Re: [RBW] Re: 2024 Frame Schedule

[Jason Fuller]

Yeah!  Despite following the Charlie development perhaps more closely than 
anyone outside Riv HQ for the longest time, it's changed a bunch and I've 
kind of lost the pulse on what makes it unique in the lineup. I used to 
think it was going to be the evolution of the Roadini but it seems to be 
something else. Regardless I am betting it'll be a quick bike as the name 
implies, perhaps with just a little more embedded versatility compared to 
the Roadini?  


On Thursday 11 January 2024 at 20:25:19 UTC-8 rockthr...@gmail.com wrote:

> I am intrigued by the Charlie Gallop. The random photos I’ve seen so far 
> make it look like a road, path, , rail trail cruiser that I need.
>
> On Thursday, January 11, 2024 at 10:17:49 PM UTC-6 brok...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Jason, I 100% agree with you on the Joe vs. Atlantis, and the void in 
>> Riv’s lineup for a classic-styled roadish tourer (which is why I think so 
>> many folks are searching for early era Atlantis frames these days - I’m 
>> glad to have found one this past year). I’m not a fan of what the Atlantis 
>> has evolved into, but wouldn’t rule out an Appaloosa in my near future.
>>
>> - Brian
>> Lex Ky
>>
>> On Jan 11, 2024, at 10:42 PM, Jason Fuller  wrote:
>>
>> Word is the Sam is unchanged from previous batches, geometry-wise, which 
>> is wonderful news as Sam is perfect.  No plans to pick up anything this 
>> year, in fact it's my fourth annual "no new bikes" resolution which has 
>> failed three times thus far. 
>>
>>
>>
>> I am a big fan of the new Susie's combination of specs, more stout than 
>> the old one (which was flexy to the extent it didn't make a good off-road 
>> tourer for most people) but quill stem. Dig that.
>>
>> I find the Appaloosa to be a lot better on the eyes than the modern 
>> Atlantis and I struggle to understand why since they're nearly the same. In 
>> my dream scenario, the Atlantis would go backwards slightly to bit a little 
>> more roadish in geometry, something similar to the Sam, but with the 
>> additional stoutness and tire clearance. I feel like this more road-focused 
>> true touring bike is currently missing in the lineup, and still falls 
>> within modern Riv sensibilities. Of course, I have no say in this, but a 
>> guy can dream. 
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thursday 11 January 2024 at 13:03:05 UTC-8 drewfi...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Saw this in the last email:
>>>
>>>
>>>- February - Clems
>>>- March - Lugged Susies - kind of a new model
>>>- April - Roaduno bikes and frames - new model
>>>- May - Sam Hillbornes
>>>- June - Appaloosas
>>>- July - Platypus bikes and frames
>>>- August - Charlie Gallop, nu model, bikes and frames, more info 
>>>later
>>>- September - Roadini
>>>
>>> Been waiting to pick up a Sam for a lng time. Anyone else have plans 
>>> to pick up a new frame in 2024? 
>>>
>>> Also, Looks like the foreboding about the Atlantis going into retirement 
>>> is holding true with more appaloosas coming in the summer. Anyone out there 
>>> still pining for that turquoise dream? 
>>>
>>> - Drew  
>>>
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[RBW] Re: New Jewelry for my Platypus

[Joe Bernard]

That rose is so pretty. I grant your swanky new Paul brakes my highest 
praise, they're RIDICULOUS 

On Thursday, January 11, 2024 at 5:28:30 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> I have never had Paul anything. I’ve had whatever brakes and levers came 
> with my bikes and didn’t think any more about it. I did get my VO brake 
> levers anodized, but that batch of rose pink ano faded freakishly fast and 
> everything was silver 4 months later. 
>
> But I’m giving it another chance. Everyone talks about Paul, and Paul 
> sometimes offers their parts in pretty, anodized colors, but currently, 
> they do not. I emailed the company, asking if they happened to have any of 
> their pink levers laying around that they would be willing to sell me. I 
> got an email back from Paul, like THE Paul, who directed me to an employee 
> I won’t name here. He and I got in contact and he was so fun, right from 
> the start. We chatted and he looked at my bikes (I sent him my pics via 
> email) and we made a plan. 
>
> We colored it all. 
>
> The bolts, the brake body, the levers, the barrel adjustors ALL of it. 
>
> The parts came in 3 boxes, plus one extra little envelope. The envelope 
> had a small personalized gift from my new friend at Paul, just because, 
> with a handwritten note in the prettiest handwriting I’ve ever seen. Swoon! 
> I opened the first box and it was wrapped like origami inside. I uncovered 
> the first gorgeous pieces and the breath left my body. So beautiful. 
> Quality even a novice can’t miss. Just what I wanted. Rich, rose color. 
>
> I would need to be with bike people to get the full joy out of this 
> experience. My bike shop knows about Paul Components. A blizzard is on its 
> way to Michigan and I knew my shop would not be busy. I put the pieces back 
> in the box, loaded the boxes and my bike in the van and drove to the shop. 
> I came in and there were 4 mechanics and zero customers. “Guys!” I said, “I 
> have a fun project for us to do, and I can’t do it without you! Who wants 
> to see what is in these boxes?” 
>
> So there we were on company time, hovering over these immaculate little 
> parcels, oohing and aahhing. There was extra swag in there, stuff I had 
> never seen. 
>
> “What’s this?” I asked, holding up a flat, wooden thing with Paul emblems. 
>
> “It’s a carpenter’s pencil,” said the mechanic. I gave it to him.
>
> I left the bike with them and I should have it in the next couple/few 
> days, depending on how long the blizzard rages for. Not that I’ll get to 
> ride and try those beautiful Paul parts out; we are getting up to a foot of 
> snow! For now they are only a visual treat. I can’t even imagine how 
> enamored I will be when I get to actually USE the brakes. 
>
> And what nice people. I was not expecting them to be so personable! I have 
> heard they are a small operation, but they *are* famous in their own 
> right - celebrity machinists, really - yet so kind to a layperson like me.
>
> Here’s the photo I got before the parts shipped. “Whatcha think?” he 
> asked. 
>
> Oh, he knew. He knew he knocked it straight outta the park.
>
> Leah
>
>  
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Feeler: ISO extra-small 26er?

[Patrick Moore]

Note that 571 X 23 and 559 X 23 are easily swappable with mid- or slightly
longer reach (centerpull) brakes -- even short reach calipers if the
mounting holes are happily placed -- as the difference in radius is only 6
mm or slightly less than 1/4".

On Thu, Jan 11, 2024 at 5:39 PM J L  wrote:

> While all the bikes OP listed are great vehicles, none of them fit the
> brief. If the brief is “Lighter, more roadish, with drop bars…” for someone
> 5’ in height, I would look for used Georgina Terry bikes. Terry is an
> accomplished and innovative bicycle designer and frame builder. She builds
> custom bicycles now and has offered many production models in the past.
> Many of her designs utilize two different wheel sizes (24” front, 700c
> rear) to allow for the top tube length and stand over height to match the
> needs of short stature riders.
>
> She also offered bicycles with 650c (571) and later, 26” (559) wheels. Her
> 26” (559) bikes tend to be designed around Rene Herse Elk Pass 26x1.25
> tires.
>
> The flea bay has beautiful blue Waterford built Terry Gale Force road
> frame for 559 wheels. I messages OP directly with this suggestion.
>
> Another used bicycle option is searching for 650c bikes. We know from list
> member Patrick M. that 571x23 and 559x32 work on the same frames. Elk Pass
> tires tend to run a little narrow at 29-30mm so width is usually not an
> issue either. A discerning eye can separate the old time trial bikes from
> the small wheel road bicycles. Also on the flea bay is a nice steel
> Davidson, though the top tube might be too long for this use.
>
> There are many current options using this 650c route on the bay, including
> a super inexpensive Terry size 50x50cm square. Which is too large for OP’s
> spouse but would be a nice bike for someone in the 5’2” range.
>
> JL from SF
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: 2024 Frame Schedule

[m f]

I am intrigued by the Charlie Gallop. The random photos I’ve seen so far 
make it look like a road, path, , rail trail cruiser that I need.

On Thursday, January 11, 2024 at 10:17:49 PM UTC-6 brok...@gmail.com wrote:

> Jason, I 100% agree with you on the Joe vs. Atlantis, and the void in 
> Riv’s lineup for a classic-styled roadish tourer (which is why I think so 
> many folks are searching for early era Atlantis frames these days - I’m 
> glad to have found one this past year). I’m not a fan of what the Atlantis 
> has evolved into, but wouldn’t rule out an Appaloosa in my near future.
>
> - Brian
> Lex Ky
>
> On Jan 11, 2024, at 10:42 PM, Jason Fuller  wrote:
>
> Word is the Sam is unchanged from previous batches, geometry-wise, which 
> is wonderful news as Sam is perfect.  No plans to pick up anything this 
> year, in fact it's my fourth annual "no new bikes" resolution which has 
> failed three times thus far. 
>
>
>
> I am a big fan of the new Susie's combination of specs, more stout than 
> the old one (which was flexy to the extent it didn't make a good off-road 
> tourer for most people) but quill stem. Dig that.
>
> I find the Appaloosa to be a lot better on the eyes than the modern 
> Atlantis and I struggle to understand why since they're nearly the same. In 
> my dream scenario, the Atlantis would go backwards slightly to bit a little 
> more roadish in geometry, something similar to the Sam, but with the 
> additional stoutness and tire clearance. I feel like this more road-focused 
> true touring bike is currently missing in the lineup, and still falls 
> within modern Riv sensibilities. Of course, I have no say in this, but a 
> guy can dream. 
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thursday 11 January 2024 at 13:03:05 UTC-8 drewfi...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Saw this in the last email:
>>
>>
>>- February - Clems
>>- March - Lugged Susies - kind of a new model
>>- April - Roaduno bikes and frames - new model
>>- May - Sam Hillbornes
>>- June - Appaloosas
>>- July - Platypus bikes and frames
>>- August - Charlie Gallop, nu model, bikes and frames, more info later
>>- September - Roadini
>>
>> Been waiting to pick up a Sam for a lng time. Anyone else have plans 
>> to pick up a new frame in 2024? 
>>
>> Also, Looks like the foreboding about the Atlantis going into retirement 
>> is holding true with more appaloosas coming in the summer. Anyone out there 
>> still pining for that turquoise dream? 
>>
>> - Drew  
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: 2024 Frame Schedule

[Brian Turner]

Jason, I 100% agree with you on the Joe vs. Atlantis, and the void in Riv’s lineup for a classic-styled roadish tourer (which is why I think so many folks are searching for early era Atlantis frames these days - I’m glad to have found one this past year). I’m not a fan of what the Atlantis has evolved into, but wouldn’t rule out an Appaloosa in my near future.- BrianLex KyOn Jan 11, 2024, at 10:42 PM, Jason Fuller  wrote:Word is the Sam is unchanged from previous batches, geometry-wise, which is wonderful news as Sam is perfect.  No plans to pick up anything this year, in fact it's my fourth annual "no new bikes" resolution which has failed three times thus far. I am a big fan of the new Susie's combination of specs, more stout than the old one (which was flexy to the extent it didn't make a good off-road tourer for most people) but quill stem. Dig that.I find the Appaloosa to be a lot better on the eyes than the modern Atlantis and I struggle to understand why since they're nearly the same. In my dream scenario, the Atlantis would go backwards slightly to bit a little more roadish in geometry, something similar to the Sam, but with the additional stoutness and tire clearance. I feel like this more road-focused true touring bike is currently missing in the lineup, and still falls within modern Riv sensibilities. Of course, I have no say in this, but a guy can dream.    On Thursday 11 January 2024 at 13:03:05 UTC-8 drewfi...@gmail.com wrote:Saw this in the last email:February - ClemsMarch - Lugged Susies - kind of a new modelApril - Roaduno bikes and frames - new modelMay - Sam HillbornesJune - AppaloosasJuly - Platypus bikes and framesAugust - Charlie Gallop, nu model, bikes and frames, more info laterSeptember - RoadiniBeen waiting to pick up a Sam for a lng time. Anyone else have plans to pick up a new frame in 2024? Also, Looks like the foreboding about the Atlantis going into retirement is holding true with more appaloosas coming in the summer. Anyone out there still pining for that turquoise dream? - Drew  



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[RBW] Re: Low q, low range 2x cranks

['John Hawrylak, Woodstown NJ' via RBW Owners Bunch]

VO has a 50.4mm BCD crank in 46-30, but you can use TA rings to get what 
you want.   Their spec is a 144mm Q on a 116mm symmetric BB with a 43.5 FCL 
(per email from VO).   However, John Thruston in AK told me he achieved a 
141.5mm Q with a 110mm BB, indicating the VO spec is 3.5mm optimistic (the 
crank should have a 138mm Q with a 110mm BB).  The VO is $200, but they 
have 20% sales so you can get it at $160. 

Sun XCD is 50.4 with a Q spec of 145mm with a 113mm BB & 43.5mm FCL and can 
be had with TA rings from Jitensha Studios for about $290.   This is about 
the same $ as the VO sale after buying TA rings in other than 46-30.   I 
thought the SunXCD was the better deal and the optimum cost/benefit for a 
low Q double with low gearing.  The SunXCD specs are from a SunXCD drawing 
shown on Santucci Cycles site after selecting the crank in their Shop.

As Bill L stated, your Sam is a 135mm OLD, so a 43.5mm FCL puts the Outer 
ring closer to the middle cog, so the Inner ring should not use the 
smallest cogs.  This should not be a problem if you watch your shifting.

John Hawrylak
Woodstown NJ

On Wednesday, January 10, 2024 at 11:15:06 AM UTC-5 Adam wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> Adjacent to the triples thread, I'm thinking about moving away from a 
> triple to a double in order to get a lower Q.
>
> What are options for double cranksets that are around 40/26 or so? I think 
> that would be doable with the Rene Herse cranks, but too much $$$ for me. 
> Are there any cheaper options that will do that and give me a q in the 140s?
>
> Second, drivetrain stuff is a little new to me. What determines how small 
> a q factor a specific bike can have? I'm assuming chainstays play a role 
> here? This hypothetical project is for a Hillborne, so I'd be curious what 
> folks have used to get low q on their Hillbornes. I'm assuming I may have 
> to change the BB as well.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Adam
>

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[RBW] Re: 2024 Frame Schedule

[Jason Fuller]

Word is the Sam is unchanged from previous batches, geometry-wise, which is 
wonderful news as Sam is perfect.  No plans to pick up anything this year, 
in fact it's my fourth annual "no new bikes" resolution which has failed 
three times thus far. 

I am a big fan of the new Susie's combination of specs, more stout than the 
old one (which was flexy to the extent it didn't make a good off-road 
tourer for most people) but quill stem. Dig that.

I find the Appaloosa to be a lot better on the eyes than the modern 
Atlantis and I struggle to understand why since they're nearly the same. In 
my dream scenario, the Atlantis would go backwards slightly to bit a little 
more roadish in geometry, something similar to the Sam, but with the 
additional stoutness and tire clearance. I feel like this more road-focused 
true touring bike is currently missing in the lineup, and still falls 
within modern Riv sensibilities. Of course, I have no say in this, but a 
guy can dream. 

   



On Thursday 11 January 2024 at 13:03:05 UTC-8 drewfi...@gmail.com wrote:

> Saw this in the last email:
>
>
>- February - Clems
>- March - Lugged Susies - kind of a new model
>- April - Roaduno bikes and frames - new model
>- May - Sam Hillbornes
>- June - Appaloosas
>- July - Platypus bikes and frames
>- August - Charlie Gallop, nu model, bikes and frames, more info later
>- September - Roadini
>
> Been waiting to pick up a Sam for a lng time. Anyone else have plans 
> to pick up a new frame in 2024? 
>
> Also, Looks like the foreboding about the Atlantis going into retirement 
> is holding true with more appaloosas coming in the summer. Anyone out there 
> still pining for that turquoise dream? 
>
> - Drew  
>

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Re: [RBW] Advantages of triple drivetrains (VO post)

[Jason Fuller]

Footnote:  I do love the 10t jump compared to the 14-16t also, but with the 
aforementioned gears I don't front shift often enough that it's a big 
deal.  For 9s I would run what I already mentioned, but if going to 11s I 
would bump up to a 11-42 cassette, now that the jumps are reasonable, and 
switch to a closer ratio front.  42-30 probably. This would mean not being 
able to run as short of a spindle though, so big-big combo might become a 
bit more cross-chainy 

On Thursday 11 January 2024 at 19:10:35 UTC-8 Jason Fuller wrote:

> Admittedly I skimmed (at best) this rather lengthy thread, but wanted to 
> chime in and agree with these points which have undoubtedly been made: 
>
> 1. A typical triple's benefit is that it usually means a lot less front 
> shifting compared to a double, even though that's a bit counter-intuitive. 
> A triple's middle ring is good for 90% of riding, whereas with a 'standard' 
> double you're often crossing the small/big ring threshold. 
>
> 2. A non-standard double, where the outer ring is sized smaller so that it 
> is not too much bigger than the triple's middle, paired with a sufficiently 
> large big cog out back, is the best of both worlds for everyone except 
> those who want to be able to low-cadence pedal down hills.  
>
> I am generally totally happy with 38/24 to 11-34. For a more road-focused 
> bike I can push it to 42-26 or 42-28 and still stay in the big ring for all 
> but longer hills.  The key to this, IMO, is square taper cranks where you 
> can take advantage of the added chainstay clearance that small rings 
> affords, and run a shorter spindle. This brings the rings inboard so that 
> the big ring's chainline is about the same as a triple's middle ring would 
> be 
>
>
> On Thursday 11 January 2024 at 17:23:56 UTC-8 steve...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> So far I 've not noted anyone else posting my particular combination of 
>> integers; 44-34-24 on a Velocity Orange triple. 
>> It started out with a 48t big ring, but my late 90s XT rear derailleur 
>> couldn't quite deal with the 48x36 cross chained combination. I'm smart 
>> just enough to know that I'm dumb enough to have eventually shifted into 
>> that combo.  You could say I had more love for the XT RD than I did for 
>> the 48t ring. I replaced the ring with an inexpensive Origin 8  thinking . 
>>  I wouldn't use it much anyway.
>>
>> Turns out I really like the 10t increments on the front end.   Shifting 
>> between the 3 rings with the chain running in the middle cogs yields steps 
>> of ~ 10 gear inches. Over the right terrain I've been able to amuse myself 
>> by using only the front derailleur. 
>>
>> Steve  
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, January 11, 2024 at 12:29:16 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> "Can those Ultegra triples be found in a square taper or are they all 
>>> Octalink?"
>>>
>>> All Octalink. The previous gen 7/8-spd era Ultegra square taper (600 
>>> tri-color) were all doubles, if you search long and hard you can find 105 
>>> triples from that period but I don't think many were produced. 
>>>
>>> Joe Bernard 
>>>
>>> On Thursday, January 11, 2024 at 7:05:47 AM UTC-8 Tim Bantham wrote:
>>>
 Can those Ultegra triples be found in a square taper or are they all 
 Octalink?

