Re: [RBW] For sale: Heron Road Touring

[twowheeledtexan]

Thank you all, she’s been sold!

On Sunday, December 19, 2021 at 6:29:40 PM UTC-6 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Potential buyers need the seattube measurement to help determine if they 
> can swing a leg over it. Preferably center of crank bolt to top of toptube, 
> that's how Riv measures frames. 
>
> Joe Bernard
> On Sunday, December 19, 2021 at 3:22:48 PM UTC-8 twowheeledtexan wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi Patrick,
>>  
>> Yes, you read the sizing correctly. It’s a 57cm frame and I included the 
>> down tube measurement just FYI. I believe Heron’s website has more sizing 
>> info. 
>>
>> I hope the pricing is considered fair. I’m not personally a fan of price 
>> gouging based on current events, but that’s life. 
>> On Sunday, December 19, 2021 at 4:41:39 PM UTC-6 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> $1200 is a nice price for a bike as well designed and built up as this, 
>>> especially in today's bike-price climate.
>>>
>>> Aaron: you said: *Frame is 57cm C-C top tube and 58 C-C down tube.*
>>>
>>> Do you mean 58 seat tube center to center, and 57 cm top tube center to 
>>> center?
>>>
>>> No one I've heard of sizes a bike by down tube.
>>>
>>> I'd be interested if I didn't have my 2020 Chauncey "near clone with AM 
>>> hub and integrated fenders, racks, lights" substitute for an earlier Riv 
>>> Road custom.
>>>
>>> On Sun, Dec 19, 2021 at 2:44 PM twowheeledtexan  
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Hello RBWOB, I offer for sale my well loved Heron Road Touring in size 
 57cm. This is a wonderful riding bike that I’ve actually bought twice. I 
 regretted selling it the first time and luckily bought it back. It’s 
 currently not getting the use it deserves and if I’m being honest with 
 myself it’s not perfectly sized for me so I’m letting it go. The feel of 
 this bike is livelier than my double TT Sam, but not as quick as a 
 Romulus. 
 I will say that I used to live on a ridge in the Seattle area with a short 
 18% grade that I commuted up daily. This bike I always felt would climb in 
 a higher gear than any other bike I commuted on. If memory serves right 
 the 
 tubing is Reynolds 531. Herons were  designed by Grant Peterson and built 
 in Wisconsin by Waterford. Bike is located in northwest Indiana an hour 
 outside of Chicago. Asking $1200. I’ll cover packing by my lbs, you pay 
 actual shipping. 

 This bike is in used but not abused condition. It has some scratches in 
 the paint and isn’t perfect but still looks very nice. There is a dent in 
 the area of the right down tube shifter boss. Is was damaged during 
 shipping. It doesn’t affect the ride that I can tell and it being steel 
 I’d 
 feel confident leaving it this way for the remainder of its life. However 
 I 
 contacted Waterford about a repair and received this reply from Richard 
 Schwinn himself:

 Worst case scenario:

 Replace downtube/bosses:  $250

 Repaint: $700.

 If we can pull out the dent, replace the boss and touch up:  Figure 
 $4-500.  Unfortunately we'll need to replace the decals because the blend 
 will overlap.

 If you repaint, it's your opportunity to try a new color (though we 
 have the old one as well.

 Thanks

 Richard


 Ok, on to the build. 

 VO Grand Cru 46cm handlebars

 Nitro stem 10cm

 Dia  comp brake levers

 Shimano cantis

 Nitro seatpost

 Selle  Anatomica  saddle

 Brooks leather bar tape ( been rewrapped a few times but still has life)

 Sugino triple 172.5 mm

 Shimano Tiagra  front derailleur

 Shimano XTR rear

 9spd cassette

 Shimano shifters

 Velocity rims with Schmidt dynamo hub and XTR rear

 Honjo 35mm fenders

 Schwalbe Marathons 32mm


 Frame is 57cm C-C top tube and 58 C-C down tube. 

 More info: http://www.heronbicycles.com/index.html


 Thanks for looking!

 Aaron


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[RBW] Re: Secret Platy

[JAS]

It's cool, it's you!  What a colorful bike, fun secret project and exciting 
reveal; no doubt you'll have many happy miles hauling your groceries and 
other stuff when the Michigan weather cooperates which could be any day you 
aren't snowmobiling!  Congratulations, Leah.  I'm really happy for you!

#RivSisters,
Joyce

On Tuesday, December 21, 2021 at 7:38:38 PM UTC-8 Paul in Dallas wrote:

>
> That new Platypus is the coolest!
>
> Love the color combos...
>
> You outdid yourself!
>
> Congrats and may you have many joyful and safe miles on Secret Platy.
>
> Paul in Dallas
>
> PS.
>
> I saw some of Garbaruk stuff on their site.
>
> Did most of the color parts come from Garbaruk?
>
> .
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS - Susie W Longbolts - 56(Large) - Orange

[Erik]

Sold.  

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[RBW] Secret Platy

[st nick]

That new Platypus is the coolest!
Love the color combos...
You outdid yourself!
Congrats and may you have many joyful and safe miles on Secret Platy.
Paul in Dallas
PS.
I saw some of Garbaruk stuff on their site.
Did most of the color parts come from Garbaruk?
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[RBW] Re: WTB/WTT: Paul Racer Silver (for black)

['Abcyclehank' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I will get behind the original poster and Sean B. .

Ryan Hankinson
(616)929-4226

On Tuesday, December 21, 2021 at 2:14:24 PM UTC-5 JohnS wrote:

> Hello Taylor,
>
> I have a pair of Racers in silver that I would like to sell. I was 
> planning to convert my Surly Pacer to 650B, but I didn't like the look or 
> ride, so I gave up on it. So the brakes are nearly new, only rode around 
> the block with them. The reach is too long for the Pacer, so I may as well 
> sell them to someone who can use them. I'll PM you with the details and 
> pics later today.
>
> JohnS
>
> On Tuesday, December 21, 2021 at 11:31:45 AM UTC-5 lconley wrote:
>
>> The panda look requires you to mix the black and silver parts between the 
>> brakes, I believe.
>>
>> Laing
>>
>> On Tuesday, December 21, 2021 at 11:20:02 AM UTC-5 Taylor M wrote:
>>
>>> I have an incoming A Homer Hilsen and a set of mismatched Paul Racer 
>>> brakes, one black (front) and one brushed silver (rear). Anyone have a 
>>> silver front Racer brake to sell or trade for a black one? Also happy to 
>>> buy a complete set if that's preferrable.
>>>
>>> If not, the panda look is cool now, right...?
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>> T
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Secret Platy

[Leah Peterson]

Joe, that mismatched bolt and brake bridge are my favorite details!

