[RBW] Re: Phil "Rivy" freewheel wheelset opinions?

[Paul Y]

As of 20 November 2017 it appears they still have them in stock 

.

I have several Shimano "Tourney" 7 speed freewheels in a drawer that I must 
have got for about 10 bucks each.
I really love this hub... I got mine in 2010. I agree with "9 is fine, 8 is 
great, 7 is heaven".

On Monday, November 20, 2017 at 8:22:14 AM UTC+8, Belopsky wrote:
>
> So these hubs are gone gone right?
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Joe Appaloosa, 58cm, butternut

[Max S]

That’s a nice set up! Tempting for sure. Would need to sell off some stuff... 

Anyhow, weren’t the Appas intended for swept back bars?.. What’s the distance 
between back of saddle to bar clamp (and/or nose of saddle to center of stem 
fixing bolt)?.. 

- Max in A2 

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[RBW] Re: Minimalist cycling shoe article.

[lum gim fong]

I felt the article was akin to Grant's articles about biking hacks, like 
fixing up sagging Brooks saddles, etc.

Also, It mentioned a minimalist shoe that works well for biking, and 
mentioned a type of pedal that a recent thread here discussed. So I thought 
it would be of interest to some here.

I am interested in trying minimalist shoes because I have had two surgeries 
to remove arthritic growths on tops of both of my big toe joints right 
where dress shoes rub me when I walk. Not saying that was the cause, but 
must not have been good for me.
These days it is hard to find a dress shoe that doesn't break over the big 
toe joint painfully, and is also wide enough for my wide foot. And I am not 
wanting to hurt my feet anymore by walking in uncomfortable shoes.


So I found a few minimalist dress shoes that I hope will not torment my 
feet like conventional dress shoes do. I am going to try the Lems Nine2Five 
shoe and see if that makes my feet go hh :)

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[RBW] Re: FS Salsa Fargo Titanium large

[Bruce Smitham]

Bump

On Sunday, October 29, 2017 at 11:06:00 AM UTC-7, Bruce Smitham wrote:
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> For sales is my Salsa Fargo Titanium size large in excellent condition. 
> Less than 1,000 miles. No dents, dings, chips or scratches. There is some 
> normal rub marks from cables and some light rubbing on the crank arms and 
> tips. $2,000 + shipping CONUS via bikeflights. Prefer local pick up in 
> San Diego. I'm just not using this bike and it kind of overlaps with my 
> other Salsa Ti bikes. Thanks for looking and happy to answer any questions, 
> Bruce (310) 968-6910
>
> Here are the original specs and geometry chart from the Salsa archive 
> website: http://salsacycles.com/bikes/archive/2013_fargo_ti 
> Below is a spec list with upgrades listed below:
> Salsa Fargo Ti Frameset- large
> CroMoly Fork 1-1 1/8" with mid fork & 3 water bottle mount braze-ons on 
> each blade
> SRAM S1400 26/38 double crankset with 175mm arms
> SRAM Front Derailleur X.7
> SRAM Rear Derailleur X.O
> SRAM PG-1070 11/36 cassette
> DT Swiss 350 hubs 32H
> DT Swiss Competition spokes
> Stans NoTubes Arch rims
> KMC X.10 chain
> Cane Creek 40 ZS44 headset
> UPGRADES:
> New Schwalbe Thunder Burt 2.25mm tubeless tires
> Tubeless valves & Orange Sealant
> New XT Ice-Tech centerlock rotors- 180mm front & 160mm rear
> New XT Hydraulic disc brake rotors and brake levers
> New SRAM X9 2 x 10 thumb shifters
> New Jones Loop Handlebars 710mm wide
> New ESI Extra Chunky long grips
> New Brooks Cambium C17 saddle black
> New Thomson Elite seatpost black
> New VP-001 thin gripster pedals black
> New DT Swiss Ratchet skewers
> New Kalloy high rise stem 30 degree X 90mm length
> New shifter cables
> Photos: 
> https://www.flickr.com/gp/122325667@N08/Sj0f5t  
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Minimalist cycling shoe article.

[nash5510]

Werent heels made for riding in stirrups?  

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[RBW] Re: FS 51 Joe Appaloosa silver

[Andrew Huston]

$1700 plus shipping

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[RBW] Re: WTB: 175mm SILVER crank; left crankarm Pro 5 Vis - 170mm

[Belopsky]

bump

On Wednesday, November 15, 2017 at 10:05:00 PM UTC-5, Belopsky wrote:
>
> Double or triple? Probably just Double. Riv still has the 170mm but I want 
> the 175mm
>
> lemme know..thanks..
>
> Also wanted is a TA Pro 5 Vis left crankarm only..
>
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[RBW] Re: FS: Grabsack, like new, $40

[Philip Williamson]

Rats! Mine is a daily bag, but it took a header off my front seat and landed on 
a wet painting. It already looked more “art student” than “corporate drone” 
before it got stippled with paint.

Philip
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[RBW] Quickbeam Winter-bike

[Philip Williamson]

Good on you! That looks great. I’m glad you went the Quickbeam route. I hope 
fixed works for you, just because that’s a pet of mine, like the QB. I notice 
the soft-pedal while braking gives better control than simple braking, too, and 
fixed is indeed more of that, but easier.

