[RBW] Re: daily post ur riv

[stoker]

Seat tube angle on Viv’s Riv: The image most likely has a bit of distortion (it 
was a quick iPhone pic). The actual angle is 73 degrees. 

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[RBW] Re: daily post ur riv

[Ray Varella]

@Stoker,
Viv’s Riv appears to have a really slack seat tube. 
Did she request that?

Nice bike

Ray
Vallejo CA

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[RBW] Re: daily post ur riv

[stoker]

Thanks - they are Nitto Jitensha B2522. My wife loves the bend and the Rustine 
grips are super comfy.

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[RBW] Re: daily post ur riv

[S]

That’s a nice build. What bars are those? 

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[RBW] Re: FS: 59CM Soma San Marcos Complete $1100

[Nick Morehouse]

Forgot to mention, the price does NOT include shipping. I live in Hampton 
Roads area of Virginia and am willing to drive up to an hour or two if it 
assists with delivery.

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[RBW] Re: daily post ur riv

[stoker]

https://flickr.com/photos/107142884@N05/sets/72157706641803421

My wife’s 2001 Custom...

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Re: [RBW] Re: Riv HHH tandem fundraiser 2.0, updated campaign!

[Alex Wirth- Owner, Yellow Haus Bicycles]

Just in case some of you are following this thread as opposed to the other 
"Last Call for Parts" thread:

*Hey All!  A heart felt thank you to everyone that donated something to our 
parts listwe put together a healthy little cache!  If you would be so 
kind, send your donation directly to Rivendell at the following address:*

*Rivendell Bicycle Works*
*C/O Will Keating, Hubbah BSC project*
*2040 N Main St #19*
*Walnut Creek, CA 94596*

*There is no particular rush so if you send your parts out within the next 
week via USPS that should be more than sufficient.*

*Thank you again to everyone that donated parts and money alike!  I will 
update everyone once we have the bike built, delivered and have a few rides 
in*

*Cheers,*

*Alex*

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[RBW] Re: Last Call: Parts donations for San Diego BSC hubbahubbah tandem

[Alex Wirth- Owner, Yellow Haus Bicycles]

Hey All!  A heart felt thank you to everyone that donated something to our 
parts listwe put together a healthy little cache!  If you would be so 
kind, send your donation directly to Rivendell at the following address:

Rivendell Bicycle Works
C/O Will Keating, Hubbah BSC project
2040 N Main St #19
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There is no particular rush so if you send your parts out within the next 
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Thank you again to everyone that donated parts and money alike!  I will 
update everyone once we have the bike built, delivered and have a few rides 
in

Cheers,

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Re: [RBW] New Here. I am thinking of selling my Betty Foy, any advice on value?

[Joe Bernard]

Ah, I see. I had an Electra version of old Dutch bikes (Amsterdam, also crazy 
heavy), and it was the only non-recumbent I ever owned that I could reach the 
ground on like in your pic.  

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Re: [RBW] New Here. I am thinking of selling my Betty Foy, any advice on value?

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Cinzaw, sounds like you have it well in hand and have the experience to suss it 
out. Let us know how you get on.

With abandon,
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[RBW] Re: New Here. I am thinking of selling my Betty Foy, any advice on value?

[Benz, Sunnyvale, CA]

On Saturday, April 20, 2019 at 3:55:24 PM UTC-7, Drw wrote:
>
> I see. You are saying you can’t put one foot down, not both feet 
> simultaneously. I think there was some confusion about that. Seems like you 
> know plenty about riding and stopping. I’m a little mystified about how a 
> bike that otherwise fits would not allow for what your picture shows. What 
> size were your other bikes?


Indeed! Rivendell bikes tend to have low bottom brackets and slack seat 
tube angles, so as far as conventional bikes go, they're as easy to pull 
off one-footed stops as any. Something's missing from the picture.

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Re: [RBW] Surprise New Bike Day: My MOM

[Mike Williams]

This is such a great story!So cool your whole family had a good time

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> On Apr 20, 2019, at 5:02 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
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> Hehe, I could totally see hubby as Leah's stoker 
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Re: [RBW] New Here. I am thinking of selling my Betty Foy, any advice on value?