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 21, 2021, at 5:59 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
> 
> Green and yellow/gold on the fork crown, I totally missed that! The cap that 
> tightens the cassette down is green, too. 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Tuesday, December 21, 2021 at 3:25:54 PM UTC-8 Roberta wrote:
>> I love your new not-so-secret Platy.  The greens and golds are rich.  Did 
>> you notice also the different color nuts (not sure what they are called) on 
>> the fork crown?  The gold color of the chain ring bolts?  the green spacer?  
>> Even the chain has a golden undertone.
>> 
>> And, of course, you know about the ride.
>> 
>> Roberta
>> 
>>> On Tuesday, December 21, 2021 at 9:34:35 AM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>>> wrote:
>>> I’ve gotten questions about my no-longer Super Secret Bike, so I’ll answer 
>>> them here, and attach photos (which you may have already seen on Analog’s 
>>> Instagram or the Mermaid thread). The photos are courtesy of Analog. I 
>>> don’t yet have the bike. It was ordered in May, and only now have the parts 
>>> arrived to make it a whole bike.
>>> 
>>> I made the decision to make my pair of Rivendells a trio this summer. I 
>>> made a new goal to run more errands by bike. This was a challenge, because 
>>> as I’ve said before, the hills/mountains in Vegas are punishing. My 
>>> raspberry Platypus is set up with only a saddlebag support; I wanted to 
>>> keep that bike unburdened. The Clem is heavy, and putting a load and then 
>>> pedaling up the mountain was miserable. So, a 3rd bike, a mixte, with racks 
>>> and bags was on my wish list. A bike I could load up and lock up, and not 
>>> worry about. The Rosco Platy was rumored to be arriving in July, and I was 
>>> hoping for one of those. But news came that they would have beefy tubing 
>>> and were delayed indefinitely, so I gave up that idea. 
>>> 
>>> It occurred to me I could try for another Platypus. But the presale was 
>>> long over and the new Platys were all living with their new owners. BUT, I 
>>> found one dealer who had a 55 mermaid frame sitting in the box and no one 
>>> had purchased it. I bought it had the frame sent to Analog and they did a 
>>> complete build for me in their trademark colorful style. We went with an 
>>> earthy look; greens and golds on that mermaid paint. We mixed up the brake 
>>> colors (one side bronze, one side green) and had a lot of fun with colorful 
>>> spoke nipples and valve stems. The lime pedals slay me. SON makes colorful 
>>> lights, so we added those as well. And best of all, I got to try Garbaruk - 
>>> prettier cogs and pulleys might exist but I’m doubtful. This is my first 1x 
>>> build. The front and rear Nitto racks were saved from previous bikes and 
>>> will be installed with the lights mounted on them. I will add olive 
>>> Backabikes on the rear and a Goldilocks Fanny to the bars.
>>> 
>>> Since the bike was ordered, major life changes have occurred. We moved to 
>>> southwest Michigan last week, and the Clem would be no trouble on the 
>>> elevation here. This 2nd Platy is now probably superfluous. But, I’m still 
>>> overjoyed to have it, and like the other 2 bikes, it will get plenty of 
>>> miles. The winter has been mild so far and in between the chores of setting 
>>> up the new house and unpacking our things, I’ve been out on some brief 
>>> rides. People here keep telling me I need a “beater bike” for the winter, 
>>> but I just like riding my Rivendells. Should I tell them this is my beater 
>>> bike? 
>>> 
>>> A common question I get that I’ll address here: Why don’t you sell the 
>>> Clem? Or let it be the utilitarian bike?
>>> 
>>> The Clem will never be for sale. It’s hopelessly sentimental to me. I know 
>>> it’s hard to believe I’d care more about the Clem than the fancy mermaid 
>>> Platypus, but I do. That Clem is a hug. Everyone should have one.
>>> 
>>> Three Rivendells is my limit. No more bikes, ever. I’m set!
>>> Pics in the next post…
>>> Leah
>>> 
>>> 
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[RBW] Re: Secret Platy

[Joe Bernard]

Green and yellow/gold on the fork crown, I totally missed that! The cap 
that tightens the cassette down is green, too. 



On Tuesday, December 21, 2021 at 3:25:54 PM UTC-8 Roberta wrote:

> I love your new not-so-secret Platy.  The greens and golds are rich.  Did 
> you notice also the different color nuts (not sure what they are called) on 
> the fork crown?  The gold color of the chain ring bolts?  the green 
> spacer?  Even the chain has a golden undertone.
>
> And, of course, you know about the ride.
>
> Roberta
>
> On Tuesday, December 21, 2021 at 9:34:35 AM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> I’ve gotten questions about my no-longer Super Secret Bike, so I’ll 
>> answer them here, and attach photos (which you may have already seen on 
>> Analog’s Instagram or the Mermaid thread). The photos are courtesy of 
>> Analog. I don’t yet have the bike. It was ordered in May, and only now have 
>> the parts arrived to make it a whole bike.
>>
>> I made the decision to make my pair of Rivendells a trio this summer. I 
>> made a new goal to run more errands by bike. This was a challenge, because 
>> as I’ve said before, the hills/mountains in Vegas are punishing. My 
>> raspberry Platypus is set up with only a saddlebag support; I wanted to 
>> keep that bike unburdened. The Clem is heavy, and putting a load and then 
>> pedaling up the mountain was miserable. So, a 3rd bike, a mixte, with racks 
>> and bags was on my wish list. A bike I could load up and lock up, and not 
>> worry about. The Rosco Platy was rumored to be arriving in July, and I was 
>> hoping for one of those. But news came that they would have beefy tubing 
>> and were delayed indefinitely, so I gave up that idea. 
>>
>> It occurred to me I could try for another Platypus. But the presale was 
>> long over and the new Platys were all living with their new owners. BUT, I 
>> found one dealer who had a 55 mermaid frame sitting in the box and no one 
>> had purchased it. I bought it had the frame sent to Analog and they did a 
>> complete build for me in their trademark colorful style. We went with an 
>> earthy look; greens and golds on that mermaid paint. We mixed up the brake 
>> colors (one side bronze, one side green) and had a lot of fun with colorful 
>> spoke nipples and valve stems. The lime pedals slay me. SON makes colorful 
>> lights, so we added those as well. And best of all, I got to try Garbaruk - 
>> prettier cogs and pulleys might exist but I’m doubtful. This is my first 1x 
>> build. The front and rear Nitto racks were saved from previous bikes and 
>> will be installed with the lights mounted on them. I will add olive 
>> Backabikes on the rear and a Goldilocks Fanny to the bars.
>>
>> Since the bike was ordered, major life changes have occurred. We moved to 
>> southwest Michigan last week, and the Clem would be no trouble on the 
>> elevation here. This 2nd Platy is now probably superfluous. But, I’m still 
>> overjoyed to have it, and like the other 2 bikes, it will get plenty of 
>> miles. The winter has been mild so far and in between the chores of setting 
>> up the new house and unpacking our things, I’ve been out on some brief 
>> rides. People here keep telling me I need a “beater bike” for the winter, 
>> but I just like riding my Rivendells. Should I tell them this is my beater 
>> bike? 
>>
>> A common question I get that I’ll address here: Why don’t you sell the 
>> Clem? Or let it be the utilitarian bike?
>>
>> The Clem will never be for sale. It’s hopelessly sentimental to me. I 
>> know it’s hard to believe I’d care more about the Clem than the fancy 
>> mermaid Platypus, but I do. That Clem is a hug. Everyone should have one.
>>
>> Three Rivendells is my limit. No more bikes, ever. I’m set!
>> Pics in the next post…
>> Leah
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Secret Platy

[Roberta]

I love your new not-so-secret Platy.  The greens and golds are rich.  Did 
you notice also the different color nuts (not sure what they are called) on 
the fork crown?  The gold color of the chain ring bolts?  the green 
spacer?  Even the chain has a golden undertone.

And, of course, you know about the ride.

Roberta

On Tuesday, December 21, 2021 at 9:34:35 AM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> I’ve gotten questions about my no-longer Super Secret Bike, so I’ll answer 
> them here, and attach photos (which you may have already seen on Analog’s 
> Instagram or the Mermaid thread). The photos are courtesy of Analog. I 
> don’t yet have the bike. It was ordered in May, and only now have the parts 
> arrived to make it a whole bike.
>
> I made the decision to make my pair of Rivendells a trio this summer. I 
> made a new goal to run more errands by bike. This was a challenge, because 
> as I’ve said before, the hills/mountains in Vegas are punishing. My 
> raspberry Platypus is set up with only a saddlebag support; I wanted to 
> keep that bike unburdened. The Clem is heavy, and putting a load and then 
> pedaling up the mountain was miserable. So, a 3rd bike, a mixte, with racks 
> and bags was on my wish list. A bike I could load up and lock up, and not 
> worry about. The Rosco Platy was rumored to be arriving in July, and I was 
> hoping for one of those. But news came that they would have beefy tubing 
> and were delayed indefinitely, so I gave up that idea. 
>
> It occurred to me I could try for another Platypus. But the presale was 
> long over and the new Platys were all living with their new owners. BUT, I 
> found one dealer who had a 55 mermaid frame sitting in the box and no one 
> had purchased it. I bought it had the frame sent to Analog and they did a 
> complete build for me in their trademark colorful style. We went with an 
> earthy look; greens and golds on that mermaid paint. We mixed up the brake 
> colors (one side bronze, one side green) and had a lot of fun with colorful 
> spoke nipples and valve stems. The lime pedals slay me. SON makes colorful 
> lights, so we added those as well. And best of all, I got to try Garbaruk - 
> prettier cogs and pulleys might exist but I’m doubtful. This is my first 1x 
> build. The front and rear Nitto racks were saved from previous bikes and 
> will be installed with the lights mounted on them. I will add olive 
> Backabikes on the rear and a Goldilocks Fanny to the bars.
>
> Since the bike was ordered, major life changes have occurred. We moved to 
> southwest Michigan last week, and the Clem would be no trouble on the 
> elevation here. This 2nd Platy is now probably superfluous. But, I’m still 
> overjoyed to have it, and like the other 2 bikes, it will get plenty of 
> miles. The winter has been mild so far and in between the chores of setting 
> up the new house and unpacking our things, I’ve been out on some brief 
> rides. People here keep telling me I need a “beater bike” for the winter, 
> but I just like riding my Rivendells. Should I tell them this is my beater 
> bike? 
>
> A common question I get that I’ll address here: Why don’t you sell the 
> Clem? Or let it be the utilitarian bike?
>
> The Clem will never be for sale. It’s hopelessly sentimental to me. I know 
> it’s hard to believe I’d care more about the Clem than the fancy mermaid 
> Platypus, but I do. That Clem is a hug. Everyone should have one.
>
> Three Rivendells is my limit. No more bikes, ever. I’m set!
> Pics in the next post…
> Leah
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: WTB/WTT: Paul Racer Silver (for black)

