[RBW] Re: Newer Sam Hillborne/Toyo Atlantis crossover

[Randy Spencer]

I have both a toyo atlantis and i think a 2011 (double top tube, 
centermount) hillborne. They are markedly different beasts, atlantis with 
clearance for days, 2.2s could fit comfortably, the sam has narrower 
chainstays that limit it to 48s with some rubbing on high effort pushes. 
Tubing seems to be about the same stoutness, though the extra top tube 
might have something to do with that. The setups are different too, one 
intended for townie cruising, comfort, and gravel road touring in all 
weather, the other geared for more spirited road riding with capacity to 
jump into gravel roads and hairy descents. I will say, i do wish 
occasionally for a more road forward bike having the atlantis, but i make 
do with what i have. 
-Randy in Portland, OR
On Sunday, November 26, 2023 at 9:39:04 AM UTC-8 exliontamer wrote:

> Thanks for the insights. I have a potential trade for another frame I have 
> but I have a feeling they'd be too similar outside of the slightly lighter 
> tubing. 
> On Saturday, November 25, 2023 at 8:00:55 PM UTC-6 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> The difference would be tubing. Hillborne is a "country bike" not 
>> intended to carry touring loads or bomb around on gnarly trails. Atlantis 
>> (that's one the I owned) is a beefy frame which will take just about 
>> anything you can throw at it. 
>>
>> On Saturday, November 25, 2023 at 5:29:30 PM UTC-8 brycel...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> If you compare the two bikes on bike insights, they're almost identical 
>>> except the new Sams have more stack.
>>>
>>> On Saturday, November 25, 2023 at 12:36:39 PM UTC-5 exliontamer wrote:
>>>
 Just curious if anyone has any real world experience with both of these 
 bikes, and if so, how similar they feel & ride (aside from obvious 
 differences like tire clearance). I have a 61 Atlantis and am looking at a 
 60 Hillborne. Thanks!
>>>
>>>

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Re: [RBW] Craigslist, etc 2023

[lambbo]

That's my secret Cheviot!  The decoy dog-bags in the basket are my best 
anti-theft device.  That and a lot of rustoleum brown primer on the shiny 
bits.

Oh what a bike, thanks for the love!

On Monday, November 13, 2023 at 4:10:33 PM UTC-5 Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY 
wrote:

> [image: IMG_6778_Original.jpeg]Here’s a candidate for beausage of the 
> month…
> Not for sale as far as I know, so the wrong post, but with all the talk of 
> tough lockups, this one stood out to me.
> -Kai
>
>
> On Monday, November 13, 2023 at 2:03:50 PM UTC-5 ericf3 wrote:
>
>> "Who are you going to believe?? Me, or your own eyes??"  -Groucho
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, 13 Nov 2023 at 11:01, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>
>>> Yeah it's the seller description that annoys me, I don't appreciate 
>>> being told my eyes don't see what I'm clearly seeing. This happens a lot on 
>>> Craigslist. 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, November 13, 2023 at 10:26:10 AM UTC-8 RichS wrote:
>>>
 That's some harsh beausage or what the owner calls "regular scuffs". 
 YMMV I guess.

 Best,
 Rich in ATL

 On Mon, Nov 13, 2023 at 11:02 AM Kim H.  wrote:

> 52cm CLEM "L"
>
> This one has been abused. I have never seen a Rivendell bicycle with 
> so many scratches. YIKES !
>
>
> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/bik/d/san-francisco-rivendell-clem-smith-52cm/7686881119.html
>
> Kim Hetzel.
>
> On Friday, November 10, 2023 at 10:40:56 AM UTC-8 Eric Marth wrote:
>
>> Good catch, Reeb! Seemed too good to be true, I deleted my post :o) 
>>
>> On Thursday, November 9, 2023 at 9:54:21 PM UTC-5 Ryan Ray wrote:
>>
>>> Here is my Bleriot for sale on CL in Seattle or I will pay my LBS 
>>> 150 bucks to box it up right. I bought a bigger Homer instead!
>>>
>>>
>>> https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/bik/d/seattle-61cm-rivendell-bleriot/7683878809.html
>>>
>>> On Thursday, November 9, 2023 at 1:48:24 PM UTC-8 reeb wrote:
>>>
 could be a scam. same photos from a chicago seller: 
 https://www.ebay.com/itm/155871116274?hash=item244aa47bf2:g:Gg4AAOSwQglk~fZ4

 On Thursday, November 9, 2023 at 4:41:01 PM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> [image: Screenshot 2023-11-09 at 4.32.02 PM copy.jpg]
>
> Clem H
> 52cm
> $741
> New Jersey
> https://www.mercari.com/us/item/m80573702381
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[RBW] Re: mounting a light to Nitto 32F

[Mr. Ray]

I have my Edelux mounted the same way and the Wald rail rubbed off a bit of 
aluminum at the top of the light even with a few millimeters of clearance.  
I ended up bending the interfering rail upwards for more clearance.  This 
worked but the cosmetic damage is done.  If I were to do it again, I would 
buy the hanging Edelux or use this Tanaka basket mount:  

https://www.somafabshop.com/shop/320707-tanaka-dynamo-light-mount-for-basket-ii-6544?page=3=950#attr=



  

   

On Sunday, November 26, 2023 at 8:07:49 PM UTC-5 Paul Richardson wrote:

> howdy folks
>
> i have a nitto 32f 
> 
>  rack 
> with a wald basket, and i'm trying to figure out the best way to mount an 
> edelux to it.  (the light is an upright mount, not a hanging mount).
>
> i bought the nitto lamp holder, not realizing that its intended use seems 
> oriented toward a rack with actual struts, as opposed to the 32f which is a 
> single piece and thus cannot use the strut mount.  i've got it bolted onto 
> one of the braze-on mounts, but the clearance is quite bad and i don't like 
> it.  i also tried it on a b+m light mount that i zip-tied to the rack, but 
> that left me wanting both aesthetically and functionally.  hoping the pics 
> help this make sense.  
>
> i'd welcome any input on mounting ideas.
>
> thanks!
> paul
> takoma park, md.
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: A Homer Hill build....

[Jason Fuller]

You bring up a good point Ted about so-called redundant gears, which is
something many cyclists try to eliminate as much as possible to their own
practical detriment. It's better to approach planning a drivetrain by
identifying how low you want your low gear to be, how high you want your
high gear to be, and then finding the most user-friendly combination to get
there. A big issue with wide-range doubles is that you'll find that you
need to drop into the small ring for every hill, whereas if you have a
triple, you can generally stay in the middle ring most of the time and save
a lot of front shifts, even though you have more rings up there.

For me, I find I don't need anything above about 95 gear inches - above
that and I'm going to coast, maybe tuck in and get aero. Maybe 100 tops. On
the low end, if it's used off-road or to carry loads I'll want something in
the 18-20 gear inch range, but if it's a roadish bike, 24-25 inches is
good. So what I tend to do is run a double but size the rings such that I
truncate the big gears I'll almost never use, so that I can run a big ring
on the double that I can stay in on gentle climbs. 40/28 to 11-34 is a
great combo, for instance. Even 38/26 to 11-28 to get some smaller steps on
the back, and 38-11 is a big enough top gear for most situations

On Sun, Nov 26, 2023 at 1:45 PM Ted Durant  wrote:

> On Sunday, November 26, 2023 at 12:34:51 PM UTC-6 Jason Fuller wrote:
>
> I would echo that triples are pretty nice - not only do you get more
> range, but the 10-tooth jumps in the front are a lot less 'disruptive' if
> you know what I mean. I find the smaller chainring jump means that when I
> hit the base of a hill I can often just drop a chainring and leave the rear
> alone, and it is a natural gear reduction .. whereas on the wide-low
> double, you would be spinning like crazy if you tried the same thing
>
>
> Excellent point, and one that launches me into bike nerd mode... apologies
> in advance if this is too much.
>
> The "standard" chainring gap became 16 teeth when "compact double" 50x34
> combos became all the rage. That's a 39% jump, the way I measure it
> (Ln(50/34)), or about 2.5 times the 15.4% jump from 18 to 21 in back. Now,
> if you keep that 16 tooth gap but go down to 40x24, that's a ginormous 51%
> jump, which is 3.3x the 18-21 jump. I have a 42x26 on my Waterford ST-22,
> and it's definitely jarring to drop to the small ring when you hit a hill,
> requiring a bit of advance planning to shift a cog harder in the rear,
> first. I spent plenty of time riding half-step gearing, so I'm facile with
> double-shifting, but after a couple hundred kms I'm too tired for that. For
> my Breadwinner G-Road I went with 44x32, which is a gentle 32% jump. It
> means there's more overlap in the gearing, or to put it another way, I'm
> not maximizing the total range of the system, but I very much prefer to
> make that trade-off. At 41%, the 14-tooth gap on the Silver 42x28's on my
> Sams is pretty much the outer limit for me. The Wide-Low (38x24) is a 46%
> jump which is pretty high.
>
> Ted Durant
> Milwaukee, WI USA
>
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[RBW] Re: WTB: parts for Proteus project road bike

[Jim M.]

If you want racy, I have a very nice set of Mavic tubular wheels on Dura 
Ace hubs that I used to use for Eroica. I believe the rear is about 125, 
but if you're interested, I'll go measure.

cheers
jim m
walnut creek

On Thursday, November 23, 2023 at 4:20:37 PM UTC-8 Lesli Larson wrote:

>
> I just purchased a lovely, steel, 48 cm Proteus road frame  from on eBay. 
>  I'm planning to build it up as a fenderless, sporty road bike for day 
> riding (in lieu of re-retrofitting my original Rivendell custom back into 
> road duty after a conversion into more of a porteur). 
>
> I have a lovely TA crank for the bike plus brake levers and bars. 
>
> I'm in search of a 700c/650b wheelset that works for 120-125 spacing, 
> front and rear derailleurs, and long reach or rim brakes.
>
> If you have nice parts at home in need of a new home, let me know. I'd 
> rather shop from this group than hunt and peck on eBay.
>
> Best,
>
> Lesli Larson
> Eugene, Oregon
>
>
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[RBW] Re: A Homer Hill build....

