Re: [RBW] Re: Charlie H Gallop!

[masmojo]

My Poly.

https://photos.app.goo.gl/JDVudtqU6Jpw6dm2A

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Re: [RBW] Re: Charlie H Gallop!

[masmojo]

Just to chime in on VO Polyvalent. 
I bought one of the lilac ones and set it up as close to the set up of my 
Atlantis as I possibly could. Albastash bars, dynamo hub, etc. Now it should be 
noted that there was a difference in frame size due to the difference between 
the 26" wheeled Alantis and the 650B/ lowish trail Polyvalent. The VO was 
noticeably heavier, but also much less costly/sophisticated.
Regardless it rides great! Easily the fastest commuter bike in my stable and 
built with fenders. Unfortunately, I haven't been working much the last year or 
so, so it hasn't had much opportunity to do it's thing.
I have to say it was one of the easiest bikes to build up that I've encountered 
the 1" steerer & not being thru Axle I thought was strange, but not a big 
problem for anyone used to Rivendells, but one of those issues is being 
rectified on the  most current version. 
I really like my Polyvalent and it sort of occupies it's own little Niche in 
that I don't think it crosses over much with any current Rivendell bike (maybe 
a Sam?) I recommend them highly.

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[RBW] Re: fresh new look for google groups?????

[Nick Payne]

I think Google are deliberately trying to make the old groups interface 
less reliable, to make people switch to the new. I much prefer the old 
interface, but I'm finding that recently, when trying to load messages, I'm 
regularly getting "An error (#847) occurred while communicating with the 
server." I have to hit "Reload" one or more times to get messages to load 
correctly. If I switch to the new interface, I don't get these errors...

Nick

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Re: [RBW] Re: Naches Pass EL as fast road tire?

[Patrick Moore]

Andrew: good to have another data point; thanks. I had thought of having
the bike built to take Rat Trap Passes, but then thought that accommodating
a 114 mm OL rear hub and fat tires might be a bit chancy for this
particular builder; as it is, if RTPs run a wee bit undersized, they just
might fit if I removed the fenders, but I want fenders, and the "main"
tires will be the skinny Elk Passes.

On Sat, Jul 11, 2020 at 3:40 PM Andrew Turner 
wrote:

> My wife definitely noticed a performance improvement going from Big Bens
> to Naches Pass' even with standard casing. (And she flatted less!). I
> personally wouldn't want to ride any wider than "1.8" if the bike is seeing
> mostly road though. Nothing about wide tires feels fast when you're mashing
> up hills, but then again I've never tried on 26" wheels. Maybe the quicker
> acceleration alleviates that?
> On Saturday, July 11, 2020 at 1:26:30 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Thanks, Jason. I know that the immensely big Big Ones on the Matthews
>> dirt road bike seem to roll fully as easily as the Elk Passes -- the BOs
>> have no tubes, the EPs have light ones. For road use, I have no particular
>> need or desire for tires fatter than about 32 (the EPs are labeled 32 but
>> measure 29 mm and 27 mm on my 2 sets of rims), but for this bike at least
>> it will be nice to take the occasional impromptu excursion into the nearby
>> dirt roads and trails where sand makes the EPs ineffective.
>>
>> On Sat, Jul 11, 2020 at 11:54 AM Jason Fuller  wrote:
>>
>>> From Jan's recent blog post on RH about tire selection for the PBP, he
>>> is convinced that the larger volume tires in the Herse lineup roll just as
>>> fast as the narrow tires--and that casing will be the main factor. Despite
>>> the data to back it up, it's still rather hard to believe; I expected the
>>> difference would be much smaller than what people expect, but not zero!
>>>
>>> I can't offer any EL experience, although the Naches is the 26" version
>>> of my Babyshoes so I know the standard casing pretty well.  I am
>>> anticipating that you'll be a convert and that they'll become the default.
>>> I expect that you'll find the increased comfort and traction without any
>>> significant decrease in speed to be a no-brainer. I look forward to how it
>>> plays out!
>>>
>>> On Friday, 10 July 2020 at 18:09:46 UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
 I'm hoping to try Naches Passes ELs on the new bike once Chauncey
 rebuilds my fork for more clearance. I'm curious how those of you who have
 tried the NP EL as a fast road tire compare it to fast road tires like, for
 example, the Challenge Parigi Roubaix, or the fastest of the RH road tires.
 Me, I want to know how it compares on pavement with the Elk Pass.