[Sean B.]

John,

If Taylor is not interested in the pair, I am. 

On Tuesday, December 21, 2021 at 1:14:24 PM UTC-6 JohnS wrote:

> Hello Taylor,
>
> I have a pair of Racers in silver that I would like to sell. I was 
> planning to convert my Surly Pacer to 650B, but I didn't like the look or 
> ride, so I gave up on it. So the brakes are nearly new, only rode around 
> the block with them. The reach is too long for the Pacer, so I may as well 
> sell them to someone who can use them. I'll PM you with the details and 
> pics later today.
>
> JohnS
>
> On Tuesday, December 21, 2021 at 11:31:45 AM UTC-5 lconley wrote:
>
>> The panda look requires you to mix the black and silver parts between the 
>> brakes, I believe.
>>
>> Laing
>>
>> On Tuesday, December 21, 2021 at 11:20:02 AM UTC-5 Taylor M wrote:
>>
>>> I have an incoming A Homer Hilsen and a set of mismatched Paul Racer 
>>> brakes, one black (front) and one brushed silver (rear). Anyone have a 
>>> silver front Racer brake to sell or trade for a black one? Also happy to 
>>> buy a complete set if that's preferrable.
>>>
>>> If not, the panda look is cool now, right...?
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>> T
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Creaky Creaks?

[Joe Bernard]

As was advised and you may want to double-check, make sure there's grease 
in the seattube. Of course it may just be a new Brooks breaking in (if you 
have one), those saddles used to drive me crazy until I adopted the same 
position as minor rattles in my car: "Yep, that happens."



On Tuesday, December 21, 2021 at 11:31:29 AM UTC-8 philipr...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Pedals are MKS but already checked and running fine. I have had the 
> shoelace issue before though!
>
> I did the seatpost (which was tight) and the saddle clamp (which wasn't 
> particularly) so will try & get out for a test ride before my positive 
> COVID test from this morning kicks in!
>
> On Tuesday, December 21, 2021 at 1:19:32 PM UTC-6 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Now that you mention it, yes, I've had pedals cause this sort of
>> elusive cadence-related creaking or, in my case, more of a clicking.
>> In this case it was a pair of ancient Dura Ace SPD pedals, and I
>> solved the problem by regreasing them (simply unscrewed body from
>> bearing core, filled bearing space in body with grease, shoved
>> bearing/spindle core back in and tightened down: Robert
>> Gascoyne-Cecil, 3rd Marquess of Salisbury's yer uncle!
>>
>> One more tangential but wholly not-unrelated incident: I acquired a
>> sudden, rhythmic "click" while pedaling one particular bike, and could
>> not find the source. After long fretting, I tripped over the reason:
>> the aiglet on the slightly too-long lace of my left SPD shoe -- which
>> I had just started wearing in preference to the Velcro shoes I usually
>> wore -- was hitting the dt water bottle cage.
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 21, 2021 at 11:48 AM Ryan  wrote:
>> >
>> > or pedals if they're MKS ...had this happen to me twice
>> >
>> > On Tuesday, December 21, 2021 at 12:36:01 PM UTC-6 Patrick Moore wrote:
>> >>
>> >> I know, it seems very unlikely, but I've found bars and seatposts to 
>> cause this sort of creak after long and anguished searches, and much to my 
>> surprise.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Tue, Dec 21, 2021 at 11:27 AM Philip Barrett  
>> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> BB was installed by Rivendell and looks to be typical of their high 
>> quality work.
>> >>>
>> >>> You know I thought seatpost, then thought...nah...but actually that 
>> does make sense. Hex head in hand now.
>> >
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Re: [RBW] Re: Suggestions for better braking?

[David Person]

I've found that rims with machined sidewalls (Velocity Dyads and Quills) 
provide much better breaking than rims that do not have machined sidewalls 
(VO Voyagers, Grand Bois Papillon).  FWIW.


On Tuesday, December 21, 2021 at 6:22:21 AM UTC-8 bjmi...@gmail.com wrote:

> Again, thanks to everyone who chimed in on this thread. I actually 
> particularly love when people start talking about their own 
> situations/solutions, even if they don't apply to me...just because they 
> don't apply now doesn't mean they never will.
>
> Semi-resolution of my original question...
>
> I went ahead and ripped off the tape, installed Sliver2 shifters/pods, new 
> housing and cables, retaped and retwined...
> [image: sambars.jpg]
>
> I definitely see some little mistakes in the wrap, but this is my first 
> attempt at a drop bar and I'm pleased as punch. I might redo the drive side 
> tape before I shellac (there are two little gaps on the inside drop and I 
> have the tiniest bit of bar showing under the hood. I also think that dark 
> blue is THE move on this sage green bike. I hated undoing Mark's work, but 
> I think for my first time doing it, it went as well as it could have. Pro 
> tip...if you're not buying the hemp twine Rivendell sells to finish your 
> bar tape, throw away your current twine and order some. Night and day 
> difference in quality and uniformity of thickness on the twine. 
>
>
> So...did it make a difference in braking?
> While I'm still a far cry from the power of V-brakes, I think new 
> cables/housing and freshly set up brakes gave me a little more grab on my 
> ride this morning. I did carefully decrease the pad/rim distance gap to 
> about 1/8" and things are definitely feeling sungger/more secure. I'm still 
> going to replace the Kool Stop with the Yokozuna salmons, though. The kind 
> of riding I generally do with this bike requires VERY little braking power 
> in the first place. If I were going to make this a daily commuter, I'd 
> probably go searching for some Paul's or even try the VO Grand Cru. But...I 
> have a daily commuter that stops on a dime. 
>
> At the end of the day, maybe the changes I made gave me a marginal 
> improvement. Even if so, I have the satisfaction of doing this kind of work 
> on a bike for the first time and the peace of mind knowing that my housing 
> and cables are fresh...and that ain't nothing! 
>
> Thanks again for all your thoughts and feedback!
>
> Ben in Omaha 
>
> On Tue, Dec 21, 2021 at 6:29 AM ascpgh  wrote:
>
>> Not of the reach of your Sam but my Rambouillet was considered to be a 
>> pretty far reach bike, specified for the longest reach caliper out there at 
>> the time which was a non-group Shimano part. They were fine and I replaced 
>> stock pads with something similar when necessary but I was alarmed by a 
>> long descent in pouring rain that came up during a local charity ride. It 
>> was like there was no braking at all. 
>>
>> I went beyond different pads and got a set of Paul Racer center pulls 
>> center mount version with the salmon pads and all is well. I have to admit 
>> I was in the market for more clearance around the tires so I could better 
>> size fenders to cover the 32mm tires that I found made the bike handle its 
>> best. Midlife crisis for my Ram: new calipers, 32mm RH EL tires and fenders 
>> that covered them with adequate clearance and didn't rattle during braking. 
>>
>> I didn't undo the bars either, just modified the housing run and stop at 
>> the seat tube lug and replaced the cable. There's some Rambouillet in the 
>> Sam's blood.
>>
>> Andy Cheatham
>> Pittsburgh
>>
>> On Monday, December 20, 2021 at 10:02:43 AM UTC-5 bjmi...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Good morning!
>>> I picked up a 2013 Sam in late October and LOVE it for a billion 
>>> different reasons.
>>>
>>> However...one area where I really prefer my Atlantis is braking. I have 
>>> the Shimano DXR MX70 levers and v-brakes on the Atlantis and I feel like 
>>> the stopping power is incredible. This is my commuter bike, set up with 
>>> chocos for upright riding with lots of stops.
>>>
>>> Sam has Shimano Tiagra levers and the Tektro r559 brakes. They just feel 
>>> a million times weaker. I can stop, but it's a much more gradual experience 
>>> than the v-brakes. The braking feels squishy. Like...I pull the levers and 
>>> the pads hit the rims, but I can keep pulling the levers and there's just 
>>> not much that happens in terms of stopping. It's almost as if not enough 
>>> force gets transferred into the pads.
>>>
>>> The brakes are set up correctly, slight toe-in, arm that moves up toward 
>>> the rim has pad touching at bottom of braking surface, arm that moves down 
>>> toward rim has pad at top of braking surface. I think they contact the rim 
>>> with the appropriate amount of movement of the lever, too.
>>>
>>> I'm about to re-do all cables and housings (even though it kind of kills 
>>> me to undo one of Mark's bar wrap jobs). Any tips on 