[Ted Durant]

On Sunday, November 26, 2023 at 12:34:51 PM UTC-6 Jason Fuller wrote:

I would echo that triples are pretty nice - not only do you get more range, 
but the 10-tooth jumps in the front are a lot less 'disruptive' if you know 
what I mean. I find the smaller chainring jump means that when I hit the 
base of a hill I can often just drop a chainring and leave the rear alone, 
and it is a natural gear reduction .. whereas on the wide-low double, you 
would be spinning like crazy if you tried the same thing


Excellent point, and one that launches me into bike nerd mode... apologies 
in advance if this is too much.

The "standard" chainring gap became 16 teeth when "compact double" 50x34 
combos became all the rage. That's a 39% jump, the way I measure it 
(Ln(50/34)), or about 2.5 times the 15.4% jump from 18 to 21 in back. Now, 
if you keep that 16 tooth gap but go down to 40x24, that's a ginormous 51% 
jump, which is 3.3x the 18-21 jump. I have a 42x26 on my Waterford ST-22, 
and it's definitely jarring to drop to the small ring when you hit a hill, 
requiring a bit of advance planning to shift a cog harder in the rear, 
first. I spent plenty of time riding half-step gearing, so I'm facile with 
double-shifting, but after a couple hundred kms I'm too tired for that. For 
my Breadwinner G-Road I went with 44x32, which is a gentle 32% jump. It 
means there's more overlap in the gearing, or to put it another way, I'm 
not maximizing the total range of the system, but I very much prefer to 
make that trade-off. At 41%, the 14-tooth gap on the Silver 42x28's on my 
Sams is pretty much the outer limit for me. The Wide-Low (38x24) is a 46% 
jump which is pretty high.

Ted Durant
Milwaukee, WI USA


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[RBW] Re: FS: Stick-pack and other bags/clothes

[Esteban]

Rapha Commuter rain jacket SOLD.

FYI that Swrve jackeet is unobtanium - they made a gold and a navy version 
in their old Downown LA workshop. Diagonal zip. 

On Sunday, November 26, 2023 at 11:33:29 AM UTC-8 Esteban wrote:

> Sackville Stic-pack SOLD.
>
> Remaining items with new Sell-Stuff Sunday special price reduction:
>
> - Oveja Negra “Lunchbox" in high-vis orange, as new, $40 shipped
>
> - Oveja Negra “Front End Loader”in black, unused, $40 shipped
>
> - Swift “Sitka" hip/cross-body pack, like new, $35 shipped
>
> - SWRVE MUSA gold windbreaker L, lots of use, great shape, $45 shipped
>
> On Sunday, November 26, 2023 at 9:20:20 AM UTC-8 Esteban wrote:
>
>> Rapha City Rain jacket SOLD
>>
>> On Saturday, November 25, 2023 at 2:27:24 PM UTC-8 Esteban wrote:
>>
>>> FS:
>>> - Sackville "Stick-pack” from 2014 mint condition used once on a work 
>>> trip. Red wool felt straps. $150 shipped. 
>>>
>>> - Oveja Negra “Lunchbox" in high-vis orange, as new, $45 shipped
>>>
>>> - Oveja Negra “Front End Loader”in black, unused, $45 shipped
>>>
>>> - Swift “Sitka" hip/cross-body pack, like new, $40 shipped
>>>
>>> - SWRVE MUSA gold windbreaker L, lots of use, great shape, $50 shipped
>>>
>>> - Rapha “City" rain jacket L, used on 2 or 3 brevets (including 2019 
>>> Healdsburg 300K), great shape, $65 shipped
>>> https://road.cc/content/review/50916-rapha-city-rain-jacket
>>>
>>> I also have a Rapha XL wind jacket in royal blue, new “Commuter" rain 
>>> jacket  and black cotton city trousers 34x34 if interested... shipping for 
>>> lower 48. 
>>>
>>> Esteban 
>>> San Diego, Calif.
>>>
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[RBW] Re: is it blasphemous to ask how you think a Roadini would compare to a Crust Malocchio?

[eddietheflay]

I ended up buying a 59cm Malocchio. I chose mythological light weight over 
build aesthetics. Due to old neck bones I need bars above saddle and with 
the Crust's short headtube I require lots of quill. I found a filleted 
Nitto Faceplater that is a thing of beauty and gets the bars exactly where 
I need them...but alas not as aesthetically pleasing as let's say the 
geometry of a Roadini might offer. That being said I may be experiencing 
new bike-itis but a swear the Crust rides really really nicely. Shod with 
35mm Panaracer Slicks the ride just seems light and springy. Granted, no 
science here but I have owned more than my fair share of bikes (70) over 
the last 20 years and the Crust appears to be a good one.

I'd like to see a Columbus Spirit tubed frameset just like the Malocchio 
with tigs, slanted top tube, threaded fork, and a nice powder coat at a 
reasonable price. Kinda like a BMW 2002 from the olden days.

On Wednesday, October 11, 2023 at 3:25:36 PM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> Weight Weenie update.  A frame set on my wish list for future fun builds 
> included a classic Vitus 979.  
>
> I had one as a teenager and did a pretty aggressive weight weenie build on 
> it.  One of the weight weenie maneuvers was to run the smallest frame size 
> I could conceivably ride, and that made the bike not very fun to ride, so I 
> barely rode it.  The Vitus 979 size was a "54".  That was more like 55.5 cm 
> center to top.  
>
> A few years later while working at Missing Link we got a Vitus Carbone in 
> on trade in.  I scooped up the bike, sold off most of the vintage parts on 
> a new secondhand sales platform in 1999 called ebay.  I then did a weight 
> weenie commuter build on it, and had it a hair under 14.5 pounds.  I 
> commuted on that bike a lot and it was tons of fun.  I can't remember how 
> exactly it left my possession.  
>
> I just picked up a 979 in a more grown up "58" which should fit me like an 
> adult bike should.  For fun I weighed it, and the frame is 1532g (3.38 lbs) 
> and the fork is 531g (1.17 lbs).  That's 4.55 lbs frame + fork.  We'll see 
> what kind of build I can pull together on this platform.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Wednesday, October 11, 2023 at 10:52:34 AM UTC-7 Tim Tetrault wrote:
>
>> I enjoy Bill's thoughts especially here; everyone is a "weight weenie" 
>> (or should feel free to be) in their own way.
>>
>> I have a Sam H., it's on the heavy side, but I'd love to swap out for 
>> some Paselas (vs. Marathons) and a lighter carry-along lock (I have an Abus 
>> Bordo) just to see how the fun factor changes. 
>>
>> Tim
>>
>> On Tuesday, October 10, 2023 at 2:39:05 PM UTC-7 pi...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Tire size should be the determining factor. If you don't need anything 
>>> more than 35mm on the rear the lighter bike is better. I'm a big fan of low 
>>> BBs, and the 700c version of the Malocchio fits the bill, but I think I'd 
>>> be unhappy about not being able to run 700x40mm Terra Speeds, so overall 
>>> I'm happy I went with the Roadini.
>>>
>>> I'm also bothered by the non-matching front and rear brakes --- it's 
>>> clear that they screwed up on the manufacturing on the Malocchio, which 
>>> also means that I'm not so sure I'd trust them on the rest of the bike 
>>> being to spec. Then again, the slipping seatpost on the Roadini bothers me 
>>> too --- nobody's perfect.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, October 10, 2023 at 12:27:08 PM UTC-7 eddietheflay wrote:
>>>
 Seems the Crust would be more road racy and the Riv more long, relaxed 
 and multi purpose. I know we're not supposed to talk about weight but I 
 can't help wondering if there's much difference one vs the other. Just 
 wondering.
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] FS: 2019 Rivendell 59cm (lime olive) Clem Smith Jr. "L"

[Kim H.]

I am third owner.. The frame, fork componentry and wheel set are in 
excellent condition.. Never crashed.  Mechanically, the drive train, 
shifters, and brakes work perfectly. The bike has been well taken care of 
and maintained. No structural damage or dents whatsoever. This trail bike 
 is a very solid and fun to ride both on or off road. 

The only reason why I am selling it is because the 59cm frame is too large 
for me to handle. 

The bike has 2x9 gearing

The parts are mostly all stock.

Headset: FSA Duron 1”threaded
Handlebar: Nitto Torso 55mm
Stem: Nitto Tallux 10mm
Saddle: Rivendell new saddle
Saddle pillar: Ritchey - 27.2mm with shim
Crank set: 173mm SILVER double – 34/24T
Pedals: VP plastic
Shifters: SunRace friction front/ Shimano Acera trigger for the rear
Front Derailleur: Microshift
Rear Derailleur: SunRace M90 long cage
Cassette: SunRace 11-34T
Chain: KMC
Brakes and Brake Levers: 837AL V-Brakes and TekTro MT 3.0
Rims: Alex DM24 Rim / Novatech Hubs
Tires: Schwalbe Rapid Rob – 700C x 2.25mm – clincher

$2000.00, shipped or $1800.00 for local pickup. If you were to buy it 
locally from me, you would save $399.85 compared to what Rivendell Bicycle 
Works would charge you in taxes and shipping. 
Paypal payment via BikeFlights.

I live outside of the state capital of Olympia, Washington State.

