[RBW] Millionaire baseball player rides classic bike

[Ben Miller]

Ben Zoborist, one of the best players in baseball, rides a classic looking 
steel-framed, fendered, and light-mounted bike to baseball games. Also features 
sweptback bars and upright position. Note lack of helmet, only baseball cap. 

https://www.mlb.com/cut4/ben-zobrist-rides-bike-around-chicago-to-wrigley-field/c-294846296

Maybe he's read some of Grant's literature? Great a multi-millioniare sports 
icon ride a bike to a game instead of being driven in a Bentley. I know LeBron 
said some excellent things about bikes and rides alot too. Bonus that both of 
them take a "Just Ride" mentality to it and not suggesting that you need 
carbon/Lycra to ride a bike. Hopefully it inspires!

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[RBW] Film photography - subject matter?

[William deRosset]

That Leica will strongly encourage an "f/8 and be there" approach. I find I do 
a far better job framing a photo with a viewfinder, and my eyes have gotten bad 
enough that the RF spot is far more accurate than a ground glass. If you wear 
corrective lenses, the iiic is far friendlier to them than an M2 or M3, which 
have a metal surround for the viewfinder. 

The iiic is also about the right size for a handlebar bag camera. I may 
actually supplement mine with an XA if I can find one in decent condition

Enjoy.

Cheers,

Will
William M deRosset
Fort Collins CO USA

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[RBW] A gravel jaunt on the Quickbeam

[Tully Lanter]

You can't ask for better weather than late September in the Northwest. 
Unless warm, dry, and sunny isn't your cup of tea. So, with my Quickbeam 
apparently not on the verge of selling, how better to enjoy a beautiful 
afternoon than to take it on a longer, gravelly-er ride than usual? 

We live near a beautiful path that follows a utilities right-of-way a few 
miles before connecting with the similar but far longer Tolt Pipeline 
Trail. The road crossings are relatively few but, like most east-west 
routes in the Seattle area, the climbs are remarkably steep! 

Here are a few hasty photos and notes 
 from the ride. 

The Quickbeam was a delight, and even more enjoyable than I expected on 
this sort of ride. Quite a revelation to enjoy it without my usual 
commuting load. The VO Porteur bars--necessary for a comfortable city 
riding position--were too relaxed. I found myself mostly on the curves, 
wishing for a bit more reach, even though I appreciated their height during 
the steep, twisty descents (not pictured since they're not conducive to 
stopping mid-way!). I'll revert Noodle bars with a taller stem to try to 
split the different. 

More tire clearance would have been nice, less for smoothness (not that I'd 
object!) than for traction on steep, loose segments. Toe overlap also 
becomes a problem during the twistier portions, especially uphill. Removing 
the fenders would help, but they're necessary during most of the year here. 
All the more so on a bike that serves first and foremost as a commuter. I 
haven't yet decided what to replace the Quickbeam with, but does seem like 
a longer 650b frame, or even 26" (if available for an ~86cm PBH), would 
suit me well.

Anyhow, I plan to extend this ride significantly next weekend, and perhaps 
catch a few photos of the gorgeous forests a few miles (and a thousand feet 
of climbing) past where I ended. Not a bad little corner of the world!

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[RBW] Re:

[dougP]

The bike industry doesn't need more Jays.  They tend to buy one bike & use 
it for everything.  What the bike industry wants is more riders who'll buy 
more specialized bikes until they have their garage or basement full of 
racing, MTB, touring, & maybe a practical bike or two.  When I bought a MTB 
in 1990, they were all quite similar, regardless of mfg.  Last year I 
bought a new one & was overwhelmed with choices, so much so that I enlisted 
help from friends who keep up with that scene.  Fortunately they guided me 
to something useful that served my fairly undemanding needs and didn't cost 
a fortune.  

dougP

On Monday, September 24, 2018 at 5:00:03 PM UTC-7, Curtis wrote:
>
> Hello Group,
>
> I found this refreshingly interesting.
>
>
> https://www.bicycling.com/culture/amp22824169/the-riders-who-dont-fit-in-are-the-ones-we-need-most/
>
> Curtis "who feels like he fits in here"
>

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[RBW] Re: FS - 58 cm Joe Appaloosa, Silver, Frame-Fork-HS-BB-Seatpost

[Mike Godwin]

 

Hi Folks, no questions, no counter offers? What? Not even a photo request?

 

OK so, $1350 ain't no screamin deal, true?  How about $1100. That is $250 
less than what I was asking. So, whatdaya say?

And I misspoke about the barrel brazeons on the seat stays. There are 
three: regular rear rack location, mid-stays, and 1-2 cm above the upper 
dropout eyelet.  

 Packed and ready to ship.

 Mike


On Saturday, September 22, 2018 at 5:20:32 PM UTC-7, Mike Godwin wrote:
>
> Subject line succinctly says it all.  Joe Appaloosa, silver with double 
> top tube. Not built or ridden.  
>
>  
>
> Frame, fork, FSA headset, Nitto 26.8 seatpost, shimano something sealed 
> bottom bracket.   $1350 shipped. 
>
>  
>
> Standover height at centerline of crank with Conti Speedmax (700x42),  
> 33.4 inches / 84.8 cm.  Standover with WTB 2.1 tires 33.75 inches /  85.7 cm
>
>  
>
> 700x52 / 2.1 tires measure about 47 mm wide on 14 mm wide rims. This 
> yields 7 mm clearance at chainstays, and 11 mm side clearance on fork 
> blades.
>
>  
>
> Rear triangle has barrel brazeons at top of stays, mid-stay brazeons, and 
> two eyelets on dropouts. The upper dropout eyelet is for a 6 mm bolt, lower 
> is conventional 5 mm. Has brazeons at top of fork crown, mid-fork barrels 
> and two eyelets on fork dropouts.  I have about 25 photos, some duplicate 
> what is on Riv website. Here are right side photos with Contis and WTB 
> tires. Contis measure 35 mm from the rim bead, WTBs measure 44.5 mm from 
> the rim bead. Please send me a note if you would like to see more photos. I 
> have a set showing Contis and WTBs in fork and rear triangle, chainstay 
> area. 
>
> Mike SLO CA
>

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[RBW] Film photography - subject matter?

['Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch]

A little late to this thread, but ... I recently purchased a fully manual 35mm 
camera (Leica, made in 1950, with a lens from 1940) to sample film photography 
again. I started shooting film way back in high school, developing and printing 
black and white photos in the family bathroom. Kept on shooting film when I 
went to work as a newspaper reporter in the early 80s, and finally gave it up 
for digital in the late 90s. 

I love digital, and I'm heavily invested in equipment for that type of 
photography, but for now it's fun to take photos and then wait, wait, wait 
while the lab develops and either prints or scans the images. Very nostalgic 
for me.

Here's a sample from the first roll of Triple-X:

https://www.instagram.com/p/Bn4eOfEn_pR/ 

I plan to carry the Leica on a 200-mile ride this weekend, where the plan is to 
set the exposure, turn the focus to infinity, and snap pics of the scenery and 
fellow riders. I'll let you all know how the images turn out.

--Eric "New Luddite" Norris

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[RBW] Re: Roadini - How do you like yours?

[Jonathan K.]

Thanks to everyone who responded. Lots of beautiful bikes, plenty of 
inspiration. I'm really thinking the Roadini will be my next bike. 

TC: What's the saddle height on your bike?

G.E.: What wheels/tires do you have on the Sam and on the Roadini?

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[RBW] Re: 47-50 mm 650B street tires. Which have you tried and liked? Tried and Disliked?

[Ed Carolipio]

I've run the 43mm version of the Gravel King (slick version) and the 50mm 
Marathon Supremes on my Appaloosa, and ride exclusively on city pavement. 
Thumbs up for both tires. I ended up sticking with the Marathon Supremes on 
the Appa for the flat protection and the reflective stripe since that's my 
commuter. I don't sense a difference in cush by going with the higher 
volume Marathons, nor do I find a difference in rolling resistance over 
pavement between the two. The Supremes have been bullet proof (knock on 
wood) for the past 18 months I've had them.

I still have the Gravel Kings on another bike which I ride less often, and 
I'm happy with them in that application.

--Ed C.

On Sunday, September 23, 2018 at 6:32:39 PM UTC-7, Chris Lampe 2 wrote:
>
> I've been looking to move from 700c to a smaller wheel size for several 
> years, with my initial plan to go down to 26".  I've been watching the new 
> tire market and have decided 650B is where I'm going to have the best 
> options so that is now my plan.  My riding is pretty much 100% pavement, 
> hard packed dirt/grass and maybe some maintained gravel roads.  
>
> I did some research today and came up with a list of slick to semi-slick 
> tires in the 47-50mm range.  I'm interested in people's experiences with 
> these tires, both good and bad.  I know Compass are highly regarded but 
> some of these I've heard very little about and a couple I've never heard 
> of.  
>
> WTB Horizon  
>
> Teravail Rampart
>
> Compass  Switchback Hill
>
> Panaracer Gravel King
>
> Schwalbe G-One Speed (50mm)
>
> Maxxis Re-Fuse
>
> Schwalbe Marathon Supreme 
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: WTB singlespeed.

[Andrew Huston]

I’m holding out for a canti version with a bit more clearance. I’m in Michigan 
anyhow so it would be a sure shipping situation. 

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[RBW] Re: WTB singlespeed.

[Philip Williamson]

Sorry, I’m on my phone, so I can’t reply privately.

My friend has a Bob Jackson f/f/hs for sale.
$180, 120 rear spacing, fits a 32mm tire easily, 531 tubing, 56x56, nice (I 
think) patina. 
https://sfbay.craigslist.org/nby/bik/d/bob-jackson-frameset/6701386275.html

He doesn’t want to ship, but I’m not sure where you are. Delivery to SF would 
be easy, if I can strap that frame to my Quickbeam. Now I’m hatching a plan to 
ferry framesets by bus or ferry by disguising them as rolling bikes... Also, I 
find shipping easy and fun, so I might be able to convince him, if you were 
interested. 

Philip
Santa Rosa, CA

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Re: [RBW] Practical Bicycling

[Eric Daume]

Has the selection of practical bikes ever been better? Seriously, we're in
a kind of golden age of bikes. Almost anything you want is readily
available. Who cares if people are buying $6000 ebikes with 6" of full
suspension travel... you can still easily find your steel, fendered, fat
tired bike with all the racks and bags and lights you could ever want.

Eric

On Mon, Sep 24, 2018 at 8:24 PM 'Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch <
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Since reading Grant’s lament from Interbike I’ve been having much the same
> thought. The industry has niched itself into impracticality. The answer
> isn’t to add electric motors. The answer is to return to practicality.
> Bikes that promote you living life with them, running errands on them. My
> singular ride this morning was two hours of riding with three hours at the
> writing nook. Along the way I did 5 hours of cognitive brain therapy, 2
> hours at the gym, 4 hours of contemplation, etc. But I don’t view them as
> separate activities, though they are in many people’s lives. Because I
> bike, they are one delightful morning.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
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[RBW] Re:

[iamkeith]

I agree that is a refreshing take, but I think I missed the crux of the 
article.  "Why (from the industry's standpoint) are outliers the ones they 
need the most?" Did they answer that?