 On Wednesday, January 10, 2024 at 8:23:10 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> Ultegra 52x42x30 makes a nice compact double.  Just remove the 52 
> (free) and put a guard in its place ($15).  Now you've got a 42x30 with 
> the 
> ability to put a smaller ring on the 74 bcd if need be.  The skeleton key 
> is indeed a useful FD.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Wednesday, January 10, 2024 at 4:42:09 PM UTC-8 Will M wrote:
>
>> Diff'rent strokes for diff'rent folks!  
>>
>> I swapped out an Ultegra 52x42x30 for a RBW/Silver 42x28 and never 
>> looked back.  (Yes, that little Microshift "skeleton key" front derailer 
>> is 
>> brilliant).  And my Yuba cargo bike got the RBW/Silver 38x24 because the 
>> 44x34x24 offered no advantages for a bike that is 100% about 
>> transporting 
>> "cargo" (kids) in a city.  I get the appeal of 1X's, but some of the 
>> analog 
>> Yuba long-wheelbase cargo bikes that were spec'ed as 1X got a reputation 
>> for throwing chains under load.  Never understood why. 
>>
>> @ Ron Mc: Love the half-step setup.  Love! Have you seen John 
>> Schubert's article "Half Step: The Gearing Choice for the Retrogrouch 
>> "?
>>  
>> (Adventure Cyclist magazine, March 2002)  My bucket list includes a 1983 
>> Specialized Sequoia with this drivetrain. :-)  
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Will 
>> NYC
>>
>> On Wednesday, January 10, 2024 at 10:43:48 AM UTC-5 Patrick Moore 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I did that for years with 48/38/28 triples and close ratio (13-21 
>>> 

Re: [RBW] Re: New Jewelry for my Platypus

[Steve]

Oh my! OH MY!!!  This is going to advance your bike to a whole new  level 
of cool (and I mean that in the best possible way). 
Please, promise us all some pictures once you have  it back home.
And your whole experience - just wonderful! 
I'm a bit of a Paul fanboy and now I have a rationale for liking their 
bling even more. 
You know though, Paul brakes are not just pretty - I think you'll be amazed 
by their performance.  

Steve in Asheville
On Thursday, January 11, 2024 at 8:56:52 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> Big time APPROVE?! I have seen APPROVE before from Bill Lindsay but I 
> don’t think there has been Big time APPROVE. 
>
> This is an honor! I should get a tee shirt made. A tattoo. Something.
> ♥️
> Leah
>
> On Jan 11, 2024, at 8:50 PM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>
> That's very good stuff right there.  Big time APPROVE
>
>
> BL in EC
>
> On Thursday, January 11, 2024 at 5:28:30 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> I have never had Paul anything. I’ve had whatever brakes and levers came 
>> with my bikes and didn’t think any more about it. I did get my VO brake 
>> levers anodized, but that batch of rose pink ano faded freakishly fast and 
>> everything was silver 4 months later. 
>>
>> But I’m giving it another chance. Everyone talks about Paul, and Paul 
>> sometimes offers their parts in pretty, anodized colors, but currently, 
>> they do not. I emailed the company, asking if they happened to have any of 
>> their pink levers laying around that they would be willing to sell me. I 
>> got an email back from Paul, like THE Paul, who directed me to an employee 
>> I won’t name here. He and I got in contact and he was so fun, right from 
>> the start. We chatted and he looked at my bikes (I sent him my pics via 
>> email) and we made a plan. 
>>
>> We colored it all. 
>>
>> The bolts, the brake body, the levers, the barrel adjustors ALL of it. 
>>
>> The parts came in 3 boxes, plus one extra little envelope. The envelope 
>> had a small personalized gift from my new friend at Paul, just because, 
>> with a handwritten note in the prettiest handwriting I’ve ever seen. Swoon! 
>> I opened the first box and it was wrapped like origami inside. I uncovered 
>> the first gorgeous pieces and the breath left my body. So beautiful. 
>> Quality even a novice can’t miss. Just what I wanted. Rich, rose color. 
>>
>> I would need to be with bike people to get the full joy out of this 
>> experience. My bike shop knows about Paul Components. A blizzard is on its 
>> way to Michigan and I knew my shop would not be busy. I put the pieces back 
>> in the box, loaded the boxes and my bike in the van and drove to the shop. 
>> I came in and there were 4 mechanics and zero customers. “Guys!” I said, “I 
>> have a fun project for us to do, and I can’t do it without you! Who wants 
>> to see what is in these boxes?” 
>>
>> So there we were on company time, hovering over these immaculate little 
>> parcels, oohing and aahhing. There was extra swag in there, stuff I had 
>> never seen. 
>>
>> “What’s this?” I asked, holding up a flat, wooden thing with Paul 
>> emblems. 
>>
>> “It’s a carpenter’s pencil,” said the mechanic. I gave it to him.
>>
>> I left the bike with them and I should have it in the next couple/few 
>> days, depending on how long the blizzard rages for. Not that I’ll get to 
>> ride and try those beautiful Paul parts out; we are getting up to a foot of 
>> snow! For now they are only a visual treat. I can’t even imagine how 
>> enamored I will be when I get to actually USE the brakes. 
>>
>> And what nice people. I was not expecting them to be so personable! I 
>> have heard they are a small operation, but they *are* famous in their 
>> own right - celebrity machinists, really - yet so kind to a layperson like 
>> me.
>>
>> Here’s the photo I got before the parts shipped. “Whatcha think?” he 
>> asked. 
>>
>> Oh, he knew. He knew he knocked it straight outta the park.
>>
>> Leah
>>
>>  
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: New Jewelry for my Platypus

[Jason Fuller]

SO COOL! I can't wait to see it all installed. Really love the color. 

On Thursday 11 January 2024 at 17:56:52 UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> Big time APPROVE?! I have seen APPROVE before from Bill Lindsay but I 
> don’t think there has been Big time APPROVE. 
>
> This is an honor! I should get a tee shirt made. A tattoo. Something.
> ♥️
> Leah
>
> On Jan 11, 2024, at 8:50 PM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>
> That's very good stuff right there.  Big time APPROVE
>
>
> BL in EC
>
> On Thursday, January 11, 2024 at 5:28:30 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> I have never had Paul anything. I’ve had whatever brakes and levers came 
>> with my bikes and didn’t think any more about it. I did get my VO brake 
>> levers anodized, but that batch of rose pink ano faded freakishly fast and 
>> everything was silver 4 months later. 
>>
>> But I’m giving it another chance. Everyone talks about Paul, and Paul 
>> sometimes offers their parts in pretty, anodized colors, but currently, 
>> they do not. I emailed the company, asking if they happened to have any of 
>> their pink levers laying around that they would be willing to sell me. I 
>> got an email back from Paul, like THE Paul, who directed me to an employee 
>> I won’t name here. He and I got in contact and he was so fun, right from 
>> the start. We chatted and he looked at my bikes (I sent him my pics via 
>> email) and we made a plan. 
>>
>> We colored it all. 
>>
>> The bolts, the brake body, the levers, the barrel adjustors ALL of it. 
>>
>> The parts came in 3 boxes, plus one extra little envelope. The envelope 
>> had a small personalized gift from my new friend at Paul, just because, 
>> with a handwritten note in the prettiest handwriting I’ve ever seen. Swoon! 
>> I opened the first box and it was wrapped like origami inside. I uncovered 
>> the first gorgeous pieces and the breath left my body. So beautiful. 
>> Quality even a novice can’t miss. Just what I wanted. Rich, rose color. 
>>
>> I would need to be with bike people to get the full joy out of this 
>> experience. My bike shop knows about Paul Components. A blizzard is on its 
>> way to Michigan and I knew my shop would not be busy. I put the pieces back 
>> in the box, loaded the boxes and my bike in the van and drove to the shop. 
>> I came in and there were 4 mechanics and zero customers. “Guys!” I said, “I 
>> have a fun project for us to do, and I can’t do it without you! Who wants 
>> to see what is in these boxes?” 
>>
>> So there we were on company time, hovering over these immaculate little 
>> parcels, oohing and aahhing. There was extra swag in there, stuff I had 
>> never seen. 
>>
>> “What’s this?” I asked, holding up a flat, wooden thing with Paul 
>> emblems. 
>>
>> “It’s a carpenter’s pencil,” said the mechanic. I gave it to him.
>>
>> I left the bike with them and I should have it in the next couple/few 
>> days, depending on how long the blizzard rages for. Not that I’ll get to 
>> ride and try those beautiful Paul parts out; we are getting up to a foot of 
>> snow! For now they are only a visual treat. I can’t even imagine how 
>> enamored I will be when I get to actually USE the brakes. 
>>
>> And what nice people. I was not expecting them to be so personable! I 
>> have heard they are a small operation, but they *are* famous in their 
>> own right - celebrity machinists, really - yet so kind to a layperson like 
>> me.
>>
>> Here’s the photo I got before the parts shipped. “Whatcha think?” he 
>> asked. 
>>
>> Oh, he knew. He knew he knocked it straight outta the park.
>>
>> Leah
>>
>>  
>>
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Re: [RBW] Advantages of triple drivetrains (VO post)

[Jason Fuller]

Admittedly I skimmed (at best) this rather lengthy thread, but wanted to 
chime in and agree with these points which have undoubtedly been made: 

1. A typical triple's benefit is that it usually means a lot less front 
shifting compared to a double, even though that's a bit counter-intuitive. 
A triple's middle ring is good for 90% of riding, whereas with a 'standard' 
double you're often crossing the small/big ring threshold. 

2. A non-standard double, where the outer ring is sized smaller so that it 
is not too much bigger than the triple's middle, paired with a sufficiently 
large big cog out back, is the best of both worlds for everyone except 
those who want to be able to low-cadence pedal down hills.  

I am generally totally happy with 38/24 to 11-34. For a more road-focused 
bike I can push it to 42-26 or 42-28 and still stay in the big ring for all 
but longer hills.  The key to this, IMO, is square taper cranks where you 
can take advantage of the added chainstay clearance that small rings 
affords, and run a shorter spindle. This brings the rings inboard so that 
the big ring's chainline is about the same as a triple's middle ring would 
be 


On Thursday 11 January 2024 at 17:23:56 UTC-8 steve...@gmail.com wrote:

> So far I 've not noted anyone else posting my particular combination of 
> integers; 44-34-24 on a Velocity Orange triple. 
> It started out with a 48t big ring, but my late 90s XT rear derailleur 
> couldn't quite deal with the 48x36 cross chained combination. I'm smart 
> just enough to know that I'm dumb enough to have eventually shifted into 
> that combo.  You could say I had more love for the XT RD than I did for 
> the 48t ring. I replaced the ring with an inexpensive Origin 8  thinking . 
>  I wouldn't use it much anyway.
>
> Turns out I really like the 10t increments on the front end.   Shifting 
> between the 3 rings with the chain running in the middle cogs yields steps 
> of ~ 10 gear inches. Over the right terrain I've been able to amuse myself 
> by using only the front derailleur. 
>
> Steve  
>
>
> On Thursday, January 11, 2024 at 12:29:16 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> "Can those Ultegra triples be found in a square taper or are they all 
>> Octalink?"
>>
>> All Octalink. The previous gen 7/8-spd era Ultegra square taper (600 
>> tri-color) were all doubles, if you search long and hard you can find 105 
>> triples from that period but I don't think many were produced. 
>>
>> Joe Bernard 
>>
>> On Thursday, January 11, 2024 at 7:05:47 AM UTC-8 Tim Bantham wrote:
>>
>>> Can those Ultegra triples be found in a square taper or are they all 
>>> Octalink?
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, January 10, 2024 at 8:23:10 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
 Ultegra 52x42x30 makes a nice compact double.  Just remove the 52 
 (free) and put a guard in its place ($15).  Now you've got a 42x30 with 
 the 
 ability to put a smaller ring on the 74 bcd if need be.  The skeleton key 
 is indeed a useful FD.  

 Bill Lindsay
 El Cerrito, CA

 On Wednesday, January 10, 2024 at 4:42:09 PM UTC-8 Will M wrote:

> Diff'rent strokes for diff'rent folks!  
>
> I swapped out an Ultegra 52x42x30 for a RBW/Silver 42x28 and never 
> looked back.  (Yes, that little Microshift "skeleton key" front derailer 
> is 
> brilliant).  And my Yuba cargo bike got the RBW/Silver 38x24 because the 
> 44x34x24 offered no advantages for a bike that is 100% about transporting 
> "cargo" (kids) in a city.  I get the appeal of 1X's, but some of the 
> analog 
> Yuba long-wheelbase cargo bikes that were spec'ed as 1X got a reputation 
> for throwing chains under load.  Never understood why. 
>
> @ Ron Mc: Love the half-step setup.  Love! Have you seen John 
> Schubert's article "Half Step: The Gearing Choice for the Retrogrouch 
> "?
>  
> (Adventure Cyclist magazine, March 2002)  My bucket list includes a 1983 
> Specialized Sequoia with this drivetrain. :-)  
>
> Cheers,
> Will 
> NYC
>
> On Wednesday, January 10, 2024 at 10:43:48 AM UTC-5 Patrick Moore 
> wrote:
>
>> I did that for years with 48/38/28 triples and close ratio (13-21 
>> commuting, 12-19 gofast) 7 speed drivetrains. It worked well, with most 
>> riding in the middle ring. ?This ws
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 9, 2024 at 5:02 PM Andrew Turner  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I love a triple paired with an 8 speed or less corncob cassette 
>>> matched to downtube shifters. That's an amazing roadie configuration 
>>> right 
>>> there. Not to mention bomb proof. But I think what rides equally as 
>>> nice is 
>>> 11 speed 2x setups with a wide range cassette in the rear. The choice 
>>> for 
>>> me comes down to looks and vanity. Ron Mc's teaser drivetrain pic is 
>>> really 
>>> scratching an 

Re: [RBW] Re: New Jewelry for my Platypus

[Leah Peterson]

Big time APPROVE?! I have seen APPROVE before from Bill Lindsay but I don’t think there has been Big time APPROVE. This is an honor! I should get a tee shirt made. A tattoo. Something.♥️LeahOn Jan 11, 2024, at 8:50 PM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:That's very good stuff right there.  Big time APPROVEBL in ECOn Thursday, January 11, 2024 at 5:28:30 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:I have never had Paul anything. I’ve had whatever brakes and levers came with my bikes and didn’t think any more about it. I did get my VO brake levers anodized, but that batch of rose pink ano faded freakishly fast and everything was silver 4 months later. But I’m giving it another chance. Everyone talks about Paul, and Paul sometimes offers their parts in pretty, anodized colors, but currently, they do not. I emailed the company, asking if they happened to have any of their pink levers laying around that they would be willing to sell me. I got an email back from Paul, like THE Paul, who directed me to an employee I won’t name here. He and I got in contact and he was so fun, right from the start. We chatted and he looked at my bikes (I sent him my pics via email) and we made a plan. We colored it all. The bolts, the brake body, the levers, the barrel adjustors ALL of it. The parts came in 3 boxes, plus one extra little envelope. The envelope had a small personalized gift from my new friend at Paul, just because, with a handwritten note in the prettiest handwriting I’ve ever seen. Swoon! I opened the first box and it was wrapped like origami inside. I uncovered the first gorgeous pieces and the breath left my body. So beautiful. Quality even a novice can’t miss. Just what I wanted. Rich, rose color. I would need to be with bike people to get the full joy out of this experience. My bike shop knows about Paul Components. A blizzard is on its way to Michigan and I knew my shop would not be busy. I put the pieces back in the box, loaded the boxes and my bike in the van and drove to the shop. I came in and there were 4 mechanics and zero customers. “Guys!” I said, “I have a fun project for us to do, and I can’t do it without you! Who wants to see what is in these boxes?” So there we were on company time, hovering over these immaculate little parcels, oohing and aahhing. There was extra swag in there, stuff I had never seen. “What’s this?” I asked, holding up a flat, wooden thing with Paul emblems. “It’s a carpenter’s pencil,” said the mechanic. I gave it to him.I left the bike with them and I should have it in the next couple/few days, depending on how long the blizzard rages for. Not that I’ll get to ride and try those beautiful Paul parts out; we are getting up to a foot of snow! For now they are only a visual treat. I can’t even imagine how enamored I will be when I get to actually USE the brakes. And what nice people. I was not expecting them to be so personable! I have heard they are a small operation, but they are famous in their own right - celebrity machinists, really - yet so kind to a layperson like me.Here’s the photo I got before the parts shipped. “Whatcha think?” he asked. Oh, he knew. He knew he knocked it straight outta the park.Leah 



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[RBW] Re: New Jewelry for my Platypus

[Bill Lindsay]

That's very good stuff right there.  Big time APPROVE

BL in EC

On Thursday, January 11, 2024 at 5:28:30 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> I have never had Paul anything. I’ve had whatever brakes and levers came 
> with my bikes and didn’t think any more about it. I did get my VO brake 
> levers anodized, but that batch of rose pink ano faded freakishly fast and 
> everything was silver 4 months later. 
>
> But I’m giving it another chance. Everyone talks about Paul, and Paul 
> sometimes offers their parts in pretty, anodized colors, but currently, 
> they do not. I emailed the company, asking if they happened to have any of 
> their pink levers laying around that they would be willing to sell me. I 
> got an email back from Paul, like THE Paul, who directed me to an employee 
> I won’t name here. He and I got in contact and he was so fun, right from 
> the start. We chatted and he looked at my bikes (I sent him my pics via 
> email) and we made a plan. 
>
> We colored it all. 
>
> The bolts, the brake body, the levers, the barrel adjustors ALL of it. 
>
> The parts came in 3 boxes, plus one extra little envelope. The envelope 
> had a small personalized gift from my new friend at Paul, just because, 
> with a handwritten note in the prettiest handwriting I’ve ever seen. Swoon! 
> I opened the first box and it was wrapped like origami inside. I uncovered 
> the first gorgeous pieces and the breath left my body. So beautiful. 
> Quality even a novice can’t miss. Just what I wanted. Rich, rose color. 
>
> I would need to be with bike people to get the full joy out of this 
> experience. My bike shop knows about Paul Components. A blizzard is on its 
> way to Michigan and I knew my shop would not be busy. I put the pieces back 
> in the box, loaded the boxes and my bike in the van and drove to the shop. 
> I came in and there were 4 mechanics and zero customers. “Guys!” I said, “I 
> have a fun project for us to do, and I can’t do it without you! Who wants 
> to see what is in these boxes?” 
>
> So there we were on company time, hovering over these immaculate little 
> parcels, oohing and aahhing. There was extra swag in there, stuff I had 
> never seen. 
>
> “What’s this?” I asked, holding up a flat, wooden thing with Paul emblems. 
>
> “It’s a carpenter’s pencil,” said the mechanic. I gave it to him.
>
> I left the bike with them and I should have it in the next couple/few 
> days, depending on how long the blizzard rages for. Not that I’ll get to 
> ride and try those beautiful Paul parts out; we are getting up to a foot of 
> snow! For now they are only a visual treat. I can’t even imagine how 
> enamored I will be when I get to actually USE the brakes. 
>
> And what nice people. I was not expecting them to be so personable! I have 
> heard they are a small operation, but they *are* famous in their own 
> right - celebrity machinists, really - yet so kind to a layperson like me.
>
> Here’s the photo I got before the parts shipped. “Whatcha think?” he 
> asked. 
>
> Oh, he knew. He knew he knocked it straight outta the park.
>
> Leah
>
>  
>

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[RBW] Re: New Jewelry for my Platypus

[John Rinker]

Wow, that raspberry Platy is going to be even more gorgeous! (Like that's 
even possible.) Enjoy the blizzard!