 If the NPs roll like the EPs, the NPs may become the default instead of
 the occasional tire for the new bike. If not, not. The bike is principally
 a pavement bike.

 I do have a used 1.75 Pasela that I'm using as a tire fit gauge but I
 think I'll pass on buying a mate; save a few bucks toward the NPs. I know
 I'm not going to substitute the Pasela for the Elk Pass!

 -

 To pick up the new 120 mm OL Surly fixed wheel tomorrow and give the
 new bike a try with a 70" fixed gear. I anticipate nice things, compared to
 the bike it replaces, and I may well have to bump up the chainring to a 50
 for a 73"/65" gear combination with the 17/19 Dingle.

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[RBW] Re: FS: 52cm 1993 Bridgestone XO-1

[Drew Saunders]

Sold! Thanks for looking. My huge list of parts will be listed soon.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rene Herse Fender Install for QB

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Thank you, Steve.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Saturday, July 11, 2020 at 8:04:14 PM UTC-6, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
> Fender failure from stress.
> On 7/11/20 9:33 PM, 'Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch wrote:
>
> Understood, Steve. Thank you for the reminder. I'd presumed I might need 
> to also adjust the stays. When you say "deadly wrong way," are you talking 
> fender failure, or something else? 
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> On Saturday, July 11, 2020 at 4:46:28 PM UTC-6, Steve Palincsar wrote: 
>>
>> Just be careful of one thing.  DO NOT attempt to adjust fender line by 
>> pulling on the fender struts.
>>
>> Yes, that's how you do it with plastic fenders.  Doing it with aluminum 
>> fenders is the kiss of death.  
>>
>> You adjust the fender line (i.e., the arc of the fender and how its curve 
>> matches up with the curve of the wheel) by spreading out or squeezing 
>> together the edges of the fender.  Pulling the edges out decreases the 
>> radius of the curve of the fender, while squeezing the edges together 
>> increases the radius.
>>
>> I'm sure I'm belaboring what you've been told before, but there's a 
>> reason.   The right way with the plastic fenders most of us are most used 
>> to is the deadly wrong way with aluminum fenders.
>>
>> As for "pilfering" ideas -- that's why they're put out there, so we can 
>> learn from them.   There's no :theft" here; not even "folk process."
>>
>>
> -- 
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> Alexandria, Virginia 
> USA
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rene Herse Fender Install for QB

[Steve Palincsar]

Fender failure from stress.

On 7/11/20 9:33 PM, 'Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch wrote:
Understood, Steve. Thank you for the reminder. I'd presumed I might 
need to also adjust the stays. When you say "deadly wrong way," are 
you talking fender failure, or something else?


With abandon,
Patrick

On Saturday, July 11, 2020 at 4:46:28 PM UTC-6, Steve Palincsar wrote:

Just be careful of one thing.  DO NOT attempt to adjust fender
line by pulling on the fender struts.

Yes, that's how you do it with plastic fenders.  Doing it with
aluminum fenders is the kiss of death.

You adjust the fender line (i.e., the arc of the fender and how
its curve matches up with the curve of the wheel) by spreading out
or squeezing together the edges of the fender.  Pulling the edges
out decreases the radius of the curve of the fender, while
squeezing the edges together increases the radius.

I'm sure I'm belaboring what you've been told before, but there's
a reason.   The right way with the plastic fenders most of us are
most used to is the deadly wrong way with aluminum fenders.

As for "pilfering" ideas -- that's why they're put out there, so
we can learn from them.   There's no :theft" here; not even "folk
process."




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Re: [RBW] Re: Rene Herse Fender Install for QB

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Understood, Steve. Thank you for the reminder. I'd presumed I might need to 
also adjust the stays. When you say "deadly wrong way," are you talking 
fender failure, or something else?