[Steve Palincsar]

You're not going to be able to do that with any standard geometry diamond 
frame bike that fits you properly.  If that's really a requirement you need 
a semi-recumbent like a Rans.  Or, alternatively, you could reconsider the 
idea and learn how to dismount properly at a stop sign, one foot on the 
ground and one still on the pedal.

On Saturday, April 20, 2019 at 1:18:42 PM UTC-4, cinzaw wrote:
>
> Thank you Doug.
>
> Yup, I want my toes  (not whole foot) to touch the ground if I am on the 
> seat with a slight tilt towards the standing foot. (waiting at stop signs 
> and such instead of jumping off the bike) I found snugging the spanner 
> on my Brooks made getting off easier. 
>
>  I love this bike and am going to try and make it work. 
>
> Thanks for the suggestions, glad to know there are choices but I LOVE 
> my Betty for its quality and ride... it's going to be hard to find a 
> replacement if I do not sort this out.
>
>
> :
>>
>> Hey cinzaw.
>>
>> If I'm understanding what you wrote, you want to be able to touch both 
>> feet to the ground while seated on the saddle?  If that is what you're 
>> saying, that is not really related to the bike fitting you or not.  That 
>> saddle height will also be far too low for efficient and safe pedaling, 
>> IMHO.  OTOH, there are bikes designed with a very slack seat tube angle to 
>> allow this and still have adequate reach to the pedals for efficient 
>> pedaling.  Electra was the first I know of to do this, but I'm sure there 
>> are lots like that available now...
>>
>> Regards, Doug
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 19, 2019 at 1:56 PM cinzaw  wrote:
>>
>>> I have a blue Betty Foy I got fall of  2012 in quite  good condition.  
>>> It is a smidge too tall for my toes to hit the ground even with the post 
>>> all the way down.  I may sell it if I can not get a good fit with a 
>>> different saddle.  (currently B67  .. I will try B17s or C19)  
>>>
>>> Any general advice on selling?   Condition very good, paint has nicks 
>>> from locking.  Albatross handles, cork grips, gears on the handles Set 
>>> for upright .
>>>
>>> How much might I hope for?
>>>
>>> ps.. My BF  a wonderful ride.. like a Rolls, but terrifying to jump off 
>>> of in slippery conditions when I don't quite have my feet on the ground.
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[RBW] Re: New Here. I am thinking of selling my Betty Foy, any advice on value?

[Drw]

I see. You are saying you can’t put one foot down, not both feet 
simultaneously. I think there was some confusion about that. Seems like you 
know plenty about riding and stopping. I’m a little mystified about how a bike 
that otherwise fits would not allow for what your picture shows. What size were 
your other bikes? 

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[RBW] Re: New Here. I am thinking of selling my Betty Foy, any advice on value?

[cinzaw]

Had and loved that Dutch Bike.. Heavy as a cast iron stove!  Love my Betty 
more though, it is the queen of bikes.


On Saturday, April 20, 2019 at 12:23:42 PM UTC-7, Garth wrote:
>
>
> FWIW, if you can pedal mid-foot instead of on your toes you can lower the 
> saddle considerably, allowing at least one foot to tip toe on the ground 
> when stopped. 
>
> If not, many european and Dutch designed city bikes are designed for a one 
> foot touchdown. Here's a couple links that may spark your curiosity. 
>
> http://lovelybike.blogspot.com/2011/06/putting-your-foot-down.html
>
> http://lovelybike.blogspot.com/2012/06/how-upright-is-upright.html
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Iu_Ac_OrZA
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[RBW] Re: New Here. I am thinking of selling my Betty Foy, any advice on value?

[cinzaw]

It is 55...
Not sure about selling it, I'm sorting out my difficulty with touching a 
toe to the ground first.



On Friday, April 19, 2019 at 2:13:33 PM UTC-7, Sean B. wrote:
>
> Cinzaw,
>
> I can't give you a price. But what size is it? Might be interested once 
> you come up with a price. 
>
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[RBW] Re: New Here. I am thinking of selling my Betty Foy, any advice on value?

[cinzaw]

Thank you.  
Not selling yet, just wondering.

