Re: [RBW] Re: The Bosque in the "monsoon"

[Patrick Moore]

Oddly enough, it appears to have an English cousin, in the current
adjective "bosky", shaded, from the Middle English "bosk", bush.

*Our* bosque is a very pleasant interval in our high desert landscape
(which has its own severe beauty). I was *very* fortunate, 14 years ago, to
find an affordable duplex in a very pretty little infill project right
smack up against the bosque, less than 1/2 mile west of the Big River. I
can climb over my wall in be among deciduous trees, something rather rare
here in the high desert.

On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 3:56 PM, EasyRider  wrote:

> Patrick, your mention of "bosque" has me pulling a favorite book from the
> shelf to look up the term. It's called *Home Ground: Language for an
> American Landscape*.
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Anyone have a sub-25lb. complete Rivendell?

[Patrick Moore]

58 cm c-c, 559 Sun M14A/Revolution wheels with 559 X 23 mm Turbos (24"
diam), Dura Ace sp, rd, brake levers; Ultegra hubs, hs; Flite; Nitto stem,
185 bar; Phil ti bb; Pro 5 Vis single with 46 t ring; Am Classic 11-23
cassette (100" top gear, 48" low); Speedplay X-1 pedals; Nitto cages; Mavic
Retrofiction shifter; *removable* left side dt shifter boss (thank you,
Curt). Adding a 2nd chainring and fd and cable and shifter would have added
about 3/4 lb, so total as a 2X10 would have been about 20 1/2 lb, mostly
because of the very light wheels. (If the Elk Pass had been available in
2003, the bike could have managed firm dirt and weighed very slightly
less.)

On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 6:04 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:

> Ling ago mr '03 Curt 1x10 weighed 19.75 lb with pedals and 2 cages.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Aug 18, 2017, at 5:06 PM, Eric Karnes  wrote:
>
> My 61cm Hilsen was just under 25lb...or at least was the one and only time
> I actually weighed it.
>
> It doesn't completely meet your criteria, as it was set up as a 1x9 with
> an old Shimano 600 crank. Probably the biggest factor in reduced weight
> were the wheels. Dura-ace hubs laced to OpenPro rims were quite light, but
> still wide enough to hold Jack Browns or 35mm knobbies just fine. It also
> had a threadless stem and ran downtube shifters, so that likely shaved off
> a few ounces. I definitely could have removed more weight if i wanted to
> get fancy, but it was built up with existing parts bin parts (many of them
> of the standard Riv variety).
>
> Eric
>
> On Friday, August 18, 2017 at 6:45:49 PM UTC-4, lum gim fong wrote:
>>
>> With 10+ gears, that is...
>>
>> What components are on it?
>> Just curious to see.
>> Thinking of dropping weight for my component replacements.
>>
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[RBW] Re: Sam and tires

[Surlyprof]

Carla,

I've got a orange, 56 canti-Sam.  I can use up to a 45 Smart Sam tire 
without fenders.  They occasionally rubbed a double kickstand if I pedaled 
hard so I swapped it for a single and no problems.  I still had clearance 
at the chainstays.  With fenders I use the 38 Barlow Pass and 40 Mondial 
tires without problems.  They all measure pretty close to size with 
calipers.

John 

On Friday, August 18, 2017 at 5:44:34 PM UTC-7, Bob K. wrote:
>
> Hi Carla,
>
> Canti brakes? My canti Sam fits 42 Soma Shikoros with room to spare. 47 
> Schwalbe Marathons, too. I'm not sure about sidepull Sams, though.
>
> Bob
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[RBW] Re: Anyone have a sub-25lb. complete Rivendell?

[Justin, Oakland]

I feel like frame sizes and number of top tubes are important here...

-J

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[RBW] Re: 21 speed rear?

[Belopsky]

supposedly thats also r9100

which its not. internet is great isnt it?

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Re: [RBW] Re: New Clem L

[Eric Floden]

A velcro pantleg reflector between fromt wheel and front downtube?

On Aug 18, 2017 8:54 PM, "Joe Bernard"  wrote:

> I have a Velo Deflopinator (not currently in use, it's around here
> somewhere). You can set it up with enough tension to keep the wheel from
> slamming over into your toptube, but its ability to keep a wheel straight
> while portaging is limited. It helps, but having it tight enough to have
> the front end hardly move would be too tight for riding.
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[RBW] 21 speed rear?

[Bill]

Maybe a chain styled after the Cannondale  Lefty fork, i.e., link plates only 
on one side with extra narrow rollers attached.

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[RBW] Re: New Clem L

[Joe Bernard]

I have a Velo Deflopinator (not currently in use, it's around here somewhere). 
You can set it up with enough tension to keep the wheel from slamming over into 
your toptube, but its ability to keep a wheel straight while portaging is 
limited. It helps, but having it tight enough to have the front end hardly move 
would be too tight for riding. 

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[RBW] Re: Sam and tires

[Bob K.]

Hi Carla,

Canti brakes? My canti Sam fits 42 Soma Shikoros with room to spare. 47 
Schwalbe Marathons, too. I'm not sure about sidepull Sams, though.

Bob

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[RBW] Re: Anyone have a sub-25lb. complete Rivendell?

[Don Compton]

My 59cm Roadeo with an Ultegra 11sp group. Nitto bars and stem, and 
Williams Wheels weighs around 22 lbs.

On Friday, August 18, 2017 at 3:45:49 PM UTC-7, lum gim fong wrote:
>
> With 10+ gears, that is...
>
> What components are on it?
> Just curious to see.
> Thinking of dropping weight for my component replacements.
>

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Re: [RBW] 21 speed rear?

[Lee Legrand]

It would need a special chain for that, thin and will break easily when
shifting in addition to the shifters.  What kind of shifters would work
except friction and be able to dial it in perfectly.

On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 7:32 PM, Wayne Naha  wrote:

> Supposedly, this is a spy shot of a SRAM 21 speed cassette.  I thought it
> good for a laugh, I mean, it can't be serious.  Kinda reminds of those
> razors with five blades.
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Anyone have a sub-25lb. complete Rivendell?

