Re: [RBW] Re: Early Riv Serial numbers?

[Ed Fausto]

Sorry for resurrecting this old thread
I am the second owner of a 51 Atlantis.
I have asked the original owner but he was not sure if it was made by Toyo
Japan or Waterford.
Would anyone know where based on serial number AT1357?
TIA,
Edgar

On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 10:39 PM John Bennett  wrote:

> Yep. AT0051 means the 51st Atlantis.
>
> On Sunday, January 11, 2015 at 11:40:42 AM UTC-8, AaronY wrote:
>>
>> Ah, there it is.  Thanks for your help gang.  I guess the first time I
>> looked I didn't look hard enough.  I saw the "Rivendell" stamp and was
>> expecting something similarly distinct.  Looks like this frame is stamped
>> AT0051.  Guessing that means #51?  Here's a photo:
>> https://flic.kr/p/qLu96Q
>>
>> Now if I could just find the right handlebar/stem combo for this frame...
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Aaron Young
>> The Dalles, OR
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 11, 2015 at 11:02 AM, John Bennett  wrote:
>>
>>> The first Atlantis frames were delivered in the fall of 2000. They all
>>> have numbers on the bottom bracket shell, running horizontal. Some were
>>> pretty lightly stamped and hard to read. Mine was from the first batch,
>>> too. Ol' No. 91.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sunday, January 11, 2015 at 12:57:35 AM UTC-8, AaronY wrote:

 Hey Gang,

 Just reading about the stolen Atlantis and the importance of keeping
 track of the serial numbers.  I was looking at my Atlantis the other day
 for just this reason and can only find "Rivendell" stamped on the bottom
 bracket.  No serial number.  Did the early Riv's not have serial numbers?
 Did they stamp them somewhere else?  This Atlantis is an early one; from
 1999 based on what the original owner told me when I bought it from him.

 Thanks,
 Aaron Young
 The Dalles, OR

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[RBW] Re: Are Riv Sliver shifter + Paul thumibe days over?

[maxcr]

I'm using my silver 2 shifters on the Atlantis with Paul thumbies and 
adaptors - works well for me. Maybe someone has some adapters lying around? 
It wouldn't hurt to ask.
Max

On Tuesday, May 5, 2020 at 9:23:22 PM UTC-4, Justin Wyne wrote:
>
> ordered a silver sifter last week to take the place of a currently used 
> shimano shifter on Paul thumbie to use the shimano shifter on another bike 
> and I just could't get the Silver+Paul friendship to happen. Then i 
> remembered there being an adapter years ago which has disappeared from the 
> internet. Has anybody figured out a hack for this? If not I'll be parting 
> with the silver shifter, I've got too many Pauls thumbies and bar end 
> shifter pods to get stuck buying more stuff for proprietary parts.
>
> thanks for reading
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Joe's Custom

[Joe Bernard]

Thanks Joyce! 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Fancy Cheviot!

[JAS]

Oh please, let there be other colors!  Where's the RBW blue?  Maybe the 
demos just get whatever paint is in supplyI hope so.

On Tuesday, May 5, 2020 at 8:50:46 PM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> Oh, I didn't even notice that. It's a fork thing, the bikes will have 
> v-brakes. 
>
> Leah, unfortunately I don't have much to add. I rode it and it rides like 
> a Riv and it's great and you should buy one! Or a custom! 藍

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[RBW] Re: FS: Berthoud GB2886 Handlebar Bag and Decaleur!

[maxcr]

Bump, Berthoud GB2886 large rando bag in black still available. New price: 
bag + decaleur *$240 shipped. *(Paypal friends and family or Venmo)


Max in Massachusetts

On Sunday, March 15, 2020 at 5:11:42 PM UTC-4, maxcr wrote:
>
> Here's another photo back when it was installed on the SH.
> Max
>
> On Sunday, March 15, 2020 at 5:05:29 PM UTC-4, maxcr wrote:
>>
>> For sale, beautiful Berthoud GB2886 large rando bag in black. Excellent 
>> condition with its decaleur for easy mounting - *$250 plus shipping* or 
>> local pick up in Massachusetts. (Paypal friends and family or Venmo)
>>
>> If you're interested, this came off my 62 Sam Hillborne and it always 
>> worked great.
>>
>> Cheers.
>>
>> Max cleaning up his stash during the Covid-19 crisis
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Joe's Custom

[JAS]

It's a beauty, Joe.  Congratulations!

On Tuesday, May 5, 2020 at 8:53:53 PM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> "Hurry up and build this bike my clothes are going out of style!"
>
> Funny story about that: Grant asked me when I was going to finish the 
> build and I said "by midnight." He laughed and shook his head 'no' and I 
> asked when HE thought I would be finished. He said, "In a few days." Riv 
> World knows me too well!  
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Re: [RBW] Re: Joe's Custom

[Joe Bernard]

"Hurry up and build this bike my clothes are going out of style!"

Funny story about that: Grant asked me when I was going to finish the build and 
I said "by midnight." He laughed and shook his head 'no' and I asked when HE 
thought I would be finished. He said, "In a few days." Riv World knows me too 
well!  

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Re: [RBW] Re: Fancy Cheviot!

[Joe Bernard]

Oh, I didn't even notice that. It's a fork thing, the bikes will have v-brakes. 

Leah, unfortunately I don't have much to add. I rode it and it rides like a Riv 
and it's great and you should buy one! Or a custom! 藍

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Re: [RBW] Re: Fancy Cheviot!

[Pancake]

Thanks for the pics! 
Noticed v-brakes in rear but not front, wonder if that’s just them waiting on 
different forks and nothing yet for prototypes or if the plan is for some 
asymmetry. 
Very good look to them, can’t wait to see the final version!

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Re: [RBW] Re: Fancy Cheviot!

[Leah Peterson]

Well well well!

I know you’re building your custom and all your threads are on fire here, but 
drink a Red Bull and hurry up so we can hear all these details! 

What did you think?

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 5, 2020, at 7:51 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
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> I rode the green one. It's perfect. 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Joe's Custom

[Leah Peterson]

See, this bike looks modern to me...and I like that about it. Sometimes I think 
Riv’s bikes (though gorgeous) look a bit dated, but this is a fresh take that 
retains the Rivendell DNA. This could catch on! 

But I drive around with overinflated tires, so what do I know...

Hurry up and build this bike my clothes are going out of style!

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 5, 2020, at 7:51 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
> 
> Way up! But probably not staying that way, this was just to get bars and my 
> repair stand post in the frame so I could take pics of it sorta looking like 
> a ridable bicycle. The saddle will be lower for sure. Stay tuned! 
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[RBW] Re: Are Riv Sliver shifter + Paul thumibe days over?

[dougP]

There's always the option of Rivendell's Silver Shifter 2 mounts.  I have 
them & they are really clever.  The way the shifter is located provides 16 
positions (not all of them useful, of course) so you can fine tune the 
lever location to suit yourself.  They tout it as providing a variety of 
cable directions but don't mention how useful it is for customizing the 
lever orientation.  Check them out on Riv's website.  

dougP

On Tuesday, May 5, 2020 at 6:23:22 PM UTC-7, Justin Wyne wrote:
>
> ordered a silver sifter last week to take the place of a currently used 
> shimano shifter on Paul thumbie to use the shimano shifter on another bike 
> and I just could't get the Silver+Paul friendship to happen. Then i 
> remembered there being an adapter years ago which has disappeared from the 
> internet. Has anybody figured out a hack for this? If not I'll be parting 
> with the silver shifter, I've got too many Pauls thumbies and bar end 
> shifter pods to get stuck buying more stuff for proprietary parts.
>
> thanks for reading
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Fancy Cheviot!

[Joe Bernard]

I rode the green one. It's perfect. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Joe's Custom

[Joe Bernard]

Way up! But probably not staying that way, this was just to get bars and my 
repair stand post in the frame so I could take pics of it sorta looking like a 
ridable bicycle. The saddle will be lower for sure. Stay tuned! 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Joe's Custom

[Robert Tilley]

Very nice! Grant did say get those bars up and those are definitely up. I'm 
really liking that seat cluster!

Robert Tilley
San Diego's ego, CA


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It's here, live and in color!

On Thursday, April 30, 2020 at 5:30:32 PM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
> That might work, Roberta. I just need the see it live in person and built up 
> first..even to my "love the neons" eyes I'm a little surprised how *bright* 
> the red looks. I don't want to overdo it with red parts, too, but we'll see. 
> As Leah says, how can you have too much red??! 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Fancy Cheviot!

[Lyman Labry]

Pretty cool!

On Tue, May 5, 2020 at 9:04 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:

> And now..this.
>
> On Thursday, April 23, 2020 at 6:42:42 PM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
> > It lives, it's in the new newsletter and here's the pic. I have the
> somewhat dubious distinction (I think) of being the first "outsider" to
> know about this project when Grant and Will mentioned it to me at RBW last
> year. So now I'll start the thread!
> >
> > It's fancy and swoopy and I dig it. I also dig the original name and
> decals (and sheep) so I'm adding my non-requested vote for keeping them.
> Check it out, it's pretty!
> >
> > Joe Bernard
> > Marin County CA.
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[RBW] Re: Running a Wolf Tooth Drop Stop with an 8 speed cassette

[Kurt Manley]

I run 9 speed chains on my 8 speed cassette normally. I think it's a pretty 
usual thing these days. Never any problem with it. I use Shimano cassettes 
mostly.

On Tuesday, May 5, 2020 at 10:58:04 AM UTC-7, Jack Doran wrote:
>
> Howdy folks,
>
> I am looking to run a Wolf Tooth Drop Stop on a 1x8 set up. Wolf Tooth's 
> own specs indicate that the DS chain ring will only play nice with a 
> 9/10/11 set up, but at least one member of this group didn't seem to have 
> any issues with running an 8 speed chain with it. Perhaps it has something 
> to do with the chain line, but I'm wondering if I'm likely to have more 
> luck running a 9 speed chain on an 8 speed cassette than I am an 8 speed 
> chain with the Wolf Tooth ring. Thanks in advance for any help or advice.
>

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[RBW] Are Riv Sliver shifter + Paul thumibe days over?

