[RBW] Sackvilke bartube questions?

[lum gim fong]

I got the last one!!!
Whew!!
That was close!!

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[RBW] Sackvilke bartube questions?

[lum gim fong]

I just bought one. I once had a Avenir Metro bar bag that was fantastic. Bar 
bags can be fun.
It will help me go fast my Bleriot.

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[RBW] Sackvilke bartube questions?

[lum gim fong]

Thanks, Joe!

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[RBW] Sackvilke bartube questions?

[Joe Bernard]

1. Don't know. 

2. It holds its shape. 

3. Kinda floppy against the headtube if you don't use something on the side 
rings to steady it. Not a huge deal to me, it's never even occurred to me to 
use those rings. Great bag. 

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[RBW] Sackvilke bartube questions?

[lum gim fong]

1. Water resistant, or does everything get wet inside when it rains?

2. It's wide. Does it hold its shape or sag down on ends away from bar 
attachment points?
In other words does it keep its tube shape well?

3. Fully loaded does the weight attached to the bar make the front end floppy?

Thanks for the info.

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[RBW] FS: more garage clean-out

[Joe Bunik]

Hi again

Shook the garage a bit harder, and more stuff fell out!

https://www.flickr.com/photos/joe_bunik/albums/72157668346551339

- NOS pair of Pari Moto 650B gumwall, $87

- NOS / NIB pair of Grand Bois Ourson, 650x35B, $87

- MKS GR-9 platform pedals, great condition, $32

- MKS Sylvan pedals, slightly mismatchy, $27

- Suntour Superbe pedals, black, used but obviously great :-) , $87

- Sakae / Tioga Surefoot III platforms, a BMX / street MTB classic, $37

- NITTO stem, 75mm (which they'd call a 7cm), scruffy, $22

- NOS Diacompe 290 "Batwing"/anatomic MTB levers, very cool $87

- Sakae Royal 9cm stem, 25.4, formerly my favorite vintage stem! $47

- Tubus Fly rear rack, black, used, $82

- Nitto 65 seatpost, 27.2, nominal 18cm length (cut down), $67

- Laprade (France) seatpost, 26.8, used, $47

- San Marco Concor Supercorsa saddle, blue/grey, faded and mottled
from the years but no tears, $57

- TA handlebar bag, tattered and mended but still alive and kicking,
very cool anodized badge, $115


All prices include shipping CONUS. Paypal, personal / no-fee is always
appreciated but not obligatory! Let me know your address and I'll get
them on their way!

Thanks a bunch,
Joe Bunik
Walnut Creek, CA

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[RBW] Re: Matt from Crust - PLP Talks

[drew]

I agree. This is a really good counterpoint to the sceney, super hip stuff on 
instagram. It’s nice to hear him talk and just be a down to earth normal guy. 
I’ve been liking what he’s making, but also have been a little dubious about 
supporting what seemed sorta like an inside joke that I wasn’t in on. I’m much 
more likely to be a customer now. 

As a side note, I really appreciate that riv has built a idiosyncratic brand 
without ever feeling like they are trying or especially not trying to be cool. 
It makes things feel more inclusive. 

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[RBW] Re: Good New/Bad News on my repaired Atlantis

[Philip Williamson]

Just thinking of the squat Testors bottles makes me happy. Drug stores used 
to carry a wide array of colors in the 70s, and I'd look at all the colors 
before buying a Charleston Chew for my walk home from school. Back when 
kids walked home from school. I may get an Atlantis color bottle as a 
talisman, even though I don't have the bike. The 2004 Quickbeam green is an 
exact match for Plasti-kote "shamrock green" though. 

Philip
Santa Rosa, Ca

On Monday, January 8, 2018 at 4:21:39 PM UTC-8, Jock Dewey wrote:
>
> Hey, Y'all:
>
> Yes, indeed!
>
> I KNOW because I worked for TESTORS for nearly a quarter-century and also 
> with GRANT over a period of months to get him dozens of paint samples and 
> many sets of paint chips. (He will remember those early morning FED EX 
> deliveries I'm quite sure.) In the early 2000s, his intention was to have 
> all RIV frames painted to match TESTORS for the great convenience, 
> but...alas...that morphed over time as often things do in this life.
>
> ATLANTIS, however, was the first of the experiments and so is exactly 
> TESTORS 2135. That's the story and I'm sticking to it!
>
> So have a go and you'll be spot on. You and all the hundreds of happy / 
> lucky ATLANTIS riders. 
>
> BEST / Jock Dewey / Athens, GA (RAM rider myself)
>
> PS: TESTORS can be found in all good hobby shop, MICHAELS craft stores, 
> HOBBY LOBBY.)
>
> On Saturday, January 6, 2018 at 8:53:06 AM UTC-8, John G. wrote:
>>
>> The good news: I got my Atlantis back! I won't get into the details, but 
>> it had to go to two different framebuilders to get realigned. It's riding 
>> great now.
>>
>> The bad news: it came back with a dozen or so new chips in the paint. I'm 
>> not interested in pointing fingers: the frame went between the shop and the 
>> two framebuilders, and it could've happened anywhere (or everywhere). I'm a 
>> little bummed--I'd like all beausage on the frame to come from my own 
>> personal use.
>>
>> I'll probably get some touch up paint from Waterford, but does anyone 
>> have some Family Secret rust prevention tips in the meantime? I'm the 
>> slushy and salty NYC area, and I STILL haven't put fenders on the bike. 
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Roadini as commuter?

[Toshi Takeuchi]

I setup my Ram bike with a Mark's rack up front--yes with P-clamps, but it
did the job just fine.  I rode 2 600k brevets on it and it held up fine,
and I had to carry a good amount up front and in my saddlebag.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/42771204@N00/8176967200/in/dateposted-public/

Toshi

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[RBW] Re: My new Cheviot

[Joe Bernard]

Palmer: I can hear the chain a bit, but I'm used to derailers so I'm not sure 
what would be noisy to you. It's a stiff tension if that's what you mean: I 
pounded over some speedbumps in the parking area and didn't get a lot of 
tensioner bounce like you would with a rear derailer.

Eric: I don't know Grant's answer to the braze-ons question, but my guess is 
it's to accommodate different racks on that super-long rear triangle. I 
mocked-fitted my Nitto Big Rack and it lined up with the top eyelet on the 
dropout, but I could see someone using the one up the seatstay for a more 
forward mounting of an R14 saddlebag support. That location might be a 
necessity for any rack on the gigantic 60cm frame. 

CT: The Fattys are 650B x 41, with a good amount of room left under the 
calipers for fenders. 

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[RBW] Re: My new Cheviot

[A CT Cyclist]

I love the color! Whats the width of the Fatty Rumpkins? I'm interested to 
see how the fenders fit. I saw a Cheviot at FFD this past fall and the 
wheelbase was much longer than it appears on line.