[Patrick Moore]

Ling ago mr '03 Curt 1x10 weighed 19.75 lb with pedals and 2 cages.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 18, 2017, at 5:06 PM, Eric Karnes  wrote:
> 
> My 61cm Hilsen was just under 25lb...or at least was the one and only time I 
> actually weighed it.
> 
> It doesn't completely meet your criteria, as it was set up as a 1x9 with an 
> old Shimano 600 crank. Probably the biggest factor in reduced weight were the 
> wheels. Dura-ace hubs laced to OpenPro rims were quite light, but still wide 
> enough to hold Jack Browns or 35mm knobbies just fine. It also had a 
> threadless stem and ran downtube shifters, so that likely shaved off a few 
> ounces. I definitely could have removed more weight if i wanted to get fancy, 
> but it was built up with existing parts bin parts (many of them of the 
> standard Riv variety).
> 
> Eric
> 
>> On Friday, August 18, 2017 at 6:45:49 PM UTC-4, lum gim fong wrote:
>> With 10+ gears, that is...
>> 
>> What components are on it?
>> Just curious to see.
>> Thinking of dropping weight for my component replacements.
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[RBW] Anyone have a sub-25lb. complete Rivendell?

[ted]

Yes my AHH is under 25 lbs.
If you are going down that weight weeny rabbit whole two things to do.
Weigh stuff yourself. Determine just how much lighter what you're  considering 
replacing it with will save. Remember the most weight saving options are 
probably leaving things off.

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[RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne vs A. Homer Hilsen

[tc]

The Sam is a really super bike.  Bought one with albatross bars, sks 
fenders, mark's rack.  My (tall) wife rode it and loved it, so she has that 
Sam now.  

Then I got another one with the noodle drop bar, which is what I shoulda 
gotten in the first place.  Now we each have what we love.  

This is a quality bike that runs smooth and 'just fits'.  I could actually 
ride a 60, but the 58 is fine (speaking to the comment about being on the 
line between sizes).  Seat and bar adjustments can go a long way to dialing 
in the fit if you're torn between sizes.

It would be amazing to see how an AHH would fit me so much better, and make 
me grin so much more, so as to justify the significant price difference. 
 We hope to visit RBW in the Fall, and you can bet I'll try to ride an AHH 
to compare and see what all the fuss is about :)

tc

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[RBW] 21 speed rear?

[Wayne Naha]

Supposedly, this is a spy shot of a SRAM 21 speed cassette.  I thought it 
good for a laugh, I mean, it can't be serious.  Kinda reminds of those 
razors with five blades.




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[RBW] Re: New Clem L

['Ann L' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I weigh 115 lbs.  My 46 cm Appaloosa with bags weighs 32 lbs and I have to 
carry it up three flights of stairs.  I will usually grab the middle of the 
top tube with my right hand and carry it low, balancing some of the weight 
against my hip.  I use my left hand to guide/support the grip on the 
handlebar.  I'm very intrigued by the Velo wheel stabilizer.  Has anyone 
used one?  Not having to keep the handlebars from hitting me, the stairs, 
or the railings would give me additional carrying options.

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[RBW] Re: Custom bike

['Ann L' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Toshi:

The frame is beautiful.  I would love to see how the build turns out.

Ann

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[RBW] Re: Anyone have a sub-25lb. complete Rivendell?

[Eric Karnes]

My 61cm Hilsen was just under 25lb...or at least was the one and only time 
I actually weighed it.

It doesn't completely meet your criteria, as it was set up as a 1x9 with an 
old Shimano 600 crank. Probably the biggest factor in reduced weight were 
the wheels. Dura-ace hubs laced to OpenPro rims were quite light, but still 
wide enough to hold Jack Browns or 35mm knobbies just fine. It also had a 
threadless stem and ran downtube shifters, so that likely shaved off a few 
ounces. I definitely could have removed more weight if i wanted to get 
fancy, but it was built up with existing parts bin parts (many of them of 
the standard Riv variety).

Eric

On Friday, August 18, 2017 at 6:45:49 PM UTC-4, lum gim fong wrote:
>
> With 10+ gears, that is...
>
> What components are on it?
> Just curious to see.
> Thinking of dropping weight for my component replacements.
>

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[RBW] Anyone have a sub-25lb. complete Rivendell?

[lum gim fong]

With 10+ gears, that is...

What components are on it?
Just curious to see.
Thinking of dropping weight for my component replacements.

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[RBW] FS- 64 Sage Green Rambouillet, Nitto HA racks & bags, 700c Rich-Phil wheels

[ant ritchey]

Howdy bunch.

I've got some serious top shelf stuff that's seriously just sitting on the 
shelf! All the items are in very very good condition. As a blessing and 
curse alike- I may be losing access to my work/storage space in my 
apartment, so I'm preempting with some downsizing. 

*64 Rambouillet frame & fork w/ Tange Levin headset*
I bought this from a RBWOG member in June of 2016 and finally got around to 
building it up June 2017. My love for it is only as immense as the overlap 
with my Atlantis and am having a hard time justifying its tenure in the 
stable. Here's a link to the sale ad from when I purchased the frame and 
fork - OLD SALE POST 
.
 
Exliontamer told the truth- it was in pristine shape upon arrival. I've 
ridden it a bunch this summer but have taken great care of it and am 
willing to promise it is in a "near-pristine" condition, paint-wise. No 
crashes or abuse. I can provide more photos for the seriously interested.


*$900 + shipping via Bikeflights**Nitto Hub Area racks w/ bags & straps*
HA rack are the non-hoop version. Used lightly for a month around town and 
on one short tour. Bags are the ever-handsome tan. I'm including 2 John's 
Irish straps, which are what I used to secure the bags to the racks. 
Spacers & hardware included. I prefer to sell the racks and bags together, 
thank you.


*$250 + shipping**700C Wheelset: Phil Wood - Velocity Synergy / Rich-built*
Built up by Rich Lesnik at RBWHQ. Heavy duty & totally boutique...what a 
juxtapose. Wheels have approximately 200 miles on them and it shows- 
they're beautiful wheels in super good condition. 36 hole front and rear; 
rear is the asymmetrical style for extra tuffness. These wheels cost an arm 
and a leg out the door. I just want 'em gone before I decide to keep them 
in my dusty dungeon forever. I'm setting the price at around the cost of 
the hubs.


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and selling many high-ticket items via this forum. Do not hesitate to 
contact me via PM or phone (724 757 9358) for more details or to further 
discuss any of the items listed. Me and the goods are in Portland, Oregon 
if you're local and wanna get together in person. Am I forgetting anything? 
Trade interest? Sprinter van? Ampeg SVT classic or classy Fender jazz bass? 
Fabio's chest/wizard sleeve? Perhaps-mythical 25" Stumpjumper? I'm not 
looking super hard, but I guess it couldn't hurt to throw it out there if 
you've got something you think I might like.

