Re: [RBW] Christmas Clementine

[Patrick Moore]

Wow, 75*. I was talking to a client in Chicago this morning who said that
since it was his birthday he was going to take advantage of the (also) 75*
forecast temperature (second time in his 50-something lifetime) and take
his kids out golfing. Meanwhile, here in southerly ABQ, NM, the high was
barely 50* and that quickly slipped back to the upper 40s with gusty winds;
2 light wool layers over the cotton shirt when I rode to the PO in the
early afternoon.

Patrick Moore, who often talks to clients in pyjamas (tape over laptop
camera) because most are 2 hours ahead of ABQ, NM

On Mon, Nov 9, 2020 at 4:09 PM 'thalasin' via RBW Owners Bunch <
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> 75 degrees in November in Northern Michigan today and your picture jolted
> me back to the reality that we're just over 2 weeks away from Thanksgiving!
> What a lovely scene to ease me into a holiday state of mind. Thank you.
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[RBW] Re: Recommendations for Front Der for Clem H?

[Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY]

How wide is your bottom bracket? You could widen a smidge and it could 
solve the clearance problem, and that would increase your bottom bracket 
collection without adding to your front derailer collection. I have a 103 
that's certainly too narrow a bottom bracket, and sorry, no obvious answer 
about the derailleur, but them's complicated.
-Kai

On Monday, November 9, 2020 at 10:21:06 PM UTC-5 Ray wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> I bought a used Clem H frame from the group a couple months ago and have 
> been patiently collecting parts to set it up. I thought I was all finished 
> and had it put together when I found that all of the front derailleurs in 
> my parts bin are too long and rub the big chainring when shifting. In the 
> picture attached you can see that I have it as high as I can raise it 
> without covering the water bottle boss, but it doesn't leave enough space 
> for the 46t chainring. 
>
> Is anyone running a triple on their Clem and can recommend a FD? I am not 
> picky at all when it comes to the front derailleur but just want to make 
> sure it fits. 
>
> Thanks for your help!
> Ray
>

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[RBW] Re: Berthoud Aspin - To cutout, or not to cutout?

[Nick Payne]

Another option if you want an open leather saddle is the Rivet Pearl: 
https://rivetcycleworks.com/product/the-pearl/. I have one of these, and 
it's rather nicely made - the sides are joined underneath, to prevent them 
splaying:




At 170mm wide it's slightly narrower than the B17 at 175mm but considerably 
wider than the Aspin at 157mm.

Nick

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[RBW] Re: Acorn Cruncher Rides

[Benz Ouyang, Sunnyvale, CA]

On Monday, November 9, 2020 at 3:22:43 PM UTC-8 Paul in Dallas wrote:

>
> Some cultures ate acorns after preparing them in a manner to remove the 
> tannins and bitterness.
>
> I think it was by soaking and then cooking them.
>
> If times get lean there are plenty of them around here to eat if one is so 
> inclined.
>

Or if you have pigs, you can feed the pigs acorn, and harvest them as kind 
of a *jamón ibérico de bellota.*

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Re: [RBW] Berthoud Aspin - To cutout, or not to cutout?

[SeanMac]

I have used both of the Aspin models.  I started with the standard model.  
It was quite hard and took some time to break-in.  However, I ended up 
being very happy with it.  However, after using it for a few years, some 
health concerns made me decide to give the Aspin cutout model (Berthoud, I 
believe, refers to it as "open").  I used the cutout this season.  At 
first, the Open model felt noticeably more "flexible" than the standard 
saddle.  However, after a short period of adjustment, I stopped noticing 
the differences between the models.  Quite honestly, I still have the 
standard model sitting on a shelf in my basement "just in case" I decide to 
try it again or on a different bike.  However, I am pretty happy with the 
Berthoud Open and will likely keep it on my Black Mountain Cycles Road bike.

Sean
East Aurora, NY

On Monday, November 9, 2020 at 6:17:06 PM UTC-5 Sam Perez wrote:

> ive had the B17 and B17 imperial and just purchased the aspin a few weeks 
> ago, so far it's  still hard but not uncomfortable. a side by side I felt 
> that the B17 was more comfortable  after a few rides. B17 is a bit wider 
> than the aspin and that makes it initially not noticeable under you. 
> another thing is the B17 and B17 imperial feel different, the imperial cut 
> out feels softer. the aspin is starting to show crease  wrinkles where my 
> sit bones indent but no permanent indentation yet. ill share when put more 
> miles on it, curious about the cut out as well.
>
> On Mon, Nov 9, 2020 at 2:49 PM Sean B.  wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> I'm thinking about replacing my B17 Special and was looking at the Gilles 
>> Berthoud Aspin Open Saddle. Has anyone had and positive/negative 
>> experiences with them?  
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Re: [RBW] Berthoud Aspin - To cutout, or not to cutout?

[Sam Perez]

ive had the B17 and B17 imperial and just purchased the aspin a few weeks
ago, so far it's  still hard but not uncomfortable. a side by side I felt
that the B17 was more comfortable  after a few rides. B17 is a bit wider
than the aspin and that makes it initially not noticeable under you.
another thing is the B17 and B17 imperial feel different, the imperial cut
out feels softer. the aspin is starting to show crease  wrinkles where my
sit bones indent but no permanent indentation yet. ill share when put more
miles on it, curious about the cut out as well.

On Mon, Nov 9, 2020 at 2:49 PM Sean B.  wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I'm thinking about replacing my B17 Special and was looking at the Gilles
> Berthoud Aspin Open Saddle. Has anyone had and positive/negative
> experiences with them?
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[RBW] Re: My First Riv - c.2016 Sam H - Help needed for Newbie

[aeroperf]

Bill Lindsay is straight to the point.  “What do you mean by…”

Also, bikes are like stereo systems.  $$ for a good one, $$$ for a slightly 
better one,  for a VERY slightly better one.  Price goes up 
exponentially for parts where you may never feel the difference.