Feel free to message/email me for your interests or questions.

Kim Hetzel.

more pictures here: https://photos.app.goo.gl/qSG4UUVpmkvCJUE7A

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[RBW] Re: FS: Stick-pack and other bags/clothes

[Esteban]

Sackville Stic-pack SOLD.

Remaining items with new Sell-Stuff Sunday special price reduction:

- Oveja Negra “Lunchbox" in high-vis orange, as new, $40 shipped

- Oveja Negra “Front End Loader”in black, unused, $40 shipped

- Swift “Sitka" hip/cross-body pack, like new, $35 shipped

- SWRVE MUSA gold windbreaker L, lots of use, great shape, $45 shipped

On Sunday, November 26, 2023 at 9:20:20 AM UTC-8 Esteban wrote:

> Rapha City Rain jacket SOLD
>
> On Saturday, November 25, 2023 at 2:27:24 PM UTC-8 Esteban wrote:
>
>> FS:
>> - Sackville "Stick-pack” from 2014 mint condition used once on a work 
>> trip. Red wool felt straps. $150 shipped. 
>>
>> - Oveja Negra “Lunchbox" in high-vis orange, as new, $45 shipped
>>
>> - Oveja Negra “Front End Loader”in black, unused, $45 shipped
>>
>> - Swift “Sitka" hip/cross-body pack, like new, $40 shipped
>>
>> - SWRVE MUSA gold windbreaker L, lots of use, great shape, $50 shipped
>>
>> - Rapha “City" rain jacket L, used on 2 or 3 brevets (including 2019 
>> Healdsburg 300K), great shape, $65 shipped
>> https://road.cc/content/review/50916-rapha-city-rain-jacket
>>
>> I also have a Rapha XL wind jacket in royal blue, new “Commuter" rain 
>> jacket  and black cotton city trousers 34x34 if interested... shipping for 
>> lower 48. 
>>
>> Esteban 
>> San Diego, Calif.
>>
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[RBW] Re: A Homer Hill build....

[Sarah Carlson]

Yes, those big ring jumps along with my learning how to shift effectively 
lead to some Ca- CHONK moments. Also I did index shifting for my rear 
gears, and friction in the front and I am learning how to do that 
gracefully. And I think I will be doing all index next time because it's 
less ca-chonky. But that probably has a lot to do with me and my riding. I 
am very happy on my 34 ring on the Atlantis and find myself longing for it 
on my Platypus rides. But what I'm hearing is if I get a triple I can have 
all my favorite options! 

On Sunday, November 26, 2023 at 10:34:51 AM UTC-8 Jason Fuller wrote:

> This happens to me a lot, where I think I've got my bike quiver dialed 
> perfectly but then my needs change, and riding with new or different groups 
> is a prime example! It's also why my Hillborne keeps bouncing back between 
> drop bars and Albatross bars.  I think the Homer makes perfect sense! 
>
> I'm going to suggest the Choco bar and a long stem, such as 12cm.  The 
> Choco ought to be a great compromise between the Albastache and the 
> Albatross; the 'stache is very forward feeling, much like reaching for the 
> hoods on a drop bar, while the 'tross is very relaxed to the extent it is 
> hard to get a comfortable 'hunched' position when you're climbing or 
> pushing harder.  The Choco has a more natural feeling forward hand position 
> thanks to its bend and flatter profile, but still sweeps back far enough 
> that when you're cruising you don't need to have too much weight on your 
> hands and shoulders.  I would run it with bar end shifters so you get full 
> range of hand positions, and I really like the Paul levers because they are 
> thin enough that I can put my hands such than one or two fingers is in 
> front of the lever as well. 
>
> I would echo that triples are pretty nice - not only do you get more 
> range, but the 10-tooth jumps in the front are a lot less 'disruptive' if 
> you know what I mean. I find the smaller chainring jump means that when I 
> hit the base of a hill I can often just drop a chainring and leave the rear 
> alone, and it is a natural gear reduction .. whereas on the wide-low 
> double, you would be spinning like crazy if you tried the same thing
>
> Other than that, lightweight wheels (A23's are great!) and tires (ie 
> anything Rene Herse, but lots of other options too) and just avoiding 
> putting unnecessary accessories on the bike will keep it pretty light. I 
> love this whole plan! 
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sunday, 26 November 2023 at 08:29:37 UTC-8 sarahlik...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> And it was a beginner ride with a avg 12 mile posted pace. I almost told 
>> him i hoped I hadn't held him back from making a personal best time on that 
>> ride!
>>
>> My other bikes are set up perfect for what I do, so no stripping! 
>> Although I might have to consider that myself to bring in money for my bike 
>> habit.
>>
>> On Sunday, November 26, 2023 at 7:45:47 AM UTC-8 Ted Durant wrote:
>>
>>> On Sunday, November 26, 2023 at 9:25:01 AM UTC-6 sarahlik...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> You always need a Hilly Bike... Do it!
>>>
>>> A list full of enablers :-)
>>>  
>>>
>>> I had an injury (shoulder) last year and had what I would call total 
>>> fitness depletion so I have been building back up from what feels like 
>>> zero. 
>>>
>>> I'm very sympathetic to that.  I've had a bunch of weird stuff happen 
>>> over the last few years, including a drug that started killing my red blood 
>>> cells, so I have felt like I've had to restart the engine a few times. That 
>>> might be one reason why my bikes are all set up the same way ... trying to 
>>> stick with what works in terms of positioning, while I get the other things 
>>> going.
>>>  
>>>
>>>  So while I figure that out I'm open to seeing what a lighter built up 
>>> bike can do. 
>>>
>>> Far be it for me not to be the enabler of buying another Riv, but have 
>>> you considered stripping down one of your existing bikes and trying some 
>>> nice, light tires? In my experience, tires make by far and away the biggest 
>>> difference to how a bike feels, and if you've dialed in a good riding 
>>> position, you could start there (and maybe a wider range set of gears in 
>>> back). Removing a rear rack can also remove some stiffness from the rear of 
>>> the bike, but I don't know how many people would feel that difference, 
>>> especially on a bike that's already fairly stout and on cushy tires.
>>>
>>> with exception to the guy who led the first beginner ride I went on, 
>>> looked at my bike and stated, "I hope I can ride slow enough..." 
>>>
>>>
>>> Hoo boy, just the kind of person you want leading a group ride...  one 
>>> of the reasons I stopped going on group rides.
>>>
>>> Ted Durant
>>> Milwaukee, WI USA
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: A Homer Hill build....

[Sarah Carlson]

So this is where I run into my issue... When I'm uphill I want an easier 
gear because I feel myself pushing hard and I feel it in my knees, and then 
on the long downhills I feel ungrounded spinning through nothing for a long 
time. So maybe a triple is the answer! On my Atlantis I find I'm riding on 
the 34 ring a lot and can do pretty much what I need to for most of my 
riding on that one... but I have not exactly been taking that one up lots 
of hills.

On Sunday, November 26, 2023 at 10:32:17 AM UTC-8 Greg J wrote:

> On the topic of gearing, I recently went from a wide range double to a 
> triple and find it to be an improvement in one important way.  On the 
> double I had the total range I needed (46-30 front, 12-30 or so, generally 
> enough for most east bay hills).  But I found that I was cross-chaining on 
> the gears that I find myself in most often (those gears were mostly in the 
> big-big range or small-small range).  I converted to a triple with a 40 
> chaining up front (48-40-28), and my favorite cruising gears are now in the 
> middle of the sprocket (I’m guessing 16-20 range) on the 40t chainring. 
>
> All this to say, next time you’re on the hilly type of ride that you want 
> this new bike for (on your current bike), think about what gears you’re in 
> and how you might want to change them.  Do you want a lower low end? 
>  Higher high?  And what is the middle gear range that you find yourself 
> riding most of the time?  That could help make your decision on a triple 
> (which, as you know, is a little heavier and a little more complicated due 
> to having to shift across 3 rather than 2 chainrings, both in the mechansm 
> and in your riding habit).
>
> Greg
>
> On Sunday, November 26, 2023 at 8:29:37 AM UTC-8 sarahlik...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> And it was a beginner ride with a avg 12 mile posted pace. I almost told 
>> him i hoped I hadn't held him back from making a personal best time on that 
>> ride!
>>
>> My other bikes are set up perfect for what I do, so no stripping! 
>> Although I might have to consider that myself to bring in money for my bike 
>> habit.
>>
>> On Sunday, November 26, 2023 at 7:45:47 AM UTC-8 Ted Durant wrote:
>>
>>> On Sunday, November 26, 2023 at 9:25:01 AM UTC-6 sarahlik...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> You always need a Hilly Bike... Do it!
>>>
>>> A list full of enablers :-)
>>>  
>>>
>>> I had an injury (shoulder) last year and had what I would call total 
>>> fitness depletion so I have been building back up from what feels like 
>>> zero. 
>>>
>>> I'm very sympathetic to that.  I've had a bunch of weird stuff happen 
>>> over the last few years, including a drug that started killing my red blood 
>>> cells, so I have felt like I've had to restart the engine a few times. That 
>>> might be one reason why my bikes are all set up the same way ... trying to 
>>> stick with what works in terms of positioning, while I get the other things 
>>> going.
>>>  
>>>
>>>  So while I figure that out I'm open to seeing what a lighter built up 
>>> bike can do. 
>>>
>>> Far be it for me not to be the enabler of buying another Riv, but have 
>>> you considered stripping down one of your existing bikes and trying some 
>>> nice, light tires? In my experience, tires make by far and away the biggest 
>>> difference to how a bike feels, and if you've dialed in a good riding 
>>> position, you could start there (and maybe a wider range set of gears in 
>>> back). Removing a rear rack can also remove some stiffness from the rear of 
>>> the bike, but I don't know how many people would feel that difference, 
>>> especially on a bike that's already fairly stout and on cushy tires.
>>>
>>> with exception to the guy who led the first beginner ride I went on, 
>>> looked at my bike and stated, "I hope I can ride slow enough..." 
>>>
>>>
>>> Hoo boy, just the kind of person you want leading a group ride...  one 
>>> of the reasons I stopped going on group rides.
>>>
>>> Ted Durant
>>> Milwaukee, WI USA
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: A Homer Hill build....

