[RBW] Re: Ride Report--La Ruta Loca 200k

[Deacon Patrick]

Fantastic, Bill! A delight to read. Thank you.

“the solemn SFR oath promising "not to do stupid stuff." Well, I’m ruled out. 
It would seem taking the oath breaks the oath? Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Climbing technique tips?

[Birdman]

It sure does, Patrick. I love knowing that there’s so much wisdom, experience, 
and good will to go around here.

Thanks for chiming in y’all. I’ll put your tips to good use and look forward to 
experimenting with weight distribution on my next big trip.

Cheers,

Isaac
PDX 

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[RBW] Re: PSA: all rounder near chicago

[Joe Bernard]

Dang, look at that thing. Did anyone ever ride it??

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[RBW] Re: My new Sam is complete!

[Karl]

Great Build! Love the color!

Karl


On Sunday, June 10, 2018 at 11:48:30 AM UTC-5, d2mini wrote:
> Well, pretty much. haha
> Here's a little Sunday afternoon bike porn. :)
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/FeRHJz2RMefnKe9RA
> 
> 
> 
> Used a few older parts, and picked up several new parts as well.
> Not sure how well it will wear over time, but this Serfas cloth bar tape is 
> pretty nice. Has a little bit of padding too it and the fabric is nice and 
> soft feeling.
> And it's wrapping around a brand new Albastache bar which is a first for me. 
> Have had the moustache bars before and they were ok but so far I really like 
> these.
> 
> 
> It is a bit stripped down at the moment. I'll be adding a copper bottle cage, 
> possibly a frame pump... and for now it's a fair weather rider so no fenders 
> or racks at this time.
> 
> 
> Rides awesome! Super smooth. :)
> This is my third Riv build now and once again, not disappointed.

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[RBW] Re: Ride Report--La Ruta Loca 200k

[Benz, Sunnyvale, CA]

Bravo Bill! I felt tired from merely reading your account! Reminiscing 
about my college days when we tackled some of the 'Tam trails on La Ruta 
Loca 200k weekly (no rangers with radar back then), I can only imagine what 
an epic ride must have been! And yes, of course it's a downhill century 
from the top of Mt Tam. Thanks for the ride report!

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[RBW] Climbing technique tips?

[Deacon Patrick]

These may have been mentioned and I missed them, but this group writes a lot in 
four days! Grin.

1. Balanced loads between left and right side matter greatly.
2. Experiment with lighter loads and front/rear balance. Ride for five minutes. 
Swap things around. Ride for five minutes. You’ll learn a lot.
3. Ride with a lighter load, and slowly increase, using the five minute ride 
test. Handling will start to get squirly at a certain point. That becomes your 
base weight, and as you learn and hone and tweek your loading and riding 
skills, it may increase.

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Climbing technique tips?

[Christopher Murray]

You might want to try staying out of your lowest (easiest) gears. I find at 
very low speeds a loaded bike can be difficult to keep straight. 

Chris

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[RBW] Low/No Carb Electrolyte?

[Fullylugged]

Propel comes in packets that make a bottle each.  I sweat heavily and lose salt 
so I add 1/2 tsp per bottle. Salt packets from Fast food places are good for 
saddle bag storage for later use.  MioFit is a concentrate that squirts into 
water bottles and is good also.  Pre-packaged, my favorite is Power Options. 
All are zero carbs and provde electrolytes.

Eating bananas on the route is good too, 

taiwlinds!

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[RBW] Low/No Carb Electrolyte?

[Christopher Cote]

I make my own with 1/4tsp each of salt and potassium chloride (No Salt brand) 
and just enough lemon juice to make it palatable in a 22oz bike bottle. It's 
basically the WHO ORS recipe without the sugar. I'm no nutritionist, but it 
seems to work.

Chris

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[RBW] Re: 56cm MIT Atlantis

[d2mini]

Beautiful bike. I'll always be fond of the Atlantis, as it was my first. 
Rivendell, that is. ;)
Congrats!