As one who became a bicycle mechanic after getting my first Sam, I suggest:
Velocity Atlas rims/Velocity hubs.  Quality without breaking the bank.  
Just order a set and have Velocity put them together.  Save learning spoke 
lacing for your second bike.
Limit your tires to 650bx42.  You DID say “all rounder”, so why would you 
want beach tires?
You can’t go wrong with Tektro 559 brakes and Shimano BL-R550 brake levers, 
as long as you keep your tires around 42 mm and have straight bars.
3x front and 9x or 10x rear.  Actual components depend on if you think it 
is a road bike or not.  Deore MD-M591, Sora FD-3030 works well for me.
If you can find it, the Suguino XD-2 with 170mm arms is a good, basic crank 
to start with.

Handlebars, stem, and controls are all personal preference, and you should 
be prepared to try a number of them.  If you have a current bike that fits, 
measure the distance between seat and bar grips, and try to match that with 
your stem.  I prefer bar-end shifters on albatross bars, but thumb shifters 
work, too.  I can’t use drop bars, but others swear by them.  My personal 
opinion is that downtube shifters require too much fumbling around just to 
find the shifter.

You need a full set of metric box/open end wrenches for your tool set.  
Also a cassette locking tool to remove/install cassettes on the freehub 
(Park FR-5.2G).
A pedal wrench would be a good addition, and a chain whip.
With what you already have, you should at least be able to get rolling with 
these.

Good luck—

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Re: [RBW] Christmas Clementine

['thalasin' via RBW Owners Bunch]

75 degrees in November in Northern Michigan today and your picture jolted 
me back to the reality that we're just over 2 weeks away from Thanksgiving! 
What a lovely scene to ease me into a holiday state of mind. Thank you.

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[RBW] Berthoud Aspin - To cutout, or not to cutout?

[Sean B.]

Hello,

I'm thinking about replacing my B17 Special and was looking at the Gilles 
Berthoud Aspin Open Saddle. Has anyone had and positive/negative 
experiences with them?  

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Re: [RBW] Christmas Clementine

[Joe Bernard]

No sound made no difference to me, Mark. The Christmas Clementine music 
popped right in my head and stuck there anyway! 
On Monday, November 9, 2020 at 9:40:35 AM UTC-8 Mark Roland wrote:

> Fabulous. And I am grateful for your decision not to include sound on this 
> one, not yet.
>
> BTW, some of us prefer flannel pjs for those work-from-home days.
>
> On Monday, November 9, 2020 at 11:30:46 AM UTC-5, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPad 
>>
>> > On Nov 9, 2020, at 8:29 AM, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
>> jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote: 
>> > 
>> > I don’t care what you say, it’s time for Christmas. It’s 2020; 
>> sweatpants are the new work attire, home is the new office, sourdough 
>> reigns supreme, toilet paper is precious... and Christmas starts November 
>> 1st. 
>> > 
>> > Video of my Christmas Clementine in the second post on this thread... 
>> > Leah 
>> > 
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[RBW] My First Riv - c.2016 Sam H - Help needed for Newbie

[Ian A]

Hard to beat Shimano hubs for quality and longevity, especially taking cost 
into consideration. Deore and Tiagra are the starting point in the product line 
up where the quality becomes excellent.

I would encourage you to shop for complete wheelsets though. Great deals can be 
had at times. 

IanA Alberta Canada

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[RBW] Re: My First Riv - c.2016 Sam H - Help needed for Newbie

[Michael Morrissey]

Also the WolfTooth tools are really nice quality! You might want to look at 
those.
On Monday, November 9, 2020 at 11:10:05 AM UTC-5 bria...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hi all, 
>
> Long time lurker here. I just purchased by first Riv frame. It's a c.2016 
> Sam H 51cm. 
>
> I'm looking to build this out to be solid all-rounder, keeping very 
> classic styling w/ all its parts. Wanna avoid snake oil purchases– will 
> spend $$$ where truly needed. Also– will be doing my own 
> assembly/maintenance for lack of a LBS nearby. 
>
> I realize this is a lot to ask from you knowledgeable folks– so any help 
> is very much appreciated. 
>
> HERE 
> 
>  is 
> a list of tools I already own/list of components I'm looking to buy. Any 
> and all notes/recs are welcome. Along with any personal tips on assembly. 
>

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[RBW] Re: My First Riv - c.2016 Sam H - Help needed for Newbie

[Michael Morrissey]

Get good tools! You don't really need "imperial" tools. Only metric.

I recently upgraded to Wera Zyklop tools - amazing. I wish I had done this 
years ago. I would have been so much better off. Also, mini-air compressors 
that plug into your car are cheaper than floor pumps for bikes at this 
point. I have one called "EPAuto" from Amazon. It dials in air pressure to 
half a PSI. I'm running 45 PSI right now by the way. Thanks for asking ;)

Paired with this Silca chuck it's amazing for bikes!
https://www.amazon.com/Silca-Presta-Chuck-Stainless-Steel/dp/B0055X4ESQ/ref=asc_df_B0055X4ESQ/?tag=hyprod-20=df0=312094794167==g=1215468814743518508c===9004077=pla-570079685745=1===63784736042===312094794167==g=1215468814743518508==c===9004077=pla-570079685745

Good luck! The Hillborne looks nice! I'm sure you'll love it.

m

 
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> Hi all, 
>
> Long time lurker here. I just purchased by first Riv frame. It's a c.2016 
> Sam H 51cm. 
>
> I'm looking to build this out to be solid all-rounder, keeping very 
> classic styling w/ all its parts. Wanna avoid snake oil purchases– will 
> spend $$$ where truly needed. Also– will be doing my own 
> assembly/maintenance for lack of a LBS nearby. 
>
> I realize this is a lot to ask from you knowledgeable folks– so any help 
> is very much appreciated. 
>
> HERE 
> 
>  is 
> a list of tools I already own/list of components I'm looking to buy. Any 
> and all notes/recs are welcome. Along with any personal tips on assembly. 
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Wolbis Slugstone Build

[Paul Richardson]

well said mark, and i agree 100%.  whacky is a huge compliment in this 
context!  i scratch my head at modern mountainbike stuff the same way i do 
at carbonfiberduraacespandexdiscomfort.

i preordered my wolbis and was completely surprised when i saw the 
instrument decals on the top tube and chainstays.  and the more i'm on it 
it just feels like it embraces its individuality--the name, the insanely 
long wheelbase, the decals.  it's elegant and goofy and awesome all at the 
same time, and your purple/white parts really accentuate that.  i went more 
'classic' with my build.

paul
takoma park, md.

