[RBW] Re: Silver Shifter 2 project revived

[Joe Bernard]

I've had the old Suntour Power Ratchet thumbies and they're fabulous. I think 
they would be great as inside-the-bar shifters like Riv specs on Clems.

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[RBW] Re: Silver Shifter 2 project revived

[dougP]

Bear in mind these are prototypes only, probably to check all the fiddly 
details before going into production.  I would expect the finish to be up 
to the usual Rivendell standards & present well on a nice bike.  As to the 
aesthetic, well, if you liked the originals (which I do), these will look 
great to you.  If you dislike the old ones, you won't like these. There's 
certainly no shortage of choices in shift levers.  

As to 3 yucks in a row, wouldn't that be Larry, Moe & Curly?  ("Nyuk, nyuk, 
nyuk")

dougP

On Monday, December 4, 2017 at 8:33:39 PM UTC-8, Mark in Beacon wrote:
>
> [image: image]
> While it's kinda cool to have shifters that can function in several 
> different positions on the bike, there will inevitably be compromises. With 
> that ergonomic curve, I would tend to agree that the shape of the prototype 
> is more suitable to bar end and thumby duties, and could look a little 
> awkward and stubby and maybe slightly distracting on a down tube--sorta 
> like an Ultegra bar end in that position might. And the blug post alluded 
> to the fact that the dt slot was probably third of three in terms of 
> optimum. Quote: *It’ll work fine on the downtube and better (than ever, 
> than original SILVER shifters) as a thumby or a bar-end shifter*
>
> I found the Silvers as bar ends a little long but fine; never tried them 
> as thumbies. Also had no problem shifting ten speeds with them, back when I 
> briefly tried a cassette with so many choices. 
>
> I have a set of the Suntour XC's, they sure are nice. A worthy revival in 
> this day and age. I think they might look groovy on the IRD stem shifter 
> mount, too. My aesthetic ranking: 1st: Thumby. Tie/close second: bar end. 
> Remains to be seen: stem. Last: down tube. Apologies for all the adverbs 
> and qualifiers; trying to stay sensitive in the known to be highly 
> sensitive shifter area.
>
> As for Yuck, I turn to a higher authority :
>
> Examples from the Web for yuckExpand
> Contemporary Examples (Weirdly, all the examples are from  The Daily 
> Beast 
>
>- 
>
>Taylor Swift saw Selena Gomez kissing Bieber backstage at an awards 
>show, and made a very obvious “ *yuck *” face.
>13 Celebrities Who 
>Dissed Justin Bieber 
>
> 
> Kevin Fallon 
>
> 
> August 7, 2014 
>- 
>
>Moving on past the *yuck *factor, you may wonder whether drinking 
>blood might cause some indigestion.
>‘Dark Shadows’ 
>Returns: A User’s Guide to Drinking Blood 
>
> 
> Kent Sepkowitz 
>
> 
> May 11, 2012 
>- 
>
>Just to add to the *yuck *factor, his wife worked in the same office.
>A Flood of Harassment 
>Horror Stories After the Herman Cain Allegations 
>
> 
> Lauren Ashburn 
>
> 
> November 11, 2011 
>
> There. I lined up three yucks in a row. According to Dictionary.com, It's 
> an Americanism dating back to 1965-70; expressive word
>
> My son turned eight two weeks ago and apparently, among other signs of 
> maturing, this entails replacing "yucky" with "gross." Today out of 
> nowhere he let me know that apparently in 6th grade you have to dissect 
> frogs. He said he would not because "Number one, it's not nice to the 
> frogs. And number two, it's gross." Only a month ago, that would have 
> definitely been yucky. Hopefully he'll rediscover yuck, because it's a fun 
> little word. Good for a few yuks.
>
>
> On Monday, December 4, 2017 at 12:01:36 PM UTC-8, LBleriot wrote:
>>
>> I said it before and I'll say it again.  As DT shifters, these look as 
>> bad as the old Silver shifters used as thumbies.  Yuck.  Why not do 
>> something innovative and make the barrel on the right shifter larger to 
>> pull more cable/shift more than 8 speeds easily?
>>
>> On Sunday, December 3, 2017 at 9:12:54 PM UTC-5, dougP wrote:
>>>
>>> Interesting piece on the blug about the Silver Shifter 2 project coming 
>>> back to life.  Prototypes in house at RBWHQ, with photos.  
>>>
>>> "It’ll work fine on the downtube and better (than ever, than original 
>>> SILVER shifters) as a thumby or a bar-end shifter, because of the new 
>>> shape, heavily influenced by the 1983 SunTour XC thumb shifter. Slight 
>>> 

[RBW] Re: Silver Shifter 2 project revived

[Bill Lindsay]

Marc said: "the shape of the prototype is more suitable to bar end and 
thumby duties, and could look a little awkward and stubby and maybe 
slightly distracting on a down tube"

I agree that based just on aesthetics, they'd be weird on the downtube.  
I'm going to pre-emptively DISAPPROVE of anybody that runs Silver 2s on the 
downtube.  They might be awesome as stem shifters though.  Don't forget 
stem shifters!  :-)

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

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[RBW] Re: Silver Shifter 2 project revived

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

[image: image]
While it's kinda cool to have shifters that can function in several 
different positions on the bike, there will inevitably be compromises. With 
that ergonomic curve, I would tend to agree that the shape of the prototype 
is more suitable to bar end and thumby duties, and could look a little 
awkward and stubby and maybe slightly distracting on a down tube--sorta 
like an Ultegra bar end in that position might. And the blug post alluded 
to the fact that the dt slot was probably third of three in terms of 
optimum. Quote: *It’ll work fine on the downtube and better (than ever, 
than original SILVER shifters) as a thumby or a bar-end shifter*

I found the Silvers as bar ends a little long but fine; never tried them as 
thumbies. Also had no problem shifting ten speeds with them, back when I 
briefly tried a cassette with so many choices. 

I have a set of the Suntour XC's, they sure are nice. A worthy revival in 
this day and age. I think they might look groovy on the IRD stem shifter 
mount, too. My aesthetic ranking: 1st: Thumby. Tie/close second: bar end. 
Remains to be seen: stem. Last: down tube. Apologies for all the adverbs 
and qualifiers; trying to stay sensitive in the known to be highly 
sensitive shifter area.

As for Yuck, I turn to a higher authority :

Examples from the Web for yuckExpand
Contemporary Examples (Weirdly, all the examples are from  The Daily Beast 

   - 
   
   Taylor Swift saw Selena Gomez kissing Bieber backstage at an awards show,
and made a very obvious “ *yuck *” face.
   13 Celebrities Who 
   Dissed Justin Bieber 
   

Kevin Fallon 
   

August 7, 2014 
   - 
   
   Moving on past the *yuck *factor, you may wonder whether drinking blood 
   might cause some indigestion.
   ‘Dark Shadows’ Returns: 
   A User’s Guide to Drinking Blood 
   

Kent Sepkowitz 
   

May 11, 2012 
   - 
   
   Just to add to the *yuck *factor, his wife worked in the same office.
   A Flood of Harassment 
   Horror Stories After the Herman Cain Allegations 
   

Lauren Ashburn 
   

November 11, 2011 
   
There. I lined up three yucks in a row. According to Dictionary.com, It's an
 Americanism dating back to 1965-70; expressive word

My son turned eight two weeks ago and apparently, among other signs of 
maturing, this entails replacing "yucky" with "gross." Today out of nowhere 
he let me know that apparently in 6th grade you have to dissect frogs. He 
said he would not because "Number one, it's not nice to the frogs. And 
number two, it's gross." Only a month ago, that would have definitely been 
yucky. Hopefully he'll rediscover yuck, because it's a fun little word. 
Good for a few yuks.


