[RBW] Re: How young is too young for a boy to get a hatchet?

[sameness]

Sounds like a Minutemen B-side.

Jeff Hagedorn
Los Angeles, CA USA

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[RBW] How young is too young for a boy to get a hatchet?

[Lum Gim Fong]

You let your child out on his own on the streets of DC at 7-10 years old?!?!?!

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[RBW] How young is too young for a boy to get a hatchet?

[Justin, Oakland]

I taught 2nd graders how to prepare a meal using kitchen knives, measuring and 
cooking over open flame. Do the hatchet. Teach well and you’ll give him 
confidence for life. 

-J

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[RBW] FT: PAul Racer Medium High Polish for Paul Racers

[Brian Campbell]

I have a set of unused Paul Racer Medium brakes w/ pads and a funky monkey 
1 1/8th stop. Looking for a set of nice Racers with longer reach for my 
project. Prefer silver or high polish.  I can send pics. Have the brake 
boxes and and unused set of Kool stop salmon thinlines.

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[RBW] How young is too young for a boy to get a hatchet?

[Drw]

I teach art and basic woodshopping to kids this age. I’ll second the idea that 
it’s about building up to it, skillwise, rather than a specific age. I’m also 
not sure it’s a responsibility issue either. There are certain safety things 
you just learn with practice and exposure. I’ve had very responsible kids make 
very dangerous mistakes simply because they hadn’t had enough exposure to a 
tool to understand the ways it moves and what happens when your hand is in the 
way. I think I’d go pocket knife-regular knife-hatchet- with a project or 5 
based around each tool, before moving on. 
My dad gave me a hatchet when I was maybe 10 or so, but he had had me making 
kindling with his for years at that point. 

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[RBW] How young is too young for a boy to get a hatchet?

[Philip Williamson]

Ten seems like the right age to me, but all children are different.
I’d say trust your judgment, and trust your kid. It worked out for my kid (in 
my opinion).

My friend was over with her 14 month old, who just LOVED running around in my 
back yard. He was standing next to a metal yard-art thing with sharp rusty 
“leaves” at the same height as his blond little noggin. I touched his head and 
said, “Hey those are sharp.” He just smiled. I shrugged and said, “You’ll 
learn,” and turned my attention back to the adult conversation. His mom was 
laughing really hard. She said, “I was just listening to a podcast about Lazy 
Parenting!” 

I tell that story to illustrate that my perspective may not be your 
perspective. Also, it takes a lot of work to be a “lazy” parent and let kids 
take the right amount of responsibility for themselves.

Philip
Santa Rosa, CA

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[RBW] Re: How young is too young for a boy to get a hatchet?

[Mark Schneider]

My son was ready at 10, but he grew up in the forest and had helped me deal 
with fire wood for years. He was very responsible with handling an axe (and 
a knife) so he was definitely ready. Ultimately you have to make the 
judgement on his maturity, level and his capabilities.
Your son sounds mature enough, I'd give him a shot with it, show him how to 
maintain it and monitor him, see how he takes care of it.


Mark

On Tuesday, December 4, 2018 at 6:36:45 PM UTC-8, Steven Seelig wrote:
>
> I'm inspired by the new shipment Riv has of the Gransfors Bruk Hatchet, 
> but not for me.  My son is turning 10, and at some time in the past, 
> probably when he was 5, I told him he could get one when he turned 10.  
> Little did I know he would remember.  He's a handy and inquisitive fellow, 
> and my parenting view has always been to let him do stuff on his own.  He 
> has ridden his bike by himself to the local market here in the wilds of the 
> city of DC since he was about 7 and seems to be semi-responsible when on 
> his own.  
>
> We do bike camping together, so there could be a need for a hatchet to 
> chop wood for fires, but as a Grateful Dead head I'm aware that Jerry 
> Garcia's brother axed off his middle finger when Jerry was 6.  It worked 
> out for him.
>
> My wife seems okay with letting me decide, which in most circumstances is 
> a green light.  I think a hatchet would be better than something with a 
> longer handle.  And I am willing to get him something good he can own his 
> entire life.
>
> Any perspectives?
>
> Steve
>

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[RBW] How young is too young for a boy to get a hatchet?

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Has he experience with proper care and use of knife? A hatchet is the same 
thing, but will cause more harm faster, so we’ve waited until several years of 
knife experience and proper care (usually starting at 6-7) with our daughters 
before they got to handle the hatchet.

With abandon,
Patrick

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Re: [RBW] Re: Two projects!

[bruce.herbit...@gmail.com]

 working with another list member, we found a source in MS who made them for us 
at a reasonable price. They came out pretty well I think, and I'll post 
pictures after the job is done. 
On Tuesday, December 4, 2018, 7:49:17 PM CST, RichS 
 wrote:  
 
 Bruce,

Fun for sure! Like getting two new bikes. What are you using for decals? As I 
recall, Ram decals are no longer available.

Looking forward to the photos. 

Best regards,
Rich in ATL 

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[RBW] How young is too young for a boy to get a hatchet?

[Steven Seelig]

I'm inspired by the new shipment Riv has of the Gransfors Bruk Hatchet, but 
not for me.  My son is turning 10, and at some time in the past, probably 
when he was 5, I told him he could get one when he turned 10.  Little did I 
know he would remember.  He's a handy and inquisitive fellow, and my 
parenting view has always been to let him do stuff on his own.  He has 
ridden his bike by himself to the local market here in the wilds of the 
city of DC since he was about 7 and seems to be semi-responsible when on 
his own.  

