Re: [RBW] Re: New bike day! Apppaloosa!

[Jay Connolly]

Mike, I'm on my 4th set of bars. First was the albatross, then a mustache, then 
a VO Rando bar, and now a Jones Loop H bar. I liked them all, but I think I'll 
stick with the Jones, which is wider, has as many positions as a drop bar, and 
sweeps  back at 45°. Limited stem choice with a Jones, but I found an 80mm x 
31.8 that I like.

Jay

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Re: [RBW] Re: New bike day! Apppaloosa!

[Tony DeFilippo]

Congrats Michael and great write up here and in your blog.  I can sense the 
enthusiasm and it makes me happy for you!  Keep us posted as you get used to 
the JA and get some commuting miles in.

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Re: [RBW] Re: New bike day! Apppaloosa!

[Carla Waugh]

Congrat!! Many happy miles!!!

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Re: [RBW] Re: New bike day! Apppaloosa!

['Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I saw your comment on your Youtube video, so here's my 830.  









On Friday, August 11, 2017 at 6:28:37 PM UTC-5, Michael Morrissey wrote:
>
> Chris:
>
> Thanks for watching my YouTube video. Get the Appaloosa. The Hunq and the 
> Appaloosa are very similar.
>
> My Appaloosa and Trek 830 are pretty similar too. The biggest difference 
> is fork. My Trek has an ordinary fork - the OG fork was bent. The 
> Appaloosa's slender fork makes for a better ride. Also the bottom bracket 
> drop (78mm on Appaloosa) makes for a better handling ride. The Riv is way 
> lighter than the Trek. 
>
> The best analogy I can think of is that the old Trek 830 is like finding a 
> stylish suit at the thrift store, one that looks really cool and feels 
> good, but the Appaloosa is like getting a new suit tailored to fit you, and 
> it looks cool, feels good, and fits amazing. 
>
> I just changed the bars on the Appaloosa to the Riv Bullmoose. Third set 
> of bars and still tinkering. 
>
> M
>
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[RBW] Re: Sam and tires

[Carla Waugh]

I put my Snoqualmie Pass tires on and will go on a ride into the wild with them 
on Sunday. The most difficult part is putting the little metal ends into the 
plug on my dyno hub. Great lessons to learn.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Anyone have a sub-25lb. complete Rivendell?

[Patrick Moore]

My '99 Joe Starck custom road weighs 17 1/2 lb with no egregiously silly
lightweight parts (there are 2 just modestly silly lightweight parts: a
Phil ti bb, 113; and a ti stem quill binder bolt).

57 c-c, M14A rims with Revolution spokes, 70 gr 650C tubes and 175 gr Elk
Pass tires + sealant; Phil fixed/fixed rear and plain Phil  front; 15 t
cruising cog and 17 t climbing and headwind cog; Tech Deluxe 9 cm stem,
quill cut down to Pearl length; Maes Parallel 38 cm (not to save weight; I
like them narrow); 7410 seapost, original Flite, Pro 5 Vis crank with 46 t
ring; DA 7410 pedals (360 grams; these absolve me of the sin of having
titanium bits); single Iris cage; 7402 levers, left with lever proper
removed, leaving only body with hood.

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Re: [RBW] Re: New Clem L

[Patrick Moore]

Very odd; I've never seen that before, either. To quiet what might
otherwise be loud shifts from badly adjusted derailleur?

On Sat, Aug 19, 2017 at 3:57 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:

> Here's a thing I've never seen before. I just pulled the Claris fd and
> discovered this plastic insert to push the chain. You wear out the plastic
> instead of the cage? Narrows it down for 9-speed, take it off for 8? Hmm..
>
> On Saturday, August 19, 2017 at 2:24:23 PM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
> > Update on weight (still no actual scale): Yeah, after moving this bike
> around a bunch today I'd say I was a little optimistic. It feels like 32-33
> with rack and fenders..probably around 30 lbs. without (but with a Brooks).
> If you really wanted to weight-weenie a Clem (silly!) you could use the
> plastic saddle Riv sells and replace the steel chainrings. You wouldn't,
> but you could :-)
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[RBW] Re: How do you guys do it, buying a bike sight unseen

[Les Lammers]

+1 *If you are short armed/trunked, and ride drops, you may want to size 
down one size if the frame sizes are close. If you will be upright riding, 
then just stick with RBW sizing methods. *Excellent advice.
 