On Sunday, June 10, 2018 at 4:33:38 PM UTC-5, Matt Beecher wrote:
>
> I have not had a chance to ride it yet, so I might adjust the handlebar or 
> saddle height, but I look forward to putting this into commuter duty 
> starting on Friday.  Most of the parts were pulled from my parts bin. 
>  Fenders should arrive on a Tuesday and I plan to add a rear dynamo fender 
> light. 
>
> Matt in Oswego, IL
>
>

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[RBW] My new Sam is complete!

[Deacon Patrick]

R2D2 (no name, so you get mocked. Grin.),
Delightful build! I love the tuxedo Sam, and those prime sylvan touring pedals 
in copper realy shine! May you have many happy miles together, and may it not 
always be so clean! Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Ride Report--La Ruta Loca 200k

[Bob Ehrenbeck]

Wow -- nice job! Great read, too, and if that music video ever gets completed, 
I'd love to see it.

Bob E

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[RBW] My new Sam is complete!

[Bob Ehrenbeck]

Beautiful build!

Bob E

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[RBW] Bikepacking the Smokey Mountains of the Colorado Rockies

[Deacon Patrick]

In which I ride through nearly every ecosystem Colorado has, wonder if I’m in 
the Smokey Mountains instead, encounter deer, bear, wild ass, pronghorn 
antelope, heard elk, and if my cloths got dirty I had plenty of washboard to 
scrub them clean. Grin.
https://thegrid.ai/withabandon/fixed-gear-bikepacking-the-colorado-rockies

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Re: 56cm MIT Atlantis

['Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Nice bike!! I can't wait to hear a ride report. 




On Sunday, June 10, 2018 at 4:33:38 PM UTC-5, Matt Beecher wrote:
>
> I have not had a chance to ride it yet, so I might adjust the handlebar or 
> saddle height, but I look forward to putting this into commuter duty 
> starting on Friday.  Most of the parts were pulled from my parts bin. 
>  Fenders should arrive on a Tuesday and I plan to add a rear dynamo fender 
> light. 
>
> Matt in Oswego, IL
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Low/No Carb Electrolyte?

[Rusty Click]

Plus one on the Nuun product...and I'm currently using the 'new' formula. 
 I've also used a product called "Zipfizz" sold at Costco and/or online. 
 Electrolytes plus lots of B vitamins.

On Sunday, June 10, 2018 at 6:35:57 PM UTC-4, dstein wrote:
>
> Looks like they did change it, these are the ones I've been using: 
> https://www.amazon.com/Nuun-Formula-Electrolyte-Enhanced-Citrus/dp/B001QW1L72
>
> On Sunday, June 10, 2018 at 3:35:01 PM UTC-7, dstein wrote:
>>
>> I like these: https://nuunlife.com/products/nuun-electrolytes/
>>
>> Looks like this contains 1g of sugar (which is news to me, i thought it 
>> was zero, maybe they changed their formula recently)? All the rest of these 
>> things have sugar, cane sugar, stevia and/or caffeine (which I prefer to do 
>> without).
>>
>> On Saturday, June 9, 2018 at 12:16:33 PM UTC-7, Pondero wrote:
>>>
>>> There is a lot of sweating going on recently, and I'm wondering if 
>>> anyone can recommend an electrolyte replacement strategy without sugar.  I 
>>> sense that long summer rides go better when I use Gatorade with water (not 
>>> water alone).  But I'd like to avoid the sugar/carbs.  Will any salty food 
>>> do the trick?  Or is there a better way?  Suggestions?
>>>
>>> Chris Johnson
>>> Sanger, Texas
>>>
>>

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[RBW] FS: Brooks C15 Cambium carved all weather saddle.

[Lum Gim Fong]

Yes
Hidef pics sent
Enjoy!

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[RBW] Re: Low/No Carb Electrolyte?