[Jason Fuller]

This happens to me a lot, where I think I've got my bike quiver dialed 
perfectly but then my needs change, and riding with new or different groups 
is a prime example! It's also why my Hillborne keeps bouncing back between 
drop bars and Albatross bars.  I think the Homer makes perfect sense! 

I'm going to suggest the Choco bar and a long stem, such as 12cm.  The 
Choco ought to be a great compromise between the Albastache and the 
Albatross; the 'stache is very forward feeling, much like reaching for the 
hoods on a drop bar, while the 'tross is very relaxed to the extent it is 
hard to get a comfortable 'hunched' position when you're climbing or 
pushing harder.  The Choco has a more natural feeling forward hand position 
thanks to its bend and flatter profile, but still sweeps back far enough 
that when you're cruising you don't need to have too much weight on your 
hands and shoulders.  I would run it with bar end shifters so you get full 
range of hand positions, and I really like the Paul levers because they are 
thin enough that I can put my hands such than one or two fingers is in 
front of the lever as well. 

I would echo that triples are pretty nice - not only do you get more range, 
but the 10-tooth jumps in the front are a lot less 'disruptive' if you know 
what I mean. I find the smaller chainring jump means that when I hit the 
base of a hill I can often just drop a chainring and leave the rear alone, 
and it is a natural gear reduction .. whereas on the wide-low double, you 
would be spinning like crazy if you tried the same thing

Other than that, lightweight wheels (A23's are great!) and tires (ie 
anything Rene Herse, but lots of other options too) and just avoiding 
putting unnecessary accessories on the bike will keep it pretty light. I 
love this whole plan! 





On Sunday, 26 November 2023 at 08:29:37 UTC-8 sarahlik...@gmail.com wrote:

> And it was a beginner ride with a avg 12 mile posted pace. I almost told 
> him i hoped I hadn't held him back from making a personal best time on that 
> ride!
>
> My other bikes are set up perfect for what I do, so no stripping! Although 
> I might have to consider that myself to bring in money for my bike habit.
>
> On Sunday, November 26, 2023 at 7:45:47 AM UTC-8 Ted Durant wrote:
>
>> On Sunday, November 26, 2023 at 9:25:01 AM UTC-6 sarahlik...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>> You always need a Hilly Bike... Do it!
>>
>> A list full of enablers :-)
>>  
>>
>> I had an injury (shoulder) last year and had what I would call total 
>> fitness depletion so I have been building back up from what feels like 
>> zero. 
>>
>> I'm very sympathetic to that.  I've had a bunch of weird stuff happen 
>> over the last few years, including a drug that started killing my red blood 
>> cells, so I have felt like I've had to restart the engine a few times. That 
>> might be one reason why my bikes are all set up the same way ... trying to 
>> stick with what works in terms of positioning, while I get the other things 
>> going.
>>  
>>
>>  So while I figure that out I'm open to seeing what a lighter built up 
>> bike can do. 
>>
>> Far be it for me not to be the enabler of buying another Riv, but have 
>> you considered stripping down one of your existing bikes and trying some 
>> nice, light tires? In my experience, tires make by far and away the biggest 
>> difference to how a bike feels, and if you've dialed in a good riding 
>> position, you could start there (and maybe a wider range set of gears in 
>> back). Removing a rear rack can also remove some stiffness from the rear of 
>> the bike, but I don't know how many people would feel that difference, 
>> especially on a bike that's already fairly stout and on cushy tires.
>>
>> with exception to the guy who led the first beginner ride I went on, 
>> looked at my bike and stated, "I hope I can ride slow enough..." 
>>
>>
>> Hoo boy, just the kind of person you want leading a group ride...  one of 
>> the reasons I stopped going on group rides.
>>
>> Ted Durant
>> Milwaukee, WI USA
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: A Homer Hill build....

[Greg J]

On the topic of gearing, I recently went from a wide range double to a 
triple and find it to be an improvement in one important way.  On the 
double I had the total range I needed (46-30 front, 12-30 or so, generally 
enough for most east bay hills).  But I found that I was cross-chaining on 
the gears that I find myself in most often (those gears were mostly in the 
big-big range or small-small range).  I converted to a triple with a 40 
chaining up front (48-40-28), and my favorite cruising gears are now in the 
middle of the sprocket (I’m guessing 16-20 range) on the 40t chainring. 

All this to say, next time you’re on the hilly type of ride that you want 
this new bike for (on your current bike), think about what gears you’re in 
and how you might want to change them.  Do you want a lower low end? 
 Higher high?  And what is the middle gear range that you find yourself 
riding most of the time?  That could help make your decision on a triple 
(which, as you know, is a little heavier and a little more complicated due 
to having to shift across 3 rather than 2 chainrings, both in the mechansm 
and in your riding habit).

Greg

On Sunday, November 26, 2023 at 8:29:37 AM UTC-8 sarahlik...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> And it was a beginner ride with a avg 12 mile posted pace. I almost told 
> him i hoped I hadn't held him back from making a personal best time on that 
> ride!
>
> My other bikes are set up perfect for what I do, so no stripping! Although 
> I might have to consider that myself to bring in money for my bike habit.
>
> On Sunday, November 26, 2023 at 7:45:47 AM UTC-8 Ted Durant wrote:
>
>> On Sunday, November 26, 2023 at 9:25:01 AM UTC-6 sarahlik...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>> You always need a Hilly Bike... Do it!
>>
>> A list full of enablers :-)
>>  
>>
>> I had an injury (shoulder) last year and had what I would call total 
>> fitness depletion so I have been building back up from what feels like 
>> zero. 
>>
>> I'm very sympathetic to that.  I've had a bunch of weird stuff happen 
>> over the last few years, including a drug that started killing my red blood 
>> cells, so I have felt like I've had to restart the engine a few times. That 
>> might be one reason why my bikes are all set up the same way ... trying to 
>> stick with what works in terms of positioning, while I get the other things 
>> going.
>>  
>>
>>  So while I figure that out I'm open to seeing what a lighter built up 
>> bike can do. 
>>
>> Far be it for me not to be the enabler of buying another Riv, but have 
>> you considered stripping down one of your existing bikes and trying some 
>> nice, light tires? In my experience, tires make by far and away the biggest 
>> difference to how a bike feels, and if you've dialed in a good riding 
>> position, you could start there (and maybe a wider range set of gears in 
>> back). Removing a rear rack can also remove some stiffness from the rear of 
>> the bike, but I don't know how many people would feel that difference, 
>> especially on a bike that's already fairly stout and on cushy tires.
>>
>> with exception to the guy who led the first beginner ride I went on, 
>> looked at my bike and stated, "I hope I can ride slow enough..." 
>>
>>
>> Hoo boy, just the kind of person you want leading a group ride...  one of 
>> the reasons I stopped going on group rides.
>>
>> Ted Durant
>> Milwaukee, WI USA
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Craigslist, etc 2023

[James Tensuan]

Cheviot
55cm
2200
Petaluma, CA

https://sfbay.craigslist.org/nby/bik/d/petaluma-rivendell-cheviot/7691310183.html

On Wednesday, November 22, 2023 at 5:37:33 PM UTC-8 Matthew Williams wrote:

> Roadini
> 54cm
> 1600
> Napa, CA
>
> [image: 01414_2VDy2V8dlNB_0ak07K_600x450.jpg]
>
> Black Friday Special - Rivendell Roadini, 54cm - bicycles - by owner - 
> bike sale - craigslist 
> 
> sfbay.craigslist.org 
> 
>
> 
>

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[RBW] Re: Newer Sam Hillborne/Toyo Atlantis crossover

[exliontamer]

Thanks for the insights. I have a potential trade for another frame I have 
but I have a feeling they'd be too similar outside of the slightly lighter 
tubing. 
On Saturday, November 25, 2023 at 8:00:55 PM UTC-6 Joe Bernard wrote:

> The difference would be tubing. Hillborne is a "country bike" not intended 
> to carry touring loads or bomb around on gnarly trails. Atlantis (that's 
> one the I owned) is a beefy frame which will take just about anything you 
> can throw at it. 
>
> On Saturday, November 25, 2023 at 5:29:30 PM UTC-8 brycel...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> If you compare the two bikes on bike insights, they're almost identical 
>> except the new Sams have more stack.
>>
>> On Saturday, November 25, 2023 at 12:36:39 PM UTC-5 exliontamer wrote:
>>
>>> Just curious if anyone has any real world experience with both of these 
>>> bikes, and if so, how similar they feel & ride (aside from obvious 
>>> differences like tire clearance). I have a 61 Atlantis and am looking at a 
>>> 60 Hillborne. Thanks!
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Stick-pack and other bags/clothes

[Esteban]

Rapha City Rain jacket SOLD

On Saturday, November 25, 2023 at 2:27:24 PM UTC-8 Esteban wrote:

> FS:
> - Sackville "Stick-pack” from 2014 mint condition used once on a work 
> trip. Red wool felt straps. $150 shipped. 
>
> - Oveja Negra “Lunchbox" in high-vis orange, as new, $45 shipped
>
> - Oveja Negra “Front End Loader”in black, unused, $45 shipped
>
> - Swift “Sitka" hip/cross-body pack, like new, $40 shipped
>
> - SWRVE MUSA gold windbreaker L, lots of use, great shape, $50 shipped
>
> - Rapha “City" rain jacket L, used on 2 or 3 brevets (including 2019 
> Healdsburg 300K), great shape, $65 shipped
> https://road.cc/content/review/50916-rapha-city-rain-jacket
>
> I also have a Rapha XL wind jacket in royal blue, new “Commuter" rain 
> jacket  and black cotton city trousers 34x34 if interested... shipping for 
> lower 48. 
>
> Esteban 
> San Diego, Calif.
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Anna Purple

[Leah Peterson]

Allegedly - I think the shipment is held up getting seated by the FBI! And of course I won’t be able to ride/enjoy the bike until spring. So, whenever it gets here, I guess.Sent from my iPhoneOn Nov 26, 2023, at 11:44 AM, Ryan  wrote:So I take it the 50 purple Is on its wayOn Sunday, November 26, 2023 at 8:59:53 AM UTC-6 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:I have been wanting to try a 50 cm Platypus. Not that I would part with my 55 Platys, but I can’t take them traveling, and I have some rides in mind for the coming year that would be made possible if I could get my bike on a train. Well, I am technically in PBH range for a 50 Platy, and my RivSisters tell me they can get theirs on buses and trains in the 50 size.So, I dispatched RivSister Sarah (of Primrose Platy fame) to HQ to tell me how a 50 would ride, since we are the exact same PBH and nearly the same height. She came back with rave reports about the bike and so I had a decision to make. I was hesitant about the purple. Purple has not made my top list of favorite colors. I thought I should go Sergio Green, but I have a mermaid Platypus already. If I’m going to have 3 of the same model, I do want them to look and feel a little different from each other. 2 greens - no.In the end, I selected the purple. It is fun. I am typing this to you on my flight home from NYC, where purple is all the rage, currently. I have a newfound admiration for purple. My parts will be pulled from my shimmery blue Clem, a wild concoction of jewel toned parts, and slapped on that bold purple for a truly one-of-a-kind look. The wilder, the better. And why not. WHY NOT. Sending this now, before the plane takes off and I lose my internet!On Nov 22, 2023, at 9:25 PM, 'Bikie#4646' via RBW Owners Bunch  wrote:Bill Lindsay, would you stop parading that "smoke" purple Legolas in front of me? Trying to make me jealous? (Kidding aside, there could not be a nicer looking bike, IMHO.)Paul GermainMidlothian, Va.On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 2:57:09 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:My purple Rivendell is pretty different from most other purple Rivendells.  I was going for a "mineral purple" and the name of the shade is Amethyst Smoke.  https://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/51310826119/in/photolist-26anPuR-2iHBJM3-2iHDjYZ-2mbaoXRBill "smoke 'em if you got 'em" LindsayEl Cerrito, CAOn Friday, November 17, 2023 at 6:34:41 AM UTC-8 Tim Bantham wrote:Curious what folks think of the Riv frames in purple. I personally am on the fence. I keep looking at it and can't decide if I would like it or not. I would be perfectly fine with any of the other Riv colors but the purple is a bit polarizing to me. Of course I am betting it looks great in person. Thoughts? 



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Re: [RBW] Re: Anna Purple

[Ryan]

So I take it the 50 purple Is on its way

On Sunday, November 26, 2023 at 8:59:53 AM UTC-6 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> I have been wanting to try a 50 cm Platypus. Not that I would part with my 
> 55 Platys, but I can’t take them traveling, and I have some rides in mind 
> for the coming year that would be made possible if I could get my bike on a 
> train. Well, I am technically in PBH range for a 50 Platy, and my 
> RivSisters tell me they can get theirs on buses and trains in the 50 size.
>
> So, I dispatched RivSister Sarah (of Primrose Platy fame) to HQ to tell me 
> how a 50 would ride, since we are the exact same PBH and nearly the same 
> height. She came back with rave reports about the bike and so I had a 
> decision to make. 
>
> I was hesitant about the purple. Purple has not made my top list of 
> favorite colors. I thought I should go Sergio Green, but I have a mermaid 
> Platypus already. If I’m going to have 3 of the same model, I do want them 
> to look and feel a little different from each other. 2 greens - no.
>
> In the end, I selected the purple. It is fun. I am typing this to you on 
> my flight home from NYC, where purple is all the rage, currently. I have a 
> newfound admiration for purple. My parts will be pulled from my shimmery 
> blue Clem, a wild concoction of jewel toned parts, and slapped on that bold 
> purple for a truly one-of-a-kind look. The wilder, the better. And why not. 
> WHY NOT. 
>
> Sending this now, before the plane takes off and I lose my internet!
> [image: image0.jpeg]
>
> On Nov 22, 2023, at 9:25 PM, 'Bikie#4646' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
> Bill Lindsay, would you stop parading that "smoke" purple Legolas in 
> front of me? Trying to make me jealous? (Kidding aside, there could not be 
> a nicer looking bike, IMHO.)
>
>
> Paul Germain
> Midlothian, Va.
>
> On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 2:57:09 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> My purple Rivendell is pretty different from most other purple 
>> Rivendells.  I was going for a "mineral purple" and the name of the shade 
>> is Amethyst Smoke.  
>>
>>
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/51310826119/in/photolist-26anPuR-2iHBJM3-2iHDjYZ-2mbaoXR
>>
>> Bill "smoke 'em if you got 'em" Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 6:34:41 AM UTC-8 Tim Bantham wrote:
>>
>>> Curious what folks think of the Riv frames in purple. I personally am on 
>>> the fence. I keep looking at it and can't decide if I would like it or not. 
>>> I would be perfectly fine with any of the other Riv colors but the purple 
>>> is a bit polarizing to me. Of course I am betting it looks great in person. 
>>> Thoughts? 
>>>
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[RBW] Re: A Homer Hill build....

[Sarah Carlson]

And it was a beginner ride with a avg 12 mile posted pace. I almost told 
him i hoped I hadn't held him back from making a personal best time on that 
ride!

My other bikes are set up perfect for what I do, so no stripping! Although 
I might have to consider that myself to bring in money for my bike habit.

On Sunday, November 26, 2023 at 7:45:47 AM UTC-8 Ted Durant wrote:

> On Sunday, November 26, 2023 at 9:25:01 AM UTC-6 sarahlik...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
> You always need a Hilly Bike... Do it!
>
> A list full of enablers :-)
>  
>
> I had an injury (shoulder) last year and had what I would call total 
> fitness depletion so I have been building back up from what feels like 
> zero. 
>
> I'm very sympathetic to that.  I've had a bunch of weird stuff happen over 
> the last few years, including a drug that started killing my red blood 
> cells, so I have felt like I've had to restart the engine a few times. That 
> might be one reason why my bikes are all set up the same way ... trying to 
> stick with what works in terms of positioning, while I get the other things 
> going.
>  
>
>  So while I figure that out I'm open to seeing what a lighter built up 
> bike can do. 
>
> Far be it for me not to be the enabler of buying another Riv, but have you 
> considered stripping down one of your existing bikes and trying some nice, 
> light tires? In my experience, tires make by far and away the biggest 
> difference to how a bike feels, and if you've dialed in a good riding 
> position, you could start there (and maybe a wider range set of gears in 
> back). Removing a rear rack can also remove some stiffness from the rear of 
> the bike, but I don't know how many people would feel that difference, 
> especially on a bike that's already fairly stout and on cushy tires.
>
> with exception to the guy who led the first beginner ride I went on, 
> looked at my bike and stated, "I hope I can ride slow enough..." 
>
>
> Hoo boy, just the kind of person you want leading a group ride...  one of 
> the reasons I stopped going on group rides.
>
> Ted Durant
> Milwaukee, WI USA
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[RBW] Re: A Homer Hill build....

[Ted Durant]

On Sunday, November 26, 2023 at 9:25:01 AM UTC-6 sarahlik...@gmail.com 
wrote:

You always need a Hilly Bike... Do it!

A list full of enablers :-)
 

I had an injury (shoulder) last year and had what I would call total 
fitness depletion so I have been building back up from what feels like 
zero. 

I'm very sympathetic to that.  I've had a bunch of weird stuff happen over 
the last few years, including a drug that started killing my red blood 
cells, so I have felt like I've had to restart the engine a few times. That 
might be one reason why my bikes are all set up the same way ... trying to 
stick with what works in terms of positioning, while I get the other things 
going.
 

 So while I figure that out I'm open to seeing what a lighter built up bike 
can do. 

Far be it for me not to be the enabler of buying another Riv, but have you 
considered stripping down one of your existing bikes and trying some nice, 
light tires? In my experience, tires make by far and away the biggest 
difference to how a bike feels, and if you've dialed in a good riding 
position, you could start there (and maybe a wider range set of gears in 
back). Removing a rear rack can also remove some stiffness from the rear of 
the bike, but I don't know how many people would feel that difference, 
especially on a bike that's already fairly stout and on cushy tires.

with exception to the guy who led the first beginner ride I went on, looked 
at my bike and stated, "I hope I can ride slow enough..." 


Hoo boy, just the kind of person you want leading a group ride...  one of 
the reasons I stopped going on group rides.

Ted Durant
Milwaukee, WI USA

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[RBW] Re: A Homer Hill build....

[Sarah Carlson]

You always need a Hilly Bike... Do it!