With abandon,
Patrick

On Saturday, July 11, 2020 at 4:46:28 PM UTC-6, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
> Just be careful of one thing.  DO NOT attempt to adjust fender line by 
> pulling on the fender struts.
>
> Yes, that's how you do it with plastic fenders.  Doing it with aluminum 
> fenders is the kiss of death.  
>
> You adjust the fender line (i.e., the arc of the fender and how its curve 
> matches up with the curve of the wheel) by spreading out or squeezing 
> together the edges of the fender.  Pulling the edges out decreases the 
> radius of the curve of the fender, while squeezing the edges together 
> increases the radius.
>
> I'm sure I'm belaboring what you've been told before, but there's a 
> reason.   The right way with the plastic fenders most of us are most used 
> to is the deadly wrong way with aluminum fenders.
>
> As for "pilfering" ideas -- that's why they're put out there, so we can 
> learn from them.   There's no :theft" here; not even "folk process."
> On 7/11/20 6:35 PM, 'Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch wrote:
>
> Thanks, Steve. I pilfered the front strut from something I saw on Jan's 
> site. Used a theology book (they are all beefy) to bend it uniformly. Grin. 
> I think Ye Ol' Shoppe left the rear fender out as far as the struts allow, 
> also, it's in low gear, so wheel forward, which exaggerates the look vs. 
> high gear. This gives good clearence for tire in out. I may play with 
> bringing it in a bit. Good eye on the strut length of the front fender 
> stays. I may cut them or leave them, but want to be able to adjust them as 
> needed for a while. 
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick  
>
> On Saturday, July 11, 2020 at 3:57:42 PM UTC-6, Steve Palincsar wrote: 
>>
>> I like what you've done with the front extra support strut.  I kind of 
>> wonder about the rear fender line -- that's a lot of space behind the wheel 
>> -- but you may need that to be able to remove the wheel, I don't know.  But 
>> those fenders sure do look nice on that silver QB.  Looking at the photo 
>> under magnification I can see you could cut the struts a lot shorter: 
>> there's a lot of extra material ahead of the R clips; they don't need to 
>> extend beyond the ends of the clips.
>> On 7/11/20 5:09 PM, 'Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch wrote:
>>
>> Here's how it looks: 
>>
>> [image: IMG_1674.jpeg]
>>
>>
>> Here's how it rides:
>>
>>
>> [image: IMG_1671.jpeg]
>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rene Herse Fender Install for QB

[Steve Palincsar]

Just be careful of one thing.  DO NOT attempt to adjust fender line by 
pulling on the fender struts.


Yes, that's how you do it with plastic fenders.  Doing it with aluminum 
fenders is the kiss of death.


You adjust the fender line (i.e., the arc of the fender and how its 
curve matches up with the curve of the wheel) by spreading out or 
squeezing together the edges of the fender.  Pulling the edges out 
decreases the radius of the curve of the fender, while squeezing the 
edges together increases the radius.


I'm sure I'm belaboring what you've been told before, but there's a 
reason.   The right way with the plastic fenders most of us are most 
used to is the deadly wrong way with aluminum fenders.


As for "pilfering" ideas -- that's why they're put out there, so we can 
learn from them.   There's no :theft" here; not even "folk process."


On 7/11/20 6:35 PM, 'Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch wrote:
Thanks, Steve. I pilfered the front strut from something I saw on 
Jan's site. Used a theology book (they are all beefy) to bend it 
uniformly. Grin. I think Ye Ol' Shoppe left the rear fender out as far 
as the struts allow, also, it's in low gear, so wheel forward, which 
exaggerates the look vs. high gear. This gives good clearence for tire 
in out. I may play with bringing it in a bit. Good eye on the strut 
length of the front fender stays. I may cut them or leave them, but 
want to be able to adjust them as needed for a while.