On Wednesday, January 10, 2018 at 9:21:57 PM UTC-5, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> I interrupt my recent hiatus because A. It seemed stupid, B. I promised I 
> would show off my new Cheviot, and C. Maybe this will serve as 
> encouragement for anyone on the fence about a shiney new Riv to take the 
> jump. Apologies for the lousy indoor shots, I finally got the build 
> finished and just did some laps around the block after sunset. I'll had a 
> sunny outdoor album to this thread soon. 
>
> RBW Blue Cheviot 55cm.
> Nitto stem and Choco bars.
> Stock seatpost and my trusty Brooks B17 ti saddle.
> Tektro R559 brakes and those curvy Tektro levers Riv sells (the copy 
> mentions that they have kind of a 'brake from the hoods' position unusual 
> for mtb levers, and this is immediately noticeable. Very nice levers).
> Ergon grips, German mirror. 
> Velocity Synergy 650B wheelset from a listmember, LX rear, some kinda 
> Shimano dynohub front, some kinda B light from another member (thanks, 
> members!)
> Fatty Rumpkin tires with the lovely (and apparently accidental) red-ish 
> brown sidewalls. Trivia: the blue label on the tires looks nifty on the 
> blue frame. Sweet!
> 17t single cog located with two Gear Clamps, Paul Melvin tensioner.
> Sugini Quickbeam-ish double, 40-26.
> 8-speed chain..don't use 9-speed on this setup, it fits too tight on the 
> single cog.
> MKS Sylvan Touring pedals.
>
> Verdict: It's fantastic! Of course this is an extremely limited first 
> impression, but it feels light and nimble like other Riv road-ish bikes 
> I've owned. My snap judgment is more Hilsen than Appaloosa, but that could 
> be my brain biasing towards looking at road brakes whole I'm pedaling..who 
> knows??
>
> My first impression of the 2-speed arrangement is that it's a singlespeed 
> and I'll probably never bother to stop and "shift". I purposely went this 
> direction because I've gotten maddenly out of shape the last couple years 
> and riding ebikes only exaserbated the problem, so I intend to grind out 
> the big gear as much as possible. But it's nice to know the granny is there 
> if I really need it. Fortunately I've just moved from the monster hill I 
> was living on, or I wouldn't have even attempted this. 
>
> The plan right now - especially since I also just bought Patrick the 
> Deacon's Haul-a-Day - is to keep this on the minimalist end with no racks. 
> I have some shorty wood fenders coming which is probably pushing the 
> minimalist thing too far for a lugged steel bike with full eyelets, but I 
> saw that setup once on a Specialized Langster fixie and for some reason I 
> like the look. 
> Get a Cheviot!  
>
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/879LccVHzlW0mRsG3
>
> Here's the Haul-a-Day, also not great shots. 
>
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/HIZdXsNfDPnnGDdb2
>
> Joe Bernard
> Novato CA. 
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] My new Cheviot

[Eric Norris]

Nice bike, Joe!

What’s the purpose of the third braze-on on the rear dropouts? One for a fender 
strut, one for a rack, plus ... ??

I ask in part because my two Alex Singers, which were purpose-built to accept 
both fenders and rear racks, do this with *one* braze-on and a clever bolt that 
does double duty.

--Eric N
Twitter/Instagram/YouTube: @CampyOnlyGuy

> On Jan 10, 2018, at 6:21 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
> 
> I interrupt my recent hiatus because A. It seemed stupid, B. I promised I 
> would show off my new Cheviot, and C. Maybe this will serve as encouragement 
> for anyone on the fence about a shiney new Riv to take the jump. Apologies 
> for the lousy indoor shots, I finally got the build finished and just did 
> some laps around the block after sunset. I'll had a sunny outdoor album to 
> this thread soon. 
> 
> RBW Blue Cheviot 55cm.
> Nitto stem and Choco bars.
> Stock seatpost and my trusty Brooks B17 ti saddle.
> Tektro R559 brakes and those curvy Tektro levers Riv sells (the copy mentions 
> that they have kind of a 'brake from the hoods' position unusual for mtb 
> levers, and this is immediately noticeable. Very nice levers).
> Ergon grips, German mirror. 
> Velocity Synergy 650B wheelset from a listmember, LX rear, some kinda Shimano 
> dynohub front, some kinda B light from another member (thanks, members!)
> Fatty Rumpkin tires with the lovely (and apparently accidental) red-ish brown 
> sidewalls. Trivia: the blue label on the tires looks nifty on the blue frame. 
> Sweet!
> 17t single cog located with two Gear Clamps, Paul Melvin tensioner.
> Sugini Quickbeam-ish double, 40-26.
> 8-speed chain..don't use 9-speed on this setup, it fits too tight on the 
> single cog.
> MKS Sylvan Touring pedals.
> 
> Verdict: It's fantastic! Of course this is an extremely limited first 
> impression, but it feels light and nimble like other Riv road-ish bikes I've 
> owned. My snap judgment is more Hilsen than Appaloosa, but that could be my 
> brain biasing towards looking at road brakes whole I'm pedaling..who knows??
> 
> My first impression of the 2-speed arrangement is that it's a singlespeed and 
> I'll probably never bother to stop and "shift". I purposely went this 
> direction because I've gotten maddenly out of shape the last couple years and 
> riding ebikes only exaserbated the problem, so I intend to grind out the big 
> gear as much as possible. But it's nice to know the granny is there if I 
> really need it. Fortunately I've just moved from the monster hill I was 
> living on, or I wouldn't have even attempted this. 
> 
> The plan right now - especially since I also just bought Patrick the Deacon's 
> Haul-a-Day - is to keep this on the minimalist end with no racks. I have some 
> shorty wood fenders coming which is probably pushing the minimalist thing too 
> far for a lugged steel bike with full eyelets, but I saw that setup once on a 
> Specialized Langster fixie and for some reason I like the look. 
> Get a Cheviot!  
> 
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/879LccVHzlW0mRsG3
> 
> Here's the Haul-a-Day, also not great shots. 
> 
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/HIZdXsNfDPnnGDdb2
> 
> Joe Bernard
> Novato CA. 
> 
> 
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[RBW] My new Cheviot

[Palmer]

Hi Joe.
What a tremendous bike. Does it ride quietly with the tensioner? I usually like 
a ss without tensioner for quiet riding. I am considering a 3 ring by 1 cog  
with front derailler shifting only and a tensioner. As long as it is quiet, 
that is.
Tom Palmer
Twin Lake, MI

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[RBW] My new Cheviot

[WETH]

Joe,
I love it, especially the cream headtube!  Looking forward to further single 
speed impressions.  
All the best,
Erl

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[RBW] My new Cheviot

[Pondero]

Wonderful bike, Joe!  The color is lovely, and you can build it up so many 
ways.  I hope you'll follow up with your Cheviot single speed impressions.