On Saturday, April 20, 2019 at 11:22:28 AM UTC-7, sameness wrote:
>
> People sell such bikes here on the RBW Owner's Bunch. 
>
> If you still have a copy of the original Rivendell invoice and you have 
> not made any significant component changes, I would type out those line 
> items.
>
> The invoice will also tell you what size bike frame you have, which is 
> perhaps the most important detail to a potential buyer. 
>
> As Ed pointed out upstream, search for "betty foy 
> "
>  
> and "yves gomez 
> "
>  
> on this very forum and you can get a sense of historical pricing from there.
>
> If I had to guess I would say that you can expect about 50% of your 
> original purchase price, depending upon condition.
>
> You will likely have a hard time selling to anyone who isn't local without 
> at least a couple of pictures.
>
> Jeff Hagedorn
> Los Angeles, CA USA
>
> On Saturday, April 20, 2019 at 10:18:56 AM UTC-7, cinzaw wrote:
>>
>> Thank you. I paid over 2711 from Rivendell, nice to know I might get it 
>> back.  Grant Peterson took the order himself.
>>
>> Where do people sell such bikes?  
>> Here, Ebay, Craigslist?
>>  Is Rivendell interested in collecting their old bikes?
>> Is there a good place to research sales for prices? 
>>
>> Cynthia
>> Eugene, Oregon.
>>
>

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[RBW] You meet the nicest people on a Rivendell

[Patrick Moore]

As I walked the 2003 through the crowded aisles of the Corrales Sprout's
this afternoon, I was accosted by 2 strangers who wanted to praise and
inquire about the bike; particularly liked the faux-hammered VO fenders.

One of them was a woman in her, I'd guess, late 30s or early 40s (anyone
under 50 looks young to me), retired racer for Chris Chance or one of his
spinoffs, carbon fiber riding but with the wit and experience to appreciate
steel quality. The other was a hugely overweight but surprisingly spry man
in his (I'd guess -- anyone over 65 looks old to me) 70s.

That's the typical response; the negative ones -- like the young upstart
who (also inside Sprout's) who called it an "old steelie" are very rare.

Patrick Moore, pushing total bike + rider + grocery load against the wind
in a 70" gear, in temperate ABQ, NM

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[RBW] Surprise New Bike Day: My MOM

[Joe Bernard]

Hehe, I could totally see hubby as Leah's stoker 

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[RBW] Surprise New Bike Day: My MOM

[Ray Varella]

Great story!


The big question, has a HHH tandem become a topic of conversation in your 
family?

Ray
Vallejo CA

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[RBW] Re: FS: Brooks Flyer Special

[Joe Bernard]

SOLD

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Re: [RBW] Re: New Here. I am thinking of selling my Betty Foy, any advice on value?

[Doug Van Cleve]

You got it Patrick, knee wear and tear ;^)

Doug

On Sat, Apr 20, 2019 at 12:21 PM 'Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch <
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> - I'm unsure what Doug is referring to about "dangerous" low saddle.
> Saddles can be "too low" (whatever that is) and ride just fine and safe.
> Feel free to ride you saddle low as you get used to standing at stops, and
> raise it slowly if you desire or keep it there. The only issue I can think
> some folks may have with a "too low" saddle is knee strain, but proper
> riding techniques can make that a non-issue as well.
>
> It sounds like in every other way you delight in your Betty Foy. That
> seems to indicate it is properly sized and that some patience and practice
> will iron this issue out and you'l have a lifetime together of amazing
> riding! Feel free to holler at us with any head-scratchers! Grin.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
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[RBW] Re: New Here. I am thinking of selling my Betty Foy, any advice on value?

[Garth]

FWIW, if you can pedal mid-foot instead of on your toes you can lower the 
saddle considerably, allowing at least one foot to tip toe on the ground 
when stopped. 

If not, many european and Dutch designed city bikes are designed for a one 
foot touchdown. Here's a couple links that may spark your curiosity. 

http://lovelybike.blogspot.com/2011/06/putting-your-foot-down.html

http://lovelybike.blogspot.com/2012/06/how-upright-is-upright.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Iu_Ac_OrZA

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[RBW] Re: New Here. I am thinking of selling my Betty Foy, any advice on value?