Philip
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Santa Rosa, CA (snow every 10 or 20 years)

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Re: [RBW] Re: Winter tires - studded

[Bob B]

>
> But there are those days, when you're riding home from work after dark, 
> and it's been a bit above freezing with the sun out, and the snow banks on 
> each side of the road were in melt mode for several hours, and now the 
> temperature is 29, it's an hour after sundown, and all of that water has 
> frozen, and your lights don't clearly show the difference between clear 
> pavement and icy pavement, yup, those are the days when your ride home is 
> very slow.
>

Yep, that's exactly why I ordered a pair of the A10s from you last month, 
Peter! Too bad about the shipping delay from the manufacturer. Excited to 
get them. On my Velocity Synergies it looks like they'll measure pretty 
much the same as my Marathons, which I use otherwise throughout the year on 
my commuter.

Bob
Brooklyn, NY

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Re: [RBW] Here is an infrastructure proposal so crazy it just might work!

[Belopsky]

What I want to know is:
Who will plow the lanes in winter?
>
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Re: [RBW] Hubbahhubbah build question - Motolite brakes?

[Jeremy Tavan]

Thanks David and Igor for the input. The solution, as it turned out, was 
just a little more brute force and ignorance. The fit of the rear dropouts 
on the rear hub was tight, and I hadn't gotten it fully seated. A little 
extra oomph and now things look like they'll line up.

David, that build looks reasonably close to what I'm doing on mine. Looks 
nice! I found that I had to use the skinnier of the two concave washers on 
the pad side of the brakes to make the wide rims fit, but it didn't require 
actual removal of any of the hardware. 

I'll get this thing buttoned up and take some pictures when I can. Just 
need to mount some tires, grips, pedals, racks, and lights. 

/Jeremy

On Sunday, November 19, 2017 at 4:29:29 PM UTC-8, spru...@gmail.com wrote:
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> Jeremy,
>
> I used Motolite brakes on a Hubbahhubbah, and the fit was fussy. I had to 
> remove some of the adjustment hardware behind the pads in order to have 
> more space to play with. In the end, the brakes are great stoppers with 
> lots of control. 
>
> You can see some pictures here:
>
> https://onedrive.live.com/?authkey=%21ABpyOee9cmpDYo8=03365C725CAF2D0E=3365C725CAF2D0E%2156693=3365C725CAF2D0E%2156689=OneUp
> There's one toward the end that shows one side of the rear brake with the 
> stripped hardware.
>
> David Sprunger
> Fargo, ND
>
> On Sun, Nov 19, 2017 at 5:15 PM, Jeremy Tavan  > wrote:
>
>> I'm building up a Hubbahhubbah, and everything has gone very smoothly (at 
>> least after getting the defective eccentric bottom bracket replaced), even 
>> though this is my first full-bike build from parts. I have run in to one 
>> challenge, however, involving the brakes. I've picked Paul Motolite 
>> linear-pull brakes and Velocity Cliffhanger rims, and the front brakes 
>> installed and adjusted very easily, with maybe 2-3mm of extra travel 
>> available to move the pad holders downwards before running out of lever 
>> arm. On the rear, however, even with the pad holders all the way down I 
>> cannot get the pads to land square on the brake track. It feels like the 
>> rear brake braze-ons are positioned slightly too high on the seatstays. 
>> Should I just live with it, with the brake pads hitting the rim at an angle 
>> right at the top of the brake track? Replace the wheels with 29ers? Tear 
>> the whole thing apart and have the braze-ons moved and the whole thing 
>> repainted? Try different brakes? I'm kind of bummed about this. Advice 
>> welcome!
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[RBW] WTB: Phil Rivy hubs

[Belopsky]

Looks like Riv still has 1 front 32H so if someone has a 32 (or 36) rear...

Thanks

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Re: [RBW] Hubbahhubbah build question - Motolite brakes?

[David Sprunger]

Jeremy,

I used Motolite brakes on a Hubbahhubbah, and the fit was fussy. I had to
remove some of the adjustment hardware behind the pads in order to have
more space to play with. In the end, the brakes are great stoppers with
lots of control.

You can see some pictures here:
https://onedrive.live.com/?authkey=%21ABpyOee9cmpDYo8=03365C725CAF2D0E=3365C725CAF2D0E%2156693=3365C725CAF2D0E%2156689=OneUp
There's one toward the end that shows one side of the rear brake with the
stripped hardware.

David Sprunger
Fargo, ND

On Sun, Nov 19, 2017 at 5:15 PM, Jeremy Tavan  wrote:

> I'm building up a Hubbahhubbah, and everything has gone very smoothly (at
> least after getting the defective eccentric bottom bracket replaced), even
> though this is my first full-bike build from parts. I have run in to one
> challenge, however, involving the brakes. I've picked Paul Motolite
> linear-pull brakes and Velocity Cliffhanger rims, and the front brakes
> installed and adjusted very easily, with maybe 2-3mm of extra travel
> available to move the pad holders downwards before running out of lever
> arm. On the rear, however, even with the pad holders all the way down I
> cannot get the pads to land square on the brake track. It feels like the
> rear brake braze-ons are positioned slightly too high on the seatstays.
> Should I just live with it, with the brake pads hitting the rim at an angle
> right at the top of the brake track? Replace the wheels with 29ers? Tear
> the whole thing apart and have the braze-ons moved and the whole thing
> repainted? Try different brakes? I'm kind of bummed about this. Advice
> welcome!
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[RBW] Re: Phil "Rivy" freewheel wheelset opinions?

[Belopsky]

So these hubs are gone gone right?

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[RBW] Re: Hubbahhubbah build question - Motolite brakes?

