date:20191121

Jason: A small aside (excellent Sam, btw), I dig the tusk '92 XO-1. I think 
it's cool that it came with lightweight single-pivot caliper brakes for a more 
pure 26-inch wheel road bike. I've owned the orange '93 and it's awesome with 
cantis for a broader duty range, but I think the bike lost a bit of focus with 
that change. 

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[RBW] FS: 62 Canti Sam F/F/HS

2019-11-21 Thread Reid Echols

Hey folks, this one might be a catch and release for me. Less than 10 miles on 
it, and still mint condition. 62cm canti-Sam frameset, $1000 and we’ll split 
shipping. It’s a wonderful bike, but riding just a bit on the small side for 
me, and riding it alongside the Appaloosa has me convinced on Grant’s long stay 
philosophy, at least in my size frames. 

https://share.icloud.com/photos/06K4s_NoL0sS39JpuCTy__jGw

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Re: [RBW] Let me introduce my new friend, Sam, properly

Thanks for the additional info. Again, a very nice and interesting build.
And, very interesting to hear that the new model Sam can take 50s -- I
daresay with fenders, if you are careful with the installation? So perhaps
you could install the Rene Herse 700C X 55s without fenders? Amazing,
compared to the original model.

I use 60 mm tires (700C Big Ones) for our sand, but I've ridden 50s
successfully on the same terrain, and 50 seems to be the minimum for
adequate float (60 is better). So one could theoretically have a Sam sandy
road bike.

Patrick "but I use a 42 cm Maes Parallel bar on a 10 cm stem" Moore

On Thu, Nov 21, 2019 at 8:30 PM Jason Fuller  wrote:

> Thanks everyone for the comments!
>
> Patrick:  Yes, 50mm Tallux, and you're absolutely correct that it's all
> due to the wide bars. I would run an 80mm with "normal" drop bars.
> Reaching wider puts one's shoulders quite a bit further forward, all else
> equal. Tires are 650 x 48, but measure a touch wide at around 50mm. No
> issue with clearance on this iteration of the Sam!  6+mm everywhere, except
> about 4mm at the seatstay lug. This is a 51 frame with a 565 ETT I think it
> was, but as you say, with the slack ST angle it fits a bit shorter which I
> was counting on. These Compass / Rene Herse tires are wicked fast, nothing
> quite like them in the wider sizes. In my opinion, running supple, high TPI
> tires is one of the biggest improvements you can make to how a bike feels!
>
> Tom: I do find that the drops are a bit weird at this width, though I love
> the feel of riding the hoods. Aggressive off-road riding and pushing hard
> on uphills are the only times I find myself using them. But up top there
> are a few positions that are comfortable, so it's all good! The hoods kind
> of feel like riding an old MTB with bar ends, but without excessive reach.
> It's nice!
>
> Rob: Totally! I have an XO-1 actually, but sadly it's a white 1992, not
> the iconic orange 1993. I'd love for that to be a sibling bike!
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: There’s a new man in my life, and his name is Clem

If you mean that your ordered the VO metal clips, I'd suggest just using
them; I think that the danger of clogging the fender while riding
smooth-tread tires on pavement is so small as to be negligible. And,
perhaps these are made in USA!



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> Patrick Moore, are you going to ruin this for me? Oh fine, I just ordered
> the breakaways (they’re a grand total of $11 and change with shipping) and
> then I have them, come what may.
>
> A tip: The very nice guy on the phone said they have very few left in the
> shop; get them now! If they are out he said you can have your shop try to
> get them from a distributor. Or something.
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Re: [RBW] Let me introduce my new friend, Sam, properly

2019-11-21 Thread Jason Fuller

Thanks everyone for the comments!