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Re: [RBW] Christmas Clementine

[Mark Roland]

Fabulous. And I am grateful for your decision not to include sound on this 
one, not yet.

BTW, some of us prefer flannel pjs for those work-from-home days.

On Monday, November 9, 2020 at 11:30:46 AM UTC-5, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPad 
>
> > On Nov 9, 2020, at 8:29 AM, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
> jonasa...@gmail.com > wrote: 
> > 
> > I don’t care what you say, it’s time for Christmas. It’s 2020; 
> sweatpants are the new work attire, home is the new office, sourdough 
> reigns supreme, toilet paper is precious... and Christmas starts November 
> 1st. 
> > 
> > Video of my Christmas Clementine in the second post on this thread... 
> > Leah 
> > 
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[RBW] Re: My First Riv - c.2016 Sam H - Help needed for Newbie

[Conway Bennett]

I have a 44 cm noodle bar I can sell you.  If you're riding a 51 cm frame it 
should be appropriate.  

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Re: [RBW] Re: Wolbis Slugstone Build

[Mark Roland]

Thank you, Paul. And wacky as heck, I hope.

On Monday, November 9, 2020 at 11:10:18 AM UTC-5, Paul Budnitz wrote:
>
> Thanks for the info Mark. 
>
> Well all I can say is, that is one badass beautiful bike!!
> On Nov 8, 2020, 6:22 PM -0800, Mark Roland  >, wrote:
>
> I know what you mean, Paul. In today's world, sometimes it's the most 
> sensible, conservative things that seem the most wacky.
>
> When my son and I are out on the single track and jeep roads of Stewart 
> State Forest and we come upon the occasional gaggle of "serious" mountain 
> bikers on full suspension hydraulic disc carbon bikes with full xcountry 
> gear, I think they look...pretty darn wacky. Especially since both me, a 
> mostly ex-roadie, and my son, who will be eleven this month, have zero 
> problem on any of the trails, despite riding steel rigid bikes with rim 
> brakes.
>
> I feel like there is a sweet spot in many technologies, where the use and 
> function seems most appropriate and human scale. I think the original 
> mountain bike concepts hit that sweet spot, and in many ways represent the 
> pinnacle of useful, appropriate bicycle design for the vast majority of 
> stuff the vast majority of people would want or need to do on a bicycle. 
> What I love about the Hillibikes, is that they take the original mountain 
> bike concepts and reimagine and redefine them.That someone in 2020 would 
> design and produce bicycles like the Hillibikes is indeed wacky and 
> wonderful!
>
> 
>
>
>
>
> On Sunday, November 8, 2020 at 8:35:49 PM UTC-5, Paul Richardson wrote: 
>>
>> looking great.  love the wild direction you went with the build--really 
>> suits (what i consider to be) a totally whacky frame.  good synergy!! 
>>
>> paul
>> takoma park, md.
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, November 8, 2020 at 6:10:33 PM UTC-5 Mark Roland wrote:
>>
>>> Sorry, did not fully answer Andrew's  questions. I have Cliffhangers on 
>>> my Hubbuhubbuh, which is also new to me, so could not give you a 
>>> comprehensive comparison. They are fine, a rounded profile with a flat 
>>> silver finish and no eyelets. The Rhynos have eyelets and a more 
>>> traditional boxy profile, and are made by the company that puts out the 
>>> venerable CR-18 rims, always a  solid choice. I imagine they are both good 
>>> reliable rims. My aesthetics favor the Rhynos (yes, even in white) but if I 
>>> had to wait on one and wanted the wheels I would probably get the other and 
>>> not worry about it.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sunday, November 8, 2020 at 2:22:37 PM UTC-5, Andrew Stevens wrote:
>>>
 Nice! I'm waiting on mine, and have been stumped looking for rims. How 
 do you feel about the Rhyno XLs? Those are the 36 hole right? I don't 
 believe they came in a 32. Would you recommend them over waiting for 
 Velocity Cliffhangers to come back in stock? 


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[RBW] Re: My First Riv - c.2016 Sam H - Help needed for Newbie

[Bill Lindsay]

It's hard to predict how well this is going to go. We see very enthusiastic 
newbies jump in with both feet. Some absolutely nail it on their first try, 
and others build something, show it off proudly, claim to love it on day 
one, offer it up for sale on day ten, and start over just as 
enthusiastically on something else. 

So, do you actually have a frame on-hand?  Is it frame/fork/headset only?  
 No BB, no nothing else?  Or do you not have it on hand?  Start uploading 
photos to your Google Drive.  

On the Google Document you link, you say you have all the tools listed, and 
you have none of the parts listed.  Is that correct?  Are you asking this 
group to sell you things?  Or are you asking us to tell you what you should 
buy?  

You need to completely re-think your tires/wheels/brakes strategy.  

- I'm 99% certain a 27.5" x 2.22" tire won't fit a Sam Hillborne frame.  
650Bx38 definitely.  650Bx42 probably, but not with fenders.  605Bx45 
maybe.  
- The wider a tire you run, the wider you need your brakes to open up.  You 
are specifiying non-aero brake levers which have no QR button, and you are 
specifying brake calipers with no QR and nowhere near enough reach to reach 
around the tires you want, and that have a nutted attachment 
configuration.  If your Hillborne is a sidepull brake model, you will need 
recessed allen mounting and a longer reach, and while you are choosing 
brakes you should select ones that will open wide enough for the tires you 
are running.  
- I don't follow exactly what you mean by 'classic looks' because a bike 
with drop bars, a sloping top tube and fat tires looks contemporary to me.  
By 'classic' do you mean silver in color?  By 'classic' do you mean 'boxy 
and non-aerodynamic in shape'?  
-if you want to buy a wheelset from this group, the important parts are 
that your OLD dimensions are 100mm and 135mm.  
-do you really have no local bike shop?  Where roughly are you located?  I 
think the best thing would be to get a test wheelset installed so you can 
figure out your tire and brake caliper situation.  If somebody local to you 
had a wheelset that you could fire in there to test fit, it would do you a 
world of good, and posting those mockup photos would be helpful to anybody 
who is going to advise you.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Monday, November 9, 2020 at 8:10:05 AM UTC-8 bria...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hi all, 
>
> Long time lurker here. I just purchased by first Riv frame. It's a c.2016 
> Sam H 51cm. 
>
> I'm looking to build this out to be solid all-rounder, keeping very 
> classic styling w/ all its parts. Wanna avoid snake oil purchases– will 
> spend $$$ where truly needed. Also– will be doing my own 
> assembly/maintenance for lack of a LBS nearby. 
>
> I realize this is a lot to ask from you knowledgeable folks– so any help 
> is very much appreciated. 
>
> HERE 
> 
>  is 
> a list of tools I already own/list of components I'm looking to buy. Any 
> and all notes/recs are welcome. Along with any personal tips on assembly. 
>

