Re: [RBW] Re: Fixed gear dropouts and fenders

['Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I just deflate the tire. 

–Eric N


> On Sep 10, 2020, at 4:27 PM, Clayton Scott  wrote:
> 
> 
> New wheel with Phil Wood hub. Screws unscrew all the way and the wheel drops 
> out or do what Bones suggests.
> 
> Clayton Scott
> HBG, CA
> 
>> On Thursday, September 10, 2020 at 4:04:59 PM UTC-7, Erik Wright wrote:
>> Hey all,
>> 
>> Speaking to the Simple One / Quickbeam owners out there (or anyone else with 
>> this experience)- is there a trick to rear wheel removal with rear-facing 
>> horizontal dropouts when you have fenders mounted? I recently set up a 
>> Mercier Kilo WT as my city bike, which is basically a track bike with 
>> clearance for big tires and fenders. I'm running 700x35 tires with SKS P50 
>> (or 45?) fenders.
>> 
>> Once I got my fenders mounted, I realized I can't easily get the rear wheel 
>> out without deflating the tire. I know VO makes the "spring thing" for 
>> addressing fender alignment with forward-facing horizontal dropouts, but is 
>> there any trick to getting a good fender line with rear-facing dropouts 
>> while also being able to easily remove the wheel? Almost like the rear 
>> equivalent of a spring thing...
>> 
>> Erik, Philly
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[RBW] Re: Rambouillet as Tourer

[Wyatt]

Didn't weigh it, but yeah, I'd bet close to 30 pounds. I don't buy 
expensive ultralight weight stuff as a rule. Basic Eno hammock gear, plenty 
of food, camera, denatured alcohol and stove, change of clothes, lights, 
batteries, tools, spares, etc. Everything you'd need for 4-5 days on a 
summer tour aside from a couple of gas station runs. Rambo is the perfect 
for that kind of tour, imo.

On Thursday, September 10, 2020 at 8:49:34 PM UTC-5 dougP wrote:

> Wyatt:
>
> Do you know the weight of the load you were carrying in this picture?  It 
> looks substantial & camping gear tends to the heavy side.  I'm guessing 
> 20-30 lbs, including the bags.
>
> doug P
>
> On Thursday, September 10, 2020 at 2:08:52 PM UTC-7, Wyatt wrote:
>>
>> Rode the Natchez Trace not too long ago on my Rambo. ~450 miles, all 
>> paved, hammock camping. Loaded with Carradice Long Flap on the saddle and 
>> BXB Teardrop on the bars. The frame isn't right for racks, imo. Wouldn't 
>> want to load it much more than this, but it handled this load quite well. 
>> Easily enough extra room to pick up a six pack on the way the campsite at 
>> the end of day.
>>
>> These days, I've got it built up with 700x38 g-ones and a 1x9 drivetrain, 
>> which works great on zippy gravel day rides. Wouldn't want to tour off road 
>> on it, though. I think 38s are just a little too narrow for off road 
>> touring, imo, and the frame clearance is way too tight for anything larger.
>>
>> [image: Screen Shot 2020-09-10 at 4.07.25 PM.png][image: Screen Shot 
>> 2020-09-10 at 4.07.38 PM.png]
>>
>> On Thursday, September 10, 2020 at 10:36:47 AM UTC-5 mpc...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I actually saw mine sitting on CL in Vermont. It had been hanging in a 
>>> garage for 3 years due to an injury.  I went to test ride it out of 
>>> curiosity and was immediately sold by the ride of the Riv. 
>>>
>>> Currently has the original 27 Ruffy Tuffys, gonna try to squeeze 33s on 
>>> it this weekend and see how it handles more gravel riding and a heavier 
>>> load.
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, September 9, 2020 at 1:53:28 PM UTC-4 bjmi...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 By any chance, did you buy the one off eBay being sold by Walter? I 
 messaged him a few times about the bike and decided I needed something a 
 little more rugged, but man...that bike was very tempting.

 On Wednesday, September 9, 2020 at 10:00:23 AM UTC-5 mpc...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> I personally just purchased a Ram that was sitting in a garage looking 
> beautiful but not being used. I've been wondering how hard I can push it, 
> especially on dirt/gravel. So, Andy, thank you for your insight here. The 
> more I read the more I'm gleaning that this bike should NOT be too 
> heavily 
> loaded. 
>
> On Monday, September 7, 2020 at 6:48:46 AM UTC-4 Fullylugged wrote:
>
>> The Ram was intended for lightish touring and it does that well. 
>> Handling with any kind of front load depends a lot on the handlebar type 
>> and stem length used. I toured with the stock Nitto Noodles. I used a 
>> Mark's rack with P-Clamps and a small Baggins bag with up to 5 lbs in 
>> it. I 
>> also used a Duluth Candy roll handlebar bag for lightweight, want quick 
>> access to stuff, like lip protector, my phone, etc. Mostly, supplies 
>> went 
>> into 2 Nashbar panniers on a lightweight aluminum rear rack. That was to 
>> keep the center of gravity lower. Rain jacket and pants, helmet cover 
>> was 
>> in a large Baggins bag on top of the rack. I had a Keven's bag under the 
>> saddle with tire change stuff. The bike was a little rear heavy that 
>> way. 
>> handling was fine, but picking up and carrying was different. I have 
>> almost 
>> always ridden the same 32 mm Paselas that were original issue.
>>
>> These days, that bike is re-configured as my Townie/Sunday Cruiser 
>> but still has a rack in back and a Baggins bag on top.
>>
>> Bruce
>>
>>

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[RBW] Baby Bosco Bars!

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

Who wants to see ‘em? 

I didn’t know they existed and found them accidentally while shopping for 
Boscos for my littler son. What happened was...

1. I moved E, my 14 year old, up from his 45 Clem H to our 52 Clem H, which 
had the original Bosco Bullmoose bars. E hated the Bullmoose bars because 
they mess with his bag placement. He asked for his old Bosco bars back. Ok, 
fine...

2. My little son, L, (11) then got the 45 Clem H and had *no* bars. Upon 
perusing Rivendell’s website, I found BABY Boscos! They sounded pretty 
perfect to me - 49 cm instead of 52. I got him a 10 cm stem, which was all 
they had.

The bars were supposed to be for stokers on the Hubbah Hubbahs, but why 
can’t they work for a child? L is small for his age and when we rode with 
the 52 bars he was nervous when got to the posts at the start of the MUP. 
He really didn’t believe he could fit between them with his wide bars. “MY 
BIKE IS BIG-BONED!!!” he shrieked. He fit just fine of course, but the 52 
bars are a big jump from his flat bars. He felt wobbly and didn’t think he 
could stand up and pedal, which he loves to do. I think the Baby Boscos 
will help with that unsteady feeling.

I received and installed the Baby Boscos today, and they’re little. I don’t 
think they come back as far as regular Boscos do - the placement of the 
brake levers and shifters hits the curve of the bar. I’m including some 
photos so you can see how these bars fit a child.

We won’t have any in-depth reviews for you because L isn’t even committing 
to this Clem yet. It’s a little big for him (he can’t stand over the top 
tube) so he only goes on easy rides with it. When he goes on adventures 
down the mountain to meet his buddy, he takes his old Hotrock (in service 
to the Peterson family since 2013!). Regarding which bike he was taking, he 
said, “Mom, I can’t take that bike [the Clem]. Not for the aggressive 
biking I’m going to be doing.” 藍藍藍 Grant Petersen would be so 
discouraged. Let’s not tell him.

Anyway, L rode up and down our street, handed the Clem back to me and said, 
“I just like my Hotrock bars better. I wish we could put those on the 
Clem.”  So, there’s the first Baby Bosco bar review we have. I don’t 
think I’ll put that on Riv’s website.

Photos in next post because Google Groups won’t allow it here...
Leah

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Re: [RBW] Light compatilbity question for PV-8, 6V3W, Dynamo Hub Question

[Patrick Moore]

Roberta: The PV-8 ought to work just fine with the Toplight and with the
Edeluxe II; it's no different in its general power output than any other
current bicycle hub dynamo.