Patrick: Yes, 50mm Tallux, and you're absolutely correct that it's all due
to the wide bars. I would run an 80mm with "normal" drop bars. Reaching
wider puts one's shoulders quite a bit further forward, all else equal.
Tires are 650 x 48, but measure a touch wide at around 50mm. No issue with
clearance on this iteration of the Sam! 6+mm everywhere, except about 4mm
at the seatstay lug. This is a 51 frame with a 565 ETT I think it was, but
as you say, with the slack ST angle it fits a bit shorter which I was
counting on. These Compass / Rene Herse tires are wicked fast, nothing
quite like them in the wider sizes. In my opinion, running supple, high TPI
tires is one of the biggest improvements you can make to how a bike feels!

Tom: I do find that the drops are a bit weird at this width, though I love
the feel of riding the hoods. Aggressive off-road riding and pushing hard
on uphills are the only times I find myself using them. But up top there
are a few positions that are comfortable, so it's all good! The hoods kind
of feel like riding an old MTB with bar ends, but without excessive reach.
It's nice!

Rob: Totally! I have an XO-1 actually, but sadly it's a white 1992, not the
iconic orange 1993. I'd love for that to be a sibling bike!

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[RBW] Re: For Sale Silver Crankset 173 low Double, bb, $160 shipped

2019-11-21 Thread Mark Roland

Thanks Bill. Yep, swing Wide *AND* Low with this baby!

On Thursday, November 21, 2019 at 10:28:56 AM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> For clarity, it looks like Mark is selling a Wide/Low which has 38/24 
> rings, and is NOT selling a Low/Low, which would have 34/24 rings.  Both 
> those models, currently available at Rivendell sell for $220 without a 
> bottom bracket, so this is a super nice price.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
>
>
> On Thursday, November 21, 2019 at 4:05:17 AM UTC-8, Mark Roland wrote:
>>
>> A low mileage 173 Silver crankset from Rivendell Bicycle Works. Lightly 
>> pre-scuffed, including Silver logo, low, low mileage, still 250,000 miles 
>> or many millions of revolutions* to go! Yours today for just $160! You 
>> heard right, $160! Act now and I will include the bottom bracket--and pay 
>> for the shipping! Why am I selling this beautiful, functional piece of 
>> cycling history? Because I have two! Make one yours today. Please contact 
>> off list. (Dealer fees and local taxes extra, but will not be charged! 
>> May cause sudden bursts of speed and/or extreme enjoyment. *Guaranteed, or 
>> to the end of your driveway, whichever comes second.)
>>
>> [image: MVIMG_20191006_123456198(1).jpg]
>>
>> [image: MVIMG_20191006_123446399(1).jpg]
>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: There’s a new man in my life, and his name is Clem

Steve is correct - that’s what PDW described to me. So maybe not an actual 
breakaway, but a design work-around. I’m not sure a mechanic would know what I 
meant, so I’ll bring the PDW breakaways when I have the fenders installed. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: There’s a new man in my life, and his name is Clem

Patrick Moore, are you going to ruin this for me? Oh fine, I just ordered the 
breakaways (they’re a grand total of $11 and change with shipping) and then I 
have them, come what may. 

A tip: The very nice guy on the phone said they have very few left in the shop; 
get them now! If they are out he said you can have your shop try to get them 
from a distributor. Or something. 

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[RBW] New vs. old Homer geometry, ride characteristics

2019-11-21 Thread Luis Garcia

Hey Jeffrey,

If you are asking about the clear bottles with the black tops, those came from 
Rivendell a few years ago.  The other bottles are Camelback bottles purchased 
at REI. 

Lui

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[RBW] New vs. old Homer geometry, ride characteristics

2019-11-21 Thread Jeffrey B

Can I ask where you got the water bottles? they are great.

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS Ostrich Panniers

2019-11-21 Thread 'John Hawrylak' via RBW Owners Bunch

Craig

Thanks for the reply.  Can you psot a picture of the back of the USED 
pannier.  I see how the top attaches to the rack.  I'm trying to understand 
how the bottom or lower part is attached.