Chris Johnson
Sanger, Texas

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[RBW] Re: FS: Riv Road Stnd-56cm-complete bike

[WETH]

Tom,

Thanks for asking.

Yes, I still run the inverted albastache bars.   They work well on this frame 
which is too small for me.  Sorry I haven't tried them the normal way, yet.  I 
still don't ride the bike as much as I feel I should.  I should sell it to 
someone who would use it more, but it is such a beautiful frame.

I am also considering trying the inverted albastache bars on my Cheviot in 
place of albatross bars.  I ride a great deal with my hands on the curves.  I 
installed Dia Compe levers that follow the bar's curve and give me quick access 
to the brakes.  https://flic.kr/p/MX1Vwv However there is much lateral play in 
the levers which I don't like. So I am considering the albastaches with road 
brake levers.  Maybe when I do my spring tune up.  I find fun in 
experimentation! 

All the best,
Erl

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[RBW] Re: WTB: 65cm Clem Smith Jr.

[Joe Bernard]

That Joe is the business. Mustard is an amazing color and the double toptube is 
too cool; I wish I was tall enough to ride it. Fully lugged, an awesome fork 
crown, I'm just sayin'...

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[RBW] My new Cheviot

[Joe Bernard]

I interrupt my recent hiatus because A. It seemed stupid, B. I promised I would 
show off my new Cheviot, and C. Maybe this will serve as encouragement for 
anyone on the fence about a shiney new Riv to take the jump. Apologies for the 
lousy indoor shots, I finally got the build finished and just did some laps 
around the block after sunset. I'll had a sunny outdoor album to this thread 
soon. 

RBW Blue Cheviot 55cm.
Nitto stem and Choco bars.
Stock seatpost and my trusty Brooks B17 ti saddle.
Tektro R559 brakes and those curvy Tektro levers Riv sells (the copy mentions 
that they have kind of a 'brake from the hoods' position unusual for mtb 
levers, and this is immediately noticeable. Very nice levers).
Ergon grips, German mirror. 
Velocity Synergy 650B wheelset from a listmember, LX rear, some kinda Shimano 
dynohub front, some kinda B light from another member (thanks, members!)
Fatty Rumpkin tires with the lovely (and apparently accidental) red-ish brown 
sidewalls. Trivia: the blue label on the tires looks nifty on the blue frame. 
Sweet!
17t single cog located with two Gear Clamps, Paul Melvin tensioner.
Sugini Quickbeam-ish double, 40-26.
8-speed chain..don't use 9-speed on this setup, it fits too tight on the single 
cog.
MKS Sylvan Touring pedals.

Verdict: It's fantastic! Of course this is an extremely limited first 
impression, but it feels light and nimble like other Riv road-ish bikes I've 
owned. My snap judgment is more Hilsen than Appaloosa, but that could be my 
brain biasing towards looking at road brakes whole I'm pedaling..who knows??

My first impression of the 2-speed arrangement is that it's a singlespeed and 
I'll probably never bother to stop and "shift". I purposely went this direction 
because I've gotten maddenly out of shape the last couple years and riding 
ebikes only exaserbated the problem, so I intend to grind out the big gear as 
much as possible. But it's nice to know the granny is there if I really need 
it. Fortunately I've just moved from the monster hill I was living on, or I 
wouldn't have even attempted this. 

The plan right now - especially since I also just bought Patrick the Deacon's 
Haul-a-Day - is to keep this on the minimalist end with no racks. I have some 
shorty wood fenders coming which is probably pushing the minimalist thing too 
far for a lugged steel bike with full eyelets, but I saw that setup once on a 
Specialized Langster fixie and for some reason I like the look. 
Get a Cheviot!  

https://photos.app.goo.gl/879LccVHzlW0mRsG3

Here's the Haul-a-Day, also not great shots. 

https://photos.app.goo.gl/HIZdXsNfDPnnGDdb2

Joe Bernard
Novato CA. 


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[RBW] Long shot WTB: 53cm Hunqapillar

[Bill Lindsay]

Riv has had a 53 Hunqapillar demo bike for a while and they are eager to 
generate January cash flow. Have you offered to buy their demo?  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito Ca. 

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[RBW] Re: Creaky Cranks, Cranky Cranker

[Jeffrey Arita]

Echoing lum gim fong: Check each and all components.  Might be cracked.  
Maybe even the bb shell/chainstay/downtube area.  I had a creaking sound 
coming from the bb area of my Surly Cross-Check.  Finally found it: 
Relatively loose square taper bb (Velo-Orange).  Once I even had 
about-to-be cracked chainring bolts on my mountain bike crankset!  They 
were those stupid-light alloy types (FSA-brand IIRC).  Immediately replaced 
with steel.

As far as loosening/tightening, lum gim fong I think is referring to this:


Shimano or Park make them.  They work pretty well.  BTW: I realize grease 
is probably perfectly fine (I used it for almost all threads up til now) 
but I recently switched to Finish Line Anti-Seize.  I switched when I was 
building up two Divide bikes (his and hers) early last year.the torque 
range for the chainring bolts on the Shimano SLX crankset were quite high, 
at least in my opinion.  That being said I didn't want to have future 
problems replacing the chainrings.  Ooops, now I just jinxed myself!!!

Good luck!

Jeff

On Wednesday, January 10, 2018 at 3:21:59 PM UTC-8, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Sugino cranks and those fiddly, hard to tighten, hard to loosen chainring 
> bolts. I’m swapping chainrings to play with fixed gear inches (loving 71” 
> after fifty miles of riding) and range possible between high and low gears. 
> I lube things well with Paul grease. 
>
> Ideas for making this job easier? Ideas for tightening chainring bolts and 
> still being able to get them apart? 
>
> I’m wondering if White Industries Square Taper Road Cranks might be the 
> way to go when it’s time to replace my cranks. Experience with them? 
>
> With abandon, 
> Patrick 
>
> www.CredoFamily.org 
> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org

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[RBW] Re: WTB: 65cm Clem Smith Jr.

[AxlRose]

Thanks for also bringing that to my attention.  Looking into it now...

On Wednesday, January 10, 2018 at 11:55:34 AM UTC-5, Jonathan D. wrote:
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> That Joe is a great deal. 

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[RBW] Free Rivendell Reader 38-41

[Christopher Murray]

Everything has been claimed. 

Thanks,
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[RBW] Creaky Cranks, Cranky Cranker

[lum gim fong]

I like the old adage "tighten it 'til it smokes".

But I isually snug very well and then do a last swoop in one movement so it 
requires a little grunt at end. All smooth movements. Never jerk tight.
I get if as comfortably tight as poss without hurting me or the bike.

