[RBW] Cheviut? More like Chevi-awesome. Amiright?

[in Dallas nick]

Stephen, 




I also really like your Cheviot. 




The color along with the bags looks very sharp. 




I relate to the "Hippie-grandpa-coolness". 




My son gave me the pictured t-shirt for Christmas. 




Hopefully next month I will get to ride bikes with my Grandson's who will be 
visiting from out of state and I'll be wearing the t-shirt. 




Safe riding. 




Paul in Dallas 




















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[RBW] Cheviut? More like Chevi-awesome. Amiright?

[in Dallas nick]

Stephen, 




I really like your Cheviot as well. 




The color of the frame and the bags go together great as do the fenders. 




I relate to the cool grandpa 


thing and hope to ride with my grandsons when they visit from out-of-state next 
month. 




My  son actually gave me the pictured t-shirt for Christmas. 




I am not sure why the previous message sent before this one. 




Wonders of this so called smart phone. 




Paul in Dallas 









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[RBW] Cheviut? More like Chevi-awesome. Amiright?

[Stephen W.]

Paul,
   Indeed, that is the Wagon Queen Family Truckster in metallic pea from 
National Lampoon's Vacation. I've seen Groundhogs Day but it's been a while so 
I don't remember the "amiright". 

Stephen 

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[RBW] Re: Seeking wisdom of 29+ bikepacking vs. 2.1”

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Thank you all for the input. You’ve helped me tremendiously. I will be 
practicing contentment and continue to delight in riding the Hunqabeam and 
Quickbeam and passing on Boots.

With abandon,
Patrick

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Re: [RBW] Re: Shoes for rambling.

[finny]

Hey, 

as far as  toe over lap, it was a fear of mine but, really, it has not
been a problem. I have not moved my saddle yet... I can say that the
pedals look odd but feel great, really connected to the bike, I can push
hard with no pain. It is a shame that they charge so much for them but
if they allow me to keep on riding, it is money well spent

On 2019-01-18 20:12, Surlyprof wrote:

> Thanks for the follow up report, Spencer.  I had wondered if you needed to 
> shift the seat position.  I was also wondering if it increased the potential 
> for toe overlap.  I may take the plunge.  Saw that they had a 30-day 
> guarantee which reduces any risk.
> 
> John

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[RBW] Re: Shoes for rambling.

[Surlyprof]

Thanks for the follow up report, Spencer.  I had wondered if you needed to 
shift the seat position.  I was also wondering if it increased the potential 
for toe overlap.  I may take the plunge.  Saw that they had a 30-day guarantee 
which reduces any risk.

John

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[RBW] Re: Gus Boots Willsen on Shell Ridge

[RichS]

Olivier, your photographs of the GBW are exquisite. In my book they really 
enhance the bike's different, special, and better qualities; it looks so 
comfortable and fun. And that combination of fillet brazing, seat lug and 
fork crown. . .my oh my.

Best,
Rich in ATL 

On Friday, January 18, 2019 at 9:39:08 AM UTC-5, Alex Wirth- Owner, Yellow 
Haus Bicycles wrote:
>
> Patrick...i had similar deliberations with my Hunq.  In the end I built up 
> a troll with 26x2.8's so I could bomb decents with aplomb while loaded with 
> bikepacking gear (like my friends with "modern" plus bikes).  Not that it's 
> the end of the worldbut I always had to temper my decents with 2" 
> tires.   
>
> Looking forward to taking the GBW on a beta run for 4 nights on the Black 
> Canyon Trail in AZ next month  
>
> I'm a lock for the fillet version presale. 
>
> Alex in Rochester 
>
> (Waiting for 1-2 feet of snow and -15 degrees this weekend)

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Re: [RBW] Re: Self-diagnosed Riv addicts (some) since 1994.

[RichS]

This has been an enjoyable thread! Thanks for putting it up Ryan. My 
Rivendell addiction mirrors that of many others on the list. If I had made 
the discovery sooner, money spent on less satisfying bikes could have gone 
Rivendell's way instead (part of this cyclist's education I guess).

One Riv thing that has always captivated me is Grant's fork design. The 
fork bends are a thing of beauty and I never tire of looking at them. The 
crowns are pretty sweet too!

So happy to be a Rivendell bicycle owner/customer. Thank you Grant & 
Company!

Best to all,
Rich in ATL 

On Thursday, January 17, 2019 at 7:54:58 PM UTC-5, ed wrote:
>
> Not yet, seems its more likely to be 26 with the upcoming Gus. :-)
>
> On 17 Jan 2019, at 1:00 AM, lconley > wrote:
>
> Oops - 25 bikes - does that cross the line into hoarding?
>
> On Friday, January 11, 2019 at 3:04:16 PM UTC-5, lconley wrote:
>>
>> 10 Rivendells plus Rivendell Custom on order. 23 bikes total. Just me.
>>
>> Laing
>> Cocoa, FL
>>
>>
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[RBW] Cheviut? More like Chevi-awesome. Amiright?