[Jeremy Tavan]

That build makes me kind of wish they'd had a small orange in stock when my 
wife told me to buy a tandem frame and build it up. Super bold colors! Mine 
is a much more sedate blue with black accents. Ahh well. 

Regardless, while Motolites may have worked for that frame (and at least 
one other I've seen, I think?), I really don't think the fit is working on 
mine. I guess I could swap in some canti brakes and short-pull levers and 
see if I have better luck getting those adjusted. 

On Sunday, November 19, 2017 at 3:59:56 PM UTC-8, Belopsky wrote:
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/145205068@N02/34169575094/in/dateposted/
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Re: [RBW] Here is an infrastructure proposal so crazy it just might work!

[Patrick Moore]

Good for Kalamazoo.

You say you dislike bike lanes. I'm not disagreeing (yet, anyway) but I'm
curious what problems you have in mind. I've used both here in ABQ, NM and
can't say that I've found one worse or better than the other -- though
there are certainly some bike lanes that are less than ideal, as when a
narrow bike lane is adjacent to a multilane cross town blvd where cars go
50. Is this the sort of bike lane you have in mind?

I would guess that bike lanes, or dedicated bike paths closed to auto
traffic, but these would be hard to fund, are the only reasonably available
bike routes when it comes to cross-town routes in relatively sparsely
populated western cities?

On Sun, Nov 19, 2017 at 7:03 AM, Marc Irwin  wrote:

> I thought I would share what is happening in our little neck of the woods
> in SW Michigan.
> 
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Minimalist cycling shoe article.

[Deacon Patrick]

Humans are highly adaptable, and we often adapt to things less than ideal and 
yet continue to do amazing things along the way. Democracy of the herd buying 
mostly raised heels doesn’t answer the question: what does a raised heel 
accomplish?

With abandon,
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[RBW] Re: Hubbahhubbah build question - Motolite brakes?

[Belopsky]

https://www.flickr.com/photos/145205068@N02/34169575094/in/dateposted/

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[RBW] Re: Hubbahhubbah build question - Motolite brakes?

[Belopsky]

Definitely not having the braze-ons moved LOL

On Sunday, November 19, 2017 at 6:15:39 PM UTC-5, Jeremy Tavan wrote:
>
> I'm building up a Hubbahhubbah, and everything has gone very smoothly (at 
> least after getting the defective eccentric bottom bracket replaced), even 
> though this is my first full-bike build from parts. I have run in to one 
> challenge, however, involving the brakes. I've picked Paul Motolite 
> linear-pull brakes and Velocity Cliffhanger rims, and the front brakes 
> installed and adjusted very easily, with maybe 2-3mm of extra travel 
> available to move the pad holders downwards before running out of lever 
> arm. On the rear, however, even with the pad holders all the way down I 
> cannot get the pads to land square on the brake track. It feels like the 
> rear brake braze-ons are positioned slightly too high on the seatstays. 
> Should I just live with it, with the brake pads hitting the rim at an angle 
> right at the top of the brake track? Replace the wheels with 29ers? Tear 
> the whole thing apart and have the braze-ons moved and the whole thing 
> repainted? Try different brakes? I'm kind of bummed about this. Advice 
> welcome!
>

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[RBW] Re: What do Rivendell Riders use for minimalist dress and biking shoes?

[Bruce K Jamison]

my favorite no drop, or "minimal" in this instance are Merrells.  I used to 
think all that Merrell made were the no drop style, now it seems they had 
expanded their line to everything imaginable.Anything with "glove" in 
the name is worth looking at.  

http://www.merrell.com/US/en/vapor-glove-3/29193M.html?dwvar_29193M_color=J09677#cgid=men-footwear-view-all=1

On Sunday, November 19, 2017 at 4:49:55 AM UTC-6, Garth wrote:
>
> Patrick of the Moore's , just think of "minimal" shoes as a generalized 
> term for shoes with no drop from heel to toe and little to no padding. No 
> drop meaning no elevated heel. Sometimes confused with the term "barefoot" 
> style shoes which only infers the most minimal shoes of all which are 
> supposed to be "like" walking barefoot. The term like all words only serves 
> as a symbol, a guidepost of sorts, to those shoes that allow you to feel 
> the ground as much as possible without any artifical structure or pads, 
> "like" walking barefoot. Nothing compares to barefoot of course, it's just 
> a shoe term. 
>
> You know how it feels walking around in socks , yes ? Now picture gluing 
> on a 2mm layer of flexible rubber on them that would be the closest 
> sort of footwear to walking barefoot. Few "minimal" style shoes offer such 
> feel as they add padding of some sort which numbs the feel of the ground. 
> Walking barefoot and landing naturally forefoot you don't need padding of 
> any kind because it involves the whole body. 
>
>
> The market of "minimal" shoes seems like a 'tweener between raised heel 
> heavily padded and "barefoot" style shoes, like a way to get used to zero 
> drop while still being padded to varying degrees. 
>
> Again, these are generalizations and generally very general like all 
> generalizations .☺ 
>
> - - - 
>
> All that said, If I must wear shoes I wear some Softstar RunAmoc Original 
> shoes with the 2mm street soles which look at good as they feel and you can 
> customize them in all sorts of leathers and different soles. These feel 
> like wearing socks with 2mm rubber glued on. This particlar version fits my 
> higher arched feet really well as they are taller and only lace around the 
> very top. Very clean look and look great everywhere from sport to formal. 
>
>
> I also wear Merrell Vapor Glove 2, also like wearing a sock but more 
> sloppy on my feet around the toes. The all black ones could pass as dress 
> casual easily.   
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Re: [RBW] Re: Minimalist cycling shoe article.