[Justin Wyne]

ordered a silver sifter last week to take the place of a currently used 
shimano shifter on Paul thumbie to use the shimano shifter on another bike 
and I just could't get the Silver+Paul friendship to happen. Then i 
remembered there being an adapter years ago which has disappeared from the 
internet. Has anybody figured out a hack for this? If not I'll be parting 
with the silver shifter, I've got too many Pauls thumbies and bar end 
shifter pods to get stuck buying more stuff for proprietary parts.

thanks for reading

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[RBW] Re: Admissions of Things You Ought to Have Known But Did Not: A Thread

[William deRosset]

Replying to myself: 

A correction: I thought "old us 11" was the Chef Menteur highway. It turns 
out that the correct road is US 90, not US 11.

A point of clarification: I get reminded that "I need to eat from time to 
time," not that "...[r]oadside foraging in Mississippi is as appetizing as 
it sounds."


Best Regards,

Will


On Tuesday, May 5, 2020 at 4:28:53 PM UTC-6, William deRosset wrote:
>
> Hi, All,
>
> Ok, I'll play.
>
> I was thirteen when I rode my first century. I lived in Slidell, Louisiana 
> at the time, and I rode to Biloxi, Mississippi along the coast. It was a 
> lovely ride on old US 11, and the first half of the ride went really 
> well--sun-kissed slabs of shell-aggregate concrete. You could say I was 
> sailing right along, all right, on my Huffy, spinning out those cranks. 
>
> I stopped for a Coke, exhausting my ride budget, refilled the bottle with 
> water from the tap, and turned around. There was an invisible hand pressing 
> on my chest. A whistling in my ears. A headwind all the way home. I took 
> under 3h for the first fifty miles, and I got back just before dark, 10h 
> after starting. 
>
> I also learned that I have to eat from time to time, and that I should 
> really bring money when I travel unless I plan to forage while riding. 
> Roadside foraging in Mississippi is as appetizing as it sounds. I get 
> reminded of this fact about annually, so this may well be something that I 
> should have learned, and forget too frequently.
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Will
> William M. deRosset
> Fort Collins, CO
>
> On Monday, May 4, 2020 at 7:41:14 PM UTC-6, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:
>>
>> I nearly talked myself out of this thread because I’m about to make 
>> myself look really stupid, but it was so funny that I’m doing it anyway. 
>>
>> I’ve been somewhat of a mess my whole Biking Life. I adored bikes, 
>> always, but I never had a proper bike education or a nice bike until 2012. 
>> I was born to the least mechanically-inclined parents on earth, and my mom 
>> was more proficient than my dad. I grew up riding the worst bike you can 
>> imagine, always with nearly-flat tires. Maybe once a year, usually in 
>> spring, Dad would haul my bike to the gas station and fill the tires with 
>> air. It was like riding on clouds. But eventually, my tires would lose air 
>> again and I’d have to wait until next year. Not that I’d notice anything 
>> was amiss - I was too busy riding barefoot all over small town North 
>> Dakota, falling out of trees, eating penny candy from the bowling alley and 
>> building forts. Tires, what tires. 
>>
>> I grew up, went to college, met and married my husband, who grew up on a 
>> farm. We moved across the country with almost nothing and started our life 
>> and careers. My farmer father-in-law came to visit and outfitted our garage 
>> with tools he thought mandatory, including an air compressor. I think it 
>> was my 27th birthday that my husband told me he wanted to get me a bike. I 
>> knew just the one, it was *really* expensive at $125, but it was my 
>> birthday and I would get the best: A blue Schwinn Sidewinder from the local 
>> Walmart. 
>>
>> While he was visiting, my FIL (again, a farmer and not a bike rider) 
>> noticed my bike tires were pathetically low. Of course I hadn’t noticed; 
>> flat tires were de rigueur for me! He filled them with the air compressor, 
>> pushed on the tire and declared it good. And from then on, that was how I 
>> did it. 
>>
>> I’ve heard you all talk about your supple tires and not wanting them rock 
>> hard, and I knew *I* had supple tires because when I squeezed them, there 
>> was a tiny but perceptible give to the rubber. I mean, that’s what you all 
>> meant, right? So I made sure I never filled my tires very fully because 
>> supple tires were the ticket. 
>>
>> I ended up with a floor pump last year. It has a gauge that tells you 
>> “how much pressure you runnin’”. I have started using it lately and began 
>> to pay attention to what my tire pressure was. 20-25. Huh. I remember folks 
>> discussing tire pressure and I didn’t recall theirs being so low. So, I 
>> asked Joe, who seems to answer most of the questions on the List and 
>> doesn’t seem to resent it. He (through fits of laughter at his keyboard, 
>> I’m sure) said that yes, I actually should be pumping up my tires to a 
>> certain number and that yes, they would feel rock hard, and no, squeezing 
>> them is not a good test, and indeed I would not explode my Big Bens (with 
>> max psi of 70) if I filled them to 55 psi. 
>>
>> I was today years old when I learned that your tires are *supposed* to 
>> feel rock hard and be filled to an actual number. I was today years old 
>> when I learned that my “supple tires” were just tires that were low on air. 
>>
>> Who else has managed to miss the obvious when it comes to bike stuff? 
>>
>> Leah, who would like you to know she is smart at other things. Just not 
>> bike things. 
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Admissions of Things You Ought to Have Known But Did Not: A Thread

[William deRosset]

Hi, All,

Ok, I'll play.

I was thirteen when I rode my first century. I lived in Slidell, Louisiana 
at the time, and I rode to Biloxi, Mississippi along the coast. It was a 
lovely ride on old US 11, and the first half of the ride went really 
well--sun-kissed slabs of shell-aggregate concrete. You could say I was 
sailing right along, all right, on my Huffy, spinning out those cranks. 

I stopped for a Coke, exhausting my ride budget, refilled the bottle with 
water from the tap, and turned around. There was an invisible hand pressing 
on my chest. A whistling in my ears. A headwind all the way home. I took 
under 3h for the first fifty miles, and I got back just before dark, 10h 
after starting. 

I also learned that I have to eat from time to time, and that I should 
really bring money when I travel unless I plan to forage while riding. 
Roadside foraging in Mississippi is as appetizing as it sounds. I get 
reminded of this fact about annually, so this may well be something that I 
should have learned, and forget too frequently.

Best Regards,

Will
William M. deRosset
Fort Collins, CO

On Monday, May 4, 2020 at 7:41:14 PM UTC-6, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:
>
> I nearly talked myself out of this thread because I’m about to make myself 
> look really stupid, but it was so funny that I’m doing it anyway. 
>
> I’ve been somewhat of a mess my whole Biking Life. I adored bikes, always, 
> but I never had a proper bike education or a nice bike until 2012. I was 
> born to the least mechanically-inclined parents on earth, and my mom was 
> more proficient than my dad. I grew up riding the worst bike you can 
> imagine, always with nearly-flat tires. Maybe once a year, usually in 
> spring, Dad would haul my bike to the gas station and fill the tires with 
> air. It was like riding on clouds. But eventually, my tires would lose air 
> again and I’d have to wait until next year. Not that I’d notice anything 
> was amiss - I was too busy riding barefoot all over small town North 
> Dakota, falling out of trees, eating penny candy from the bowling alley and 
> building forts. Tires, what tires. 
>
> I grew up, went to college, met and married my husband, who grew up on a 
> farm. We moved across the country with almost nothing and started our life 
> and careers. My farmer father-in-law came to visit and outfitted our garage 
> with tools he thought mandatory, including an air compressor. I think it 
> was my 27th birthday that my husband told me he wanted to get me a bike. I 
> knew just the one, it was *really* expensive at $125, but it was my 
> birthday and I would get the best: A blue Schwinn Sidewinder from the local 
> Walmart. 
>
> While he was visiting, my FIL (again, a farmer and not a bike rider) 
> noticed my bike tires were pathetically low. Of course I hadn’t noticed; 
> flat tires were de rigueur for me! He filled them with the air compressor, 
> pushed on the tire and declared it good. And from then on, that was how I 
> did it. 
>
> I’ve heard you all talk about your supple tires and not wanting them rock 
> hard, and I knew *I* had supple tires because when I squeezed them, there 
> was a tiny but perceptible give to the rubber. I mean, that’s what you all 
> meant, right? So I made sure I never filled my tires very fully because 
> supple tires were the ticket. 
>
> I ended up with a floor pump last year. It has a gauge that tells you “how 
> much pressure you runnin’”. I have started using it lately and began to pay 
> attention to what my tire pressure was. 20-25. Huh. I remember folks 
> discussing tire pressure and I didn’t recall theirs being so low. So, I 
> asked Joe, who seems to answer most of the questions on the List and 
> doesn’t seem to resent it. He (through fits of laughter at his keyboard, 
> I’m sure) said that yes, I actually should be pumping up my tires to a 
> certain number and that yes, they would feel rock hard, and no, squeezing 
> them is not a good test, and indeed I would not explode my Big Bens (with 
> max psi of 70) if I filled them to 55 psi. 
>
> I was today years old when I learned that your tires are *supposed* to 
> feel rock hard and be filled to an actual number. I was today years old 
> when I learned that my “supple tires” were just tires that were low on air. 
>
> Who else has managed to miss the obvious when it comes to bike stuff? 
>
> Leah, who would like you to know she is smart at other things. Just not 
> bike things. 
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Unidentified parts

[Lyman Labry]

Great!  Thank you!