I had an injury (shoulder) last year and had what I would call total 
fitness depletion so I have been building back up from what feels like 
zero. 
The hill situation is just most rides involve some sort of hills, probably 
not big deal hills to people who ride a lot. But to me and where I am 
starting fitness wise I just want to have the best chance possible to keep 
up. I know the engine is thing heaviest thing, but dang I have encountered 
my peri-menopause metabolism and things are just not the same there. So 
while I figure that out I'm open to seeing what a lighter built up bike can 
do. 

So I will also be experimenting with only a handlebar bag instead of a full 
on rack.

I'm trying to encourage one or two of the carbon fiber riders to get a Riv 
so we can try a different type of riding. I am mostly out with the carbon 
fiber/spandex folks who can fit everything into tiny jersey pockets. They 
have been kind and welcoming for the most part, with exception to the guy 
who led the first beginner ride I went on, looked at my bike and stated, "I 
hope I can ride slow enough..." 


On Sunday, November 26, 2023 at 7:07:42 AM UTC-8 Ted Durant wrote:

> On Sunday, November 26, 2023 at 8:35:43 AM UTC-6 sarahlik...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>  I'm just trying to be more conscious about throwing racks and bags and 
> accidentally building every bike into a touring bike
>
>
> This made me laugh ... yeah, my bikes all look pretty much the same, 
> except for the Riv Road with the Campy Daytona group. But, that only looks 
> different because it doesn't have a handlebar bag LOL.
>
> I keep thinking I should mix it up, but I gave a Cheviot an honest try (at 
> least 5 different handlebars, including a Noodle!) and never liked it. 
> After crashing my West Coast Sam coming off Mt Lukens a few weeks ago, I've 
> been wondering if I need a Hillibike for that kind of riding :-) 
>
> Ted Durant
> Milwaukee, WI USA
>

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[RBW] Re: A Homer Hill build....

[Ted Durant]

On Sunday, November 26, 2023 at 8:35:43 AM UTC-6 sarahlik...@gmail.com 
wrote:

 I'm just trying to be more conscious about throwing racks and bags and 
accidentally building every bike into a touring bike


This made me laugh ... yeah, my bikes all look pretty much the same, except 
for the Riv Road with the Campy Daytona group. But, that only looks 
different because it doesn't have a handlebar bag LOL.

I keep thinking I should mix it up, but I gave a Cheviot an honest try (at 
least 5 different handlebars, including a Noodle!) and never liked it. 
After crashing my West Coast Sam coming off Mt Lukens a few weeks ago, I've 
been wondering if I need a Hillibike for that kind of riding :-) 

Ted Durant
Milwaukee, WI USA

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[RBW] Re: A Homer Hill build....

[Ted Durant]

On Saturday, November 25, 2023 at 8:27:06 AM UTC-6 sarahlik...@gmail.com 
wrote:

 so of course I decided to buy A Homer that I would like to build up 
specifically for rides with lots of hills! (To clarify, I am totally happy 
to take my time getting up hills on my Platypus which I have set up with 
racks and bags, fenders... but I like to ride with other people which are 
usually people with traditional road bikes with all the carbon fiber 
things). 


I'd want to hear more about what you mean by "lots of hills" and the kind 
of riders (not just their gear) you are with. You mention in a follow up 
riding up Mt. Diablo, for example. So, that to me says "sustained paved 
climbing at a mostly moderate but sometimes steep grade", unless you went 
to the top, in which case I'd add "sometimes wicked steep". I'd also want 
to hear more about your fitness level or, maybe more specifically, the 
speed at which you and your riding pals like to climb.

I'm a lightweight, not especially strong rider but I like to push myself 
going up hills. I don't often find I need easier than a 1:1 gear; if I do, 
I'm off road on some VERY steep stuff. I don't worry too much about how big 
my biggest gear is, although riding with a good group can mean wanting some 
bigger gears. My general statement is that I'd rather be coasting down a 
hill than walking up it. I've been very happy with the 42x28 Silver cranks 
on my two Sams, with 32 or 34 tooth big cogs in back. I've been surprised 
at how many hills on which I've actually been able to stay on the 42. On 
the other hand,  I have a Rivendell Road with a classic 53x39, 13-26 setup 
for the rare fast group ride. I did a super hilly group century on that 
bike ... it was a fast result, but it had a lot of out-of-saddle grinding 
time.

I am a dedicated handlebar bag user and don't generally carry more gear 
than can fit in one, even for very long rides. Also, I am a big fan of 
Noodle Bars. I have some back issues (a couple of compression fractures) 
but I'm still pretty flexible and find that putting the tops of the bars 
level with the saddle and not too far away gives me the best combination of 
power (what little I have), several riding positions, and long-distance 
comfort.

Ted Durant
Milwaukee, WI USA

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[RBW] Re: A Homer Hill build....

[Sarah Carlson]

Also I had no idea a stem fit kit existed!

On Sunday, November 26, 2023 at 5:22:02 AM UTC-8 Ed Carolipio wrote:

> Congrats - new bike day is always the best day.
>
> +1 on Toshi's suggestion for a triple crank up front (get a light-ish road 
> crank) with an 11-28 cassette in the rear - that's my setup on my long 
> distance bike. That gives a wider gear range than the wide-low and minimal 
> weight difference because the cassette is lighter. If you want to stick 
> with the double, IMO the wide-low will not give you enough top end. You'll 
> have to run something at least like the 42/28 (from Riv - but maybe wait 
> for the lighter duty Silver2?) or the 46/30 (the "adventure" or "gravel" 
> gearing available from many manufacturers) with a taller cassette (11-32 
> with most RDs, 11-36 on friction with most RDs, and up to 11-42 in friction 
> with some RDs and maybe Wolf's tooth goat link) in the back.
>
> I like using this gear ratio calculator: https://www.gear-calculator.com/  
> Since you have existing bikes, you can enter your existing gearing then 
> compare the gearing on your new bike. The gearing on your new bike should 
> at least match on the low end and exceed on the top end of your existing 
> bike. With a double that may not be possible so check what's the equivalent 
> gear combination that low end is on your old bike, go find a hill, and ride 
> it unloaded in that combo to see if that effort is something you can live 
> with.
>
>  Also +1 on Toshi's suggestion for nicer tires: Rene Herse or Grand Bois, 
> and I'd go for the standard casing for better flat protection.
>
> If you haven't already, build up a nice light-ish wheelset. For rims, I 
> suggest the Pacenti Brevet or Velocity A23 as good value options, with the 
> latter available as an Off Center drilling for rear wheels. More expensive 
> options exist of course. For hubs, the Shimano 105 is good enough but 
> you'll have to service them periodically (and I'm not a fan of the bluish 
> anodizing.) Rich built me an A23/A23OC wheelset with 105 hubs for my 
> Roadini and it performed wonderfully.
>
> Since you're going to be experimenting with bars and fit, I suggest 
> investing in a "stem fit kit": an inexpensive quill adapter; a 31.8-to-25.4 
> handle bar shim; and a handful of inexpensive 31.8 threadless stems. Use 
> Whatbars.com and your existing bike fit to get the range of stem lengths 
> that would work. The Origin8 adapter is under $20. The Kalloy stems are 
> about $25 each, and you can find them (and other value stems) used at a 
> local bike co-op, here, in iBob, and eBay. IMO worth the investment since 
> you're only going to know if the bar works for you if you go out on a 
> decently distanced bike ride, and threadless stems are easier to swap than 
> quill ones. When you're done, go get that nice Nitto stem for your AHH, 
> tape and shellac your handlebars, and put these in a box since, well, n+1.
>
> Since your riding position is changing, set aside budget for possibly a 
> new, narrower saddle. I have Brooks B17s (170mm width) with my flat/alt bar 
> bikes but use a GB Aspin (157mm width) with the cutout for my drop bar 
> bikes. Some manufacturers and stores offer a saddle comfort guarantee, so 
> check with those vendors if the need arises. I like to shop for saddles at 
> biketouringnews.com because they do offer a 90 day saddle comfort 
> guarantee and sell a wide selection of saddles, like Brooks and GB as well 
> as Ergon and WTB. (Not a paid endorsement - they've just been awesome the 
> handful of times I've shopped with them.)
>
> Looking forward to how your build ends up, with pictures of course.
>
> --Ed C.
> Redondo Beach, CA
> On Saturday, November 25, 2023 at 6:27:06 AM UTC-8 sarahlik...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> I think I learned what N + 1 syndrome is I have two very lovely 
>> bikes, and Atlantis and a Platypus. Between the two I have been able to do 
>> most of the kind of riding I can dream of. Chase around my kid on the 
>> Atlantis which is built up as an all rounder (Because I had only road bikes 
>> and I have a kid who can't stay away from dirt and gravel). I have been 
>> taking my Platypus out on club rides which has been working out fine... 
>> until I started to have aspirations to try out some of these rides that 
>> involve a lot of hills... so of course I decided to buy A Homer that I 
>> would like to build up specifically for rides with lots of hills! (To 
>> clarify, I am totally happy to take my time getting up hills on my Platypus 
>> which I have set up with racks and bags, fenders... but I like to ride with 
>> other people which are usually people with traditional road bikes with all 
>> the carbon fiber things). 
>>
>> So I would love some guidance on setting up the gearing, and handlebar 
>> types, and random suggestions on how to do a lighter build. I know weight 
>> isn't the most important thing... but I can for sure tell a difference when 
>> I run up and down the 

[RBW] Re: A Homer Hill build....

[Sarah Carlson]

Wow, another triple recommendation, I'm so glad I read this before 
splashing out! And all you guys have addressed my main question which I 
didn't put out there... how to get a high and low enough gear... a triple!

I do have Rich built A23 on my Platypus, and would 100% do it again. I did 
dynamo hubs on my other two bikes and I think I'm going to keep this bike 
more basic. If I'll be riding late I'll take the Platypus or the Atlantis. 
For some reason it feels like overkill to have 3 bikes all set up that way. 
I have a battery charged light that is not super glamorous but can do the 
job. And I am curious about the Rene Herse tires, and am hoping to test 
those out on this bike.