[dstein]

Looks like they did change it, these are the ones I've been 
using: 
https://www.amazon.com/Nuun-Formula-Electrolyte-Enhanced-Citrus/dp/B001QW1L72

On Sunday, June 10, 2018 at 3:35:01 PM UTC-7, dstein wrote:
>
> I like these: https://nuunlife.com/products/nuun-electrolytes/
>
> Looks like this contains 1g of sugar (which is news to me, i thought it 
> was zero, maybe they changed their formula recently)? All the rest of these 
> things have sugar, cane sugar, stevia and/or caffeine (which I prefer to do 
> without).
>
> On Saturday, June 9, 2018 at 12:16:33 PM UTC-7, Pondero wrote:
>>
>> There is a lot of sweating going on recently, and I'm wondering if anyone 
>> can recommend an electrolyte replacement strategy without sugar.  I sense 
>> that long summer rides go better when I use Gatorade with water (not water 
>> alone).  But I'd like to avoid the sugar/carbs.  Will any salty food do the 
>> trick?  Or is there a better way?  Suggestions?
>>
>> Chris Johnson
>> Sanger, Texas
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Low/No Carb Electrolyte?

[dstein]

I like these: https://nuunlife.com/products/nuun-electrolytes/

Looks like this contains 1g of sugar (which is news to me, i thought it was 
zero, maybe they changed their formula recently)? All the rest of these 
things have sugar, cane sugar, stevia and/or caffeine (which I prefer to do 
without).

On Saturday, June 9, 2018 at 12:16:33 PM UTC-7, Pondero wrote:
>
> There is a lot of sweating going on recently, and I'm wondering if anyone 
> can recommend an electrolyte replacement strategy without sugar.  I sense 
> that long summer rides go better when I use Gatorade with water (not water 
> alone).  But I'd like to avoid the sugar/carbs.  Will any salty food do the 
> trick?  Or is there a better way?  Suggestions?
>
> Chris Johnson
> Sanger, Texas
>

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Re: [RBW] My new Sam is complete!

[Tim Bantham]

Great look By build! I love the attention to detail. Just today I also 
installed Albastache bars. A first for me as well. This is the fourth version 
of my Sam. Maybe that’s what I like most about it!

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[RBW] Re: Low/No Carb Electrolyte?

[Pondero]

Thanks, Grant.  I've got the book, and have been refreshing myself with 
other parts of it lately.  I'll look at these pages also.  I like V8 better 
than Gatorade anyway, so I like the direction this is heading.

Chris Johnson
Sanger, Texas


On Sunday, June 10, 2018 at 9:29:21 AM UTC-5, Grant @ Rivendell wrote:
>
> p 83/84 of Just Ride -- a chapter harshly titled "Electrolytes for 
> Cheapskates and Dummies" suggests (detail not included here so I don't have 
> to type as much)--but basically, heavily diluted OJ + salt...or V-8/tomato 
> juice as it is (not the unsalted kind) , or coconut water/milk with salt. 
> None of these taste like liquid candy, unfortunately, but if the goal is 
> replacing salt and potassium (the main electrolytes lost  in sweat, the two 
> you need to "worry" about more than the other few), they will do it.
>
> On Saturday, June 9, 2018 at 12:16:33 PM UTC-7, Pondero wrote:
>>
>> There is a lot of sweating going on recently, and I'm wondering if anyone 
>> can recommend an electrolyte replacement strategy without sugar.  I sense 
>> that long summer rides go better when I use Gatorade with water (not water 
>> alone).  But I'd like to avoid the sugar/carbs.  Will any salty food do the 
>> trick?  Or is there a better way?  Suggestions?
>>
>> Chris Johnson
>> Sanger, Texas
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: 56cm MIT Atlantis

[Lester Lammers]

Looks great. My 53cm frame arrives tomorrow.


>

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[RBW] FS: Brooks C15 Cambium carved all weather saddle.

[Andrew Huston]

I attempted a PM, did you get it?

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[RBW] Ride Report--La Ruta Loca 200k

[Tim O. (Portland, OR)]

This is really neat, Bill! Thanks for such a detailed report. Sounds like a 
burly ride. It make me want to try out some do some rando rides myself!

Cheers,
Tim

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Re: [RBW] My new Sam is complete!

[Eric Karnes]

Agreed. Very nice work. I saw one of these black Hillbornes in person the 
other day. And it was a stunner.