 So far it's worked great on all components. I use multi tool and never a 
cheater bar except when removing cassettes.

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[RBW] Creaky Cranks, Cranky Cranker

[lum gim fong]

Park chainring tool works to stop them from spinning while tightening.

Wedging Any flat piece of metal that will fit (screwdriver) works for the 
hidden bolt.

RBW has a chainring swap video that might help you.

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[RBW] Creaky Cranks, Cranky Cranker

[lum gim fong]

Just for safety, Inspect crank arms  for CRACKS. 

I just use park tool grease in me rings bolts and so far all's well

Thoughts:
Did you tighten the ring bolts like car wheel lugs - back n forth? Not in a 
circle? 

Pedals need tightening?

Crank arms need a snug?

Creaking can come from other places, too. Hard 2 find sometimes.

Jim Langley has a page dedicated to silencing noises.

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[RBW] Creaky Cranks, Cranky Cranker

[Deacon Patrick]

Sugino cranks and those fiddly, hard to tighten, hard to loosen chainring 
bolts. I’m swapping chainrings to play with fixed gear inches (loving 71” after 
fifty miles of riding) and range possible between high and low gears. I lube 
things well with Paul grease.

Ideas for making this job easier? Ideas for tightening chainring bolts and 
still being able to get them apart?

I’m wondering if White Industries Square Taper Road Cranks might be the way to 
go when it’s time to replace my cranks. Experience with them?

With abandon,
Patrick

www.CredoFamily.org
www.MindYourHeadCoop.org

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[RBW] Re: Traveling with your bike

[dougP]

Ben:

Check all the airlines serving your destination but IMHO it's rare for an 
airline to be competitive with ground service.  On top of that, the 
airlines are no more gentle with luggage than UPS & Fed Ex are with 
packages. If you take your bike on the airplane, you also have to think 
about transporting the big box from the airport to your destination.  
Sounds trivial but it can be a hassle. 

Check the current standards but the magic number for UPS & Fed Ex has been 
130", combined length plus girth of your box.  I have a hard case that 
meets the requirement and my 58 cm Atlantis fits.  I have to remove racks 
but can still pack them in the box.  A 62 might be a snug fit.  

Depending on your needs at your destination, another solution is to track 
down a rental bike.  This option has grown in availability in the last few 
years, and is worth considering if you are doing casual rides in one area.  
Of course, if you are setting out on a long, multi day tour having your own 
bike is priceless.  

Have not used Bike Flights but they have gotten positive reviews on bike 
forums.  

dougP

On Wednesday, January 10, 2018 at 1:05:32 PM UTC-8, Ben Miller wrote:
>
> I'm in the process of packing up a bike I sold to another list member and 
> also, at the same time, planning a trip that I want to take a bike with me. 
> Being a tall person, I love that Rivendell makes large bikes, but when it 
> comes to packing them, you run up against the fact that most frames just 
> aren't so damn big. 
>
> So, anyone have thoughts/suggestions on traveling with your 
> larger-than-average-frame Rivendell? Any experience with soft or hard shell 
> bike travel cases, for say a 62 cm+ frame? 
>
> Also, any preferences on taking the bike with you on the plane vs shipping 
> it, say via BikeFlights? I realize this is somewhat airline dependent, as 
> the cost on some airlines is just too much for it to make sense. But 
> assuming a $100 or less bike fee for the airline, does BikeFlight offer 
> anything in terms of piece of mind or insurance? Where do you ship it too, 
> if you don't have a contact where you're going? A bike shop? 
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Ben
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Traveling with your bike

[Eric Norris]

Ben:

The last time I shipped a bike (via Bike Flights) I ran into a problem finding 
a box small enough to avoid their oversize charge (which, to be fair, UPS and 
FedEx also charge). Most of the empty bike boxes I found at bike shops were in 
the “too big” category, and I had to hunt for a smaller one. The difference in 
shipping cost was something like $80 for a small box and $400 for one only 
slightly larger.

I say this because I was shipping a 57cm bike (with wheels) that barely fit 
inside that box. You may have a problem getting your larger bike into a package 
that doesn’t cost a fortune to ship.

One alternative, if you are going to a place near an Amtrak station, is to ship 
the bike by train. Amtrak doesn’t charge for very large boxes—in fact, they 
sell a box for use on their trains that only requires pedals to be taken off 
and the handlebars rotated to be parallel with the frame. You get a very tall 
bike in their box, and they’ll ship a bike across the US for about what Bike 
Flights, UPS, or FedEx charges for a much smaller package. Shipping all the way 
across the US took a few days the last time I sent a bike.

--Eric N
campyonly...@me.com
www.CampyOnly.com
Campyonlyguy.blogspot.com
@Campyonlyguy


> On Jan 10, 2018, at 1:05 PM, Ben Miller  wrote:
> 
> I'm in the process of packing up a bike I sold to another list member and 
> also, at the same time, planning a trip that I want to take a bike with me. 
> Being a tall person, I love that Rivendell makes large bikes, but when it 
> comes to packing them, you run up against the fact that most frames just 
> aren't so damn big. 
> 
> So, anyone have thoughts/suggestions on traveling with your 
> larger-than-average-frame Rivendell? Any experience with soft or hard shell 
> bike travel cases, for say a 62 cm+ frame? 
> 
> Also, any preferences on taking the bike with you on the plane vs shipping 
> it, say via BikeFlights? I realize this is somewhat airline dependent, as the 
> cost on some airlines is just too much for it to make sense. But assuming a 
> $100 or less bike fee for the airline, does BikeFlight offer anything in 
> terms of piece of mind or insurance? Where do you ship it too, if you don't 
> have a contact where you're going? A bike shop? 
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> Ben
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Re: [RBW] Re: MUSA Shorts

[Joe Bernard]

I just toss 'em in with regular laundry and try to remember not to transfer to 
the dryer. They probably last longer with special treatment, but regular 
wash/air dry has been fine for me. 

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[RBW] Free Rivendell Reader 38-41

[Christopher Murray]

#40 has been claimed. #38, 39, #41, and brochure avail. 

Chris

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[RBW] Re: Matt from Crust - PLP Talks

[sean]

Yeah, I appreciate the ability of people to not take themselves too 
seriously and just love bikes and what they're doing. Matt comes across 
like a straight-up good guy. Agree on the Ultraromance interview as well. 
Poppi seems like a much more down-to-earth person than I would have 
imagined from Instagram (I don't get the whole appeal of Instagram anyway, 
but maybe it's my age). Both of these guys are promoting the best things 
about riding bikes and smart bike design and seem to be picking up the 
torch that Rivendell lit long ago. The fact that someone can make bikes 
that they (and their friends) want to ride and someone can make a "living" 
bicycle touring is pretty amazing in and of itself.