[Garth]

People will wear whatever they wish, the more the merrier !  People use the 
idea of "this is how man was" and "this is how man evolved" therefore "this is 
man is supposed to be" only to promote whatever they are trying to sell you, be 
it goods or a way of life. 

These dayze we have the same ol' isms in "new clothing". Like a game of ping 
pong, back and forth . the game of polarities the same ol'good vs. evil 
theme. This is good, that is bad, I'm right and you'e wrong  blah blah 
blah. You can argue 'till the cows come home about "who what where when and 
why" is true, but no one can deny or claim for themselves the absolute fact 
that Truth Itself exists, and any subsequent side-taking is impossibly futile 
because Truth is all there is. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: What do Rivendell Riders use for minimalist dress and biking shoes?

[Patrick Moore]

Understood; thanks.

My brother tried those "feets gloves" and injured his feet, though he
admits that was because he ran to much too soon in them, but he's back to
regular running shoes, albeit not ones that are too structured.

I was a toddler in the '50s and my brother was a toddler in the early '60s,
and I recall the Buster Brown ankle laceups that were meant to form the wee
foot, or at least support it, which shows how medical science goes in and
out of fashion. Still, I don't see any way that I or my siblings have
suffered from excessively restrained feet as we got older. I recall being
shocked as a boy when I heard how fashionable women would get their little
toes cut off to fit their feet into the extremely pointed spike heels
fashionable back about the time of JFK and Sputnik.

Aside, anecdote, humorous, main thread, not germane to, dismiss if you
like: I bought a pair of cheap Wellingtons in college that I was very fond
of, since they made me look like a hot orangoutang on horseback (just
kidding you, Patrick). A friend and I went on a day in/day back out hike in
the mountains in middle Ca, forget the park -- Redwood Nat'l Park? -- and I
wore the boots over cheap cotton socks. Not comfortable! I still wear
cowboy boots when not wearing my boat shoes, but not to hike in, and yes,
for looks (but they are comfortable for standing around in).

On Sun, Nov 19, 2017 at 3:49 AM, Garth  wrote:

> Patrick of the Moore's , just think of "minimal" shoes as a generalized
> term for shoes with no drop from heel to toe and little to no padding. No
> drop meaning no elevated heel. Sometimes confused with the term "barefoot"
> style shoes which only infers the most minimal shoes of all which are
> supposed to be "like" walking barefoot. The term like all words only serves
> as a symbol, a guidepost of sorts, to those shoes that allow you to feel
> the ground as much as possible without any artifical structure or pads,
> "like" walking barefoot. Nothing compares to barefoot of course, it's just
> a shoe term.
>
> You know how it feels walking around in socks , yes ? Now picture gluing
> on a 2mm layer of flexible rubber on them that would be the closest
> sort of footwear to walking barefoot. Few "minimal" style shoes offer such
> feel as they add padding of some sort which numbs the feel of the ground.
> Walking barefoot and landing naturally forefoot you don't need padding of
> any kind because it involves the whole body.
>
>
> The market of "minimal" shoes seems like a 'tweener between raised heel
> heavily padded and "barefoot" style shoes, like a way to get used to zero
> drop while still being padded to varying degrees.
>
> Again, these are generalizations and generally very general like all
> generalizations .☺
>
> - - -
>
> All that said, If I must wear shoes I wear some Softstar RunAmoc Original
> shoes with the 2mm street soles which look at good as they feel and you can
> customize them in all sorts of leathers and different soles. These feel
> like wearing socks with 2mm rubber glued on. This particlar version fits my
> higher arched feet really well as they are taller and only lace around the
> very top. Very clean look and look great everywhere from sport to formal.
>
>
> I also wear Merrell Vapor Glove 2, also like wearing a sock but more
> sloppy on my feet around the toes. The all black ones could pass as dress
> casual easily.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Minimalist cycling shoe article.

[Patrick Moore]

What if I want to look like a noble orangutang on horseback? Or a hot noble?

Seriously, Patrick, people have walked the length of continents on heels. I
agree that there are extremes of style and that these are probably
injurious, but heels have been around too long to allow me to dismiss them
because a few people say they're bad. After all, the argument from
democracy isn't wholly invalid!

On Sun, Nov 19, 2017 at 4:30 PM, Deacon Patrick  wrote:

> Ha! Well, if you want to look like nobility on horseback or an orangutang
> in heat, raised heels are the way to go. To my knowledge those are the only
> functional reasons for a raised heel, other than messing up body mechanics.
> Sardonic grin.
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Minimalist cycling shoe article.

[Deacon Patrick]

Ha! Well, if you want to look like nobility on horseback or an orangutang in 
heat, raised heels are the way to go. To my knowledge those are the only 
functional reasons for a raised heel, other than messing up body mechanics. 
Sardonic grin.

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[RBW] Hubbahhubbah build question - Motolite brakes?

[Jeremy Tavan]

I'm building up a Hubbahhubbah, and everything has gone very smoothly (at 
least after getting the defective eccentric bottom bracket replaced), even 
though this is my first full-bike build from parts. I have run in to one 
challenge, however, involving the brakes. I've picked Paul Motolite 
linear-pull brakes and Velocity Cliffhanger rims, and the front brakes 
installed and adjusted very easily, with maybe 2-3mm of extra travel 
available to move the pad holders downwards before running out of lever 
arm. On the rear, however, even with the pad holders all the way down I 
cannot get the pads to land square on the brake track. It feels like the 
rear brake braze-ons are positioned slightly too high on the seatstays. 
Should I just live with it, with the brake pads hitting the rim at an angle 
right at the top of the brake track? Replace the wheels with 29ers? Tear 
the whole thing apart and have the braze-ons moved and the whole thing 
repainted? Try different brakes? I'm kind of bummed about this. Advice 
welcome!

