[RBW] Riding without fenders on Rivs reviews needed.

[Mark Anderson]

If your brake-mounted headlight falls into your wheel, that means your front 
brake has detached from the fork.  In that case the light may make you crash, 
but you'd crash without the light too. 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Banana sax reviews needed. Stuff fall out?

[Joe Bernard]

Nope. It'll hold most of it, but I don't think you can top the rest of that 
list with sunglasses and a lunch. 

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[RBW] Barsack (sackville) help needed

[Lum Gim Fong]

I once had a cheapy Avenir Metro bar bag that had a textured plasticy 
cylinder/liner that kept its shape. Worked really well. Wish I knew what that 
material was.

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[RBW] Re: Riding without fenders on Rivs reviews needed.

[Surlyprof]

We don't get that much rain in these parts and usually know the season when 
it's going to hit.  My Hillborne has been fenderless for almost two years 
since I got a fendered Brompton for commuting.  I swap wheelsets often and 
fenderless allows for gravel fun with Smart 
Sams:  
https://www.flickr.com/photos/129545862@N03/19238298132/in/dateposted-public/

However, aesthetically, I do think the Hillborne looks classier with the 
fenders:  
https://www.flickr.com/photos/129545862@N03/16993973501/in/dateposted-public/

John

On Saturday, May 19, 2018 at 6:50:03 AM UTC-7, Lum Gim Fong wrote:
>
> From time to time I get the urge to drop the fenders/front rack and just 
> ride, wheels free, with a saddle bag (Banana sax nowadays?)and attach me 
> dino-light onto me front brake assembly.
> I commute 20-30 miles round-trip when I commute. Roads only.
> With wide DT carbonicbike I used to have I could get away with no spray in 
> the face. The DT would block it.
> How do the Rivbikes with skinnier DT fare in the rain? Spray in the face? 
> Or no big deal?
>
>
> I mean, anything heavier than a light rain and I get utterly drenched 
> anyway, even with my correctly, neurotically mounted Honjos and nice J&G 
> rain gear.
> That stuff works great in light rains. But I get soaked to the bone in 
> anything heavier anyway. Sometimes I feel anxious about the risk of 
> rack/fender failures, so I check them  to keep everything snugged up.
> Maybe I will keep the Bleriot the armoured vehicle and the Rambouillet the 
> slimmed down bike and just see how it goes when I get caught on the 
> Rambouillet in the rain.
>
> One thing I love about fenders is I only get hit by falling, clean rain, 
> and not from any nastiness on the road surface. That is a big plus.
>
> Fenderless safety question:
> If a front brake mounted edeluxe  drops onto your unfendered front wheel, 
> will it stop the wheel, or just ride on top of it and not be a danger?
>
> Thanks for your thoughts and experiences.
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Banana sax reviews needed. Stuff fall out?

[Lum Gim Fong]

Ok.
Almost sold but can it hold:

One multi tool
One lightweight rain  jacket
One tube
Spare brake cable
Patch kit
Sunglasses
7” mini pump (mini morph)
Iphone
Keychain
Bag lunch

I would just get another Carradice Pendle bag but I dont like how 
floppy/sloppy/shapeless they look in my bikes.

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Re: [RBW] Rivendell Reader PDF Archives

[Benz, Sunnyvale, CA]

On Saturday, May 19, 2018 at 10:04:21 PM UTC-7, Lum Gim Fong wrote:
>
> Sticky this thread please so readers are easy to find.


While I agree in principle, maybe we should ask Reed about notfine.com, 
where he is hosting the files. You know, just in case, this is a temporary 
holding zone…simply because the content of interest are the files.

So, Reed, what do you say?

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Re: [RBW] Re: Riding without fenders on Rivs reviews needed.

[R Shannon]

Joe, your all-rounder is gorgeous. Looks right unfendered. Where in GA are you? 
I am in ATL/Decatur.

Seems like I’ve seen more Riv owners from GA on the list in the past year.