On Monday, December 4, 2017 at 12:01:36 PM UTC-8, LBleriot wrote:
>
> I said it before and I'll say it again.  As DT shifters, these look as bad 
> as the old Silver shifters used as thumbies.  Yuck.  Why not do something 
> innovative and make the barrel on the right shifter larger to pull more 
> cable/shift more than 8 speeds easily?
>
> On Sunday, December 3, 2017 at 9:12:54 PM UTC-5, dougP wrote:
>>
>> Interesting piece on the blug about the Silver Shifter 2 project coming 
>> back to life.  Prototypes in house at RBWHQ, with photos.  
>>
>> "It’ll work fine on the downtube and better (than ever, than original 
>> SILVER shifters) as a thumby or a bar-end shifter, because of the new 
>> shape, heavily influenced by the 1983 SunTour XC thumb shifter. Slight 
>> differences."
>>
>> IIRC, Grant had posted something a while back about this project fizzing 
>> out for unstated reasons, so it's good to see it coming back to life.  I 
>> was pretty interested so looking forward to seeing the production version.  
>> These look to have much more character than the stand-by Shimano bar end on 
>> Paul thumbie mount.  
>>
>> dougP
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Silver Shifter 2 project revived

[Joe Bernard]

It's a project - as I have already stated - that has had a long gestation 
period, some of it painful for the person behind it. I happen to think this is 
neither the time nor place to declare it YUCK. If you want to suggest 
improvements to the design, I presume "I wish the barrel were bigger" would be 
an improvement over YUCK. Give it a whirl. 

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[RBW] Re: Silver Shifter 2 project revived

[LBleriot]

Did you wake up on the wrong side of the shifter today?  Relax man. It’s a 
little piece of metal. 

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[RBW] Re: Silver Shifter 2 project revived

[Joe Bernard]

So you want a Silver shifter that you like the looks of to have a bigger barrel 
like the Dia-Compe you don't like the looks of, which had nothing to do with 
the new shifter which is "yuck." No, I don't get it. Buy a shifter you like 
instead of trashing one that isn't even in final form yet. 

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[RBW] Re: Silver Shifter 2 project revived

[Joe Bernard]

I didn't stifle your opinion, I objected to it. It's stupid. Have a nice day. 

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[RBW] Re: Silver Shifter 2 project revived

[LBleriot]

In order to shift my chain to the largest cog of a 10 Speed cassette using a 
Silver shifter, I need to move the lever almost parallel to the down tube.  
Enlarging the barrel, like the VO version of the DiaCompe shifter, requires 
less travel of the lever.  I happen to like the look of the Silver shifter 
better than the VO version and if it was made with a larger barrel, I’d buy it 
and use it. Does that make a lick of sense to you now?

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[RBW] Re: Silver Shifter 2 project revived

[LBleriot]

I thought this was a forum where we are free to express and share our opinions 
of Riv products in a respectful and open manner.  Is there some rule that I 
haven’t read requiring only positive reviews?  I buy Riv products that I like; 
quite a lot of them actually.  I don’t buy their products that I don’t like and 
when I disagree with Riv marketing I believe I have the right to share that 
here.  If you don’t agree with my opinion that’s fine, but  I don’t think it’s 
appropriate to stifle any opinion you don’t like.  

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Re: [RBW] Re: Silver Shifter 2 project revived

[Steve Palincsar]

On 12/04/2017 08:58 PM, John Hawrylak wrote:
Is there an issue with the current Silver Shifters with cable pull??  
I really don't know, but would appreciate an education.  I read the 
rBW description of currnet shifters and see only an issue with 
cog/derailleur movement




There is for Shimano DynaSys MTB rear derailleurs and Shimano Road 11.



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[RBW] Re: Silver Shifter 2 project revived

[Joe Bernard]

Silvers work fine with 9-speed, and 10 would be the same throw. They're 
probably not great for 11, but I doubt there's any perceptible market for a 
friction 11-speed shifter. This criticism about barrel size doesn't make a lick 
of sense to me. 

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[RBW] Re: Silver Shifter 2 project revived

[John Hawrylak]

Is there an issue with the current Silver Shifters with cable pull??  I 
really don't know, but would appreciate an education.  I read the rBW 
description of currnet shifters and see only an issue with cog/derailleur 
movement

John Hawrylak
Woodstown NJ

On Sunday, December 3, 2017 at 9:12:54 PM UTC-5, dougP wrote:

> Interesting piece on the blug about the Silver Shifter 2 project coming 
> back to life.  Prototypes in house at RBWHQ, with photos.  
>
> "It’ll work fine on the downtube and better (than ever, than original 
> SILVER shifters) as a thumby or a bar-end shifter, because of the new 
> shape, heavily influenced by the 1983 SunTour XC thumb shifter. Slight 
> differences."
>
> IIRC, Grant had posted something a while back about this project fizzing 
> out for unstated reasons, so it's good to see it coming back to life.  I 
> was pretty interested so looking forward to seeing the production version.  
> These look to have much more character than the stand-by Shimano bar end on 
> Paul thumbie mount.  
>
> dougP
>

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[RBW] Re: Silver Shifter 2 project revived

[Christopher Murray]

If someone wants to express their dislike or critique of a product I think we 
should welcome it. Is this a discussion or cheerleading? I think if everyone 
can be polite and respectful then their should be enough room here for 
everyone’s opionions. I'm AM going with "two sides to a story" and "everybody 
has an opinion." I'm that nice.

I’d guess these were designed primarily as BEs and thumbies. I can’t tell you 
the last new Rivendell I saw with downtube shifters.  

Cheers!
Chris

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[RBW] Re: Silver Shifter 2 project revived

[Bob B]

I bet it will work really well, because Silvers do and Riv cares, duh... 
Plus, prototypes are prototypes. Design is iterative.

I might be talking out of my ass here, but I was also kinda thinking the 
look of these shifters—besides taking a note from the old Suntours—could be 
part of an evolution in Riv's design aesthetic... industrial/post-war 
ridges/notches/grooves like the Appa fork and, Rosco graphics? Rodini 
headtube. The Chocomoose bars have a rigid, less flowy shape to them... I'm 
on board. 

Bob
Brooklyn, NY

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[RBW] Re: Silver Shifter 2 project revived

[Joe Bernard]

But I'm not willing to play Mr. High Road. This thread is about the fabulous 
news that the new shifter project is back on - its earlier demise seemed quite 
depressing for Grant, a person I know and like - and I don't see the point in 
chiming in about how "yucky" it is. So no, I'm not going with "two sides to a 
story" and "everybody has an opinion." I'm not that nice. 

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[RBW] Re: Silver Shifter 2 project revived

[dougP]

It's just levers pulling cable.  We all need to keep a bit of perspective.

dougP

On Monday, December 4, 2017 at 2:47:20 PM UTC-8, Garth wrote:
>
> Sheesh, we're all big boys and girls here, so someone expresses a "yucky" 
> view of the shifters that are not even in production and no spec known, 
> it's just an initial honest opinion, and you know what they say about 
> opinions ...  we all got one. 
>
> So what !
>
>
> Hey,  we all have our own ideas about all sorts of things and how it could 
> be better. Sometimes we may say something, sometimes not, but we can't deny 
> that the thoughts exist and there is no use in condemning them as that 
> doesn't change that they exist.  So what ?:-)
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Bartubes discontinued

[Joe Bernard]

I wouldn't worry about the Velcro. I've taken these bags on and off many many 
times with no issues. 