[RBW] Re: Secret Platy

[Joe Bernard]

That's just the prettiest bike ever! 

As for having 3 Rivs that's pretty much the bare minimum around here, some 
of us would consider it a starter package. 浪

Keeping the Clem: Don't ever sell it! It has the sentimental value and all 
that pretty red and orange ano and it's supposed to be with you. 

Joe "needs two more Rivs" Bernard 

On Tuesday, December 21, 2021 at 6:34:35 AM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> I’ve gotten questions about my no-longer Super Secret Bike, so I’ll answer 
> them here, and attach photos (which you may have already seen on Analog’s 
> Instagram or the Mermaid thread). The photos are courtesy of Analog. I 
> don’t yet have the bike. It was ordered in May, and only now have the parts 
> arrived to make it a whole bike.
>
> I made the decision to make my pair of Rivendells a trio this summer. I 
> made a new goal to run more errands by bike. This was a challenge, because 
> as I’ve said before, the hills/mountains in Vegas are punishing. My 
> raspberry Platypus is set up with only a saddlebag support; I wanted to 
> keep that bike unburdened. The Clem is heavy, and putting a load and then 
> pedaling up the mountain was miserable. So, a 3rd bike, a mixte, with racks 
> and bags was on my wish list. A bike I could load up and lock up, and not 
> worry about. The Rosco Platy was rumored to be arriving in July, and I was 
> hoping for one of those. But news came that they would have beefy tubing 
> and were delayed indefinitely, so I gave up that idea. 
>
> It occurred to me I could try for another Platypus. But the presale was 
> long over and the new Platys were all living with their new owners. BUT, I 
> found one dealer who had a 55 mermaid frame sitting in the box and no one 
> had purchased it. I bought it had the frame sent to Analog and they did a 
> complete build for me in their trademark colorful style. We went with an 
> earthy look; greens and golds on that mermaid paint. We mixed up the brake 
> colors (one side bronze, one side green) and had a lot of fun with colorful 
> spoke nipples and valve stems. The lime pedals slay me. SON makes colorful 
> lights, so we added those as well. And best of all, I got to try Garbaruk - 
> prettier cogs and pulleys might exist but I’m doubtful. This is my first 1x 
> build. The front and rear Nitto racks were saved from previous bikes and 
> will be installed with the lights mounted on them. I will add olive 
> Backabikes on the rear and a Goldilocks Fanny to the bars.
>
> Since the bike was ordered, major life changes have occurred. We moved to 
> southwest Michigan last week, and the Clem would be no trouble on the 
> elevation here. This 2nd Platy is now probably superfluous. But, I’m still 
> overjoyed to have it, and like the other 2 bikes, it will get plenty of 
> miles. The winter has been mild so far and in between the chores of setting 
> up the new house and unpacking our things, I’ve been out on some brief 
> rides. People here keep telling me I need a “beater bike” for the winter, 
> but I just like riding my Rivendells. Should I tell them this is my beater 
> bike? 
>
> A common question I get that I’ll address here: Why don’t you sell the 
> Clem? Or let it be the utilitarian bike?
>
> The Clem will never be for sale. It’s hopelessly sentimental to me. I know 
> it’s hard to believe I’d care more about the Clem than the fancy mermaid 
> Platypus, but I do. That Clem is a hug. Everyone should have one.
>
> Three Rivendells is my limit. No more bikes, ever. I’m set!
> Pics in the next post…
> Leah
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Did Rivendell publish a Hillibike catalog?

[Patrick Moore]

Thanks, Keith; noted about the spec limits of those bikes. I'll be
interested to hear of your experiences as you continue to modify yours. And
yes, nothing like a test ride.

But fully 3" 622 tires are non-negotiable in my instance, so I'll
regretfully rule out Hillibikes. Add to this another commentator's opinion
that the Hillibikes do not lend themselves to a pedaling style that favors
saddle-back, torso-forward, low-cadence torquing at low r's pm; and that is
the way I ride, particularly since the hypothesized bike in question, a
Monocog replacement, would be geared at about 65" yet still have to
negotiate sand up to 4" deep.

On Mon, Dec 20, 2021 at 1:39 PM iamkeith  wrote:

> Patrick,
>
> Also remember that the hillibikes were designed with 2.6" MAX tires in
> mind.  At some point, using wheels/rubber with a different overall diameter
> than intended is going to negatively affect the way  a bike is
> experienced.  It could work both ways (whether you go bigger or smaller),
> but will alter trail/steering, bb height/center of gravity, and probably
> some less obvious things that I'm not considering.  The availability of
> suitable rims and brakes undoubtedly had something to do with the design
> choices, but there always has to be a narrow, "optimal" size range.  I
> wouldn't be surprised if this is why Grant so often makes the fork crown
> the critical clearance spot:  extra width helps in the case of a bent rim,
> but extra height only encourages too-big tires.
>
> I'm not totally comfortable telling you how you might like the bike,
> because I'm still dialing it in myself.  I pushed the tire size moslty
> because I couldn't find a slick tire in 29x2.6, so I might end up with
> something smaller but more aggressive than I thought I wanted, before
> settling on the optimum solution.  I'll probably end up with a different
> handlebar, too.  ( I went through half a dozen on my Clem, before I ended
> up with the ones currently transfered to my Susie - but they're different
> bikes.)
>
> I think you should see if someone on the list has one in your area that
> you could try.  I'd be willing to bet that a good, supple, 2.6 tire could
> give you exactly what you want, if the rest of the fit and handling are to
> your liking.  I'm heavier than you, so *everything* should work better
> for you.  But, bottom line again is this:  if you really want 3" or bigger
> tires, you probably want a bike designed around them.
>
>
>
>
> On Monday, December 20, 2021 at 9:36:47 AM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> OK, I understand you now: 3" fit fine **except** under the fork crown.
>> Too bad.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> On Sun, Dec 19, 2021 at 7:13 PM iamkeith  wrote:
>>
>>> No way three inch tires are fitting under the fork crown on Susie.
>>> Here's a pic from a ride last eek (snow came very late this year, and I
>>> regretfully decided to push my luck on a wet, dirt road.)
>>>
>>> On Sunday, December 19, 2021 at 6:49:14 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
 Keith: Thanks for this, very good to know. You said that 75 mm tires
 (2.95") fit with ample room to spare on the Susie Longbolts; thus true 3
 inchers -- 76 mm -- should fit at more than a pinch; right? (That's a
 question, asking for an answer.)