Regards,
Richard

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 20, 2018, at 7:18 PM, Joe Gates  wrote:
> 
> I have fenders for my AllRounder, but seldom use them. As my riding is for 
> fun and fitness and not for commuting, I have the luxury of choosing to not 
> ride in the rain. While riding in the rain can be quite pleasant if the 
> temperature is right, I do not like to be on the roads when motorists have 
> reduced visibility due to the rain. On the country back roads in my part of 
> GA the distracted drivers are dangerous enough without adding the extra 
> challenge of wet roads and rain-soaked windshields. Perhaps I am a bit too 
> cautious, but I am in the risk-management field!  
> 
> Here is a semi-recent photo of my AllRounder free of fenders.  I have since 
> replaced the saddle bag with a BananaSax purchased with my Hail Mary funds. 
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[RBW] Rivendells nicely represented at the Farmer's Daughter Gravel Grinder in Chatham, NY today

[jandrews]

Now that I think about it... I was driving back from from Great Barrington, MA 
to Kingston, NY this afternoon on the Teconic and saw a couple of nice 1x bikes 
covered in mud strapped to the backs of cars.  Bet they were returning from 
Chatham 

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[RBW] Rivendells nicely represented at the Farmer's Daughter Gravel Grinder in Chatham, NY today

[jandrews]

Cool!
Wish I had know about that
Do you know who organized it?
Jason

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[RBW] Rivendells nicely represented at the Farmer's Daughter Gravel Grinder in Chatham, NY today

[Deacon Patrick]

What a great ride!

With abandon,
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[RBW] Rivendells nicely represented at the Farmer's Daughter Gravel Grinder in Chatham, NY today

[Karl]

Sounds like the perfect day

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[RBW] Hanging Edelux 2, tail-light wiring

[Minh]

Hi all,

I picked up a hanging edelux2 recently and it's one of the earlier ones 
that do not support a tail-light direct connected to it--there's no extra 
port.  I know that means i can't wire the tail-light thru the headlight so 
that it turns off/on with the headlight.  But can i still wire the 
tail-light into the hub power and ground IF i'm ok with the headlight 
always being on?  I know there's some risk if the headlight were to fail or 
go-out that i would burn out the tail-light, but is there anything else i'm 
missing with this?

as far as wiring, can i tap into the power lead going from the hub to 
headlight or do i need to run a wire from the tail-light back to the hub?  
thanks for any help, i always like to double-check/confirm when it comes to 
wiring!


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[RBW] Rivendells nicely represented at the Farmer's Daughter Gravel Grinder in Chatham, NY today

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I spotted a double tt Appaloosa, a green Hunq, a fawn-colored Hilsen. 
Honorable mention to a silver Heron. Sorry, no pics, I don't do the smart 
phone thing and it was way too wet and muddy for a camera. The ride, 
sponsored by a local brewer, was spectacular and challenging; a riding 
buddy said the ride narrative was awesome. Sounds maybe a little 
pretentious, but I know what he meant. Incredible vistas, beautiful dirt 
roads, challenging single track, mud, rain, a bit of sun, and moocho 
climbing--advertised as 6,000 feet in 67 miles, something like that. Great 
food, too, and a laid back friendly vibe. A++. I did not have a Rivendell, 
but my at least 10-year old Baggins performed admirably, as did my Riv 
waterbottles and my Newbaum's tape (which will need to be replaced.)

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[RBW] Re: Riding without fenders on Rivs reviews needed.

[lambbo]

Today was Leo's last naked and free romp.  Pic below.  But after 60 miles 
on wet roads this morning my feet were drenched, and I can't imagine all 
the grime coming off the roads in Lyme, CT, where they heavily salt and 
sand into the spring, being good for the drivetrain.   Fenders go on this 
week! 


