[RBW] Electrified Rivendells

[maxcr]

I bought a Copenhagen Wheel earlier this year, but that bike isn’t getting used 
much - less than 75m on it according to the app.

To be honest, I think it was a bad case of upgradeitis- I didn’t need the 
electric assist, but it seemed cool. I don’t have an outlet where I store my 
bike, so that’s also a problem.

I might consider parting with my wheel or I might put it on my wife’s commuter 
- send me a PM if interested, but please note that it would be next month at 
the earliest since I’m not home right now.

Max

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Re: [RBW] Path Less Pedaled will review a Riv!

[Benz Ouyang, Sunnyvale, CA]

On Friday, August 7, 2020 at 7:36:11 PM UTC-7, Chris L wrote:
>
> He's already posted a second video of the Hillborne, this time on some 
> mild single-track.
>

That title is a bit click-baity though. It mentions "Underbiking with the 
Rivendell", but unless Russ cut out the more technical bits of the trail 
from the video, riding that route with that Sam isn't what I'll consider 
"underbiking"; I mean, the tires are fat and knobby for goodness' sakes! 
Underbiking would be riding that route on 23/25mm wide file tread tires 
with a 39x23 lowest gear.

If I may paraphrase Crocodile Dundee , that's 
not underbiking . This is underbiking 

.

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[RBW] Pondering one 'nice' bike...

[Reid Echols]

Keep them all, and buy a 66cm Toyo Atlantis to boot. Or if you want just one, 
the Atlantis is hard to beat. 

Reid in Austin 

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[RBW] Pondering one 'nice' bike...

[Philip Williamson]

Keep the Redwood.
47mm tires can take you just about anywhere.

Philip
Santa Rosa, CA

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Re: [RBW] Re: Electrified Rivendells

[Robert Blunt]

Robert is right. Bike designers have to design the frame around the Bosch
drive system shape so it is never offered as a kit. Most people who are
interested in mid-drive systems (systems which help you pedal from the
bottom bracket area) as kits, use the bafang mid-drive motors which are
available in a variety of power levels. Hub motors are a different animal
and aren't as effective in climbing plus changing the tire on a heavy wheel
hub motor can be a pain. But they are generally cheaper and pretty reliable.
Best,
Rob

On Fri, Aug 7, 2020 at 8:42 PM Robert Tilley  wrote:

> I believe you need a frame that accepts the Bosch drive since the bottom
> bracket needs to be able to fit it. So retrofitting a Bosch drive to a
> standard frame isn't possible as far as I know.
>
> Robert Tilley
> San Diego, CA
>
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> *To:* rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
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> *Subject:* Re: [RBW] Re: Electrified Rivendells
>
> Are Bosch systems even available as kits, or do you need to buy a bicycle
> with the Bosch system?
>
> If you can't get the various Bosch systems, what are folks finding
> reliable and moderately easy to install for pedal assist with some torque
> for hills (Asking for a friend. Seriously. Not that I am against them per
> se, but just don't need one right now.)
>
> On Friday, August 7, 2020 at 5:08:14 PM UTC-4, Robert Tilley wrote:
>>
>> I agree that a purpose built e-bike would better suited for your use.
>> Xtracycle has some nice cargo e-bikes and Surly now offers an electric Big
>> Dummy. I own a Tern S00 and I love it. It rides well even though it's made
>> to fit a wide range of people (one size fits most) and it hauls almost
>> everything I would care to carry on a bike. I do like the Xtracycle cargo
>> platform better but the Tern takes up a lot less space in the garage.
>>
>> I also really like the Bosch system. It does feel like riding a normal
>> bike but with Lance legs instead of my puny legs. I have over 2,000 miles
>> on mine since I picked it up late last year and have had no issues at all.
>>
>> Robert Tilley
>> San Diego, CA
>>
>> Sent from my BlackBerry - the most secure mobile device
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>> *Sent:* August 7, 2020 12:35 PM
>> *To:* rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com
>> *Reply-to:* rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com
>> *Subject:* [RBW] Re: Electrified Rivendells
>>
>> Oh, and to those who have the relevant experience: taking into account
>> nighttime riding, large and heavy loads (I mean Costco shopping for 1,
>> maybe 2), and rainy day riding: what is better, an electrified
>> Clem/Cheviot/Joe/whathave you, or a real electric moped?
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 7, 2020 at 1:20 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>
>>> This thread, along with the consistently very positive reviews of Clems
>>> and Cheviots and other "cruiser"-type Rivendells makes me think about
>>> buying one of these long-stayed, upright Rivs with an electric motor of
>>> some sort, particularly as I progress ineluctably toward senility; perhaps
>>> a elegant Copenhagen wheel?
>>>
>>> I myself put fewer than 200 miles on my old car between a mid-January
>>> 2020 oil change and mid June -- this is not virtue, this is simply a very
>>> quiet life and several bicycles and living near things; my daughter,
>>> Covid-ed home from college in mid-March, put another ~1,200 miles on it
>>> between 1st May and mid-July.
>>>
>>> But for those days when it is windy, or rainy (I have Sou'wester hat and
>>> rain cape and spats), or when I want to carry big loads, an electric bike
>>> may be a real option, and if this bike retains something of the "feel" of
>>> the best Rivs I've already owned, then all the better.
>>>
>>> With that windup, will you-plural post photos and descriptions of your
>>> electrified Rivendells? And tell us how much they can carry, and how you
>>> carry it?
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Aug 7, 2020 at 12:50 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>>
 I can verify a battery fits perfectly on a Cheviot. The only drawback
 for me was the caliper brakes, but that was my fault for putting a monster
 mid-drive kit on it..the damn thing was as fast as a small motorcycle! Your
 kit should be fine on one.
  https://photos.app.goo.gl/9yY2z12rdpbrShbT9

>>> --
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>>> ---
>>> Patrick Moore
>>> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>>>
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Path Less Pedaled will review a Riv!

[Chris L]

He's already posted a second video of the Hillborne, this time on some mild 
single-track.  

