Re: [RBW] Re: Map bar: 80-85%

[rltilley]

I use the GP-1 and GP-2 grips on a number of bikes and they work great for me. 
I used to experience hand numbness at times but haven’t experienced it while 
using the Ergons. I’ve used them on straight bars as well as Jones Loop bars 
which have lots of sweep.

Robert Tilley
San Diego, CA

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> On Mar 1, 2021, at 5:46 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
> 
> 
> Thanks [name]. Another recommendation for hte Ergon grips; I've received 
> several. I will look for these. (If anyone has some to sell, please contact 
> me offlist at bertin seven five three at gee male dot com.
> 
> Thanks for whatbars, too, but the MAP bar is the best of the many "upright" 
> bars I've used; it's just that that pad on my left palm is super sensitive to 
> anything except the hoods or ramp positions on drop bars -- well, I can ride 
> the hooks for 5 miles at a stretch as long as I am careful about how I place 
> my palm, and as long as I don't bear down on it heavily). I will try the 
> Ergpo G-1 grips. As for any future substitutions, I'm not going to play 
> around with more "upright" bars, I'll go back to a drop of some sort.
> 
> I'll be interested in others' opinions and experiences of the G-1 grips, too.
> 
> Were it not for the numbness, the MAPs as set up would be a 95% or even 
> 97.49675% exactly, using more metaphorical numbers. Pure serendipity, but 
> luck prevailed.
> 
>> On Mon, Mar 1, 2021 at 5:35 PM aeroperf  wrote:
>> On my touring bike, I use Soma Osprey bars with Ergon GP-1 grips.
>> 
>> The bars come in 25.4 and 31.8, and are 660mm wide with a 40 degree sweep.
>> They also have a “Clarence” bar, also 660mm, with 34 degree sweep.
>> Either can be cut down to fit and are marked so you can get both sides the 
>> same.  I took 1cm off each end for mine.  Both come in black or silver.
>> 
>> The Ergon GP-1 grips give support to the “ball” of my palm, behind the 
>> thumb.  
>> The outer edge of my palm is kind of unsupported.  This sounds like what you 
>> may need.
>> 
>> For years I rode a hybrid with straight bars and grip shifts.  My right hand 
>> would go numb after ten miles.
>> Then I tried Albatross bars with bar-end shifts.  This took out the 
>> numbness, but the angle felt a little awkward.
>> The Osprey bars are the perfect angle for me for day-in, day-out tours.  I 
>> keep the Albatross bars on my Sam because that whole package just works for 
>> me for 20-30 miles.
>> 
>> Try overlaying on whatbars.com and see what you think.  But it was the GP-1 
>> grips saved me on the straighter bars.
>> 
>> Picture: Osprey bars with Rivendell cork grips to give you an idea of the 
>> geometry.
>> 
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[RBW] Re: Birthday Bike Build and Campout

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

This story was a lot of fun to read. I can’t believe you were out there in 
the snow in your Crocs with plastic bags around your feet. Also, your 
friends are a blend of crazy and awesome. I’ve never bike camped (I’ve 
never been the camping sort) but I almost want to after reading about how 
magical it was to drink coffee in the morning mist.

Happy birthday! (Mine was the 26th - cheers!)
Leah 

On Monday, March 1, 2021 at 4:22:46 PM UTC-8 Tim Baldwin wrote:

> On Monday, March 1, 2021 at 6:21:35 PM UTC-6 Tim Baldwin wrote:
>
>> On Monday, March 1, 2021 at 6:20:13 PM UTC-6 Tim Baldwin wrote:
>>
>>> On Monday, March 1, 2021 at 6:19:26 PM UTC-6 Tim Baldwin wrote:
>>>
 On Monday, March 1, 2021 at 6:18:45 PM UTC-6 Tim Baldwin wrote:

> And now for some pictures...
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Re: [RBW] Re: Map bar: 80-85%

[Patrick Moore]

Peter: Thank you for the offer. My hand is 8" more or less even around the
widest part of the knuckles; will your Larges work for me? I can't imagine
how 1/2" of hand size would make a difference, but I've never tried Ergons.

If you think your Larges will work, I am interested; how much?

Patrick

On Mon, Mar 1, 2021 at 7:02 PM Peter Adler  wrote:

>
> REI carries them; I think every set I ever bought came out of a bin at my
> local store's monthly used gear sale. The REI Outlet and the online UG sale
> have the ones with the sticky-out bar ends, but none of the regular ones.
>
> https://www.rei.com/b/ergon/c/handlebar-grips
>
> I thought they were great, back when I still used flat bars a decade ago.
> I may still have a pair or two left; I'll dive into my parts boxes and see
> what I can find. BTW: Ergon grips come in sizes (S sized for hands
> measuring 6.5 in. - 8.5 in. around at the knuckles; L sized for hands
> measuring 8.5 in. - 10 in. around at the knuckles), so it might be useful
> for us to know your palm size. I wear a 9 glove, and I was right in the
> sweet spot for the L's.
>
> Peter Adler
> who had to mess around with his Noodles for two weeks on his new-build
> Trek 720 before getting them acceptable, or he would have replaced them
> with Maes bars in
> Berkeley, CA/USA
>
> On Monday, March 1, 2021 at 5:46:38 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Thanks [name]. Another recommendation for hte Ergon grips; I've received
>> several. I will look for these. (If anyone has some to sell, please contact
>> me offlist at bertin seven five three at gee male dot com.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Map bar: 80-85%

[Peter Adler]

REI carries them; I think every set I ever bought came out of a bin at my 
local store's monthly used gear sale. The REI Outlet and the online UG sale 
have the ones with the sticky-out bar ends, but none of the regular ones.

https://www.rei.com/b/ergon/c/handlebar-grips

I thought they were great, back when I still used flat bars a decade ago. I 
may still have a pair or two left; I'll dive into my parts boxes and see 
what I can find. BTW: Ergon grips come in sizes (S sized for hands 
measuring 6.5 in. - 8.5 in. around at the knuckles; L sized for hands 
measuring 8.5 in. - 10 in. around at the knuckles), so it might be useful 
for us to know your palm size. I wear a 9 glove, and I was right in the 
sweet spot for the L's.

Peter Adler
who had to mess around with his Noodles for two weeks on his new-build Trek 
720 before getting them acceptable, or he would have replaced them with 
Maes bars in
Berkeley, CA/USA

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> Thanks [name]. Another recommendation for hte Ergon grips; I've received 
> several. I will look for these. (If anyone has some to sell, please contact 
> me offlist at bertin seven five three at gee male dot com.
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Map bar: 80-85%

[Patrick Moore]

Thanks [name]. Another recommendation for hte Ergon grips; I've received
several. I will look for these. (If anyone has some to sell, please contact
me offlist at bertin seven five three at gee male dot com.

Thanks for whatbars, too, but the MAP bar is the best of the many "upright"
bars I've used; it's just that that pad on my left palm is super sensitive
to anything except the hoods or ramp positions on drop bars -- well, I can
ride the hooks for 5 miles at a stretch as long as I am careful about how I
place my palm, and as long as I don't bear down on it heavily). I will try
the Ergpo G-1 grips. As for any future substitutions, I'm not going to play
around with more "upright" bars, I'll go back to a drop of some sort.

I'll be interested in others' opinions and experiences of the G-1 grips,
too.

Were it not for the numbness, the MAPs as set up would be a 95% or even
97.49675% exactly, using more metaphorical numbers. Pure serendipity, but
luck prevailed.

On Mon, Mar 1, 2021 at 5:35 PM aeroperf  wrote:

> On my touring bike, I use Soma Osprey bars with Ergon GP-1 grips.
>
> The bars come in 25.4 and 31.8, and are 660mm wide with a 40 degree sweep.
> They also have a “Clarence” bar, also 660mm, with 34 degree sweep.
> Either can be cut down to fit and are marked so you can get both sides the
> same.  I took 1cm off each end for mine.  Both come in black or silver.
>
> The Ergon GP-1 grips give support to the “ball” of my palm, behind the
> thumb.
> The outer edge of my palm is kind of unsupported.  This sounds like what
> you may need.
>
> For years I rode a hybrid with straight bars and grip shifts.  My right
> hand would go numb after ten miles.
> Then I tried Albatross bars with bar-end shifts.  This took out the
> numbness, but the angle felt a little awkward.
> The Osprey bars are the perfect angle for me for day-in, day-out tours.  I
> keep the Albatross bars on my Sam because that whole package just works for
> me for 20-30 miles.
>
> Try overlaying on whatbars.com and see what you think.  But it was the
> GP-1 grips saved me on the straighter bars.
>
> Picture: Osprey bars with Rivendell cork grips to give you an idea of the
> geometry.
>
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[RBW] Re: FS: 60 cm Cheviot complete, $1750 plus packing and shipping

[Jim S.]

I forgot to include photos!

Here they are.

https://photos.app.goo.gl/tS62RJACDYB3GHqF9

On Monday, March 1, 2021 at 7:12:57 PM UTC-6 Jim S. wrote:

> Let's see, albastache bars, nitto stem, TRP brake levers, Tektro brakes, 
> silver bar-end shifiters, Shimano Deore XT rear derailer, Sugino double-low 
> crankset, MSK pedals, Velo Orange seat post, Brooks B17 saddle, Tubus rear 
> rack, kickstand, dyad rims with shimano hubs, Soma tires, 38 mm,  I think 
> that's about everything. Thanks for looking.

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[RBW] FS: 60 cm Cheviot complete, $1750 plus packing and shipping

[Jim S.]

Let's see, albastache bars, nitto stem, TRP brake levers, Tektro brakes, 
silver bar-end shifiters, Shimano Deore XT rear derailer, Sugino double-low 
crankset, MSK pedals, Velo Orange seat post, Brooks B17 saddle, Tubus rear 
rack, kickstand, dyad rims with shimano hubs, Soma tires, 38 mm,  I think 
that's about everything. Thanks for looking.

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[RBW] Birthday Bike Build and Campout

[Tim Baldwin]

In early February, I decided to pull the trigger on a Susie frame for my 
birthday. Doing my taxes early and the seeing number of frames dwindle made 
the decision for me. My federal tax return was almost exactly the cost of a 
shipped Susie frame. I wasn't sure how backed up Riv was with shipping 
frames, so originally I planned to take my time to collect parts and build 
it up. I then talked to Will on the phone and he said the frame would ship 
out in a few days. Once I heard that, I started to think I could get the 
bike built up by my birthday on February 28. Not only that, but I had a 
campsite booked for 2/27. I could ride my new bike to my birthday campout! 

After that, it was on! I scrambled to figure out all the parts I had on 
hand and what I would need to order. Considering this would be my birthday 
bike, I decided to go all out on the parts. I wanted to really deck it out 
right away. The frame showed up on the 15th and I had the bike mostly built 
up in the first week. I was trying to be patient waiting for USPS to 
deliver the last few parts. However, they are super backed up right now. I 
have packages that landed in Chicago Feb. 14/15 and are still undelivered. 
In the end, I made a couple audibles to get the bike built up in time. I 
worked all Friday evening and got up at 5am on Saturday to finish the build 
and pack. With the early start, I even had time to tape the bars with 
various ends of Newbaums. Here's how the build I ended up:

Wheels: I was planning on building wheels but found a set of Cliffhangers 
laced to Deore hubs for $220 shipped. They came taped for tubeless and I 
was able to get the tires seated up first try. Hard to beat that deal. I 
would like to build up a dynamo wheel soon.
Tires: Schwalbe G-One Allround 27.5 x 2.25
Cassette: 9 speed Shimano 12-36 
Rear derailleur: Altus for now, still waiting on USPS to deliver an XT 
rapid rise.
Crankset: Silver two piece with 38t Raceface ring. No front derailleur for 
now but I am going to switch to a 36/22 in the future. I want to find a 
cool vintage derailleur for the front.
Pedals: Blue Lug panda pedals. Cute and they feel great!
Seatpost: Nitto S83
Saddle: Brooks Flyer special
Stem: 85mm Riv/Nitto fillet brazed 31.8. Had this on my Atlantis but wanted 
a shorter stem for that bike.
Bars: 31.8 Tosco. I put 55cm Boscos at first but those felt so narrow when 
I sat on the bike. The Tosco showed up in the nick of time Friday Feb. 26.
Shifter: Suntour barcon. This shifter has been on multiple bikes and is 
always a joy to use.
Brakes: Paul touring cantilevers with stock straddle cable hangers. I have 
cool old Dia Compe roller straddle cable hangers that I'm still waiting for 
USPS to deliver.
I used a Paul Funky monkey in front and a Surly cable hanger for the rear.
Brake levers: some Origin8s for now. Waiting for some Pauls.
Rear rack/bag: Nitto R14 with a large saddlesack
Front rack: Riv/Nitto basket rack with Wald 137
Lights: Blue Lug copper Koma
Bottle cages: a Widefoot liter cage, a King anything cage, and a side entry 
one I got in a trade
Stem bags: a Roadrunner Auto-Pilot (huge), a Blue Lug stem bag, and an XS 
saddlesack for tools and various odds n ends
Pump: Zefal frame pump

Once I had the bike built up, it was time to take it on a test ride. The 
campsite at Bullfrog Lake in Palos Woods is about 25 miles from my house in 
Chicago/Logan Square. For the ride portion, I was able to get my friend and 
Gus owner Joseph to come along. I had a couple other people interested but 
they bailed. It's surprisingly hard to get people on board for camping in 
late February in Chicago. Anyway, the weather was great on Saturday with 
temperatures getting into the 50s. We left around 1pm and were at the 
campsite by around 5pm. We took a couple breaks and made a couple wrong 
turns, which is my kind of riding. We navigated mostly by memory and a 
paper map but consulted the phone when it looked like we were getting onto 
a highway. 