John Hawrylak
Woodstown NJ

On Thursday, November 21, 2019 at 5:55:45 PM UTC-5, Craig Montgomery wrote:
>
> Sheesh. That's what I forgot. The other side. They strap to the rack 
> John,  just like a saddlebag straps to the loops. They're both the same 
> size. The new ones have never been stuffed so they're flat, thereby looking 
> larger. The used ones have my dirty sheets stuffed into them. They are made 
> for Nitto Campees which I just sold, but when I toured with them I had 'em 
> strapped to either a Tubus or a Nitto big rack depending on the bike. 
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/24722971@N05/6663920751/in/album-72157628786304143/
>  
>  https://www.flickr.com/photos/24722971@N05/15457893953/
>
> Craig
>
> On Thu, Nov 21, 2019 at 3:13 PM 'John Hawrylak' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com > wrote:
>
>> Craig
>>
>> Are the new and used the SAME size???   the used ones look smaller.
>>
>> How do they attach to the rack??  Clips on top and an elastic strap to 
>> the bottom??
>>
>> These are tempting since I already have the S2 saddle bag in same color
>>
>> John Hawrylak
>> Woodstown NJ
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Re: [RBW] Re: There’s a new man in my life, and his name is Clem

Are metal R clips "break away"? Those I've used seem to hold the struts
pretty tightly. I'll be glad if they are, since that's what I am using now
on the Matthews.

Now, I do think that *plastic* R clips release easily; but metal? Can
anyone confirm -- or correct -- the PDW opinion?

I just looked at Rene Herse: They sell the plastic ones as "quick release"
meaning safety release, but don't mention this with their metal clips.

https://www.renehersecycles.com/shop/components/fenders/berthoud-r-clamps/

*Plastic R-Clamps from Gilles Berthoud are useful if you want a quick
release on your fender stays: The plastic clamp will release the fender
stay if the fender crumbles. This is useful if your fenders are mounted
with less-than-optimal clearances. (If you have the recommended 20+ mm
clearance between tire and fender, there is little risk of a fender
collapsing and jamming into the fork crown.)*

*Why not use the plastic R-Clamps on all bikes? When you ride on rough
roads, the stays can work loose over time. Check them periodically to make
sure.*
Fabrique en France: I don't see why they have to be imported! Come to think
of it, the real cheapo fenders I bought for my Dahon have plastic R clips;
hecho en Mexio, probably.

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> I called PDW, and wow, were they helpful. I only meant to ask about the
> breakaways fitting other fenders, VO specifically. The guy was *so* nice
> and said, “Actually, I think VO has a system in place for break away
> already - I think it’s called ‘R clips.’” Sure enough, those clips are
> listed among parts coming with the fenders, though what they are isn’t
> explained. So, he told me I may not need his clips and I should call VO.
>
> I tried to confirm with VO, but they are an east coast office and are
> closed. So, I ordered the fenders online and will call VO in the morning. I
> told him there may be an increase in 650 b fender orders since their Beast
> fenders are being favorably discussed on our Google Group.

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Re: [RBW] Re: There’s a new man in my life, and his name is Clem

I called PDW, and wow, were they helpful. I only meant to ask about the 
breakaways fitting other fenders, VO specifically. The guy was *so* nice and 
said, “Actually, I think VO has a system in place for break away already - I 
think it’s called ‘R clips.’” Sure enough, those clips are listed among parts 
coming with the fenders, though what they are isn’t explained. So, he told me I 
may not need his clips and I should call VO. 

I tried to confirm with VO, but they are an east coast office and are closed. 
So, I ordered the fenders online and will call VO in the morning. I told him 
there may be an increase in 650 b fender orders since their Beast fenders are 
being favorably discussed on our Google Group. 

I ordered the VO silver wavy fenders that are good for tires up to 50 mm. The 
conversion from 2 inches to mm is 50.8. I hope they work! Now. I have to decide 
which poor mechanic I will inflict these upon. I dread asking...