On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 7:58 PM Roberta  wrote:

> I have a PV-8, 6V3W Dynamo hub, with a nice lamp and good rear light on my
> A Homer Hilsen.  I'd like to change the front light and rear light to
> brighter lights, but I'm not going to the expense of changing the hub,
> should that be the "answer" to my question.
>
> For the rear, would the PV-8 work with a Toplight Line Plus rear light?
> I think this is it:
> https://www.rivbike.com/collections/lights/products/dyno-rack-light
>
> For the front, would it work with a SON Edelux II?  It's marked 6V-2,4W. I
> think this is it:
> https://www.rivbike.com/collections/lights/products/schmidt-edelux-ii-polished
>
> These lights are on my Joe Appaloosa and I like them, so would be fine
> just changing my current AHH setup to what I have on the Joe Appaloosa, but
> I know there is a different Dyno hub on that bike.
>
> Thanks,
> Roberta
>
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[RBW] Rear derailleur to shift 10-speed close-ratio cassette with Bar Cons

[Patrick Moore]

What do you recommend for a rear derailleur for the following preferences,
listed in order of importance:

1. Shifts nicely with Bar Cons (yes, the Suntour ones) over 10 properly
spaced 10-speed-specific cogs (using 11 speed chain, if that makes a
difference). The rings are 42/28, and I let the chain sag in the
small/smaller cogs because I don't use those combinations.
2. Shifts nicely over a close-ratio cassette: 13-25 (20-22-25).
3. Is reasonably durable and reliable.
4. Is silver of, if black, then not horribly ugly.

I've been shifting a 8-speed-era Dura Ace rd over the cassette, and it
works very well except that I belatedly discovered that the inner cage
plate rubs the spokes in the small ring/big cog combo. I want to use that
combination.

The Bar Cons pull the DA 7410 (I think) rd over the 10 cogs with about 90*
of movement, and there is perhaps more lever travel available.

I had a very nice Miche road rd about 5 years ago that might have worked,
but an errant stick broke it. I don't know if Miche road rds are still the
same.

Ideas?

Or perhaps someone has a nice condition, silver, 8-speed XT rd to sell?

Thanks.

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[RBW] Re: New faceplate stems by Nitto

[Ian Dickson]

I've been wanting a 0º stem for my Atlantis. I think 17º is the only thing 
that looks good with a horizontal top tube, but I think it looks weird and 
bad with a sloping top tube. I think these will look good.

On Thursday, September 10, 2020 at 8:06:07 PM UTC-6 Mike K. wrote:

> I know Velo-orange has one that is also 90º bend. I wish it came in the 
> traditional -17. There's just nothing like it.
>

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[RBW] Re: New faceplate stems by Nitto

[Mike K.]

I know Velo-orange has one that is also 90º bend. I wish it came in the 
traditional -17. There's just nothing like it.

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[RBW] Light compatilbity question for PV-8, 6V3W, Dynamo Hub Question

[Roberta]

I have a PV-8, 6V3W Dynamo hub, with a nice lamp and good rear light on my 
A Homer Hilsen.  I'd like to change the front light and rear light to 
brighter lights, but I'm not going to the expense of changing the hub, 
should that be the "answer" to my question.

For the rear, would the PV-8 work with a Toplight Line Plus rear light?   I 
think this is it: 
https://www.rivbike.com/collections/lights/products/dyno-rack-light

For the front, would it work with a SON Edelux II?  It's marked 6V-2,4W. I 
think this is it: 
https://www.rivbike.com/collections/lights/products/schmidt-edelux-ii-polished

These lights are on my Joe Appaloosa and I like them, so would be fine just 
changing my current AHH setup to what I have on the Joe Appaloosa, but I 
know there is a different Dyno hub on that bike.

Thanks,
Roberta


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[RBW] Re: Rambouillet as Tourer

[dougP]

Wyatt:

Do you know the weight of the load you were carrying in this picture?  It 
looks substantial & camping gear tends to the heavy side.  I'm guessing 
20-30 lbs, including the bags.

doug P

On Thursday, September 10, 2020 at 2:08:52 PM UTC-7, Wyatt wrote:
>
> Rode the Natchez Trace not too long ago on my Rambo. ~450 miles, all 
> paved, hammock camping. Loaded with Carradice Long Flap on the saddle and 
> BXB Teardrop on the bars. The frame isn't right for racks, imo. Wouldn't 
> want to load it much more than this, but it handled this load quite well. 
> Easily enough extra room to pick up a six pack on the way the campsite at 
> the end of day.
>
> These days, I've got it built up with 700x38 g-ones and a 1x9 drivetrain, 
> which works great on zippy gravel day rides. Wouldn't want to tour off road 
> on it, though. I think 38s are just a little too narrow for off road 
> touring, imo, and the frame clearance is way too tight for anything larger.
>
> [image: Screen Shot 2020-09-10 at 4.07.25 PM.png][image: Screen Shot 
> 2020-09-10 at 4.07.38 PM.png]
>
> On Thursday, September 10, 2020 at 10:36:47 AM UTC-5 mpc...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> I actually saw mine sitting on CL in Vermont. It had been hanging in a 
>> garage for 3 years due to an injury.  I went to test ride it out of 
>> curiosity and was immediately sold by the ride of the Riv. 
>>
>> Currently has the original 27 Ruffy Tuffys, gonna try to squeeze 33s on 
>> it this weekend and see how it handles more gravel riding and a heavier 
>> load.
>>
>> On Wednesday, September 9, 2020 at 1:53:28 PM UTC-4 bjmi...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> By any chance, did you buy the one off eBay being sold by Walter? I 
>>> messaged him a few times about the bike and decided I needed something a 
>>> little more rugged, but man...that bike was very tempting.
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, September 9, 2020 at 10:00:23 AM UTC-5 mpc...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I personally just purchased a Ram that was sitting in a garage looking 
 beautiful but not being used. I've been wondering how hard I can push it, 
 especially on dirt/gravel. So, Andy, thank you for your insight here. The 
 more I read the more I'm gleaning that this bike should NOT be too heavily 
 loaded. 

 On Monday, September 7, 2020 at 6:48:46 AM UTC-4 Fullylugged wrote:

> The Ram was intended for lightish touring and it does that well. 
> Handling with any kind of front load depends a lot on the handlebar type 
> and stem length used. I toured with the stock Nitto Noodles. I used a 
> Mark's rack with P-Clamps and a small Baggins bag with up to 5 lbs in it. 
> I 
> also used a Duluth Candy roll handlebar bag for lightweight, want quick 
> access to stuff, like lip protector, my phone, etc. Mostly, supplies went 
> into 2 Nashbar panniers on a lightweight aluminum rear rack. That was to 
> keep the center of gravity lower. Rain jacket and pants, helmet cover was 
> in a large Baggins bag on top of the rack. I had a Keven's bag under the 
> saddle with tire change stuff. The bike was a little rear heavy that way. 
> handling was fine, but picking up and carrying was different. I have 
> almost 
> always ridden the same 32 mm Paselas that were original issue.
>
> These days, that bike is re-configured as my Townie/Sunday Cruiser but 
> still has a rack in back and a Baggins bag on top.
>
> Bruce
>
>

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[RBW] Re: New faceplate stems by Nitto

['John Hawrylak' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Looks very nice, but why a 0° stem angle vs the 'standard' -17° angle???  
 Do they need more bar rise??   The -17° angle is plain sexy on a road bike.

John Hawrylak
Woodstown NJ

On Thursday, September 10, 2020 at 6:52:06 PM UTC-4, Mike K. wrote:
>
> Just saw in the latest newsletter that they’re finishing up some Nitto 
> faceplate stems so the weirdos like me can run new 31.8mm handlebars in 1” 
> threaded steerers. Anyone have more info than what was in this newsletter? 
> Maybe I just haven’t read the last few closely but this was the first I’d 
> heard of them and I’m very excited. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: New faceplate stems by Nitto

[Joe Bunik]

NICE ... still hoping someone can eventually do a 1" threadless / 31.8 clamp.

