[RBW] Re: WTB 650b Wheel/set

[Adam Kilgas]

On Wednesday, November 1, 2017 at 5:33:29 PM UTC-4, Paul Choi wrote:
> I have a Sam coming from the pre-sale so I need a 650b wheelset. Does anyone 
> have one they are willing to part with?
> 
> 
> 
> Paul 
> 
> 
> Santa Clara CA

I have a brand new set for a Campy drivetrain from a bike build that fell 
through (one of several), but it's a 130mm rear... 

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[RBW] Cheviot dreaming

[Joe Bernard]

Whelp, this started as a "let's jump on that sale" journey towards a Cheviot 
frame at a pre-sale price in a nice Roadini/RBW Blue...then I lost my mind. 
Someone on a Roadini thread mentioned getting a custom color and I thought, 
HEY! So I chatted with Will @ Riv and determined I could get anything I wanted 
(that fit the bike/decals) from Rick at D I pondered on this a while and 
looked at a lot of colors on the internets and decided a Candy Apple Red 
Cheviot would be the cat's pajamas. Now my pre-sale bargain Chev is..not such a 
bargain! Oops ;-)

It's going to be just gorgeous with the cream contrasts, and is sort of my shot 
at a poor man's custom 'cause I know I'll never buy (or need) a true custom. 
It's also a bit of an homage to the Jimmy Carter bike. His was an Atlantis and 
a different shade of red, but that bike is what got me thinking about a red Riv 
the other night. I can't wait!

https://www.google.com/search?q=jimmy+carter+rivendell+bike=jimmy+carter+bik=chrome.2.69i57j0l3.16939j0j7=ms-android-verizon=chrome-mobile=UTF-8#imgrc=vzkGNutcbKY_9M:
  

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[RBW] FS CHOCO-MOOSE BAR

[Tom Horton]

new choco moose bar with cork grips, shellacked, that are not yet affixed 
permanently.  50 bucks plus whatever it costs me to ship. or maybe pickup 
in md/d.c./delaware area. bought it on an appaloosa, rode it a few miles, 
replaced with drop bar.


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[RBW] Re: The RBW Website has a new look...

[lum gim fong]

No i mean a person coukd email an entry with pic and rbw decides whos pic and 
description they post on rivbike.com each month

Tgey post their own bikes, why not a pic and descrip emailed to them from a 
customer.

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[RBW] FS: Sackville Saddlesack Large Grey

[dstein]

Bag was used on one overnight earlier this, otherwise like new and used to 
store a lot of my camping gear in a storage well under my stairs. The 
kangaroo pocket though was used as a toiletries bag for a handful of plane 
trips. I keep meaning to take pictures but haven't got around to it, will 
send on request. $210 shipped.

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[RBW] Re: The RBW Website has a new look...

[Bill in Roswell GA]

Lum, I like that idea a lot. But, being a former web dev proj mgr, Riv 
would need someone to devote time in setting it up but also in being an 
admin to watch post, just like Cyclofiend and other image based sites. I 
think Cyclofiend prob has more Rivs posted than any place else (0r maybe 
I'm just giving away my age). 

Let's face it, a whole bunch of us old dudes don't want to deal with 
Facebook, Instagram or any such hoopla. Some of you are good at posting 
photos on Flickr once in a while. 

Yep, it's the admin aspect, regular vigilance and all that to keep thinks 
from getting out of hand, just like the moderators do here on RBW and iBob. 

In other words, an image sharing forum would be great, but can only be as 
great as the people moderating what is posted and maintaining some level of 
standards. 

Just my two cents worth,
Cheers,
Bill in Roswell GA

On Monday, November 6, 2017 at 3:01:38 PM UTC-5, lum gim fong wrote:
>
> Where they could feature a few owners bikes from all over tge world. 
> Rotate monthly.
> Then people could see all the different and interesting ways  Rivendells 
> are used outside of the Creek.

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[RBW] Re: 3-Speed MTBing Resources?

[Christopher Murray]

I always thought it would be cool to add a triple crank to my single speed- 3x1 
instead of 1x3. You could get a pretty wide range of gears. Friction shift the 
front derailer? 

Has anyone tried this? I might give it a try. 

Cheers!
Chris

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[RBW] WTB: 55-56cm Riv

[Belopsky]

Have too many? Let me know. Price? Cheap ;)

Wife won't let me buy another bike but I totally will if you have something 
laying around..

Winter's coming, where dem deals at eh eh eh

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[RBW] Re: Microsoft Thumbies Inside Mount

[Tim O. (Portland, OR)]

Sweet! I just posted a WTB post. Thanks fo sharing, y'all! 

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[RBW] The RBW Website has a new look...

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

YES!!! This is the best idea! Someone from Rivendell, jump on this! What fun.

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[RBW] WTB/WTT Microshift Thumbies - Silver Thumbies/bar-end pods

[Tim O. (Portland, OR)]

Howdy!

I'm looking for some 9 speed Microshift Thumb shifters with the 
indexed/friction option. I have a set of Silver/IRD thumbies with some 
character that I can trade. See the pictures for more details: 
https://photos.app.goo.gl/PEfKnI4Hp6BD3wCh1

If yours are in better shape, I could throw in a few bucks to even things out.


I also have a set of Silver bar-end pods that I could throw in for an 
additional $20. They have a touch of shellac on the edges, but otherwise 
they're basically new. Separately, I'd sell them for $25 shipped.

If you just want ​to buy my Silver thumbies, feel free to make an offer. :)

Tim
Portland, OR
 

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[RBW] LF extra small grey saddle sack

[Carla Waugh]

If you have one let me know. Thanks

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[RBW] Re: FS 51 Joe Appaloosa silver

[A CT Cyclist]

I might be interested but need a few details please. For the $1800 price 
everything in the picture? How about a couple more pics?