Lemme know if something looks wrong or if I forgot something 
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[RBW] Re: The Bosque in the "monsoon"

[EasyRider]

Patrick, your mention of "bosque" has me pulling a favorite book from the 
shelf to look up the term. It's called *Home Ground: Language for an 
American Landscape*.

On Thursday, August 17, 2017 at 5:13:42 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> 22 mile dirt ride today in the Corrales bosque -- Corrales is a village at 
> the north end of Albuquerque, with a pleasant mix of the remnants of old 
> Hispanic peasant agriculture and small scale ranching, and gentrified 
> residences, and not as pleasant but still pleasant considering 
> neo-retro-Hispano-village-McMansion living. You still see much real adobe 
> and lots more pseudo adobe.
>
> Anyway, upper 80s, mile high blue sky, puffy clouds, no more rain until, 
> perhaps, early next week -- this after a downpour on Monday. Much of the 
> ground wetted and dried, and so the sand is less deep.
>
> Corrales acequia roads, about 1/2 mile west of River and up to 12 miles 
> north of Alameda Boulevard.
>
> Met a couple riding horses and leading one being trained and still 
> skittish; I pulled off in advance of the meeting and waved them through, 
> and they pleasantly thanked me. Most equestrians are friendly, ordinary 
> folk, though you get some self-entitled assholes (makes me dream of 
> screaming, blowing a loud horn, and beating a tin kettle while setting off 
> fireworks as their horses go by, but I won't do that, I promise). 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Custom bike

[Ryan Fleming]

For me it was 3500 for the frame with braze-ons for Paul centerpulls. + 
parts and labour and I got pretty fancy with the parts (Paul,Phil ,Chris 
King,  WI , lots of Nitto, Rich l-built wheels,yada,yada,yada. Fenders but 
no racks or bags)

On Friday, August 18, 2017 at 2:47:33 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> That's a beauty. Yes, lots of photos when it's built, please.
>
> What is a custom going for now?
>
> Lee: Toshi will speak for himself, but what I've noticed in all the Rivs 
> I've ridden is an absence of twitchiness when you are going straight at 
> speed, but also an absence of any hesitation or sluggishness when you 
> initiate a turn. It seems to be a Rivendell quality. 
>
> On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 11:48 AM, Toshi Takeuchi  > wrote:
>
>> I don't have an instagram account either, but you can look at the riv 
>> instagram pictures through a link in the Blug.  Here is the link to my 
>> picture: https://www.instagram.com/p/BX6vQ-gl7WQ/
>>
>> Toshi
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 10:38 AM, 'Dave Small' via RBW Owners Bunch <
>> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com > wrote:
>>
>>> For those of us without an Instagram account, it'd be nice if you could 
>>> post pictures of the bike you're describing.  
>>>
>>> Dave
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Re: [RBW] Re: Custom bike

[Toshi Takeuchi]

Hi Lee,

Yes Patrick is right, the stability is a feeling of being in control of the
bike with the absence of any jittery feeling or twitchiness.  I had a
similar epiphany when I converted my Ram from 700c to 650b and went from 32
mm 700c tires to 42 mm 650b tires.  The wide supple tires gave a strikingly
greater feeling of control and balance on my bike.

--Not sure how long the chainstays are--I didn't see the final geometry on
paper...

Toshi


On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 12:37 PM, Lee Legrand  wrote:

> Hi Toshi,
>
> What do you mean by stable? Do you mean the rear does not wag when you
> climb out of the seat? (That what happens on my old bike)
>
> On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 2:17 PM, Ryan Fleming <
> ryanmalloryflem...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Wownice...can't wait to see it all built up
>>
>>
>> On Friday, August 18, 2017 at 12:33:52 PM UTC-5, ttoshi wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi all, I've gotten several questions about the custom up on Instagram,
>>> so I thought I would tell you about the bike.
>>>
>>> I plan to use the 650b bike for randonneuring.  It has the dropout that
>>> allows a wireless connection to a Schmidt dynamo.  I'm planning to ride
>>> with 42mm Hetre/BSP tires.  The 42s likely wouldn't clear the Paul Racers
>>> without deflation, so I opted to get the Compass Centerpulls.  There is
>>> internal wire routing as well as some thoughtful braze-ons for wiring of
>>> the taillight in the rear.
>>>
>>> While Grant was designing the bike, he had me ride the Blue Rosco Road.
>>> The long chainstays gave the Rosco Road a fantastic stability in the ride,
>>> but the bike felt really nimble when I shifted my weight.  I know that I am
>>> going to love the ride with the long chainstays.
>>>
>>> Can't wait till it's built up!
>>>
>>> Toshi
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Custom bike

[Patrick Moore]

Toshi: how long are those chainstays? >45 cm?

On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 1:47 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:

> That's a beauty. Yes, lots of photos when it's built, please.
>
> What is a custom going for now?
>
> Lee: Toshi will speak for himself, but what I've noticed in all the Rivs
> I've ridden is an absence of twitchiness when you are going straight at
> speed, but also an absence of any hesitation or sluggishness when you
> initiate a turn. It seems to be a Rivendell quality.
>
> On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 11:48 AM, Toshi Takeuchi  wrote:
>
>> I don't have an instagram account either, but you can look at the riv
>> instagram pictures through a link in the Blug.  Here is the link to my
>> picture: https://www.instagram.com/p/BX6vQ-gl7WQ/
>>
>> Toshi
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 10:38 AM, 'Dave Small' via RBW Owners Bunch <
>> rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
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>>> post pictures of the bike you're describing.
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Custom bike

[Patrick Moore]

That's a beauty. Yes, lots of photos when it's built, please.

What is a custom going for now?

Lee: Toshi will speak for himself, but what I've noticed in all the Rivs
I've ridden is an absence of twitchiness when you are going straight at
speed, but also an absence of any hesitation or sluggishness when you
initiate a turn. It seems to be a Rivendell quality.