I'm going to branch out from the real purty saddles and get a Specialized 
Mimic which was recommended to me by my Godmother. I have a broken in 
Brooks B17 waiting in the wings if that doesn't work out.

Thanks for the ideas!

On Sunday, November 26, 2023 at 5:22:02 AM UTC-8 Ed Carolipio wrote:

> Congrats - new bike day is always the best day.
>
> +1 on Toshi's suggestion for a triple crank up front (get a light-ish road 
> crank) with an 11-28 cassette in the rear - that's my setup on my long 
> distance bike. That gives a wider gear range than the wide-low and minimal 
> weight difference because the cassette is lighter. If you want to stick 
> with the double, IMO the wide-low will not give you enough top end. You'll 
> have to run something at least like the 42/28 (from Riv - but maybe wait 
> for the lighter duty Silver2?) or the 46/30 (the "adventure" or "gravel" 
> gearing available from many manufacturers) with a taller cassette (11-32 
> with most RDs, 11-36 on friction with most RDs, and up to 11-42 in friction 
> with some RDs and maybe Wolf's tooth goat link) in the back.
>
> I like using this gear ratio calculator: https://www.gear-calculator.com/  
> Since you have existing bikes, you can enter your existing gearing then 
> compare the gearing on your new bike. The gearing on your new bike should 
> at least match on the low end and exceed on the top end of your existing 
> bike. With a double that may not be possible so check what's the equivalent 
> gear combination that low end is on your old bike, go find a hill, and ride 
> it unloaded in that combo to see if that effort is something you can live 
> with.
>
>  Also +1 on Toshi's suggestion for nicer tires: Rene Herse or Grand Bois, 
> and I'd go for the standard casing for better flat protection.
>
> If you haven't already, build up a nice light-ish wheelset. For rims, I 
> suggest the Pacenti Brevet or Velocity A23 as good value options, with the 
> latter available as an Off Center drilling for rear wheels. More expensive 
> options exist of course. For hubs, the Shimano 105 is good enough but 
> you'll have to service them periodically (and I'm not a fan of the bluish 
> anodizing.) Rich built me an A23/A23OC wheelset with 105 hubs for my 
> Roadini and it performed wonderfully.
>
> Since you're going to be experimenting with bars and fit, I suggest 
> investing in a "stem fit kit": an inexpensive quill adapter; a 31.8-to-25.4 
> handle bar shim; and a handful of inexpensive 31.8 threadless stems. Use 
> Whatbars.com and your existing bike fit to get the range of stem lengths 
> that would work. The Origin8 adapter is under $20. The Kalloy stems are 
> about $25 each, and you can find them (and other value stems) used at a 
> local bike co-op, here, in iBob, and eBay. IMO worth the investment since 
> you're only going to know if the bar works for you if you go out on a 
> decently distanced bike ride, and threadless stems are easier to swap than 
> quill ones. When you're done, go get that nice Nitto stem for your AHH, 
> tape and shellac your handlebars, and put these in a box since, well, n+1.
>
> Since your riding position is changing, set aside budget for possibly a 
> new, narrower saddle. I have Brooks B17s (170mm width) with my flat/alt bar 
> bikes but use a GB Aspin (157mm width) with the cutout for my drop bar 
> bikes. Some manufacturers and stores offer a saddle comfort guarantee, so 
> check with those vendors if the need arises. I like to shop for saddles at 
> biketouringnews.com because they do offer a 90 day saddle comfort 
> guarantee and sell a wide selection of saddles, like Brooks and GB as well 
> as Ergon and WTB. (Not a paid endorsement - they've just been awesome the 
> handful of times I've shopped with them.)
>
> Looking forward to how your build ends up, with pictures of course.
>
> --Ed C.
> Redondo Beach, CA
> On Saturday, November 25, 2023 at 6:27:06 AM UTC-8 sarahlik...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> I think I learned what N + 1 syndrome is I have two very lovely 
>> bikes, and Atlantis and a Platypus. Between the two I have been able to do 
>> most of the kind of riding I can dream of. Chase around my kid on the 
>> Atlantis which is built up as an all rounder (Because I had only road bikes 
>> and I have a kid who 

[RBW] Re: Newer Sam Hillborne/Toyo Atlantis crossover

[J S]

Cannot speak for the Atlantis but I have a Hillborne and think it can be 
used on streets, gravel, dirt paths. It can fit 48mm tires without fenders, 
a really nice bike with shorter chainstays  than Riv is favoring on 90% of 
their current bikes. For me that was the decision point. 
On Saturday, November 25, 2023 at 12:36:39 PM UTC-5 exliontamer wrote:

> Just curious if anyone has any real world experience with both of these 
> bikes, and if so, how similar they feel & ride (aside from obvious 
> differences like tire clearance). I have a 61 Atlantis and am looking at a 
> 60 Hillborne. Thanks!

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[RBW] Re: A Homer Hill build....

[Sarah Carlson]

Okay, I love these ideas. I'm writing this down on my super nerd gearing 
list. I am so curious about the triple now. I've had some advice that it's 
overkill, but I'm curious now that I am hearing from people with riding 
experience... people who ride like me... While on my own I am a "Party Pace 
rider" I do find that I get into my 42 front chainring a lot... but I also 
ride the 28 for most of the time. I spin on downhills, and can't get quite 
a low enough gear to get up these long hills without feeling it in my 
knees... Maybe a triple is the answer. I don't mind a weight penalty for 
something that improves ride experience, I'm just trying to be more 
conscious about throwing racks and bags and accidentally building every 
bike into a touring bike. I will not be at the point where I fit everything 
into tiny jersey pockets, just trying to find that balance.

The Roadini is the rational looking choice, but I am just not a pure 
roadbike person. I need to be able to get a somewhat ergonomic handlebar on 
there, no drops due to my funky shoulder. And I've been mostly having a 
fine time on club rides on my Platypus which I have a trunk bag on... which 
gets a lot of comments until I'm the one who pulls out a fully equipped 
first aid kit, or can carry out someone's water bottle and cage that flies 
off mid ride... try fitting that in a Jersey pocket!

The Homer is going to be great for what I'm planning to do... and if not 
then it's another N+1 situation, right? 
On Saturday, November 25, 2023 at 8:54:48 AM UTC-8 steve...@gmail.com wrote:

> An Albastache with drop bar levers?   
> I'm sure some Homer riders will chime in with their thoughts, but I've 
> found that mustache style bars can strike a happy compromise between swept 
> back designs and drop bars. The trick I think is to get the height and 
> reach dialed in so they provide both a comfortable, somewhat upright-ish 
> cruising position when on the ends, and a lower stretched out aero-ish 
> position when out on the bends & brake lever hoods. I've found they work 
> best for me with a much shorter stem than I would have expected.  
>
> I'd think a 24t chain ring, if coupled with an 11-34 or 11-32 rear 
> cassette would give you a sufficiently low "granny gear" for big climbs, 
> but I wonder if you'd wind up spinning out the 38 x 11 high gear. I run a 
> VO triple on my Platypus with a 44-34-24 crank and an 8 speed 11-34 on the 
> back. I'm definitely a 'party pace' sort of rider, but often find myself 
> shifting onto the 44t chain ring. 
>
> Not to distract you from your plan...but would a Roadini be a better 
> choice for club rides?  Whatever you settle on, have fun with your N+1 bike 
> build!!!
>
>
> On Saturday, November 25, 2023 at 9:27:06 AM UTC-5 sarahlik...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> I think I learned what N + 1 syndrome is I have two very lovely 
>> bikes, and Atlantis and a Platypus. Between the two I have been able to do 
>> most of the kind of riding I can dream of. Chase around my kid on the 
>> Atlantis which is built up as an all rounder (Because I had only road bikes 
>> and I have a kid who can't stay away from dirt and gravel). I have been 
>> taking my Platypus out on club rides which has been working out fine... 
>> until I started to have aspirations to try out some of these rides that 
>> involve a lot of hills... so of course I decided to buy A Homer that I 
>> would like to build up specifically for rides with lots of hills! (To 
>> clarify, I am totally happy to take my time getting up hills on my Platypus 
>> which I have set up with racks and bags, fenders... but I like to ride with 
>> other people which are usually people with traditional road bikes with all 
>> the carbon fiber things). 
>>
>> So I would love some guidance on setting up the gearing, and handlebar 
>> types, and random suggestions on how to do a lighter build. I know weight 
>> isn't the most important thing... but I can for sure tell a difference when 
>> I run up and down the stairs at the BART station with my Platypus when I 
>> have it laden with all the things vs when I first got it... and I love it 
>> now with all the things... so of course another bike, n + 1 is the answer. 
>>
>> I've been considering the Wide Low double (38 x 24).
>>
>> I use the Billie Bars, and Albatross bars on my other bikes... am I 
>> missing out on anything by not considering other options? (I have a 
>> shoulder that sometimes misbehaves so drop bars have not been my friend). 
>>
>> I am open to bikesplaining.
>>
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] A Homer Hill build....

[Sarah Carlson]

I am having regrets about not getting a 24 on my Platypus chainring, and am 
looking into correcting that. I thought to keep up with group rides I 
needed a big ring up front to be "fast" but what it turns out is really 
important is a low gear. I especially learned that when I went on a flat 28 
mile ride and somehow the leader took us on a wrong turn and we ended up on 
Mt. Diablo... So I'm looking at the wide low double which I think will meet 
most of my needs, but I am going to ask about the triple!