I can't help but think that economic needs are different than values 
needs.   It reminds me of that Bicycle Times magazine that was designed to 
appeal to practical riders, but fizzled out fairly quickly.

On Monday, September 24, 2018 at 6:00:03 PM UTC-6, Curtis wrote:
>
> Hello Group,
>
> I found this refreshingly interesting.
>
>
> https://www.bicycling.com/culture/amp22824169/the-riders-who-dont-fit-in-are-the-ones-we-need-most/
>
> Curtis "who feels like he fits in here"
>

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[RBW] Re: Roadini - How do you like yours?

[Joe Bernard]

Lambbo, I was being specific about speed, although both bikes were/are set up 
uprightish so the feel wasn't completely different. Chev was certainly more 
plush with the longer stays and fatter tires, but I rode them at what felt to 
me as similar speeds. 

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[RBW] Practical Bicycling

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Since reading Grant’s lament from Interbike I’ve been having much the same 
thought. The industry has niched itself into impracticality. The answer isn’t 
to add electric motors. The answer is to return to practicality. Bikes that 
promote you living life with them, running errands on them. My singular ride 
this morning was two hours of riding with three hours at the writing nook. 
Along the way I did 5 hours of cognitive brain therapy, 2 hours at the gym, 4 
hours of contemplation, etc. But I don’t view them as separate activities, 
though they are in many people’s lives. Because I bike, they are one delightful 
morning. 

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW]

[Curtis McKenzie]

Hello Group,

I found this refreshingly interesting.

https://www.bicycling.com/culture/amp22824169/the-riders-who-dont-fit-in-are-the-ones-we-need-most/

Curtis "who feels like he fits in here"

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[RBW] Re: Roadini - How do you like yours?

[lambbo]

Joe, that's unbelievable that your Cheviot and Roadini ride so similarly 
for you!  

I have both bikes and it feels night and day - comfortable in very 
different ways, the Roadini being much much more spritely, aggressive, and 
quick feeling (probably the posture via noodles contributing 80% of that, 
geometry, tires, and weight the other 20%).  

I don't think the Roadini is always faster, per se, but I certainly ride it 
faster up hills and from stops.  

*The ability to move it around an apartment, compared to the LOOONGGG 60cm 
Cheviot, cannot be overstated. 

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[RBW] Lights and Tariffs

['Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Story from today’s All Things Considered on NPR about tariffs and their effect 
on Light and Motion, a well-known California-based maker of bike and other 
lights:

https://www.npr.org/2018/09/24/651221317/u-s-tariffs-on-china-may-force-california-company-to-move-production-overseas
 

Take-home points:

—They make lights here from parts sourced from China and other Asian countries
—The parts they import are subject to a new tariff, but completed lights (made 
overseas from the same parts) are not
—They are considering moving their assembly overseas to avoid the tariffs by 
assembling the lights there and importing them as complete systems

--Eric N

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[RBW] Re: 47-50 mm 650B street tires. Which have you tried and liked? Tried and Disliked?

[Ash]

I have used WTB Horizon, Schwalbe Allmotion 2.0" and Pasela 37mm.  I like 
WTB Horizon a lot.  As someone said about Compass tires, they are awesome 
for the kind of use you are describing.  However, if I'm planning a loaded 
tour, I'll be certain to switch to Almotions.

When these wear out, I'll either replace them with either another pair of 
Horizons or treat myself to pair of Switchback Hills (though I've never 
ridden compasses, I have read enough about those tires and formed an 
opinion that they are similar to Horizons and better!)



On Sunday, 23 September 2018 18:32:39 UTC-7, Chris Lampe 2 wrote:
>
> I've been looking to move from 700c to a smaller wheel size for several 
> years, with my initial plan to go down to 26".  I've been watching the new 
> tire market and have decided 650B is where I'm going to have the best 
> options so that is now my plan.  My riding is pretty much 100% pavement, 
> hard packed dirt/grass and maybe some maintained gravel roads.  
>
> I did some research today and came up with a list of slick to semi-slick 
> tires in the 47-50mm range.  I'm interested in people's experiences with 
> these tires, both good and bad.  I know Compass are highly regarded but 
> some of these I've heard very little about and a couple I've never heard 
> of.  
>
> WTB Horizon  
>
> Teravail Rampart
>
> Compass  Switchback Hill
>
> Panaracer Gravel King
>
> Schwalbe G-One Speed (50mm)
>
> Maxxis Re-Fuse
>
> Schwalbe Marathon Supreme 
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: BUMP! different prices FS: Marks Rack/ Nitto M32/ Makeshifter Outback saddlebag

['Eric Myers' via RBW Owners Bunch]

PM sent on Mark's Rack.

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[RBW] Re: Here's my new Atlantis

[Andrew Huston]

This forum needs a blacked out bike. This might be one of my favorites. Well 
done. 

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[RBW] Re: WTB singlespeed.

[Andrew Huston]

Bumping this. 56 Quickbeam or simpleone. Someone has one and wants to sell it. 
I just know it. 

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Re: [RBW] Film photography - subject matter?

[Patrick Moore]

I didn't understand a word of your filosofikal musings, but that fountain
photo is -- let me grudgingly say, if not "wonderful," at least, "very
nice*."

* "Nice, adj. Generic term of approbation."

Seriously, I think I see what you say. I am sure that there are serious
theological lessons to be learned from all this, but I will refrain.

But in all seriousness, these and the earlier photos are very good ones, as
far as I can tell, and thanks for posting.

That fountain photo is a very good one.

On Mon, Sep 24, 2018 at 3:39 PM, Steve Palincsar  wrote:

>
> On 09/24/2018 05:09 PM, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Steve: With a dumb phone, yet! Kudos, very nice.
>
>
> Thanks!
>
>
> Speaking of photgraphic-aesthetic-theory, something I've devoted exactly
> 30 seconds of mental activity to, it would be fun to hear descriptions of
> the "photograph" in such cases. Far, far from being a simple
> "representation of reality" I guess it would be much like a painting: a
> combination of "what is out there" and the artist's (even Steve)
> manipulation, all tied together by the artist's (even Steve) interpretation
> of what he/she is seeing. [Or not.]
>
>
> I'm down with Ansel Adams: the photograph only begins inside the camera.
> I'll go further: my eyes are very sensitive to light, and any time it gets
> up to what the film boxes used to call "cloudy bright" I have to put my sun
> glasses on.  And my sunglasses have a dark amber tint.  So essentially
> everything I see outdoors is more contrasty than a camera would see it, and
> the tones are shifted as well.
>
> And then let's add to that, human vision doesn't work like a camera *at
> all.*  You're basically seeing a stored image in your brain based on
> memory, updated with fresh information that gets added incrementally and
> heavily focused by your interest.  "Out of focus" / bokeh is replaced by
> "not noticing, didn't pay it any attention".   You rely on context to get
> size, and often see it the way you expect it to be.  "Reality" as you see
> it is in your mind.
>
> So manipulating the *ell out of an image to get it to look like what you
> think you saw, or what you wish you saw, or what you think that image wants
> to be when it grows up, is all perfectly in scope as far as I'm concerned.
>
>
>
> When I was looking at the fountain in Point State Park (at the Pittsburgh
> terminus of the Great Allegheny Passage) I actually could see the texture,
> the pulses and streams in the fountain, and the buildings behind.  But in
> the original photo, it was all lost in an indistinguishable mass of light
> blue, devoid of contrast.  The image -- at first -- didn't show what I'd
> seen in person at all.  It took a lot of effort and manipulation to enhance
> the tonal range to bring out the texture.
>
> I also think nothing whatever about removing incongruous junk from an
> image, provided I can do it easily enough.  Here's a fine example:
>
>
>
> There was some plastic litter on the side of the trail when I took this -
> with a real camera, years ago now - that I didn't notice at the time,
> something like a blue sand pail or plastic bottle or some such thing.  I
> cloned some of the leaves and removed the blue garbage from the photo.
> Perfectly legitimate, as far as I'm concerned: I wasn't trying to do a
> documentary on trailside litter, I was trying to capture the feeling of the
> Dyke Marsh Trail.
>
>
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Film photography - subject matter?

[Steve Palincsar]

On 09/24/2018 05:09 PM, Patrick Moore wrote:

Steve: With a dumb phone, yet! Kudos, very nice.


Thanks!



Speaking of photgraphic-aesthetic-theory, something I've devoted 
exactly 30 seconds of mental activity to, it would be fun to hear 
descriptions of the "photograph" in such cases. Far, far from being a 
simple "representation of reality" I guess it would be much like a 
painting: a combination of "what is out there" and the artist's (even 
Steve) manipulation, all tied together by the artist's (even Steve) 
interpretation of what he/she is seeing. [Or not.]


I'm down with Ansel Adams: the photograph only begins inside the 
camera.  I'll go further: my eyes are very sensitive to light, and any 
time it gets up to what the film boxes used to call "cloudy bright" I 
have to put my sun glasses on.  And my sunglasses have a dark amber 
tint.  So essentially everything I see outdoors is more contrasty than a 
camera would see it, and the tones are shifted as well.


And then let's add to that, human vision doesn't work like a camera /at 
all./  You're basically seeing a stored image in your brain based on 
memory, updated with fresh information that gets added incrementally and 
heavily focused by your interest.  "Out of focus" / bokeh is replaced by 
"not noticing, didn't pay it any attention".   You rely on context to 
get size, and often see it the way you expect it to be.  "Reality" as 
you see it is in your mind.


So manipulating the *ell out of an image to get it to look like what you 
think you saw, or what you wish you saw, or what you think that image 
wants to be when it grows up, is all perfectly in scope as far as I'm 
concerned.




When I was looking at the fountain in Point State Park (at the 
Pittsburgh terminus of the Great Allegheny Passage) I actually could see 
the texture, the pulses and streams in the fountain, and the buildings 
behind.  But in the original photo, it was all lost in an 
indistinguishable mass of light blue, devoid of contrast.  The image -- 
at first -- didn't show what I'd seen in person at all.  It took a lot 
of effort and manipulation to enhance the tonal range to bring out the 
texture.


I also think nothing whatever about removing incongruous junk from an 
image, provided I can do it easily enough.  Here's a fine example:




There was some plastic litter on the side of the trail when I took this 
- with a real camera, years ago now - that I didn't notice at the time, 
something like a blue sand pail or plastic bottle or some such thing.  I 
cloned some of the leaves and removed the blue garbage from the photo.   
Perfectly legitimate, as far as I'm concerned: I wasn't trying to do a 
documentary on trailside litter, I was trying to capture the feeling of 
the Dyke Marsh Trail.






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Re: [RBW] Film photography - subject matter?

[Patrick Moore]

Roland Michaud: photography, but also bike. I didn't glom onto this until
just now:

En 1950, en récompense de sa réussite au baccalauréat, ses parents lui
offrent un vélo de randonnée et lui permettent d’entreprendre son premier
vrai voyage : un périple à bicyclette de 85 jours en Europe du Nord qui le
mène jusqu’en Laponie ; il y réalise ses premières photos en noir et blanc
avec un appareil Kodak de 1894 ayant appartenu à son grand-père. Après un
séjour d’études en Angleterre, il entreprend en 1955 avec son frère cadet
Jean-Claude un vaste périple en auto stop au Moyen-Orient où Roland prend
ses premières photos couleurs. Ils décrivent leur aventure dans un récit
resté inédit : *École buissonnière en Perse*.