Eric


On Sunday, June 10, 2018 at 3:48:33 PM UTC-4, Michael Hechmer wrote:
>
> Yea, me too.  Foe years Rbwers? Rivendellians? avoided black like a 
> cultural taboo and now, you have made it look Kool.  Thanks.
>
> Michael
>
> On Sunday, June 10, 2018 at 3:37:41 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> I thought I liked the original green, but I have to say that this black 
>> and cream color is very nice, too.
>>
>> On Sun, Jun 10, 2018 at 10:48 AM, d2mini  wrote:
>>
>>> Well, pretty much. haha
>>> Here's a little Sunday afternoon bike porn. :)
>>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/FeRHJz2RMefnKe9RA
>>>
>>> Used a few older parts, and picked up several new parts as well.
>>> Not sure how well it will wear over time, but this Serfas cloth bar tape 
>>> is pretty nice. Has a little bit of padding too it and the fabric is nice 
>>> and soft feeling.
>>> And it's wrapping around a brand new Albastache bar which is a first for 
>>> me. Have had the moustache bars before and they were ok but so far I really 
>>> like these.
>>>
>>> It is a bit stripped down at the moment. I'll be adding a copper bottle 
>>> cage, possibly a frame pump... and for now it's a fair weather rider so no 
>>> fenders or racks at this time.
>>>
>>> Rides awesome! Super smooth. :)
>>> This is my third Riv build now and once again, not disappointed.
>>>
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Re: [RBW] My new Sam is complete!

[Michael Hechmer]

Yea, me too.  Foe years Rbwers? Rivendellians? avoided black like a 
cultural taboo and now, you have made it look Kool.  Thanks.

Michael

On Sunday, June 10, 2018 at 3:37:41 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> I thought I liked the original green, but I have to say that this black 
> and cream color is very nice, too.
>
> On Sun, Jun 10, 2018 at 10:48 AM, d2mini 
> > wrote:
>
>> Well, pretty much. haha
>> Here's a little Sunday afternoon bike porn. :)
>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/FeRHJz2RMefnKe9RA
>>
>> Used a few older parts, and picked up several new parts as well.
>> Not sure how well it will wear over time, but this Serfas cloth bar tape 
>> is pretty nice. Has a little bit of padding too it and the fabric is nice 
>> and soft feeling.
>> And it's wrapping around a brand new Albastache bar which is a first for 
>> me. Have had the moustache bars before and they were ok but so far I really 
>> like these.
>>
>> It is a bit stripped down at the moment. I'll be adding a copper bottle 
>> cage, possibly a frame pump... and for now it's a fair weather rider so no 
>> fenders or racks at this time.
>>
>> Rides awesome! Super smooth. :)
>> This is my third Riv build now and once again, not disappointed.
>>
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Re: [RBW] My new Sam is complete!

[Patrick Moore]

I thought I liked the original green, but I have to say that this black and
cream color is very nice, too.

On Sun, Jun 10, 2018 at 10:48 AM, d2mini  wrote:

> Well, pretty much. haha
> Here's a little Sunday afternoon bike porn. :)
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/FeRHJz2RMefnKe9RA
>
> Used a few older parts, and picked up several new parts as well.
> Not sure how well it will wear over time, but this Serfas cloth bar tape
> is pretty nice. Has a little bit of padding too it and the fabric is nice
> and soft feeling.
> And it's wrapping around a brand new Albastache bar which is a first for
> me. Have had the moustache bars before and they were ok but so far I really
> like these.
>
> It is a bit stripped down at the moment. I'll be adding a copper bottle
> cage, possibly a frame pump... and for now it's a fair weather rider so no
> fenders or racks at this time.
>
> Rides awesome! Super smooth. :)
> This is my third Riv build now and once again, not disappointed.
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[RBW] Re: Low/No Carb Electrolyte?

[Evan E.]