The campsite was snowy and sloppy. Joseph wisely wore Bogs but I only had 
Vans and Crocs. I made due by wearing two pairs of wool socks, plastic 
bags, waterproof mittens and Crocs on my feet. We borrowed a shovel from 
our neighbors and cleared and packed down a spot for our tents. Next, 
Joseph went and got some firewood from the camp store. I scooped and 
cleared the fire pit the best I could. For almost an hour, we did all we 
could to get the wet campground firewood to catch. We used firestarters, 
matches, alcohol soaked pieces of cloth, leaves, and whatever else we could 
find. We were about out of stuff to burn when my friend Tom showed up. He 
lives nearby and was just coming to hang by the fire. Not only did he bring 
dry firewood but hot dogs, tater tots and chocolate as well! Joseph and I 
are usually pretty good about packing food but this time not so much. We 
were hungry and starting to get cold at this point. Thanks for saving the 
day Tom! With the dry wood, we got the fire 

[RBW] Re: FS: Basically new MUSA Pants/BYK-R-SLAX, size XL, $60

[Jeremy Till]

Pants are sold.

-Jeremy Till
Sacramento, CA

On Sunday, February 28, 2021 at 9:34:16 AM UTC-8 Jeremy Till wrote:

> For sale is one pair of the current Rivendell/MUSA Pants, now renamed 
> BYK-R-SLAX, size XL, as described here: 
>
> https://www.rivbike.com/collections/clothing/products/musa-pants
>
> I'd been curious to try these out for a long time so ordered a pair when 
> they were recently restocked, but it turns out they're not for me. 
> Unpacked, worn for a hike, then washed. Pics of the actual pants here: 
>
> https://flic.kr/s/aHsmUyqJNk
>
> Asking $60, plus actual shipping if we're doing that. I'm located in 
> Sacramento, CA and would also do a local sale, and could probably drop them 
> off in the East Bay next weekend (3/6-7).  
>
> -Jeremy Till
> Sacramento, CA
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Front pannier rack for Appaloosa

[dougP]

If you know a frame builder, you can just install a tube thru the fork 
legs, likely similar to your Surly.  This is what I did on my Atlantis & it 
works great with a Tubus Duo.  Mine has worked well for a number of years & 
many fully loaded tours.  The guy who did mine was a hobbyist, not a pro, 
and I touched up the paint damage with Testor's modeling paint.  Crude, but 
serviceable.  

*Note that this method is specifically NOT RECOMMENDED BY RIVENDELL!  *

dougP
On Monday, March 1, 2021 at 1:57:19 PM UTC-8 rcn...@hotmail.com wrote:

> I had an Old Man Mountain Sherpa mounted on my Clem when I had it.  Very 
> secure.
>
> Ryan
>
> On Monday, March 1, 2021 at 8:13:41 AM UTC-8 Keith Weaver wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>> I may soon be buying a Joe Appaloosa, and I'm wondering about using it as 
>> a loaded touring bike. It sounds like the bike should work well for that 
>> purpose, but the fork's upper eyelets seem a bit problematic. 
>>
>> I have a Surly Disc Trucker with the Tubus Duo pannier rack, it's been a 
>> great setup for me. It looks like the Appaloosa fork has only one set of 
>> upper eyelets, which are too high for the Duo rack. The only simple, 
>> elegant front pannier rack I've seen that would work with those upper 
>> eyelets is the Nitto Mark's hub area rack (with hoop). That rack is sold 
>> out, and I guess there was a recent batch in stock that sold out very fast.
>>
>> I could mount the Tubus Tara rack or similar using clamp on eyelets, but 
>> I'd like to avoid those clamps if at all possible. Does anyone have 
>> recommendations on other rack options, or a hub area rack they would sell, 
>> or comments that I shouldn't do this at all?
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Keith
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Map bar: 80-85%

[Patrick Moore]

I think I have, to no avail, but since I am not sure, might try them
(again). Thanks.

On Mon, Mar 1, 2021 at 4:08 PM dougP  wrote:

> Have you tried Ergon grips?  The extra width spreads the load over a
> larger area of your hand.
>
> doug P
>
> On Monday, March 1, 2021 at 2:46:21 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Taking the Maes Parallel in 38 to 42 widths as the 100% benchmark:
>>
>> The new bar puts my hands at just the right angle at the ends, and the
>> curves are very nice for cruising. The width (61 versus the 57 I thought
>> might be better but which doesn't come in 31.8) is also very nice, tho' it
>> does feel a bit too close; but then again, closer means slightly more
>> upright, so a tradeoff, call it even.
>>
>> Con: Like just about any bar except drop bars it hurts my very sensitive
>> left palm -- the outer pad. I have to conscientiously move my hand around
>> every few minutes, and basically find different ways to hang the outside of
>> the palm off the bar, either inside or outside. That was easier with the
>> original mtb bar.
>>
>> I can go about 15 miles before my palm starts tingling too much and
>> starts going numb.
>>
>> Overall: I think this wins by a few points; must try it more. Eventually,
>> I think I'll try the Dajia Far bar: 44 cm at hoods, so not horribly wide.
>>
>> Patrick "the numbers are metaphors, not measurements" Moore
>>
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[RBW] Re: FS 56 MUSA Atlantis 650b Great Condition

[dougP]

Not in the market (I already have a 58 cm Atlantis) but a couple of 
questions come to mind that potential buyers may ask.  Cassette? (range & 
how many speeds?) Chainring sizes?  Brakes? Hubs? Tires?  The Atlantis has 
evolved a lot over the last few years, so listing the chainstay length may 
be helpful.  

Best of luck in finding it a new home.  An Atlantis needs to be ridden.  

dougP

On Monday, March 1, 2021 at 10:27:58 AM UTC-8 Jonathan D. wrote:

> I decided I have too many bikes and need to sell at least one.  This is a 
> really nice, great condition, typical Rivendell build.  This is a MUSA 
> Atlantis, 650 B, size 56.  My PBH is 85.5 and I fit.  It might be a little 
> small.  I was planning on keep the racks, but happy to consider including.  
>
> These bikes are hard to know what they are worth.  I am not in a rush to 
> sell but wanted to put it out there.  I am asking for $2500 plus shipping. 
> I will have it professionally packaged.  I am happy to answer questions.
>
> https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B0ZGf693ZgcrSx
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[RBW] Re: Map bar: 80-85%

[dougP]

Have you tried Ergon grips?  The extra width spreads the load over a larger 
area of your hand.  

doug P

On Monday, March 1, 2021 at 2:46:21 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Taking the Maes Parallel in 38 to 42 widths as the 100% benchmark:
>
> The new bar puts my hands at just the right angle at the ends, and the 
> curves are very nice for cruising. The width (61 versus the 57 I thought 
> might be better but which doesn't come in 31.8) is also very nice, tho' it 
> does feel a bit too close; but then again, closer means slightly more 
> upright, so a tradeoff, call it even.
>
> Con: Like just about any bar except drop bars it hurts my very sensitive 
> left palm -- the outer pad. I have to conscientiously move my hand around 
> every few minutes, and basically find different ways to hang the outside of 
> the palm off the bar, either inside or outside. That was easier with the 
> original mtb bar.
>
> I can go about 15 miles before my palm starts tingling too much and starts 
> going numb.
>
> Overall: I think this wins by a few points; must try it more. Eventually, 
> I think I'll try the Dajia Far bar: 44 cm at hoods, so not horribly wide.
>
> Patrick "the numbers are metaphors, not measurements" Moore
>
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>
> ---
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> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: To My Platypus People!

[Joe Bernard]

"refresh"

Including me and I'm not even getting one. I've never been so excited for a 
thing I'm not involved in in my life! 

On Monday, March 1, 2021 at 1:59:07 PM UTC-8 Robert Tilley wrote:

> So everyone here will be like this on the day these go live:
>
> [image: Refresh.gif]
>
> Robert Tilley
> San Diego, CA
>
> On Mon, Mar 1, 2021 at 1:15 PM Jason Fuller  wrote:
>
>> I think just letting everyone purchase via the website when they go live 
>> is the fairest option, so I support Riv in that decision, even though 
>> unfortunately the timing isn't going to work for everyone.  Hopefully they 
>> respond to the demand with a second batch ASAP for those who miss out, 
>> though!  Pre-orders would be really nice, but I don't think they work as 
>> well in reality as they seem like they would, since there are so many 
>> unknowns until the frames arrive and they don't want to have frustrated 
>> preorder-ers, even if it helps cashflow. 
>>
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[RBW] Re: Front pannier rack for Appaloosa

[Ryan Nute]

I had an Old Man Mountain Sherpa mounted on my Clem when I had it.  Very 
secure.

Ryan

On Monday, March 1, 2021 at 8:13:41 AM UTC-8 Keith Weaver wrote:

> Hi all,
> I may soon be buying a Joe Appaloosa, and I'm wondering about using it as 
> a loaded touring bike. It sounds like the bike should work well for that 
> purpose, but the fork's upper eyelets seem a bit problematic. 
>
> I have a Surly Disc Trucker with the Tubus Duo pannier rack, it's been a 
> great setup for me. It looks like the Appaloosa fork has only one set of 
> upper eyelets, which are too high for the Duo rack. The only simple, 
> elegant front pannier rack I've seen that would work with those upper 
> eyelets is the Nitto Mark's hub area rack (with hoop). That rack is sold 
> out, and I guess there was a recent batch in stock that sold out very fast.
>
> I could mount the Tubus Tara rack or similar using clamp on eyelets, but 
> I'd like to avoid those clamps if at all possible. Does anyone have 
> recommendations on other rack options, or a hub area rack they would sell, 
> or comments that I shouldn't do this at all?
>
> Cheers,
> Keith
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: To My Platypus People!

[Jason Fuller]

I think just letting everyone purchase via the website when they go live is 
the fairest option, so I support Riv in that decision, even though 
unfortunately the timing isn't going to work for everyone.  Hopefully they 
respond to the demand with a second batch ASAP for those who miss out, 
though!  Pre-orders would be really nice, but I don't think they work as 
well in reality as they seem like they would, since there are so many 
unknowns until the frames arrive and they don't want to have frustrated 
preorder-ers, even if it helps cashflow.

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Re: [RBW] Re: To My Platypus People!

[Leah Peterson]

The excitement over this mixte is dizzying. I love it. And I love the sign up 
sheet. So cool!

I don’t ever remember this kind of anticipation for a new model! Am I biased?
Leah

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> On Mar 1, 2021, at 1:05 PM, Tom Wyland  wrote:
> 
> OK, I did a thing.   Add your name/size to the list if you'd like.  How many 
> people on this thread are buying?
> 
> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1jG8avmUgfvc3r7DpisHaSnLZAhSDucLecwWe5rCKEYk/edit?usp=sharing
> 
> 
> 
>> On Monday, March 1, 2021 at 3:53:36 PM UTC-5 Tom Wyland wrote:
>> Yeah, I called too and was told to wait.  Maybe we should just create a 
>> google dock and see if our intended purchase quantities exceed their supply. 
>>  I'm hoping I'm the only one who wants a 55 Limeolive :)
>> 
>> Tom
>> 
>> 
>>> On Monday, March 1, 2021 at 3:45:47 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>> Oops. I suspect that cat's outta the bag (I need to look up the origins of 
>>> that phrase) and they've shut down the unofficial pre-order pipeline. "The 
>>> phone won't stop ringing!" 
>>> 
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Re: [RBW] Re: To My Platypus People!

[Tom Wyland]

OK, I did a thing.   Add your name/size to the list if you'd like.  How 
many people on this thread are buying?

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1jG8avmUgfvc3r7DpisHaSnLZAhSDucLecwWe5rCKEYk/edit?usp=sharing



On Monday, March 1, 2021 at 3:53:36 PM UTC-5 Tom Wyland wrote:

> Yeah, I called too and was told to wait.  Maybe we should just create a 
> google dock and see if our intended purchase quantities exceed their 
> supply.  I'm hoping I'm the only one who wants a 55 Limeolive :)
>
> Tom
>
>
> On Monday, March 1, 2021 at 3:45:47 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Oops. I suspect that cat's outta the bag (I need to look up the origins 
>> of that phrase) and they've shut down the unofficial pre-order pipeline. 
>> "The phone won't stop ringing!" 
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: To My Platypus People!

[Tom Wyland]

Yeah, I called too and was told to wait.  Maybe we should just create a 
google dock and see if our intended purchase quantities exceed their 
supply.  I'm hoping I'm the only one who wants a 55 Limeolive :)

Tom

On Monday, March 1, 2021 at 3:45:47 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Oops. I suspect that cat's outta the bag (I need to look up the origins of 
> that phrase) and they've shut down the unofficial pre-order pipeline. "The 
> phone won't stop ringing!" 
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: To My Platypus People!

[Joe Bernard]

Oops. I suspect that cat's outta the bag (I need to look up the origins of 
that phrase) and they've shut down the unofficial pre-order pipeline. "The 
phone won't stop ringing!" 