Cheers, John

On Thursday, January 11, 2024 at 5:28:30 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> I have never had Paul anything. I’ve had whatever brakes and levers came 
> with my bikes and didn’t think any more about it. I did get my VO brake 
> levers anodized, but that batch of rose pink ano faded freakishly fast and 
> everything was silver 4 months later. 
>
> But I’m giving it another chance. Everyone talks about Paul, and Paul 
> sometimes offers their parts in pretty, anodized colors, but currently, 
> they do not. I emailed the company, asking if they happened to have any of 
> their pink levers laying around that they would be willing to sell me. I 
> got an email back from Paul, like THE Paul, who directed me to an employee 
> I won’t name here. He and I got in contact and he was so fun, right from 
> the start. We chatted and he looked at my bikes (I sent him my pics via 
> email) and we made a plan. 
>
> We colored it all. 
>
> The bolts, the brake body, the levers, the barrel adjustors ALL of it. 
>
> The parts came in 3 boxes, plus one extra little envelope. The envelope 
> had a small personalized gift from my new friend at Paul, just because, 
> with a handwritten note in the prettiest handwriting I’ve ever seen. Swoon! 
> I opened the first box and it was wrapped like origami inside. I uncovered 
> the first gorgeous pieces and the breath left my body. So beautiful. 
> Quality even a novice can’t miss. Just what I wanted. Rich, rose color. 
>
> I would need to be with bike people to get the full joy out of this 
> experience. My bike shop knows about Paul Components. A blizzard is on its 
> way to Michigan and I knew my shop would not be busy. I put the pieces back 
> in the box, loaded the boxes and my bike in the van and drove to the shop. 
> I came in and there were 4 mechanics and zero customers. “Guys!” I said, “I 
> have a fun project for us to do, and I can’t do it without you! Who wants 
> to see what is in these boxes?” 
>
> So there we were on company time, hovering over these immaculate little 
> parcels, oohing and aahhing. There was extra swag in there, stuff I had 
> never seen. 
>
> “What’s this?” I asked, holding up a flat, wooden thing with Paul emblems. 
>
> “It’s a carpenter’s pencil,” said the mechanic. I gave it to him.
>
> I left the bike with them and I should have it in the next couple/few 
> days, depending on how long the blizzard rages for. Not that I’ll get to 
> ride and try those beautiful Paul parts out; we are getting up to a foot of 
> snow! For now they are only a visual treat. I can’t even imagine how 
> enamored I will be when I get to actually USE the brakes. 
>
> And what nice people. I was not expecting them to be so personable! I have 
> heard they are a small operation, but they *are* famous in their own 
> right - celebrity machinists, really - yet so kind to a layperson like me.
>
> Here’s the photo I got before the parts shipped. “Whatcha think?” he 
> asked. 
>
> Oh, he knew. He knew he knocked it straight outta the park.
>
> Leah
>
>  
>

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Re: [RBW] Advantages of triple drivetrains (VO post)

[Steve]

So far I 've not noted anyone else posting my particular combination of 
integers; 44-34-24 on a Velocity Orange triple. 
It started out with a 48t big ring, but my late 90s XT rear derailleur 
couldn't quite deal with the 48x36 cross chained combination. I'm smart 
just enough to know that I'm dumb enough to have eventually shifted into 
that combo.  You could say I had more love for the XT RD than I did for the 
48t ring. I replaced the ring with an inexpensive Origin 8  thinking .  I 
wouldn't use it much anyway.

Turns out I really like the 10t increments on the front end.   Shifting 
between the 3 rings with the chain running in the middle cogs yields steps 
of ~ 10 gear inches. Over the right terrain I've been able to amuse myself 
by using only the front derailleur. 

Steve  


On Thursday, January 11, 2024 at 12:29:16 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:

> "Can those Ultegra triples be found in a square taper or are they all 
> Octalink?"
>
> All Octalink. The previous gen 7/8-spd era Ultegra square taper (600 
> tri-color) were all doubles, if you search long and hard you can find 105 
> triples from that period but I don't think many were produced. 
>
> Joe Bernard 
>
> On Thursday, January 11, 2024 at 7:05:47 AM UTC-8 Tim Bantham wrote:
>
>> Can those Ultegra triples be found in a square taper or are they all 
>> Octalink?
>>
>> On Wednesday, January 10, 2024 at 8:23:10 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> Ultegra 52x42x30 makes a nice compact double.  Just remove the 52 (free) 
>>> and put a guard in its place ($15).  Now you've got a 42x30 with the 
>>> ability to put a smaller ring on the 74 bcd if need be.  The skeleton key 
>>> is indeed a useful FD.  
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, January 10, 2024 at 4:42:09 PM UTC-8 Will M wrote:
>>>
 Diff'rent strokes for diff'rent folks!  

 I swapped out an Ultegra 52x42x30 for a RBW/Silver 42x28 and never 
 looked back.  (Yes, that little Microshift "skeleton key" front derailer 
 is 
 brilliant).  And my Yuba cargo bike got the RBW/Silver 38x24 because the 
 44x34x24 offered no advantages for a bike that is 100% about transporting 
 "cargo" (kids) in a city.  I get the appeal of 1X's, but some of the 
 analog 
 Yuba long-wheelbase cargo bikes that were spec'ed as 1X got a reputation 
 for throwing chains under load.  Never understood why. 

 @ Ron Mc: Love the half-step setup.  Love! Have you seen John 
 Schubert's article "Half Step: The Gearing Choice for the Retrogrouch 
 "?
  
 (Adventure Cyclist magazine, March 2002)  My bucket list includes a 1983 
 Specialized Sequoia with this drivetrain. :-)  

 Cheers,
 Will 
 NYC

 On Wednesday, January 10, 2024 at 10:43:48 AM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:

> I did that for years with 48/38/28 triples and close ratio (13-21 
> commuting, 12-19 gofast) 7 speed drivetrains. It worked well, with most 
> riding in the middle ring. ?This ws
>
> On Tue, Jan 9, 2024 at 5:02 PM Andrew Turner  
> wrote:
>
>> I love a triple paired with an 8 speed or less corncob cassette 
>> matched to downtube shifters. That's an amazing roadie configuration 
>> right 
>> there. Not to mention bomb proof. But I think what rides equally as nice 
>> is 
>> 11 speed 2x setups with a wide range cassette in the rear. The choice 
>> for 
>> me comes down to looks and vanity. Ron Mc's teaser drivetrain pic is 
>> really 
>> scratching an itch for me though! 
>> On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 5:36:47 PM UTC-6 DavidP wrote:
>>
>>> I have a couple of bikes with 46/30 front rings and 11-34 cassettes; 
>>> I end up mainly using them like a double 1x (no, I don't use the 46x11) 
>>> and 
>>> for these bikes I like it fine.
>>>
>>> In line with Bill's point, pairing a smaller front step with a wider 
>>> range cassette (but not too crazy) can work well. I recently ended up 
>>> with 
>>> a 2x9, 42/34 x 11-40t setup on a bike and it's pretty nice for general 
>>> use. 
>>> The smaller front step allows getting over rolling hills using front 
>>> shifts 
>>> only, it's got great range (.85:1 - 3.8:1) and still doesn't end up 
>>> with a 
>>> bunch of simultaneous front/rear shifting. And the 34t small ring lets 
>>> you 
>>> use a standard 110 double crank.
>>>
>>> -Dave
>>> On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 6:13:54 PM UTC-5 J J wrote:
>>>
 Steven, thanks for the point about how useful triples are for 
 riding with big loads, whether for touring, day tripping, shopping, 
 whatever. I frequently haul loads up hills on my already-heavy Rivs, 
 so a 
 wide gear range with 24-34-44  or a 26-36-46 triple and a 34- or 
 36-tooth 
 large rear 

Re: [RBW] Re: Feeler: ISO extra-small 26er?

[J L]

While all the bikes OP listed are great vehicles, none of them fit the brief. 
If the brief is “Lighter, more roadish, with drop bars…” for someone 5’ in 
height, I would look for used Georgina Terry bikes. Terry is an accomplished 
and innovative bicycle designer and frame builder. She builds custom bicycles 
now and has offered many production models in the past. Many of her designs 
utilize two different wheel sizes (24” front, 700c rear) to allow for the top 
tube length and stand over height to match the needs of short stature riders. 

She also offered bicycles with 650c (571) and later, 26” (559) wheels. Her 26” 
(559) bikes tend to be designed around Rene Herse Elk Pass 26x1.25 tires. 

The flea bay has beautiful blue Waterford built Terry Gale Force road frame for 
559 wheels. I messages OP directly with this suggestion. 

Another used bicycle option is searching for 650c bikes. We know from list 
member Patrick M. that 571x23 and 559x32 work on the same frames. Elk Pass 
tires tend to run a little narrow at 29-30mm so width is usually not an issue 
either. A discerning eye can separate the old time trial bikes from the small 
wheel road bicycles. Also on the flea bay is a nice steel Davidson, though the 
top tube might be too long for this use.  

There are many current options using this 650c route on the bay, including a 
super inexpensive Terry size 50x50cm square. Which is too large for OP’s spouse 
but would be a nice bike for someone in the 5’2” range.

JL from SF

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Re: [RBW] Re: Who’s getting a Platypus tomorrow?

[Steve]

Tio - I meant to ask about the bag -- Inverted MTB portage bag?

On Thursday, January 11, 2024 at 7:18:31 PM UTC-5 Steve wrote:

> Tio, you've got yourself a good looking Platypus there!!!   It's always 
> nice to see another Man On A Mixte.   Enjoy!!!
>
> Steve
> Platypus
> Ritchey Outback
> Sampson Silverton 650b conversion
> On Thursday, January 11, 2024 at 12:38:44 PM UTC-5 tio ryan wrote:
>
>> After years of admiration, I finally talked myself into purchasing a 50cm 
>> Platypus complete (Sergio Green) back in November. It arrived mid-December 
>> and brought my current fleet of bikes to 3, each with a different wheel 
>> size: 26", 700c, and now 650b. This purchase was also my first brand new 
>> complete bicycle in over 25 years. I chose the complete since I liked the 
>> cranks/wheels, but knowing how much I like to tinker I should have realized 
>> it wouldn't stay that way for long. 
>>
>> I rode the bike stock for a short while before eventually changing out 
>> the shifters, brakes, bars/stem, seatpost, and adding on a campee rack, 
>> kickstand, and most recently, sks bluemels. I also swapped the chainrings 
>> for my preferred biopace style in a 44/28 combo with a front derailer 
>> delete since I don't need it right now (and the stock one is ugly). With 
>> these changes, this bike is beginning to feel like 'my own' and I've never 
>> owned such a nice bicycle! Here's a photo of how mine looks currently:
>>
>>  [image: platy.jpeg]
>>
>> Bars: Nitto Albatross w/ Control Tech extensions
>> Shifter: Suntour Power Ratchet
>> Brakes: Shimano DXR MX70
>> Pedals: Simworks Taco 
>>
>> It took me a minute to realize the easiest way to carry the bike up to my 
>> 3rd floor apartment is by shouldering it through the rear triangle. Since 
>> learning this, I've had no problem getting the bike in and out of my 
>> apartment, despite it's longer length. My favourite modification is the 
>> upside down shoulder bag that I copied from Roman. Combined with the 
>> kickstand, it provides the perfect place to rest my feet while seated on a 
>> bench. At traffic lights, it's a very comfortable place to sit! 
>>
>> I am absolutely loving this bike and I'm ecstatic to finally own a Riv. 
>> On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 9:41:29 AM UTC-5 Tim Bantham wrote:
>>
>>> My Platypus complete in Sergio's Green has landed. Swapped out the Tosco 
>>> bars for Billies. Installing a Sims Obento front rack and basket next. I've 
>>> got a long wait until spring! 
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 9:17:00 AM UTC-5 sarahlik...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 What a delight for your wife to see this under the Christmas tree!

 Sarah

 On Monday, January 8, 2024 at 11:13:52 AM UTC-8 Josh C wrote:

> [image: IMG_0972.jpg]
> Should have reported back sooner but the bike did come in time for 
> Christmas. 
> On Monday, December 11, 2023 at 8:59:06 AM UTC-5 sarahlik...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Joe! Don't get shiny ball syndrome! You have a most excellent frame 
>> on its way to you!
>>
>> On Sunday, December 10, 2023 at 9:50:23 AM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> It's so exciting! I can't wait to see your new Purple Platy and all 
>>> the other new bikes out there. Gosh, now I kinda wish *I* was getting a 
>>> new 
>>> frame... 樂
>>>
>>> Joe " wishin' and hopin' " Bernard 
>>>
>>> On Sunday, December 10, 2023 at 5:47:48 AM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>>> Ding! wrote:
>>>
 They are trickling in. Mine arrives Wednesday. I hope you get your 
 wife’s in time! 

 On Dec 10, 2023, at 8:44 AM, Josh C  wrote:

 I was just going to ask if anyone had received theirs yet. Hoping 
 to put my wife's under the tree...or near it I guess. 



 On Tuesday, October 24, 2023 at 1:52:52 PM UTC-4 Arthur Mayfield 
 wrote:

> My Mermaid Platypus 55 frame arrived today (apparently found in 
> their stock from last year). This is an *elegant* bike-to-be! All 
> you who ordered frames or bikes have a real treat coming! I’m waiting 
> for 
> wheels to be built, so plenty of time for frame-saving the tubes and 
> ceramic coating the paint before building it up. I already had a B-68 
> and 
> crankset, derailleurs, cassettes, brakes, stem, bars, racks, fenders, 
> etc, 
> so it will go together quickly when the wheels get here. I have a 
> blue Sam 
> 52 (caliper brakes, 650B) in *really* nice condition that will 
> likely go on the market when I get the Platypus put together, btw. 
> I’m in 
> NC.
>
> On Saturday, October 21, 2023 at 7:51:25 PM UTC-4 RBW Owners Bunch 
> wrote:
>
>> Peter, great info re: the Mardi Gras colors! I'm thinking of 
>> gold + green, harlequin-style, for the purple 

Re: [RBW] Re: Who’s getting a Platypus tomorrow?

[Steve]

Tio, you've got yourself a good looking Platypus there!!!   It's always 
nice to see another Man On A Mixte.   Enjoy!!!

Steve
Platypus
Ritchey Outback
Sampson Silverton 650b conversion
On Thursday, January 11, 2024 at 12:38:44 PM UTC-5 tio ryan wrote:

> After years of admiration, I finally talked myself into purchasing a 50cm 
> Platypus complete (Sergio Green) back in November. It arrived mid-December 
> and brought my current fleet of bikes to 3, each with a different wheel 
> size: 26", 700c, and now 650b. This purchase was also my first brand new 
> complete bicycle in over 25 years. I chose the complete since I liked the 
> cranks/wheels, but knowing how much I like to tinker I should have realized 
> it wouldn't stay that way for long. 
>
> I rode the bike stock for a short while before eventually changing out the 
> shifters, brakes, bars/stem, seatpost, and adding on a campee rack, 
> kickstand, and most recently, sks bluemels. I also swapped the chainrings 
> for my preferred biopace style in a 44/28 combo with a front derailer 
> delete since I don't need it right now (and the stock one is ugly). With 
> these changes, this bike is beginning to feel like 'my own' and I've never 
> owned such a nice bicycle! Here's a photo of how mine looks currently:
>
>  [image: platy.jpeg]
>
> Bars: Nitto Albatross w/ Control Tech extensions
> Shifter: Suntour Power Ratchet
> Brakes: Shimano DXR MX70
> Pedals: Simworks Taco 
>
> It took me a minute to realize the easiest way to carry the bike up to my 
> 3rd floor apartment is by shouldering it through the rear triangle. Since 
> learning this, I've had no problem getting the bike in and out of my 
> apartment, despite it's longer length. My favourite modification is the 
> upside down shoulder bag that I copied from Roman. Combined with the 
> kickstand, it provides the perfect place to rest my feet while seated on a 
> bench. At traffic lights, it's a very comfortable place to sit! 
>
> I am absolutely loving this bike and I'm ecstatic to finally own a Riv. 
> On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 9:41:29 AM UTC-5 Tim Bantham wrote:
>
>> My Platypus complete in Sergio's Green has landed. Swapped out the Tosco 
>> bars for Billies. Installing a Sims Obento front rack and basket next. I've 
>> got a long wait until spring! 
>>
>> On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 9:17:00 AM UTC-5 sarahlik...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> What a delight for your wife to see this under the Christmas tree!
>>>
>>> Sarah
>>>
>>> On Monday, January 8, 2024 at 11:13:52 AM UTC-8 Josh C wrote:
>>>
 [image: IMG_0972.jpg]
 Should have reported back sooner but the bike did come in time for 
 Christmas. 
 On Monday, December 11, 2023 at 8:59:06 AM UTC-5 sarahlik...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Joe! Don't get shiny ball syndrome! You have a most excellent frame on 
> its way to you!
>
> On Sunday, December 10, 2023 at 9:50:23 AM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> It's so exciting! I can't wait to see your new Purple Platy and all 
>> the other new bikes out there. Gosh, now I kinda wish *I* was getting a 
>> new 
>> frame... 樂
>>
>> Joe " wishin' and hopin' " Bernard 
>>
>> On Sunday, December 10, 2023 at 5:47:48 AM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>> Ding! wrote:
>>
>>> They are trickling in. Mine arrives Wednesday. I hope you get your 
>>> wife’s in time! 
>>>
>>> On Dec 10, 2023, at 8:44 AM, Josh C  wrote:
>>>
>>> I was just going to ask if anyone had received theirs yet. Hoping 
>>> to put my wife's under the tree...or near it I guess. 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, October 24, 2023 at 1:52:52 PM UTC-4 Arthur Mayfield 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 My Mermaid Platypus 55 frame arrived today (apparently found in 
 their stock from last year). This is an *elegant* bike-to-be! All 
 you who ordered frames or bikes have a real treat coming! I’m waiting 
 for 
 wheels to be built, so plenty of time for frame-saving the tubes and 
 ceramic coating the paint before building it up. I already had a B-68 
 and 
 crankset, derailleurs, cassettes, brakes, stem, bars, racks, fenders, 
 etc, 
 so it will go together quickly when the wheels get here. I have a blue 
 Sam 
 52 (caliper brakes, 650B) in *really* nice condition that will 
 likely go on the market when I get the Platypus put together, btw. I’m 
 in 
 NC.

 On Saturday, October 21, 2023 at 7:51:25 PM UTC-4 RBW Owners Bunch 
 wrote:

> Peter, great info re: the Mardi Gras colors! I'm thinking of 
> gold + green, harlequin-style, for the purple bike. 
>
> (I'm also remembering the smell of sweet olive blossoms and the 
> taste of a real beignet and the sound of Preservation Hall...my mom 
> was 
> born there and I love to visit!)
>

Re: [RBW] Re: Who’s getting a Platypus tomorrow?

