Re: [RBW] Bikes For Sale: Craigslist, ebay, etc. Fall 2022 edition

[Ryan]

That was snapped up fast!. Reynold decal on fork leads me to believe it's 
an early Waterford Road or LL

On Wednesday, February 1, 2023 at 12:34:34 AM UTC-6 Luke Hendrickson wrote:

> Epic custom!
>
> On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 2:12:32 PM UTC-8 mmille...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Not sure the condition under the dirt, but looks like good value for a 
>> custom Riv if you are in the San Jose area. Heck, could sell those tower 
>> bars and nitto, clean and relist if you don't like it.
>>
>> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/bik/d/san-jose-waterford-built-rivendell/7583922987.html[image:
>>  
>> 00d0d_a7kqoWQLvI0_0CI0lM_1200x900.jpeg]
>>
>> On Monday, January 30, 2023 at 8:20:25 AM UTC-6 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Looks like a price drop on the 60cm Hillborne in Vienna. 
>>>
>>> [image: 325914195_6538259239522205_455293595224308313_n.jpg]
>>>
>>> Sam Hillborne
>>> 60cm
>>> $1,850
>>> Vienna, Virginia 
>>>
>>> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/562587362592331/
>>> On Monday, January 2, 2023 at 9:57:19 PM UTC-5 aelga...@castilleja.org 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 And I’m selling my beautiful Sam in San Mateo.  $2100 
 Pedals and saddle not included. 



 On Mon, Jan 2, 2023 at 5:57 PM Eliot Balogh  wrote:

> There’s a beautiful Ram in Ft Lauderdale
>
>
> https://miami.craigslist.org/brw/bik/d/fort-lauderdale-2007-rivendell/7572481687.html
>
>
> And this Sam in Atlanta
>
>
> https://atlanta.craigslist.org/atl/bik/d/decatur-rivendell-hillborne-blue-and/7565756188.html
>
>
> I would have jumped on one if I wasn’t Atlantis hunting. 
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Gus and Susie ride off into the sunset

[Kim Hetzel]

...I would rather wait until April to buy a new Clem in RBW blue, rather 
than buy a used RBW framset at this point in time. 

On Wednesday, February 1, 2023 at 6:12:01 PM UTC-8 Kim Hetzel wrote:

> The Clem Smith Jr.s' will be back in April. That's wonderful news. I 
> thank-you very much for the information. I appreciate it.
> In the meantime, I can close my eyes and imagine my lime olive frameset is 
> a RBW blue color. Obviously not when I am cycling on my Clem. 
>
> I contacted the seller of the $3900.00 Clem Smith Jr. "L" out of Portland, 
> Oregon last night. I asked him/her, if there was interest in selling the 
> frameset/fork/headset/BB. I got this response:
>
> " Possibly.  
> Someone is coming to look at the bike tomorrow. I’ll probably give it at 
> least a few weeks before parting it out.  
> I’ll keep you in the loop / you’ll see it posted if i wind up going that 
> route.
> (Obviously if for some reason you wanted to buy frame for $3,000 the 
> answer would simply be yes.)" 
>
> I thoroughly agree with you that the seller's pricing is very extreme by 
> $1000.00 too much.  If it were a Gus or a Susie, I would completely 
> understand. 
>
> I would rather wait til April to buy a new Clem, rather than a used one at 
> this point in time. 
>
> Kim Hetzel
> Yelm, WA.
>
>
> On Wednesday, February 1, 2023 at 11:11:26 AM UTC-8 fra...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Hey Kim, believe it was in a Riv email over the last couple months that 
>> the Clem will be back in April! Not sure if that was frames or completes 
>> though. Hopefully they’ll have a blue frame for you!
>>
>> That one for sale is nice, but $3900 seems a bit crazy. I’d sell my Susie 
>> for that and it’s a nicer build!
>> On Wednesday, February 1, 2023 at 7:22:54 AM UTC-8 krhe...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I meant to say that I would really love to buy a 59cm Clem Smith Jr. "L" 
>>> frameset in RBW blue and turn around and sell my 59cm lime olive frameset. 
>>>
>>> Kim Hetzel
>>> Yelm, WA.
>>> On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 8:40:53 PM UTC-8 Kim Hetzel wrote:
>>>
 Thank-you, Joyce. I appreciate it.

 Kim Hetzel
 Yelm, WA. 

 On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 8:28:37 PM UTC-8 JAS wrote:

> Kim, there's a blue 59 Clem L on the Portland Craigslist for you 
> though it's a fully built bike. 
>
> https://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/bik/d/portland-rivendell-clem-smith-step-thru/7583972221.html
>  
>
> --Joyce
> On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 7:32:27 PM UTC-8 Paul M wrote:
>
>> Both. I wanted to use a Chocomoose handlebar set-up on the XL Susie 
>> and it felt too stretched out for me when I was checking different 
>> options 
>> for the build that never happened. A 88 PBH put me high and low for 
>> these 
>> two sizes. Ended up with a few extra stem/bar combinations.
>>
>> On Tuesday, 31 January 2023 at 17:22:41 UTC-8 rmro...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> So was the XL a reach for you (bad pun) or are you truly between 
>>> sizes?
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Jan 31, 2023, at 7:46 PM, Paul M  wrote:
>>>
>>> I was hoping for a large when they went on sale last year and they 
>>> certainly sold out fast. The XL is fine in the height but it's 68.5cm 
>>> effective top tube is so long. The 56cm has a 66cm top tube length. 
>>> They 
>>> used a 31.8mm diameter top tube on the XL (like the Gus) and a 28.6mm 
>>> top 
>>> tube on the 56cm and smaller frames.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, 31 January 2023 at 16:30:47 UTC-8 fra...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I wasn’t going to mention to very nice Large gold Susie I have 
 listed on here but I guess it’s okay. Haha. That green looks super 
 nice 
 Paul! I’m glad you were able to snag a Large, they go quick!

 On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 4:22:00 PM UTC-8 Paul M wrote:

> I have a new XL (59cm) Lime-Olive Susie Longbolt frameset for sale 
> that I'm most likely posting later in the week. I picked up a 56cm 
> Susie 
> from the most recent Rivendell offering of the Hillibikes and need to 
> pass 
> the bigger one on. Price is $1900 plus shipping. New never ridden. 
> Thanks, 
> Paul
>
> On Tuesday, 31 January 2023 at 12:56:29 UTC-8 JW wrote:
>
>> All Susie/Gus are fillet brazed, regardless of color. 
>>
>> There was talk of going to tig welded after the last batch but it 
>> sounds like they'll be discontinued all together.
>>
>> On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 12:51:03 PM UTC-8 
>> r.ha...@live.com wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks Steve! I too decided to part ways with my previous bike 
>>> which was a lugged 1983 Specialized Expedition (kinda like a Homer) 
>>> but 
>>> what I really wanted 

Re: [RBW] Re: Red Toyo Atlantis?

[Bryan Dalik]

That is a wonderful, wonderful Toyo Atlantis. What size tires? Looking to 
see what max is. I got myself a custom orange Toyo Atlantis in a 58 as well 
and being 6'2'' with a 89 PBH, I'm happy to hear it fits so well for you.

On Wednesday, February 1, 2023 at 10:46:18 AM UTC-5 Miles wrote:

> [image: E1A443FE-8A4C-4111-B54B-B89B6697EDCF.jpeg]Another Toyo Atlantis 
> owner chiming in here, since this thread seems to be morphing into a good 
> resource. I’m 6’0 with around an 87 PBH and my 58 feels perfect as my 
> all-around gravel bike. I wouldn’t hesitate to tour it either. It might 
> look smaller fit-wise than how Grant would size it, but I think it’s the 
> perfect bike. 
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, February 1, 2023 at 2:22:40 AM UTC-8 iamkeith wrote:
>
>> On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 2:29:49 PM UTC-7 homer...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>> Wow, you guys really are the source for all things Rivendell!!… I mean 
>> seriously, tracking down the original owner?… Smart!
>> Thanks to your assistance, I’ve decided to pass on this opportunity for 
>> the moment…
>>
>>  I think I’m going to wait for a 60cm and honestly I need to sell or 
>> trade my Jones LBW first, not only for the Atlantis money, but more 
>> importantly just to keep my wife happy
>> Again, Thank You So Much!
>>
>>
>> My hunch is that it'd be a tad too small, but wanted to add one more 
>> comment before you give up:  You mentioned wanting to wait for a 60cm, but 
>> there actually wasn't such a thing in this era Atlantis.  Even though they 
>> came in the normal-for-the-time 2 cm increments, there was an odd 3 cm jump 
>> between this one (58) and the next one (61).  Standover and some other 
>> dimensions took an odd turn at that increment.  You should fig up the old 
>> geometry charts from Jim's Cyclofied website to make sure it would work - 
>> or that this one wouldn't (assuming you have your heart set on this 
>> vintage.)
>>
>> I remember this all too well, because I wanted one so badly, stared at 
>> the charts forever, and tried to rationalize buying one even though I fell 
>> squarely between sizes.  I was convinced it was some sort of conspiracy by 
>> Grant, that started with the missing size 57 cm XO-1 years earlier.  I 
>> never got the Atlantis, but did end up with a 60 Ram, a 60 quickbeam, a 60 
>> Saluki and  60 All Rounder... because I couldn't have "the one."  They all 
>> fit me great, but the Atlantis just wouldn't have.  (FWIW, I'm 6'-1 1/2" 
>> and have an 87 PBH.  All torso)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  
>> “Maranatha”!
>>
>>
>> On Jan 31, 2023, at 12:42 PM, Jeremy Till  wrote:
>>
>> I *think* this bike was formerly owned by (former list member?) Gino 
>> Zahnd, as evidenced by this photo from 2013, which I faved at the time: 
>>
>> https://flic.kr/p/f8fyGT
>>
>> Gino does reference selling it in the comments on the photo.  
>>
>> -Jeremy Till
>> Sacramento, CA
>>
>> On Monday, January 30, 2023 at 9:27:02 AM UTC-8 homer...@gmail.com wrote:
>> I very curious about this bike. Honestly, I’ve just never seen a red 
>> Atlantis?
>> Does Anyone know what year this bike was made?
>>
>> Thanx folks 
>>
>>
>> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/d/vallejo-rivendell-atlantis-58/7578102714.html
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Re: [RBW] Re: Gus and Susie ride off into the sunset

[Kim Hetzel]

 The Clem Smith Jr.s' will be back in April. That's wonderful news. I 
thank-you very much for the information. I appreciate it.
In the meantime, I can close my eyes and imagine my lime olive frameset is 
a RBW blue color. Obviously not when I am cycling on my Clem. 

I contacted the seller of the $3900.00 Clem Smith Jr. "L" out of Portland, 
Oregon last night. I asked him/her, if there was interest in selling the 
frameset/fork/headset/BB. I got this response:

" Possibly.  
Someone is coming to look at the bike tomorrow. I’ll probably give it at 
least a few weeks before parting it out.  
I’ll keep you in the loop / you’ll see it posted if i wind up going that 
route.
(Obviously if for some reason you wanted to buy frame for $3,000 the answer 
would simply be yes.)" 

I thoroughly agree with you that the seller's pricing is very extreme by 
$1000.00 too much.  If it were a Gus or a Susie, I would completely 
understand. 

I would rather wait til April to buy a new Clem, rather than a used one at 
this point in time. 

Kim Hetzel
Yelm, WA.


On Wednesday, February 1, 2023 at 11:11:26 AM UTC-8 fra...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hey Kim, believe it was in a Riv email over the last couple months that 
> the Clem will be back in April! Not sure if that was frames or completes 
> though. Hopefully they’ll have a blue frame for you!
>
> That one for sale is nice, but $3900 seems a bit crazy. I’d sell my Susie 
> for that and it’s a nicer build!
> On Wednesday, February 1, 2023 at 7:22:54 AM UTC-8 krhe...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> I meant to say that I would really love to buy a 59cm Clem Smith Jr. "L" 
>> frameset in RBW blue and turn around and sell my 59cm lime olive frameset. 
>>
>> Kim Hetzel
>> Yelm, WA.
>> On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 8:40:53 PM UTC-8 Kim Hetzel wrote:
>>
>>> Thank-you, Joyce. I appreciate it.
>>>
>>> Kim Hetzel
>>> Yelm, WA. 
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 8:28:37 PM UTC-8 JAS wrote:
>>>
 Kim, there's a blue 59 Clem L on the Portland Craigslist for you though 
 it's a fully built bike. 

 https://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/bik/d/portland-rivendell-clem-smith-step-thru/7583972221.html
  

 --Joyce
 On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 7:32:27 PM UTC-8 Paul M wrote:

> Both. I wanted to use a Chocomoose handlebar set-up on the XL Susie 
> and it felt too stretched out for me when I was checking different 
> options 
> for the build that never happened. A 88 PBH put me high and low for these 
> two sizes. Ended up with a few extra stem/bar combinations.
>
> On Tuesday, 31 January 2023 at 17:22:41 UTC-8 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> So was the XL a reach for you (bad pun) or are you truly between 
>> sizes?
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jan 31, 2023, at 7:46 PM, Paul M  wrote:
>>
>> I was hoping for a large when they went on sale last year and they 
>> certainly sold out fast. The XL is fine in the height but it's 68.5cm 
>> effective top tube is so long. The 56cm has a 66cm top tube length. They 
>> used a 31.8mm diameter top tube on the XL (like the Gus) and a 28.6mm 
>> top 
>> tube on the 56cm and smaller frames.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, 31 January 2023 at 16:30:47 UTC-8 fra...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> I wasn’t going to mention to very nice Large gold Susie I have 
>>> listed on here but I guess it’s okay. Haha. That green looks super nice 
>>> Paul! I’m glad you were able to snag a Large, they go quick!
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 4:22:00 PM UTC-8 Paul M wrote:
>>>
 I have a new XL (59cm) Lime-Olive Susie Longbolt frameset for sale 
 that I'm most likely posting later in the week. I picked up a 56cm 
 Susie 
 from the most recent Rivendell offering of the Hillibikes and need to 
 pass 
 the bigger one on. Price is $1900 plus shipping. New never ridden. 
 Thanks, 
 Paul