On Monday, August 14, 2017 at 6:43:30 PM UTC-4, lum gim fong wrote:

> I've had 4 Rivendells, sight-unseen, and they all rode great.
>
> 55 Bleriot (used)
> 53 Bleriot (new in box from Peter J. White Cycles)
> 52 Blue Sam (new from RBW)
> 54 Rambouillet. (used, traded my Blue Sam for it).
>
> Rambouillet (Noodle drop setup) is my favorite as it is the easiest to 
> pedal down the road.
> I have the 53 Bleriot still, that I have bosco bars on and use it to sit 
> upright when I go for rides with my wife.
>
> I would not hesitate to buy a Rivendell sight unseen. Just go by their 
> sizing methods and you should be fine.
> Or, if you know your ideal top tube length then go with that as long as 
> the standover in that size is also ok for you.
> My advice:
> If you are short armed/trunked, and ride drops, you may want to size down 
> one size if the frame sizes are close. If you will be upright riding, then 
> just stick with RBW sizing methods.
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: 21 speed rear?

[Deacon Patrick]

Aye. And ventile ships anywhere, Joe. Grin. Nae such thin' as bad wither, 
only bad clothin'. Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Saturday, August 19, 2017 at 3:42:14 PM UTC-6, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> It's always raining somewhere, Patrick! ;-)

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[RBW] Re: 21 speed rear?

[Joe Bernard]

It's always raining somewhere, Patrick! ;-)

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[RBW] Re: 21 speed rear?

[Deacon Patrick]

Is this thread the February doldrums come early? Sardonic grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Friday, August 18, 2017 at 5:32:48 PM UTC-6, Wayne Naha wrote:
>
> Supposedly, this is a spy shot of a SRAM 21 speed cassette.  I thought it 
> good for a laugh, I mean, it can't be serious.  Kinda reminds of those 
> razors with five blades.
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: New Clem L

[Joe Bernard]

Update on weight (still no actual scale): Yeah, after moving this bike around a 
bunch today I'd say I was a little optimistic. It feels like 32-33 with rack 
and fenders..probably around 30 lbs. without (but with a Brooks). If you really 
wanted to weight-weenie a Clem (silly!) you could use the plastic saddle Riv 
sells and replace the steel chainrings. You wouldn't, but you could :-) 

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[RBW] Re: FS- 64 Sage Green Rambouillet, Nitto HA racks & bags, 700c Rich-Phil wheels

[Geeter]

As the current owner of a snazzy Merican P-Bass and the former owner of a 
similar Standard Jazz I can say you have good taste in four stringed 
instruments

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[RBW] Re: Anyone have a sub-25lb. complete Rivendell?

[islaysteve]

Lum, My 51 Bleriot weighs 24 lbs without the V.O. rear rack that is 
currently mounted.  Build is drop bars, 8-spd 105 STI/brifters, no fenders, 
VO wheels and Pari Motos.  If I were to weight-weenie this bike the first 
thing I would loose would be the Brooks saddle.  It weighs over a lb.  I 
was quite comfortable for years on my road bike with a Performance 
"Titanio" saddle weighing half of what the Brooks weighs.  I'm sure that I 
would be fine with other lightweight saddles, but of course it's a personal 
thing.  My weight-weenie dreams will have to wait until I get serious about 
building up my Ti road frame again for a go-fast.  Honestly, the way to 
keep it light is to not carry stuff.  But that sort of defeats the purpose 
of a Riv, right?  Cheers, Steve


On Friday, August 18, 2017 at 6:45:49 PM UTC-4, lum gim fong wrote:
>
> With 10+ gears, that is...
>
> What components are on it?
> Just curious to see.
> Thinking of dropping weight for my component replacements.
>

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Re: [RBW] 21 speed rear?

[Garth]

  Why yes, I don't need or want many cogs myself which is why I have stuck 
with 6 and 7 sp. freewheels.  Combined with 2 or 3 rings I'm good.  BTW, 
you mentioned your gear selection Patrick, which can *also *be done with 
half-step gearing +/- a granny, which I really like. It has the 5-6" gear 
progressions *if  *you wanted to do that, but this is not a rule of course, 
you can cross and shift the cogs any way you like. You don't have follow 
any pattern, be creative !   I for one do prefer to shift with both hands 
and less cogs and more actual use of all them and the rings. 