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> I don't have an instagram account either, but you can look at the riv
> instagram pictures through a link in the Blug.  Here is the link to my
> picture: https://www.instagram.com/p/BX6vQ-gl7WQ/
>
> Toshi
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 10:38 AM, 'Dave Small' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
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>> post pictures of the bike you're describing.
>>
>> Dave
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Re: [RBW] Re: Custom bike

[Lee Legrand]

Hi Toshi,

What do you mean by stable? Do you mean the rear does not wag when you
climb out of the seat? (That what happens on my old bike)

On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 2:17 PM, Ryan Fleming 
wrote:

> Wownice...can't wait to see it all built up
>
>
> On Friday, August 18, 2017 at 12:33:52 PM UTC-5, ttoshi wrote:
>>
>> Hi all, I've gotten several questions about the custom up on Instagram,
>> so I thought I would tell you about the bike.
>>
>> I plan to use the 650b bike for randonneuring.  It has the dropout that
>> allows a wireless connection to a Schmidt dynamo.  I'm planning to ride
>> with 42mm Hetre/BSP tires.  The 42s likely wouldn't clear the Paul Racers
>> without deflation, so I opted to get the Compass Centerpulls.  There is
>> internal wire routing as well as some thoughtful braze-ons for wiring of
>> the taillight in the rear.
>>
>> While Grant was designing the bike, he had me ride the Blue Rosco Road.
>> The long chainstays gave the Rosco Road a fantastic stability in the ride,
>> but the bike felt really nimble when I shifted my weight.  I know that I am
>> going to love the ride with the long chainstays.
>>
>> Can't wait till it's built up!
>>
>> Toshi
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[RBW] Re: Gravel & Grind's Semi Annual Rivendell / Bridgestone / Crust owners ride and social

[REC]

I don't have the strength to do 40 miles, but I can do part of that.  Is 
anyone planning on going?  It's a three hour drive for me, but would be 
worthwhile if I could meet some of the most awesome east coast folks on 
this forum.

Roberta

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Bikes wrote:

> Rivendell / Bridgestone / Crust owners bunch ride at Gravel & Grind 
>  
> in 
> Frederick MD on Sept 10th. Bring your B-stone(s), oogle at other rad bikes, 
> and do a 40ish mile mixed surface ride with ice cream thrown in the mix. 
> Sept 10th.  Lots of demo-able Riv's and Crust to check out too, if ya want! 
>  Email me at james (at) gravelandgrind (dot) com for more info, don't post 
> here with questions.
>
>
> 
>
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[RBW] Re: New Clem L

[REC]

Hi, Lum.

Weight is an issue for me, because I have to lift a bike high to store it 
on the bike wall rack (it's the upper most bike) in a long narrow hallway.  
I know bike stores think I'm nuts, but I make sure I can lift every bike I 
consider.  I could not lift the 2016 Clementine; perhaps the 2017s are 
lighter.  I can lift my Joe A. with rack and bags, but it's not easy, 
especially when I'm tired from my ride.  I was able to lift a Cheviot and 
it was a lot lighter than I thought it would be.  I own the Joe.

Probably more subjective than you're looking for, but perhaps this will 
help a little.  I'm in my late 50's and this is part of my strength 
training  :)  . 



Hi, Mark in Beacon.

I use a bungee cord to keep my front wheel from flopping around when 
lifting it.  hook on water bottle cage, thru wheel, back to water bottle 
cage.



Roberta  

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> Hi Joe,
>
> How much does your Clem L weigh?
> Looking for something lighter than 32lbs. complete for the wife. 
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Jan's Yellow Rivendell

[Ryan Fleming]

my 1997 Riv Waterford-built A/R was , I think, 1225 for base price - 1 
colour + 100 for cream head tube + 25.00 for my name. But I could check the 
stud book at home :)

On Friday, August 18, 2017 at 8:43:05 AM UTC-5, Doug Van Cleve wrote:
>
> I wasn't accounting for inflation, and Jan might not have paid much more 
> than that.  My JS built Riv Road Standard was $1225 (or something like 
> that) in '98-'99.  Also, used ≠ new...
>
> Doug
>
> On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 5:56 AM, 'Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com > wrote:
>
>> Accounting for inflation, $900 in 1995 equals $1,444 in 2017, so unless 
>> Jan paid less than $900 back then, it did not sell for more than he paid 
>> for it. 
>>
>> On Thursday, August 17, 2017 at 4:18:46 PM UTC-4, Doug Van Cleve wrote:
>>>
>>> It depends on your perspective...  Yes, you couldn't buy a new frameset 
>>> built like this one for that amount of moolah.  Very few things increase in 
>>> value though, and it sold for more that Jan paid for it, so I would say it 
>>> was above market value.  I am sure its provenance drove up the cost at 
>>> least a bit, and it has more than the usual number of braze-ons.  BTW, it 
>>> may not be custom from a geometry perspective (don't recall), but Jan chose 
>>> the color and the braze-on combo so it is at least semi-custom IMHO.
>>>
>>> Doug
>>>
>>> P.S.  Most custom bikes are not too different from stock geometries.  I 
>>> don't think there is anything odd about the geometry of the RS Riv that 
>>> is/was for sale, the issue is how much value e-Richie added to it compared 
>>> to any of the other non-Waterford Riv builders.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 9:15 PM, iamkeith  wrote:
>>>
 I guess i don't see how that could be considered a high or artificially 
 driven-up price.  It's still considerably less than any current, lugged 
 production frame - US or otherwise - and,  in near perfect condition, has 
 just as much life left in it.  It's also historically significant and more 
 unique with those lugs and that crown.  On the other hand, in contrast to 
 the Sachs-built frame being discussed concurrently, it doesn't suffer from 
 the baggage of being a custom, and the idea that it was 'too' unique, and 
 built for a specific person.  I guess I understand that some people might 
 think that a used bike should always be obtainable for bargain prices, but 
 not me.  If i was in the market for a road frame and this one fit, I'd 
 choose it over a roadeo in a heartbeat, even at the same price.  Unique is 
 good.
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: New Clem L

[Ryan Fleming]

I will have to check that out. Also the nose of the saddle idea

I felt a little embarassed about mentioning this, but I thought the group 
would have some good ideas, and you did! So thanks for that!

