[RBW] Re: Differences between Sam Hillborne and A Homer Hilsen

[Dave C]

What size were each frame? And how much do you weigh, and did you carry a 
lot of gear or minimal gear? Thanks for your input. I have an opportunity 
to buy either one of the exact models you’re discussing, and I’d consider 
the 2018/2019 Hilsen if I thought it was genuinely lighter duty than the 
Sam. 

On Sunday, August 28, 2022 at 7:14:26 PM UTC-7 aeroperf wrote:

> I got a Sam Hillborne in April 2015 (2014 frame, RBW built up and shipped 
> in March 2015). 455mm chainstays.
> I got an A. Homer Hilsen frame in 2019, and built it up myself with Deore 
> 590/591 drive and tektro brakes.  475mm chainstays
>
> I love the Sam.  It is my favorite bike of all time (OF ALL TME!).
> I did not love the Homer.  It just felt “too flexy”.  I purchased it 
> thinking it might be a better “light tourer” than the Sam, but it was too 
> light and too flexible for me.
> Ben used the term “burlier” for the Sam, and I absolutely agree.
>
> They both had almost identical steering sensitivity - not too twitchy and 
> not too stable.  I used 42mm tires for the Sam (700c) and 40mm tires  for 
> the Homer (650b).  At 55 psi I didn’t really feel a noticeable difference 
> due to tires.  Riding was on paved and cinder trails - not fist sized rocks.
>
> But like I say, the Homer just felt too “flexy” for me.  
> The Sam also just seems to me to handle a typical dirt road more 
> comfortably.
>
> BTW - they were set up almost identically.  Same saddle, same Albatross 
> bars… 
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Differences between Sam Hillborne and A Homer Hilsen

[Joe Bernard]

For the time period you're discussing I believe the Homer was the 
almost-flat-toptube Waterford model. That's a very nice (and expensive) 
road frame I owned once and deeply regret selling. I can't compare to a Sam 
but I can say if you find a Waterford or Toyo Homer in your size, buy it 
immediately. I hardly ever see them up for sale, the people who have them 
keep them! 

On Sunday, August 28, 2022 at 4:48:19 PM UTC-7 Dave C wrote:

> Has anyone has extensive experience riding both models, particularly the 
> ones made in the 2015-2018 time period, and had an opportunity to see how 
> they rode differently and handled different terrain? I am very interested 
> in these models but they have changed in some ways over the years and I am 
> trying to get a sense of what made them different besides just brake style 
> and sometimes wheel size.. I have searched the past threads but there is 
> not much direct comparison/contrast information. Thanks, Dave in Carlsbad

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[RBW] Re: Differences between Sam Hillborne and A Homer Hilsen

[Ben Mihovk]

Sorry if this double posts...I typed out my reply and then...nothing!

Effectively, according to Riv's 2018 catalogue, Sam and Homer are 95% the 
same bike, but Sam is stouter and burlier. I'm guessing it's a tubing 
difference and the fact that most Sams have canti posts that can take a 
stronger brake than the sidepull. Comparing geometry from similar sized 
frames from the same year on Bikeinsights shows them to be very similar 
indeed.

I don't think you can go wrong with either, honestly. I love my Sam and I 
know I'd love a Homer. The slightly burlier Sam would be my choice because 
I'm over 200 pounds, but I think I'd never have any issues with a Homer in 
my size.

Ben in Omaha.
On Sunday, August 28, 2022 at 6:48:19 PM UTC-5 Dave C wrote:

> Has anyone has extensive experience riding both models, particularly the 
> ones made in the 2015-2018 time period, and had an opportunity to see how 
> they rode differently and handled different terrain? I am very interested 
> in these models but they have changed in some ways over the years and I am 
> trying to get a sense of what made them different besides just brake style 
> and sometimes wheel size.. I have searched the past threads but there is 
> not much direct comparison/contrast information. Thanks, Dave in Carlsbad

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[RBW] Re: WTB Mark's rack

[Lance Terry]

Don't know if you guys are looking for something for a canti bike but Velo 
Orange has these on sale. I put one on my Sam. Nice rack.
https://velo-orange.com/collections/specials/products/vo-rando-front-rack-cantilever
On Sunday, August 28, 2022 at 2:01:55 PM UTC-6 jeffbog...@hotmail.com wrote:

> I'm also looking for one of these but they appear to be sold out 
> everywhere. Anyone have a lead?
>
> Jeff
> (Alabama)
>
> On Thursday, 18 August 2022 at 08:29:17 UTC-5 wallye...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Looking for a silver Mark's rack
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Wally
>>
>

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[RBW] FS: Black Mtn MCD Size 50 Color Gold $900

[RDS]

*Pics*
:  
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1fa0woQ5CT1ZrVdPOsqz0iJ7KvAlYtxj8?usp=sharing

I purchased this frame back in Jan 2021.  I'd say it has less than 50 miles 
on it and has been sitting in the basement mostly unridden.  I had it 
assembled at a local rei w/ mostly spare parts lying around the house.  
Being overweight w/ short arms and not very flexible, I can no longer 
comfortably ride this type of bike so I therefore am selling it.  I will 
consider splitting the shipping cost to the continental usa using such a 
service as shipbikes or bike flights type of service.

Black Mtn MCD v1.3 size 50, Gold color, plenty of uncut headtube, Cane 
Creek 40 headset, Robert Axle Project Thru-Axles.  Wheelset was made by a 
local wheel builder (Pro Wheel Building in Cumming, GA) and I will paste 
the wheel specs at the end of the listing.  Tires: Continental Speedride, 
700x42 presta valve, Crank arms look to be Velo Orange w/ TA Specialties 
Rings 44x28, wide pedals, Avid BB7 Road disc brakes, Sora brifters, Sora 
Front Derailleur, Deore Rear Derailleur, Generic handlebars approx 52 wide 
c-to-c, Cassette 11x34, IRD seatpost, ISM PR3.0 seat.

*Wheelset:*
Rims: WTB KOM LIGHT TCS I 23 29IN BLACK RIM, Drillings 32, 700c/29er
Hubs: SHIMANO 105 HB R7070 CENTERLOCK DISC BLACK
Front: Thru Axle Front 12x100mm, Shimano Centerlock Lockring (works with 
all axle types)
Rear : Thru Axle Rear12x142mm, Shimano HG/SRAM 8,9,10 or (ROAD 11spd), 
Shimano Centerlock Lockring (works with all axle types) 
Lacing Pattern: 3 Cross
Nipple: DT SWISS BLACK 14G 16MM BRASS NIPPLE
Spokes: DT SWISS CHAMPION 14 GAUGE BLACK SPOKES

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[RBW] Differences between Sam Hillborne and A Homer Hilsen

[Dave C]

Has anyone has extensive experience riding both models, particularly the 
ones made in the 2015-2018 time period, and had an opportunity to see how 
they rode differently and handled different terrain? I am very interested 
in these models but they have changed in some ways over the years and I am 
trying to get a sense of what made them different besides just brake style 
and sometimes wheel size.. I have searched the past threads but there is 
not much direct comparison/contrast information. Thanks, Dave in Carlsbad

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[RBW] Re: Seeking rim input

[Jacob]

I'm running 36h 650b Cliffhangers with 57mm G-One "All-Around". Because the 
rims are tubeless compatible, changing a tubed tire takes a little more 
patience — that's not a deal-breaker for me, but may be for some. I've had 
them for years and have zero complaints. On a side note, working with 
Velocity was a nice experience: great customer service and accurate time 
estimates.

On Sunday, August 28, 2022 at 5:36:53 PM UTC-4 brizbarn wrote:

> Cliffhangers are great. Wider than a lot of other rims, so I think your 
> tire will probably be closer to the marked width.  They are also tubeless 
> compatible, which is at least nice to have that option even if you don't 
> run it.  I run 700c silver 32h with 29 x 2.2" Terravail tires, not 650b but 
> I'm sure that size is great as well. Plenty tough, but not exactly light. 
>  I've also run a Velocity Dyad and they are super tough too. I like the US 
> made factor as well.
>
> On Thursday, August 25, 2022 at 11:20:30 AM UTC-7 cycli...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> For rim brake bikes, I prefer rims with machined sidewalls.  Velocity 
>> Quills are my fav.
>>
>> On Thursday, August 25, 2022 at 10:55:27 AM UTC-7 wboe...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Velocity A23 can also be had in 650b.
>>>
>>> On Thursday, August 25, 2022 at 11:36:20 AM UTC-4 alexander...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I've got an odd wheelset that's Surly disc brake fixed-gear hubs laced 
 to Velocity Quills. Had them a year or two now, and like them. Highest 
 optimal tire width is 47mm according to Velocity, but I'm running 50mm 
 G-Ones and they've worked well. Probably wouldn't want to go too much 
 bigger but I don't have any more room so that wasn't a concern for me 
 anyway.