On Tue, May 5, 2020 at 4:40 PM 'Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch <
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> You would use those to attach the shift levers to brazed-on mounts on the
> frame. You don’t need them for your Homer, which does not have braze-on
> shifter mounts.
>
> --Eric Norris
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> On May 5, 2020, at 2:38 PM, Lyman Labry  wrote:
>
> Hello Everyone,
>
> I’m officially a Riv bike owner with arrival of AHH today.  After putting
> bike together, there were two small parts left over.  I don’t know where
> they belong on the bike.  Any suggestions welcome!
> 
> They are marked left and right but don’t seem to have anything to do with
> the Monarch pedals. Thanks!  Lyman in Austin TX
> 
>
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[RBW] FS: Nitto Big Rear Rack & Trangia Cookset

[Tim Bantham]

Hello Riv friends! I have a couple of items that I am no longer using that 
I'm offering for sale. Both items are only a year old and have seen limited 
use. 


*Nitto Big Rear Rack 33 R *

Good condition. Used on my Appaloosa for one riding season. Extremely 
sturdy, well built and beautiful but you already knew that because it's a 
Nitto! 

$125 plus shipping to anywhere in the lower 48. Link to photos below.

https://photos.app.goo.gl/HM4HihywHWWAXTXD8

*Trangia Small Cookset 27-7*

Good condition used only a handful of times. Includes everything you see in 
the photos. Two one liter pots and a frying pan. Spirit burner, with O ring 
seal and snuffer. Wind screen, stand and pot grabber. 

$75 plus shipping to anywhere in the lower 48. Link to photos below. 

https://photos.app.goo.gl/eRUnv9cvRDqTKhtu5



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Re: [RBW] eJoe

['Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Wow. That does not look complicated at all.

--Eric Norris
campyonly...@me.com
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> On May 5, 2020, at 1:59 PM, J Imler  wrote:
> 
> I botched something up when I dissembled the motor for a gear greasing. It’s 
> fully operational, and fun, but no speedometer reading. The 36t front ring 
> helps for climbing but I see the 30t option down the road. Maybe a frame bag 
> too. 
> 
> We passed a roadie going uphill who seemed interested in a race of some kind. 
> We came out on top and the boy sang songs most of the ride home after the 
> park stop. 
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Re: [RBW] Unidentified parts

['Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch]

You would use those to attach the shift levers to brazed-on mounts on the 
frame. You don’t need them for your Homer, which does not have braze-on shifter 
mounts.

--Eric Norris
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campyonlyguy.blogspot.com

> On May 5, 2020, at 2:38 PM, Lyman Labry  wrote:
> 
> Hello Everyone,
> 
> I’m officially a Riv bike owner with arrival of AHH today.  After putting 
> bike together, there were two small parts left over.  I don’t know where they 
> belong on the bike.  Any suggestions welcome!
> 
> They are marked left and right but don’t seem to have anything to do with the 
> Monarch pedals. Thanks!  Lyman in Austin TX
> 
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[RBW] Re: Admissions of Things You Ought to Have Known But Did Not: A Thread

[George Schick]

I posted a reply to this thread, but it's stuck in moderator hell.  I have 
several Gmail accounts and I was logged in using an account that is not 
registered on this blog.  If it gets posted, it gets posted; if it don't, 
it don't. Groan.


On Monday, May 4, 2020 at 8:41:14 PM UTC-5, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:
>
> I nearly talked myself out of this thread because I’m about to make myself 
> look really stupid, but it was so funny that I’m doing it anyway. 
>
> I’ve been somewhat of a mess my whole Biking Life. I adored bikes, always, 
> but I never had a proper bike education or a nice bike until 2012. I was 
> born to the least mechanically-inclined parents on earth, and my mom was 
> more proficient than my dad. I grew up riding the worst bike you can 
> imagine, always with nearly-flat tires. Maybe once a year, usually in 
> spring, Dad would haul my bike to the gas station and fill the tires with 
> air. It was like riding on clouds. But eventually, my tires would lose air 
> again and I’d have to wait until next year. Not that I’d notice anything 
> was amiss - I was too busy riding barefoot all over small town North 
> Dakota, falling out of trees, eating penny candy from the bowling alley and 
> building forts. Tires, what tires. 
>
> I grew up, went to college, met and married my husband, who grew up on a 
> farm. We moved across the country with almost nothing and started our life 
> and careers. My farmer father-in-law came to visit and outfitted our garage 
> with tools he thought mandatory, including an air compressor. I think it 
> was my 27th birthday that my husband told me he wanted to get me a bike. I 
> knew just the one, it was *really* expensive at $125, but it was my 
> birthday and I would get the best: A blue Schwinn Sidewinder from the local 
> Walmart. 
>
> While he was visiting, my FIL (again, a farmer and not a bike rider) 
> noticed my bike tires were pathetically low. Of course I hadn’t noticed; 
> flat tires were de rigueur for me! He filled them with the air compressor, 
> pushed on the tire and declared it good. And from then on, that was how I 
> did it. 
>
> I’ve heard you all talk about your supple tires and not wanting them rock 
> hard, and I knew *I* had supple tires because when I squeezed them, there 
> was a tiny but perceptible give to the rubber. I mean, that’s what you all 
> meant, right? So I made sure I never filled my tires very fully because 
> supple tires were the ticket. 
>
> I ended up with a floor pump last year. It has a gauge that tells you “how 
> much pressure you runnin’”. I have started using it lately and began to pay 
> attention to what my tire pressure was. 20-25. Huh. I remember folks 
> discussing tire pressure and I didn’t recall theirs being so low. So, I 
> asked Joe, who seems to answer most of the questions on the List and 
> doesn’t seem to resent it. He (through fits of laughter at his keyboard, 
> I’m sure) said that yes, I actually should be pumping up my tires to a 
> certain number and that yes, they would feel rock hard, and no, squeezing 
> them is not a good test, and indeed I would not explode my Big Bens (with 
> max psi of 70) if I filled them to 55 psi. 
>
> I was today years old when I learned that your tires are *supposed* to 
> feel rock hard and be filled to an actual number. I was today years old 
> when I learned that my “supple tires” were just tires that were low on air. 
>
> Who else has managed to miss the obvious when it comes to bike stuff? 
>
> Leah, who would like you to know she is smart at other things. Just not 
> bike things. 
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Admissions of Things You Ought to Have Known But Did Not: A Thread

[Clark Fitzgerald]

I was so sure I knew how bottom brackets are threaded. I destroyed a couple 
tools trying to remove a 70mm Italian bottom bracket, which are not 
threaded the same as the more conventional 68mm bottom bracket. 

Regarding tire pressure, cornering on my bike starts to get vague when the 
front tire pressure gets down to 17 PSI, on 57mm tires with a bike + gear + 
rider weight around 205 lbs. At 19 PSI all is well. I use an accurate bleeder 
gauge  to 
measure pressure, since the gauge on my floor pump is at least 20-30% off, 
and worse at low pressure.

-Clark


On Tuesday, May 5, 2020 at 1:26:44 PM UTC-7, alfonsejr wrote:
>
> I'll play; I learned two things on one incident with square taper crank 
> removal. First thing is checking for a washer after removing a crank bolt 
> is a step whose importance should not be underestimated. Second thing is 
> when turning a bolt is ridiculously difficult, especially on a bike, you 
> should (nearly always) stop trying to turn the bolt. I stopped after crank 
> removal tool removed crank dust cap threads, caused by tool pressing on the 
> left-behind washer instead of bottom bracket axle. I remember seeing little 
> silver threads right before it became much easier to turn the crank removal 
> handle.
>
> I guess I learned a third lesson - how to use drill chuck wedges to remove 
> a stripped crank arm...
>

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Re: [RBW] Gilles Berthoud GB28 For Sale

[David Hays]

Sold.
Thanks.
David

> On May 5, 2020, at 11:05 AM, Davidbea  wrote:
> 
> Apologies in advance for the cross post...
> In a moment of exasperation over my Gilles Berthoud GB25 not sitting properly 
> on rando racks of either of my Rivendells I ordered a GB28. I discovered, 
> while the GB 25 was too short for mounting on the current decaleur position, 
> the GB 28 was an even more difficult fit: too tall. With some rearranging of 
> spacers in the headset and bending of the decaleur,  I realize just using the 
> GB 25 and making the necessary adjustments is the best solution for me as all 
> my bikes are 56cm or smaller. So I have a brand new never mounted Gilles 
> Berthoud GB28 with matching brand new unused Gilles Berthoud rain cover for 
> sale. It is quite beautiful but just doesn’t fit my size bikes.
> 
> I have about $285 into it.
> 
> I’d like to sell it for $235 shipped which I think is fair. Reasonable offer 
> from this group considered.
> 
> Let me know if you have any other questions or need any more photographs.
> 
> 
> 
> David Hays
> 
> Williamsville, New York
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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[RBW] Re: Admissions of Things You Ought to Have Known But Did Not: A Thread

[alfonsejr]

I'll play; I learned two things on one incident with square taper crank 
removal. First thing is checking for a washer after removing a crank bolt 
is a step whose importance should not be underestimated. Second thing is 
when turning a bolt is ridiculously difficult, especially on a bike, you 
should (nearly always) stop trying to turn the bolt. I stopped after crank 
removal tool removed crank dust cap threads, caused by tool pressing on the 
left-behind washer instead of bottom bracket axle. I remember seeing little 
silver threads right before it became much easier to turn the crank removal 
handle.

I guess I learned a third lesson - how to use drill chuck wedges to remove 
a stripped crank arm...

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Re: [RBW] Re: Admissions of Things You Ought to Have Known But Did Not: A Thread

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

Oh, wow, you guys have, um, charts and EVERYTHING...all we could ever know 
about tire pressure. Gosh. Ok, well, while folks are poring over those, I have 
another anecdote that I’m meanly providing on my parents’ behalf. So, if you 
meet them in reality, you’ll pretend I never told you.

