Re: [RBW] Who is using bike lights?

[Patrick Moore]

After I actually read the thing ... Moving legs, not stationary torso --
big difference! Likewise, blinkies and not steady lights. I've read similar
things elsewhere, for example about lights mounted on the legs, which
apparently are more noticeable to drivers than lights mounted on the bike.

I installed reflective "dots" on the cranks of my errand bike, and make
reflective ankle bands a regular piece of night time kit.

During the day, I guess, from this study, the same principle holds.

On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 5:57 PM Joel Stern  wrote:

> I read a study that pretty much said that
>
> https://www.roadbikerider.com/incisive-new-studies-on-cyclist-visibility-d3/
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Re: [RBW] Who is using bike lights?

[Patrick Moore]

I read just the opposite, but I've forgotten the source.

On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 5:57 PM Joel Stern  wrote:

> I read a study that pretty much said that
>
> https://www.roadbikerider.com/incisive-new-studies-on-cyclist-visibility-d3/
>
> On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 6:55 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:
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>> Joel: I'm glad you were not hit,
>>
>> Ads appear from time to time advertising the "brightest tail light" and
>> while I've not seen any recently I think NiteRider and Cygolight make 2 of
>> the bright ones. But I wonder if bright lights, any more than neon-yellow
>> clothing, will make much difference in bright sunlight -- "studies showed"
>> that clothing color didn't.
>>
>> What happened?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 3:55 PM Joel  wrote:
>>
>>> 2 close calls in one day. My red blinking cateye is useless in
>>> daylight.  I a interested in front and back lights to help me be more
>>> visible, your thoughts and experiences are welcome.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> Joel
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Who is using bike lights?

[Patrick Moore]

Bright lights aren't going to help with these idiots, at least during
daylight*. I've had the same thing happen to me; am pleased when I get
close enough to whack the rear fender as the car goes by as I've managed to
do once or twice; have so far refrained from throwing something hard and
heavy.

Nothing but "watch out" helps with this sort of fool, though perhaps a
rigid glare (not necessarily unfriendly; just rigid; I do this) right at
the driver's eye might encourage a bit of self restraint, if you catch the
driver's eye in time.

* At night, entirely unfocused glare, if bright enough (NiteRider arc light
system, eg) in my experience, can make oncoming drivers very cautious; I've
had them scraping the left curb as they went by on residential streets. But
not good for oncoming cyclists, of course.



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> Some lady coming out of a store parking light decided she could beat me
> (going straight on the road) less than 200 feet away.  Really pissed me
> off.  Then on my next turn a white BMW driven by a kid from another lot
> came up really fast trying to avoid stopping before turning.  I usually cut
> through a lot to a quiet area then get on the bike path to a road less
> travelled in the quiet suburbs where there are
> no shops.  Will be doing that again.  These drivers are just selfish.  I
> always look for cyclist to give them right if way,
>
> On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 6:55 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>
>> Joel: I'm glad you were not hit,
>>
>> Ads appear from time to time advertising the "brightest tail light" and
>> while I've not seen any recently I think NiteRider and Cygolight make 2 of
>> the bright ones. But I wonder if bright lights, any more than neon-yellow
>> clothing, will make much difference in bright sunlight -- "studies showed"
>> that clothing color didn't.
>>
>> What happened?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 3:55 PM Joel  wrote:
>>
>>> 2 close calls in one day. My red blinking cateye is useless in
>>> daylight.  I a interested in front and back lights to help me be more
>>> visible, your thoughts and experiences are welcome.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> Joel
>>>
>>>
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[RBW] Re: ISO: Billie bars

[maxcr]

Great to see another riv lover in Cambridge! I don’t have a Billie bar 
available any longer - it’s going to be used on the upcoming Susie. Hope we 
get to meet up for a ride with others in the northeast when things 
normalize.

Good luck with the search.

Max

On Thursday, August 20, 2020 at 7:07:20 PM UTC-6 Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY 
wrote:

> Very lovely bicycle you've got coming to you! (green or orange?), wish I 
> had some billie bars to offer up. If you would like Billie bars but might 
> want to be a slightly bit more forward for that killer'beam ride, you might 
> enjoy the Chocomoose bars. I've got a pair of those but I'd never ever 
> consider parting with them...
> Enjoy!
> -Kai
>
>
> On Thursday, August 20, 2020 at 10:16:46 AM UTC-4, Nick Larson wrote:
>>
>> Anyone got one of these for sale? Got my first riv (68 cm quickbeam) on 
>> the way and looking get a pair of these.
>>
>> In the Cambridge MA area but willing to pay for ship.
>>
>> Best,
>> Nick
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: WTB: Suntour front derailleur double

[Joel Stern]

Paul,  sent a PM.

On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 9:08 PM Paul Brodek  wrote:

> Feel free to disregard if you've already scored. But I generally want to
> know what chainrings somebody's shifting, and maybe a little bit about the
> frame, before matching them with a front derailleur. Yeah, most anything
> can shift most anything, but if you're running a subcompactish 46/30 or
> such, one of the newer fders designed for smaller outer rings might work
> better. Shifting can be a little cleaner when the cage radius matches the
> rings better, and the shorter cages can help avoid grief. Like, fer
> instance, if you're trying to run a smaller outer ring on a bike with
> above-bb der cable guides, sometimes a longer vintage fder cage rear
> section hits the rder cable before you can get the fder low enough over the
> outer ring. Ask me how I know
>
> I'm thinking you were looking for subcompact cranks, but I'm fuzzy on what
> you actually landed, and can't recall what frame all this stuff is going on.
>
> Paul Brodek
> Hillsdale, NJ USA
>
> On Wednesday, August 19, 2020 at 10:58:43 AM UTC-4, Joel wrote:
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>> Looking for a nice (NOS) double front derailleur. Open to other vintage
>> brands
>>
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[RBW] Re: ISO: Billie bars

[Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY]

Very lovely bicycle you've got coming to you! (green or orange?), wish I 
had some billie bars to offer up. If you would like Billie bars but might 
want to be a slightly bit more forward for that killer'beam ride, you might 
enjoy the Chocomoose bars. I've got a pair of those but I'd never ever 
consider parting with them...
Enjoy!
-Kai


On Thursday, August 20, 2020 at 10:16:46 AM UTC-4, Nick Larson wrote:
>
> Anyone got one of these for sale? Got my first riv (68 cm quickbeam) on 
> the way and looking get a pair of these.
>
> In the Cambridge MA area but willing to pay for ship.
>
> Best,
> Nick
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[RBW] Re: WTB: Suntour front derailleur double

[Paul Brodek]

Feel free to disregard if you've already scored. But I generally want to 
know what chainrings somebody's shifting, and maybe a little bit about the 
frame, before matching them with a front derailleur. Yeah, most anything 
can shift most anything, but if you're running a subcompactish 46/30 or 
such, one of the newer fders designed for smaller outer rings might work 
better. Shifting can be a little cleaner when the cage radius matches the 
rings better, and the shorter cages can help avoid grief. Like, fer 
instance, if you're trying to run a smaller outer ring on a bike with 
above-bb der cable guides, sometimes a longer vintage fder cage rear 
section hits the rder cable before you can get the fder low enough over the 
outer ring. Ask me how I know

I'm thinking you were looking for subcompact cranks, but I'm fuzzy on what 
you actually landed, and can't recall what frame all this stuff is going on.