 On Thursday, August 25, 2022 at 10:19:05 AM UTC-5 Brent B wrote:

> Crust's Rim Brake Rims are really working out for me on my Atlantis 
> and at $105 per rim, they're a pretty good deal. They're very similar to 
> the Pacenti Brevets, but with a slightly wider profile and without the 
> eyelets. Slightly lighter than Brevets and Velocity Quills. I wouldn't 
> put 
> them on a bike that was going to see a lot of rocky trails, but they're 
> stout enough for normal road/trail touring. Only available in 32h, but 
> they 
> are in stock! 
>
> -Brent
>
> On Thursday, 25 August 2022 at 09:39:57 UTC-4 lconley wrote:
>
>> My currently installed 650 B rims:
>> Velocity Quill, polished 36 hole on my Riv custom.
>> Velocity Cliffhanger, polished 40 hole on my Bombadil.
>> Velocity Cliffhanger, polished 48 hole on my Riv Keven's Mixte Cargo 
>> bike.
>> Alex DM-23, silver 40 hole on my Hubbuhubbuh.
>> Alex DM-23, silver 36 hole on my Medium Mountain Mixte.
>> Velocity Cliffhanger, black 36 hole on the rear of my Crustendell 
>> Clementine Clydesdale Cargo Cycle.
>> Velocity Atlas, silver 40 hole on my Rosco Baby.
>>
>> I also have some VO Diagonale, polished 36 hole VO touring wheels in 
>> the stash, I have had them installed on various bike in the past, they 
>> were 
>> the 1st wheelset on the Bombadil.
>>
>> All are good. The Velocity Quills are the lightest. Many of my 
>> Velocity rims were custom ordered due some combination of spoke holes 
>> and/or polishing being non-stocked items.
>>
>> Laing
>> Delray Beach FL
>>
>> On Wednesday, August 24, 2022 at 8:51:15 PM UTC-4 
>> plumber...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Hello everyone hope you've all enjoyed a casual ride this weekend!
>>>
>>> I'm looking for some input on rims. I recently purchased a Bombadil 
>>> from a member on here and am planning on having new wheels built up. 
>>> After 
>>> enduring a painful wait I have received my rear hub from White 
>>> Industries 
>>> front will have a generator. Thankfully they were ahead of the initial 
>>> estimated wait time. I have a set of 48mm RH knobbies that I plan on 
>>> running once the wheels are build but might switch it up.  
>>>
>>> What 650B rims are you running these days? 
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance,
>>> Vern
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: Seeking rim input

[brizbarn]

Cliffhangers are great. Wider than a lot of other rims, so I think your 
tire will probably be closer to the marked width.  They are also tubeless 
compatible, which is at least nice to have that option even if you don't 
run it.  I run 700c silver 32h with 29 x 2.2" Terravail tires, not 650b but 
I'm sure that size is great as well. Plenty tough, but not exactly light. 
 I've also run a Velocity Dyad and they are super tough too. I like the US 
made factor as well.

On Thursday, August 25, 2022 at 11:20:30 AM UTC-7 cycli...@gmail.com wrote:

> For rim brake bikes, I prefer rims with machined sidewalls.  Velocity 
> Quills are my fav.
>
> On Thursday, August 25, 2022 at 10:55:27 AM UTC-7 wboe...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Velocity A23 can also be had in 650b.
>>
>> On Thursday, August 25, 2022 at 11:36:20 AM UTC-4 alexander...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I've got an odd wheelset that's Surly disc brake fixed-gear hubs laced 
>>> to Velocity Quills. Had them a year or two now, and like them. Highest 
>>> optimal tire width is 47mm according to Velocity, but I'm running 50mm 
>>> G-Ones and they've worked well. Probably wouldn't want to go too much 
>>> bigger but I don't have any more room so that wasn't a concern for me 
>>> anyway.
>>>
>>> On Thursday, August 25, 2022 at 10:19:05 AM UTC-5 Brent B wrote:
>>>
 Crust's Rim Brake Rims are really working out for me on my Atlantis and 
 at $105 per rim, they're a pretty good deal. They're very similar to the 
 Pacenti Brevets, but with a slightly wider profile and without the 
 eyelets. Slightly lighter than Brevets and Velocity Quills. I wouldn't put 
 them on a bike that was going to see a lot of rocky trails, but they're 
 stout enough for normal road/trail touring. Only available in 32h, but 
 they 
 are in stock! 

 -Brent

 On Thursday, 25 August 2022 at 09:39:57 UTC-4 lconley wrote:

> My currently installed 650 B rims:
> Velocity Quill, polished 36 hole on my Riv custom.
> Velocity Cliffhanger, polished 40 hole on my Bombadil.
> Velocity Cliffhanger, polished 48 hole on my Riv Keven's Mixte Cargo 
> bike.
> Alex DM-23, silver 40 hole on my Hubbuhubbuh.
> Alex DM-23, silver 36 hole on my Medium Mountain Mixte.
> Velocity Cliffhanger, black 36 hole on the rear of my Crustendell 
> Clementine Clydesdale Cargo Cycle.
> Velocity Atlas, silver 40 hole on my Rosco Baby.
>
> I also have some VO Diagonale, polished 36 hole VO touring wheels in 
> the stash, I have had them installed on various bike in the past, they 
> were 
> the 1st wheelset on the Bombadil.
>
> All are good. The Velocity Quills are the lightest. Many of my 
> Velocity rims were custom ordered due some combination of spoke holes 
> and/or polishing being non-stocked items.
>
> Laing
> Delray Beach FL
>
> On Wednesday, August 24, 2022 at 8:51:15 PM UTC-4 plumber...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Hello everyone hope you've all enjoyed a casual ride this weekend!
>>
>> I'm looking for some input on rims. I recently purchased a Bombadil 
>> from a member on here and am planning on having new wheels built up. 
>> After 
>> enduring a painful wait I have received my rear hub from White 
>> Industries 
>> front will have a generator. Thankfully they were ahead of the initial 
>> estimated wait time. I have a set of 48mm RH knobbies that I plan on 
>> running once the wheels are build but might switch it up.  
>>
>> What 650B rims are you running these days? 
>>
>> Thanks in advance,
>> Vern
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: WTB Mark's rack

[jeffbog...@hotmail.com]

I'm also looking for one of these but they appear to be sold out 
everywhere. Anyone have a lead?

Jeff
(Alabama)

On Thursday, 18 August 2022 at 08:29:17 UTC-5 wallye...@gmail.com wrote:

> Looking for a silver Mark's rack
>
> Thanks,
> Wally
>

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[RBW] Re: Best all-around useful saddlebag?

[velomann]

My name is Mike and I have a bike luggage problem...

I own many of the bags already mentioned and a couple not discussed yet so 
here's my 2-cents:

I currently have 3 Swift Zeitgeist bags - a first generation in custom 
colors and a couple newer ones, and for a good, durable, fairly lightweight 
saddlebag they are fantastic. My only (very minor) complaint is that the 
newer ones take longer to get in and out of - there's the outer 2 buckles, 
an inner buckled cinch strap, and the cord-lock bag cinch. The older models 
didn't have the single inner cinch strap, which is otherwise an improvement 
as it pulls the bottom of the bag up some, depending on how loaded it is. I 
do wish they still shipped with the leather buckle straps instead of the 
Voile straps everyone (except Carradice and Acorn) seems to be going to 
these days, but I may be in the minority with that opinion. I also own a 
Swift Catalyst, and if you want a bag smaller than the Zeitgeist and can do 
without the side pockets, it's basically a smaller Zeitgeist (Swift used to 
make the Zeitgeist in 2 sizes). One advantage to the Catalyst - Swift's 
intention I think - is that the Catalyst mounts well to even fairly narrow 
handlebars too. Someone mentioned MUSA as a plus on Swift bags, but last 
year they switched production overseas to standard bags in standard colors, 
which I assume means the Zeitgeist is now sewn in Asia.