[in Dallas nick]

Oh, I meant to ask, is that the station wagon from one of Chevy Chase's 
vacation movies?




And wasn't it Ned Ryerson 


from Groundhog Day" that kept saying,


"Amiright"?




Paul in Dallas


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[RBW] Re: Cheviut? More like Chevi-awesome. Amiright?

['Ann L' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Beautiful bike!  I've always been a fan of the green Cheviot.  I love the 
woody's as well :)

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[RBW] Re: Boyz on the Hoods: 4th Annual Escape from Super Bowl Weekend Campout

[Clayton.sf]

I will coming from Healdsburg north of SR. My two plans are as follows:

1. Dry plan: show up at around noon, ride Annadel until dusk or until my 
legs quit (whichever comes first), then head over for dinner and camping. 
This version will likely have me driving down with a bunch of local 
firewood and other camp favorites. Can easily pickup 4 more people in the 
north bay too so if anyone wants a ride down let me know.

2. Wet weather: Ride bike down from Healdsburg around 11am with a bunch of 
scenic detours but sparing the trails at Annadel to not cause undue damage. 
Happy to bike down with anyone that wants to join the fun or meet up en 
route.

Both options will regroup at key points so no one gets lost or left behind.

Best,
Clayton Scott
HBG, CA



 

On Friday, January 18, 2019 at 10:00:44 AM UTC-8, Clayton.sf wrote:
>
> For fancier lighter tents check out tarptent.com. I have their contrail 
> and it is a great tent. You will have seam seal it yourself and supply a 
> tyvek ground sheet.
>
> Hammock camping is well worth looking into too. If permitted and suitable 
> for the environment I prefer the hammock, but still use the tent quite a 
> bit since trees are not everywhere and some campsites forbid them. In 
> general though being above the dirt and wet is more pleasant than on the 
> dirt and wet. 
>
> Other drawbacks of the hammock are setup time takes longer to get it 
> perfect. More bulk for similar warmth. A pain in the butt to share with 
> someone. Learning curve. Research time wasted ;-). 
>
> In the end, having both is nice. If I had to go with just one I would go 
> with a tent, but sleep much better in a hammock.
>
> IN ADDITION AND ONLY SOMEWHAT RELATED: for those of you who own tarps - 
> bring them. We had one rainy year and having tarps to string over the 
> "communal area" immensely improved the experience. I will bring a 6'X8' and 
> cord, but more is always better.
>
> See you all soon!
>
> Clayton Scott
> HBG, CA
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[RBW] Re: Hillborne dropbar, bar-ends: Cross shifter housings then cables?

[Pancake]

Hi Jay. Love me some Sheldon Brown. Did you notice if I violated any of the 4 
commandments? For what it’s worth, they do allow the bars to be turned all the 
way until the bar end shifters hit the lower top tube (thus the twine there to 
protect the frame). I tried to make them flow straight into the 
stays/shifters/levers/rear derailleur so as not to have unnecessary friction 
then made them as short as that allowed.

Though it seems like a normal/natural arch to the housings in front, the same 
Sheldon page you linked has a helpful section on “cross crossing” the cables:

“Criss-Cross" Cables

Most bicycles with handlebar-mounted shifters run the rear cable on the right, 
the front on the left. This causes some awkwardness in routing the length of 
housing from the shift lever to the frame stops. Due to the need to allow these 
housings to be long enough to permit the bars to be turned all the way back and 
forth, the housings often wind up making a reverse bend--for instance, the rear 
will go from the shifter, which is on the right, swing forward and cross over 
past the centerline of the bicycle, then back over to the right side of the top 
tube, before heading down the down tube. These extra bends increase friction, 
and the fairly forcible contact between the housing and the side of the top 
tube can damage the finish.

A neat solution to this is to run the cables "criss-cross" style: The rear runs 
from the lever, (on the right) around the top tube, and to the cable stop on 
the left side of the downtube! The front cable crosses over similarly from the 
left side of the handlebar to the right side of the down tube.

The bare cables then cross one another under the middle of the downtube, making 
an "X". The cables may touch where they cross, but they will do so very 
lightly, since they are both straight...the tiny bit of friction at this 
crossing is more than offset by the reduction in friction in the 
smoother-flowing cable housings.

This technique does not work with over-the-bottom-bracket cable routing, but is 
doable with most newer bikes that have under-the-bottom-bracket cable routing 
and cable stops mounted toward the bottom side of the down tube.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Lack of Betty Foys for sale.