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[RBW] Re: Univega

[Bob B]

650b conversion? Get some Marathons on there.

On Monday, December 4, 2017 at 5:40:38 PM UTC-5, Mark in Beacon wrote:
>
> That's a sweet looking mixte, Doug. I would say certainly worth a hundred 
> bucks, but out of season why not offer 70--they probably just want it out 
> the door. Very likely built by Miyata. Lugged, nice red paint, double 
> eyelets in back, and the much-preferred middle seat stay mounted rear 
> brake. Not sure if it is a 27", if so and you have a set of 700c around, 
> you'll get some more fender and tire clearance. Otherwise, Pasela makes a 
> 27" equivalent to a 32mm in width. This will make a sporty, around town and 
> medium distance rides bike that, if it can manage 35mm tires with fenders, 
> will be 86.4% of a Cheviot.
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[RBW] Up Your Vis Game

[Bill in Roswell GA]

I just drove down a flat road with bike lanes at dusk, 10 min. after sunset. 
Many cyclist ride this road after work around 5:30. Bright front and rear light 
are gradually becoming the norm on this road. Flashing or not, I can see a 
bright tail light from 1/2 mile or more. Today a couple of bikes had old school 
dim rear light which couldn't be seen until a 100 ft away or so. As for 
flashing vs steady, the Light & Motion Vibe is steady with a pulse,flash every 
few seconds. That seems to be the best of both worlds (the downside is the USB 
charged battery runs about 6 hours, recarge in 2 hrs). The Vibe does have auto 
on/off which helpful for me-unless it's night I often forget!

Cheers
Bill in Roswell GA

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[RBW] FS: Nitto Choco-Moose bar/stem, $120

[Irving]

Lightly used Nitto Choco-Moose bar for $120 (link to Riv description 

)


>
>
>
>
>
>
> *This is our newest bar, with its most recent ancestor the epoch-making 
> Albatross handlebar, but with a few tweaks that make make it a new species. 
> Namely:It’s flatter, with an inch of drop or rise (from center where the 
> stem clamps it) to the end of the grip) instead of two. This means it’s 
> more flippable upside down and rightside up, and it’s so damn flippable 
> that we had NITTO stamp NITTO both ways on the center sleeve. Nobody can 
> yell at you now!It’s 3 percent more ergonomic in the downward orientation, 
> but what’s 3 percent? Three parts in a hundred, is the answer to that.Also 
> different (compared to the Albatross bar):• straighter next to the stem, 
> for arguably a 9 percent better grip there.• longer sweep-bar/grip area, 
> for a closer grip and a longer grabbable spot in front of the of the 
> shifters/brake levers.Like all our handlebars (barring the plain 
> Bullmoose,) the Choco takes barend shifters and brake levers.CHOCO-MOOSE, 
> with the triangulation that makes it moosey. It has to be stiffer and 
> stronger, but the other is strong and stiff enough, so it’s mostly style. 
> And this one retreats an extra inch-or so.*



Pickup in SF or in the Peninsula preferred, if still interested please let 
me know your zip code and I can arrange shipping (we will split the cost)!


- Irving

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[RBW] Re: Silver Shifter 2 project revived

[Garth]

Sheesh, we're all big boys and girls here, so someone expresses a "yucky" 
view of the shifters that are not even in production and no spec known, 
it's just an initial honest opinion, and you know what they say about 
opinions ...  we all got one. 

So what !


Hey,  we all have our own ideas about all sorts of things and how it could 
be better. Sometimes we may say something, sometimes not, but we can't deny 
that the thoughts exist and there is no use in condemning them as that 
doesn't change that they exist.  So what ?:-)

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[RBW] Re: Pics of Jones SG 2.5 on Appaloosa

[Ty Smith]

Looking forward to the result!

On Wednesday, November 29, 2017 at 5:53:57 PM UTC-8, Ash [who works to 
bike] wrote:
>
> Ty, bar-tape is inevitable.  Our daytime temp is still in 60s.  As soon as 
> it dips, bar tap will appear automatically 
>
> On Wednesday, 29 November 2017 13:10:41 UTC-5, Ty Smith wrote:
>>
>> Looks great! Really want one of those for my Xtracycle! 
>>
>> Only thing I think you need to finish it off is a bit of bar-tape, twine 
>> and shellac! ;)
>>
>> Ty
>>
>> On Monday, November 27, 2017 at 5:39:59 PM UTC-8, Ash [who works to bike] 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Like every other alt bar in I've ever seen/heard of, Jones Loop too was 
>>> in my shortlist.  I finally ordered one after catching up on the handlebar 
>>> thread started by Joe.  This is the 7th handlebar in 8 months.  Oh well, 
>>> think how much I'm saving because I'm not into modding cars ;)
>>>
>>> I needed it above the seat level, so first got SOMA Hi Rider stem.   
>>> Turned out it was way too higher than I would need.   VO Threadless Stem 
>>> Adaptor worked out perfect.  Given (a) Appa's top tube is quite long and 
>>> (b) Jones bar does not sweep as far back as Alba or Chco NORM, I needed a 
>>> short stem.  Dimension Threadless stem 31.8/70Mm/125 Degree fit the bill.
>>>
>>> Here are a few pictures for the curious ones.
>>>
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: Univega

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

That's a sweet looking mixte, Doug. I would say certainly worth a hundred 
bucks, but out of season why not offer 70--they probably just want it out 
the door. Very likely built by Miyata. Lugged, nice red paint, double 
eyelets in back, and the much-preferred middle seat stay mounted rear 
brake. Not sure if it is a 27", if so and you have a set of 700c around, 
you'll get some more fender and tire clearance. Otherwise, Pasela makes a 
27" equivalent to a 32mm in width. This will make a sporty, around town and 
medium distance rides bike that, if it can manage 35mm tires with fenders, 
will be 86.4% of a Cheviot.

On Monday, December 4, 2017 at 8:48:30 AM UTC-8, Doug H. wrote:
>
> I’m thinking of buying this local off of Craigslist. Worth it? 
>
> https://athensga.craigslist.org/bik/d/univega-hybrid/6355043046.html

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Re: [RBW] Re: Silver Shifter 2 project revived

[Reed Kennedy]

If you need more cable pull it has already been innovated:
https://velo-orange.com/collections/shifters/products/dia-compe-ene-11s-dt-shifters

I figure that a bigger barrel will just make the shifter even more
sensitive to small movement, though. I've had good luck with Silver V1s and
Simplex retrofrictions shifting 10 speed, so I'll stick with those. If we
ever run out of both of those, then I'll buy these:
https://velo-orange.com/collections/shifters/products/dia-compe-ene-w-dt-shifters

In other words, there are lots of good friction downtube options and fewer
friction thumb options. I may like downtube better personally, but it makes
sense to me that Riv is making the harder to get thing rather than the
easier to get thing.

Got to check out the prototype Silver V2 when I dropped by the other day.
It's looking good!