 So, I hope that the Suzy is a true option for a sand cruiser, as far as
 tire width goes. Next question: You say, Rivs encourage seated pedaling.
 This worries me, because I like high-torque, low-rpm pedaling, and this is
 not for chainstay reasons, but rather because I find it more comfortable --
 I feel more efficient torquing at low rpm, and I run out of breath when I
 sit and twiddle uphill; even in my breathless senescence, I like shoving
 back behind the bb and shoving forward on the pedals. Doubtless much of
 this is habituation; I used to be a twiddler who would maintain 21-23 mph
 over long distances on the flat in a 64" gear; but even in these years I'd
 rarely used the lower gears on my cassette, and very clearly recall
 standing to climb while shifting down just 5 or 10 gear inches under my 65"
 - 70" cruising gears (now, 25 years later, my cruising gears are more like
 7--75"). At any rate, I like to torque, and find 60" a nice climbing gear
 for moderate, extended climbs (Tramway). I don't want a frame that makes
 standing and honking awkward. Can you elaborate on your observation and on
 my anxieties?

 Also, I fear bars too high. I've always been more comfortable with a
 sufficient bend between hips and thighs, and the few times I tried High and
 Close the bike has felt tippy, awkward, inefficient, hard to pedal. Note:
 this over decades of bike setup. Can a Susan be built to allow a
 comfortable forward-lean position?

 Must look up the Scapegoat. Would you kindly post a photo? But I dream
 of the superlative Rivendell handling with a bike that will take 75s and
 let me shove back and torque 

Re: [RBW] Creaky Creaks?

[Patrick Moore]

Now that you mention it, yes, I've had pedals cause this sort of
elusive cadence-related creaking or, in my case, more of a clicking.
In this case it was a pair of ancient Dura Ace SPD pedals, and I
solved the problem by regreasing them (simply unscrewed body from
bearing core, filled bearing space in body with grease, shoved
bearing/spindle core back in and tightened down: Robert
Gascoyne-Cecil, 3rd Marquess of Salisbury's yer uncle!

One more tangential but wholly not-unrelated incident: I acquired a
sudden, rhythmic "click" while pedaling one particular bike, and could
not find the source. After long fretting, I tripped over the reason:
the aiglet on the slightly too-long lace of my left SPD shoe -- which
I had just started wearing in preference to the Velcro shoes I usually
wore -- was hitting the dt water bottle cage.

On Tue, Dec 21, 2021 at 11:48 AM Ryan  wrote:
>
> or pedals if they're MKS ...had this happen to me twice
>
> On Tuesday, December 21, 2021 at 12:36:01 PM UTC-6 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> I know, it seems very unlikely, but I've found bars and seatposts to cause 
>> this sort of creak after long and anguished searches, and much to my 
>> surprise.
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 21, 2021 at 11:27 AM Philip Barrett  wrote:
>>>
>>> BB was installed by Rivendell and looks to be typical of their high quality 
>>> work.
>>>
>>> You know I thought seatpost, then thought...nah...but actually that does 
>>> make sense. Hex head in hand now.
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[RBW] Re: WTB/WTT: Paul Racer Silver (for black)

[JohnS]

Hello Taylor,

I have a pair of Racers in silver that I would like to sell. I was planning 
to convert my Surly Pacer to 650B, but I didn't like the look or ride, so I 
gave up on it. So the brakes are nearly new, only rode around the block 
with them. The reach is too long for the Pacer, so I may as well sell them 
to someone who can use them. I'll PM you with the details and pics later 
today.

JohnS

On Tuesday, December 21, 2021 at 11:31:45 AM UTC-5 lconley wrote:

> The panda look requires you to mix the black and silver parts between the 
> brakes, I believe.
>
> Laing
>
> On Tuesday, December 21, 2021 at 11:20:02 AM UTC-5 Taylor M wrote:
>
>> I have an incoming A Homer Hilsen and a set of mismatched Paul Racer 
>> brakes, one black (front) and one brushed silver (rear). Anyone have a 
>> silver front Racer brake to sell or trade for a black one? Also happy to 
>> buy a complete set if that's preferrable.
>>
>> If not, the panda look is cool now, right...?
>>
>> Thanks!
>> T
>>
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Re: [RBW] Creaky Creaks?

[Ryan]

or pedals if they're MKS ...had this happen to me twice

On Tuesday, December 21, 2021 at 12:36:01 PM UTC-6 Patrick Moore wrote:

> I know, it seems very unlikely, but I've found bars and seatposts to cause 
> this sort of creak after long and anguished searches, and much to my 
> surprise.
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 21, 2021 at 11:27 AM Philip Barrett  
> wrote:
>
>> BB was installed by Rivendell and looks to be typical of their high 
>> quality work.
>>
>> You know I thought seatpost, then thought...nah...but actually that does 
>> make sense. Hex head in hand now.
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Creaky Creaks?

[Patrick Moore]

I know, it seems very unlikely, but I've found bars and seatposts to cause
this sort of creak after long and anguished searches, and much to my
surprise.


On Tue, Dec 21, 2021 at 11:27 AM Philip Barrett 
wrote:

> BB was installed by Rivendell and looks to be typical of their high
> quality work.
>
> You know I thought seatpost, then thought...nah...but actually that does
> make sense. Hex head in hand now.
>

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Re: [RBW] Creaky Creaks?

[Philip Barrett]

BB was installed by Rivendell and looks to be typical of their high quality 
work.

You know I thought seatpost, then thought...nah...but actually that does 
make sense. Hex head in hand now.



On Tuesday, December 21, 2021 at 12:24:47 PM UTC-6 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Victor may well be right in his diagnosis, but just in case, because I've 
> found them myself to cause elusive creaks that occured in time to pedaling 
> rhythm.
>
> 1. If the creak occurs while seated, try tightening or greasing the mating 
> interfaces of the seatpost in the frame and the seatpost cradle.
>
> 2. Try tightening the handlebar clamp, or grease the bar-to-bar-clamp 
> interface.
>
> On Tue, Dec 21, 2021 at 10:53 AM Philip Barrett  
> wrote:
>
>> Trying to diagnose a problem here, there's a creak when I apply a more 
>> powerful stroke on the Platypus. It sounds like it's coming from the bottom 
>> bracket area but of course, hard to tell when I'm riding. If I'm just 
>> spinning along it doesn't appear. 
>>
>> So far I've checked the bottom bracket (tight & smooth), tightened up 
>> crank arms & chainring bolts and basically gone through the rest of the 
>> bike checking for anything loose but the problem persists & maybe even 
>> getting a little worse.
>>
>> Any ideas?
>>
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Re: [RBW] Creaky Creaks?

[Patrick Moore]

Victor may well be right in his diagnosis, but just in case, because I've
found them myself to cause elusive creaks that occured in time to pedaling
rhythm.

1. If the creak occurs while seated, try tightening or greasing the mating
interfaces of the seatpost in the frame and the seatpost cradle.

2. Try tightening the handlebar clamp, or grease the bar-to-bar-clamp
interface.

On Tue, Dec 21, 2021 at 10:53 AM Philip Barrett 
wrote:

> Trying to diagnose a problem here, there's a creak when I apply a more
> powerful stroke on the Platypus. It sounds like it's coming from the bottom
> bracket area but of course, hard to tell when I'm riding. If I'm just
> spinning along it doesn't appear.
>
> So far I've checked the bottom bracket (tight & smooth), tightened up
> crank arms & chainring bolts and basically gone through the rest of the
> bike checking for anything loose but the problem persists & maybe even
> getting a little worse.
>
> Any ideas?
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Re: [RBW] Creaky Creaks?

[Victor Hanson]

First; was the bottom bracket faced and chased prior to BB installation?
That's 98% + the most of the time culprit.

Secondly, its the old school method of doing, assuming the BB was faced and
chased, is the fixed side snugged in with blue loctite?

Get both of those criteria right, you should have no sound.

VTW


On Tue, Dec 21, 2021 at 9:53 AM Philip Barrett 
wrote:

> Trying to diagnose a problem here, there's a creak when I apply a more
> powerful stroke on the Platypus. It sounds like it's coming from the bottom
> bracket area but of course, hard to tell when I'm riding. If I'm just
> spinning along it doesn't appear.
>
> So far I've checked the bottom bracket (tight & smooth), tightened up
> crank arms & chainring bolts and basically gone through the rest of the
> bike checking for anything loose but the problem persists & maybe even
> getting a little worse.
>
> Any ideas?
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[RBW] Creaky Creaks?