Paul Brodek
Hillsdale, NJ USA

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> Looking for a nice (NOS) double front derailleur. Open to other vintage 
> brands
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Re: [RBW] Who is using bike lights?

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Lights won't help these situations, only remaining calm and mindful and not 
entering into the rush that they are. Easier said than done sometimes.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Thursday, August 20, 2020 at 5:55:07 PM UTC-6, Joel wrote:
>
> Some lady coming out of a store parking light decided she could beat me 
> (going straight on the road) less than 200 feet away.  Really pissed me 
> off.  Then on my next turn a white BMW driven by a kid from another lot 
> came up really fast trying to avoid stopping before turning.  I usually cut 
> through a lot to a quiet area then get on the bike path to a road less 
> travelled in the quiet suburbs where there are 
> no shops.  Will be doing that again.  These drivers are just selfish.  I 
> always look for cyclist to give them right if way,  
>
> On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 6:55 PM Patrick Moore  > wrote:
>
>> Joel: I'm glad you were not hit, 
>>
>> Ads appear from time to time advertising the "brightest tail light" and 
>> while I've not seen any recently I think NiteRider and Cygolight make 2 of 
>> the bright ones. But I wonder if bright lights, any more than neon-yellow 
>> clothing, will make much difference in bright sunlight -- "studies showed" 
>> that clothing color didn't. 
>>
>> What happened?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 3:55 PM Joel > 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> 2 close calls in one day. My red blinking cateye is useless in 
>>> daylight.  I a interested in front and back lights to help me be more 
>>> visible, your thoughts and experiences are welcome.
>>>
>>> Thanks 
>>>
>>> Joel
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Who is using bike lights?

[Robert Tilley]

  Lights aren't going to do anything to prevent things like that. I don't run daytime lights here and at night I primarily use dynamo lights with cutoff and non-blinking non-super bright rear lights. I have few issues with drivers but people here are used to bikes on the road. I do get an occasional driver who does something stupid but it's not the norm.The biggest issue here is distracted driving. Lights won't help there either since you actually need to be looking at the road to be able to notice the lights.Robert TilleySan Diego, CA Sent from my BlackBerry - the most secure mobile device   From: jrster...@gmail.comSent: August 20, 2020 4:55 PMTo: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.comReply-to: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: [RBW] Who is using bike lights?  Some lady coming out of a store parking light decided she could beat me (going straight on the road) less than 200 feet away.  Really pissed me off.  Then on my next turn a white BMW driven by a kid from another lot came up really fast trying to avoid stopping before turning.  I usually cut through a lot to a quiet area then get on the bike path to a road less travelled in the quiet suburbs where there are no shops.  Will be doing that again.  These drivers are just selfish.  I always look for cyclist to give them right if way,  On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 6:55 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:Joel: I'm glad you were not hit, Ads appear from time to time advertising the "brightest tail light" and while I've not seen any recently I think NiteRider and Cygolight make 2 of the bright ones. But I wonder if bright lights, any more than neon-yellow clothing, will make much difference in bright sunlight -- "studies showed" that clothing color didn't. What happened?On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 3:55 PM Joel  wrote:2 close calls in one day. My red blinking cateye is useless in daylight.  I a interested in front and back lights to help me be more visible, your thoughts and experiences are welcome.Thanks Joel-- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/dba2cf2f-39e3-4796-a5bd-94f89d3762dao%40googlegroups.com.-- ---Patrick MooreAlburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum-- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group.To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/-XxUiw_uF7I/unsubscribe.To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/CALuTfgt2E%3DbQUx302hLEHqO4rGP%3DB4_Ke_Vmx5-pNeXk7Pvwmw%40mail.gmail.com.-- ~IMPORTANT~ Note to all~~ EMAIL ETIQUETTEIf you forward this email, please highlight and delete the forwarding history, which includes my email address and maybe others. It is a courtesy to me and others who may not wish to have their email addresses sent all over the world. Erasing the history helps prevent Spammers from obtaining addresses, prevents viruses from being propagated, and limits the proliferation of spam. Also, please use the “BCC” area instead of “TO” and “CC” when forwarding to several people at once.~~Thank you~~



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[RBW] Re: Orange Sam in the House

[eddietheflay]

Orange Sams and Rams quintessential Rivs.

On Thursday, August 20, 2020 at 3:34:35 PM UTC-7, Paul in Dallas wrote:
>
> After about 16 or 17 years I have another Riv.
>
> It's an almost perfect low miles Sam from 2018 I think.
>
> It's the model with caliper brakes.
>
> It was too tall for previous owner and he barely used it.
>
> Mustache bars came on it and I switched to North Road style bars plus 
> changed derailers and few other things.
>
> Well, basically I changed everything but calipers and headset.
>
> Its definitely putting a smile on my face!
>
> Paul in Dallas 
>
> [image: Image] 
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> [image: Image] 
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> [image: Image] 
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Re: [RBW] Who is using bike lights?

[Joel Stern]

Thanks everyone for your thoughtful replies.  I have great info and lights
to now look at.  I never used lights during the day, that very well might
change.  My old Cateye blinking red light is useless in daylight.  I’ve
seen many riders using lights since returning to riding, not a a bad idea
but I doubt it will protect me from testers, which was the cause of my 2010
car accident which kept me off the bike till recently.

On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 7:56 PM Joel Stern  wrote:

> Thanks Eric.  I don’t ride at night, now that I am retired I get out early
> as I can especially in the heat.
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>> Joel:
>>
>> There are many lights out there that will make you more visible to
>> vehicles, but I wouldn’t bet my life on any of them. I believe there’s more
>> safety in being aware of what’s happening around you at all times, wearing
>> brightly colored/contrasting clothing, and assuming that motorists don’t
>> see you.
>>
>> If you *do* use lights bright enough to be seen in daylight, I beg you to
>> think twice about using them at night. The new super-bright taillights,
>> when used at night, make it impossible for anyone to ride behind you
>> safely. All the person behind you can see is a bright red glow.
>>
>> I’ve ranted about this before, so I won’t go on much longer here. But …
>> please be considerate of anyone behind you—and people coming at you on the
>> bike trail and end up getting blasted by your daylight-bright headlight.
>>
>> I recommend a taillight like the PDW “Daybot,” which offers a bright
>> daytime option and a less bright (but still bright enough) nighttime
>> setting that also provides longer runtimes (because no taillight will work
>> with dead batteries).
>>
>>
>>
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>> On Aug 20, 2020, at 2:55 PM, Joel  wrote:
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>> 2 close calls in one day. My red blinking cateye is useless in daylight.
>> I a interested in front and back lights to help me be more visible, your
>> thoughts and experiences are welcome.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Joel
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Re: [RBW] Who is using bike lights?

[Joel Stern]

I read a study that pretty much said that
https://www.roadbikerider.com/incisive-new-studies-on-cyclist-visibility-d3/

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> Ads appear from time to time advertising the "brightest tail light" and
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> What happened?
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>> 2 close calls in one day. My red blinking cateye is useless in daylight.
>> I a interested in front and back lights to help me be more visible, your
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Re: [RBW] Who is using bike lights?

[Joel Stern]

Thanks Eric.  I don’t ride at night, now that I am retired I get out early
as I can especially in the heat.