  But really, I just like to ride , w , where the folly of 
rightness and wrongness falls upon its own sword and what's left is 
"everything else" , and this "everything else" that is Life Itself in which 
the only death is death itself, and the only living is Life itself. 



On Saturday, August 19, 2017 at 1:21:07 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Frankly, in my case, I don't need more than, say, 5 cogs total, even for 
> the sort of climbing I do. Gears of 85", 75", 70", 65", and 60" would let 
> me ride comfortably, on pavement, on all but 1 ride in 10; and adding a 
> granny ring as you h, there are no rules saying you must do any set 
> patternave would take care of that. Drop each gear by 5" and it would be 
> fine for my dirt riding. After all, I get around Albuquerque just fine on 
> my 3 fixies.
>
> But a creeping perfectionism, philosophical and "aesthetic" as much as 
> practical has led me to adopt 10 cogs on my 1 derailleur bike (the 
> Matthews) so that I can get those tiny little 1-tooth jumps all the way 
> from 86" down to 44" on the big (42 t) ring (there is a 24 t bailout ring, 
> too). Why? Because 10 cogs are possible, and therefore it's fun in a sort 
> of anxious way to fretfully calculate just how perfectly adapted to my 
> riding I can get all 10 of them. It passes the time and it's less dangerous 
> than drinking or chasing women.
>
> On Sat, Aug 19, 2017 at 10:46 AM, George Schick  > wrote:
>
>> [...]
>>
>> All of this is to bring into question just why most of us really need all 
>> of those gears.  Sure, there are those who live in mountainous regions who 
>> couldn't get by without triple chainrings, especially off-road mountain 
>> bikers.  And what the highest and lowest gears are is a matter of age and 
>> personal preference.  But the 9,10, & 11 tooth cassettes - really?  Seems 
>> like another one of those things that the industry transposed to the 
>> consumer population.  Racers would need that kind of set up since they have 
>> to match their speed with the rest of pack (and SIS shifting for the 
>> constant and rapid speed adjustments).  But the rest of us - I just don't 
>> see it.
>>
>

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[RBW] 21 speed rear?

[Joe Bernard]

Ok, here's the deal. The entire hub is *inside* the freehub, and the wheel is a 
three-spoke carbon design mounted all to the left of the hub/freehub/cassette, 
kinda like those one-sided swingarm designs on some motorcycles. It could work! 
(it probably won't work)

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Re: [RBW] 21 speed rear?

[Patrick Moore]

Frankly, in my case, I don't need more than, say, 5 cogs total, even for
the sort of climbing I do. Gears of 85", 75", 70", 65", and 60" would let
me ride comfortably, on pavement, on all but 1 ride in 10; and adding a
granny ring as you have would take care of that. Drop each gear by 5" and
it would be fine for my dirt riding. After all, I get around Albuquerque
just fine on my 3 fixies.

But a creeping perfectionism, philosophical and "aesthetic" as much as
practical has led me to adopt 10 cogs on my 1 derailleur bike (the
Matthews) so that I can get those tiny little 1-tooth jumps all the way
from 86" down to 44" on the big (42 t) ring (there is a 24 t bailout ring,
too). Why? Because 10 cogs are possible, and therefore it's fun in a sort
of anxious way to fretfully calculate just how perfectly adapted to my
riding I can get all 10 of them. It passes the time and it's less dangerous
than drinking or chasing women.

On Sat, Aug 19, 2017 at 10:46 AM, George Schick  wrote:

> [...]
>
> All of this is to bring into question just why most of us really need all
> of those gears.  Sure, there are those who live in mountainous regions who
> couldn't get by without triple chainrings, especially off-road mountain
> bikers.  And what the highest and lowest gears are is a matter of age and
> personal preference.  But the 9,10, & 11 tooth cassettes - really?  Seems
> like another one of those things that the industry transposed to the
> consumer population.  Racers would need that kind of set up since they have
> to match their speed with the rest of pack (and SIS shifting for the
> constant and rapid speed adjustments).  But the rest of us - I just don't
> see it.
>

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[RBW] Re: New Clem L

[Joe Bernard]

Hi Bill, the new 45/52s have a smaller seattube than the first batch; they use 
a 26.8 post like the Appaloosa. I'm planning to replace with an S83 - love me 
some setback and two bolts - but Riv is out of stock at the moment. 