[Philip Barrett]

Trying to diagnose a problem here, there's a creak when I apply a more 
powerful stroke on the Platypus. It sounds like it's coming from the bottom 
bracket area but of course, hard to tell when I'm riding. If I'm just 
spinning along it doesn't appear. 

So far I've checked the bottom bracket (tight & smooth), tightened up crank 
arms & chainring bolts and basically gone through the rest of the bike 
checking for anything loose but the problem persists & maybe even getting a 
little worse.

Any ideas?

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Re: [RBW] Secret Platy

[Ryan]

Thanks for telling the story. No, 3 Rivendells is not excessive...don't 
tell let anyone tell you different! Your Platys are gorgeous! I do like 
this latest iteration even though I'm normally a silver component kind of 
gal. The green and gold accents  with the mermaid colour  really pop!

Enjoy and I hope you enjoy your new location! 

Ryan in Winnipeg

On Tuesday, December 21, 2021 at 10:00:02 AM UTC-6 bjmi...@gmail.com wrote:

> Leah,
>
> 1. Hell yeah! What a bike!
> 2. I love the pops of green and gold on this build. It looks perfect. The 
> two colors for arms of the v-brakes? Absolute chef's kiss.
> 3. Whats your gearing? I love a 1x set up that can get less than 1:1 with 
> a big cassette. As much as I love my Atlantis build, I almost never use the 
> granny gear and I daydream about a `1x set up for it. 
>
> Good stuff! Thanks for sharing!
>
> Ben
>
> On Tuesday, December 21, 2021 at 8:43:15 AM UTC-6 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Dec 21, 2021, at 8:34 AM, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
>> jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I’ve gotten questions about my no-longer Super Secret Bike, so I’ll 
>> answer them here, and attach photos (which you may have already seen on 
>> Analog’s Instagram or the Mermaid thread). The photos are courtesy of 
>> Analog. I don’t yet have the bike. It was ordered in May, and only now have 
>> the parts arrived to make it a whole bike.
>>
>>
>> I made the decision to make my pair of Rivendells a trio this summer. I 
>> made a new goal to run more errands by bike. This was a challenge, because 
>> as I’ve said before, the hills/mountains in Vegas are punishing. My 
>> raspberry Platypus is set up with only a saddlebag support; I wanted to 
>> keep that bike unburdened. The Clem is heavy, and putting a load and then 
>> pedaling up the mountain was miserable. So, a 3rd bike, a mixte, with racks 
>> and bags was on my wish list. A bike I could load up and lock up, and not 
>> worry about. The Rosco Platy was rumored to be arriving in July, and I was 
>> hoping for one of those. But news came that they would have beefy tubing 
>> and were delayed indefinitely, so I gave up that idea. 
>>
>> It occurred to me I could try for another Platypus. But the presale was 
>> long over and the new Platys were all living with their new owners. BUT, I 
>> found one dealer who had a 55 mermaid frame sitting in the box and no one 
>> had purchased it. I bought it had the frame sent to Analog and they did a 
>> complete build for me in their trademark colorful style. We went with an 
>> earthy look; greens and golds on that mermaid paint. We mixed up the brake 
>> colors (one side bronze, one side green) and had a lot of fun with colorful 
>> spoke nipples and valve stems. The lime pedals slay me. SON makes colorful 
>> lights, so we added those as well. And best of all, I got to try Garbaruk - 
>> prettier cogs and pulleys might exist but I’m doubtful. This is my first 1x 
>> build. The front and rear Nitto racks were saved from previous bikes and 
>> will be installed with the lights mounted on them. I will add olive 
>> Backabikes on the rear and a Goldilocks Fanny to the bars.
>>
>> Since the bike was ordered, major life changes have occurred. We moved to 
>> southwest Michigan last week, and the Clem would be no trouble on the 
>> elevation here. This 2nd Platy is now probably superfluous. But, I’m still 
>> overjoyed to have it, and like the other 2 bikes, it will get plenty of 
>> miles. The winter has been mild so far and in between the chores of setting 
>> up the new house and unpacking our things, I’ve been out on some brief 
>> rides. People here keep telling me I need a “beater bike” for the winter, 
>> but I just like riding my Rivendells. Should I tell them this is my beater 
>> bike? 
>>
>> A common question I get that I’ll address here: Why don’t you sell the 
>> Clem? Or let it be the utilitarian bike?
>>
>> The Clem will never be for sale. It’s hopelessly sentimental to me. I 
>> know it’s hard to believe I’d care more about the Clem than the fancy 
>> mermaid Platypus, but I do. That Clem is a hug. Everyone should have one.
>>
>> Three Rivendells is my limit. No more bikes, ever. I’m set!
>> Pics in the next post…
>> Leah
>>
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[RBW] Re: WTB/WTT: Paul Racer Silver (for black)

[lconley]

The panda look requires you to mix the black and silver parts between the 
brakes, I believe.

Laing

On Tuesday, December 21, 2021 at 11:20:02 AM UTC-5 Taylor M wrote:

> I have an incoming A Homer Hilsen and a set of mismatched Paul Racer 
> brakes, one black (front) and one brushed silver (rear). Anyone have a 
> silver front Racer brake to sell or trade for a black one? Also happy to 
> buy a complete set if that's preferrable.
>
> If not, the panda look is cool now, right...?
>
> Thanks!
> T
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[RBW] WTB/WTT: Paul Racer Silver (for black)

[Taylor M]

I have an incoming A Homer Hilsen and a set of mismatched Paul Racer 
brakes, one black (front) and one brushed silver (rear). Anyone have a 
silver front Racer brake to sell or trade for a black one? Also happy to 
buy a complete set if that's preferrable.

If not, the panda look is cool now, right...?

Thanks!
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Re: [RBW] Secret Platy

[Ben Mihovk]

Leah,

1. Hell yeah! What a bike!
2. I love the pops of green and gold on this build. It looks perfect. The 
two colors for arms of the v-brakes? Absolute chef's kiss.
3. Whats your gearing? I love a 1x set up that can get less than 1:1 with a 
big cassette. As much as I love my Atlantis build, I almost never use the 
granny gear and I daydream about a `1x set up for it. 

Good stuff! Thanks for sharing!

Ben

On Tuesday, December 21, 2021 at 8:43:15 AM UTC-6 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

>
>
> On Dec 21, 2021, at 8:34 AM, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!  
> wrote:
>
> I’ve gotten questions about my no-longer Super Secret Bike, so I’ll 
> answer them here, and attach photos (which you may have already seen on 
> Analog’s Instagram or the Mermaid thread). The photos are courtesy of 
> Analog. I don’t yet have the bike. It was ordered in May, and only now have 
> the parts arrived to make it a whole bike.
>
>
> I made the decision to make my pair of Rivendells a trio this summer. I 
> made a new goal to run more errands by bike. This was a challenge, because 
> as I’ve said before, the hills/mountains in Vegas are punishing. My 
> raspberry Platypus is set up with only a saddlebag support; I wanted to 
> keep that bike unburdened. The Clem is heavy, and putting a load and then 
> pedaling up the mountain was miserable. So, a 3rd bike, a mixte, with racks 
> and bags was on my wish list. A bike I could load up and lock up, and not 
> worry about. The Rosco Platy was rumored to be arriving in July, and I was 
> hoping for one of those. But news came that they would have beefy tubing 
> and were delayed indefinitely, so I gave up that idea. 
>
> It occurred to me I could try for another Platypus. But the presale was 
> long over and the new Platys were all living with their new owners. BUT, I 
> found one dealer who had a 55 mermaid frame sitting in the box and no one 
> had purchased it. I bought it had the frame sent to Analog and they did a 
> complete build for me in their trademark colorful style. We went with an 
> earthy look; greens and golds on that mermaid paint. We mixed up the brake 
> colors (one side bronze, one side green) and had a lot of fun with colorful 
> spoke nipples and valve stems. The lime pedals slay me. SON makes colorful 
> lights, so we added those as well. And best of all, I got to try Garbaruk - 
> prettier cogs and pulleys might exist but I’m doubtful. This is my first 1x 
> build. The front and rear Nitto racks were saved from previous bikes and 
> will be installed with the lights mounted on them. I will add olive 
> Backabikes on the rear and a Goldilocks Fanny to the bars.
>
> Since the bike was ordered, major life changes have occurred. We moved to 
> southwest Michigan last week, and the Clem would be no trouble on the 
> elevation here. This 2nd Platy is now probably superfluous. But, I’m still 
> overjoyed to have it, and like the other 2 bikes, it will get plenty of 
> miles. The winter has been mild so far and in between the chores of setting 
> up the new house and unpacking our things, I’ve been out on some brief 
> rides. People here keep telling me I need a “beater bike” for the winter, 
> but I just like riding my Rivendells. Should I tell them this is my beater 
> bike? 
>
> A common question I get that I’ll address here: Why don’t you sell the 
> Clem? Or let it be the utilitarian bike?
>
> The Clem will never be for sale. It’s hopelessly sentimental to me. I know 
> it’s hard to believe I’d care more about the Clem than the fancy mermaid 
> Platypus, but I do. That Clem is a hug. Everyone should have one.
>
> Three Rivendells is my limit. No more bikes, ever. I’m set!
> Pics in the next post…
> Leah
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Secret Platy