I am considering the Albastache, how do you have yours set up? And what was 
the switch for you like from other bars? These are the ones I am most 
curious about so SPILL! I have been a Billie Bar/Albatross loyalist and am 
hoping to at least test ride the Albastache to make sure I'm not missing 
anything. 

I did consider the Roadini, also tempting because of the difference in 
price... but I find I just always feel a bit squished up on a shorter 
frame. Also I recall reading that you can't put an Albatross bar on there 
and drops are a nono because I have a wacky shoulder that I need to be kind 
to.  

On Saturday, November 25, 2023 at 8:41:23 AM UTC-8 ttoshi wrote:

> I take the triple weight penalty because I like my 48 chainring on the 
> flats and my 24 chainring for the really steep stuff or when I’m tired.
>
> I keep it slightly lighter by using a 28 cassette in the rear.
>
> I use an Albastache, which may not be as upright as your other bars. It’s 
> worth considering.
>
> My other thought is to use nice tires. I would use Grand Bois Lierre EL or 
> the Compass equivalent or Parimoto 38 mm.
>
> My final thought is why not a Roadini? That’s what I would do if it’s 
> mostly pavement. (Piaw rides his almost? everywhere.)
>
> Have fun,
> Toshi in Oaktown
>
>
> On Sat, Nov 25, 2023 at 6:27 AM Sarah Carlson  
> wrote:
>
>> I think I learned what N + 1 syndrome is I have two very lovely 
>> bikes, and Atlantis and a Platypus. Between the two I have been able to do 
>> most of the kind of riding I can dream of. Chase around my kid on the 
>> Atlantis which is built up as an all rounder (Because I had only road bikes 
>> and I have a kid who can't stay away from dirt and gravel). I have been 
>> taking my Platypus out on club rides which has been working out fine... 
>> until I started to have aspirations to try out some of these rides that 
>> involve a lot of hills... so of course I decided to buy A Homer that I 
>> would like to build up specifically for rides with lots of hills! (To 
>> clarify, I am totally happy to take my time getting up hills on my Platypus 
>> which I have set up with racks and bags, fenders... but I like to ride with 
>> other people which are usually people with traditional road bikes with all 
>> the carbon fiber things). 
>>
>> So I would love some guidance on setting up the gearing, and handlebar 
>> types, and random suggestions on how to do a lighter build. I know weight 
>> isn't the most important thing... but I can for sure tell a difference when 
>> I run up and down the stairs at the BART station with my Platypus when I 
>> have it laden with all the things vs when I first got it... and I love it 
>> now with all the things... so of course another bike, n + 1 is the answer. 
>>
>> I've been considering the Wide Low double (38 x 24).
>>
>> I use the Billie Bars, and Albatross bars on my other bikes... am I 
>> missing out on anything by not considering other options? (I have a 
>> shoulder that sometimes misbehaves so drop bars have not been my friend). 
>>
>> I am open to bikesplaining.
>>
>>
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[RBW] Re: A Homer Hill build....

[Ed Carolipio]

Congrats - new bike day is always the best day.

+1 on Toshi's suggestion for a triple crank up front (get a light-ish road 
crank) with an 11-28 cassette in the rear - that's my setup on my long 
distance bike. That gives a wider gear range than the wide-low and minimal 
weight difference because the cassette is lighter. If you want to stick 
with the double, IMO the wide-low will not give you enough top end. You'll 
have to run something at least like the 42/28 (from Riv - but maybe wait 
for the lighter duty Silver2?) or the 46/30 (the "adventure" or "gravel" 
gearing available from many manufacturers) with a taller cassette (11-32 
with most RDs, 11-36 on friction with most RDs, and up to 11-42 in friction 
with some RDs and maybe Wolf's tooth goat link) in the back.

I like using this gear ratio calculator: https://www.gear-calculator.com/  
Since you have existing bikes, you can enter your existing gearing then 
compare the gearing on your new bike. The gearing on your new bike should 
at least match on the low end and exceed on the top end of your existing 
bike. With a double that may not be possible so check what's the equivalent 
gear combination that low end is on your old bike, go find a hill, and ride 
it unloaded in that combo to see if that effort is something you can live 
with.

 Also +1 on Toshi's suggestion for nicer tires: Rene Herse or Grand Bois, 
and I'd go for the standard casing for better flat protection.

If you haven't already, build up a nice light-ish wheelset. For rims, I 
suggest the Pacenti Brevet or Velocity A23 as good value options, with the 
latter available as an Off Center drilling for rear wheels. More expensive 
options exist of course. For hubs, the Shimano 105 is good enough but 
you'll have to service them periodically (and I'm not a fan of the bluish 
anodizing.) Rich built me an A23/A23OC wheelset with 105 hubs for my 
Roadini and it performed wonderfully.

Since you're going to be experimenting with bars and fit, I suggest 
investing in a "stem fit kit": an inexpensive quill adapter; a 31.8-to-25.4 
handle bar shim; and a handful of inexpensive 31.8 threadless stems. Use 
Whatbars.com and your existing bike fit to get the range of stem lengths 
that would work. The Origin8 adapter is under $20. The Kalloy stems are 
about $25 each, and you can find them (and other value stems) used at a 
local bike co-op, here, in iBob, and eBay. IMO worth the investment since 
you're only going to know if the bar works for you if you go out on a 
decently distanced bike ride, and threadless stems are easier to swap than 
quill ones. When you're done, go get that nice Nitto stem for your AHH, 
tape and shellac your handlebars, and put these in a box since, well, n+1.

Since your riding position is changing, set aside budget for possibly a 
new, narrower saddle. I have Brooks B17s (170mm width) with my flat/alt bar 
bikes but use a GB Aspin (157mm width) with the cutout for my drop bar 
bikes. Some manufacturers and stores offer a saddle comfort guarantee, so 
check with those vendors if the need arises. I like to shop for saddles at 
biketouringnews.com because they do offer a 90 day saddle comfort guarantee 
and sell a wide selection of saddles, like Brooks and GB as well as Ergon 
and WTB. (Not a paid endorsement - they've just been awesome the handful of 
times I've shopped with them.)

Looking forward to how your build ends up, with pictures of course.

--Ed C.
Redondo Beach, CA
On Saturday, November 25, 2023 at 6:27:06 AM UTC-8 sarahlik...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> I think I learned what N + 1 syndrome is I have two very lovely bikes, 
> and Atlantis and a Platypus. Between the two I have been able to do most of 
> the kind of riding I can dream of. Chase around my kid on the Atlantis 
> which is built up as an all rounder (Because I had only road bikes and I 
> have a kid who can't stay away from dirt and gravel). I have been taking my 
> Platypus out on club rides which has been working out fine... until I 
> started to have aspirations to try out some of these rides that involve a 
> lot of hills... so of course I decided to buy A Homer that I would like to 
> build up specifically for rides with lots of hills! (To clarify, I am 
> totally happy to take my time getting up hills on my Platypus which I have 
> set up with racks and bags, fenders... but I like to ride with other people 
> which are usually people with traditional road bikes with all the carbon 
> fiber things). 
>
> So I would love some guidance on setting up the gearing, and handlebar 
> types, and random suggestions on how to do a lighter build. I know weight 
> isn't the most important thing... but I can for sure tell a difference when 
> I run up and down the stairs at the BART station with my Platypus when I 
> have it laden with all the things vs when I first got it... and I love it 
> now with all the things... so of course another bike, n + 1 is the answer. 
>
> I've been considering the Wide Low 

Re: [RBW] Susie Longbolts – offload yours on me or talk me out of it?!

[Max S]

You all have been very, very helpful! Will ponder this and, hopefully, make 
some progress on my fitness with indoor exercise, as the cold months set 
in. 

- Max 

On Saturday, November 25, 2023 at 12:36:17 PM UTC-5 ryan.o...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> You could also wait for the new batch that's apparently a merging of Suz 
> and Gus. 
>
> On Mon, Nov 20, 2023 at 2:42 PM Ryan Ogilvie  wrote:
>
>> I got a 56 Suz a few months ago and experience aligns with Mack's. Really 
>> versatile--fun on road and trail. 
>>
>> Frame is pretty light, so you could do a minimalist steel frame build. I 
>> have dynamo, cliffhangers, racks, but don't mind the weight. 
>>
>> It is a looong frame. Hard to fit on car racks, trains and that sort 
>> of thing, but also hard to wipe out with those chainstays. 
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 20, 2023 at 2:05 PM Richard Rose  wrote:
>>
>>> Coming from a Gus owner who has ridden both; DO IT! For all of the 
>>> reasons mentioned here and more. My Gus is a very capable & comfortable 
>>> rigid MTB. Also a pleasure riding to the trail & superb on gravel. 
>>> Bikepacking? YES! 29 x 2.6 @ 16-18psi (tubeless) and it rolls over 
>>> everything. It’s just a great, fun as hell bike. When I rode a friend’s 
>>> Susie I really did not notice the weight difference. What I can say is the 
>>> front end might be a bit stiffer. Not in a bad way, just very precise. You 
>>> cannot go wrong.
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Nov 20, 2023, at 12:06 PM, Max S  wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>> Thinking of getting a fatter-tired bike going for casual Zone 2 sorties 
>>> and quiet trail riding. (Mainly need a frame as an excuse to use my idle 
>>> Bullmoose bars... so it goes.) 
>>>
>>> If you have a Susie, what's your experience been like? Would you 
>>> recommend it and for what? Should I try to find a 56 cm Susie (Riv is out 
>>> of stock), or should I get something else?.. Should I get something custom 
>>> made that'll be lighter?.. 
>>>
>>> - Max "idle lunchtime thoughts on this cool November day while not 
>>> wanting to do any work nor organize my already overflowing bike room" in MI 
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