Yes, niche market but I'll take 2 pls 

On 9/10/20, 'Hetchins52' via RBW Owners Bunch
 wrote:
> Look at Will’s July 22nd RBW status email. I think he shows one that is
> brazed but not yet plated.
> Sounds like, from today’s email, that they will be in both 25.4 and 31.8.
> I’m excited about them, too. The many Rivendell upward and back swept bars
> will benefit from a better stem ‘foundation!’
> David Lipsky
> Berkeley, CA
>
> On Thursday, September 10, 2020 at 3:52:06 PM UTC-7, Mike K. wrote:
>>
>> Just saw in the latest newsletter that they’re finishing up some Nitto
>> faceplate stems so the weirdos like me can run new 31.8mm handlebars in 1”
>>
>> threaded steerers. Anyone have more info than what was in this newsletter?
>>
>> Maybe I just haven’t read the last few closely but this was the first I’d
>>
>> heard of them and I’m very excited.
>
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[RBW] Re: A few Cheviot sweaters available...

['Hetchins52' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Looks like only the Small are left, now.
I have a new Medium that I bought from a list member a few months back and 
didn’t wear (Nor did he). It’s too long for my 5’8” skinny frame.

If anyone wants it, I’ll ship USPS for $105.00.
Or, SF Bay Area pickup for $90.00.

Email: David dot Lipsky at Me dot com
Let me know if you need measurements (though there were some on the RBW 
website). Or photos.
David Lipsky
Berkeley

On Tuesday, September 8, 2020 at 6:04:34 AM UTC-7, Bob Lovejoy wrote:
>
> I noticed there were a few of the Cheviot sweaters back up on the site.  
> Small, medium and large I think.
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rambouillet as Tourer

[Patrick Moore]

My blue Ram handled moderate (up to !~30 lb) rear loads on a Tubus Fly
pretty well, fwiw.

On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 3:09 PM Wyatt  wrote:

> Rode the Natchez Trace not too long ago on my Rambo. ~450 miles, all
> paved, hammock camping. Loaded with Carradice Long Flap on the saddle and
> BXB Teardrop on the bars.* The frame isn't right for racks, imo. *Wouldn't
> want to load it much more than this, but it handled this load quite well.
> Easily enough extra room to pick up a six pack on the way the campsite at
> the end of day.
>
> ---
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[RBW] Re: New faceplate stems by Nitto

['Hetchins52' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Look at Will’s July 22nd RBW status email. I think he shows one that is 
brazed but not yet plated.
Sounds like, from today’s email, that they will be in both 25.4 and 31.8.
I’m excited about them, too. The many Rivendell upward and back swept bars 
will benefit from a better stem ‘foundation!’
David Lipsky
Berkeley, CA

On Thursday, September 10, 2020 at 3:52:06 PM UTC-7, Mike K. wrote:
>
> Just saw in the latest newsletter that they’re finishing up some Nitto 
> faceplate stems so the weirdos like me can run new 31.8mm handlebars in 1” 
> threaded steerers. Anyone have more info than what was in this newsletter? 
> Maybe I just haven’t read the last few closely but this was the first I’d 
> heard of them and I’m very excited. 

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Re: [RBW] Fixed gear dropouts and fenders

[Patrick Moore]

I have often truncated my rear fender so that it extends just far enough to
keep rear wheel spray off my backside and the saddle. The arc of the fender
is about (guessing) 130* instead of 180*. This leaves much of the rear of
the rear wheel free to move back and forth without interfering with the
fender, and let's you nonetheless have a regular arc in the remaining
fender.

Now, I've never used track ends, only long horizontal dropouts -- move
wheel forward instead of backward to remove, but perhaps my experience
might apply to yours.

I've wondered whether the Rinko modification for rear fenders might not do
double duty for removing fixed/ss rear wheels in track dropouts -- has
anyone tried this? (This means a relatively QR setup to break the rear
fender in half just aft of the bridge, for quick bike breakdown and
portaging.)


On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 5:05 PM Erik Wright  wrote:

> Hey all,
>
> Speaking to the Simple One / Quickbeam owners out there (or anyone else
> with this experience)- is there a trick to rear wheel removal with
> rear-facing horizontal dropouts when you have fenders mounted? I recently
> set up a Mercier Kilo WT as my city bike, which is basically a track bike
> with clearance for big tires and fenders. I'm running 700x35 tires with SKS
> P50 (or 45?) fenders.
>
> Once I got my fenders mounted, I realized I can't easily get the rear
> wheel out without deflating the tire. I know VO makes the "spring thing"
> for addressing fender alignment with forward-facing horizontal dropouts,
> but is there any trick to getting a good fender line with rear-facing
> dropouts while also being able to easily remove the wheel? Almost like the
> rear equivalent of a spring thing...
>
> Erik, Philly
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[RBW] Re: Fixed gear dropouts and fenders

[Clayton Scott]

New wheel with Phil Wood hub. Screws unscrew all the way and the wheel 
drops out or do what Bones suggests.

Clayton Scott
HBG, CA

On Thursday, September 10, 2020 at 4:04:59 PM UTC-7, Erik Wright wrote:
>
> Hey all,
>
> Speaking to the Simple One / Quickbeam owners out there (or anyone else 
> with this experience)- is there a trick to rear wheel removal with 
> rear-facing horizontal dropouts when you have fenders mounted? I recently 
> set up a Mercier Kilo WT as my city bike, which is basically a track bike 
> with clearance for big tires and fenders. I'm running 700x35 tires with SKS 
> P50 (or 45?) fenders.
>
> Once I got my fenders mounted, I realized I can't easily get the rear 
> wheel out without deflating the tire. I know VO makes the "spring thing" 
> for addressing fender alignment with forward-facing horizontal dropouts, 
> but is there any trick to getting a good fender line with rear-facing 
> dropouts while also being able to easily remove the wheel? Almost like the 
> rear equivalent of a spring thing...
>
> Erik, Philly
>

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[RBW] Re: Fixed gear dropouts and fenders

[Bones]

Did your fenders come with the quick release clips? I have SKS fenders on 
my Wabi and I just pull the struts right out of the clips, replace the 
wheel, and clip the struts back in. Hope that helps.

Bones 
On Thursday, September 10, 2020 at 7:04:59 PM UTC-4 Erik Wright wrote:

> Hey all,
>
> Speaking to the Simple One / Quickbeam owners out there (or anyone else 
> with this experience)- is there a trick to rear wheel removal with 
> rear-facing horizontal dropouts when you have fenders mounted? I recently 
> set up a Mercier Kilo WT as my city bike, which is basically a track bike 
> with clearance for big tires and fenders. I'm running 700x35 tires with SKS 
> P50 (or 45?) fenders.
>
> Once I got my fenders mounted, I realized I can't easily get the rear 
> wheel out without deflating the tire. I know VO makes the "spring thing" 
> for addressing fender alignment with forward-facing horizontal dropouts, 
> but is there any trick to getting a good fender line with rear-facing 
> dropouts while also being able to easily remove the wheel? Almost like the 
> rear equivalent of a spring thing...
>
> Erik, Philly
>

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[RBW] Fixed gear dropouts and fenders

[Erik Wright]

Hey all,

Speaking to the Simple One / Quickbeam owners out there (or anyone else 
with this experience)- is there a trick to rear wheel removal with 
rear-facing horizontal dropouts when you have fenders mounted? I recently 
set up a Mercier Kilo WT as my city bike, which is basically a track bike 
with clearance for big tires and fenders. I'm running 700x35 tires with SKS 
P50 (or 45?) fenders.

Once I got my fenders mounted, I realized I can't easily get the rear wheel 
out without deflating the tire. I know VO makes the "spring thing" for 
addressing fender alignment with forward-facing horizontal dropouts, but is 
there any trick to getting a good fender line with rear-facing dropouts 
while also being able to easily remove the wheel? Almost like the rear 
equivalent of a spring thing...