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Re: [RBW] Re: "We’ll have “classic” single speed frames again...."

[Belopsky]

I wonder when we'll know more info? December is almost here

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rambouillet in orange metallic

[Patrick Moore]

FWIW, my 58 blue ram took 35 mm (nominal; Kojaks; actual about 31-32 on
Open Pros) with SKS fenders and room to spare.

On Sun, Nov 19, 2017 at 9:17 AM, lum gim fong  wrote:

> For my blue 54 rambouillet:
>
> 700c. -  I only have room for 28mm with fenders. For me this is the max
> for safety with fenders. 32 was too tight for my comfort zone.
>
> 650b- I now have 650b x 42 Compass tires and fenders with massive
> clearance all around on my 54 Rambouillet.
>
> https://www.flickr.com/gp/70237737@N00/8d6H11
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[RBW] Re: Rambouillet in orange metallic

[Don Compton]

That is a beautiful bicycle. Thanks for the pics.

On Sunday, November 19, 2017 at 8:17:17 AM UTC-8, lum gim fong wrote:
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> For my blue 54 rambouillet:
>
> 700c. -  I only have room for 28mm with fenders. For me this is the max 
> for safety with fenders. 32 was too tight for my comfort zone.
>
> 650b- I now have 650b x 42 Compass tires and fenders with massive 
> clearance all around on my 54 Rambouillet.
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Minimalist cycling shoe article.

[Patrick Moore]

Well, remember that what works for one will not always work for or be true
for another. My bike shoes feel fine, though I do have narrow feet, and
though I did go through a weeding process to leave behind only the shoes
that are comfortable -- comfortable in that you don't think about them when
you ride; I ride about 30 miles max, of course, but I don't hear Jan or
others complaining about their feet.

And shoes and boots with heels have been around for centuries if not
millennia, so, invoking the principle, *quod ab omnibus et semper et ubique*,
even if referring only to Europeans, indicates that with your typical shoe
you have something that may not be entirely irrational.

And to follow up with another argument, if people can cross continents
comfortably in good boots 

On Sun, Nov 19, 2017 at 9:41 AM, Deacon Patrick  wrote:

> Platform pedals and a minimalist shoe that fits. Done. No hacking
> required. But the point that cycling shoes are NOT foot shaped (unless
> you’ve deformed your feet in modern footbinders to make them last-shaped,
> sardonic grin), so if your foot is foot shaped, cycling shoes will fell
> horrible, even in the “right” size.
>
> Before a decent minimalist option came out for winter boots, I hacked the
> heel off some Sorels (far harder to do than I’d have thought). It was
> usable, and I have them as back up if needed, but far, far from ideal.
>
> With abandon,
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[RBW] Protovelo build

[lconley]

I braved the elements (70 deg F and clear skies) and took my Protovelo for 
a ride this morning, now that it is reassembled.

Frame: Protovelo with Appaloosa headbadge.
Wheels; Built by Peter White. 700c 48 spoke. Velocity Chukker rims. Phil 
Wood 9 speed cassette rear hub. Schmidt front dynohub, 50mm Big Bens.
Rivet Loveland saddle on Thompson zero offset 26.8 two bolt seatpost.
Sugino RD2 Crank (48T) on VO 103mm BB - Phil Wood platform pedals with 
Christophe half clips
Nitto Jitensha handlebars on Nitto dirtdrop stem with Rustines grips.
9 speed friction, Microshift rear derailleur, Grand Compe downtube shifter, 
Shimano 11 (12?) - 34 cassette
B Eyc headlight and saddle rail mounted Toplight Line Small tail light.
Tektro R556 brakes with Tektro Mountain levers
Detroit Cargo leather handlebar bag

The bike originally had Bosco Bullmoose handle bars, but they made me feel 
cramped. This was the only complete bike that I have ever bought from 
Rivendell, all the others were bare frames. I think only the headset, 
tires, rear derailleur and chain remain from what came on the bike at this 
point.  I will probably switch the seatpost out for a Nitto S83, I could 
still use some more distance from the handlebars. Rides very, very smooth - 
gotta love that long wheelbase. The 50 mm tires only have about 1/4 inch or 
so clearance from the brakes. The forks seem very flexible, any sort of a 
big bump and I can hear the front tire barely touch. Not sure about the 
downtube shifter, I like the simplicity and the clean handlebars, but I 
haven't gotten used to the shifting yet.

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[RBW] Re: Fender suggestions for a 26" wheeled Atlantis

[lconley]

Ben's Cycle (benscycle.com) carries a big selection of Honjo fenders.

Laing

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> Building upthe Atlantis frame I  bought here a few weeks ago and I've 
> happened upon a rather odd problem. Fender selection; or more precisely 
> lack there of! It's easy to find fenders for 26"wheels, but they all tend 
> to fall into either the balloon tire or mountain bike relms. The Atlantis 
> should take a medium width fender, I thought  VO had some at one point, but 
> no longer if they did. I was really leaning towards a Honjo type look, but 
> other then Wald and a few vintage things on ebay, I am coming up with 
> nothing!
> Suggestions!?

