[RBW] Re: FS:

[SPC]

Update...

Nitto Mark’s Rack - $100
Sackville TrunkSack Small - Olive - $90

Pictures
https://goo.gl/photos/V6KNZgBjpBTcBB4fA

Thank you.
Steve
Minnesota

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[RBW] Re: New seat cluster lug

[Surlyprof]

Grant showed me the 3D prints for that a couple of months ago and I thought 
it was a clever idea but wasn't sure how they were attaching the seatstays 
once they were all together.  Didn't think to ask at the time.  Brazed?

John

On Thursday, February 23, 2017 at 7:16:04 AM UTC-8, Chris Birkenmaier wrote:
>
> I'm surprised no one has mentioned it here already.  The latest Blug shows 
> a photo of a new seat cluster lug that looks pretty cool to me.  No mention 
> on which bike(s) it is intended for but my guess is the Roadini.  Seems Riv 
> is always good with putting out little teasers on things to come.
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: fillet-brazed 650B triple triangle F/F/HS/Fenders/Racks

[René Sterental]

Also, what is the trail?

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[RBW] FS 650b FW hub. Phil plus Synergy

[Saturday Mark]

For Sale:
Brand new 650b FW wheel. Frameset project for this wheel went away before 
wheel was installed.

Phil Hub 36h, FW threaded, 135mm spaced $190
Velocity Synergy 650B 36H $90
Butted spokes $54
Wheel built by Phil Wood and Co $30
Total $364

Sell for $250 plus ship cost.
Contact: saturdaycycles at gmail dot com

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[RBW] FS: new white industries cranks

[Mark Reimer]

Not sure actually. What for?

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[RBW] FS: new white industries cranks

[Daniel Jackson]

Mark,

What is your saddle height?

Thanks,
D. 

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[RBW] FS: 58cm NOS Proto-Appaloosa

[Christopher Murray]

Wow! What a great deal on an amazing bike. This was made by Mark Nobilette if 
it's the same bike from last summer. I talked to Riv about it but it was a tad 
too big for me. 

Someone is going to get an unbelievable bike for an incredible price.

Whomever is lucky enough to end up with it needs to post pics when it is built.

Cheers!
Chris

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[RBW] Re: Hitting refresh on instagram for rivbike, oceanaircycles, and swiftindustries

[Bill Lindsay]

My laptop is 310mm x 210mm

On Thursday, February 23, 2017 at 2:44:24 PM UTC-8, Belopsky wrote:
>
> what size is the laptop? i need to find a bag that fits my 15 mbp
>
>
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[RBW] FS: new white industries cranks

[Mark Reimer]

Hi everyone, 

I have a pair of brand new, never used White Industries crank arms for 
sale. They are the 'road' version, in silver, square taper and 172.5mm 
long. I've had them sitting in my parts box for over a year for a project I 
now realize will never happen. Included will be the lock ring for the chain 
ring. These are awesome cranks, I have them on three other bikes!

I believe these are around $215 USD new. So how about 30 bucks off, $185 
USD plus shipping? 

These have never been mounted to a bottom bracket and are in brand new 
condition. 


I'm running the same cranks on my Atlantis with a 44/26 chain ring combo, 
on a Phil 119mm BB. It's a great combo and works flawlessly. 

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[RBW] Re: Hitting refresh on instagram for rivbike, oceanaircycles, and swiftindustries

[Belopsky]

what size is the laptop? i need to find a bag that fits my 15 mbp

On Thursday, February 23, 2017 at 3:22:26 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> the big highlight is that my smallish laptop fits in the basement area of 
> the Docena.  I knew it was going to be close, and it fits!
>
> B
>
> On Thursday, February 23, 2017 at 12:13:55 PM UTC-8, S. Greco wrote:
>>
>> Those are some exciting items to be waiting on. The Docena was a total 
>> game changer for me. I wish I had gotten a harlequin one, they are the 
>> coolest.
>>
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[RBW] Re: FS: February Parts Purge (continued)

[Coconutbill]

 
 Price Drop: 
 