Erik, Philly

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[RBW] Re: 60 cm Quickbeam on CL Sacramento

[Clayton Scott]

It is on ebay now and is indeed a rebadged SimpleOne.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/193657006545?ViewItem==193657006545

CS, HBG, CA

On Thursday, September 10, 2020 at 10:55:46 AM UTC-7, Clayton Scott wrote:
>
> Almost looks like a re-badged SimpleOne.
>
> On Thursday, September 10, 2020 at 10:48:20 AM UTC-7, Clayton Scott wrote:
>>
>> Rear brazed canti hanger seems to be missing too and the brake bridge 
>> seems different as well with the tapped fender mount eyelet unless the 
>> orange version was different.
>>
>> Clayton Scott
>> HBG, CA
>>
>> On Thursday, September 10, 2020 at 8:36:39 AM UTC-7, Justin Drake wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> https://sacramento.craigslist.org/bik/d/citrus-heights-60cm-rivendell-quickbeam/7193041886.html
>>>
>>> Somebody should snatch it up before I do. 
>>>
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[RBW] New faceplate stems by Nitto

[Mike K.]

Just saw in the latest newsletter that they’re finishing up some Nitto 
faceplate stems so the weirdos like me can run new 31.8mm handlebars in 1” 
threaded steerers. Anyone have more info than what was in this newsletter? 
Maybe I just haven’t read the last few closely but this was the first I’d 
heard of them and I’m very excited. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Trade 50cm Atlantis for 51cm Sam

[Joel Stern]

Thanks Collin.

On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 5:42 PM Collin A  wrote:

> Oh no! What prompted the departure of the new Atlantis? Good luck with the
> trade, worst case you could always sell the frame and pickup a new Sam next
> month.
>
> Collin in Sacramento
>
> On Thursday, September 10, 2020 at 12:29:50 PM UTC-7 Joel wrote:
>
>> New, ridden 3 times 50cm Atlantis for 51cm Sam.
>>
>> The Atlantis has had  framesaver applied by me.
>>
>> I only need the frame and fork, headset, BB.
>>
>> We can discuss some parts if you’d like.
>>
>> Contact me off list @ jrstern11 (at) gmail.
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[RBW] Re: Trade 50cm Atlantis for 51cm Sam

[Collin A]

Oh no! What prompted the departure of the new Atlantis? Good luck with the 
trade, worst case you could always sell the frame and pickup a new Sam next 
month.

Collin in Sacramento

On Thursday, September 10, 2020 at 12:29:50 PM UTC-7 Joel wrote:

> New, ridden 3 times 50cm Atlantis for 51cm Sam.  
>
> The Atlantis has had  framesaver applied by me. 
>
> I only need the frame and fork, headset, BB.  
>
> We can discuss some parts if you’d like.  
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[RBW] Trade 50cm Atlantis for 51cm Sam

[Joel]

New, ridden 3 times 50cm Atlantis for 51cm Sam.  

The Atlantis has had  framesaver applied by me. 

I only need the frame and fork, headset, BB.  

We can discuss some parts if you’d like.  

Contact me off list @ jrstern11 (at) gmail. 

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[RBW] ISO Nitto B2522AA

[Brendan Willard]

Looking to try these Jitendra bars. Anyone?


>> Thanks,
>> -Brendan Willard
>> Owner/Winemaker
>> Phantômé Cellars
phantomecellars.com 

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[RBW] Re: 60 cm Quickbeam on CL Sacramento

[Clayton Scott]

Almost looks like a re-badged SimpleOne.

On Thursday, September 10, 2020 at 10:48:20 AM UTC-7, Clayton Scott wrote:
>
> Rear brazed canti hanger seems to be missing too and the brake bridge 
> seems different as well with the tapped fender mount eyelet unless the 
> orange version was different.
>
> Clayton Scott
> HBG, CA
>
> On Thursday, September 10, 2020 at 8:36:39 AM UTC-7, Justin Drake wrote:
>>
>>
>> https://sacramento.craigslist.org/bik/d/citrus-heights-60cm-rivendell-quickbeam/7193041886.html
>>
>> Somebody should snatch it up before I do. 
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: 60 cm Quickbeam on CL Sacramento

[Clayton Scott]

Rear brazed canti hanger seems to be missing too and the brake bridge seems 
different as well with the tapped fender mount eyelet unless the orange 
version was different.

Clayton Scott
HBG, CA

On Thursday, September 10, 2020 at 8:36:39 AM UTC-7, Justin Drake wrote:
>
>
> https://sacramento.craigslist.org/bik/d/citrus-heights-60cm-rivendell-quickbeam/7193041886.html
>
> Somebody should snatch it up before I do. 
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Re: [RBW] Re: 60 cm Quickbeam on CL Sacramento

[Trevor Bradshaw]

I wish he would ship..

On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 11:15 AM Matt B.  wrote:

>  That's not the original fork; might be worth asking about if you're a
> potential buyer.
>
> -Matt
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[RBW] Re: 60 cm Quickbeam on CL Sacramento

[Matt B.]

 That's not the original fork; might be worth asking about if you're a 
potential buyer.

-Matt

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[RBW] Re: Oct 2020 Sam Hillborne page

[Jeffrey S]

Black Star Bags 

 
in Portland, OR makes top tube pads to order!

On Tuesday, September 8, 2020 at 4:10:46 PM UTC-7 Michael Morrissey wrote:

> What top tube pad is that? Do you have a full housing cable on the back? I 
> know it’s a small detail but I want one on my Rivendell!
>
> On Tuesday, September 8, 2020 at 3:00:18 PM UTC-4 greenteadrinkers wrote:
>
>> My Sam in Southern Vermont yesterday...
>>
>> [image: IMG_2869.jpg][image: IMG_2866.jpg][image: IMG_2864.jpg]
>>
>> On Tuesday, September 8, 2020 at 7:47:36 AM UTC-4 bjmi...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> That's what I thought, too...
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lG_WZVS9SUY=515s
>>> 20 seconds into the video, Mark will demonstrate.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, September 8, 2020 at 12:41:08 AM UTC-5 Ian A wrote:
>>>
 Beautiful Sam! The front fender needs to sit higher at the fork crown 
 above the wheel. The metal tab can be bent or bent or a spacer used to 
 allow a touch more vertical adjustment. Then adjust the stays to get it 
 all 
 uniform ideally without inducing toe overlap.

 IanA 

>>>

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[RBW] 60 cm Quickbeam on CL Sacramento

[Justin Drake]

https://sacramento.craigslist.org/bik/d/citrus-heights-60cm-rivendell-quickbeam/7193041886.html

Somebody should snatch it up before I do. 

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[RBW] Re: Rambouillet as Tourer

[Michael Cyr]

I actually found one on Craigslist in Vermont - it had been sitting in a 
garage for 3 years. I was skeptical of the Riv appeal so went to test ride 
it out of curiosity more than anything - I was instantly sold. 

I'm currently running the original 27 Ruffy Tuffys which probably informs 
my skepticism of it being able to hand a substantial load.

Mike - that story sounds quite interesting. I'm generally curious to hear 
how much other folks have pushed their Rams as I start to push mine a bit. 

On Wednesday, September 9, 2020 at 1:53:28 PM UTC-4 bjmi...@gmail.com wrote:

> By any chance, did you buy the one off eBay being sold by Walter? I 
> messaged him a few times about the bike and decided I needed something a 
> little more rugged, but man...that bike was very tempting.
>
> On Wednesday, September 9, 2020 at 10:00:23 AM UTC-5 mpc...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> I personally just purchased a Ram that was sitting in a garage looking 
>> beautiful but not being used. I've been wondering how hard I can push it, 
>> especially on dirt/gravel. So, Andy, thank you for your insight here. The 
>> more I read the more I'm gleaning that this bike should NOT be too heavily 
>> loaded. 
>>
>> On Monday, September 7, 2020 at 6:48:46 AM UTC-4 Fullylugged wrote:
>>
>>> The Ram was intended for lightish touring and it does that well. 
>>> Handling with any kind of front load depends a lot on the handlebar type 
>>> and stem length used. I toured with the stock Nitto Noodles. I used a 
>>> Mark's rack with P-Clamps and a small Baggins bag with up to 5 lbs in it. I 
>>> also used a Duluth Candy roll handlebar bag for lightweight, want quick 
>>> access to stuff, like lip protector, my phone, etc. Mostly, supplies went 
>>> into 2 Nashbar panniers on a lightweight aluminum rear rack. That was to 
>>> keep the center of gravity lower. Rain jacket and pants, helmet cover was 
>>> in a large Baggins bag on top of the rack. I had a Keven's bag under the 
>>> saddle with tire change stuff. The bike was a little rear heavy that way. 
>>> handling was fine, but picking up and carrying was different. I have almost 
>>> always ridden the same 32 mm Paselas that were original issue.
>>>
>>> These days, that bike is re-configured as my Townie/Sunday Cruiser but 
>>> still has a rack in back and a Baggins bag on top.
>>>
>>> Bruce
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Rambouillet as Tourer

[Michael Cyr]

I actually saw mine sitting on CL in Vermont. It had been hanging in a 
garage for 3 years due to an injury.  I went to test ride it out of 
curiosity and was immediately sold by the ride of the Riv. 