On Thursday, August 6, 2020 at 7:11:53 PM UTC-5 Dave Johnston wrote:

> The Sam's are supposed to arrive in "September-ish", so if they do the 
> full review later in Aug or Sept it will be timely enough as far as Riv is 
> concerned. Lately some of the more popular sizes and colors have sold out 
> before the frames even arrived, so I'm not sure how much advertising they 
> need.
>
> -Dave J
>
>
> On Thursday, August 6, 2020 at 7:52:42 AM UTC-4, Eric Daume wrote:
>>
>> After watching this video, I jumped over to the Riv site to see what the 
>> current spec is on the Sam... and it’s not even on the site. No preorder 
>> info or anything. Seems like an opportunity missed.
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Electrified Rivendells

[Dave Redmon]

Small continent! Enjoy your discovery.

On Fri, Aug 7, 2020, 9:18 PM Jason Fuller  wrote:

> Huh!  I live within a short walk of Grin Technologies and this is the
> first I've heard of them.
>
> Jason in Vancouver BC
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[RBW] FS- nitto r10

[Adam]

Selling my nitto r10 as listed here- 
https://www.crustbikes.com/products/ditto-r10-saddle-support-rack/

Excellent saddle bag support, used a handful of times, in like new condition. 
$90 plus shipping. Local purchase preferred in SF Bay Area. 

Thanks!
Adam 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Electrified Rivendells

[Jason Fuller]

Huh!  I live within a short walk of Grin Technologies and this is the first 
I've heard of them. 

Jason in Vancouver BC 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Electrified Rivendells

[Dave Redmon]

I have components from Grin Technologies in British Columbia. The Bafang
front hub is their lightest geared unit, which is connected to their
controller and their Cycle Analyst V 3 "dashboard".  Power comes from
lithium ion 36V 14.5 Ah made by EM3ev. The do offer decent support via
email inquiries.

On Fri, Aug 7, 2020, 7:28 PM Mark Roland  wrote:

> Are Bosch systems even available as kits, or do you need to buy a bicycle
> with the Bosch system?
>
> If you can't get the various Bosch systems, what are folks finding
> reliable and moderately easy to install for pedal assist with some torque
> for hills (Asking for a friend. Seriously. Not that I am against them per
> se, but just don't need one right now.)
>
> On Friday, August 7, 2020 at 5:08:14 PM UTC-4, Robert Tilley wrote:
>>
>> I agree that a purpose built e-bike would better suited for your use.
>> Xtracycle has some nice cargo e-bikes and Surly now offers an electric Big
>> Dummy. I own a Tern S00 and I love it. It rides well even though it's made
>> to fit a wide range of people (one size fits most) and it hauls almost
>> everything I would care to carry on a bike. I do like the Xtracycle cargo
>> platform better but the Tern takes up a lot less space in the garage.
>>
>> I also really like the Bosch system. It does feel like riding a normal
>> bike but with Lance legs instead of my puny legs. I have over 2,000 miles
>> on mine since I picked it up late last year and have had no issues at all.
>>
>> Robert Tilley
>> San Diego, CA
>>
>> Sent from my BlackBerry - the most secure mobile device
>> *From:* bert...@gmail.com
>> *Sent:* August 7, 2020 12:35 PM
>> *To:* rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com
>> *Reply-to:* rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com
>> *Subject:* [RBW] Re: Electrified Rivendells
>>
>> Oh, and to those who have the relevant experience: taking into account
>> nighttime riding, large and heavy loads (I mean Costco shopping for 1,
>> maybe 2), and rainy day riding: what is better, an electrified
>> Clem/Cheviot/Joe/whathave you, or a real electric moped?
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 7, 2020 at 1:20 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>
>>> This thread, along with the consistently very positive reviews of Clems
>>> and Cheviots and other "cruiser"-type Rivendells makes me think about
>>> buying one of these long-stayed, upright Rivs with an electric motor of
>>> some sort, particularly as I progress ineluctably toward senility; perhaps
>>> a elegant Copenhagen wheel?
>>>
>>> I myself put fewer than 200 miles on my old car between a mid-January
>>> 2020 oil change and mid June -- this is not virtue, this is simply a very
>>> quiet life and several bicycles and living near things; my daughter,
>>> Covid-ed home from college in mid-March, put another ~1,200 miles on it
>>> between 1st May and mid-July.
>>>
>>> But for those days when it is windy, or rainy (I have Sou'wester hat and
>>> rain cape and spats), or when I want to carry big loads, an electric bike
>>> may be a real option, and if this bike retains something of the "feel" of
>>> the best Rivs I've already owned, then all the better.
>>>
>>> With that windup, will you-plural post photos and descriptions of your
>>> electrified Rivendells? And tell us how much they can carry, and how you
>>> carry it?
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Aug 7, 2020 at 12:50 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>>
 I can verify a battery fits perfectly on a Cheviot. The only drawback
 for me was the caliper brakes, but that was my fault for putting a monster
 mid-drive kit on it..the damn thing was as fast as a small motorcycle! Your
 kit should be fine on one.
  https://photos.app.goo.gl/9yY2z12rdpbrShbT9

>>> --
>>>
>>> ---
>>> Patrick Moore
>>> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>>>
>>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Electrified Rivendells

[Joe Bernard]

My experience is with the Bafang BBSHD mid-drive system you see in my Cheviot 
pics, and its moderately less powerful cousin BBS02. Pedal assist and throttle, 
fairly straightforward to install if you're a competent wrench..if you can pull 
and replace cranks and bottom brackets you can do this job. Mine were reliable. 
 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Electrified Rivendells

[Robert Tilley]