> Carsick designs handlebar barrel bag - $50
> IRD Thumbies (SIlver Shifters) - $72
>
> Moby Ringle Easton Seatpost (long)   27.2  $70
>
> Paul Funky Munky Front (standard threaded) & Rear Cable Hangers (27.2) $60 
> for both (black)
>
> Sugino Forged 170mm Single Speed Cranks  $35
>
> Shimano Deore (old rear derailleur without chainwheels) $20 
>
> Shimano Mountain levers - good condition - $22
>
> Suntour XC Pro - rear derailleur $45
>
> Suntour XC Pro 2x front derailleurs $30 (for both- one is in good shape - 
> the other is stripped on one of the limit screw) 
>
> Suntour Bottom Bracket (old style cup-n-cone) $45
>
> Shimano bar end shifter parts $10
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: fillet-brazed 650B triple triangle F/F/HS/Fenders/Racks

[S. Greco]

I'll take some measurements tomorrow

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Re: [RBW] Re: Grant's Other Book

[Joe Bunik]

IIRC, there's something funny about the "About the author" page in the
back… maybe Dan can post a pic?

On 2/23/17, Dan McNamara  wrote:
> Strangely enough, I have my copies at work.
>
>
>
> Dan
>
>> On Feb 23, 2017, at 11:54 AM, Greg J  wrote:
>>
>> As I recall, there were 2:  East of the Hills and West of the Hills.
>>
>> I picked up West at a used book shop in Berkeley years ago.  I'd love to
>> pick up a copy of East of the Hills too.  I never thought to look it up on
>> Amazon.
>>
>> Greg
>> Oakland, CA
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Monday, February 20, 2017 at 3:01:14 PM UTC-8, Eric Norris wrote:
>>> To All:
>>>
>>> If anybody is interested in reading Grant's 1984 book on cycling routes
>>> in the Bay Area, send me a few bucks for postage and I'll mail it to you.
>>> You can mail it back to me when you're done or it can circulate. All I
>>> ask is that it eventually return to me.
>>>
>>> Fun fact: Grant dedicated the book to B.F.Skinner and … Bob Dylan. The
>>> latter, of course, went on to become the muse for Rivelo in Portland OR.
>>>
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Hitting refresh on instagram for rivbike, oceanaircycles, and swiftindustries

[Bill Lindsay]

the big highlight is that my smallish laptop fits in the basement area of 
the Docena.  I knew it was going to be close, and it fits!

B

On Thursday, February 23, 2017 at 12:13:55 PM UTC-8, S. Greco wrote:
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> Those are some exciting items to be waiting on. The Docena was a total 
> game changer for me. I wish I had gotten a harlequin one, they are the 
> coolest.
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[RBW] Re: Hitting refresh on instagram for rivbike, oceanaircycles, and swiftindustries

[S. Greco]

Those are some exciting items to be waiting on. The Docena was a total game 
changer for me. I wish I had gotten a harlequin one, they are the coolest.

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: fillet-brazed 650B triple triangle F/F/HS/Fenders/Racks

[René Sterental]

What is the geometry?

René

On Thu, Feb 23, 2017 at 12:05 PM S. Greco  wrote:

> Standover is 86 with the 42c grand bois hetres
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[RBW] Re: FS: fillet-brazed 650B triple triangle F/F/HS/Fenders/Racks

[S. Greco]

Standover is 86 with the 42c grand bois hetres

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[RBW] Re: Hitting refresh on instagram for rivbike, oceanaircycles, and swiftindustries

[Bill Lindsay]

Christmas-Round 1

My Docena handlebar bag just arrived.  It's going on my Rosco Bubbe Road.  



Other Riv-ish content.  I also received a MUSA neckerchief (a.k.a. a 
heavier bandanna), a camping collapsible coffee helix, and a free sample of 
Hobo Rouleur coffee beans.  Thanks Rob!


Bill Lindsay

El Cerrito, CA


On Tuesday, February 14, 2017 at 9:33:26 PM UTC-8, dougP wrote:
>
> Just think of it like Christmas, except you don't know "when".
>
> dougP
>
> On Tuesday, February 14, 2017 at 4:06:09 PM UTC-8, Ryan Fleming wrote:
>>
>> know what you mean, Bill...I also didn't want to be continually badgering 
>> Riv either and there is that tension between gratification and anticipation
>>
>> On Tuesday, February 14, 2017 at 2:23:13 PM UTC-6, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
>>> Rivendell is somewhat active on Instagram.  Ocean Air Cycles and Swift 
>>> Industries post almost daily.  I just happen to be waiting on three very 
>>> expensive deliveries, and all three should be 'any day now'.  
>>>
>>> 1.  Ocean Air Cycles Docena handlebar bag, made by Swift Industries
>>> 2.  Hubbuhubbah tandem
>>> 3.  650B Atlantis
>>>
>>> I don't want to be a pain calling and/or emailing all the time, so I 
>>> just check instagram.  I figure Rivendell will post photos when they get 50 
>>> tandem frames in.  I figure either Swift or Ocean Air will post something 
>>> when the Docena bags get shipped.  The anticipation is part of the fun, but 
>>> I still want the gratification as well.  It would almost be bad if they all 
>>> arrived at the same time.  
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Tires for HHH tandem