I also own 2 Carradice bags, a Camper Longflap and Nelson Longflap. The 
Camper was my first touring saddlebag and has thousands of miles in 
year-round PNW  commuting and other than fading is still in great shape. 
The waxed canvas is heavier than the Swift bags, but that's never been an 
issue for me, and the longflap is incredibly useful when overfilling the 
bag or strapping a sleeping pad or tent or fly rod to the bag.

I own a large Fabios Chest - from when they were still made by Swift - and 
it's like a super-sized version of the Zeitgeist with a rolltop instead of 
cordlock cinch AND a longflap. If one was looking for a true 
load-everything-including-the-kitchen-sink bag this would be the one. FYI I 
run it on the front (Jones Bars) of my Bantam AdventureBike, and with a 
Carradice Longflap on the rear and a couple fork-mounted King Manything 
cages I can carry all my bikepacking gear without an inner triangle frame 
bag (I hate frame bags).

Another bag I REALLY like is the locally made (Portland area) Jack Supply 
Slugger bag. https://www.jacksupplyco.com/ Similar to the Swift Zeitgeist 
but with a rolltop closure, extendable flap, and more exterior lash points. 
I've also run this as a handlebar bag, though I prefer the Little Slugger 
for that use. And these definitely are MUSA.

Finally, the OP mentioned running a Wald basket and looking for a saddlebag 
as well. I use a Swift Sugarloaf in one Wald basket, and an Outershell 
Basket-bag https://outershell.com/shop/137-basket-bag in the other. The 
thing I like about the Basket-bag is that it's basically a rando bag for 
your basket, with a lid that opens out so you can access the interior while 
riding, and a clear map pocket. Also MUSA (California) and really 
thoughtfully designed and well-made.

Final note - I'm smallish and ride smallish frames, and for ALL the 
saddlebags mentioned I run some kind of support rack - Erlen, Nitto, 
Bagman, 
Tailfeather http://derick-paulson.squarespace.com/tailfeather/tailfeather, 
And the Fabs chest on my Bantam is supported by a front rack custom made 
for that bike.

Many of the setups can be seen on my Flickr 
pages https://www.flickr.com/photos/8199310@N04/albums

Mike M

On Friday, April 15, 2022 at 3:20:56 PM UTC-7 Chris K wrote:

> Hi all - I'm new to the group and figured you all would have opinions on 
> "the best all-around useful saddle bag," if you could only own one.
>
> For context, I ride a Bridgestone CB-0 set up with a front rack and Wald 
> basket. This is great, but I sometimes wish for a little more capacity in 
> the form of a bag. Based on Rivendell's site, the Bagboy or the Happisack 
> seem to fit this "all-around useful" purpose and size. I mostly ride around 
> town but want to do some overnights this summer as well.
>
> Would you recommend definitely getting one over the other? I'm also 
> looking at the Swift Zeitgeist or Catalyst.
>
> Thanks!
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: One Rivendell to rule them all

[Ryan Frahm]

Sorry, I thought it had 26” and wanted to go up. Whoops!

On Sunday, August 28, 2022 at 8:59:00 AM UTC-7 Chris L wrote:

> Unfortunately, the Motolite only works for increasing wheel size and not 
> in the other direction.   I e-mailed Paul when I first read about people 
> using it for the purpose of running different wheel sizes and he confirmed 
> it only works in one direction. 
>
> On Sunday, August 28, 2022 at 9:54:24 AM UTC-5 fra...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Great looking bike Chris! Have you thought about the Paul Motolite? You 
>> could go 650b without all the extra work!
>>
>> On Sunday, August 28, 2022 at 7:39:50 AM UTC-7 Chris L wrote:
>>
>>> I've only ridden one Riv and it's hard to imagine there is a better bike 
>>> for me than my first run 54cm Hunqapillar.  
>>>
>>> Out of the existing Rivendell models, a Bombadil or the 56cm 650B 
>>> Hunqapillar might be preferable, only because I like fat tires but on 
>>> smaller wheels.  If I ever have my Hunqapillar painted, which would mean I 
>>> know I'll keep it until I die, I will probably have disc brake tabs added 
>>> so I can go 650B.  I've run the numbers and BB height and trail wouldn't be 
>>> anything unusual. 
>>>
>>> My ultimate hypothetical Rivendell would be the original 56cm 26" 
>>> wheeled Atlantis with an extra 5cm of top-tube length.  
>>>
>>> [image: 54 Hunqapillar half size.jpg]
>>>
>>> On Thursday, August 25, 2022 at 1:32:33 PM UTC-5 Chris Halasz wrote:
>>>
 It appears Rivendell declared "ONE BIKE TO RULE THEM ALL" some time ago 
 with the introduction of the Sam Hillborne: 