[Leah Peterson]

Welcome to the Platypus Club, friend! It is great to hear how well the bike is working out for you and reading about the Riv magic you’re experiencing. I really have not found the weakness of the Platypus. It’s pretty perfect. I like your modifications, as well. It will be enjoyable to watch you change it up and adapt it to your riding style. Post pics now and then, when you think of it!Leah On Jan 11, 2024, at 12:38 PM, tio ryan  wrote:After years of admiration, I finally talked myself into purchasing a 50cm Platypus complete (Sergio Green) back in November. It arrived mid-December and brought my current fleet of bikes to 3, each with a different wheel size: 26", 700c, and now 650b. This purchase was also my first brand new complete bicycle in over 25 years. I chose the complete since I liked the cranks/wheels, but knowing how much I like to tinker I should have realized it wouldn't stay that way for long. I rode the bike stock for a short while before eventually changing out the shifters, brakes, bars/stem, seatpost, and adding on a campee rack, kickstand, and most recently, sks bluemels. I also swapped the chainrings for my preferred biopace style in a 44/28 combo with a front derailer delete since I don't need it right now (and the stock one is ugly). With these changes, this bike is beginning to feel like 'my own' and I've never owned such a nice bicycle! Here's a photo of how mine looks currently: Bars: Nitto Albatross w/ Control Tech extensionsShifter: Suntour Power RatchetBrakes: Shimano DXR MX70Pedals: Simworks Taco It took me a minute to realize the easiest way to carry the bike up to my 3rd floor apartment is by shouldering it through the rear triangle. Since learning this, I've had no problem getting the bike in and out of my apartment, despite it's longer length. My favourite modification is the upside down shoulder bag that I copied from Roman. Combined with the kickstand, it provides the perfect place to rest my feet while seated on a bench. At traffic lights, it's a very comfortable place to sit! I am absolutely loving this bike and I'm ecstatic to finally own a Riv. On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 9:41:29 AM UTC-5 Tim Bantham wrote:My Platypus complete in Sergio's Green has landed. Swapped out the Tosco bars for Billies. Installing a Sims Obento front rack and basket next. I've got a long wait until spring! On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 9:17:00 AM UTC-5 sarahlik...@gmail.com wrote:What a delight for your wife to see this under the Christmas tree!SarahOn Monday, January 8, 2024 at 11:13:52 AM UTC-8 Josh C wrote:Should have reported back sooner but the bike did come in time for Christmas. On Monday, December 11, 2023 at 8:59:06 AM UTC-5 sarahlik...@gmail.com wrote:Joe! Don't get shiny ball syndrome! You have a most excellent frame on its way to you!On Sunday, December 10, 2023 at 9:50:23 AM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:It's so exciting! I can't wait to see your new Purple Platy and all the other new bikes out there. Gosh, now I kinda wish *I* was getting a new frame... 樂Joe " wishin' and hopin' " Bernard On Sunday, December 10, 2023 at 5:47:48 AM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:They are trickling in. Mine arrives Wednesday. I hope you get your wife’s in time! On Dec 10, 2023, at 8:44 AM, Josh C  wrote:I was just going to ask if anyone had received theirs yet. Hoping to put my wife's under the tree...or near it I guess. On Tuesday, October 24, 2023 at 1:52:52 PM UTC-4 Arthur Mayfield wrote:My Mermaid Platypus 55 frame arrived today (apparently found in their stock from last year). This is an elegant bike-to-be! All you who ordered frames or bikes have a real treat coming! I’m waiting for wheels to be built, so plenty of time for frame-saving the tubes and ceramic coating the paint before building it up. I already had a B-68 and crankset, derailleurs, cassettes, brakes, stem, bars, racks, fenders, etc, so it will go together quickly when the wheels get here. I have a blue Sam 52 (caliper brakes, 650B) in really nice condition that will likely go on the market when I get the Platypus put together, btw. I’m in NC.On Saturday, October 21, 2023 at 7:51:25 PM UTC-4 RBW Owners Bunch wrote:Peter, great info re: the Mardi Gras colors! I'm thinking of gold + green, harlequin-style, for the purple bike. (I'm also remembering the smell of sweet olive blossoms and the taste of a real beignet and the sound of Preservation Hall...my mom was born there and I love to visit!)S.On Sat, Oct 21, 2023 at 12:00 PM Peter Adler  wrote:Green + purple + yellow = Mardi Gras bike. Go to New Orleans during the season, and all the plastic beads thrown from the parade floats are in those three colors. Maybe yellow bar tape or water bottles.Peter "laisse les bons temps rouler sur vélo" AdlerBerkeley, CAOn Thursday, October 19, 2023 at 7:04:20 AM UTC-7 Josh C wrote:I’m hoping to snag a 50cm green complete for my wife. I’ve had several Rivs and she’s never had the experience. She’s 

Re: [RBW] Re: Feeler: ISO extra-small 26er?

[Ian A]

Perhaps this RH journal post would give a bit more 
context 
https://www.renehersecycles.com/performance-is-important-for-slow-riders-too/

Either way, a well written article invoking wonder in the reader. So many 
beautiful places to explore in this world. 

IanA


On Thursday, January 11, 2024 at 3:50:26 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:

> She is the one; Thanks. I have 1 or 2 photos of her riding gravel on Elk 
> Passes on her custom -- Path hunter? All rounder? Country bike? a Jobstian 
> "road bike is all you need"? -- bicycle with Elk passes; copied largely for 
> her perfect hoods riding position; but those photos are on another computer.
>
> On Thu, Jan 11, 2024 at 3:41 PM Ian A  wrote:
>
>> Hi Partick,
>>
>> That would be Natsuko Hirose I believe (I could be wrong and normally 
>> am). 
>> https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Bqn2MZJw9-Q=ygUZQWxsIHJvYWQgY3ljbGluZyBpbiBqYXBhbg%3D%3D
>>
>> IanA
>>
>> On Thursday, January 11, 2024 at 3:06:29 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> +1 for an XO-?-type bike; if a custom all the better since the XO-1, at 
>> least, and I daresay the other XOs, was very capable of improvement. I 
>> would wonder whether a Long Haul Trucker is overbuilt for someone so small. 
>>
>> The principal liability of a wheel size other than 700C is the number and 
>> type and quality of tires available, but I've been surprised at how many 
>> good road-ish 559 tires are currently for sale. I guess that the question 
>> is even more pertinent for 24" tires.
>>
>> A custom that can take 559 X 28 mm Elk Passes and 42 mm Naches Passes is 
>> very nice.
>>
>> I wish I could find and post a photo of Jan Heine's girlfriend (wife?) on 
>> her Elk Pass-shod road bike.
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 11, 2024 at 1:13 PM Dave S  wrote:
>>
>> I have a red 1993 XO-3 48cm kicking around here somewhere.  I'm in NJ.
>>
>> On Thursday, January 11, 2024 at 12:46:08 PM UTC-5 Michael Morrissey 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Everyone,
>>
>> I'm thinking about getting a new bike for my wife. Currently, she has a 
>> Trek FX. She likes it a lot, but I can't help but think it doesn't fit her 
>> right. She is 5 feet tall, yet the bike has 700x35 tires. The frame is 
>> small but I think it's crazy to have an extra-small bike with the biggest 
>> wheel size. Google "Trek FX 13 inch" and look at this ridiculously 
>> proportioned bicycle. It looks like a penny-farthing.
>>
>> I think she would be much more comfortable on a steel 26" wheeled bike. I 
>> especially like it because I already own 3 vintage 26" mountain bikes as 
>> parts sources. She has expressed interest in getting a lighter bike, more 
>> roadish, with drop bars. She really likes the color blue, so I want to get 
>> her a blue bike. I spoke with a local custom builder, who loved the idea 
>> and quoted me $1800 for a custom frame. 
>>
>> I've got an eBay notification going for the Surly Long Haul Trucker in 
>> extra-small 42cm. This would check all my boxes. 
>>
>> I was wondering if anyone has experience (or ones they will get rid of 
>> cheap) with the smallest of touring bikes: 
>> Joe Appaloosa in 46cm
>> Atlantis in 47cm?
>> Surly Long Haul Trucker or Disc Trucker in 42cm
>> Clem Smith / Clementine in 45cm 
>> Buy another old Gary Fisher and add drop bars and call it a day? 
>> Others???
>>
>> I'd even consider a 24" wheeled bike for her. Crust bikes made a 
>> Romanceur in 24". Salsa makes a 24" gravel bike that looks really nice too.
>>
>> If anyone has one we could try, we are in NYC.
>>
>> Thanks! 
>>
>> Michael 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Feeler: ISO extra-small 26er?

[Patrick Moore]

She is the one; Thanks. I have 1 or 2 photos of her riding gravel on Elk
Passes on her custom -- Path hunter? All rounder? Country bike? a Jobstian
"road bike is all you need"? -- bicycle with Elk passes; copied largely for
her perfect hoods riding position; but those photos are on another computer.

On Thu, Jan 11, 2024 at 3:41 PM Ian A  wrote:

> Hi Partick,
>
> That would be Natsuko Hirose I believe (I could be wrong and normally am).
> https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Bqn2MZJw9-Q=ygUZQWxsIHJvYWQgY3ljbGluZyBpbiBqYXBhbg%3D%3D
>
> IanA
>
> On Thursday, January 11, 2024 at 3:06:29 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> +1 for an XO-?-type bike; if a custom all the better since the XO-1, at
> least, and I daresay the other XOs, was very capable of improvement. I
> would wonder whether a Long Haul Trucker is overbuilt for someone so small.
>
> The principal liability of a wheel size other than 700C is the number and
> type and quality of tires available, but I've been surprised at how many
> good road-ish 559 tires are currently for sale. I guess that the question
> is even more pertinent for 24" tires.
>
> A custom that can take 559 X 28 mm Elk Passes and 42 mm Naches Passes is
> very nice.
>
> I wish I could find and post a photo of Jan Heine's girlfriend (wife?) on
> her Elk Pass-shod road bike.
>
> On Thu, Jan 11, 2024 at 1:13 PM Dave S  wrote:
>
> I have a red 1993 XO-3 48cm kicking around here somewhere.  I'm in NJ.
>
> On Thursday, January 11, 2024 at 12:46:08 PM UTC-5 Michael Morrissey wrote:
>
> Hi Everyone,
>
> I'm thinking about getting a new bike for my wife. Currently, she has a
> Trek FX. She likes it a lot, but I can't help but think it doesn't fit her
> right. She is 5 feet tall, yet the bike has 700x35 tires. The frame is
> small but I think it's crazy to have an extra-small bike with the biggest
> wheel size. Google "Trek FX 13 inch" and look at this ridiculously
> proportioned bicycle. It looks like a penny-farthing.
>
> I think she would be much more comfortable on a steel 26" wheeled bike. I
> especially like it because I already own 3 vintage 26" mountain bikes as
> parts sources. She has expressed interest in getting a lighter bike, more
> roadish, with drop bars. She really likes the color blue, so I want to get
> her a blue bike. I spoke with a local custom builder, who loved the idea
> and quoted me $1800 for a custom frame.
>
> I've got an eBay notification going for the Surly Long Haul Trucker in
> extra-small 42cm. This would check all my boxes.
>
> I was wondering if anyone has experience (or ones they will get rid of
> cheap) with the smallest of touring bikes:
> Joe Appaloosa in 46cm
> Atlantis in 47cm?
> Surly Long Haul Trucker or Disc Trucker in 42cm
> Clem Smith / Clementine in 45cm
> Buy another old Gary Fisher and add drop bars and call it a day?
> Others???
>
> I'd even consider a 24" wheeled bike for her. Crust bikes made a Romanceur
> in 24". Salsa makes a 24" gravel bike that looks really nice too.
>
> If anyone has one we could try, we are in NYC.
>
> Thanks!
>
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Re: [RBW] headset indexing?

[Patrick Moore]

Applies to loose ball headsets only, as others have indicated. Cartridge
bearing hs's seems to last forever at least with a bit of care in initial
bearing pre-load.

On Thu, Jan 11, 2024 at 3:44 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> To get more use out of an indexed hs, try rotating the top bearing cup.
> The old loose ball Dura Ace headset I had on one my my nice mountain bikes
> started indexing, and I fixed it by rotating the top bearing cup by 90* and
> carefully re-adjusting bearing load. I daresay that the problem was caused
> by too much load when I first installed the headset.
>
> On Thu, Jan 11, 2024 at 9:20 AM Richard Rose  wrote:
>
>> ... Is my headset toast or just not adjusted correctly?
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Re: [RBW] headset indexing?

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To get more use out of an indexed hs, try rotating the top bearing cup. The
old loose ball Dura Ace headset I had on one my my nice mountain bikes
started indexing, and I fixed it by rotating the top bearing cup by 90* and
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by too much load when I first installed the headset.

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> ... Is my headset toast or just not adjusted correctly?

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Re: [RBW] Re: Feeler: ISO extra-small 26er?

[Ian A]

Hi Partick,

That would be Natsuko Hirose I believe (I could be wrong and normally 
am). 
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Bqn2MZJw9-Q=ygUZQWxsIHJvYWQgY3ljbGluZyBpbiBqYXBhbg%3D%3D

IanA

On Thursday, January 11, 2024 at 3:06:29 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:

+1 for an XO-?-type bike; if a custom all the better since the XO-1, at 
least, and I daresay the other XOs, was very capable of improvement. I 
would wonder whether a Long Haul Trucker is overbuilt for someone so small. 

The principal liability of a wheel size other than 700C is the number and 
type and quality of tires available, but I've been surprised at how many 
good road-ish 559 tires are currently for sale. I guess that the question 
is even more pertinent for 24" tires.

A custom that can take 559 X 28 mm Elk Passes and 42 mm Naches Passes is 
very nice.

I wish I could find and post a photo of Jan Heine's girlfriend (wife?) on 
her Elk Pass-shod road bike.

On Thu, Jan 11, 2024 at 1:13 PM Dave S  wrote:

I have a red 1993 XO-3 48cm kicking around here somewhere.  I'm in NJ.

On Thursday, January 11, 2024 at 12:46:08 PM UTC-5 Michael Morrissey wrote:

Hi Everyone,

I'm thinking about getting a new bike for my wife. Currently, she has a 
Trek FX. She likes it a lot, but I can't help but think it doesn't fit her 
right. She is 5 feet tall, yet the bike has 700x35 tires. The frame is 
small but I think it's crazy to have an extra-small bike with the biggest 
wheel size. Google "Trek FX 13 inch" and look at this ridiculously 
proportioned bicycle. It looks like a penny-farthing.

I think she would be much more comfortable on a steel 26" wheeled bike. I 
especially like it because I already own 3 vintage 26" mountain bikes as 
parts sources. She has expressed interest in getting a lighter bike, more 
roadish, with drop bars. She really likes the color blue, so I want to get 
her a blue bike. I spoke with a local custom builder, who loved the idea 
and quoted me $1800 for a custom frame. 

I've got an eBay notification going for the Surly Long Haul Trucker in 
extra-small 42cm. This would check all my boxes. 

I was wondering if anyone has experience (or ones they will get rid of 
cheap) with the smallest of touring bikes: 
Joe Appaloosa in 46cm
Atlantis in 47cm?
Surly Long Haul Trucker or Disc Trucker in 42cm
Clem Smith / Clementine in 45cm 
Buy another old Gary Fisher and add drop bars and call it a day? 
Others???

I'd even consider a 24" wheeled bike for her. Crust bikes made a Romanceur 
in 24". Salsa makes a 24" gravel bike that looks really nice too.

If anyone has one we could try, we are in NYC.

Thanks! 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Why do some bikes just feel consistently faster?

[Patrick Moore]

Oh, one more tangentially related remark: The best bikers I've owned for
rear load carrying have had light and flexy frames; most notably the 1973
Motobecane Grand Record whose frame felt so light compared to that 2003 Riv
Curt custom and was noticeably more flexible. The flexy-flyer early -ed
Raleigh Technium sports tourer also carried rear loads very well, better
than the current 2020 Matthews; and the current .8 .4 .8 normal gauge 531
2020 Matthews, if not the best load carrier, does as well as the over-stiff
2003 Curt and the 2nd gen Rambouillet; Tubus Flys, tho' the 2003 later had
a Matthews custom rack and the 2020's Fly was modified in by Bilenky to,
among other things, to sit lower over the shorter, 26" wheel.

On Thu, Jan 11, 2024 at 3:29 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> I'm sure weight makes a difference; I'm not convinced it makes all the
> difference since I've had at least a couple of bikes that consistently felt
> "faster" despite weighing 10 or 12+ lbs more than the 1999. I expect as
> others have said that it is a happy coincidence of weight, flex, tires,
> fit, and position.
>
> The 2 Matthews -- fat tire road bike for dirt, 26" wheel road bike for
> errands -- actually have, I think, thinner tubing and lighter frames,
> proportions preserved, than the 1999. The 2020 Matthews errand bike frame
> was deliberately built with lighter, more flexible tubes than the 2003 Riv
> Goodrich custom which cloned the 1999, and indeed, with Elk Passes, I began
> to think that it might even be faster than the 1999 despite it's 8 or 10 lb
> greater weight. It feels fast with the el NPs but no longer a competitor to
> the 1999. The 622 fat tire Matthews felt almost as fast with the Big Ones
> (and only slightly slower again with the Somas, preferred for their
> pavement handling) and despite a 12 or 13 lb weight difference, but part of
> that may have been the "feel" of longer 175 mm cranks, tho this too had
> thinwall (OS) tubing.
>
> But again: the 1958 Herse felt (consistently over 18 or 24 months) 1 cog
> faster than "usual" despite thick-wall tubes that caused 2 other owners to
> pass it on cheap, heavy weight (forget, but it must have been at least 28
> lb if not more with racks), and ho-hum 32 mm Paselas. Tho' the thick-wall
> tubing was normal gauge.
>
> Again, all of these and my other bikes have been set up for largely the
> same riding position.
>
> Too look at the question from the reverse -- What made a bike feel so slow
> and awkward? -- the Monocog is a good instance, tho' it's current and
> improved "feel" is merely "nice" and not superlative. When I got it, with
> stiff, heavily knobbed and IIRC wire bead tires, OEM wide (2012) bar, and
> 172 mm Q crank, it just felt penitential to ride, on dirt and certainly on
> pavement. Supple (relatively) WTB Rangers, 156 mm Q crank, close-in 44 cm
> (hoods) drop bar with no ramps, tiny-reach upjutter stem (7 cm along
> extension, 30 or 35* rise), now it's actually fun to ride. What hasn't
> changed is the girder-stiff tubing.
>
> On Tue, Jan 9, 2024 at 1:22 PM 'John Hawrylak, Woodstown NJ' via RBW
> Owners Bunch  wrote:
>
>> Bill L questioned the 12# weight difference.
>>
>> I sort of missed the 12#, mainly since Bike D was stated to 'feel fast'
>> and I assumed B & C would use heavier tubing due to the 73 to 75# load
>> requirement and A must be thick gauge tubing given the 30# weight (Schwinns
>> in the 1980"s used 1010 18 gauge tubing in lugged frames and quoted 30 to
>> 32# weights).
>>
>> I admit D should be about 1 mph faster than the A, B C due to the 11 to
>> 13# weight difference (basis R Schwinn stated Schwinn tests showed 12#
>> change in frame resulted in a 1 mph change with same effort).   I focused
>> on the 'feel fast' vs 'tested and shown faster'.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Why do some bikes just feel consistently faster?

[Patrick Moore]

I'm sure weight makes a difference; I'm not convinced it makes all the
difference since I've had at least a couple of bikes that consistently felt
"faster" despite weighing 10 or 12+ lbs more than the 1999. I expect as
others have said that it is a happy coincidence of weight, flex, tires,
fit, and position.

The 2 Matthews -- fat tire road bike for dirt, 26" wheel road bike for
errands -- actually have, I think, thinner tubing and lighter frames,
proportions preserved, than the 1999. The 2020 Matthews errand bike frame
was deliberately built with lighter, more flexible tubes than the 2003 Riv
Goodrich custom which cloned the 1999, and indeed, with Elk Passes, I began
to think that it might even be faster than the 1999 despite it's 8 or 10 lb
greater weight. It feels fast with the el NPs but no longer a competitor to
the 1999. The 622 fat tire Matthews felt almost as fast with the Big Ones
(and only slightly slower again with the Somas, preferred for their
pavement handling) and despite a 12 or 13 lb weight difference, but part of
that may have been the "feel" of longer 175 mm cranks, tho this too had
thinwall (OS) tubing.

