 
material - the washers just need very little removed to get a toe-in of 
about 1 mm at the front of the pad (i.e., the rear of the pad should be 1 
mm clear of the rim). If you file too much, and get up to 4 mm, it's not a 
problem. But filing the pads also is an option.

One good thing about centerpulls compared to cantis is that pad wear 
doesn't bring back the squeal, as the pads wear parallel to the rim. Cantis 
see a lot of fork blade twist, and so their pads lose their toe-in as they 
wear.

Brake squeal is very annoying - I recall a number of *Bicycle Quarterly* 
test bikes with various Paul brakes that had persistent squeal. However, 
their squeal has a higher pitch, so it's not quite as annoying... I hope 
you'll resolve the issue soon. If not, don't hesitate to contact me, and 
we'll work with you on this. I know that your bike can be silent, and that 
is how it should be!

Jan Heine
Compass Bicycles Ltd.
www.compasscycle.com

On Wednesday, April 6, 2016 at 8:27:47 AM UTC+9, Tim wrote:
>
> Not to hijack the thread but...I just got my custom MAP with Compass 
> centerpulls and I have a question. Will the front break stop squealing like 
> a banshee after they break in a bit?!?!? I'm using them with HED Belgium 
> 650b rims (brand new). I've only been riding it about a week. Probably 
> around 100 miles. With light pressure there is no noise but with moderate 
> to hard pressure they squeal so loud that they turn heads. It's been like 
> that from the get go. It really kind of sucks. Any ideas?

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

[RBW] Re: First S24O of 2016, and first on my Appaloosa, tonight!

[Bill Lindsay]

Thanks Manny.  We did fine.  We probably could have used some insect 
repellent, but whatever.  The rain didn't start until after we'd broken 
camp, so that was fortunate.  We did the bacon-wrapped sausage dinner, so 
you were with us in spirit.  

Rules #5, #9, and #10 were in effect.  The Appaloosa weighed in at 72lbs, 
and it did great.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Thursday, April 7, 2016 at 2:07:29 PM UTC-7, Manuel Acosta wrote:
>
> Give me a call if you guys need anything I'm literally down the street on 
> chabot road.
>
> You should still have my number...
>
>
>
>
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

[RBW] Re: 56cm or 58cm Atlantis

[dougP]

Ian:

Your PBH & saddle height are same as mine, but I am 5'-10", and have been 
riding a 58 cm Atlantis with 10 cm stem since '03.  According to Rivs 
sizing charts I'm in the overlap between 56 & 58. I have briefly ridden a 
56 and it felt fine.  I've also briefly ridden a 61 (next size up) and felt 
a bit stretched out.  I rode mine with Noodles until switching to upright 
bars a couple of years ago, and use the same 10 cm stem.  I briefly tried 
Albas & On One Marys but did not care for the hand position.  

>From your description of having a long torso, I suggest the 58 cm would 
make a good fit.  Much will depend on your choice of bars & preferred 
riding position, but my guess is with a long torso the 56 would need a 
longer stem.  Keep in mind what tires you prefer as well.  Nice big chubby 
tires will raise the standover.  I recently put 45 mm Marathon Mondials on 
and that is about the max tire that is personally comfortable for 
standover.  

Good luck, and keep in mind that either size can be made to work.  I just 
think the 58 cm would take less fiddling.