In 2019 my parents flew to Vegas to join us for a spring break road trip from 
Vegas to Northern California. We hit great stuff on the way like the giant 
sequoias in the Kings/Sequoia National Parks and met Dad’s half sister 
(discovered on Ancestry DNA) and more. We really made a week out of it. I had 
carved out time for a visit to Rivendell HQ, and while we were there, my 
dearest wish was to get Dad sized for a Super Huge Clem. He’s 6’ 3.5”, and 
nobody makes a bike that big without a top tube he has to swing his leg over. 
I’ve watched him nearly tip over while mounting his bike at home several times. 
I figured a Clem L would be just the thing for him, and Clems would be arriving 
at Rivendell late summer in 59 and 64 cm. But while we were there, Mom fell in 
love with a “sea foam green” Cheviot, so she is the one who left with a bike 
that day.

This spring Mom called and announced it was time for her Cheviot to come out of 
storage and get its tires aired up. It’s Mom’s bike. Those are Mom’s tires. So, 
naturally it’s Dad’s responsibility to fill them. Anyway, as she was telling 
me, I realized that they had not filled Mom’s tires last year - the shop had 
done it during assembly, and I’d have done it when I was home visiting in July. 
Dad, whose mechanical prowess could be rivaled by my 3 year old niece’s 
ability, would see a presta valve and lose his cool. 

“Wait, Mom,” I said, “Dad won’t know how to fill your tire!”
“Pshhh, of course he will. He has an air compressor now.” 
“No, Mom, you guys have never filled those tires. You need a little adapter for 
that air compressor or else a floor pump with a presta valve port.” 
“Leah, it’s fine. He’ll know what to do.”

A short time later, I got a FaceTime call from Mom’s iPhone, but it was Dad’s 
angry face on the screen. He had just come in from hunting (joy, it’s turkey 
season!) and had discovered the presence of one presta valve on the tire. Dad 
and presta valves are natural enemies. Mom was standing expectantly in the 
background, assured that we would solve this for her. It’s not her problem!

“Why in the world would someone DO something like this?” my old man moaned. 
“That other kind works perfectly fine! We’ve got adaptors for those! Everyone 
has adaptors for those!”

I don’t think he said “cotton pickin’” but when someone up north says cotton 
pickin’ you know they mean business, and he was close. I had to show him how 
the presta valve worked, and he said they were going to town in a few days and 
would pick up a floor pump. 

That was a week or two ago and that Cheviot is still stranded in prison with 
two flat tires. As of 4 minutes ago, Mom insists that Dad is going to fill her 
tires when he gets back from the post office. I’m charging my iPhone so I’m 
ready for the FaceTime call I’ll be getting from Dad here shortly. 

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[RBW] Admissions of Things You Ought to Have Known But Did Not: A Thread

[in Dallas nick]

I didn't know off the top of my head the kilogram to pounds so looked  it up 
and knew he was in trouble on the weight difference guess immediately b4 I read 
Leah's reply.
Yeah, decades ago I learned that lesson (guessing lady's weight) the hard way.

If a tire shows inflation range from say 50 to 80 psi, I just split the 
difference (65psi) in that caseand start there to see how it feels riding and 
adjust accordingly.
Being 5 pounds heavier than Steve's weight I particularly need a few more psi's 
on supple tires on the rear tire or it feels too squirmy.
I dont mind pumping air in tires so I play around with psi's until I get it 
right for me.
I agree, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding threads are a fun read.
Paul in Dallas

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[RBW] Re: Atlas stout enough rim for Gus/Susie?

[Jason Fuller]

Good idea on the Rhyno Lite / XL - I ran one of each on my trials bike back 
in the 90's and on a MTB or two as well! 

A friend also mentioned the Velo Orange rims, which I had forgotten about - 
27mm outside / 22mm inside width is a nice middle ground too, plus they 
come in polished for a decent price! 

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[RBW] Re: bike recs for my son

[Michael Morrissey]

I would search Craigslist for a Kona, particularly a Unit. They look cool, 
can fit racks, and I think they would be a cool bike for a sixth grader.

Good luck! 

m

On Tuesday, May 5, 2020 at 9:51:49 AM UTC-4, redsf wrote:
>
> Hello!
>   We've been riding and following riv bikes for a long time- or at least 
> the adults in the family.  My son's first real bike was a used trek (maybe 
> 850) with a rear rack and baskets- he was thus able to help with the 
> groceries and was of an age where that seemed like a cool thing.  The bike 
> was stolen (along with a purple riv Glorius- and recovered with the help of 
> this community, but that's another story). For his second bike, he had some 
> of his own aesthetic values and we built up an old Marin mtn bike that had 
> been left for dead.
>   He loves his knobby tires and doing wheelies, but now he's also eyeing 
> old road bikes and drop down handlebars. We're in San Francisco and we've 
> been dashing out for rides up Twin Peaks and out to the beach.  We could 
> find something without too much trouble on craigslist, but I want a frame 
> with enough stability for a rack- we go bike camping a couple times a year.
>   So we basically need a riv type bike that looks fast.  I can't justify 
> or afford spending too much money on a growing kid and would love another 
> project.  He's almost 5'8" and in sixth grade (tall!).
>   Anybody have something kicking around in SF? Recommendations for some 
> models and years I should keep my eye out for? 
> Thanks!
> TR
>

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[RBW] Re: bike recs for my son

[Edwin W]

I find the best thing (and hardest, for a bike nerd dad) is to let him get 
what he is interested.
Give him a price range to look for on craigslist, if he is interested. Add 
$100-$200 because some sellers can be talked down.
If he is not interested in looking on CL (nobody in my family is as 
interested in looking at CL bikes as I am), send him some bikes from CL to 
get a sense of what he likes. AS you narrow that down, you can find 
something that he will like. Don't worry too much about the practicality. 
He he likes it, he will use it. If he cannot use it for some reason, lesson 
learned!! Win, win.

Good luck,

Edwin

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Re: [RBW] Re: Admissions of Things You Ought to Have Known But Did Not: A Thread

[John Rinker]

Related to this article from Bicycle Quarterly, I also have had this handy 
Gdoc floating around for a while on Tire Pressure Set-up 
.
 
I probably got it off this group some time back. Incidentally, I run my WTB 
Nanos at low pressures(f-20, r-25) for the trail/fire road riding I do 
around here. Comfy ride all round, but it may be the reason I'm alway 
coming home too late- too much drag. 

On Tuesday, May 5, 2020 at 7:43:10 AM UTC-7, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
> -- 
> https://www.renehersecycles.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/BQTireDrop.pdf
>
>
>
> On 5/5/20 10:28 AM, Leah Peterson wrote:
>
> See, I can already add another post to this list of Dumb Things I Did and 
> it hasn’t been 24 hours.  
>
> Yesterday, when I found out about tire pressure, you know I went around 
> with my floor pump and inflated ALL the tires of the bikes in the garage. 
> Baby Bear weighs almost 60 pounds and his Specialized 24 inch got 60 pounds 
> of air (fun!). #TheClemRider is about 85 pounds and got 55 pounds of air in 
> his 26 inch Kendas on his Clem. Won’t they be surprised when they head down 
> Killer Hill?! 
>
>
> And remember, it's not just the vibration.  Hit a pothole the wrong way on 
> a grossly over-inflated wide tire and it'll act just like a basketball when 
> you slam it down onto the pavement.   SPROING and it'll rebound back at 
> you.  You may be expecting a bump, but you probably won't be ready for the 
> bars pulling up out of your hands.
>
>
>
> Now, excuse me while I go fix THAT. It might be one thing for me and Steve 
> (since we weigh the same, you know) to inflate our tires to 55, but my kids 
> don’t know what I’ve done and did NOT in fact, grow up riding horses. Yikes.
>
>
>
>
> Just for scale.
>
>
>
> Ok, Steve, I’ll stop busting your chops. You had it coming though, and 
> also it was hilarious. 藍
>
> -- 
>
> Steve Palincsar
> Alexandria, Virginia 
> USA
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Admissions of Things You Ought to Have Known But Did Not: A Thread

[John Rinker]

In Steve's defense (as amusing as this has been), I'm thinking his only 
real error was in mixing his measures. Perhaps, Steve, you meant to say 
'50kg heavier' as you offered your post-breakfast weight as 100kg. 

Perhaps it is time for my neighbors south of the 49th to revisit a full 
conversion to the metric system (except for carpentry!)

But, perhaps this suggestion falls squarely under the topic of Leah's 
thread. What I should have known.