In 1950, as a reward for passing his baccalaureate, his parents gave him a
touring bicycle and allowed him to go on his first real tour: an 85-day
bicycle trip across northern Europe which took him as far as Lapland; it
was during this trip that he took his first black and white photos with a
1894 Kodak apparatus that had belonged to his grandfather. After a period
of study in England, with his younger brother Jean-Claude he began a huge
hitchhiking trip across the Middle Easts where Roland took his first color
photos. They described their adventures in an unpublished story, *Playing
Hooky in Persia.*

On Mon, Sep 24, 2018 at 3:03 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:

> I am not familiar with Roland Barth; sorry. Doubt I'd have much patience
> with "philosophy of aesthetics;" me, I like to see the pikchurs. I named
> Roland Michaud:
>
> https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roland_et_Sabrina_Michaud
>
> And I meant the cheap digital pen cameras, or stick cameras if you like --
> $5 or $10 and often given away as promotions. Fun to use, in part because
> they were so damned primitive, and getting even minimally decent results
> required you to think a bit (no software to compensate for your
> hamfistedness).
>
> On Mon, Sep 24, 2018 at 2:38 PM, Zed Martinez 
> wrote:
>
>> Patrick, I have some complicated thoughts that lean often negatively
>> about Roland Barthe (because, my, he could come across quite pompous), but
>> he has this notion when he discusses what he likes about photography called
>> the 'punctum' that I find to be a very useful term, and an interesting
>> read. Either via the long slug in 'Camera Lucida' itself, or readily
>> discussed online. The broad stroke, though, is that in some photos for
>> every person there is an element that sometimes occurs that sticks out,
>> that 'pricks' the viewer, and which dominates the photo for them (in the
>> way that draws them in and makes the image last). Barthes opinion if I
>> remember is that the punctum has to be an accident, planned elements are
>> contrived or flat. it's the accident of a detail that resonates for the
>> viewer which the artist could not have known about that's what really
>> drives great photography. Not quite the same as what makes a photo 'good,'
>> but, I think perhaps it's a concept you'd enjoy.
>>
>> Also, were those the older film Pens popular on the iBOB? I gather as
>> much from the context of the thread, but Olympus loose usage of that term
>> in both film and digital means I usually find it safer to ask than assume.
>>
>> On Monday, September 24, 2018 at 4:23:25 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
>>> Forgot to add that, what, 10 years ago? -- there were recurring threads
>>> on the iBoblist about on-bike photography using those extremely primitive
>>> and extremely cheap pen cameras, and uploading to the cloud via some very
>>> primitive transfer software. Some Bobs got some very surprisingly good
>>> results, given the indecently primitive nature of the cameras -- I briefly
>>> owned one and got some shots uploaded to the proto-cloud with mine. Kent
>>> Petersen was notable for his good results with this minimalist technology.
>>> This may be an instance; at any rate, it is Kent's (he gave me permission
>>> to use it for my website, which I never did).
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Sep 24, 2018 at 2:15 PM, Patrick Moore 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 This request added by a very definitely non-photographer: Respondents,
 please post some of your sample or typical photos per Philip's questions,
 be these bike-related or not. I have not taken the trouble to learn
 anything of the art beyond the grossest rudiments, but I do enjoy seeing
 good photography.

 [What elements make a good photograph? Subject, treatment,
 technicalities. Append sample. I seriously would like to see others' ideas
 of what is good. Me, conventional choices, no doubt: Ansel Adams, Roland
 and Sabrina Michaud (I still have their Afghan book), and Mirella Ricciardi
 (I still have her "Vanishing Africa" book), and Dorothea Lange (have it
 too). Back to regular programming.]

 On Mon, Sep 24, 2018 at 10:41 AM, Philip Williamson <
 philip.w...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I marked this OT, but changed my mind, since Grant 

Re: [RBW] Film photography - subject matter?

[Patrick Moore]

Steve: With a dumb phone, yet! Kudos, very nice.

Speaking of photgraphic-aesthetic-theory, something I've devoted exactly 30
seconds of mental activity to, it would be fun to hear descriptions of the
"photograph" in such cases. Far, far from being a simple "representation of
reality" I guess it would be much like a painting: a combination of "what
is out there" and the artist's (even Steve) manipulation, all tied together
by the artist's (even Steve) interpretation of what he/she is seeing. [Or
not.]

On Mon, Sep 24, 2018 at 2:47 PM, Steve Palincsar  wrote:

> This is digital, not film, but it's not far from what you're talking about.
>
> I recently got a new phone - an Alcatel Go Flip with a 2 mpx camera.   The
> camera on that phone is little better than a Brownie, and bright sunlight
> totally blows the color balance rendering everything excessively blue.  But
> every now and then, often with a heavy helping of corrective editing, I've
> come up with some pretty interesting photos I wouldn't have had otherwise.
> It's been an interesting challenge.
>
> For example, late in August I was out painting the road markings for our
> club's annual Century and came upon this:
>
> I've ridden by that spot hundreds of times over the years, but never saw
> anything: it's at the bottom of a moderately steep downhill, with a
> corresponding uphill on the other side, typical of what passes for "hills"
> in Southern Maryland.  I was parked there so that we could mark the
> potholes on the downhill, some of which have been there for several years.
>   It's no wonder I never noticed: coming down that grade at 30 mph steering
> through the potholes you have other things on your mind than peering off
> into the woods!
>
> This is a stitched multi-shot hand-held panorama taken a couple of weeks
> ago during the high water that left parts of the Mount Vernon Trail and Old
> Town Alexandria under water.  Color balance was entirely hopeless, beyond
> any correction, but as a B conversion it didn't turn out too badly and it
> did capture the hazy, swampy feeling of the day.
>
> It took an hour to do something with the blue cast on this.  The resulting
> color isn't anywhere near what I saw, but I thought it had a certain charm
> - a harbinger of autumn, perhaps.
>
> On 09/24/2018 04:23 PM, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Forgot to add that, what, 10 years ago? -- there were recurring threads on
> the iBoblist about on-bike photography using those extremely primitive and
> extremely cheap pen cameras, and uploading to the cloud via some very
> primitive transfer software. Some Bobs got some very surprisingly good
> results, given the indecently primitive nature of the cameras -- I briefly
> owned one and got some shots uploaded to the proto-cloud with mine. Kent
> Petersen was notable for his good results with this minimalist technology.
> This may be an instance; at any rate, it is Kent's (he gave me permission
> to use it for my website, which I never did).
>
>
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> Alexandria, Virginia
> USA
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Re: [RBW] Film photography - subject matter?

[Patrick Moore]

I am not familiar with Roland Barth; sorry. Doubt I'd have much patience
with "philosophy of aesthetics;" me, I like to see the pikchurs. I named
Roland Michaud:

https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roland_et_Sabrina_Michaud

And I meant the cheap digital pen cameras, or stick cameras if you like --
$5 or $10 and often given away as promotions. Fun to use, in part because
they were so damned primitive, and getting even minimally decent results
required you to think a bit (no software to compensate for your
hamfistedness).

On Mon, Sep 24, 2018 at 2:38 PM, Zed Martinez 
wrote:

> Patrick, I have some complicated thoughts that lean often negatively about
> Roland Barthe (because, my, he could come across quite pompous), but he has
> this notion when he discusses what he likes about photography called the
> 'punctum' that I find to be a very useful term, and an interesting read.
> Either via the long slug in 'Camera Lucida' itself, or readily discussed
> online. The broad stroke, though, is that in some photos for every person
> there is an element that sometimes occurs that sticks out, that 'pricks'
> the viewer, and which dominates the photo for them (in the way that draws
> them in and makes the image last). Barthes opinion if I remember is that
> the punctum has to be an accident, planned elements are contrived or flat.
> it's the accident of a detail that resonates for the viewer which the
> artist could not have known about that's what really drives great
> photography. Not quite the same as what makes a photo 'good,' but, I think
> perhaps it's a concept you'd enjoy.
>
> Also, were those the older film Pens popular on the iBOB? I gather as much
> from the context of the thread, but Olympus loose usage of that term in
> both film and digital means I usually find it safer to ask than assume.
>
> On Monday, September 24, 2018 at 4:23:25 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> Forgot to add that, what, 10 years ago? -- there were recurring threads
>> on the iBoblist about on-bike photography using those extremely primitive
>> and extremely cheap pen cameras, and uploading to the cloud via some very
>> primitive transfer software. Some Bobs got some very surprisingly good
>> results, given the indecently primitive nature of the cameras -- I briefly
>> owned one and got some shots uploaded to the proto-cloud with mine. Kent
>> Petersen was notable for his good results with this minimalist technology.
>> This may be an instance; at any rate, it is Kent's (he gave me permission
>> to use it for my website, which I never did).
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 24, 2018 at 2:15 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>
>>> This request added by a very definitely non-photographer: Respondents,
>>> please post some of your sample or typical photos per Philip's questions,
>>> be these bike-related or not. I have not taken the trouble to learn
>>> anything of the art beyond the grossest rudiments, but I do enjoy seeing
>>> good photography.
>>>
>>> [What elements make a good photograph? Subject, treatment,
>>> technicalities. Append sample. I seriously would like to see others' ideas
>>> of what is good. Me, conventional choices, no doubt: Ansel Adams, Roland
>>> and Sabrina Michaud (I still have their Afghan book), and Mirella Ricciardi
>>> (I still have her "Vanishing Africa" book), and Dorothea Lange (have it
>>> too). Back to regular programming.]
>>>
>>> On Mon, Sep 24, 2018 at 10:41 AM, Philip Williamson <
>>> philip.w...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 I marked this OT, but changed my mind, since Grant writes about and
 shoots analog film.
 My question isn't about gear (no surprise if it goes there, though),
 it's about subject matter. I have cameras, and film, and some okay ways to
 carry them on the bike (suggestions there couldn't hurt).

 What I'm looking for is inspiration as I build myself a rule-set for a
 film photography project. On my morning commutes, I've been keeping my eye
 out for "what would I shoot if I were shooting film" moments.

 1. What do you film photographers shoot when you shoot film? Do you
 approach it differently than phone camera or digital shooting?
 2. Do you cycle to shoot, or is it a wholly unrelated hobby?
 3. Anybody shoot color? I want to do this now, since a friend develops
 color at home using a sous vide (cooking) setup to control temps.

 Please link to your images, if you care to share. I'd really like to
 see what the film folk are doing.

 Philip
 Santa Rosa, CA

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rambouillet vs. Roadeo?

[Patrick Moore]

I switched to sub-compact doubles from Riv-standard triples some years ago
when I found that on my "sandy-dirt-biased" Fargo, although my 46/36/24 was
fine for pavement riding (almost all on the 46 and the 7 smallest of the 9
cogs), but that, when I went on mixed terrain rides with steeper hills or
deeper sand, those lowish-middle gears required by the terrain far too much
shifting between the outer and middle rings. I switched to a 44/30 and
eventually, with the current Matthews, changed to a 42/28 and 10 cogs; all
of which allowed me to get even closer mid-range gearing while still having
a perfectly sufficiently high 89" high and 31" low (46" low on the 42),
which works just fine for my sort of riding. (14-27 mismatched 10-speed --
89-83-77-73-69-65-62 ( 69-65-62 is my cruising range in the flat but sandy
bosque; yes, the 65 to 62 is a very convenient drop) -56-52-46, and then 46
to 31 on the 24.).)