Reed

On Mon, Dec 4, 2017 at 3:01 PM, LBleriot  wrote:

> I said it before and I'll say it again.  As DT shifters, these look as bad
> as the old Silver shifters used as thumbies.  Yuck.  Why not do something
> innovative and make the barrel on the right shifter larger to pull more
> cable/shift more than 8 speeds easily?
>
>
> On Sunday, December 3, 2017 at 9:12:54 PM UTC-5, dougP wrote:
>>
>> Interesting piece on the blug about the Silver Shifter 2 project coming
>> back to life.  Prototypes in house at RBWHQ, with photos.
>>
>> "It’ll work fine on the downtube and better (than ever, than original
>> SILVER shifters) as a thumby or a bar-end shifter, because of the new
>> shape, heavily influenced by the 1983 SunTour XC thumb shifter. Slight
>> differences."
>>
>> IIRC, Grant had posted something a while back about this project fizzing
>> out for unstated reasons, so it's good to see it coming back to life.  I
>> was pretty interested so looking forward to seeing the production version.
>> These look to have much more character than the stand-by Shimano bar end on
>> Paul thumbie mount.
>>
>> dougP
>>
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[RBW] Re: Silver Shifter 2 project revived

[Bill Lindsay]

I think the point Joe is making is that many of us have been watching this 
project with interest and maybe some anticipation.  Some of us are fond of 
Rivendell Bicycle Works and would like to see them succeed.  When news 
comes out that a previously shelved project is rising from the dead, people 
are bound to be a little excited.  Instead of letting them have their fun, 
somebody chimes in "Yuck, that product that doesn't exist is bad, just as 
bad as the current product it will replace".  I think Joe doesn't see the 
constructive value in throwing a turd in the punch bowl.  That's all.  
Maybe you thought you were helping Rivendell out by saving them from making 
a bad product, or maybe you thought you were helping us out, (since we 
don't know how to decide for ourselves) by informing us that this product 
that doesn't exist yet, is objectively bad. If everybody posted a negative 
comment about every product that we don't want to buy, that would be a lot 
of traffic on this board. Say something nice or 

If you are sincerely in the market for friction thumb shifters for 10-speed 
drivetrains, you could have conveyed exactly the same idea with "I hope 
Rivendell has anticipated the rise of 10+ speed drivetrains and designed 
the right side shifter to pull enough cable".  Exactly the same comment, 
packaged nicer than "Yuck".  You state that it's too small, but it's not 
clear to me how you got that information.  Are you in on the design?  Or 
are you just guessing based on how it looks?  What should the diameter be?  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Monday, December 4, 2017 at 1:07:12 PM UTC-8, LBleriot wrote:
>
> 'cause then I'd be posting to another Google group, right?
>
> On Monday, December 4, 2017 at 3:41:39 PM UTC-5, Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>> Why not buy a different shifter you don't think is yucky?
>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: 700c Wheelset and Dyno, Sugino crank, Schwalbe, Cazadero

[drew]

here is whats left

*Velocity dyad/XT hub /shimano 9sp cassette 700c, 36h wheelset- *225$ 
shipped

*Sugino xd2 triple. 170mm arms. Very good condition *-70$ shipped 

*WTB nano 29x2.1 tire set. only 50ish miles on them.* 50$ shipped

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[RBW] Re: Bartubes discontinued

[REC]

This was one the reasons I hesitated.  The other being I'd wear out the 
Velcro.   

I was thinking of also getting the short leather straps, putting them thru 
the  bag loops and then on the saddle loops.  In the end, I purchased a 
Carradice roll bag in black to blend in with my black saddle and other 
black bags in the rear.  My front bag is a grey  XS saddle sack (love it).

Roberta

On Monday, December 4, 2017 at 9:49:25 AM UTC-5, masmojo wrote:

> I have one & use it frequently,  my only complaint is the Velcro straps; 
> although quick & easy, sometimes I need to switch to a bike with no good 
> handlebar mounting position. The Velcro straps mean it can't be mounted 
> easily to the back of my B-17s, so it doesn't get used as much as I'd like 
> and is rotated between fewer bikes.

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[RBW] Re: Silver Shifter 2 project revived

[LBleriot]

'cause then I'd be posting to another Google group, right?

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> Why not buy a different shifter you don't think is yucky?

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[RBW] WTB: MTB long 26.8 seatpost, black (Thomson, Deore XT, etc)

[Joe Bunik]

Gotta hate bike part sizing shenanigans - how can I possibly *NOT*
already have a 26.8 post in every conceivable length? Well, I don't.

I'm looking for a nice / but used is okay, longer *BLACK* seatpost -
I'd go for a setback Thomson, or I guess Deore XT was probably the
answer BITD. Anyone holding?

Thanks. Happy to buy or swap.
Joe Bunik
Walnut Creek, CA

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[RBW] Re: Silver Shifter 2 project revived

[Joe Bernard]

Why not buy a different shifter you don't think is yucky?

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[RBW] Re: Bump: FS: Bleriot 55cm

[Danno]

I have not received much interest in this bike so I'll try lowering the 
price again.  I have it in my local Craigslist for $1,300.

How about $1,200 and split the shipping?  Or make me an offer and I'll 
consider it.  I'd rather not have to part it out or worse, go to eBay!

Thanks,

Dan in Richmond VA

On Monday, November 27, 2017 at 2:40:27 PM UTC-5, Danno wrote:
>
> Price is lowered and sale expanded to the continental US
>
> $1,400 (includes shipping) for complete bike..
>
> As before, kindly reply off list if interested or if you have any 
> questions.
> Thank you.
>
> Dan
> Richmond, VA
>
> On Monday, November 20, 2017 at 7:27:09 PM UTC-5, Danno wrote:
>>
>> Selling the Bleriot to make room in the stable for another bike yet to be 
>> identified :).  Hoping I can sell it locally (Richmond VA) or regionally 
>> (Virginia, DC, Maryland) so no shipping available as of now.  If I need to 
>> later I will do a bump  to include shipping.  Here are the details and 
>> photos:
>>
>> https://flic.kr/s/aHsk4hbiby  Frame is a Rivendell 55cm (center to top 
>> of seat post lug) with a 55cm C-C top tube.  Standover height with Soma 
>> B-line 650bx38 tires is 31.5 in.  Frame has a few from scratches from 
>> normal use, mostly on the seatstay/chainstay area.  There is one "ding" in 
>> the top tube that is hard to see and is documented in the photostream.  I 
>> tried the recommended nail polish on a couple of spots but was not 
>> satisfied with the results so I stopped.
>>
>> Price is $1,500
>> Lots of nice components on this bike:
>>
>> - Phil Wood bottom bracket and rear hub
>>
>> - Paul Racer brakes
>>
>> - Shimano dynamo hub
>>
>> - Velo Orange Zeppelin fenders
>>
>> - Nitto seat post (S65), Nitto Technomic stem (120) and Nitto Noodle 
>> handlebars
>>
>> - Velocity Synergy 32h rims
>>
>> - Soma B-line 650x38 tires (will include a set of used Fatty Rumpkins if 
>> interested)
>>
>> - MKS Touring pedals
>>
>> - Sugino XD triple crank
>>
>> - Deore XT RD, Shimano Sora FD
>>
>> - Carradice saddle roll black (faded)
>>
>>
>> * I plan to keep he Brooks saddle and the B light pictured.  Will 
>> replace with a Selle Anatomica and a different B light with fewer lumens.
>>
>>
>> Kindly reply off list with questions.  Thanks for looking!
>>
>>
>> Dan in Richmond VA
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Silver Shifter 2 project revived

[adam leibow]

IME these work well with up to 10speed in the cable pull department, but I 
haven't tried 11sp. I've used them with multiple bikes, derailers, and 
cassettes/chains including 8, 9, and 10s, and combinations that don't 
technically match, like a 9s rear derailer with 10s cassette or vice versa. 
all as DT shifters. I have never used them as thumbies. excited to see the 
new design...