On Monday, May 4, 2020 at 7:29:43 PM UTC-7, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
>
> On 5/4/20 9:41 PM, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote: 
> > I nearly talked myself out of this thread because I’m about to make 
> myself look really stupid, but it was so funny that I’m doing it anyway. 
> > 
> > I’ve been somewhat of a mess my whole Biking Life. I adored bikes, 
> always, but I never had a proper bike education or a nice bike until 2012. 
> I was born to the least mechanically-inclined parents on earth, and my mom 
> was more proficient than my dad. I grew up riding the worst bike you can 
> imagine, always with nearly-flat tires. Maybe once a year, usually in 
> spring, Dad would haul my bike to the gas station and fill the tires with 
> air. It was like riding on clouds. But eventually, my tires would lose air 
> again and I’d have to wait until next year. Not that I’d notice anything 
> was amiss - I was too busy riding barefoot all over small town North 
> Dakota, falling out of trees, eating penny candy from the bowling alley and 
> building forts. Tires, what tires. 
> > 
> > I grew up, went to college, met and married my husband, who grew up on a 
> farm. We moved across the country with almost nothing and started our life 
> and careers. My farmer father-in-law came to visit and outfitted our garage 
> with tools he thought mandatory, including an air compressor. I think it 
> was my 27th birthday that my husband told me he wanted to get me a bike. I 
> knew just the one, it was *really* expensive at $125, but it was my 
> birthday and I would get the best: A blue Schwinn Sidewinder from the local 
> Walmart. 
> > 
> > While he was visiting, my FIL (again, a farmer and not a bike rider) 
> noticed my bike tires were pathetically low. Of course I hadn’t noticed; 
> flat tires were de rigueur for me! He filled them with the air compressor, 
> pushed on the tire and declared it good. And from then on, that was how I 
> did it. 
> > 
> > I’ve heard you all talk about your supple tires and not wanting them 
> rock hard, and I knew *I* had supple tires because when I squeezed them, 
> there was a tiny but perceptible give to the rubber. I mean, that’s what 
> you all meant, right? So I made sure I never filled my tires very fully 
> because supple tires were the ticket. 
> > 
> > I ended up with a floor pump last year. It has a gauge that tells you 
> “how much pressure you runnin’”. I have started using it lately and began 
> to pay attention to what my tire pressure was. 20-25. Huh. I remember folks 
> discussing tire pressure and I didn’t recall theirs being so low. So, I 
> asked Joe, who seems to answer most of the questions on the List and 
> doesn’t seem to resent it. He (through fits of laughter at his keyboard, 
> I’m sure) said that yes, I actually should be pumping up my tires to a 
> certain number and that yes, they would feel rock hard, and no, squeezing 
> them is not a good test, and indeed I would not explode my Big Bens (with 
> max psi of 70) if I filled them to 55 psi. 
>
>
> OK, let's deconstruct this a bit.  I looked them up: according to 
> Schwalbe's web site a Big Ben no matter the diameter is either a 50mm or 
> a 55mm wide tire.   As you know, pressure is related to load: the 
> heavier the load, the more pressure you need.  No different here from 
> your car or truck.  I figure I'm probably 50 lb heavier than you (100 kg 
> after breakfast today) and I run my 38mm 650B tires at 4 atmospheres, 
> around 60 psi.  So if you at 75% of my weight are running a tire that's 
> maybe 15mm wider than mine and 5 psi less than I am, I'd say chances are 
> pretty good that you're inflating those tires to a much higher pressure 
> than you need to.  Chances are, if you reduce your pressure to perhaps 
> 40 or maybe even a few psi less than that, you'd get a better ride. 
> You'd probably have less rebound after hitting a pothole, too. That's 
> another -- quite dangerous -- downside to overinflating a wide tire: it 
> can rebound like a basketball, pulling the handlebars right out of your 
> hands.  I've got a jagged lump in my collar bone because of that. 
>
>
> > 
> > I was today years old when I learned that your tires are *supposed* to 
> feel rock hard and be filled to an actual number. 
>
>
> Not a big wide tire like that.  Now sure, a 23mm tire at 100 psi is 
> definitely going to feel rock hard.  I can feel the (ultra supple EL 
> casing) sidewalls on my Herse Loup Loup Pass tires give when I squeeze 
> them. 
>
>
> >   I was today years old when I 

Re: [RBW] Re: Admissions of Things You Ought to Have Known But Did Not: A Thread

[Joe Bernard]

"Well let's see, Leah has been riding her bike all this time just fine without 
intervention from any "educating" her how she "ought to" ride her bike, and 
that her experience "could be better" somehow "if" she'd only listen to the 
so-called "wisdom". Hah hah  all that totally ignores the fact that 
inherently Leah knows what she's doing and all is well, and that's that."

In my defense as a manly mansplainy mansplainer, Our Bicycle Belle ASKED me 
about tire pressure. And I gave her the exact right answer the rest of you are 
wrong I rest my case amen. 

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[RBW] Running a Wolf Tooth Drop Stop with an 8 speed cassette

[Jack Doran]

Howdy folks,

I am looking to run a Wolf Tooth Drop Stop on a 1x8 set up. Wolf Tooth's 
own specs indicate that the DS chain ring will only play nice with a 
9/10/11 set up, but at least one member of this group didn't seem to have 
any issues with running an 8 speed chain with it. Perhaps it has something 
to do with the chain line, but I'm wondering if I'm likely to have more 
luck running a 9 speed chain on an 8 speed cassette than I am an 8 speed 
chain with the Wolf Tooth ring. Thanks in advance for any help or advice.

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[RBW] bike recs for my son

[Nate in Oakland]

Maybe a little tall or out of your price range, but an RB-1 for $500 is a 
really good deal.  You’re not going to find a more rivish non riv road bike.  
Designed (or at least design somewhat steered) by Grant back in the day.

https://sfbay.craigslist.org/pen/bik/d/palo-alto-bridgestone-rb-1-road-bike/7107197040.html

Nate

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[RBW] Re: bike recs for my son

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Size him for a Clem L he can grow into? That's what we've been doing with 
our four lassies and it works very well. They have such a wide range and 
ride b etter than any kid bikes out there, in our experience.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Tuesday, May 5, 2020 at 7:51:49 AM UTC-6, redsf wrote:
>
> Hello!
>   We've been riding and following riv bikes for a long time- or at least 
> the adults in the family.  My son's first real bike was a used trek (maybe 
> 850) with a rear rack and baskets- he was thus able to help with the 
> groceries and was of an age where that seemed like a cool thing.  The bike 
> was stolen (along with a purple riv Glorius- and recovered with the help of 
> this community, but that's another story). For his second bike, he had some 
> of his own aesthetic values and we built up an old Marin mtn bike that had 
> been left for dead.
>   He loves his knobby tires and doing wheelies, but now he's also eyeing 
> old road bikes and drop down handlebars. We're in San Francisco and we've 
> been dashing out for rides up Twin Peaks and out to the beach.  We could 
> find something without too much trouble on craigslist, but I want a frame 
> with enough stability for a rack- we go bike camping a couple times a year.
>   So we basically need a riv type bike that looks fast.  I can't justify 
> or afford spending too much money on a growing kid and would love another 
> project.  He's almost 5'8" and in sixth grade (tall!).
>   Anybody have something kicking around in SF? Recommendations for some 
> models and years I should keep my eye out for? 
> Thanks!
> TR
>

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[RBW] bike recs for my son

[Ian A]

Just looked more closely at the CL add for the 520. I'd pass on that specific 
one, but would keep an eye out for a better one.

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[RBW] bike recs for my son

[Ian A]

It would come down to tire width desires really. If your son is happy with 
<28mm tires without fenders, there's a lot of great options. Look for Tange 
Champion 1 or 2 tubing for a fun whip. Champion 2 can do alright with a bit of 
a load IME.

If you're thinking ~32/35mm tires, a touring frame would be better, but might 
not be as lively to bomb around on. Better for mounting racks though. There's a 
Trek 520 on Sacramento CL (no relation) that could be fun and might fit him for 
a couple of years. 

https://goldcountry.craigslist.org/bik/d/standard-1984-trek-520-touring-bike/7101777951.html

IanA

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Re: [RBW] Re: Admissions of Things You Ought to Have Known But Did Not: A Thread

[Zed Martinez]

>
> Just for the record and for clarification, and not at all to disagree: by 
> "bouncing" one can mean the ping pong ball sort of bouncing that comes from 
> excessively high pressure, where even small bumps cause the tire to hop, or 
> on the contrary, the bouncing that comes from pedaling on a tire so soft 
> that it sags with each pedal stroke.


Too right. Riding my bricks I tend to forget some tires get bouncy on the 
under inflated side, my experience once it gets too low is more like 
walking on sponges, as if the bike is somehow sinking into the road as I 
pedal. Which I suppose is like bouncing in reverse, in a way.

On Tuesday, May 5, 2020 at 11:33:20 AM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Just for the record and for clarification, and not at all to disagree: by 
> "bouncing" one can mean the ping pong ball sort of bouncing that comes from 
> excessively high pressure, where even small bumps cause the tire to hop, or 
> on the contrary, the bouncing that comes from pedaling on a tire so soft 
> that it sags with each pedal stroke.
>
> On Tue, May 5, 2020 at 9:17 AM Zed Martinez  > wrote:
>
>> ... the optimum balance between 'feels slow' and 'starts bouncing' can 
>> deviate notably from Jan's calculation and the graph that Steve showed. 
>>
> -- 
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[RBW] Re: Admissions of Things You Ought to Have Known But Did Not: A Thread

[Garth]

Well let's see, Leah has been riding her bike all this time just fine 
without intervention from any "educating" her how she "ought to" ride her 
bike, and that her experience "could be better" somehow "if" she'd only 
listen to the so-called "wisdom". Hah hah  all that totally ignores the 
fact that inherently Leah knows what she's doing and all is well, and 
that's that.  

This, as I was about to go on about how I ride Big Bens at very low 
pressure and that she could also . then realizing how silly that is to 
imply Leah should change a thing, as if I have a clue what her experience 
is like ! Not !

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Re: [RBW] Re: Admissions of Things You Ought to Have Known But Did Not: A Thread

[Patrick Moore]

Just for the record and for clarification, and not at all to disagree: by
"bouncing" one can mean the ping pong ball sort of bouncing that comes from
excessively high pressure, where even small bumps cause the tire to hop, or
on the contrary, the bouncing that comes from pedaling on a tire so soft
that it sags with each pedal stroke.

On Tue, May 5, 2020 at 9:17 AM Zed Martinez 
wrote:

> ... the optimum balance between 'feels slow' and 'starts bouncing' can
> deviate notably from Jan's calculation and the graph that Steve showed.
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Admissions of Things You Ought to Have Known But Did Not: A Thread

[Patrick Moore]

I recall being very proud of my new, very chi-chi Grafton triple after I
installed it in place of the usual Deore (original) or XT triple I had been
using. The Shimanos required (IIRC) a 122-123 mm spindle, so I stuck the
Grafton on that. Then I noticed that it would not shift properly to the
granny ring even with the inner stop backed all the way out. Infuriating.
So I took it to a bike shop. I still remember the withering look the young
shop rat gave me when he told me I had the wrong spindle. It had never
occurred to me that different cranks required different spindles -- and I'd
ridden quite a few builds with mismatched spindles and cranks, I guess, by
that time.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Admissions of Things You Ought to Have Known But Did Not: A Thread

[Zed Martinez]

In the real spirit of the thread, tires aside, my things I should have 
known was hubris management. After my first few bike builds I went into my 
original Clem pretty overconfident in myself, and I probably could've saved 
a couple of years of frustration and failed adjustments if I'd been less 
full of myself at the beginning and noticed more things like 'huh, the 
saddle keeps slipping down,' and more willing to just get a fitting once I 
got lost in the woods to give me a sanity check.

it was ultimately an expensive lesson, but, having learned it maybe the 
hardest way I could've set up for myself, it's one likely to stay with me. 
These days I remember there's somehow always a gap between feeling like one 
knows a lot, and actually knowing enough, and if I start by assuming I 
don't know enough it always goes better in the end than the reverse.