With a very subcompact 2X10, I get almost the same range and as-close
spacing as with the 3X9, but more of it on the outer ring, so no awkward
front shifting; and I still have the granny for traumatic situations (like
turning a 90* corner on the very sandy, often muddy soil under the Montano
bridge, while having to negotiate a 6" high concrete bump followed by even
deeper sand; all this requiring massive torque and thus a quick dump to the
granny).

However, as for climbing, I personally *like* to stand, so 46" gets me up
most hills in my immediate area.

I am sure I read that, back when cassettes were limited to 10 or even 9,
some pros used triples in the mountain stages.

On Mon, Sep 24, 2018 at 10:56 AM, Bill Schairer  wrote:

> Good points or I thought are there rules?  But even spinning for a few
> minutes to recover must be faster than the near dead stops one often sees.
> Anyway, I've always wondered about it. Has a pro ever ridden a triple in
> the big races?
>
> Bill
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[RBW] Re: Here's my new Atlantis

[dougP]

Looks positively BAD ASS!

dougP

On Sunday, September 23, 2018 at 9:30:43 PM UTC-7, Ash wrote:
>
> Thought this color would go well with black componentry.  I think it does 
> like fine!
> Headset is still the shiny one.  Haven't had a chance to make a trip to my 
> LBS to swap it.
>
>
> More photos here, including side-by-side with my first Rivendell, the 
> Appaloosa.
> https://flic.kr/s/aHsmszGzbs
>
> sizes:
> Atlantis - 50cm
> Appaloosa - 51cm
>
>
> ps: still a rookie at attaching parts to a bike frame :)  comments are 
> quite welcome!  Do let me know if I've goofed up anything. 
>

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Re: [RBW] Film photography - subject matter?

[Steve Palincsar]

This is digital, not film, but it's not far from what you're talking about.

I recently got a new phone - an Alcatel Go Flip with a 2 mpx camera.   
The camera on that phone is little better than a Brownie, and bright 
sunlight totally blows the color balance rendering everything 
excessively blue.  But every now and then, often with a heavy helping of 
corrective editing, I've come up with some pretty interesting photos I 
wouldn't have had otherwise.  It's been an interesting challenge.


For example, late in August I was out painting the road markings for our 
club's annual Century and came upon this:


I've ridden by that spot hundreds of times over the years, but never saw 
anything: it's at the bottom of a moderately steep downhill, with a 
corresponding uphill on the other side, typical of what passes for 
"hills" in Southern Maryland.  I was parked there so that we could mark 
the potholes on the downhill, some of which have been there for several 
years.   It's no wonder I never noticed: coming down that grade at 30 
mph steering through the potholes you have other things on your mind 
than peering off into the woods!


This is a stitched multi-shot hand-held panorama taken a couple of weeks 
ago during the high water that left parts of the Mount Vernon Trail and 
Old Town Alexandria under water.  Color balance was entirely hopeless, 
beyond any correction, but as a B conversion it didn't turn out too 
badly and it did capture the hazy, swampy feeling of the day.


It took an hour to do something with the blue cast on this.  The 
resulting color isn't anywhere near what I saw, but I thought it had a 
certain charm - a harbinger of autumn, perhaps.



On 09/24/2018 04:23 PM, Patrick Moore wrote:
Forgot to add that, what, 10 years ago? -- there were recurring 
threads on the iBoblist about on-bike photography using those 
extremely primitive and extremely cheap pen cameras, and uploading to 
the cloud via some very primitive transfer software. Some Bobs got 
some very surprisingly good results, given the indecently primitive 
nature of the cameras -- I briefly owned one and got some shots 
uploaded to the proto-cloud with mine. Kent Petersen was notable for 
his good results with this minimalist technology. This may be an 
instance; at any rate, it is Kent's (he gave me permission to use it 
for my website, which I never did).


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USA

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[RBW] Re: New Roadeo (to me)

[Ash]

> If I would have known this I would have not bought the first 4 Rivs and 
> just come up out of the pocket for a Roadeo from the start.
>
>
But then you wouldn't have known that this is _the_ one :)




On Thursday, 20 September 2018 15:49:57 UTC-7, Lum Gim Fong wrote:
>
> 53cm  Roadeo
>
> Bought the frame from lister. Built it up.
> Usual Rivish component stuff.
> Also:
> 40cm Nitto M151F bar.
> SONdeluxwidebody/Pacenti Brevet/Sapim Race spokes/VO rear Touring hub 700c 
> wheels.
> GB Cypress tires
>
> Way easier to pedal down the road than any other Rivbike I have owned. 
> Very fast and doesn't bog down on hills. Just keeps its momentum nicely.
> If I would have known this I would have not bought the first 4 Rivs and 
> just come up out of the pocket for a Roadeo from the start.
>
> Pics:  https://flic.kr/s/aHsmpG4rwT
> Enjoy!
>
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Re: [RBW] Strange experience on bike trail

['Eric Myers' via RBW Owners Bunch]

When riding my classic vintage bikes I've always has lots of great 
interactions with people on foot, and plenty of conversations with other 
cyclists when opportunities arise, like stopped at the same place to admire 
a view.  But this has been different:  The pedestrians were still just as 
friendly, it's the cyclists who are blowing past without observing the 
customary courtesies :-\

On the other hand, while stopped outside a local bike shop, an old guy rode 
up staring very hard at the Sam Hillborne until he could see the head badge 
up close.  He had thought it might be a Hercules, so we had a fun chat 
about old bikes for a bit.

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[RBW] Re: Film photography - subject matter?

[Ryan M.]

I shoot Portra 400, Tri X, or HP5 in Pentax manual cameras...got a bunch of 
them. I recently started shooting the Portra and absolutely love it. Sure, 
I have to send it off to develop it but that isn't a big deal. 

I like to shoot festivals, events, protests, ect. with them. Wherever 
humans gather seems to be a good place to get some nice shots and a small 
kit using one short telephoto and a fast 50mm keeps me busy finding shots. 

When on the bike I will take my Pentax MX and a 50mm f1.4 and just shoot 
whatever I see that seems interesting. Depending on the ride that may be 
nothing because I'm more focused on cycling or I wind up stopping all the 
time. 

I always have a film camera when vacationing and will shoot whatever, 
whenever. 

I tend to shoot less frames when using film over digital, but I seem to 
have more fun using the film. I don't know why that is but I think it has 
to do with deliberately slowing down and being choosy because the equipment 
forces me to. (motordrives don't belong on film cameras. ;) lol) 


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> I marked this OT, but changed my mind, since Grant writes about and shoots 
> analog film.
> My question isn't about gear (no surprise if it goes there, though), it's 
> about subject matter. I have cameras, and film, and some okay ways to carry 
> them on the bike (suggestions there couldn't hurt).  
>
> What I'm looking for is inspiration as I build myself a rule-set for a 
> film photography project. On my morning commutes, I've been keeping my eye 
> out for "what would I shoot if I were shooting film" moments. 
>
> 1. What do you film photographers shoot when you shoot film? Do you 
> approach it differently than phone camera or digital shooting?
> 2. Do you cycle to shoot, or is it a wholly unrelated hobby? 
> 3. Anybody shoot color? I want to do this now, since a friend develops 
> color at home using a sous vide (cooking) setup to control temps.
>
> Please link to your images, if you care to share. I'd really like to see 
> what the film folk are doing.
>
> Philip
> Santa Rosa, CA
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Re: [RBW] Film photography - subject matter?

[Zed Martinez]

Patrick, I have some complicated thoughts that lean often negatively about 
Roland Barthe (because, my, he could come across quite pompous), but he has 
this notion when he discusses what he likes about photography called the 
'punctum' that I find to be a very useful term, and an interesting read. 
Either via the long slug in 'Camera Lucida' itself, or readily discussed 
online. The broad stroke, though, is that in some photos for every person 
there is an element that sometimes occurs that sticks out, that 'pricks' 
the viewer, and which dominates the photo for them (in the way that draws 
them in and makes the image last). Barthes opinion if I remember is that 
the punctum has to be an accident, planned elements are contrived or flat. 
it's the accident of a detail that resonates for the viewer which the 
artist could not have known about that's what really drives great 
photography. Not quite the same as what makes a photo 'good,' but, I think 
perhaps it's a concept you'd enjoy.

Also, were those the older film Pens popular on the iBOB? I gather as much 
from the context of the thread, but Olympus loose usage of that term in 
both film and digital means I usually find it safer to ask than assume. 

On Monday, September 24, 2018 at 4:23:25 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Forgot to add that, what, 10 years ago? -- there were recurring threads on 
> the iBoblist about on-bike photography using those extremely primitive and 
> extremely cheap pen cameras, and uploading to the cloud via some very 
> primitive transfer software. Some Bobs got some very surprisingly good 
> results, given the indecently primitive nature of the cameras -- I briefly 
> owned one and got some shots uploaded to the proto-cloud with mine. Kent 
> Petersen was notable for his good results with this minimalist technology. 
> This may be an instance; at any rate, it is Kent's (he gave me permission 
> to use it for my website, which I never did).
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 24, 2018 at 2:15 PM, Patrick Moore  > wrote:
>
>> This request added by a very definitely non-photographer: Respondents, 
>> please post some of your sample or typical photos per Philip's questions, 
>> be these bike-related or not. I have not taken the trouble to learn 
>> anything of the art beyond the grossest rudiments, but I do enjoy seeing 
>> good photography.
>>
>> [What elements make a good photograph? Subject, treatment, 
>> technicalities. Append sample. I seriously would like to see others' ideas 
>> of what is good. Me, conventional choices, no doubt: Ansel Adams, Roland 
>> and Sabrina Michaud (I still have their Afghan book), and Mirella Ricciardi 
>> (I still have her "Vanishing Africa" book), and Dorothea Lange (have it 
>> too). Back to regular programming.]
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 24, 2018 at 10:41 AM, Philip Williamson <
>> philip.w...@gmail.com > wrote:
>>
>>> I marked this OT, but changed my mind, since Grant writes about and 
>>> shoots analog film.
>>> My question isn't about gear (no surprise if it goes there, though), 
>>> it's about subject matter. I have cameras, and film, and some okay ways to 
>>> carry them on the bike (suggestions there couldn't hurt).  
>>>
>>> What I'm looking for is inspiration as I build myself a rule-set for a 
>>> film photography project. On my morning commutes, I've been keeping my eye 
>>> out for "what would I shoot if I were shooting film" moments. 
>>>
>>> 1. What do you film photographers shoot when you shoot film? Do you 
>>> approach it differently than phone camera or digital shooting?
>>> 2. Do you cycle to shoot, or is it a wholly unrelated hobby? 
>>> 3. Anybody shoot color? I want to do this now, since a friend develops 
>>> color at home using a sous vide (cooking) setup to control temps.
>>>
>>> Please link to your images, if you care to share. I'd really like to see 
>>> what the film folk are doing.
>>>
>>> Philip
>>> Santa Rosa, CA
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Re: [RBW] Strange experience on bike trail

[Patrick Moore]

I have to say that I get just as many smiles, "hello's," waves, and many
more "Nice bike!'s" on my drop bar'd Rivs than on any flat/upright bar'd
bike I've ridden.