I, too, drink coconut water for potassium. As for salt, I just sprinkle a 
generous amount of salt on the two boiled eggs that I eat in the morning 
before a ride. That might suffice? Then again, near the end of a hot and 
steep ride a few weeks ago, when both of my hamstring muscles cramped at 
the same time, I pulled off the road, fished a salt packet out of my 
Saddlesack (yep, a small paper packet from a fast-food restaurant), and 
poured the salt down my gullet. The cramps stopped in ten seconds. 
Psychosomatic? Maybe! But that direct hit of ordinary table salt did the 
trick.


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[RBW] Re: My new Sam is complete!

[d2mini]

Thank you. :)
I love the pedals. Goes well with the copper rails and studs on the brooks 
saddle.
The copper bottle gauge will match nicely. I did find some metallic copper 
twine that I thought would look great on the bars instead of the plain 
hemp. But that was a big fail and I promptly removed it. Too gaudy! 
I thought it was such a good idea, too. lol Oh well.


On Sunday, June 10, 2018 at 12:27:50 PM UTC-5, Joe Bernard wrote:
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> That's sooo pretty. The cream tires and Albastache on a black frame give 
> it kind of a path racer vibe. Copper pedals! I gotta get me a set. 

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[RBW] Re: My new Sam is complete!

[d2mini]

LOL, yup! Some stuff I was picking up whatever I could find at a decent 
price and it all works well. It's a 10 spd cassette. And the bar ends are 
friction.

Thanks! :)


On Sunday, June 10, 2018 at 12:11:37 PM UTC-5, Austin B. wrote:
>
> That's a beaut! Like the copper highlights--they complement the black 
> really nicely. So the 11-speed 105 RD takes a 9-speed cassette + bar ends 
> just fine? I never would've thought to try that combo.
>
> And nice camera work with the wide-open aperture to blur the fore & 
> background. 
>
> -Austin
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[RBW] My new Sam is complete!

[Joe Bernard]

That's sooo pretty. The cream tires and Albastache on a black frame give it 
kind of a path racer vibe. Copper pedals! I gotta get me a set. 

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[RBW] Re: Low-Normal rear derailleurs... R.I.P.?

[RichS]

If you want to drop down to a 7 speed cassette, SRAM has a 12-32 that I use 
with a spacer on a Shimano 105 hub. 

Regards,
Richard

On Thursday, June 7, 2018 at 9:39:45 AM UTC-4, d2mini wrote:
>
> I just finished up my new Sam build and bought a new RD for it without 
> even thinking about it. Now shifting it with my bar-ends feels all wrong 
> since it's opposite of what I was used to.
> Previously with my shimano XT, I would pull up on the lever as I gained 
> speed on the flats, and if I came to a hill it was an easy push down to 
> drop into easier gears.
> Now its the opposite and just feels WRONG! lol
>
> They don't specify, but the deore model on the Riv site is Top-Normal if 
> I'm not mistaken. 
> Google isn't turning up much but a bunch of threads from like 5 years ago 
> about people already having trouble finding Low-Normal or Rapid Rise RD's.
> I did find a NOS one on ebay. 
>
> So is it just me? Anyone else with this issue? Do I just need to get over 
> it? lol
> Or if anyone can point me towards a model that's still available, I'd 
> appreciate it.
>
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[RBW] Re: My new Sam is complete!

[Austin B.]

That's a beaut! Like the copper highlights--they complement the black 
really nicely. So the 11-speed 105 RD takes a 9-speed cassette + bar ends 
just fine? I never would've thought to try that combo.

And nice camera work with the wide-open aperture to blur the fore & 
background. 

-Austin

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[RBW] My new Sam is complete!

[Bill Schairer]

Nice bike!  Nice photos!!

Bill

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[RBW] My new Sam is complete!

[d2mini]

Well, pretty much. haha
Here's a little Sunday afternoon bike porn. :)
https://photos.app.goo.gl/FeRHJz2RMefnKe9RA

Used a few older parts, and picked up several new parts as well.
Not sure how well it will wear over time, but this Serfas cloth bar tape is 
pretty nice. Has a little bit of padding too it and the fabric is nice and 
soft feeling.
And it's wrapping around a brand new Albastache bar which is a first for 
me. Have had the moustache bars before and they were ok but so far I really 
like these.