We do bike camping together, so there could be a need for a hatchet to chop 
wood for fires, but as a Grateful Dead head I'm aware that Jerry Garcia's 
brother axed off his middle finger when Jerry was 6.  It worked out for him.

My wife seems okay with letting me decide, which in most circumstances is a 
green light.  I think a hatchet would be better than something with a 
longer handle.  And I am willing to get him something good he can own his 
entire life.

Any perspectives?

Steve

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[RBW] Re: Two projects!

[RichS]

Bruce,

Fun for sure! Like getting two new bikes. What are you using for decals? As I 
recall, Ram decals are no longer available.

Looking forward to the photos. 

Best regards,
Rich in ATL 

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Re: [RBW] Re: long reach calipers in the wet?

[Patrick Moore]

I recently swapped out the OEM cheepo dual pivot front brake on the Hon
Solo for a 559; pads near the bottom of slot. The 559 is better, but not as
hugely better as I had hoped, despite the Kool Stop salmon pads. I have to
say that this must be the nature of the beast.

On Tue, Dec 4, 2018 at 7:15 AM phil k  wrote:

> Eric,
>
> I've found Tektro 559's to be suboptimal for 650b conversions, mostly
> because they had to be at the bottom of the slot to make it work. I believe
> Tektro 559s on a bike like the Hilsen with 65mm brake reach will feel much
> better.
>
> Even still, you can put Paul Racers on these, and they will feel
> excellent. I had the caliper Hillborne and Cheviot with Racers and they
> felt great braking in the wet.
>
> -Phil
>
> Arlington, VA
>
> On Tuesday, December 4, 2018 at 7:40:17 AM UTC-5, Eric Daume wrote:
>>
>> While I'm hemming and hawing over Reid's Joe Appaloosa for sale, I find
>> my eye also wandering over to the new MIT Hilsens. The sizing looks good,
>> love the color, nary an extra tube to be found (though I'm warming up to
>> the extra tubes). But, it uses the long reach R559 type brake. I've used
>> this brake (and the DC Mod 750) on previous 650b conversions, and it hasn't
>> been a great experience. They work OK in the dry, but when the rims are
>> wet, the stopping power was terrible. As a test, I sprayed my front rim
>> with my water bottle, and the R559 brakes took twice the distance to stop
>> as my V brake equipped Clem. That was with salmon pads on the R559.
>> Mountain bike style levers on both bikes.
>>
>> So, does anyone have a setup that works in the wet for long reach brakes?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Eric
>> who should just stick to my rule of "V brakes or discs or pass it by"
>>
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[RBW] ISO wool cycling sweaters and (knit) vests

[Patrick Moore]

I'm looking for mid-weight (typical winter jersey weight) sweater and vest
for mid-layering in cold weather; something to wear over a jersey and, if
need be, under a shell. I'm looking in both cases for designs with high,
zipped or buttoned necks, like the Rivendell Wooly Warm vest and its
long-sleeved cousin.

Wool, of course; and cut trim but not tight (this rules out just getting
another winter jersey in a large size), and long. No need for pockets.

Neutral, medium to dark colors.

Anyone?

Thanks, Patrick

PS: Anecdote about what a good tailor can do for one's riding pants. A
couple of year ago I bought 2 pr of Endura riding pants from an online
source in Spain; good price: $140 each, a considerable markdown. I ordered
Large per their sizing chart.

Alas, the stupid things were cut in hipster jeans style, that is, with very
low waist, even though the rear was "cut for cycling and did rise higher
than the (absurdly low) front. And of course, though the size charge said
that the waist sizes they would fit included 34, in fact they must have
been 38s.

I had them altered by a tailor who did a sh*t job, but just recently took
them in to a new tailor shop nearby. The young man did something to the
waist that makes them fit perfectly -- albeit too low, still. He also
cleaned up the work done by the earlier tailor. But now 90+/100 instead of
70/100. I left pr #2 for the same treatment and wore pr #1 today for a nice
early-winter ride (40 high, windy, damp).

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[RBW] Re: long reach calipers in the wet?

[Justin, Oakland]

Regardless of brake caliper I’ve found that using compressionless housing of 
some kind and a the right lever goes a long way. For some reason the Paul canto 
levers just feel stronger to me and correspond with better braking. 

I prefer my Paul Racers on my Saluki to my rXXX long reach Tektros on my 
converted Trek 710/650b but the Tektros feel better with SRAM levers and 
compressionles housing than I ever remember before. 

None of this is objective. And depends on your skill with setup.

-J

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[RBW] Re: Riv Allrounder Cockpit/Parts Change Up

[chris feczko]

Beautiful bike craig!

Love the rat traps?