One step closer to the finished product. Thanks again, friends!

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Re: [RBW] Re: There’s a new man in my life, and his name is Clem

2019-11-21 Thread DHans

Nice steed masmojo. I like the green saddle bag against the orange frame. Leah, 
I am enjoying your quest to personalize your bike! I’m on the hunt for a Clem L 
52 but will be patient and wait. My old GT mountain bike commuter conversion is 
really a nice ride. Old school steel. 
Doug

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Re: [RBW] Re: There’s a new man in my life, and his name is Clem

2019-11-21 Thread Leah Peterson

ALL IS RIGHT IN MY WORLD AND THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH!!

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 21, 2019, at 3:12 PM, Steve Palincsar  wrote:
> 
> 
> Here's what they look like installed:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> The end of the fender stay simply fits into the tab.  That should work with 
> any fender stay that is of the appropriate diameter.   I don't know what 
> diameter PDW uses for its fender stays, but you should be able to find that 
> out with an email or phone call; ditto for VO.   Neither seems to indicate 
> the fender stay diameter on their web sites.   Honjo uses a 5mm stay and it's 
> very likely so too do PDW and VO.  PDW's number is  (503) 234-7257
> 
> 
> 
> On 11/21/19 5:57 PM, Leah Peterson wrote:
>> Steve, is this a real possibility??? These clips will work on VO fenders???
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>>> On Nov 21, 2019, at 2:56 PM, Steve Palincsar  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> So you get the fenders you like and the PDW safety tabs Patrick mentioned, 
>>> nine bucks a set, and you quit angsting.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> https://ridepdw.com/products/full-metal-fenders-safety-tabs?variant=24829153601#
>>> 
>>> On 11/21/19 5:44 PM, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:
 Fenders: Riv says no, the SKS 50 will not work with Big Ben. Tight 
 clearance that will be noisy and troublesome. I’m back to hand-wringing 
 about safety vs beauty. The metal fenders that have the breakaways 
 are...ugly... I know how that comes off (vain, silly), but I am, after 
 all, a born and raised North Dakotan, and therefore practicality usually 
 rules. But oh, I’m tempted to get the wavy metal fenders 
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Re: [RBW] Re: There’s a new man in my life, and his name is Clem

2019-11-21 Thread Garth

   Well gee Leah, I have the P50 fenders on my Bombadil, they've been on 
there since I bought it. This year I got some 700x50mm Big Bens.The actual 
fender width is a little more than 50mm , and the tire a little less, *and 
there is more than enough vertical clearance*... as in however much I want. 
The width coverage is surely not "as they say" , yeah well so what, it's 
good enough for me. I have them on there more for road debris anyways, not 
so much rain as I find in an actual downpour I get soaked anyways and 
everyways and so does the bike. 

On Thursday, November 21, 2019 at 5:44:28 PM UTC-5, Bicycle Belle Ding 
Ding! wrote:
>
>
> Fenders: Riv says no, the SKS 50 will not work with Big Ben. Tight 
> clearance that will be noisy and troublesome.
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Re: [RBW] Re: There’s a new man in my life, and his name is Clem

Yes, those thingeys work on the fenders you want. Yay!!! 

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Re: [RBW] Re: There’s a new man in my life, and his name is Clem

2019-11-21 Thread Leah Peterson

Steve, is this a real possibility??? These clips will work on VO fenders???