 On Tuesday, 31 January 2023 at 12:56:29 UTC-8 JW wrote:

> All Susie/Gus are fillet brazed, regardless of color. 
>
> There was talk of going to tig welded after the last batch but it 
> sounds like they'll be discontinued all together.
>
> On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 12:51:03 PM UTC-8 r.ha...@live.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Thanks Steve! I too decided to part ways with my previous bike 
>> which was a lugged 1983 Specialized Expedition (kinda like a Homer) 
>> but 
>> what I really wanted was a step through frame. I initial wanted (and 
>> still 
>> do) was a 52cm Clem Smith L with ATB qualities. After building, I 
>> realized 
>> the Gus not really step through but its okay, I still enjoy it. 
>> Also, I 
>> thought all Gus/Susie are filet brazed, are they not?
>>
>> On Monday, January 30, 2023 at 

[RBW] Re: Fun film encounter

[jamin orrall]

this is great!
On Wednesday, February 1, 2023 at 4:52:38 PM UTC-8 weste...@gmail.com wrote:

> About 2 weeks ago I was riding home from work on a cold, grey day and 
> overtook a two friend walking on the multi-use trail on which i commute. I 
> stopped to chat, and one of them got out a camera and asked if she could 
> take some photos -- I said sure... 
>
> She just emailed me this digital image of the print image she took and 
> developed -- she'll being over the actual print this weekend. Neato -- 
> although had I been thinking about the photo instead of chatting I would 
> have flipped the bike around drive-side out!  
>
> Bike is my Clem H 65 cm. 
>
> Julian Westerhout
> Bloomington, IL  
>

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Re: [RBW] Bikes For Sale: Craigslist, ebay, etc. Fall 2022 edition

[Joe Bernard]

54cm LimeOlive Gus in NorCal. I need somebody to buy this now and sell it 
to me in a year when I have bike money again!
 
https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/bik/d/san-francisco-rivendell-gus-boots/7584953999.html


On Wednesday, February 1, 2023 at 10:06:51 AM UTC-8 River Bailey wrote:
Just saw this A. Homer Hilsen on craigslist in Chicago...

https://chicago.craigslist.org/chc/bik/d/chicago-rivendell-homer-hilsen/7576294872.html

On Wednesday, February 1, 2023 at 1:34:34 AM UTC-5 Luke Hendrickson wrote:
Epic custom!

On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 2:12:32 PM UTC-8 mmille...@gmail.com wrote:
Not sure the condition under the dirt, but looks like good value for a 
custom Riv if you are in the San Jose area. Heck, could sell those tower 
bars and nitto, clean and relist if you don't like it.
https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/bik/d/san-jose-waterford-built-rivendell/7583922987.html[image:
 
00d0d_a7kqoWQLvI0_0CI0lM_1200x900.jpeg]

On Monday, January 30, 2023 at 8:20:25 AM UTC-6 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
Looks like a price drop on the 60cm Hillborne in Vienna. 

[image: 325914195_6538259239522205_455293595224308313_n.jpg]

Sam Hillborne
60cm
$1,850
Vienna, Virginia 

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/562587362592331/
On Monday, January 2, 2023 at 9:57:19 PM UTC-5 aelga...@castilleja.org 
wrote:
And I’m selling my beautiful Sam in San Mateo.  $2100 
Pedals and saddle not included. 



On Mon, Jan 2, 2023 at 5:57 PM Eliot Balogh  wrote:
There’s a beautiful Ram in Ft Lauderdale

https://miami.craigslist.org/brw/bik/d/fort-lauderdale-2007-rivendell/7572481687.html


And this Sam in Atlanta

https://atlanta.craigslist.org/atl/bik/d/decatur-rivendell-hillborne-blue-and/7565756188.html


I would have jumped on one if I wasn’t Atlantis hunting. 

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Re: [RBW] Hope Cyclery

[Eliot Balogh]

Prices so good it crashed their website …

On Wed, Feb 1, 2023 at 3:06 PM  wrote:

> For those who aren’t on IG, Hope Cyclery in Johnstown, PA has one XL gold
> Susie partial build/frame/complete, 30% off Surly/All-City/Kona, and some
> nice parts on sale now (Paul etc)
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[RBW] Hope Cyclery

[luckyturnip]

For those who aren’t on IG, Hope Cyclery in Johnstown, PA has one XL gold Susie 
partial build/frame/complete, 30% off Surly/All-City/Kona, and some nice parts 
on sale now (Paul etc) 

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[RBW] Trade: Paul Canti for Paul Love 2.5 levers

[Eric M Cardella]

Looking to trade my *short-pull* Paul Canti levers (black) for *long-pull* Paul 
Love 2.5 levers (also black).

Hit me up for photos. The Cantis are currently installed on one of my rigs. I 
would rate them 8.5/10 in terms of aesthetics and 10/10 for function. They are 
lightly used (two short, sub-weeklong tours) and spent most of their lives in 
my garage. Once I clean them up, I’m confident they will look good as new!

Not looking to sell. I want the Paul levers, but ones suitable for long-pull 
mtn brake calipers, without some sort of wonky adapter.

Eric

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[RBW] Looking for Bombadil PDF

[maxcr]

Does anyone have a copy of the pdf referenced here:

http://www.cyclofiend.com/rbw/bombadil/index.html

>From Riv Sept, 2010

Filename: rbw_090910_bombadil.pdf

Thanks!
Max

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[RBW] LF 58 Homer

[Bones]

I've had a 61.5 Homer from the latest batch for just over a year now, and 
although I love the bike, the reach is just too great for my purposes. I am 
pretty much forced into swept back bars, and that is not what I am looking 
for with this bike. After a call to Riv and a peek on bikeinsights, it 
looks like the 58 would give me the perfect reach, with just a little extra 
seatpost showing. If anyone has a 58 from the latest batch they'd like to 
part with (or upsize), PM me. A 61.5 from the previous batch would work as 
well, though I am partial to the DT shifter braze-ons on the newest batch.

Thanks!
Bones

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Re: [RBW] Re: Jobst Brandt thought experiment: What would he ride today?

[Patrick Moore]

I expect Jobst would not choose carbon fiber, but I wonder if an
intelligently designed -- ie, a good balance of light weight and strength
-- carbon fiber frame would be less likely to crack under someone as big
and powerful as he? Is this a use where carbon fiber would be better than
steel?

If he was climbing mountains even in the 47 X 24 he must have climbed
standing; tremendous force, I guess, on crank as well as frame.

Patrick "not a materials scientist at all" Moore, whose bike he just rode
has a higher low gear than Jobst's (56") -- have to try it on some alps.

On Wed, Feb 1, 2023 at 1:46 PM Drew Saunders 
wrote:

> ... He always rode yellow bikes to make it easier to find cracks in the
> frame. At 6'7" (2m) tall, he expected to break frames.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Red Toyo Atlantis?

[Mackenzy Albright]

Wow Miles - that may be the best looking Atlantis build I've seen. Love the 
(antelope hills?) and towel rack bars. 

On Wednesday, February 1, 2023 at 1:00:24 PM UTC-8 iamkeith wrote:

> Ooh!  Sorry to derail things but, Miles, what bars are those?  They look 
> great.
>
> On Wednesday, February 1, 2023 at 8:46:18 AM UTC-7 Miles wrote:
>
>> [image: E1A443FE-8A4C-4111-B54B-B89B6697EDCF.jpeg]Another Toyo Atlantis 
>> owner chiming in here, since this thread seems to be morphing into a good 
>> resource. I’m 6’0 with around an 87 PBH and my 58 feels perfect as my 
>> all-around gravel bike. I wouldn’t hesitate to tour it either. It might 
>> look smaller fit-wise than how Grant would size it, but I think it’s the 
>> perfect bike. 
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, February 1, 2023 at 2:22:40 AM UTC-8 iamkeith wrote:
>>
>>> On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 2:29:49 PM UTC-7 homer...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>> Wow, you guys really are the source for all things Rivendell!!… I mean 
>>> seriously, tracking down the original owner?… Smart!
>>> Thanks to your assistance, I’ve decided to pass on this opportunity for 
>>> the moment…
>>>
>>>  I think I’m going to wait for a 60cm and honestly I need to sell or 
>>> trade my Jones LBW first, not only for the Atlantis money, but more 
>>> importantly just to keep my wife happy
>>> Again, Thank You So Much!
>>>
>>>
>>> My hunch is that it'd be a tad too small, but wanted to add one more 
>>> comment before you give up:  You mentioned wanting to wait for a 60cm, but 
>>> there actually wasn't such a thing in this era Atlantis.  Even though they 
>>> came in the normal-for-the-time 2 cm increments, there was an odd 3 cm jump 
>>> between this one (58) and the next one (61).  Standover and some other 
>>> dimensions took an odd turn at that increment.  You should fig up the old 
>>> geometry charts from Jim's Cyclofied website to make sure it would work - 
>>> or that this one wouldn't (assuming you have your heart set on this 
>>> vintage.)
>>>
>>> I remember this all too well, because I wanted one so badly, stared at 
>>> the charts forever, and tried to rationalize buying one even though I fell 
>>> squarely between sizes.  I was convinced it was some sort of conspiracy by 
>>> Grant, that started with the missing size 57 cm XO-1 years earlier.  I 
>>> never got the Atlantis, but did end up with a 60 Ram, a 60 quickbeam, a 60 
>>> Saluki and  60 All Rounder... because I couldn't have "the one."  They all 
>>> fit me great, but the Atlantis just wouldn't have.  (FWIW, I'm 6'-1 1/2" 
>>> and have an 87 PBH.  All torso)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  
>>> “Maranatha”!
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jan 31, 2023, at 12:42 PM, Jeremy Till  wrote:
>>>
>>> I *think* this bike was formerly owned by (former list member?) Gino 
>>> Zahnd, as evidenced by this photo from 2013, which I faved at the time: 
>>>
>>> https://flic.kr/p/f8fyGT
>>>
>>> Gino does reference selling it in the comments on the photo.  
>>>
>>> -Jeremy Till
>>> Sacramento, CA
>>>
>>> On Monday, January 30, 2023 at 9:27:02 AM UTC-8 homer...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>> I very curious about this bike. Honestly, I’ve just never seen a red 
>>> Atlantis?
>>> Does Anyone know what year this bike was made?
>>>
>>> Thanx folks 
>>>
>>>
>>> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/d/vallejo-rivendell-atlantis-58/7578102714.html
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[RBW] Re: FS: TA 36t, Bleriot badge, Velox/Jones plugs

[Joe Bernard]

Bleriot badge and one set of Jones plugs SOLD 

On Wednesday, February 1, 2023 at 12:49:21 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Those prices are ridiculous, let's try this. 
>
> $25 chainring 
>
> $30 Bleriot badge
>
> $15 Velox 
>
> Shipped!
>
> On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 3:22:21 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Typo fix and more detail on the TA: *didn't use it much*, marked 
>> 9/10-speed, worked fine with my 11-speed chain. 
>>
>> On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 3:00:56 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> Clutter reduction! All prices include shipping. 
>>>
>>> TA Zephyr 110bcd 36t chainring, sold to me without much wear, I diuse it 
>>> much before down-gearing my Riv, $30
>>>
>>> Bleriot headbadge, was supposed to replace a scuffed one on a frame but 
>>> didn't get to it, $60
>>>
>>> Velox bar-end plugs for road bars, probably won't fit MTB-ish, will fit 
>>> Boscos and Albatross and whatnot that take bar-end shifters, two pair, $20 
>>> each
>>>
>>> Jones bar plugs, fits everything, three pair, these are $9 new plus 
>>> shipping from Jones so my price only makes sense if you just want the plugs 
>>> and have $10, you're basically covering my shipping. $10! 
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Joe Bernard
>>>
>>> [image: Screenshot_20230131_145255.jpg]
>>> [image: Screenshot_20230131_145310.jpg]
>>>
>>>
>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Red Toyo Atlantis?

[iamkeith]

Ooh!  Sorry to derail things but, Miles, what bars are those?  They look 
great.

On Wednesday, February 1, 2023 at 8:46:18 AM UTC-7 Miles wrote:

> [image: E1A443FE-8A4C-4111-B54B-B89B6697EDCF.jpeg]Another Toyo Atlantis 
> owner chiming in here, since this thread seems to be morphing into a good 
> resource. I’m 6’0 with around an 87 PBH and my 58 feels perfect as my 
> all-around gravel bike. I wouldn’t hesitate to tour it either. It might 
> look smaller fit-wise than how Grant would size it, but I think it’s the 
> perfect bike. 
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, February 1, 2023 at 2:22:40 AM UTC-8 iamkeith wrote:
>
>> On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 2:29:49 PM UTC-7 homer...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>> Wow, you guys really are the source for all things Rivendell!!… I mean 
>> seriously, tracking down the original owner?… Smart!
>> Thanks to your assistance, I’ve decided to pass on this opportunity for 
>> the moment…
>>
>>  I think I’m going to wait for a 60cm and honestly I need to sell or 
>> trade my Jones LBW first, not only for the Atlantis money, but more 
>> importantly just to keep my wife happy
>> Again, Thank You So Much!
>>
>>
>> My hunch is that it'd be a tad too small, but wanted to add one more 
>> comment before you give up:  You mentioned wanting to wait for a 60cm, but 
>> there actually wasn't such a thing in this era Atlantis.  Even though they 
>> came in the normal-for-the-time 2 cm increments, there was an odd 3 cm jump 
>> between this one (58) and the next one (61).  Standover and some other 
>> dimensions took an odd turn at that increment.  You should fig up the old 
>> geometry charts from Jim's Cyclofied website to make sure it would work - 
>> or that this one wouldn't (assuming you have your heart set on this 
>> vintage.)
>>
>> I remember this all too well, because I wanted one so badly, stared at 
>> the charts forever, and tried to rationalize buying one even though I fell 
>> squarely between sizes.  I was convinced it was some sort of conspiracy by 
>> Grant, that started with the missing size 57 cm XO-1 years earlier.  I 
>> never got the Atlantis, but did end up with a 60 Ram, a 60 quickbeam, a 60 
>> Saluki and  60 All Rounder... because I couldn't have "the one."  They all 
>> fit me great, but the Atlantis just wouldn't have.  (FWIW, I'm 6'-1 1/2" 
>> and have an 87 PBH.  All torso)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  
>> “Maranatha”!
>>
>>
>> On Jan 31, 2023, at 12:42 PM, Jeremy Till  wrote:
>>
>> I *think* this bike was formerly owned by (former list member?) Gino 
>> Zahnd, as evidenced by this photo from 2013, which I faved at the time: 
>>
>> https://flic.kr/p/f8fyGT
>>
>> Gino does reference selling it in the comments on the photo.  
>>
>> -Jeremy Till
>> Sacramento, CA
>>
>> On Monday, January 30, 2023 at 9:27:02 AM UTC-8 homer...@gmail.com wrote:
>> I very curious about this bike. Honestly, I’ve just never seen a red 
>> Atlantis?
>> Does Anyone know what year this bike was made?
>>
>> Thanx folks 
>>
>>
>> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/d/vallejo-rivendell-atlantis-58/7578102714.html
>>
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[RBW] Re: FS: TA 36t, Bleriot badge, Velox/Jones plugs

[Joe Bernard]

Those prices are ridiculous, let's try this. 