Chris

Sunnyside, NY

On Monday, 3 December 2018 18:16:11 UTC-5, Craig Montgomery wrote:
>
> I've gone through all those permutations, including Bullmoose, on my AR 
> over the past two decades. Have  short arms/torso which makes positioning 
> problematic. Eventually settled back onto drops, but this time VO 
> Randonneurs. For me it was the lack of hand positions on long tours that 
> killed the Bullmoose. With the moustache bars it was the too low position 
> without having the stem up around your chin. I rode with Noodles for years 
> but the VO Randonneurs with their long reach and palm-filling slight uplift 
> on the straight sections was the clincher. Plus the shallow drop allowed an 
> on-the-drops climbing steep dirt grades position that was comfortable but 
> allowed a wee bit of stretch for a sore back. Don't think I'll be going 
> back for the duration.
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/24722971@N05/30815388927/in/dateposted/
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/24722971@N05/31871620308/in/dateposted/
>
> Craig in Tucson
>
> On Thursday, November 29, 2018 at 8:38:18 AM UTC-7, Addison wrote:
>>
>> Over the years I've had my beloved AR in various configurations in terms 
>> of hbars and such.  You can see various incarnations here if interested:
>>
>>
>> http://reno-rambler.blogspot.com/2013/01/rivendell-allrounder-jack-of-all.html
>>
>> I'm currently a bit inspired by some recent photos of Hunqapillar builds 
>> to perhaps change it up yet again with Nitto BullMoose and swap the current 
>> DeerHead Derailleurs for the fairly pristine 1993 XT group that is on my 
>> 1993 Bstone MB-2.  Thinking of a more mountain/rough stuff build.  I'm 
>> curious the collective thoughts on changing over to the Bullmoose in terms 
>> of cockpit fit.  I've had Noodles, Moustaches, and currently an Albatross 
>> bar on this bike.  One thing I've learned with this frame is that it does 
>> so many things so well it's hard to stay satisfied with one build.  First 
>> world problems
>>
>> Cheers in Reno where a light snow is falling and I'm sick at home trying 
>> to amuse myself
>>
>> Addison Wilhite, M.A. 
>>
>> Academy of Arts, Careers and Technology 
>>  
>>
>> *“Blazing the Trail to College and Career Success”*
>>
>> Educator: Professional Portfolio 
>>
>> Blogger: Reno Rambler 
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Sackville Bags

[Tim Bantham]

Pam, yes same Email address. I'll send you a direct message. 

On Tuesday, December 4, 2018 at 8:42:35 AM UTC-5, Pam Bikes wrote:
>
> I'd like the banana sack.  Let me know if this email is the same for 
> Paypal and what shipping will be to 28205.
> Thanks
> Pam
>
> On Monday, November 26, 2018 at 7:51:09 PM UTC-5, Tim Bantham wrote:
>>
>> Hello Rivendell Friends,
>>
>> I have *four* Sackville Bags up for sale. Price does not include 
>> shipping. If you have interest in any of the bags I will work with you to 
>> quote a fair shipping price. 
>>
>> *Bag #1 Large Sackville Saddle Sack *Did you miss out on purchasing a 
>> *large* Saddle Sack when Riv had them available on their website? Here 
>> is your chance to get what is now a discontinued model. Original purchase 
>> date 1/27/18. Color is Olive condition is like new. Paid $255 asking* 
>> $195 plus shipping.*
>>
>> *Bag #2 Medium Sackville Saddle Sack *Purchase date 8/3/2017. Condition 
>> is good. No rips, no tears. Only limited beausage. Color is blue. Paid $220 
>> asking *$170 plus shipping.* 
>>
>> *Bag #3 X-Small Sackville Saddle Sack *Purchased in 2016. Very limited 
>> use and in excellent condition. Color is tan. *asking $60 plus shipping.*
>>
>> *Bag #4 Sackville Banana Sax* Purchased 3/8/2018. Limited use and in 
>> excellent condition. Color is blue. Paid $90 *asking $70 plus shipping*. 
>>
>> Link to photos https://photos.app.goo.gl/HqPaJTBW4C8LroEs9
>>  
>> PM directly if interested. 
>>
>> Thanks, 
>>
>> Tim
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Appaloosa/Sam

[John Phillips]

  +1 on going with the second wheel set.

I've never taken a ride on a Bombadil, but I have a 2013 Hunqapillar, and 
it's really fun & zippy with 38mm Compass tires, even on Atlas rims. I have 
one Cliffhanger wheel set for 50-55mm tires, and an Atlas wheel set for the 
38-44mm tires. Try out narrow tires on the Bombadil before deciding on the 
2nd bike.

Of course, the 2nd bike means you can have two bikes with different 
handlebars ready at a moments notice.

John

On Tuesday, December 4, 2018 at 7:31:15 AM UTC-8, DaveS wrote:
>
> Good morning everyone, curious about adding a second Rivendell.  I 
> currently have a Bombadil, and would like something a little more sporty 
> for my daily fitness rides.  I am larger than most, 6 3, 280 and am looking 
> at a Sam and an Appaloosa.  I wont ride fast at this size, but get a good 
> 12-15 mile ride in every day.  Clearly need wider than normal tires for 
> this, but something less than the 55 schwalbes that are on my Bombadil, 
> which is set up with MAP bars, basket/rack/etc for usefulness.  My concern 
> is that the Appaloosa isn't that much different from what I have, and the 
> Sam is more "sporty" for a larger person.  Appreciate the direction. 
>

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[RBW] Re: Let's hatchet a plan and make a deal

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Mine’s the Bigboy 2000, a measly 14” blade. But “big” trees in Colorado aren’t 
as big as your neck o the woods. Grin. I’m pretty sure I have the Wildlife 
Hatchet, same head as the hand-hatchet but a longer handle for greater 
leverage. Great tools!

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Re: Appaloosa/Sam

[DaveS]

Thanks Will, I didn't see that one coming!  