With abandon,
Patrick

On Saturday, July 11, 2020 at 3:57:42 PM UTC-6, Steve Palincsar wrote:

I like what you've done with the front extra support strut.  I
kind of wonder about the rear fender line -- that's a lot of space
behind the wheel -- but you may need that to be able to remove the
wheel, I don't know.  But those fenders sure do look nice on that
silver QB.  Looking at the photo under magnification I can see you
could cut the struts a lot shorter: there's a lot of extra
material ahead of the R clips; they don't need to extend beyond
the ends of the clips.

On 7/11/20 5:09 PM, 'Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch wrote:

Here's how it looks:

IMG_1674.jpeg


Here's how it rides:


IMG_1671.jpeg



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Re: [RBW] Re: Rene Herse Fender Install for QB

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Thanks, Steve. I pilfered the front strut from something I saw on Jan's 
site. Used a theology book (they are all beefy) to bend it uniformly. Grin. 
I think Ye Ol' Shoppe left the rear fender out as far as the struts allow, 
also, it's in low gear, so wheel forward, which exaggerates the look vs. 
high gear. This gives good clearence for tire in out. I may play with 
bringing it in a bit. Good eye on the strut length of the front fender 
stays. I may cut them or leave them, but want to be able to adjust them as 
needed for a while.

With abandon,
Patrick  

On Saturday, July 11, 2020 at 3:57:42 PM UTC-6, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
> I like what you've done with the front extra support strut.  I kind of 
> wonder about the rear fender line -- that's a lot of space behind the wheel 
> -- but you may need that to be able to remove the wheel, I don't know.  But 
> those fenders sure do look nice on that silver QB.  Looking at the photo 
> under magnification I can see you could cut the struts a lot shorter: 
> there's a lot of extra material ahead of the R clips; they don't need to 
> extend beyond the ends of the clips.
> On 7/11/20 5:09 PM, 'Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch wrote:
>
> Here's how it looks: 
>
> [image: IMG_1674.jpeg]
>
>
> Here's how it rides:
>
>
> [image: IMG_1671.jpeg]
>
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rene Herse Fender Install for QB

[Steve Palincsar]

I like what you've done with the front extra support strut.  I kind of 
wonder about the rear fender line -- that's a lot of space behind the 
wheel -- but you may need that to be able to remove the wheel, I don't 
know.  But those fenders sure do look nice on that silver QB.  Looking 
at the photo under magnification I can see you could cut the struts a 
lot shorter: there's a lot of extra material ahead of the R clips; they 
don't need to extend beyond the ends of the clips.


On 7/11/20 5:09 PM, 'Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch wrote:

Here's how it looks:

IMG_1674.jpeg


Here's how it rides:


IMG_1671.jpeg



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[RBW] Re: FS: 52cm 1993 Bridgestone XO-1

[Drew Saunders]

Sale pending!

On Saturday, July 11, 2020 at 12:47:58 PM UTC-7, Drew Saunders wrote:
>
> Excellent question.
>
> Back in '95 or '96 I was riding off road at Los Trancos OSP and at the 
> crossing of a dry creek the front wheel apparently perfectly matched the 
> creek bed. The wheel stopped rolling, and momentum kept me going. The force 
> of the crash bent the original Moustache bars on the right side, but I 
> couldn't detect any cracks in the frame or fork. I replaced the bars with 
> heat treated ones and eventually bought new wheels, and rode the bike for 
> several years after that, without any obvious signs of frame or fork 
> damage, but I don't have the ability to do an ultrasound or other deep 
> analysis of the frame or fork. I wanted to make sure that's clear so people 
> don't expect a very gently used bike.
>
> Late in the production run, the original forks were recalled. This bike 
> has the later, post-recall fork.
>
> I'll add all of that to the google doc.
>
> Drew
>
> On Saturday, July 11, 2020 at 12:36:59 PM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>> "I crashed it once" might be a problem for potential buyers. Perhaps you 
>> can explain so people know what the frame went through. 
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Bikes on eBay, CraigsLIst, and Other Sites

[Mike Packard]

I believe the Roadini has 130 mm rear spacing vs most (all?) other Rivs 
have 135, if that matters.

mike

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Re: [RBW] Re: Naches Pass EL as fast road tire?