  I believe you need a frame that accepts the Bosch drive since the bottom bracket needs to be able to fit it. So retrofitting a Bosch drive to a standard frame isn't possible as far as I know.Robert TilleySan Diego, CA Sent from my BlackBerry - the most secure mobile device   From: absolutegal...@gmail.comSent: August 7, 2020 5:28 PMTo: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.comReply-to: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: [RBW] Re: Electrified Rivendells  Are Bosch systems even available as kits, or do you need to buy a bicycle with the Bosch system? If you can't get the various Bosch systems, what are folks finding reliable and moderately easy to install for pedal assist with some torque for hills (Asking for a friend. Seriously. Not that I am against them per se, but just don't need one right now.)On Friday, August 7, 2020 at 5:08:14 PM UTC-4, Robert Tilley wrote:  I agree that a purpose built e-bike would better suited for your use.  Xtracycle has some nice cargo e-bikes and Surly now offers an electric Big Dummy. I own a Tern S00 and I love it. It rides well even though it's made to fit a wide range of people (one size fits most) and it hauls almost everything I would care to carry on a bike. I do like the Xtracycle cargo platform better but the Tern takes up a lot less space in the garage.I also really like the Bosch system. It does feel like riding a normal bike but with Lance legs instead of my puny legs. I have over 2,000 miles on mine since I picked it up late last year and have had no issues at all.Robert TilleySan Diego, CA Sent from my BlackBerry - the most secure mobile device   From:  bert...@gmail.comSent: August 7, 2020 12:35 PMTo: rbw-owne...@googlegroups.comReply-to: rbw-owne...@googlegroups.comSubject: [RBW] Re: Electrified Rivendells  Oh, and to those who have the relevant experience: taking into account nighttime riding, large and heavy loads (I mean Costco shopping for 1, maybe 2), and rainy day riding: what is better, an electrified Clem/Cheviot/Joe/whathave you, or a real electric moped?On Fri, Aug 7, 2020 at 1:20 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:This thread, along with the consistently very positive reviews of Clems and Cheviots and other "cruiser"-type Rivendells makes me think about buying one of these long-stayed, upright Rivs with an electric motor of some sort, particularly as I progress ineluctably toward senility; perhaps a elegant Copenhagen wheel?I myself put fewer than 200 miles on my old car between a mid-January 2020 oil change and mid June -- this is not virtue, this is simply a very quiet life and several bicycles and living near things; my daughter, Covid-ed home from college in mid-March, put another ~1,200 miles on it between 1st May and mid-July.But for those days when it is windy, or rainy (I have Sou'wester hat and rain cape and spats), or when I want to carry big loads, an electric bike may be a real option, and if this bike retains something of the "feel" of the best Rivs I've already owned, then all the better.With that windup, will you-plural post photos and descriptions of your electrified Rivendells? And tell us how much they can carry, and how you carry it?Thanks. On Fri, Aug 7, 2020 at 12:50 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:I can verify a battery fits perfectly on a Cheviot. The only drawback for me was the caliper brakes, but that was my fault for putting a monster mid-drive kit on it..the damn thing was as fast as a small motorcycle! Your kit should be fine on one.
 https://photos.app.goo.gl/9yY2z12rdpbrShbT9-- ---Patrick MooreAlburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
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Re: [RBW] Re: Electrified Rivendells

[Mark Roland]

Are Bosch systems even available as kits, or do you need to buy a bicycle 
with the Bosch system? 

If you can't get the various Bosch systems, what are folks finding reliable 
and moderately easy to install for pedal assist with some torque for hills 
(Asking for a friend. Seriously. Not that I am against them per se, but 
just don't need one right now.)

On Friday, August 7, 2020 at 5:08:14 PM UTC-4, Robert Tilley wrote:
>
> I agree that a purpose built e-bike would better suited for your use.  
> Xtracycle has some nice cargo e-bikes and Surly now offers an electric Big 
> Dummy. I own a Tern S00 and I love it. It rides well even though it's made 
> to fit a wide range of people (one size fits most) and it hauls almost 
> everything I would care to carry on a bike. I do like the Xtracycle cargo 
> platform better but the Tern takes up a lot less space in the garage.
>
> I also really like the Bosch system. It does feel like riding a normal 
> bike but with Lance legs instead of my puny legs. I have over 2,000 miles 
> on mine since I picked it up late last year and have had no issues at all.
>
> Robert Tilley
> San Diego, CA
>
> Sent from my BlackBerry - the most secure mobile device
> *From:* bert...@gmail.com 
> *Sent:* August 7, 2020 12:35 PM
> *To:* rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com 
> *Reply-to:* rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com 
> *Subject:* [RBW] Re: Electrified Rivendells
>
> Oh, and to those who have the relevant experience: taking into account 
> nighttime riding, large and heavy loads (I mean Costco shopping for 1, 
> maybe 2), and rainy day riding: what is better, an electrified 
> Clem/Cheviot/Joe/whathave you, or a real electric moped?
>
> On Fri, Aug 7, 2020 at 1:20 PM Patrick Moore  > wrote:
>
>> This thread, along with the consistently very positive reviews of Clems 
>> and Cheviots and other "cruiser"-type Rivendells makes me think about 
>> buying one of these long-stayed, upright Rivs with an electric motor of 
>> some sort, particularly as I progress ineluctably toward senility; perhaps 
>> a elegant Copenhagen wheel?
>>
>> I myself put fewer than 200 miles on my old car between a mid-January 
>> 2020 oil change and mid June -- this is not virtue, this is simply a very 
>> quiet life and several bicycles and living near things; my daughter, 
>> Covid-ed home from college in mid-March, put another ~1,200 miles on it 
>> between 1st May and mid-July.
>>
>> But for those days when it is windy, or rainy (I have Sou'wester hat and 
>> rain cape and spats), or when I want to carry big loads, an electric bike 
>> may be a real option, and if this bike retains something of the "feel" of 
>> the best Rivs I've already owned, then all the better.
>>
>> With that windup, will you-plural post photos and descriptions of your 
>> electrified Rivendells? And tell us how much they can carry, and how you 
>> carry it?
>>
>> Thanks. 
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 7, 2020 at 12:50 PM Joe Bernard > > wrote:
>>
>>> I can verify a battery fits perfectly on a Cheviot. The only drawback 
>>> for me was the caliper brakes, but that was my fault for putting a monster 
>>> mid-drive kit on it..the damn thing was as fast as a small motorcycle! Your 
>>> kit should be fine on one.
>>>  https://photos.app.goo.gl/9yY2z12rdpbrShbT9
>>>
>> -- 
>>
>> ---
>> Patrick Moore
>> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>>
>>
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[RBW] What riv dealers are holding frames?