On Tuesday, December 4, 2018 at 11:40:27 AM UTC-5, Will wrote:

> Bag the notion of a different bike. What you have is seriously nice. 
> Instead... get another set of wheels: light wide rims and Compass tires.
>
> Saving a pound on the frame is expensive. Saving a pound on the wheels is 
> easy...
>
> On Tuesday, December 4, 2018 at 9:31:15 AM UTC-6, DaveS wrote:
>>
>> Good morning everyone, curious about adding a second Rivendell.  I 
>> currently have a Bombadil, and would like something a little more sporty 
>> for my daily fitness rides.  I am larger than most, 6 3, 280 and am looking 
>> at a Sam and an Appaloosa.  I wont ride fast at this size, but get a good 
>> 12-15 mile ride in every day.  Clearly need wider than normal tires for 
>> this, but something less than the 55 schwalbes that are on my Bombadil, 
>> which is set up with MAP bars, basket/rack/etc for usefulness.  My concern 
>> is that the Appaloosa isn't that much different from what I have, and the 
>> Sam is more "sporty" for a larger person.  Appreciate the direction. 
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Let's hatchet a plan and make a deal

[Wally Estrella]

Patrick,

I have the Katanaboy 500 for the big jobs when I know there's a bigger 
downed tree on a trail.
https://www.instagram.com/p/Bo4FH-8hTEU/

A Big Boy I'll take out w/ me in general if I know there were high winds 
from any recent storms.  And a Gomboy that I'll bring on the bikepacking 
trips.

HA HA HAwesome on the Swiss fire log.  I've been wanting make some w/ the 
Katanaboy.  Then place them in spot where I hope to be camping soon.

I'll use the sale of the 415 to get a GB hand hatchet.

On Tuesday, December 4, 2018 at 11:54:12 AM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Wally, I LOVE my Silky saw for trail clean up. Amazing how quickly it cuts 
> through even large trees. If you bikepack at all, and use a small wood 
> stove or fire, the hatchet is very handy. I use it (or my Buck knife with 
> an “on site” hammer of some sort) to split wood I’ve sawn for making a 
> swiss log fire (quarter the log, reassemble log with slight separation in 
> stove or pit, fill gap with kindling, light. Long lasting fire, small, self 
> containing, and can even cook on top if desired. Whomever ends up with the 
> hatchet will love it! 
>
> With abandon, 
> Patrick

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Re: [RBW] FS Feeler: 62cm Appaloosa frameset, RBW Blue

[Mike Godwin]

Speaking of campfire bottles, Phil, your Frances is Campfire (beer) Bottle 
green, true?

Mike SLO CA

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[RBW] Let's hatchet a plan and make a deal

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Wally, I LOVE my Silky saw for trail clean up. Amazing how quickly it cuts 
through even large trees. If you bikepack at all, and use a small wood stove or 
fire, the hatchet is very handy. I use it (or my Buck knife with an “on site” 
hammer of some sort) to split wood I’ve sawn for making a swiss log fire 
(quarter the log, reassemble log with slight separation in stove or pit, fill 
gap with kindling, light. Long lasting fire, small, self containing, and can 
even cook on top if desired. Whomever ends up with the hatchet will love it!

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Re: long reach calipers in the wet?

[Mike Godwin]

Maybe try levers with different cable pull rating. I find the low-end shimano 
aero levers Riv sells and tektro road levers work well with cantis and normal 
reach (57 mm) brakes. But have not used them with 559s.
mike. SLO CA

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[RBW] Let's hatchet a plan and make a deal

[Wally Estrella]

Let me ax you a question.  Wood you purchased a slightly used Gransfors 
Bruk 415 for 115 shipped? I went out on a limb and purchased the 415 
earlier this year.  I also purchased a couple different Silky Japanese pull 
saws.  The pull saws just grab my attention first and work well for my 
trail clean-up rides.  

415 has maybe 20-30 swings on it and all into clean wood.  Comes with the 
sheath.

I can get pics when I get home later today.

CHEERS! and swings!
Wally in 207 land




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[RBW] Re: Appaloosa/Sam

[Will]

Bag the notion of a different bike. What you have is seriously nice. 
Instead... get another set of wheels: light wide rims and Compass tires.

Saving a pound on the frame is expensive. Saving a pound on the wheels is 
easy...

On Tuesday, December 4, 2018 at 9:31:15 AM UTC-6, DaveS wrote:
>
> Good morning everyone, curious about adding a second Rivendell.  I 
> currently have a Bombadil, and would like something a little more sporty 
> for my daily fitness rides.  I am larger than most, 6 3, 280 and am looking 
> at a Sam and an Appaloosa.  I wont ride fast at this size, but get a good 
> 12-15 mile ride in every day.  Clearly need wider than normal tires for 
> this, but something less than the 55 schwalbes that are on my Bombadil, 
> which is set up with MAP bars, basket/rack/etc for usefulness.  My concern 
> is that the Appaloosa isn't that much different from what I have, and the 
> Sam is more "sporty" for a larger person.  Appreciate the direction. 
>

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[RBW] Re: Appaloosa/Sam

[Drw]

I went through this a while back. I had a hunq and wanted something for 
quicker rides, so i got a sam. The sam was great, but i felt like even the 
sam and hunq were pretty functionally equivalent. I eventually sold both, 
got an Atlantis. I fulfilled the lighter bike hankering with a series of 
vintage road bikes, bought and sold cheaply. 

My opinion is that the appaloosa and bombadil are really similar. I'd look 
at a hilsen 

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[RBW] Re: Appaloosa/Sam

[DaveS]

It's funny that you replied Reid, it was your Appaloosa that started me 
down this alternative path!  