[Andrew Turner]

My wife definitely noticed a performance improvement going from Big Bens to 
Naches Pass' even with standard casing. (And she flatted less!). I 
personally wouldn't want to ride any wider than "1.8" if the bike is seeing 
mostly road though. Nothing about wide tires feels fast when you're mashing 
up hills, but then again I've never tried on 26" wheels. Maybe the quicker 
acceleration alleviates that? 
On Saturday, July 11, 2020 at 1:26:30 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Thanks, Jason. I know that the immensely big Big Ones on the Matthews dirt 
> road bike seem to roll fully as easily as the Elk Passes -- the BOs have no 
> tubes, the EPs have light ones. For road use, I have no particular need or 
> desire for tires fatter than about 32 (the EPs are labeled 32 but measure 
> 29 mm and 27 mm on my 2 sets of rims), but for this bike at least it will 
> be nice to take the occasional impromptu excursion into the nearby dirt 
> roads and trails where sand makes the EPs ineffective.
>
> On Sat, Jul 11, 2020 at 11:54 AM Jason Fuller  wrote:
>
>> From Jan's recent blog post on RH about tire selection for the PBP, he is 
>> convinced that the larger volume tires in the Herse lineup roll just as 
>> fast as the narrow tires--and that casing will be the main factor. Despite 
>> the data to back it up, it's still rather hard to believe; I expected the 
>> difference would be much smaller than what people expect, but not zero! 
>>
>> I can't offer any EL experience, although the Naches is the 26" version 
>> of my Babyshoes so I know the standard casing pretty well.  I am 
>> anticipating that you'll be a convert and that they'll become the default. 
>> I expect that you'll find the increased comfort and traction without any 
>> significant decrease in speed to be a no-brainer. I look forward to how it 
>> plays out!
>>
>> On Friday, 10 July 2020 at 18:09:46 UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> I'm hoping to try Naches Passes ELs on the new bike once Chauncey 
>>> rebuilds my fork for more clearance. I'm curious how those of you who have 
>>> tried the NP EL as a fast road tire compare it to fast road tires like, for 
>>> example, the Challenge Parigi Roubaix, or the fastest of the RH road tires. 
>>> Me, I want to know how it compares on pavement with the Elk Pass. 
>>>
>>> If the NPs roll like the EPs, the NPs may become the default instead of 
>>> the occasional tire for the new bike. If not, not. The bike is principally 
>>> a pavement bike.
>>>
>>> I do have a used 1.75 Pasela that I'm using as a tire fit gauge but I 
>>> think I'll pass on buying a mate; save a few bucks toward the NPs. I know 
>>> I'm not going to substitute the Pasela for the Elk Pass!
>>>
>>> -
>>>
>>> To pick up the new 120 mm OL Surly fixed wheel tomorrow and give the new 
>>> bike a try with a 70" fixed gear. I anticipate nice things, compared to the 
>>> bike it replaces, and I may well have to bump up the chainring to a 50 for 
>>> a 73"/65" gear combination with the 17/19 Dingle.
>>>
>>> -- 
>>>
>>> ---
>>> Patrick Moore
>>> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Thoughts on Rivendell cork grips

[Joel Stern]

Thanks Scott, I was thinking of something like that.  I may use an old tube
under bar tape as I like the look I have now.  I can always try cork later.


On Sat, Jul 11, 2020 at 4:56 PM Scott McLain  wrote:

> Hi Joel,  I just tape near the front of the grip where the twine goes.
> The grip with a shifter cable won’t move much.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Thoughts on Rivendell cork grips

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Hi Joel,  I just tape near the front of the grip where the twine goes.  The 
grip with a shifter cable won’t move much.