On Saturday, November 4, 2017 at 12:37:43 PM UTC-4, Andrew Huston wrote:
>
> A proper listing. Complete for $1800 plus shipping, F/f/hs and crank for 
> $1000 plus shipping. 
> Velocity Cliffhanger wheels, schwalbe big bens 
> MAP bars, nitto technomic 9cm , shimano 9 speed bar ends on thumbies
> XT brakes
> XT rear mech. Deore front 
>  3x deore crank 
>
> https://www.flickr.com/gp/43976096@N08/x7MdQ4
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[RBW] To the person who bought my little Dahon rear rack: I found the second strap

[Patrick Moore]

Sorry, lists.

To the buyer: I found the second, proprietary (lug matches slot) bungee,
and I'll send it to you if you contact me and give me your address. I found
it in a bin of rags, where it had fallen when left with the other on my
workbench.

Patrick Moore

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[RBW] Re: 3-Speed MTBing Resources?

[A CT Cyclist]

Their is a blogger in Minnesota who used to ride an Alfine w/ a Gates belt 
then he had a custom bike built to run with disc brakes, Gates belt and a 
Rolhoff hub.
https://fourseasoncycling.com/2016/01/31/my-commuter-bike-design-explained/ 

Vic of TheLazyRandonneur.com a now defunct blog was a big proponent of IGH 
hubs on MTB. He rode with Alfine and Rolhoff hubs.



 

















After 4 years of all kinds of riding he open up this Alfine 8 speed hub to 
service and found it was perfectly fine. 



On Sunday, November 5, 2017 at 6:10:28 PM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Continuing to toy, and one alluring concept is going with a three speed 
> hub. I’ve searched around a bit and not found much (I know of Shaw’s 
> 3-Speed Society) specific to MTBing with 3-speed IGH. Anyone know of 
> anything? 
>
> With abandon, 
> Patrick 
>
> www.CredoFamily.org 
> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org

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[RBW] Re: Enjoying autumn colors

['Ann L' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Takashi:

Where I live, most of the trees haven't changed color.  Thank you for 
sharing your beautiful autumn pictures.

Ann


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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: 56 and 58 Sam (part of our month long "black friday" sale)

[James Warren]

56 used to be a Sam size, a couple batches of those came in orange standard but 
not with a cream headtube.


Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 6, 2017, at 3:02 PM, Belopsky  wrote:
> 
> Also do you mean 55 and a 58?
> 
>> On Monday, November 6, 2017 at 5:24:40 PM UTC-5, Belopsky wrote:
>> Ahh I guess I should have inquired about the Sackville bag when I got the 
>> Clem from you, ended up ordering one from RBW ;)
>> 
>>> On Monday, November 6, 2017 at 3:52:38 PM UTC-5, Christopher Wiggins wrote:
>>> 56 has a Choco bar, and the 58 has an Albatross.  Both are orange and are 
>>> std. equipped Riv complete bikes.  $2182.50 each plus shipping.
>>> 
>>> 46 Appaloosa in Butternut (bullmoose choco complete).  $2200-shipped 
>>> anywhere in the lower 48.
>>> 
>>> 10% off any/all Sackville bags in stock.  
>>> 
>>> Call for details.
>>> 
>>> 317.241.4660
>>> 
>>> Thanks!
>>> 
>>> Chris
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[RBW] Re: FS: 56 and 58 Sam (part of our month long "black friday" sale)

[Belopsky]

Also do you mean 55 and a 58?

On Monday, November 6, 2017 at 5:24:40 PM UTC-5, Belopsky wrote:
>
> Ahh I guess I should have inquired about the Sackville bag when I got the 
> Clem from you, ended up ordering one from RBW ;)
>
> On Monday, November 6, 2017 at 3:52:38 PM UTC-5, Christopher Wiggins wrote:
>>
>> 56 has a Choco bar, and the 58 has an Albatross.  Both are orange and are 
>> std. equipped Riv complete bikes.  $2182.50 each plus shipping.
>>
>> 46 Appaloosa in Butternut (bullmoose choco complete).  $2200-shipped 
>> anywhere in the lower 48.
>>
>> 10% off any/all Sackville bags in stock.  
>>
>> Call for details.
>>
>> 317.241.4660
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Chris
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Microsoft Thumbies Inside Mount

[Belopsky]

I have the microshift internal on my bosco bars on the clem and there arent 
any issues :dunno:

On Monday, November 6, 2017 at 3:05:51 PM UTC-5, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> Hey! The 9-speed Microshifts on the current Clem are not adjustable for 
> cable angle, but they work fine with inside/reversed mounting on Boscos and 
> Jones Loop, the two bars I've tried; no issues with cables interfering with 
> hands. But be aware of how indexing would work with this setup: You would 
> have to connect the rear derailer to the left shifter and front to right, 
> which might feel odd for a while. It can be done, though, if that's what 
> you're looking for. 

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[RBW] Re: FS: 56 and 58 Sam (part of our month long "black friday" sale)

[Belopsky]

Ahh I guess I should have inquired about the Sackville bag when I got the 
Clem from you, ended up ordering one from RBW ;)

On Monday, November 6, 2017 at 3:52:38 PM UTC-5, Christopher Wiggins wrote:
>
> 56 has a Choco bar, and the 58 has an Albatross.  Both are orange and are 
> std. equipped Riv complete bikes.  $2182.50 each plus shipping.
>
> 46 Appaloosa in Butternut (bullmoose choco complete).  $2200-shipped 
> anywhere in the lower 48.
>
> 10% off any/all Sackville bags in stock.  
>
> Call for details.
>
> 317.241.4660
>
> Thanks!
>
> Chris
>

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[RBW] Re: 3-Speed MTBing Resources?