$25 chainring 

$30 Bleriot badge

$15 Velox 

Shipped!

On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 3:22:21 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Typo fix and more detail on the TA: *didn't use it much*, marked 
> 9/10-speed, worked fine with my 11-speed chain. 
>
> On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 3:00:56 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Clutter reduction! All prices include shipping. 
>>
>> TA Zephyr 110bcd 36t chainring, sold to me without much wear, I diuse it 
>> much before down-gearing my Riv, $30
>>
>> Bleriot headbadge, was supposed to replace a scuffed one on a frame but 
>> didn't get to it, $60
>>
>> Velox bar-end plugs for road bars, probably won't fit MTB-ish, will fit 
>> Boscos and Albatross and whatnot that take bar-end shifters, two pair, $20 
>> each
>>
>> Jones bar plugs, fits everything, three pair, these are $9 new plus 
>> shipping from Jones so my price only makes sense if you just want the plugs 
>> and have $10, you're basically covering my shipping. $10! 
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Joe Bernard
>>
>> [image: Screenshot_20230131_145255.jpg]
>> [image: Screenshot_20230131_145310.jpg]
>>
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Gus and Susie ride off into the sunset

[Brian Turner]

Haha, can’t say I haven’t been guilty of that same ploy!On Feb 1, 2023, at 2:57 PM, Ryan Frahm  wrote:That makes sense Joe! On Wednesday, February 1, 2023 at 11:50:23 AM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:$3900 for a Clem?? That's a "partner told me to sell my bike" price. "Yes dear, I put it on Craigslist. No takers!" On Wednesday, February 1, 2023 at 11:21:38 AM UTC-8 brok...@gmail.com wrote:Yeah, that Clem seems about $1K too steep.On Feb 1, 2023, at 2:11 PM, Ryan Frahm  wrote:Hey Kim, believe it was in a Riv email over the last couple months that the Clem will be back in April! Not sure if that was frames or completes though. Hopefully they’ll have a blue frame for you!That one for sale is nice, but $3900 seems a bit crazy. I’d sell my Susie for that and it’s a nicer build!On Wednesday, February 1, 2023 at 7:22:54 AM UTC-8 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:I meant to say that I would really love to buy a 59cm Clem Smith Jr. "L" frameset in RBW blue and turn around and sell my 59cm lime olive frameset. Kim HetzelYelm, WA.On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 8:40:53 PM UTC-8 Kim Hetzel wrote:Thank-you, Joyce. I appreciate it.Kim HetzelYelm, WA. On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 8:28:37 PM UTC-8 JAS wrote:Kim, there's a blue 59 Clem L on the Portland Craigslist for you though it's a fully built bike. https://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/bik/d/portland-rivendell-clem-smith-step-thru/7583972221.html --JoyceOn Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 7:32:27 PM UTC-8 Paul M wrote:Both. I wanted to use a Chocomoose handlebar set-up on the XL Susie and it felt too stretched out for me when I was checking different options for the build that never happened. A 88 PBH put me high and low for these two sizes. Ended up with a few extra stem/bar combinations.On Tuesday, 31 January 2023 at 17:22:41 UTC-8 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:So was the XL a reach for you (bad pun) or are you truly between sizes?Sent from my iPhoneOn Jan 31, 2023, at 7:46 PM, Paul M  wrote:I was hoping for a large when they went on sale last year and they certainly sold out fast. The XL is fine in the height but it's 68.5cm effective top tube is so long. The 56cm has a 66cm top tube length. They used a 31.8mm diameter top tube on the XL (like the Gus) and a 28.6mm top tube on the 56cm and smaller frames.On Tuesday, 31 January 2023 at 16:30:47 UTC-8 fra...@gmail.com wrote:I wasn’t going to mention to very nice Large gold Susie I have listed on here but I guess it’s okay. Haha. That green looks super nice Paul! I’m glad you were able to snag a Large, they go quick!On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 4:22:00 PM UTC-8 Paul M wrote:I have a new XL (59cm) Lime-Olive Susie Longbolt frameset for sale that I'm most likely posting later in the week. I picked up a 56cm Susie from the most recent Rivendell offering of the Hillibikes and need to pass the bigger one on. Price is $1900 plus shipping. New never ridden. Thanks, PaulOn Tuesday, 31 January 2023 at 12:56:29 UTC-8 JW wrote:All Susie/Gus are fillet brazed, regardless of color. There was talk of going to tig welded after the last batch but it sounds like they'll be discontinued all together.On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 12:51:03 PM UTC-8 r.ha...@live.com wrote:Thanks Steve! I too decided to part ways with my previous bike which was a lugged 1983 Specialized Expedition (kinda like a Homer) but what I really wanted was a step through frame. I initial wanted (and still do) was a 52cm Clem Smith L with ATB qualities. After building, I realized the Gus not really step through but its okay, I still enjoy it. Also, I thought all Gus/Susie are filet brazed, are they not?On Monday, January 30, 2023 at 12:26:11 PM UTC-5 steve...@gmail.com wrote:Ron, judging from the pic your Gus looks to be one of filet brazed models?  Nicely done build! I've been thinking about a Homer, but more and more the ATB qualities of the Gus/Susie and even the Platypus are looking attractive, and I think would be a better successor for my hard tail carbon fiber MTB that I've decided to part ways with.On Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 1:32:17 PM UTC-5 r.ha...@live.com wrote:First time Riv owner here sharing pics of my Gus build. I had lots of inspiration from the Blue Lug website. I have only rode it a few miles though and still trying to get the squeal out of the brakes. So far so fun!https://photos.app.goo.gl/nWnCevTy8pV3AKNZ7On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 6:59:32 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:Richard, that is a fine and lovely bicycle. Enjoy! Joe "I want one" Bernard On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 3:22:30 PM UTC-8 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:You all are right. I just got my wheels / tires and got my first good look at this rig in person. The bb is much higher than I anticipated - within 1/2 centimeter of my full suspension MTB (for sale:)).This beast should be a hoot.Sent from my iPhoneOn Jan 10, 2023, at 9:12 AM, Ryan Frahm  wrote:I run a 172 on my Susie and it is plenty high with the 2.5” for some pretty chunky 

[RBW] Re: Jobst Brandt thought experiment: What would he ride today?

[Drew Saunders]

I remember on r.b.tech Jobst said he ran a 47-50 half step up front with a 
modified "ultra 6" 13-24 freewheel in the back. He took a 12-24 7 speed and 
removed the 12 so that it would fit on a 126mm OLD hub that was more evenly 
dished, so that there was only space for a 5 speed or "Ultra 6" freewheel. 
Basically, a 120mm hub in 126mm of space, if that makes any sense. 

Later, he admitted he didn't really half step all that often, so he was 
going up those Alpine roads in a 50x24. My knees hurt just thinking about 
that.

I only met him briefly once, and I was trying to figure out why a bike with 
what appeared to be only one chainring had a front derailleur. He always 
rode yellow bikes to make it easier to find cracks in the frame. At 6'7" 
(2m) tall, he expected to break frames.

I'm sure he'd be using a "one by" today.

The only time I've seen Tom Ritchey around here is when he blew past me 
like I was standing still while we were both commuting home one evening. 
Dude is fast!

On Wednesday, February 1, 2023 at 6:22:54 AM UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> I can't wrap my head around the gearing in the pictures Jeremy shared. 
> Good lord! He was pushing some big gears all the way to the end. 
>
> On Wednesday, February 1, 2023 at 8:24:23 AM UTC-5 lconley wrote:
>
>> I think fillet brazing allowed him complete freedom of frame geometry and 
>> tube sizing, without compromising strength (vs. lugs). I needed somewhat 
>> different geometry and tube sizing on my custom, due to my weight and 
>> lng torso, and that resulted in a fillet brazed bottom bracket as there 
>> were no readily available BB lug. From what I think I know, fillet brazing 
>> is stronger than TIG, as it spreads the stress over a greater area. I think 
>> I also read once that fillet brazing is sometime used over top of TIG.
>>
>> Laing
>>
>> On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 7:36:58 PM UTC-5 Philip Williamson wrote:
>>
>>> I think he'd ride a very similar bike today to the ones he rode for 50 
>>> years. 
>>>
>>>- Steel. He wasn't swayed by aluminum, titanium, or carbon, the 
>>>first time around, so nu-Jobst wouldn't choose them either. Steel is 
>>> still 
>>>tough, reliable, and cheap. 
>>>- Fillet brazed? I imagine this was for aesthetics, but I'd need to 
>>>dive into The Jobst Hole to find out. 
>>>- Rim brakes, not discs. Single pivot sidepulls (??) indicate no 
>>>worries about stopping with a simple, light, rim brake. 
>>>- Supple tires, but still narrow. I would love to see Jobst and Jan 
>>>debate the testing protocol.
>>>- Downtube shifters. Simple, light, easy cabling, and there for the 
>>>two times a day he'd shift. 
>>>- Yellow. 
>>>
>>> Philip 
>>> rec.bicycles.tech
>>> On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 1:59:48 PM UTC-8 andyree...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Laing, I think you made a lot of solid arguments. Custom steel still 
 feels like the way he'd go, and probably not so dissimilar to his 
 no-frills 
 road bikes of yore. I'm certainly grateful for his impact on the bicycle, 
 riders, and builders of today, and for the journalists keeping his name 
 alive!
 On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 3:16:07 PM UTC-6 lconley wrote:

> If he were still around, I think he would probably still have the same 
> setup as the 2008 photo, steel, rim brakes, clipless pedals. 
> But that is not the question that seems to have been posed. As I 
> understand the question, it is if his prime days were now, what would he 
> be 
> riding - basically not a silent generation member, but a later millennial 
> or early gen-Xer, but still a mechanical engineer, still concerned with 
> reliability, and dare I say it, under-biking. So maybe he still ends up 
> on 
> a metal, rimmed braked bike. I think it may be easier to eliminate some 
> things, I don't see him with electronic shifting, that just adds more 
> possible unrepairable-on-the-road failure points. I want to say no disc 
> either - as it adds stress to the fork and reduces the reliability of the 
> front end of the bike. I kind of envision him on a stripped down 80th 
> anniversary Rene-Herse or Rivendell Rodeo, or possibly some sort of 
> titanium frame.
>
> I am a mechanical engineer also, but a boomer.
>
> Laing
>
> On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 1:42:06 PM UTC-5 andyree...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> I think I'd agree that Jobst would remain an advocate for the rim 
>> brake...PROBABLY. But just to play devil's advocate, if Jobst was in his 
>> prime today, he wouldn't have been brought up with the old-school tech 
>> that 
>> we're familiar with him using, but I suppose being a *bit* of a 
>> retrogrouch could still be in his cards. To me, it would depend heavily 
>> on 
>> his opinion towards modern wheel design and if the 11 (or 12) speed hub 
>> would be a yay or nay. 

[RBW] Re: WTB: Brass Headset Spacers

[Ted Durant]

On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 8:52:41 PM UTC-6 I wrote:
Working on my Lime Olive Sam build, I am trying to find a couple of 2mm 
brass 1" headset spacers. 

Thanks Joshua. RBW list is amazing. 

Ted Durant
Milwaukee, WI USA 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Gus and Susie ride off into the sunset

[Ryan Frahm]

That makes sense Joe! 

On Wednesday, February 1, 2023 at 11:50:23 AM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:

> $3900 for a Clem?? That's a "partner told me to sell my bike" price. "Yes 
> dear, I put it on Craigslist. No takers!" 
>
> On Wednesday, February 1, 2023 at 11:21:38 AM UTC-8 brok...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Yeah, that Clem seems about $1K too steep.
>>
>> On Feb 1, 2023, at 2:11 PM, Ryan Frahm  wrote:
>>
>> Hey Kim, believe it was in a Riv email over the last couple months that 
>> the Clem will be back in April! Not sure if that was frames or completes 
>> though. Hopefully they’ll have a blue frame for you!
>>
>>
>>
>> That one for sale is nice, but $3900 seems a bit crazy. I’d sell my Susie 
>> for that and it’s a nicer build!
>> On Wednesday, February 1, 2023 at 7:22:54 AM UTC-8 krhe...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I meant to say that I would really love to buy a 59cm Clem Smith Jr. "L" 
>>> frameset in RBW blue and turn around and sell my 59cm lime olive frameset. 
>>>
>>> Kim Hetzel
>>> Yelm, WA.
>>> On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 8:40:53 PM UTC-8 Kim Hetzel wrote:
>>>
 Thank-you, Joyce. I appreciate it.

 Kim Hetzel
 Yelm, WA. 