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[RBW] Re: Brooks Flyer pre-aged saddle for sale

[Steve Butcher]

The saddle has been spoken for pending payment.  Thanks for looking.  Steven

On Saturday, July 11, 2020 at 1:47:50 PM UTC-5, Steve Butcher wrote:
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>   Hello Forum.  This is a cross post from i-BOB.  I'm posting again 
> because my initial photos were terribly dark; so these reveal the color of 
> the saddle much better.   I'm offering for sale this Brooks Flyer Pre-Aged 
> brown ssaddle.  I purchased the saddle new a few years ago.  it has been 
> installed on a couple bikes so there are a few marks from the seat post 
> rail clamp.The saddle has been garage kept and never wet.  I've treated 
> the saddle once a year with Velo Orange Saddle Care.  the leather is in 
> excellent condtion and  shows some signs of breaking in where my sit bones 
> have rested.  The rivets are steel.  I have never touched the adjustment 
> screw.   I will include a saddle cover in the offer.   I want $80.00 for 
> the saddle shipped in CONUS.  Paypal preferred. PLease Message me off list 
> with questions.  Thanks.
> Steven Butcher
> /stockton, Missouri
>
> [image: 20200711_125727.jpeg]
>
> [image: 20200711_125712.jpeg]
> Stockton, Missouri
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[RBW] Re: Clem Smith Jr. Low

[Tim Rogers]

I have a Clem L 59. Mine has cork grips, a brass bell, a flashlight mount, 
a Sackville bar sack, a brown Brooks B67 saddle, an AXA frame lock, a 
Pletscher rack and pannier bars, the little air pump that mounts to the 
rack, and a tail light. I also have the Pletscher easy-fit basket that 
quick connects to their rack, but it isn't on the bike unless I need to 
carry something I can't strap down. It's a great bike ... you're gonna love 
it.

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[RBW] Re: FS: 52cm 1993 Bridgestone XO-1

[Drew Saunders]

Excellent question.

Back in '95 or '96 I was riding off road at Los Trancos OSP and at the 
crossing of a dry creek the front wheel apparently perfectly matched the 
creek bed. The wheel stopped rolling, and momentum kept me going. The force 
of the crash bent the original Moustache bars on the right side, but I 
couldn't detect any cracks in the frame or fork. I replaced the bars with 
heat treated ones and eventually bought new wheels, and rode the bike for 
several years after that, without any obvious signs of frame or fork 
damage, but I don't have the ability to do an ultrasound or other deep 
analysis of the frame or fork. I wanted to make sure that's clear so people 
don't expect a very gently used bike.

Late in the production run, the original forks were recalled. This bike has 
the later, post-recall fork.

I'll add all of that to the google doc.

Drew

On Saturday, July 11, 2020 at 12:36:59 PM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
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> "I crashed it once" might be a problem for potential buyers. Perhaps you 
> can explain so people know what the frame went through. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Bikes on eBay, CraigsLIst, and Other Sites

[Lyman Labry]

That’s good information.
Thanks!

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> I had a 53cm Roadini, 25 lbs. with a basic non-superlight wheelset sounds
> about right.
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[RBW] FS: 52cm 1993 Bridgestone XO-1

[Joe Bernard]

"I crashed it once" might be a problem for potential buyers. Perhaps you can 
explain so people know what the frame went through. 

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[RBW] Brooks Flyer pre-aged saddle for sale

[Ray Varella]

I sent a pm  
Perhaps check your spam folder

Thank you 
Ray

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[RBW] FS: random cleanout.

[Drw]

Updated list

Bike Friday rear rack- info HERE. Kinda cool, it folds flat for travel, 55lb 
weight limit. it's tall enough to fit on a 26" or 650b bike too. i can measure 
if you are interested. has some weird connectors attached to it that i assume 
are for fenders. lightly used condition.  85$

-Brooks b17 Special- in really good shape, but i seem to be moving away from 
brooks. i think its about 3 years old, but has been off of a bike for the 
majority of that time. It has received obenaufs once or twice a year. i would 
not call it broken in yet. 100$

-IRD Alpina Front Derailleur- 28.6 clamp. for a double or triple. used, but not 
abused. 18$

-Dia Compe Long pull Drop bar levers- these are the only drop v levers that 
dont break like the tektros do. i think these were on a bike at some point, i 
cant remember. very good, almost new condition.  40$
-Chaco Z1-size 10. fit like 10.5, these are the made in usa versions. all 
black. a little dusty, but very good shape otherwise. i wore them on one day 
hike, i think. 40$

-Herschel packable backpack- super lightweight nylon backpack that wads up 
small into its own pocket. olive green and black- 15$