[Philip Williamson]

Looks like the SRAM Spectro T3 goes a little lower and a little higher than 
the AW.
39", 53", 72.5" with 34x18. 
38", 52", 71" with 35x19.
37", 51", 69" with 36x20. 

 
Philip
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On Monday, November 6, 2017 at 12:46:11 PM UTC-8, Philip Williamson wrote:
>
> I'm running an S2 (no coaster brake) on my Quickbeam, commuting into SF. I 
> like it a lot. The low isn't low enough for Patrick's needs, I'd wager. 
> The AW with a 34 x 18 looks nice, depending on tire diameter: 40", 53", 
> 71" gears. The S3X with a freewheel won't go that wide (39", 47", 63"). 
>
> Build an AW wheel and let us know how it works out!
>
> Philip
> www.biketinker.com
> Santa Rosa, CA
>
>
> On Monday, November 6, 2017 at 5:49:42 AM UTC-8, Takashi wrote:
>>
>> Sturmey Archer's 2-speed hub with built-in coaster brake?
>> http://www.sturmey-archer.com/en/products/detail/s2c-silver
>>
>> Back pedaling slightly shifts gear, back pedaling more applies brake.
>> Doesn't require cables!
>> I have test ridden it for only a very short distance, so I can't tell 
>> about its effectiveness or durability.
>>
>> Takashi
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Microsoft Thumbies Inside Mount

[Jim Bronson]

Or you could cross the cables over between bottom bracket and the cable
stop on the downtube...

On Mon, Nov 6, 2017 at 2:05 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:

> Hey! The 9-speed Microshifts on the current Clem are not adjustable for
> cable angle, but they work fine with inside/reversed mounting on Boscos and
> Jones Loop, the two bars I've tried; no issues with cables interfering with
> hands. But be aware of how indexing would work with this setup: You would
> have to connect the rear derailer to the left shifter and front to right,
> which might feel odd for a while. It can be done, though, if that's what
> you're looking for.
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[RBW] FS: 56 and 58 Sam (part of our month long "black friday" sale)

[Christopher Wiggins]

56 has a Choco bar, and the 58 has an Albatross.  Both are orange and are 
std. equipped Riv complete bikes.  $2182.50 each plus shipping.

46 Appaloosa in Butternut (bullmoose choco complete).  $2200-shipped 
anywhere in the lower 48.

10% off any/all Sackville bags in stock.  

Call for details.

317.241.4660

Thanks!

Chris

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[RBW] Re: 3-Speed MTBing Resources?

[lconley]

The Dutch use SA or Sachs. One of my two speed SAs was on a made in the 
Netherlands Amstardam. The Gazelle Tour Populair also uses SA.

Laing


. Anyone know what the dutch bicycles use for IGH?
>
>
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[RBW] Re: 3-Speed MTBing Resources?

[Philip Williamson]

I'm running an S2 (no coaster brake) on my Quickbeam, commuting into SF. I 
like it a lot. The low isn't low enough for Patrick's needs, I'd wager. 
The AW with a 34 x 18 looks nice, depending on tire diameter: 40", 53", 71" 
gears. The S3X with a freewheel won't go that wide (39", 47", 63"). 

Build an AW wheel and let us know how it works out!

Philip
www.biketinker.com
Santa Rosa, CA


On Monday, November 6, 2017 at 5:49:42 AM UTC-8, Takashi wrote:
>
> Sturmey Archer's 2-speed hub with built-in coaster brake?
> http://www.sturmey-archer.com/en/products/detail/s2c-silver
>
> Back pedaling slightly shifts gear, back pedaling more applies brake.
> Doesn't require cables!
> I have test ridden it for only a very short distance, so I can't tell 
> about its effectiveness or durability.
>
> Takashi
>
>

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[RBW] Re: 3-Speed MTBing Resources?

[A CT Cyclist]

On my bike built for winter conditions I have a Shimano Alfine 8 speed hub 
with a kick brake and a front rim brake for fair weather and back up. You 
have to have a horizontal drop out to use the kick brake because of the 
risk of pulling the wheel out of a vertical drop out. Its also cleaner? 
more simple to run the IGH with out the need for a chain tensioner. I have 
never experienced or should I say perceived any friction in any of the 
gears.

In regards to tolerance to wet conditions no problems so far. Also I'd like 
to note that People have been riding old 3 speed bikes for years all around 
the world in all sorts of conditions. Anyone know what the dutch bicycles 
use for IGH?

Finally  Heinz Stücke used a Torpedo hub in his 3 speed that he traveled 
the world with. 
http://www.bikechina.com


PS I was glad someone brought up the issue of needing a fork designed with 
intention of using a drum brake.  If you google it you will find numerous 
cautionary tales about using said drum brake on a "regular fork".

On Sunday, November 5, 2017 at 6:10:28 PM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Continuing to toy, and one alluring concept is going with a three speed 
> hub. I’ve searched around a bit and not found much (I know of Shaw’s 
> 3-Speed Society) specific to MTBing with 3-speed IGH. Anyone know of 
> anything? 
>
> With abandon, 
> Patrick 
>
> www.CredoFamily.org 
> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org

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Re: [RBW] Big clyde wears out Soma Weymouth 650B faster than anticipated...

[lum gim fong]

I have found that Compass 650b x 38 loups and 42mm tires (babyshoe?) 
practically auto bead seat upon inflation on Grand Bois 36 hole black label 
650b rims.

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[RBW] Microsoft Thumbies Inside Mount

[Joe Bernard]

Hey! The 9-speed Microshifts on the current Clem are not adjustable for cable 
angle, but they work fine with inside/reversed mounting on Boscos and Jones 
Loop, the two bars I've tried; no issues with cables interfering with hands. 
But be aware of how indexing would work with this setup: You would have to 
connect the rear derailer to the left shifter and front to right, which might 
feel odd for a while. It can be done, though, if that's what you're looking 
for. 