Currently has the original 27 Ruffy Tuffys, gonna try to squeeze 33s on it 
this weekend and see how it handles more gravel riding and a heavier load.

On Wednesday, September 9, 2020 at 1:53:28 PM UTC-4 bjmi...@gmail.com wrote:

> By any chance, did you buy the one off eBay being sold by Walter? I 
> messaged him a few times about the bike and decided I needed something a 
> little more rugged, but man...that bike was very tempting.
>
> On Wednesday, September 9, 2020 at 10:00:23 AM UTC-5 mpc...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> I personally just purchased a Ram that was sitting in a garage looking 
>> beautiful but not being used. I've been wondering how hard I can push it, 
>> especially on dirt/gravel. So, Andy, thank you for your insight here. The 
>> more I read the more I'm gleaning that this bike should NOT be too heavily 
>> loaded. 
>>
>> On Monday, September 7, 2020 at 6:48:46 AM UTC-4 Fullylugged wrote:
>>
>>> The Ram was intended for lightish touring and it does that well. 
>>> Handling with any kind of front load depends a lot on the handlebar type 
>>> and stem length used. I toured with the stock Nitto Noodles. I used a 
>>> Mark's rack with P-Clamps and a small Baggins bag with up to 5 lbs in it. I 
>>> also used a Duluth Candy roll handlebar bag for lightweight, want quick 
>>> access to stuff, like lip protector, my phone, etc. Mostly, supplies went 
>>> into 2 Nashbar panniers on a lightweight aluminum rear rack. That was to 
>>> keep the center of gravity lower. Rain jacket and pants, helmet cover was 
>>> in a large Baggins bag on top of the rack. I had a Keven's bag under the 
>>> saddle with tire change stuff. The bike was a little rear heavy that way. 
>>> handling was fine, but picking up and carrying was different. I have almost 
>>> always ridden the same 32 mm Paselas that were original issue.
>>>
>>> These days, that bike is re-configured as my Townie/Sunday Cruiser but 
>>> still has a rack in back and a Baggins bag on top.
>>>
>>> Bruce
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: A few Cheviot sweaters available...

[Mjcork]

A little outside my budget as a grad student...if anyone has any used wool 
sweaters (S or M) laying around for rehoming...I am looking. 

On Tuesday, September 8, 2020 at 9:35:02 AM UTC-6 bjmi...@gmail.com wrote:

> Yeah... I enjoy beer too much to be slim! I’ll pass and hope for some xl 
> sweaters later.
>
> On Tuesday, September 8, 2020 at 8:39:18 AM UTC-5 boblo...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Ben,
>>
>> Just my take, and possibly different than others...
>>
>> I think the more slim you are the more the sweaters run true to size.  
>> That said, being not as slim as I would like, I sized up and that approach 
>> ended up working really well for me (from an XL to 2XL).  I normally wear 
>> XL shirts and t-shirts.
>>
>> Only you can decide where you fall on the slim scale, or how you prefer 
>> things to fit, so advice can only go so far.  That said, the sweaters are 
>> beautiful, warm and of real quality.
>>
>> Bob
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, September 8, 2020 at 8:21:23 AM UTC-5, Ben Mihovk wrote:
>>>
>>> Seriously tempted by a large. Anyone have any insights on sizing? I go 
>>> between large and xl t-shirts, wear large in a universal sized button up. 
>>> Do these run true, small, large? Any thoughts would help!
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>> Ben
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: WTT: Bags & rack, grid-grey for olive. (Possibly WTB/FS)

[iamkeith]

Clarification:  I said I'd entertain a Bagabond bag instead of the 
Happisack.  I meant Bagboy, and actually think I'd prefer it.  I will trade 
straight across, even though the Happisack costs more.

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[RBW] Re: FS: Rivendell Atlantis 54.5 Frame/Fork + partial build - $1400

['jinxed' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Atlantis frame Pending! 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Susie 53 - 56 Sizing Help Please!

[kim young]

Thanks for putting up all the info David.
Your bike sounds cool!

On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 12:48 AM 'Hetchins52' via RBW Owners Bunch <
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Here's a picture of some cheap Shimano V-brakes (also 108 mm-ish) on the
> rear of my 53cm Susie. Using Schwalbe G-One AllRound 650 x 70 (2.80") on
> Atlas rims. Very close (~5mm) to the noodle's dirt boot; About 18 mm
> clearance to the seat stay bridge of the frame.
>
> The front is using Avid "Ultimate" cantilevers so no clearance issue for
> the straddle cable but maybe 9 mm to the bottom of the fork crown. I tried
> the 70 mm AllRound on Atlas rims but had about 3.5 mm clearance and decided
> against using it. The second picture shows a 650 x 60 mm Schwalbe G-One
> Speed.
>
> Vince at Rivendell wrote this last month:
>
> *"I think part of the issue is the Atlas rims. The brake posts on the
> Hillibikes are set wider apart than usual and require a rim that's 30mm or
> more wide."*
>
> *"I just checked a 650B Susie with a Cliffhanger rim and the same G-One
> you have. The vertical clearance is 6mm. We haven't had any trouble with
> the demo bikes."*
>
> David
> Berkeley
>
> On Wednesday, September 9, 2020 at 11:57:53 AM UTC-7, Flowerfang wrote:
>>
>> :) Thanks mark.
>> Does seems pretty tight with the 11Os - even tho those arms are so long
>> already,
>> .
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
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[RBW] Re: Oct 2020 Sam Hillborne page

[greenteadrinkers]

Hi Ash! Thanks! Indeed it goes almost everywhere I'd like it to. I'm 
surrounded by extensive foot trails, which I'd need close to 3" tires to 
ride, but for everything else, the Sam for me is perfect.

The tires are Bruce Gordon Rock n' Road, 
http://www.bgcycles.com/new-page-24 they are set up tubeless. I really love 
these tires, I've had my eye on RnR's for a long time, finally have a frame 
set that can fit them. Should have enough room to fit fenders as well.

On another note, oddly, after or during that ride , the bolts on the V/O 
crank set came loose, one actually fell off! Gotta learn to make sure to 
check everything before going out!

On Thursday, September 10, 2020 at 12:59:34 AM UTC-4 Ash wrote:

> That's an excellent setup!  This Sam can do anything/go anywhere!
>
> Question: which tires are those?  This's probably the widest tires I've 
> seen on a Sam.
>
> On Tuesday, 8 September 2020 at 12:00:18 UTC-7 greenteadrinkers wrote:
>
>> My Sam in Southern Vermont yesterday...
>>
>> [image: IMG_2869.jpg][image: IMG_2866.jpg][image: IMG_2864.jpg]
>>
>> On Tuesday, September 8, 2020 at 7:47:36 AM UTC-4 bjmi...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> That's what I thought, too...
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lG_WZVS9SUY=515s
>>> 20 seconds into the video, Mark will demonstrate.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, September 8, 2020 at 12:41:08 AM UTC-5 Ian A wrote:
>>>
 Beautiful Sam! The front fender needs to sit higher at the fork crown 
 above the wheel. The metal tab can be bent or bent or a spacer used to 
 allow a touch more vertical adjustment. Then adjust the stays to get it 
 all 
 uniform ideally without inducing toe overlap.