On Friday, August 18, 2017 at 7:56:33 AM UTC-5, ericf3 wrote:
>
> Just a thought...would something like a VO Wheel stabilizer help free up a 
> hand?  
> Never used one but am thinking of steering dampers from my motorbike 
> days...
>
> EricF
> Rainy Golden Lake Ont
>
>
>
> On Aug 18, 2017 8:47 AM, "'Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch" <
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com > wrote:
>
>
>
> I live in a third-floor walkup apartment. When going down the stairs, I 
> carry my Clem L with left hand on the headset area to prevent bar swing, 
> right hand gripping near chainstay. 
>
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[RBW] Re: FS Choco bars/Nitto stem

[Mattt]

That is correct.  I want both.  I happen to live in Oklahoma City near Carla, 
so that worked out.

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[RBW] Re: Custom bike

[Ryan Fleming]

Wownice...can't wait to see it all built up

On Friday, August 18, 2017 at 12:33:52 PM UTC-5, ttoshi wrote:
>
> Hi all, I've gotten several questions about the custom up on Instagram, so 
> I thought I would tell you about the bike.
>
> I plan to use the 650b bike for randonneuring.  It has the dropout that 
> allows a wireless connection to a Schmidt dynamo.  I'm planning to ride 
> with 42mm Hetre/BSP tires.  The 42s likely wouldn't clear the Paul Racers 
> without deflation, so I opted to get the Compass Centerpulls.  There is 
> internal wire routing as well as some thoughtful braze-ons for wiring of 
> the taillight in the rear.
>
> While Grant was designing the bike, he had me ride the Blue Rosco Road.  
> The long chainstays gave the Rosco Road a fantastic stability in the ride, 
> but the bike felt really nimble when I shifted my weight.  I know that I am 
> going to love the ride with the long chainstays.  
>
> Can't wait till it's built up!
>
> Toshi
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Custom bike

[Bill Lindsay]

Toshi, it looks spectacular.  I can't wait to see it built up.  I love that 
you went with the long chainstays.  

BL in EC

On Friday, August 18, 2017 at 10:33:52 AM UTC-7, ttoshi wrote:
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> Hi all, I've gotten several questions about the custom up on Instagram, so 
> I thought I would tell you about the bike.
>
> I plan to use the 650b bike for randonneuring.  It has the dropout that 
> allows a wireless connection to a Schmidt dynamo.  I'm planning to ride 
> with 42mm Hetre/BSP tires.  The 42s likely wouldn't clear the Paul Racers 
> without deflation, so I opted to get the Compass Centerpulls.  There is 
> internal wire routing as well as some thoughtful braze-ons for wiring of 
> the taillight in the rear.
>
> While Grant was designing the bike, he had me ride the Blue Rosco Road.  
> The long chainstays gave the Rosco Road a fantastic stability in the ride, 
> but the bike felt really nimble when I shifted my weight.  I know that I am 
> going to love the ride with the long chainstays.  
>
> Can't wait till it's built up!
>
> Toshi
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[RBW] Re: 200 miles on 10 bikes, an essentially pointless self-challenge

[Bill Lindsay]

2 down, 8 to go.  I finished up my 200 miles quota on my 56cm Single Top 
Tube, Cantilever, Rivendell Samuel Hillborne (first of four Rivendells). 
 Those 200 miles went too fast and leave me wanting more.  If I stay ahead 
of schedule and 3000 miles appears to be in play, bank on it that a lot of 
the extra credit miles will come back on Sam.  It's a truly splendid bike. 
 With nice light wheels and tires, a svelte but capable 2x9 drivetrain, and 
not a lot of extraneous stuff strapped to it, it's a terrific little road 
bike, and up to the task for some spirited underbiking:



With front and rear lowriders, it'll be a great loaded touring bike, as 
well.  With these 38mm Compass Steilacooms, it's practically a cross-racer. 


I'm about 550 miles into my 2000 goal.  I have one more week of work, and 
then the real miles can start going down when I'm on sabbatical (or, with 
no work to go to, perhaps I'll sleep in all day?).  


BL in EC
 

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>
> Update on my self-imposed goal to ride 200 miles on each of 10 bikes.  15 
> days in, Bike #1 has completed his tour of duty.  
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[RBW] Re: FS Choco bars/Nitto stem

[Carla Waugh]

Yes I thought the man only wanted the bars but he also wanted the stem. Thanks 
Joe

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Re: [RBW] Re: 200 miles on 10 bikes, an essentially pointless self-challenge

[Bill Lindsay]

I posted a full profile picture of my 1985 Schwinn Tempo.  In that post I 
said that I don't know what "turn-in" is.  Patrick Moore responded to that 
post, informing me that 'turn-in' is common knowledge.  Patrick Moore later 
asked for photos of my 1985 Schwinn Tempo, so I posted two alternative 
views.  Patrick Moore requested a full profile picture.  

Bringing it full-circle, here is the full profile picture of my 1985 
Schwinn Tempo, that anybody who views this list on a web browser can see, 
but you email users apparently can't find.  



BL in EC


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>
> Full profile view, please!
>
> I won't say I wish I still had mine, but I'd like to ride one again to 
> confirm or correct my memory that it handled nicely -- quicker than my Ram, 
> for instance, but stable in a straight line and turned in nicely. Or 
> perhaps 20 years intervening has turned memory into myth.
>
> Odd: mine could not handle a 26 (labeled; may well have been narrower) 
> tire in back without "modification."
>
> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 6:16 PM, Bill Lindsay  > wrote:
>
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>> Here are a couple of photos of my 1985 Schwinn Tempo.  I worked at a 
>> Schwinn shop in the mid 1980s and remember this model fondly.  It was the 
>> nicest Schwinn road bike at the time that still had fender eyelets.  When I 
>> found one stock and almost NOS I jumped on it, and did a 650B conversion 
>> along with some other updates.  I like it a lot.  
>>
>>
>> BL in EC
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, August 16, 2017 at 6:02:27 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
>>> I thought that was the Windsor -- Albatross bars? Oh well, must look 
>>> again.
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: 200 miles on 10 bikes, an essentially pointless self-challenge

[Bill Lindsay]

Mark in Beacon asked if those tires that I called 650x38B were in fact 
38mm.  He also asked my BB height. 