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[RBW] The RBW Website has a new look...

[lum gim fong]

Where they could feature a few owners bikes from all over tge world. Rotate 
monthly.
Then people could see all the different and interesting ways  Rivendells are 
used outside of the Creek.

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[RBW] The RBW Website has a new look...

[lum gim fong]

They should have an owners' bike page. 

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[RBW] The RBW Website has a new look...

[Bill Lindsay]

It looks like Riv has switched their website again.  It looks the same but 
different.  The big loss is staff bikes, but I expect that will be back 
eventually.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

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Re: [RBW] Winter tires - studded

[Tim Gavin]

Unfortunately, there are still limited options for 650b studded tires.

The only one that would fit under a P55 fender is the Nokian A10.  It's a
stout commuter tire with reasonable tread and studs on the shoulders.  Seem
like they'll get you across the morning re-frozen-meltwater on the bike
path.
$59 from Peter White (seems to be the only US source).
http://www.peterwhitecycles.com/studdedtires.php

Otherwise, Kenda, Schwalbe, and others make studded MTB tires in 27.5/650b,
but they all start at 2.1"/54 cm wide.  Too wide for P55 fenders, maybe too
wide for the frame?


I've been riding 4.5" wide studded tires (45 Nrth Dillinger 5) the last
three Iowa winters, and now I have a set of 700 x 38 45 Nrth Gravdal tires
to try on my 'cross bike.

On Mon, Nov 6, 2017 at 1:10 PM, Belopsky  wrote:

> Since my Clem L is my winter/all-weather commuter, I will be swapping
> tires come winter (which may be tomorrow, #puremichigan)
>
> What's a solid choice for a 650B tire? I have SKS P55 fenders on with
> decent clearance with the stock Kenda tires currently
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Re: [RBW] Re: 3-Speed MTBing Resources?

[Patrick Moore]

I never noticed friction or roughness or vibration with any AW hub, or for
that matter any Shimano 3 speed, but I sure did with the bottom gear of the
S3X. But I hear that these hubs "wear in" -- is this so? Note though that
my experience with AWs and Shimano 3s includes new as well as used hubs.

Many users of the Rohloff say that it does "wear in."

I'm interested in this thread -- how a wide range 3 speed hub might perform
in the real off road terrain (not just dusty irrigation roads) and extreme
cold that t'other Patrick rides in; that is, how does it perform as gearing
for the terrain, and how well do the innards resist torque and the elements?

As for torque, many quasi-professional road riders, if not real
professionals -- and maybe some of those, too -- used epicyclic hub gears;
didn't Tommy whatsisname, who set that miles per year record, use some sort
of 3 speed hub?

But Patrick: a AW-cum-drum in back, a Dynohub (tm)-cum-drum in front ... a
good 15 lb of hus! I owned one of the former, and it was a cool hunk of
metal, but damn, the thing must have weighed 8 or 10 lb.

On Mon, Nov 6, 2017 at 8:49 AM, Jeremy Till  wrote:

> The thing about 3 speed hubs is that they're really designed for
> relatively low torque applications, namely commuting in mostly flat
> cities.  I wonder about their longevity when they're exposed them to the
> kind of torques involved with climbing a steep trail offroad.  Jobst
> Brandt, king of torque, didn't like older SA 3spds because they could pop
> out of gear under load, potentially causing injury to the rider standing on
> the pedals:
>
> http://yarchive.net/bike/sturmey_archer_hubs.html
>
> I think the newer hubs with redesigned pawl system are less prone to do
> that, but they're still not designed for high peak load applications.  And
> while they are probably better sealed than the old ones, I don't think they
> are super well sealed compared to, say, a cartridge bearing freehub.
>
> One other thing to consider is that, especially with a brand new IGH,
> there is noticeable friction in the other-than-direct gears.  In the low
> gear especially, this is apparent as vibration in the pedals.  I know that
> with your brain injury, Patrick, you can be sensitive to sounds and smells,
> do you think this type of vibration might be problematic?
>
> All of this is theoretical coming from me, since I haven't tried it. I
> think there was an IGH forum on MTBR, which may have people who have
> actually tried it.  It's been many years since I lurked over there though.
>
> On Monday, November 6, 2017 at 4:16:58 AM UTC-8, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>
>> Patrick of the Moore asked with cocked eyebrow on a tilted head, me
>> squintin’ back at ‘im, puffin’ me pipe: “I'm curious as to your motive.”
>> Grin.
>>
>> Hearty simplicity with just enough practicality added to make it work.
>> Grin. My general approach to things is to try (for a minimum of three
>> months) the simplest way to do something. Doing so ALWAYS teaches me a LOT
>> and often the lessons are often utterly counter to anything I thought I
>> knew. I’ve spoken about doing this with going barefoot (where I
>> “discovered” the idea), and then floor living. A more recent iteration of
>> it is with writing. My first drafts are now all cursive on 5” x 7”
>> notebooks, in pencil, holding it completely differently from what is taught
>> (but as is shown in paintings almost universally from 300ish to 1,800s) and
>> sharpened to a 1.1mm lead. Without going into the mind numbing details,
>> this promotes flow of thought (and gets me past my brain injury challenges
>> of focus and losing train of thought), whereas typing and print are very
>> staccato.
>>
>> Since I’ve had the Quickbeam and shifted the Hunqapillar to a 1x9 38t x
>> 12-36t with manual bailout chainring of 24t (no front DR), I have often had
>> the thought “I only need rather wide spaced gearing, 3-5 gears, with a
>> really low gearing option for bikepacking. The QB is my “as simple as it
>> can be done” bike and it continues to teach me a LOT. Grin. I’m now
>> striving to apply that to the Hunqapillar.
>>
>> From what I’ve read the new Taiwanese Sturmey Archers are vast
>> improvements over the post 1950’s British made mediocre ones. They are
>> sealed (at least more so) than what you rode.
>>
>> Why IGH? Weatherproofing. Why 3? Heartiest, beefiest around. Greatest
>> gear range per gear, giving a 2 x 3 drive the same or slightly greater
>> range as my current 2x cassette.
>>
>> With abandon,
>> Patrick
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[RBW] Re: FS: All-Paul SS Set Up, and Misc