 On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 8:28:37 PM UTC-8 JAS wrote:

> Kim, there's a blue 59 Clem L on the Portland Craigslist for you 
> though it's a fully built bike. 
>
> https://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/bik/d/portland-rivendell-clem-smith-step-thru/7583972221.html
>  
>
> --Joyce
> On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 7:32:27 PM UTC-8 Paul M wrote:
>
>> Both. I wanted to use a Chocomoose handlebar set-up on the XL Susie 
>> and it felt too stretched out for me when I was checking different 
>> options 
>> for the build that never happened. A 88 PBH put me high and low for 
>> these 
>> two sizes. Ended up with a few extra stem/bar combinations.
>>
>> On Tuesday, 31 January 2023 at 17:22:41 UTC-8 rmro...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> So was the XL a reach for you (bad pun) or are you truly between 
>>> sizes?
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Jan 31, 2023, at 7:46 PM, Paul M  wrote:
>>>
>>> I was hoping for a large when they went on sale last year and they 
>>> certainly sold out fast. The XL is fine in the height but it's 68.5cm 
>>> effective top tube is so long. The 56cm has a 66cm top tube length. 
>>> They 
>>> used a 31.8mm diameter top tube on the XL (like the Gus) and a 28.6mm 
>>> top 
>>> tube on the 56cm and smaller frames.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, 31 January 2023 at 16:30:47 UTC-8 fra...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I wasn’t going to mention to very nice Large gold Susie I have 
 listed on here but I guess it’s okay. Haha. That green looks super 
 nice 
 Paul! I’m glad you were able to snag a Large, they go quick!

 On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 4:22:00 PM UTC-8 Paul M wrote:

> I have a new XL (59cm) Lime-Olive Susie Longbolt frameset for sale 
> that I'm most likely posting later in the week. I picked up a 56cm 
> Susie 
> from the most recent Rivendell offering of the Hillibikes and need to 
> pass 
> the bigger one on. Price is $1900 plus shipping. New never ridden. 
> Thanks, 
> Paul
>
> On Tuesday, 31 January 2023 at 12:56:29 UTC-8 JW wrote:
>
>> All Susie/Gus are fillet brazed, regardless of color. 
>>
>> There was talk of going to tig welded after the last batch but it 
>> sounds like they'll be discontinued all together.
>>
>> On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 12:51:03 PM UTC-8 
>> r.ha...@live.com wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks Steve! I too decided to part ways with my previous bike 
>>> which was a lugged 1983 Specialized Expedition (kinda like a Homer) 
>>> but 
>>> what I really wanted was a step through frame. I initial wanted 
>>> (and still 
>>> do) was a 52cm Clem Smith L with ATB qualities. After building, I 
>>> realized 
>>> the Gus not really step through but its okay, I still enjoy it. 
>>> Also, I 
>>> thought all Gus/Susie are filet brazed, are they not?
>>>
>>> On Monday, January 30, 2023 at 12:26:11 PM UTC-5 
>>> steve...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Ron, judging from the pic your Gus looks to be one of filet 
 brazed models?  Nicely done build! I've been thinking about a 
 Homer, but 
 more and more the ATB qualities of the Gus/Susie and even the 
 Platypus are 
 looking attractive, and I think would be a better successor for my 
 hard 
 tail carbon fiber MTB that I've decided to part ways with.
 On Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 1:32:17 PM UTC-5 

Re: [RBW] Re: Gus and Susie ride off into the sunset

[Joe Bernard]

$3900 for a Clem?? That's a "partner told me to sell my bike" price. "Yes 
dear, I put it on Craigslist. No takers!" 

On Wednesday, February 1, 2023 at 11:21:38 AM UTC-8 brok...@gmail.com wrote:

> Yeah, that Clem seems about $1K too steep.
>
> On Feb 1, 2023, at 2:11 PM, Ryan Frahm  wrote:
>
> Hey Kim, believe it was in a Riv email over the last couple months that 
> the Clem will be back in April! Not sure if that was frames or completes 
> though. Hopefully they’ll have a blue frame for you!
>
>
>
> That one for sale is nice, but $3900 seems a bit crazy. I’d sell my Susie 
> for that and it’s a nicer build!
> On Wednesday, February 1, 2023 at 7:22:54 AM UTC-8 krhe...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> I meant to say that I would really love to buy a 59cm Clem Smith Jr. "L" 
>> frameset in RBW blue and turn around and sell my 59cm lime olive frameset. 
>>
>> Kim Hetzel
>> Yelm, WA.
>> On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 8:40:53 PM UTC-8 Kim Hetzel wrote:
>>
>>> Thank-you, Joyce. I appreciate it.
>>>
>>> Kim Hetzel
>>> Yelm, WA. 
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 8:28:37 PM UTC-8 JAS wrote:
>>>
 Kim, there's a blue 59 Clem L on the Portland Craigslist for you though 
 it's a fully built bike. 

 https://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/bik/d/portland-rivendell-clem-smith-step-thru/7583972221.html
  

 --Joyce
 On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 7:32:27 PM UTC-8 Paul M wrote:

> Both. I wanted to use a Chocomoose handlebar set-up on the XL Susie 
> and it felt too stretched out for me when I was checking different 
> options 
> for the build that never happened. A 88 PBH put me high and low for these 
> two sizes. Ended up with a few extra stem/bar combinations.
>
> On Tuesday, 31 January 2023 at 17:22:41 UTC-8 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> So was the XL a reach for you (bad pun) or are you truly between 
>> sizes?
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jan 31, 2023, at 7:46 PM, Paul M  wrote:
>>
>> I was hoping for a large when they went on sale last year and they 
>> certainly sold out fast. The XL is fine in the height but it's 68.5cm 
>> effective top tube is so long. The 56cm has a 66cm top tube length. They 
>> used a 31.8mm diameter top tube on the XL (like the Gus) and a 28.6mm 
>> top 
>> tube on the 56cm and smaller frames.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, 31 January 2023 at 16:30:47 UTC-8 fra...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> I wasn’t going to mention to very nice Large gold Susie I have 
>>> listed on here but I guess it’s okay. Haha. That green looks super nice 
>>> Paul! I’m glad you were able to snag a Large, they go quick!
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 4:22:00 PM UTC-8 Paul M wrote:
>>>
 I have a new XL (59cm) Lime-Olive Susie Longbolt frameset for sale 
 that I'm most likely posting later in the week. I picked up a 56cm 
 Susie 
 from the most recent Rivendell offering of the Hillibikes and need to 
 pass 
 the bigger one on. Price is $1900 plus shipping. New never ridden. 
 Thanks, 
 Paul

 On Tuesday, 31 January 2023 at 12:56:29 UTC-8 JW wrote:

> All Susie/Gus are fillet brazed, regardless of color. 
>
> There was talk of going to tig welded after the last batch but it 
> sounds like they'll be discontinued all together.
>
> On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 12:51:03 PM UTC-8 r.ha...@live.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Thanks Steve! I too decided to part ways with my previous bike 
>> which was a lugged 1983 Specialized Expedition (kinda like a Homer) 
>> but 
>> what I really wanted was a step through frame. I initial wanted (and 
>> still 
>> do) was a 52cm Clem Smith L with ATB qualities. After building, I 
>> realized 
>> the Gus not really step through but its okay, I still enjoy it. 
>> Also, I 
>> thought all Gus/Susie are filet brazed, are they not?
>>
>> On Monday, January 30, 2023 at 12:26:11 PM UTC-5 
>> steve...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Ron, judging from the pic your Gus looks to be one of filet 
>>> brazed models?  Nicely done build! I've been thinking about a 
>>> Homer, but 
>>> more and more the ATB qualities of the Gus/Susie and even the 
>>> Platypus are 
>>> looking attractive, and I think would be a better successor for my 
>>> hard 
>>> tail carbon fiber MTB that I've decided to part ways with.
>>> On Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 1:32:17 PM UTC-5 
>>> r.ha...@live.com wrote:
>>>
 First time Riv owner here sharing pics of my Gus build. I had 
 lots of inspiration from the Blue Lug website 
 . I have 

Re: [RBW] Re: FS MKS gammas and VP-69s

[Alex Wirth- Owner, Yellow Haus Bicycles]

All gone, thanks everyone.

On Wednesday, February 1, 2023 at 1:37:57 PM UTC-5 Alex Wirth- Owner, 
Yellow Haus Bicycles wrote:

> Latest update:
>
>
> (1) black gamma  (GONE)
> (1) black gamma  (GONE)
> (1) silver gamma (GONE)
> (1) silver gamma
> (1) blue VP-69
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Gus and Susie ride off into the sunset

[Ryan Frahm]

Makes me think someone should buy my Susie for such a sweet deal! Haha. 

On Wednesday, February 1, 2023 at 11:21:38 AM UTC-8 brok...@gmail.com wrote:

> Yeah, that Clem seems about $1K too steep.
>
> On Feb 1, 2023, at 2:11 PM, Ryan Frahm  wrote:
>
> Hey Kim, believe it was in a Riv email over the last couple months that 
> the Clem will be back in April! Not sure if that was frames or completes 
> though. Hopefully they’ll have a blue frame for you!
>
>
>
> That one for sale is nice, but $3900 seems a bit crazy. I’d sell my Susie 
> for that and it’s a nicer build!
> On Wednesday, February 1, 2023 at 7:22:54 AM UTC-8 krhe...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> I meant to say that I would really love to buy a 59cm Clem Smith Jr. "L" 
>> frameset in RBW blue and turn around and sell my 59cm lime olive frameset. 
>>
>> Kim Hetzel
>> Yelm, WA.
>> On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 8:40:53 PM UTC-8 Kim Hetzel wrote:
>>
>>> Thank-you, Joyce. I appreciate it.
>>>
>>> Kim Hetzel
>>> Yelm, WA. 
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 8:28:37 PM UTC-8 JAS wrote:
>>>
 Kim, there's a blue 59 Clem L on the Portland Craigslist for you though 
 it's a fully built bike. 

 https://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/bik/d/portland-rivendell-clem-smith-step-thru/7583972221.html
  

 --Joyce
 On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 7:32:27 PM UTC-8 Paul M wrote:

> Both. I wanted to use a Chocomoose handlebar set-up on the XL Susie 
> and it felt too stretched out for me when I was checking different 
> options 
> for the build that never happened. A 88 PBH put me high and low for these 
> two sizes. Ended up with a few extra stem/bar combinations.
>
> On Tuesday, 31 January 2023 at 17:22:41 UTC-8 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> So was the XL a reach for you (bad pun) or are you truly between 
>> sizes?
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jan 31, 2023, at 7:46 PM, Paul M  wrote:
>>
>> I was hoping for a large when they went on sale last year and they 
>> certainly sold out fast. The XL is fine in the height but it's 68.5cm 
>> effective top tube is so long. The 56cm has a 66cm top tube length. They 
>> used a 31.8mm diameter top tube on the XL (like the Gus) and a 28.6mm 
>> top 
>> tube on the 56cm and smaller frames.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, 31 January 2023 at 16:30:47 UTC-8 fra...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> I wasn’t going to mention to very nice Large gold Susie I have 
>>> listed on here but I guess it’s okay. Haha. That green looks super nice 
>>> Paul! I’m glad you were able to snag a Large, they go quick!
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 4:22:00 PM UTC-8 Paul M wrote:
>>>
 I have a new XL (59cm) Lime-Olive Susie Longbolt frameset for sale 
 that I'm most likely posting later in the week. I picked up a 56cm 
 Susie 
 from the most recent Rivendell offering of the Hillibikes and need to 
 pass 
 the bigger one on. Price is $1900 plus shipping. New never ridden. 
 Thanks, 
 Paul

 On Tuesday, 31 January 2023 at 12:56:29 UTC-8 JW wrote:

> All Susie/Gus are fillet brazed, regardless of color. 
>
> There was talk of going to tig welded after the last batch but it 
> sounds like they'll be discontinued all together.
>
> On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 12:51:03 PM UTC-8 r.ha...@live.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Thanks Steve! I too decided to part ways with my previous bike 
>> which was a lugged 1983 Specialized Expedition (kinda like a Homer) 
>> but 
>> what I really wanted was a step through frame. I initial wanted (and 
>> still 
>> do) was a 52cm Clem Smith L with ATB qualities. After building, I 
>> realized 
>> the Gus not really step through but its okay, I still enjoy it. 
>> Also, I 
>> thought all Gus/Susie are filet brazed, are they not?
>>
>> On Monday, January 30, 2023 at 12:26:11 PM UTC-5 
>> steve...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Ron, judging from the pic your Gus looks to be one of filet 
>>> brazed models?  Nicely done build! I've been thinking about a 
>>> Homer, but 
>>> more and more the ATB qualities of the Gus/Susie and even the 
>>> Platypus are 
>>> looking attractive, and I think would be a better successor for my 
>>> hard 
>>> tail carbon fiber MTB that I've decided to part ways with.
>>> On Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 1:32:17 PM UTC-5 
>>> r.ha...@live.com wrote:
>>>
 First time Riv owner here sharing pics of my Gus build. I had 
 lots of inspiration from the Blue Lug website 
 . I have 
 only rode it a few miles though and 

Re: [RBW] Re: Gus and Susie ride off into the sunset

[Brian Turner]