On Tuesday, May 5, 2020 at 11:17:31 AM UTC-4, Zed Martinez wrote:
>
> I'm with Patrick on the tire mattering a lot. I ride more the 
> utility/brick side of tires than he does (and consequently have developed a 
> habit of leaning towards higher inflations rather than lower), and the 
> optimum balance between 'feels slow' and 'starts bouncing' can deviate 
> notably from Jan's calculation and the graph that Steve showed. Curiously, 
> I keep all three of my bikes between 45-60 PSI (45-50 front, 60-ish rear). 
> Except they're all three different total (bike+me+stuff) weights, tire 
> widths, and tire types. My 3-spd roadster with its 35mm Delta Cruisers 
> works out a a bit low per the formula but I like the comfort more over the 
> speed at that inflation on that bike, inflated per the suggestion I think I 
> can feel every pebble bounce me. My road-ish Centurion 650b conversion with 
> its 38mm Soma New Xpress tires is a bit high but not by a lot. The real 
> outlier is my Clem with its 50mm Schwalbe Mondials, which are drastically 
> higher inflated at 45/60 than the formula would suggest, but any lower than 
> that and I can actually feel the increased rolling resistance over my seven 
> mile commute. Like I left my brake on, or about the same feeling as using 
> my bottle dynamo on the 3-spd. It's notable. If I tried to ride those down 
> as low as 30-40PSI like suggested I'd feel like I was stuck in the mud. At 
> 60 front and 70 rear they start getting that 'baseball' bouncy effect.
>
> I always start with the formula's suggestion and then try 5-10 PSI over 
> and 5-10 PSI under and tweak where I actually leave it for any given tire 
> based on where it felt slugglish and where it felt bouncey.
>
> On Tuesday, May 5, 2020 at 10:48:41 AM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> Wait: Leah weighs *less* than 170? Boy Steve, you blew that one.
>>
>> Back to tire pressure: I recall how as a boy I first saw "Inflate to 70 
>> psi" on the side of my cheap 27 X 1.25" gumwalls, and after pumping them to 
>> more or less that (probably per gas station gauge), how fast the bike felt, 
>> and nope, it wasn't due to vibations, which has *never* been an 
>> indicator of speed for me; it's always been ease, or perceived ease of 
>> pedaling, along with a feeling of smoothness; ie bikes feel faster on 
>> smooth roads than bumpy ones, all else equal.
>>
>> But the question of pressure relates to tire quality too. Cheap tires 
>> really do go, or at least feel, faster when hard -- try riding a $15 
>> Walmart 2" knobby at 35 psi! Pump it to 50 and it's much better. OTOH, I've 
>> let really supple tires deflate potentially disastrous levels -- 
>> 30-something psi on a 28 mm Elk Pass (I do weigh 50 lb less than 220) -- 
>> and didn't notice that they were low until I started bouncing in the 
>> saddle. Once I got a rear puncture and didn't notice it until someone 
>> behind me noticed the flat profile and said, "Puncture!" She then asked, 
>> "Didn't you notice it?" -- very surprised that such sagging hadn't caused 
>> massive drag. But not, the Elk Pass feels normally fast even at pressures 
>> way below appropriate.
>>
>> With the Big Ones, just as supple, I've not noticed mid-teens in the back 
>> until sidewall flop in a corner almost causes me to wipe out.
>>
>> So there is a huge difference in the effect of air pressure on rolling 
>> resistance when comparing top quality and cheap quality tires.
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Admissions of Things You Ought to Have Known But Did Not: A Thread

[Zed Martinez]

I'm with Patrick on the tire mattering a lot. I ride more the utility/brick 
side of tires than he does (and consequently have developed a habit of 
leaning towards higher inflations rather than lower), and the optimum 
balance between 'feels slow' and 'starts bouncing' can deviate notably from 
Jan's calculation and the graph that Steve showed. Curiously, I keep all 
three of my bikes between 45-60 PSI (45-50 front, 60-ish rear). Except 
they're all three different total (bike+me+stuff) weights, tire widths, and 
tire types. My 3-spd roadster with its 35mm Delta Cruisers works out a a 
bit low per the formula but I like the comfort more over the speed at that 
inflation on that bike, inflated per the suggestion I think I can feel 
every pebble bounce me. My road-ish Centurion 650b conversion with its 38mm 
Soma New Xpress tires is a bit high but not by a lot. The real outlier is 
my Clem with its 50mm Schwalbe Mondials, which are drastically higher 
inflated at 45/60 than the formula would suggest, but any lower than that 
and I can actually feel the increased rolling resistance over my seven mile 
commute. Like I left my brake on, or about the same feeling as using my 
bottle dynamo on the 3-spd. It's notable. If I tried to ride those down as 
low as 30-40PSI like suggested I'd feel like I was stuck in the mud. At 60 
front and 70 rear they start getting that 'baseball' bouncy effect.

I always start with the formula's suggestion and then try 5-10 PSI over and 
5-10 PSI under and tweak where I actually leave it for any given tire based 
on where it felt slugglish and where it felt bouncey.

On Tuesday, May 5, 2020 at 10:48:41 AM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Wait: Leah weighs *less* than 170? Boy Steve, you blew that one.
>
> Back to tire pressure: I recall how as a boy I first saw "Inflate to 70 
> psi" on the side of my cheap 27 X 1.25" gumwalls, and after pumping them to 
> more or less that (probably per gas station gauge), how fast the bike felt, 
> and nope, it wasn't due to vibations, which has *never* been an indicator 
> of speed for me; it's always been ease, or perceived ease of pedaling, 
> along with a feeling of smoothness; ie bikes feel faster on smooth roads 
> than bumpy ones, all else equal.
>
> But the question of pressure relates to tire quality too. Cheap tires 
> really do go, or at least feel, faster when hard -- try riding a $15 
> Walmart 2" knobby at 35 psi! Pump it to 50 and it's much better. OTOH, I've 
> let really supple tires deflate potentially disastrous levels -- 
> 30-something psi on a 28 mm Elk Pass (I do weigh 50 lb less than 220) -- 
> and didn't notice that they were low until I started bouncing in the 
> saddle. Once I got a rear puncture and didn't notice it until someone 
> behind me noticed the flat profile and said, "Puncture!" She then asked, 
> "Didn't you notice it?" -- very surprised that such sagging hadn't caused 
> massive drag. But not, the Elk Pass feels normally fast even at pressures 
> way below appropriate.
>
> With the Big Ones, just as supple, I've not noticed mid-teens in the back 
> until sidewall flop in a corner almost causes me to wipe out.
>
> So there is a huge difference in the effect of air pressure on rolling 
> resistance when comparing top quality and cheap quality tires.
>

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[RBW] Re: Admissions of Things You Ought to Have Known But Did Not: A Thread

[aeroperf]

I got a Schwinn when I was six.  We lived in a lovely town in northern New 
Jersey that was about 4x5 miles big.  I rode that bike all over that town.  
Thousands of miles.
When I was 14, I rode to a neighboring town which had a bike shop because I 
actually needed a new chain.
As I pulled up, the guy working there said “Have you considered raising the 
seat?”.  My response - “You can raise a bicycle seat?”  My first lesson in 
bicycle fit.

So now whenever I see folks pedaling on the Comet with their knees up into 
their chins, I think of that.  I don’t say it out loud, unless I know the 
person, but I think of it.

Pressure - With my bike I’m 220 pounds and I run 60 psi on 42mm tires.  
Just thought I’d throw that out to whomever is making up a spreadsheet of 
these pressures (and I know you’re out there).


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[RBW] Re: WTT/B: 700c 38mm Tires - Soma Terracota Tread for Black Tires

[Dave Grossman]

Curious to hear how large you go.  Keep us updated!

On Monday, May 4, 2020 at 10:56:47 AM UTC-5, David B wrote:
>
> Building up a new to me Roadini and am surprised by the tire clearances. I 
> thought I'd run Resist Nomad tires, which I have, that measure out to 
> ~34mm, but there's a bunch of clearance to fit 38mm tires.
> I've been saving some Soma Supple Vitesse EX tires with terracota (brick 
> red-ish) tread but the colors aesthetically don't go well (to me) with an 
> orange frame.
>
> So... wondering if any one is interested in a trade.
>
> I have:
> Soma Supple Vitesse EX Tires - 700x38 - terracota tread, tan sidewalls - 
> new
>
> I would like:
> similar tires in 700x38 with black tread and black or tan sidewalls like - 
> Soma Supple Vitesse
> Panaracer Gravelking Slicks
> Rene Herse Barlow Pass
> Lightly used condition is fine - tires don't need to be new
>
> Trade would be preferable, but if you have any of these tires for sale, 
> I'd be interested in buying outright too.
>
> Happy to throw in some additional funds/parts for trade if the Rene Herse 
> tires are a possible trade
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Re: [RBW] Re: Admissions of Things You Ought to Have Known But Did Not: A Thread

[Patrick Moore]

Wait: Leah weighs *less* than 170? Boy Steve, you blew that one.

Back to tire pressure: I recall how as a boy I first saw "Inflate to 70
psi" on the side of my cheap 27 X 1.25" gumwalls, and after pumping them to
more or less that (probably per gas station gauge), how fast the bike felt,
and nope, it wasn't due to vibations, which has *never* been an indicator
of speed for me; it's always been ease, or perceived ease of pedaling,
along with a feeling of smoothness; ie bikes feel faster on smooth roads
than bumpy ones, all else equal.