[MartyG]

On Sunday, November 5, 2017 at 10:51:24 AM UTC-5, MartyG wrote:
>
> I'm making a run at an N+0 lifestyle, and parting ways with some cool 
> stuff, or stuff that won't fit "N". (Huge Roscoe Mixte)
>
> Items remaining include the Paul crankset - $165.00 shipped.
>
Nitto front rack -  $55 shipped. 
Wheelset - $300 shipped.

>
> Marty
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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[RBW] FS: Sackville Saddlesack Large Olive

[Clayton.sf]

Hi All,

Have a new version (webbing bottom) Large Saddlesack for sale in like new 
condition.
Color is Olive.
$220 Shipped to CONUS.

Thanks,
Clayton Scott
SF, CA

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[RBW] Winter tires - studded

[Belopsky]

Since my Clem L is my winter/all-weather commuter, I will be swapping tires 
come winter (which may be tomorrow, #puremichigan)

What's a solid choice for a 650B tire? I have SKS P55 fenders on with 
decent clearance with the stock Kenda tires currently

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[RBW] Microsoft Thumbies Inside Mount

[Tim O. (Portland, OR)]

Hey! 

Do Mircoshift thumbies allow you to adjust the cable housing angle like the 
Sunrace thumbies do? Has anyone mounted their Mircoshift thumbies on the inside 
of the bars? Do the cables clear your hands on the bars?

I'm running Sunrace shifters mounted inside, but I'm thinking I'd like to have 
some quality indexed shifting. 

Thanks!
Tim

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Re: [RBW] Big clyde wears out Soma Weymouth 650B faster than anticipated...

[Tim Gavin]

I have ~1500-2000 miles on my Pacenti PL23s.  I built them myself with DT
Swiss DB spokes to a Shimano dynamo hub and a VO Grand Cru touring hub.  I
think I went with 36 spokes instead of 32.

They've been true and smooth under my ~230 lb weight, and half of those
miles include an added 20-40 lb load.


FYI, the PL23s have a more sculpted rim bead (for tubeless compatibility);
this makes tire mounting and removal a bit more of a chore (the rims make
for a tighter fit, necessitating tire levers more often than with older
rims).  But tires bead up just fine once you get them into the channel.

And they're a very attractive rim.  Low key shape and nice finish.

On Mon, Nov 6, 2017 at 10:48 AM, Jim Bronson  wrote:

> I had this wheelset with 650b Weymouths built in mid 2014, the back rim is
> worn out already.  I rode it quite a bit in the 2nd half of 2014 and 1st
> half of 2015, then due to personal circumstances I didn't ride much at all
> the rest of 2015 and most of 2016.  I'm just now getting back into riding
> more, did a 75 miler on the 28th and feeling pretty good.  I'm estimating
> 6800KM in RUSA rides and then maybe a couple thousand more just riding
> around and training rides.  So about 5500ish miles or so on these.
>
> I was going to take it out on this last Saturday for a 100k RUSA populaire
> but I wanted to true it up first.  Well upon further inspection...I had
> broken a spoke.  I was able to get it fairly true in my stand even with
> only 35 out of 36 spokes.  But then upon a more careful inspection of the
> rim, several of the eyelets are cracked and pulling through, additionally
> it looked like I had a few more spokes that were marginal.  I took it to
> the shop that built it and they said the rim was done and they recommended
> getting a new rim, so basically a whole wheel rebuild, rim, spokes, the
> whole 9 yards.
>
> I admit that I am pretty tough on rims due to my large size - 6'7" and
> 300ish currently.  And I've been through quite a few rear wheels over the
> years.  But throughout it's life on my bike I've always had 38mm LoupLoup
> Pass mostly inflated in the 50-60 psi range.  I'm an experienced cyclist
> that doesn't go running over potholes and off curbs.  In other words I know
> my rear wheel is a limiting factor and I try not to beat on it.
>
> I had higher hopes for this rim due to it seeming to have a fairly robust
> construction but I guess I was just too much for it.  The shop was going to
> get me a replacement build fairly cheaply, maybe a warranty rim, don't
> know, but due to the difficulty of properly mounting Compass tires on it,
> and a few blowoffs that I had, I declined to get another Weymouth.  It's
> more the tire mounting issue than anything, I have to really be careful
> mounting my tires, which is pretty inconvenient when you're doing timed
> events like brevets.  I generally put about 10psi in them and go all the
> way around the rim with my thumbs making sure the bead is properly seated,
> before fully inflating them.  The blowoff issue has not been a problem in
> recent times as I learned to not pump the tires above 60 psi.  If you pump
> to max sidewall pressure which is 75psi on LoupLoups there tended to be
> more problems with random blowoffs.
>
> I was going to do a Pacenti Brevet, but, I have a pair of brand new 2nd
> gen Pacenti PL23 hanging from my garage ceiling that I bought a few years
> back when Kirk was selling them off.  I think I will get both the front and
> back done.  Maybe not so great considering my personal heft but I talked
> with Kirk personally about these rims and my size and he said he'd warranty
> them if I had an issue.  So, I will try them.
>
> Just wanted to give some feedback on these to the group...
>
> -Jim
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[RBW] Anyone know about cycling Death Valley

[Christopher Cote]

I didn't realize Scotty's Castle was still closed. I heard about the damage 
back when it happened, but I figured it would be open now. I just read up on it 
at the NPS website, and the extent of the damage. Wow.