Yeah, that Clem seems about $1K too steep.On Feb 1, 2023, at 2:11 PM, Ryan Frahm  wrote:Hey Kim, believe it was in a Riv email over the last couple months that the Clem will be back in April! Not sure if that was frames or completes though. Hopefully they’ll have a blue frame for you!That one for sale is nice, but $3900 seems a bit crazy. I’d sell my Susie for that and it’s a nicer build!On Wednesday, February 1, 2023 at 7:22:54 AM UTC-8 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:I meant to say that I would really love to buy a 59cm Clem Smith Jr. "L" frameset in RBW blue and turn around and sell my 59cm lime olive frameset. Kim HetzelYelm, WA.On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 8:40:53 PM UTC-8 Kim Hetzel wrote:Thank-you, Joyce. I appreciate it.Kim HetzelYelm, WA. On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 8:28:37 PM UTC-8 JAS wrote:Kim, there's a blue 59 Clem L on the Portland Craigslist for you though it's a fully built bike. https://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/bik/d/portland-rivendell-clem-smith-step-thru/7583972221.html --JoyceOn Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 7:32:27 PM UTC-8 Paul M wrote:Both. I wanted to use a Chocomoose handlebar set-up on the XL Susie and it felt too stretched out for me when I was checking different options for the build that never happened. A 88 PBH put me high and low for these two sizes. Ended up with a few extra stem/bar combinations.On Tuesday, 31 January 2023 at 17:22:41 UTC-8 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:So was the XL a reach for you (bad pun) or are you truly between sizes?Sent from my iPhoneOn Jan 31, 2023, at 7:46 PM, Paul M  wrote:I was hoping for a large when they went on sale last year and they certainly sold out fast. The XL is fine in the height but it's 68.5cm effective top tube is so long. The 56cm has a 66cm top tube length. They used a 31.8mm diameter top tube on the XL (like the Gus) and a 28.6mm top tube on the 56cm and smaller frames.On Tuesday, 31 January 2023 at 16:30:47 UTC-8 fra...@gmail.com wrote:I wasn’t going to mention to very nice Large gold Susie I have listed on here but I guess it’s okay. Haha. That green looks super nice Paul! I’m glad you were able to snag a Large, they go quick!On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 4:22:00 PM UTC-8 Paul M wrote:I have a new XL (59cm) Lime-Olive Susie Longbolt frameset for sale that I'm most likely posting later in the week. I picked up a 56cm Susie from the most recent Rivendell offering of the Hillibikes and need to pass the bigger one on. Price is $1900 plus shipping. New never ridden. Thanks, PaulOn Tuesday, 31 January 2023 at 12:56:29 UTC-8 JW wrote:All Susie/Gus are fillet brazed, regardless of color. There was talk of going to tig welded after the last batch but it sounds like they'll be discontinued all together.On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 12:51:03 PM UTC-8 r.ha...@live.com wrote:Thanks Steve! I too decided to part ways with my previous bike which was a lugged 1983 Specialized Expedition (kinda like a Homer) but what I really wanted was a step through frame. I initial wanted (and still do) was a 52cm Clem Smith L with ATB qualities. After building, I realized the Gus not really step through but its okay, I still enjoy it. Also, I thought all Gus/Susie are filet brazed, are they not?On Monday, January 30, 2023 at 12:26:11 PM UTC-5 steve...@gmail.com wrote:Ron, judging from the pic your Gus looks to be one of filet brazed models?  Nicely done build! I've been thinking about a Homer, but more and more the ATB qualities of the Gus/Susie and even the Platypus are looking attractive, and I think would be a better successor for my hard tail carbon fiber MTB that I've decided to part ways with.On Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 1:32:17 PM UTC-5 r.ha...@live.com wrote:First time Riv owner here sharing pics of my Gus build. I had lots of inspiration from the Blue Lug website. I have only rode it a few miles though and still trying to get the squeal out of the brakes. So far so fun!https://photos.app.goo.gl/nWnCevTy8pV3AKNZ7On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 6:59:32 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:Richard, that is a fine and lovely bicycle. Enjoy! Joe "I want one" Bernard On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 3:22:30 PM UTC-8 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:You all are right. I just got my wheels / tires and got my first good look at this rig in person. The bb is much higher than I anticipated - within 1/2 centimeter of my full suspension MTB (for sale:)).This beast should be a hoot.Sent from my iPhoneOn Jan 10, 2023, at 9:12 AM, Ryan Frahm  wrote:I run a 172 on my Susie and it is plenty high with the 2.5” for some pretty chunky terrain. I have a 170 on my Clem with 2” and it is about an inch lower. These bikes are so long that I understand wanting a bit more clearance but if a 170 is comfortable I think the bike is high enough to pedal through anything these bikes can pedal through. I’m still getting used to the Susie as a mountain bike really. Chunky climbs are tough for me because if I get off the seat at all, instant loss of 

Re: [RBW] Re: Gus and Susie ride off into the sunset

[Ryan Frahm]

Hey Kim, believe it was in a Riv email over the last couple months that the 
Clem will be back in April! Not sure if that was frames or completes 
though. Hopefully they’ll have a blue frame for you!

That one for sale is nice, but $3900 seems a bit crazy. I’d sell my Susie 
for that and it’s a nicer build!
On Wednesday, February 1, 2023 at 7:22:54 AM UTC-8 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:

> I meant to say that I would really love to buy a 59cm Clem Smith Jr. "L" 
> frameset in RBW blue and turn around and sell my 59cm lime olive frameset. 
>
> Kim Hetzel
> Yelm, WA.
> On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 8:40:53 PM UTC-8 Kim Hetzel wrote:
>
>> Thank-you, Joyce. I appreciate it.
>>
>> Kim Hetzel
>> Yelm, WA. 
>>
>> On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 8:28:37 PM UTC-8 JAS wrote:
>>
>>> Kim, there's a blue 59 Clem L on the Portland Craigslist for you though 
>>> it's a fully built bike. 
>>>
>>> https://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/bik/d/portland-rivendell-clem-smith-step-thru/7583972221.html
>>>  
>>>
>>> --Joyce
>>> On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 7:32:27 PM UTC-8 Paul M wrote:
>>>
 Both. I wanted to use a Chocomoose handlebar set-up on the XL Susie and 
 it felt too stretched out for me when I was checking different options for 
 the build that never happened. A 88 PBH put me high and low for these two 
 sizes. Ended up with a few extra stem/bar combinations.

 On Tuesday, 31 January 2023 at 17:22:41 UTC-8 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:

> So was the XL a reach for you (bad pun) or are you truly between sizes?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 31, 2023, at 7:46 PM, Paul M  wrote:
>
> I was hoping for a large when they went on sale last year and they 
> certainly sold out fast. The XL is fine in the height but it's 68.5cm 
> effective top tube is so long. The 56cm has a 66cm top tube length. They 
> used a 31.8mm diameter top tube on the XL (like the Gus) and a 28.6mm top 
> tube on the 56cm and smaller frames.
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, 31 January 2023 at 16:30:47 UTC-8 fra...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I wasn’t going to mention to very nice Large gold Susie I have listed 
>> on here but I guess it’s okay. Haha. That green looks super nice Paul! 
>> I’m 
>> glad you were able to snag a Large, they go quick!
>>
>> On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 4:22:00 PM UTC-8 Paul M wrote:
>>
>>> I have a new XL (59cm) Lime-Olive Susie Longbolt frameset for sale 
>>> that I'm most likely posting later in the week. I picked up a 56cm 
>>> Susie 
>>> from the most recent Rivendell offering of the Hillibikes and need to 
>>> pass 
>>> the bigger one on. Price is $1900 plus shipping. New never ridden. 
>>> Thanks, 
>>> Paul
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, 31 January 2023 at 12:56:29 UTC-8 JW wrote:
>>>
 All Susie/Gus are fillet brazed, regardless of color. 

 There was talk of going to tig welded after the last batch but it 
 sounds like they'll be discontinued all together.

 On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 12:51:03 PM UTC-8 r.ha...@live.com 
 wrote:

> Thanks Steve! I too decided to part ways with my previous bike 
> which was a lugged 1983 Specialized Expedition (kinda like a Homer) 
> but 
> what I really wanted was a step through frame. I initial wanted (and 
> still 
> do) was a 52cm Clem Smith L with ATB qualities. After building, I 
> realized 
> the Gus not really step through but its okay, I still enjoy it. Also, 
> I 
> thought all Gus/Susie are filet brazed, are they not?
>
> On Monday, January 30, 2023 at 12:26:11 PM UTC-5 
> steve...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Ron, judging from the pic your Gus looks to be one of filet 
>> brazed models?  Nicely done build! I've been thinking about a Homer, 
>> but 
>> more and more the ATB qualities of the Gus/Susie and even the 
>> Platypus are 
>> looking attractive, and I think would be a better successor for my 
>> hard 
>> tail carbon fiber MTB that I've decided to part ways with.
>> On Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 1:32:17 PM UTC-5 r.ha...@live.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> First time Riv owner here sharing pics of my Gus build. I had 
>>> lots of inspiration from the Blue Lug website 
>>> . I have 
>>> only rode it a few miles though and still trying to get the squeal 
>>> out of 
>>> the brakes. So far so fun!
>>>
>>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/nWnCevTy8pV3AKNZ7
>>> [image: IMG_3291.JPG]
>>> On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 6:59:32 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Richard, that is a fine and lovely bicycle. Enjoy! 

 

Re: [RBW] Re: FS MKS gammas and VP-69s

[Alex Wirth- Owner, Yellow Haus Bicycles]

Latest update:


(1) black gamma  (GONE)
(1) black gamma  (GONE)
(1) silver gamma (GONE)
(1) silver gamma
(1) blue VP-69

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Re: [RBW] Re: Jobst Brandt thought experiment: What would he ride today?

[Mackenzy Albright]

For some reason I thought I had read that fillet joints were lighter and 
stronger than lugs. If I recall quite a few concourse des machines bikes 
were fillet vs lugged. I just assumed it was more tedious construction 
because you have to fille joints as well as it's easier to overheat tubes. 
I love lugs but love the looks of fillet brazed when I see them. Especially 
older Ritchey MTBs. 

On Wednesday, February 1, 2023 at 10:10:30 AM UTC-8 John Dewey wrote:

> Yes, that would be most interesting debate, the two Js: Jobst V. Jan. Of 
> course, Jobst had solid engineering chops as exhibited in his work at 
> Porsche. 
>
> Ah, helmet debate. Jobst did land on his head & that was the end of the 
> road for him. Sadly...or maybe not.
>
> BEST / Jock Dewey
>
> On Tue, Jan 31, 2023 at 4:37 PM Philip Williamson  
> wrote:
>
>> I think he'd ride a very similar bike today to the ones he rode for 50 
>> years. 
>>
>>- Steel. He wasn't swayed by aluminum, titanium, or carbon, the first 
>>time around, so nu-Jobst wouldn't choose them either. Steel is still 
>> tough, 
>>reliable, and cheap. 
>>- Fillet brazed? I imagine this was for aesthetics, but I'd need to 
>>dive into The Jobst Hole to find out. 
>>- Rim brakes, not discs. Single pivot sidepulls (??) indicate no 
>>worries about stopping with a simple, light, rim brake. 
>>- Supple tires, but still narrow. I would love to see Jobst and Jan 
>>debate the testing protocol.
>>- Downtube shifters. Simple, light, easy cabling, and there for the 
>>two times a day he'd shift. 
>>- Yellow. 
>>
>> Philip 
>> rec.bicycles.tech
>> On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 1:59:48 PM UTC-8 andyree...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Laing, I think you made a lot of solid arguments. Custom steel still 
>>> feels like the way he'd go, and probably not so dissimilar to his no-frills 
>>> road bikes of yore. I'm certainly grateful for his impact on the bicycle, 
>>> riders, and builders of today, and for the journalists keeping his name 
>>> alive!
>>> On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 3:16:07 PM UTC-6 lconley wrote:
>>>
 If he were still around, I think he would probably still have the same 
 setup as the 2008 photo, steel, rim brakes, clipless pedals. 
 But that is not the question that seems to have been posed. As I 
 understand the question, it is if his prime days were now, what would he 
 be 
 riding - basically not a silent generation member, but a later millennial 
 or early gen-Xer, but still a mechanical engineer, still concerned with 
 reliability, and dare I say it, under-biking. So maybe he still ends up on 
 a metal, rimmed braked bike. I think it may be easier to eliminate some 
 things, I don't see him with electronic shifting, that just adds more 
 possible unrepairable-on-the-road failure points. I want to say no disc 
 either - as it adds stress to the fork and reduces the reliability of the 
 front end of the bike. I kind of envision him on a stripped down 80th 
 anniversary Rene-Herse or Rivendell Rodeo, or possibly some sort of 
 titanium frame.

 I am a mechanical engineer also, but a boomer.

 Laing

 On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 1:42:06 PM UTC-5 andyree...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> I think I'd agree that Jobst would remain an advocate for the rim 
> brake...PROBABLY. But just to play devil's advocate, if Jobst was in his 
> prime today, he wouldn't have been brought up with the old-school tech 
> that 
> we're familiar with him using, but I suppose being a *bit* of a 
> retrogrouch could still be in his cards. To me, it would depend heavily 
> on 
> his opinion towards modern wheel design and if the 11 (or 12) speed hub 
> would be a yay or nay. As I'm typing this, I'm reminded of Ritchey's 
> comment on his use of his shifters, or lack-there-of, so I'm leaning 
> towards him reverting to shorter free-hub bodies. Hell, maybe he'd have 
> beat Rivendell to the modern-day 7 speed rear hub! Or perhaps, the Rene 
> Herse rear mech would tickle his fancy. Tough call. He'd certainly ride 
> whatever it is to the ground though. 
>
> On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 11:51:37 AM UTC-6 Jeffrey Arita wrote:
>
>> Andrew,
>>
>> Thank you for sharing.  The article was definitely worth the read.  A 
>> few things stood out to me:
>>
>> - they were/are all *extremely *fit.
>> - fear was not a word in their vocabulary.
>> - what camaraderie (and competition) at the same time.
>> - the Higgins' couple rock.  Of course the stoker is doing all the 
>> work ;)
>>
>> Jeff
>> Claremont, CA
>> (who's beloved stoker [Lori] continues to do all the work)
>>
>> On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 7:49:25 AM UTC-8 andyree...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm in the process of building a JB-inspired road bike but with a 

Re: [RBW] Re: Jobst Brandt thought experiment: What would he ride today?