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Welcome, Cinzaw! As others have mentioned, it is difficult to get the saddle 
low enough to do what you describe, at least that isn't built with slack angles 
as Doug mentioned, in which case it will likely ride very differently and not 
like a Rivendell. I think you may be amazed by how much practice builds skill 
and this becomes a non-issue. A few things to play with in the neighborhood, 
practicing stops, stands, and starts without traffic:

- lean the bike a bit more and one foot it. This is surprisingly stable but 
just takes a bit of getting used to. I do this all winter, including on 
snowpacked roads through town without issue.
- two foot stand, off (forward) of the saddle. Coast to a stop, and step to the 
ground. Do this by backpedaling with one foot till it is at the bottom, coast 
to your stop point, brake and stand on the low pedal as you stop, placing your 
high pedaled foot to the ground as you shift forward off the saddle. Backpedal 
to position the desired pedal at "1 o'clock", so it's ready to go. When it's 
time to go, put your foot on the 1 o'clock pedal, weight it, standing as the 
bike goes forward, and pop up into the saddle and you're on your way. Practice 
this a few times and it will become very smooth and second nature, even at busy 
intersections.
- I'm unsure what Doug is referring to about "dangerous" low saddle. Saddles 
can be "too low" (whatever that is) and ride just fine and safe. Feel free to 
ride you saddle low as you get used to standing at stops, and raise it slowly 
if you desire or keep it there. The only issue I can think some folks may have 
with a "too low" saddle is knee strain, but proper riding techniques can make 
that a non-issue as well.

It sounds like in every other way you delight in your Betty Foy. That seems to 
indicate it is properly sized and that some patience and practice will iron 
this issue out and you'l have a lifetime together of amazing riding! Feel free 
to holler at us with any head-scratchers! Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Surprise New Bike Day: My MOM

[in Dallas nick]

That is so cool!




Riv should consider hiring you as a 


spokes person. (not wheels)




Perhaps your Mom's will arrive around 


Mother's day.




Paul in Dallas 















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[RBW] Re: New Here. I am thinking of selling my Betty Foy, any advice on value?

[sameness]

People sell such bikes here on the RBW Owner's Bunch. 

If you still have a copy of the original Rivendell invoice and you have not 
made any significant component changes, I would type out those line items.

The invoice will also tell you what size bike frame you have, which is 
perhaps the most important detail to a potential buyer. 

As Ed pointed out upstream, search for "betty foy 
"
 
and "yves gomez 
"
 
on this very forum and you can get a sense of historical pricing from there.

If I had to guess I would say that you can expect about 50% of your 
original purchase price, depending upon condition.

You will likely have a hard time selling to anyone who isn't local without 
at least a couple of pictures.

Jeff Hagedorn
Los Angeles, CA USA

On Saturday, April 20, 2019 at 10:18:56 AM UTC-7, cinzaw wrote:
>
> Thank you. I paid over 2711 from Rivendell, nice to know I might get it 
> back.  Grant Peterson took the order himself.
>
> Where do people sell such bikes?  
> Here, Ebay, Craigslist?
>  Is Rivendell interested in collecting their old bikes?
> Is there a good place to research sales for prices? 
>
> Cynthia
> Eugene, Oregon.
>

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Re: [RBW] New Here. I am thinking of selling my Betty Foy, any advice on value?

[Joe Bernard]

Unfortunately bikes really aren't designed for what you're trying to do. If you 
can't find a curb at a stop-light/sign to reach your foot out to, then you need 
to push your right foot down on the pedal and lever off the saddle as you reach 
your left foot down to the road to stop. 

Now you should have both feet on the ground and standing over the frame. Spin 
the right pedal forward to step on again, then push on it with your right foot 
to start pedaling again as you lever back up onto the saddle. 

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Re: [RBW] New Here. I am thinking of selling my Betty Foy, any advice on value?

[cinzaw]

Thank you Doug.

Yup, I want my toes  (not whole foot) to touch the ground if I am on the 
seat with a slight tilt towards the standing foot. (waiting at stop signs 
and such instead of jumping off the bike) I found snugging the spanner 
on my Brooks made getting off easier. 