[Andrew Huston]

Blue heron has a 52 L in “teal” and a 62 Hillborne. 
Let’s get some bikes sold!

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[RBW] Are there different sizes of 1" threaded headset?

[Jeremy Till]

This is the only 1" Fairweather headset I could find, and it's threadless, not 
threaded. Is this the headset you bought?

https://global.bluelug.com/fairweather-headset-1inch-matt-black.html

To answer your original question, there are a number of 1" threaded headset 
sizes:

https://www.sheldonbrown.com/cribsheet-headsets.html

These days the ISO standard is by far the most common and to my knowledge 
that's what all Rivendells with threaded headsets use. But you can still buy 
headsets in other standards (most commonly JIS) so it's important to know your 
frame and fork dimensions when buying one.

-Jeremy Till
Sacramento, CA

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[RBW] What riv dealers are holding frames?

[Ginz]

Analog has a used 55cm Sam Hilborne complete.  I just happened to be looking at 
it. 

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Re: [RBW] Personal 'Grip of the Gods' variations

[Jason Fuller]

Cheers Brett!  It's denim bar tape from Analog, although I bet you could do 
it with the leftovers of a jorts conversion if you don't mind some loose 
ends. The denim is great when wet - still just as grippy, soft, and a nice 
warmth to it. I live in a very wet climate so that's an important feature 
for sure!

Ed, the bars are MAP / Ahearne wide model (605mm).  I am quite pleased with 
them, the sweep is very ergonomic. 

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[RBW] ISO Fizik Tempo Microtex Bondcush bar tape, red and blue

[Patrick Moore]

A lengthy thread late last year brought this to the top of my list, and it
is now time to replace the worn out blue Lizard Skins on the gofast, and
the durable but hard red tape on the new Chauncey.

Before I buy retail, does anyone have any (deep breath:) "Tempo Microtex
Bondcush" in either "Soft Touch" (sounds like loo paper) or "Classic" for
sale? Or some other brand and model high on both the hand grip comfort (I
use no gloves) and durability scales?

I did get some very nice NIP orange tape recently but I can't see putting
that on either a Ford Blue or Sage Green bike -- will hoard it for the
to-be-Molteni-Orange Libertas.

Thanks.

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[RBW] Re: What riv dealers are holding frames?

[Matthew Williams]

Earlier this week I was at Blue Heron Bikes in Berkeley and they have a few 
Rivendells, but don't know which models or sizes they have.

On Friday, August 7, 2020 at 3:29:39 PM UTC-7 Andrew Huston wrote:

> I’m on the hunt for a new riv (55 to be exact). Any dealers out there have 
> any frames or completes? I’m sure I’m not the only one looking. 

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[RBW] What riv dealers are holding frames?

[Andrew Huston]

I’m on the hunt for a new riv (55 to be exact). Any dealers out there have any 
frames or completes? I’m sure I’m not the only one looking. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Electrified Rivendells

[Joe Bernard]

True. Sorry if my post wasn't clear, the Platypus will have v-brakes and more 
tire clearance. It's going to be awesome!

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[RBW] Are there different sizes of 1" threaded headset?

[Ash]

I'm building up the new Wolbis with mostly black componentry.  Bought a 
black colored 1" Fairweather headset from Blue Lug.  Dropped off the frame 
and the headset at LBS for the swapping.  The bicycle mechanic later called 
and said the headset was not compatible with my frame.  This time I let him 
order the right one (I think he said Origin 8). I brought the headset back 
and double checked the packaging.  It does say 1" threaded.  I'm left 
scratching my head what additional detail I have to specify if I were to 
order a good quality one down the road.  Any clues?

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Re: [RBW] Re: Electrified Rivendells

[Dave Redmon]

Joe, I thought I read something about the Gen 2 Cheviot having V brakes and
other mods. Not true?

On Fri, Aug 7, 2020, 4:40 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:

> Speaking of Cheviots..if you don't buy one soon then keep your eyes peeled
> for the upcoming Platypus. It's going to be a Cheviot with v-brakes and
> more tire clearance, would make an excellent eRiv me-thinks.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Electrified Rivendells

[Robert Blunt]

I agree with Robert about the naturalness and quality of the bosch systems.
They are very intuitive and are very dependable with a wide service network.
Best,
Rob

On Fri, Aug 7, 2020 at 5:08 PM Robert Tilley  wrote:

> I agree that a purpose built e-bike would better suited for your use.
> Xtracycle has some nice cargo e-bikes and Surly now offers an electric Big
> Dummy. I own a Tern S00 and I love it. It rides well even though it's made
> to fit a wide range of people (one size fits most) and it hauls almost
> everything I would care to carry on a bike. I do like the Xtracycle cargo
> platform better but the Tern takes up a lot less space in the garage.
>
> I also really like the Bosch system. It does feel like riding a normal
> bike but with Lance legs instead of my puny legs. I have over 2,000 miles
> on mine since I picked it up late last year and have had no issues at all.
>
> Robert Tilley
> San Diego, CA
>
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> *Subject:* [RBW] Re: Electrified Rivendells
>
> Oh, and to those who have the relevant experience: taking into account
> nighttime riding, large and heavy loads (I mean Costco shopping for 1,
> maybe 2), and rainy day riding: what is better, an electrified
> Clem/Cheviot/Joe/whathave you, or a real electric moped?
>
> On Fri, Aug 7, 2020 at 1:20 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>
>> This thread, along with the consistently very positive reviews of Clems
>> and Cheviots and other "cruiser"-type Rivendells makes me think about
>> buying one of these long-stayed, upright Rivs with an electric motor of
>> some sort, particularly as I progress ineluctably toward senility; perhaps
>> a elegant Copenhagen wheel?
>>
>> I myself put fewer than 200 miles on my old car between a mid-January
>> 2020 oil change and mid June -- this is not virtue, this is simply a very
>> quiet life and several bicycles and living near things; my daughter,
>> Covid-ed home from college in mid-March, put another ~1,200 miles on it
>> between 1st May and mid-July.
>>
>> But for those days when it is windy, or rainy (I have Sou'wester hat and
>> rain cape and spats), or when I want to carry big loads, an electric bike
>> may be a real option, and if this bike retains something of the "feel" of
>> the best Rivs I've already owned, then all the better.
>>
>> With that windup, will you-plural post photos and descriptions of your
>> electrified Rivendells? And tell us how much they can carry, and how you
>> carry it?
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 7, 2020 at 12:50 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>
>>> I can verify a battery fits perfectly on a Cheviot. The only drawback
>>> for me was the caliper brakes, but that was my fault for putting a monster
>>> mid-drive kit on it..the damn thing was as fast as a small motorcycle! Your
>>> kit should be fine on one.
>>>  https://photos.app.goo.gl/9yY2z12rdpbrShbT9
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Electrified Rivendells