On Tuesday, December 4, 2018 at 10:59:58 AM UTC-5, DaveS wrote:
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, December 4, 2018 at 10:38:26 AM UTC-5, Reid Echols wrote:
>>
>> Hi Dave, 
>>
>> I've had both, and am around your height. I rode both for fitness, 
>> camping, and fun, and you really can't go wrong. My 64cm Sam might have 
>> been a bit "sportier" but that was likely as much a factor of the drop bars 
>> and light wheels as anything. My 62 Appaloosa is a touch more versatile, 
>> and excellent with a load in the back or front in ways the Sam was not 
>> (past a certain weight, say 5 lbs or so of cargo). I'd go with whichever 
>> you can find that fits and is a decent deal (or that has a color you like). 
>> The Appaloosa is my pick on any kind of mixed surface/gravel, as the long 
>> stays really make it stable and fun when the dirt gets a little loose. I 
>> sold the Sam, but got a Hilsen, which is that bit sportier than either of 
>> them, so you might consider that, too if your major need is a road-ish 
>> bike. 
>>
>> Reid in Austin 
>>
>> On Tuesday, December 4, 2018 at 9:31:15 AM UTC-6, DaveS wrote:
>>>
>>> Good morning everyone, curious about adding a second Rivendell.  I 
>>> currently have a Bombadil, and would like something a little more sporty 
>>> for my daily fitness rides.  I am larger than most, 6 3, 280 and am looking 
>>> at a Sam and an Appaloosa.  I wont ride fast at this size, but get a good 
>>> 12-15 mile ride in every day.  Clearly need wider than normal tires for 
>>> this, but something less than the 55 schwalbes that are on my Bombadil, 
>>> which is set up with MAP bars, basket/rack/etc for usefulness.  My concern 
>>> is that the Appaloosa isn't that much different from what I have, and the 
>>> Sam is more "sporty" for a larger person.  Appreciate the direction. 
>>>
>>

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[RBW] WTB: Grand Bois 700c Rim Red Label

[Karl]

Know it's a long shot, but looking for a Grand Bois 36 hole rim to match a 
front wheel build. Anyone have one they do not have plans for, I would 
appreciate it greatly.

Thanks,

Karl 
Nashville, TN

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[RBW] Re: Appaloosa/Sam

[phil k]

I currently ride my wife's Sam Hillborne canti version. It's great!

If you want sporty, have you tried looking at the MIT Homer Hilsens as well?

-Phil
Arlington, VA

On Tuesday, December 4, 2018 at 10:31:15 AM UTC-5, DaveS wrote:
>
> Good morning everyone, curious about adding a second Rivendell.  I 
> currently have a Bombadil, and would like something a little more sporty 
> for my daily fitness rides.  I am larger than most, 6 3, 280 and am looking 
> at a Sam and an Appaloosa.  I wont ride fast at this size, but get a good 
> 12-15 mile ride in every day.  Clearly need wider than normal tires for 
> this, but something less than the 55 schwalbes that are on my Bombadil, 
> which is set up with MAP bars, basket/rack/etc for usefulness.  My concern 
> is that the Appaloosa isn't that much different from what I have, and the 
> Sam is more "sporty" for a larger person.  Appreciate the direction. 
>

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[RBW] Re: Appaloosa/Sam

[DaveS]

On Tuesday, December 4, 2018 at 10:38:26 AM UTC-5, Reid Echols wrote:
>
> Hi Dave, 
>
> I've had both, and am around your height. I rode both for fitness, 
> camping, and fun, and you really can't go wrong. My 64cm Sam might have 
> been a bit "sportier" but that was likely as much a factor of the drop bars 
> and light wheels as anything. My 62 Appaloosa is a touch more versatile, 
> and excellent with a load in the back or front in ways the Sam was not 
> (past a certain weight, say 5 lbs or so of cargo). I'd go with whichever 
> you can find that fits and is a decent deal (or that has a color you like). 
> The Appaloosa is my pick on any kind of mixed surface/gravel, as the long 
> stays really make it stable and fun when the dirt gets a little loose. I 
> sold the Sam, but got a Hilsen, which is that bit sportier than either of 
> them, so you might consider that, too if your major need is a road-ish 
> bike. 
>
> Reid in Austin 
>
> On Tuesday, December 4, 2018 at 9:31:15 AM UTC-6, DaveS wrote:
>>
>> Good morning everyone, curious about adding a second Rivendell.  I 
>> currently have a Bombadil, and would like something a little more sporty 
>> for my daily fitness rides.  I am larger than most, 6 3, 280 and am looking 
>> at a Sam and an Appaloosa.  I wont ride fast at this size, but get a good 
>> 12-15 mile ride in every day.  Clearly need wider than normal tires for 
>> this, but something less than the 55 schwalbes that are on my Bombadil, 
>> which is set up with MAP bars, basket/rack/etc for usefulness.  My concern 
>> is that the Appaloosa isn't that much different from what I have, and the 
>> Sam is more "sporty" for a larger person.  Appreciate the direction. 
>>
>

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[RBW] Appaloosa/Sam

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Dave, you’re good on any Riv bike sized for you. I’m 200 lbs and ride my 
Quickbeam (similar to AHH in stoutness?) on steep, rocky, rooty mountain 
singlestrack with a 30 lb saddle bag and it does brilliantly. Seriously, a 
non-issue. Give Riv a call and they can talk you through it.

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Re: Two projects!