Sent from my iPad

> On Nov 21, 2019, at 2:56 PM, Steve Palincsar  wrote:
> 
> 
> So you get the fenders you like and the PDW safety tabs Patrick mentioned, 
> nine bucks a set, and you quit angsting.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> https://ridepdw.com/products/full-metal-fenders-safety-tabs?variant=24829153601#
> 
> On 11/21/19 5:44 PM, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:
>> Fenders: Riv says no, the SKS 50 will not work with Big Ben. Tight clearance 
>> that will be noisy and troublesome. I’m back to hand-wringing about safety 
>> vs beauty. The metal fenders that have the breakaways are...ugly... I know 
>> how that comes off (vain, silly), but I am, after all, a born and raised 
>> North Dakotan, and therefore practicality usually rules. But oh, I’m tempted 
>> to get the wavy metal fenders 
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS Ostrich Panniers

2019-11-21 Thread Craig Montgomery

Sheesh. That's what I forgot. The other side. They strap to the rack John,
just like a saddlebag straps to the loops. They're both the same size. The
new ones have never been stuffed so they're flat, thereby looking larger.
The used ones have my dirty sheets stuffed into them. They are made for
Nitto Campees which I just sold, but when I toured with them I had 'em
strapped to either a Tubus or a Nitto big rack depending on the bike.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/24722971@N05/6663920751/in/album-72157628786304143/

 https://www.flickr.com/photos/24722971@N05/15457893953/

Craig

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>
> Are the new and used the SAME size???   the used ones look smaller.
>
> How do they attach to the rack??  Clips on top and an elastic strap to the
> bottom??
>
> These are tempting since I already have the S2 saddle bag in same color
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Re: [RBW] Re: There’s a new man in my life, and his name is Clem

Mad (Kev), no one need worry about stealing my thunder. It’s an equal
opportunity Clem thread, so carry on. Your Clementine is so sweet. ❤️

Joe - I wonder if you’ll forgive me when I tell you I ordered the blue Brooks.
Maybe overkill is my jam? Also, I got a good deal on it - $95 before taxes from
REI! I can return it if it’s “not my jam” and then you can be sure I’ll be
“quicker than a jackrabbit on a date” to get the black with copper. The bad
news is I have to wait until next week for it. Patience is a virtue but I don’t
have that one.

Ryan - you shush over there; you are worse about the details than I am! I
believe you once said, “I don’t ride saddles without copper rivets.” 藍 But
you’re right that I’m becoming the queen of the hex keys. It will be my one
thing.

Fenders: Riv says no, the SKS 50 will not work with Big Ben. Tight clearance
that will be noisy and troublesome. I’m back to hand-wringing about safety vs
beauty. The metal fenders that have the breakaways are...ugly... I know how
that comes off (vain, silly), but I am, after all, a born and raised North
Dakotan, and therefore practicality usually rules. But oh, I’m tempted to get
the wavy metal fenders

And the true tragedy is that I want to wrap my bike in Christmas lights but
will have to hold off until fenders and stem are in place. I wish patience was
my virtue

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Re: [RBW] Re: There’s a new man in my life, and his name is Clem

I can confirm that stealing Leah's thunder is futile, she just brings more 
thunder. 

Nice Clementine in an excellent color!  

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Re: [RBW] Re: Nitto stem comparo picture

Thanks, Matt.

I just swapped out a "8 cm" Nitto Pearl for a "8 cm" Nitto Technomic
Deluxe. Posting here what I posted on the Boblist: *The "8 cm" Nitto Pearl
measures 9 cm from center of bolt to center of clamp, ruler lying flat
along the top of the extension, and it weighs 300 grams on my hi tek
digital scale. The "8 cm" Tech Deluxe measures 8.5 cm ditto, and weighs 310
grams only, despite the very much longer quill and, expecially, the much
longer steel bolt. The old Specialized quill stems that Riv sold back in
the '90s, which were the first I used on my 2 Rivs and which, I think, were
made by Nitto, measured 8 cm ditto for stems labeled "8 cm." I don't recall
the weights.*