50% at least of my riding on paved and unpaved multi-use trails.

On Mon, Sep 24, 2018 at 11:48 AM, Lum Gim Fong 
wrote:

> When I ride Bosco/Alba setups pedestrians smile and wave at me alot as I
> approach.
> Almost never happens when riding drop setups.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Blahg Post Ethiopian Shoes

[Jon Dukeman,central Colorado]

I will be calling my credit card company October 1st if I have not received 
my shoes. I think people feel sorry for the people of this country and let 
them slide when they don't meet advertised deadline.
If this had been an American company I would of retrieved my money long ago 
and turned them into the BBB..
I wonder how many customers say "Its okay they can keep my $85."

E-mail sent today to Bethlehem. CEO , Sol Rebels shoes

Bethlehem,
You advertise shoes will be completed  around 17 days.
My order was placed over 8 weeks ago,July 27th
In an e-mail August 21st you said my shoes were being completed and you 
would be giving me a delivery conformation soon.
Its Sept 24th and I have not heard from you.
Please give me a status update and a  date my shoes will ship.
Best regards,
Jon Dukeman






On Monday, September 24, 2018 at 1:37:27 PM UTC-6, Gary wrote:
>
> I have a similar story. I ordered my shoes on July 27 and inquired last 
> week as well. I received the exact same nice reply. Since then I've not 
> heard back from the "order team" and no shoes have arrived.
>
> On Monday, September 24, 2018 at 11:00:47 AM UTC-4, masmojo wrote:
>>
>> I contacted them about my order and I recieved a very nice reply; the 
>> "orders" dept was copied in & asked to give me a status & tracking number, 
>> but I've yet to hear anything.
>> It's been two months and although I don't characterize myself as a 
>> suspicious or paranoid person, I am starting to think there's a problem. I 
>>  suspect that there's likely a disconnect between the web site/ management 
>> & production in Ethiopia. 
>> I certainly hope I am wrong, but they've got a week or so, before I 
>> follow up with my credit card company.
>
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Re: [RBW] Film photography - subject matter?

[Patrick Moore]

This request added by a very definitely non-photographer: Respondents,
please post some of your sample or typical photos per Philip's questions,
be these bike-related or not. I have not taken the trouble to learn
anything of the art beyond the grossest rudiments, but I do enjoy seeing
good photography.

[What elements make a good photograph? Subject, treatment, technicalities.
Append sample. I seriously would like to see others' ideas of what is good.
Me, conventional choices, no doubt: Ansel Adams, Roland and Sabrina Michaud
(I still have their Afghan book), and Mirella Ricciardi (I still have her
"Vanishing Africa" book), and Dorothea Lange (have it too). Back to regular
programming.]

On Mon, Sep 24, 2018 at 10:41 AM, Philip Williamson <
philip.william...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I marked this OT, but changed my mind, since Grant writes about and shoots
> analog film.
> My question isn't about gear (no surprise if it goes there, though), it's
> about subject matter. I have cameras, and film, and some okay ways to carry
> them on the bike (suggestions there couldn't hurt).
>
> What I'm looking for is inspiration as I build myself a rule-set for a
> film photography project. On my morning commutes, I've been keeping my eye
> out for "what would I shoot if I were shooting film" moments.
>
> 1. What do you film photographers shoot when you shoot film? Do you
> approach it differently than phone camera or digital shooting?
> 2. Do you cycle to shoot, or is it a wholly unrelated hobby?
> 3. Anybody shoot color? I want to do this now, since a friend develops
> color at home using a sous vide (cooking) setup to control temps.
>
> Please link to your images, if you care to share. I'd really like to see
> what the film folk are doing.
>
> Philip
> Santa Rosa, CA
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[RBW] Re: Roadini - How do you like yours?

[G.E.]

I actually believe the Roadini is a better fit for me, but I've also grown 
used to the slightly-large fit of the Sam, so perhaps my body now believe a 
larger bike is the "right" fit. :)  I still like the Roadini... it just 
doesn't do exactly what I'd expected. I'm sure there would be a far more 
significant difference in feel from some of the more stout Riv's to the 
Roadini.

On Monday, September 24, 2018 at 1:22:32 AM UTC-6, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> G.E., your particular Sam may just fit you better, plus your body is well 
> adapted to it. My guess is the Roadini is noticeably lighter/faster-feeling 
> than the stouter touring-ish Rivs, but I wouldn't expect it to be a 
> significant change from Sam, just cheaper and less braze-ons. 
>
> For example, coming off the Clems I've owned - H and L - it's a markedly 
> faster bike. Compared to my Cheviot? The differences are mainly that the 
> Roadini is easier to move around my apartment with shorter stays, the tires 
> are skinnier and taller, and the toptube is way up there. I perceive no 
> speed difference. 
>

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[RBW] Film photography - subject matter?

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Oh, and I forgot to mention that where film does very well is focus of field. 
Play with that. A lot. The iPhone’s portrait mode gives a semblance of it, but 
still far from film and looks different to me in digital.

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Film photography - subject matter?

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Phil, What a great adventure to add to your adventures! I grew up shooting 
black and white and developing it myself, as well as the standard color film. I 
transitioned to digital when it reached a point of visual parity (in terms of 
clarity and pixels), and for me, the simplicity of an iPhone that is with me 
anyway and can do 93.2% of what I want to do with an SLR and/or film camera is 
really hard to beat. There remains an ascetic aesthetic to film that I miss, 
and I find delight in others delving into it. Grain. Feel. Light sensitivity. 
Mystery of outcome. Tweeking of outcome in the darkroom. Etc. The number one 
rule is shoot and learn, and the time between shooting and learning is the time 
it takes to develop rather than instantly. Grin.

To your questions on subject matter, which in my experience is the same for 
film as digital, I find I tend to be drawn to similar genres and focus on them 
for a while, learning as I go. It may be macros of floura, abstracts, lighting 
studies, action shots, landscapes, portraits, etc. Bottom line for me is I 
shoot what interests me. Explore and learn even as you explore and learn on the 
bike. Enjoy, and please, share some of your ride/photo reports with us!

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Re: Film photography - subject matter?

[Zed Martinez]

I carry a little half-frame scale-focus camera with me when I bike. I 
bought a universal camera 'bag' insert about the dimensions of my handlebar 
bag's interior and use that to make a nice pocket for it. Most of my 
'professional' time is spent supporting the local theatre scene through 
marketing photos and headshots, highly structured generally studio work. 
So, on the bike and out-and-about I like to just be looser and do what 
could possibly be stretched to 'street' but is more just snapshot. I've 
been shooting only b film, because I vastly prefer how color works in 
digital while I think black and white is really where film was in its 
strongest. Shooting b keeps me looking mostly for scenes that will render 
well in it: strong contrast where the subject is easily identified against 
competing elements, tones, geometric compositions, etc. I'll either 
identify a subject and see if they go into suitable lighting, or if I'm 
just out riding for fun if I find a good scene and light I'll stop a bit 
and see if someone comes through to finish it.

The particular half-frame I'm using (Olympus Pen D2) forces me to work 
pretty loose. Since it's just a simple rangefinder without a focus patch 
it's usually to my advantage to favor smaller apertures and a focus 
distance about 3 meters out, so, combined with the very 'approximate' 
bright finder lines, it mostly forces me to focus on looser shots than I 
would probably do with my main camera, which helps keep me considering 
different scenes and situations and helps keep me from getting too myopic 
working only in ways I'm prone to if given the right tools.

I keep some half-frame stuff on Flickr. Bit of a mixed back, some of it is 
serious photo and some just snapshots for me, I try to post a mix of stuff 
since it's a bit of a more unusual and rarer camera just for the collective 
visual 
history. https://www.flickr.com/photos/zedmartinez/albums/72157693250301830

On Monday, September 24, 2018 at 12:41:14 PM UTC-4, Philip Williamson wrote:
>
> I marked this OT, but changed my mind, since Grant writes about and shoots 
> analog film.
> My question isn't about gear (no surprise if it goes there, though), it's 
> about subject matter. I have cameras, and film, and some okay ways to carry 
> them on the bike (suggestions there couldn't hurt).  
>
> What I'm looking for is inspiration as I build myself a rule-set for a 
> film photography project. On my morning commutes, I've been keeping my eye 
> out for "what would I shoot if I were shooting film" moments. 
>
> 1. What do you film photographers shoot when you shoot film? Do you 
> approach it differently than phone camera or digital shooting?
> 2. Do you cycle to shoot, or is it a wholly unrelated hobby? 
> 3. Anybody shoot color? I want to do this now, since a friend develops 
> color at home using a sous vide (cooking) setup to control temps.
>
> Please link to your images, if you care to share. I'd really like to see 
> what the film folk are doing.
>
> Philip
> Santa Rosa, CA
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Blahg Post Ethiopian Shoes

['Gary' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I have a similar story. I ordered my shoes on July 27 and inquired last 
week as well. I received the exact same nice reply. Since then I've not 
heard back from the "order team" and no shoes have arrived.

On Monday, September 24, 2018 at 11:00:47 AM UTC-4, masmojo wrote:
>
> I contacted them about my order and I recieved a very nice reply; the 
> "orders" dept was copied in & asked to give me a status & tracking number, 
> but I've yet to hear anything.
> It's been two months and although I don't characterize myself as a 
> suspicious or paranoid person, I am starting to think there's a problem. I 
>  suspect that there's likely a disconnect between the web site/ management 
> & production in Ethiopia. 
> I certainly hope I am wrong, but they've got a week or so, before I follow 
> up with my credit card company.

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[RBW] Re: Here's my new Atlantis

[Ash]

@Tully Lanter, 

@Mark Schneider,

@Zach Hale,


I have taken Appaloosa on all-day rides (including 100k twice, climb Mt 
Diablo, etc).  It has also done 15-20lbs grocery trips often,  carried my 
son (when he was between 40-45lbs) on rear rack mounted child seat several 
times, these days routinely pulls his Burley Piccolo, etc.  I have only 
taken the Atlantis for a few 7-8 miles rides and many short rides.  Based 
on that, here’s the comparison.  Appaloosa feels relatively more supple and 
comfortable.  The larger/ligher wheels (650B Atlas vs 26” Cliffhangers), 
slighly thinner frame tubing, fork design, longer wheelbase etc might be 
contributing factors (my uneducated guess).  The Atlantis on the other 
hand, feels stiffer and more nible/sprighty.  Atlantis seems to pick up the 
speed a bit faster.  They both are mighty capable bikes.  Much better than 
any other bike I have ever ridden.  These days I have a hard time deciding 
which one to pull out of the garage :)


@Doug H,


The light is mounted using Planet Bike’s Fork Mount headlight bracket.


@Ginz,

The handlebar!

This is the questions I have also asked here dozens of times :)

It is Surly Open Bar (the one with 40mm rais).   After trying this, 
Albatross and Bosco 55cm CrMo, I settle on the Bosco.  If a ride comes up 
that’s mostly expected to be on rough trails, I’ll be sure to switch to 
Open Bar temporarily. I mostly ride on city streets and paved/gravel 
trails.  Those are usually relaxed rides (<15mph) during which I often like 
to look around 180 deg like a Llama.  For this Bosco works the best.