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[RBW] Christmas Clementine

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

I don’t care what you say, it’s time for Christmas. It’s 2020; sweatpants are 
the new work attire, home is the new office, sourdough reigns supreme, toilet 
paper is precious... and Christmas starts November 1st.

Video of my Christmas Clementine in the second post on this thread...
Leah

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Re: [RBW] Looking for 52cm and 59cm Clem H 's

[Coco Menk]

The pricing on that one did seem a little absurd, especially since it's not
the complete! I guess the inflation demon really takes hold people in times
of crisis...

If they were selling the complete build, maybe...Even then it's only $150
off from the original Riv complete price



On Mon, Nov 9, 2020 at 9:41 AM Mark Roland  wrote:

> Not sure I would be promoting that on the RBW List.
>
> That $1200 price is for the frame, fork, headset, bb, & seat post, exactly
> what Rivendell offers brand new for $900. The seller helpfully mentions
> that Rivendell is all sold out and not due until spring. And so you know
> he/she is a big Riv fan, they have moved on to other Rivendell bikes--so
> Rivendells are good, and cool.
>
> I guess if you want to support someone with ethics that include being very
> comfortable with price gouging, you could take them up on the offer. Unless
> maybe the slight marring of the seat tube is considered beausage and makes
> the bike more valuable.
>
> On Sunday, November 8, 2020 at 5:06:56 PM UTC-5, Matthew Williams wrote:
>>
>> Here's a 52cm Clem Jr. L frameset:
>>
>> $1200
>> Ann Arbor, MI
>>
>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/174500220729
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Nov 6, 2020, at 10:46 PM, Coco Menk  wrote:
>>
>> Hi there!
>>
>> On the lookout for some Clem H completes (or frames) for me and my
>> boyfriend.
>>
>> We're big Riv fans, and have been scouring the forums and sites looking
>> for our own ever since coming back from our wanderings in California this
>> past winter. We visited the shop and did some test rides, but there were so
>> many options! With no way to ship them back with us (we had our own,
>> significantly inferior bikes with us to tour on), we left the sunny
>> seascape Riv-less, but hooked.
>>
>> The 52 is for me (PBH 84) and the 59 is for him. Hoping for some miracles
>> in this absurd bike boom.
>>
>> More bikes for the people!!
>> Coco
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Wolbis Slugstone Build

[Paul Budnitz]

Thanks for the info Mark.

Well all I can say is, that is one badass beautiful bike!!
On Nov 8, 2020, 6:22 PM -0800, Mark Roland , wrote:
> I know what you mean, Paul. In today's world, sometimes it's the most 
> sensible, conservative things that seem the most wacky.
>
> When my son and I are out on the single track and jeep roads of Stewart State 
> Forest and we come upon the occasional gaggle of "serious" mountain bikers on 
> full suspension hydraulic disc carbon bikes with full xcountry gear, I think 
> they look...pretty darn wacky. Especially since both me, a mostly ex-roadie, 
> and my son, who will be eleven this month, have zero problem on any of the 
> trails, despite riding steel rigid bikes with rim brakes.
>
> I feel like there is a sweet spot in many technologies, where the use and 
> function seems most appropriate and human scale. I think the original 
> mountain bike concepts hit that sweet spot, and in many ways represent the 
> pinnacle of useful, appropriate bicycle design for the vast majority of stuff 
> the vast majority of people would want or need to do on a bicycle. What I 
> love about the Hillibikes, is that they take the original mountain bike 
> concepts and reimagine and redefine them.That someone in 2020 would design 
> and produce bicycles like the Hillibikes is indeed wacky and wonderful!
>
> 
>
>
>
>
> On Sunday, November 8, 2020 at 8:35:49 PM UTC-5, Paul Richardson wrote:
> > looking great.  love the wild direction you went with the build--really 
> > suits (what i consider to be) a totally whacky frame.  good synergy!!
> >
> > paul
> > takoma park, md.
> >
> >
> > > On Sunday, November 8, 2020 at 6:10:33 PM UTC-5 Mark Roland wrote:
> > > > Sorry, did not fully answer Andrew's  questions. I have Cliffhangers on 
> > > > my Hubbuhubbuh, which is also new to me, so could not give you a 
> > > > comprehensive comparison. They are fine, a rounded profile with a flat 
> > > > silver finish and no eyelets. The Rhynos have eyelets and a more 
> > > > traditional boxy profile, and are made by the company that puts out the 
> > > > venerable CR-18 rims, always a  solid choice. I imagine they are both 
> > > > good reliable rims. My aesthetics favor the Rhynos (yes, even in white) 
> > > > but if I had to wait on one and wanted the wheels I would probably get 
> > > > the other and not worry about it.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Sunday, November 8, 2020 at 2:22:37 PM UTC-5, Andrew Stevens wrote:
> > > > > Nice! I'm waiting on mine, and have been stumped looking for rims. 
> > > > > How do you feel about the Rhyno XLs? Those are the 36 hole right? I 
> > > > > don't believe they came in a 32. Would you recommend them over 
> > > > > waiting for Velocity Cliffhangers to come back in stock?
> > > > >
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[RBW] Re: How to alter a shimano bar pod to fit a microshift 11 speed shifter

[Jamie W]

Heya! 
Not the exact same, but I've modded a shimano dura-ace bar end to throw a 
sram clutch 10speed through its full range. Required an extra 8mm of cable 
throw if I remember correctly. I filled off the top just as you were 
thinking. There doesn't appear to be any internal mechanism inhibiting the 
throw, just the bar pod preventing the lever from moving further. I traced 
out an outline with sharpie beforehand to get a nice flush curved finish, 
doesn't even look like a mod. I've since seen people shave them for eagle 
12sp. 