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[RBW] Re: Sam and tires

[drew]

I had 50ish tires on my Sam with Paul racers. No fenders, but I seem to recall 
that there was room to spare. 

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Re: [RBW] 21 speed rear?

[George Schick]

I agree that it's probably a doctored up photo and just a prank. 
 Everything about it - from wheel dish to this electronic shifting business 
- would seem an unlikely if not impossible concoction.

Having said that, and turning back to the subject of shifting for a moment, 
I just completed a restoration, and somewhat of a reconfiguration, of an 
old late-70's bike and it's now set up with a five-speed rear (13-23) and 
the Sugino high-low (40/26) that Riv sells.  Now, unlike many of y'all on 
this blog, I live in an area that's relatively flat with the exception of 
some short "steep" climbs up the approaches to pedestrian bridges over 
expressways or railroad tracks and longer steep climbs (maybe 7%-8% grades) 
from river levels to the top of ridges, so a ten-speed set up like this 
more than suits may needs.  I'm an old fart, ignore cadence for the most 
part, and ride in a 70" gear most of the time .  If I'm on the bigger ring 
and need to climb one of those bridge approaches I shift it into a 53" gear 
and stand on the pedals all the way up.  If I'm riding along on the flats 
and catching a stiff tail wind, I can use the largest 82" gear and be just 
fine.  When I encounter one of those occasional climbs up the river banks I 
can shift down the the 26T, go into as low as a 30" gear, and spin my way 
up.

All of this is to bring into question just why most of us really need all 
of those gears.  Sure, there are those who live in mountainous regions who 
couldn't get by without triple chainrings, especially off-road mountain 
bikers.  And what the highest and lowest gears are is a matter of age and 
personal preference.  But the 9,10, & 11 tooth cassettes - really?  Seems 
like another one of those things that the industry transposed to the 
consumer population.  Racers would need that kind of set up since they have 
to match their speed with the rest of pack (and SIS shifting for the 
constant and rapid speed adjustments).  But the rest of us - I just don't 
see it.

On Saturday, August 19, 2017 at 10:02:08 AM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Proof, if more proof is required than just the funny-ness of it: Ask 
> yourself: what sort of dish, and what sort of rear OL spacing, would this 
> require? And the Q factor!
>
> Regarding razors: 
> http://www.theonion.com/blogpost/fuck-everything-were-doing-five-blades-11056
>
> On Sat, Aug 19, 2017 at 8:58 AM, Patrick Moore  > wrote:
>
>> ...
>>
>> But that "21 speed cassette" is obviously a prank.
>>
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Sam and tires

[lum gim fong]

My sidepull blue Sam took  42mm tires with fenderrs no problem. 

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[RBW] Re: Sam and tires

[Carla Waugh]

My brakes are sideoulls I hope the above mentioned Compass tires will work I 
just ordered some. 

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[RBW] Re: New Clem L

[Bill M.]

Joe,

I have a 27.2 seatpost in my Clem, with an aluminum shim.  Works perfectly. 
 Shims are only a few bucks, if you have a nice standard post around you 
might go that way. 

Bill
Stockton, CA


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[RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne vs A. Homer Hilsen

[John G.]

Sorry, Ron. I was replying to a poster who said OP should also check out the 
Atlantis. Didn't mean to hijack the thread.

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Re: [RBW] 21 speed rear?

[Patrick Moore]

Proof, if more proof is required than just the funny-ness of it: Ask
yourself: what sort of dish, and what sort of rear OL spacing, would this
require? And the Q factor!

Regarding razors:
http://www.theonion.com/blogpost/fuck-everything-were-doing-five-blades-11056

On Sat, Aug 19, 2017 at 8:58 AM, Patrick Moore  wrote:

> ...
>
> But that "21 speed cassette" is obviously a prank.
>

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Re: [RBW] 21 speed rear?

[Patrick Moore]

Actually, with computer controlled electric shifter, there's no reason why
you can't get almost 30 serial, incremental gear steps simply by pushing a
single button and letting the electrics double shift 3 rings and 11 cogs as
required.