-Jandd hip pack- blue with a leather patch. not huge.  5$


Free items for shipping
-Topeak Explorer rear rack. struts are for a folding bike, so youll either need 
to swap them out or cut these to make them work on a normal bike. in nice 
condition
-Blackburn mini mtn pump. i like the quality of this thing, but it has a head 
that is supposed to work on both types of valves, and its a little finnicky. 
-Pletscher pannier rails
-Microshift FD- braze on 
-Selle Royal saddle

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[RBW] FS: 52cm 1993 Bridgestone XO-1

[Drew Saunders]

Is the lack of a BB/Cranks/Chain scaring people away? I could install:

Shimano UN51 122.5mm BB (ugly, but still smooth)
Sugino GP 110 26/38/50 170mm cranks (original cranks, not original rings)
Whatever 8 speed chain my LBS carries
Replace the FD with an XTR
Replace the RD with an Ultegra RD 6500
Swap the 12-21 with a 12-25 if requested.
Sylvan pedals. (Really beat up, missing a dust cap!)

I’d have to bump the price to $1200 if I did all that work, but if someone 
wants it rideable, and isn’t mechanically inclined, I could get it running. 
Honestly, it’s a better deal if you or your LBS does the work.

If “local pick up” is keeping you from buying, I could get a quote from Palo 
Alto Bicycles to have them pack and ship. I doubt it would be less than $150.

Thanks for looking!

Drew (drew.saund...@gmail.com)

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Bikes on eBay, CraigsLIst, and Other Sites

[Joe Bernard]

I had a 53cm Roadini, 25 lbs. with a basic non-superlight wheelset sounds about 
right. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Naches Pass EL as fast road tire?

[Patrick Moore]

Thanks, Jason. I know that the immensely big Big Ones on the Matthews dirt
road bike seem to roll fully as easily as the Elk Passes -- the BOs have no
tubes, the EPs have light ones. For road use, I have no particular need or
desire for tires fatter than about 32 (the EPs are labeled 32 but measure
29 mm and 27 mm on my 2 sets of rims), but for this bike at least it will
be nice to take the occasional impromptu excursion into the nearby dirt
roads and trails where sand makes the EPs ineffective.

On Sat, Jul 11, 2020 at 11:54 AM Jason Fuller  wrote:

> From Jan's recent blog post on RH about tire selection for the PBP, he is
> convinced that the larger volume tires in the Herse lineup roll just as
> fast as the narrow tires--and that casing will be the main factor. Despite
> the data to back it up, it's still rather hard to believe; I expected the
> difference would be much smaller than what people expect, but not zero!
>
> I can't offer any EL experience, although the Naches is the 26" version of
> my Babyshoes so I know the standard casing pretty well.  I am anticipating
> that you'll be a convert and that they'll become the default. I expect that
> you'll find the increased comfort and traction without any significant
> decrease in speed to be a no-brainer. I look forward to how it plays out!
>
> On Friday, 10 July 2020 at 18:09:46 UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> I'm hoping to try Naches Passes ELs on the new bike once Chauncey
>> rebuilds my fork for more clearance. I'm curious how those of you who have
>> tried the NP EL as a fast road tire compare it to fast road tires like, for
>> example, the Challenge Parigi Roubaix, or the fastest of the RH road tires.
>> Me, I want to know how it compares on pavement with the Elk Pass.
>>
>> If the NPs roll like the EPs, the NPs may become the default instead of
>> the occasional tire for the new bike. If not, not. The bike is principally
>> a pavement bike.
>>
>> I do have a used 1.75 Pasela that I'm using as a tire fit gauge but I
>> think I'll pass on buying a mate; save a few bucks toward the NPs. I know
>> I'm not going to substitute the Pasela for the Elk Pass!
>>
>> -
>>
>> To pick up the new 120 mm OL Surly fixed wheel tomorrow and give the new
>> bike a try with a 70" fixed gear. I anticipate nice things, compared to the
>> bike it replaces, and I may well have to bump up the chainring to a 50 for
>> a 73"/65" gear combination with the 17/19 Dingle.
>>
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>> ---
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>> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
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[RBW] Re: Naches Pass EL as fast road tire?