On Monday, March 1, 2021 at 11:44:18 AM UTC-8 Max S wrote:

> Congrats, Joyce! 
>
> I inquired by phone this morning if I could just pay for one now, but was 
> told that there ain't no such possibility until the frames are actually 
> there "in a couple of weeks." I didn't press the issue. 
>
> If anyone's got a Mustard Clem L in 52cm size to get rid of, ping me. 
>
> - Max "I thought I had good phone manners, but..." in A2 
>
> On Thursday, February 25, 2021 at 10:16:49 PM UTC-5 JAS wrote:
>
>> I called Rivendell today, Grant answered the phone and I expressed my 
>> sincere desire to get a Platypus and my worry that I’d miss out.  I asked 
>> how I could make sure I got one and then this happened.he took my 
>> credit card info right then and there for a frame of the size and color I 
>> want.  YES!  Blue/green (sea foam green?), size 55cm.  Happy birthday to 
>> me!  I won’t be riding it until long after my birthday, but it will always 
>> be my birthday bike.
>>
>> So if you’re like me and can’t wait to get this process rolling, make the 
>> call with your credit card in hand.  Grant said it helps to demonstrate 
>> some bit of angst about making sure to get a frame (which apparently I did 
>> in my opening comments to him).  You don’t have to beg, just show your 
>> interest.  Good luck!
>>
>> #RivSisters Forever!
>> —Joyce
>>
>> On Thursday, February 25, 2021 at 2:22:43 AM UTC-8 ascpgh wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I guess this is the modern version of what I experienced after going all 
>>> in for an orange Rambouillet. I had a hard date (May 5, 2002) in Yorktown, 
>>> VA where I was meeting three others to ride across the country. We'd 
>>> planned for about a year and as I got serious, so did my concern for the 
>>> fit of my Bridgestone RB--1 and days of 8-12 hour riding.
>>>
>>> I sought Grant's insight for fit advice and  possibly a custom but the 
>>> Riv queue was longer. than my calendar. He mentioned a bike about to join 
>>> to the Atlantis as a stock model with some French audax design inspiration 
>>> that addressed some of my fit issues and sounded right for my needs. I 
>>> bought in on a complete build and began the test of patience as I called 
>>> for updates and learned about bare frame shipments, checking and prepping 
>>> for paint, the whole finishing process in bulk and arrival of such finished 
>>> stock to a small business who manually preps and builds bikes to then ship 
>>> to paid customers. 
>>>
>>> This up front example of a new model information frees up the phones and 
>>> the pandemic constrained personnel doing the work at Rivendell. I can't 
>>> imagine the amount of effort necessary to keep all of us up to date, 
>>> mindfully informed and satisfied with the clarity that they insist upon for 
>>> everything else they are doing. I would think that each inquiring phone 
>>> call would be almost as detail requisite as each actual sale and the energy 
>>> that could be building bikes and physically moving endeavors forward would 
>>> pale to their interest in meeting they concerned customers' questions about 
>>> incoming goods. 
>>>
>>> I had great assistance from Grant et al when I chose my Rambouillet, I 
>>> think I used an inordinate amount of their time following up on the process 
>>> prior to it shipping to me painted, prepped and ready to ride. I think this 
>>> has been a nice information forward process throughout.
>>>
>>> Andy Cheatham
>>> Pittsburgh
>>> On Wednesday, February 24, 2021 at 3:43:45 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>>> Ding! wrote:
>>>
 You know what I want to know? What happens next. 

 It seems to me that with this Platypus we have been let in on the 
 secret workings of things at Rivendell. I haven’t been around as long as 
 many of you, but I don’t remember being let behind the scenes like we have 
 been with this model. 

 We started with the drawings of the Anniversary Mixte, which then 
 morphed into a “fancy Cheviot” which then became the Platypus. It was an 
 interesting evolution, and fun to speculate over. Until this bike, I 
 didn’t 
 know what color tubes were, but Will is holding them in the sunlight in 
 Blilver and Limolive on the product page and now we know how Rivendell 
 judges color samples. We were provided the tracking for the cargo ship, 
 the 
 Unicorn, so we could watch the bikes’ arrival to American shores. 
 And...now 
 what happens next?

 The ship is “at anchor” near LA. Does it have to sit out in the harbor 
 until it takes its turn at the dock? Who fetches the cargo? UPS? How long 
 does it take for cargo to make its way to Walnut Creek? And when it 
 arrives, how soon can it be sorted and sent out to PlatyPeople? 

 Leah

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Re: [RBW] Mixte vs Diamond Frame

['upyou...@yahoo.com' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Hi Linda,
That sounds like fine gearing to me.  I have a Jamis Coda hybrid bike that 
is a triple 28/38/48  with a 11-32 cassette.  I'm in the middle/middle most 
of the time but use the low gearing for sure when loaded or on hills.  
My road bike is a Shimano 9 speed 30/42/53 and I use the lowest granny 
gears for the long hills here. 

Hi Shoji,
Thanks for your input.  I will look at my current set up to be sure what I 
have.  
cheers,
Kate

On Monday, March 1, 2021 at 1:42:10 PM UTC-5 Linda G wrote:

> Kate,
> I like a 42/26 compact double in front and an 11-32 cassette.  I can 
> go up steep hills in a sitting position and I have plenty of high gears, 
> never using the outermost cogs on the cassette. At first it was a little 
> embarrassing to think I needed such low gears but I quickly got over it. 
> The gearing was never right for me on production bikes I had in the past. 
> This is the combo I run on my two diamond frame bikes. I'm thinking of 
> redoing my mixte from a triple to a 1x system. The mixte is mostly for 
> around town and I don't climb steep hills. I like the simplest possible 
> solution. There are cassettes that go lower than 32 so maybe you could opt 
> for a 1x with Riv's advice.
> Linda
>
> On Monday, March 1, 2021 at 8:52:21 AM UTC-8 upyou...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>> Thanks Tim and Joe for the shifting info and crank pics.  I'm just not 
>> sure what way to go with the new Platy.  I will ask for help from Riv HQ on 
>> this since I don't know.  I think with a Losco bar I will go with thumb 
>> shifters.  Haven't firmed up if I should go 1x11 or compact double.  I ride 
>> in flat areas but can also tackle some steep hills here in Central NJ and 
>> Bucks County PA.  I would like to have low enough gearing for that.  On my 
>> road bike, I rarely use the big ring and don't pedal down hill.  I'm just 
>> trying to control my speed mostly and keep it safe with my eye out for 
>> deer and critters crossing the road.  
>> Kate
>>
>> On Thursday, February 25, 2021 at 4:50:40 PM UTC-5 Tim Baldwin wrote:
>>
>>> Kate, if you're friction curious, Riv has Microshift thumb shifters or 
>>> Shimano bar end shifters that can switch between friction and index. Then 
>>> you can try both and see which you prefer. I like friction front and rear 
>>> myself.
>>> Joe, dig the reverse shifters. Gotta do what works for you.
>>>
>>> On Thursday, February 25, 2021 at 2:55:49 PM UTC-6 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
 To wrap up my story and possibly amuse anyone who thinks I have the 
 weirdest FrankenShifting ever, here's the shifter. It's a Silver downtube 
 lever on a Paul Thumbie mounted on the right side (arthritis reasons I 
 won't bore anyone with again, most of you have heard it). Enjoy the weird! 

 On Thursday, February 25, 2021 at 12:09:36 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Front indexing works well if you have the exact match of shifter, 
> derailleur and cranks and not at all if one of those pieces doesn't fit. 
> For instance my Rivendell Custom has a Sugino triple with 24-36-44 rings 
> and a Campagnolo triple front derailleur. This works for me but there's 
> no 
> chance I could find a front index shifter to shift it, plus friction 
> shifting front rings is very easy: It's only two or three rings and I can 
> see what the derailleur is doing as I'm moving the lever. I don't have 
> the 
> same "easy" experience with the rear so I go index there. *
>
> * No shade on folks who like front index and can live with the 
> matching bits it requires. Ride what you like! 
>
> On Thursday, February 25, 2021 at 7:49:36 AM UTC-8 upyou...@yahoo.com 
> wrote:
>
>> HI Joe, 
>> Thank you for the warm welcome.  I appreciate your input as I am just 
>> getting started and will have to make this decision for sure.  I am only 
>> use to rapid fire thumb shifters on my hybrid and brifters on my road 
>> bike.  I don't know anything about friction shifting so I'm not sure if 
>> this is for me.  Why didn't you use them for front and back?
>> Kate
>> Trenton, NJ
>>
>> *upyou...@yahoo.com*
>> *Kate Gilson*
>> [image: Image Preview]
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, February 24, 2021, 08:48:10 PM EST, Joe Bernard <
>> joer...@gmail.com> wrote: 
>>
>>
>> Hi Kate, welcome to the Riv Show ‍♂️
>>
>> I think you'll love that gorgeous Platypus, it's the business! You 
>> can't go wrong with most of Riv's suggestions for parts, but the 
>> indexing/friction shifter conundrum may come up and I don't know what 
>> you're using on your road and trail bikes (and you may already know what 
>> you want and my advice is moot). Friction front is great, but Riv is 
>> also a 
>> big propronent of friction rear, as are many of its riders. I am not 
>> that 
>> person, I need clicky shifts for the rear derailleur. My 
>> 

[RBW] Re: WTB: silver rear hub, 32h, 135mm, 11spd (or 8-10) (Velo Orange, Shimano, White, others)

[Pancake]

Thanks for all the responses!

I found out that Riv has the FH-T610 ($30) and FH-T670 
 
($60) which is now the most affordable and easy option I've got. Thanks 
Rich! *I'm still hoping someone has another VO or Bitex or White Industries 
(or similar) that they want to sell second hand - I guess I want some of 
the fanciness without all the original cost ... anyone?*

*Bitex* - This is suddenly a great option as a middle ground between 
Shimano T670 / T610 and the fancier stuff. I couldn't find the right option 
at first, but it looks like the *BX106R 
 would work (though with 
a centerlock attachment* but that's good for having options later I suppose 
- it doesn't stand out visually either). I see a price of $119.95 in my 
cart from bikehubstore.com, though the website text says "$109.95" for 
Black or Silver (emailed them about that). Free shipping too! I had assumed 
I could only find these at Analog and at a higher price, so this is great 
news and *my current plan/choice*.
For future reference, the rim brake only Bitex hub is BX101R with the 135mm 
x 10mm axle and 10/11 speed Shimano freehub body. 
There's also a bolt on disc model, MTR12, that would work hypothetically, 
but I'm trying to avoid the bolt on as it would look a bit odd without a 
disc on it.

*11 speed optional* - only really interested in an 11 speed hub because it 
would be compatible with 9 speed (when including a spacer behind the 
cassette) and would also potentially be available on a 11 speed cassette in 
the future (should I ever go 1x11 which doesn't seem likely for years to 
come, but still, I like having options I guess). Good tips on compatibility 
of different cassettes on these hub bodies though!

*Grand Bois* - beautiful but I think only available in 126mm or 130mm width 
(I need 135mm).

Shimano XTR FH-M910 on ebay 

 
for $65 just listed too. I think these are from the mid or late 90's? 
Interesting and polished option.

Thanks for the excellent info and suggestions! Planning on buying that 
Bitex BX106r from bikehubstore, I guess I'll get the butted (2.0-1.8-2.0) 
spokes and some brass nipples there too. 

Now onto the front wheel I suppose: Kasai Dynacoil RB F Q/R Hub, 9x100mm, 
32h - Hi Polish . The polished 
version doesn't seem to be available at Rivendell so looking to order from 
Bikeman.com for $133. 

So I think I end up with an all polished / silver wheelset for a reasonable 
price! 

   - Front: 
  - Hub: Kasai polished 32h dynamo ($133)
  - Rim: Velo Orange Voyager 700c 32h (2 for $110)
  - Spokes: DT Swiss double butted competition (64 for $64)
  - Nipples: DT Swiss brass 12mm (64 for $8)
  - Rim tape laying around (Orange Seal or Velocity)
   - Rear:
  - Hub: Bitex BX106r 32h 10/11 speed silver ($110)
  - Rim, spokes, nipples same as above.
   
Total cost: $435.

Then will likely add tubeless sealant and valves, hopefully Snoqualmie Pass 
or G-One 45mm Allround or speed tires. Should take me where I want to go 
tubed or tubeless. 

Still open to suggestions, advice, tips, or any of those items for sale 
second hand.