The tires are Soma New Express and measure a true 37mm on Pacenti PL23 
rims.  
The BB height by my reckoning is 262mm

BL in EC

On Friday, August 18, 2017 at 5:51:19 AM UTC-7, Mark in Beacon wrote:
>
> Bill, are those tires 38mm? And what is the bb height in mm, if you get a 
> chance. Thank you.
>
> On Thursday, August 17, 2017 at 8:16:59 PM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>> Here are a couple of photos of my 1985 Schwinn Tempo.  I worked at a 
>> Schwinn shop in the mid 1980s and remember this model fondly.  It was the 
>> nicest Schwinn road bike at the time that still had fender eyelets.  When I 
>> found one stock and almost NOS I jumped on it, and did a 650B conversion 
>> along with some other updates.  I like it a lot.  
>>
>>
>> BL in EC
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, August 16, 2017 at 6:02:27 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
>>> I thought that was the Windsor -- Albatross bars? Oh well, must look 
>>> again.
>>>
>>>
>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Custom bike

[Toshi Takeuchi]

I don't have an instagram account either, but you can look at the riv
instagram pictures through a link in the Blug.  Here is the link to my
picture: https://www.instagram.com/p/BX6vQ-gl7WQ/

Toshi


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> For those of us without an Instagram account, it'd be nice if you could
> post pictures of the bike you're describing.
>
> Dave
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Re: [RBW] PDX To Eclipse Ride - Anyone Going?

[Eric Norris]

I’m flying to Missouri to do a brevet with the local randonneurs along the path 
of totality. I’m hoping to be able to bypass any traffic jams by riding along 
the shoulder. I think we’ll be in Falls City, NE, when the eclipse becomes 
total.

--Eric Norris
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> On Aug 18, 2017, at 9:33 AM, Tim O. (Portland, OR) 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hey!
> 
> Anyone planning on riding from Portland to the path of totality for the solar 
> eclipse on Monday? I'm​ going to! Even though Portland is 99% in the path, I 
> can't help myself getting caught up in the fervor to be in the path of 
> totality. I had some other plans fall through and I can't take a bunch of 
> time off, so I'm going to ride from Portland at 5am-ish to catch the eclipse 
> in it's full effect. I'm thinking I'll ride to Silverton, which is about 50 
> miles one way. Predictions about traffic, huge bathroom lines and limited 
> emergency services have been horrible so it may be an eclipse-pocolypse, but 
> it will definitely be an adventure at the very least.
> 
> Let me if youre interested in coordinating! Or maybe you have a wayyy better 
> plan that I can tag along with :)
> 
> Also, there's a cool website to help Oregonians plan a bike trip to the path 
> of totality. Check it out: www.biketotheeclipse.com 
> 
> I'll post a picture of my eclipse century set up.
> 
> Cheers,
> Tim
> Portland, OR
> 
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[RBW] Re: Custom bike

['Dave Small' via RBW Owners Bunch]

For those of us without an Instagram account, it'd be nice if you could 
post pictures of the bike you're describing.  

Dave

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[RBW] Re: PDX To Eclipse Ride - Anyone Going?

[Orc]

Yeah, I'm going to head south as well.  From Sellwood, it's between 20-25 
miles to the edge of totality (and once past the Molalla River there are a 
lot of N/S tertiary roads which will HOPEFULLY not be complete parking 
lots) so a stupidly early departure gives plenty of time to at least make 
it to the edge for that 10 seconds of total eclipse.

-david parsons

On Friday, August 18, 2017 at 9:33:15 AM UTC-7, Tim O. (Portland, OR) wrote:
>
> Hey! 
>
> Anyone planning on riding from Portland to the path of totality for the 
> solar eclipse on Monday? I'm​ going to! Even though Portland is 99% in the 
> path, I can't help myself getting caught up in the fervor to be in the path 
> of totality. I had some other plans fall through and I can't take a bunch 
> of time off, so I'm going to ride from Portland at 5am-ish to catch the 
> eclipse in it's full effect. I'm thinking I'll ride to Silverton, which is 
> about 50 miles one way. Predictions about traffic, huge bathroom lines and 
> limited emergency services have been horrible so it may be an 
> eclipse-pocolypse, but it will definitely be an adventure at the very 
> least. 
>
> Let me if youre interested in coordinating! Or maybe you have a wayyy 
> better plan that I can tag along with :) 
>
> Also, there's a cool website to help Oregonians plan a bike trip to the 
> path of totality. Check it out: www.biketotheeclipse.com 
>
> I'll post a picture of my eclipse century set up. 
>
> Cheers, 
> Tim 
> Portland, OR 
>
>
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[RBW] Custom bike

[Toshi Takeuchi]

Hi all, I've gotten several questions about the custom up on Instagram, so
I thought I would tell you about the bike.

I plan to use the 650b bike for randonneuring.  It has the dropout that
allows a wireless connection to a Schmidt dynamo.  I'm planning to ride
with 42mm Hetre/BSP tires.  The 42s likely wouldn't clear the Paul Racers
without deflation, so I opted to get the Compass Centerpulls.  There is
internal wire routing as well as some thoughtful braze-ons for wiring of
the taillight in the rear.

While Grant was designing the bike, he had me ride the Blue Rosco Road.
The long chainstays gave the Rosco Road a fantastic stability in the ride,
but the bike felt really nimble when I shifted my weight.  I know that I am
going to love the ride with the long chainstays.

Can't wait till it's built up!

Toshi

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[RBW] Re: FS Choco bars/Nitto stem

[Joe Bernard]

Ah, you still have the stem..I thought you sold the combo as listed. Price?

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[RBW] Gravel & Grind's Semi Annual Rivendell / Bridgestone / Crust owners ride and social

[Gravel & Grind Espresso + Bikes]

Rivendell / Bridgestone / Crust owners bunch ride at Gravel & Grind 
 in 
Frederick MD on Sept 10th. Bring your B-stone(s), oogle at other rad bikes, 
and do a 40ish mile mixed surface ride with ice cream thrown in the mix. 
Sept 10th.  Lots of demo-able Riv's and Crust to check out too, if ya want! 
 Email me at james (at) gravelandgrind (dot) com for more info, don't post 
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[RBW] PDX To Eclipse Ride - Anyone Going?

[Tim O. (Portland, OR)]

Hey!

Anyone planning on riding from Portland to the path of totality for the solar 
eclipse on Monday? I'm​ going to! Even though Portland is 99% in the path, I 
can't help myself getting caught up in the fervor to be in the path of 
totality. I had some other plans fall through and I can't take a bunch of time 
off, so I'm going to ride from Portland at 5am-ish to catch the eclipse in it's 
full effect. I'm thinking I'll ride to Silverton, which is about 50 miles one 
way. Predictions about traffic, huge bathroom lines and limited emergency 
services have been horrible so it may be an eclipse-pocolypse, but it will 
definitely be an adventure at the very least.