   



On Saturday, May 19, 2018 at 9:50:03 AM UTC-4, Lum Gim Fong wrote:
>
> From time to time I get the urge to drop the fenders/front rack and just 
> ride, wheels free, with a saddle bag (Banana sax nowadays?)and attach me 
> dino-light onto me front brake assembly.
> I commute 20-30 miles round-trip when I commute. Roads only.
> With wide DT carbonicbike I used to have I could get away with no spray in 
> the face. The DT would block it.
> How do the Rivbikes with skinnier DT fare in the rain? Spray in the face? 
> Or no big deal?
>
>
> I mean, anything heavier than a light rain and I get utterly drenched 
> anyway, even with my correctly, neurotically mounted Honjos and nice J&G 
> rain gear.
> That stuff works great in light rains. But I get soaked to the bone in 
> anything heavier anyway. Sometimes I feel anxious about the risk of 
> rack/fender failures, so I check them  to keep everything snugged up.
> Maybe I will keep the Bleriot the armoured vehicle and the Rambouillet the 
> slimmed down bike and just see how it goes when I get caught on the 
> Rambouillet in the rain.
>
> One thing I love about fenders is I only get hit by falling, clean rain, 
> and not from any nastiness on the road surface. That is a big plus.
>
> Fenderless safety question:
> If a front brake mounted edeluxe  drops onto your unfendered front wheel, 
> will it stop the wheel, or just ride on top of it and not be a danger?
>
> Thanks for your thoughts and experiences.
>
>
>

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[RBW] 57 vs 61 Roadini

[lambbo]

I was on the fence, went with 61 (91PBH, 6'1") and think a 57 would be too 
small.  About 360 comfortable miles on it so far, mostly long stretches at a 
time. 

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[RBW] Re: Extreme Commuting--a checklist ride complete

[Kellie]

The Eastbay Skyline Trail is 
here: 
http://gurmeet.net/hiking/hikes/East_Bay_Skyline_National_Recreation_Trail.html
Gives a lot of info about the trail divided into 4 sections from Wildcat 
Canyon Park in Richmond to Cabot Lake. All DIRT. I haven't ridden all of 
it, but if someone does please give a report. Gives trailheads and places 
to park, water, photos, etc.

On Wednesday, April 25, 2018 at 1:01:11 PM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>
> Back at the very beginning of my Rivendell career, in 2009, I was pretty 
> much strictly a roadie.  My Hillborne and the idea of "country bike" opened 
> up my world in many ways.  One of those ways was the idea of enjoying 
> taking the long way from A-to-B.  Over that first year or so I hatched an 
> idea for my 40-mile commute from El Cerrito to Union City.  Rather than 
> treat it as a hilly road ride with a couple dirt trail detours, I 
> contemplated doing it as a 25 mile mountain bike ride with a few road 
> connectors.  I had most of the route in my head, but there were still 
> several trails that I needed to add but had never ridden.  Now that I have 
> a cool GPS unit, I was able to build my route on RideWithGPS and upload it 
> to my device so I wouldn't get lost and wouldn't have to resort to the map 
> 50 times.  
>
> Anyhow, here's my route, discreetly edited to begin at a starting point 
> close-by but not-too-close to my front door.  RideWithGPS Extreme 
> Commuting 
>
> I did the ride for the first time this morning, which felt like a cool 
> accomplishment, since I'd been thinking about it for several years.  It was 
> ~42 miles and about 4700 feet of climbing, and it was pretty freaking 
> hard.  There were several pitches that my GPS assessed as >20% grade.  
> There were rocky, bumpy, rooty sections that made my BMC Monstercross feel 
> like serious underbiking.  The undeniable highlight is that these mountain 
> bike trails are by definition car-free, and that was delightful.  I might 
> decide to do the SFRandonneurs Marin Mountains 200k as a solo Permanent in 
> May, and this Extreme Commute route is a great training ride for that.  
>
>
> 
>
> This was one of the 20% grades, which is hard to see in the photo.  My 
> four finger salute was to celebrate passing 4,000 ft of climbing at this 
> point.
>
>
> 
>
>
>
>
> So, make a plan, set a goal, see it through and celebrate
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito CA
>
> P.S. One of the reasons I was able to pedal up 20% grades was I just 
> installed my turkey vulture shifter kit from Analog Cycles, which allowed 
> me to run a Deore XT clutch rear derailer with Shimano 10sp indexed barcons 
> (on Thumbies).  I was glad to have a 26x36 low gear.  
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Traditional Cycling Shoes Makers?