[Joe Bernard]

Speaking of Cheviots..if you don't buy one soon then keep your eyes peeled for 
the upcoming Platypus. It's going to be a Cheviot with v-brakes and more tire 
clearance, would make an excellent eRiv me-thinks. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Electrified Rivendells

[Joe Bernard]

Cheviot answers, which will be vague because I don't have it anymore:

1. The braking problem was because of the power of the motor, not an actual 
brakes problem. That ridiculous 1500W kit needs v-brakes or discs. 

2. I used 650B × 41 Fatty Rumpkins. I never tried full fenders but I'm fairly 
confident that's the size limit for running them, I don't know how big a tire 
would fit without. 

3. My very rough estimate of standover (I had a 55cm frame) is 69-70cm, which 
was noticeably higher than my 52 Clem L.  

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Re: [RBW] Re: Electrified Rivendells

[Robert Tilley]

  I agree that a purpose built e-bike would better suited for your use.  Xtracycle has some nice cargo e-bikes and Surly now offers an electric Big Dummy. I own a Tern S00 and I love it. It rides well even though it's made to fit a wide range of people (one size fits most) and it hauls almost everything I would care to carry on a bike. I do like the Xtracycle cargo platform better but the Tern takes up a lot less space in the garage.I also really like the Bosch system. It does feel like riding a normal bike but with Lance legs instead of my puny legs. I have over 2,000 miles on mine since I picked it up late last year and have had no issues at all.Robert TilleySan Diego, CA Sent from my BlackBerry - the most secure mobile device   From: bertin...@gmail.comSent: August 7, 2020 12:35 PMTo: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.comReply-to: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.comSubject: [RBW] Re: Electrified Rivendells  Oh, and to those who have the relevant experience: taking into account nighttime riding, large and heavy loads (I mean Costco shopping for 1, maybe 2), and rainy day riding: what is better, an electrified Clem/Cheviot/Joe/whathave you, or a real electric moped?On Fri, Aug 7, 2020 at 1:20 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:This thread, along with the consistently very positive reviews of Clems and Cheviots and other "cruiser"-type Rivendells makes me think about buying one of these long-stayed, upright Rivs with an electric motor of some sort, particularly as I progress ineluctably toward senility; perhaps a elegant Copenhagen wheel?I myself put fewer than 200 miles on my old car between a mid-January 2020 oil change and mid June -- this is not virtue, this is simply a very quiet life and several bicycles and living near things; my daughter, Covid-ed home from college in mid-March, put another ~1,200 miles on it between 1st May and mid-July.But for those days when it is windy, or rainy (I have Sou'wester hat and rain cape and spats), or when I want to carry big loads, an electric bike may be a real option, and if this bike retains something of the "feel" of the best Rivs I've already owned, then all the better.With that windup, will you-plural post photos and descriptions of your electrified Rivendells? And tell us how much they can carry, and how you carry it?Thanks. On Fri, Aug 7, 2020 at 12:50 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:I can verify a battery fits perfectly on a Cheviot. The only drawback for me was the caliper brakes, but that was my fault for putting a monster mid-drive kit on it..the damn thing was as fast as a small motorcycle! Your kit should be fine on one.
 https://photos.app.goo.gl/9yY2z12rdpbrShbT9-- ---Patrick MooreAlburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
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[RBW] Personal 'Grip of the Gods' variations

[Brett Callahan]

That looks amazing, and I bet it's as functional as it is good looking.  

How's the denim do when wet? Is it denim bar tape? 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Electrified Rivendells

[Robert Blunt]

Patrick,
I agree about buying a purpose built ebike rather than a kit. I have lots
of bikes, including two ebikes. I like them a lot, but I like them because
they are well designed and built for specific purposes like hauling large
loads etc. I have a Riese and Muller Load which is a front loading cargo
bike which has replaced my car for many things. I had parathyroid disease
which caused a great deal of muscle atrophy so the pedal assist helped me
become strong enough to use my regular bikes after a while including my Sam
and my Soma Grand Randonneur. Just my two cents.
Best,
Rob Blunt
Pennington, NJ

On Fri, Aug 7, 2020, 3:35 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> Oh, and to those who have the relevant experience: taking into account
> nighttime riding, large and heavy loads (I mean Costco shopping for 1,
> maybe 2), and rainy day riding: what is better, an electrified
> Clem/Cheviot/Joe/whathave you, or a real electric moped?
>
> On Fri, Aug 7, 2020 at 1:20 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>
>> This thread, along with the consistently very positive reviews of Clems
>> and Cheviots and other "cruiser"-type Rivendells makes me think about
>> buying one of these long-stayed, upright Rivs with an electric motor of
>> some sort, particularly as I progress ineluctably toward senility; perhaps
>> a elegant Copenhagen wheel?
>>
>> I myself put fewer than 200 miles on my old car between a mid-January
>> 2020 oil change and mid June -- this is not virtue, this is simply a very
>> quiet life and several bicycles and living near things; my daughter,
>> Covid-ed home from college in mid-March, put another ~1,200 miles on it
>> between 1st May and mid-July.
>>
>> But for those days when it is windy, or rainy (I have Sou'wester hat and
>> rain cape and spats), or when I want to carry big loads, an electric bike
>> may be a real option, and if this bike retains something of the "feel" of
>> the best Rivs I've already owned, then all the better.
>>
>> With that windup, will you-plural post photos and descriptions of your
>> electrified Rivendells? And tell us how much they can carry, and how you
>> carry it?
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 7, 2020 at 12:50 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>
>>> I can verify a battery fits perfectly on a Cheviot. The only drawback
>>> for me was the caliper brakes, but that was my fault for putting a monster
>>> mid-drive kit on it..the damn thing was as fast as a small motorcycle! Your
>>> kit should be fine on one.
>>>  https://photos.app.goo.gl/9yY2z12rdpbrShbT9
>>>
>> --
>>
>> ---
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>> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Pondering one 'nice' bike...