Let me if youre interested in coordinating! Or maybe you have a wayyy better 
plan that I can tag along with :)

Also, there's a cool website to help Oregonians plan a bike trip to the path of 
totality. Check it out: www.biketotheeclipse.com 

I'll post a picture of my eclipse century set up.

Cheers,
Tim
Portland, OR


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Re: [RBW] Re: 200 miles on 10 bikes, an essentially pointless self-challenge

[Patrick Moore]

Full profile view, please!

I won't say I wish I still had mine, but I'd like to ride one again to
confirm or correct my memory that it handled nicely -- quicker than my Ram,
for instance, but stable in a straight line and turned in nicely. Or
perhaps 20 years intervening has turned memory into myth.

Odd: mine could not handle a 26 (labeled; may well have been narrower) tire
in back without "modification."

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>
> 
>
>
> 
>
> Here are a couple of photos of my 1985 Schwinn Tempo.  I worked at a
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> nicest Schwinn road bike at the time that still had fender eyelets.  When I
> found one stock and almost NOS I jumped on it, and did a 650B conversion
> along with some other updates.  I like it a lot.
>
>
> BL in EC
>
>
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>>
>> I thought that was the Windsor -- Albatross bars? Oh well, must look
>> again.
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[RBW] Re: FS Choco bars/Nitto stem

[Carla Waugh]

The reach is 12cm and its brand new other than being installed and uninstalled.

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[RBW] Re: New Clem L

[Joe Bernard]

"With a few accoutrements" is not how I quoted 25-27 lbs. I'm sure my bike is 
closer to 30 with the racks. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Jan's Yellow Rivendell

[Doug Van Cleve]

I wasn't accounting for inflation, and Jan might not have paid much more
than that.  My JS built Riv Road Standard was $1225 (or something like
that) in '98-'99.  Also, used ≠ new...

Doug

On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 5:56 AM, 'Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch <
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Accounting for inflation, $900 in 1995 equals $1,444 in 2017, so unless
> Jan paid less than $900 back then, it did not sell for more than he paid
> for it.
>
> On Thursday, August 17, 2017 at 4:18:46 PM UTC-4, Doug Van Cleve wrote:
>>
>> It depends on your perspective...  Yes, you couldn't buy a new frameset
>> built like this one for that amount of moolah.  Very few things increase in
>> value though, and it sold for more that Jan paid for it, so I would say it
>> was above market value.  I am sure its provenance drove up the cost at
>> least a bit, and it has more than the usual number of braze-ons.  BTW, it
>> may not be custom from a geometry perspective (don't recall), but Jan chose
>> the color and the braze-on combo so it is at least semi-custom IMHO.
>>
>> Doug
>>
>> P.S.  Most custom bikes are not too different from stock geometries.  I
>> don't think there is anything odd about the geometry of the RS Riv that
>> is/was for sale, the issue is how much value e-Richie added to it compared
>> to any of the other non-Waterford Riv builders.
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 9:15 PM, iamkeith  wrote:
>>
>>> I guess i don't see how that could be considered a high or artificially
>>> driven-up price.  It's still considerably less than any current, lugged
>>> production frame - US or otherwise - and,  in near perfect condition, has
>>> just as much life left in it.  It's also historically significant and more
>>> unique with those lugs and that crown.  On the other hand, in contrast to
>>> the Sachs-built frame being discussed concurrently, it doesn't suffer from
>>> the baggage of being a custom, and the idea that it was 'too' unique, and
>>> built for a specific person.  I guess I understand that some people might
>>> think that a used bike should always be obtainable for bargain prices, but
>>> not me.  If i was in the market for a road frame and this one fit, I'd
>>> choose it over a roadeo in a heartbeat, even at the same price.  Unique is
>>> good.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: D2R2 2017

[Bob Ehrenbeck]

I'll be doing the GRR also, riding my Rawland rSogn. Hope to meet some of you 
fine folks!

https://www.instagram.com/p/BX1arxrF5CS/

Bob

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Re: [RBW] Re: D2R2 2017

[Peter Jackson Hussey]

Looking forward to meeting you all! Decided against the 100k since it's my
first time doing the D2R2, I'll be riding the Green River Tour with a buddy
of mine.

Say hello if you see me, I'll be on my green Sam with drops.

Safe travels out there, and have fun tomorrow!

-Peter


On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 10:49 PM 'Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch <
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> Awesome. When I spot you, should I yell "Broccoli!" "Cog!" or just
> "Brock!"?;^)
>
>
> On Thursday, August 17, 2017 at 9:15:49 PM UTC-4, Broccoli Cog wrote:
>>
>> Great Mark! I'll keep an eye out for you. I'm on a light blue 2TT Sam.
>> Albatross bars, Wald 137 w/Swift bag and a tan X-Small saddlesack
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Re: [RBW] Re: Jan's Yellow Rivendell

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Accounting for inflation, $900 in 1995 equals $1,444 in 2017, so unless Jan 
paid less than $900 back then, it did not sell for more than he paid for 
it. 

On Thursday, August 17, 2017 at 4:18:46 PM UTC-4, Doug Van Cleve wrote:
>
> It depends on your perspective...  Yes, you couldn't buy a new frameset 
> built like this one for that amount of moolah.  Very few things increase in 
> value though, and it sold for more that Jan paid for it, so I would say it 
> was above market value.  I am sure its provenance drove up the cost at 
> least a bit, and it has more than the usual number of braze-ons.  BTW, it 
> may not be custom from a geometry perspective (don't recall), but Jan chose 
> the color and the braze-on combo so it is at least semi-custom IMHO.
>
> Doug
>
> P.S.  Most custom bikes are not too different from stock geometries.  I 
> don't think there is anything odd about the geometry of the RS Riv that 
> is/was for sale, the issue is how much value e-Richie added to it compared 
> to any of the other non-Waterford Riv builders.
>
> On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 9:15 PM, iamkeith  > wrote:
>
>> I guess i don't see how that could be considered a high or artificially 
>> driven-up price.  It's still considerably less than any current, lugged 
>> production frame - US or otherwise - and,  in near perfect condition, has 
>> just as much life left in it.  It's also historically significant and more 
>> unique with those lugs and that crown.  On the other hand, in contrast to 
>> the Sachs-built frame being discussed concurrently, it doesn't suffer from 
>> the baggage of being a custom, and the idea that it was 'too' unique, and 
>> built for a specific person.  I guess I understand that some people might 
>> think that a used bike should always be obtainable for bargain prices, but 
>> not me.  If i was in the market for a road frame and this one fit, I'd 
>> choose it over a roadeo in a heartbeat, even at the same price.  Unique is 
>> good.
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: New Clem L

[Eric Floden]

Just a thought...would something like a VO Wheel stabilizer help free up a
hand?
Never used one but am thinking of steering dampers from my motorbike days...