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[RBW] Re: Clem Smith Jr L - "done"

[Belopsky]

more photos: 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Minimalist cycling shoe article.

[Deacon Patrick]

Walking with a healthy gate involves a gentle heel first landing/roll onto a 
fully loaded foot which includes a dynamically moving arch helping support our 
weight as we pass over it to the next step. This does not apply to cycling. 
Running with a healthy gate involves a soft forefoot landing that activates and 
loads the foots windlass mechanism (the arch is part of this), as well as 
loading the springs of our legs, returning that energy through each step. This 
also does not apply to cycling.

Cycling is far more akin to doing squats in terms of how the foot functions: a 
static position pushing down to accomplish work. For the foot to function as 
fully as possible it should have a solid platform to push down on, and one both 
long and wide enough to fully support the foot’s natural splay and arch 
functions. This is why cycling shoes are a rigid platform (which makes sense) 
but they fail to generally be wide enough. With soft soled shoes, pedal size 
and shape come into play, and a longer pedal allows for the full arch of the 
foot to engage properly with each “squat.”

With abandon,
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Re: [RBW] Re: Minimalist cycling shoe article.

[Lee Legrand]

Hi Bruce,

I think they are mixing form and function.  The idea behind this is that
you are supposed to have a minimalist heal on the shoe but this applies to
walking and running, not cycling which has a another criteria. The rigid
sole for cycling is there for a reason and is it is related to cycling, not
how you walk.  I think an argument can be made for foot health that a
cycling shoe should be made wider but I am not a podiatrist.

On Sun, Nov 19, 2017 at 1:22 PM, Lee Legrand  wrote:

> Hi Garth,
>
> You are right in that health is not in a body part but I think shoes are
> built around the idea of narrow feet and what looks good as opposed regards
> to a foot is supposed to look like when it is healthy.  The LEMS shoes are
> wide box meaning they are have a box wide foot area up front because feet
> are supposed to function freely and not confined with a case like a shoe,
> at least that is my understanding of the website.  Feet are supposed to be
> wide and this promotes a healthy feet in that, you do not have bunions or
> foot deformities that come from wearing a narrow foot shoe.  In addition,
> the modern look of a shoe does not take into account those who have natural
> wide feet and as a person who does have wide feet, you see there are fewer
> selections of footwear.  If I would buy this shoes, it would fit me only
> because the box area is already wide and I do not have to check if it is
> wide enough for my feet to fit like a typical shoe but it is still not wide
> enough in a sense that it fits me well, but according to there philosophy,
> the box should actually be WIDER since my toes should be splayed out
> further.
>
> On Sun, Nov 19, 2017 at 12:26 PM, Garth  wrote:
>
>> Well gee, "health" is not isolated to any one body part, it either IS in
>> entirety or not at all, and there is no not.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Minimalist cycling shoe article.

[Lee Legrand]

Hi Garth,

You are right in that health is not in a body part but I think shoes are
built around the idea of narrow feet and what looks good as opposed regards
to a foot is supposed to look like when it is healthy.  The LEMS shoes are
wide box meaning they are have a box wide foot area up front because feet
are supposed to function freely and not confined with a case like a shoe,
at least that is my understanding of the website.  Feet are supposed to be
wide and this promotes a healthy feet in that, you do not have bunions or
foot deformities that come from wearing a narrow foot shoe.  In addition,
the modern look of a shoe does not take into account those who have natural
wide feet and as a person who does have wide feet, you see there are fewer
selections of footwear.  If I would buy this shoes, it would fit me only
because the box area is already wide and I do not have to check if it is
wide enough for my feet to fit like a typical shoe but it is still not wide
enough in a sense that it fits me well, but according to there philosophy,
the box should actually be WIDER since my toes should be splayed out
further.

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> entirety or not at all, and there is no not.
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Joe Appaloosa, 58cm, butternut

[Jonathan Neve]

790mm as pictured! Good question, thanks.

On Sun, Nov 19, 2017 at 12:01 PM stoker  wrote:

> On Sunday, November 19, 2017 at 8:43:59 AM UTC-6, Jonathan Neve wrote:
> > Reshuffling the garage and the stable a bit this winter and the trusty
> Appaloosa has to find a new, loving home. Posting here only because I’m
> certain it’ll get the love it deserves from someone in this group. Looking
> for $2000 plus shipping.
> >
> >
> > Front ring is a deanodized Wolf Tooth, in 38T. Cranks are 173mm “Silver”
> (stock option from the complete build). Rear cassette is a Sunrace 11-42
> and an XTR rear derailleur attached to a Wolf Tooth RoadLink. Shifting is
> flawless. Brakes are Paul Mini-Motos. Handlebar is a 46cm Noodle. Wheels
> have been set up tubeless in the past with these Cazaderos but are
> currently set up with tubes because I ran out of sealant and got lazy and
> had access to tubes. The wheels are stock. Headset is IRD with smooth
> needle bearings.
> >
> >
> > The bell is a hand hammered copper one from Nao Tomii of Tomii Cycles.
> Cages are King ti; if you want them, add $30 to the total price. Pedals are
> MKS Grip King. They have been superbly comfortable.
> >
> >
> > The rack is an older Salsa aluminum rack. Very light, very stable. I’ll
> include that with the basket attached if you want it, but not the bag that
> is pictured. If you are curious, there’s a small bag maker here in Austin
> called Realm Dark Label that makes Wald basket bags. This one is made of
> sailcloth and is very light. I love it.
> >
> >
> > More photos located here on my Google Drive:
> https://drive.google.com/open?id=1-7LxJRpDfjmgtpDhhTiFZxLZyXSGIZjN
> >
> >
> >
> > Original build photos here, just to show all the ways one might build up
> this rig:
> http://theradavist.com/2016/03/jonathans-rivendell-joe-appaloosa-touring-bike/
> >
> >
> > Thanks
>
>
> What is your saddle height (as pictured)? Thanks
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[RBW] Re: FS: Joe Appaloosa, 58cm, butternut