[Mark Roland]

Those are some excellent examples there, Steve. Thanks for doing the work!

I'm trying to eliminate bikes too. I kind of am, but they seem to be 
getting replaced with Rivendells. All of the Hillibike variety, which I 
feel is hard to come by anywhere else. I like the utility and the fun of 
the Clems. 

With the extra dough from selling the Redwood, you could get a nice passle 
o' supple rubber:
 
44 Snoqualmie (file tread)
55 Antelope (file tread)
29 x 2.2" Fleecer Ridge (knobbie)

Or similar from other brands. Get a second wheelset for the Fleecers.

With a slight saddle adjustment, you can get a smidge more seat angle 
(really such a slight difference between 71.5 and 72 anyway.) Easily 
handles the 2.1" with fenders, drops. Really a vintage mtb drop bar 
conversion but way better, with longer stays and more stack. I've never 
ridden a Redwood, but I have ridden bikes with the same geometry and wheel 
size. In terms of versatility and fun, super hard to beat a Clem. When the 
kids are older and you're having a midlife crisis, you can order up a 
Roadeo.


On Friday, August 7, 2020 at 3:13:40 PM UTC-4, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
> On 8/7/20 3:03 PM, Jason Fuller wrote: 
> > While I should take my own advice when I say this, I think the 
> > difference between 47c and 2.1" is almost all in one's head 
>
>
> The difference between 47 mm ( "47c" is fingernails screeching on a 
> blackboard) and 2.1" is a whopping 5.3mm.   5.3mm is more than the 
> difference between a 23mm tire and a 28mm tire; more than the difference 
> between a 28mm tire and a 32mm tire; more than the difference between a 
> 38mm tire and a 42mm tire.  Those are non-trivial differences, and are 
> instantly noticeable when riding.   "Almost all in one's head?"  I doubt 
> it... 
>
>
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[RBW] Re: Electrified Rivendells

[Joe Bernard]

Short answer now for Patrick, I'll work on Dave's Cheviot questions later: 
You're going to need a factory built ebike/moped/scooter for rain riding, I 
can't recommend any bolt-on kits for that. DIY mounting of motors and batteries 
and exposed wires is strictly dry-day territory. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Pondering one 'nice' bike...

[Jason Fuller]

That is some poor math there, Steve, and I don't see why you need to be so 
argumentative.  Comparing 23 and 28 is over 20% difference in width. The 
difference from 47mm to 52mm is about a 10% difference in width, and both 
are well into the "can handle any surface" size territory. "Whopping 5.3mm" 
is quite laughable in this case. I'm not saying you can't feel the 
difference necessarily, but two things are true: the difference between 
brands and models will have a much bigger impact than the small width 
difference, and you will be able to do all the same riding on either size.  





On Friday, 7 August 2020 at 12:13:40 UTC-7 Steve Palincsar wrote:

> On 8/7/20 3:03 PM, Jason Fuller wrote:
> > While I should take my own advice when I say this, I think the 
> > difference between 47c and 2.1" is almost all in one's head 
>
>
> The difference between 47 mm ( "47c" is fingernails screeching on a 
> blackboard) and 2.1" is a whopping 5.3mm.   5.3mm is more than the 
> difference between a 23mm tire and a 28mm tire; more than the difference 
> between a 28mm tire and a 32mm tire; more than the difference between a 
> 38mm tire and a 42mm tire.  Those are non-trivial differences, and are 
> instantly noticeable when riding.   "Almost all in one's head?"  I doubt 
> it...
>
>
> -- 
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> Alexandria, Virginia
> USA
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[RBW] Re: Electrified Rivendells

[Patrick Moore]

Oh, and to those who have the relevant experience: taking into account
nighttime riding, large and heavy loads (I mean Costco shopping for 1,
maybe 2), and rainy day riding: what is better, an electrified
Clem/Cheviot/Joe/whathave you, or a real electric moped?

On Fri, Aug 7, 2020 at 1:20 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> This thread, along with the consistently very positive reviews of Clems
> and Cheviots and other "cruiser"-type Rivendells makes me think about
> buying one of these long-stayed, upright Rivs with an electric motor of
> some sort, particularly as I progress ineluctably toward senility; perhaps
> a elegant Copenhagen wheel?
>
> I myself put fewer than 200 miles on my old car between a mid-January 2020
> oil change and mid June -- this is not virtue, this is simply a very quiet
> life and several bicycles and living near things; my daughter, Covid-ed
> home from college in mid-March, put another ~1,200 miles on it between 1st
> May and mid-July.
>
> But for those days when it is windy, or rainy (I have Sou'wester hat and
> rain cape and spats), or when I want to carry big loads, an electric bike
> may be a real option, and if this bike retains something of the "feel" of
> the best Rivs I've already owned, then all the better.
>
> With that windup, will you-plural post photos and descriptions of your
> electrified Rivendells? And tell us how much they can carry, and how you
> carry it?
>
> Thanks.
>
> On Fri, Aug 7, 2020 at 12:50 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:
>
>> I can verify a battery fits perfectly on a Cheviot. The only drawback for
>> me was the caliper brakes, but that was my fault for putting a monster
>> mid-drive kit on it..the damn thing was as fast as a small motorcycle! Your
>> kit should be fine on one.
>>  https://photos.app.goo.gl/9yY2z12rdpbrShbT9
>>
> --
>
> ---
> Patrick Moore
> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>
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Re: [RBW] Pre-owned Roadeos - expected cost - complete

[Lyman Labry]

I saw someone was WTB a  63cm Roadeo recently.  I am also interested in
scoping one out in that size if there is another one out there.  Thanks

On Thu, Aug 6, 2020 at 5:33 PM Ryan M. 
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> I think I sold my Roadeo frame set her for a grand, maybe a little more.
> That was several years ago.
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[RBW] Electrified Rivendells

[Patrick Moore]

This thread, along with the consistently very positive reviews of Clems and
Cheviots and other "cruiser"-type Rivendells makes me think about buying
one of these long-stayed, upright Rivs with an electric motor of some sort,
particularly as I progress ineluctably toward senility; perhaps a elegant
Copenhagen wheel?