[Deacon Patrick]

Follow up, in case anyone is playing “Fixed gear pedal retention” at home. 
Grin.I emailed each of the companies with classic leather cycling shoes and 
only heard back from one (Arturo shoe), and they only go up to size 11.5EE, so 
too small for my flippers.

The ongoing testing of leather and stiffener insert is going surpurb. I’d 
forgotten how quickly non-leather shoes stick up without socks. Sheesh. Whooof. 
One day of riding without socks when already wet from the rain. It’s a special 
kind of nose wrinkle. Like the difference between wool or cotton and 
synthetics. Scrounged up a pair of moccasins from a few years back. They work 
with the inserts, so I’ll try them on tomorrow’s ride. Also, Zero Shoes makes 
the all leather upper shoe I have in size 14 for winter socks fitting, so I can 
always get a pair of those in 12 and use the inserts. One way or another, it 
looks like I’m set!

With stiffer shoes comes the question of pedals. Further testing required, but 
the current default answer there is MKS Sylvan Touring with either HoldFast 
straps (current system: I like them, but they have to be adjusted right or my 
foot goes too far forward and then doesn’t want to come out easily) or toe 
clips (yet to be tested).

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Re: Any new Hilsen news?

[Bob Lovejoy]

Canti-Sam's maybe?  I think the new (MIT) Hilsen's are noted in the new 
catalog but I don't think any schedule or ETA has been announced... though 
life has been crazed and I could have missed it.

That said, I am pretty sure they are a future event...

Bob 

On Sunday, May 20, 2018 at 4:37:55 PM UTC-5, Belopsky wrote:
>
> New ones just arrived a few months back, no?
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Any new Hilsen news?

[Belopsky]

New ones just arrived a few months back, no?

On Sunday, May 20, 2018 at 4:39:03 PM UTC-4, Bob Lovejoy wrote:
>
> It may be awhile before my catalog/brochure tracks me down... For those 
> that do have one in hand, is there anything mentioned on the timing of the 
> new Hilsen's or has anyone heard more?
>
> I assume that they will need to get through the new Atlantis builds and 
> delivery before anything else big happens, and there may be other projects 
> as well, but I would be curious.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bob
> Galesburg, IL
>
>
>

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[RBW] Barsack (sackville) help needed

[Kainalu V.]

I riveted some coroplast in, works great. Ever present bandanna keeps the noise 
down. There's something that'd work better but I didn't have any on hand...
-Kai 
BKNY 

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[RBW] Riding without fenders on Rivs reviews needed.

[LBleriot]

I endorse this plan. I keep the Bleriot fendered and racked for winter grunge, 
but the Ram must run free!  You’ll feel faster and more carefree. I fendered my 
Roadini as my go fast rain bike.

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[RBW] 57 vs 61 Roadini

[LBleriot]

+1.  Call/write to Grant.  I ordered 57 based on my Soma San Marcos sizing and 
Grant called me to switch it to a 54 which fits perfectly.  The geometry is 
unique to that frame.  

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[RBW] Re: 57 vs 61 Roadini

[Dave Grossman]

I'm 6'1".  For Riv refernce, I own a 58cm Hunq with Albatross bars and its 
fits well.  

It sounds like you all believe in sizing up, which I figured would be the 
response.  I will surely contact Riv when I am ready to pull the trigger 
but just wanted to get an opinion from all of you like minded junkies.




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[RBW] Any new Hilsen news?

[Bob Lovejoy]

It may be awhile before my catalog/brochure tracks me down... For those 
that do have one in hand, is there anything mentioned on the timing of the 
new Hilsen's or has anyone heard more?