[stoker]

On Sunday, November 19, 2017 at 8:43:59 AM UTC-6, Jonathan Neve wrote:
> Reshuffling the garage and the stable a bit this winter and the trusty 
> Appaloosa has to find a new, loving home. Posting here only because I’m 
> certain it’ll get the love it deserves from someone in this group. Looking 
> for $2000 plus shipping. 
> 
> 
> Front ring is a deanodized Wolf Tooth, in 38T. Cranks are 173mm “Silver” 
> (stock option from the complete build). Rear cassette is a Sunrace 11-42 and 
> an XTR rear derailleur attached to a Wolf Tooth RoadLink. Shifting is 
> flawless. Brakes are Paul Mini-Motos. Handlebar is a 46cm Noodle. Wheels have 
> been set up tubeless in the past with these Cazaderos but are currently set 
> up with tubes because I ran out of sealant and got lazy and had access to 
> tubes. The wheels are stock. Headset is IRD with smooth needle bearings. 
> 
> 
> The bell is a hand hammered copper one from Nao Tomii of Tomii Cycles. Cages 
> are King ti; if you want them, add $30 to the total price. Pedals are MKS 
> Grip King. They have been superbly comfortable. 
> 
> 
> The rack is an older Salsa aluminum rack. Very light, very stable. I’ll 
> include that with the basket attached if you want it, but not the bag that is 
> pictured. If you are curious, there’s a small bag maker here in Austin called 
> Realm Dark Label that makes Wald basket bags. This one is made of sailcloth 
> and is very light. I love it. 
> 
> 
> More photos located here on my Google Drive: 
> https://drive.google.com/open?id=1-7LxJRpDfjmgtpDhhTiFZxLZyXSGIZjN
> 
> 
> 
> Original build photos here, just to show all the ways one might build up this 
> rig: 
> http://theradavist.com/2016/03/jonathans-rivendell-joe-appaloosa-touring-bike/
> 
> 
> Thanks


What is your saddle height (as pictured)? Thanks

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[RBW] Re: Quickbeam Winter-bike

[Deacon Patrick]

Patrick of the Moore, silt sand like you have down there doesn’t exist here, 
and I suspect these would be too narrow for you, but I experience these as 
having as much or more float, and far better control, in loose stuff as my 50 
Duremes of old. Plush tires simply handle all terrains better than stiffer 
tires.

With abandon,
Patrick of the Eelan’s

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[RBW] Re: Quickbeam Winter-bike

[Deacon Patrick]

Great minds think alike, Andy. Apparently, so do ours. Grin. I have a Sackville 
flap somewhere and it’s in the plan to drill and mount it.

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Re: FS: Quickbeam wheelset and Nitto Tallux+ Dove Handlebar

[Christopher Murray]

Everything sold!

Thanks all!

Chris

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[RBW] Re: Minimalist cycling shoe article.

[Deacon Patrick]

Platform pedals and a minimalist shoe that fits. Done. No hacking required. But 
the point that cycling shoes are NOT foot shaped (unless you’ve deformed your 
feet in modern footbinders to make them last-shaped, sardonic grin), so if your 
foot is foot shaped, cycling shoes will fell horrible, even in the “right” size.

Before a decent minimalist option came out for winter boots, I hacked the heel 
off some Sorels (far harder to do than I’d have thought). It was usable, and I 
have them as back up if needed, but far, far from ideal.

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Re: Minimalist cycling shoe article.

[Bruce K Jamison]

I can't understand the concern with heel elevation.   I don't place my 
heels on the pedals!  

And...cutting the bottom with a hacksaw?   Uh, no. 

On Sunday, November 19, 2017 at 12:39:37 AM UTC-6, lum gim fong wrote:
>
> https://naturalfootgear.com/blogs/education/17861648-cycling-shoe-surgery
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[RBW] Re: Allbird wool shoes? Your experiences?

[Bruce K Jamison]

I have 2 pair and will be getting more.  They are great.  I don't cycle in 
them and my Houston winters won't put them to much of a test.   But about 
cycling - no, I can't imagine riding in them for any appreciable distance. 
  Get a pair for comfort and every day wear, they are fabulous for that, 
but I advise something else for cycling.

On Friday, November 17, 2017 at 11:23:06 PM UTC-6, lum gim fong wrote:
>
> Anyone rode bikes in these before?
> Especially the lounger model?
> Are the soles stiff enough to not feel the pedal thru the shoe?
>
> Does the wool hold up well for every day wear and in winter temps?
>
> Thanks for the info.
>

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[RBW] Re: Quickbeam Winter-bike

[ascpgh]

Time to attach a long flaring mudflap off that front fender, Patrick! Even 
more of the road, path or trail will be kept off your downtube, BB, feet 
and drivetrain. I use some remnant torch-down flat roofing material, works 
fantastically. I'll send you a billet from my stock if you want.