@ctifusion,


The stem is NItto MT-52, from Blue Lug



On Monday, 24 September 2018 11:45:11 UTC-7, ctifusion wrote:
>
> I have to admit that I have been struggling with my Atlantis seeming too 
> bright and cheerful with silver parts and tan sidewall Compass tires. I've 
> never built a bike with black components (I've owned a couple that came 
> that way) but I've been thinking that the Atlantis would look great that 
> way, and your bike proves it! Very cool.
>
> I also love the Surly open bars and if it wasn't for my history of 
> avoiding black parts I would have used them for this build too. What stem 
> is that? Looks like an old Salsa. 
>
> Now I'm conflicted...
>
> Brynnar 
> Indy
>
>

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[RBW] Here's my new Atlantis

[A. Nostuh]

What are those beefy schwalbe tires?

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[RBW] Re: Here's my new Atlantis

[ctifusion]

I have to admit that I have been struggling with my Atlantis seeming too bright 
and cheerful with silver parts and tan sidewall Compass tires. I've never built 
a bike with black components (I've owned a couple that came that way) but I've 
been thinking that the Atlantis would look great that way, and your bike proves 
it! Very cool.

I also love the Surly open bars and if it wasn't for my history of avoiding 
black parts I would have used them for this build too. What stem is that? Looks 
like an old Salsa. 

Now I'm conflicted...

Brynnar 
Indy

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[RBW] Re: Strange experience on bike trail

[Bob B]

I've noticed this, too. After I switched to Bosco's on both of my bikes, it 
really seems to put pedestrians at ease, and 95 percent of my riding is in 
the city. 

Bob B
Brooklyn, NY

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[RBW] Re: Rambouillet vs. Roadeo?

[Lum Gim Fong]

I guess I mean that with my 11-32 T, 8-speed cassette I can go anywhere in my 
usual riding area with my 40T wide/low double big chain ring. Also my other 
bikes 43 chain ring. I used to ride triples all the time but was happy to 
discover I can get by with one chain ring and appropriate 8-speed cassette 
spread and never have to shift on the front unless I’m riding in unfamiliar 
terrain outside of my area which is almost never.

I suggested for those who don’t like front shifting or FDs, like me. Simpler 
setup. And with wide/low double with chainguard I don’t have to tuck my long 
pants into my sock to keep pants free of outer ring. Bonus.

Yes, if I went back to hilly event rides, I’d throw the FD back on for the 
steep stuff. But for my needs I like not having to front shift and contend with 
the occassional complaints from front derailer.

As for pro racers, I am sure they have very good and carefully thought out 
reasons for what they ride. After all, alot of money is at stake for them and 
they are not dummies.

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[RBW] Strange experience on bike trail

[Lum Gim Fong]

When I ride Bosco/Alba setups pedestrians smile and wave at me alot as I 
approach.
Almost never happens when riding drop setups.

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[RBW] Film photography - subject matter?

[Max S]

Portraits do it for me. (Due to the personal nature of most of them, I don’t 
share widely.) 

- Max “occasionally going with the (halide) grain” in A2

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[RBW] Re: Here's my new Atlantis

[phil k]

Wow Ash,

That looks very nice! I bet the ride is even nicer!

-PHil

On Monday, September 24, 2018 at 12:30:43 AM UTC-4, Ash wrote:
>
> Thought this color would go well with black componentry.  I think it does 
> like fine!
> Headset is still the shiny one.  Haven't had a chance to make a trip to my 
> LBS to swap it.
>
>
> More photos here, including side-by-side with my first Rivendell, the 
> Appaloosa.
> https://flic.kr/s/aHsmszGzbs
>
> sizes:
> Atlantis - 50cm
> Appaloosa - 51cm
>
>
> ps: still a rookie at attaching parts to a bike frame :)  comments are 
> quite welcome!  Do let me know if I've goofed up anything. 
>

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[RBW] Strange experience on bike trail

['Eric Myers' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I've been riding on the American River Bike Trail in (Sacramento, CA)  for 
about 10 years now, mostly on a bike with drop bars, and occasionally on a 
mountain bike.  Nearly all the cyclists who pass me call out "on your left" 
first, regardless of whether I'm riding alone or with my son, or on what 
bike.  But now on two out of two rides on the Sam Hillborne with Albatross 
bars only one (1) rider announced they were passing.  This was the case 
when were riding single file and double file.  I can't help but wonder if 
it has to do with the (significantly) more upright riding position being 
taken less seriously or something.  Are there any other similar experiences 
out there?

-Eric

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[RBW] Re: Problem with Roadinis?

[Adam Leibow]

hi Alan, will they let you take the blem one now, and potentially let you 
borrow a long reach brake for the time being? I would think that's what 
they'd do. And then ship you the corrected frame when it arrives? You 
should ask. Even so, I'd recommend waiting either way. Soma is a fine brand 
but a Rivendell is much more exciting, and worth the wait as many people 
have said already. I have test ridden a Roadini and it was really special. 

On Saturday, September 22, 2018 at 7:28:37 AM UTC-7, Alan H wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
> Looking for some feedback from folks here about the orange Roadinis.
>
> Last week I placed an order for one of the new orange Roadinis in a size 
> 50 (thanks to my darned 80 cm pbh). After a week without any news from Riv 
> (and having my cc charged), I called to find out when the bike would ship. 
> I was told that they had received a lot of orders and were running a light 
> crew because of Interbike and that my bike would pack and ship yesterday 
> (Friday).
>
> Yesterday I got a call from Vince saying that there was a problem. He told 
> me that the brake bridge on the orange Roadini frames was in the wrong 
> place and that standard road brake calipers wouldn't work. While he told me 
> the frame would work with longer pull brakes (like Tektros or Pauls), 
> frames with the correct brake bridge wouldn't be back in until December.
>
> Needless to say I'm a little disappointed and frustrated, especially since 
> I logged on here today and saw folks talking about their new orange 
> Roadinis. Has anyone else gotten a similar story from Riv? 
>
> On a related topic, since I'm apparently not getting a Roadini, does 
> anyone have experience with Soma's road frames? In particular I like the 
> look of the Stanyan 
>  in pearl 
> white. It has a geometry similar to their ES model and is a fully lugged 
> steel frame at a very attractive price point. The Roadini was obviously my 
> first choice, but I wonder how the Soma stacks up in terms of build and 
> ride qualities.
>
> Thanks in advance for you input!
>
> -Alan
>
>
>

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[RBW] FS: Nitto Big Front Rack

[Minh]

Hi all, switching things around up for sale is an older Nitto Big Front 
Rack, this is without the triangulation and without the extra mounting 
holes at the bottom.  I used this on a 56cm Hillborne--which worked well 
because this rack has extra eyelets so i could mount the rack and my 
fenders at the same time.  

a few scuffs, scratches in the rack but never crashed (by me at least), 
rack is straight.  includes 1 set of bolts and metal spacers, i also have 
some band clamps--though those are just home-depot specials if you need 
them too.  

$135 + shipping please, thanks for looking!


https://photos.app.goo.gl/CAHLRNk6bmk0aAsE3
https://photos.app.goo.gl/mP6DQrH1LnxUlK352

and a picture of it mounted (old one): 
https://photos.app.goo.gl/rkCy4rB9mhkEXJrD6
https://photos.app.goo.gl/X4eaozZyBq8kaWHb8

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[RBW] FS: Threaded Stems (nitto, vo)

[Minh]

Thanks to everyone that's helped clear out my parts box, just a few things 
left. prices do not include shipping, PM me with your zip to get final 
totals.

https://photos.app.goo.gl/gfIWhoNvVLhzpniq1

https://photos.app.goo.gl/DXtg9zL2FIC2u8XB2

https://photos.app.goo.gl/ri7taTaSyFW35fmo6


Velo Orange Grand Cru Quill Stem, 120mm New: $30

Nitto Technomic, 80mmx225: $20


Velo Orange Grand Cru Quill Stem: See specs at VO: 
https://velo-orange.com/collections/stems/products/grand-cru-quill-stem

120mm extension, super shiny, a few fine scratches from handling, but never 
mounted as far as i can tell, no insertion marks.  Has a mount for a temple 
bell.

Nitto technomic stem:

Classic riv popular stem, 80mm extension with 225mm quill.

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[RBW] Nitto Big Front Rack

[Minh]

Hi all, switching things around up for sale is an older Nitto Big Front 
Rack, this is without the triangulation and without the extra mounting 
holes at the bottom.  I used this on a 56cm Hillborne--which worked well 
because this rack has extra eyelets so i could mount the rack and my 
fenders at the same time.  

a few scuffs, scratches in the rack but never crashed (by me at least), 
rack is straight.  includes 1 set of bolts and metal spacers, i also have 
some band clamps--though those are just home-depot specials if you need 
them too.  

$135 + shipping please, thanks for looking!


https://photos.app.goo.gl/CAHLRNk6bmk0aAsE3
https://photos.app.goo.gl/mP6DQrH1LnxUlK352

and a picture of it mounted (old 
one): https://photos.app.goo.gl/rkCy4rB9mhkEXJrD6
https://photos.app.goo.gl/X4eaozZyBq8kaWHb8

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[RBW] Re: Rambouillet vs. Roadeo?

[Bill Schairer]

Good points or I thought are there rules?  But even spinning for a few minutes 
to recover must be faster than the near dead stops one often sees. Anyway, I've 
always wondered about it. Has a pro ever ridden a triple in the big races?

Bill

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[RBW] Film photography - subject matter?

[Philip Williamson]

I marked this OT, but changed my mind, since Grant writes about and shoots 
analog film.
My question isn't about gear (no surprise if it goes there, though), it's 
about subject matter. I have cameras, and film, and some okay ways to carry 
them on the bike (suggestions there couldn't hurt).  

What I'm looking for is inspiration as I build myself a rule-set for a film 
photography project. On my morning commutes, I've been keeping my eye out 
for "what would I shoot if I were shooting film" moments. 

1. What do you film photographers shoot when you shoot film? Do you 
approach it differently than phone camera or digital shooting?
2. Do you cycle to shoot, or is it a wholly unrelated hobby? 
3. Anybody shoot color? I want to do this now, since a friend develops 
color at home using a sous vide (cooking) setup to control temps.

Please link to your images, if you care to share. I'd really like to see 
what the film folk are doing.

Philip
Santa Rosa, CA

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[RBW] Re: FS: 52-cm Clem-L

[Alan H]

You're right. The one I'm selling has the larger size seat post. I also 
have a newer, 45-cm  Clem (that's not for sale) with the 26.8 seat post, so 
I assumed that's what the 52 had...Yet another example of why I shouldn't 
assume things...

On Sunday, September 23, 2018 at 4:59:54 PM UTC-7, Jeremy Till wrote:
>
> The first gen Clem H frames with the fixed angle seat lug and swoopy seat 
> stays take a 29.8mmm seatpost. 

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[RBW] Re: Problem with Roadinis?

[Alan H]

Thanks for the input. That speed difference is huge! Two things that jumped 
out at me, one regarding the speed difference and the other the fit.