 IanA 

>>>

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[RBW] Re: Susie 53 - 56 Sizing Help Please!

[☆ Paul ☆]

Hello Ash.

This is so helpful. Thank you!

On Thursday, September 10, 2020 at 8:27:02 AM UTC-4 Ash wrote:

> Paul,
>
> As for your question on Susie's turning characteristics given how far out 
> the front wheel is, I have not noticed any problem.  Generally it feels so 
> stable, I feel the bike is doing the steering for me.  If Elon Musk were to 
> market this bike, he'd definitely claim it came with autopilot feature :)
>
> 3-4 weeks ago I rode 100k with ~15 lbs weight in Wald's basket in the 
> front. One small issue I noticed happens at tight corners on trails.  It 
> requires a tad  bit more maneuvering effort  than regular (the 50cm MIT 
> Atlantis I had owned for instance) bikes.  It probably has more to do with 
> overall wheelbase than front-center or fork-rake.   That small 
> inconvenience gets you a ton extra ride comfort in return.  The extra bend 
> (or maybe the overall angle contributes too) in the fork makes it sort of 
> dance when you go over gravels and other road imperfections.  I think it 
> acts like a micro shock-absorber.  The feeling is simply delightful.  It 
> makes me often avoid the smooth side of the trail and ride on the bumpy 
> side, if available.
>
> Cheers,
> Ash
> On Wednesday, 9 September 2020 at 17:59:06 UTC-7 ☆ Paul ☆ wrote:
>
>> Hello Ash
>>
>>
>> Thank you for your note. I really appreciate the advice and photos.
>>
>>
>> Yes, I also concluded that the 53 is right for me, and it does seem to 
>> measure super-long. I like Billie Bars, which come way back already, so a 
>> short-ish stem should work just fine for me. Do you find that the bike 
>> turns funny at all up front give how far that front wheel is out there in 
>> front of you? IT seems like a pretty slack angle!
>>
>>
>> Sorry to see the orange skies! I live in Vermont but grew up in Berkeley, 
>> and get reports from my mom. Hope it clears up soon!!
>>
>>
>> Best,
>>
>>
>> Paul
>>
>> On Wednesday, September 9, 2020 at 8:08:11 PM UTC-4, Ash wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Hey Paul,
>>>
>>> It's been a busy day I have not had a chance to catch up with this 
>>> thread.  Regardless, thought I'd share couple of pictures and my two cents.
>>>
>>>
>>> https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/16-STunfWYCEndP2nIAWrJ6RRfnCyYYm5?usp=sharing
>>>
>>> I'm 5'7" with 81cm PBH.  First I picked up a 53cm Wolbis.  After 
>>> attaching wheels, pedals and few stem/handlebar combos, I quickly realized 
>>> that it was too big for me.  It is one loong bike, in the first place. I've 
>>> had 51cm Appaloosa before,  but this one felt even longer. This bike runs 
>>> large in general, IMO.  I'm always grateful for Riv's top notch customer 
>>> service.  They happily exchanged the frame for a 50cm version, which fits 
>>> me much better.  
>>>
>>> As you can see in the pic, even with the small size, I have to use a 
>>> relatively short reach stem to get full upright riding position (even with 
>>> Bosco!).   
>>>
>>> Bottom line, I think 53cm would work better for you.  If the handlebar 
>>> is too close, you have an option to use a longer stem.  But if the frame 
>>> happens to be on the longer side, then there's no  easy/clean option to 
>>> bring the handlebar to a comfortable position.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Ash
>>>
>>> PS:  Those pictures were taken around 3pm today.  No retro/sepia filter 
>>> used.  The light has been orange-ish and gloomy all day.  My kid took the 
>>> picture, looks like he was having a hard time focusing the camera, due to 
>>> low light.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, 8 September 2020 at 17:04:05 UTC-7 ☆ Paul ☆ wrote:
>>>
 Hey Y'all.

 I spoke with Grant this afternoon, who told me that at 5'10 with 75.5 
 PBH I could go for either a M (53) or or L (56) Susie, and they'd both 
 work 
 for me. 

 I'd really prefer a 53 because of the 650B wheels, but want to double 
 check the fit before I pre-order. My 5'7" wife just got her 52 Clem L, and 
 I can ride it too but the top of the head tube is a bit low. It would 
 require a maxed out tall stem to get the bars up where I like them.

 Does anyone have a 53 Susie out there? How tall are you and how is it 
 working for you? 

 Can you upload a photo?

 Also if anyone can help: I'm trying to sort out what measurement to ask 
 for that would give me the top of the head tube height vs. top of seat 
 tube 
 height, so I can make sure the head tube is longer than on the Clem L, and 
 that I don't have to have a crazy high stem on the Susie if I buy the 53.

 Hope I'm making sense here.

 Thanks all!

 

 Paul

>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Susie 53 - 56 Sizing Help Please!

[Paul Budnitz]

Hello Ash.

This is so helpful. Thank you!!!

Gonna hunt up a 53!

☆ Paul

SUPERPLASTIC \\ CEO \\ superplastic.co \\  Janky & Guggimon
On Sep 10, 2020, 8:27 AM -0400, Ash , wrote:
> Paul,
>
> As for your question on Susie's turning characteristics given how far out the 
> front wheel is, I have not noticed any problem.  Generally it feels so 
> stable, I feel the bike is doing the steering for me.  If Elon Musk were to 
> market this bike, he'd definitely claim it came with autopilot feature :)
>
> 3-4 weeks ago I rode 100k with ~15 lbs weight in Wald's basket in the front. 
> One small issue I noticed happens at tight corners on trails.  It requires a 
> tad  bit more maneuvering effort  than regular (the 50cm MIT Atlantis I had 
> owned for instance) bikes.  It probably has more to do with overall wheelbase 
> than front-center or fork-rake.   That small inconvenience gets you a ton 
> extra ride comfort in return.  The extra bend (or maybe the overall angle 
> contributes too) in the fork makes it sort of dance when you go over gravels 
> and other road imperfections.  I think it acts like a micro shock-absorber.  
> The feeling is simply delightful.  It makes me often avoid the smooth side of 
> the trail and ride on the bumpy side, if available.
>
> Cheers,
> Ash
> > On Wednesday, 9 September 2020 at 17:59:06 UTC-7 ☆ Paul ☆ wrote:
> > > Hello Ash
> > >
> > > Thank you for your note. I really appreciate the advice and photos.
> > >
> > > Yes, I also concluded that the 53 is right for me, and it does seem to 
> > > measure super-long. I like Billie Bars, which come way back already, so a 
> > > short-ish stem should work just fine for me. Do you find that the bike 
> > > turns funny at all up front give how far that front wheel is out there in 
> > > front of you? IT seems like a pretty slack angle!
> > >
> > > Sorry to see the orange skies! I live in Vermont but grew up in Berkeley, 
> > > and get reports from my mom. Hope it clears up soon!!
> > >
> > > Best,
> > >
> > > Paul
> > >
> > > On Wednesday, September 9, 2020 at 8:08:11 PM UTC-4, Ash wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hey Paul,
> > > >
> > > > It's been a busy day I have not had a chance to catch up with this 
> > > > thread.  Regardless, thought I'd share couple of pictures and my two 
> > > > cents.
> > > >
> > > > https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/16-STunfWYCEndP2nIAWrJ6RRfnCyYYm5?usp=sharing
> > > >
> > > > I'm 5'7" with 81cm PBH.  First I picked up a 53cm Wolbis.  After 
> > > > attaching wheels, pedals and few stem/handlebar combos, I quickly 
> > > > realized that it was too big for me.  It is one loong bike, in the 
> > > > first place. I've had 51cm Appaloosa before,  but this one felt even 
> > > > longer. This bike runs large in general, IMO.  I'm always grateful for 
> > > > Riv's top notch customer service.  They happily exchanged the frame for 
> > > > a 50cm version, which fits me much better.
> > > >
> > > > As you can see in the pic, even with the small size, I have to use a 
> > > > relatively short reach stem to get full upright riding position (even 
> > > > with Bosco!).
> > > >
> > > > Bottom line, I think 53cm would work better for you.  If the handlebar 
> > > > is too close, you have an option to use a longer stem.  But if the 
> > > > frame happens to be on the longer side, then there's no  easy/clean 
> > > > option to bring the handlebar to a comfortable position.
> > > >
> > > > Cheers,
> > > > Ash
> > > >
> > > > PS:  Those pictures were taken around 3pm today.  No retro/sepia filter 
> > > > used.  The light has been orange-ish and gloomy all day.  My kid took 
> > > > the picture, looks like he was having a hard time focusing the camera, 
> > > > due to low light.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > On Tuesday, 8 September 2020 at 17:04:05 UTC-7 ☆ Paul ☆ wrote:
> > > > > > Hey Y'all.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I spoke with Grant this afternoon, who told me that at 5'10 with 
> > > > > > 75.5 PBH I could go for either a M (53) or or L (56) Susie, and 
> > > > > > they'd both work for me.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I'd really prefer a 53 because of the 650B wheels, but want to 
> > > > > > double check the fit before I pre-order. My 5'7" wife just got her 
> > > > > > 52 Clem L, and I can ride it too but the top of the head tube is a 
> > > > > > bit low. It would require a maxed out tall stem to get the bars up 
> > > > > > where I like them.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Does anyone have a 53 Susie out there? How tall are you and how is 
> > > > > > it working for you?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Can you upload a photo?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Also if anyone can help: I'm trying to sort out what measurement to 
> > > > > > ask for that would give me the top of the head tube height vs. top 
> > > > > > of seat tube height, so I can make sure the head tube is longer 
> > > > > > than on the Clem L, and that I don't have to have a crazy high stem 
> > > > > > on the Susie if I buy the 53.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hope I'm making sense here.
> > 