[Karl]

Ditto on the photos... the 1995 Prototype sounds like. holy girl bike for 
sure!

Karl 
Nashville, TN

On Tuesday, December 4, 2018 at 6:58:25 AM UTC-6, Fullylugged wrote:
>
> So both of my RBW products are off-line for refurbishment.  The 1995 Road 
> Prototype developed a crack in the left chainstay near te BB shell. Allen 
> Wanta in Clearwater FL has it for replacement (He'll use Columbus or 
> Dedacciai instead of the Reynolds 753-heavy wall) and will re-spray it. It 
> will keep its current colors: Light English Blue (it was originally built 
> at Waterford and that is one of their colors) with cream (the same cream as 
> the decal color) lugs and bi-plane fork crown.  Allen was much more 
> reasonable in price than Waterford and his lead time is about 9 weeks. Btw, 
> even Waterford's price was 1/3 the cost of buying an equivalent new lugged 
> frame, so GP was spot on when he spoke about the long term value of a 
> repairable steel frame. And this particular bike is unique as far as I know 
> and a keeper. I have ridden the tar out of it since acquiring it off this 
> list in 2008.
> The 2006 Rambouillet is stripped down for re-painting. No structural 
> repairs needed by the paint is heavily beausaged. This bike has had skinny 
> tires and fat, been on pavement and gravel and been set up factory with 
> noodles and upright with flipped mustache bars. It is going to be painted 
> an old Ford color, Amber (also called Sunset on Mustangs) Gold. I saw it on 
> a Mustang and loved it for a bike. It will keep a cream headtube but I'm 
> saving a little by not painting the lug windows as original. Have a few 
> stuck screws to drill out before bringing it up to Nathan Barnes in Pelham 
> AL. He paints cars during the week and bikes on weekends. Again, very 
> reasonable in price. He did my old Nashbar Mark III in (Toyota) Barcelona 
> Red 2 years ago and it still looks superb. Named "Ferrous Beuller" it's a 
> UJB crit racer in Tange tubes converted to an excellent 650B bike. My fair 
> weather brevet bike as it has no eyelets for fenders.  Nathan paints only. 
> No frame repairs.
> Decisions still need to be made on the re-builds!  Doubles? Triples? 1 of 
> each? handlebars? :)  They were both triples.  May do a compact double on 
> the Road and keep a triple on the Ram.  We'll see.  Nitto  135 Rando bars I 
> think for the Ram this time and drops for the Road. It'll be fun!

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[RBW] Re: WTB: Shimano 9spd Barend Shifters

[Jonathan D.]

I have won I can find this evening. Let me know if you need one. 

On Monday, December 3, 2018 at 7:55:48 PM UTC-8, Eric Karnes wrote:
> Hi all-
> 
> 
> Setting up a new drop bar build. Anyone have a spare set? If so, PM me 
> off-list. Thanks!
> 
> 
> Eric

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[RBW] Re: Appaloosa/Sam

[Reid Echols]

Hi Dave, 

I've had both, and am around your height. I rode both for fitness, camping, 
and fun, and you really can't go wrong. My 64cm Sam might have been a bit 
"sportier" but that was likely as much a factor of the drop bars and light 
wheels as anything. My 62 Appaloosa is a touch more versatile, and 
excellent with a load in the back or front in ways the Sam was not (past a 
certain weight, say 5 lbs or so of cargo). I'd go with whichever you can 
find that fits and is a decent deal (or that has a color you like). The 
Appaloosa is my pick on any kind of mixed surface/gravel, as the long stays 
really make it stable and fun when the dirt gets a little loose. I sold the 
Sam, but got a Hilsen, which is that bit sportier than either of them, so 
you might consider that, too if your major need is a road-ish bike. 

Reid in Austin 

On Tuesday, December 4, 2018 at 9:31:15 AM UTC-6, DaveS wrote:
>
> Good morning everyone, curious about adding a second Rivendell.  I 
> currently have a Bombadil, and would like something a little more sporty 
> for my daily fitness rides.  I am larger than most, 6 3, 280 and am looking 
> at a Sam and an Appaloosa.  I wont ride fast at this size, but get a good 
> 12-15 mile ride in every day.  Clearly need wider than normal tires for 
> this, but something less than the 55 schwalbes that are on my Bombadil, 
> which is set up with MAP bars, basket/rack/etc for usefulness.  My concern 
> is that the Appaloosa isn't that much different from what I have, and the 
> Sam is more "sporty" for a larger person.  Appreciate the direction. 
>

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[RBW] Appaloosa/Sam

[DaveS]

Good morning everyone, curious about adding a second Rivendell.  I 
currently have a Bombadil, and would like something a little more sporty 
for my daily fitness rides.  I am larger than most, 6 3, 280 and am looking 
at a Sam and an Appaloosa.  I wont ride fast at this size, but get a good 
12-15 mile ride in every day.  Clearly need wider than normal tires for 
this, but something less than the 55 schwalbes that are on my Bombadil, 
which is set up with MAP bars, basket/rack/etc for usefulness.  My concern 
is that the Appaloosa isn't that much different from what I have, and the 
Sam is more "sporty" for a larger person.  Appreciate the direction. 

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[RBW] Re: Two projects!

[Cody Bartz]

Fun projects! Post photos after the paint/builds. 

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[RBW] Re: long reach calipers in the wet?