 I love this bike and am going to try and make it work. 

Thanks for the suggestions, glad to know there are choices but I LOVE 
my Betty for its quality and ride... it's going to be hard to find a 
replacement if I do not sort this out.


:
>
> Hey cinzaw.
>
> If I'm understanding what you wrote, you want to be able to touch both 
> feet to the ground while seated on the saddle?  If that is what you're 
> saying, that is not really related to the bike fitting you or not.  That 
> saddle height will also be far too low for efficient and safe pedaling, 
> IMHO.  OTOH, there are bikes designed with a very slack seat tube angle to 
> allow this and still have adequate reach to the pedals for efficient 
> pedaling.  Electra was the first I know of to do this, but I'm sure there 
> are lots like that available now...
>
> Regards, Doug
>
> On Fri, Apr 19, 2019 at 1:56 PM cinzaw > 
> wrote:
>
>> I have a blue Betty Foy I got fall of  2012 in quite  good condition.  It 
>> is a smidge too tall for my toes to hit the ground even with the post all 
>> the way down.  I may sell it if I can not get a good fit with a different 
>> saddle.  (currently B67  .. I will try B17s or C19)  
>>
>> Any general advice on selling?   Condition very good, paint has nicks 
>> from locking.  Albatross handles, cork grips, gears on the handles Set 
>> for upright .
>>
>> How much might I hope for?
>>
>> ps.. My BF  a wonderful ride.. like a Rolls, but terrifying to jump off 
>> of in slippery conditions when I don't quite have my feet on the ground.
>>
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[RBW] Re: New Here. I am thinking of selling my Betty Foy, any advice on value?

[cinzaw]

Thank you. I paid over 2711 from Rivendell, nice to know I might get it 
back.  Grant Peterson took the order himself.

Where do people sell such bikes?  
Here, Ebay, Craigslist?
 Is Rivendell interested in collecting their old bikes?
Is there a good place to research sales for prices? 

Cynthia
Eugene, Oregon.


On Friday, April 19, 2019 at 3:47:01 PM UTC-7, Ian A wrote:
>
> Best to post a few pictures detailing components and any scratches etc. 
> The size of the frame is important, so post frame size or some 
> measurements. 
>
> Your location would be good for people to know. 
>
> Value would depend on condition and components, but with photos, component 
> details and measurements, there will be people on the list who will be able 
> to suggest what it's worth. Probably about what you paid for it back in 
> 2012 give or take a little.
>
> IanA
> Alberta Canada 
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Soma Supple Vitesse

[Cruzxv]

Hi.
What bike is it in the photo?

On Thursday, November 23, 2017 at 7:46:18 AM UTC+4, Mark in Beacon wrote:
>
> I like my Vitesse. I have the 700 x 42. Previously this bike had the 
> Compass Barlow 38s. I would agree that the Compass ride a little 
> better--and room for fenders. For me it is handling. That may be a function 
> of the width taking the bike geometries into an area that starts to 
> slightly degrade performance. Who knows. Good tire though, and it looks 
> nice.
>
>
> 
>
>
> On Wednesday, November 22, 2017 at 10:23:24 AM UTC-8, James Warren wrote:
>>
>> Both great 
>>
>> Compass ride a little better. I feel more efficient on them. 
>>
>> SV wins the width race in 70C. 48's 
>>
>> But I like the Compass 44's a little better. 
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone 
>>
>> > On Nov 21, 2017, at 9:44 PM, Adam Kilgas  
>> wrote: 
>> > 
>> > I've been looking at these tires as well... Been wondering how they 
>> compare to Compass' offerings.  Also wondering how much clearance the 48mm 
>> version would leave under a canti Sam. 
>> > 
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Re: [RBW] Re: What're the best cantilever brakes out there?

[Sean PNW]

I run Tektro 720s on my lock up/commuter/porteur and they work just fine 
with salmon pads, clearing inflated RTPs with ease.

I've Pauls on another nicer bike and prefer them over the Tektro 720s, 
they're the best cantis I've used.