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> The Dynamic is sort of a lower-budget Pearl in that it's a road stem with
> a shorter usable length in the quill than a Technomic. It's not a direct
> replacement, though. The extension has a wider profile that thickens as it
> approaches the clamp, which is in turn about 5mm thicker on each side than
> a Pearl or Technomic. This means that some bars that fit Pearls and
> Technomics fine can't be threaded through, the Noodle among them.
>
> I've tried it against a Technomic and that thickness does in fact
> translate to noticeably more lateral stiffness. Great for a bike that you
> intend to be a hard-sprinting goon on, which is what I use mine for.
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Re: [RBW] Re: There’s a new man in my life, and his name is Clem

2019-11-21 Thread masmojo

Not trying to steal Leah's thunder, but I've referenced my Clementine a few 
times and it occurs to me there's no point of reference, because I have no real 
idea how to post pictures, but this one is mine.

https://photos.app.goo.gl/hesv4VLThm7nDuWy9

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[RBW] Re: Nitto stem comparo picture

2019-11-21 Thread Matt Dreher

The Dynamic is sort of a lower-budget Pearl in that it's a road stem with a 
shorter usable length in the quill than a Technomic. It's not a direct 
replacement, though. The extension has a wider profile that thickens as it 
approaches the clamp, which is in turn about 5mm thicker on each side than 
a Pearl or Technomic. This means that some bars that fit Pearls and 
Technomics fine can't be threaded through, the Noodle among them.

I've tried it against a Technomic and that thickness does in fact translate 
to noticeably more lateral stiffness. Great for a bike that you intend to 
be a hard-sprinting goon on, which is what I use mine for.

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[RBW] Re: FS Ostrich Panniers

2019-11-21 Thread 'John Hawrylak' via RBW Owners Bunch

Craig

Are the new and used the SAME size???   the used ones look smaller.

How do they attach to the rack??  Clips on top and an elastic strap to the 
bottom??

These are tempting since I already have the S2 saddle bag in same color

John Hawrylak
Woodstown NJ

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Re: [RBW] Re: Nitto stem comparo picture

Yes, that has to be among the top 1% of the most useful bike pages. I
remember back in the old days (he said, snuffling bitterly into his
yellowed beard) trying to find out the reach and rise for a custom stem so
that I could tell Salsa what I wanted. I managed to get 2 customs from them
that worked very well, but it involved a lot of guessing and hit and miss
to get the right cardboard template (IIRC, I sent them such templates and
said: "Make this!") I've very successfully fine-tuned the reach and rise
for the Matthews's stem using Jim's site. The only difficulty -- 'cause
it's clamp-on -- is that I went through about 4 or 5 different stems and
the resultant $$$ before I hit stem Nirvana.

On Thu, Nov 21, 2019 at 11:46 AM Garth  wrote:

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> I find this fun and useful also !
>
> http://yojimg.net/bike/web_tools/stem.php
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[RBW] Re: FS: 58cm Toyo Atlantis, partial build

2019-11-21 Thread Jonathan D.

What two new bikes do you have coming?

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[RBW] Re: Riv. Redwood >> paint color code?

2019-11-21 Thread j.schwartz

Hi Jay
Did you ever find out the color code for the Redwood?


On Friday, April 19, 2019 at 11:25:43 AM UTC-4, Jay P wrote:
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> Hi,
>
> I am would like to have my Atlantis repainted the same green (or so) as 
> the Redwood.
>
> Does anyone know the color code and style (pearlescent?  flamboyant?)  ?
>
> Thank you -  Jay 
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[RBW] Re: Nitto stem comparo picture

2019-11-21 Thread Garth



I find this fun and useful also !

http://yojimg.net/bike/web_tools/stem.php

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[RBW] Re: FS: 58cm Toyo Atlantis, partial build

2019-11-21 Thread Gabriel Bruguier


Atlantis has been sold.  Thanks for looking!
-Gabe

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Re: [RBW] Re: There’s a new man in my life, and his name is Clem

I think the blue saddle on a blue frame is blue overkill. The black with 
hammered rivets and copper rails is my jam*

* "is my jam" is a Leah phrase which I have stolen to advise Leah 

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Re: [RBW] Re: There’s a new man in my life, and his name is Clem

2019-11-21 Thread Roberta

Hi, Leah.