[RichS]

I count myself lucky to have seen but one Betty in the wild. (It's an event 
for me to catch sight of any Rivendell out there!). That Betty was special 
though. I'm a fan of the Cheviot too and the temptation to own one is 
always there - just to have a mixte. Those Bettys though. . .:-)))

Best,
Rich in ATL   

On Friday, January 18, 2019 at 4:13:10 PM UTC-5, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> Packing a frame is relatively simple, a whole bike not so much. In either 
> case you'll easily find a bike shop who will sell you a box and pack it for 
> you, this seems to be big business at bike shops in the age of Ebay. While 
> they're working on that you can order labels from Bike Flights or Shipbike 
> with your buyer's address. You'll either give the labels to the shop and 
> FedEx will pick up from there, or take the box to FedEx yourself. Easy!
>
> Of course I'm biased in my efforts here, I'm already aware of your 
> interest in a Cheviot and think it's time for a new Riv!
>

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[RBW] Re: FotR: Updates, info, questions

[Clayton.sf]

The campground usually sells wood too.

Clayton Scott
HBG, CA

On Friday, January 18, 2019 at 1:16:28 PM UTC-8, Collin A wrote:
>
> Wow, good job on getting the sites and doing all the heavy lifting for 
> this not-meeting!
>
> The nearby lagunitas general store has most things needed for a good 
> camping trip, and is about 2 miles from the campsite so coordinating food, 
> beers, etc. would be pretty simple. Just send out a refueling party at the 
> end of a day.
>
> Don't move firewood! The lagunitas store and camp host usually have 
> bundles for sale ~$10, and are easily pack able via basket or pannier.
>
> On Friday, January 18, 2019 at 12:01:31 PM UTC-8, Justin, Oakland wrote:
>>
>> Hey folks,
>> As was alluded to earlier I was able to get campgrounds for the weekend 
>> of July 19-21 at Devil's Gulch Group Camps in Samuel P Taylor Park.
>> Location: https://goo.gl/maps/Qhv67LvKJLT2
>> Park Info: http://www.parks.ca.gov/?page_id=469
>> Please read the info there
>> Camp site details:
>> - Limit of 10 folks per site. I'm thinking that we can be fudgey with 
>> that number because we are coming on bikes and are very good stewards and 
>> citizens and will be on our best behavior
>> - 3 Vehicles allowed per site if folks want to have family come that 
>> aren't bike-riders or just want to drive to the camp/ride
>> - Drinking water & Restrooms are available
>> - Tents only, no hammocks
>>
>> Now on to activities & other things:
>> Are you going for sure? Register here: https://rbwxxv.eventbrite.com
>>
>> Many folks said they would want to lead a ride of some sort. Would a sign 
>> up via a Google Form make sense?
>> Do we want to group-coordinate food? Drinks? Campfire supplies? Or do we 
>> want to do it individually?
>>
>> Any other considerations I have yet to bring up?
>> -J
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: FotR: Updates, info, questions

[Ash]

Hey Justin, thanks a ton for making this happen!

I'll be accompanied by my 7 yr old son, who will be on his bike trailer. 
 Hence, joining the regular ride group does not seem feasible.  If anybody 
else is on the same boat, we can figure out a  shorter/easier ride.  The 
plan would be something like drive to a place that is 10-15 miles from the 
campsite and then ride.  I'm 100% unfamiliar with the area.  Any 
suggestions for this type of ride would be great!

On Friday, 18 January 2019 12:01:31 UTC-8, Justin, Oakland wrote:
>
> Hey folks,
> As was alluded to earlier I was able to get campgrounds for the weekend of 
> July 19-21 at Devil's Gulch Group Camps in Samuel P Taylor Park.
> Location: https://goo.gl/maps/Qhv67LvKJLT2
> Park Info: http://www.parks.ca.gov/?page_id=469
> Please read the info there
> Camp site details:
> - Limit of 10 folks per site. I'm thinking that we can be fudgey with that 
> number because we are coming on bikes and are very good stewards and 
> citizens and will be on our best behavior
> - 3 Vehicles allowed per site if folks want to have family come that 
> aren't bike-riders or just want to drive to the camp/ride
> - Drinking water & Restrooms are available
> - Tents only, no hammocks
>
> Now on to activities & other things:
> Are you going for sure? Register here: https://rbwxxv.eventbrite.com
>
> Many folks said they would want to lead a ride of some sort. Would a sign 
> up via a Google Form make sense?
> Do we want to group-coordinate food? Drinks? Campfire supplies? Or do we 
> want to do it individually?
>
> Any other considerations I have yet to bring up?
> -J
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Cheviut? More like Chevi-awesome. Amiright?

[Stephen W.]