It is a bit stripped down at the moment. I'll be adding a copper bottle 
cage, possibly a frame pump... and for now it's a fair weather rider so no 
fenders or racks at this time.

Rides awesome! Super smooth. :)
This is my third Riv build now and once again, not disappointed.


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[RBW] Ride Report--La Ruta Loca 200k

[Bill Lindsay]

Last Fall I did the Marin Mountains 200k and speculated that it might be 
the hardest 200k brevet the RUSA catalog.  Yesterday, San Francisco 
Randonneurs hosted La Ruta Loca, and the route owner Carlos (#4841) is 
pretty certain this course is harder. It was definitely a monster. "The 
Crazy Route" was crazy hard, and crazy fun. The main stats are: 125.3 
miles, ~50 miles of dirt, and 13,051ft of climbing. Here's my Ride with gps 
data:  https://ridewithgps.com/trips/24131333


The weather report called for ideal temperatures, low 50s in the early 
morning, slight general overcast and not many spots even approaching 75 
degrees.  According to Rob Hawks, 25 riders gathered in the dense fog at 
Crissy Field East Beach.  The pavement was very wet, like after a hard 
rain. It was only fog, and there were times during the ride where I wished 
the fog would come back. The only threatening part of the weather report 
called for strong winds from the Northwest. I went with El Cerrito High 
School racing kit, along with matching arm warmers, a reflective vest and 
that's all. I was chilly to start but it worked out perfectly. The 
armwarmers didn't come off until I was back in my van after the finish.



I was trying to travel light as I wasn't bringing a lot of bag-space on my 
Black Mountain Monster Cross. The bike's nickname alternates between Green 
Meanie and Mean Greenie. I ran a 2x10 drivetrain, 42/26 in front, 11-36 in 
back. My 700x43 Bruce Gordon Rock and Roads were about 'average' for the 
tires I saw people running. Some of the bikes present were classic 
rando-machines with Hetres or similar. Some were fully contemporary 'all 
road' bikes with 27.5" Thunder Burts.  I only saw one flat bar mountain 
bike, but now that I've done the route, I wouldn't hesitate to bring a 
light XC mountain bike. At about 5:50AM we gathered for a pre-ride chat, 
and the solemn SFR oath promising "not to do stupid stuff". At 6AM sharp we 
were off towards the Golden Gate Bridge heading North into Marin County.


Unlike most other SFR routes, we didn't have to meander all willy nilly 
through Sausalito, Mill Valley, Ross and the other southern Marin towns. 
Instead we got right off the bridge and headed straight up into the Marin 
headlands and got off-road immediately. The ride ended up being three 
distinct sections. Section 1 was an epic 50 mile mountain bike ride, 
punctuated with just a few paved connectors. Section 2 would be a basically 
flat road ride punctuated by a few gravel stretches. Section 3 would be 
another 30 mile mountain bike ride up and over Mount Tam. The first big 
dirt climb was Miwok Trail, which started to sort people out, especially on 
the descent of Old Springs. There was a broad array of offroad descending 
skills on display. Some would bomb the descents 'full-send', while others 
were quite timid. I landed somewhere in the middle. Throughout the day, I 
would notice tight corners on a soft trail where a skid mark went straight 
when the trail curved. The clear indication was that this was caused by a 
rider who brought too much speed and not enough tire into that corner. The 
clear message was that there was not going to be much long-term grouping up 
of riders. It's hard to match skills exactly, and since this course was 
going to be hard to finish within the 13:30 limit, waiting around was not a 
smart option. I briefly latched on to a strong group up the steep technical 
Deer Park climb, led out by Paul on a cyclocross race bike. I let them pace 
me up the climb, but gathered pretty quickly that this would be the lead 
group, and I would let them go after a while to 'do my own ride' and 
conserve my energy. I could tell Paul was serious when he indicated he 
saved weight by only filling one full water bottle at the start because he 
planned to stop for water at the Pan Toll Ranger Station at the top of Deer 
Park. While he did that, I had plenty and went ahead. He passed me shortly 
after that on the road climb to the tippy top of Mount Tam and I wouldn't 
see him again. That long climb included some paved riding up Pan Toll and 
Ridgecrest, but quickly got onto the Lagunitas-RockSprings trail and hit 
the highest elevation of the day, about 2200 feet. It felt good to be done 
with the longest steady individual climb and to be at the high point of the 
route at mile 23. It was just a down-hill century remaining, right?  
RIGHT?  