[RBW] Re: FS :: Brooks B.17 Ti Special GREEN

[S. Greco]

Hey David,

I'm interested in this saddle. I don't see an option to view your email or 
contact you directly. 
Let me know if it is still available.

On Sunday, August 2, 2020 at 3:05:17 PM UTC-4 David Hallerman wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Seeing Joe B.'s listing of a Brooks B.17 in green with titanium rails 
> reminds me that I still have the exact same saddle also looking for a 
> new home.
>
> Actually, my saddle is not exactly the same, since the one for sale now 
> is near-new with only about 50 miles use. It's been treated with 
> Proofide, top and bottom, in pristine condition, and it's ready for the 
> imprint of your butt.
>
> It's a difficult color to see in photos; call it a dark British racing 
> green kind of green. A photo is attached.
>
> Call it $185, plus shipping.
>
> If you're interested, contact me off-list
>
> Dave
> +
> Hudson Valley NY
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Susie 53 - 56 Sizing Help Please!

[Ash]

Paul,

As for your question on Susie's turning characteristics given how far out 
the front wheel is, I have not noticed any problem.  Generally it feels so 
stable, I feel the bike is doing the steering for me.  If Elon Musk were to 
market this bike, he'd definitely claim it came with autopilot feature :)

3-4 weeks ago I rode 100k with ~15 lbs weight in Wald's basket in the 
front. One small issue I noticed happens at tight corners on trails.  It 
requires a tad  bit more maneuvering effort  than regular (the 50cm MIT 
Atlantis I had owned for instance) bikes.  It probably has more to do with 
overall wheelbase than front-center or fork-rake.   That small 
inconvenience gets you a ton extra ride comfort in return.  The extra bend 
(or maybe the overall angle contributes too) in the fork makes it sort of 
dance when you go over gravels and other road imperfections.  I think it 
acts like a micro shock-absorber.  The feeling is simply delightful.  It 
makes me often avoid the smooth side of the trail and ride on the bumpy 
side, if available.

Cheers,
Ash
On Wednesday, 9 September 2020 at 17:59:06 UTC-7 ☆ Paul ☆ wrote:

> Hello Ash
>
>
> Thank you for your note. I really appreciate the advice and photos.
>
>
> Yes, I also concluded that the 53 is right for me, and it does seem to 
> measure super-long. I like Billie Bars, which come way back already, so a 
> short-ish stem should work just fine for me. Do you find that the bike 
> turns funny at all up front give how far that front wheel is out there in 
> front of you? IT seems like a pretty slack angle!
>
>
> Sorry to see the orange skies! I live in Vermont but grew up in Berkeley, 
> and get reports from my mom. Hope it clears up soon!!
>
>
> Best,
>
>
> Paul
>
> On Wednesday, September 9, 2020 at 8:08:11 PM UTC-4, Ash wrote:
>>
>>
>> Hey Paul,
>>
>> It's been a busy day I have not had a chance to catch up with this 
>> thread.  Regardless, thought I'd share couple of pictures and my two cents.
>>
>>
>> https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/16-STunfWYCEndP2nIAWrJ6RRfnCyYYm5?usp=sharing
>>
>> I'm 5'7" with 81cm PBH.  First I picked up a 53cm Wolbis.  After 
>> attaching wheels, pedals and few stem/handlebar combos, I quickly realized 
>> that it was too big for me.  It is one loong bike, in the first place. I've 
>> had 51cm Appaloosa before,  but this one felt even longer. This bike runs 
>> large in general, IMO.  I'm always grateful for Riv's top notch customer 
>> service.  They happily exchanged the frame for a 50cm version, which fits 
>> me much better.  
>>
>> As you can see in the pic, even with the small size, I have to use a 
>> relatively short reach stem to get full upright riding position (even with 
>> Bosco!).   
>>
>> Bottom line, I think 53cm would work better for you.  If the handlebar is 
>> too close, you have an option to use a longer stem.  But if the frame 
>> happens to be on the longer side, then there's no  easy/clean option to 
>> bring the handlebar to a comfortable position.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Ash
>>
>> PS:  Those pictures were taken around 3pm today.  No retro/sepia filter 
>> used.  The light has been orange-ish and gloomy all day.  My kid took the 
>> picture, looks like he was having a hard time focusing the camera, due to 
>> low light.
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, 8 September 2020 at 17:04:05 UTC-7 ☆ Paul ☆ wrote:
>>
>>> Hey Y'all.
>>>
>>> I spoke with Grant this afternoon, who told me that at 5'10 with 75.5 
>>> PBH I could go for either a M (53) or or L (56) Susie, and they'd both work 
>>> for me. 
>>>
>>> I'd really prefer a 53 because of the 650B wheels, but want to double 
>>> check the fit before I pre-order. My 5'7" wife just got her 52 Clem L, and 
>>> I can ride it too but the top of the head tube is a bit low. It would 
>>> require a maxed out tall stem to get the bars up where I like them.
>>>
>>> Does anyone have a 53 Susie out there? How tall are you and how is it 
>>> working for you? 
>>>
>>> Can you upload a photo?
>>>
>>> Also if anyone can help: I'm trying to sort out what measurement to ask 
>>> for that would give me the top of the head tube height vs. top of seat tube 
>>> height, so I can make sure the head tube is longer than on the Clem L, and 
>>> that I don't have to have a crazy high stem on the Susie if I buy the 53.
>>>
>>> Hope I'm making sense here.
>>>
>>> Thanks all!
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> Paul
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: PSA: Cheap fenders killed my bike.

[Ash]

Steel is real!!!

Come to think of it, the head tube is the only part of the bike frame that 
has inherent fail-safe feature - ie the steerer rube.   Is a very, very, 
very, very, very, very unlikely scenario the head tube breaks or something, 
the steerer tube will hold things together.  The bike may feel wobbly but 
it won't crash.

Congrats on your new bike!