Mr. Leibow,
   Glad my pics could inspire. Do it up, yo. ✌

Stephen 

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[RBW] Re: Cheviut? More like Chevi-awesome. Amiright?

[Stephen W.]

Evan,
  Thank you! 

Stephen 

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[RBW] Re: Cheviut? More like Chevi-awesome. Amiright?

[Stephen W.]

Thank you Mark. 

Stephen 

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[RBW] Re: Hillborne dropbar, bar-ends: Cross shifter housings then cables?

[Jay in Tel Aviv]

The Four Commandments of Cable Routing: 
   
   1. The handlebars must be able to turn as far as they can in both 
   directions without being limited by a cable pulling taut. Instead, the 
   turning limit must be set by the handlebar bumping into the top tube 
    or by the brake 
   arm or reflector bracket bumping into the down tube 
   . 
   2. No wrong direction bends (For example: as the rear brake cable leaves 
   the top tube and makes the bend down toward the caliper 
   , it should make a 
   smooth transition from parallel to the top tube to parallel to the seat 
   stays . If the 
   cable bends up from the top tube before bending down toward the seat stays, 
   it is probably too long. If the cable curves out past the caliper, then 
   bends back at an angle more vertical than the seat stays, it is certainly 
   too long. 
   3. The bends that cannot be avoided should be made as wide (gradual) as 
   possible, 
   4. Cable housings should be as short as they can be without violating 
   the above rules. If a housing is attached to a part that moves, test it at 
   the extreme positions it will take when in use. Apply a brake; shift a 
   derailer to the positions where the cable is tightest and where it bends 
   the housing the furthest in each direction.


On Friday, January 18, 2019 at 11:21:38 PM UTC+2, Jay in Tel Aviv wrote:
>
> https://www.sheldonbrown.com/cables.html
>
>
> On Friday, January 18, 2019 at 5:51:13 AM UTC+2, Pancake wrote:
>>
>> Finished product (not crossed cables) attached:
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Hillborne dropbar, bar-ends: Cross shifter housings then cables?

[Jay in Tel Aviv]

https://www.sheldonbrown.com/cables.html


On Friday, January 18, 2019 at 5:51:13 AM UTC+2, Pancake wrote:
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> Finished product (not crossed cables) attached:

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[RBW] Re: How to select a Brooks saddle

[Jay in Tel Aviv]

I didn't like the (non carved) C-17 on my Sam. Don't recall if I had 
Noodles or Albas on there when I tried, but either would have been around 
saddle height.
I moved it to my Brompton and I like it there just fine.
Very happy with the Rivet Pearl which is now on the Sam.
Saddles - you gotta just lay out the $$$ and keep trying until you find one 
you like

Jay

On Friday, January 18, 2019 at 9:33:07 PM UTC+2, John Phillips wrote:
>
> Thanks Howard!
>
> John
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[RBW] Re: FotR: Updates, info, questions

[Collin A]

Wow, good job on getting the sites and doing all the heavy lifting for this 
not-meeting!

The nearby lagunitas general store has most things needed for a good 
camping trip, and is about 2 miles from the campsite so coordinating food, 
beers, etc. would be pretty simple. Just send out a refueling party at the 
end of a day.

Don't move firewood! The lagunitas store and camp host usually have bundles 
for sale ~$10, and are easily pack able via basket or pannier.

On Friday, January 18, 2019 at 12:01:31 PM UTC-8, Justin, Oakland wrote:
>
> Hey folks,
> As was alluded to earlier I was able to get campgrounds for the weekend of 
> July 19-21 at Devil's Gulch Group Camps in Samuel P Taylor Park.
> Location: https://goo.gl/maps/Qhv67LvKJLT2
> Park Info: http://www.parks.ca.gov/?page_id=469
> Please read the info there
> Camp site details:
> - Limit of 10 folks per site. I'm thinking that we can be fudgey with that 
> number because we are coming on bikes and are very good stewards and 
> citizens and will be on our best behavior
> - 3 Vehicles allowed per site if folks want to have family come that 
> aren't bike-riders or just want to drive to the camp/ride
> - Drinking water & Restrooms are available
> - Tents only, no hammocks
>
> Now on to activities & other things:
> Are you going for sure? Register here: https://rbwxxv.eventbrite.com
>
> Many folks said they would want to lead a ride of some sort. Would a sign 
> up via a Google Form make sense?
> Do we want to group-coordinate food? Drinks? Campfire supplies? Or do we 
> want to do it individually?
>
> Any other considerations I have yet to bring up?
> -J
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Lack of Betty Foys for sale.