[René Sterental]

I asked them about paved and dirt trails, but didn't specifically mention
gnarly rutted/rocky trails. But I believe that with this in mind, they
recommended the standard sidewall instead of the ultralight.

Michael makes a good point about the diminishing returns, which I believe
would also apply, for the HHH, on the sidewall thickness. Still, at this
time I'm not planning any gnarly rides, so we'll see what happens as I ride
them.

René

On Thu, Feb 23, 2017 at 9:34 AM Michael Hechmer  wrote:

> All improvements are governed by the law of diminishing returns.  Going
> from 28 mm tires to 38 mm tires yields a big improvement on comfort; from
> 38 to 48mm offers offers less but still noticeable improvement in comfort
> without any noticeable loss in rolling.  Going from 48 to 58 will yield
> little improvement in comfort while complicating other things, like frame
> design, brake choice & fender selection.  My tandem rode very comfortably
> on 1.5 tires for 5 years.  Last year I went with 1.8 (which also required
> new brakes) and liked the improvement, but it was not huge, even with
> 450lbs of weight on them.  I have ridden a single on the C very
> comfortably on 38 mm tires.
>
> Michael
>
>
> On Thursday, February 23, 2017 at 7:53:38 AM UTC-5, Tony DeFilippo wrote:
>
> I ran Compass 700c x 35mm regular casing on my Burly tandem for a 2-3 day
> 135 mile C canal and rail trail ride to July's ago.  Combined team and
> cargo weight was a pretty robust ~450lbs.  I had three flats the first day,
> all rear, exhausting my spare tubes.  After adjusting weight to front
> panniers and being more mindful of my steering technique day 2 was much
> better - it also was over half on pavement.
>
> Anyway, we haven't done significant mileage since due to pregnancy and
> having a small child but when we do return to the tandem it'll be with a
> heavier tire.
>
> I love compass tires and maybe the 48's, especially tubeless, would be
> enough cushion to overcome the flat problems I had.  I did have some
> correspondence with cold after the fact and they recommended upping the
> tire pressure to about for the extra weight which also seems smart.
>
> Tony
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[RBW] Re: Grant's Other Book

[Greg J]

As I recall, there were 2:  East of the Hills and West of the Hills.

I picked up West at a used book shop in Berkeley years ago.  I'd love to 
pick up a copy of East of the Hills too.  I never thought to look it up on 
Amazon.

Greg
Oakland, CA



On Monday, February 20, 2017 at 3:01:14 PM UTC-8, Eric Norris wrote:
>
> To All: 
>
> If anybody is interested in reading Grant's 1984 book on cycling routes in 
> the Bay Area, send me a few bucks for postage and I'll mail it to you. You 
> can mail it back to me when you're done or it can circulate. All I ask is 
> that it eventually return to me. 
>
> Fun fact: Grant dedicated the book to B.F.Skinner and … Bob Dylan. The 
> latter, of course, went on to become the muse for Rivelo in Portland OR. 
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: 52cm Bosco bar

[A. Nostuh]

Good call. I meant to do it that way. Sorry to all

52cm boscos are hard to find

> On Feb 22, 2017, at 10:49 PM, 'Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch 
>  wrote:
> 
> If it is, at this point Beth should consider lowering the price. Suggestion: 
> When replying to a 3-year-old FS post, use the Reply privately to author 
> feature. That way, you don't move a dead thread to the front of the line. Not 
> sure if it was here or iBob, but this has happened several times in the last 
> couple days. Also not sure if RBW has the same etiquette, but replies to FS 
> are generally done off list anyway.
> 
>> On Wednesday, February 22, 2017 at 5:54:21 PM UTC-5, A. Nostuh wrote:
>> Hi is this still available?
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[RBW] Re: FS: fillet-brazed 650B triple triangle F/F/HS/Fenders/Racks