But again: the 1958 Herse felt (consistently over 18 or 24 months) 1 cog
faster than "usual" despite thick-wall tubes that caused 2 other owners to
pass it on cheap, heavy weight (forget, but it must have been at least 28
lb if not more with racks), and ho-hum 32 mm Paselas. Tho' the thick-wall
tubing was normal gauge.

Again, all of these and my other bikes have been set up for largely the
same riding position.

Too look at the question from the reverse -- What made a bike feel so slow
and awkward? -- the Monocog is a good instance, tho' it's current and
improved "feel" is merely "nice" and not superlative. When I got it, with
stiff, heavily knobbed and IIRC wire bead tires, OEM wide (2012) bar, and
172 mm Q crank, it just felt penitential to ride, on dirt and certainly on
pavement. Supple (relatively) WTB Rangers, 156 mm Q crank, close-in 44 cm
(hoods) drop bar with no ramps, tiny-reach upjutter stem (7 cm along
extension, 30 or 35* rise), now it's actually fun to ride. What hasn't
changed is the girder-stiff tubing.

On Tue, Jan 9, 2024 at 1:22 PM 'John Hawrylak, Woodstown NJ' via RBW Owners
Bunch  wrote:

> Bill L questioned the 12# weight difference.
>
> I sort of missed the 12#, mainly since Bike D was stated to 'feel fast'
> and I assumed B & C would use heavier tubing due to the 73 to 75# load
> requirement and A must be thick gauge tubing given the 30# weight (Schwinns
> in the 1980"s used 1010 18 gauge tubing in lugged frames and quoted 30 to
> 32# weights).
>
> I admit D should be about 1 mph faster than the A, B C due to the 11 to
> 13# weight difference (basis R Schwinn stated Schwinn tests showed 12#
> change in frame resulted in a 1 mph change with same effort).   I focused
> on the 'feel fast' vs 'tested and shown faster'.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Feeler: ISO extra-small 26er?

[Patrick Moore]

+1 for an XO-?-type bike; if a custom all the better since the XO-1, at
least, and I daresay the other XOs, was very capable of improvement. I
would wonder whether a Long Haul Trucker is overbuilt for someone so small.

The principal liability of a wheel size other than 700C is the number and
type and quality of tires available, but I've been surprised at how many
good road-ish 559 tires are currently for sale. I guess that the question
is even more pertinent for 24" tires.

A custom that can take 559 X 28 mm Elk Passes and 42 mm Naches Passes is
very nice.

I wish I could find and post a photo of Jan Heine's girlfriend (wife?) on
her Elk Pass-shod road bike.

On Thu, Jan 11, 2024 at 1:13 PM Dave S  wrote:

> I have a red 1993 XO-3 48cm kicking around here somewhere.  I'm in NJ.
>
> On Thursday, January 11, 2024 at 12:46:08 PM UTC-5 Michael Morrissey wrote:
>
>> Hi Everyone,
>>
>> I'm thinking about getting a new bike for my wife. Currently, she has a
>> Trek FX. She likes it a lot, but I can't help but think it doesn't fit her
>> right. She is 5 feet tall, yet the bike has 700x35 tires. The frame is
>> small but I think it's crazy to have an extra-small bike with the biggest
>> wheel size. Google "Trek FX 13 inch" and look at this ridiculously
>> proportioned bicycle. It looks like a penny-farthing.
>>
>> I think she would be much more comfortable on a steel 26" wheeled bike. I
>> especially like it because I already own 3 vintage 26" mountain bikes as
>> parts sources. She has expressed interest in getting a lighter bike, more
>> roadish, with drop bars. She really likes the color blue, so I want to get
>> her a blue bike. I spoke with a local custom builder, who loved the idea
>> and quoted me $1800 for a custom frame.
>>
>> I've got an eBay notification going for the Surly Long Haul Trucker in
>> extra-small 42cm. This would check all my boxes.
>>
>> I was wondering if anyone has experience (or ones they will get rid of
>> cheap) with the smallest of touring bikes:
>> Joe Appaloosa in 46cm
>> Atlantis in 47cm?
>> Surly Long Haul Trucker or Disc Trucker in 42cm
>> Clem Smith / Clementine in 45cm
>> Buy another old Gary Fisher and add drop bars and call it a day?
>> Others???
>>
>> I'd even consider a 24" wheeled bike for her. Crust bikes made a
>> Romanceur in 24". Salsa makes a 24" gravel bike that looks really nice too.
>>
>> If anyone has one we could try, we are in NYC.
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Michael
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Re: [RBW] Re: Feeler: ISO extra-small 26er?

[luckyturnip]

Oooh yeah the Neutrino mini Velo! So many build options with that! On Jan 11, 2024, at 13:39, Garth  wrote:A Soma Buena Vista rim brake or disc come in 42cm size and 26" wheels !https://www.somafabshop.com/shop/category/frames-frame-parts-bicycles-frames-990VO has this one :https://velo-orange.com/collections/neutrino-mini-velo/products/neutrino-miniveloOn Thursday, January 11, 2024 at 3:54:30 PM UTC-5 Coal Bee Rye Anne wrote:Nothing to offer for sale, unfortunately,  but I would add a small Salsa Vaya 2 to your list (I don;t know the exact year range where the smallest all took 26" wheels but this is the one I recall specifically looking at:  
2015 Vaya 2 | Salsa Cycles When we last purchased a new bike for my 5' spouse it was narrowed down between the small Vaya 2 (which did have 26" wheels, disc brakes, and drops and came in a nice shade of blue) and the small Velo Orange Camargue (which also takes 26" wheels but canti/v-brakes and was frame only to allow us to build to suit.)  She ended up choosing the VO because she was indifferent on brake type, already had a drop bar road bike and wanted more of a flat bar set-up for a touring type all-rounder, and it was in a shade of green (preferred color) vs. the blue Salsa.On Thursday, January 11, 2024 at 12:46:08 PM UTC-5 Michael Morrissey wrote:Hi Everyone,I'm thinking about getting a new bike for my wife. Currently, she has a Trek FX. She likes it a lot, but I can't help but think it doesn't fit her right. She is 5 feet tall, yet the bike has 700x35 tires. The frame is small but I think it's crazy to have an extra-small bike with the biggest wheel size. Google "Trek FX 13 inch" and look at this ridiculously proportioned bicycle. It looks like a penny-farthing.I think she would be much more comfortable on a steel 26" wheeled bike. I especially like it because I already own 3 vintage 26" mountain bikes as parts sources. She has expressed interest in getting a lighter bike, more roadish, with drop bars. She really likes the color blue, so I want to get her a blue bike. I spoke with a local custom builder, who loved the idea and quoted me $1800 for a custom frame. I've got an eBay notification going for the Surly Long Haul Trucker in extra-small 42cm. This would check all my boxes. I was wondering if anyone has experience (or ones they will get rid of cheap) with the smallest of touring bikes: Joe Appaloosa in 46cmAtlantis in 47cm?Surly Long Haul Trucker or Disc Trucker in 42cmClem Smith / Clementine in 45cm Buy another old Gary Fisher and add drop bars and call it a day? Others???I'd even consider a 24" wheeled bike for her. Crust bikes made a Romanceur in 24". Salsa makes a 24" gravel bike that looks really nice too.If anyone has one we could try, we are in NYC.Thanks! Michael 



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[RBW] Re: Why do some bikes just feel consistently faster?

[Mike Godwin]

I recall "reynoldslugs" (Max Beach) on the ibob list positing thin/slim 
seat stays add to the effect of a bike feeling fast, or least adding to the 
swing effect when pedaling. I tend to agree with him on that when comparing 
my Lemond Zurich and mid-70s Bob Jackson to say a Roadeo.  But, the larger 
diameter stays on my no-longer-in-quiver BMC Road bike had nearly the same 
feel as the Zurich and BJ.  

Yup, its the whole system, let's ride it!
Mike SLO CA 
On Thursday, December 28, 2023 at 2:35:08 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:

> This is hardly a new question for me or for others, but it is a question 
> that strikes me anew when I ride the 1999 Joe Starck and find, once again 
> as always in getting on for 25 years of ownership that *it's just easier 
> to maintain speed and cadence in given conditions in given gears,* this 
> both on the flats and on hills. I remember being struck by this, again at 
> the start of each ride on it, in the first years of ownership.
>
> Tires make a difference, tho' it felt this way with 571 X 23 mm Conti 
> Grands Prix and Michelin Pro Races and with 559 X 23 mm Specialized Turbos; 
> with the slightly wider (27.19 mm rear at 60 psi and 27.49 mm front at 55 
> psi on my 19 mm OW rims) and even lighter and more supple Elk Passes it 
> feels even faster and *smoother.* 
>
> BTW, I wholly discountenance the opinion that harshness or vibration makes 
> riders think they're going fast. At least, perhaps some people do that, but 
> I've always associated harshness with slowness and smoothness with speed. 
> But again, the '99 has always felt *smooth* and *fast.*
>
> What provoked this perennial question was my very pleasant mid-afternoon 
> ride today. My route included about 1 mile of steep hill starting at 
> Broadway and, feeling tired and sluggish and being old I considered 
> swapping the Phil 17/19Dingle wheel (76" and 68") with the SA TF wheel (76" 
> and 57" underdrive), but didn't want the bother and decided I'd just walk 
> if necessary.
>
> I did plan to move the chain to the 19 t/68" gear once I got downtown, but 
> didn't do this, either. Winds variable up to about 7-8 mph.
>
> I took it easy but found myself following some youngster on a thin-tire 
> 700C derailleur hybrid for about 8 miles; I finally caught up to him at the 
> first light on Coal and followed him up the climb. I think he was a UNM 
> student and at least 45 years younger than I, and he put a few yards on me 
> up the hill spinning in a low gear but I was surprised once again (this is 
> the point, don't mind my meandering) at *how well and easily* the bike 
> climbs.
>
> ???
>
> Planing? The frame is not as over-beefy as the 2003 Goodrich custom but 
> it's not as light and certainly has fatter tubes than the wonderful 
> thinwall 531 normal gauge 2020 Matthews replacement of the 2003.
>
> Weight? With the Phil it's right at 18 lb without bottle or bag versus ~28 
> for the Matthews road with F+R racks, fenders, lights, and SA 3 speed hub, 
> and versus the 30-31 lb of the Matthews road-bike-for-dirt with 2X10 
> derailleur drivetrain, 50 mm tires, 2X gauge fenders, dynamo lighting, and 
> rear rack. But it feels fast on the flats at steady-state cruising. I 
> daresay that the weight makes a difference on hills, but I *don't* think 
> that weight is the only reason.
>
> I know that some bikes just fit and feel "perfect," and this is one of 
> them (tho' the 2 Matthewses fit just about the same since I built them up 
> to do so). That old Herse was a tank that 2 earlier owners sold for cheap 
> but for me it rode "fast" if not as fast as the 1999 Joe Starck.
>
> To end this meandering: since so much of my riding is either errands 
> requiring bags or dirt requiring fat tires the 1999 gets ridden less than 
> it otherwise would, but if I had to get ride of all bikes but one, I'd 
> happily keep this and build 1 or 2 alternative wheelsets (geared/skinny, 
> geared/fattish) and buy a bit selection of strap-on saddlebags from repair 
> kit only to Sackville Medium.
>
> I've owned 5 Rivendells including 3 customs and this one is the last (tho' 
> the 2020 Matthews is a copy of the 2003).
>
> Sorry, can't resist posting again:
>
> [image: image.png]
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[RBW] Re: Feeler: ISO extra-small 26er?

[Garth]

A Soma Buena Vista rim brake or disc come in 42cm size and 26" wheels !

https://www.somafabshop.com/shop/category/frames-frame-parts-bicycles-frames-990

VO has this one :

https://velo-orange.com/collections/neutrino-mini-velo/products/neutrino-minivelo


On Thursday, January 11, 2024 at 3:54:30 PM UTC-5 Coal Bee Rye Anne wrote:

> Nothing to offer for sale, unfortunately,  but I would add a small Salsa 
> Vaya 2 to your list (I don;t know the exact year range where the smallest 
> all took 26" wheels but this is the one I recall specifically looking at: 
>   2015 Vaya 2 | Salsa Cycles 
>  
>
> When we last purchased a new bike for my 5' spouse it was narrowed down 
> between the small Vaya 2 (which did have 26" wheels, disc brakes, and drops 
> and came in a nice shade of blue) and the small Velo Orange Camargue (which 
> also takes 26" wheels but canti/v-brakes and was frame only to allow us to 
> build to suit.)  She ended up choosing the VO because she was indifferent 
> on brake type, already had a drop bar road bike and wanted more of a flat 
> bar set-up for a touring type all-rounder, and it was in a shade of green 
> (preferred color) vs. the blue Salsa.
>
>
> On Thursday, January 11, 2024 at 12:46:08 PM UTC-5 Michael Morrissey wrote:
>
>> Hi Everyone,
>>
>> I'm thinking about getting a new bike for my wife. Currently, she has a 
>> Trek FX. She likes it a lot, but I can't help but think it doesn't fit her 
>> right. She is 5 feet tall, yet the bike has 700x35 tires. The frame is 
>> small but I think it's crazy to have an extra-small bike with the biggest 
>> wheel size. Google "Trek FX 13 inch" and look at this ridiculously 
>> proportioned bicycle. It looks like a penny-farthing.
>>
>> I think she would be much more comfortable on a steel 26" wheeled bike. I 
>> especially like it because I already own 3 vintage 26" mountain bikes as 
>> parts sources. She has expressed interest in getting a lighter bike, more 
>> roadish, with drop bars. She really likes the color blue, so I want to get 
>> her a blue bike. I spoke with a local custom builder, who loved the idea 
>> and quoted me $1800 for a custom frame. 
>>
>> I've got an eBay notification going for the Surly Long Haul Trucker in 
>> extra-small 42cm. This would check all my boxes. 
>>
>> I was wondering if anyone has experience (or ones they will get rid of 
>> cheap) with the smallest of touring bikes: 
>> Joe Appaloosa in 46cm
>> Atlantis in 47cm?
>> Surly Long Haul Trucker or Disc Trucker in 42cm
>> Clem Smith / Clementine in 45cm 
>> Buy another old Gary Fisher and add drop bars and call it a day? 
>> Others???
>>
>> I'd even consider a 24" wheeled bike for her. Crust bikes made a 
>> Romanceur in 24". Salsa makes a 24" gravel bike that looks really nice too.
>>
>> If anyone has one we could try, we are in NYC.
>>
>> Thanks! 
>>
>> Michael 
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: 2024 Frame Schedule

[iamkeith]

I admittedly parse these things to heavily, but the thing that struck me 
was the comma between  Charlie Gallop and nu model.  I assume that refers 
to the Charlie itself, but that barely feels new anymore.  Could there be 
something else we don't know about on the horizon, or was this a 
punctuation oversight??

On Thursday, January 11, 2024 at 2:03:05 PM UTC-7 drewfi...@gmail.com wrote:

> Saw this in the last email:
>
>
>- February - Clems
>- March - Lugged Susies - kind of a new model
>- April - Roaduno bikes and frames - new model
>- May - Sam Hillbornes
>- June - Appaloosas
>- July - Platypus bikes and frames
>- August - Charlie Gallop, nu model, bikes and frames, more info later
>- September - Roadini
>
> Been waiting to pick up a Sam for a lng time. Anyone else have plans 
> to pick up a new frame in 2024? 
>
> Also, Looks like the foreboding about the Atlantis going into retirement 
> is holding true with more appaloosas coming in the summer. Anyone out there 
> still pining for that turquoise dream? 
>
> - Drew  
>

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[RBW] 2024 Frame Schedule

[Drew Fitchette]

Saw this in the last email:


   - February - Clems
   - March - Lugged Susies - kind of a new model
   - April - Roaduno bikes and frames - new model
   - May - Sam Hillbornes
   - June - Appaloosas
   - July - Platypus bikes and frames
   - August - Charlie Gallop, nu model, bikes and frames, more info later
   - September - Roadini

Been waiting to pick up a Sam for a lng time. Anyone else have plans to 
pick up a new frame in 2024? 

Also, Looks like the foreboding about the Atlantis going into retirement is 
holding true with more appaloosas coming in the summer. Anyone out there 
still pining for that turquoise dream? 

- Drew  

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[RBW] Re: Feeler: ISO extra-small 26er?

[Coal Bee Rye Anne]

Nothing to offer for sale, unfortunately,  but I would add a small Salsa 
Vaya 2 to your list (I don;t know the exact year range where the smallest 
all took 26" wheels but this is the one I recall specifically looking at: 
  2015 Vaya 2 | Salsa Cycles 
 

When we last purchased a new bike for my 5' spouse it was narrowed down 
between the small Vaya 2 (which did have 26" wheels, disc brakes, and drops 
and came in a nice shade of blue) and the small Velo Orange Camargue (which 
also takes 26" wheels but canti/v-brakes and was frame only to allow us to 
build to suit.)  She ended up choosing the VO because she was indifferent 
on brake type, already had a drop bar road bike and wanted more of a flat 
bar set-up for a touring type all-rounder, and it was in a shade of green 
(preferred color) vs. the blue Salsa.


On Thursday, January 11, 2024 at 12:46:08 PM UTC-5 Michael Morrissey wrote:

> Hi Everyone,
>
> I'm thinking about getting a new bike for my wife. Currently, she has a 
> Trek FX. She likes it a lot, but I can't help but think it doesn't fit her 
> right. She is 5 feet tall, yet the bike has 700x35 tires. The frame is 
> small but I think it's crazy to have an extra-small bike with the biggest 
> wheel size. Google "Trek FX 13 inch" and look at this ridiculously 
> proportioned bicycle. It looks like a penny-farthing.
>
> I think she would be much more comfortable on a steel 26" wheeled bike. I 
> especially like it because I already own 3 vintage 26" mountain bikes as 
> parts sources. She has expressed interest in getting a lighter bike, more 
> roadish, with drop bars. She really likes the color blue, so I want to get 
> her a blue bike. I spoke with a local custom builder, who loved the idea 
> and quoted me $1800 for a custom frame. 
>
> I've got an eBay notification going for the Surly Long Haul Trucker in 
> extra-small 42cm. This would check all my boxes. 
>
> I was wondering if anyone has experience (or ones they will get rid of 
> cheap) with the smallest of touring bikes: 
> Joe Appaloosa in 46cm
> Atlantis in 47cm?
> Surly Long Haul Trucker or Disc Trucker in 42cm
> Clem Smith / Clementine in 45cm 
> Buy another old Gary Fisher and add drop bars and call it a day? 
> Others???
>
> I'd even consider a 24" wheeled bike for her. Crust bikes made a Romanceur 
> in 24". Salsa makes a 24" gravel bike that looks really nice too.
>
> If anyone has one we could try, we are in NYC.
>
> Thanks! 
>
> Michael 
>

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[RBW] Re: FS; Pile o’ parts! Dyno wheel, lights, brooks, nitto etc

['joe kelly' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Shifters pending

On Thursday, January 11, 2024 at 10:18:11 AM UTC-5 joe kelly wrote:

> [image: image.jpg]
>
> On Thursday, January 11, 2024 at 10:12:39 AM UTC-5 joe kelly wrote:
>
>> Update
>> The Quickbeam ff/hs/bb has sold along with the crank, the original 
>> wheels, post and the 5sp rear wheel. This leaves me with a pile o’ parts! 
>> I have sks fenders, downtube shifters on bar end pods, albatross bars, 
>> technomic stem, campee front rack, two wald baskets lg and sm, eyc front 
>> light, Bm rear light, brooks b.17, randi jo cover, Mks sneaker pedals, Jack 
>> brown green tires and the front dyno wheel.
>> For pricing I’m asking half of what Rivendell sells the item for new. 
>> Everything is in good used condition. On the dyno wheel I used my best 
>> guess got what a hand built wheel is worth.
>> For shipping I would ask that buyer and I split the actual cost. I would 
>> ask for payment of items then a second payment that would be half of 
>> shipping. Clunky perhaps but I think it’s at least a fair way to do it. 
>> I’ll attach a pic of the price list.
>> Thanks
>> Joe
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Feeler: ISO extra-small 26er?