dougP

On Friday, April 8, 2016 at 11:13:13 AM UTC-7, Ian Wilder wrote:
>
> Hey Folks,
>
> I'm thinking I'm finally in the market for an Atlantis! I am torn between 
> the 56 and the 58 size (story of my adult bike life). I would prefer a size 
> that allows me to comfortably set up albatross bars or drop bars. 
>
> I was wondering if anyone had any feed back for a rider with a PBH just 
> shy of 85cm, saddle height of 75cm or 76cm depending on the shoe, but an 
> actual height of 6'1". I am mostly torso!
>
> I am torn between the 56 and the 58 size (story of my adult bike life). I 
> would prefer a size that allows me to comfortably set up albatross bars or 
> drop bars. 
> For context, though I'm aware these geometries are not too similar: I've 
> had a 58cm Surly LHT set up with noodles that felt a bit long and a 56cm 
> Soma Wolverine that albatross bars felt a little crowded on.
>
> Wheels size is not a huge determining factor, mostly frame sizing.
>
> Anyone dealt with this dilemma? I'd have to call and confirm, but am very 
> tempted by the 56" that is shown as in stock on the website and also would 
> prefer to have a current geometry Atlantis, rather than the new "longer" 
> geometry (however, I'm not in the know on these details. Can anyone shed 
> light on the changes?)
>
> Thanks for the help!
>
> Ian Wilder
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

Re: [RBW] Re: 56cm or 58cm Atlantis

[Mark Wilkins]

Just another data point:

I'm 5'10"-ish, 90-ish PBH, and I ride a 61 Atlantis.  This gives me a
fistful of seatpost, and I run Albastache bars on a shorter stem
(50cm?).

I'm pretty comfortable on this, but could probably do a 58 just as
well.  I think there is only 0.5cm difference in top-tube length
between the 58 and 61...at least, there used to be.  It probably
depends on the vintage.

The biggest issue might be standover clearance, as I (and my 90 PBH)
don't have a great deal to spare with the Little Big Bens on my bike.
If your PBH is 85, you'd really be cutting it close on a 61.

Mark


On Fri, Apr 8, 2016 at 3:26 PM, Minh  wrote:
> I don't have my measurements handy, but at 6" i would lean towards a 58"
> myself--and i could get away on a 60.   Riv tends to size big, especially in
> the last few years with all of the handlebars that have reach farther back.
> if you are planning to use drops and want a more forward position than maybe
> the smaller size but that's not really the direction riv have been taking
> their bikes.
>
> if you're not in California, put a call out to the list for potential
> test-rides, even if you can't test ride an Atlantis, riding another Riv will
> be a good data-point to help you size for an Atlantis.
>
>
> On Friday, April 8, 2016 at 2:13:13 PM UTC-4, Ian Wilder wrote:
>>
>> Hey Folks,
>>
>> I'm thinking I'm finally in the market for an Atlantis! I am torn between
>> the 56 and the 58 size (story of my adult bike life). I would prefer a size
>> that allows me to comfortably set up albatross bars or drop bars.
>>
>> I was wondering if anyone had any feed back for a rider with a PBH just
>> shy of 85cm, saddle height of 75cm or 76cm depending on the shoe, but an
>> actual height of 6'1". I am mostly torso!
>>
>> I am torn between the 56 and the 58 size (story of my adult bike life). I
>> would prefer a size that allows me to comfortably set up albatross bars or
>> drop bars.
>> For context, though I'm aware these geometries are not too similar: I've
>> had a 58cm Surly LHT set up with noodles that felt a bit long and a 56cm
>> Soma Wolverine that albatross bars felt a little crowded on.
>>
>> Wheels size is not a huge determining factor, mostly frame sizing.
>>
>> Anyone dealt with this dilemma? I'd have to call and confirm, but am very
>> tempted by the 56" that is shown as in stock on the website and also would
>> prefer to have a current geometry Atlantis, rather than the new "longer"
>> geometry (however, I'm not in the know on these details. Can anyone shed
>> light on the changes?)
>>
>> Thanks for the help!
>>
>> Ian Wilder
>
> --
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups
> "RBW Owners Bunch" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an
> email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

[RBW] Best advice for securing bikes in a garage

[BenG]

Hi Justin,
I didn't catch what kind of car door you have, but if it's the only entry, 
maybe you could secure the bikes (and the other contents) by locking down the 
door. The floor lug idea sounds promising; maybe apply that to the door and be 
done with it. One item to lock (or lock two doors to a floor lug and a top lug 
if it's an old swing-open style garage), and all's secure.  If you have to rely 
on memory to lock something, might as well secure everything while you're at it.
Congrats on the house! It's good for my jealous heart to read of some 
challenges in Bay area living. Glad you're conquering them.