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh 

On Saturday, November 18, 2017 at 4:50:50 PM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> In which I get the perfect day to test my arrived at the post this morning 
> Steilacoom knobbie tires and they impress through all the mess, slop, 
> champaign powder, snowpack, weird jello-gel mud, and my drivetrain didn’t 
> freeze up and I longed to have my new wheels so I can try fixed and have 
> brakes despite frozen rims. Grin.
> https://thegrid.ai/withabandon/quickbeam-winter-bike
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> www.CredoFamily.org
> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org
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[RBW] Re: Rambouillet in orange metallic

[lum gim fong]

For my blue 54 rambouillet:

700c. -  I only have room for 28mm with fenders. For me this is the max for 
safety with fenders. 32 was too tight for my comfort zone.

650b- I now have 650b x 42 Compass tires and fenders with massive clearance 
all around on my 54 Rambouillet.

https://www.flickr.com/gp/70237737@N00/8d6H11

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[RBW] Re: FS: Quickbeam wheelset and Nitto Tallux+ Dove Handlebar

[Christopher Murray]

How about $50 shipped for the bar stem combo. Everything else has sold and it’s 
worth it to me to bring it all to the PO together. 

Cheers!
Chris

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Re: [RBW] Minimalist cycling shoe article.

[Addison Wilhite]

I found the article strange.  Here's what you can do to your too small
shoe...or, you could just buy the right size.  I say this having worked at
a healthy foot/shoe store for years in college.  Weird.


Addison Wilhite, M.A.

Academy of Arts, Careers and Technology 

*“Blazing the Trail to College and Career Success”*

Educator: Professional Portfolio 

Blogger: Reno Rambler 


On Sun, Nov 19, 2017 at 1:21 AM, Lee Legrand  wrote:

> I do not think I would destroy a shoe for a wider box.  Cycling shoes are
> pretty expensive up front and cutting them like that only means I will have
> to replace them sooner.  The other thing is that cycling is different than
> walking but he is applying foot health for walking unto cycling and cycling
> probably uses different foot muscles.  I plan to get a wide box toe gym
> shoe one day but I do not think that translate to cycling since those are
> different activities.  Like a football player doing powerlifting to become
> more explosive.  You have to train the movement to get better at it, not do
> something else in hopes that it offers benefit to somethings else.
>
> On Sun, Nov 19, 2017 at 1:39 AM, lum gim fong 
> wrote:
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>> https://naturalfootgear.com/blogs/education/17861648-cycling-shoe-surgery
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[RBW] Here is an infrastructure proposal so crazy it just might work!

[Marc Irwin]

I thought I would share what is happening in our little neck of the woods 
in SW Michigan. 


Marc

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[RBW] Re: What do Rivendell Riders use for minimalist dress and biking shoes?

[Irreguleur]

I also misinterpreted the term “minimal” - I took it to mean fewer items that 
perform the tasks of many. Like an all-rounder or spork.

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[RBW] Re: Rambouillet in orange metallic

[John Hawrylak]

Bill

Is there room for fenders with the 38mm tires???   

John Hawrylak
Woodstown NJ


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[RBW] Re: What do Rivendell Riders use for minimalist dress and biking shoes?

[Garth]

Patrick of the Moore's , just think of "minimal" shoes as a generalized term 
for shoes with no drop from heel to toe and little to no padding. No drop 
meaning no elevated heel. Sometimes confused with the term "barefoot" style 
shoes which only infers the most minimal shoes of all which are supposed to be 
"like" walking barefoot. The term like all words only serves as a symbol, a 
guidepost of sorts, to those shoes that allow you to feel the ground as much as 
possible without any artifical structure or pads, "like" walking barefoot. 
Nothing compares to barefoot of course, it's just a shoe term. 

You know how it feels walking around in socks , yes ? Now picture gluing on a 
2mm layer of flexible rubber on them that would be the closest sort of 
footwear to walking barefoot. Few "minimal" style shoes offer such feel as they 
add padding of some sort which numbs the feel of the ground. Walking barefoot 
and landing naturally forefoot you don't need padding of any kind because it 
involves the whole body. 


The market of "minimal" shoes seems like a 'tweener between raised heel heavily 
padded and "barefoot" style shoes, like a way to get used to zero drop while 
still being padded to varying degrees. 

Again, these are generalizations and generally very general like all 
generalizations .☺

- - -

All that said, If I must wear shoes I wear some Softstar RunAmoc Original shoes 
with the 2mm street soles which look at good as they feel and you can customize 
them in all sorts of leathers and different soles. These feel like wearing 
socks with 2mm rubber glued on. This particlar version fits my higher arched 
feet really well as they are taller and only lace around the very top. Very 
clean look and look great everywhere from sport to formal. 


I also wear Merrell Vapor Glove 2, also like wearing a sock but more sloppy on 
my feet around the toes. The all black ones could pass as dress casual easily.  

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Re: [RBW] Minimalist cycling shoe article.

[Lee Legrand]

I do not think I would destroy a shoe for a wider box.  Cycling shoes are
pretty expensive up front and cutting them like that only means I will have
to replace them sooner.  The other thing is that cycling is different than
walking but he is applying foot health for walking unto cycling and cycling
probably uses different foot muscles.  I plan to get a wide box toe gym
shoe one day but I do not think that translate to cycling since those are
different activities.  Like a football player doing powerlifting to become
more explosive.  You have to train the movement to get better at it, not do
something else in hopes that it offers benefit to somethings else.

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> https://naturalfootgear.com/blogs/education/17861648-cycling-shoe-surgery
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