[Dave S]

I have a red 1993 XO-3 48cm kicking around here somewhere.  I'm in NJ.

On Thursday, January 11, 2024 at 12:46:08 PM UTC-5 Michael Morrissey wrote:

> Hi Everyone,
>
> I'm thinking about getting a new bike for my wife. Currently, she has a 
> Trek FX. She likes it a lot, but I can't help but think it doesn't fit her 
> right. She is 5 feet tall, yet the bike has 700x35 tires. The frame is 
> small but I think it's crazy to have an extra-small bike with the biggest 
> wheel size. Google "Trek FX 13 inch" and look at this ridiculously 
> proportioned bicycle. It looks like a penny-farthing.
>
> I think she would be much more comfortable on a steel 26" wheeled bike. I 
> especially like it because I already own 3 vintage 26" mountain bikes as 
> parts sources. She has expressed interest in getting a lighter bike, more 
> roadish, with drop bars. She really likes the color blue, so I want to get 
> her a blue bike. I spoke with a local custom builder, who loved the idea 
> and quoted me $1800 for a custom frame. 
>
> I've got an eBay notification going for the Surly Long Haul Trucker in 
> extra-small 42cm. This would check all my boxes. 
>
> I was wondering if anyone has experience (or ones they will get rid of 
> cheap) with the smallest of touring bikes: 
> Joe Appaloosa in 46cm
> Atlantis in 47cm?
> Surly Long Haul Trucker or Disc Trucker in 42cm
> Clem Smith / Clementine in 45cm 
> Buy another old Gary Fisher and add drop bars and call it a day? 
> Others???
>
> I'd even consider a 24" wheeled bike for her. Crust bikes made a Romanceur 
> in 24". Salsa makes a 24" gravel bike that looks really nice too.
>
> If anyone has one we could try, we are in NYC.
>
> Thanks! 
>
> Michael 
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Los Angeles Riv Ride

[Armand Kizirian]

I would recommend minimal singletrack to keep this ride as inclusive as 
possible. Not all Riv riders have extra wide tires / experience on dirt. 
(Not speaking for myself, I prefer dirt) Don't wanna scare anyone off! The 
more the merrier. 

Wasn't able to visit AllezLA as they were closed on Tuesday. Will post ride 
beta here as I gather it from friends / perhaps a future visit. 

On Monday, January 8, 2024 at 5:12:41 PM UTC-8 Donzaemon wrote:

> Sounds like a fun ride. Wish I was still local!
>
> On Monday, January 8, 2024 at 5:04:07 PM UTC-8 heike...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I'm fine with 30+ miles and fire roads; not so sure about any kind of 
>> steep or technical single-track (not sure what you mean by flowy, 
>> Riv-friendly single-track, P.W.. I've done a limited amount of single-track 
>> with my mountain bike, and I've gotten off and walked on steep, rocky 
>> parts, and I haven't taken my Appaloosa on any of that type of trail. I 
>> know the bike can do it; I'm just not sure I can :)  Overall, though, the 
>> path and plan you suggest sounds fun, P.W.!  
>>
>> How early is early? I'm an early riser, and I have to drive in from South 
>> Orange County. Google says it will take me 1:30 hours to get to Allez. 
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 7, 2024 at 8:09 PM Tony Lockhart  wrote:
>>
>>> Just wondering what the fitness, technical ability, and comfort level of 
>>> people are. While I've never taken my bike on single track, I love to try 
>>> out some flowy curves and fire roadsand I'm quite happy to do 30+ miles 
>>> on mixed terrain, especially if we get an early start. I'm super flexible.
>>>
>>> How are others feeling? I'd rather defer to the group, in favor of 
>>> getting more people to attend. The more, the merrier, IMO.
>>>
>>>
>>> @Armand - Glad to hear that you'll be visiting Allez. Perhaps you can 
>>> let us know if any good ideas or routes come up when you chat with Kyle. I 
>>> think it would be great if we kept the ride on this side of town. I can't 
>>> speak for others, but I'd welcome a future ride on the west side.
>>>
>>> @Phil - Great idea for a route; you've got my vote! I know Ted had 
>>> mentioned Cherry Canyon. Sign me up for flowy single track and a beer 
>>> anyday! 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sunday, January 7, 2024 at 4:37:01 PM UTC-8 philip@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Meeting at Allez wouldn’t be a bad idea.

 Riv dealers and great people, after all!

 I’m sure they’d be happy to host. Plus Collage coffee is down the block.

 Highland Park to South Pas, Rosebowl over to Cherry Canyon, down 
 through the Sports Complex singletrack, ending with a beer and hot dog at 
 Walt’s is never a bad time.

 20-30miles. Bunch of road, bunch of dirt. Flowy, Riv-friendly single 
 track and fire roads.

 Or there’s Mt Washington - Elysian - Griffith. Although less fun.

 P. W.
 ~
 (917) 514-2207
 ~




 On Jan 7, 2024, at 3:52 PM, Armand Kizirian  
 wrote:

 

 Safe to say a Riv is not required to join the ride. I will definitely 
 be inviting a few people who would thoroughly appreciate being surrounded 
 by Rivendells, despite not owning one. 

 Tony, I used to organize routes/rides/tours for small and large groups. 
 I'm in Santa Monica so I'm not as familiar with great places to ride on 
 the 
 east side. I think a jaunt through frogtown/la river/griffith park could 
 be 
 great. I'll be going to Glendale tomorrow and can stop by Allez LA and 
 pick 
 their brain some, especially if Kyle is there. 

 What kind of mileage are you thinking? Is this a morning meetup ride? 

 Let's doo this. Good incentive for me to finish my Playtpus by then 
 too :). 

 On Saturday, January 6, 2024 at 9:22:54 PM UTC-8 heike...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Oh, so cool to see this happening! I’ve been mostly lurking here; got 
> my Appaloosa last August and I ride it in Orange County. I’d love to join 
> a 
> ride and February 17th will probably work (family plans permitting). 
> Question: How long/demanding will the ride be? I’m usually a solo rider 
> and 
> with my Appaloosa I’m more of a joy rider than a racer.
>
> On Tuesday, January 2, 2024 at 8:47:39 AM UTC-8 Tony Lockhart wrote:
>
>> Hey folks,
>> Anybody free for an early February meet up and ride? Ted D. is in 
>> town during the week of the 12th, so this seems like a great opportunity 
>> for a fun, super causal ride.
>>
>> Sunday the 11th 
>> Monday the 12th (state holiday)
>> Saturday the 17th
>>
>> What do you think?
>>
>> On Monday, June 12, 2023 at 10:34:54 AM UTC-7 chris@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm interested. If the date happens to fall in the second half of 
>>> the month, I'll do my best to be there! First one was a great time. 
>>> 

[RBW] Re: Gravel King SK Nibs

[Armand Kizirian]

If it's not the actual tread you are talking about but the little hair 
strands of rubber, I would experiment with lightly passing a torch over the 
tire and see if that does the trick to remove them. Otherwise you can 
practice some patience and manually snip them all. 

Or simply, ride your bike. They will disappear eventually. 

On Wednesday, January 10, 2024 at 1:19:48 PM UTC-8 wboe...@gmail.com wrote:

> Isn't Gravelking - knobs = Barlow Pass?  Not sure what winter riding looks 
> like where you are, but I do plenty of winter riding on file treads here in 
> the northeast.  And really, knobs only happen on my mountain bikes at this 
> point.  Further, knobby tires + fender + stick = over the bars.  Ask me how 
> I know.
>
> All that to say, it sounds like reverting to the Barlow Pass is your best 
> call.
>
> Will
>
> On Wednesday, January 10, 2024 at 12:00:31 PM UTC-5 BobW wrote:
>
>> My Sam Hillborne (not canti model)  had previously installed Rene Herse 
>> Barlow Pass tires under Berthoud 50mm fenders.  Clearances were great, and 
>> all worked very well.
>>
>> For winter riding, I recently installed Gravel King SK 38's, but now I'm 
>> getting a rubbing buzz sound from the tire "bibs" brushing against the 
>> fenders.
>>
>> Has anyone experienced this and found a solution??  Other than new wider 
>> fenders, is there an easy way to trim the "nibs"??
>>
>> thanks!
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: headset indexing?

[Will Boericke]

The headset cups have no effect on the workings of a sealed bearing headset
(unlike loose bearing).  They are just supports for the cartridges.  So
indexing would be inside the cartridge, if present.  I don't know that I've
ever felt a cartridge bearing index in any application.  Gritty feeling,
sure, but nothing comparable to a really brinnelled loose bearing headset.

Will

On Thu, Jan 11, 2024, 1:46 PM Richard Rose  wrote:

> Very interesting. A sealed bearing could never “index”, correct? Do my
> races look ok?
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 11, 2024, at 1:32 PM, Will Boericke  wrote:
>
> I'm glad I came across this, as I have a very stiff FSA headset on a
> frame that I thought was screwed up somehow.  No indexing feeling though.
>
> Will
>
> On Thursday, January 11, 2024 at 1:29:30 PM UTC-5 Garth wrote:
>
>> If it's the stock FSA headset with cartridge bearings I was told by
>> someone at Riv that they send them out tight and that's how they feel. I
>> thought it was too tight also. I haven't ridden mine but you have yours so
>> if it's smooth when riding, leave it be as it was.
>> On Thursday, January 11, 2024 at 11:20:13 AM UTC-5 rmro...@gmail.com
>> wrote:
>>
>>> While doing a January tear down on my Clem I discovered what feels like
>>> headset indexing. The first time I ever experienced this was on my 1970's
>>> PX10. That was a Stronglight loose ball headset & you could feel and see
>>> the ball indents in the races from the headset being too tight. On the Clem
>>> I never felt it - the steering always felt precise. In the stand it felt
>>> fine. As soon as I removed the weight from the front of the bike - wheel,
>>> handlebars & stem, I could feel the headset was too tight and felt indexed.
>>> However, the races look ok to me. Pics of the races included here. My
>>> question is do modern sealed bearing headsets indent? If not, what else can
>>> cause the "indent" feeling? Crushed bearings? Is my headset toast or just
>>> not adjusted correctly?
>>> Thanks for the help.
>>> [image: IMG_8002.jpg][image: IMG_8001.jpg]
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: headset indexing?

[Richard Rose]

Very interesting. A sealed bearing could never “index”, correct? Do my races look ok? Sent from my iPhoneOn Jan 11, 2024, at 1:32 PM, Will Boericke  wrote:I'm glad I came across this, as I have a very stiff FSA headset on a frame that I thought was screwed up somehow.  No indexing feeling though.WillOn Thursday, January 11, 2024 at 1:29:30 PM UTC-5 Garth wrote:If it's the stock FSA headset with cartridge bearings I was told by someone at Riv that they send them out tight and that's how they feel. I thought it was too tight also. I haven't ridden mine but you have yours so if it's smooth when riding, leave it be as it was. On Thursday, January 11, 2024 at 11:20:13 AM UTC-5 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:While doing a January tear down on my Clem I discovered what feels like headset indexing. The first time I ever experienced this was on my 1970's PX10. That was a Stronglight loose ball headset & you could feel and see the ball indents in the races from the headset being too tight. On the Clem I never felt it - the steering always felt precise. In the stand it felt fine. As soon as I removed the weight from the front of the bike - wheel, handlebars & stem, I could feel the headset was too tight and felt indexed. However, the races look ok to me. Pics of the races included here. My question is do modern sealed bearing headsets indent? If not, what else can cause the "indent" feeling? Crushed bearings? Is my headset toast or just not adjusted correctly?Thanks for the help.



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[RBW] Re: headset indexing?

[Will Boericke]

I'm glad I came across this, as I have a very stiff FSA headset on a frame 
that I thought was screwed up somehow.  No indexing feeling though.

Will

On Thursday, January 11, 2024 at 1:29:30 PM UTC-5 Garth wrote:

> If it's the stock FSA headset with cartridge bearings I was told by 
> someone at Riv that they send them out tight and that's how they feel. I 
> thought it was too tight also. I haven't ridden mine but you have yours so 
> if it's smooth when riding, leave it be as it was. 
> On Thursday, January 11, 2024 at 11:20:13 AM UTC-5 rmro...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> While doing a January tear down on my Clem I discovered what feels like 
>> headset indexing. The first time I ever experienced this was on my 1970's 
>> PX10. That was a Stronglight loose ball headset & you could feel and see 
>> the ball indents in the races from the headset being too tight. On the Clem 
>> I never felt it - the steering always felt precise. In the stand it felt 
>> fine. As soon as I removed the weight from the front of the bike - wheel, 
>> handlebars & stem, I could feel the headset was too tight and felt indexed. 
>> However, the races look ok to me. Pics of the races included here. My 
>> question is do modern sealed bearing headsets indent? If not, what else can 
>> cause the "indent" feeling? Crushed bearings? Is my headset toast or just 
>> not adjusted correctly?
>> Thanks for the help.
>> [image: IMG_8002.jpg][image: IMG_8001.jpg]
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Feeler: ISO extra-small 26er?

[Will Boericke]

I have a lovely 5'2" wife who is so attached to her 90s era Specialized 
Crossroads that she had me find her a replacement when the original was 
stolen.  700c wheels are not an issue for her on that frame and we just 
toured on it last summer.  I have replaced everything on the frame with 
more modern (and importantly lighter) components.

But, I hear what you're saying on proportional wheel size.  My buddy is 
6'5" and looks silly even on 700c because his frames are so big.  He needs 
a 36er.

If you need an excuse to tinker, carry on!  ;)

Will

On Thursday, January 11, 2024 at 1:20:03 PM UTC-5 George Schick wrote:

> I used to have a wife who was 4' 10" and she was persuaded to jump from 
> running into cycling by some friends (something I had tried to get her to 
> do unsuccessfully for many years).  She wound up with the smallest CF frame 
> size road bike made with 700C wheels and it was an awkward looking and 
> handling apparatus.  That frame eventually cracked (surprise!) and I told 
> her to scrap it and get a small framed aluminum road bike with 650C 
> wheels.  Of course, she resisted until someone else in the local bike club 
> made the same recommendation. And it looked and fit proportionally and 
> perfectly.
>
> On Thursday, January 11, 2024 at 11:46:08 AM UTC-6 Michael Morrissey wrote:
>
>> Hi Everyone,
>>
>> I'm thinking about getting a new bike for my wife. Currently, she has a 
>> Trek FX. She likes it a lot, but I can't help but think it doesn't fit her 
>> right. She is 5 feet tall, yet the bike has 700x35 tires. The frame is 
>> small but I think it's crazy to have an extra-small bike with the biggest 
>> wheel size. Google "Trek FX 13 inch" and look at this ridiculously 
>> proportioned bicycle. It looks like a penny-farthing.
>>
>> I think she would be much more comfortable on a steel 26" wheeled bike. I 
>> especially like it because I already own 3 vintage 26" mountain bikes as 
>> parts sources. She has expressed interest in getting a lighter bike, more 
>> roadish, with drop bars. She really likes the color blue, so I want to get 
>> her a blue bike. I spoke with a local custom builder, who loved the idea 
>> and quoted me $1800 for a custom frame. 
>>
>> I've got an eBay notification going for the Surly Long Haul Trucker in 
>> extra-small 42cm. This would check all my boxes. 
>>
>> I was wondering if anyone has experience (or ones they will get rid of 
>> cheap) with the smallest of touring bikes: 
>> Joe Appaloosa in 46cm
>> Atlantis in 47cm?
>> Surly Long Haul Trucker or Disc Trucker in 42cm
>> Clem Smith / Clementine in 45cm 
>> Buy another old Gary Fisher and add drop bars and call it a day? 
>> Others???
>>
>> I'd even consider a 24" wheeled bike for her. Crust bikes made a 
>> Romanceur in 24". Salsa makes a 24" gravel bike that looks really nice too.
>>
>> If anyone has one we could try, we are in NYC.
>>
>> Thanks! 
>>
>> Michael 
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: headset indexing?

[Garth]

If it's the stock FSA headset with cartridge bearings I was told by someone 
at Riv that they send them out tight and that's how they feel. I thought it 
was too tight also. I haven't ridden mine but you have yours so if it's 
smooth when riding, leave it be as it was. 
On Thursday, January 11, 2024 at 11:20:13 AM UTC-5 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:

> While doing a January tear down on my Clem I discovered what feels like 
> headset indexing. The first time I ever experienced this was on my 1970's 
> PX10. That was a Stronglight loose ball headset & you could feel and see 
> the ball indents in the races from the headset being too tight. On the Clem 
> I never felt it - the steering always felt precise. In the stand it felt 
> fine. As soon as I removed the weight from the front of the bike - wheel, 
> handlebars & stem, I could feel the headset was too tight and felt indexed. 
> However, the races look ok to me. Pics of the races included here. My 
> question is do modern sealed bearing headsets indent? If not, what else can 
> cause the "indent" feeling? Crushed bearings? Is my headset toast or just 
> not adjusted correctly?
> Thanks for the help.
> [image: IMG_8002.jpg][image: IMG_8001.jpg]
>

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[RBW] Re: FS; Pile o’ parts! Dyno wheel, lights, brooks, nitto etc

['joe kelly' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Campee rack sold.

On Thursday, January 11, 2024 at 11:20:23 AM UTC-5 Howard Hatten wrote:

>
> PM sent
> On Thursday, January 11, 2024 at 10:39:07 AM UTC-5 joe kelly wrote:
>
>> Update. Bars and stem sold! Fast!
>> Dyno wheel is a SP SV-8 that I bought from Rivendell when they sold them. 
>> Laced to a velocity twin hollow. Hand built here in Columbus at Baer 
>> wheels. I am almost certain the spokes are double butted, I can’t imagine I 
>> wouldn’t have sprung for that but it has been a decade. Assume they aren’t 
>> and be pleasantly surprised if they are I guess. Wheel was the last 
>> addition to the quickbeam so very low miles before cycling faded out for 
>> me. Less than 500 miles?
>> Thanks 
>> Joe
>>
>> On Thursday, January 11, 2024 at 10:12:39 AM UTC-5 joe kelly wrote:
>>
>>> Update
>>> The Quickbeam ff/hs/bb has sold along with the crank, the original 
>>> wheels, post and the 5sp rear wheel. This leaves me with a pile o’ parts! 
>>> I have sks fenders, downtube shifters on bar end pods, albatross bars, 
>>> technomic stem, campee front rack, two wald baskets lg and sm, eyc front 
>>> light, Bm rear light, brooks b.17, randi jo cover, Mks sneaker pedals, Jack 
>>> brown green tires and the front dyno wheel.
>>> For pricing I’m asking half of what Rivendell sells the item for new. 
>>> Everything is in good used condition. On the dyno wheel I used my best 
>>> guess got what a hand built wheel is worth.
>>> For shipping I would ask that buyer and I split the actual cost. I would 
>>> ask for payment of items then a second payment that would be half of 
>>> shipping. Clunky perhaps but I think it’s at least a fair way to do it. 
>>> I’ll attach a pic of the price list.
>>> Thanks
>>> Joe
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Feeler: ISO extra-small 26er?