[Joe Bernard]

Packing a frame is relatively simple, a whole bike not so much. In either case 
you'll easily find a bike shop who will sell you a box and pack it for you, 
this seems to be big business at bike shops in the age of Ebay. While they're 
working on that you can order labels from Bike Flights or Shipbike with your 
buyer's address. You'll either give the labels to the shop and FedEx will pick 
up from there, or take the box to FedEx yourself. Easy!

Of course I'm biased in my efforts here, I'm already aware of your interest in 
a Cheviot and think it's time for a new Riv!

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[RBW] Re: anyone for NAHBS? March 15 - 17, Sacramento, CA

[Collin A]

I was thinking about it, but I'd just take the train up there Saturday from 
Oakland. $25 is pretty cheap for day tickets!

Collin

On Friday, January 18, 2019 at 12:33:36 PM UTC-8, Neil Doran wrote:
>
> North American Handmade Bike Show (NAHBS) is back in Sac this year (yay!). 
> March 15 - 17.
>
> Anybody else plan on going? Went last time it was in town, and it was a 
> lot of fun. I plan to ride from home (Rocklin) probably for the Saturday 
> session, if any other Sac-area folks want to meet up.
>
> Cheers,
>
> N.
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Lack of Betty Foys for sale.

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

 My guess is that a lot of Bettys went to women, and women seem to typically 
have one bike that they use for a long time.  I realize there are exceptions 
and I don’t mean to speak for every woman cycler out there, but that is the 
case with me. I’ve had a 55 cm Betty since late 2012 and I have ridden the 
wheels off it. (No really, proof is on my Instagram. The great wheel and tire 
debacle of 2017 .) Honestly, we’ve been quite a pair, and that bike has done 
everything I’ve asked of it. 

When the Cheviot launched, it was shortly after I bought my bike, and I’ve 
always wished I had the Chev. I love the decals and head badge and cream head 
tube. Plus, it takes a larger tire, yes? Some say the longer chainstays aren’t 
noticeable, but I’ve always wondered. Since seeing it online, I have been 
dreaming about the dark sage Cheviot, and I *think* I could part with my Betty 
- but only for that Cheviot. I’ve come to love my bike so much that it feels 
like an extension of my own body, and anything else would feel foreign at this 
point. Except another Riv mixte. So, I’m in the process of really evaluating it 
it’s worth it to “upgrade”, working through feelings of selfishness at not 
being content with a perfectly good Rivendell,  wondering how to break it to my 
husband (whose eyes bugged out of his head in 2012 when I bought the Betty), 
and fretting over how to sell a frame, as it’s a first for me. You can probably 
relate!

So, depending on how that goes, there could be one well-loved 55 cm Betty on 
the market in the near future. Maybe.

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[RBW] anyone for NAHBS? March 15 - 17, Sacramento, CA

[Neil Doran]

North American Handmade Bike Show (NAHBS) is back in Sac this year (yay!). 
March 15 - 17.

Anybody else plan on going? Went last time it was in town, and it was a lot 
of fun. I plan to ride from home (Rocklin) probably for the Saturday 
session, if any other Sac-area folks want to meet up.

Cheers,

N.

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[RBW] Re: FotR: Updates, info, questions

[Neil Doran]

Most excellent! Was just wondering what the status was. Definitely in here.

I'm still up for rear-leading the Pine Mountain-BoFax ride...looks like it 
is about 33 miles, probably just about 50/50 dirt to pavement...lotsa 
climbing, but only significant one (I think) is pavement after Alpine Dam. 
This one has lots to offer..stellar views (depending on fog), history (Pine 
Mt Truck Road, the top of RePack, etc.), side trips galore (Tamarancho, 
Pine Mountain, RePack, etc.) for anyone who wants more (not me).

Going our own on food and drink sounds simple to me.

If I can carve out the time I intend to take the train down and do the 
'whole enchilada', riding through SF and Marin...but if I drive, I can 
bring large quantities of firewood and related supplies. But I would rather 
ride.

Thank you for doing the legwork on this.

On Friday, January 18, 2019 at 12:01:31 PM UTC-8, Justin, Oakland wrote:
>
> Hey folks,
> As was alluded to earlier I was able to get campgrounds for the weekend of 
> July 19-21 at Devil's Gulch Group Camps in Samuel P Taylor Park.
> Location: https://goo.gl/maps/Qhv67LvKJLT2
> Park Info: http://www.parks.ca.gov/?page_id=469
> Please read the info there
> Camp site details:
> - Limit of 10 folks per site. I'm thinking that we can be fudgey with that 
> number because we are coming on bikes and are very good stewards and 
> citizens and will be on our best behavior
> - 3 Vehicles allowed per site if folks want to have family come that 
> aren't bike-riders or just want to drive to the camp/ride
> - Drinking water & Restrooms are available
> - Tents only, no hammocks
>
> Now on to activities & other things:
> Are you going for sure? Register here: https://rbwxxv.eventbrite.com
>
> Many folks said they would want to lead a ride of some sort. Would a sign 
> up via a Google Form make sense?
> Do we want to group-coordinate food? Drinks? Campfire supplies? Or do we 
> want to do it individually?
>
> Any other considerations I have yet to bring up?
> -J
>
>
>