1. Based on the current websites the 48-cm ES uses a 700c wheel, whereas 
the 47-cm Roadini uses a 650b. I don't have a lot of experience with direct 
speed comparisons between wheel sizes, but could this be a factor? It would 
certainly explain why racers prefer the larger wheel size.

2. Again, based on data from the current website, the 48-cm ES has a seat 
tube angle of 75-degrees, whereas the 47-cm Roadini has a seat tube angle 
of 72 degrees. Assuming a saddle height of 65-cm (and that I remember how 
to do trigonometry), that means a zero-setback saddle mount will be 16.8 cm 
behind the pedals on the ES and 20.1 cm behind the pedals for the Roadini. 
So for the same seat post attached in the same rail position, the saddle 
will be about 3.3-cm (1.3") further behind the pedals on the Roadini than 
it is on the ES. Considering a Thompson seat post only changes the seat 
bout about 1.6-cm (0.6") between the straight and setback versions, it 
seems like it would be very difficult to get the seat in the same position 
for the two bikes.  The difference *might* lead to the feeling that you're 
behind the pedals on the Roadini and the pedals are behind you on the ES. A 
straight seat post on the Roadini with the saddle as far forward on the 
rails as possible might feel the same as a setback seat post on the ES with 
the saddle as far back on the rails as possible. Of course then all you'd 
have done was to make the Roadini feel as uncomfortable as the ES, which 
hardly seems worth the effort.


On Sunday, September 23, 2018 at 7:34:41 PM UTC-7, G.E. wrote:
>
> Just thought I'd throw in my experience, for what it may be worth. 
>
> I currently own a Roadini (non-orange) and have owned a Soma ES in the 
> past (also had a Riv-made-for-Soma San Marcos). I am a vertically 
> challenged rider, so my experience may not be the same as someone who rides 
> a more standard size; however, comparing the 47cm Roadini to the 46 (now 
> 48) cm ES, the Roadini fits me better, but I both felt and physically was 
> faster on the ES - significantly faster (averaging 3-5mph faster on 20-40 
> mile rides). The Soma geometry seems to not be quite right for me so that 
> my body sits in a rather odd position with pedals too far behind me. The 
> Roadini is more comfortable, which in theory allows the body to handle 
> longer distances, but the slower speeds leave me frustrated on many rides. 
>
> My ES was actually set up with "worse" parts than the Roadini (the ES was 
> equipped with Sora level components while the Roadini is built with 
> Ultegra), but the ES was a speedier ride, even with the lower level 
> components. So, depending on what I was looking for, and assuming that 
> Soma's geometry works for the rider, I wouldn't necessarily be against 
> purchasing a Soma. Though with that said, I wouldn't reject the Riv either 
> as others that I've heard from haven't had the same experience I've had and 
> sometimes comfort is more important to the rider than the speedometer. :)
>
> On Saturday, September 22, 2018 at 8:28:37 AM UTC-6, Alan H wrote:
>>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> Looking for some feedback from folks here about the orange Roadinis.
>>
>> Last week I placed an order for one of the new orange Roadinis in a size 
>> 50 (thanks to my darned 80 cm pbh). After a week without any news from Riv 
>> (and having my cc charged), I called to find out when the bike would ship. 
>> I was told that they had received a lot of orders and were running a light 
>> crew because of Interbike and that my bike would pack and ship yesterday 
>> (Friday).
>>
>> Yesterday I got a call from Vince saying that there was a problem. He 
>> told me that the brake bridge on the orange Roadini frames was in the wrong 
>> place and that standard road brake calipers wouldn't work. While he told me 
>> the frame would work with longer pull brakes (like Tektros or Pauls), 
>> frames with the correct brake bridge wouldn't be back in until December.
>>
>> Needless to say I'm a little disappointed and frustrated, especially 
>> since I logged on here today and saw folks talking about their new orange 
>> Roadinis. Has anyone else gotten a similar story from Riv? 
>>
>> On a related topic, since I'm apparently not getting a Roadini, does 
>> anyone have experience with Soma's road frames? In particular I like the 
>> look of the Stanyan 
>>  in pearl 
>> white. It has a geometry similar to their ES model and is a fully lugged 
>> steel frame at a very attractive price point. The Roadini was obviously my 
>> first choice, but I wonder how the Soma stacks up in terms of build and 
>> ride qualities.
>>
>> Thanks in advance for you input!
>>
>> -Alan
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Here's my new Atlantis

[Zach Hale]

How do you like it compared to the Appaloosa?

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[RBW] Re: Rambouillet vs. Roadeo?

[Max S]

For one, triple cranks have wider tread / Q factor. Some people are sensitive 
to even 5 mm differences, and racers are perhaps the most sensitive segment. 
Plus greater chances of dropping chains, etc. etc. And time cut-offs... 
spinning in a granny may be too slow to make it. 

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[RBW] Re: Rambouillet vs. Roadeo?

[Bill Schairer]

I just see no reason not to go with a triple.  I’ve got a 1x in traffic on my 
middle ring not too badly cross chained all the way up and down where I can go 
from a dead stop all the way up into the 20’s.  I’ve got my granny for steep 
hills or long climbs where I want a better chainline or I’m tired or have a 
heavy load and I’ve got a slightly bigger chainring for a bit higher end or 
better chainline or for half stepping to find the perfect gear on longer runs.  
I don’t need no pins or ramps and I try to find rings so I have no duplicate 
gears. Range plus small steps plus better chainlines - I’ve just never 
understood why not.  I don’t care if you’ve got 20 cogs on the back the gap 
between 11T and 12T is always the same but I can half step it.  Obviously, it 
is a personal thing but those are my reasons and would never envision myself 
riding a double regularly because no matter what I can do with a 1x or 2x, I 
can do it better with a 3x.  If I ever do buy a “race” bike, first change I 
would make is to put a triple on it.

I’ve often wondered why the domestiques don’t ride triples.  Rather than coming 
to a grinding halt when their turn is done, they could drop to the granny and 
be fresher the next day? If it is a few grams then why not shave the beard and 
head or lose the jewelry? I suspect it is an image thing but then I’ve never 
raced so I really don’t know anything at all.

Bill

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[RBW] Re: WTB: Non-aero levers + Dirt Drop/similar stem

[Tully Lanter]

Thanks, all. All set for now!

On Monday, September 24, 2018 at 7:47:31 AM UTC-7, RichS wrote:
>
> Tully,
>
> Just sent you a PM.
>
> Regards,
> Rich in ATL
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Blahg Post Ethiopian Shoes

[Doug Hansford]

Does anyone know whether GP received his order?
Doug 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 24, 2018, at 11:00 AM, masmojo  wrote:
> 
> I contacted them about my order and I recieved a very nice reply; the 
> "orders" dept was copied in & asked to give me a status & tracking number, 
> but I've yet to hear anything.
> It's been two months and although I don't characterize myself as a suspicious 
> or paranoid person, I am starting to think there's a problem. I  suspect that 
> there's likely a disconnect between the web site/ management & production in 
> Ethiopia. 
> I certainly hope I am wrong, but they've got a week or so, before I follow up 
> with my credit card company.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Blahg Post Ethiopian Shoes

[masmojo]

I contacted them about my order and I recieved a very nice reply; the "orders" 
dept was copied in & asked to give me a status & tracking number, but I've yet 
to hear anything.
It's been two months and although I don't characterize myself as a suspicious 
or paranoid person, I am starting to think there's a problem. I  suspect that 
there's likely a disconnect between the web site/ management & production in 
Ethiopia. 
I certainly hope I am wrong, but they've got a week or so, before I follow up 
with my credit card company.

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[RBW] Re: Problem with Roadinis?

['Mojo' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I ordered a Riv Road custom in 2001, designed for 28mm tires, 32mm max, 
because who needs bigger road tires than that? (Times have changed, 
thoughts evolved. :-)) The frame came looking beautiful. But my Dura Ace 
7400 rear brake wouldn't reach the rim. Like PatrickM my rear brake bridge 
was too high. After discussing with Grant, I ground the bottom of my brake 
caliper to get it to fit. It has been no problem for the last 17 years. As 
Eamon pointed out I am now frustrated that my rear wheel can take a Jack 
Brown tire and the front cannot. I wish Rivendell had made that mistake on 
the front brake spacing too!

To comment on G.E.'s experience, I have found different tires to make a 
average speed difference. Perhaps that's some of the difference? From my 
experience, differences in other components or normal, not extreme, frame 
variations would create no more than some small fraction of a mph speed 
difference, if any.

Joe in GJT

On Saturday, September 22, 2018 at 9:39:14 PM UTC-6, Alan H wrote:
>
> I talked to Vince at Riv again today. So apparently the issue is that the 
>> bike was designed with the bridge as far away as possible to max out the 57 
>> mm brakes. Unfortunately the bridge was made with the bridge 1 mm too far 
>> out so that the pads won't quite clear the tire without filing out the hole 
>> a bit (like Patrick mentioned doing on his custom). 
>>
>
> Based on the feedback I got here and from Vince and from carefully 
> considering what I really want, I've opted to just wait until the in-spec 
> frames are delivered in November or December. I'm lucky to have a Clem and 
> a Homer to ride in the mean time so I'll wait for the road bike that I 
> really want rather than settle for something just because I can get it now.
>
> Thanks to you all for helping me work through this and from helping me not 
> make the decision I would regret!
>
>

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[RBW] WTB: Non-aero levers + Dirt Drop/similar stem

[RichS]

Tully,

Just sent you a PM.

Regards,
Rich in ATL

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[RBW] Re: Problem with Roadinis?

[phil k]

Alan, I understand your frustration. I've paid twice more for a semi-custom 
production frame and have had problems.

I would wait until December, that is, if you already have a bike. I think 
Riv's are always worth the couple months of waiting.

Phil

On Saturday, September 22, 2018 at 10:28:37 AM UTC-4, Alan H wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
> Looking for some feedback from folks here about the orange Roadinis.
>
> Last week I placed an order for one of the new orange Roadinis in a size 
> 50 (thanks to my darned 80 cm pbh). After a week without any news from Riv 
> (and having my cc charged), I called to find out when the bike would ship. 
> I was told that they had received a lot of orders and were running a light 
> crew because of Interbike and that my bike would pack and ship yesterday 
> (Friday).
>
> Yesterday I got a call from Vince saying that there was a problem. He told 
> me that the brake bridge on the orange Roadini frames was in the wrong 
> place and that standard road brake calipers wouldn't work. While he told me 
> the frame would work with longer pull brakes (like Tektros or Pauls), 
> frames with the correct brake bridge wouldn't be back in until December.
>
> Needless to say I'm a little disappointed and frustrated, especially since 
> I logged on here today and saw folks talking about their new orange 
> Roadinis. Has anyone else gotten a similar story from Riv? 
>
> On a related topic, since I'm apparently not getting a Roadini, does 
> anyone have experience with Soma's road frames? In particular I like the 
> look of the Stanyan 
>  in pearl 
> white. It has a geometry similar to their ES model and is a fully lugged 
> steel frame at a very attractive price point. The Roadini was obviously my 
> first choice, but I wonder how the Soma stacks up in terms of build and 
> ride qualities.
>
> Thanks in advance for you input!
>
> -Alan
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Swift Industries, Ruthworks, Bob Jackson, Compass, etc.