Speaking of the towel rack, looking forward to seeing what this Crust shaka 
bar is all about too. 

Much like the mainstream industry cribbed from Grant/Riv, I suspect they'll 
be doing the same from Matt/Crust.

Sean
ATX


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[RBW] Traveling with your bike

[Ben Miller]

I'm in the process of packing up a bike I sold to another list member and also, 
at the same time, planning a trip that I want to take a bike with me. Being a 
tall person, I love that Rivendell makes large bikes, but when it comes to 
packing them, you run up against the fact that most frames just aren't so damn 
big. 

So, anyone have thoughts/suggestions on traveling with your 
larger-than-average-frame Rivendell? Any experience with soft or hard shell 
bike travel cases, for say a 62 cm+ frame? 

Also, any preferences on taking the bike with you on the plane vs shipping it, 
say via BikeFlights? I realize this is somewhat airline dependent, as the cost 
on some airlines is just too much for it to make sense. But assuming a $100 or 
less bike fee for the airline, does BikeFlight offer anything in terms of piece 
of mind or insurance? Where do you ship it too, if you don't have a contact 
where you're going? A bike shop? 

Thanks in advance,
Ben

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[RBW] Free Rivendell Reader 38-41

[Christopher Murray]

I found these while going through the bookshelf. All in good/great condition. I 
think Kevin gave me these when I was at RBWHQ. Free to anyone who wants’em. 
There is a little folded brochure/catalog too. 

Cheers!
Chris

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[RBW] Re: Cumil the Peeper sold me a Canti-Sam frameset

[Christopher Murray]

Agreed. I’ve seen and ridden a 51 and it was perfect. There must be something 
with this batch. 

Cheers!
Chris

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[RBW] Re: Matt from Crust - PLP Talks

[Ben Miller]

I listened to it last night on the commute home. I laughed a lot. Matt seems 
like a fun, interesting person, doing his thing and getting by. Definitely 
interesting getting his take starting a independent bike business and also some 
of the back story on things, especially the leather bar/towelrack! 

I also listened to the PLP talk with Benedict/Ultraromance. And I recommend 
that too. Might start going back and listening to more of these PLP interviews. 

And like Adam I own several Rivs and two Crust bikes. A Romancüer and a 
Scapegoat. I disagree with Matt on the 'Goat, I think it's a very aesthetically 
pleasing bike! And it's so much fun to ride. It's really like a extra-large BMX 
and makes you feel like a kid again. A lot has been said about the Romancüer, 
so i don't think I have anything new to say, other than I love mine. I can't 
wait to get my hands on some damn leather bars for it though!

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[RBW] Re: Cumil the Peeper sold me a Canti-Sam frameset

[RichS]

Christopher,

Something must have gone awry with the latest run of 51 Sams. I have a Sage 
Green 51 and it’s been perfect from the moment I put it on the road.

The black and cream Sams are so sharp. Congrats to all the prospective owners. 
Hope you enjoy yours as much as I appreciate mine.

Best,
Richard

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[RBW] Rear supports- marks, erlen etc

[RichS]

Drew,

To my mind the Nitto R-14 Top Rack is a fairly minimal rack that supports 10-15 
pounds for me.
Plus, I think they look good.

I change bags ranging in size from Carradice Pendle up to a medium Saddlesack. 
Just added one to a Roadeo I’m building. It will support the Pendle and a 
Toplight tail light.

Good luck in your search.
Richard

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Re: [RBW] Re: MUSA Shorts

[R Shannon]

Seconding Joe’s recommendation on the Devold merino shorts Riv sells. Yes, 
they’re pricey but they are super comfortable. 

I use them exclusively for travel since they can be worn multiple times before 
washing (Kookaburra wool wash is great). They also dry quickly. 

 Try a pair or two. Boosting Riv’s January sales:-)

Regards,
Richard

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Re: [RBW] Roadini as commuter?

[Kainalu V.]

I'm a 220lb 6'8" Fresian non sprinter, but the bike came gently used. Might've 
been under a roid raging monster at some point, but the man who I purchased it 
from certainly seemed perfectly calm and kind, and about 200lb wet. It was an 
oddity for sure.
-Kai 
BK NY 

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[RBW] Re: Crankypants & Thoughtful Responses

[Philip Williamson]

Thank you, Jim, for driving the bus!

I spoke a bit sharpishly recently on a thread or two, and I'm sorry. I 
value each lister, and truly enjoy your company. 

Philip
Santa Rosa, CA

On Saturday, January 6, 2018 at 8:52:37 AM UTC-8, Cyclofiend Jim wrote:
>
> The tenets of this group have not changed. It's right there in the top 
> line - "...a respectful, supportive and polite tone in all posts."
>
> I never expected that everyone would agree with everyone else in every 
> post. The world would truly be a much more boring place if that were the 
> case. 
>
> But excessive umbrage and accusations and generally going toe-to-toe in 
> recent threads which should have been innocuous makes me a bit concerned. 
> Hopefully, this was just an early example of the February crankiness that 
> pops up on this list when folks have not gotten out to ride enough. 
>
> There are a few things in those escalating threads which catch my 
> attention. 
>
> One is a statement which described a post as hastily made.  There's not a 
> thing so time-dependent on this group that anyone needs to shoehorn an 
> immediate response between the business of the day. If someone insults you, 
> let it stand. The previous conversational contributions made to this group 
> present enough of a body of evidence as to whether any insult is valid or 
> ludicrous. We all have a sense of the personalities behind the comments, 
> especially if we've been involved in this list for any length of time. The 
> need to respond immediately does not exist here. There are better venues 
> for that. If you find yourself hammering out (or tapping out) (or dictating 
> to a transcription bot) a quick response, maybe you don't need to post it. 
>
> Because words are tough. 
>
> We see it play out time and time again. All we get are the words. No body 
> language or tone. No micro musculature movement on the face to defuse or 
> contextualize the words. An innocuous post taken the wrong way. Something 
> triggers someone and suddenly the conversation is in a death spiral towards 
> "So's yer old man!"
>
> I think we're better than that.
>
> Because we're human, that isn't always the case. 
>
> So, let's give one another the opportunity to be wrong, hold an opinion we 
> don't agree with, miss the point entirely or explore an idea clumsily. If 
> you are the smartest person in the room, let the rest of us catch up 
> occasionally. Pretend it's a group ride where no one gets dropped.
>
> There were also a few things in the threads which heartened me.  
>
> Group members stepped in to diffuse the situation, putting themselves in 
> the line of fire to let everyone sit back down and enjoy the music. Thank 
> you. 
>
> That said, what now?
>
> Will we continue to get teased by the popular social venues into being the 
> first responder? Having an answer rather than considering a thoughtful 
> response? Will this group become a value-added buy/sell/trade sheet? Will 
> we continue to find commonality or seek to contrast only our differences? 
> Will Timmy hang on to the cracking tree branch over the chasm while Lassie 
> finds the ranger? Wait. Sorry. Ignore that last line.
>
> My point, as always, is that the quality of this group is up to us. Let's 
> move forward with a commitment to that idea.
>
> Thanks to everyone for their ongoing contributions to this group. 
>
> - Jim
>
> Jim Edgar / rbw group admin
>
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[RBW] FS: Black 52cm Clementine f/f/hs plus extras, $750