Chris

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[RBW] Re: Anyone know about cycling Death Valley

[Jim Bronson]

On Monday, November 6, 2017 at 8:22:45 AM UTC-6, Jonathan Neve wrote:
>
> I rode there last week, from Badwater Basin to the peak of White Mountain. 
> Cached water along the way at a few different spots. Temperature range was 
> 28-99 degrees. 
>
> Here’s a link to the Strava file: 
> https://www.strava.com/activities/1253071477 
>
> Scotty’s Castle is closed due to crazy flooding, unfortunately. However, I 
> loved the route we took to get to White. We didn’t see any cars between 
> mile 40 and mile 165. Great place to (carefully) have a bike adventure.


Epic Suffer Score, indeed.  Was this some kind of event?

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[RBW] Re: FS: Bags - Fabio's Chest, RoadRunner, Revelate

[Daniel Jackson]

Revelate and Fabio sold.

RoadRunner bags remain.

On Monday, November 6, 2017 at 11:03:37 AM UTC-5, Daniel Jackson wrote:
>
> All prices include CONUS shipping. Photos here 
> . 
>
> UltraSwift Fabio's Chest, Large. NIB. $195
> RoadRunner Bags Jammer, Jumbo. Rust Cordura. NIB. $145
> RoadRunner Bags Jammer, Jumbo. Purple Cordura. NIB. $145
> Revelate Designs Viscacha. Light use. $75
>
> Thanks for looking.  
>
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[RBW] Big clyde wears out Soma Weymouth 650B faster than anticipated...

[Jim Bronson]

I had this wheelset with 650b Weymouths built in mid 2014, the back rim is 
worn out already.  I rode it quite a bit in the 2nd half of 2014 and 1st 
half of 2015, then due to personal circumstances I didn't ride much at all 
the rest of 2015 and most of 2016.  I'm just now getting back into riding 
more, did a 75 miler on the 28th and feeling pretty good.  I'm estimating 
6800KM in RUSA rides and then maybe a couple thousand more just riding 
around and training rides.  So about 5500ish miles or so on these.

I was going to take it out on this last Saturday for a 100k RUSA populaire 
but I wanted to true it up first.  Well upon further inspection...I had 
broken a spoke.  I was able to get it fairly true in my stand even with 
only 35 out of 36 spokes.  But then upon a more careful inspection of the 
rim, several of the eyelets are cracked and pulling through, additionally 
it looked like I had a few more spokes that were marginal.  I took it to 
the shop that built it and they said the rim was done and they recommended 
getting a new rim, so basically a whole wheel rebuild, rim, spokes, the 
whole 9 yards.

I admit that I am pretty tough on rims due to my large size - 6'7" and 
300ish currently.  And I've been through quite a few rear wheels over the 
years.  But throughout it's life on my bike I've always had 38mm LoupLoup 
Pass mostly inflated in the 50-60 psi range.  I'm an experienced cyclist 
that doesn't go running over potholes and off curbs.  In other words I know 
my rear wheel is a limiting factor and I try not to beat on it.

I had higher hopes for this rim due to it seeming to have a fairly robust 
construction but I guess I was just too much for it.  The shop was going to 
get me a replacement build fairly cheaply, maybe a warranty rim, don't 
know, but due to the difficulty of properly mounting Compass tires on it, 
and a few blowoffs that I had, I declined to get another Weymouth.  It's 
more the tire mounting issue than anything, I have to really be careful 
mounting my tires, which is pretty inconvenient when you're doing timed 
events like brevets.  I generally put about 10psi in them and go all the 
way around the rim with my thumbs making sure the bead is properly seated, 
before fully inflating them.  The blowoff issue has not been a problem in 
recent times as I learned to not pump the tires above 60 psi.  If you pump 
to max sidewall pressure which is 75psi on LoupLoups there tended to be 
more problems with random blowoffs.

I was going to do a Pacenti Brevet, but, I have a pair of brand new 2nd gen 
Pacenti PL23 hanging from my garage ceiling that I bought a few years back 
when Kirk was selling them off.  I think I will get both the front and back 
done.  Maybe not so great considering my personal heft but I talked with 
Kirk personally about these rims and my size and he said he'd warranty them 
if I had an issue.  So, I will try them.

Just wanted to give some feedback on these to the group...

-Jim

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[RBW] Re: FS: Sage Green 64cm Rivendell Rambouillet Frameset

[Keith Muller]

Sorry about that.  

Try this link.  Should have all the pics *>  
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B-2NeF-6iHHVUFVaWkJKdHhWWUk?usp=sharing 
*

On Monday, November 6, 2017 at 9:48:13 AM UTC-6, Matt wrote:
>
> Perhaps I am doing something wrong, but the link seems only to direct me 
> to one picture.

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[RBW] Re: Tubeless Maintenance

[Jeremy Till]

Most of my tubeless experience is with Stan's.  It's definitely not a bad 
idea to remove some of the build up, but I wouldn't consider it vital, 
especially after only 4 months--I'd just add sealant at that point.  Maybe 
once a year or so?  For mountain bikers who often slash their tires on 
rocks, that might very well be "the life of the tire" so I'd imagine there 
are those that never worry about it.  I find scrubbing the inside of the 
tire with a rag takes it off pretty easily.  

Tires with thinner sidewalls (as probably preferred by most running 
tubeless on this list) will often "weep" sealant through the sidewalls, at 
least for some period after initial setup, after which the sealant seems to 
fill up the little micro-pores and the tire will hold air longer--almost 
like oil "seasoning" a cast iron pan.  So at least some of the sealant 
buildup on the inside of the tire might be useful in making it more 
airtight.  