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> Joel:
>
> There are many lights out there that will make you more visible to
> vehicles, but I wouldn’t bet my life on any of them. I believe there’s more
> safety in being aware of what’s happening around you at all times, wearing
> brightly colored/contrasting clothing, and assuming that motorists don’t
> see you.
>
> If you *do* use lights bright enough to be seen in daylight, I beg you to
> think twice about using them at night. The new super-bright taillights,
> when used at night, make it impossible for anyone to ride behind you
> safely. All the person behind you can see is a bright red glow.
>
> I’ve ranted about this before, so I won’t go on much longer here. But …
> please be considerate of anyone behind you—and people coming at you on the
> bike trail and end up getting blasted by your daylight-bright headlight.
>
> I recommend a taillight like the PDW “Daybot,” which offers a bright
> daytime option and a less bright (but still bright enough) nighttime
> setting that also provides longer runtimes (because no taillight will work
> with dead batteries).
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Re: [RBW] Who is using bike lights?

[Joel Stern]

Some lady coming out of a store parking light decided she could beat me
(going straight on the road) less than 200 feet away.  Really pissed me
off.  Then on my next turn a white BMW driven by a kid from another lot
came up really fast trying to avoid stopping before turning.  I usually cut
through a lot to a quiet area then get on the bike path to a road less
travelled in the quiet suburbs where there are
no shops.  Will be doing that again.  These drivers are just selfish.  I
always look for cyclist to give them right if way,

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> that clothing color didn't.
>
> What happened?
>
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>> I a interested in front and back lights to help me be more visible, your
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Re: [RBW] Who is using bike lights?

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Hi from NYC; Dynamo lights and a loud bell or two.  I use running lights day 
and night, not super bright, just normal DYNAMO lights, pointed not into 
people's eyes but at the ground.  I re-adjust the light if it gets dark and no 
one is around, easily by reaching towards my bar mounted headlight and 
adjusting while riding.  The B tail light has a little reserve and stays on 
at lights and whatnot, very useful for not getting run over while stopped and 
checking your phone or something. 

I think it's really that simple...dynamo running lights that don't blind and 
are always on, and a loud bell that you ring every time you cross an 
intersection or see someone. 

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[RBW] Re: 2020 Goals

[Jason Fuller]

I stumbled across this old thread when looking at subscribed threads.  
Funny to look back at 2020 planning, before 2020 came along and screwed 
everything up. 

BUT!  I said my goal for 2020 was to ride 3600 km, and I'm at 3193 km YTD 
already. So that's good, I guess!  I am also in the midst of a cancer 
fundraiser right now that has me committed to 1000 km for August, which is 
a not insignificant part of that. 

Commuting isn't happening anymore, I don't see any bike camping or touring 
happening for me this year either.  But I'm getting out locally, for sure. 
A 200k brevet is almost a sure thing, I've been doing plenty of rides in 
the 100 - 150 km range. 

How's everyone else making out with their goals? 


On Monday, 23 December 2019 at 15:22:38 UTC-8 Jason Fuller wrote:

> I bought two new Rivendells this fall, so my 2020 goal is to not buy any 
> more bikes and ride the heck out of these new ones!  :D 
>
> My mileage goal is 3600 km, which is a monthly average I had been keeping 
> up July thru November this year. Other goals include: 
>  
>  - Ride a 200km brevet (or at least go for a 200k ride)
>  - go on at least two bike camping trips
>  - go on at least two credit card tours (3-5 day) 
>  - commute by bike at least twice a week (it's 20km each way)
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> But more than anything, I just want to get out on the bike as often as is 
> practical, and use the heck out of these Rivs. 
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[RBW] Re: Orange Sam in the House

[Jason Fuller]

Beautiful frame and build!  

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[RBW] WTB 56 QB

[J L]

Anyone sitting on a size 56 Quickbeam that needs a new home? Let me know 
offlist because I would really like to but it. 

Jason

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[RBW] Re: A. Homer Hilsen (artistically rendered)

[Applegate]

I love the appropriate use of the full initials "AHH" there!
On Thursday, 20 August 2020 at 13:10:59 UTC-7 Paul Richardson wrote:

> shame on me for not giving credit to the very talented shanti hands 
> .
>
> paul
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> On Thursday, August 20, 2020 at 2:47:46 PM UTC-4 greenteadrinkers wrote:
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>> Those are super frickin cool illo's, really twsited in the best way, 
>> total Gray Panter vibe. Loose but vital.
>>
>> On Thursday, August 20, 2020 at 10:40:19 AM UTC-4 Ash wrote:
>>
>>> Very nice!  Talented artist for sure.  The negative BB drop is cool too 
>>> :)
>>>
>>> On Thursday, 20 August 2020 at 07:00:09 UTC-7 Alex Wirth- Owner, Yellow 
>>> Haus Bicycles wrote:
>>>
 VERY COOL!!!




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Re: [RBW] Who is using bike lights?

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I too am glad you are safe and sound. I second Eric's wisdom, and add that 
the super bright flashing day headlights that are more common overload my 
bludgeoned brain, and end rides when I've been caught unawares ... not good 
for people with neurological issues, and some of them may be driving 
oncoming cars.

We are in a constantly escalating "safety" war where "science" studies show 
that more sound/light/flash/spin attracts attention so is "safer." Now we 
have regular business trucks and trash trucks flashing lights everywhere 
they go, cyclists, and even some sirens on non-emergency vehicles, all of 
which leads to greater distraction not greater safety. Also, everyone out 
and about has a LOT on their mind right now and is very stressed, 
complicating the assessment equation at every point of interaction.

With abandon,
Patrick


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> Joel:
>
> There are many lights out there that will make you more visible to 
> vehicles, but I wouldn’t bet my life on any of them. I believe there’s more 
> safety in being aware of what’s happening around you at all times, wearing 
> brightly colored/contrasting clothing, and assuming that motorists don’t 
> see you.
>
> If you *do* use lights bright enough to be seen in daylight, I beg you to 
> think twice about using them at night. The new super-bright taillights, 
> when used at night, make it impossible for anyone to ride behind you 
> safely. All the person behind you can see is a bright red glow. 
>
> I’ve ranted about this before, so I won’t go on much longer here. But … 
> please be considerate of anyone behind you—and people coming at you on the 
> bike trail and end up getting blasted by your daylight-bright headlight.
>
> I recommend a taillight like the PDW “Daybot,” which offers a bright 
> daytime option and a less bright (but still bright enough) nighttime 
> setting that also provides longer runtimes (because no taillight will work 
> with dead batteries).
>
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>
> 2 close calls in one day. My red blinking cateye is useless in daylight. 
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Re: [RBW] Who is using bike lights?

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Amen, brother. Problem is that too many riders use “day-rated” lights in the 
dark.

Like anything else, with taillights there is a point at which you have too much 
of a good thing. No, you don’t need a taillight that’s visible from a mile away!

Regarding headlights, I always recommend a high-quality focused light like the 
Edelux, which has a cutoff beam (similar to modern car headlights) that limits 
the light that hits the eyes of oncoming cars and bicycles. Most American-made 
headlights have a conical beam (like a flashlight) that sends as much light up 
into ongoing eyes as it does down to the road. Peter White goes into this topic 
in extensive detail on his web site.