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I wish I was not writing this ad, but unfortunately, I need to generate 
some cash, and my Clementine, aka Clem Smith Jr. L-style, is one of the few 
bikes I own with any real measurable resale value. It has been truly a joy 
to ride, and if my circumstances were different, I would keep this bike 
until the day I could no longer pull myself onto the saddle. However, since 
losing my job last March, I have not needed it for commuting, and, being on 
the third floor of a walk-up, I have been using a slightly lighter town 
bike most days. Also, I hit a giant pothole at night that took out the rear 
rim (did not crash, made it home). I have tentative plans to build a "poor 
man's Rivendell" with some of the parts, but having ridden this bike for 
some time, I know it will be a pale comparison. With that preface out of 
the way, here are the details:

*Included:*


   - *First iteration black 52cm frame & fork; has the white paint details, 
   and "CLEMENTINE" written on the downtube*.
   - *Also included from the "complete bike" kit: headset, seat post, 
   brakes, kickstand, front and rear derailleurs, extra long chain.* (If 
   for some reason you do not want the brakes,derailleurs, chain,  subtract 
   $25)
   - Surly 8 pack rack that I modified slightly to work with this bike is 
   an extra $50 for frame buyer if desired, $80 if not sold with frame. 


Bike is in very very good condition. I'm not going to document every little 
boo boo, but there is nothing egregiously obvious here, it was well cared 
for and always parked indoors on both ends of the commute.

I won't disassemble the bike until it sells, so between that and finding a 
big enough box (fork will be removed), it will not be arriving to you 
overnight. $750 plus bikeflights ($725 minus included extras).

Here are some pictures of the complete bicycle: 
https://goo.gl/photos/Xyf3kVj4ENcXVSiw5


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Re: [RBW] Roadini as commuter?

[Patrick Moore]

How much do you weigh? It's hard to imagine anyone but a 225 lb East German
elite track sprinter on steroids breaking a good steel frame across the bb
shell, loads or no loads.

I've heavily torqued much lighter frames up steep hills, with heavy rear
loads, for years, with no problems. I suspect a cause different from mere
rear loading.

On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 9:52 AM, Kainalu V.  wrote:

> I commute on a Quickbeam quite a bit and want to share one concern of
> mine. This Quickbeam of mine is my 2nd as I murdered the first's bottom
> bracket shell with a crack from front to back. On my "new" Quickbeam I have
> some lowriders up front I carry any load I might on, keeping the rear clear
> of anything but my butt. My reasoning is that rear loading killed the old
> frame because those times when I was cranking up a hill standing on the
> pedals with weight on my bars caused undue stress from those rear loads
> riding along side to side without me in the seat to keep it all copacetic.
> I might be wrong, but so far so good (except for that one point when it
> wasn't).
> -Kai of the two beautiful green 'beams
> BK NY
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[RBW] Free Bar End shifter.

[Joe Huddleston]

Spoken for already.

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[RBW] Re: Free Ultegra Bar End Shifter

[Joe Huddleston]

On Wednesday, January 10, 2018 at 12:08:08 PM UTC-5, Joe Huddleston wrote:
>
> Already gone to first iROB.  Thanks.
>
> On Wednesday, January 10, 2018 at 11:21:21 AM UTC-5, Joe Huddleston wrote:
>>
>> iROBs,
>>  I have a SL-BS64 front double/triple bar end shifter (8 spd issue)in 
>> very good condition. Came to me as a gimme, but I don't need it, so whoever 
>> wants it, you may have it. First come, first served. Thanks
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Free Ultegra Bar End Shifter

[Joe Huddleston]

Already gone to first iROB.  Thanks.

On Wednesday, January 10, 2018 at 11:21:21 AM UTC-5, Joe Huddleston wrote:
>
> iROBs,
>  I have a SL-BS64 front double/triple bar end shifter (8 spd issue)in very 
> good condition. Came to me as a gimme, but I don't need it, so whoever 
> wants it, you may have it. First come, first served. Thanks
>
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[RBW] Re: Roadini as commuter?

[adam leibow]

Nothing is altogether wrong with P clamps, I just see them as an inelegant 
solution both visually and in concept.

On Tuesday, January 9, 2018 at 10:55:34 PM UTC-8, lum gim fong wrote:
>
> Whats wrong with p clamps?

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Re: [RBW] Re: Cumil the Peeper sold me a Canti-Sam frameset

[john Bokman]

Ah, then in that case, glad I waited for the 58!
Rides like a dream. Rolling gleefully.
> On Jan 10, 2018, at 8:20 AM, Dave Small  wrote:
> 
> My story is the same:  60cm (which I bought) is a bit too big, the 56cm 
> (which I test rode and didn't buy) was a bit too small, and the later 58cm 
> version is just right.  I don't think the current 58cm equals the first-run 
> 56cm, either from my experience with them or the PBH recommendations--it's in 
> between.  
> 
> On Tuesday, January 9, 2018 at 9:58:09 PM UTC-5, John Bokman wrote:
> Rod, I got the first run (2009) Sam in 60cm. I wish I had gotten a 56 in 
> retrospect. Finally I got a 58 (new run) and it’s perfect. I think it equates 
> to the first run 56cm.
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[RBW] Re: WTB: 65cm Clem Smith Jr.

[Jonathan D.]

That Joe is a great deal. 

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Re: [RBW] Roadini as commuter?

[Kainalu V.]