[Piaw Na]

No. He did not land on his head! His brain injury was caused by a stroke 
during the surgery that was done after he'd broken his leg from a fall.
On Wednesday, February 1, 2023 at 10:10:30 AM UTC-8 John Dewey wrote:

> Yes, that would be most interesting debate, the two Js: Jobst V. Jan. Of 
> course, Jobst had solid engineering chops as exhibited in his work at 
> Porsche. 
>
> Ah, helmet debate. Jobst did land on his head & that was the end of the 
> road for him. Sadly...or maybe not.
>
> BEST / Jock Dewey
>
> On Tue, Jan 31, 2023 at 4:37 PM Philip Williamson  
> wrote:
>
>> I think he'd ride a very similar bike today to the ones he rode for 50 
>> years. 
>>
>>- Steel. He wasn't swayed by aluminum, titanium, or carbon, the first 
>>time around, so nu-Jobst wouldn't choose them either. Steel is still 
>> tough, 
>>reliable, and cheap. 
>>- Fillet brazed? I imagine this was for aesthetics, but I'd need to 
>>dive into The Jobst Hole to find out. 
>>- Rim brakes, not discs. Single pivot sidepulls (??) indicate no 
>>worries about stopping with a simple, light, rim brake. 
>>- Supple tires, but still narrow. I would love to see Jobst and Jan 
>>debate the testing protocol.
>>- Downtube shifters. Simple, light, easy cabling, and there for the 
>>two times a day he'd shift. 
>>- Yellow. 
>>
>> Philip 
>> rec.bicycles.tech
>> On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 1:59:48 PM UTC-8 andyree...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Laing, I think you made a lot of solid arguments. Custom steel still 
>>> feels like the way he'd go, and probably not so dissimilar to his no-frills 
>>> road bikes of yore. I'm certainly grateful for his impact on the bicycle, 
>>> riders, and builders of today, and for the journalists keeping his name 
>>> alive!
>>> On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 3:16:07 PM UTC-6 lconley wrote:
>>>
 If he were still around, I think he would probably still have the same 
 setup as the 2008 photo, steel, rim brakes, clipless pedals. 
 But that is not the question that seems to have been posed. As I 
 understand the question, it is if his prime days were now, what would he 
 be 
 riding - basically not a silent generation member, but a later millennial 
 or early gen-Xer, but still a mechanical engineer, still concerned with 
 reliability, and dare I say it, under-biking. So maybe he still ends up on 
 a metal, rimmed braked bike. I think it may be easier to eliminate some 
 things, I don't see him with electronic shifting, that just adds more 
 possible unrepairable-on-the-road failure points. I want to say no disc 
 either - as it adds stress to the fork and reduces the reliability of the 
 front end of the bike. I kind of envision him on a stripped down 80th 
 anniversary Rene-Herse or Rivendell Rodeo, or possibly some sort of 
 titanium frame.

 I am a mechanical engineer also, but a boomer.

 Laing

 On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 1:42:06 PM UTC-5 andyree...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> I think I'd agree that Jobst would remain an advocate for the rim 
> brake...PROBABLY. But just to play devil's advocate, if Jobst was in his 
> prime today, he wouldn't have been brought up with the old-school tech 
> that 
> we're familiar with him using, but I suppose being a *bit* of a 
> retrogrouch could still be in his cards. To me, it would depend heavily 
> on 
> his opinion towards modern wheel design and if the 11 (or 12) speed hub 
> would be a yay or nay. As I'm typing this, I'm reminded of Ritchey's 
> comment on his use of his shifters, or lack-there-of, so I'm leaning 
> towards him reverting to shorter free-hub bodies. Hell, maybe he'd have 
> beat Rivendell to the modern-day 7 speed rear hub! Or perhaps, the Rene 
> Herse rear mech would tickle his fancy. Tough call. He'd certainly ride 
> whatever it is to the ground though. 
>
> On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 11:51:37 AM UTC-6 Jeffrey Arita wrote:
>
>> Andrew,
>>
>> Thank you for sharing.  The article was definitely worth the read.  A 
>> few things stood out to me:
>>
>> - they were/are all *extremely *fit.
>> - fear was not a word in their vocabulary.
>> - what camaraderie (and competition) at the same time.
>> - the Higgins' couple rock.  Of course the stoker is doing all the 
>> work ;)
>>
>> Jeff
>> Claremont, CA
>> (who's beloved stoker [Lori] continues to do all the work)
>>
>> On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 7:49:25 AM UTC-8 andyree...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm in the process of building a JB-inspired road bike but with a 
>>> nod to current bicycle trends: mainly wider tires and spinnier gearing. 
>>> As 
>>> a result, it's made me wonder what he would be riding today if you 
>>> spliced 
>>> his timeline and moved his prime days to current day. 

Re: [RBW] Re: Jobst Brandt thought experiment: What would he ride today?

[John Dewey]

Yes, that would be most interesting debate, the two Js: Jobst V. Jan. Of
course, Jobst had solid engineering chops as exhibited in his work at
Porsche.

Ah, helmet debate. Jobst did land on his head & that was the end of the
road for him. Sadly...or maybe not.

BEST / Jock Dewey

On Tue, Jan 31, 2023 at 4:37 PM Philip Williamson <
philip.william...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I think he'd ride a very similar bike today to the ones he rode for 50
> years.
>
>- Steel. He wasn't swayed by aluminum, titanium, or carbon, the first
>time around, so nu-Jobst wouldn't choose them either. Steel is still tough,
>reliable, and cheap.
>- Fillet brazed? I imagine this was for aesthetics, but I'd need to
>dive into The Jobst Hole to find out.
>- Rim brakes, not discs. Single pivot sidepulls (??) indicate no
>worries about stopping with a simple, light, rim brake.
>- Supple tires, but still narrow. I would love to see Jobst and Jan
>debate the testing protocol.
>- Downtube shifters. Simple, light, easy cabling, and there for the
>two times a day he'd shift.
>- Yellow.
>
> Philip
> rec.bicycles.tech
> On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 1:59:48 PM UTC-8 andyree...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
>> Laing, I think you made a lot of solid arguments. Custom steel still
>> feels like the way he'd go, and probably not so dissimilar to his no-frills
>> road bikes of yore. I'm certainly grateful for his impact on the bicycle,
>> riders, and builders of today, and for the journalists keeping his name
>> alive!
>> On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 3:16:07 PM UTC-6 lconley wrote:
>>
>>> If he were still around, I think he would probably still have the same
>>> setup as the 2008 photo, steel, rim brakes, clipless pedals.
>>> But that is not the question that seems to have been posed. As I
>>> understand the question, it is if his prime days were now, what would he be
>>> riding - basically not a silent generation member, but a later millennial
>>> or early gen-Xer, but still a mechanical engineer, still concerned with
>>> reliability, and dare I say it, under-biking. So maybe he still ends up on
>>> a metal, rimmed braked bike. I think it may be easier to eliminate some
>>> things, I don't see him with electronic shifting, that just adds more
>>> possible unrepairable-on-the-road failure points. I want to say no disc
>>> either - as it adds stress to the fork and reduces the reliability of the
>>> front end of the bike. I kind of envision him on a stripped down 80th
>>> anniversary Rene-Herse or Rivendell Rodeo, or possibly some sort of
>>> titanium frame.
>>>
>>> I am a mechanical engineer also, but a boomer.
>>>
>>> Laing
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 1:42:06 PM UTC-5 andyree...@gmail.com
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I think I'd agree that Jobst would remain an advocate for the rim
 brake...PROBABLY. But just to play devil's advocate, if Jobst was in his
 prime today, he wouldn't have been brought up with the old-school tech that
 we're familiar with him using, but I suppose being a *bit* of a
 retrogrouch could still be in his cards. To me, it would depend heavily on
 his opinion towards modern wheel design and if the 11 (or 12) speed hub
 would be a yay or nay. As I'm typing this, I'm reminded of Ritchey's
 comment on his use of his shifters, or lack-there-of, so I'm leaning
 towards him reverting to shorter free-hub bodies. Hell, maybe he'd have
 beat Rivendell to the modern-day 7 speed rear hub! Or perhaps, the Rene
 Herse rear mech would tickle his fancy. Tough call. He'd certainly ride
 whatever it is to the ground though.

 On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 11:51:37 AM UTC-6 Jeffrey Arita wrote:

> Andrew,
>
> Thank you for sharing.  The article was definitely worth the read.  A
> few things stood out to me:
>
> - they were/are all *extremely *fit.
> - fear was not a word in their vocabulary.
> - what camaraderie (and competition) at the same time.
> - the Higgins' couple rock.  Of course the stoker is doing all the
> work ;)
>
> Jeff
> Claremont, CA
> (who's beloved stoker [Lori] continues to do all the work)
>
> On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 7:49:25 AM UTC-8 andyree...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
>> I'm in the process of building a JB-inspired road bike but with a nod
>> to current bicycle trends: mainly wider tires and spinnier gearing. As a
>> result, it's made me wonder what he would be riding today if you spliced
>> his timeline and moved his prime days to current day.
>>
>> Today's Radavist
>> 
>>  article
>> really fueled that question so I'd like to open it up to this group who
>> likely have much more insight into the man and his bike(s).
>>
>> What are we thinking? Rim brakes or disc? Carbon? Steel? Ti? I see a
>> lot of 

Re: [RBW] Bikes For Sale: Craigslist, ebay, etc. Fall 2022 edition

[River Bailey]

Just saw this A. Homer Hilsen on craigslist in Chicago...

https://chicago.craigslist.org/chc/bik/d/chicago-rivendell-homer-hilsen/7576294872.html

On Wednesday, February 1, 2023 at 1:34:34 AM UTC-5 Luke Hendrickson wrote:

> Epic custom!
>
> On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 2:12:32 PM UTC-8 mmille...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Not sure the condition under the dirt, but looks like good value for a 
>> custom Riv if you are in the San Jose area. Heck, could sell those tower 
>> bars and nitto, clean and relist if you don't like it.
>>
>> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/bik/d/san-jose-waterford-built-rivendell/7583922987.html[image:
>>  
>> 00d0d_a7kqoWQLvI0_0CI0lM_1200x900.jpeg]
>>
>> On Monday, January 30, 2023 at 8:20:25 AM UTC-6 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Looks like a price drop on the 60cm Hillborne in Vienna. 
>>>
>>> [image: 325914195_6538259239522205_455293595224308313_n.jpg]
>>>
>>> Sam Hillborne
>>> 60cm
>>> $1,850
>>> Vienna, Virginia 
>>>
>>> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/562587362592331/
>>> On Monday, January 2, 2023 at 9:57:19 PM UTC-5 aelga...@castilleja.org 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 And I’m selling my beautiful Sam in San Mateo.  $2100 
 Pedals and saddle not included. 



 On Mon, Jan 2, 2023 at 5:57 PM Eliot Balogh  wrote:

> There’s a beautiful Ram in Ft Lauderdale
>
>
> https://miami.craigslist.org/brw/bik/d/fort-lauderdale-2007-rivendell/7572481687.html
>
>
> And this Sam in Atlanta
>
>
> https://atlanta.craigslist.org/atl/bik/d/decatur-rivendell-hillborne-blue-and/7565756188.html
>
>
> I would have jumped on one if I wasn’t Atlantis hunting. 
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[RBW] Homer FS

[River Bailey]

Sadly I can't afford this at the moment, but maybe someone else might be 
interested in this Homer I just saw on Craigslist in Chicago...

I don't know anything about the details but it sure looks sweet!

https://chicago.craigslist.org/chc/bik/d/chicago-rivendell-homer-hilsen/7576294872.html

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Re: [RBW] Re: Jobst Brandt thought experiment: What would he ride today?

[Patrick Moore]

Not Jobst, but I recall reading somewhere a remark by Skye Yeager that
Coppi climbed the cols in a 46/19. Funny: watching old pro racing, the
riders grunt up hills at 20 rpm and spin out seated in sprints at 160 rpm,
whereas it's the opposite today.

On Wed, Feb 1, 2023 at 7:22 AM Eric Marth  wrote:

> I can't wrap my head around the gearing in the pictures Jeremy shared.
> Good lord! He was pushing some big gears all the way to the end.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Jobst Brandt thought experiment: What would he ride today?

[Patrick Moore]

I'd be interested to hear others' opinions about this; I hope it's true --
ie, I hope fillet brazing is one of the stronger joining methods. Ideas?

Chauncey Matthews used bilaminate construction on my Matthews 1 (Fat tire
road bike) and all fillet brazing on the 2020 road bike.

Speaking of which: Blast from past? As I Googled bilaminate construction
just now, the top entry in a page of irrelevant biochemical links just
happened to be this:

http://www.halletthandbuiltcycles.com/methods.html

Richard Hallet, frame builder, prices in GBPs. Can this be the by now very
old Richard Hallet who for decades owned World Champion Bicycles at the
intersection of Lead and Yale SE here in ABQ, NM? He was a curmudgeon, but
he had the best collection of important old bikes that I've seen, including
a pristine, probably repro boneshaker and, in the window, an 1890s men's
cycling costume that, he claimed, he repeatedly refused to sell to the
Smithsonian. I got onto his good side and he took me a couple of blocks to
his warehouse where he had a huge collection of museum-quality historical
bikes, including a track frame used by Reg Harris. He also showed me a
new-in-box Cyclo rear derailleur, the rod-and-pulley model, notable as much
for being NOS as for being a Cyclo rod/pulley rd. He retired and left ABQ
circa 2002 -- I gave him a broken Orbit tandem just before he moved.

Does anyone know?