Take care,
Abe


On Monday, 1 March 2021 at 06:39:25 UTC-8 Huston wrote:

> Abe,
>
> One other nice option that checks your boxes: Grand Bois.  You can order 
> through Jitensha (https://www.jitensha.com/eng/hubs.html) or Grand Bois.
>
> Huston
> Lexington, KY
>
> On Sunday, February 28, 2021 at 11:51:27 AM UTC-5 Pancake wrote:
>
>> I have a couple Velo Orange Voyager rims (700c, 32h) that I want to build 
>> up. Plan to use rim brakes, but a center lock hub would be okay too. Open 
>> to other ideas and suggestions too.
>>
>> *Hubs I'm looking for in particular (32h, silver or polished):*
>> Shimano FH-T670 
>> ,
>>  
>> (this is my preferred hub, but impossible to find so far), FH-T610 (this 
>> seems the most common but can't ben found in silver anywhere), or similar.
>> Velo Orange Rear Cassette Hub 
>>  in 
>> silver.
>> White Industries MI5 
>> 
>>
>> More details in case you have a different hub that might work too:
>>
>> *11 speed hub, but 8-10 speed okay too*: I plan to use a 9 speed 
>> cassette, but I would like to use a 11 speed hub (I understand you can add 
>> a small spacer behind the cassette to make the 11 speed hub work with a 8, 
>> 9, or 10 speed cassette). 
>>
>> *32 hole* to match my rims.
>>
>> *Silver or polished* - I'd like to keep everything as silver as 
>> possible. 
>>
>> Will use rim brakes, but if there's 

Re: [RBW] Front pannier rack for Appaloosa

[Bill Lindsay]

Michael indicated that the Nitto 34F does not line up with the eyelets, 
which is true

The correct setup for a 34F on an Appaloosa is to position the rack level, 
and then connect the diagonal slot to the eyelet with a very short set of 
Nitto struts and eyebolts.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Monday, March 1, 2021 at 11:32:57 AM UTC-8 Michael Morrissey wrote:

> The Nitto 34F does not line up with the eyelets. I have one and it doesn't 
> look good on my Appaloosa. Don't buy it. Get the 27F instead, like Bill 
> said. I think that one lines up better.
>
> m
>
>
> On Monday, March 1, 2021 at 12:02:40 PM UTC-5 Steven Sweedler wrote:
>
>> Keith, I used a Bruce  Gordon low rider rack on my All Rounder (700C) and 
>> Hunq, I would hang the rack from the mid fork point and make a short 
>> adaptor of stainless rack strut to secure at the drop out. Because my older 
>> BG had a blind female mount, I thought this better than the original 
>> method. Steve
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 1, 2021 at 8:13 AM Keith Weaver  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>> I may soon be buying a Joe Appaloosa, and I'm wondering about using it 
>>> as a loaded touring bike. It sounds like the bike should work well for that 
>>> purpose, but the fork's upper eyelets seem a bit problematic. 
>>>
>>> I have a Surly Disc Trucker with the Tubus Duo pannier rack, it's been a 
>>> great setup for me. It looks like the Appaloosa fork has only one set of 
>>> upper eyelets, which are too high for the Duo rack. The only simple, 
>>> elegant front pannier rack I've seen that would work with those upper 
>>> eyelets is the Nitto Mark's hub area rack (with hoop). That rack is sold 
>>> out, and I guess there was a recent batch in stock that sold out very fast.
>>>
>>> I could mount the Tubus Tara rack or similar using clamp on eyelets, but 
>>> I'd like to avoid those clamps if at all possible. Does anyone have 
>>> recommendations on other rack options, or a hub area rack they would sell, 
>>> or comments that I shouldn't do this at all?
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Keith
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: To My Platypus People!

[Max S]

Congrats, Joyce! 

I inquired by phone this morning if I could just pay for one now, but was 
told that there ain't no such possibility until the frames are actually 
there "in a couple of weeks." I didn't press the issue. 

If anyone's got a Mustard Clem L in 52cm size to get rid of, ping me. 

- Max "I thought I had good phone manners, but..." in A2 

On Thursday, February 25, 2021 at 10:16:49 PM UTC-5 JAS wrote:

> I called Rivendell today, Grant answered the phone and I expressed my 
> sincere desire to get a Platypus and my worry that I’d miss out.  I asked 
> how I could make sure I got one and then this happened.he took my 
> credit card info right then and there for a frame of the size and color I 
> want.  YES!  Blue/green (sea foam green?), size 55cm.  Happy birthday to 
> me!  I won’t be riding it until long after my birthday, but it will always 
> be my birthday bike.
>
> So if you’re like me and can’t wait to get this process rolling, make the 
> call with your credit card in hand.  Grant said it helps to demonstrate 
> some bit of angst about making sure to get a frame (which apparently I did 
> in my opening comments to him).  You don’t have to beg, just show your 
> interest.  Good luck!
>
> #RivSisters Forever!
> —Joyce
>
> On Thursday, February 25, 2021 at 2:22:43 AM UTC-8 ascpgh wrote:
>
>>
>> I guess this is the modern version of what I experienced after going all 
>> in for an orange Rambouillet. I had a hard date (May 5, 2002) in Yorktown, 
>> VA where I was meeting three others to ride across the country. We'd 
>> planned for about a year and as I got serious, so did my concern for the 
>> fit of my Bridgestone RB--1 and days of 8-12 hour riding.
>>
>> I sought Grant's insight for fit advice and  possibly a custom but the 
>> Riv queue was longer. than my calendar. He mentioned a bike about to join 
>> to the Atlantis as a stock model with some French audax design inspiration 
>> that addressed some of my fit issues and sounded right for my needs. I 
>> bought in on a complete build and began the test of patience as I called 
>> for updates and learned about bare frame shipments, checking and prepping 
>> for paint, the whole finishing process in bulk and arrival of such finished 
>> stock to a small business who manually preps and builds bikes to then ship 
>> to paid customers. 
>>
>> This up front example of a new model information frees up the phones and 
>> the pandemic constrained personnel doing the work at Rivendell. I can't 
>> imagine the amount of effort necessary to keep all of us up to date, 
>> mindfully informed and satisfied with the clarity that they insist upon for 
>> everything else they are doing. I would think that each inquiring phone 
>> call would be almost as detail requisite as each actual sale and the energy 
>> that could be building bikes and physically moving endeavors forward would 
>> pale to their interest in meeting they concerned customers' questions about 
>> incoming goods. 
>>
>> I had great assistance from Grant et al when I chose my Rambouillet, I 
>> think I used an inordinate amount of their time following up on the process 
>> prior to it shipping to me painted, prepped and ready to ride. I think this 
>> has been a nice information forward process throughout.
>>
>> Andy Cheatham
>> Pittsburgh
>> On Wednesday, February 24, 2021 at 3:43:45 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>> Ding! wrote:
>>
>>> You know what I want to know? What happens next. 
>>>
>>> It seems to me that with this Platypus we have been let in on the secret 
>>> workings of things at Rivendell. I haven’t been around as long as many of 
>>> you, but I don’t remember being let behind the scenes like we have been 
>>> with this model. 
>>>
>>> We started with the drawings of the Anniversary Mixte, which then 
>>> morphed into a “fancy Cheviot” which then became the Platypus. It was an 
>>> interesting evolution, and fun to speculate over. Until this bike, I didn’t 
>>> know what color tubes were, but Will is holding them in the sunlight in 
>>> Blilver and Limolive on the product page and now we know how Rivendell 
>>> judges color samples. We were provided the tracking for the cargo ship, the 
>>> Unicorn, so we could watch the bikes’ arrival to American shores. And...now 
>>> what happens next?
>>>
>>> The ship is “at anchor” near LA. Does it have to sit out in the harbor 
>>> until it takes its turn at the dock? Who fetches the cargo? UPS? How long 
>>> does it take for cargo to make its way to Walnut Creek? And when it 
>>> arrives, how soon can it be sorted and sent out to PlatyPeople? 
>>>
>>> Leah
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>> On Feb 23, 2021, at 9:16 AM, Ride for Fun  wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> From Taiwan to Japan is a lot faster & easier than to the US.  
>>>
>>> On Tue, Feb 23, 2021 at 1:08 AM Michael Baquerizo  
>>> wrote:
>>>
 As a product person - it's wild that Blue Lug is getting these frames 
 and releasing them into the wild before Riv has a chance 

Re: [RBW] Front pannier rack for Appaloosa

[Michael Morrissey]

The Nitto 34F does not line up with the eyelets. I have one and it doesn't 
look good on my Appaloosa. Don't buy it. Get the 27F instead, like Bill 
said. I think that one lines up better.

m


On Monday, March 1, 2021 at 12:02:40 PM UTC-5 Steven Sweedler wrote:

> Keith, I used a Bruce  Gordon low rider rack on my All Rounder (700C) and 
> Hunq, I would hang the rack from the mid fork point and make a short 
> adaptor of stainless rack strut to secure at the drop out. Because my older 
> BG had a blind female mount, I thought this better than the original 
> method. Steve
>
> On Mon, Mar 1, 2021 at 8:13 AM Keith Weaver  wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>> I may soon be buying a Joe Appaloosa, and I'm wondering about using it as 
>> a loaded touring bike. It sounds like the bike should work well for that 
>> purpose, but the fork's upper eyelets seem a bit problematic. 
>>
>> I have a Surly Disc Trucker with the Tubus Duo pannier rack, it's been a 
>> great setup for me. It looks like the Appaloosa fork has only one set of 
>> upper eyelets, which are too high for the Duo rack. The only simple, 
>> elegant front pannier rack I've seen that would work with those upper 
>> eyelets is the Nitto Mark's hub area rack (with hoop). That rack is sold 
>> out, and I guess there was a recent batch in stock that sold out very fast.
>>
>> I could mount the Tubus Tara rack or similar using clamp on eyelets, but 
>> I'd like to avoid those clamps if at all possible. Does anyone have 
>> recommendations on other rack options, or a hub area rack they would sell, 
>> or comments that I shouldn't do this at all?
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Keith
>>
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Re: [RBW] Mixte vs Diamond Frame

[Linda G]

Kate,
I like a 42/26 compact double in front and an 11-32 cassette.  I can go 
up steep hills in a sitting position and I have plenty of high gears, never 
using the outermost cogs on the cassette. At first it was a little 
embarrassing to think I needed such low gears but I quickly got over it. 
The gearing was never right for me on production bikes I had in the past. 
This is the combo I run on my two diamond frame bikes. I'm thinking of 
redoing my mixte from a triple to a 1x system. The mixte is mostly for 
around town and I don't climb steep hills. I like the simplest possible 
solution. There are cassettes that go lower than 32 so maybe you could opt 
for a 1x with Riv's advice.
Linda

On Monday, March 1, 2021 at 8:52:21 AM UTC-8 upyou...@yahoo.com wrote:

> Thanks Tim and Joe for the shifting info and crank pics.  I'm just not 
> sure what way to go with the new Platy.  I will ask for help from Riv HQ on 
> this since I don't know.  I think with a Losco bar I will go with thumb 
> shifters.  Haven't firmed up if I should go 1x11 or compact double.  I ride 
> in flat areas but can also tackle some steep hills here in Central NJ and 
> Bucks County PA.  I would like to have low enough gearing for that.  On my 
> road bike, I rarely use the big ring and don't pedal down hill.  I'm just 
> trying to control my speed mostly and keep it safe with my eye out for 
> deer and critters crossing the road.  
> Kate
>
> On Thursday, February 25, 2021 at 4:50:40 PM UTC-5 Tim Baldwin wrote:
>
>> Kate, if you're friction curious, Riv has Microshift thumb shifters or 
>> Shimano bar end shifters that can switch between friction and index. Then 
>> you can try both and see which you prefer. I like friction front and rear 
>> myself.
>> Joe, dig the reverse shifters. Gotta do what works for you.
>>
>> On Thursday, February 25, 2021 at 2:55:49 PM UTC-6 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> To wrap up my story and possibly amuse anyone who thinks I have the 
>>> weirdest FrankenShifting ever, here's the shifter. It's a Silver downtube 
>>> lever on a Paul Thumbie mounted on the right side (arthritis reasons I 
>>> won't bore anyone with again, most of you have heard it). Enjoy the weird! 
>>>
>>> On Thursday, February 25, 2021 at 12:09:36 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
 Front indexing works well if you have the exact match of shifter, 
 derailleur and cranks and not at all if one of those pieces doesn't fit. 
 For instance my Rivendell Custom has a Sugino triple with 24-36-44 rings 
 and a Campagnolo triple front derailleur. This works for me but there's no 
 chance I could find a front index shifter to shift it, plus friction 
 shifting front rings is very easy: It's only two or three rings and I can 
 see what the derailleur is doing as I'm moving the lever. I don't have the 
 same "easy" experience with the rear so I go index there. *

 * No shade on folks who like front index and can live with the matching 
 bits it requires. Ride what you like! 

 On Thursday, February 25, 2021 at 7:49:36 AM UTC-8 upyou...@yahoo.com 
 wrote:

> HI Joe, 
> Thank you for the warm welcome.  I appreciate your input as I am just 
> getting started and will have to make this decision for sure.  I am only 
> use to rapid fire thumb shifters on my hybrid and brifters on my road 
> bike.  I don't know anything about friction shifting so I'm not sure if 
> this is for me.  Why didn't you use them for front and back?
> Kate
> Trenton, NJ
>
> *upyou...@yahoo.com*
> *Kate Gilson*
> [image: Image Preview]
>
>
> On Wednesday, February 24, 2021, 08:48:10 PM EST, Joe Bernard <
> joer...@gmail.com> wrote: 
>
>
> Hi Kate, welcome to the Riv Show ‍♂️
>
> I think you'll love that gorgeous Platypus, it's the business! You 
> can't go wrong with most of Riv's suggestions for parts, but the 
> indexing/friction shifter conundrum may come up and I don't know what 
> you're using on your road and trail bikes (and you may already know what 
> you want and my advice is moot). Friction front is great, but Riv is also 
> a 
> big propronent of friction rear, as are many of its riders. I am not that 
> person, I need clicky shifts for the rear derailleur. My 
> recently-purchased-used Riv Susie came with friction rear and I just 
> replaced it with this clicky-thing..I'll have a friction thumbshifter for 
> the front and this index for the rear, this is a setup Riv offers. 
>
> https://www.rivbike.com/products/kljs-gl46sgg
>
> Joe Bernard
>
> On Wednesday, February 24, 2021 at 4:57:13 PM UTC-8 upyou...@yahoo.com 
> wrote:
>
> Oh hello new sister I will post pics. I just spoke with Will last 
> evening and secured myself the green. I’m so nervous and worried since 
> I’ve 
> never ridden a Riv nor have I ever ridden a mixer ha ha. I’ve 

[RBW] FS 56 MUSA Atlantis 650b Great Condition

[Jonathan D.]

I decided I have too many bikes and need to sell at least one.  This is a 
really nice, great condition, typical Rivendell build.  This is a MUSA 
Atlantis, 650 B, size 56.  My PBH is 85.5 and I fit.  It might be a little 
small.  I was planning on keep the racks, but happy to consider including.  