On Saturday, November 7, 2020 at 12:38:03 PM UTC-5 Andrew Turner wrote:

> I've heard of people altering their bar end pods for wider range and I was 
> curious how one goes about doing that. I've got some microshift 11 speed 
> bar ends but I want to lose the black pods in exchange for shimano's silver 
> ones. 
>
> Looks like Roman accomplished it on his Hillborne: "Mark scalloped out a 
> Shimano barpod to fit a 10-speed MTN Microshift thumbie and it all works 
> perfectly." 
>
> My gut tells me I need to take a file to the top portion of the pod so the 
> lever can get a further rotation...something like this:?
> [image: Screenshot 2020-11-07 at 11.30.29 AM.png]
>
> Or maybe I'm lost. If anyone can point me in the right direction, I'd 
> appreciate it! I'd also be curious to know if anyone has done this with 
> their silver2 bar ends and if they'd pull an 11 speed cassette with this 
> modification. 
>
> Thanks, 
> Andrew
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[RBW] My First Riv - c.2016 Sam H - Help needed for Newbie

[Brian Carbajal]

Hi all, 

Long time lurker here. I just purchased by first Riv frame. It's a c.2016 
Sam H 51cm. 

I'm looking to build this out to be solid all-rounder, keeping very classic 
styling w/ all its parts. Wanna avoid snake oil purchases– will spend $$$ 
where truly needed. Also– will be doing my own assembly/maintenance for 
lack of a LBS nearby. 

I realize this is a lot to ask from you knowledgeable folks– so any help is 
very much appreciated. 

HERE 

 is 
a list of tools I already own/list of components I'm looking to buy. Any 
and all notes/recs are welcome. Along with any personal tips on assembly. 

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Re: [RBW] Looking for 52cm and 59cm Clem H 's

[Coco Menk]

Thanks for all the leads! Glad to see some other ladies in the Riv group 

I think I'm pretty set on the Clem H for myself, vs the L, but the blue
ones sure are pretty. We're already on the list for the 59 in Grilver,
fingers crossed!

Coco

On Sun, Nov 8, 2020 at 5:48 PM Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
jonasandle...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Coco, here is a 59 Clem H - not sure if it’s still available. Price was
> right and there was interest on the List, but the seller never marked it
> sold, so here ya go.
> https://groups.google.com/forum/m/#!topic/rbw-owners-bunch/-FGRmLO7Z28
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Re: [RBW] How large of a tire will a Sam Hillborne actually fit

[diekaiser]

I have Vittoria Terreno Dry (47) on a Cliffhanger rim and I have minimal 
clearance in the rear at the brake bridge. Also, the Paul Mini Motos mini 
cable is ever so close to the tire tread. I also ran the same setup on 
Velocity Quills and it was a little bit better in both the brake bridge and 
brake cable clearance of the Mini Motos. I've also ran the GravelKing 1.9's 
(non-slick) on both the Cliffhangers and Quills. Again, minimal clearance, 
but it rolled.

On Sunday, November 8, 2020 at 3:19:31 PM UTC-8 Mark Allen wrote:

> Yes, it's the canti version from the last run (2018/2019) before this 
> month's release.
>
> On Sunday, November 8, 2020 at 10:59:08 AM UTC-5 Jimmy Warren wrote:
>
>> Do you have the canti version? I have side pull, and I don’t think I 
>> could do fenders with Snoqualmie Pass tires. Fenders and Barlow Pass 38 is 
>> excellent though.
>>
>> On Nov 8, 2020, at 7:55 AM, Mark Allen  wrote:
>>
>> For anyone interested in the max size with fenders, the 44mm Rene 
>> Herse Snoqualmie Pass under Velo Orange 52mm Zeppelin fenders fit my 2018 
>> Hillborne perfectly, but I don't think I could go any larger for either 
>> component.
>>
>> Mark
>>
>> On Sunday, November 8, 2020 at 10:03:19 AM UTC-5 Nathan F wrote:
>>
>>> To repeat what others have said, 48-50 really is the comfortable limit 
>>> on my 18'. I'm running 43mm and the SKS fenders are TIGHT, especially on 
>>> the rear. I know normally bike brands normally pad the max clearance to 
>>> prevent warranty claims, but Riv hasn't on this model. It really can't go 
>>> much bigger. 
>>>
>>> - Nathan
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Walking shoes/boots advice, once again after 6+ months

[Patrick Moore]

And I just learned the meaning of "hard pass."

On Mon, Nov 9, 2020 at 8:17 AM Justin  wrote:

> IMHO Thursday boots are a hard pass. My experience is from years wearing
> and working with actual quality USA and Japan made footwear, although I've
> handled only one pair of Thursday moc toe boots. Yes, the leather feels
> subpar when you've handled many other brands using better tanneries. Just
> browsing the Thursday site one big red flag for me is that every boot
> appears to made on the same last, a pointy toe dress last, not exactly the
> last anyone should choose for 5 mile hikes, again IMHO. Speaking of hiking,
> the lookalike Dannite sole on the captain boot is not great for hiking and
> is again usually used on dress/casual shoes just like the last. A decent
> hiking boot will use some kind of lugged sole, even a recessed lug like
> Vibram 430 would be better than Dannite I'd think.
>
> It's tough to find a quality boot in the $199 price range these days but I
> think you'd be better off with a purpose built work boot with a decent sole
> for hiking of another brand. But, what do I know? I've never understood the
> idea of "a boot I can *blank* in and also wear around town".
>
>
> On Monday, November 9, 2020 at 12:36:55 AM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Nikko: Thanks for this clarification. I wondered if the online ad copy
>> didn't hide inferior quality. So, this is the sort of information that will
>> help me make a good choice. From what you say, my own inclination is back
>> toward the Redwing Chukka.
>>
>> You mention the "made in USA" product line versus the "original" line.
>> The most recent copy touts "made in USA or maybe Mexico" for the Captain,
>> so I wonder if the current model is different. But I lean now toward the
>> local Redwing store, even though Thursday advertises free return shipping.
>> Most likely, I'll procrastinate -- a useful fault, often.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> On Sun, Nov 8, 2020 at 9:40 PM Nikko Mendoza  wrote:
>>
>>> My experience is second hand, although that experience was just seeing
>>> the shoes in person everyday from day 1, a coworker got them new. I was
>>> able to watch them degrade much quicker than any other pair of boots I’ve
>>> owned. Visually, it was easy to tell that the leather was inferior by the
>>> way it wore down and the fact that I couldn’t help my friend condition the
>>> leather the way I have done so in the past. I also used to be entirely too
>>> involved in the /r/goodyearwelt (https://www.reddit.com/r/goodyearwelt) 
>>> subreddit.
>>> You can check there for reviews (both good and bad).
>>>
>>> My general understanding of the Thursday boot is that it’s catered to
>>> folks who want to wear a boot daily in a fashionable manner to their office
>>> job vs Redwing and Chipps (at that price point of ~$200-300) are the more
>>> rugged and functional boot.
>>>
>>> A majority experience is mostly based on collecting boots and being a
>>> hobbyist for a long time.
>>>
>>> I will note that their handmade in the USA collection looks more
>>> promising than the original collection that I’m more familiar with.
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Nov 8, 2020, at 8:24 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>> Nick: This is the very kind of information I am looking for.
>>>
>>> I'm going to press your hard: Do you know from personal experience, or
>>> otherwise have hard evidence, that Thursday uses inferior leather, and that
>>> their products are merely fashion items?
>>>
>>> I am asking hard but meaning well, because I am taking your assertion
>>> seriously: in short: how do you know that?
>>>
>>> Thanks, Patrick
>>>
>>> On Sun, Nov 8, 2020 at 9:03 PM Nikko Mendoza 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Hey Patrick,

 I’d suggest going the Redwing or Chippewa route. The Thursday boots use
 poor leather and have stiff soles compared to the other two mentioned
 brands. They’re more fashion than function.

 Best,
 Nikko Mendoza
 Sent from my iPhone

 On Nov 8, 2020, at 7:41 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:

 
 As always, forgot to say that "Thursday" trips positive synapses
 because of Thursday Bicycles, which in turn triggers feel-goods because
 owner started on Navajo reservation about the time I was doing hard time in
 Gallup, NM.

 muttonmaster.htm 

 The Muttonmaster:

 [image: image.png]

 Navajo grandmothers who will whup any foolishness out of you:

 [image: image.png]



 On Sun, Nov 8, 2020 at 8:32 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> Over 6 months ago I provoked a thread about comfortable and durable
> footwear for ~ 5-mile hikes that are also seemly for casual about-town
> wear. Many kindly replied, and the upshot was that I set my red and beady
> eye on Redwing's Chukka model.
>
> In the event, the proposed trip provoking the question did not
> materialize. But in the 

Re: [RBW] Re: Walking shoes/boots advice, once again after 6+ months

[Patrick Moore]

Well, this is why I ask my questions. Thanks both of you. I've scratched
Thursday. They do have good marketing copy, though.

Redwing it is.

On Mon, Nov 9, 2020 at 8:17 AM Justin  wrote:

> IMHO Thursday boots are a hard pass. My experience is from years wearing
> and working with actual quality USA and Japan made footwear, although I've
> handled only one pair of Thursday moc toe boots. Yes, the leather feels
> subpar when you've handled many other brands using better tanneries. Just
> browsing the Thursday site one big red flag for me is that every boot
> appears to made on the same last, a pointy toe dress last, not exactly the
> last anyone should choose for 5 mile hikes, again IMHO. Speaking of hiking,
> the lookalike Dannite sole on the captain boot is not great for hiking and
> is again usually used on dress/casual shoes just like the last. A decent
> hiking boot will use some kind of lugged sole, even a recessed lug like
> Vibram 430 would be better than Dannite I'd think.
>
> It's tough to find a quality boot in the $199 price range these days but I
> think you'd be better off with a purpose built work boot with a decent sole
> for hiking of another brand. But, what do I know? I've never understood the
> idea of "a boot I can *blank* in and also wear around town".
>
>
> On Monday, November 9, 2020 at 12:36:55 AM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Nikko: Thanks for this clarification. I wondered if the online ad copy
>> didn't hide inferior quality. So, this is the sort of information that will
>> help me make a good choice. From what you say, my own inclination is back
>> toward the Redwing Chukka.
>>
>> You mention the "made in USA" product line versus the "original" line.
>> The most recent copy touts "made in USA or maybe Mexico" for the Captain,
>> so I wonder if the current model is different. But I lean now toward the
>> local Redwing store, even though Thursday advertises free return shipping.
>> Most likely, I'll procrastinate -- a useful fault, often.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> On Sun, Nov 8, 2020 at 9:40 PM Nikko Mendoza  wrote:
>>
>>> My experience is second hand, although that experience was just seeing
>>> the shoes in person everyday from day 1, a coworker got them new. I was
>>> able to watch them degrade much quicker than any other pair of boots I’ve
>>> owned. Visually, it was easy to tell that the leather was inferior by the
>>> way it wore down and the fact that I couldn’t help my friend condition the
>>> leather the way I have done so in the past. I also used to be entirely too
>>> involved in the /r/goodyearwelt (https://www.reddit.com/r/goodyearwelt) 
>>> subreddit.
>>> You can check there for reviews (both good and bad).
>>>
>>> My general understanding of the Thursday boot is that it’s catered to
>>> folks who want to wear a boot daily in a fashionable manner to their office
>>> job vs Redwing and Chipps (at that price point of ~$200-300) are the more
>>> rugged and functional boot.
>>>
>>> A majority experience is mostly based on collecting boots and being a
>>> hobbyist for a long time.
>>>
>>> I will note that their handmade in the USA collection looks more
>>> promising than the original collection that I’m more familiar with.
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Nov 8, 2020, at 8:24 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>> Nick: This is the very kind of information I am looking for.
>>>
>>> I'm going to press your hard: Do you know from personal experience, or
>>> otherwise have hard evidence, that Thursday uses inferior leather, and that
>>> their products are merely fashion items?
>>>
>>> I am asking hard but meaning well, because I am taking your assertion
>>> seriously: in short: how do you know that?
>>>
>>> Thanks, Patrick
>>>
>>> On Sun, Nov 8, 2020 at 9:03 PM Nikko Mendoza 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Hey Patrick,

 I’d suggest going the Redwing or Chippewa route. The Thursday boots use
 poor leather and have stiff soles compared to the other two mentioned
 brands. They’re more fashion than function.