The Lagunitas-Rock Springs descent is steep and loose and dangerous. It's 
not a descent you use to rest and recover. You have to be on high alert to 
keep yourself safe. This is the area where disc brakes would have been 
most-appropriate, but my CX70 cantilevers did fine. I'd been on this trail 
a few times before so it was not as frightening as the first time I did it. 
The route dropped down to Lake Lagunitas and meandered 

[RBW] quality of bike photos on Riv website

[Jon Dukeman,central Colorado]

I gave up on posting pics on this site because my pics post upside down. 
No one looks at those pics.
It doesn't happen on any other site.
Jon

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[RBW] Re: Low/No Carb Electrolyte?

[Grant @ Rivendell]

p 83/84 of Just Ride -- a chapter harshly titled "Electrolytes for 
Cheapskates and Dummies" suggests (detail not included here so I don't have 
to type as much)--but basically, heavily diluted OJ + salt...or V-8/tomato 
juice as it is (not the unsalted kind) , or coconut water/milk with salt. 
None of these taste like liquid candy, unfortunately, but if the goal is 
replacing salt and potassium (the main electrolytes lost  in sweat, the two 
you need to "worry" about more than the other few), they will do it.

On Saturday, June 9, 2018 at 12:16:33 PM UTC-7, Pondero wrote:
>
> There is a lot of sweating going on recently, and I'm wondering if anyone 
> can recommend an electrolyte replacement strategy without sugar.  I sense 
> that long summer rides go better when I use Gatorade with water (not water 
> alone).  But I'd like to avoid the sugar/carbs.  Will any salty food do the 
> trick?  Or is there a better way?  Suggestions?
>
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[RBW] Re: Keto Rivendell Commutes and 2 questions

[Deacon Patrick]

That’s the simple version of it. People who have experimented a bit with it see 
that once they have an aerobic base built up (you’ll know when you do) that the 
decline of age lessens rather than being linear. There are also downward 
adjustments for condition and health when starting out, as well as if you’ve 
been “chronic cardio,” likely without realizing it.

With abandon,
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[RBW] Low/No Carb Electrolyte?

[Deacon Patrick]

If you go with pickle juice or saurkraut juice, get the fermented kind (the way 
it used to be made) rather than the vinegar. Far tastier and mare bits and bobs 
in it.

With abandon,
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Re: [RBW] Re: Low-Normal rear derailleurs... R.I.P.?

[Steve Palincsar]

On 06/07/2018 05:24 PM, Bill Lindsay wrote:



 Top quality 8-speed cassettes are long gone, just like top quality 
6-speed freewheels.




Not quite, although for a while it sure did look that way.

The only 8 speed cassette whose demise I jpersonally mourned, the 12-32, 
is back from SunRace.  Sure, it's not built like the old XTR, so in that 
sense it's not "top quality," but it's chrome, the ratios are right, and 
it works perfectly well.  And, all it takes to make it into a very nice 
13-32 is to replace the 1st position 12 with a 1st position 13.


Also, IRD has several 8 speed cassettes:

12-23 12/13/14/15/17/19/21/23

12-25 12/13/14/17/19/21/23/25

12-28 12/13/14/16/18/20/24/28

12-32 12/14/16/18/20/24/28/32

12-34 12/13/15/18/21/24/28/34

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Alexandria, Virginia
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[RBW] Re: 650B Roadini build

[Lester Lammers]

Very nice. Great balance between comfort and performance.

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[RBW] Re: WTB: French Freewheel

[Ron Mc]

would like to see photos of the bike

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