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

[RBW] Re: 56cm or 58cm Atlantis

[Minh]

I don't have my measurements handy, but at 6" i would lean towards a 58" 
myself--and i could get away on a 60.   Riv tends to size big, especially 
in the last few years with all of the handlebars that have reach farther 
back.  if you are planning to use drops and want a more forward position 
than maybe the smaller size but that's not really the direction riv have 
been taking their bikes. 

if you're not in California, put a call out to the list for potential 
test-rides, even if you can't test ride an Atlantis, riding another Riv 
will be a good data-point to help you size for an Atlantis.

On Friday, April 8, 2016 at 2:13:13 PM UTC-4, Ian Wilder wrote:
>
> Hey Folks,
>
> I'm thinking I'm finally in the market for an Atlantis! I am torn between 
> the 56 and the 58 size (story of my adult bike life). I would prefer a size 
> that allows me to comfortably set up albatross bars or drop bars. 
>
> I was wondering if anyone had any feed back for a rider with a PBH just 
> shy of 85cm, saddle height of 75cm or 76cm depending on the shoe, but an 
> actual height of 6'1". I am mostly torso!
>
> I am torn between the 56 and the 58 size (story of my adult bike life). I 
> would prefer a size that allows me to comfortably set up albatross bars or 
> drop bars. 
> For context, though I'm aware these geometries are not too similar: I've 
> had a 58cm Surly LHT set up with noodles that felt a bit long and a 56cm 
> Soma Wolverine that albatross bars felt a little crowded on.
>
> Wheels size is not a huge determining factor, mostly frame sizing.
>
> Anyone dealt with this dilemma? I'd have to call and confirm, but am very 
> tempted by the 56" that is shown as in stock on the website and also would 
> prefer to have a current geometry Atlantis, rather than the new "longer" 
> geometry (however, I'm not in the know on these details. Can anyone shed 
> light on the changes?)
>
> Thanks for the help!
>
> Ian Wilder
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

[RBW] Re: 56cm or 58cm Atlantis

[Justin August]

Just from my experience you should be on a 58 or 60cm Atlantis. I am 
~2inches shorter, with a saddle height around 73cm (with 170mm cranks) and 
was fitted to a 58cm Atlantis once at Riv. It rode BIG but I could have 
made it work if need be. I would definitely see if there's some Atlantii to 
try and test-fit in your general vicinity before pulling the trigger.

And as always, Ask Riv - they won't steer you wrong.

-Justin

On Friday, April 8, 2016 at 11:13:13 AM UTC-7, Ian Wilder wrote:
>
> Hey Folks,
>
> I'm thinking I'm finally in the market for an Atlantis! I am torn between 
> the 56 and the 58 size (story of my adult bike life). I would prefer a size 
> that allows me to comfortably set up albatross bars or drop bars. 
>
> I was wondering if anyone had any feed back for a rider with a PBH just 
> shy of 85cm, saddle height of 75cm or 76cm depending on the shoe, but an 
> actual height of 6'1". I am mostly torso!
>
> I am torn between the 56 and the 58 size (story of my adult bike life). I 
> would prefer a size that allows me to comfortably set up albatross bars or 
> drop bars. 
> For context, though I'm aware these geometries are not too similar: I've 
> had a 58cm Surly LHT set up with noodles that felt a bit long and a 56cm 
> Soma Wolverine that albatross bars felt a little crowded on.
>
> Wheels size is not a huge determining factor, mostly frame sizing.
>
> Anyone dealt with this dilemma? I'd have to call and confirm, but am very 
> tempted by the 56" that is shown as in stock on the website and also would 
> prefer to have a current geometry Atlantis, rather than the new "longer" 
> geometry (however, I'm not in the know on these details. Can anyone shed 
> light on the changes?)
>
> Thanks for the help!
>
> Ian Wilder
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

[RBW] 56cm or 58cm Atlantis

[Ian Wilder]

Hey Folks,

I'm thinking I'm finally in the market for an Atlantis! I am torn between 
the 56 and the 58 size (story of my adult bike life). I would prefer a size 
that allows me to comfortably set up albatross bars or drop bars. 