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> On Aug 20, 2020, at 3:53 PM, Erik Wright  wrote:
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> The Bontrager lights are BRIGHT day-rated lights; too bright for city riding 
> at night, in my opinion.

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Re: [RBW] Who is using bike lights?

['Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Joel:

There are many lights out there that will make you more visible to vehicles, 
but I wouldn’t bet my life on any of them. I believe there’s more safety in 
being aware of what’s happening around you at all times, wearing brightly 
colored/contrasting clothing, and assuming that motorists don’t see you.

If you *do* use lights bright enough to be seen in daylight, I beg you to think 
twice about using them at night. The new super-bright taillights, when used at 
night, make it impossible for anyone to ride behind you safely. All the person 
behind you can see is a bright red glow. 

I’ve ranted about this before, so I won’t go on much longer here. But … please 
be considerate of anyone behind you—and people coming at you on the bike trail 
and end up getting blasted by your daylight-bright headlight.

I recommend a taillight like the PDW “Daybot,” which offers a bright daytime 
option and a less bright (but still bright enough) nighttime setting that also 
provides longer runtimes (because no taillight will work with dead batteries).

--Eric Norris
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> On Aug 20, 2020, at 2:55 PM, Joel  wrote:
> 
> 2 close calls in one day. My red blinking cateye is useless in daylight.  I a 
> interested in front and back lights to help me be more visible, your thoughts 
> and experiences are welcome.
> 
> Thanks 
> 
> Joel
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Re: [RBW] Who is using bike lights?

[Patrick Moore]

Joel: I'm glad you were not hit,

Ads appear from time to time advertising the "brightest tail light" and
while I've not seen any recently I think NiteRider and Cygolight make 2 of
the bright ones. But I wonder if bright lights, any more than neon-yellow
clothing, will make much difference in bright sunlight -- "studies showed"
that clothing color didn't.

What happened?



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> 2 close calls in one day. My red blinking cateye is useless in daylight.
> I a interested in front and back lights to help me be more visible, your
> thoughts and experiences are welcome.
>
> Thanks
>
> Joel
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[RBW] Re: Who is using bike lights?

[Erik Wright]

I use Bontrager Flare R (rear) and Ion 350 (front) when I’m out on the open 
road for longer day rides. I use a dynamo front and little blinky rear for 
city riding. The Bontrager lights are BRIGHT day-rated lights; too bright 
for city riding at night, in my opinion.

Erik
Philly

On Thursday, August 20, 2020 at 5:55:05 PM UTC-4 Joel wrote:

> 2 close calls in one day. My red blinking cateye is useless in daylight. 
>  I a interested in front and back lights to help me be more visible, your 
> thoughts and experiences are welcome.
>
> Thanks 
>
> Joel
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Re: [RBW] Re: Who is using bike lights?

[Joel Stern]

Thanks Julian.  Me too on the close calls.  People think either it is just
a bike, I can beat it before it gets here or my favorite, they are just
stupid.  Now this does not take into account those not paying attention.

On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 6:47 PM Julian Westerhout 
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> Joel,
>
> Glad they were only close calls!   :(
>
> I use a dynamo hub with headlight and taillight on at all times on the
> bikes i ride most -- plus a blinky in the back, and an orange safety
> triangle hanging from my commuter's saddle. Pretty dorky, but hopefully
> pretty visible.
>
> I like dynamos plus LED lights because then I always have lights without
> ever worrying about charging, etc.
>
> Julian Westerhout
> Bloomington, IL
>
>
>
> On Thursday, August 20, 2020 at 4:55:05 PM UTC-5, Joel wrote:
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>> 2 close calls in one day. My red blinking cateye is useless in daylight.
>> I a interested in front and back lights to help me be more visible, your
>> thoughts and experiences are welcome.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Joel
>>
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[RBW] Re: Who is using bike lights?

[Julian Westerhout]

Joel, 

Glad they were only close calls!   :( 

I use a dynamo hub with headlight and taillight on at all times on the 
bikes i ride most -- plus a blinky in the back, and an orange safety 
triangle hanging from my commuter's saddle. Pretty dorky, but hopefully 
pretty visible. 

I like dynamos plus LED lights because then I always have lights without 
ever worrying about charging, etc. 

Julian Westerhout
Bloomington, IL 



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>  I a interested in front and back lights to help me be more visible, your 
> thoughts and experiences are welcome.
>
> Thanks 
>
> Joel
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[RBW] Who is using bike lights?

[Joel]

2 close calls in one day. My red blinking cateye is useless in daylight.  I 
a interested in front and back lights to help me be more visible, your 
thoughts and experiences are welcome.

Thanks 

Joel

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[RBW] Whose using bike light?

[Joel]

2 close calls in one day although I have been thinking of changing my old 
red Cateye for a bit, it is useless in daylight.  I am wondering about good 
lights, specifically a red blinking light for the rear and also a light for 
the front.  I would love to hear about what you are using and your thoughts 
on it.

Joel 

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[RBW] Re: FS: 55 Roadeo

[dp3]

Quick follow up as I received a couple questions on this post. 

Bike is located in Williamsburg, VA. Pedals, pump, water bottle cages, and 
seatbag are not included in sale.

Thanks for the interest! 

On Thursday, August 20, 2020 at 2:46:50 PM UTC-4, dp3 wrote:
>
>
> Up for sale is a MUSA 55 Roadeo. I seem to be riding this bike less and 
> less after a recent move and a more trail riding. I am the second owner (I 
> think). I bought it from another group member a few years ago. This bike 
> rides great.
>
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/YsSySCYcKgeqWx1t7
>
> I didn't clean it up :). I think the frame is in pretty good shape, but 
> certainly a few nicks and scratches. 
>
> I would prefer to sell complete.  
>
> ultegra/velocity a23 wheels w jack brown greens
> mix sram rival/apex drivetrain (compact crank)
> nitto noodle bars
> velo orange grand cru brakes
> velo orange stem
> thomson setback seatpost
> cane creek 100 headset
>
> Asking $2000 Shipped.
>
> Thanks,
> Dave
>

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[RBW] Re: A. Homer Hilsen (artistically rendered)

[Paul Richardson]

shame on me for not giving credit to the very talented shanti hands 
.

paul

On Thursday, August 20, 2020 at 2:47:46 PM UTC-4 greenteadrinkers wrote:

> Those are super frickin cool illo's, really twsited in the best way, total 
> Gray Panter vibe. Loose but vital.
>
> On Thursday, August 20, 2020 at 10:40:19 AM UTC-4 Ash wrote:
>
>> Very nice!  Talented artist for sure.  The negative BB drop is cool too :)
>>
>> On Thursday, 20 August 2020 at 07:00:09 UTC-7 Alex Wirth- Owner, Yellow 
>> Haus Bicycles wrote:
>>
>>> VERY COOL!!!
>>>
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: FS: NEW Ortlieb Sport-Packer Plus Panniers (Yellow!)

[Jack K]

New image ...