I assume that they will need to get through the new Atlantis builds and 
delivery before anything else big happens, and there may be other projects 
as well, but I would be curious.

Thanks,

Bob
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[RBW] Re: 57 vs 61 Roadini

[Bob Lovejoy]

+1 to what Patrick says...  I know I prefer a little too large of a frame 
rather than a little too small.  That said, other (younger and racier) 
folks prefer the opposite.   Still, I would be leaning to the 61 though the 
conversation with people at Riv should be really helpful.  If they have a 
demo 61 built, it could be they would set the saddle height, maybe measure 
few other things and send you info and pics? 

There is also a picture of a 57cm Roadini somewhere here...
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/YrobKUozAHk/koR_zTiRAgAJ

It is a 57cm with, I believe was reported, saddle height at 76cm 

Bob



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> Aye, 95% sure you’ll love the 61, but talk with Grant and Co., this is 
> what they do. Grant sized me non-standard (I’m a 90 pbh riding a 62 Hunq 
> and 66 QB) and I love the ride of the larger frames. 
>
> With abandon, 
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Re: [RBW] Traditional Cycling Shoes Makers?

[Deacon Patrick]

Except for the hauling my bike on my shoulder bit, I wasn’t far from looking 
like this guy yesterday, but that’s naught new. Grin. My wife hosed me off 
before she’d let me in. Grin. Oh! How I love the good, sloppy mud!

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Re: [RBW] Barsack (sackville) help needed

[Ray Varella]

Many years ago, I had a similar shaped bag, might have been Kirkland or 
Kirtland, it had a foam liner. 
Sort of like a backpacking pad material. It was white, semi dense closed cell 
foam. 
It held the shape of the bag and dampened the noise of anything bouncing around 
when it was only partially full. 
It was a rectangle that formed into a cylinder when inserted. 

Use a piece of cardboard or coroplast for a template. 
I’m sure something similar could be had at a craft or fabric store. 


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Re: [RBW] Barsack (sackville) help needed

[Patrick Moore]

FWIW, several years ago when I put clips and strap pedals back on both
Rivendell Roads, Tony Colgrave in England sent me 2-3 pr of Brooks saddle
leather leftovers rough-cut into size 10 inserts for my too-flexy boat
shoes. They worked a treat: stiffened and thickened the interface between
foot and pedal, yet didn't become slippery when I rode sans socks. I still
have them, in case I ever go back to clips and straps.

So, if you have an otherwise unwanted Brooks Pro lying around ... (or 2,
since they'd render about 1 insert per saddle)...

On Sun, May 20, 2018 at 1:53 PM, Deacon Patrick  wrote:

> Different application, same idea: I have cut up old Rubbermaid tubs the
> handles broke off of and my wife was happy to see turn into insole
> stiffeners to make minimalist running shoes into stiffish soled cycling
> shoes. Leather layer on top and good to go. Still puzzling out if there is
> a stiffer, yet still thin and light sheet of _ out there, but until
> then, this works great.
>
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[RBW] Barsack (sackville) help needed

[Joe Bernard]

The stiffener ideas should work, but you may end up with a bigger problem: 
noise. Personally I'd rather have the flattish look than listening to keys and 
a patch kit bouncing around against a piece of plastic. 

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[RBW] Re: 57 vs 61 Roadini

[Deacon Patrick]

Aye, 95% sure you’ll love the 61, but talk with Grant and Co., this is what 
they do. Grant sized me non-standard (I’m a 90 pbh riding a 62 Hunq and 66 QB) 
and I love the ride of the larger frames.

With abandon,
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Re: [RBW] Barsack (sackville) help needed

[Deacon Patrick]

Different application, same idea: I have cut up old Rubbermaid tubs the handles 
broke off of and my wife was happy to see turn into insole stiffeners to make 
minimalist running shoes into stiffish soled cycling shoes. Leather layer on 
top and good to go. Still puzzling out if there is a stiffer, yet still thin 
and light sheet of _ out there, but until then, this works great.