I was wondering if anyone had any feed back for a rider with a PBH just shy 
of 85cm, saddle height of 75cm or 76cm depending on the shoe, but an actual 
height of 6'1". I am mostly torso!

I am torn between the 56 and the 58 size (story of my adult bike life). I 
would prefer a size that allows me to comfortably set up albatross bars or 
drop bars. 
For context, though I'm aware these geometries are not too similar: I've 
had a 58cm Surly LHT set up with noodles that felt a bit long and a 56cm 
Soma Wolverine that albatross bars felt a little crowded on.

Wheels size is not a huge determining factor, mostly frame sizing.

Anyone dealt with this dilemma? I'd have to call and confirm, but am very 
tempted by the 56" that is shown as in stock on the website and also would 
prefer to have a current geometry Atlantis, rather than the new "longer" 
geometry (however, I'm not in the know on these details. Can anyone shed 
light on the changes?)

Thanks for the help!

Ian Wilder

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

[RBW] Re: Hat quest

[William deRosset]

I figured that when the hat came off, it would swing back and ride behind 
> me in the wind. What actually happened when it popped off was it swung 
> forward and covered my face neatly blocking all view. Scary moment...


Dear 'Hog,

Got the Skywalker special blast-shield edition, you did? To See, Force you 
must use, hmm? 

Best,

Will
William M. deRosset
Fort Collins, CO

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

[RBW] Re: Low-Profile Canti Recommendation.

[Lungimsam]

"Crashed" is used.

Cant always see the damage. Seller might not disclose any abuse the parts went 
through.

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

[RBW] Re: First S24O of 2016, and first on my Appaloosa, tonight!

[Lungimsam]

Patrick has it right. Dehydrated water is the way to go. Instant water is 
great, too.
Dont worry about unscrupulous sellers, though.

If it takes more than 16 oz. of water to rehydrate a 16 oz. packet, then you 
know you have been ripped off.

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

[RBW] Re: First S24O of 2016, and first on my Appaloosa, tonight!

[iamkeith]

Great idea - have fun on your trip.  I just got back from 6 wonderful days 
in the desert with my kids, for their spring break.  Don't forget to have 
your son leave his cell phone at home, if he has one.  ;-)

Interesting about the bottle not fitting.  Do you think the 58 or bigger 
frames would have the same problem?

Here's a picture of the bottle cages in my maxed-out touring setup, which 
might work for  you.  3rd position is a mini version of the Nitto "R" cage, 
sized to take a small, store bought water  bottle, which is just slightly 
smaller than a standard size bike bottle, as you can see.   I think I got 
got this from Ben's cycle several years ago.  Not cheap, but does the trick 
AND holds a beer bottle:  

http://www.benscycle.com/p-2885-nitto-stainless-steel-500ml-water-bottle-cage.aspx






-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

[RBW] Re: First S24O of 2016, and first on my Appaloosa, tonight!

[Deacon Patrick]

Easy solution for the water dilemma: dehydrated water. Just be sure not to 
purchase from an unscrupulous supplier. They just sell air.

With abandon,
Patrick

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

[RBW] Re: Low-Profile Canti Recommendation.

[Philip Kim]

this

On Friday, April 8, 2016 at 11:44:01 AM UTC-4, Michael Hechmer wrote:
>
> There's actually no such thing as a "used" Paul brake.  Only the springs & 
> o-rings wear and they are available & easily replaceable.
> Michael
>
> On Friday, April 8, 2016 at 10:43:13 AM UTC-4, masmojo wrote:
>>
>> My favorite Cantis. Are first gen. XTR, I like the Pauls (got'em on my 
>> Clementine), but honestly if you watch the auction site you can find front 
>> & rear sets for less than a 100 bucks. They will be used so price according 
>> to condition,  but they are hard to beat. I have them on 3 bikes!
>> Note: I like'em so much it took a bit of soul searching to kinda let the 
>> cat out of the bag here; the more people looking for them,  the harder it 
>> is to get them for a good price on epay! ;-) so typically I keep my love 
>> for them to myself. 
>
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

[RBW] Re: Low-Profile Canti Recommendation.