[Jason Fuller]

>From Jan's recent blog post on RH about tire selection for the PBP, he is 
convinced that the larger volume tires in the Herse lineup roll just as 
fast as the narrow tires--and that casing will be the main factor. Despite 
the data to back it up, it's still rather hard to believe; I expected the 
difference would be much smaller than what people expect, but not zero! 

I can't offer any EL experience, although the Naches is the 26" version of 
my Babyshoes so I know the standard casing pretty well.  I am anticipating 
that you'll be a convert and that they'll become the default. I expect that 
you'll find the increased comfort and traction without any significant 
decrease in speed to be a no-brainer. I look forward to how it plays out!

On Friday, 10 July 2020 at 18:09:46 UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:

> I'm hoping to try Naches Passes ELs on the new bike once Chauncey rebuilds 
> my fork for more clearance. I'm curious how those of you who have tried the 
> NP EL as a fast road tire compare it to fast road tires like, for example, 
> the Challenge Parigi Roubaix, or the fastest of the RH road tires. Me, I 
> want to know how it compares on pavement with the Elk Pass. 
>
> If the NPs roll like the EPs, the NPs may become the default instead of 
> the occasional tire for the new bike. If not, not. The bike is principally 
> a pavement bike.
>
> I do have a used 1.75 Pasela that I'm using as a tire fit gauge but I 
> think I'll pass on buying a mate; save a few bucks toward the NPs. I know 
> I'm not going to substitute the Pasela for the Elk Pass!
>
> -
>
> To pick up the new 120 mm OL Surly fixed wheel tomorrow and give the new 
> bike a try with a 70" fixed gear. I anticipate nice things, compared to the 
> bike it replaces, and I may well have to bump up the chainring to a 50 for 
> a 73"/65" gear combination with the 17/19 Dingle.
>
> -- 
>
> ---
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> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
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[RBW] FS: random cleanout.

[Drw]

Sent both of you a pm. Let me know if it didn’t come thru

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Bikes on eBay, CraigsLIst, and Other Sites

[Reid Echols]

I’ve got a pretty nice (silver) roadie wheelset for sale here in Austin, if 
you’re in the market. Ultegra hubs and mavic rims. Feel free to PM if you’re 
interested! 

Reid in Austin 

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Bikes on eBay, CraigsLIst, and Other Sites

[Lyman Labry]

I inquired about the 61cm Roadini.  Needs wheels. Can anyone tecommend a
light wheel set? Owner said bike weighs 25+ lbs.  That seemed heavier than
I would have thought. But I don’t know.

On Fri, Jul 10, 2020 at 6:03 PM Eric G@rs  wrote:

> I went to test ride that 58cm quickbeam today. It is in great shape, but
> the IGH needs some adjustment. I don't have enough experience with them to
> know exactly what that entails, but I'm sure it's probably easily achieved.
> 1500$ seems a little too steep to me so I decided against it.
>
> Eric
> SF
>
> On Wednesday, July 8, 2020 at 4:11:41 PM UTC-7, Matthew Williams wrote:
>>
>> This thread is for Rivendells you've found on eBay, CraigsList, and sites
>> beyond: bikes in which you think someone here might be interested. This
>> thread isn't for posting ads to your own ad, it's just so people who are
>> searching or interested have a place to look, like, "Hey, check this out!"
>> Here are a few, from today's searches:
>>
>> 61cm Roadini
>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/283940882590
>>
>> 58cm Quickbeam
>>
>> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/d/pinole-rivendell-quickbeam-58/7154380920.html
>>
>> 52cm Clementine
>>
>> https://dallas.craigslist.org/dal/bik/d/richardson-rivendell-clementine/7130894748.html
>>
>> 65cm Redwood
>>
>> https://bellingham.craigslist.org/bik/d/bellingham-rivendell-redwood/7153843392.html
>>
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[RBW] FS: random cleanout.

[Joel Stern]

Is the saddle still available?  I tried to send a private message but could 
not.  

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