 [image: IMG-4527.jpg]

 And, clearly, without evidence of a similar statement for the 
 introduction of a subsequent model, they too must be subservient to the 
 Sam. 

 Kidding aside, the wonderful thing about Rivendell bikes is how 
 versatile they are, and the wonderful thing about their owners is how 
 creative and unique are their builds and applications of their preferred 
 models. 

 Cheers 

 Chris
 Ketchum ID

 On Wednesday, August 24, 2022 at 7:34:41 PM UTC-6 
 alexander...@gmail.com wrote:

> Chris, i think a Sam would probably be the best option for my riding 
> as well, if i could only have a single bike.
>
> Bill, to your point, i am a multiple bike person. The rivendells i am 
> interested in reflect that i think - not necessarily the most versatile, 
> but they would fill out my selection better. I do realize this variance 
> (among other things) from person to person means that the answers are a 
> bit 
> skewed. Still, it's fun to hear what everyone rides most or enjoys most 
> for 
> whatever reason!
>
> On Wed, Aug 24, 2022, 7:53 PM Chris Balaschak  
> wrote:
>
>> I'm the owner of three Rivs, and have generally always enjoyed 'road' 
>> bikes; that is, a less upright geometry, and drop bars.
>>
>> 2014 Sam Hillborne
>> The Sam is my go-to for just about everything: commuting, exploring, 
>> getting lost, etc. I have never had a bike fit so comfortably. While the 
>> berthoud saddle definitely helps, the general uprightness of the bike 
>> works 
>> so well. Having ridden many road bikes (including a Nobilette I sorely 
>> miss) the Sam has made me a full convert to just wearing sandals and 
>> loose-fitting clothes for rides.
>>
>> 2006 Legolas
>> The Legolas is aggressive and nimble by Riv standards (would we 
>> expect less from Legolas?), and is super fun for what the kids call 
>> 'gravel' riding. It is road bike geometry, built by Nobilette, 
>> lightweight, 
>> and fast. As a CX bike it doesn't fit big tires by today's standards, 
>> maxing out at about 33-35, but on hardpacked forest roads, it is so 
>> agile.
>>
>> 2006 Rambouillet
>> The Ram fits somewhere in-between - a bit more roadey than the Sam, 
>> while more laid back than the Legolas. I like it for long days in the 
>> saddle, and when I don't want/need to carry anything.
>>
>> End of the day, though, Sam would be "the one."
>>
>> [image: PXL_20211218_190214864.jpg]
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: One Rivendell to rule them all

[Chris L]

Unfortunately, the Motolite only works for increasing wheel size and not in 
the other direction.   I e-mailed Paul when I first read about people using 
it for the purpose of running different wheel sizes and he confirmed it 
only works in one direction. 

On Sunday, August 28, 2022 at 9:54:24 AM UTC-5 fra...@gmail.com wrote:

> Great looking bike Chris! Have you thought about the Paul Motolite? You 
> could go 650b without all the extra work!
>
> On Sunday, August 28, 2022 at 7:39:50 AM UTC-7 Chris L wrote:
>
>> I've only ridden one Riv and it's hard to imagine there is a better bike 
>> for me than my first run 54cm Hunqapillar.  
>>
>> Out of the existing Rivendell models, a Bombadil or the 56cm 650B 
>> Hunqapillar might be preferable, only because I like fat tires but on 
>> smaller wheels.  If I ever have my Hunqapillar painted, which would mean I 
>> know I'll keep it until I die, I will probably have disc brake tabs added 
>> so I can go 650B.  I've run the numbers and BB height and trail wouldn't be 
>> anything unusual. 
>>
>> My ultimate hypothetical Rivendell would be the original 56cm 26" wheeled 
>> Atlantis with an extra 5cm of top-tube length.  
>>
>> [image: 54 Hunqapillar half size.jpg]
>>
>> On Thursday, August 25, 2022 at 1:32:33 PM UTC-5 Chris Halasz wrote:
>>
>>> It appears Rivendell declared "ONE BIKE TO RULE THEM ALL" some time ago 
>>> with the introduction of the Sam Hillborne: 
>>>
>>> [image: IMG-4527.jpg]
>>>
>>> And, clearly, without evidence of a similar statement for the 
>>> introduction of a subsequent model, they too must be subservient to the 
>>> Sam. 
>>>
>>> Kidding aside, the wonderful thing about Rivendell bikes is how 
>>> versatile they are, and the wonderful thing about their owners is how 
>>> creative and unique are their builds and applications of their preferred 
>>> models. 
>>>
>>> Cheers 
>>>
>>> Chris
>>> Ketchum ID
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, August 24, 2022 at 7:34:41 PM UTC-6 alexander...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Chris, i think a Sam would probably be the best option for my riding as 
 well, if i could only have a single bike.

 Bill, to your point, i am a multiple bike person. The rivendells i am 
 interested in reflect that i think - not necessarily the most versatile, 
 but they would fill out my selection better. I do realize this variance 
 (among other things) from person to person means that the answers are a 
 bit 
 skewed. Still, it's fun to hear what everyone rides most or enjoys most 
 for 
 whatever reason!

 On Wed, Aug 24, 2022, 7:53 PM Chris Balaschak  
 wrote:

> I'm the owner of three Rivs, and have generally always enjoyed 'road' 
> bikes; that is, a less upright geometry, and drop bars.
>
> 2014 Sam Hillborne
> The Sam is my go-to for just about everything: commuting, exploring, 
> getting lost, etc. I have never had a bike fit so comfortably. While the 
> berthoud saddle definitely helps, the general uprightness of the bike 
> works 
> so well. Having ridden many road bikes (including a Nobilette I sorely 
> miss) the Sam has made me a full convert to just wearing sandals and 
> loose-fitting clothes for rides.
>
> 2006 Legolas
> The Legolas is aggressive and nimble by Riv standards (would we expect 
> less from Legolas?), and is super fun for what the kids call 'gravel' 
> riding. It is road bike geometry, built by Nobilette, lightweight, and 
> fast. As a CX bike it doesn't fit big tires by today's standards, maxing 
> out at about 33-35, but on hardpacked forest roads, it is so agile.
>
> 2006 Rambouillet
> The Ram fits somewhere in-between - a bit more roadey than the Sam, 
> while more laid back than the Legolas. I like it for long days in the 
> saddle, and when I don't want/need to carry anything.
>
> End of the day, though, Sam would be "the one."
>
> [image: PXL_20211218_190214864.jpg]
>
>
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[RBW] WTT: handlebars

[alan lavine]

Excuse the cross post. Feeling the need to change things...again.

What I got:
-lightly used nitto albastache with lots of gummy residue to help with your 
next taping
-Soma Sparrow, black, 49.5 with a few scratches
-a whole bunch of quality drop bars, tell me what you're looking for

Want I want:
-VO Porteur 22.2
-VO Granola
-albatross/ soma Oxford 
-VO left bank 22.2

Prefer local, if possible.
Thanks,
Alan NYC

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Re: [RBW] Re: One Rivendell to rule them all

[Ryan Frahm]

Great looking bike Chris! Have you thought about the Paul Motolite? You 
could go 650b without all the extra work!