On Sunday, December 3, 2017 at 6:12:54 PM UTC-8, dougP wrote:
>
> Interesting piece on the blug about the Silver Shifter 2 project coming 
> back to life.  Prototypes in house at RBWHQ, with photos.  
>
> "It’ll work fine on the downtube and better (than ever, than original 
> SILVER shifters) as a thumby or a bar-end shifter, because of the new 
> shape, heavily influenced by the 1983 SunTour XC thumb shifter. Slight 
> differences."
>
> IIRC, Grant had posted something a while back about this project fizzing 
> out for unstated reasons, so it's good to see it coming back to life.  I 
> was pretty interested so looking forward to seeing the production version.  
> These look to have much more character than the stand-by Shimano bar end on 
> Paul thumbie mount.  
>
> dougP
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: 700c Wheelset and Dyno, Sugino crank, Schwalbe, Cazadero

[Bob Lovejoy]

Hi Drew,

PM sent on the Marathon Supremes.

Thanks!

Bob L.
Galesburg, IL

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[RBW] Re: Univega

[Bill Lindsay]

The link is to a very small Univega mixte.  The title misleadingly calls 
the bike a 'hybrid', which it is not. Whether or not it's worth it depends 
on whether it'll fit the rider in question and what the rider in question 
wants to do with it. Who's going to ride it?  How are they going to ride 
it?  What kind of bike are you after?

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

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>
> I’m thinking of buying this local off of Craigslist. Worth it? 
>
> https://athensga.craigslist.org/bik/d/univega-hybrid/6355043046.html

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[RBW] Re: Silver Shifter 2 project revived

[LBleriot]

I said it before and I'll say it again.  As DT shifters, these look as bad 
as the old Silver shifters used as thumbies.  Yuck.  Why not do something 
innovative and make the barrel on the right shifter larger to pull more 
cable/shift more than 8 speeds easily?

On Sunday, December 3, 2017 at 9:12:54 PM UTC-5, dougP wrote:
>
> Interesting piece on the blug about the Silver Shifter 2 project coming 
> back to life.  Prototypes in house at RBWHQ, with photos.  
>
> "It’ll work fine on the downtube and better (than ever, than original 
> SILVER shifters) as a thumby or a bar-end shifter, because of the new 
> shape, heavily influenced by the 1983 SunTour XC thumb shifter. Slight 
> differences."
>
> IIRC, Grant had posted something a while back about this project fizzing 
> out for unstated reasons, so it's good to see it coming back to life.  I 
> was pretty interested so looking forward to seeing the production version.  
> These look to have much more character than the stand-by Shimano bar end on 
> Paul thumbie mount.  
>
> dougP
>

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[RBW] Re: Wrapping Albastache Bars

[Ryan Fleming]

Mark Abele's videos make everything he does look  so effortless!  They sure 
are a pleasure to watch (and listen to). Probably not too many takes either

On Monday, December 4, 2017 at 1:18:38 PM UTC-6, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> It's like watching an artist, isn't it? He's ridiculous!

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[RBW] FS Gilles Berthoud Aspin brown

[Philip Kim]

almost brand new aspin saddle. installed the saddle and rode it around the 
block before i put it back on the shelf along with my parts bin.

asking $160 shipped.


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[RBW] Re: FS: 700c Wheelset and Dyno, Sugino crank, Schwalbe, Cazadero

[drew]

Bump and price reductions also adding wtb nanos

*Velocity dyad/XT hub /shimano 9sp cassette 700c, 36h wheelset- *225$ 
shipped

*Sugino xd2 triple. 170mm arms. Very good condition *-70$ shipped 

*Schwalbe marathon supreme 700x50 tire set. A little dirty but not used 
much-45*$ shipped

*Soma cazadero 650b tire set. Bought off list for a project that never 
happened.* 45$ shipped

*WTB nano 29x2.1 tire set. only 50ish miles on them.* 50$ shipped

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[RBW] Re: Bartubes discontinued

[adam leibow]

I bought a blue one and it looks amazing, the construction feels sturdy, 
and it fits my entire work outfit, meaning some days it's all I need for my 
commute to work. Lives between my hunqapillar and cheviot. 

On Saturday, December 2, 2017 at 2:13:59 PM UTC-8, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> Apparently y'all aren't buying these fabulous bags so Riv has stopped 
> making them. I have one that travels with me from bike to bike: holds 
> phone, wallet, keys, reading glasses, patch kit and a mini pump, with room 
> leftover for an extra pair of maybe-it'll-get-cold-later gloves. 
> Hook-and-loop straps makes it super easy to bring into the store with you, 
> if you don't own at least one you're doing it wrong. I have a grey Bartube, 
> and just bought an olive one to bag matchy the old Baggins Hoss I just 
> bought. Get you one!

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Re: [RBW] Re: Up Your Vis Game

[Deacon Patrick]

As someone who is sensitive to flashing lights the latest “safety” trend of any 
and all workers (regardless of if they are working or not) having multiple, 
intense, strobing LED lights is horrible. That’s GOT to be a target fixation 
issue, plus the whole “we have to be more visible to be visible” nonsense 
surely creates drivers who don’t pay attention to anything because everything 
is noisy. Bewsides, strobing lights are known to cause seizures. That can’t be 
good for anyone’s safety.

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Re: Univega

[drew]

i think it depends on your intent. it probably wont appreciate much in 
value, or be worth putting too much work into it. But if its just for 
getting around, 90$ is hard to beat. Univega had some nice mixtes with the 
single top tube that splits to two at the chainstays. I think that style 
looks better and is more structurally solid. id be inclined to find one of 
those if i was looking for a mixte. 

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[RBW] Re: Wrapping Albastache Bars

[Joe Bernard]

It's like watching an artist, isn't it? He's ridiculous!

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[RBW] Re: Pics of Jones SG 2.5 on Appaloosa

[Ash [who works to bike]]

That's indeed a slick color combination!

I love the details.



On Wednesday, 29 November 2017 17:56:51 UTC-8, Jay Connolly wrote:
>
>
> 
> I think the Jones Bar looks much better with the grips designed for it and 
> some tape to complement the frame. Pic below.
>
>
> On Wednesday, November 29, 2017 at 5:51:20 PM UTC-8, Ash [who works to 
> bike] wrote:
>>
>> Completely agree reg aesthetics.  It can't match the clean elegant look 
>> of Nitto Dirt Drop + ChocoNORM/Albas
>>
>> It keeps bothering me.  I try not to think about it :)
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, 28 November 2017 00:12:00 UTC-5, Stuart Lovinggood wrote:
>>>
>>> No doubt these are comfortable (I used to run Jones on my fat bike) but 
>>> I can't say I find the 2.5 aesthetically pleasing. That front loop looks 
>>> enormous. Maybe seeing them on more builds will normalize the look. 
>>>
>>> On Monday, November 27, 2017 at 5:39:59 PM UTC-8, Ash [who works to 
>>> bike] wrote:

 Like every other alt bar in I've ever seen/heard of, Jones Loop too was 
 in my shortlist.  I finally ordered one after catching up on the handlebar 
 thread started by Joe.  This is the 7th handlebar in 8 months.  Oh well, 
 think how much I'm saving because I'm not into modding cars ;)

 I needed it above the seat level, so first got SOMA Hi Rider stem.   
 Turned out it was way too higher than I would need.   VO Threadless Stem 
 Adaptor worked out perfect.  Given (a) Appa's top tube is quite long and 
 (b) Jones bar does not sweep as far back as Alba or Chco NORM, I needed a 
 short stem.  Dimension Threadless stem 31.8/70Mm/125 Degree fit the bill.