These bikes are hard to know what they are worth.  I am not in a rush to 
sell but wanted to put it out there.  I am asking for $2500 plus shipping. 
I will have it professionally packaged.  I am happy to answer questions.

https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B0ZGf693ZgcrSx

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Re: [RBW] Re: Sand floatation, comparing 700C and 650B tires of similar width

[Patrick Moore]

Eric et al: thanks for this interesting information. Those VEE tires look
like a great deal of fun. But the reasons for me to pass on the Pugsley or
other fat bike are first, Q factor, and secondly, that I just don't need
such fat tires with their weight and cost. If I rode more regularly in snow
(the Monocog started out as a "snow" bike, but only for very occasional
use) a fat bike would be fun, but I'm lucky if I get 2 good snow rides per
year. And while I do have to get off and push sometimes, even with the 70
mm Rangers, our sand is quite rideable with 70s and even 60s (70s feel
better). And I do like the knobs on the Rangers compared to the bald Big
Ones, while knobby 4" tires might be slower rolling on firm surfaces.

On Sun, Feb 28, 2021 at 6:22 PM Eric Daume  wrote:

> Patrick,
>
> Here's a couple things for you to chew on:
>
> - Some Pugsley owners have machined down
> 
> their 100mm bottom bracket to 83mm, which is a downhill mountain bike
> standard, to reduce the Q by ~17mm. This would bring the Q down to the
> 180s, IIRC.
>
> - Vee Rubber makes 4" tires in slick. These are the slickest, fattest
> tires I've ever seen:
>
> https://veetireco.com/product/fat-bike-apache-fattyslick/
>
> Eric
>
> On Sun, Feb 28, 2021 at 2:00 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>
>> Thanks. I could get 650B wheels for the Matthews and install Rangers in
>> the 650B size, and I daresay they'd be cushier than the 700C X 60s on it
>> now, but then I already have 700C X 2.8 (actual measurement on 26 mm
>> outside rims = 70 mm) on the Monocog, so skip that.
>>
>> I'm sure 4" tires would be lovely in sand, but I want something that
>> rolls sufficiently well on hardpack and pavement. The Big Ones (these are
>> the 60s) roll superlatively on pavement and hardpack -- they seem to roll
>> as well as the ineffable Elk Passes, and the Rangers roll better on
>> pavement than any other knobby I've used, including Maxxis Icons, but
>> they're certainly not as fast on pavement as the Big Ones. I'd not like to
>> take 1 more step down for pavement.
>>
>> When Rene Herse/Jan start making an extralight 4" tire, I'll consider a
>> fat bike.
>>
>> Tarik, you almost *(almost!)* have me wondering about a fat bike, but
>> not quite.
>>
>> On Sat, Feb 27, 2021 at 2:14 PM Patrick Moore 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Curious: have any of you ridden both 700C and 650B fattish tires in
>>> sandy terrain, and can you say how the extra ~4 cm difference in height
>>> affects floatation, or for that matter, cushioning over small bumps like
>>> washboard or tree roots?
>>>
>>> Keeping all things equal, of course: similar tires, widths, pressures,
>>> just different diameters.
>>>
>>> I wonder how the Matthews would feel with true 3" wide 650Bs compared to
>>> the Monocog with 2.8" wide 700Cs.
>>>
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>>>
>>> ---
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>>> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>>>
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne seat tube diameter?

[velomann]

I put a standard diameter 28.6 Ultegra FD on my new Sam and it fit fine.

Mike M

On Monday, March 1, 2021 at 9:56:04 AM UTC-8 Joe M. wrote:

> Fortunately for me I have a new Sam Hillborne 54cm heading my way! Trying 
> to track down parts for it and wondering if anyone can tell me what the 
> seat tube diameter is so I don't have to find out the hard way that I 
> bought the wrong front derailleur. Thanks!

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Re: [RBW] Mixte vs Diamond Frame

[Shoji Takahashi]

Hi Kate,
Welcome! I, too, am awaiting a platypus. I've collected parts over the 
pandemic and can hardly wait to build it up for the spring season.

For gearing decisions, take a note of your current bike. You mention that 
you rarely use the big ring. What gearing do you typically use? What low is 
adequate for your steep climbs in NJ and PA? What is the highest gear that 
you use? I'd use these points to start my thinking of what cassette and 
chainring(s) to choose. That might inform whether you can go with 1X or 
double. 

I've got a Riv S!lver crankset (wide/low with guard). I don't need the 
small chainring. I might run it as 1X, which will simplify things (no front 
derailer+shifter needed), but I have the parts and maybe it'll come in 
handy for an infrequent heavy grocery run or something...

Good luck!
shoji
Arlington MA


On Monday, March 1, 2021 at 11:52:21 AM UTC-5 upyou...@yahoo.com wrote:

> Thanks Tim and Joe for the shifting info and crank pics.  I'm just not 
> sure what way to go with the new Platy.  I will ask for help from Riv HQ on 
> this since I don't know.  I think with a Losco bar I will go with thumb 
> shifters.  Haven't firmed up if I should go 1x11 or compact double.  I ride 
> in flat areas but can also tackle some steep hills here in Central NJ and 
> Bucks County PA.  I would like to have low enough gearing for that.  On my 
> road bike, I rarely use the big ring and don't pedal down hill.  I'm just 
> trying to control my speed mostly and keep it safe with my eye out for 
> deer and critters crossing the road.  
> Kate
>
> On Thursday, February 25, 2021 at 4:50:40 PM UTC-5 Tim Baldwin wrote:
>
>> Kate, if you're friction curious, Riv has Microshift thumb shifters or 
>> Shimano bar end shifters that can switch between friction and index. Then 
>> you can try both and see which you prefer. I like friction front and rear 
>> myself.
>> Joe, dig the reverse shifters. Gotta do what works for you.
>>
>> On Thursday, February 25, 2021 at 2:55:49 PM UTC-6 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> To wrap up my story and possibly amuse anyone who thinks I have the 
>>> weirdest FrankenShifting ever, here's the shifter. It's a Silver downtube 
>>> lever on a Paul Thumbie mounted on the right side (arthritis reasons I 
>>> won't bore anyone with again, most of you have heard it). Enjoy the weird! 
>>>
>>> On Thursday, February 25, 2021 at 12:09:36 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
 Front indexing works well if you have the exact match of shifter, 
 derailleur and cranks and not at all if one of those pieces doesn't fit. 
 For instance my Rivendell Custom has a Sugino triple with 24-36-44 rings 
 and a Campagnolo triple front derailleur. This works for me but there's no 
 chance I could find a front index shifter to shift it, plus friction 
 shifting front rings is very easy: It's only two or three rings and I can 
 see what the derailleur is doing as I'm moving the lever. I don't have the 
 same "easy" experience with the rear so I go index there. *

 * No shade on folks who like front index and can live with the matching 
 bits it requires. Ride what you like! 

 On Thursday, February 25, 2021 at 7:49:36 AM UTC-8 upyou...@yahoo.com 
 wrote:

> HI Joe, 
> Thank you for the warm welcome.  I appreciate your input as I am just 
> getting started and will have to make this decision for sure.  I am only 
> use to rapid fire thumb shifters on my hybrid and brifters on my road 
> bike.  I don't know anything about friction shifting so I'm not sure if 
> this is for me.  Why didn't you use them for front and back?
> Kate
> Trenton, NJ
>
> *upyou...@yahoo.com*
> *Kate Gilson*
> [image: Image Preview]
>
>
> On Wednesday, February 24, 2021, 08:48:10 PM EST, Joe Bernard <
> joer...@gmail.com> wrote: 
>
>
> Hi Kate, welcome to the Riv Show ‍♂️
>
> I think you'll love that gorgeous Platypus, it's the business! You 
> can't go wrong with most of Riv's suggestions for parts, but the 
> indexing/friction shifter conundrum may come up and I don't know what 
> you're using on your road and trail bikes (and you may already know what 
> you want and my advice is moot). Friction front is great, but Riv is also 
> a 
> big propronent of friction rear, as are many of its riders. I am not that 
> person, I need clicky shifts for the rear derailleur. My 
> recently-purchased-used Riv Susie came with friction rear and I just 
> replaced it with this clicky-thing..I'll have a friction thumbshifter for 
> the front and this index for the rear, this is a setup Riv offers. 
>
> https://www.rivbike.com/products/kljs-gl46sgg
>
> Joe Bernard
>
> On Wednesday, February 24, 2021 at 4:57:13 PM UTC-8 upyou...@yahoo.com 
> wrote:
>
> Oh hello new sister I will post pics. I just spoke with Will last 
> evening and 

[RBW] WTB VO Constructeur Front Rack or similar for 61cm Bleriot

[J C]

I'm interested in using the VO Constructeur Front Rack to hold a basket or 
bag on a recently built up 61 cm Bleriot.

Can anyone share their experience using this rack? It seems pretty straight 
forward as far as racks go.

I believe I'd need the version that has the flat and adjustable plate at 
the fork crown mount and would prefer the bottom tangs to be uncut so I can 
mess with placement.

Feel free to message off list if you have one you are willing to part with 
or if you have something similar that may work.

Thanks!

James


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Re: [RBW] Re: Albatross and Choco riders

[Ride for Fun]

Eric, those bars are tilted way low.  When I rode albatross I was always
far forward, why I switched to Choco, so I could reach more without a
change in shape, but I never angled my bars like that except for one test
ride where they slipped due to not being tightened enough.  I found that
position very uncomfortable.

Keep playing around and definitely stretch out a bit.

On Sun, Feb 28, 2021 at 3:46 PM Eric Marth  wrote:

> Thanks for the replies! Shoji and Tom – I've attached a more recent
> picture of the bike. I do have the bars tilted down and the seat tilted
> back. The tilt appears exaggerated because the kickstand raises the back of
> the bike.
>
> I think part of my problem is perhaps not leaning enough, I might be
> trying to sit upright and holding my head up. Need to relax, bend, let
> myself flex a bit more.
>
> On Friday, February 26, 2021 at 1:45:42 PM UTC-5 Tom Wyland wrote:
>
>> Something to try that made my Albatross handlebars more comfortable:
>> tilt down the bars a bit so the grips are slightly lower than the hoops of
>> the bar.
>>
>> On Friday, February 26, 2021 at 1:25:11 PM UTC-5 Shoji Takahashi wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Eric,
>>> Is your neck pain from extending your neck? Did you have similar pain
>>> when using the drop bars? Other pains/problems?
>>>
>>> Like you, I prefer the forward position of albatross bars-- it feels
>>> natural for me, perhaps since I like to lean forward.
>>>
>>> If you would like a more upright/cruising position to try, I suggest
>>> tilting the saddle nose up a little bit. The up-nose position makes me feel
>>> more comfortable sitting upright, and less comfortable leaning forward.
>>>
>>> Good luck!
>>> shoji
>>> arlington ma
>>>
>>>
>>> On Friday, February 26, 2021 at 1:11:27 PM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Stumbled upon this thread and have some questions about my own
 Albatross fitting. I converted to these bars from drops. I've yet to fall
 in love with them and have problems with neck pain on rides longer than 30
 miles.

 I'm on a threadless bike and have tried a few stems and configurations
 with the same bars, a total of four positions. I have 110mm and 90mm stems,
 both with 17º rise. I've tried them with the stems flipped in both
 configurations. I should also add that I'm on a 60cm bike that is a little
 big for me. I've got less than a fist full of seat post showing.

 My current configuration is with the 110mm stem set up to give the most
 rise. I find myself, in all configurations, favoring the grip in front of
 the brake levers.

 Anyone out there have any ideas for improved fit?
 On Friday, November 13, 2020 at 4:38:20 PM UTC-5 jrst...@gmail.com
 wrote:

>
> Thanks Pete, just got the Choco bars from Blue Lug as Riv is our with
> no known delivery time.  I paid a $27 premium for 2 shipped so not
> bad.
> On Friday, November 13, 2020 at 12:02:21 PM UTC-5 Pete P wrote:
>
>> I first tried upright h’bars on my older Atala bike. Just to see if it
>>
>> would work for me. I bought Albatross bars and it was a revelation!
>>
>> So on my Atlantis I ditched my noodle drop bars and chose the Choco
>>
>> bars - just for variety.  I  like both of these. (I won’t go back to
>> those
>>
>> now uncomfortable drop bars).
>>
>> They both have their plusses and minuses. The Albatross are wider and
>>
>> Go through the doorway with more caution. The Choco bar doesn’t rise
>>
>> up as much but the position on the curves is a favorite of mine. You
>> can’t go wrong with either one!
>>
>>
>> Pete
>>
>> On Friday, November 6, 2020 at 6:33:05 AM UTC-6 Joel S wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks Roberta.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Nov 6, 2020 at 4:11 AM Roberta  wrote:
>>>
 My understanding is that the *bars* are the same shape and size;
 they differ in the stem attachment. I have  the c-m ones because that's
 what came with the bike. The norm version is more versatile.

 There is a lot of choco-love here   Good luck with your search.