[Michael Hechmer]

There's actually no such thing as a "used" Paul brake.  Only the springs & 
o-rings wear and they are available & easily replaceable.
Michael

On Friday, April 8, 2016 at 10:43:13 AM UTC-4, masmojo wrote:
>
> My favorite Cantis. Are first gen. XTR, I like the Pauls (got'em on my 
> Clementine), but honestly if you watch the auction site you can find front 
> & rear sets for less than a 100 bucks. They will be used so price according 
> to condition,  but they are hard to beat. I have them on 3 bikes!
> Note: I like'em so much it took a bit of soul searching to kinda let the 
> cat out of the bag here; the more people looking for them,  the harder it 
> is to get them for a good price on epay! ;-) so typically I keep my love 
> for them to myself. 

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

[RBW] Re: Low-Profile Canti Recommendation.

[masmojo]

My favorite Cantis. Are first gen. XTR, I like the Pauls (got'em on my 
Clementine), but honestly if you watch the auction site you can find front & 
rear sets for less than a 100 bucks. They will be used so price according to 
condition,  but they are hard to beat. I have them on 3 bikes!
Note: I like'em so much it took a bit of soul searching to kinda let the cat 
out of the bag here; the more people looking for them,  the harder it is to get 
them for a good price on epay! ;-) so typically I keep my love for them to 
myself. 

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

[RBW] First S24O of 2016, and first on my Appaloosa, tonight!

[Bill Lindsay]

Mike.  I do remember and I have a couple of those "old normal" bottles. Those 
touch but just barely.  I'm quite close. The bottle that would fit right now 
would be unusually sized. But a quarter inch in a couple places will do it

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

[RBW] Re: Consolidating some of the reminder threads into an FAQ thread?

[Justin August]

If the moderators grant me a days worth of access I'll gladly take it on, 
organize it and then demote myself. 

:)

-Justin

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

[RBW] Re: FS: Loyal Designs Randonneur bag, Nigel Smythe bag, Nitto Mark’s Rack

[Sean Cleary]

In answer to more questions: Loyal Design bags have bottom strap holders 
that completely secure it to a front rack so a decaleur isn't necessary. 
Mine also has a beefy leather strap that snugs tight to a Nitto Mark's rack 
tombstone–the vertical end loop.

All items still available.

On Friday, April 1, 2016 at 10:07:10 AM UTC-5, Sean on Bike wrote:
>
> Loyal Designs Randonneur bag: $180 plus shipping. 
>
> Grey with honey color leather trim. Flawless condition, barely used. 9” H 
> x 10” W x 6.5” D (not including pockets).
>
>
> Nigel Smythe Little Loafer (?): $100 plus shipping
>
> Classic green tweed in very good condition.  5.5” H x 9” W x 5” D.
>
>
> Nitto Mark’s Rack: $90–ships free with purchase of bag(s).
>
> Note: only for sale in combination with above bags. 
>
>
> Photos here: https://www.flickr.com/photos/66219337@N06/
>
>
> Shipping estimate: $15-20 depending on bag and distance.
>
>
> Prices are for Paypal “Payment for a Friend”. 
>
>
> Thanks for your interest, Sean 
>
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

[RBW] WTT: my Clem Smith Jr for your Cheviot

[alan lavine]

Just exploring some options at this point.  I have a mint Clem Smith jr, 
full stock build, with probably less than 100 miles, none off road.. 
 Looking for a Cheviot or other high end mixte, 60 cm.  Use is just around 
town and fun rides with grandkids.

Thanks,
Alan NYC

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

[RBW] Re: Anyone using Compass centerpulls on thie Rivendell?