[phil k]

Eric,

I've found Tektro 559's to be suboptimal for 650b conversions, mostly 
because they had to be at the bottom of the slot to make it work. I believe 
Tektro 559s on a bike like the Hilsen with 65mm brake reach will feel much 
better.

Even still, you can put Paul Racers on these, and they will feel excellent. 
I had the caliper Hillborne and Cheviot with Racers and they felt great 
braking in the wet.

-Phil

Arlington, VA

On Tuesday, December 4, 2018 at 7:40:17 AM UTC-5, Eric Daume wrote:
>
> While I'm hemming and hawing over Reid's Joe Appaloosa for sale, I find my 
> eye also wandering over to the new MIT Hilsens. The sizing looks good, love 
> the color, nary an extra tube to be found (though I'm warming up to the 
> extra tubes). But, it uses the long reach R559 type brake. I've used this 
> brake (and the DC Mod 750) on previous 650b conversions, and it hasn't been 
> a great experience. They work OK in the dry, but when the rims are wet, the 
> stopping power was terrible. As a test, I sprayed my front rim with my 
> water bottle, and the R559 brakes took twice the distance to stop as my V 
> brake equipped Clem. That was with salmon pads on the R559. Mountain bike 
> style levers on both bikes. 
>
> So, does anyone have a setup that works in the wet for long reach brakes? 
>
> Thanks,
>
> Eric
> who should just stick to my rule of "V brakes or discs or pass it by"
>

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Re: [RBW] Dyno wiring weatherproofing

[Steve Palincsar]

Corroded where?  At the connection to the hub?  Perhaps grease might 
help?  I used to have a chronic problem with corroded connections for my 
wired-on bicycle computer, but dielectric grease fixed that once for all.


On 12/4/18 8:39 AM, Pam Bikes wrote:
I have a dyno hub and a USB Werks that I use to capture my power 
generated during the day.  I like to leave the wires on but they have 
gotten corroded.  Any way to weatherproof them?  Internal USB 
connection is rusted thus charging is not reliable.  Ideally I'd like 
an inline switch.  Long story but the battery I charge draws too much 
power at night so I need to disconnect it at night.   If I can't find 
a solution, I can disconnect it all the time and just buy new wiring 
occasionally.  Any ideas?


BTW I do ride everyday and sometimes the wiring was on in the rain and 
it probably did get wet.  I guess I need to be more careful but I get 
in a hurry to ride.



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Alexandria, Virginia
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[RBW] Re: long reach calipers in the wet?

[Lum Gim Fong]

You could try Swiss Stop blue pads.

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[RBW] Re: FS: Sackville Bags

[Pam Bikes]

I'd like the banana sack.  Let me know if this email is the same for Paypal 
and what shipping will be to 28205.
Thanks
Pam

On Monday, November 26, 2018 at 7:51:09 PM UTC-5, Tim Bantham wrote:
>
> Hello Rivendell Friends,
>
> I have *four* Sackville Bags up for sale. Price does not include 
> shipping. If you have interest in any of the bags I will work with you to 
> quote a fair shipping price. 
>
> *Bag #1 Large Sackville Saddle Sack *Did you miss out on purchasing a 
> *large* Saddle Sack when Riv had them available on their website? Here is 
> your chance to get what is now a discontinued model. Original purchase date 
> 1/27/18. Color is Olive condition is like new. Paid $255 asking* $195 
> plus shipping.*
>
> *Bag #2 Medium Sackville Saddle Sack *Purchase date 8/3/2017. Condition 
> is good. No rips, no tears. Only limited beausage. Color is blue. Paid $220 
> asking *$170 plus shipping.* 
>
> *Bag #3 X-Small Sackville Saddle Sack *Purchased in 2016. Very limited 
> use and in excellent condition. Color is tan. *asking $60 plus shipping.*
>
> *Bag #4 Sackville Banana Sax* Purchased 3/8/2018. Limited use and in 
> excellent condition. Color is blue. Paid $90 *asking $70 plus shipping*. 
>
> Link to photos https://photos.app.goo.gl/HqPaJTBW4C8LroEs9
>  
> PM directly if interested. 
>
> Thanks, 
>
> Tim
>
>

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[RBW] Dyno wiring weatherproofing

[Pam Bikes]

I have a dyno hub and a USB Werks that I use to capture my power generated 
during the day.  I like to leave the wires on but they have gotten 
corroded.  Any way to weatherproof them?  Internal USB connection is rusted 
thus charging is not reliable.  Ideally I'd like an inline switch.  Long 
story but the battery I charge draws too much power at night so I need to 
disconnect it at night.   If I can't find a solution, I can disconnect it 
all the time and just buy new wiring occasionally.  Any ideas?

BTW I do ride everyday and sometimes the wiring was on in the rain and it 
probably did get wet.  I guess I need to be more careful but I get in a 
hurry to ride.

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[RBW] Re: long reach calipers in the wet?

[Bob Lovejoy]

I will just add that you could use good center pull brakes as well - 
Paul's, Dia Compe GC700(?), others?  I do have R559's on a 650B conversion 
(with Kool Stop pads) and have been ok with those (and absolutely love the 
bike!) but I will be using Paul's and Kool Stop's on my AHH.  I don't 
expect any problems but I don't have any data to back that up.  My take is 
that the longer the reach, the better the quality of the brake should be, 
that translating to build quality, strength of the materials and design, 
etc.  

Bob

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[RBW] Re: long reach calipers in the wet?

[Eric Daume]

Kool stop salmon pads on the R559, whatever random (regular black) brake
pad I had installed on the V brake.