 On Thursday, November 5, 2020 at 10:09:55 PM UTC-5, Joel S wrote:
>
> Thanks Roberta.  It is the Choco Norm I am thinking about.
>
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[RBW] Re: question re frame-paint damage

[Mark Roland]

Just rub it a bit with some 00 steel wool and dab it with what you said, or 
some primer or what have you. It will be fine, don't sweat it. I usually 
wrap a slice of old inner tube where the clamp goes. And make sure no edge 
is biting down, that the pressure is evenly distributed. 
On Sunday, February 28, 2021 at 7:40:35 PM UTC-5 Jim S. wrote:

> So I did a dumb thing. I added a kick stand to a bike without a kickstand 
> plate. And it messed up the paint real bad. It also slightly dented the 
> frame. Really dumb.
>
> My question, and thanks in advance for any information. What should I do 
> to prevent this from rusting? Blue nail polish? Clear enamel? I can't undo 
> what I did, but I'd like to keep it from getting worse.
>
> [image: frame picture.jpg]
>
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[RBW] Re: History of the bicycle by Grant

[Kevin Smith]

I think you may be thinking of this informative and hilarious lecture that 
Grant did; 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OitO4GrAWmM


Kevin
On Sunday, February 28, 2021 at 5:45:49 PM UTC-5 Edwin W wrote:

> I remember reading an article by Grant on the history of the bicycle, from 
> early galactic history onwards. I can't find it in the reader index (thank 
> you Reed) or with a basic google search.
>
> Can anyone point me there?
>
> Edwin
>

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[RBW] Will the RH Fleecer ridge 700x55 fit my Appaloosa?

[Slowmotionpony]

I have the dark forest green year not sure if it matters, If anyone is 
using them I’d like to see a pic (if they do fit). I recently put a pair of 
Rat trap pass tires on one of my bikes and I’m in love with them, would 
like to try another RH tire. If anyone wants to get rid of a used pair of 
Fleecer ridge tires I’d be interested, would also be interested in pair of 
650x48 juniper ridge tires. Thanks 

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[RBW] Re: FS - Phil "CHP" pedals / 47cm and 54cm 1984 Expeditions

[ribz]

hi joe, do you have photos of the 47cm? starting to shop around for a 
project for my wife! thanks


On Friday, February 26, 2021 at 2:24:35 PM UTC-5 Joe in the Pay Area wrote:

> I have a pair of working Phil Wood platform "CHP" pedals for sale. $120, 
> which does not include s No issues with them except me loving my 
> Specialized Touring pedals more.
>
> Also for sale are 2 1984 Specialized Expeditions, 47 and 54cm. Downtube 
> shifter braze-ons = the 1984 model year.
>
> In very, very good shape (otherwise I would not have bought them). I'm 
> thinking ~ $350 / bike, which would be just the frame, fork, stem and 
> handlebars. If you would like more of the original equipment...well... let 
> the haggling' begin. I bought these for parts to maintain my 60cm '84 as 
> close to original as possible, so if you want some of the "goodies," we 
> need to talk.
>
> Lugged steel frames, relaxed touring geometries, plenty of room for 700x35 
> Paselas and fenders...sort of "Rivendell before Rivendell..." If I had to 
> choose between my '84 Expedition and my orange Atlantis, I'd have a 
> conundrum on my hands.
>
> Downhills and tailwinds to y'all.
>

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[RBW] FS: Brown Gilles Berthoud Aspin Saddle

[James Heller-Jackson]

Hi All,

Thought I was going to give this saddle a go, but alas, build plans change. 
 I bought it from someone else unused (looks like rails haven't been 
touched at all) and haven't mounted it myself.  Please see photos linked 
below, there are a few VERY small imperfections from being stored, but no 
signs of being ridden.  Hope this finds someone who will show it off the 
way it deserves.  Asking $190 shipped through USPS to CONUS.  Let me know 
if you have any questions - can also email pictures if the link is somehow 
(always) finnicky or it's simply easier to view in an email. 

Album image links:
https://ibb.co/album/Nx49Tw

Thanks,
James

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[RBW] Sam Hillborne seat tube diameter?

[Joe M.]

Fortunately for me I have a new Sam Hillborne 54cm heading my way! Trying 
to track down parts for it and wondering if anyone can tell me what the 
seat tube diameter is so I don't have to find out the hard way that I 
bought the wrong front derailleur. Thanks!

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[RBW] Re: Changes to 2020 Sam Hillborne geometry?

[Ride for Fun]

The last batch, 2020 was reported to have longer chainstays but the 51cm 
did not. 

On Sunday, February 28, 2021 at 7:44:44 AM UTC-5 Garth wrote:

> That info likely won't get posted until the frames actually arrive. 
> Calling Riv on ye 'ol telephone, they'll be able to tell you. Vince always 
> seems to have such answers. 
>
> On Sunday, February 28, 2021 at 7:26:05 AM UTC-5 John Woo wrote:
>
>> The recent batch size naming has changed — i.e. the frames formerly known 
>> as 55 and 58 are now 54 and 57. 
>>
>> Anyone know how the geometry changed? The charts still reflect the old 
>> sizing. 
>
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Re: [RBW] The joy of winter riding, and how do you keep your toes warm?

['Bryan Midlam' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I ride regularly throughout our Northeast Winters and always struggled to 
keep hands and feet warm.  This year I finally figured it out although the 
set up isn't ideal for the beauty of riding a Riv but it works for staying 
warm.  I wear Pearly's Possum Socks under waterproof boots (I could never 
get warm riding clipless so I now only ride flats).  I then use neoprene 
shoe covers.  Mine are now worn out so I am due for a new pair.  For the 
hands I ride in Showers Pass waterproof wool gloves, they are very light 
and make it so you can still easily operate the controls.  Then I have a 
pair of Bar Mitts for my handlebars.  Again, not winning any style contests 
here but if anything, my hands were too warm and I had to vent them.  I 
have heavier gloves that work as well but it's so hard to have the same 
ride feel with huge mittens on.

On Saturday, February 27, 2021 at 7:22:46 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:

> This reply is quite late to the party, but I thought the video attached is 
> worth sharing. The narrator has, I think, too rosy an outlook about what is 
> practically possible in North American cities, but he does show that cold 
> weather cycling is not, or ought not to be, a real barrier, tho' even he 
> starts tossing in qualifications for temperatures below -20*F (or perhaps 
> that is only -20*C, a wimpy -4*F).
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uhx-26GfCBU=emb_rel_end
>
> He describes Finnish cities as having more snow than Canadian cities, but 
> he never lived in Kebek, which gets or used to get an average of 13 
> non-drift feet a year. Still, he's right about the cold; keep moving and 
> your are surprisingly warm.
>
> To add to the thread: We don't get very cold temps here; I've ridden 30-35 
> miles in the mid-teens warming to the mid 20s, American Freedom Units (mile 
> high radiant solar heat), but much more often in the low to mid 20s for 
> 6-10 miles on the way to church; tho' in my hot blooded mid-late 20s I ran 
> and xc ski'id down to -20*F. One very basic principle I've learned to keep 
> extremities warm is to size gloves and shoes up for air gaps. I have 
> small-medium hands but buy XL gloves, one, so I can wear wool DeFeets 
> underneath, but mostly so that there is 1/2" of air between my thumb and 
> the end of the glove when riding into a 21*F headwind. The same goes for 
> shoes: extra room between big toe and end of shoe.
>
> I also like those Buff-type merino tubes that you can wear as neck 
> gaiters, COVID masks (doubled), and ear warmers under a winter ear flap 
> cycling cap; easier than scarfs, more versatile that scarfs and balaclavas, 
> and just as warm. 
>
> One more tried 'n' liked for winter 2020-2021 is a very nice pair of 
> ex-Eastern or Mitteleuropa military spec (but complement your elegant 
> evening wear!) leather gloves with warm cloth lining that I got from a 
> Finnish army surplus outlet, sized 2-above in order to accommodate a pair 
> of in-themselves very warm DeFeet knit wool gloves with room left at finger 
> ends; the DeFeets themselves over a pair of thin silk liners were perfectly 
> warm at 32*F this morning.
>
> Oh, and I have experienced why old cycling jackets were made of knit wool 
> with nylon wind panels. IME, this is the best combination for cold weather 
> warmth with protection from wind. I've just found a tailor to, God willing, 
> alter and repair the 2 largely new '80s-vintage Italian jackets someone 
> very kindly gave me.
>
> On Sun, Jan 31, 2021 at 11:27 PM Roberta  wrote:
>
>> Inspired by the wonderful cold weather rides and pics recently (and 
>> others, too, on Instagram), I decided I should not stop riding just because 
>> the temperature is below 60*.  Yes, you read that right.  Pre-Riv, when 
>> the weather got below 60*, I’d stop riding because it was “too cold.”
>>
>> Well, I’ve learned a lot here in the last 3 ½ years.  Last year, I rode 
>> when it was in the 40’s.  Yesterday and today, I was out in 32* and 27* 
>> temperatures, respectively, and it was glorious!  I finally learned how 
>> to dress properly for cold weather riding.  There were less crowds on 
>> the trail and I was more comfortable than when it’s in the 90’s.
>>
>> I highly recommend it!
>> Also, how do you keep your toes warm?  It was the only cold part of my 
>> body.  I was wearing leather sneakers and cotton socks (only because I 
>> couldn't find my wool ones).  Winter temps usually don't often go below 30*.
>>
>> Roberta
>>
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: question re frame-paint damage

[Jim S.]

thanks Joe, I'll give it the college try.

On Sunday, February 28, 2021 at 9:24:28 PM UTC-6 Joe Bernard wrote:

> My trusty 2018 Riv Catalog (which I have four of for some reason) says 
> color or clear nail polish will do the trick. Maybe clear in your case to 
> see if any denting ever turns into a crack in the metal. 
>
> On Sunday, February 28, 2021 at 4:40:35 PM UTC-8 Jim S. wrote:
>
>> So I did a dumb thing. I added a kick stand to a bike without a kickstand 
>> plate. And it messed up the paint real bad. It also slightly dented the 
>> frame. Really dumb.
>>
>> My question, and thanks in advance for any information. What should I do 
>> to prevent this from rusting? Blue nail polish? Clear enamel? I can't undo 
>> what I did, but I'd like to keep it from getting worse.
>>
>> [image: frame picture.jpg]
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Measurement/Fit Question: Sackville TrunkSack Small

[Huston]

David,

Thank you!  That does help, although I was hoping that the sleeve would be 
a bit wider.  If anyone has any ideas for a similar small, canvas trunk bag 
that might accommodate a wider-than-average tombstone, please let me know.  
There's always the custom option; but, that's gonna push a small, simple 
bag into the $$$ category.

Huston

On Monday, March 1, 2021 at 10:35:47 AM UTC-5 David Hays wrote:

> I measure just bit larger than 2 3/4”. If course the diameter of the 
> tubing would also impact he fit.
> Hope this helps.
> David 
> Buffalo, New York
>
> On Mar 1, 2021, at 9:50 AM, Huston  wrote:
>
> Greetings,
>
> Could someone with a small TrunkSack please tell me the width of *opening* 
> of the leather sleeve that slides over the tombstone?  I know the 
> TrunkSacks work well with Nitto racks; but, I have a non-Nitto rack with a 
> wider than usual tombstone, and it may be too wide to accept the sleeve.  
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Huston
> Lexington, KY
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Re: [RBW] Front pannier rack for Appaloosa

[Steven Sweedler]

Keith, I used a Bruce  Gordon low rider rack on my All Rounder (700C) and
Hunq, I would hang the rack from the mid fork point and make a short
adaptor of stainless rack strut to secure at the drop out. Because my older
BG had a blind female mount, I thought this better than the original
method. Steve

On Mon, Mar 1, 2021 at 8:13 AM Keith Weaver  wrote:

> Hi all,
> I may soon be buying a Joe Appaloosa, and I'm wondering about using it as
> a loaded touring bike. It sounds like the bike should work well for that
> purpose, but the fork's upper eyelets seem a bit problematic.
>
> I have a Surly Disc Trucker with the Tubus Duo pannier rack, it's been a
> great setup for me. It looks like the Appaloosa fork has only one set of
> upper eyelets, which are too high for the Duo rack. The only simple,
> elegant front pannier rack I've seen that would work with those upper
> eyelets is the Nitto Mark's hub area rack (with hoop). That rack is sold
> out, and I guess there was a recent batch in stock that sold out very fast.
>
> I could mount the Tubus Tara rack or similar using clamp on eyelets, but
> I'd like to avoid those clamps if at all possible. Does anyone have
> recommendations on other rack options, or a hub area rack they would sell,
> or comments that I shouldn't do this at all?
>
> Cheers,
> Keith
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rambouillet bottom bracket?

[Patrick Moore]

Someone was just pointing out, perhaps on a different iBob thread, that the
design was not meant to produce asymmetry but to accommodate double and
triple rings on the right while leaving Q alone as much as possible, which
makes sense as long as you don't notice the difference. I've ridden offset
spindles and never noticed it, and I guess many others never noticed it
either, though perhaps some people do.

This applies to square taper (and cottered) systems, of course, and not to
2-piece or 1-piece crank systems.

On Sun, Feb 28, 2021 at 12:49 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:

> I've never understood the theory behind asymetrical spindles. Why would I
> want my left foot closer to the frame than my right?? I suppose it doesn't
> matter if you use flat/non-clipped pedals, your feet probably land to their
> natural position on either of those two BBs anyway.
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[RBW] Re: Front pannier rack for Appaloosa

[Bill Lindsay]

In my opinion, there are three very good Nitto front pannier racks which 
would be a great choice for a Joe Appaloosa.  Those are:

Nitto 34F:
Nitto 27F:
Nitto F25:

Another possibility would be the Nitto 35F, which is more of a high-rider.  
Ben's appears to have them all.  My personal favorite is the 27F because of 
the removable lowriders, giving me a useful platform for a handlebar bag or 
basket even when I'm not carrying panniers.  Note that if you have very 
tall panniers, they may not fit great on the 27F.  There are traditional 
rectangular offerings from Ostrich, Carradice and Gilles Berthoud to fit 
that, and also Ruthworks knows how to fit it perfectly.  If you want to run 
Ortliebs or Swifts or similar, then the 34F may be a better choice.  I've 
never run the F25 but it's super interesting.   