However, so long as they're decent brakes, i.e. any of the mentioned 
flavors: Pauls/720s/CX70s/CX50s/Older XTs/RH/IRD/VO/etc, my experience has 
been that proper set up generally trumps the nuanced strengths and 
weaknesses inherent in each particular model. 

I'd recommend referencing this when you set up which ever cantis you land 
upon, it's a pretty comprehensive overview of the little tricks which add 
up to make a big difference:

https://blackmtncycles.com/get-the-most-out-of-your-canti-brake/




On Monday, April 15, 2019 at 7:55:30 PM UTC-7, Mark in Beacon wrote:
>
> Hi Will. Yes, I've been rolling with the tektro 720's on my 26in road bike 
> for a few years, been through a couple of sets of Koolstops. Steve, they do 
> have the grub screw. But it's not necessary to use it.
>
> I think there are lots of variables that makes for such a wide variety of 
> opinions. The two main ones in my estimation would be brake setup and user 
> expectation.
>
> n Monday, April 15, 2019 at 8:56:05 PM UTC-4, William deRosset wrote:
> > Dear Mark,
> > 
> > Tektro cr720's are a fine enough brake, and when set up properly, work 
> as well as any. They have the significant advantage of using orbital brake 
> pads and slotted pad holder mounts that greatly simplify setup. Just 
> replace the astonishingly bad Tektro brake blocks with Kool-Stop Salmon pads
> > Also, the hardware on the brake is less-than-beautifully finished, if 
> functional. 
> > 
> > They punch well above their $45/bike price. Add $12 for Salmon pads up 
> front.
> > 
> > If cost is no object, then the RH brakes work well in my experience. 
> They are lovely as well.
> > 
> > Best Regards,
> > 
> > Will
> > William M deRosset
> > Fort Collins CO USA
>
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[RBW] Re: FS: Almost New Arkel Panniers: T-42 and T-28

[Sean on Bike]

Everything's still available as of today, Saturday. Wish everyone a great 
Easter tomorrow, hopefully with your families.

On Friday, April 19, 2019 at 5:40:12 PM UTC-5, Sean on Bike wrote:
>
> Set of 4 panniers that are truly like new. The T-42's that saw one weekend 
> trip on my Homer Hilsen. One T-28 has been used more but still could pass 
> for a store display. The mate is virtually unused. Paying college 2 
> tuitions now; 'nuff said.
>
> If you're familiar with Arkel, you know they're built like a Rivendell, 
> will last your lifetime, and perhaps your children's too. Paid just under 
> $500 for the set with two T-42 raincovers. Those have never been unpacked 
> nor seen the light of day. 
>
> I'll ship everything, 4 panniers and two raincovers CONUS, for $285.
>
> Sean in Eden Prairie, MN
>
> Let me know if you have any trouble viewing images here: 
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/66219337@N06/
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Re: [RBW] New Here. I am thinking of selling my Betty Foy, any advice on value?

[Doug Van Cleve]

Hey cinzaw.

If I'm understanding what you wrote, you want to be able to touch both feet
to the ground while seated on the saddle?  If that is what you're saying,
that is not really related to the bike fitting you or not.  That saddle
height will also be far too low for efficient and safe pedaling, IMHO.
OTOH, there are bikes designed with a very slack seat tube angle to allow
this and still have adequate reach to the pedals for efficient pedaling.
Electra was the first I know of to do this, but I'm sure there are lots
like that available now...

Regards, Doug

On Fri, Apr 19, 2019 at 1:56 PM cinzaw  wrote:

> I have a blue Betty Foy I got fall of  2012 in quite  good condition.  It
> is a smidge too tall for my toes to hit the ground even with the post all
> the way down.  I may sell it if I can not get a good fit with a different
> saddle.  (currently B67  .. I will try B17s or C19)
>
> Any general advice on selling?   Condition very good, paint has nicks from
> locking.  Albatross handles, cork grips, gears on the handles Set for
> upright .
>
> How much might I hope for?
>
> ps.. My BF  a wonderful ride.. like a Rolls, but terrifying to jump off of
> in slippery conditions when I don't quite have my feet on the ground.
>
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