[DB]

Update on what's still available.  Please note, I'm not interested in 
shipping the frames at the moment.  Also, please direct message me. 
 Unfortunately, I didn't see the replies to this thread until I went to 
update this ad.

MKS Toe Clips (M) new $10

Nitto Stem (short insert) $25

Front Derailleurs:
Shimano CX 70 $10
Shimano 105 $15
Shimano Ultegra $20

Rear Derailleurs (9 Speed). 
Shimano Dura Ace 7703 (medium cage) $60 (pending)
I also found a Shimano 105 RD.  Long cage, works great with 9 speed.

Tune Titanium Skewers (100/135) $45

Soma Grand Randonneur (lightweight version).  These have about 1500 miles 
on them.  Dirty but in good shape. $30 (pending)

Tektro Sidepulls $10
Shimano Sidepulls $40

Set of rackless Ruthworks bags. Small hole in the wedge but still solid. 
 Rando and Wedge. $100 for the set.

Frames (no shipping, pickup only)
56cm Trek 620 with Chris King headset and Shimano CX 70 brakes.  Leaving 
these on as you'll have trouble finding modern brakes that work with the 
post spacing on this frame.  $200
55cm Bob Jackson rando frame.  Seized Nitto seatpost.  Remove it and you've 
got a free seat post!  Saddle not included $100 (pending)


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>
> I just sent a PM for the Ozette. Would also be interested in the Loup 
> Loup. 

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[RBW] Re: Here's my new Atlantis

[Ginz]

I'll go ahead with the obligatory "which handlebar is that" question... :)


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[RBW] Re: Problem with Roadinis?

[Ryan M.]

I'd be interested to hear the tire and wheel differences in your two 
builds. 3 to 5mph seems excessive, but not if we are talking knobby on 
heavy wheels vs. slick on light wheels. Also, are the fits that much 
different?  If your body sits a lot differently on the Riv compared to the 
Soma you can be killing off some power potential. (I seem to be suffering 
from this on my cross bike which I just cannot get fit to me 
properly...probably will be on the lookout for something different this 
winter.)

On Sunday, September 23, 2018 at 9:34:41 PM UTC-5, G.E. wrote:
>
> Just thought I'd throw in my experience, for what it may be worth. 
>
> I currently own a Roadini (non-orange) and have owned a Soma ES in the 
> past (also had a Riv-made-for-Soma San Marcos). I am a vertically 
> challenged rider, so my experience may not be the same as someone who rides 
> a more standard size; however, comparing the 47cm Roadini to the 46 (now 
> 48) cm ES, the Roadini fits me better, but I both felt and physically was 
> faster on the ES - significantly faster (averaging 3-5mph faster on 20-40 
> mile rides). The Soma geometry seems to not be quite right for me so that 
> my body sits in a rather odd position with pedals too far behind me. The 
> Roadini is more comfortable, which in theory allows the body to handle 
> longer distances, but the slower speeds leave me frustrated on many rides. 
>
> My ES was actually set up with "worse" parts than the Roadini (the ES was 
> equipped with Sora level components while the Roadini is built with 
> Ultegra), but the ES was a speedier ride, even with the lower level 
> components. So, depending on what I was looking for, and assuming that 
> Soma's geometry works for the rider, I wouldn't necessarily be against 
> purchasing a Soma. Though with that said, I wouldn't reject the Riv either 
> as others that I've heard from haven't had the same experience I've had and 
> sometimes comfort is more important to the rider than the speedometer. :)
>
> On Saturday, September 22, 2018 at 8:28:37 AM UTC-6, Alan H wrote:
>>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> Looking for some feedback from folks here about the orange Roadinis.
>>
>> Last week I placed an order for one of the new orange Roadinis in a size 
>> 50 (thanks to my darned 80 cm pbh). After a week without any news from Riv 
>> (and having my cc charged), I called to find out when the bike would ship. 
>> I was told that they had received a lot of orders and were running a light 
>> crew because of Interbike and that my bike would pack and ship yesterday 
>> (Friday).
>>
>> Yesterday I got a call from Vince saying that there was a problem. He 
>> told me that the brake bridge on the orange Roadini frames was in the wrong 
>> place and that standard road brake calipers wouldn't work. While he told me 
>> the frame would work with longer pull brakes (like Tektros or Pauls), 
>> frames with the correct brake bridge wouldn't be back in until December.
>>
>> Needless to say I'm a little disappointed and frustrated, especially 
>> since I logged on here today and saw folks talking about their new orange 
>> Roadinis. Has anyone else gotten a similar story from Riv? 
>>
>> On a related topic, since I'm apparently not getting a Roadini, does 
>> anyone have experience with Soma's road frames? In particular I like the 
>> look of the Stanyan 
>>  in pearl 
>> white. It has a geometry similar to their ES model and is a fully lugged 
>> steel frame at a very attractive price point. The Roadini was obviously my 
>> first choice, but I wonder how the Soma stacks up in terms of build and 
>> ride qualities.
>>
>> Thanks in advance for you input!
>>
>> -Alan
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Problem with Roadinis?

[Max S]

GE, that’s a very interesting account. Not doubting your experience, but would 
be curious to see photos of each bike, and maybe your position on each. 3 MPH 
difference in average speed over a 20-40 mile ride is a *huge* amount, in my 
experience, that is unlikely to come from differences in quality of components 
or bike frame — only large differences in fit, or an odd coincidence of rest / 
fitness levels. (You did say “pedals behind me”, which is odd, as pedals are 
always in front or below of the body on a normally set up diamond frame... 
unless you’re doing it Chris Boardman style time trial.) 

- Max “if it does not fit, you must not sit” in A2

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[RBW] Re: Aspen Luminaries

[Mark Schneider]

That's quite beautiful Patrick, thank you, your pictures and writing are 
very calming and serene!

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>
> In which the choir of the Highland Cathedral sighs gentle breezes through 
> the aspen lights.
> https://thegrid.ai/withabandon/aspen-luminaries
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
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[RBW] Re: Here's my new Atlantis

[Mark Schneider]

Very nice, how do you like the ride? Is there much difference between the 
two bikes?
On Sunday, September 23, 2018 at 9:30:43 PM UTC-7, Ash wrote:
>
> Thought this color would go well with black componentry.  I think it does 
> like fine!
> Headset is still the shiny one.  Haven't had a chance to make a trip to my 
> LBS to swap it.
>
>
> More photos here, including side-by-side with my first Rivendell, the 
> Appaloosa.
> https://flic.kr/s/aHsmszGzbs
>
> sizes:
> Atlantis - 50cm
> Appaloosa - 51cm
>
>
> ps: still a rookie at attaching parts to a bike frame :)  comments are 
> quite welcome!  Do let me know if I've goofed up anything. 
>

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[RBW] Re: Here's my new Atlantis

['Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Looks great!!   I always enjoy seeing people mixing it up with black 
components and non-Riv handlebars on a Rivendell.  



On Sunday, September 23, 2018 at 11:30:43 PM UTC-5, Ash wrote:
>
> Thought this color would go well with black componentry.  I think it does 
> like fine!
> Headset is still the shiny one.  Haven't had a chance to make a trip to my 
> LBS to swap it.
>
>
> More photos here, including side-by-side with my first Rivendell, the 
> Appaloosa.
> https://flic.kr/s/aHsmszGzbs
>
> sizes:
> Atlantis - 50cm
> Appaloosa - 51cm
>
>
> ps: still a rookie at attaching parts to a bike frame :)  comments are 
> quite welcome!  Do let me know if I've goofed up anything. 
>

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[RBW] Re: Here's my new Atlantis

[Doug H.]

I like the black as well. Nice contrast. What is the front light mounted 
onto?
Doug

On Monday, September 24, 2018 at 12:30:43 AM UTC-4, Ash wrote:
>
> Thought this color would go well with black componentry.  I think it does 
> like fine!
> Headset is still the shiny one.  Haven't had a chance to make a trip to my 
> LBS to swap it.
>
>
> More photos here, including side-by-side with my first Rivendell, the 
> Appaloosa.
> https://flic.kr/s/aHsmszGzbs
>
> sizes:
> Atlantis - 50cm
> Appaloosa - 51cm
>
>
> ps: still a rookie at attaching parts to a bike frame :)  comments are 
> quite welcome!  Do let me know if I've goofed up anything. 
>

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[RBW] BUMP! different prices FS: Marks Rack/ Nitto M32/ Makeshifter Outback saddlebag

[Michael Williams]

Hey group,  a few items for sale,  all in really great shape, prices include 
shipping.   I can email you pics if you’re interested.
Nitto Marks Rack: $90
Nitto m32 Rack: $80
Makeshifter Outback saddlebag: Tan waxed canvas with pink/ teal wool accent 
triangles.: $175

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[RBW] Aspen Luminaries

[in Dallas nick]

I really enjoyed the pictures and words. 


Patrick. 




Glorious! 




Thanks for sharing.




Paul in Dallas 




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[RBW] Re: Aspen Luminaries

[ascpgh]

Gorgeous. 

Patrick, you get the prize for documenting the beginning of autumn. those 
Aspen remind me of what had to go through the mind of the architect Edward 
Durrell Stone when he envisioned chapels. 

One he designed that I used to ride to from my Ozark home: 
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/06/21/arkansas-thorncrown-chapel_n_5515375.html
 Another 
near you if you were to dare the descent from Rampart Reservoir: 
http://fa2016.thedude.oucreate.com/uncategorized/air-force-academy-chapel/ Very 
aero-spacey. I prefer the prior myself. 

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh

On Sunday, September 23, 2018 at 10:04:55 PM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> In which the choir of the Highland Cathedral sighs gentle breezes through 
> the aspen lights.
> https://thegrid.ai/withabandon/aspen-luminaries
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> www.CredoFamily.org
> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org
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[RBW] Re: Roadini - How do you like yours?

[Joe Bernard]

G.E., your particular Sam may just fit you better, plus your body is well 
adapted to it. My guess is the Roadini is noticeably lighter/faster-feeling 
than the stouter touring-ish Rivs, but I wouldn't expect it to be a significant 
change from Sam, just cheaper and less braze-ons. 

For example, coming off the Clems I've owned - H and L - it's a markedly faster 
bike. Compared to my Cheviot? The differences are mainly that the Roadini is 
easier to move around my apartment with shorter stays, the tires are skinnier 
and taller, and the toptube is way up there. I perceive no speed difference. 

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Re: [RBW] Here's my new Atlantis

[Patrick Moore]

That's an interesting contrast with the usual Rivendell aesthetic. I think
it looks good.

On Sun, Sep 23, 2018 at 10:30 PM, Ash  wrote:

> Thought this color would go well with black componentry.  I think it does
> like fine!
> Headset is still the shiny one.  Haven't had a chance to make a trip to my
> LBS to swap it.
>
>
> More photos here, including side-by-side with my first Rivendell, the
> Appaloosa.
> https://flic.kr/s/aHsmszGzbs
>
> sizes:
> Atlantis - 50cm
> Appaloosa - 51cm
>
>
> ps: still a rookie at attaching parts to a bike frame :)  comments are
> quite welcome!  Do let me know if I've goofed up anything.
>
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