[Ryan Fleming]

to be honest I'm not really sure which way Grant is going to go with 
this...I'm OK with either

On Tuesday, April 5, 2016 at 1:37:30 PM UTC-5, Mark Reimer wrote:
>
> Of course there is Ryan, aesthetics!! Post-mounted centre pulls are the 
> epitome of bike bling 
>
>
> On Tuesday, April 5, 2016 at 1:00:20 PM UTC-5, Ryan Fleming wrote:
>>
>> Hi Shoji...you're right...those Paul folks think of everything...I'm 
>> getting the center mount on my mixte...I live in the flatlands and  I feel 
>> there is no real functional   advantage to me to get braze-on mounted 
>> centerpulls
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 5, 2016 at 12:16:34 PM UTC-5, Shoji Takahashi wrote:
>>>
>>> +1 for Shimano CX70 cantilever brakes. I have 'em on my Hunqapillar, 
>>> swapping out Tektro CR720s. CX70 are easier to set up and stop the bike 
>>> quicker (when I want that feature). I used standard straddle cables instead 
>>> of the quicklink(?). 
>>>
>>> Paul centerpulls are available for center mount (i.e., no special braze 
>>> on required) or braze-on mount. Ocean Air Cycles's Rambler uses the Paul 
>>> braze-on mounted centerpulls. 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, April 5, 2016 at 1:01:55 PM UTC-4, Ryan Fleming wrote:

 If you're going for cantis I think you won't do much better than 
 these...they work great

 http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/brc3.htm 

 For centerpulls...those old Mafac Racers are excellent brakes and no 
 braze-ons required;  Paul centerpulls don't need braze-ons either as far 
 as 
 I know

 On Tuesday, April 5, 2016 at 11:11:45 AM UTC-5, Lungimsam wrote:
>
> Right now I don't want to get the Compass brakes. Just wondering if 
> anyone here uses them on their Rivs.
>
> I am more interested in cantis for my next bike, unless there is a 
> compelling reason to go with cpulls.
>


-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

[RBW] Re: Consolidating some of the reminder threads into an FAQ thread?

[Ron Mc]

could be worse - could be a bunch of Digest replies

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

[RBW] Re: Low-Profile Canti Recommendation.

[Ron Mc]

Been busy, late to the party, but always check Paul Components at Modern 
Bike.  Andy discounts them, provides great service, and usually sends out 
monthly coupon e-mails for a few more bucks off  

On Thursday, April 7, 2016 at 11:56:21 AM UTC-5, David Banzer wrote:
>
> I added a Pass & Stow porteur rack to my Clem. The Tektro CR720 brakes I'm 
> using stick out and happen to be right at the level where panniers would 
> mount. Looks like I'll need to swap to a low profile canti for the front, 
> and I'd like to have a matching set, so I'll swap the rear brake as well.
> Paul Touring brake is high on my list, but if I wanted a less expensive 
> brake, what recommendations does the list have for low-profile canti 
> brakes? Preferably in silver.
> I suppose if you have a lightly used set of something to sell, I'd be 
> interested.
> Thanks,
> David
> Chicago
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

[RBW] Re: Consolidating some of the reminder threads into an FAQ thread?

[Joe Bernard]

It's been a week, people. I don't think this is gonna happen. 

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

[RBW] Re: Saddles, epilogue

[Jay in Tel Aviv]

I went with the Pearl. Fingers crossed.

On Thursday, April 7, 2016 at 4:44:14 PM UTC+3, David Banzer wrote:
>
> Which model did you decide on? I've been eyeing the new-ish Loveland model 
> for my wife's Clementine. Seems to be very similar to the discontinued 
> Brooks B68. 
> David
> Chicago
>
> On Thursday, April 7, 2016 at 8:22:13 AM UTC-5, Jay in Tel Aviv wrote:
>>
>> I ordered the Rivet.
>> That means I will have an almost new Honey B17 Imperial for sale in a 
>> couple weeks.
>> Stay tuned.
>>  
>> Jay
>>
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.