With abandon,
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Re: [RBW] Barsack (sackville) help needed

[Patrick Moore]

I've used material cut from old gallon milk jugs for stiffeners for small
items. You can get bigger pieces of flexible but still stiffish plastic
with the very cheapest ring binders from Target and so forth.

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>
> My barsack sags/flattens alot and looks ugly just flopped there in front
> of the bars  and I was wondering what material could be used to form a
> cylinder inside the bag so it could keep its shape and not get all flat
> looking.
>
> Anyone done this?
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[RBW] Barsack (sackville) help needed

[Lum Gim Fong]

Hello,

My barsack sags/flattens alot and looks ugly just flopped there in front of 
the bars  and I was wondering what material could be used to form a 
cylinder inside the bag so it could keep its shape and not get all flat 
looking.

Anyone done this?

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Re: [RBW] Rivendell Reader PDF Archives

[Matt Beecher]

Thanks for doing this.  I started reading them today and enjoyed Grant's 
view into starting a business, with the financial worries that come with 
it.  I've tried being a good customer for a few years and feel a bit guilty 
that I doubt I will buy any big ticket items from him again, now that I 
have a frame and wheelset on the way.  I am, however, interested in what 
future Sackville bags will be created.  I'm not a big fan of saddle bags, 
but the front trunk sacks have been great.  I wish I did not miss the large 
rear trunk sacks, but have managed to find a green one.  

Cheers,
Matt in Oswego, IL

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[RBW] Re: Extreme Commuting--a checklist ride complete

[Matt Beecher]

This has been a fun and interesting read.  When I first started riding in 
my adulthood, I was living in Georgia and commuting to/from the EPA in 
Athens, GA.  I think I went from a 20 minute driving commute to a 30 minute 
riding commute, since I could simply start riding through the quad at UGA.  
I was fortunate then that I had access to showers at work.  I loved and 
miss that job, but gave it up for my wife, who I love far more.  

I am going to be changing positions with my current employer next month, 
going from 80% travel to about 5%-10%.  With that in mind, I am thinking 
about trying for the long commute myself.  Fortunately, 90% of the route is 
on a bike path; the Fox River Trail for those that are interested.  There 
is only one stretch of an uphill ride that scares me in the morning and I 
hope my dual lights keep me safe.  

When I first started working for my employer, I sometimes rode home on 
Friday nights and back on Saturday mornings to get my car.  It is a 34 mile 
one-way ride, so I am planning to drive in Monday and ride home that night, 
then ride back in on Tuesday and drive home Tuesday night, etc.  I've 
already got dynamo and battery lights, panniers, and a couple options for 
fendered commuter bikes (Atlantis, Saluki, '85 Trek 720, and a Boulder 
somethin-or-another).  

I'll have my own office and a decent sized desk, so I will plan to bring 
clothes on Mondays, but I am nervous about how I will smell.  As someone 
born with anosmia, or at least not having a memory of the sense, I am very 
paranoid that I will not sufficiently remove the stink when wiping myself 
down in a bathroom.  Given my friends and family aren't into cycling, I 
have nobody close to ask, but would you expect to stink if you took an old 
facecloth to use to wipe yourself down about 15 minutes after you get in?  
I've heard of using baby wipes as well, but do those work better?  

I'll probably start with riding home on Fridays for a few weeks, then work 
myself up to one to/from commute for a month, then try adding more 
commuting time.  

Matt in Oswego, IL

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[RBW] Re: Extreme Commuting--a checklist ride complete

[Surlyprof]

Kellie,

It’s Piedmont.  From campus I can take 11th up to Taylor and turn right toward 
the hills.  It eventually becomes Mabury.  A left on White later becomes 
Piedmont.  That’s out near Alum Rock Park.  It’ll take you as far as Jacklin 
which you can turn off and keep riding along the east sound wall of 680.  It 
comes to an end at Scott Creek which, unfortunately, you have to take down into 
Fremont traffic (Warm Springs Rd).