 Best,
 Nikko Mendoza
 Sent from my iPhone

 On Nov 8, 2020, at 7:41 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:

 
 As always, forgot to say that "Thursday" trips positive synapses
 because of Thursday Bicycles, which in turn triggers feel-goods because
 owner started on Navajo reservation about the time I was doing hard time in
 Gallup, NM.

 muttonmaster.htm 

 The Muttonmaster:

 [image: image.png]

 Navajo grandmothers who will whup any foolishness out of you:

 [image: image.png]



 On Sun, Nov 8, 2020 at 8:32 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> Over 6 months ago I provoked a thread about comfortable and durable
> footwear for ~ 5-mile hikes that are also seemly for casual about-town
> wear. Many kindly replied, and the upshot was that I set my red and beady
> eye on Redwing's Chukka model.
>
> In the 

Re: [RBW] Re: Walking shoes/boots advice, once again after 6+ months

[Justin]

IMHO Thursday boots are a hard pass. My experience is from years wearing 
and working with actual quality USA and Japan made footwear, although I've 
handled only one pair of Thursday moc toe boots. Yes, the leather feels 
subpar when you've handled many other brands using better tanneries. Just 
browsing the Thursday site one big red flag for me is that every boot 
appears to made on the same last, a pointy toe dress last, not exactly the 
last anyone should choose for 5 mile hikes, again IMHO. Speaking of hiking, 
the lookalike Dannite sole on the captain boot is not great for hiking and 
is again usually used on dress/casual shoes just like the last. A decent 
hiking boot will use some kind of lugged sole, even a recessed lug like 
Vibram 430 would be better than Dannite I'd think. 

It's tough to find a quality boot in the $199 price range these days but I 
think you'd be better off with a purpose built work boot with a decent sole 
for hiking of another brand. But, what do I know? I've never understood the 
idea of "a boot I can *blank* in and also wear around town". 


On Monday, November 9, 2020 at 12:36:55 AM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Nikko: Thanks for this clarification. I wondered if the online ad copy 
> didn't hide inferior quality. So, this is the sort of information that will 
> help me make a good choice. From what you say, my own inclination is back 
> toward the Redwing Chukka.
>
> You mention the "made in USA" product line versus the "original" line. The 
> most recent copy touts "made in USA or maybe Mexico" for the Captain, so I 
> wonder if the current model is different. But I lean now toward the local 
> Redwing store, even though Thursday advertises free return shipping. Most 
> likely, I'll procrastinate -- a useful fault, often.
>
> Thanks.
>
> On Sun, Nov 8, 2020 at 9:40 PM Nikko Mendoza  wrote:
>
>> My experience is second hand, although that experience was just seeing 
>> the shoes in person everyday from day 1, a coworker got them new. I was 
>> able to watch them degrade much quicker than any other pair of boots I’ve 
>> owned. Visually, it was easy to tell that the leather was inferior by the 
>> way it wore down and the fact that I couldn’t help my friend condition the 
>> leather the way I have done so in the past. I also used to be entirely too 
>> involved in the /r/goodyearwelt (https://www.reddit.com/r/goodyearwelt) 
>> subreddit. 
>> You can check there for reviews (both good and bad). 
>>
>> My general understanding of the Thursday boot is that it’s catered to 
>> folks who want to wear a boot daily in a fashionable manner to their office 
>> job vs Redwing and Chipps (at that price point of ~$200-300) are the more 
>> rugged and functional boot. 
>>
>> A majority experience is mostly based on collecting boots and being a 
>> hobbyist for a long time. 
>>
>> I will note that their handmade in the USA collection looks more 
>> promising than the original collection that I’m more familiar with. 
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Nov 8, 2020, at 8:24 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>
>> 
>> Nick: This is the very kind of information I am looking for. 
>>
>> I'm going to press your hard: Do you know from personal experience, or 
>> otherwise have hard evidence, that Thursday uses inferior leather, and that 
>> their products are merely fashion items?
>>
>> I am asking hard but meaning well, because I am taking your assertion 
>> seriously: in short: how do you know that?
>>
>> Thanks, Patrick
>>
>> On Sun, Nov 8, 2020 at 9:03 PM Nikko Mendoza  wrote:
>>
>>> Hey Patrick, 
>>>
>>> I’d suggest going the Redwing or Chippewa route. The Thursday boots use 
>>> poor leather and have stiff soles compared to the other two mentioned 
>>> brands. They’re more fashion than function. 
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Nikko Mendoza
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Nov 8, 2020, at 7:41 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>> As always, forgot to say that "Thursday" trips positive synapses because 
>>> of Thursday Bicycles, which in turn triggers feel-goods because owner 
>>> started on Navajo reservation about the time I was doing hard time in 
>>> Gallup, NM.
>>>
>>> muttonmaster.htm 
>>>
>>> The Muttonmaster:
>>>
>>> [image: image.png]
>>>
>>> Navajo grandmothers who will whup any foolishness out of you:
>>>
>>> [image: image.png]
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Nov 8, 2020 at 8:32 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>>
 Over 6 months ago I provoked a thread about comfortable and durable 
 footwear for ~ 5-mile hikes that are also seemly for casual about-town 
 wear. Many kindly replied, and the upshot was that I set my red and beady 
 eye on Redwing's Chukka model.