On Sunday, November 5, 2017 at 5:32:03 AM UTC-8, Kellie wrote:
>
> Well, I am using Stan's, but tubeless. Any Stan's users to weight in here? 
> Thanks Nels, Phillip and Patrick.
>
> On Saturday, November 4, 2017 at 2:16:57 PM UTC-7, Kellie wrote:
>>
>> So my sealant is lasting about 4 months before I have to replenish. 
>> Should one do some cleaning of interior parts at some point to get rid of 
>> dried, old sealant?
>>
>

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[RBW] FS: Bags - Fabio's Chest, RoadRunner, Revelate

[Daniel Jackson]

All prices include CONUS shipping. Photos here 
. 

UltraSwift Fabio's Chest, Large. NIB. $195
RoadRunner Bags Jammer, Jumbo. Rust Cordura. NIB. $145
RoadRunner Bags Jammer, Jumbo. Purple Cordura. NIB. $145
Revelate Designs Viscacha. Light use. $75

Thanks for looking.  

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[RBW] Re: 3-Speed MTBing Resources?

[Jeremy Till]

The thing about 3 speed hubs is that they're really designed for relatively 
low torque applications, namely commuting in mostly flat cities.  I wonder 
about their longevity when they're exposed them to the kind of torques 
involved with climbing a steep trail offroad.  Jobst Brandt, king of 
torque, didn't like older SA 3spds because they could pop out of gear under 
load, potentially causing injury to the rider standing on the pedals:

http://yarchive.net/bike/sturmey_archer_hubs.html

I think the newer hubs with redesigned pawl system are less prone to do 
that, but they're still not designed for high peak load applications.  And 
while they are probably better sealed than the old ones, I don't think they 
are super well sealed compared to, say, a cartridge bearing freehub.  

One other thing to consider is that, especially with a brand new IGH, there 
is noticeable friction in the other-than-direct gears.  In the low gear 
especially, this is apparent as vibration in the pedals.  I know that with 
your brain injury, Patrick, you can be sensitive to sounds and smells, do 
you think this type of vibration might be problematic?

All of this is theoretical coming from me, since I haven't tried it. I 
think there was an IGH forum on MTBR, which may have people who have 
actually tried it.  It's been many years since I lurked over there though.  

On Monday, November 6, 2017 at 4:16:58 AM UTC-8, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Patrick of the Moore asked with cocked eyebrow on a tilted head, me 
> squintin’ back at ‘im, puffin’ me pipe: “I'm curious as to your motive.” 
> Grin. 
>
> Hearty simplicity with just enough practicality added to make it work. 
> Grin. My general approach to things is to try (for a minimum of three 
> months) the simplest way to do something. Doing so ALWAYS teaches me a LOT 
> and often the lessons are often utterly counter to anything I thought I 
> knew. I’ve spoken about doing this with going barefoot (where I 
> “discovered” the idea), and then floor living. A more recent iteration of 
> it is with writing. My first drafts are now all cursive on 5” x 7” 
> notebooks, in pencil, holding it completely differently from what is taught 
> (but as is shown in paintings almost universally from 300ish to 1,800s) and 
> sharpened to a 1.1mm lead. Without going into the mind numbing details, 
> this promotes flow of thought (and gets me past my brain injury challenges 
> of focus and losing train of thought), whereas typing and print are very 
> staccato. 
>
> Since I’ve had the Quickbeam and shifted the Hunqapillar to a 1x9 38t x 
> 12-36t with manual bailout chainring of 24t (no front DR), I have often had 
> the thought “I only need rather wide spaced gearing, 3-5 gears, with a 
> really low gearing option for bikepacking. The QB is my “as simple as it 
> can be done” bike and it continues to teach me a LOT. Grin. I’m now 
> striving to apply that to the Hunqapillar. 
>
> From what I’ve read the new Taiwanese Sturmey Archers are vast 
> improvements over the post 1950’s British made mediocre ones. They are 
> sealed (at least more so) than what you rode. 
>
> Why IGH? Weatherproofing. Why 3? Heartiest, beefiest around. Greatest gear 
> range per gear, giving a 2 x 3 drive the same or slightly greater range as 
> my current 2x cassette. 
>
> With abandon, 
> Patrick

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[RBW] FS: Sage Green 64cm Rivendell Rambouillet Frameset

[Matt]

Perhaps I am doing something wrong, but the link seems only to direct me to one 
picture.

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[RBW] Anyone know about cycling Death Valley

[Jonathan Neve]

I rode there last week, from Badwater Basin to the peak of White Mountain. 
Cached water along the way at a few different spots. Temperature range was 
28-99 degrees. 

Here’s a link to the Strava file: https://www.strava.com/activities/1253071477

Scotty’s Castle is closed due to crazy flooding, unfortunately. However, I 
loved the route we took to get to White. We didn’t see any cars between mile 40 
and mile 165. Great place to (carefully) have a bike adventure. 

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[RBW] Re: 3-Speed MTBing Resources?

[lconley]

My 1st fifty miler (getting the Cycling Merit Badge in the Boy Scouts) in 
1969 was on a Schwinn Stingray with a Bendix 2 speed kickback hub. 
Extremely reliable hub, the modern SA, kind of iffy. I have had two of the 
modern SA hubs and they both clicked (clunked?) loudly when under any sort 
heavy braking - downhill usually (I live in Florida so downhill is a 
relative term). I never put a lot of miles on either, but they were not 
confidence inspiring. The Bendix survived many, many miles of use including 
twice daily, heavily loaded newspaper delivery for three years (~150 
customers) without a peep.