I did attempt the hill route I thought I’d figured out the other day.  
Continuing past Scott Creek Road I thought could go up the hills through 
neighborhoods with one potential backyard crossing.  There were hills but I 
never got to them.  I was foiled by a gated community.  I guess no one can go 
in but residents and guests.  Defeated, I had to go back down Scott Creek Rd 
where there are now concrete barriwrs in the bike lane due to construction.  
More nerve racking than usual.  So much for the scenic route.

John 
Still determined to find a scenic route from San Jose to Niles Canyon.

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Re: [RBW] Rivendell Reader PDF Archives

[Surlyprof]

Agreed.  I’ve already marked this as a favorite bookmark on my computer.  So 
fun to read the history of Riv through the articles of the Reader.

Thank you for posting it.

John

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[RBW] Re: 57 vs 61 Roadini

[Bob Lovejoy]

I do not have anything very useful to add but I am also at or around that 
89 pbh number, usually have a 78cm saddle height and have studied (studied 
being a little overstated) the Roadini numbers.  

Like you said, the reach difference, as far as I can tell, is minimal, at 
least workable.  I will say the mid-tube top tube height is ~34.12" (right 
at my theoretical limit) on the 61, which might be fine or maybe not... The 
57cm shows to be ~32.56cm mid top tube (lower than I would like).  Also, I 
believe the Roadini has a relatively high stack, and my very amateurish 
calculations came out as 630mm for the 57, 671mm for the 61.   Someone 
please correct that as needed as I would love to know the true numbers.

Anyway, I am very curious if others report or if you get more information 
from Rivendell!

For now, I have decided to not decide.  I had opted for a Sam (58cm) but 
delays and life timing happened (a house sale and move, then travel) so I 
ended up cancelling that for now.  We shall see...

Let us know of anything you find or hear!

Bob Lovejoy
Galesburg, IL

  

On Sunday, May 20, 2018 at 9:49:45 AM UTC-5, Dave Grossman wrote:
>
> Attention Roadini owners.can I have some feedback
>
> I am debating grabbing a Roadini frameset in the near future to fill the 
> road bike void in my life.  
>
> According to the Riv charts, I am basically at the top end of the 57 and 
> the bottom end of the 61.  I have a 89.5-90ish PBH and generally run a 
> 78-79cm saddle height.  Reach seems to be pretty negligible between the two 
> and I like the idea of running less stem height on the larger frame.  
> However, I don't necessarily want a larger frame for road riding (seems 
> counterproductive) but I have a lousy low back for the permanent future and 
> long and low aint gonna cut it no more.
>
> So those of you that have a Roadini in the larger sizes, tell me what you 
> think.  I will put in a call to the RBW at some point when I am ready to 
> get it going.  I was debating grabbing a BMC Road but I want more stack 
> than those offer.
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[RBW] 57 vs 61 Roadini

[Joe Bernard]

I would just email Grant @ Rivbike.com. It's about a sale you'll eventually 
make so it's not like you're just picking his brain. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: 57 vs 61 Roadini

[James Warren]

Because the customs have a top tube that slopes about 2 degrees, and the 
Roadinis have a top tube that slopes up 6 degrees (what Riv called the Expanded 
geometry.) It’s a different sizing strategy.

My experience with the expanded versus classic Riv geometry is that my expanded 
frames tend to feel like a classic frame whose seat tube is about 3 cm larger.

-Jim W.


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> 
> I have a 89.2cm PBH and am 6ft. When I ordered a Riv custom road, Grant put 
> me on a 61.5cm frame. I can't imagine why you would ride a 57.
> 
> Joe in GJT
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[RBW] Re: 57 vs 61 Roadini

['Mojo' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I have a 89.2cm PBH and am 6ft. When I ordered a Riv custom road, Grant put me 
on a 61.5cm frame. I can't imagine why you would ride a 57.