On Wed, Feb 1, 2023 at 6:24 AM lconley  wrote:

> ... From what I think I know, fillet brazing is stronger than TIG, as it
> spreads the stress over a greater area. I think I also read once that
> fillet brazing is sometime used over top of TIG

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Re: [RBW] Re: Sharing Your Winter Ride Fotos 2023

[Richard Rose]

Hello Kim. Too soon to tell. I have yet to complete the build. I am waiting on cables. It is complete enough for me to pedal (slowly!) around the driveway & down the street to check fit & get a feel for it. I think I am very close - it feels very familiar. I am trying to duplicate my position / touch points from the Clem. It’s a bit tricky going back & forth between bikes with measurements. The Gus sits higher off the ground - higher bottom bracket & bigger wheels. Same saddle on both bikes, B17. Bosco bars on both, 550 steel on the Clem, 580 aluminum on the Gus. Saddle position nearly identical on both bikes. Gus is longer so I have a shorter stem (parts bin) on it - 80mm vs. 135mm on the Clem. I think I need a 100mm for the Gus as the reach to the tips is about 2.5cm shorter on the Gus. All that said, it feels fantastic. I am very optimistic that it will be a blast to ride on the MTB trails I frequent. When mounting the Gus I do miss the true step through Clem. I need to work on my hip flexibility! But the Gus feels a bit stiffer which I think is a good thing for singletrack.Sent from my iPhoneOn Feb 1, 2023, at 10:25 AM, Kim Hetzel  wrote:Hi Richard, How does your new Gus feel and handle ?Kim HetzelYelm, WA.On Wed, Feb 1, 2023 at 6:22 AM Richard Rose  wrote:Been meaning to post a few pics.Sent from my iPhoneOn Jan 30, 2023, at 4:34 PM, Slin  wrote:Takashi - Thanks, I just built up the Platypus for my wife. I'm in San Francisco, so it doesn't get that cold. :)On Monday, January 30, 2023 at 6:22:57 AM UTC-8 Takashi wrote:Thanks for great photos everyone!Piaw, that's a cool-looking Roadini. Must be fun zipping through the pictured landscape.Ryan, I agree with you, the view is worth the hard climb. Spectacular.Cody, congrats on getting a new Sam! That silver is so beautiful.Glad to know that your Sam is already comfortable. Please keep posting photos!Luke, I assume there were no cars due to that fallen tree. Looks like a very quiet ride.Brian, the picture with crispy fallen leaves is very winter-ish.Looks very cold, did you have a good sleep?Jock, wow, that rainbow! Thank you for sharing.MoVelo, your bike looks like a very useful machine, and a perfect one to ride on a road like that.Jason, great picture as always, catching the atmosphere so well that I almost feel like being there.Eric, as others commented in another thread, that's a beautifully restored bike.And I love that you are taking it to that beautiful place right after building it.Slin, that's a beautiful Platypus. Looks like a warm day?Luke, that's a spectacular view. I assume it's very cold on a windy day.Ted, now THAT's a winter ride foto! That white road looks like inviting the cyclist to ride as far as possible.Matti, oh, another happy new Sam rider! That green color, along with shiny fenders and a classy front bag, looks great.Enjoy many miles on it!We had some snowfall last night and today:Takashi



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Re: [RBW] Re: Gus and Susie ride off into the sunset

[Kim Hetzel]

I meant to say that I would really love to buy a 59cm Clem Smith Jr. "L" 
frameset in RBW blue and turn around and sell my 59cm lime olive frameset. 

Kim Hetzel
Yelm, WA.
On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 8:40:53 PM UTC-8 Kim Hetzel wrote:

> Thank-you, Joyce. I appreciate it.
>
> Kim Hetzel
> Yelm, WA. 
>
> On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 8:28:37 PM UTC-8 JAS wrote:
>
>> Kim, there's a blue 59 Clem L on the Portland Craigslist for you though 
>> it's a fully built bike. 
>>
>> https://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/bik/d/portland-rivendell-clem-smith-step-thru/7583972221.html
>>  
>>
>> --Joyce
>> On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 7:32:27 PM UTC-8 Paul M wrote:
>>
>>> Both. I wanted to use a Chocomoose handlebar set-up on the XL Susie and 
>>> it felt too stretched out for me when I was checking different options for 
>>> the build that never happened. A 88 PBH put me high and low for these two 
>>> sizes. Ended up with a few extra stem/bar combinations.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, 31 January 2023 at 17:22:41 UTC-8 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 So was the XL a reach for you (bad pun) or are you truly between sizes?

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Jan 31, 2023, at 7:46 PM, Paul M  wrote:

 I was hoping for a large when they went on sale last year and they 
 certainly sold out fast. The XL is fine in the height but it's 68.5cm 
 effective top tube is so long. The 56cm has a 66cm top tube length. They 
 used a 31.8mm diameter top tube on the XL (like the Gus) and a 28.6mm top 
 tube on the 56cm and smaller frames.



 On Tuesday, 31 January 2023 at 16:30:47 UTC-8 fra...@gmail.com wrote:

> I wasn’t going to mention to very nice Large gold Susie I have listed 
> on here but I guess it’s okay. Haha. That green looks super nice Paul! 
> I’m 
> glad you were able to snag a Large, they go quick!
>
> On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 4:22:00 PM UTC-8 Paul M wrote:
>
>> I have a new XL (59cm) Lime-Olive Susie Longbolt frameset for sale 
>> that I'm most likely posting later in the week. I picked up a 56cm Susie 
>> from the most recent Rivendell offering of the Hillibikes and need to 
>> pass 
>> the bigger one on. Price is $1900 plus shipping. New never ridden. 
>> Thanks, 
>> Paul
>>
>> On Tuesday, 31 January 2023 at 12:56:29 UTC-8 JW wrote:
>>
>>> All Susie/Gus are fillet brazed, regardless of color. 
>>>
>>> There was talk of going to tig welded after the last batch but it 
>>> sounds like they'll be discontinued all together.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 12:51:03 PM UTC-8 r.ha...@live.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Thanks Steve! I too decided to part ways with my previous bike 
 which was a lugged 1983 Specialized Expedition (kinda like a Homer) 
 but 
 what I really wanted was a step through frame. I initial wanted (and 
 still 
 do) was a 52cm Clem Smith L with ATB qualities. After building, I 
 realized 
 the Gus not really step through but its okay, I still enjoy it. Also, 
 I 
 thought all Gus/Susie are filet brazed, are they not?

 On Monday, January 30, 2023 at 12:26:11 PM UTC-5 steve...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Ron, judging from the pic your Gus looks to be one of filet brazed 
> models?  Nicely done build! I've been thinking about a Homer, but 
> more and 
> more the ATB qualities of the Gus/Susie and even the Platypus are 
> looking 
> attractive, and I think would be a better successor for my hard tail 
> carbon 
> fiber MTB that I've decided to part ways with.
> On Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 1:32:17 PM UTC-5 r.ha...@live.com 
> wrote:
>
>> First time Riv owner here sharing pics of my Gus build. I had 
>> lots of inspiration from the Blue Lug website 
>> . I have 
>> only rode it a few miles though and still trying to get the squeal 
>> out of 
>> the brakes. So far so fun!
>>
>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/nWnCevTy8pV3AKNZ7
>> [image: IMG_3291.JPG]
>> On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 6:59:32 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Richard, that is a fine and lovely bicycle. Enjoy! 
>>>
>>> Joe "I want one" Bernard 
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 3:22:30 PM UTC-8 
>>> rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 You all are right. I just got my wheels / tires and got my 
 first good look at this rig in person. The bb is much higher than 
 I 
 anticipated - within 1/2 centimeter of my full suspension MTB (for 
 sale:)).
 This beast should be a hoot.
 [image: image0.jpeg][image: 

Re: [RBW] Re: FS MKS gammas and VP-69s

[Kim Hetzel]

Thank-you, Alex.

Kim Hetzel
Yelm, WA.

On Wednesday, February 1, 2023 at 7:14:07 AM UTC-8 Alex Wirth- Owner, 
Yellow Haus Bicycles wrote:

> Hi Kim, $55 shipped conus, add 3% for goods and services if you'd prefer 
> that payment method.
>
> (1) black gamma  (GONE)
> (1) black gamma  (GONE)
>
> (1) silver gamma
> (1) silver gamma
> (1) blue VP-69
> On Wed, Feb 1, 2023 at 9:55 AM Kim Hetzel  wrote:
>
>> What is your pricing Alex ?
>>
>> Kim Hetzel
>> Yelm, WA.
>>
>> On Wednesday, February 1, 2023 at 6:52:03 AM UTC-8 Alex Wirth- Owner, 
>> Yellow Haus Bicycles wrote:
>>
>>> (1) black gamma  (GONE)
>>> (1) black gamma
>>> (1) silver gamma
>>> (1) silver gamma
>>> (1) blue VP-69
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, February 1, 2023 at 9:47:32 AM UTC-5 Alex Wirth- Owner, 
>>> Yellow Haus Bicycles wrote:
>>>
 FS Pedals! MKS Gammas and VP-69s

 [image: 5️⃣][image: 5️⃣] ea [image: ] ‘d conus w/ usps tracking, 
 take [image: 5️⃣] off for multiples

 (1) black gamma
 (1) black gamma
 (1) silver gamma
 (1) silver gamma
 (1) blue VP-69

 I’ll update here as they go. Payment via PayPal, Venmo or Cashapp, 
 goods and services add 3%

 [image: pedals.jpg]

 Cheers,

 Alex Wirth
 Rochester, NY

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS MKS gammas and VP-69s

[Alex Wirth]

Hi Kim, $55 shipped conus, add 3% for goods and services if you'd prefer
that payment method.

(1) black gamma  (GONE)
(1) black gamma  (GONE)
(1) silver gamma
(1) silver gamma
(1) blue VP-69

On Wed, Feb 1, 2023 at 9:55 AM Kim Hetzel  wrote:

> What is your pricing Alex ?
>
> Kim Hetzel
> Yelm, WA.
>
> On Wednesday, February 1, 2023 at 6:52:03 AM UTC-8 Alex Wirth- Owner,
> Yellow Haus Bicycles wrote:
>
>> (1) black gamma  (GONE)
>> (1) black gamma
>> (1) silver gamma
>> (1) silver gamma
>> (1) blue VP-69
>>
>> On Wednesday, February 1, 2023 at 9:47:32 AM UTC-5 Alex Wirth- Owner,
>> Yellow Haus Bicycles wrote:
>>
>>> FS Pedals! MKS Gammas and VP-69s
>>>
>>> [image: 5️⃣][image: 5️⃣] ea [image: ] ‘d conus w/ usps tracking, take 
>>> [image:
>>> 5️⃣] off for multiples
>>>
>>> (1) black gamma
>>> (1) black gamma
>>> (1) silver gamma
>>> (1) silver gamma
>>> (1) blue VP-69
>>>
>>> I’ll update here as they go. Payment via PayPal, Venmo or Cashapp, goods
>>> and services add 3%
>>>
>>> [image: pedals.jpg]
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Alex Wirth
>>> Rochester, NY
>>>
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[RBW] Re: FS MKS gammas and VP-69s

[Kim Hetzel]

What is your pricing Alex ?

Kim Hetzel
Yelm, WA.

On Wednesday, February 1, 2023 at 6:52:03 AM UTC-8 Alex Wirth- Owner, 
Yellow Haus Bicycles wrote:

> (1) black gamma  (GONE)
> (1) black gamma
> (1) silver gamma
> (1) silver gamma
> (1) blue VP-69
>
> On Wednesday, February 1, 2023 at 9:47:32 AM UTC-5 Alex Wirth- Owner, 
> Yellow Haus Bicycles wrote:
>
>> FS Pedals! MKS Gammas and VP-69s
>>
>> [image: 5️⃣][image: 5️⃣] ea [image: ] ‘d conus w/ usps tracking, take 
>> [image: 
>> 5️⃣] off for multiples
>>
>> (1) black gamma
>> (1) black gamma
>> (1) silver gamma
>> (1) silver gamma
>> (1) blue VP-69
>>
>> I’ll update here as they go. Payment via PayPal, Venmo or Cashapp, goods 
>> and services add 3%
>>
>> [image: pedals.jpg]
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Alex Wirth
>> Rochester, NY
>>
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[RBW] Re: FS MKS gammas and VP-69s

[Alex Wirth- Owner, Yellow Haus Bicycles]

(1) black gamma  (GONE)
(1) black gamma
(1) silver gamma
(1) silver gamma
(1) blue VP-69

On Wednesday, February 1, 2023 at 9:47:32 AM UTC-5 Alex Wirth- Owner, 
Yellow Haus Bicycles wrote:

> FS Pedals! MKS Gammas and VP-69s
>
> [image: 5️⃣][image: 5️⃣] ea [image: ] ‘d conus w/ usps tracking, take 
> [image: 
> 5️⃣] off for multiples
>
> (1) black gamma
> (1) black gamma
> (1) silver gamma
> (1) silver gamma
> (1) blue VP-69
>
> I’ll update here as they go. Payment via PayPal, Venmo or Cashapp, goods 
> and services add 3%
>
> [image: pedals.jpg]
>
> Cheers,
>
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> Rochester, NY
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Re: [RBW] Re: New build: 1985 Bridgestone MB-2

[Eric Marth]

Thanks, Keith. I'm glad to hear I'm tolerable enough for the kids. 

I appreciate the kind note!

The button-head bolts were filler when I first got the frame. All 
socket-head now 

On Saturday, January 28, 2023 at 9:32:00 PM UTC-5 Keith P. wrote:

> Another lovely bike and another beautiful video, Eric.  
> I've watched it a couple of times now. (The kids will come in and groan 
> "oh, the bike guy again,"  but then stay and watch the whole thing.) 
> I know how much thought and work and effort goes into all that coverage. I 
> really appreciate how much love you put into them.
>
> Looks like you found some round-headed brass bolts for your bottle mounts. 
> Nice find.
>
> Paul, that Trek is a treat. What a color!
>
> k.
>
> On Saturday, January 28, 2023 at 9:18:58 AM UTC-8 RichS wrote:
>
>> Another vote for Jen Green’s fine work. She did a head badge, made from 
>> nickel, for me several years ago.
>>
>> Best,
>> Rich in ATL
>>
>> On Sat, Jan 28, 2023 at 9:39 AM, Eric Marth  wrote:
>>
>>> JohnS — Let us know how it turns out!
>>>
>>> Rich — Thanks for the thumbs, Rich. I put a little more effort into the 
>>> still photo documentation this time around, my iPhone 8 just couldn't 
>>> render the metal surface and details. 
>>>
>>> Paul — Thank you! I hadn't seen Jen Green's work, thanks for the link. 
>>> The Bontrager is rad! Looks like you put a lot of labor and love into it. A 
>>> proper headbadge always beats a decal!
>>>
>>> On Friday, January 27, 2023 at 10:20:00 PM UTC-5 Bikie#4646 wrote:
>>>
 Eric,
 I finally got to view your superb YouTube video - wonderfully relaxing! 
 (As well as informative, of course.)
 I loved all the attention you put into the headbadge, too. You may 
 already know, but a gal in Philly, Jen Green, does custom head badges and 
 does a great job. (She works in bronze too, but maybe not brass.)  
 Revolution Cycle Jewelry: 
 https://www.headbadges.com/store/c2/Headbadges.html
 I had her make a Bontrager badge a few years ago for my CX bike that I 
 had Keith Bontrager build for me in 1989. 

 https://www.flickr.com/photos/bikecrazy-paul/48051561606/in/dateposted-public/
 https://www.flickr.com/photos/bikecrazy-paul/albums/7215770445842
 Paul Germain
 Midlothian, Va.