[Wayne Naha]

That is a really nice looking ride there.  What is the stand-over height? 
 GLWS




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[RBW] FS: fillet-brazed 650B triple triangle F/F/HS/Fenders/Racks

[S. Greco]

The projects are backing up and so I am regretfully listing this for sale. 
This is a Jo Routens inspired fillet-brazed 650b road/adventure bike built 
by Pedimoto.
The frame and fork were custom built around 2014 - i don't know what the 
tubing is but this thing is surprisingly lightweight.
There is plenty of clearance for bigger tires but looks and rides great 
with 42 hetres.
The fenders are VO Zeppelins. Rear rack is VO. Front rack is custom.
Really beautiful detailing on the hellenic stays. The top tube has internal 
brake routing. 
Old-school campy style cable routing on top of the bottom bracket.
Braze on for rear taillight. Taillight is custom made by me : )
Custom engraved headbadge. Very subtle downtube decal.
I would like to sell this as a Frame / Fork / Headset / Fenders / Racks / 
Taillight package.
$1600 . . . open to offers. Happy to take more detailed pictures if anyone 
is interested.

ST 61cm CTC 
TT 58cm CTC
HT 20cm

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Re: [RBW] Re: Tires for HHH tandem

[Michael Hechmer]

All improvements are governed by the law of diminishing returns.  Going 
from 28 mm tires to 38 mm tires yields a big improvement on comfort; from 
38 to 48mm offers offers less but still noticeable improvement in comfort 
without any noticeable loss in rolling.  Going from 48 to 58 will yield 
little improvement in comfort while complicating other things, like frame 
design, brake choice & fender selection.  My tandem rode very comfortably 
on 1.5 tires for 5 years.  Last year I went with 1.8 (which also required 
new brakes) and liked the improvement, but it was not huge, even with 
450lbs of weight on them.  I have ridden a single on the C very 
comfortably on 38 mm tires.

Michael 

On Thursday, February 23, 2017 at 7:53:38 AM UTC-5, Tony DeFilippo wrote:
>
> I ran Compass 700c x 35mm regular casing on my Burly tandem for a 2-3 day 
> 135 mile C canal and rail trail ride to July's ago.  Combined team and 
> cargo weight was a pretty robust ~450lbs.  I had three flats the first day, 
> all rear, exhausting my spare tubes.  After adjusting weight to front 
> panniers and being more mindful of my steering technique day 2 was much 
> better - it also was over half on pavement.
>
> Anyway, we haven't done significant mileage since due to pregnancy and 
> having a small child but when we do return to the tandem it'll be with a 
> heavier tire.
>
> I love compass tires and maybe the 48's, especially tubeless, would be 
> enough cushion to overcome the flat problems I had.  I did have some 
> correspondence with cold after the fact and they recommended upping the 
> tire pressure to about for the extra weight which also seems smart.
>
> Tony
>
>

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[RBW] Topeak Master Blaster for 50cm Betty Foy?

[Eric]

Anyone know what size Topeak Master Blaster frame pump will work with a 
50cm Betty Foy? 

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[RBW] Re: Quickbeam chainline w/ PW freewheel?

[Jeremy Till]

Wow!  Color me surprised if that really is the case that the FW side is 
46mm chainline.  Also, it's a real bummer that Phil doesn't list this info 
on their website.