I agree that a good part of the fun of riding -- of pedaling! -- is (1)
dealing with the continually different torque and cadence requirements when
you shift less, and (2) shifting by friction.

But that said, in response to Garth's comment, I have to say that I *do* like
min- or pseudo- or crypto- corncobs ("corncogs"!) in the middle of my
cassettes; I don't shift all that much, but when I do shift, I want *just* the
right gear, and find it frustrating, annoying, and discouraging to find
myself in just another too-high or too-low gear after bothering to shift.

One of the Two Big Reasons I like riding fixed so much is having to vary
cadence and torque to the terrain and conditions. The other is the smug
feeling of doing more with less.

But that "21 speed cassette" is obviously a prank.

On Sat, Aug 19, 2017 at 3:39 AM, Ron Mc  wrote:

> This could only work with a very accurate electronic shifter, and quite
> possibly a fully automatic one.  It's is for people who ride in a total
> cadence world.  Maybe it's something about stiff bikes that makes one
> desire this.
> But my hilly bike world is a lot more dynamic, and I think more fun
> My 2x9 wide compact double (which functions more like a 1x9 with bail-out)
> is closer to mindless shifting than even I want to get.
> I very much enjoy shifting my half step triples - even with those, my
> algorithm is pretty much automatic, and the fun improves every time I make
> a two-hand shift.
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: New Clem L

[R Shannon]

A John's Irish Strap from Riv works fine. And it has a multitude of uses. As an 
example, see Grant's latest Blahg.

Best,
Richard

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 18, 2017, at 7:19 PM, 'Ann L' via RBW Owners Bunch 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> I weigh 115 lbs.  My 46 cm Appaloosa with bags weighs 32 lbs and I have to 
> carry it up three flights of stairs.  I will usually grab the middle of the 
> top tube with my right hand and carry it low, balancing some of the weight 
> against my hip.  I use my left hand to guide/support the grip on the 
> handlebar.  I'm very intrigued by the Velo wheel stabilizer.  Has anyone used 
> one?  Not having to keep the handlebars from hitting me, the stairs, or the 
> railings would give me additional carrying options.
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[RBW] Re: Gravel & Grind's Semi Annual Rivendell / Bridgestone / Crust owners ride and social

[Rusty Click]

I plan on heading down from Pittsburgh.

Rusty 

On Friday, August 18, 2017 at 12:59:46 PM UTC-4, Gravel & Grind Espresso + 
Bikes wrote:
>
> Rivendell / Bridgestone / Crust owners bunch ride at Gravel & Grind 
>  
> in 
> Frederick MD on Sept 10th. Bring your B-stone(s), oogle at other rad bikes, 
> and do a 40ish mile mixed surface ride with ice cream thrown in the mix. 
> Sept 10th.  Lots of demo-able Riv's and Crust to check out too, if ya want! 
>  Email me at james (at) gravelandgrind (dot) com for more info, don't post 
> here with questions.
>
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> 
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Re: [RBW] PDX To Eclipse Ride - Anyone Going?

[ascpgh]

Everybody travelling to the path of eclipse, be careful on two counts, eye 
protection and traffic.

Unfortunately his fella's story is probably going to be repeated: 
http://fox8.com/2017/08/17/20-seconds-all-it-took-oregon-man-left-partially-blind-by-1963-eclipse/
 


I just returned from a trip to Arkansas and back and Tennessee had already 
begun posting their expectations of both traffic congestion by those 
driving to the path of the eclipse and forewarning of their degree of 
tolerance to stopping on the roadways and shoulders (none) on their message 
boards:



I know they plan for the worst but I'd hate to see folks getting surprised 
by the volume of traffic materializing out of nowhere along their planned 
eclipse viewing travels.  