Regarding the Hub Area Rack, talk to Riv about what bags they think you are 
going to run on there.  They used to have a bag to fit the rack, and it was 
a cool setup.  With no bags, it may be tricky to use the rack.

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA
On Monday, March 1, 2021 at 8:13:41 AM UTC-8 Keith Weaver wrote:

> Hi all,
> I may soon be buying a Joe Appaloosa, and I'm wondering about using it as 
> a loaded touring bike. It sounds like the bike should work well for that 
> purpose, but the fork's upper eyelets seem a bit problematic. 
>
> I have a Surly Disc Trucker with the Tubus Duo pannier rack, it's been a 
> great setup for me. It looks like the Appaloosa fork has only one set of 
> upper eyelets, which are too high for the Duo rack. The only simple, 
> elegant front pannier rack I've seen that would work with those upper 
> eyelets is the Nitto Mark's hub area rack (with hoop). That rack is sold 
> out, and I guess there was a recent batch in stock that sold out very fast.
>
> I could mount the Tubus Tara rack or similar using clamp on eyelets, but 
> I'd like to avoid those clamps if at all possible. Does anyone have 
> recommendations on other rack options, or a hub area rack they would sell, 
> or comments that I shouldn't do this at all?
>
> Cheers,
> Keith
>

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[RBW] Re: Front pannier rack for Appaloosa

[Edwin W]

I don't have all of the measurements in front of me, but I found the hub 
area rack did not fit my appaloosa (eyelet was too high). I got a tubus 
tara, but haven't attached it yet, but I figure it should work.

Let us know what you find!

Edwin
On Monday, March 1, 2021 at 10:13:41 AM UTC-6 Keith Weaver wrote:

> Hi all,
> I may soon be buying a Joe Appaloosa, and I'm wondering about using it as 
> a loaded touring bike. It sounds like the bike should work well for that 
> purpose, but the fork's upper eyelets seem a bit problematic. 
>
> I have a Surly Disc Trucker with the Tubus Duo pannier rack, it's been a 
> great setup for me. It looks like the Appaloosa fork has only one set of 
> upper eyelets, which are too high for the Duo rack. The only simple, 
> elegant front pannier rack I've seen that would work with those upper 
> eyelets is the Nitto Mark's hub area rack (with hoop). That rack is sold 
> out, and I guess there was a recent batch in stock that sold out very fast.
>
> I could mount the Tubus Tara rack or similar using clamp on eyelets, but 
> I'd like to avoid those clamps if at all possible. Does anyone have 
> recommendations on other rack options, or a hub area rack they would sell, 
> or comments that I shouldn't do this at all?
>
> Cheers,
> Keith
>

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Re: [RBW] Mixte vs Diamond Frame

['upyou...@yahoo.com' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Thanks Tim and Joe for the shifting info and crank pics.  I'm just not sure 
what way to go with the new Platy.  I will ask for help from Riv HQ on this 
since I don't know.  I think with a Losco bar I will go with thumb 
shifters.  Haven't firmed up if I should go 1x11 or compact double.  I ride 
in flat areas but can also tackle some steep hills here in Central NJ and 
Bucks County PA.  I would like to have low enough gearing for that.  On my 
road bike, I rarely use the big ring and don't pedal down hill.  I'm just 
trying to control my speed mostly and keep it safe with my eye out for deer 
and critters crossing the road.  
Kate

On Thursday, February 25, 2021 at 4:50:40 PM UTC-5 Tim Baldwin wrote:

> Kate, if you're friction curious, Riv has Microshift thumb shifters or 
> Shimano bar end shifters that can switch between friction and index. Then 
> you can try both and see which you prefer. I like friction front and rear 
> myself.
> Joe, dig the reverse shifters. Gotta do what works for you.
>
> On Thursday, February 25, 2021 at 2:55:49 PM UTC-6 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> To wrap up my story and possibly amuse anyone who thinks I have the 
>> weirdest FrankenShifting ever, here's the shifter. It's a Silver downtube 
>> lever on a Paul Thumbie mounted on the right side (arthritis reasons I 
>> won't bore anyone with again, most of you have heard it). Enjoy the weird! 
>>
>> On Thursday, February 25, 2021 at 12:09:36 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> Front indexing works well if you have the exact match of shifter, 
>>> derailleur and cranks and not at all if one of those pieces doesn't fit. 
>>> For instance my Rivendell Custom has a Sugino triple with 24-36-44 rings 
>>> and a Campagnolo triple front derailleur. This works for me but there's no 
>>> chance I could find a front index shifter to shift it, plus friction 
>>> shifting front rings is very easy: It's only two or three rings and I can 
>>> see what the derailleur is doing as I'm moving the lever. I don't have the 
>>> same "easy" experience with the rear so I go index there. *
>>>
>>> * No shade on folks who like front index and can live with the matching 
>>> bits it requires. Ride what you like! 
>>>
>>> On Thursday, February 25, 2021 at 7:49:36 AM UTC-8 upyou...@yahoo.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 HI Joe, 
 Thank you for the warm welcome.  I appreciate your input as I am just 
 getting started and will have to make this decision for sure.  I am only 
 use to rapid fire thumb shifters on my hybrid and brifters on my road 
 bike.  I don't know anything about friction shifting so I'm not sure if 
 this is for me.  Why didn't you use them for front and back?
 Kate
 Trenton, NJ

 *upyou...@yahoo.com*
 *Kate Gilson*
 [image: Image Preview]


 On Wednesday, February 24, 2021, 08:48:10 PM EST, Joe Bernard <
 joer...@gmail.com> wrote: 


 Hi Kate, welcome to the Riv Show ‍♂️

 I think you'll love that gorgeous Platypus, it's the business! You 
 can't go wrong with most of Riv's suggestions for parts, but the 
 indexing/friction shifter conundrum may come up and I don't know what 
 you're using on your road and trail bikes (and you may already know what 
 you want and my advice is moot). Friction front is great, but Riv is also 
 a 
 big propronent of friction rear, as are many of its riders. I am not that 
 person, I need clicky shifts for the rear derailleur. My 
 recently-purchased-used Riv Susie came with friction rear and I just 
 replaced it with this clicky-thing..I'll have a friction thumbshifter for 
 the front and this index for the rear, this is a setup Riv offers. 

 https://www.rivbike.com/products/kljs-gl46sgg

 Joe Bernard

 On Wednesday, February 24, 2021 at 4:57:13 PM UTC-8 upyou...@yahoo.com 
 wrote:

 Oh hello new sister I will post pics. I just spoke with Will last 
 evening and secured myself the green. I’m so nervous and worried since 
 I’ve 
 never ridden a Riv nor have I ever ridden a mixer ha ha. I’ve never had 
 the 
 opportunity to select any parts of a bike before. This is so new I 
 wondered 
 if I made a mistake and should cancel but I came across this group and 
 found your pics and got excited that this could be a real good thing. 
 I will sleep better tonight knowing there are 2 sets of braze-ons fir 
 water bottles. 
 More questions to follow.
 Thanks for connecting. 
 Kate from NJ

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Feb 24, 2021, at 19:42, Leah Peterson  wrote:

 Kate! A new #RivSister? Color me delighted! 


 You are going to LOVE your new Platy. Love. You can take it off on 
 trails or ride it on the road. You can haul things around with you, 
 commute, run errands, pedal aimlessly - it’s good for it all. I have a 
 Clem, too, and while it is very multidimensional, it 

Re: [RBW] New Bike day- Red Mixte but not a Raspberry Platypus.

[Patrick Moore]

That's a pretty red; rather "creamy" as if there were white mixed with it,
at least to my eyes and from the photo.

On Mon, Mar 1, 2021 at 7:18 AM Tom Palmer  wrote:

> Hi all,
> This is a cross post for IBob, with correction, now with Riv content.
> I built this Soma Buena Vista up over the winter and finally rode it.
> Probably the best first ride on a new bike ever, maybe I am finally
> understanding how to fit my own bikes. undoubtedly, things will change, but
> its pretty close right now. The build is pretty Bobish- 650b with 38mm Pari
> motos (red Hetres on the way as change #1) Shimano Deore rear hub Shimano
> dyno front on velocity Dyad rims. Tektro r559 brakes that stop very well.
> Riv Nitto Choco norm bars on long generic stem. SKS longboard fenders at
> least for now. Front basket and rear rack for commuting if that is ever a
> thing in the future. Drivtrain is 10 speed microshift shifters and Shimano
> SLX deraillers. and  a vintage Shimano 600 crankset with Willow triplizer
> 46/30 chainrings. Rides great- tweaked the bars a few times after about 5
> miles into the ride. Hit  a couple steep hills and climbs well in the bends
> of the Chocos. The interweb info on this for tire fit is way conservative.
> I had 650bx48 Pari motos on at first and they fit fine, probably fenders
> too. The handling is typical high trail drop road bike even with the swept
> back bars. This is a little surprising. I was afraid it would be too light
> but the longer chainstays may play into it- 450mm. Geometry is pretty road
> bike too- 73 degree parallel with 45mm rake. This is the biggest frame they
> still make-58cm. They did have a 62 in the past. The color is tremendous-
> even better than anything on the web. Russo Red is what they call it and it
> really pops. Real paint, not powder coat.
>
> Doing a tour of lakes Huron, Superior, and Michigan in the fall, and this
> may be the ride.
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[RBW] Front pannier rack for Appaloosa

[Keith Weaver]

Hi all,
I may soon be buying a Joe Appaloosa, and I'm wondering about using it as a
loaded touring bike. It sounds like the bike should work well for that
purpose, but the fork's upper eyelets seem a bit problematic.

I have a Surly Disc Trucker with the Tubus Duo pannier rack, it's been a
great setup for me. It looks like the Appaloosa fork has only one set of
upper eyelets, which are too high for the Duo rack. The only simple,
elegant front pannier rack I've seen that would work with those upper
eyelets is the Nitto Mark's hub area rack (with hoop). That rack is sold
out, and I guess there was a recent batch in stock that sold out very fast.

I could mount the Tubus Tara rack or similar using clamp on eyelets, but
I'd like to avoid those clamps if at all possible. Does anyone have
recommendations on other rack options, or a hub area rack they would sell,
or comments that I shouldn't do this at all?

Cheers,
Keith

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[RBW] Re: Building a Sam Hillborne

[velomann]

"On the Sam that Riv built for me the bar ends are grey and I'm running a 
double just fine. "

That makes sense. The gray bar-ends have enough throw you can run a double 
just fine (my usual application). It's just a matter of setting the limit 
screws. It's when you try to shift a triple with a unit designed for a 
double that you will run into issues. In my experience the gray will shift 
anything; the black will not.

Mike M
On Sunday, February 28, 2021 at 4:38:26 PM UTC-8 zac.te...@gmail.com wrote:

> @velomann (i have no idea how to quote reply on this forum)
>
> On the Sam that Riv built for me the bar ends are grey and I'm running a 
> double just fine. 
>
> On Sunday, February 28, 2021 at 12:05:56 PM UTC-8 velomann wrote:
>
>> A small note of caution regarding 9-speed DA bar-end shifters and triple 
>> cranks. I have 3 or 4 pairs and I learned through trial and error that 
>> there are sets designed for a double crank and sets designed for a triple. 
>> The triple has, I believe, a gray plastic collar, while the double is 
>> black. The left gray shifter has more throw than the black one. 
>> If anyone out there knows differently, please chime in.
>>
>> Mike M
>>
>> On Saturday, February 27, 2021 at 10:19:02 AM UTC-8 lug...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks Collin.
>>> I am not sure if your questions were just rhetorical but I'll reply 
>>> anyway.
>>> 1. the SH doesn't have to be like anything else I own (which are mostly 
>>> vintage steel with either 6S DT shifting or 8S STI "Click" shifting) but I 
>>> do generally prefer drop bars for all kinds of riding - city, country, 
>>> paved, gravel
>>> I have several Bike Friday folding bikes for instance and while many BF 
>>> owners have and prefer flat or "H" style bars, I always seem to want drops. 
>>> though I only ever ride on the top flats and upper corners (75%) or (25% on 
>>> the brake hoods)
>>> 2. Rrides will be day trips 2h+ on country roads, many paved, some 
>>> packed gravel. (Though we have converted rail trails around here too. too 
>>> rough for my skinny tired bikes. ) Usually unloaded, just for exercise. 
>>> Never fully loaded I don't think. Maybe local utility rides with a rear 
>>> pannier or a big Carradice saddle bag.
>>> 3. Must Have Items? not really. I am not very fussy about my builds. I 
>>> usually take 'em as I get 'em and just jump on and ride (i usually don't 
>>> even swap out a stem unless it is WAY off my size.)
>>>
>>> I think I am leaning 9S barend shifters. surprisingly I don't have any 
>>> but I have a line on a pair. I've tried  barends on a Bike Friday once and 
>>> while many would write them off as low end, I remember finding that build 
>>> elegantly simple. And I ride a lot of DT shifter builds and so not being on 
>>> the bars all the time does not fuss me.
>>>
>>> I have a Triple Biopace crankset I might slap on here. TBD.
>>> Then I have a LC Deore RD, a variety of Clamp FDs. (I might be narrowing 
>>> things down.)
>>>
>>> WHEELS: One item I don't have and am unfamiliar with are fat tires and 
>>> wheels with the wider rims (I assume) that would take 38-50mm tires. I have 
>>> dozens of wheels sets but will with fairly narrow traditional road rims for 
>>> 23 to 28mm max tires. So there I will have to do some research.
>>> Similarly I am unfamiliar with 650 wheels and tires. Will a SH take 650 
>>> wheels?
>>>
>>> (I'm sorry to sound so dense about the details of Rivendell bikes. I 
>>> know the Rivendell name by reputation of course but I've never had one or 
>>> pursued one. This frame though kind of just fell into my lap. at first 
>>> glane, when I measured it up as a "59cm" ctc, I wrote it off as too small 
>>> for me. Only once I put it on wheels did I realise that the TT was sloping 
>>> and so this was actually the largest SH frame they made and measured about 
>>> a 65cm Eff ST. and so was my size and so I should try to build it up.)
>>>
>>> On Friday, February 26, 2021 at 10:29:16 PM UTC-5 Collin A wrote:
>>>
 You ask how to build up a bike, and as others have mentioned there are 
 many "good" ways to build up a bike and I'd argue there are almost no 
 "bad" 
 ways to build a bike, as long as it works (exaggerating a bit, but you get 
 my point)! You have loads of parts, so really it seems like you could 
 build 
 up just about anything.