On Thursday, February 23, 2017 at 4:10:59 AM UTC-8, Wally Estrella wrote:
>
> The 46 was given to me by Phil Wood sales staff.  I've seen it somewhere 
> also, let me see if I can dig that up
> Yes, the Paul hubs are @ 44.  I'm not sure about WI.
>
>
>
> On Thursday, February 23, 2017 at 12:24:10 AM UTC-5, Jeremy Till wrote:
>>
>> Hey Wally-
>>
>> Can I ask where you read that the chainline on the Phil hub was 42mm on 
>> the fixed side and 46mm on the freewheel side?  I've been working on 
>> flip-flop hubs for a long time, I even had Phil one for a while (not on the 
>> QB, on my erstwhile Salsa Casseroll), and I've never heard that before.  To 
>> my knowledge, Phil has only ever made their track hubs for a standard 42mm 
>> chainline.  
>>
>> If I remember correctly, Paul made their track hubs with a 
>> slightly-wider-than-normal 44mm chainline and the chainline on the White 
>> Industries ENO hubs was around 47mm.  
>>
>> Since a flip-flop hub is designed to allow swapping between cogs/FW on 
>> either side without changing anything else, it would be really weird to 
>> have one where the chainlines didn't line up.   I could certainly imagine 
>> that when all was said and done and you measured chainline with a fixed cog 
>> and freewheel installed that they weren't dead on the same, but I'd have a 
>> hard time imagining that they would be far enough off to cause issues or 
>> clearance problems like you're asking about.  
>>
>> I believe that our fearless list moderator, Mr. Cyclofiend Jim, runs a 
>> Phil hub on the back of his QB, so he might be a good guy to ask.  
>>
>> -Jeremy
>>
>> On Wednesday, February 22, 2017 at 4:25:40 AM UTC-8, Wally Estrella wrote:
>>>
>>> HI Ted:
>>>
>>> the chainline on the QB is 42, from what I've read, the chain line on a 
>>> PW freewheel track hub is 46.  So, yeah, I guess that's what I'm 
>>> confusingly asking.  Would there be any clearance issues w/ a 46 chain line 
>>> and going up larger on either the chain ring or cog as? Sorry, just 
>>> overthinking the simplicity of it. Sounds like it'll work just fine, so 
>>> I'll just do it.
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, February 21, 2017 at 9:33:19 PM UTC-5, ted wrote:

 Hey Wally,

 Im not clear on what you are concerned about, and my bike is a SO 
 instead of a QB, but I've got a 44t ring at ~42mm chain line on a short 
 (107?) PW bottom bracket. No problem with clearance, if that helps at all.

 On Tuesday, February 21, 2017 at 11:24:21 AM UTC-8, Wally Estrella 
 wrote:
>
> Hi Folks:
>
> I've seen numerous pictures of QBs with Phil Wood hubs on them, but 
> can't recall if it was fixed or freewheel.  From what I understand the 
> fixed side of the PW track hub is 42.  The freewheel hub is 46.
>
> Is 46 chainline on a QB an issue from dropout to BB/chain stay 
> clearances?  I'm using a single ring up front @ 40t ring and thinking of 
> upping it to a 44 w/ a new PW freewheel on the rear.
>
>
> Thanks,
> Wally
>


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[RBW] Re: New seat cluster lug

[Ken Yokanovich]

Photo as part of their Instagram feed for those of you hadn't found it.
https://www.instagram.com/rivbike/

Seems like a clever and "universal" design that would allow for a lot of 
flexibility in seat stay angles with a single lug.  I would guess that it 
will show up on a lot of future bikes.

On Thursday, February 23, 2017 at 9:16:04 AM UTC-6, Chris Birkenmaier wrote:
>
> I'm surprised no one has mentioned it here already.  The latest Blug shows 
> a photo of a new seat cluster lug that looks pretty cool to me.  No mention 
> on which bike(s) it is intended for but my guess is the Roadini.  Seems Riv 
> is always good with putting out little teasers on things to come.
>

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[RBW] Re: Mend and make do

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Yes! Thanks for the anecdote. We had a Repair Cafe 
 in town recently. Definitely satisfying to get 
something going again, or keep it well-maintained. My job involves selling 
used goods, many of which would otherwise end up as landfill, or sitting at 
the bottom of the ocean.

On Thursday, February 23, 2017 at 9:24:51 AM UTC-5, Stephen Kemp wrote:
>
> I just greased and adjusted the bearings in my left pedal (I was going to 
> say left-hand pedal but the pedants among you already have enough to go on) 
> and now it feels mighty fine.
>
>  
>
> It had got a bit tight and was trying to turn under my foot as I pedalled. 
> I had that feeling I guess a lot of us have when things start to misbehave: 
> this could be an opportunity to purchase something nice… They’re cheapish 
> BMX pedals I took off a bike that came to me used. I’ve serviced them a 
> number of times. I’ve had good use out of them. I’d be perfectly justified 
> in getting a pair of RMX pedals or maybe some plastic BMX pedals in a funky 
> colour. But hang on, I have had these pedals for years. There’s nothing 
> really wrong with them that a quick service wouldn't fix. 15 mins later and 
> it’s sorted. The bike feels smooth and all is well again.
>
>  
>
> A simple solution and a simple pleasure.
>

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[RBW] New seat cluster lug

[Chris Birkenmaier]

I'm surprised no one has mentioned it here already.  The latest Blug shows 
a photo of a new seat cluster lug that looks pretty cool to me.  No mention 
on which bike(s) it is intended for but my guess is the Roadini.  Seems Riv 
is always good with putting out little teasers on things to come.