That royal is purdy!!!

Why don't you wrap a black shirt around your current saddle.  Do you like 
the look?  It is quite different from the honey saddle look, but probably 
looks better with your grey/black grips.

Do you have a deep royal shirt?  Try the seat wrap with that.  Do you like 
the look?

I only have black saddles, because my Joe Appaloosa came with a black B17 
saddle.  I did get a little staining when I first got it, but my black 
flyer (I swapped out the B17 for flyer) is the same color after two years.  
I don't think it stains any longer, but not 100% sure since I tend to ride 
with the Aardvark saddle cover on it.

Roberta

On Thursday, November 21, 2019 at 11:36:01 AM UTC-5, Bicycle Belle Ding 
Ding! wrote:

>
> The reason I asked about color is that I’ve seen a couple photos of the 
> apple green and the turquoise rubbing off to expose the true leather color 
> underneath. This morning I saw on Analog’s website that the turquoise DOES 
> rub off really quickly - there’s a photo of a one month old saddle in 
> turquoise and the color is really gone. I don’t mind the darkening that the 
> rest of the Brooks do, though I do miss the undyed look I had on my Select 
> when it was new. 
>
> Roberta - I agree about the violet color! I think it might darken to the 
> antique brown, though. The raspberry is the wrong tone.
>
> BUT, there is a royal blue that might be the cat’s pajamas on my 50 Shades 
> of Blue bike. But I love the copper rivets on the black saddle. Ugh, what 
> to do?!
>
>
> On Wednesday, November 20, 2019 at 10:54:40 PM UTC-8, Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>> All the Brooks colors are a dye in the leather and they all eventually 
>> darken with use over the years. Even your Select which doesn't have a color 
>> has done it, and I think it adds a nice patina..I love to look at Brooks 
>> saddles that have a history in them. I can't pick between aqua and black, I 
>> think they both would look smashing on your new bike.
>>
>> Wavy fenders are very classy. I dig em!
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: There’s a new man in my life, and his name is Clem

2019-11-21 Thread masmojo

Patrick, thanks for the link to the PDW Beast fenders, I was not aware of those 
& I think they might be a great match for my Clementine.
I was unsure about fenders for it & was leaning towards the wide flat Honjo's, 
but I think this has made my mind up!

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[RBW] FS: New Brooks C19 All Weather Carved - Black

2019-11-21 Thread tc

$75 + CONUS shipping.

Mounted only for a 10 min test ride, after which I removed it, having 
determined the B17 Imperial is a better fit for me.

I have included pics of the black C19 for sale, below, beside a brown B17 
Imperial (*which isn't for sale*) to show the differences, since most here 
are familiar with the B17 size and shape:

[image: top_small.JPG]

[image: front_small.jpg]

[image: front_quarter_small.JPG]




Tom


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Re: [RBW] Re: There’s a new man in my life, and his name is Clem

2019-11-21 Thread Mark C

Leah and Joe, thanks for the advice and the welcome. Sorry about the weird 
lag in posting and replying, but I was new so my first post took a day and 
a half to appear. I emailed cyclofiend and think I'm good to go now. 

Yes, I did know of a 52, but not sure if it is still available and I'm 
still a bit befuddled by the choices. I do like the new geometry, so that 
narrows the used market down.

I think Rivendell got the new geometry for the Clem sorted out on their 
chart (initially had some numbers switched around, and some other models 
still looked suspect last I saw). I haven't done the math but am surprised 
you need to go down to a 50 or 60 stem. I need to do the math for myself 
now, but more complicated because I'm going from Albatross bars on my 
Rambouillet to Boscos.