Joe in GJT

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[RBW] Re: 57 vs 61 Roadini

[iamkeith]

How tall are you overall?  From pbh/sh measurements, it sure seems like the 
bigger one is correct.  I wouldn't think you'd be at risk of being too 
stretched out unless you're 6' or less. 

(I'm extrapolating from experience with other frames, though - not Roadini.)  

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[RBW] Re: 57 vs 61 Roadini

[Lester Lammers]

*I* would go for the larger frame for long term comfort and confirm the 
size with Riv.

On Sunday, May 20, 2018 at 10:49:45 AM UTC-4, Dave Grossman wrote:
>
> Attention Roadini owners.can I have some feedback
>
> I am debating grabbing a Roadini frameset in the near future to fill the 
> road bike void in my life.  
>
> According to the Riv charts, I am basically at the top end of the 57 and 
> the bottom end of the 61.  I have a 89.5-90ish PBH and generally run a 
> 78-79cm saddle height.  Reach seems to be pretty negligible between the two 
> and I like the idea of running less stem height on the larger frame.  
> However, I don't necessarily want a larger frame for road riding (seems 
> counterproductive) but *I have a lousy low back for the permanent future 
> and long and low aint gonna cut it no more.*
>
> So those of you that have a Roadini in the larger sizes, tell me what you 
> think.  I will put in a call to the RBW at some point when I am ready to 
> get it going.  I was debating grabbing a BMC Road but I want more stack 
> than those offer.
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Riding without fenders on Rivs reviews needed.

[Peter Andrews]

... and thank you!

On Sun, May 20, 2018 at 7:54 AM Peter Andrews 
wrote:

> Hi Max,
>
> This is a 60cm Bomba, seat height is 80cm, crank length 175 (I’m 6’3”).
>
> -Peter
> Oakland Bomba-Commuter
>
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>
>> That’s a great looking set up! What size Bomba is it, if you don’t mind
>> me asking, and what is the seat height?
>>
>> - Max “which Riv fits the Big Ones best?” in A2
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Re: [RBW] Re: Riding without fenders on Rivs reviews needed.

[Peter Andrews]

Hi Max,

This is a 60cm Bomba, seat height is 80cm, crank length 175 (I’m 6’3”).

-Peter
Oakland Bomba-Commuter

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> asking, and what is the seat height?
>
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[RBW] 57 vs 61 Roadini

[Dave Grossman]

Attention Roadini owners.can I have some feedback

I am debating grabbing a Roadini frameset in the near future to fill the 
road bike void in my life.  

According to the Riv charts, I am basically at the top end of the 57 and 
the bottom end of the 61.  I have a 89.5-90ish PBH and generally run a 
78-79cm saddle height.  Reach seems to be pretty negligible between the two 
and I like the idea of running less stem height on the larger frame.  
However, I don't necessarily want a larger frame for road riding (seems 
counterproductive) but I have a lousy low back for the permanent future and 
long and low aint gonna cut it no more.

So those of you that have a Roadini in the larger sizes, tell me what you 
think.  I will put in a call to the RBW at some point when I am ready to 
get it going.  I was debating grabbing a BMC Road but I want more stack 
than those offer.

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[RBW] RIV Catalog Arrived

[Matt Beecher]

Thanks!  I have 2 orders coming in though, so I am hoping I'll get one soon.  
Can I get back to you next week?

Best regards,
Matt in Oswego, IL

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[RBW] RIV Catalog Arrived

[Conway Bennett]

Matt,

I received my Hail Mary catalogue then another with an order.  You can have my 
extra.

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Re: [RBW] Billie Bar initial review

[Lester Lammers]

Great write up Adam. I may try them flipped to see if my 'forearms on the 
bars' power cruising theory has merit.


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[RBW] Re: Riding without fenders on Rivs reviews needed.

[Max S]

That’s a great looking set up! What size Bomba is it, if you don’t mind me 
asking, and what is the seat height? 

- Max “which Riv fits the Big Ones best?” in A2

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