EricF
Rainy Golden Lake Ont



On Aug 18, 2017 8:47 AM, "'Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch" <
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:



I live in a third-floor walkup apartment. When going down the stairs, I
carry my Clem L with left hand on the headset area to prevent bar swing,
right hand gripping near chainstay.

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Re: [RBW] Re: 200 miles on 10 bikes, an essentially pointless self-challenge

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Bill, are those tires 38mm? And what is the bb height in mm, if you get a 
chance. Thank you.

On Thursday, August 17, 2017 at 8:16:59 PM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>
> 
>
>
> 
>
> Here are a couple of photos of my 1985 Schwinn Tempo.  I worked at a 
> Schwinn shop in the mid 1980s and remember this model fondly.  It was the 
> nicest Schwinn road bike at the time that still had fender eyelets.  When I 
> found one stock and almost NOS I jumped on it, and did a 650B conversion 
> along with some other updates.  I like it a lot.  
>
>
> BL in EC
>
>
> On Wednesday, August 16, 2017 at 6:02:27 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> I thought that was the Windsor -- Albatross bars? Oh well, must look 
>> again.
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: New Clem L

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I would agree that 27 pounds for a Clem with a few accoutrements is 
optimistic. Although some of the tubes on the newer versions is not as 
oversize, that would have little affect.

I live in a third-floor walkup apartment. When going down the stairs, I 
carry my Clem L with left hand on the headset area to prevent bar swing, 
right hand gripping near chainstay. Coming up, left hand the same, right 
hand on the curve of the step thru tube, aka top tube. 

Because of the weight plus the large size (mine is 52), BOBs (Big Ol' 
Boscos) and lack of top tube, I would be hard pressed to carry this bicycle 
up and down stairs with one hand, though I could manage it going up if I 
had to. One handed stair descents with mixtes or step thru frames is always 
going to be problematic in my experience.



On Thursday, August 17, 2017 at 6:02:39 PM UTC-4, Ryan Fleming wrote:
>
> With all due respect I would be very surprised if the Clems weigh 25-27 
> lbs; I'd be more inclined to guess somewhere north of 30 lbs. I suspect my 
> custom is more than 30...the boxed bike with the uber-Riv protective 
> packaging weighed 35 lbs according to the customs stamp.  But as you said, 
> Joe, you didn't weigh it.And whatever it weighs , it's not a 
> deal-breaker...in my experience Rivs ride light whatever they weigh
>
> Now what interests me is what you said about carrying bikes up and down 
> stairs...because you wouldn't want to leave that pretty Clem locked to a 
> lightpost.
> Yeah, I will admit up and down the stairs is a challenge with mine because 
> I like one hand free for balance (been like this for quite a number of 
> years). With my other bikes with diamond frames, the top tube rests on my 
> shoulder so no problemo. 
>
> Maybe you guys and gals have some tips for schlepping step throughs up and 
> down stairs...kinda dumb, I know. But the garage is NOT an option for my 
> Rivendells , and I live in a pretty decent neighborhood  but shit happens 
> as we all know. 
>
> Thanks in advance for any advice in that regardRyan
>
> On Thursday, August 17, 2017 at 2:51:23 PM UTC-5, Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>> No idea, but I would guess around 25-27 lbs. without racks. As set up 
>> with racks mine is a little heavier, but it's pretty easy to carry the 
>> flight of stairs to my apartment by lifting at the curve of the top bar. 
>> Lifting up stairs is the only time weight is an equation with this bike; 
>> when on the pedals she flies! (if you feel like it)
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Ideas for using Busch & Muller tail light without a rack?

[Orc]

Yes, as a matter of fact: 



(dropout mount with strip metal bracket)



(rack mount mount)



(brazed on mount up a little ways from the dropout)




(canti post mount; this one is on the fork, but a canti post mount is a 
canti post mount whether or not it's on the front or on the back of the 
bicycle.)



The first two have the wiring run inside the frame, the last two have the 
wiring elegantly ziptied to the frame  (the third is going to have the 
wiring routed inside the frame after I run it on a couple of longer rides 
this weekend/monday and can strip it down for painting;  the forth is my 
xtracycle so the frame is going to be replaced in the next month or so.)


-david parsons




On Thursday, August 17, 2017 at 8:43:24 PM UTC-7, Ash [who works to bike] 
wrote:
>
> Hi David, these ideas do sound interesting.. except the one that needs a 
> torch.  Do have any pictures of your setup(s)?
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, 16 August 2017 21:51:09 UTC-7, Orc wrote:
>>
>> If your bicycle has rear rack bosses on the seatstays, you can mount it 
>> to that with a wire bracket (I use B headlight brackets for this.)
>>
>> If your bicycle has rack/fender bosses at the dropouts, you can mount it 
>> with a metal bracket  (a section of aluminum flat stock curved 90 degrees 
>> and drilled at both ends.)
>>
>> If you have a torch, a hourglass boss, and don't care about blemishing 
>> the paint, you can braze that boss to the seatstay and then use a wire 
>> bracket.
>>
>> If you have canti or v-brakes, you can use a metal bracket to mount it to 
>> one of the canti posts.
>>
>> (I've done all four of these;  on my handmade frames I put a hourglass 
>> boss about 4" up from the dropout and then use a B headlight bracket to 
>> mount the tail light.)
>>
>> -david parsons
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, August 16, 2017 at 9:06:15 PM UTC-7, Ash [who works to 
>> bike] wrote:
>>>
>>> I really liked the B dyno tail light and picked it up when I was at 
>>> Riv the last time.  Its been sitting there for 3 months because I do not 
>>> have a rear rack.  Looking for ways mount it on seat post, saddle rail or 
>>> fender (least preferred).
>>>
>>> This didn't seem like an unusual need, but Google didn't provide me 
>>> anything useful. 
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: New Clem L

[Joe Bernard]

I believe he's in El Cerrito. 

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