On Tuesday, December 4, 2018, Steve Palincsar  wrote:

> I see no mention of what the brake pads were that you tested.  In long-ago
> days, I recall Bicycling magazine testing brake pads and discovering that
> in the wet, the salmon Kool Stop compound was dramatically better than
> others in the test.
>
> On 12/4/18 7:40 AM, Eric Daume wrote:
>
>> While I'm hemming and hawing over Reid's Joe Appaloosa for sale, I find
>> my eye also wandering over to the new MIT Hilsens. The sizing looks good,
>> love the color, nary an extra tube to be found (though I'm warming up to
>> the extra tubes). But, it uses the long reach R559 type brake. I've used
>> this brake (and the DC Mod 750) on previous 650b conversions, and it hasn't
>> been a great experience. They work OK in the dry, but when the rims are
>> wet, the stopping power was terrible. As a test, I sprayed my front rim
>> with my water bottle, and the R559 brakes took twice the distance to stop
>> as my V brake equipped Clem. That was with salmon pads on the R559.
>> Mountain bike style levers on both bikes.
>>
>> So, does anyone have a setup that works in the wet for long reach brakes?
>>
>> Steve Palincsar
> Alexandria, Virginia
> USA
>
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[RBW] Two projects!

[Fullylugged]

So both of my RBW products are off-line for refurbishment.  The 1995 Road 
Prototype developed a crack in the left chainstay near te BB shell. Allen Wanta 
in Clearwater FL has it for replacement (He'll use Columbus or Dedacciai 
instead of the Reynolds 753-heavy wall) and will re-spray it. It will keep its 
current colors: Light English Blue (it was originally built at Waterford and 
that is one of their colors) with cream (the same cream as the decal color) 
lugs and bi-plane fork crown.  Allen was much more reasonable in price than 
Waterford and his lead time is about 9 weeks. Btw, even Waterford's price was 
1/3 the cost of buying an equivalent new lugged frame, so GP was spot on when 
he spoke about the long term value of a repairable steel frame. And this 
particular bike is unique as far as I know and a keeper. I have ridden the tar 
out of it since acquiring it off this list in 2008.
The 2006 Rambouillet is stripped down for re-painting. No structural repairs 
needed by the paint is heavily beausaged. This bike has had skinny tires and 
fat, been on pavement and gravel and been set up factory with noodles and 
upright with flipped mustache bars. It is going to be painted an old Ford 
color, Amber (also called Sunset on Mustangs) Gold. I saw it on a Mustang and 
loved it for a bike. It will keep a cream headtube but I'm saving a little by 
not painting the lug windows as original. Have a few stuck screws to drill out 
before bringing it up to Nathan Barnes in Pelham AL. He paints cars during the 
week and bikes on weekends. Again, very reasonable in price. He did my old 
Nashbar Mark III in (Toyota) Barcelona Red 2 years ago and it still looks 
superb. Named "Ferrous Beuller" it's a UJB crit racer in Tange tubes converted 
to an excellent 650B bike. My fair weather brevet bike as it has no eyelets for 
fenders.  Nathan paints only. No frame repairs.
Decisions still need to be made on the re-builds!  Doubles? Triples? 1 of each? 
handlebars? :)  They were both triples.  May do a compact double on the Road 
and keep a triple on the Ram.  We'll see.  Nitto  135 Rando bars I think for 
the Ram this time and drops for the Road. It'll be fun!

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Re: [RBW] long reach calipers in the wet?

[Steve Palincsar]

I see no mention of what the brake pads were that you tested.  In 
long-ago days, I recall Bicycling magazine testing brake pads and 
discovering that in the wet, the salmon Kool Stop compound was 
dramatically better than others in the test.


On 12/4/18 7:40 AM, Eric Daume wrote:
While I'm hemming and hawing over Reid's Joe Appaloosa for sale, I 
find my eye also wandering over to the new MIT Hilsens. The sizing 
looks good, love the color, nary an extra tube to be found (though I'm 
warming up to the extra tubes). But, it uses the long reach R559 type 
brake. I've used this brake (and the DC Mod 750) on previous 650b 
conversions, and it hasn't been a great experience. They work OK in 
the dry, but when the rims are wet, the stopping power was terrible. 
As a test, I sprayed my front rim with my water bottle, and the R559 
brakes took twice the distance to stop as my V brake equipped Clem. 
That was with salmon pads on the R559. Mountain bike style levers on 
both bikes.


So, does anyone have a setup that works in the wet for long reach brakes?


Steve Palincsar
Alexandria, Virginia
USA

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[RBW] long reach calipers in the wet?

[Eric Daume]

While I'm hemming and hawing over Reid's Joe Appaloosa for sale, I find my
eye also wandering over to the new MIT Hilsens. The sizing looks good, love
the color, nary an extra tube to be found (though I'm warming up to the
extra tubes). But, it uses the long reach R559 type brake. I've used this
brake (and the DC Mod 750) on previous 650b conversions, and it hasn't been
a great experience. They work OK in the dry, but when the rims are wet, the
stopping power was terrible. As a test, I sprayed my front rim with my
water bottle, and the R559 brakes took twice the distance to stop as my V
brake equipped Clem. That was with salmon pads on the R559. Mountain bike
style levers on both bikes.

So, does anyone have a setup that works in the wet for long reach brakes?

Thanks,

Eric
who should just stick to my rule of "V brakes or discs or pass it by"

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