I will say that when you are used to a bike any change is really 
noticeable. I'd notice the too long stem on my Rambouillet whenever I'd 
been riding another bike. After a half mile or so I'd just quit noticing 
and ride it as happily as my other bikes. I did recently get around to 
fixing it after 16 years, though that was really due to switching from 
drops to upright bars.

I don't want to sidetrack this thread more, so will try to post a new 
thread with my Clem fit and gearing questions.

Mark

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Ding! wrote:
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> Hi Mark! 
>
> I’m so excited for you to get a Clem. Is there a 52 available for you 
> somewhere? Clems really are great bikes; dead useful and so comfortable. 
> And with the cream accents and gorgeous color and fancy seat lug, they’re 
> fancy in their own right. 
>
> I suspect you COULD ride that 52. Joe Bernard might speak to the 
> measurements (because he’s been helping me figure out what the heck is 
> going on via Instagram) for us. This bike is just much larger than the 
> Clementine, which would be just the ticket for you. I probably could have 
> ridden the 45 in the new iteration. The stem was a 12 and now I’ll be 
> installing a 5 or 6. The 9 just wasn’t close enough for my liking. This is 
> good news for you!!! Let’s find you a 52!
>
> PS these bikes are hot stuff, so if you take your chance on a 52 and 
> decide you’d have preferred a 59, you’ll have no trouble selling.
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Nov 20, 2019, at 4:24 PM, Mark C > 
> wrote:
>
> 
> Hi Leah,
>
> This is my first post, but I've been following your Clem adventures and 
> the other Clem talk here. I'm glad you got the fit issue worked out.
>
> I've wanted a Clem for a while now and almost bought the web special 59, 
> but really like this new geometry, so decided to wait (plus wanting 
> something more colorful than the Grilver - pretty as it is). Seeing your 
> bike, I wonder if a 52 in the new geometry might be fine for me with a 30" 
> saddle height (pbh about 88). I was concerned about the amount of stem 
> extension I'd need, but it looks like I'd be fine and also have a more 
> useful loaner size.
>
> I don't think that the seat tube angle changed, so you probably want to 
> make your adjustments with the stem if possible. As you know, changing the 
> saddle will change your position over the pedals, which I suppose could be 
> better, or worse. For my part, I always have a Brooks jammed back as far as 
> it can go, but everybody is different. The Clem might finally give me 
> enough room to scoot back as far as I want.
>
> Keep posting your Clem enthusiasm; it's contagious.
>
> Mark
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Re: [RBW] Re: There’s a new man in my life, and his name is Clem

2019-11-21 Thread 'Abcyclehank' via RBW Owners Bunch

Leah,
Your hand wrangling is starting to stress be out.  However your increased 
posting and refreshing posting more than makes up for it.  
I am also immensely proud of you increased mechanical aptitude you are a 
regular hex tool Queen now.  Also got for you moving unneeded part out to 
partially fund your bike fit dialing in and also it’s color, shade, tone, 
glitter, shine, dirt, quietness compatibility!

Every new list poster brings so much joy to this group in my opinion.  Fellow 
bike nerds make the leap!

Sincerely,
Ryan Hankinson
West Michigan

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RE: [RBW] Wide fenders for Clem

2019-11-21 Thread Laing Conley

I have those tires on my Bombadil with Honjo H95 fenders. They will fit the 
Clem also.

Laing





From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of David Carner
Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2019 10:15 AM
To: RBW Owners Bunch 
Subject: [RBW] Wide fenders for Clem

Has anyone fendered a 2019 Clem with the 584 - 60 (actual 55) Schwalbe G1 Speed 
tires that RBW carries? The obvious choice would be the B65 fenders they 
recommend, but they have been out of stock at RBW since I started checking in 
July.  They are available elsewhere, but I would like to hear of any first hand 
experience with these or alternatives.  The suggestions on another thread for 
fenders from VO or Simworks appear to be best for tires 2.0 or under.
David

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Re: [RBW] Re: There’s a new man in my life, and his name is Clem