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Re: [Ext] [RBW] Re: Glorius and Wilbury

[Ryan Thompson]

Wow, if I didn't already have a 60cm Cheviot and a 60cm custom painted 
Betty Foy (formally Miesha's bike), I would be all over Tom's Wilbury.

Ryan
Arlington, VA

On Saturday, February 18, 2017 at 12:56:07 PM UTC-5, Pudge wrote:
>
> I have a 59 or 60 cm Wilbury that I'm thinking about selling. Anybody want 
> to talk?  It's this one. Essentially brand new. 
> https://flickr.com/photos/37542512@N04/sets/72157631845152497
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Feb 18, 2017, at 12:40 PM, Abcyclehank  
> wrote:
>
> Has anyone contacted Riv to get a new built semi-built and painted.  I 
> know the more beautiful Ryan gave an estimate and I was thinking in the 
> same range.
> Wish more used ones popped up. Gorgeous and Wonderul respectively don't do 
> these games justice.
> When they are available they disappear quickly.
>
> The taller Ryan
> West Michigan
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Re: [RBW] Re: Tires for HHH tandem

[Ryan Thompson]

Like Tony I plan to ride my HHH on the C towpath and think I'll go with 
Big Bens.  I have a set on my Xtracycle'd vintage mountain bike and with 
hauling two kids over many miles I've never had a flat and they still 
manage to provide a good ride.

Ryan
Arlington, VA

On Thursday, February 23, 2017 at 7:53:38 AM UTC-5, Tony DeFilippo wrote:
>
> I ran Compass 700c x 35mm regular casing on my Burly tandem for a 2-3 day 
> 135 mile C canal and rail trail ride to July's ago.  Combined team and 
> cargo weight was a pretty robust ~450lbs.  I had three flats the first day, 
> all rear, exhausting my spare tubes.  After adjusting weight to front 
> panniers and being more mindful of my steering technique day 2 was much 
> better - it also was over half on pavement.
>
> Anyway, we haven't done significant mileage since due to pregnancy and 
> having a small child but when we do return to the tandem it'll be with a 
> heavier tire.
>
> I love compass tires and maybe the 48's, especially tubeless, would be 
> enough cushion to overcome the flat problems I had.  I did have some 
> correspondence with cold after the fact and they recommended upping the 
> tire pressure to about for the extra weight which also seems smart.
>
> Tony
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Joe review on the BLUG

[Jock Dewey]

Hey, Doug:

Thanks for the 'redirect'. 

What a heart-warming, beautifully written piece by Herb C. It just gives me 
the 'warm fuzzies' and it's so much fun and so satisfying to know that 
Grant's work is now receiving all the praise, even from the fringes these 
days, that it so well-deserves. Seems 'the kids' are all over it and now 
some of ol' die-hards are finally catching on, too.

BEST / Jock Dewey / Athens, GA

On Thursday, February 16, 2017 at 6:47:20 PM UTC-5, dougP wrote:
>
> Most excellent review of the Joe on the BLUG.  A guy with long term bike 
> experience pops for a Joe after reading one review and doing minimal 
> research.  As may be expected, he loves the bike and the riding style it 
> encourages.  Worth a look and good to pass along to anyone wanting to know 
> "what's it all about".  
>
> dougP
>

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[RBW] Mend and make do

['Stephen Kemp' via RBW Owners Bunch]

 

I just greased and adjusted the bearings in my left pedal (I was going to 
say left-hand pedal but the pedants among you already have enough to go on) 
and now it feels mighty fine.

 

It had got a bit tight and was trying to turn under my foot as I pedalled. 
I had that feeling I guess a lot of us have when things start to misbehave: 
this could be an opportunity to purchase something nice… They’re cheapish 
BMX pedals I took off a bike that came to me used. I’ve serviced them a 
number of times. I’ve had good use out of them. I’d be perfectly justified 
in getting a pair of RMX pedals or maybe some plastic BMX pedals in a funky 
colour. But hang on, I have had these pedals for years. There’s nothing 
really wrong with them that a quick service wouldn't fix. 15 mins later and 
it’s sorted. The bike feels smooth and all is well again.