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh

On Friday, August 18, 2017 at 1:40:37 PM UTC-4, Eric Norris wrote:
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> I’m flying to Missouri to do a brevet with the local randonneurs along the 
> path of totality. I’m hoping to be able to bypass any traffic jams by 
> riding along the shoulder. I think we’ll be in Falls City, NE, when the 
> eclipse becomes total.
>
> --Eric Norris
> campyo...@me.com 
> @CampyOnlyguy (Twitter/Instagram)
>
> On Aug 18, 2017, at 9:33 AM, Tim O. (Portland, OR)  > wrote:
>
> Hey!
>
> Anyone planning on riding from Portland to the path of totality for the 
> solar eclipse on Monday? I'm​ going to! Even though Portland is 99% in the 
> path, I can't help myself getting caught up in the fervor to be in the path 
> of totality. I had some other plans fall through and I can't take a bunch 
> of time off, so I'm going to ride from Portland at 5am-ish to catch the 
> eclipse in it's full effect. I'm thinking I'll ride to Silverton, which is 
> about 50 miles one way. Predictions about traffic, huge bathroom lines and 
> limited emergency services have been horrible so it may be an 
> eclipse-pocolypse, but it will definitely be an adventure at the very least.
>
> Let me if youre interested in coordinating! Or maybe you have a wayyy 
> better plan that I can tag along with :)
>
> Also, there's a cool website to help Oregonians plan a bike trip to the 
> path of totality. Check it out: www.biketotheeclipse.com 
>
> I'll post a picture of my eclipse century set up.
>
> Cheers,
> Tim
> Portland, OR
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[RBW] Re: New Clem L

[anniebikes]

Congratulations on owning a Clementine! I have one also. Before you cut the 
bars, considering living with them a while. At first I found them VERY 
awkward, and didn't know if I could EVER get used to them, but with time 
I've found the boscos to be very versatile and once I put my own ergonomic 
grips on, I ran out of handlebar real estate. They are truly unique handle 
bars.

On Wednesday, August 9, 2017 at 6:21:31 PM UTC-4, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> Got it yesterday, did a few miles shakedown/adjust-stuff ride today. To 
> steal Velouria's blog name, what a lovely bike! It has the magical 
> smooth-but-maneuverable Riv ride, and boy is that low toptube nice at when 
> hopping on and off. After years of enjoying the low stepover of folding 
> bikes, I find the high tube on "regular" bikes a mostly unnecessary 
> obstacle, so this is wonderful (bonus: no bars crashing into tubes!).
>
> Details: Those Boscos reach WAY back; I'll be lopping an inch off before 
> the next ride. 
>
> The SunRace shifters are reversed 9-speed click/friction, and only the 
> right friction-only shifter has any kind of ratchet effect when pushing to 
> lower/easier cogs. The original ratchety shifters on the first Clem run had 
> a lot of clicks on both sides, both directions, and I found them hard to 
> operate on the demo Clem H I ride last year. To help explain what's new: if 
> you mounted these normally, they're the same as Shimano bar-ends with pure 
> friction front, index or pure friction rear. As installed they both work 
> great in friction mode.
>
> The gearing is perfect with 38-24 chainrings and pie plate 9-speed 
> cassette. Grant's right, it's hard to imagine why you would need a big ring 
> up front.
>
> Although the ride is similar - maybe a little more relaxed/cushy - to the 
> Appaloosa I sold, the vibe is VERY different. With the sit-up riding 
> position, mixte frame, and certainly with the green paint on this one, 
> there's very much a "Raleigh 3-speed" thing going on which I get a kick out 
> of. I rode in my standard costume of MUSA shorts, Pletscher T-shirt and Riv 
> fake-leather gloves..all good..but this is the first time my swoopy 
> Specialized helmet and Oakley M Frames felt completely ridiculous on a 
> bicycle. I think I need a beret! 
>
> I love the heart seatlug, which only works on mixte frames. It sits high, 
> proud and pretty, and leaves the impression (in my mind) of someone 
> creating a lug, then designing a bicycle around it. Here's some pics I took 
> today and yep...I forgot to do a lug closeup. Doh!
>
> https://goo.gl/photos/P4TKso4xaSWNDA6Y9
>
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[RBW] Re: 21 speed rear?

[Ron Mc]

if it is real, it's certainly intended as a 1x drivetrain, which is 
probably the only way a cadence/torque-based automatic could be made to 
function.  The 1-tooth steps would eliminate surprise in automatic 
downshifting.  

On Saturday, August 19, 2017 at 5:53:33 AM UTC-5, Garth wrote:
>
> Regardless of how many, corn cob cogs(1 tooth steps) are just not 
> necessary, not even pro road racers use them anymore. So I suspect this is 
> intended as a joke of some sorts also. or it is one now ! 

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[RBW] 21 speed rear?