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[RBW] FotR: Updates, info, questions

[Justin, Oakland]

Hey folks,
As was alluded to earlier I was able to get campgrounds for the weekend of 
July 19-21 at Devil's Gulch Group Camps in Samuel P Taylor Park.
Location: https://goo.gl/maps/Qhv67LvKJLT2
Park Info: http://www.parks.ca.gov/?page_id=469
Please read the info there
Camp site details:
- Limit of 10 folks per site. I'm thinking that we can be fudgey with that 
number because we are coming on bikes and are very good stewards and 
citizens and will be on our best behavior
- 3 Vehicles allowed per site if folks want to have family come that aren't 
bike-riders or just want to drive to the camp/ride
- Drinking water & Restrooms are available
- Tents only, no hammocks

Now on to activities & other things:
Are you going for sure? Register here: https://rbwxxv.eventbrite.com

Many folks said they would want to lead a ride of some sort. Would a sign 
up via a Google Form make sense?
Do we want to group-coordinate food? Drinks? Campfire supplies? Or do we 
want to do it individually?

Any other considerations I have yet to bring up?
-J


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Re: [RBW] Re: Lack of Betty Foys for sale.

[lconley]

>
> Is there a big demand? I have been thinking of thinning my herd (25 total, 
> 10 Rivs). I have a Betty Foy that I call Brass Betty because of the 
> hammered brass Honjo fenders. 60 cm, 1x9, fillet brazed Bosco-Moose 
> handlebars. I have a Riv custom on order and may have to buy a fillet 
> brazed Gus Boots and the Betty has only been ridden a few hundred miles. It 
> is the kind of bike that really stands out from the crowd.
>

Laing
Cocoa, FL 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Lack of Betty Foys for sale.

[Jim Bronson]

Geez.  I would have offered them back to the sender before taking them to
Goodwill.

Then again, I would never take any bike to Goodwill, anyway.

Jim

On Fri, Jan 18, 2019 at 1:21 PM masmojo  wrote:

> Reasons why more Betty Foys don't pop up.
> First, there probably never really that many to start with.
> 2) Being replaced by the Cheviot.
> 3) The introduction of the Clementine.
> 4) It was more or less targeted for women & sadly there's a much smaller
> number of female cyclists.
> 5) Probably more than most Rivendells, as in your example are purchased
> for the intended user by a well meaning loved one. Depending on that
> relationship, daughter,  wife, girlfriend, etc. The bike may be ridden or
> it may sit in the garage,  store unit, etc.
> Many BF recipients may have no clue about their bikes origin or how
> exceptional it really is. So they may pass it down, give it to charity or
> worse just let it collect dust. I was brutally made aware of this by my
> sister who I discovered gave a bunch of REALLY nice bikes that I  had sent
> them to the Goodwill while cleaning out their storage room. When I see how
> much similar bikes go for on Ebay it's hard to keep from crying.
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[RBW] Re: How to select a Brooks saddle

[John Phillips]

Thanks Howard!

John

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[RBW] Re: Lack of Betty Foys for sale.

[masmojo]

Reasons why more Betty Foys don't pop up.
First, there probably never really that many to start with.
2) Being replaced by the Cheviot.
3) The introduction of the Clementine.
4) It was more or less targeted for women & sadly there's a much smaller number 
of female cyclists. 
5) Probably more than most Rivendells, as in your example are purchased for the 
intended user by a well meaning loved one. Depending on that relationship, 
daughter,  wife, girlfriend, etc. The bike may be ridden or it may sit in the 
garage,  store unit, etc.
Many BF recipients may have no clue about their bikes origin or how exceptional 
it really is. So they may pass it down, give it to charity or worse just let it 
collect dust. I was brutally made aware of this by my sister who I discovered 
gave a bunch of REALLY nice bikes that I  had sent them to the Goodwill while 
cleaning out their storage room. When I see how much similar bikes go for on 
Ebay it's hard to keep from crying. 

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Re: [RBW] Lack of Betty Foys for sale.

[Justin, Oakland]

I think Garth writes copy text for Dr Bronners. 

-J

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[RBW] Re: Cheviut? More like Chevi-awesome. Amiright?

[Adam Leibow]

SO NICE. this is inspiring me to update mine.