 On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 6:06:27 PM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> [image: MB-2 230115 S 00 Complete.jpg]
>
> Hi all — I just finished up a build, it's a 1985 Bridgestone MB-2. I 
> have a full build video up over here: https://youtu.be/gJPnbpzjbKg
>
> [image: MB-2 230115 S 01 Complete.jpg]
>
> I purchased the bike as a complete from Marketplace, it was stock but 
> for the saddle and tires. Everything was removed and I passed the frame 
> over to Rob Gassie at Bing Bicycles. He added some rack mounts to the 
> fork 
> and seat stays, changes some the cable guides, added a third bottle boss 
> to 
> the downtube and two additional bottle bosses to the underside. He also 
> stripped the frame to raw steel. 
>
> [image: MB-2 230115 S 02 Headbadge.jpg]
>
> Instead of paint I went for a raw finish. There are two applications 
> of patination acids, with and without heat, followed by clear lacquer and 
> wax. 
>
> [image: MB-2 230115 S Rear mech.jpg]
>
> It's built up with a mix of parts from across time, all silver. 
> De-anodized some black Paul cantilevers and also de-anodized an XTR 
> RD-M952. Dead stock WTB grease guard headset purchased from Jacque 
> Phelan. 
> Lots of Suntour, some TA cranks and modern parts from Japan. Crust x 
> Nitto 
> Shaka bars, MKS bear trap pedals, Nitto cable hanger. 
>
> [image: MB-2 230115 S Downtube.jpg]
>
> I had some custom brass headbadges made with the old Bridgestone logo 
> which I shaped and finished. 
>
> [image: MB2 09 SM Head tube.jpg]
>
> Velocity Atlas 26" wheelset with a Kasai dynamo hub up front and an 
> XTR M900 in the rear. Front wheel by Rich at Rivendell, rear built by 
> Andre 
> at my local bike shop. I'm running Rene Herse extra-light tires with a 
> Rat 
> Trap Pass in the back and a Humptulips Ridge in front. 
>
> Many thanks to members here for helping out with parts when I needed 
> them: Trevor B., Dave H., Liz S. and Patrick M. 
>
> • Velocity Atlas 26" 32/32 wheelset
> • Rene Herse Antelope Hill, extra light
> • Rene Herse Rat Trap Pass, extra light
> • Shimano XTR M900 rear hub
> • Kasai 32H front hub
> • Schmidt Edelux II polished headlight
> • Busch + Müller light mount
> • Crust x Nitto Shaka handlebars, 54cm
> • Newbaum's cotton bar tape, white
> • Suntour Bar-Con shifters
> • Suntour Superbe levers
> • Paul Neo Retro cantilever brakes, front
> • Paul Touring cantilever brakes, rear
> • Hunter Nugz barrel 

[RBW] Re: Jobst Brandt thought experiment: What would he ride today?

[Eric Marth]

I can't wrap my head around the gearing in the pictures Jeremy shared. Good 
lord! He was pushing some big gears all the way to the end. 

On Wednesday, February 1, 2023 at 8:24:23 AM UTC-5 lconley wrote:

> I think fillet brazing allowed him complete freedom of frame geometry and 
> tube sizing, without compromising strength (vs. lugs). I needed somewhat 
> different geometry and tube sizing on my custom, due to my weight and 
> lng torso, and that resulted in a fillet brazed bottom bracket as there 
> were no readily available BB lug. From what I think I know, fillet brazing 
> is stronger than TIG, as it spreads the stress over a greater area. I think 
> I also read once that fillet brazing is sometime used over top of TIG.
>
> Laing
>
> On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 7:36:58 PM UTC-5 Philip Williamson wrote:
>
>> I think he'd ride a very similar bike today to the ones he rode for 50 
>> years. 
>>
>>- Steel. He wasn't swayed by aluminum, titanium, or carbon, the first 
>>time around, so nu-Jobst wouldn't choose them either. Steel is still 
>> tough, 
>>reliable, and cheap. 
>>- Fillet brazed? I imagine this was for aesthetics, but I'd need to 
>>dive into The Jobst Hole to find out. 
>>- Rim brakes, not discs. Single pivot sidepulls (??) indicate no 
>>worries about stopping with a simple, light, rim brake. 
>>- Supple tires, but still narrow. I would love to see Jobst and Jan 
>>debate the testing protocol.
>>- Downtube shifters. Simple, light, easy cabling, and there for the 
>>two times a day he'd shift. 
>>- Yellow. 
>>
>> Philip 
>> rec.bicycles.tech
>> On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 1:59:48 PM UTC-8 andyree...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Laing, I think you made a lot of solid arguments. Custom steel still 
>>> feels like the way he'd go, and probably not so dissimilar to his no-frills 
>>> road bikes of yore. I'm certainly grateful for his impact on the bicycle, 
>>> riders, and builders of today, and for the journalists keeping his name 
>>> alive!
>>> On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 3:16:07 PM UTC-6 lconley wrote:
>>>
 If he were still around, I think he would probably still have the same 
 setup as the 2008 photo, steel, rim brakes, clipless pedals. 
 But that is not the question that seems to have been posed. As I 
 understand the question, it is if his prime days were now, what would he 
 be 
 riding - basically not a silent generation member, but a later millennial 
 or early gen-Xer, but still a mechanical engineer, still concerned with 
 reliability, and dare I say it, under-biking. So maybe he still ends up on 
 a metal, rimmed braked bike. I think it may be easier to eliminate some 
 things, I don't see him with electronic shifting, that just adds more 
 possible unrepairable-on-the-road failure points. I want to say no disc 
 either - as it adds stress to the fork and reduces the reliability of the 
 front end of the bike. I kind of envision him on a stripped down 80th 
 anniversary Rene-Herse or Rivendell Rodeo, or possibly some sort of 
 titanium frame.

 I am a mechanical engineer also, but a boomer.

 Laing

 On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 1:42:06 PM UTC-5 andyree...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> I think I'd agree that Jobst would remain an advocate for the rim 
> brake...PROBABLY. But just to play devil's advocate, if Jobst was in his 
> prime today, he wouldn't have been brought up with the old-school tech 
> that 
> we're familiar with him using, but I suppose being a *bit* of a 
> retrogrouch could still be in his cards. To me, it would depend heavily 
> on 
> his opinion towards modern wheel design and if the 11 (or 12) speed hub 
> would be a yay or nay. As I'm typing this, I'm reminded of Ritchey's 
> comment on his use of his shifters, or lack-there-of, so I'm leaning 
> towards him reverting to shorter free-hub bodies. Hell, maybe he'd have 
> beat Rivendell to the modern-day 7 speed rear hub! Or perhaps, the Rene 
> Herse rear mech would tickle his fancy. Tough call. He'd certainly ride 
> whatever it is to the ground though. 
>
> On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 11:51:37 AM UTC-6 Jeffrey Arita wrote:
>
>> Andrew,
>>
>> Thank you for sharing.  The article was definitely worth the read.  A 
>> few things stood out to me:
>>
>> - they were/are all *extremely *fit.
>> - fear was not a word in their vocabulary.
>> - what camaraderie (and competition) at the same time.
>> - the Higgins' couple rock.  Of course the stoker is doing all the 
>> work ;)
>>
>> Jeff
>> Claremont, CA
>> (who's beloved stoker [Lori] continues to do all the work)
>>
>> On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 7:49:25 AM UTC-8 andyree...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm in the process of building a JB-inspired road bike but with a 

[RBW] Re: Jobst Brandt thought experiment: What would he ride today?

[lconley]

I think fillet brazing allowed him complete freedom of frame geometry and 
tube sizing, without compromising strength (vs. lugs). I needed somewhat 
different geometry and tube sizing on my custom, due to my weight and 
lng torso, and that resulted in a fillet brazed bottom bracket as there 
were no readily available BB lug. From what I think I know, fillet brazing 
is stronger than TIG, as it spreads the stress over a greater area. I think 
I also read once that fillet brazing is sometime used over top of TIG.

Laing

On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 7:36:58 PM UTC-5 Philip Williamson wrote:

> I think he'd ride a very similar bike today to the ones he rode for 50 
> years. 
>
>- Steel. He wasn't swayed by aluminum, titanium, or carbon, the first 
>time around, so nu-Jobst wouldn't choose them either. Steel is still 
> tough, 
>reliable, and cheap. 
>- Fillet brazed? I imagine this was for aesthetics, but I'd need to 
>dive into The Jobst Hole to find out. 
>- Rim brakes, not discs. Single pivot sidepulls (??) indicate no 
>worries about stopping with a simple, light, rim brake. 
>- Supple tires, but still narrow. I would love to see Jobst and Jan 
>debate the testing protocol.
>- Downtube shifters. Simple, light, easy cabling, and there for the 
>two times a day he'd shift. 
>- Yellow. 
>
> Philip 
> rec.bicycles.tech
> On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 1:59:48 PM UTC-8 andyree...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Laing, I think you made a lot of solid arguments. Custom steel still 
>> feels like the way he'd go, and probably not so dissimilar to his no-frills 
>> road bikes of yore. I'm certainly grateful for his impact on the bicycle, 
>> riders, and builders of today, and for the journalists keeping his name 
>> alive!
>> On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 3:16:07 PM UTC-6 lconley wrote:
>>
>>> If he were still around, I think he would probably still have the same 
>>> setup as the 2008 photo, steel, rim brakes, clipless pedals. 
>>> But that is not the question that seems to have been posed. As I 
>>> understand the question, it is if his prime days were now, what would he be 
>>> riding - basically not a silent generation member, but a later millennial 
>>> or early gen-Xer, but still a mechanical engineer, still concerned with 
>>> reliability, and dare I say it, under-biking. So maybe he still ends up on 
>>> a metal, rimmed braked bike. I think it may be easier to eliminate some 
>>> things, I don't see him with electronic shifting, that just adds more 
>>> possible unrepairable-on-the-road failure points. I want to say no disc 
>>> either - as it adds stress to the fork and reduces the reliability of the 
>>> front end of the bike. I kind of envision him on a stripped down 80th 
>>> anniversary Rene-Herse or Rivendell Rodeo, or possibly some sort of 
>>> titanium frame.
>>>
>>> I am a mechanical engineer also, but a boomer.
>>>
>>> Laing
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 1:42:06 PM UTC-5 andyree...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I think I'd agree that Jobst would remain an advocate for the rim 
 brake...PROBABLY. But just to play devil's advocate, if Jobst was in his 
 prime today, he wouldn't have been brought up with the old-school tech 
 that 
 we're familiar with him using, but I suppose being a *bit* of a 
 retrogrouch could still be in his cards. To me, it would depend heavily on 
 his opinion towards modern wheel design and if the 11 (or 12) speed hub 
 would be a yay or nay. As I'm typing this, I'm reminded of Ritchey's 
 comment on his use of his shifters, or lack-there-of, so I'm leaning 
 towards him reverting to shorter free-hub bodies. Hell, maybe he'd have 
 beat Rivendell to the modern-day 7 speed rear hub! Or perhaps, the Rene 
 Herse rear mech would tickle his fancy. Tough call. He'd certainly ride 
 whatever it is to the ground though. 

 On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 11:51:37 AM UTC-6 Jeffrey Arita wrote:

> Andrew,
>
> Thank you for sharing.  The article was definitely worth the read.  A 
> few things stood out to me:
>
> - they were/are all *extremely *fit.
> - fear was not a word in their vocabulary.
> - what camaraderie (and competition) at the same time.
> - the Higgins' couple rock.  Of course the stoker is doing all the 
> work ;)
>
> Jeff
> Claremont, CA
> (who's beloved stoker [Lori] continues to do all the work)
>
> On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 7:49:25 AM UTC-8 andyree...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> I'm in the process of building a JB-inspired road bike but with a nod 
>> to current bicycle trends: mainly wider tires and spinnier gearing. As a 
>> result, it's made me wonder what he would be riding today if you spliced 
>> his timeline and moved his prime days to current day. 
>>
>> Today's Radavist 
>> 

Re: [RBW] Re: Red Toyo Atlantis?

[iamkeith]

On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 2:29:49 PM UTC-7 homer...@gmail.com wrote:
Wow, you guys really are the source for all things Rivendell!!… I mean 
seriously, tracking down the original owner?… Smart!
Thanks to your assistance, I’ve decided to pass on this opportunity for the 
moment…

 I think I’m going to wait for a 60cm and honestly I need to sell or trade 
my Jones LBW first, not only for the Atlantis money, but more importantly 
just to keep my wife happy
Again, Thank You So Much!


My hunch is that it'd be a tad too small, but wanted to add one more 
comment before you give up:  You mentioned wanting to wait for a 60cm, but 
there actually wasn't such a thing in this era Atlantis.  Even though they 
came in the normal-for-the-time 2 cm increments, there was an odd 3 cm jump 
between this one (58) and the next one (61).  Standover and some other 
dimensions took an odd turn at that increment.  You should fig up the old 
geometry charts from Jim's Cyclofied website to make sure it would work - 
or that this one wouldn't (assuming you have your heart set on this 
vintage.)

I remember this all too well, because I wanted one so badly, stared at the 
charts forever, and tried to rationalize buying one even though I fell 
squarely between sizes.  I was convinced it was some sort of conspiracy by 
Grant, that started with the missing size 57 cm XO-1 years earlier.  I 
never got the Atlantis, but did end up with a 60 Ram, a 60 quickbeam, a 60 
Saluki and  60 All Rounder... because I couldn't have "the one."  They all 
fit me great, but the Atlantis just wouldn't have.  (FWIW, I'm 6'-1 1/2" 
and have an 87 PBH.  All torso)




 
“Maranatha”!


On Jan 31, 2023, at 12:42 PM, Jeremy Till  wrote:

I *think* this bike was formerly owned by (former list member?) Gino 
Zahnd, as evidenced by this photo from 2013, which I faved at the time: 

https://flic.kr/p/f8fyGT

Gino does reference selling it in the comments on the photo.  

-Jeremy Till
Sacramento, CA

On Monday, January 30, 2023 at 9:27:02 AM UTC-8 homer...@gmail.com wrote:
I very curious about this bike. Honestly, I’ve just never seen a red 
Atlantis?
Does Anyone know what year this bike was made?

Thanx folks 

https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/d/vallejo-rivendell-atlantis-58/7578102714.html

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