[Garth]

Regardless of how many, corn cob cogs(1 tooth steps) are just not necessary, 
not even pro road racers use them anymore. So I suspect this is intended as a 
joke of some sorts also. or it is one now ! 

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[RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne vs A. Homer Hilsen

[Ron Mc]

ok, I got confused by this one - Atlantis is the full-load touring flagship 
- I thought we were talking about similarities and differences of Sam and 
Homer.  

On Thursday, August 17, 2017 at 2:40:10 PM UTC-5, John G. wrote:
>
> I could be wrong, but I thought the main tubing difference between the 
> Atlantis and Homer was that the Atlantis had a beefier fork. My 61cm 
> Atlantis rides light for my 200 lb body.

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Re: [RBW] 21 speed rear?

[Ron Mc]

Hey bro, 
*3x5 Lenton 
*,
 
*3x7 International 
*
My riding mentality is conservation of momentum rather than conservation of 
cadence.  I Always pass Everybody on climbs.  I'm going out later this 
morning to make my 24-mi 1200' climb neighborhood loop and tease the groups 
that come out from town to ride my hills.  Compared to most, I shift gears 
infrequently, and shift my mind and body more often.  
My friend Sandy (from our Sunday morning uptown to downtown sprint) has 
been making long greenway rides with me, and the first thing she learned 
was attacking the bluff climbs.  Two days days ago, our second 33-mi ride 
together, we both finished with the last 5 miles the fastest of the ride - 
I was proud of her.  

On Saturday, August 19, 2017 at 4:45:16 AM UTC-5, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
> How big are the steps when you say on the big ring? 
>
>
> On 08/19/2017 05:39 AM, Ron Mc wrote: 
> > This could only work with a very accurate electronic shifter, and 
> > quite possibly a fully automatic one.  It's is for people who ride in 
> > a total cadence world.  Maybe it's something about stiff bikes that 
> > makes one desire this. 
> > But my hilly bike world is a lot more dynamic, and I think more fun 
> > My 2x9 wide compact double (which functions more like a 1x9 with 
> > bail-out) is closer to mindless shifting than even I want to get. 
> > 
>
>

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Re: [RBW] 21 speed rear?

[Steve Palincsar]

How big are the steps when you say on the big ring?


On 08/19/2017 05:39 AM, Ron Mc wrote:
This could only work with a very accurate electronic shifter, and 
quite possibly a fully automatic one.  It's is for people who ride in 
a total cadence world.  Maybe it's something about stiff bikes that 
makes one desire this.

But my hilly bike world is a lot more dynamic, and I think more fun
My 2x9 wide compact double (which functions more like a 1x9 with 
bail-out) is closer to mindless shifting than even I want to get.




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Re: [RBW] 21 speed rear?

[Ron Mc]

This could only work with a very accurate electronic shifter, and quite 
possibly a fully automatic one.  It's is for people who ride in a total 
cadence world.  Maybe it's something about stiff bikes that makes one 
desire this.  
But my hilly bike world is a lot more dynamic, and I think more fun 
My 2x9 wide compact double (which functions more like a 1x9 with bail-out) 
is closer to mindless shifting than even I want to get.  
I very much enjoy shifting my half step triples - even with those, my 
algorithm is pretty much automatic, and the fun improves every time I make 
a two-hand shift.  


On Friday, August 18, 2017 at 7:17:39 PM UTC-5, Lee Legrand wrote:
>
> It would need a special chain for that, thin and will break easily when 
> shifting in addition to the shifters.  What kind of shifters would work 
> except friction and be able to dial it in perfectly.
>
> On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 7:32 PM, Wayne Naha  > wrote:
>
>> Supposedly, this is a spy shot of a SRAM 21 speed cassette.  I thought it 
>> good for a laugh, I mean, it can't be serious.  Kinda reminds of those 
>> razors with five blades.
>>
>>
>>
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[RBW] Sam Hillborne vs A. Homer Hilsen

[Joe Bernard]

Check the Web Specials page pronto. They cut some prices temporarily to clear 
out a room that has a water leak (it didn't get the bikes). 

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[RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne vs A. Homer Hilsen

[Evan E.]

Paul:  Your future black Sam sounds like a good call, but I, too, think 
that some Walnut Creek test rides will help you decide. (Here's a picture 
of my blue Sam.)

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