[George Schick]

I used to have a wife who was 4' 10" and she was persuaded to jump from 
running into cycling by some friends (something I had tried to get her to 
do unsuccessfully for many years).  She wound up with the smallest CF frame 
size road bike made with 700C wheels and it was an awkward looking and 
handling apparatus.  That frame eventually cracked (surprise!) and I told 
her to scrap it and get a small framed aluminum road bike with 650C 
wheels.  Of course, she resisted until someone else in the local bike club 
made the same recommendation. And it looked and fit proportionally and 
perfectly.

On Thursday, January 11, 2024 at 11:46:08 AM UTC-6 Michael Morrissey wrote:

> Hi Everyone,
>
> I'm thinking about getting a new bike for my wife. Currently, she has a 
> Trek FX. She likes it a lot, but I can't help but think it doesn't fit her 
> right. She is 5 feet tall, yet the bike has 700x35 tires. The frame is 
> small but I think it's crazy to have an extra-small bike with the biggest 
> wheel size. Google "Trek FX 13 inch" and look at this ridiculously 
> proportioned bicycle. It looks like a penny-farthing.
>
> I think she would be much more comfortable on a steel 26" wheeled bike. I 
> especially like it because I already own 3 vintage 26" mountain bikes as 
> parts sources. She has expressed interest in getting a lighter bike, more 
> roadish, with drop bars. She really likes the color blue, so I want to get 
> her a blue bike. I spoke with a local custom builder, who loved the idea 
> and quoted me $1800 for a custom frame. 
>
> I've got an eBay notification going for the Surly Long Haul Trucker in 
> extra-small 42cm. This would check all my boxes. 
>
> I was wondering if anyone has experience (or ones they will get rid of 
> cheap) with the smallest of touring bikes: 
> Joe Appaloosa in 46cm
> Atlantis in 47cm?
> Surly Long Haul Trucker or Disc Trucker in 42cm
> Clem Smith / Clementine in 45cm 
> Buy another old Gary Fisher and add drop bars and call it a day? 
> Others???
>
> I'd even consider a 24" wheeled bike for her. Crust bikes made a Romanceur 
> in 24". Salsa makes a 24" gravel bike that looks really nice too.
>
> If anyone has one we could try, we are in NYC.
>
> Thanks! 
>
> Michael 
>

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Re: [RBW] Feeler: ISO extra-small 26er?

[luckyturnip]

I might be in the minority here but I had a 26" wheeled Long Haul Trucker and found it to be a tank. I didn't like it much for ...really anything. In comparison I have a 26" wheeled old short wheelbase Atlantis and like it very much both on and off road. (I also have a 26" wheeled step thru Hard Rock built up with nice parts (Risco Platy inspired build) and absolutely love it.I saw yesterday on IG that Crust is thinking about another run of step thrus.  You could go cheap with something like the Hard Rock as your base until the perfect bike appears. That said, all of these listed bikes feel pretty chunky to me if your wife wants to go faster. What about a step thru Bassi Rachel, Handsome She-Devil, or similar?Me: female, 5'7 (so taller than your wife), my 2 cents for whatever that's worthOn Jan 11, 2024, at 09:46, Michael Morrissey  wrote:Hi Everyone,I'm thinking about getting a new bike for my wife. Currently, she has a Trek FX. She likes it a lot, but I can't help but think it doesn't fit her right. She is 5 feet tall, yet the bike has 700x35 tires. The frame is small but I think it's crazy to have an extra-small bike with the biggest wheel size. Google "Trek FX 13 inch" and look at this ridiculously proportioned bicycle. It looks like a penny-farthing.I think she would be much more comfortable on a steel 26" wheeled bike. I especially like it because I already own 3 vintage 26" mountain bikes as parts sources. She has expressed interest in getting a lighter bike, more roadish, with drop bars. She really likes the color blue, so I want to get her a blue bike. I spoke with a local custom builder, who loved the idea and quoted me $1800 for a custom frame. I've got an eBay notification going for the Surly Long Haul Trucker in extra-small 42cm. This would check all my boxes. I was wondering if anyone has experience (or ones they will get rid of cheap) with the smallest of touring bikes: Joe Appaloosa in 46cmAtlantis in 47cm?Surly Long Haul Trucker or Disc Trucker in 42cmClem Smith / Clementine in 45cm Buy another old Gary Fisher and add drop bars and call it a day? Others???I'd even consider a 24" wheeled bike for her. Crust bikes made a Romanceur in 24". Salsa makes a 24" gravel bike that looks really nice too.If anyone has one we could try, we are in NYC.Thanks! Michael 



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Re: [RBW] Re: Roadini Feedback

[Chris Fly]

Hi Maggie,

I sent you an email with some questions. 

Thanks!
Chris 

On Monday, January 8, 2024 at 4:27:19 PM UTC-8 Maggie Zhou wrote:

> I have contemplated selling my 50cm roadini that has a modern brifter 
> build (all Shimano 105). It's the first production batch circa 2017, so 
> only has spacing for ~35s, and I've personally never succeeding at running 
> larger than 28s with fenders + 105 mid reach brakes. It kinda sounds like 
> this wouldn't fit your desires anyway, since you want to run wider tires. 
> Email me directly if you want to talk? I haven't really thought about 
> pricing...it has felt a little extravagant to sell to just turn around and 
> buy a new Roadini for the wider tires.
>
>  I don't keep good track of my rides, but I have at least 10k miles on it. 
> It's a great bike, and I can't imagine wanting anything different if I 
> wanted a fast steel road bike. 
> On Saturday, January 6, 2024 at 1:22:36 PM UTC-8 andyree...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Oh shoot, I didn't realize the Crust was 650b in smaller sizes. Velo 
>> Orange Rando frameset  
>> is the only other production road frame that comes to mind, but I haven't 
>> read/heard much about it's ride quality. The modular dropouts are a really 
>> neat idea though. 
>>
>> On Saturday, January 6, 2024 at 11:32:26 AM UTC-6 eddietheflay wrote:
>>
>>> As I wrote earlier and it looks like Ron is going in this direction:
>>>
>>> " I'd like to see a Columbus Spirit tubed frameset just like the 
>>> Malocchio with tigs, slanted top tube, threaded fork, and a nice powder 
>>> coat at a reasonable price. Kinda like a BMW 2002 from the olden days." I'd 
>>> want threaded fork cuz I need the rise offered by long quill stems.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Saturday, January 6, 2024 at 9:27:46 AM UTC-8 four...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 A Riv may not be the bike for me this time.. I'm also considering a 
 Litespeed Arenberg (the new one, seems like some good numbers) or maybe 
 even splash out on a custom Fitz or Sycip here in Sonoma County.. 

 On Saturday, January 6, 2024 at 9:23:21 AM UTC-8 Chris Fly wrote:

> the issue with the Crust for me is the three smallest sizes seem to be 
> 650b and I don't really want a 650b bike.. plus the brake thing might bug 
> me if I did want to run larger tires in the future.. thanks Eddie! 
>
> On Friday, January 5, 2024 at 7:38:49 PM UTC-8 eddietheflay wrote:
>
>> I have the same brakes front and rear and there is no issue with 35mm 
>> tires. The OP wants a quick road bike so he'd  be fine too.
>>
>> On Friday, January 5, 2024 at 7:21:46 PM UTC-8 pi...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> The big minus behind the crust is that they messed up the 
>>> manufacturing so it takes different brakes front and rear which is 
>>> bizarre. 
>>> Even more bizarre is that it requires smaller tires on the back than on 
>>> the 
>>> front. Unless you pay to have someone move the brake bridge (and then 
>>> do 
>>> the repaint) that kind of stuff would always be nagging at the back of 
>>> my 
>>> mind and cause me not to enjoy the bike.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jan 5, 2024 at 7:14 PM eddietheflay  
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Crust Malocchio. Real lugs, real lightweight tubing, decent 
 clearance. Some things in its favor. Definitely not the looker that 
 most 
 Rivs are and without sloping top tube = good or not so? We could put 
 some 
 blocks on my pedals and you could try it.

 On Friday, January 5, 2024 at 6:05:49 PM UTC-8 pi...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> The A Homer Hilsen comes with an 80mm drop, which could be one 
> reason you like it over the Roadini. But the Hilsen probably won't 
> fit in 
> my travel bike box.
>
> On Fri, Jan 5, 2024, 17:54 Stephen Durfee  
> wrote:
>
>> Chris - I got my Roadini just over a year ago, a complete bike 
>> purchased from a CL listing in South Carolina that I had shipped to 
>> Napa. I 
>> wanted a RIv so bad, and a "road bike" in particular, but was 
>> (perhaps like 
>> you), hoping to save a few bucks on a pre-owned model. I had 
>> previously 
>> visited HQ and talked with Will, who acknowledged that I was on the 
>> cusp 
>> between 54 and 57, and that either could be a good fit...I later 
>> concluded 
>> that I should have gone with the larger size - the one I got was a 
>> 54 in 
>> "Old Blue", an earlier model which would not accept the larger tire 
>> size 
>> that the newer models do.  I liked the bike well enough that I 
>> considered 
>> investing in a brand new frame (that Gold is hot!) but also realized 
>> that I 
>> didn't love the components 

[RBW] Feeler: ISO extra-small 26er?

[Michael Morrissey]

Hi Everyone,

I'm thinking about getting a new bike for my wife. Currently, she has a 
Trek FX. She likes it a lot, but I can't help but think it doesn't fit her 
right. She is 5 feet tall, yet the bike has 700x35 tires. The frame is 
small but I think it's crazy to have an extra-small bike with the biggest 
wheel size. Google "Trek FX 13 inch" and look at this ridiculously 
proportioned bicycle. It looks like a penny-farthing.

I think she would be much more comfortable on a steel 26" wheeled bike. I 
especially like it because I already own 3 vintage 26" mountain bikes as 
parts sources. She has expressed interest in getting a lighter bike, more 
roadish, with drop bars. She really likes the color blue, so I want to get 
her a blue bike. I spoke with a local custom builder, who loved the idea 
and quoted me $1800 for a custom frame. 

I've got an eBay notification going for the Surly Long Haul Trucker in 
extra-small 42cm. This would check all my boxes. 

I was wondering if anyone has experience (or ones they will get rid of 
cheap) with the smallest of touring bikes: 
Joe Appaloosa in 46cm
Atlantis in 47cm?
Surly Long Haul Trucker or Disc Trucker in 42cm
Clem Smith / Clementine in 45cm 
Buy another old Gary Fisher and add drop bars and call it a day? 
Others???

I'd even consider a 24" wheeled bike for her. Crust bikes made a Romanceur 
in 24". Salsa makes a 24" gravel bike that looks really nice too.

If anyone has one we could try, we are in NYC.

Thanks! 

Michael 

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Re: [RBW] Advantages of triple drivetrains (VO post)

[Joe Bernard]

"Can those Ultegra triples be found in a square taper or are they all 
Octalink?"

All Octalink. The previous gen 7/8-spd era Ultegra square taper (600 
tri-color) were all doubles, if you search long and hard you can find 105 
triples from that period but I don't think many were produced. 

Joe Bernard 

On Thursday, January 11, 2024 at 7:05:47 AM UTC-8 Tim Bantham wrote:

> Can those Ultegra triples be found in a square taper or are they all 
> Octalink?
>
> On Wednesday, January 10, 2024 at 8:23:10 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> Ultegra 52x42x30 makes a nice compact double.  Just remove the 52 (free) 
>> and put a guard in its place ($15).  Now you've got a 42x30 with the 
>> ability to put a smaller ring on the 74 bcd if need be.  The skeleton key 
>> is indeed a useful FD.  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Wednesday, January 10, 2024 at 4:42:09 PM UTC-8 Will M wrote:
>>
>>> Diff'rent strokes for diff'rent folks!  
>>>
>>> I swapped out an Ultegra 52x42x30 for a RBW/Silver 42x28 and never 
>>> looked back.  (Yes, that little Microshift "skeleton key" front derailer is 
>>> brilliant).  And my Yuba cargo bike got the RBW/Silver 38x24 because the 
>>> 44x34x24 offered no advantages for a bike that is 100% about transporting 
>>> "cargo" (kids) in a city.  I get the appeal of 1X's, but some of the analog 
>>> Yuba long-wheelbase cargo bikes that were spec'ed as 1X got a reputation 
>>> for throwing chains under load.  Never understood why. 
>>>
>>> @ Ron Mc: Love the half-step setup.  Love! Have you seen John Schubert's 
>>> article "Half Step: The Gearing Choice for the Retrogrouch 
>>> "?
>>>  
>>> (Adventure Cyclist magazine, March 2002)  My bucket list includes a 1983 
>>> Specialized Sequoia with this drivetrain. :-)  
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Will 
>>> NYC
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, January 10, 2024 at 10:43:48 AM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
 I did that for years with 48/38/28 triples and close ratio (13-21 
 commuting, 12-19 gofast) 7 speed drivetrains. It worked well, with most 
 riding in the middle ring. ?This ws

 On Tue, Jan 9, 2024 at 5:02 PM Andrew Turner  
 wrote:

> I love a triple paired with an 8 speed or less corncob cassette 
> matched to downtube shifters. That's an amazing roadie configuration 
> right 
> there. Not to mention bomb proof. But I think what rides equally as nice 
> is 
> 11 speed 2x setups with a wide range cassette in the rear. The choice for 
> me comes down to looks and vanity. Ron Mc's teaser drivetrain pic is 
> really 
> scratching an itch for me though! 
> On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 5:36:47 PM UTC-6 DavidP wrote:
>
>> I have a couple of bikes with 46/30 front rings and 11-34 cassettes; 
>> I end up mainly using them like a double 1x (no, I don't use the 46x11) 
>> and 
>> for these bikes I like it fine.
>>
>> In line with Bill's point, pairing a smaller front step with a wider 
>> range cassette (but not too crazy) can work well. I recently ended up 
>> with 
>> a 2x9, 42/34 x 11-40t setup on a bike and it's pretty nice for general 
>> use. 
>> The smaller front step allows getting over rolling hills using front 
>> shifts 
>> only, it's got great range (.85:1 - 3.8:1) and still doesn't end up with 
>> a 
>> bunch of simultaneous front/rear shifting. And the 34t small ring lets 
>> you 
>> use a standard 110 double crank.
>>
>> -Dave
>> On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 6:13:54 PM UTC-5 J J wrote:
>>
>>> Steven, thanks for the point about how useful triples are for riding 
>>> with big loads, whether for touring, day tripping, shopping, whatever. 
>>> I 
>>> frequently haul loads up hills on my already-heavy Rivs, so a wide gear 
>>> range with 24-34-44  or a 26-36-46 triple and a 34- or 36-tooth large 
>>> rear 
>>> sprocket works great for me. I'm a tinkerer but I don't mess with my 
>>> front 
>>> ders. They're set it and forget it. I also love the way shiny triple 
>>> cranks 
>>> look. I've never felt compelled to try a 1x from a functional or 
>>> aesthetic 
>>> standpoint. 
>>>
>>> I agree with Johnny that much newfangled bike stuff and trends are 
>>> driven by product differentiation and marketing. Sometimes what was 
>>> once 
>>> virtue becomes vice, sometimes what is old becomes new again. 
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 4:14:25 PM UTC-5 Steven Sweedler 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 One point that I think is being missed, is for loaded touring bikes 
 triples make more sense. Though I am not camping I still am carrying 
 around 
 40 lbs on a 32 lb bike, low gears are especially useful on long and/or 
 steep hills. When home in central  New Hampshire many of my favorite 
 roads 

[RBW] FS: Nitto 34f front rack 700c

[scott minor]

New condition with original unused hardware

size:  700c wheels

$175 shipped in lower 48

flickr photo here:  https://flic.kr/p/2prSs8g

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Rene Herse Oracle Ridge

[Lance Terry]

On its way Tom. I think they said Monday. Let me know if there are any issues. Thanks. LanceOn Jan 10, 2024, at 19:21, Lance Terry  wrote:Tires are sold. Thanks TomOn Wednesday, January 10, 2024 at 5:56:04 PM UTC-7 Lance Terry wrote:Sorry for the weird formatting.On Wednesday, January 10, 2024 at 5:54:39 PM UTC-7 Lance Terry wrote:I used these a short bit but then went larger and they have just been sitting. I might  have had them set up tubeless but they are very clean inside. $100 plus shipping from the Denver area.



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[RBW] Re: FS; Pile o’ parts! Dyno wheel, lights, brooks, nitto etc

[Howard Hatten]

PM sent
On Thursday, January 11, 2024 at 10:39:07 AM UTC-5 joe kelly wrote:

> Update. Bars and stem sold! Fast!
> Dyno wheel is a SP SV-8 that I bought from Rivendell when they sold them. 
> Laced to a velocity twin hollow. Hand built here in Columbus at Baer 
> wheels. I am almost certain the spokes are double butted, I can’t imagine I 
> wouldn’t have sprung for that but it has been a decade. Assume they aren’t 
> and be pleasantly surprised if they are I guess. Wheel was the last 
> addition to the quickbeam so very low miles before cycling faded out for 
> me. Less than 500 miles?
> Thanks 
> Joe
>
> On Thursday, January 11, 2024 at 10:12:39 AM UTC-5 joe kelly wrote:
>
>> Update
>> The Quickbeam ff/hs/bb has sold along with the crank, the original 
>> wheels, post and the 5sp rear wheel. This leaves me with a pile o’ parts! 
>> I have sks fenders, downtube shifters on bar end pods, albatross bars, 
>> technomic stem, campee front rack, two wald baskets lg and sm, eyc front 
>> light, Bm rear light, brooks b.17, randi jo cover, Mks sneaker pedals, Jack 
>> brown green tires and the front dyno wheel.
>> For pricing I’m asking half of what Rivendell sells the item for new. 
>> Everything is in good used condition. On the dyno wheel I used my best 
>> guess got what a hand built wheel is worth.
>> For shipping I would ask that buyer and I split the actual cost. I would 
>> ask for payment of items then a second payment that would be half of 
>> shipping. Clunky perhaps but I think it’s at least a fair way to do it. 
>> I’ll attach a pic of the price list.
>> Thanks
>> Joe
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: 5 Boro Bike Tour (was NYC Riv Ride?)

[Joe in the Pay Area]

Andy, Enjoy The Ride !!! You're about to experience one of the greatest 
cities in the world by pedaling it !!! Forget all the blather about this 
tire and that chainring and just be a kid again, on a bike, with lots of 
other bikes, and enjoy it. Go. Out. For. A. Ride. ("Mom? I'm goin' out on 
my bike.") Maybe even put a baseball card in your spokes to make some 
noise. Maybe some streamers too?

I have ridden it many, many times, going way back when it was orange vests 
from AYH, the ride's founder and sole sponsor (until some bank had to get 
involved). ("AYH" = American Youth Hostels,  a great bike store in its own 
right, and a go-to outdoor outfitter. R.I.P. AYH.) You'll be on roads that 
normally won't allow you to enjoy the views you'll now be Inside Of! The 
only time you can stop On Top Of The Verrazano Narrows Bridge is if a car 
accident has stopped traffic, so how lucky are you that the span has been 
closed Just For You?!