On Sunday, August 28, 2022 at 7:39:50 AM UTC-7 Chris L wrote:

> I've only ridden one Riv and it's hard to imagine there is a better bike 
> for me than my first run 54cm Hunqapillar.  
>
> Out of the existing Rivendell models, a Bombadil or the 56cm 650B 
> Hunqapillar might be preferable, only because I like fat tires but on 
> smaller wheels.  If I ever have my Hunqapillar painted, which would mean I 
> know I'll keep it until I die, I will probably have disc brake tabs added 
> so I can go 650B.  I've run the numbers and BB height and trail wouldn't be 
> anything unusual. 
>
> My ultimate hypothetical Rivendell would be the original 56cm 26" wheeled 
> Atlantis with an extra 5cm of top-tube length.  
>
> [image: 54 Hunqapillar half size.jpg]
>
> On Thursday, August 25, 2022 at 1:32:33 PM UTC-5 Chris Halasz wrote:
>
>> It appears Rivendell declared "ONE BIKE TO RULE THEM ALL" some time ago 
>> with the introduction of the Sam Hillborne: 
>>
>> [image: IMG-4527.jpg]
>>
>> And, clearly, without evidence of a similar statement for the 
>> introduction of a subsequent model, they too must be subservient to the 
>> Sam. 
>>
>> Kidding aside, the wonderful thing about Rivendell bikes is how versatile 
>> they are, and the wonderful thing about their owners is how creative and 
>> unique are their builds and applications of their preferred models. 
>>
>> Cheers 
>>
>> Chris
>> Ketchum ID
>>
>> On Wednesday, August 24, 2022 at 7:34:41 PM UTC-6 alexander...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Chris, i think a Sam would probably be the best option for my riding as 
>>> well, if i could only have a single bike.
>>>
>>> Bill, to your point, i am a multiple bike person. The rivendells i am 
>>> interested in reflect that i think - not necessarily the most versatile, 
>>> but they would fill out my selection better. I do realize this variance 
>>> (among other things) from person to person means that the answers are a bit 
>>> skewed. Still, it's fun to hear what everyone rides most or enjoys most for 
>>> whatever reason!
>>>
>>> On Wed, Aug 24, 2022, 7:53 PM Chris Balaschak  
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I'm the owner of three Rivs, and have generally always enjoyed 'road' 
 bikes; that is, a less upright geometry, and drop bars.

 2014 Sam Hillborne
 The Sam is my go-to for just about everything: commuting, exploring, 
 getting lost, etc. I have never had a bike fit so comfortably. While the 
 berthoud saddle definitely helps, the general uprightness of the bike 
 works 
 so well. Having ridden many road bikes (including a Nobilette I sorely 
 miss) the Sam has made me a full convert to just wearing sandals and 
 loose-fitting clothes for rides.

 2006 Legolas
 The Legolas is aggressive and nimble by Riv standards (would we expect 
 less from Legolas?), and is super fun for what the kids call 'gravel' 
 riding. It is road bike geometry, built by Nobilette, lightweight, and 
 fast. As a CX bike it doesn't fit big tires by today's standards, maxing 
 out at about 33-35, but on hardpacked forest roads, it is so agile.

 2006 Rambouillet
 The Ram fits somewhere in-between - a bit more roadey than the Sam, 
 while more laid back than the Legolas. I like it for long days in the 
 saddle, and when I don't want/need to carry anything.

 End of the day, though, Sam would be "the one."

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[RBW] Re: Your Road or Road-ish Riv Rubber Radius (tire width)

[Fullylugged]

Eric:

I have 38mm Pari Motos on my Riv Road (compact double for low to moderate 
climbing). They handle chipseal well, are quick, and have good grip in 
turns. Kevlar bead and lightweight but not long wearing or great on 
punctures if you ride where goatheads abound. I'll be doing a RUSA 
Populaire on it next Saturday. My Waterford RS-12 (XD-2 triple for taller 
and steeper climbing) is set up exactly like a Riv (it has the extended HT 
and same geometry) but has Continental Top Contact Speed in 32mm.  RBW 
sells or sold these tires for Clems in particular and called them 
"basketball tires." Not as plush at the Pascentis but tougher and longer 
lasting.

Tailwinds..
Bruce

On Tuesday, August 9, 2022 at 7:23:03 AM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hello people — What size tires do you all run for riding pavement and 
> doing brevets and such? My Hillborne is set up with 44mm Snoqualmie Pass 
> tires from RH. They are slick, I run them at around 37psi. Went with these 
> seeing no downsides. I have clearance for maybe even 48s. Standard casing 
> but I have a set of used extra lights heading to me soon from Vermont which 
> I'm excited to try. 
>
> Curious to know what others think about tire sizes for long paved rides. 
>
> [image: Hillborne.jpg]
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