Laing


On Monday, November 6, 2017 at 8:49:42 AM UTC-5, Takashi wrote:

> Sturmey Archer's 2-speed hub with built-in coaster brake?
> http://www.sturmey-archer.com/en/products/detail/s2c-silver
>
> Back pedaling slightly shifts gear, back pedaling more applies brake.
> Doesn't require cables!
> I have test ridden it for only a very short distance, so I can't tell 
> about its effectiveness or durability.
>
> Takashi
>
>

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[RBW] FS: Rock and Road Tires, Continental Speedkings, Shimano MTB Levers

[Timothy Hurley]

Sale pending on everything 

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[RBW] Re: 3-Speed MTBing Resources?

[Takashi]

Sturmey Archer's 2-speed hub with built-in coaster brake?
http://www.sturmey-archer.com/en/products/detail/s2c-silver

Back pedaling slightly shifts gear, back pedaling more applies brake.
Doesn't require cables!
I have test ridden it for only a very short distance, so I can't tell about 
its effectiveness or durability.

Takashi

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[RBW] Anyone know about cycling Death Valley

[Christopher Cote]

I spent a week there in 2011, but on a motorcycle, not a bicycle. I'll echo 
previous sentiments about the scale of the place. It's huge. And steep. You're 
either climbing or descending one side or the other at all times. Check the NPS 
road reports they put out each morning. Weather can be dramatic. 

I think I liked the Panamint range side, and Panamint valley the best. Panamint 
springs campground is a good base camp. Ballarat is pretty cool. There's old 
mining cabins outside the park you can stay in. No power or water, though. 

Scotty's Castle is worth a visit.

Have fun and post some pics when you get back!

Chris 

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[RBW] Re: 3-Speed MTBing Resources?

[jeffrey kane]

I think you're getting onto something there -- 3 speed MTN bikes could be 
the new single speed MTN bikes. Now, which company would take that on? A 
super durable, lightweight 3sp. IG hub and stealthy shifter (no doubt 
incorporating some sort of dropper seat post button as well). I vote for 
Sram to do it -- and wait for it ... *wirelessly* as well (!) (Cue the 
groans and gasps from the peanut gallery).

Cool idea though.

Jeffrey (one day I'm sure I'll one an eTap drive train) Kane

On Monday, November 6, 2017 at 7:16:58 AM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Patrick of the Moore asked with cocked eyebrow on a tilted head, me 
> squintin’ back at ‘im, puffin’ me pipe: “I'm curious as to your motive.” 
> Grin. 
>
> Hearty simplicity with just enough practicality added to make it work. 
> Grin. My general approach to things is to try (for a minimum of three 
> months) the simplest way to do something. Doing so ALWAYS teaches me a LOT 
> and often the lessons are often utterly counter to anything I thought I 
> knew. I’ve spoken about doing this with going barefoot (where I 
> “discovered” the idea), and then floor living. A more recent iteration of 
> it is with writing. My first drafts are now all cursive on 5” x 7” 
> notebooks, in pencil, holding it completely differently from what is taught 
> (but as is shown in paintings almost universally from 300ish to 1,800s) and 
> sharpened to a 1.1mm lead. Without going into the mind numbing details, 
> this promotes flow of thought (and gets me past my brain injury challenges 
> of focus and losing train of thought), whereas typing and print are very 
> staccato. 
>
> Since I’ve had the Quickbeam and shifted the Hunqapillar to a 1x9 38t x 
> 12-36t with manual bailout chainring of 24t (no front DR), I have often had 
> the thought “I only need rather wide spaced gearing, 3-5 gears, with a 
> really low gearing option for bikepacking. The QB is my “as simple as it 
> can be done” bike and it continues to teach me a LOT. Grin. I’m now 
> striving to apply that to the Hunqapillar. 
>
> From what I’ve read the new Taiwanese Sturmey Archers are vast 
> improvements over the post 1950’s British made mediocre ones. They are 
> sealed (at least more so) than what you rode. 
>
> Why IGH? Weatherproofing. Why 3? Heartiest, beefiest around. Greatest gear 
> range per gear, giving a 2 x 3 drive the same or slightly greater range as 
> my current 2x cassette. 
>
> With abandon, 
> Patrick

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[RBW] 3-Speed MTBing Resources?

[Deacon Patrick]

Patrick of the Moore asked with cocked eyebrow on a tilted head, me squintin’ 
back at ‘im, puffin’ me pipe: “I'm curious as to your motive.” Grin.

Hearty simplicity with just enough practicality added to make it work. Grin. My 
general approach to things is to try (for a minimum of three months) the 
simplest way to do something. Doing so ALWAYS teaches me a LOT and often the 
lessons are often utterly counter to anything I thought I knew. I’ve spoken 
about doing this with going barefoot (where I “discovered” the idea), and then 
floor living. A more recent iteration of it is with writing. My first drafts 
are now all cursive on 5” x 7” notebooks, in pencil, holding it completely 
differently from what is taught (but as is shown in paintings almost 
universally from 300ish to 1,800s) and sharpened to a 1.1mm lead. Without going 
into the mind numbing details, this promotes flow of thought (and gets me past 
my brain injury challenges of focus and losing train of thought), whereas 
typing and print are very staccato.

Since I’ve had the Quickbeam and shifted the Hunqapillar to a 1x9 38t x 12-36t 
with manual bailout chainring of 24t (no front DR), I have often had the 
thought “I only need rather wide spaced gearing, 3-5 gears, with a really low 
gearing option for bikepacking. The QB is my “as simple as it can be done” bike 
and it continues to teach me a LOT. Grin. I’m now striving to apply that to the 
Hunqapillar. 

>From what I’ve read the new Taiwanese Sturmey Archers are vast improvements 
>over the post 1950’s British made mediocre ones. They are sealed (at least 
>more so) than what you rode.

Why IGH? Weatherproofing. Why 3? Heartiest, beefiest around. Greatest gear 
range per gear, giving a 2 x 3 drive the same or slightly greater range as my 
current 2x cassette.

With abandon,
Patrick

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