It's a *ride*, Andy. There'll be skinny tire flyers there and also bikes 
that have last seen daylight during the Truman Administration. But you, 
Andy, you'll be exactly what you are, a tourist, a Cycling Tourist, with a 
familiar bike under you and thousands of fellow pedalers surrounding you, 
so sit back, find a cadence that allows you to see it all, and Enjoy The 
Ride, kid.

(And if you need a baseball card and a clothespin, lemme know. Alas...I'm 
all out of streamers.)

(And do your homework. If you spend a week in da Big Apple and don't eat 
pizza at least 5 times, you've missed out.)

On Wednesday, January 10, 2024 at 2:17:42 AM UTC-8 ascpgh wrote:

> My wife and I did it a number of years ago (still 30,000 riders). It is an 
> amazing roll through a city you never get to see in this way, even if 
> you've ridden there before because you are able to look around which I 
> couldn't when riding around NYC when I was there by myself with a bike. 
>
> Our approach was to park on Staten Island, take the ferry over  for the 
> start. We were in the back half of the start after securing the rental bike 
> my wife opted for. Rest and refreshment stops were packed with our 29,998 
> friends each time we stopped. The Gowanus Expressway to Verrazano Park and 
> the bridge was hot and both of use were out of water. By the time we got 
> off the elevated highway and saw a food truck selling Gatorade we were 
> pretty needy and the baseball stadium price for the 12 oz bottles was worth 
> every penny. 
>
> The Verrazano Narrows Bridge on a bike is worth any hardship you endure on 
> this ride. There will be refreshments, entertainment and food at the Staten 
> Island afterparty. Many riders will rest, recharge and socialize before 
> taking the ferries back over to Manhattan. I have no recs for whether to 
> enjoy the music food and community or get on the ferr quickly. We just rode 
> to the rent bike return site, loaded my bike in the car and faced 
> essentially no traffic as we left the island towards Newark, NJ and home. 
>
> Fun ride, take pictures, report back.
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> 8A3A12C3-0476-4C23-BA7F-FA59F5208F8E_1_105_c.jpeg]
>
> Andy Cheatham
> Pittsburgh
>
> On Monday, January 8, 2024 at 10:05:33 PM UTC-5 velomann wrote:
>
>> The 5 Boro Bike Tour in NYC has been on my bucket list for years, and I 
>> decided this year is the year. First Sunday of May (5/5 this year).
>> https://www.bike.nyc/events/td-five-boro-bike-tour/
>> Registration opened this week, and I signed up.
>> I've got my lodging and flight booked as well.
>>
>> This will be my first trip to NYC since I was a kid, 50 years ago. I 
>> won't be bringing my Riv (Bringing the Ritchey Breakaway), but I'll be 
>> there for a week, staying in midtown not far from ride start. 
>> I'd love to meet up with others while I'm there, get recommendations on 
>> where to ride, cheap food, coffee, bike shops, etc.
>>
>> Anyone else here doing the ride?
>>
>> Mike M
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Low q, low range 2x cranks

[RichS]

This has been a good refresher course on q factor. It has also been fun 
"window shopping" so many nice looking crank arm and chain ring setups.
Thanks everyone!

Best,
Rich in ATL

On Wednesday, January 10, 2024 at 9:40:03 PM UTC-5 Nick Payne wrote:

> Middleburn (now BETD) also make what they call an Incy spider, which uses 
> 110BCD for the outer ring and 58BCD for the inner, so you can get down to 
> 20t on the inner ring. But it's not all that low Q at 153mm with 44mm 
> chainline. They used to make the spiders for both their RO1 and RO2 cranks, 
> but now they only have them for the RO2 cranks.
>
> Here's one I have on an RO2 crankset with 38/22 chainrings fitted.
> [image: PXL_20230301_013312155.jpg]
> [image: PXL_20230301_013324004.jpg]
>
> Nick Payne
>

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Re: [RBW] Advantages of triple drivetrains (VO post)

[Will Boericke]

The one I know of is 9s Octalink.  I don't think there was a hollowtech
version but happy to be corrected.  You can get an earlier era 7s. RSX
triple that's square taper.

On Thu, Jan 11, 2024 at 10:05 AM Tim Bantham  wrote:

> Can those Ultegra triples be found in a square taper or are they all
> Octalink?
>
> On Wednesday, January 10, 2024 at 8:23:10 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> Ultegra 52x42x30 makes a nice compact double.  Just remove the 52 (free)
>> and put a guard in its place ($15).  Now you've got a 42x30 with the
>> ability to put a smaller ring on the 74 bcd if need be.  The skeleton key
>> is indeed a useful FD.
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Wednesday, January 10, 2024 at 4:42:09 PM UTC-8 Will M wrote:
>>
>>> Diff'rent strokes for diff'rent folks!
>>>
>>> I swapped out an Ultegra 52x42x30 for a RBW/Silver 42x28 and never
>>> looked back.  (Yes, that little Microshift "skeleton key" front derailer is
>>> brilliant).  And my Yuba cargo bike got the RBW/Silver 38x24 because the
>>> 44x34x24 offered no advantages for a bike that is 100% about transporting
>>> "cargo" (kids) in a city.  I get the appeal of 1X's, but some of the analog
>>> Yuba long-wheelbase cargo bikes that were spec'ed as 1X got a reputation
>>> for throwing chains under load.  Never understood why.
>>>
>>> @ Ron Mc: Love the half-step setup.  Love! Have you seen John Schubert's
>>> article "Half Step: The Gearing Choice for the Retrogrouch
>>> "?
>>> (Adventure Cyclist magazine, March 2002)  My bucket list includes a 1983
>>> Specialized Sequoia with this drivetrain. :-)
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Will
>>> NYC
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, January 10, 2024 at 10:43:48 AM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
 I did that for years with 48/38/28 triples and close ratio (13-21
 commuting, 12-19 gofast) 7 speed drivetrains. It worked well, with most
 riding in the middle ring. ?This ws

 On Tue, Jan 9, 2024 at 5:02 PM Andrew Turner 
 wrote:

> I love a triple paired with an 8 speed or less corncob cassette
> matched to downtube shifters. That's an amazing roadie configuration right
> there. Not to mention bomb proof. But I think what rides equally as nice 
> is
> 11 speed 2x setups with a wide range cassette in the rear. The choice for
> me comes down to looks and vanity. Ron Mc's teaser drivetrain pic is 
> really
> scratching an itch for me though!
> On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 5:36:47 PM UTC-6 DavidP wrote:
>
>> I have a couple of bikes with 46/30 front rings and 11-34 cassettes;
>> I end up mainly using them like a double 1x (no, I don't use the 46x11) 
>> and
>> for these bikes I like it fine.
>>
>> In line with Bill's point, pairing a smaller front step with a wider
>> range cassette (but not too crazy) can work well. I recently ended up 
>> with
>> a 2x9, 42/34 x 11-40t setup on a bike and it's pretty nice for general 
>> use.
>> The smaller front step allows getting over rolling hills using front 
>> shifts
>> only, it's got great range (.85:1 - 3.8:1) and still doesn't end up with 
>> a
>> bunch of simultaneous front/rear shifting. And the 34t small ring lets 
>> you
>> use a standard 110 double crank.
>>
>> -Dave
>> On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 6:13:54 PM UTC-5 J J wrote:
>>
>>> Steven, thanks for the point about how useful triples are for riding
>>> with big loads, whether for touring, day tripping, shopping, whatever. I
>>> frequently haul loads up hills on my already-heavy Rivs, so a wide gear
>>> range with 24-34-44  or a 26-36-46 triple and a 34- or 36-tooth large 
>>> rear
>>> sprocket works great for me. I'm a tinkerer but I don't mess with my 
>>> front
>>> ders. They're set it and forget it. I also love the way shiny triple 
>>> cranks
>>> look. I've never felt compelled to try a 1x from a functional or 
>>> aesthetic
>>> standpoint.
>>>
>>> I agree with Johnny that much newfangled bike stuff and trends are
>>> driven by product differentiation and marketing. Sometimes what was once
>>> virtue becomes vice, sometimes what is old becomes new again.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 4:14:25 PM UTC-5 Steven Sweedler
>>> wrote:
>>>
 One point that I think is being missed, is for loaded touring bikes
 triples make more sense. Though I am not camping I still am carrying 
 around
 40 lbs on a 32 lb bike, low gears are especially useful on long and/or
 steep hills. When home in central  New Hampshire many of my favorite 
 roads
 are diificult if not impossible for me to ride without a 15-18” gear.

 Steven Sweedler
 Plymouth, New Hampshire

 On Tue, Jan 9, 2024 at 8:43 PM Chris Halasz 
 wrote:

[RBW] Re: FS; Pile o’ parts! Dyno wheel, lights, brooks, nitto etc

['joe kelly' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Update. Bars and stem sold! Fast!
Dyno wheel is a SP SV-8 that I bought from Rivendell when they sold them. 
Laced to a velocity twin hollow. Hand built here in Columbus at Baer 
wheels. I am almost certain the spokes are double butted, I can’t imagine I 
wouldn’t have sprung for that but it has been a decade. Assume they aren’t 
and be pleasantly surprised if they are I guess. Wheel was the last 
addition to the quickbeam so very low miles before cycling faded out for 
me. Less than 500 miles?
Thanks 
Joe

On Thursday, January 11, 2024 at 10:12:39 AM UTC-5 joe kelly wrote:

> Update
> The Quickbeam ff/hs/bb has sold along with the crank, the original wheels, 
> post and the 5sp rear wheel. This leaves me with a pile o’ parts! 
> I have sks fenders, downtube shifters on bar end pods, albatross bars, 
> technomic stem, campee front rack, two wald baskets lg and sm, eyc front 
> light, Bm rear light, brooks b.17, randi jo cover, Mks sneaker pedals, Jack 
> brown green tires and the front dyno wheel.
> For pricing I’m asking half of what Rivendell sells the item for new. 
> Everything is in good used condition. On the dyno wheel I used my best 
> guess got what a hand built wheel is worth.
> For shipping I would ask that buyer and I split the actual cost. I would 
> ask for payment of items then a second payment that would be half of 
> shipping. Clunky perhaps but I think it’s at least a fair way to do it. 
> I’ll attach a pic of the price list.
> Thanks
> Joe
>

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[RBW] Re: FS; Pile o’ parts! Dyno wheel, lights, brooks, nitto etc

[Tim Bantham]

Hi Joe, Could you provide more detail on dyno wheel? Which dyno hub. 
Appears to be a SON28? Which rim is it? Spoke count?? Approximate mileage 
on it?

Thank you! 

Tim

On Thursday, January 11, 2024 at 10:23:56 AM UTC-5 joe kelly wrote:

> Sorry for that clunkiness of this for sale post. The Google group machine 
> seems especially cranky this morning and would not let me make one post 
> with everything in it. 
> Finally,  extra special bonus for buyers of multiple items. First you will 
> save a little on shipping, who doesn’t love that, but also you wil get to 
> pick from one of the following bonus items; 1.hunquapillar post card, 
> unsent, 2. Old man Peterson’s ferrous velocipede sticker, 3.entmoot 14 
> patch.
> Thanks 
> Joe
>
> On Thursday, January 11, 2024 at 10:12:39 AM UTC-5 joe kelly wrote:
>
>> Update
>> The Quickbeam ff/hs/bb has sold along with the crank, the original 
>> wheels, post and the 5sp rear wheel. This leaves me with a pile o’ parts! 
>> I have sks fenders, downtube shifters on bar end pods, albatross bars, 
>> technomic stem, campee front rack, two wald baskets lg and sm, eyc front 
>> light, Bm rear light, brooks b.17, randi jo cover, Mks sneaker pedals, Jack 
>> brown green tires and the front dyno wheel.
>> For pricing I’m asking half of what Rivendell sells the item for new. 
>> Everything is in good used condition. On the dyno wheel I used my best 
>> guess got what a hand built wheel is worth.
>> For shipping I would ask that buyer and I split the actual cost. I would 
>> ask for payment of items then a second payment that would be half of 
>> shipping. Clunky perhaps but I think it’s at least a fair way to do it. 
>> I’ll attach a pic of the price list.
>> Thanks
>> Joe
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS; Pile o’ parts! Dyno wheel, lights, brooks, nitto etc

['joe kelly' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Sorry for that clunkiness of this for sale post. The Google group machine 
seems especially cranky this morning and would not let me make one post 
with everything in it. 
Finally,  extra special bonus for buyers of multiple items. First you will 
save a little on shipping, who doesn’t love that, but also you wil get to 
pick from one of the following bonus items; 1.hunquapillar post card, 
unsent, 2. Old man Peterson’s ferrous velocipede sticker, 3.entmoot 14 
patch.
Thanks 
Joe

On Thursday, January 11, 2024 at 10:12:39 AM UTC-5 joe kelly wrote:

> Update
> The Quickbeam ff/hs/bb has sold along with the crank, the original wheels, 
> post and the 5sp rear wheel. This leaves me with a pile o’ parts! 
> I have sks fenders, downtube shifters on bar end pods, albatross bars, 
> technomic stem, campee front rack, two wald baskets lg and sm, eyc front 
> light, Bm rear light, brooks b.17, randi jo cover, Mks sneaker pedals, Jack 
> brown green tires and the front dyno wheel.
> For pricing I’m asking half of what Rivendell sells the item for new. 
> Everything is in good used condition. On the dyno wheel I used my best 
> guess got what a hand built wheel is worth.
> For shipping I would ask that buyer and I split the actual cost. I would 
> ask for payment of items then a second payment that would be half of 
> shipping. Clunky perhaps but I think it’s at least a fair way to do it. 
> I’ll attach a pic of the price list.
> Thanks
> Joe
>

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[RBW] FS; Pile o’ parts! Dyno wheel, lights, brooks, nitto etc

['joe kelly' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Update
The Quickbeam ff/hs/bb has sold along with the crank, the original wheels, 
post and the 5sp rear wheel. This leaves me with a pile o’ parts! 
I have sks fenders, downtube shifters on bar end pods, albatross bars, 
technomic stem, campee front rack, two wald baskets lg and sm, eyc front 
light, Bm rear light, brooks b.17, randi jo cover, Mks sneaker pedals, Jack 
brown green tires and the front dyno wheel.
For pricing I’m asking half of what Rivendell sells the item for new. 
Everything is in good used condition. On the dyno wheel I used my best 
guess got what a hand built wheel is worth.
For shipping I would ask that buyer and I split the actual cost. I would 
ask for payment of items then a second payment that would be half of 
shipping. Clunky perhaps but I think it’s at least a fair way to do it. 
I’ll attach a pic of the price list.
Thanks
Joe

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Re: [RBW] Advantages of triple drivetrains (VO post)

[Tim Bantham]

Can those Ultegra triples be found in a square taper or are they all 
Octalink?

On Wednesday, January 10, 2024 at 8:23:10 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> Ultegra 52x42x30 makes a nice compact double.  Just remove the 52 (free) 
> and put a guard in its place ($15).  Now you've got a 42x30 with the 
> ability to put a smaller ring on the 74 bcd if need be.  The skeleton key 
> is indeed a useful FD.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Wednesday, January 10, 2024 at 4:42:09 PM UTC-8 Will M wrote:
>
>> Diff'rent strokes for diff'rent folks!  
>>
>> I swapped out an Ultegra 52x42x30 for a RBW/Silver 42x28 and never looked 
>> back.  (Yes, that little Microshift "skeleton key" front derailer is 
>> brilliant).  And my Yuba cargo bike got the RBW/Silver 38x24 because the 
>> 44x34x24 offered no advantages for a bike that is 100% about transporting 
>> "cargo" (kids) in a city.  I get the appeal of 1X's, but some of the analog 
>> Yuba long-wheelbase cargo bikes that were spec'ed as 1X got a reputation 
>> for throwing chains under load.  Never understood why. 
>>
>> @ Ron Mc: Love the half-step setup.  Love! Have you seen John Schubert's 
>> article "Half Step: The Gearing Choice for the Retrogrouch 
>> "?
>>  
>> (Adventure Cyclist magazine, March 2002)  My bucket list includes a 1983 
>> Specialized Sequoia with this drivetrain. :-)  
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Will 
>> NYC
>>
>> On Wednesday, January 10, 2024 at 10:43:48 AM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> I did that for years with 48/38/28 triples and close ratio (13-21 
>>> commuting, 12-19 gofast) 7 speed drivetrains. It worked well, with most 
>>> riding in the middle ring. ?This ws
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jan 9, 2024 at 5:02 PM Andrew Turner  
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I love a triple paired with an 8 speed or less corncob cassette matched 
 to downtube shifters. That's an amazing roadie configuration right there. 
 Not to mention bomb proof. But I think what rides equally as nice is 11 
 speed 2x setups with a wide range cassette in the rear. The choice for me 
 comes down to looks and vanity. Ron Mc's teaser drivetrain pic is really 
 scratching an itch for me though! 
 On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 5:36:47 PM UTC-6 DavidP wrote:

> I have a couple of bikes with 46/30 front rings and 11-34 cassettes; I 
> end up mainly using them like a double 1x (no, I don't use the 46x11) and 
> for these bikes I like it fine.
>
> In line with Bill's point, pairing a smaller front step with a wider 
> range cassette (but not too crazy) can work well. I recently ended up 
> with 
> a 2x9, 42/34 x 11-40t setup on a bike and it's pretty nice for general 
> use. 
> The smaller front step allows getting over rolling hills using front 
> shifts 
> only, it's got great range (.85:1 - 3.8:1) and still doesn't end up with 
> a 
> bunch of simultaneous front/rear shifting. And the 34t small ring lets 
> you 
> use a standard 110 double crank.
>
> -Dave
> On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 6:13:54 PM UTC-5 J J wrote:
>
>> Steven, thanks for the point about how useful triples are for riding 
>> with big loads, whether for touring, day tripping, shopping, whatever. I 
>> frequently haul loads up hills on my already-heavy Rivs, so a wide gear 
>> range with 24-34-44  or a 26-36-46 triple and a 34- or 36-tooth large 
>> rear 
>> sprocket works great for me. I'm a tinkerer but I don't mess with my 
>> front 
>> ders. They're set it and forget it. I also love the way shiny triple 
>> cranks 
>> look. I've never felt compelled to try a 1x from a functional or 
>> aesthetic 
>> standpoint. 
>>
>> I agree with Johnny that much newfangled bike stuff and trends are 
>> driven by product differentiation and marketing. Sometimes what was once 
>> virtue becomes vice, sometimes what is old becomes new again. 
>>
>> On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 4:14:25 PM UTC-5 Steven Sweedler wrote:
>>
>>> One point that I think is being missed, is for loaded touring bikes 
>>> triples make more sense. Though I am not camping I still am carrying 
>>> around 
>>> 40 lbs on a 32 lb bike, low gears are especially useful on long and/or 
>>> steep hills. When home in central  New Hampshire many of my favorite 
>>> roads 
>>> are diificult if not impossible for me to ride without a 15-18” gear.
>>>
>>> Steven Sweedler
>>> Plymouth, New Hampshire
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jan 9, 2024 at 8:43 PM Chris Halasz  
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I'm planning on going from 3x to 1x on my all-around Tosco'd LHT. 
 Maybe even do that today, and replace the big ring with the Rivendell 
 chainring guard. 

 I haven't used the 48 in a long, long time. As for the 26 inner: 
 there was a t-shirt from the