On Wednesday, January 16, 2019 at 7:49:56 PM UTC-8, Stephen W. wrote:
>
> Howdy y'all, 
> So I went ahead and got my hands on a 60cm Cheviot, picked it up from 
> a group member,Erl, (believe he goes by WETH...Thanks Erl!). I had my eye 
> on the brown-green-bronze sheep bike since stumbling across Rivendell a few 
> years ago but didn't pull the trigger back when the bronze moss was offered 
> because a Hunqapillar was calling my name a little bit louder. I like green 
> bikes; don't judge.  To me, the Cheviut exudes "Hippie-grandpa-coolness". 
> I had heard that the ride was comparable to floating on a cloud while 
> wearing a Snuggie and eating cotton candy; now I don't know about that but 
> this sucker is smooth as all get out...smooth and comfy and responsive and 
> quick and cushy and awesome. That's my unbiased opinion of the Rivendell 
> Cheviot. Mic drop. ✌ 
>
> Best, 
>
> Stephen 

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Re: [RBW] Lack of Betty Foys for sale.

['Abcyclehank' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Five to seven years ago Betty’s seemed slightly common for sale from my 
perspective but that could be egocentricism at work where what your mind 
focuses on it notices.  When I buy new vehicles for my wife I am always 
surprised by how many I notice within my surroundings that I never noticed 
before.
Brings back car games like Slugbug and I spy.
ILike Joe I only recall 1-2 Large Black rebadged YSMs.

I would not part with a Betty today if I had one.  Again personally biased from 
historically hunting for other rare RIV breeds on the large side of the 
spectrum.

Ryan “68cm Riv horder” Hankinson

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Re: [RBW] Lack of Betty Foys for sale.

[Joe Bernard]

I don't know what ALL is ALL means, but I think a lot of us who hang around the 
Riv thing regularly overestimate how many are out there. I've seen one Betty in 
person, and have never even seen its twin the Yves Gomez for sale anywhere 
online as a used bike.   

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[RBW] Re: FotR: Group campsites got

[DarinM]

Nice, this is going on my calendar for sure. Hoping to make it down from 
Seattle!

Darin

On Friday, January 18, 2019 at 8:16:04 AM UTC-8, Justin, Oakland wrote:
>
> Hey folks- 
> I have been able to secure the Devil’s Gulch group campsites in samuel P 
> taylor Park for the weekend of July 17-20!
>
> We’ll hash out more details later and I know it’s not the Madrone Group 
> campground but if we want that then we’ll have to do the gathering later 
> and I’ll need some assistance at 12:01am to get it!
>
> Justin
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[RBW] WTT: NItto Pearl Stem

[Brian Campbell]

I have a 90mm Nitto Pearl, quill stem (26.0) and would like to swap it for 
an 80mm Nitto, Pearl quill stem (26.0). Mine is in nice shape so I am 
looking for the same. Thanks!

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[RBW] Re: How to select a Brooks saddle

[Howard Hatten]

John Philips asked the width of the c-19 Brooks saddle. 
My 3 week old c-19 carved measures as advertised 

Howard
Livonia Mi

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[RBW] Re: Cheviut? More like Chevi-awesome. Amiright?

[Evan E.]

Beauty! Love the setup, and of course the brown-green-bronze paint.

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[RBW] Re: Boyz on the Hoods: 4th Annual Escape from Super Bowl Weekend Campout

[Clayton.sf]

For fancier lighter tents check out tarptent.com. I have their contrail and 
it is a great tent. You will have seam seal it yourself and supply a tyvek 
ground sheet.

Hammock camping is well worth looking into too. If permitted and suitable 
for the environment I prefer the hammock, but still use the tent quite a 
bit since trees are not everywhere and some campsites forbid them. In 
general though being above the dirt and wet is more pleasant than on the 
dirt and wet. 

Other drawbacks of the hammock are setup time takes longer to get it 
perfect. More bulk for similar warmth. A pain in the butt to share with 
someone. Learning curve. Research time wasted ;-). 

In the end, having both is nice. If I had to go with just one I would go 
with a tent, but sleep much better in a hammock.

IN ADDITION AND ONLY SOMEWHAT RELATED: for those of you who own tarps - 
bring them. We had one rainy year and having tarps to string over the 
"communal area" immensely improved the experience. I will bring a 6'X8' and 
cord, but more is always better.

See you all soon!

Clayton Scott
HBG, CA

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[RBW] Re: FotR: Group campsites got

[Reed Kennedy]

Nice work Justin! These campsites are not easy to get.

Looking forward to riding with y'all this summer!


Reed

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>
> We’ll hash out more details later and I know it’s not the Madrone Group
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> and I’ll need some assistance at 12:01am to get it!
>
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[RBW] FotR: Group campsites got

['Justin August' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Hey folks-
I have been able to secure the Devil’s Gulch group campsites in samuel P taylor 
Park for the weekend of July 17-20!