I myself put fewer than 200 miles on my old car between a mid-January 2020
oil change and mid June -- this is not virtue, this is simply a very quiet
life and several bicycles and living near things; my daughter, Covid-ed
home from college in mid-March, put another ~1,200 miles on it between 1st
May and mid-July.

But for those days when it is windy, or rainy (I have Sou'wester hat and
rain cape and spats), or when I want to carry big loads, an electric bike
may be a real option, and if this bike retains something of the "feel" of
the best Rivs I've already owned, then all the better.

With that windup, will you-plural post photos and descriptions of your
electrified Rivendells? And tell us how much they can carry, and how you
carry it?

Thanks.

On Fri, Aug 7, 2020 at 12:50 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:

> I can verify a battery fits perfectly on a Cheviot. The only drawback for
> me was the caliper brakes, but that was my fault for putting a monster
> mid-drive kit on it..the damn thing was as fast as a small motorcycle! Your
> kit should be fine on one.
>  https://photos.app.goo.gl/9yY2z12rdpbrShbT9
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Pondering one 'nice' bike...

[Steve Palincsar]

On 8/7/20 3:03 PM, Jason Fuller wrote:
While I should take my own advice when I say this, I think the 
difference between 47c and 2.1" is almost all in one's head 



The difference between 47 mm ( "47c" is fingernails screeching on a 
blackboard) and 2.1" is a whopping 5.3mm.   5.3mm is more than the 
difference between a 23mm tire and a 28mm tire; more than the difference 
between a 28mm tire and a 32mm tire; more than the difference between a 
38mm tire and a 42mm tire.  Those are non-trivial differences, and are 
instantly noticeable when riding.   "Almost all in one's head?"  I doubt 
it...



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Re: [RBW] WTT my Clem L for your Cheviot

[Dave Redmon]

Thanks, Joe! Three Qs:

1) What better brakes would you buy for the Cheviot if you wanted better
stopping power?

2) What is max tire width--with and without fenders?

3) What is the step-over height for a 55cm Cheviot? IOW, how much higher
than a Clem L?

Dave

On Fri, Aug 7, 2020, 1:50 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:

> I can verify a battery fits perfectly on a Cheviot. The only drawback for
> me was the caliper brakes, but that was my fault for putting a monster
> mid-drive kit on it..the damn thing was as fast as a small motorcycle! Your
> kit should be fine on one.
>  https://photos.app.goo.gl/9yY2z12rdpbrShbT9
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[RBW] Re: Pondering one 'nice' bike...

[Jason Fuller]

While I should take my own advice when I say this, I think the difference 
between 47c and 2.1" is almost all in one's head and you'll be able to ride 
either tire in basically any of the same situations and the bike will do 
the job.  That Redwood looks great and seems like a perfect all-rounder 
visually, but I know that for me 73 HTA is getting to be steeper than I 
like. If it's stable enough for you, I'd continue to rock that, 
personally.  If you're feeling the want for something more stable, what 
about the upcoming batch of Hillbornes?  Hopefully they'll be canti, and 
then you'll be able to fit the 47c and to me, that's a pretty ideal 
all-rounder size. Among the multitude of great and versatile Rivendells 
over the years, I struggle to imagine any being more versatile than the 
Hillborne. 

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[RBW] WTT my Clem L for your Cheviot

[Joe Bernard]

I can verify a battery fits perfectly on a Cheviot. The only drawback for me 
was the caliper brakes, but that was my fault for putting a monster mid-drive 
kit on it..the damn thing was as fast as a small motorcycle! Your kit should be 
fine on one.
 https://photos.app.goo.gl/9yY2z12rdpbrShbT9

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[RBW] Re: FS Sackville Trunksack Small - Olive

[br...@onenaturellc.com]

im also interested!

On Monday, August 3, 2020 at 6:53:03 PM UTC-4 Huston wrote:

> For sale is a used small Sackville Trunksack.  A few signs of use but no 
> issues to mention.  Olive color.  I purchased this from a fellow RBW 
> member; however, I have a really small front rack, and the attachment 
> points on this bag didn't work for my setup.  Should work well with 
> standard front racks from Nitto, VO, etc.  Measurements per Riv: 8" long, 
> 4.25" wide, 5.5" tall.  $80 (shipping included) via Paypal Friends and 
> Family.  
>
> Photos are available here: 
> https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1--eTxcO9AW4u4K6TuSrp-9ZK-v1safyJ?usp=sharing.
>   
> Thanks for looking.
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[RBW] Re: FS: Paul's Racer-M, Grand Cru Brakeset, NOS Avocet O2 Air 40M Ti Saddle, Phil BB Rings, etc...

[Jack K]

The bottle cages are sold (5 times over actually). All else still available.