 A few questions to get your mental gears turning:
 1. Do you want it to be like your other bikes or something different 
 (to take advantage of building from the ground up)?
 2. Whats the typical ride going to be for the bike? Fully loaded on 
 rough trails, smooth pavement and a days worth of food, or somewhere in 
 between?
 3. Are there any items you MUST include? I ask because sometimes you 
 have a really nice pair of _ that you want to use (and you seem to 
 have 
 TONS of parts...).

 Personally, I recently converted my Joe to a dirt-drop bar slick 650x50 

Re: [RBW] Measurement/Fit Question: Sackville TrunkSack Small

[David Hays]

I measure just bit larger than 2 3/4”. If course the diameter of the tubing 
would also impact he fit.
Hope this helps.
David 
Buffalo, New York

> On Mar 1, 2021, at 9:50 AM, Huston  wrote:
> 
> Greetings,
> 
> Could someone with a small TrunkSack please tell me the width of opening of 
> the leather sleeve that slides over the tombstone?  I know the TrunkSacks 
> work well with Nitto racks; but, I have a non-Nitto rack with a wider than 
> usual tombstone, and it may be too wide to accept the sleeve.  Thanks in 
> advance.
> 
> Huston
> Lexington, KY
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[RBW] SH getting repaired / repainted

[J Schwartz]

I'm having my 1st generation S.Hillborne (2008) repaired and repainted.
It needs a der hanger repair (*or potentially a new hanger*) and will use 
this opportunity to:
-fill in a downtube dent
-add 2 eyelets on the fork ends (originally only came with 2 on the 
underside)

I'm also considering having the chainstays dimpled more than they are and 
seeking input on that...

I know for sure that the 1st gen green Hillborne had less clearance back 
there than the 2nd gen orange frames.  I imagine there were other tweaks in 
that area over the years.

I can safely ride a fenderless 700x43 (*Gravel King's on Quill rims*) but 
it's close.  That's pretty much the max.
Clearance under fork crown and seat stay bridge aren't problematic.
Would love to gain a little extra room to get closer to what current SH can 
accommodate and it seems like if the frame is stripped and being repaired 
anyway, why not take the opportunity to do it.  
Any reasons I should avoid that?  Also I have no idea how much they should 
be indented and/or where along the chain stay, and I'm not really sure how 
to articulate this to the builder.  He is quite experienced so maybe he 
won't need my input anyway.  
Has anyone here done this?

He also uses Imron paint.  I'm thinking the old harvest gold riv used to 
use...(with cream headtube)  Thinking that would look good with the mix of 
silver and black components the bike has.

Thanks in advance for input
JS

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[RBW] Measurement/Fit Question: Sackville TrunkSack Small

[Huston]

Greetings,

Could someone with a small TrunkSack please tell me the width of *opening* 
of the leather sleeve that slides over the tombstone?  I know the 
TrunkSacks work well with Nitto racks; but, I have a non-Nitto rack with a 
wider than usual tombstone, and it may be too wide to accept the sleeve.  
Thanks in advance.

Huston
Lexington, KY

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[RBW] Re: WTB: silver rear hub, 32h, 135mm, 11spd (or 8-10) (Velo Orange, Shimano, White, others)

[Huston]

Abe,

One other nice option that checks your boxes: Grand Bois.  You can order 
through Jitensha (https://www.jitensha.com/eng/hubs.html) or Grand Bois.

Huston
Lexington, KY

On Sunday, February 28, 2021 at 11:51:27 AM UTC-5 Pancake wrote:

> I have a couple Velo Orange Voyager rims (700c, 32h) that I want to build 
> up. Plan to use rim brakes, but a center lock hub would be okay too. Open 
> to other ideas and suggestions too.
>
> *Hubs I'm looking for in particular (32h, silver or polished):*
> Shimano FH-T670 
> , 
> (this is my preferred hub, but impossible to find so far), FH-T610 (this 
> seems the most common but can't ben found in silver anywhere), or similar.
> Velo Orange Rear Cassette Hub 
>  in 
> silver.
> White Industries MI5 
> 
>
> More details in case you have a different hub that might work too:
>
> *11 speed hub, but 8-10 speed okay too*: I plan to use a 9 speed 
> cassette, but I would like to use a 11 speed hub (I understand you can add 
> a small spacer behind the cassette to make the 11 speed hub work with a 8, 
> 9, or 10 speed cassette). 
>
> *32 hole* to match my rims.
>
> *Silver or polished* - I'd like to keep everything as silver as possible. 
>
> Will use rim brakes, but if there's a centerlock hub that ticks all the 
> other boxes that would work as well.
>
> *Plan to use a Kasai dynamo hub up front (also 32h in silver or polished) 
> which I'm also interested in buying from list members*, or a similar 
> silver dyanmo hub like Son, SP, or Shimano.
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Abe 
>

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[RBW] Re: History of the bicycle by Grant

[Edwin W]

Yes, I think that was it. Thanks!

On Sunday, February 28, 2021 at 7:01:26 PM UTC-6 Andrew Schlukebier wrote:

>
> There’s this:
>
> Grant Petersen: The Big Bang Theory…of Bicycles
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-VJ4jAn4v-U
> On Sunday, February 28, 2021 at 5:45:49 PM UTC-5 Edwin W wrote:
>
>> I remember reading an article by Grant on the history of the bicycle, 
>> from early galactic history onwards. I can't find it in the reader index 
>> (thank you Reed) or with a basic google search.
>>
>> Can anyone point me there?
>>
>> Edwin
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Rambouillet bottom bracket?

[ascpgh]

Isn't the asymmetrical BB remnant from the cup, ball and spindle era with 
DS fixed cups which made that the most critical dimension. NDS could be an 
estimate. Shops would have to stock huge numbers of spindle to accommodate 
all the permutations and generalization of the NDS  clearance cut the 
necessary inventory.

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh

On Sunday, February 28, 2021 at 2:49:23 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:

> I've never understood the theory behind asymetrical spindles. Why would I 
> want my left foot closer to the frame than my right?? I suppose it doesn't 
> matter if you use flat/non-clipped pedals, your feet probably land to their 
> natural position on either of those two BBs anyway. 
>
>
> On Sunday, February 28, 2021 at 9:18:24 AM UTC-8 Jeremy Till wrote:
>
>> As Garth notes, the difference between the 107mm and 110mm Shimano bottom 
>> brackets is only on the non-drive side, so it shouldn't make an difference 
>> in terms of chainring clearance and chainline/front derailleur function. 
>> For a while Harris cyclery had a table showing the drive side lengths of 
>> the various Shimano UN sizes which was very useful for these types of 
>> questions. A while back I was having trouble finding it so I swiped it from 
>> the internet wayback machine and put it in my google docs. I've made it 
>> available here: 
>>
>>
>> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1P_vtPEYTCqiFONC7WQU8ISvvrAwQ-gc9__lNECxlqgs/edit?usp=sharing
>>  
>>
>> Theory aside, I have both a Rambouillet and a early (Grey/Kidney Bean) 
>> Hunqapillar with XD2 triples. I've never pulled the BB on the Rambouillet 
>> so I don't know it's length, but if I had to guess I'd say it was 110mm. 
>> The Hunqapillar, which I built up recently, has a Tange 107mm BB and that 
>> works fine. Given that the Hunqapillar has much wider spaced chainstays 
>> than the Rambouillet, I think it's safe to assume that if the 107mm bb 
>> works with the XD2 triple on the Hunqapillar, it'd work on the Rambouillet. 
>>
>> I'm kind of agnostic when it comes to things like Q factor and crank 
>> length. I'm not going to say I can't feel a difference, but it doesn't 
>> really seem to have an effect on my riding experience. That being said I 
>> have relatively long legs so it may be more of an issue for people with 
>> shorter legs.  
>>
>> -Jeremy Till
>> Sacramento, CA
>>
>> On Saturday, February 27, 2021 at 10:02:08 PM UTC-8 robert peterson wrote:
>>
>>> I am building up a Rambouillet frame that I bought a couple of months 
>>> ago. The seller kindly included a Dura Ace crankset but I don’t see my 65 
>>> year old legs spinning that 53 tooth ring for very long. I have a Sugino 
>>> XD2 triple with 48/36/24 rings that I pulled off my Saluki a couple of 
>>> years ago in favor of a 46/30 double. I was getting some knee and hip pain 
>>> on longer rides and the narrower tread width seemed to cure that. I have a 
>>> Rambouillet brochure that indicates Riv shipped them with a 110mm BB. In  a 
>>> Rivendell catalog they state the XD2 works on a road bike with a 107 or 
>>> 110mm BB. Has anyone on this list used a 107mm BB on a Ram with this common 
>>> crankset? Since I seem to do better with a narrower tread width this is of 
>>> interest to me.
>>> Thanks,
>>> Robert
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: WTB: silver rear hub, 32h, 135mm, 11spd (or 8-10) (Velo Orange, Shimano, White, others)

[Pat Smith]

I was on the hunt for a long time for silver disc hubs and they were nearly 
impossible to find on a budget, let alone for 11 speed. Since you're 
looking at rim brakes you should have more luck. Check out the Bitex hubs 
of you're on a budget they usually have a nice silver ootion: 
https://www.bikehubstore.com/category-s/140.htm

Also last I saw those Kasai/Panasonic dyno hubs were super cheap on Soma 
Fabs webstore. Not sure if they are in stock with your options but take a 
look if you haven't already. 

Pat in DC
On Sunday, February 28, 2021 at 12:16:05 PM UTC-5 Collin A wrote:

> Abe,
>
> I don't have any hubs that fit your criteria, but one little informational 
> nugget is that 11 spd shimano mtn cassettes actually work on 10 speed 
> shimano freehubs! So if you have the linked 670 or 610 hubs above, you'd 
> still be able to use 11 speed cassettes (and even the hg700, the most 
> recent 105 version of the 11-34 or 11--36 cassette) AND use 9 speed 
> cassettes, too, all without spacers, adapters, etc.
>
> Sounds like an awesome wheelbuild!
>
> Cheers,
> Collin in Sactown
>
> On Sunday, February 28, 2021 at 8:51:27 AM UTC-8 Pancake wrote:
>
>> I have a couple Velo Orange Voyager rims (700c, 32h) that I want to build 
>> up. Plan to use rim brakes, but a center lock hub would be okay too. Open 
>> to other ideas and suggestions too.
>>
>> *Hubs I'm looking for in particular (32h, silver or polished):*
>> Shimano FH-T670 
>> ,
>>  
>> (this is my preferred hub, but impossible to find so far), FH-T610 (this 
>> seems the most common but can't ben found in silver anywhere), or similar.
>> Velo Orange Rear Cassette Hub 
>>  in 
>> silver.
>> White Industries MI5 
>> 
>>
>> More details in case you have a different hub that might work too:
>>
>> *11 speed hub, but 8-10 speed okay too*: I plan to use a 9 speed 
>> cassette, but I would like to use a 11 speed hub (I understand you can add 
>> a small spacer behind the cassette to make the 11 speed hub work with a 8, 
>> 9, or 10 speed cassette). 
>>
>> *32 hole* to match my rims.
>>
>> *Silver or polished* - I'd like to keep everything as silver as 
>> possible. 
>>
>> Will use rim brakes, but if there's a centerlock hub that ticks all the 
>> other boxes that would work as well.
>>
>> *Plan to use a Kasai dynamo hub up front (also 32h in silver or polished) 
>> which I'm also interested in buying from list members*, or a similar 
>> silver dyanmo hub like Son, SP, or Shimano.
>>
>> Thanks in advance,
>> Abe 
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: History of the bicycle by Grant

[Eric Marth]

Hey Edwin – When I read your post I also thought of the link Andrew sent. 

On Sunday, February 28, 2021 at 8:01:26 PM UTC-5 Andrew Schlukebier wrote:

>
> There’s this:
>
> Grant Petersen: The Big Bang Theory…of Bicycles
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-VJ4jAn4v-U
> On Sunday, February 28, 2021 at 5:45:49 PM UTC-5 Edwin W wrote:
>
>> I remember reading an article by Grant on the history of the bicycle, 
>> from early galactic history onwards. I can't find it in the reader index 
>> (thank you Reed) or with a basic google search.
>>
>> Can anyone point me there?
>>
>> Edwin
>>
>

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