On Thursday, 10 September 2020 at 01:34:00 UTC-7 brendonoid wrote:

> So I put the bike back together.
> I spent a long time considering options about straightening the frame and 
> the headtube. I learned a lot about straightening steel and measuring 
> alignments and all sorts of stuff. Quite a fun journey. In the end the risk 
> of causing further damage to fix something that might not really need 
> fixing became a bit of a debilitating pros versus cons stand off. So I did 
> nothing.
>
> Then Rivendell went and listed those No Frame Prep specials and yeah there 
> was a single top tube 57cm orange Appaloosa so whoops the perfect bike and 
> I bought it.
>
> ANYWAY, I slapped some quality black enamel on the replacement fork and 
> bing bang boom The Silver Stallion is back on the road.
>
> You can see the headset variance is still there at the top but crucially 
> the fork crown race is perfectly perpendicular so my suspicion is that this 
> will work fine for many years. I will check the bearing wear after 500kms 
> or so to see how things are going but I suspect it will be fine. The bike 
> still rides great and straight. Thanks again for everyones help and calming 
> words in my hour of distress.
>
> [image: appabacktogether.jpg][image: appaheadsetangle.jpg][image: 
> appaforkcrown.jpg]
>
> PS. Someone asked in a post I previously missed about the Volvo's period 
> correct bicycle carrier for that is indeed what those tubes are on the 
> trailer hitch are, well spotted!
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Rambouillet as Tourer

[ascpgh]

Tom, here's some shots of my new Coast rando. I really did extract and list 
all the good things about my Rambouillet in my conversations with Johnny as 
well as describe its shortcomings to my actual uses. Reality was really 
important, you cannot have illusions of grandeur when planning a custom 
bike. I'm not going to be cycle touring the Gavia. We have two college 
graduates with us in quarantine, one we've been mentoring for four years 
and is just starting her career, the other working to take a new direction 
from what was lost to the pandemic, so I've got my non-vocational hands 
busy without imagining myself out on the endless road. 

I Provided Johnny comprehensive dimensions of my Rambouillet (with which he 
was very familiar), as I have ridden it for years and video my wife took of 
me riding it on level and uphill grades. I also provided specs on my 
commuter (Disc Trucker) and my riding summaries of each bike. I shared that 
my Carradice Nelson Longflap was my ideal volume luggage. All that along 
with the 650B wheels (sweet spot for tubeless, cushy ride on rough 
surfaces, wheels not noticeably resistant to accelerating) yielded his 
solution.

Here's a link to a shared album of my bike and some of the influencing 
process: https://photos.app.goo.gl/a3EPAQ4akrDqDGoF9



Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh 


On Wednesday, September 9, 2020 at 1:17:26 PM UTC-4, Thomas B wrote:
>
> Hi Andy,
>
> Thanks for sharing your experience - would you mind sharing pictures of 
> the Coast?
>
> Tom
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Monday, September 7, 2020 at 2:45:13 AM UTC-7, ascpgh wrote:
>>
>> I rode my Rambouillet across the country on the Adventure Cycling 
>> Trans-Am route, Western Express route. Not self-supported. After the trip I 
>> wanted a bike like the Rambouillet, not like a Long Haul Trucker. The 
>> latter, without load, is like driving around in an F-250 pickup with 
>> nothing in it and I was happy to suffer some austerity of wardrobe options 
>> and a lot of hand washing on the trip to get it.  
>>
>> I used a Carradice Nelson Longflap on the long credit card tour and 
>> actually talked the others out of a self-supported trip because everyone 
>> would need a new bike. They didn't understand how much stuff we'd have to 
>> carry along every day and how much water volume above that the deserts of 
>> Utah were going to dictate That ride is completely different schlep if 
>> self-supporting. 
>>
>> The reasonable limit on my large (64cm) Ram was 20 pounds in the saddle 
>> bag (which is more than Grant wrote) and I could feel some poor handling at 
>> the top of that range since the load is up high. I still wonder how I 
>> carried enough in that 15 liters of space to account for all the weather 
>> and mechanical support. 
>>
>> I did enjoy a shower, bed and AC in the locations along the route we 
>> stayed because even those little places campsites were outside of town and 
>> half the fun of the route was knowing that you rolling into town on a bike 
>> was often the high point of peoples' day. Eating in a diner with them for 
>> dinner and breakfast provided conversations that kept the group fresh and 
>> gave us insight such as we hoped to as we crossed the country.
>>
>> I have added a Velo Orange rando bag in the front to gain more capacity 
>> for a short trip in potentially questionable weather on the 2012 Riv Rally 
>> East. I have to say that while I managed the load it was not a graceful 
>> fitment. I can't say that low front bags would be bad but it's be a shape 
>> to dampen that fork's liveliness by bridging it with a rack and loading it 
>> up. The lack of braze-ons of that bike is intentional.
>>
>> I learned a lot about riding my Ram with loads within its design 
>> intention and then beyond. I have that shorter experience in overload and I 
>> have ridden it extensively on the GAP. While it might have been designed to 
>> ride all surfaces, that takes it to 85% of the design limit. Its riding 
>> weight (it, me and cargo) are too rear biased and require rear tire 
>> pressure to be high enough (max 32 under fenders) to avoid pinch flats/rim 
>> dings on longer rides. It just wore me out at times, either by the duration 
>> of jostling on a hard tire or the time spend changing tubes from flats when 
>> more comfortable. 
>>
>> My years learning and riding my Rambouillet  helped me solidify the likes 
>> and dislikes I brought together in a new bike. I still do not want to ride 
>> a self-supported touring bike empty, which would be 90%+ of its time so my 
>> preference was to move the 20-25# load to the front (with low trail) to 
>> balance the wheels' loads allowing more even tire pressure, fewer rim dings 
>> and comfortable ride. I chose 650b x 42 tubeless to lower that flatting 
>> frequency. So I have that new bike, a Coast rando, and it does all that I 
>> wanted on day one. I still have the Rambouillet and am about to ride it to 
>> work in a few minutes. I wouldn't change a 

[RBW] Re: Susie 53 - 56 Sizing Help Please!

['Hetchins52' via RBW Owners Bunch]

It is longer than the not-Hillibikes! For comparison, I have Ash's original 
51 MIT Appaloosa. Susie has a longer wheel base than the JoeA, along with 
longer other dimensions:

*  dimensions*

*Susie Longbolts* 53

*Joe Appaloosa* 51 cm

front center

72 cm

62 cm

rear chain stay to BB 

54 cm

52.5 cm

wheelbase

125 cm = 49.2”

> 113 cm = 44.5”

David
Berkeley

On Wednesday, September 9, 2020 at 5:08:11 PM UTC-7, Ash wrote:
>
> I'm 5'7" with 81cm PBH.  First I picked up a 53cm Wolbis.  After attaching 
> wheels, pedals and few stem/handlebar combos, I quickly realized that it 
> was too big for me.  It is one loong bike, in the first place. I've had 
> 51cm Appaloosa before,  but this one felt even longer. This bike runs large 
> in general, IMO.  I'm always grateful for Riv's top notch customer service. 
>  
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Susie 53 - 56 Sizing Help Please!

['Hetchins52' via RBW Owners Bunch]

*Measure from center of seat tube to center of head tube, if that makes 
sense.*
I get a little longer measurement, in my very cramped basement workshop, so 
bike may not have been quite level. Actually its not likely as the front 
tire is a 650 x 60 (2.35") G-One and the rear is a 650 x 70 (2.80")!
I get:  64.7 cm

David

On Wednesday, September 9, 2020 at 8:07:33 AM UTC-7, ☆ Paul ☆ wrote:
>
> Here's an image of the other measurement, by the way, which I think you 
> did and came out 62.5cm.  

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Re: [RBW] Re: Susie 53 - 56 Sizing Help Please!

['Hetchins52' via RBW Owners Bunch]

*Please measure from the center of the front axel in a straight line to the 
top of headset on top of the the top tube.* 
My 53 measures 65.2 cm to top of adjustable race from the hub's axle. (So, 
no spacer or locknut.)

David Lipsky

On Wednesday, September 9, 2020 at 8:01:36 AM UTC-7, ☆ Paul ☆ wrote:
>
> ..
> Just to make sure we're measuring the same thing for the 
> front-of-bike-measurement:
>
> Please measure from the center of the front axel in a straight line to the 
> top of headset on top of the the top tube. Like the blue line in the image 
> attached!!! 
>

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