On Thursday, August 20, 2020 at 3:14:27 PM UTC-4, Jack K wrote:
>
> I have a new-in-box pair of yellow Ortlieb Sport-Packer Plus panniers I'd 
> like to sell. These have become highly sought after collectibles (not 
> really!), since Ortlieb discontinued the yellow color several years ago. 
> These are 30L total, so large-ish fronts or small-ish rears, use Ortlieb's 
> welded, fully waterproof, construction and mount with the QL2 system. 
> Bought, but never used, and now I ride recumbent and have panniers 
> optimized for that type of bike. MSRP of current (non-yellow) Sport-Packer 
> Plus is $225. $175 + $20 shipping (add $5 additional shipping west of the 
> Mississippi)
>
> Cheers,
>
> -Jack
>

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[RBW] Re: WTB: Looking for a few parts to finish putting together my first build

[Joe Bernard]

Will do, Ray, I'm expecting it here in sunny smokey California around this time 
next week (8/27). 

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[RBW] Re: A. Homer Hilsen (artistically rendered)

[greenteadrinkers]

Those are super frickin cool illo's, really twsited in the best way, total 
Gray Panter vibe. Loose but vital.

On Thursday, August 20, 2020 at 10:40:19 AM UTC-4 Ash wrote:

> Very nice!  Talented artist for sure.  The negative BB drop is cool too :)
>
> On Thursday, 20 August 2020 at 07:00:09 UTC-7 Alex Wirth- Owner, Yellow 
> Haus Bicycles wrote:
>
>> VERY COOL!!!
>>
>>
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[RBW] FS: 55 Roadeo

[dp3]

Up for sale is a MUSA 55 Roadeo. I seem to be riding this bike less and 
less after a recent move and a more trail riding. I am the second owner (I 
think). I bought it from another group member a few years ago. This bike 
rides great.

https://photos.app.goo.gl/YsSySCYcKgeqWx1t7

I didn't clean it up :). I think the frame is in pretty good shape, but 
certainly a few nicks and scratches. 

I would prefer to sell complete.  

ultegra/velocity a23 wheels w jack brown greens
mix sram rival/apex drivetrain (compact crank)
nitto noodle bars
velo orange grand cru brakes
velo orange stem
thomson setback seatpost
cane creek 100 headset

Asking $2000 Shipped.

Thanks,
Dave

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[RBW] Re: Kickstands and Clems

[Coal Bee Rye Anne]

I'm a fan of the Pletscher double and use it on my regular and currently 
only rider (a beat up old Schwinn Traveler built as single speed with 
700x38(aka '42mm' Continental Speedrides) and Chocomoose bars)) but 
one word of caution is that it will limit tire width when unengaged and in 
the 'up position.'  It simply did not fit my 65cm Clem H with 29x2.2 
Continental Mountain-something knobbies.  I'm guessing I never tried to 
mount the double with the Clem's stock Kendas and likely just kept the 
stock kickstand on until after I had swapped the tires... but when I tried 
it did contact the edge of the wider knobby tires.

I suppose I could file the kickstand plate bolt hole to allow some side to 
side offset and this is certainly an option but I just put the double back 
on the Schwinn and I ultimately went back to the stock single leg kickstand 
for the Clem which has a more generous outward bend to allow as big a tire 
as the frame seems to fit without further manipulation.  I'll likely 
revisit the kickstand plate modification when my Clem eventually comes back 
home to reclaim its status as my main bike.  It has unfortunately been in 
storage since fall/winter and the pandemic/family/work/life has pushed bike 
swaps far to the bottom of the list.

Brian Cole
Lawrence, NJ

On Thursday, August 20, 2020 at 1:04:50 PM UTC-4, Mark Roland wrote:

> I have the double on my Clem L, which has seen some heavy grocery loads in 
> the back o bike bags--I would guestimate north of 30lbs total. Nothing on 
> the front rack yet (still basketless at the moment.) Recommended.
>
> On Thursday, August 20, 2020 at 10:16:46 AM UTC-4, Alex K wrote:
>>
>> Just got my Clem L rolling and I'm pretty smitten.  The handling on 
>> curves and general comfort level are fairly astounding.  I do have a Nitto 
>> Campee 34F with a hardware-less Wald 157 basket mounted on the front for 
>> larger loads (laundry, pizza, etc.). What I'm wondering here is if anyone 
>> has any experience with the double kickstand on a heavier/loaded bike.  I 
>> didn't love the single Pletscher kickstand that came with the bike and am 
>> considering a Pletscher or Velo Orange double stand.  Any thoughts?  Thanks 
>> for reading.  
>> Alex
>>
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[RBW] Re: FS: 62cm Joe Appaloosa in Sky Blue

[David Baldi]

Hi Andrew,

I am interested! What is your PBH?

David

On Thursday, August 20, 2020 at 7:17:00 AM UTC-7 Andrew Stevens wrote:

> Howdy! I love this bike but its too big! Selling for $1050 shipped via 
> bike flights with frame/fork/headset/bb/seatpost
>
> There are a few chips but NO dents
>
> Andrew in Austin
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[RBW] Re: Tire Clearance? 55mm Rene Herse Fleecer Ridge Tires on a Waterford Atlantis

[CapNMike]

The rims are Velocity Atlas and listed as 19.8mm on Velocity's web page.
-Mike

On Thursday, August 20, 2020 at 10:16:46 AM UTC-4, Joshua Stacy wrote:
>
> Thanks everyone,
>
> Look like I'll have to try them out. They look like great tires. Mike, 
> what is the internal width of those rims? 
>
> Much appreciation,
> Joshua
>
> On Sunday, August 16, 2020 at 3:03:58 AM UTC-7 CapNMike wrote:
>
>> Hello Joshua, 
>>
>> I have 55mm Rene Herse Fleecer Ridge tires on my 61 cm Waterford 
>> Atlantis. I have the extra light casing version of the tires.
>>
>> They are wonderful tires and the frame has plenty of clearance. 
>>
>> I've attempted to attach photos showing front and rear clearance. Please 
>> excuse the dirt.
>>
>> -Mike
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Kickstands and Clems

[Mark Roland]

I have the double on my Clem L, which has seen some heavy grocery loads in 
the back o bike bags--I would guestimate north of 30lbs total. Nothing on 
the front rack yet (still basketless at the moment.) Recommended.

On Thursday, August 20, 2020 at 10:16:46 AM UTC-4, Alex K wrote:
>
> Just got my Clem L rolling and I'm pretty smitten.  The handling on curves 
> and general comfort level are fairly astounding.  I do have a Nitto Campee 
> 34F with a hardware-less Wald 157 basket mounted on the front for larger 
> loads (laundry, pizza, etc.). What I'm wondering here is if anyone has any 
> experience with the double kickstand on a heavier/loaded bike.  I didn't 
> love the single Pletscher kickstand that came with the bike and am 
> considering a Pletscher or Velo Orange double stand.  Any thoughts?  Thanks 
> for reading.  
> Alex
>

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[RBW] Re: RBW Relics cloisonné pin & magnets

[David Hallerman]

Sold and thanks!

On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 9:51 AM David Hallerman 
wrote:

> Good morning!
>
> Here are three items that I bought from Rivendell waaay back in the
> mid-1990s, hence the hyperbole of "relics." What you get here are three
> cloisonné head tube badges made into three useful objects: one pin and
> two refrigerator magnets (very powerful magnets too).
>
> As the two photos show, some life wear, some beausage. But fully
> functional and very lovely.
>
> Selling all three together for $39 shipped in conus.
>
> Your thoughts?
>
> Dave
> +
> Hudson Valley NY
>
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[RBW] Re: FS: RBW Relics cloisonné pin & magnets

[Corwin]

Hi Dave -

If you've still got'em, I'll take 'em.