 

A simple solution and a simple pleasure.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Tires for HHH tandem

[Tony DeFilippo]

I ran Compass 700c x 35mm regular casing on my Burly tandem for a 2-3 day 135 
mile C canal and rail trail ride to July's ago.  Combined team and cargo 
weight was a pretty robust ~450lbs.  I had three flats the first day, all rear, 
exhausting my spare tubes.  After adjusting weight to front panniers and being 
more mindful of my steering technique day 2 was much better - it also was over 
half on pavement.

Anyway, we haven't done significant mileage since due to pregnancy and having a 
small child but when we do return to the tandem it'll be with a heavier tire.

I love compass tires and maybe the 48's, especially tubeless, would be enough 
cushion to overcome the flat problems I had.  I did have some correspondence 
with cold after the fact and they recommended upping the tire pressure to about 
for the extra weight which also seems smart.

Tony

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[RBW] Re: Quickbeam chainline w/ PW freewheel?

[Wally Estrella]

The 46 was given to me by Phil Wood sales staff.  I've seen it somewhere 
also, let me see if I can dig that up
Yes, the Paul hubs are @ 44.  I'm not sure about WI.



On Thursday, February 23, 2017 at 12:24:10 AM UTC-5, Jeremy Till wrote:
>
> Hey Wally-
>
> Can I ask where you read that the chainline on the Phil hub was 42mm on 
> the fixed side and 46mm on the freewheel side?  I've been working on 
> flip-flop hubs for a long time, I even had Phil one for a while (not on the 
> QB, on my erstwhile Salsa Casseroll), and I've never heard that before.  To 
> my knowledge, Phil has only ever made their track hubs for a standard 42mm 
> chainline.  
>
> If I remember correctly, Paul made their track hubs with a 
> slightly-wider-than-normal 44mm chainline and the chainline on the White 
> Industries ENO hubs was around 47mm.  
>
> Since a flip-flop hub is designed to allow swapping between cogs/FW on 
> either side without changing anything else, it would be really weird to 
> have one where the chainlines didn't line up.   I could certainly imagine 
> that when all was said and done and you measured chainline with a fixed cog 
> and freewheel installed that they weren't dead on the same, but I'd have a 
> hard time imagining that they would be far enough off to cause issues or 
> clearance problems like you're asking about.  
>
> I believe that our fearless list moderator, Mr. Cyclofiend Jim, runs a 
> Phil hub on the back of his QB, so he might be a good guy to ask.  
>
> -Jeremy
>
> On Wednesday, February 22, 2017 at 4:25:40 AM UTC-8, Wally Estrella wrote:
>>
>> HI Ted:
>>
>> the chainline on the QB is 42, from what I've read, the chain line on a 
>> PW freewheel track hub is 46.  So, yeah, I guess that's what I'm 
>> confusingly asking.  Would there be any clearance issues w/ a 46 chain line 
>> and going up larger on either the chain ring or cog as? Sorry, just 
>> overthinking the simplicity of it. Sounds like it'll work just fine, so 
>> I'll just do it.
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, February 21, 2017 at 9:33:19 PM UTC-5, ted wrote:
>>>
>>> Hey Wally,
>>>
>>> Im not clear on what you are concerned about, and my bike is a SO 
>>> instead of a QB, but I've got a 44t ring at ~42mm chain line on a short 
>>> (107?) PW bottom bracket. No problem with clearance, if that helps at all.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, February 21, 2017 at 11:24:21 AM UTC-8, Wally Estrella wrote:

 Hi Folks:

 I've seen numerous pictures of QBs with Phil Wood hubs on them, but 
 can't recall if it was fixed or freewheel.  From what I understand the 
 fixed side of the PW track hub is 42.  The freewheel hub is 46.

 Is 46 chainline on a QB an issue from dropout to BB/chain stay 
 clearances?  I'm using a single ring up front @ 40t ring and thinking of 
 upping it to a 44 w/ a new PW freewheel on the rear.


 Thanks,
 Wally

>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Quickbeam chainline w/ PW freewheel?

[Matt B.]

As Eric pointed out, for singlespeed cogs 4mm of offset is not an issue. 
There've been zero problems using a White Ind Dos Eno (dual) 16/19 cog (not 
technically singlespeed but same tooth profile), on my QB for several 
years, using either chain ring on the stock crank.  

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