But the question of pressure relates to tire quality too. Cheap tires
really do go, or at least feel, faster when hard -- try riding a $15
Walmart 2" knobby at 35 psi! Pump it to 50 and it's much better. OTOH, I've
let really supple tires deflate potentially disastrous levels --
30-something psi on a 28 mm Elk Pass (I do weigh 50 lb less than 220) --
and didn't notice that they were low until I started bouncing in the
saddle. Once I got a rear puncture and didn't notice it until someone
behind me noticed the flat profile and said, "Puncture!" She then asked,
"Didn't you notice it?" -- very surprised that such sagging hadn't caused
massive drag. But not, the Elk Pass feels normally fast even at pressures
way below appropriate.

With the Big Ones, just as supple, I've not noticed mid-teens in the back
until sidewall flop in a corner almost causes me to wipe out.

So there is a huge difference in the effect of air pressure on rolling
resistance when comparing top quality and cheap quality tires.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Admissions of Things You Ought to Have Known But Did Not: A Thread

[Leah Peterson]

See, I can already add another post to this list of Dumb Things I Did and it 
hasn’t been 24 hours. 

Yesterday, when I found out about tire pressure, you know I went around with my 
floor pump and inflated ALL the tires of the bikes in the garage. Baby Bear 
weighs almost 60 pounds and his Specialized 24 inch got 60 pounds of air 
(fun!). #TheClemRider is about 85 pounds and got 55 pounds of air in his 26 
inch Kendas on his Clem. Won’t they be surprised when they head down Killer 
Hill?! 

Now, excuse me while I go fix THAT. It might be one thing for me and Steve 
(since we weigh the same, you know) to inflate our tires to 55, but my kids 
don’t know what I’ve done and did NOT in fact, grow up riding horses. Yikes.

Ok, Steve, I’ll stop busting your chops. You had it coming though, and also it 
was hilarious. 藍

Evan -  It’s ok; it probably works better that way. 

Doug - thank you! And I agree with Rob; that mechanic was impressed with you. 
It’s pretty hard to be mad at a kid who was trying to learn. Also your dad 
seems like a stand-up guy; I think my dad would have declared the bike a total 
loss and tossed the pieces in the trash.

Steve Cole - tell the mechanics you want a discount because you already started 
the work for them. 來

You guys are good sports,
Leah

Sent from my iPad

> On May 5, 2020, at 7:06 AM, Steve Palincsar  wrote:
> 
> 
> 50 - 55 mm is a HUGELY WIDE tire.  10mm wider than a 42mm.  If someone who is 
> MASSIVELY heavier can ride a 42mm tire inflated to 50-55 psi in comfort, 
> never getting pinch flats, there is simply no way no how that that same 
> pressure in a tire 1 cm wider and a rider who is DRAMATICALLY lighter will be 
> OK.  
> 
>> On 5/4/20 11:11 PM, Joe Bernard wrote:
>> Well I'm going to disagree to a degree. For the mostly smooth terrain Leah 
>> rides and the Killer Hill™ she climbs to get home, I can't see 30-40 psi 
>> being anything but drag for her. She can certainly experiment with pressures 
>> and 55 may be a bit much, but she's not riding terrible roads and dirt. 
>> 
> -- 
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> Alexandria, Virginia 
> USA
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Re: [RBW] Re: Admissions of Things You Ought to Have Known But Did Not: A Thread

[Steve Palincsar]

50 - 55 mm is a HUGELY WIDE tire.  10mm wider than a 42mm.  If someone 
who is MASSIVELY heavier can ride a 42mm tire inflated to 50-55 psi in 
comfort, never getting pinch flats, there is simply no way no how that 
that same pressure in a tire 1 cm wider and a rider who is DRAMATICALLY 
lighter will be OK.


On 5/4/20 11:11 PM, Joe Bernard wrote:

Well I'm going to disagree to a degree. For the mostly smooth terrain Leah 
rides and the Killer Hill™ she climbs to get home, I can't see 30-40 psi being 
anything but drag for her. She can certainly experiment with pressures and 55 
may be a bit much, but she's not riding terrible roads and dirt.


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[RBW] Re: Admissions of Things You Ought to Have Known But Did Not: A Thread

[Rob Kristoff]

Doug,
You know that mechanic was probably impressed you at least got it apart!

Rob

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Re: [RBW] Admissions of Things You Ought to Have Known But Did Not: A Thread

[Steve Palincsar]

On 5/5/20 12:37 AM, Leah Peterson wrote:

I just got back from 14 miles of fun. You all have never LIVED until you’ve had 
air in your tires. I soared up the hills. I shook my teeth loose bombing down 
the hills! Did you all ride horses growing up? I rode my bucking Clem all over 
these trails and I did not fall off, not even once.

Fine, Steve and DP, you guys are a little right - I could let some air out. 
That bike really rattled on the way down Killer Hill, and I could feel the 
grips jumping around trying to shake loose of my hands. But come on, it was 
FUN. Have *you* ever ridden your bucking Clem around *your* neighborhood? No, 
you haven’t, because you insist on sensible tire pressures and supple tires and 
miss out on all the fun.



So must be at least 10 years ago now, standing on the dinner line at 
Bike Virginia, and there's this group just ahead of me, people from 
Virginia Beach, talking about tire pressure.  This one guy - huge - a 
Deuce and a Half for sure, built like a football player, and he's saying 
how much he loves his 19mm tires blown up to as close to 200 psi as he 
dares.  There's only one "hill" in the area, a bridge, and he's saying 
how much he loves coming down that bridge at top speed, the entire bike 
vibrating, his teeth rattling, because it feels so/fast.../





Ian - hilarious and so relatable. I’m laughing with you, not at you. Also, you 
are the only one who’s offered an Admission of A Thing You Ought To Have Known. 
Gold star!

Andrew - thank you; that’s so nice. ☺️ You can stay.

Joe - YOU THINK I WAS BORN IN THE 70S?!? There was no 70s station wagon - there 
was a sweet 90s GMC Safari van with the inexplicable maroon striping down the 
sides that I called “our racing stripes.” It had cup holders. It was slick. 
Also, Joe is right about the roads here - they’re nice.

Steve was today years old when he learned not to guess at a woman’s weight.




Right day, wrong lesson: today he learned to be more mindful of what he 
writes while floating on Tramadol, and not to leave out the "at least".



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Alexandria, Virginia
USA

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[RBW] Re: Mercian Vincitore

[Ryan Nute]

Sweet ride!  Fancy lugs!

Ryan

On Friday, May 1, 2020 at 3:47:00 PM UTC-7, ANDREW ALLEN ERMAN wrote:
>
> Hi you all.  I thought I would share some pictures of a favorite bike of 
> mine.  I bought the bike many years ago because I loved the way it looked. 
>  Please note the tall head tube.  I finally got it to ride comfortably with 
> a lot of help from Will at RBW (various stems and handlebars) and lots of 
> adjustment.  This bike taught me that having the handlebars elevated is a 
> good thing (for me).I found it in a bike store and was told that a mother 
> had ordered the bike from England for her son, who apparently did not want 
> it.  Anyway, here are the pictures of the bike in my office (I have the 
> best parking space at UCLA).  Best, Andy
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[RBW] bike recs for my son

[redsf]

Hello!
  We've been riding and following riv bikes for a long time- or at least 
the adults in the family.  My son's first real bike was a used trek (maybe 
850) with a rear rack and baskets- he was thus able to help with the 
groceries and was of an age where that seemed like a cool thing.  The bike 
was stolen (along with a purple riv Glorius- and recovered with the help of 
this community, but that's another story). For his second bike, he had some 
of his own aesthetic values and we built up an old Marin mtn bike that had 
been left for dead.
  He loves his knobby tires and doing wheelies, but now he's also eyeing 
old road bikes and drop down handlebars. We're in San Francisco and we've 
been dashing out for rides up Twin Peaks and out to the beach.  We could 
find something without too much trouble on craigslist, but I want a frame 
with enough stability for a rack- we go bike camping a couple times a year.
  So we basically need a riv type bike that looks fast.  I can't justify or 
afford spending too much money on a growing kid and would love another 
project.  He's almost 5'8" and in sixth grade (tall!).
  Anybody have something kicking around in SF? Recommendations for some 
models and years I should keep my eye out for? 
Thanks!
TR

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[RBW] WTB Brooks C17 Orange /Rust Saddle

[Rick VerHoeven tjg]

WTB Brooks C17 Orange /Rust Saddle

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[RBW] WTB: Choco bars

[allan ludwig]

I’m tinkering with my Homer Hilsen  cockpit, I just took the noodles off I’ve 
had on for the last 5 years. I’ve got a shoulder impingement I’m working 
through so Im guessing being a little more upright might  help out. The 
impingement was not from the noodles but me being a knuckle head in the gym. 
Any choco’s out there?  

-Allan 

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Re: [RBW] Fs: Rivendell Grabsack V1/original

[Gustavo Vasquez]

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1-dAipwv0NDJd2Ln1bAF4B9DEztQCCr8c

There ya go!
If you don't get it I think I may make it into a pannier 

Gustavo 

On Friday, May 1, 2020 at 8:38:45 AM UTC-7, ANDREW ALLEN ERMAN wrote:
>
> Hi!  I am interested.  Do you have a picture of it?  Andy
>
> On Fri, May 1, 2020 at 7:07 AM Gustavo Vasquez  > wrote:
>
>> Hi all! New to the group. 
>> I have what appears to be a like new (if not new) Rivendell Grabsack, 
>> this one has the “V brand” logo. Never really used it.
>>
>> Color is something close to tan/khaki 
>>
>> $65 shipped within USA (PayPal), or $50 local pickup? 
>> Located in Santa Rosa, CA 
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Re: [RBW] Fs: Rivendell Grabsack V1/original

[Gustavo Vasquez]

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1-dAipwv0NDJd2Ln1bAF4B9DEztQCCr8c

Images can be found here! 