Namaste,


Corwin

On Thursday, August 20, 2020 at 6:51:21 AM UTC-7 David Hallerman wrote:

> Good morning!
>
> Here are three items that I bought from Rivendell waaay back in the 
> mid-1990s, hence the hyperbole of "relics." What you get here are three 
> cloisonné head tube badges made into three useful objects: one pin and 
> two refrigerator magnets (very powerful magnets too).
>
> As the two photos show, some life wear, some beausage. But fully 
> functional and very lovely.
>
> Selling all three together for $39 shipped in conus.
>
> Your thoughts?
>
> Dave
> +
> Hudson Valley NY
>
>

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[RBW] Re: friction mode on silver shifters and shimano down tube dura ace shifters slip!

[Bill Lindsay]

Yes, many good mechanics know how to trouble shoot friction shifters that 
wont hold gears under hard effort

My thoughts are that there is one of two things going on: Either you are 
never getting it tight enough, or it is loosening itself up.  

The reason you may not be able to get it tight enough is that the bolt that 
threads into the downtube shifter boss is bottoming out at the bottom of 
the threaded hole.  It feels tight in your hand, because it's bottoming 
out, but it's not actually squeezing the friction bits any harder.  To test 
this, tighten it to confirm whether it is possible to make it too-tight.  
Can you tighten it to a point where the friction is clearly too firm?  If 
so, then this is not what is going on.  Alternatively remove the shifter 
entirely and install only the bolt and observe how far in you can thread it 
before it bottoms out.  See what that looks like and what it feels like.  
If you determine the bolt is bottoming out, carefully file 0.5mm off the 
end and you should be good.  

If you can get it tight enough, and it transitions from 'tight enough' to 
'not tight enough' over a few shifts, then the bolt is loosening itself.  
Consider using a not-too-permanent threadlocker.  I'd start with blue 
Loctite.  Also decide if you have parts that don't fit well on the shifter 
boss that are free to wobble somewhat, and that wobbling helps auto-extract 
the bolt.  

If the judgement calls are difficult, find a good mechanic you trust to put 
their eyes on it.  One other contributor can be excessive friction on the 
cable at the BB.  Your hard efforts cause the cable to very slightly 
tighten and loosen as you flex the frame.  The friction between the cable 
and the housing or guides at the BB can 'win' in the tug-of-war with the 
shifter.  

The last thing is to question whether the return spring on your rear 
derailler is just too strong.  If you are using an RD that is clearly 
intended for index-only operation, or one with a known super-burly spring, 
you just may have a poor combo of parts.  

These are the things I'd go through if the bike(s) were in my stand

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito CA  

On Thursday, August 20, 2020 at 7:14:40 AM UTC-7 Sam Perez wrote:

> does any one know how to trouble shoot friction shifters that wont hold 
> gears under hard effort, i have riv silver shifters and 9speed dura ace 
> down tube shifters that slip on friction mode.
>
> I have done the following only to have the lever loose grip after a few 
> shifts. (lots of hills)
> -tightened the bolt (done) 
> -tightened the D ring (done)
> -adjusted the rear  deralure (done) 
>
> any thoughts?
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Kickstands and Clems

[Edwin W]

I agree with Eric. 
I have a double legged Joe A and it works well. AND it has fallen over a 
bunch of times, too... Uneven ground, uneven weight.. gotta watch out. Best 
thing when it is loaded is always a tree!

Good luck,

Edwin

On Thursday, August 20, 2020 at 9:16:46 AM UTC-5, Alex K wrote:
>
> Just got my Clem L rolling and I'm pretty smitten.  The handling on curves 
> and general comfort level are fairly astounding.  I do have a Nitto Campee 
> 34F with a hardware-less Wald 157 basket mounted on the front for larger 
> loads (laundry, pizza, etc.). What I'm wondering here is if anyone has any 
> experience with the double kickstand on a heavier/loaded bike.  I didn't 
> love the single Pletscher kickstand that came with the bike and am 
> considering a Pletscher or Velo Orange double stand.  Any thoughts?  Thanks 
> for reading.  
> Alex
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[RBW] Re: WTB: Looking for a few parts to finish putting together my first build

[Ray]

UPDATE: Rack, shifters, and brakes acquired. Still looking for sugino 
crank. Joe, please do keep me in mind when your Bombadil arrives.

Thanks everyone,
Ray

On Tuesday, August 18, 2020 at 10:47:10 AM UTC-5 Ray wrote:

> Oh I forgot to add that I'm also on the hunt for single or a pair of Paul 
> motolites. That was really the long shot I was referring to. Thanks 
> everyone.
>
> On Tuesday, August 18, 2020 at 8:00:19 AM UTC-5 Ray wrote:
>
>> Joe, I haven't had enough experience in this area to really have a strong 
>> preference but would say 170 or 172.5 preferred. Open to 175 but 165 would 
>> be too short. Let me know when it arrives and maybe it will work out!
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Ray
>>
>> On Monday, August 17, 2020 at 8:55:18 PM UTC-5 Drw wrote:
>>
>>> SPACES**
>>
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Re: [RBW] Kickstands and Clems

['Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Alex:

I have double Pletscher stand on my Soma Saga, which I’ve used a few times for 
lightly loaded touring (full panniers). It will easily hold up a bike weighing 
50+ pounds. 

Another plus: You can take out either the front or rear wheel to fix a flat, 
and the bike stays standing on the tripod that’s left (wheel + two kickstand 
legs).

--Eric Norris
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> On Aug 17, 2020, at 7:48 AM, Alex K  wrote:
> 
> Just got my Clem L rolling and I'm pretty smitten.  The handling on curves 
> and general comfort level are fairly astounding.  I do have a Nitto Campee 
> 34F with a hardware-less Wald 157 basket mounted on the front for larger 
> loads (laundry, pizza, etc.). What I'm wondering here is if anyone has any 
> experience with the double kickstand on a heavier/loaded bike.  I didn't love 
> the single Pletscher kickstand that came with the bike and am considering a 
> Pletscher or Velo Orange double stand.  Any thoughts?  Thanks for reading.  
> Alex
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[RBW] Re: A. Homer Hilsen (artistically rendered)

[Ash]

Very nice!  Talented artist for sure.  The negative BB drop is cool too :)

On Thursday, 20 August 2020 at 07:00:09 UTC-7 Alex Wirth- Owner, Yellow 
Haus Bicycles wrote:

> VERY COOL!!!
>
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[RBW] Re: friction mode on silver shifters and shimano down tube dura ace shifters slip!

[Cyclofiend Jim]

Check the cable routing, especially the ferrule fit. A minor movement 
between the cable and ferrule or the ferrule and a cable stop can sometimes 
cause this.
Double-check that there is not a "second" ferrule stuck in a stop somewhere 
(including the derailleur). 
If the bike was built up with too tight of a cable/housing run, that 
sometimes causes that.  
Too tight of an arc at the RD.
Derailleur not completely tightened/attached.
Bent derailleur hanger

Since it's happening on two different sets of shifters, the problem is 
likely in the cable run or derailleur. 
Also, you might make sure that the bike was built up with the proper type 
of housing - brake housing and derailleur housing are not the same. 

Hope that helps!