I commute on a Quickbeam quite a bit and want to share one concern of mine. 
This Quickbeam of mine is my 2nd as I murdered the first's bottom bracket 
shell with a crack from front to back. On my "new" Quickbeam I have some 
lowriders up front I carry any load I might on, keeping the rear clear of 
anything but my butt. My reasoning is that rear loading killed the old 
frame because those times when I was cranking up a hill standing on the 
pedals with weight on my bars caused undue stress from those rear loads 
riding along side to side without me in the seat to keep it all copacetic. 
I might be wrong, but so far so good (except for that one point when it 
wasn't). 
-Kai of the two beautiful green 'beams
BK NY


On Tuesday, January 9, 2018 at 3:34:02 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> I expect that the Roadini would do better with rear loads than front ones, 
> given Rivendells' typical geometry for their roady models. If it is much 
> like the Ram, then doubleplusgood for that opinion.
>
> I commuted for years on 2 Road Customs (serially, not simultaneously), and 
> still do grocery errands on the later Road Custom, with rear loads in large 
> saddlebags (Nelson LF, Adam, Med Sackville) but have always gone back to 
> rear panniers on a stiff rack (Tubus Fly, various customs). I also owned a 
> Sam Hill and a Ram and both did fine with rear loads of up to 40 lb, but 
> oddly, IME, the Ram better than the Sam which, heavily rear laden, became 
> unpleasantly light in front steering. (I once just to try it put 50 lb in 
> low riders attached to custom braze ons on the front of the Sam: I couldn't 
> steer!)
>
> IME, a bike as stout as the Ram can handle rear loads up to 25 lbs without 
> a waggle, on a good rack (I am about 175). I've also been carrying smaller 
> loads up to 20 lbs on front low riders on the later custom; the bike 
> handles them fine, but this one, and the earlier one, were noticeably 
> better with rear loads. I've carried 40 lbs in the rear on the 2 bikes with 
> little problem, though my usual commuting loads were well under 20 lb.
>
> On Mon, Jan 8, 2018 at 2:40 PM, Patrick S.  > wrote:
>
>> Hey there, not an RBW owner (yet) but had a question concerning the 
>> Roadini and thought you fine folks might be interested in giving your 
>> "unbiased" opinion. 
>>
>> I've been commuting (approx 2400km / season) with a Surly LHT 26" for the 
>> past while and am really interested in the Roadini for its geometry (higher 
>> cockpit and shorter wheelbase) and looks (of course). I carry about 
>> 10/15lbs up front and ride in all types of weather. Just wondering if 
>> anyone here has built one up and what's their experience so far?
>>
>> Cheers!
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[RBW] Re: MUSA Shorts

[Joe Bernard]

https://www.rivbike.com/collections/clothing/products/devold-wool-boxer-briefs

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[RBW] Re: WTB: 65cm Clem Smith Jr.

[AxlRose]

Excellent - I didn't catch that on the website..  Thank you Jonathan D and 
Tim.  I'll give them a call when they open today.

On Wednesday, January 10, 2018 at 8:42:24 AM UTC-5, Tim wrote:
>
> There is definitely (at least yesterday it was there) a 65 Clem H on the 
> site, discounted from $850 to $750. 

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[RBW] Re: frame bags on your Riv: anybody tried 'em?

[Chris Corral]

+1 on the Jandd recommendation. Cheap, got all the features, durable. It is not 
waterproof like the Revelate, though water resistant - good enough for any 
day-ride. I do use it on some touring, though for long trips will use a custom 
full size bag. Fits several of my bikes 

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Re: [RBW] Roadini as commuter?

[John W]

I've long used a Carradice Super C with an SQR quick release. It has an 
ample ~20L capacity and I use all of the space. (You need slightly more 
than a fistful of seatpost for the SQR clamp.) I've done this with a 
variety of bikes including ones that wouldn't fall into the typical 
"commuter" species and its worked just fine. Just another consideration.

On Tuesday, January 9, 2018 at 11:22:42 AM UTC-5, Patrick S. wrote:
>
> I currently have a Sulry 24 pack rack + ILE Porteur bag. Not opposed to 
> move everything to the back though. Used to carry loads this way but found 
> that loading up a 26" sized wheel bike in the front helped stabilize the 
> steering a bit. And I also like having quick access to my stuff in the 
> front also. 
>
>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] Roadini as commuter?

[Patrick S.]

@Max - I'm really lucky. I park my bike in an locked cage with security 
cameras which is situated in an underground parking under our building. 


On Tuesday, January 9, 2018 at 8:25:01 PM UTC-5, Max S wrote:
>
> Have been reading this thread with interest, as I’m hoping to start bike 
> commuting again soon, once the clavicle heals and the snow and ice are off 
> the roads. 
>
> I’m wondering what the OP’s requirements are with regard to locking the 
> bike up vs. being able to bring it inside at work, leaving the bags on the 
> bike vs. having to take them with, etc?.. 
>
> My most preferred set up for ride quality is either a front bag on a rack 
> or a saddlebag, but only if I can bring the bike in with me. (None of the 
> saddlebags or front bags that I’ve seen or used seem to be very good for 
> easily releasing and then easily carrying...) Often I cannot bring the bike 
> inside, so some kind of quick release and good portage option are needed. 
> In those cases, I find that the inexpensive Wald basket up front works (I 
> just put my work bag in, go, lock, grab, go), as long as the load is not 
> too heavy. In either case, I find that a road bike with a decently long 
> wheelbase does pretty well. 
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[RBW] Free Ultegra Bar End Shifter

[Joe Huddleston]

iROBs,
 I have a SL-BS64 front double/triple bar end shifter (8 spd issue)in very 
good condition. Came to me as a gimme, but I don't need it, so whoever 
wants it, you may have it. First come, first served. Thanks

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Re: [RBW] Re: Cumil the Peeper sold me a Canti-Sam frameset

[Dave Small]

My story is the same:  60cm (which I bought) is a bit too big, the 56cm 
(which I test rode and didn't buy) was a bit too small, and the later 58cm 
version is just right.  I don't think the current 58cm equals the first-run 
56cm, either from my experience with them or the PBH recommendations--it's 
in between.  

On Tuesday, January 9, 2018 at 9:58:09 PM UTC-5, John Bokman wrote:
>
> Rod, I got the first run (2009) Sam in 60cm. I wish I had gotten a 56 in 
> retrospect. Finally I got a 58 (new run) and it’s perfect. I think it 
> equates to the first run 56cm.
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Re: [RBW] Re: MUSA Shorts

[Eric Floden]

I like these and they are on $C clearance

https://www.mec.ca/en/product/5047-336/Merino-T1-Boxer

EricF
Ottawa

On 10 January 2018 at 10:53, Doug H.  wrote:

> So what brand wool underlings would you all recommend?
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[RBW] Re: MUSA Shorts

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So what brand wool underlings would you all recommend?

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[RBW] Re: Fendering a Quickbeam

[Pondero]

Yes, I believe my longboards are 45mm also.  It would be nice to have a little 
more space between tire and fender, but this my city bike, and it has worked 
quite well.

Chris Johnson
Sanger, Texas

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[RBW] Rear supports- marks, erlen etc

[Pondero]

Drew, I use the Erlen bag support on my Bantam bikepacking rig, and find it 
ideal.  I try to load my heaviest things in a frame bag, but the Carradice 
longflap bag still carries a significant load over rugged roads just fine.

Chris Johnson
Sanger, Texas

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[RBW] Re: MUSA Shorts

[Joe Bernard]

#1 for wool underwear and unpadded MUSA shorts. I wasted 20 years trying to get 
comfortable on upright bikes with padded cycling shorts, then rode recumbents 
for a few years. A Brooks B17 with wool and MUSA was a stunning revelation. It 
works!