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[RBW] Re: Fs: Rivendell Grabsack V1/original

[Gustavo Vasquez]

Bag sold! 
Sorry everyone! 

Gustavo 

On Saturday, May 2, 2020 at 6:12:23 AM UTC-7, Philip Williamson wrote:
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> Welcome, Gustavo! 
> Someone buy this bag, or I’ll have to, but I’ve already got two, one 
> fairly new. 
>
> Philip 
> Santa Rosa, CA 

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[RBW] Re: Admissions of Things You Ought to Have Known But Did Not: A Thread

[Steve Cole]

Leah,

Thanks for starting this thread and the many others you have begun.  They 
are one of the reasons I visit this site daily.

The one thing I should have known but did not -- and it's really an entire 
category -- is that I really shouldn't work on my own bike.  While I think 
am mechanically inclined, I've never trained as a bike mechanic -- 
professional or amateur.  The number of times I have started to "fix" 
something on one of my bikes is too many to count.  All too often, after 
realizing I have not fully succeeded and my bike is not rideable, I haul it 
to my LBS where, in addition to addressing the original problem, they also 
need to undo my bad work and make what I've done wrong right.  

Steve Cole
Arlington, VA



On Monday, May 4, 2020 at 9:41:14 PM UTC-4, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:
>
> I nearly talked myself out of this thread because I’m about to make myself 
> look really stupid, but it was so funny that I’m doing it anyway. 
>
> I’ve been somewhat of a mess my whole Biking Life. I adored bikes, always, 
> but I never had a proper bike education or a nice bike until 2012. I was 
> born to the least mechanically-inclined parents on earth, and my mom was 
> more proficient than my dad. I grew up riding the worst bike you can 
> imagine, always with nearly-flat tires. Maybe once a year, usually in 
> spring, Dad would haul my bike to the gas station and fill the tires with 
> air. It was like riding on clouds. But eventually, my tires would lose air 
> again and I’d have to wait until next year. Not that I’d notice anything 
> was amiss - I was too busy riding barefoot all over small town North 
> Dakota, falling out of trees, eating penny candy from the bowling alley and 
> building forts. Tires, what tires. 
>
> I grew up, went to college, met and married my husband, who grew up on a 
> farm. We moved across the country with almost nothing and started our life 
> and careers. My farmer father-in-law came to visit and outfitted our garage 
> with tools he thought mandatory, including an air compressor. I think it 
> was my 27th birthday that my husband told me he wanted to get me a bike. I 
> knew just the one, it was *really* expensive at $125, but it was my 
> birthday and I would get the best: A blue Schwinn Sidewinder from the local 
> Walmart. 
>
> While he was visiting, my FIL (again, a farmer and not a bike rider) 
> noticed my bike tires were pathetically low. Of course I hadn’t noticed; 
> flat tires were de rigueur for me! He filled them with the air compressor, 
> pushed on the tire and declared it good. And from then on, that was how I 
> did it. 
>
> I’ve heard you all talk about your supple tires and not wanting them rock 
> hard, and I knew *I* had supple tires because when I squeezed them, there 
> was a tiny but perceptible give to the rubber. I mean, that’s what you all 
> meant, right? So I made sure I never filled my tires very fully because 
> supple tires were the ticket. 
>
> I ended up with a floor pump last year. It has a gauge that tells you “how 
> much pressure you runnin’”. I have started using it lately and began to pay 
> attention to what my tire pressure was. 20-25. Huh. I remember folks 
> discussing tire pressure and I didn’t recall theirs being so low. So, I 
> asked Joe, who seems to answer most of the questions on the List and 
> doesn’t seem to resent it. He (through fits of laughter at his keyboard, 
> I’m sure) said that yes, I actually should be pumping up my tires to a 
> certain number and that yes, they would feel rock hard, and no, squeezing 
> them is not a good test, and indeed I would not explode my Big Bens (with 
> max psi of 70) if I filled them to 55 psi. 
>
> I was today years old when I learned that your tires are *supposed* to 
> feel rock hard and be filled to an actual number. I was today years old 
> when I learned that my “supple tires” were just tires that were low on air. 
>
> Who else has managed to miss the obvious when it comes to bike stuff? 
>
> Leah, who would like you to know she is smart at other things. Just not 
> bike things. 
>
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[RBW] Re: Admissions of Things You Ought to Have Known But Did Not: A Thread

[DHans]

Leah,
That was such a fun read! Made me laugh sitting here at my office computer. 
My dad was mechanically inclined but for bike stuff I was on my own! I 
rarely pumped up the tires (that's what we called it) on my really 
expensive Mongoose BMX bike. Mongoose was once upon a time a really good 
brand...we paid (my parents paid) $212 dollars for it in 1980. That was a 
lot of money that they really didn't have, bless them.

I once took a bike apart to see how it was made and could not re-assemble 
it. My dad and I took it to the LBS to have them do it. That was a humbling 
experience as the guy at the LBS looked at me with amusement as I glanced 
at he and my dad while I looked at the rad GT BMX bikes. Ugh. Humility is 
not fun to learn but great to have.
Thanks for the topic,
Doug


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Re: [RBW] Admissions of Things You Ought to Have Known But Did Not: A Thread

[Eric Daume]

The van stripes make sense if you’re an A Team fan!

At 175 pounds, I would run those tires about 40 psi, and fill them up when
I notice too much squirm in corners.

Eric

On Tuesday, May 5, 2020, Joe Bernard  wrote:

> A Thing I'm Not Sure I Ought To Have Known and Definitely Still Don't:
>
> Why a lot of those '90s vans came with those graphics. Someone said,
> "Whelp, there's sure a lot of space there. A racing stripe makes sense." *
>
> *it did not make sense
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[RBW] Re: Atlas stout enough rim for Gus/Susie?

[Garth]

For the 26" rim size Sun also makes the Rhyno Lite XL which is about 2mm 
wider than the Rhyno Lite, and it's available in anodized colors of white, 
blue, yellow, black and red. A good place to find these kind of rims and 
other cool stuff is from BMX websites, where they aren't swept up in 
upgrade-itis. 


On Saturday, May 2, 2020 at 8:06:59 PM UTC-4, John G. wrote:
>
> Gus/Susie pre-orderers: what rims are you planning to use? Are Velocity 
> Atlases stout enough for the intended use of this bike?

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Re: [RBW] Re: Atlas stout enough rim for Gus/Susie?

[Mark Roland]

Though they do make it in 26" as well, maybe just a typo. I will probably 
use these for my next 26" wheel build, great value rims.

On Monday, May 4, 2020 at 2:54:33 PM UTC-4, Mike Williams wrote:
>
> Hey Jason,  another rim to consider,  that falls in between the Atlas 
> (19.8) and Cliffhanger(25) internal widths is Sun Ryno Lyte 700c.   I 
> believe the internal width is 22mm(27 outside).  And they can usually be 
> found for a pair for under which a single Velocity rim would cost.   
>  They’re not MUSA though.They get fairly good reviews.   I’ve seen the 
> weight listed at 590 grams for 700c as well as 670 grams for 700c so I’m 
> not too sure on the confirmed weight.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On May 4, 2020, at 2:27 PM, Jason Fuller > 
> wrote:
>
> 
> This has me seriously debating whether to go with Atlas or Cliffhangers on 
> my Clem wheelset; I might end up running Rat Trap Passes on it and maybe 
> the extra width will prevent the swirm that some have reported.  Or maybe 
> the Atlas is wide enough to address that.  I'll probably run Gravel King 
> SK's (2.1") but good to have the option. 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Atlas stout enough rim for Gus/Susie?

[Mark Roland]

Except if he is looking at RTPs he has a 45cm Clem with 26" wheels. The 
swirm is more a factor of the RTPs being a bit sensitive in terms of 
pressure range, not so much rim width. I've run them on narrow Mavic racing 
rims with no issues.

On Monday, May 4, 2020 at 2:54:33 PM UTC-4, Mike Williams wrote:
>
> Hey Jason,  another rim to consider,  that falls in between the Atlas 
> (19.8) and Cliffhanger(25) internal widths is Sun Ryno Lyte 700c.   I 
> believe the internal width is 22mm(27 outside).  And they can usually be 
> found for a pair for under which a single Velocity rim would cost.   
>  They’re not MUSA though.They get fairly good reviews.   I’ve seen the 
> weight listed at 590 grams for 700c as well as 670 grams for 700c so I’m 
> not too sure on the confirmed weight.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On May 4, 2020, at 2:27 PM, Jason Fuller > 
> wrote:
>
> 
> This has me seriously debating whether to go with Atlas or Cliffhangers on 
> my Clem wheelset; I might end up running Rat Trap Passes on it and maybe 
> the extra width will prevent the swirm that some have reported.  Or maybe 
> the Atlas is wide enough to address that.  I'll probably run Gravel King 
> SK's (2.1") but good to have the option. 
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[RBW] Re: Atlas stout enough rim for Gus/Susie?

[Nick Payne]

On Tuesday, 5 May 2020 11:47:42 UTC+10, Philip Williamson wrote:
>
> My German-speaking friend turned me on to the Todestrieb rims - he was 
> amused no end by the name.
>

Yeah, "death wish" is a strange name for a rim. There's a women's clothing 
boutique near where we live called "Tod", which I think is supposed to be 
an acronym for "things of desire", but every time I see it, I think "death".

Nick

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Re: [RBW] Admissions of Things You Ought to Have Known But Did Not: A Thread

[Joe Bernard]

Evan, I did a couple decades of gooped chains. Maybe not Phil Oil gooped, but 
when a person becomes A Serious Cyclist the first two things they learn are 
their saddle is too low and their chain is squeaky. What's next? Saddle goes 
way up there to where they're wobbling to reach the pedals, and the chain gets 
a couple gallons of the finest wet lube money can buy. Congratulations, you're 
A Serious Cyclist now! 

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