- Jim


On Thursday, August 20, 2020 at 7:14:40 AM UTC-7, Sam Perez wrote:
>
> does any one know how to trouble shoot friction shifters that wont hold 
> gears under hard effort, i have riv silver shifters and 9speed dura ace 
> down tube shifters that slip on friction mode.
>
> I have done the following only to have the lever loose grip after a few 
> shifts. (lots of hills)
> -tightened the bolt (done) 
> -tightened the D ring (done)
> -adjusted the rear  deralure (done) 
>
> any thoughts?
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell has the almost perfect crankset for me

[Joel Stern]

What about Tange Sakae

On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 10:16 AM Mark Anderson  wrote:

> I meant to add that the Origin8 cranks tend to be inexpensive and sold
> without chainrings, this they don’t come with the wrong rings.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Charlie H Gallop!

[Andy Beichler]

That looks great.  

On Tuesday, August 18, 2020 at 6:57:37 PM UTC-4, Jason Fuller wrote:
>
> You underestimate my parts bin! I could build both complete, other than 
> the new wheelset, but you're very right that it's only a $750 increase over 
> the frameset (give or take, depending where it lands exactly) and that's a 
> great value for a full build curated by Riv. I'm not sure how flexible Riv 
> typically is about swapping stuff out but I suspect I shall find out (and 
> buy either way). 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Thoughts on albastach bars

[Sam Perez]

Awesome thanks , it's a drop bar bike I've been toying with the idea of
changing it up.i have the Billie bar on another bike and thought it was
somewhere in between.

On Sat, Aug 15, 2020, 11:17 AM Bill Lindsay  wrote:

> I'm assuming the OP is talking about swapping Albastache bars onto a bike
> they already have.  Is that right?  Let's see the bike!
>
> James at Analog is pointing out that for a lot of riders, changing the bar
> AND stem works out well more often in his experience.  I will concur that
> the current crop of flared drops are amazing, provided you get them to the
> right height.
>
> In my experience with Albastache bars, they are awesome, but from a fit
> perspective I consider them pretty much the same as drop bars.  I have a
> set and run them sometimes on a road bike where I could just as easily run
> drops.  I agree with James that the appeal is a look.  For me, the
> important distinction is that I don't think of Albastache bars as a fix for
> drop bars.  If you have a drop bar bike and you hate riding it because you
> feel 'hunched over' or 'stretched out', then switching the drop bars for
> Albastache won't necessarily fix your problems.  If you have a drop bar
> bike that you love riding and fits you perfect but you want to try a
> different bend, Albastache will likely work and you might prefer the
> cockpit setup, and you might prefer the looks.
>
> Those are my thoughts/opinions
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
> On Saturday, August 15, 2020 at 7:49:50 AM UTC-7 James / Analog Cycles
> wrote:
>
>> This runs contrary to most opinions here, but I've fit and then removed a
>> number of mustache and albastache bars over the years.  To clarify: I
>> warned riders about the limits, but they were enticed by the looks.
>> Limited hand positions, awkward wrist angle.  A dirt drop bar, up high, has
>> a better wrist angle when riding in the hoods and in the drops.  With the
>> current crop of 46- 52cm dirt drop bars out there, I think it's a more
>> ergonomic, functional way to go.
>>
>> -James / Analog Cycles
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, August 13, 2020 at 4:19:27 PM UTC-4, Sam Perez wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi everyone I'm new to the group and absolutely enjoy riv bikes and
>>> components. Any thoughts on albastach? Does it go as far back as the
>>> albatross?
>>
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[RBW] Re: Rivendell has the almost perfect crankset for me

[Mark Anderson]

I meant to add that the Origin8 cranks tend to be inexpensive and sold without 
chainrings, this they don’t come with the wrong rings. 

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[RBW] Re: Tire Clearance? 55mm Rene Herse Fleecer Ridge Tires on a Waterford Atlantis

[Joshua Stacy]

Thanks everyone,

Look like I'll have to try them out. They look like great tires. Mike, what 
is the internal width of those rims? 

Much appreciation,
Joshua

On Sunday, August 16, 2020 at 3:03:58 AM UTC-7 CapNMike wrote:

> Hello Joshua, 
>
> I have 55mm Rene Herse Fleecer Ridge tires on my 61 cm Waterford Atlantis. 
> I have the extra light casing version of the tires.
>
> They are wonderful tires and the frame has plenty of clearance. 
>
> I've attempted to attach photos showing front and rear clearance. Please 
> excuse the dirt.
>
> -Mike
>

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[RBW] Re: Upgrade to Sam Hillborne from a Surly Corss-Check?

[Andy Beichler]

You are correct, but this Schwinn was built in Waterford.  I also have an 
85 Schwinn Voyageur which is very similar in terms of geometry.  However, 
in terms of finish, there is no comparison.  Make no mistake, the Voyageur 
is a fine bike but it lacks the polish of the Paramount.

On Friday, August 14, 2020 at 3:59:55 PM UTC-4, Mark Roland wrote:
>
> Then again, I believe the Paramount is a Schwinn ;^)
>
> On Wednesday, August 12, 2020 at 9:55:17 PM UTC-4, Andy Beichler wrote:
>>
>> I am curious about the finish of a Sam Hillborne.  I lucked into a 1984 
>> Paramount Touring a year or so ago and got my first up close view of what a 
>> high end frame looks like.  The finish on it is top notch.  The lug lines 
>> are very clean.  No stray file marks or tiny drips of brass (silver?).  The 
>> connection where the seat and chain stays join the drop out are fantastic.  
>> There is no evidence of a plug on the end of it.  I don't necessarily 
>> expect the same level of finish on a Sam Hillborne as I expect on a much 
>> more expensive bike, but I would like to think the finish is better than I 
>> would find on a Soma or Schwinn.  What is the finish on a Sam Hillborne 
>> like?
>>
>>
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[RBW] Kickstands and Clems

[Alex K]

Just got my Clem L rolling and I'm pretty smitten.  The handling on curves 
and general comfort level are fairly astounding.  I do have a Nitto Campee 
34F with a hardware-less Wald 157 basket mounted on the front for larger 
loads (laundry, pizza, etc.). What I'm wondering here is if anyone has any 
experience with the double kickstand on a heavier/loaded bike.  I didn't 
love the single Pletscher kickstand that came with the bike and am 
considering a Pletscher or Velo Orange double stand.  Any thoughts?  Thanks 
for reading.  
Alex

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[RBW] ISO: Billie bars

[Nick Larson]

Anyone got one of these for sale? Got my first riv (68 cm quickbeam) on the 
way and looking get a pair of these.

In the Cambridge MA area but willing to pay for ship.

Best,
Nick

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Re: [RBW] Re: Thoughts on albastach bars

[Sam Perez]

Thanks everybody, I think I'll stick to drops for now. I have wrist issues
and typically run shorter stems fir my t Rex arms.