 Here are a few pictures for the curious ones.


  



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[RBW] Re: Wrapping Albastache Bars

[Ash [who works to bike]]

OMG!  Wish I had watched this video couple of years ago.  Esp for the cool 
twain wrapping trick.  I always messed up that part pretty bad and 
attempted to redo every couple of weeks :)


On Sunday, 3 December 2017 18:04:34 UTC-8, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> Here ya go. Excellent soundtrack, too. 
>
> https://youtu.be/tO8DcaOJzrA
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[RBW] Re: FS: Platrack & Slickersack Combo $240

[Jared Volpe]

Sold

On Saturday, December 2, 2017 at 8:20:41 PM UTC-8, Benz, Sunnyvale, CA 
wrote:
>
> Link doesn’t work...

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[RBW] WTT/FS: My 12cm/25.4mm Tallux Stem for your 13cm/25.4mm Tallux Stem.

[David B]

Looking for a straight swap of a Nitto Tallux stem, or sell mine to order 
one from Riv.
Converting an older mtb to albatross bars and could use the extra cm of 
reach.

I have: Nitto Tallux Stem, 12cm, 25.4mm
I need: Nitto Tallux Stem, 13cm, 25.4mm

If a straight trade doesn't happen, I'd sell mine in takeoff condition 
(meaning mounted but not actuall used) for $60 shipped.

Thanks,
David
River Grove, IL

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[RBW] Re: Ode to LCG

['mlpessar' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Pithy words of wisdom Patrick. The accompanying photos are inspiring. 
Thanks, Marc

On Sunday, December 3, 2017 at 5:09:16 PM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Terrain, leg strength, and gear options need not stop us! In light of all 
> the one gear conversations, here is a celebration of LCG.
>
> Lowest Common Gear is the one gear every bike comes with. Even without a 
> bike, we have it. Ride till you can’t, walk till you can. Grin.
> https://thegrid.ai/withabandon/ode-to-lcg/
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> www.CredoFamily.org
> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Up Your Vis Game

[Eric Norris]

Daniel:

I’m not sure I agree that flashing lights are such a bad idea, but I *do* agree 
that the super-bright lights that the cycling industry has been rolling out in 
recent years can be a hazard. However, in my experience, it’s not a distant, 
super-bright taillight that causes problems, but the light on the bike right in 
front of you. Some of these lights are so bright that the limit the following 
rider’s view to nothing but a red haze. (Note: Don’t try to tell these riders 
that their lights are too bright—convinced that brighter is better and 
brightest is best, they invariably react badly to my suggestion that they’re 
causing problems from anyone behind them.)

I agree generally with Jan that super-bright rear lights aren’t necessary. As I 
asked a friend on a recent ride, “Do you really need to be visible to a car 
that’s five miles behind you?” My hope is that there will be a moderation in 
coming years as riders go back to slightly less bright lights with longer run 
times. I don’t agree that reflective gear is bad.

One hopeful step in the illumination arms race is Portland Design Works’ new 
“Daybot” taillight, which offers a choice of daytime (100 lumens) and nighttime 
(20 lumens) brightness levels. The latter is adequately visible, but in a 
follower-friendly way. Their “Fenderbot” is also notable for being bright 
enough without being too bright. As a randonneur who occasionally rides through 
the night, I appreciate the long run times offered by slightly less bright 
lights, since a taillight that has run out of batteries doesn’t do a bit of 
good.

Regarding the Toplight—I have one, and it’s great, but from even a short 
distance it’s going to look pretty much like a smaller light. Depth perception 
is hard to gauge when you have just one point of light. The best solution would 
be two taillights even a short distance apart, but that’s hard to do on most 
bikes.

FWIW, Lee Mitchell, a famed sag driver here in Northern California who spent 
thousands of hours over many decades following cyclists in the dark, once said 
in an online discussion of this topic that the most valuable piece of nighttime 
gear in his opinion is reflective ankle bands. Their motion attracts attention 
and helps identify you as a bicycle.

--Eric Norris
campyonly...@me.com
@CampyOnlyguy (Twitter/Instagram)

> On Dec 4, 2017, at 7:36 AM, Daniel M  wrote:
> 
> Jan’s opinions about visibility make about as much sense to me as Grant’s 
> notions about diet. Some nuggets of wisdom in both cases, with extreme 
> conclusions drawn that I disagree with in the end. Jan dismissed reflective 
> tire sidewalls as ineffective out of hand and thinks a single red dot, which 
> gives other road users no depth perception whatsoever, is preferable to 
> additional reflective surfaces. He mentions the very real effect of target 
> fixation on bicycles and police cars, without calling the strobing lights 
> into question in both cases. 
> 
> I feel very strongly that using flashing lights on bicycles after dark is a 
> really really bad idea. A bllinding, strobing dot in the distance dazzles 
> other drivers and cyclists, gives no depth perception, and makes it harder to 
> see anything other than the flashing light itself. A solid rear light that 
> illuminates a larger area like the Toplight Line Plus, etc, coupled with 
> reflective leg bands, vest/harness, reflective tire sidewalls and/or 
> reflective tape on the fenders, gives other road users a steady image which 
> conveys the size and distance to the bike and rider they are passing or 
> overtaking without dazzling them with a strobing light show. 
> 
> Daniel M
> Berkeley, CA
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[RBW] Univega

[masmojo]

Sure, but see if you can talk'em down to $75 or $80.
Will probably need new tires, tubes,rim strips.

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[RBW] Univega

[Doug H.]

I’m thinking of buying this local off of Craigslist. Worth it?

https://athensga.craigslist.org/bik/d/univega-hybrid/6355043046.html

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: 1995 58cm Rivendell AllRounder $2000

[Joe Ramey]

Braden, it is 58cm c-c.

Best,
 Joe

On Dec 4, 2017 8:59 AM, "bdavis999"  wrote:

Hi Joe, what length is the top tube?
Regards, Braden


On Sunday, December 3, 2017 at 10:43:29 PM UTC-5, Jim M. wrote:
>
> In this thread a couple months ago, Matt was looking for a 59 AR:
> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/rbw-owners-bu
> nch/all$20rounder%7Csort:date/rbw-owners-bunch/3f5Vf8Xh_xs/h7S_ijjsAQAJ
>
> Maybe a 58 would work for him.
>
> On Sunday, December 3, 2017 at 7:32:35 PM UTC-8, Mojo wrote:
>>
>> Well there were many admirers of the All Rounder at the swap meet this
>> weekend but no takers. If anyone here is interested in the bike and can
>> help me figure out how to ship, I am willing. It is a nicely setup bike in
>> great shape completely ready for commuting or multi-surface adventure
>> rides. Just add panniers for long distance tours. I would split shipping
>> costs with any buyer, and of course take care of the packing on this end.
>> If someone wanted to pay less than $2000 I could take off a rack and/or the
>> second set of wheels, the Acorn handlebar bag, pedals, B17 saddle. If you
>> are interested, let's talk.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Joe Ramey in Grand Junction
>>
>> On Friday, December 1, 2017 at 6:15:56 PM UTC-7, Mojo wrote:
>>
>>> Of course this is the dressed up version of the Bridgestone XO-1.
>>>
>>> On Friday, December 1, 2017 at 6:13:55 PM UTC-7, iamkeith wrote:

 All of the first gen All Rounders had 26" wheels.  Toward the end of
 the model's run (early 00s), frames this size and larger moved to 700c.  (I
 think Grant mainly liked the proportions better.)  Prior to that, there
 just weren't wide enough tires available for the big wheels.  26" still has
 a lot of advantages though, and there aren't many options for tall people
 who want them - certainly none this nice.
>>>
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[RBW] FS Aussie Merino Wool Longsleeve Crewneck - Black

[Tim O. (Portland, OR)]

Sold

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[RBW] Re: Wrapping Albastache Bars

[Doug H.]