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Re: [RBW] Rear supports- marks, erlen etc

[Jeff Lesperance]

I had a similar dilemma where I had tried a Carradice bagman, similar in
design to the Erlen rack, and found it too noodly as load in my saddlebag
increased or road/trail surface was a little rough

I've settle on using a Mark's rack on the rear, after trying some other
cobbled together solutions and a Nitto R-14, which did the job just fine,
but was bigger/longer than I needed it to be and I was really looking for
something sturdy but minimal. I've not thought about sorting out the weight
limit situation with saddle + rack connection points, though the Mark's
rack as a woefully small weight limit of 4.4 lbs. according to Nitto that I
likely exceed on occasion, even when considering that the saddle is
carrying/support much of the weight.

On Tue, Jan 9, 2018 at 8:48 PM, drew  wrote:

> I’m attempting to have my Atlantis in always ready tour mode and yet not
> be over equipped for daily normal riding. So far this consists of a 3 bar
> pass and stow rack with a medium basket. Daily, just the basket gets used
> but panniers go on for overnights.
> I’d like to add something to the back to support a 10-20ish lb load in a
> medium saddle sack without adding a full rear rack, since I won’t use a
> saddlebag most of the time.
> What are people liking for a rear support? I like the minimalism of the
> ocean air erlen, but wonder about the saddle interface and noodliness. I
> have a spare marks rack that I’m thinking about using on the back too. Any
> other options I should be looking at?
> Also, how does one assess a weight limit for a rear support when a lot of
> the weight is being carried by the saddle itself?
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[RBW] WTB: 65cm Clem Smith Jr.

['Tim' via RBW Owners Bunch]

There is definitely (at least yesterday it was there) a 65 Clem H on the site, 
discounted from $850 to $750. 

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Re: [RBW] Roadini as commuter?

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

As it turns out, the Roadini has braze-ons for a rear rack. Either way, the 
Roadini is a bicycle in the old school sense in that it is not a hot house 
flower, but can handle most any regular road and weather conditions, and 
then some. New school in the sense its designer has been working on ways to 
further tweak and improve this basic idea his entire career, as well as 
explore new parameters (sloped tt, long stays, etc.) and it takes advantage 
of modern materials. Based on what the OP already has in the stable, unless 
his body requires the extra cush of super wide rubber, or he commutes with 
a desktop and 3 changes of clothing and a set of encyclopedias, I say 
Roadini all the way.

On Tuesday, January 9, 2018 at 11:01:18 PM UTC-8, Patrick S. wrote:
>
> Yep, that would be a good solution. Tubus makes a great rack with this 
> attachment. 
>
>
>
> 
>
>
> On Tuesday, January 9, 2018 at 11:59:17 AM UTC-5, Mark in Beacon wrote:
>>
>> You certainly do not need p-clamps to enjoy a super solid rack on your 
>> bike. I've had these before and they work just great. This one is on a bike 
>> new to me, which still needs a handlebar wrap, and when I removed the 
>> brakes I did not level the rack. It's now going on another bike anyway. As 
>> has been said many times, this kind of connection has carried countless 
>> loads millions of miles. Seat stay braze-ons are nice and might make it a 
>> bit more secure in theory, but this rack would look killer on a grilver 
>> Roadini.
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>> The only possible stumbling block to using the Roadini as your dedicated 
>> commuter is you are going to loose significant tire width over a 26" LHT, 
>> especially if you outfit it with fenders for all weather. Maybe a dual 
>> role--the Roadini on fair weather days when you might want to throw on some 
>> extra miles, the LHT for the more challenging weather. The LHT could be 
>> your camping/gravel bike, the Roadini fast solo or club riding, day trips, 
>> packed dirt road, etc. Perfect!
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, January 9, 2018 at 7:03:40 AM UTC-8, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>>>
>>> ...you could use P-clamps, but honestly - why would you want to?  And 
>>> why does this frame have no rack mounting points if carrying a commuting or 
>>> light touring load was considered in the design?)  
>>>
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: MUSA Shorts

[Doug H.]

Jeff,

I appreciate the feedback. Sounds like lots of people like these shorts and 
that they are durable. I've not tried wool underwear so that may be 
something to consider for longish rides.
Doug

On Wednesday, January 10, 2018 at 12:59:42 AM UTC-5, Jeffrey Arita wrote:
>
> Doug,
>
> I own 2 pair of the MUSA shorts, purchased 2017.  Wore them on the Divide 
> this past summer, 53+ days.  I will note that in preparation for the Divide 
> I read a bunch of guys experimented with different cycling shorts.  Keeping 
> it short, several guys advised *against *traditional padded cycling 
> shorts.  I tested their theory by riding short local rides in wool 
> underwear and the MUSA shorts.  I would repeat this several days in a row, 
> simulating the Divide.  My particular butt felt pretty good.  FYI: I rode a 
> Brooks C17 saddle.  For the Divide I took the plunge and wore the wool 
> underwear with the MUSA shorts.  Gotta say this combo worked really well 
> for me.  Wool underwear because of their anti-microbial property and they 
> don't smell even after a solid week of cycling(!).  The MUSA shorts held up 
> well, day after day.  Hope you are having good luck with them.
>
> Jeff 
>
> On Monday, January 8, 2018 at 9:56:06 AM UTC-8, Doug H. wrote:
>>
>> I bought a pair of MUSA pants and they’ve quickly become my favorites for 
>> cycling and just wearing casually. Has anyone tried the shorts? I’d love to 
>> hear some feedback. Thanks, 
>> Doug
>
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Re: [RBW] Rear supports- marks, erlen etc

[Steven Sweedler]

Drew, have you looked at this rear support from Nitto
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Nitto-NR20-Rear-Rack/131538098516?hash=item1ea0481954:g:23cAAOSwPcVVgUA4

I think I have seen another very similar Nitto rack that attached to the
seat stays rather than the canti posts. Steve

On Tue, Jan 9, 2018 at 8:48 PM drew  wrote:

> I’m attempting to have my Atlantis in always ready tour mode and yet not
> be over equipped for daily normal riding. So far this consists of a 3 bar
> pass and stow rack with a medium basket. Daily, just the basket gets used
> but panniers go on for overnights.
> I’d like to add something to the back to support a 10-20ish lb load in a
> medium saddle sack without adding a full rear rack, since I won’t use a
> saddlebag most of the time.
> What are people liking for a rear support? I like the minimalism of the
> ocean air erlen, but wonder about the saddle interface and noodliness. I
> have a spare marks rack that I’m thinking about using on the back too. Any
> other options I should be looking at?
> Also, how does one assess a weight limit for a rear support when a lot of
> the weight is being carried by the saddle itself?
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