[Dorothy C]

Congratulations Leah, I am so happy for you. I know what it is like to buy 
one Rivendell and love it so much you don’t want to ride anything else. My 
first was an Appaloosa, followed by a grey Roadini which is now on long 
term loan with my sister in Wales, Then a Cheviot, then a chameleon Clem 
(irresistible color), and finally an orange Roadini. I have them all set up 
differently for different purposes and ride them all equally. 
Your build is stunning. 
On Tuesday, December 21, 2021 at 6:43:15 AM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

>
>
> On Dec 21, 2021, at 8:34 AM, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!  
> wrote:
>
> I’ve gotten questions about my no-longer Super Secret Bike, so I’ll 
> answer them here, and attach photos (which you may have already seen on 
> Analog’s Instagram or the Mermaid thread). The photos are courtesy of 
> Analog. I don’t yet have the bike. It was ordered in May, and only now have 
> the parts arrived to make it a whole bike.
>
>
> I made the decision to make my pair of Rivendells a trio this summer. I 
> made a new goal to run more errands by bike. This was a challenge, because 
> as I’ve said before, the hills/mountains in Vegas are punishing. My 
> raspberry Platypus is set up with only a saddlebag support; I wanted to 
> keep that bike unburdened. The Clem is heavy, and putting a load and then 
> pedaling up the mountain was miserable. So, a 3rd bike, a mixte, with racks 
> and bags was on my wish list. A bike I could load up and lock up, and not 
> worry about. The Rosco Platy was rumored to be arriving in July, and I was 
> hoping for one of those. But news came that they would have beefy tubing 
> and were delayed indefinitely, so I gave up that idea. 
>
> It occurred to me I could try for another Platypus. But the presale was 
> long over and the new Platys were all living with their new owners. BUT, I 
> found one dealer who had a 55 mermaid frame sitting in the box and no one 
> had purchased it. I bought it had the frame sent to Analog and they did a 
> complete build for me in their trademark colorful style. We went with an 
> earthy look; greens and golds on that mermaid paint. We mixed up the brake 
> colors (one side bronze, one side green) and had a lot of fun with colorful 
> spoke nipples and valve stems. The lime pedals slay me. SON makes colorful 
> lights, so we added those as well. And best of all, I got to try Garbaruk - 
> prettier cogs and pulleys might exist but I’m doubtful. This is my first 1x 
> build. The front and rear Nitto racks were saved from previous bikes and 
> will be installed with the lights mounted on them. I will add olive 
> Backabikes on the rear and a Goldilocks Fanny to the bars.
>
> Since the bike was ordered, major life changes have occurred. We moved to 
> southwest Michigan last week, and the Clem would be no trouble on the 
> elevation here. This 2nd Platy is now probably superfluous. But, I’m still 
> overjoyed to have it, and like the other 2 bikes, it will get plenty of 
> miles. The winter has been mild so far and in between the chores of setting 
> up the new house and unpacking our things, I’ve been out on some brief 
> rides. People here keep telling me I need a “beater bike” for the winter, 
> but I just like riding my Rivendells. Should I tell them this is my beater 
> bike? 
>
> A common question I get that I’ll address here: Why don’t you sell the 
> Clem? Or let it be the utilitarian bike?
>
> The Clem will never be for sale. It’s hopelessly sentimental to me. I know 
> it’s hard to believe I’d care more about the Clem than the fancy mermaid 
> Platypus, but I do. That Clem is a hug. Everyone should have one.
>
> Three Rivendells is my limit. No more bikes, ever. I’m set!
> Pics in the next post…
> Leah
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Gus or Susie, am I crazy?

[Patrick Moore]

Thanks, especially for the photos. No, can't go wrong with RH tires!


On Saturday, December 18, 2021 at 4:05:31 AM UTC-8 kelv...@me.com wrote:

> Patrick, I live in Singapore. Sorry for the long delay, hope the photos make 
> it through. This was right when I first built it up, I've since swapped out 
> the stem for a slightly shorter one (100mm-80mm) and added a Happisack, which 
> led me to an interesting observation of how the Gus Boots much prefers a rear 
> load as compared to a front load.
>
> It's mostly paved roads around here in Singapore, we only have a few trails 
> around, one of which requires taking a 15min boat ride out to a small island, 
> but I am curious about 2.6" tires on the Gus, will definitely try those 
> someday but for now am enjoying the extremely quiet and supple ride quality 
> of the RH Umtanum Ridges.
>
> Kelvin

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[RBW] Secret Platy

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

I’ve gotten questions about my no-longer Super Secret Bike, so I’ll answer 
them here, and attach photos (which you may have already seen on Analog’s 
Instagram or the Mermaid thread). The photos are courtesy of Analog. I 
don’t yet have the bike. It was ordered in May, and only now have the parts 
arrived to make it a whole bike.

I made the decision to make my pair of Rivendells a trio this summer. I 
made a new goal to run more errands by bike. This was a challenge, because 
as I’ve said before, the hills/mountains in Vegas are punishing. My 
raspberry Platypus is set up with only a saddlebag support; I wanted to 
keep that bike unburdened. The Clem is heavy, and putting a load and then 
pedaling up the mountain was miserable. So, a 3rd bike, a mixte, with racks 
and bags was on my wish list. A bike I could load up and lock up, and not 
worry about. The Rosco Platy was rumored to be arriving in July, and I was 
hoping for one of those. But news came that they would have beefy tubing 
and were delayed indefinitely, so I gave up that idea. 

It occurred to me I could try for another Platypus. But the presale was 
long over and the new Platys were all living with their new owners. BUT, I 
found one dealer who had a 55 mermaid frame sitting in the box and no one 
had purchased it. I bought it had the frame sent to Analog and they did a 
complete build for me in their trademark colorful style. We went with an 
earthy look; greens and golds on that mermaid paint. We mixed up the brake 
colors (one side bronze, one side green) and had a lot of fun with colorful 
spoke nipples and valve stems. The lime pedals slay me. SON makes colorful 
lights, so we added those as well. And best of all, I got to try Garbaruk - 
prettier cogs and pulleys might exist but I’m doubtful. This is my first 1x 
build. The front and rear Nitto racks were saved from previous bikes and 
will be installed with the lights mounted on them. I will add olive 
Backabikes on the rear and a Goldilocks Fanny to the bars.

Since the bike was ordered, major life changes have occurred. We moved to 
southwest Michigan last week, and the Clem would be no trouble on the 
elevation here. This 2nd Platy is now probably superfluous. But, I’m still 
overjoyed to have it, and like the other 2 bikes, it will get plenty of 
miles. The winter has been mild so far and in between the chores of setting 
up the new house and unpacking our things, I’ve been out on some brief 
rides. People here keep telling me I need a “beater bike” for the winter, 
but I just like riding my Rivendells. Should I tell them this is my beater 
bike? 

A common question I get that I’ll address here: Why don’t you sell the 
Clem? Or let it be the utilitarian bike?