I wanted the tape to continue to give me grip space closer to the stem. 
Although on a ride Saturday I rarely used that hand position. Thanks for 
the photo.

On Sunday, December 3, 2017 at 9:38:39 PM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Yes, Albastache, New Moustache, Watchamacallit, BestHandlebarEver. Maybe 
> this picture works better? 
>
> With abandon, 
> Patrick 
>
> On Sunday, December 3, 2017 at 7:27:39 PM UTC-7, Doug H. wrote: 
> > Deacon Patrick, it’s hard to see how you did the wrap but the photos of 
> your excursion are awesome. Is that an Albastache bar? 
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Supple tires and rim fit trouble

[Brian Campbell]

FWIW, I swore off using an SUN CR-18's after I ended up with 3 sets of 
wheels built with the defective (slightly too large) rims. Getting any tire 
on or off was chore. Roadside flats were a nightmare. 

I once had a Nexus 8 Speed internal hubbed whee/tire l pick up a staple, 
and go flat. I was commuting home from work, at night, in January, in a 36 
degree "light rain".

The incident forever changed my view CR18 rims and the "simplicity" of 
internal hubs. I would bet serious $$$ its the rims. I only use Open Pro 
rims now and have had no issue mounting any 700c tire event the dreaded 
Challenge Parigi Roubaix.

On Thursday, November 30, 2017 at 12:32:24 PM UTC-5, Eric Karnes wrote:
>
> Hi all-
>
> I have a question about the fit of supple tires and the way they fit on 
> rims.
>
> I've had only two experience with very supple tires. Pari-motos on 
> Velocity A-23s (650b) and most recently Compass Snoqualmie Passes on Sun 
> C-18s (700c). Both tires are so tight to the rim they're very difficult to 
> get off and damned near impossible to get back on. I recently changed a 
> tube on the Squoqualmie Pass / C-18 wheels and it took me over 30 minutes 
> to muscle the tire on the rim. Frankly, I don't want to ride the bike, 
> because if I got a flat after dark, I honestly don't know if I'd be able to 
> replace the tube/tire in the field. Now, I've changed many, many flats and 
> have never had this issue with 'regular' tires (usually on OpenPro rims). 
> It usually takes me under a minute to get a new tube and tire back on.
>
> So...is a normal experience for these super supple casing tires? Or is 
> this a 'correlation not causation' situation and I've just been unlucky in 
> my choice of the rims I paired them with? Any advice would be appreciated! 
> Thanks guys!
>
> Eric
>

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[RBW] Re: Supple tires and rim fit trouble

[Craig Montgomery]

I've had the same problem. Mostly with the older rims like Mavic MA40's and 
their equivalents and Model 58's. Have pinched a couplafew tubes getting 
Bon Jon Passes 35's on. I don't remember having problems with CR-18's 
though. 

Craig in Tucson 

On Thursday, November 30, 2017 at 10:32:24 AM UTC-7, Eric Karnes wrote:
>
> Hi all-
>
> I have a question about the fit of supple tires and the way they fit on 
> rims.
>
> I've had only two experience with very supple tires. Pari-motos on 
> Velocity A-23s (650b) and most recently Compass Snoqualmie Passes on Sun 
> C-18s (700c). Both tires are so tight to the rim they're very difficult to 
> get off and damned near impossible to get back on. I recently changed a 
> tube on the Squoqualmie Pass / C-18 wheels and it took me over 30 minutes 
> to muscle the tire on the rim. Frankly, I don't want to ride the bike, 
> because if I got a flat after dark, I honestly don't know if I'd be able to 
> replace the tube/tire in the field. Now, I've changed many, many flats and 
> have never had this issue with 'regular' tires (usually on OpenPro rims). 
> It usually takes me under a minute to get a new tube and tire back on.
>
> So...is a normal experience for these super supple casing tires? Or is 
> this a 'correlation not causation' situation and I've just been unlucky in 
> my choice of the rims I paired them with? Any advice would be appreciated! 
> Thanks guys!
>
> Eric
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: 1995 58cm Rivendell AllRounder $2000

[bdavis999]

Hi Joe, what length is the top tube?
Regards, Braden

On Sunday, December 3, 2017 at 10:43:29 PM UTC-5, Jim M. wrote:
>
> In this thread a couple months ago, Matt was looking for a 59 AR: 
> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/rbw-owners-bunch/all$20rounder%7Csort:date/rbw-owners-bunch/3f5Vf8Xh_xs/h7S_ijjsAQAJ
>
> Maybe a 58 would work for him.
>
> On Sunday, December 3, 2017 at 7:32:35 PM UTC-8, Mojo wrote:
>>
>> Well there were many admirers of the All Rounder at the swap meet this 
>> weekend but no takers. If anyone here is interested in the bike and can 
>> help me figure out how to ship, I am willing. It is a nicely setup bike in 
>> great shape completely ready for commuting or multi-surface adventure 
>> rides. Just add panniers for long distance tours. I would split shipping 
>> costs with any buyer, and of course take care of the packing on this end. 
>> If someone wanted to pay less than $2000 I could take off a rack and/or the 
>> second set of wheels, the Acorn handlebar bag, pedals, B17 saddle. If you 
>> are interested, let's talk.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Joe Ramey in Grand Junction
>>
>> On Friday, December 1, 2017 at 6:15:56 PM UTC-7, Mojo wrote:
>>
>>> Of course this is the dressed up version of the Bridgestone XO-1.
>>>
>>> On Friday, December 1, 2017 at 6:13:55 PM UTC-7, iamkeith wrote:

 All of the first gen All Rounders had 26" wheels.  Toward the end of 
 the model's run (early 00s), frames this size and larger moved to 700c.  
 (I 
 think Grant mainly liked the proportions better.)  Prior to that, there 
 just weren't wide enough tires available for the big wheels.  26" still 
 has 
 a lot of advantages though, and there aren't many options for tall people 
 who want them - certainly none this nice.
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: Up Your Vis Game

[ascpgh]

Reflectors/tape have limitations. Fog disrupts the whole thing.

In my uniform days I had a couple of contact team mechanics overnight along 
a stretch of state highway in Louisiana have a really close call wearing 
hi-viz vests of almost entirely of 3M reflective material over their 
camouflage uniforms, per regs. A truck had buzzed them so closely that they 
thought the driver was drunk and they called in the event. They couldn't 
imagine their near invisibility in the fog wearing the mandated vests.

Driving up to them in the less than obstructive fog, I saw their shapes and 
the color of their vests before any reflectors registered. I had them put 
chem lights on they vests and their visibility in the fog improved tenfold. 
That small amount of produced light, even diffused by the fog, was visible 
well before the reflector tape or their silhouette shapes. 

Reflectors are not second tier, just know their limitations and have a 
combination of things working for your visibility. Try it yourself with a 
flashlight next time it's foggy. 