 In the event, the proposed trip provoking the question did not 
 materialize. But in the interval since, while continuing to research 
 "hiking shoes," the algorithms have called up many ads for "Thursday" 
 boots 
 highlighting the buzzwords of l"value" and 

Re: [RBW] Re: How to alter a shimano bar pod to fit a microshift 11 speed shifter

[Andrew Turner]

Disregard. Upon further examination, it seems that Microshift 11 speed has 
to be paired with itself in order for indexing to work. To get around the 
color, I kept the pod in a jar of airstrip remover overnight and I'm still 
in the process of polishing the lever. So far so good! 

[image: 2020-11-09.jpg]
On Sunday, November 8, 2020 at 5:42:32 PM UTC-6 Andrew Turner wrote:

> Super helpful! Glad to know the Silver2 barends can work as-is with 11 
> speed, that's news to me. As far as pairing the microshift shifters to 
> shimano bar ends, they fit just fine, I think the major difference I can 
> find is that the little flat square "peg" that the shifter fits on are 
> angled differently between the microshift and shimano pod. I'll experiment 
> later in the week and let you know what I find. 
>
> How's 11 speed friction for you? A lot of people seem to think it's a trim 
> nightmare but I haven't had the pleasure of debunking that first-hand. 
>
> Andrew
>
>
>
> On Sun, Nov 8, 2020 at 1:30 PM Matthew Mosen  wrote:
>
>> I'm running a slightly different setup but I figured this might be useful 
>> info. I have a silver2 shifter in a riv thumb shifter mount on my 1x11 
>> Susie. Shifts through the range easily. I would switch that 9 speed shimano 
>> shifter in your photo into friction mode and test if it'll shift through 
>> that 11 speed cassette. My guess is that it will. If you want 11 speed 
>> indexing, that's a different story. 
>>
>> Specifically regarding microshift shifters, some (maybe all?) of there 
>> shifters are physically bigger than the 9 speed shimano shifter in your 
>> photo. So some material would need to be removed from the bar end pod to 
>> simply fit the shifter in there. But this has to do with the physical 
>> dimensions of the shifter, not the shift range.
>>
>> I guess I need some clarification with one thing related to this topic. 
>> Is there a difference in overall cassette width when comparing, say, a 9 
>> speed cassette and an 11 speed cassette? Seems to me that any cassette 
>> designed for an HG freehub body would be constrained to the same outer 
>> width (distance from smallest cog to biggest). As my understanding goes, 
>> the jump from 9 speed to 10 or 11 is achieved with a narrower chain and 
>> reduced spacing between adjacent cogs.
>>
>> Hope this was helpful in some way.
>>
>> Matt
>>
>> On Saturday, November 7, 2020 at 9:38:03 AM UTC-8 Andrew Turner wrote:
>>
>>> I've heard of people altering their bar end pods for wider range and I 
>>> was curious how one goes about doing that. I've got some microshift 11 
>>> speed bar ends but I want to lose the black pods in exchange for shimano's 
>>> silver ones. 
>>>
>>> Looks like Roman accomplished it on his Hillborne: "Mark scalloped out a 
>>> Shimano barpod to fit a 10-speed MTN Microshift thumbie and it all works 
>>> perfectly." 
>>>
>>> My gut tells me I need to take a file to the top portion of the pod so 
>>> the lever can get a further rotation...something like this:?
>>> [image: Screenshot 2020-11-07 at 11.30.29 AM.png]
>>>
>>> Or maybe I'm lost. If anyone can point me in the right direction, I'd 
>>> appreciate it! I'd also be curious to know if anyone has done this with 
>>> their silver2 bar ends and if they'd pull an 11 speed cassette with this 
>>> modification. 
>>>
>>> Thanks, 
>>> Andrew
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Looking for 52cm and 59cm Clem H 's

[Mark Roland]

Not sure I would be promoting that on the RBW List.

That $1200 price is for the frame, fork, headset, bb, & seat post, exactly 
what Rivendell offers brand new for $900. The seller helpfully mentions 
that Rivendell is all sold out and not due until spring. And so you know 
he/she is a big Riv fan, they have moved on to other Rivendell bikes--so 
Rivendells are good, and cool.

I guess if you want to support someone with ethics that include being very 
comfortable with price gouging, you could take them up on the offer. Unless 
maybe the slight marring of the seat tube is considered beausage and makes 
the bike more valuable.

On Sunday, November 8, 2020 at 5:06:56 PM UTC-5, Matthew Williams wrote:
>
> Here's a 52cm Clem Jr. L frameset:
>
> $1200
> Ann Arbor, MI
>
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/174500220729
>
>
>
>
> On Nov 6, 2020, at 10:46 PM, Coco Menk > 
> wrote:
>
> Hi there!
>
> On the lookout for some Clem H completes (or frames) for me and my 
> boyfriend. 
>
> We're big Riv fans, and have been scouring the forums and sites looking 
> for our own ever since coming back from our wanderings in California this 
> past winter. We visited the shop and did some test rides, but there were so 
> many options! With no way to ship them back with us (we had our own, 
> significantly inferior bikes with us to tour on), we left the sunny 
> seascape Riv-less, but hooked.
>
> The 52 is for me (PBH 84) and the 59 is for him. Hoping for some miracles 
> in this absurd bike boom.
>
> More bikes for the people!!
> Coco
>
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[RBW] Re: 1996 Riv All Rounder update

[Mark Roland]

Wow. Gorgeous bike. Funny to think that, in its day, this was considered 
out there and wacky. Kinda like the Hillibikes of today. Of course for us 
bicyclists that came of age during a certain time period, the classic lines 
and beautiful lugwork of this bike will always look right, even with 26" 
tires and cantilever brakes. 

On Sunday, November 8, 2020 at 1:42:41 PM UTC-5, John in PDX wrote:
>
> The All Rounder came to me from the original owner who had lots of 
> documentation, ordered in 1995, delivered in January 1996.  Will continue 
> to evolve components, working towards Shimano 8-speed index, enjoying the 
> Gevenalle shifter pods.
>
> Hope this link works.
>
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/v9nhn5sdHzvmHPM58
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