The Clem will never be for sale. It’s hopelessly sentimental to me. I know 
it’s hard to believe I’d care more about the Clem than the fancy mermaid 
Platypus, but I do. That Clem is a hug. Everyone should have one.

Three Rivendells is my limit. No more bikes, ever. I’m set!
Pics in the next post…
Leah


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[RBW] Re: Mermaid Builds

[Erik]

Thank you for sharing that, Roberta!

On Monday, December 20, 2021 at 7:56:52 PM UTC-8 Roberta wrote:

> My Platy pics were posted by me on June 15 in this Long thread. 
> https://groups.google.com/g/rbw-owners-bunch/c/5Qe4GAOJReQ/m/VDaBTF_eBAAJ 
>  
>
> Most components on my bike two tone, mostly silver with bit of black. 
> Wheels have more color when not dusty.   I think it’s a classy look on a 
> Platy but you can go bolder on a Gus.   I let Candice at analog pick the 
> scheme. She “gets” my style. I did opt for black wall tires for extra flat 
> protection, if that’s a thing. Looking forward to seeing your new bike. 
> Roberta
>
> On Sunday, December 19, 2021 at 3:59:52 PM UTC-5 Erik wrote:
>
>> In anticipation of the new mermaid Gus I picked up in the presale this 
>> week,  I'm thinking through my existing components and wondering if I 
>> should lean toward a black or silver build.  I had my orange Susie set up 
>> with pretty much all silver everything with yellow and lime green bolts and 
>> accents, but am wondering how that will look on the mermaid color. I've 
>> been browsing photos on IG, but I'd love to see how folks on the list have 
>> set up their mermaid Appaloosas and Platypuses, what bar tape colors you've 
>> tried, component colors, etc. 
>
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[RBW] GBW specs?

[Wally Estrella]

This info was listed on the Riv Susie page:

"These numbers are important:

seat post: 26.8mm

FD clamp: 28.6mm 

Standard 1" threaded headset (included)

73mm bottom bracket shell"


Aside from headset difference of 1-1/8" on GBW is everything else the same?


TIA!

Wally in Maine



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[RBW] Re: Mermaid Builds

[Wally Estrella]

Roberta, 
What a lovely bicycle for sure! I'm glad I went with the mermaid over the 
orange for my Gus.  Besides I'd get questioned with "You have an orange 
bike already (the Quickbeam)!" 


On Monday, December 20, 2021 at 10:56:52 PM UTC-5 Roberta wrote:

> My Platy pics were posted by me on June 15 in this Long thread. 
> https://groups.google.com/g/rbw-owners-bunch/c/5Qe4GAOJReQ/m/VDaBTF_eBAAJ 
>  
>
> Most components on my bike two tone, mostly silver with bit of black. 
> Wheels have more color when not dusty.   I think it’s a classy look on a 
> Platy but you can go bolder on a Gus.   I let Candice at analog pick the 
> scheme. She “gets” my style. I did opt for black wall tires for extra flat 
> protection, if that’s a thing. Looking forward to seeing your new bike. 
> Roberta
>
> On Sunday, December 19, 2021 at 3:59:52 PM UTC-5 Erik wrote:
>
>> In anticipation of the new mermaid Gus I picked up in the presale this 
>> week,  I'm thinking through my existing components and wondering if I 
>> should lean toward a black or silver build.  I had my orange Susie set up 
>> with pretty much all silver everything with yellow and lime green bolts and 
>> accents, but am wondering how that will look on the mermaid color. I've 
>> been browsing photos on IG, but I'd love to see how folks on the list have 
>> set up their mermaid Appaloosas and Platypuses, what bar tape colors you've 
>> tried, component colors, etc. 
>
>

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Re: [RBW] The Cycling Reporter: Herbsaint Sazerac

[Eric Marth]

I won't spoil anything but there are indeed some really great cycling bits 
in there! It's available to purchase on streaming services as of this week. 

On Monday, December 20, 2021 at 10:45:50 PM UTC-5 Robert Tilley wrote:

> I’m looking forward to seeing this. I love Wes Anderson movies and adding 
> bikes into the mix just makes it that much better.
>
> Robert Tilley
> San Diego, CA
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Dec 20, 2021, at 11:40 AM, Eric Marth  wrote:
>
> Hi all – I just watched the French Dispatch after a long wait for it to 
> arrive to streaming services. I was delighted, as always, by a new Wes 
> Anderson movie. 
>
>
> Owen Wilson plays a writer who explores and reports from a fictional 
> French city by bicycle. His handlebars are appointed with a small spiral 
> notebook and he rides with a Leica M3 around his neck. 
>
> I'm not a French bike enthusiast but I just had to figure out which frame 
> he's riding. Turns out it's a Manufrance. Apologies for *three* 
> non-drive-side 
> photos, that's how
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[RBW] Re: Suggestions for better braking?

[ascpgh]

Not of the reach of your Sam but my Rambouillet was considered to be a 
pretty far reach bike, specified for the longest reach caliper out there at 
the time which was a non-group Shimano part. They were fine and I replaced 
stock pads with something similar when necessary but I was alarmed by a 
long descent in pouring rain that came up during a local charity ride. It 
was like there was no braking at all. 

I went beyond different pads and got a set of Paul Racer center pulls 
center mount version with the salmon pads and all is well. I have to admit 
I was in the market for more clearance around the tires so I could better 
size fenders to cover the 32mm tires that I found made the bike handle its 
best. Midlife crisis for my Ram: new calipers, 32mm RH EL tires and fenders 
that covered them with adequate clearance and didn't rattle during braking. 

I didn't undo the bars either, just modified the housing run and stop at 
the seat tube lug and replaced the cable. There's some Rambouillet in the 
Sam's blood.

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh

On Monday, December 20, 2021 at 10:02:43 AM UTC-5 bjmi...@gmail.com wrote:

> Good morning!
> I picked up a 2013 Sam in late October and LOVE it for a billion different 
> reasons.
>
> However...one area where I really prefer my Atlantis is braking. I have 
> the Shimano DXR MX70 levers and v-brakes on the Atlantis and I feel like 
> the stopping power is incredible. This is my commuter bike, set up with 
> chocos for upright riding with lots of stops.
>
> Sam has Shimano Tiagra levers and the Tektro r559 brakes. They just feel a 
> million times weaker. I can stop, but it's a much more gradual experience 
> than the v-brakes. The braking feels squishy. Like...I pull the levers and 
> the pads hit the rims, but I can keep pulling the levers and there's just 
> not much that happens in terms of stopping. It's almost as if not enough 
> force gets transferred into the pads.
>
> The brakes are set up correctly, slight toe-in, arm that moves up toward 
> the rim has pad touching at bottom of braking surface, arm that moves down 
> toward rim has pad at top of braking surface. I think they contact the rim 
> with the appropriate amount of movement of the lever, too.
>
> I'm about to re-do all cables and housings (even though it kind of kills 
> me to undo one of Mark's bar wrap jobs). Any tips on getting a little 
> better braking out of this setup, or are the r559s just going to not be as 
> good as v-brakes no matter how nicely they're set up?
>
> Thanks for any and all thoughts!
>
> Ben in Omaha 
>

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[RBW] Re: Suggestions for better braking?

[Fullylugged]

I run the tektro and RBW Silver branded version on 2 bikes and have no 
issues with them. On downhills, I am in the 30 - 40 mph range often where I 
live and ride, so stopping power is good to have and I've not felt like I 
lacked it.  I replaced the original pads with Salmon on one bike and Aztec 
on another and both are better than factory. A third bike has Mafac 
Professional Centerpulls and it has greater stopping power than the 
calipers.  Old school, but works nicely.  I set mine up so that there is 
very  little lever pull prior to pad contact. I use the Tektro levers on 
all of these bikes.

On Monday, December 20, 2021 at 10:28:47 PM UTC-6 Kushan wrote:

> Has anyone had any experience with the Dia-Compe 610 Centerpull Brakes or 
> their longer reach cousin? Though I have not tried them personally, I have 
> heard that the Gran Compe variety are stiff and provide better braking 
> power and tire clearance than a caliper brake. Rene Hearse center pull can 
> be another option if cost is not a cocern.
>
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