On Mon, Aug 17, 2020, 2:51 PM Sam Perez  wrote:

> Awesome thanks , it's a drop bar bike I've been toying with the idea of
> changing it up.i have the Billie bar on another bike and thought it was
> somewhere in between.
>
> On Sat, Aug 15, 2020, 11:17 AM Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>
>> I'm assuming the OP is talking about swapping Albastache bars onto a bike
>> they already have.  Is that right?  Let's see the bike!
>>
>> James at Analog is pointing out that for a lot of riders, changing the
>> bar AND stem works out well more often in his experience.  I will concur
>> that the current crop of flared drops are amazing, provided you get them to
>> the right height.
>>
>> In my experience with Albastache bars, they are awesome, but from a fit
>> perspective I consider them pretty much the same as drop bars.  I have a
>> set and run them sometimes on a road bike where I could just as easily run
>> drops.  I agree with James that the appeal is a look.  For me, the
>> important distinction is that I don't think of Albastache bars as a fix for
>> drop bars.  If you have a drop bar bike and you hate riding it because you
>> feel 'hunched over' or 'stretched out', then switching the drop bars for
>> Albastache won't necessarily fix your problems.  If you have a drop bar
>> bike that you love riding and fits you perfect but you want to try a
>> different bend, Albastache will likely work and you might prefer the
>> cockpit setup, and you might prefer the looks.
>>
>> Those are my thoughts/opinions
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>> On Saturday, August 15, 2020 at 7:49:50 AM UTC-7 James / Analog Cycles
>> wrote:
>>
>>> This runs contrary to most opinions here, but I've fit and then removed
>>> a number of mustache and albastache bars over the years.  To clarify: I
>>> warned riders about the limits, but they were enticed by the looks.
>>> Limited hand positions, awkward wrist angle.  A dirt drop bar, up high, has
>>> a better wrist angle when riding in the hoods and in the drops.  With the
>>> current crop of 46- 52cm dirt drop bars out there, I think it's a more
>>> ergonomic, functional way to go.
>>>
>>> -James / Analog Cycles
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, August 13, 2020 at 4:19:27 PM UTC-4, Sam Perez wrote:

 Hi everyone I'm new to the group and absolutely enjoy riv bikes and
 components. Any thoughts on albastach? Does it go as far back as the
 albatross?
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Rivendell has the almost perfect crankset for me

[Mark Anderson]

The trike I bought from Utah Trikes this past Feb. came with the FSA crank Joe 
mentions. The bearings failed at about 1200 miles of gentle riding in cool, 
clean, dry Utah—not an exactly stellar service life. Utah trikes was decidedly 
unhelpful regarding any warranty claim as well. The Gossamer bottom brackets 
have a pretty abysmal reputation for durability it seems, matching my 
experience. 

I know Origin8 makes a range of square-taper cranks in shorter lengths, but I 
have no experience with them myself. 

Mark Anderson 

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[RBW] Re: WTB right (rear) shimano paul thumbie (or a set, if necessary)

[Sam Perez]

odd i thought i responded i have a pair for 31.8 clamp size paul thumbies 
if you are interested.

On Tuesday, August 18, 2020 at 8:17:56 PM UTC-7 Michael Baquerizo wrote:

> looking for a rear derailleur paul thumbie. color doesn't matter really, 
> silver would be cool but black is fine. 
>
> aesthetic condition doesn't matter too much either. 
>
> if anyone has the thumbie (or adapter) that takes the riv shifters, that 
> would be good too. 
>
> thanks in advance!
>

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[RBW] friction mode on silver shifters and shimano down tube dura ace shifters slip!

[Sam Perez]

does any one know how to trouble shoot friction shifters that wont hold 
gears under hard effort, i have riv silver shifters and 9speed dura ace 
down tube shifters that slip on friction mode.

I have done the following only to have the lever loose grip after a few 
shifts. (lots of hills)
-tightened the bolt (done) 
-tightened the D ring (done)
-adjusted the rear  deralure (done) 

any thoughts?

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Re: [RBW] Re: Charlie H Gallop!

[Whatcha Oughtter]

Mini v brakes that can be used with normal-pull road brake levers. I had 
tektros that worked great on a drop bar conversion MB-2. I also had mtb lever 
shifters on the top of the bars and I’d do that again too. Room for 42mm tires?

Time to start saving $$!!!

-John

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[RBW] Clems, racks and P-clamps

[Alex K]

Hey all.  Trying to find the perfect setup for my Clem L.  I have a Nitto 
Campee 34F and a Wald 157 basket currently mounted to my new Clementine.  I 
love it all, but have been alerted that perhaps the p-clamps aren’t best 
suited for long-term use.  Thoughts?  Advicc? Alternatives?  I really love 
the 157 for laundry and pizza deliveries.  But I’m open to trying a 
different rack or mounting setup...

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Re: [RBW] Re: daily post ur riv

[getjosh...@gmail.com]

Austin, 
I'm glad that you were able to stuff 2.6" tires in that Clem, but I'm 
pretty surprised.  I've got 2.4" tires in mine and the chain rubs the tire 
a bit in the lowest gear on the small ring.  It's not an issue and it's not 
constant, but when I'm on rough terrain it will wiggle around enough to 
where it'll rub a bit.  Cool bike man. 

On Tuesday, August 11, 2020 at 12:56:29 PM UTC-4 Reid Echols wrote:

> Finally got my big 'ol Clem built up, and am delighted to find it clears 
> 2.6" tires. 
>
> Reid in Austin 
>
> [image: 8DDE0AB9-8726-402A-A4CF-820716DA7BD8_1_201_a.jpeg]
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[RBW] Re: A. Homer Hilsen (artistically rendered)

[Alex Wirth- Owner, Yellow Haus Bicycles]

VERY COOL!!!


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Re: [RBW] Susie Has a Question - Bottom Bracket Spindle Length

[Alex Wirth- Owner, Yellow Haus Bicycles]

>
> Hi David.  FYI I did some experimenting on my Susie and a 73 x 122 seemed 
> to  give good chainline and good (albeit tight/but acceptable IMO) 
> clearance with a 29 x2.8 tire.
>

(This is with a Silver crankset but if I'm not mistaken they spec the same 
BB length for a standard triple so they should be very close)

I think part of your answer depends on your tire choice...

Hope that helps! 

Cheers,

Alex in Rochester NY

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Re: [RBW] Susie Has a Question - Bottom Bracket Spindle Length

[kim young]

On my susie (53cm) I am using the 127x68 shimano b/b (but with a 73mm cup
on the left side).




On Tue, Aug 18, 2020 at 11:50 PM 'Hetchins52' via RBW Owners Bunch <
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> A question about bottom brackets for the Susie Longbolts:
>
> I got a Tange LN-3922 73 x 127 bottom bracket cartridge for my Susie. I
> wasn’t thoroughly reading the comments that mentioned this BB was
> recommended ... for a Rivendell Silver crank. However, I’m using an older
> SR XD2 “wide x low” 40 — 26 crankset (with chain guard). The 127 turns out
> to be way too wide for a good chain line with the SR.
>
> A 122mm BB (American Classic Sealed w/adjustable chainline) that I tried
> still puts the crank arms about 15mm (L) to 17mm (R) away from the chain
> stays.
> The 26 tooth inner has about 10mm clearance to the right chain stay. Tread
> or “Q” factor is about 179mm.
> I’m thinking I need the Tange 118 cartridge or the 115.5.
>
> https://www.benscycle.com/tange-ln-3922-bottom-bracket/bottom_bracket_tange-seiki_ln-3922_447/product
>
> Anyone have experience with using the XD2 crankset on the new Susie (or
> Gus)? My frame is a medium (53).
> What bottom bracket did you use?
>
> Thanks,
> David Lipsky
> Berkeley, CA
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