-Jack

On Friday, August 7, 2020 at 2:21:26 AM UTC-4, Jack K wrote:
>
> I’ve been slowly selling off my garage-sized cache of bike bits over the 
> last two years. Trying to keep up the “less is more” momentum. Items on 
> offer today include:
>
>- *NEW Avocet O2 Air 40M Titanium Saddle:* Bought as new-old-stock 
>15-ish years ago and hoarded for the day the one on my RB-1 wore out, but 
>it never did. Absolutely pristine, the ultimate saddle from Avocet. If I 
>wasn’t riding recumbents exclusively now there’s no way I’d be selling 
>this.  *$120 + $10 shipping*
>- *EC+ Silca Impero Pump + Campy Head:* Very nearly “like new”, white 
>frame fit body + steel Campy head. This is a smallish pump, tip of Campy 
>head to tip of handle with spring not compressed is 50 cm. With spring 
>fully compressed it's 43 cm.  *$75 + $10 shipping*
>- *NEW Four(4) Stainless Steel Bottle Cages:* New in packaging, 
>traditional style, Tallac brand tubular stainless steel, satin finish, 49 
>grams each.  *$44 + $6 shipping*
>- *Pair (2) Panaracer RiBMo PT *Folding* Tires 700x32C:* Came on a new 
>bike and ridden 15-20 miles before my preferred tires arrived in the mail. 
>Part of Panaracer’s Urban line this is a top-of-the-line commute tire with 
>Panaracer’s Protek casing and Mile Cruncher tread technologies.  *$40/pair 
>+ $10 shipping*
>- *NEW Hollywood Racks Fork Block:* New in packaging heavy-duty fork 
>block for mounting in truck bed or on a wood plank to create your own 
>custom bike transport system – this thing: 
>https://www.etrailer.com/Truck-Bed-Bike-Racks/Hollywood-Racks/HRT970.html  
>  
>*$12 + $7 shipping*
>- *Tandem Rear Wheel (all silver!):* 700c, 48 spoke, 140mm spacing, 
>Suzue Sealed-Tech bolt-on freewheel hub with drag brake mount, Sun Chinook 
>rim, stainless spokes of some ilk, brass nipples, high-pressure Michelin 
>rim strip installed. Came on my very early 90’s Burley tandem and ridden 
>several years before being retired to my garage. Very good condition, but 
>could use a bearing repack and adjust. Can get pic if interested.  *$25 
>+ actual shipping via ShipBikes.com*
>- *EC+ Paul’s Racer-M Center-pull Brakes:* Black, center mount 
>(recessed), installed and stored in my garage after a test ride, perfectly 
>clean and like-new except slight marks in the black finish where the brake 
>shoes bolted down (likely covered by your brakes shoes). Includes 
>everything except brake shoes. I’m including new-in-packaging upgraded 
>Tektro straddle cables & CNC’ed cable hangers. These brakes: 
>
> https://www.paulcomp.com/shop/components/brakes/center-pull-brakes/racer-medium/
>   
>MSRP $300+. *$200 + $10 shipping*
>- *NEW Velo Orange Grand Cru Brakeset:* New, never installed, but I 
>upgraded the VO pads to Kool-Stop Salmon and used an emery board to reduce 
>the mold seam in the center of the pad in preparation to install them. 
>Includes short and long fork bolts, plus hex wrench. These guys: 
>
> https://velo-orange.com/products/grand-cru-long-reach-brakes?variant=51591467783
>  
>MSRP $170  *$140 + $10 shipping*
>- *NEW Phil BB Mounting Rings: *New-in-box, alloy, English threading. 
> * $36 + $4 shipping *
>
> Cheers,
>
>
> -Jack
>

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[RBW] WTT my Clem L for your Cheviot

[Dave Redmon]

I have a front hub motor and 36 volt battery installed on a 52cm Clem L.  It's 
a nice rig but I had to locate the battery on top a rear rack and handling is 
not as stable as I'd like. A 55cm Cheviot looks like it has plenty of room for 
a battery low and centered between its top tube and downtube. Any comments on 
the suitability of a Cheviot as a modest e rig?  If interested in a trade 
please contact me off list.

Dave in Kansas 
 aCheviot wanting to trade for a Clem L?
Dave in Kansas

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[RBW] Re: FS Sackville Trunksack Small - Olive

[Julian Westerhout]

FWIW, the leather trim looks practically new -- I'd say it was very 
unlikely it has seen much rain, never mind having been through a washing 
machine... 


Julian Westerhout
Bloomington, IL 



On Thursday, August 6, 2020 at 6:10:08 PM UTC-5, Applegate wrote:
>
> I'm interested! My only concern is that it looks like it may have been 
> machine washed (the rough texture of the canvas doesn't look like the new 
> olive bags), which diminishes the weather-proofing of the wax. Do you know 
> if that is the case?
>
> Thank you,
> AA
>
> On Thursday, 6 August 2020 at 08:48:50 UTC-7 Huston wrote:
>
>> Bump and price drop: $70.00, shipping included.
>>
>> On Monday, August 3, 2020 at 6:53:03 PM UTC-4 Huston wrote:
>>
>>> For sale is a used small Sackville Trunksack.  A few signs of use but no 
>>> issues to mention.  Olive color.  I purchased this from a fellow RBW 
>>> member; however, I have a really small front rack, and the attachment 
>>> points on this bag didn't work for my setup.  Should work well with 
>>> standard front racks from Nitto, VO, etc.  Measurements per Riv: 8" long, 
>>> 4.25" wide, 5.5" tall.  $80 (shipping included) via Paypal Friends and 
>>> Family.  
>>>
>>> Photos are available here: 
>>> https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1--eTxcO9AW4u4K6TuSrp-9ZK-v1safyJ?usp=sharing.
>>>   
>>> Thanks for looking.
>>>
>>

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[RBW] WTB: 53 or 55cm Roadeo (or early Riv Road)

[Jason D]

I briefly had an early Road and liked the ride a lot, though the sizing was 
off. Seeing some people here having a little luck recently with Want To 
Buy's I figured I would give it a shot! (Even if it's a long shot.) Can do 
a cash deal or I have a Sam I could offer up as a partial trade if there is 
any interest there. Thanks!

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[RBW] FS: 56cm Toyo Atlantis

[Drew Saunders]

I see that it’s sold, but regarding your question about shipping, I got a quote 
from UPS and another from bikeflights.com to send my XO-1 to its new home, and 
bike flights was half the price, and they ship UPS! About $135 depending on the 
amount of insurance you’d want.

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[RBW] Re: WTB: Hunqapillar 58cm

[Jan O.]

Indeed, they don’t come up for sale very often but I’m interested in the 
58cm Hunqapillar for the 700c wheel size and a geometry that will fit me a 
bit better.

Jan
San Francisco, CA

On Thursday, August 6, 2020 at 9:17:54 AM UTC-7 Abcyclehank wrote:

> 57.5cm or 58cm Bombadil available $2200 complete bike on list. 
>
>
> Don’t appear often. 
>
> Ryan Hankinson 
> West Michigan

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