We’ll hash out more details later and I know it’s not the Madrone Group 
campground but if we want that then we’ll have to do the gathering later and 
I’ll need some assistance at 12:01am to get it!

Justin

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[RBW] Re: Cheviut? More like Chevi-awesome. Amiright?

[Mark Schneider]

Really nice Cheviot, I like the fenders and the little chalk bag for your 
coffee while you ride home in the rain. Enjoy

On Wednesday, January 16, 2019 at 7:49:56 PM UTC-8, Stephen W. wrote:
>
> Howdy y'all, 
> So I went ahead and got my hands on a 60cm Cheviot, picked it up from 
> a group member,Erl, (believe he goes by WETH...Thanks Erl!). I had my eye 
> on the brown-green-bronze sheep bike since stumbling across Rivendell a few 
> years ago but didn't pull the trigger back when the bronze moss was offered 
> because a Hunqapillar was calling my name a little bit louder. I like green 
> bikes; don't judge.  To me, the Cheviut exudes "Hippie-grandpa-coolness". 
> I had heard that the ride was comparable to floating on a cloud while 
> wearing a Snuggie and eating cotton candy; now I don't know about that but 
> this sucker is smooth as all get out...smooth and comfy and responsive and 
> quick and cushy and awesome. That's my unbiased opinion of the Rivendell 
> Cheviot. Mic drop. ✌ 
>
> Best, 
>
> Stephen 

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[RBW] Cheviut? More like Chevi-awesome. Amiright?

[Stephen W.]

Lambbo,
   Thank you. I'm glad to be a part of the club!

Stephen 

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Re: [RBW] Cheviut? More like Chevi-awesome. Amiright?

[Stephen W.]

Eric,
   I can only imagine how one might miss a Cheviot. It saddens me! 

Stephen 

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[RBW] Cheviut? More like Chevi-awesome. Amiright?

[Stephen W.]

Erl, 
 Thank you sir!  You're 650b Hunqapillar is looking mighty spiffy as well.

Stephen

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[RBW] Re: Cheviut? More like Chevi-awesome. Amiright?

[Stephen W.]

Leah,
   Thank you! I also question why everyone does not own a Riv mixte...I might 
be biased though. 

Stephen 

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[RBW] Re: Cheviut? More like Chevi-awesome. Amiright?

[Stephen W.]

Joe,
  Can't beat the bronzey moss. 

Stephen

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[RBW] Re: Cheviut? More like Chevi-awesome. Amiright?

[Stephen W.]

Ian,
   The comparison was inevitable! Green, woodgrain, luggage. I finished 
installing the fenders, stepped back to take it all in and uttered, "Roll 'em 
up!"

Stephen 

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[RBW] Re: Bikepacking 27.5+ v. 29+

[Christopher Cote]

Patrick,

I built up a Surly Krampus with 29x3" tires last spring and pretty much 
rode it exclusively in 2018. I love the big wheels. I have also ridden a 
few Santa Cruz full suspension mountain bikes at demo events with 27.5x2.8" 
tires. The rolloverability (not a word, but I think you get my meaning) of 
the 29+ wheels is noticeable and much preferred in my opinion. As expected, 
the bigger wheels are heavier, have greater momentum (both good and bad), 
and for lack of a better word, more "stability". My Krampus will fit 
29x3.25" tires, and I am seriously considering going up to that size.

Now, these are "motorless motorycles" as Grant Petersen describes modern 
mountain bikes. That's OK by me, I like motorcycles, too. My use case is 
riding around in circles on tough single track, not bikepacking. I think 
that the benefits of 29+ would still apply to a GBW and bikepacking, though.

Chris



On Thursday, January 17, 2019 at 10:51:25 AM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Next question for those with fattish tire experience: differences in 
> rollover and gearing/effort for 27.5 and 29 in the 2.8” width. 
>
> Context, if it’s not immediately obvious: Boots. I fit either the large 
> (27.5) or xl (29). Application is bikepacking and daily riding, 1/3 each on 
> average paved, dirt, singletrack. 
>
> With abandon, 
> Patrick 
>
> www.CredoFamily.org 
> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org 
>

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[RBW] Re: Lack of Betty Foys for sale.

[Garth]

It's not a mystery, a Betty is a Betty and there's only one Betty... as 
a Cheviot is Cheviot  etc. etc.  They are each perfect just as they 
are. The web , however one views it, isn't all-inclusive, not ALL or even 
remotely so.  For example, it's like looking in a printed newspaper at the 
classified and assuming that's all that is for sale, when it's not ALL at 
all !  Assuming another medium could list more for sale will show more, but 
it's still not ALL. Only ALL is ALL and ALL is Infinity ;-) .  

  

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