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh
On Sunday, December 3, 2017 at 12:07:43 AM UTC-5, J Imler wrote:
>
> Dark December Posting - 
> https://sites.google.com/site/lifecyclecyclelife/home/2017/december/upyourvisgame
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Up Your Vis Game

[Daniel M]

Jan’s opinions about visibility make about as much sense to me as Grant’s 
notions about diet. Some nuggets of wisdom in both cases, with extreme 
conclusions drawn that I disagree with in the end. Jan dismissed reflective 
tire sidewalls as ineffective out of hand and thinks a single red dot, which 
gives other road users no depth perception whatsoever, is preferable to 
additional reflective surfaces. He mentions the very real effect of target 
fixation on bicycles and police cars, without calling the strobing lights into 
question in both cases. 

I feel very strongly that using flashing lights on bicycles after dark is a 
really really bad idea. A bllinding, strobing dot in the distance dazzles other 
drivers and cyclists, gives no depth perception, and makes it harder to see 
anything other than the flashing light itself. A solid rear light that 
illuminates a larger area like the Toplight Line Plus, etc, coupled with 
reflective leg bands, vest/harness, reflective tire sidewalls and/or reflective 
tape on the fenders, gives other road users a steady image which conveys the 
size and distance to the bike and rider they are passing or overtaking without 
dazzling them with a strobing light show. 

Daniel M
Berkeley, CA

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[RBW] Re: Bartubes discontinued

[masmojo]

I have one & use it frequently,  my only complaint is the Velcro straps; 
although quick & easy, sometimes I need to switch to a bike with no good 
handlebar mounting position. The Velcro straps mean it can't be mounted easily 
to the back of my B-17s, so it doesn't get used as much as I'd like and is 
rotated between fewer bikes.

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[RBW] Re: Up Your Vis Game

[Sean Kline]

Jan Hein’s blog post in 2014 on visibility has some counterintuitive points:

https://janheine.wordpress.com/2014/04/12/when-more-visible-%E2%89%A0-safer-target-fixation/

Sean

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[RBW] Re: Lessons in Singlespeeding

[Coal Bee Rye Anne]

It’s kinda funny that when I first discovered Riv it was while I was in the 
process of “Rivifying” my old rigid MTB, which was my only bike at the time and 
no longer comfortable, but before I even knew what it really meant to Rivify an 
old frame.  At the time they were clearing out the remaining Simpleones and I 
recall being very tempted by them but I had reservations about the cost and 
ordering anything sight unseen.  I was also still completely unsure about what 
I really wanted or needed from my bike in both utility and fit.  Years later 
I’ve come full circle to realize this is the exact kind of biking I now seem to 
prefer for most of my riding.

Brian Cole
Lawrenceville NJ

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Re: [RBW] Re: Front rack ID on this Atlantis?

[Tim Gavin]

Bin Chen-

It's a Nitto rack, so it will be of the highest quality.  It will carry WAY
more than the conservative rating from Nitto.

If your front panniers can hang on the middle rail of the 35F (and you can
adjust the lower attachment point to hit the lower rail), then I think your
front load would still be pretty near the center of the hub.  Perfect for
handling.  I know my Ortlieb Sport Packers could be adjusted to fit, maybe
even Ortlieb's full size rear panniers.

I did some on-road touring with panniers on a Nitto MT-Campee F20 front
rack (the one with removeable low-rider frames). In my opinion, the load
was so low that the front handling was over-stable (resistant to turn).
Great for no-hands riding but it kinda fought me in turns.

I would also consider the Nitto 34F aka Rivendell Big Front rack.  Both the
35F and 34F have a big top platform and multiple cross rails.  The 34F does
get in the way of wheel removal; you have to remove the QR skewer to clear
the lowest rails.

On Sat, Dec 2, 2017 at 10:43 PM, Bin Chen  wrote:

> Wow nice find! Looks like it I should indeed the high rider. Anyone have
> any experience with it? Love the lines on it and was hoping to set up my
> Atlantis with it for touring...
>
> On Saturday, December 2, 2017 at 6:00:31 PM UTC-8, Howard Hatten wrote:
> > Looks like it might be this.
> >
> >  http://www.bikemania.biz/nitto-campee-35f-rivendall-
> front-high-rider-pannier-bicycle-rack.html
> >
> > Howard
> > Livonia Mi
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[RBW] Re: Lessons in Singlespeeding

[Arthur Mayfield]

After several configurations, I finally settled on 1x9 for my Sam, then 
went from bar end shifters to stem to DT (with a clamp on mount). I 
definitely shift less often with the DT than before. The difference between 
riding a derailleur bike in one gear and a SS, though, is how much more 
torque you can exert on the SS with its thicker rings and heavier chain. I 
want a true SS and will probably be an immediate pre-order(er) when/if RBW 
brings back a SS frame.

On Wednesday, November 29, 2017 at 9:27:52 PM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> With several people interested in single speeding I thought I’d start this 
> thread for tips and lessons we’ve learned single speeding (and fixed too, 
> as I’ll soon be diving in). What have you learned, or are learning?
>
> I cover a lot of bits I learned here, in my review of the Quickbeam: 
> https://thegrid.ai/withabandon/quickbeam-sightings
>
> As I’ve been riding exclusively single speed now the last few weeks (and 
> my Hunqapillar is single speed, just using the 60” gear in the cassette as 
> that was the one that worked), I’ve again been impressed with how different 
> the mind/body/heart/soul set is with zero options but pedaling.
>
> With gears, the mind is always watchful and mindful of cadence and asking 
> the question “is it time to shift?” and “will this hill necessitate a 
> shift?” None of that nonsense. Me legs are me gears.
>
> I was good at being relaxed pedaling in a certain RPM range, and I shifted 
> to stay in that.  I “needed” more gear range when the terrain became 
> steeper because otherwise I was out of that range.
>
> Single speeding has taught me to relax from extremely slow cadence 
> pedaling to extremely high cadence. I’ve learned to climb with an 
> unweighted seated position, doing repeated one-legged squats, my weight 
> pushing down on the pedals to assist, my arms pulling on the bars to 
> assist. Yet it is soft and easy. Anaerobic work at an aerobic pace. It 
> feels amazing.
>
> Fast cadences feel a lot like running barefoot (and I expect fixed with 
> increase this in many ways) — floating along, limpid and lithe, riding a 
> rail as circles turn beneath me (this feeling is true all the time, 
> actually, but more so at higher cadences for me).
>
> Ride till you can’t, walk till you can.
>
> Obey this and the amount of time you spend walking will decrease steadily 
> and surprisingly as your aerobic fitness increases. What is “can’t”? For 
> me, it is when I am no longer breathing fairly relaxed through my nose (I 
> make exceptions to this when I want to push myself, or for short, steep 
> climbs).
>
> Intentionally ride the wrong of your two gears, both too high and too low. 
> You will learn a lot.
>
> The one geared bike is an amazing teacher, but it requires humility to 
> learn from it. A deraileur gets in the way of this learning.
>
> Most of all, enjoy and ride with abandon! Grin.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> www.CredoFamily.org
> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org
>

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[RBW] Re: Lessons in Singlespeeding

[Coal Bee Rye Anne]

Lum,
Your experience with DT is similar to how I happened upon the pleasures of ss 
riding.

Combine a tall frame + low DT levers + laziness + an old 12 spd that 
effectively acted as a 5 speed: 40/52 double crank where I just stayed in the 
40 + a worn 6th cog in the back.

I ended up just staying in 40/15 or 40/17 for several rides... it hit me one 
night after heading back home that I hadn’t shifted the entire return trip and 
on one of the hillier routes I take.  I realized right there that ss was both 
doable and enjoyable.

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