Re: [RBW] Best Rivendell for pavement riding

[John Dewey]

John, brakes are Ultegra. Light action, yet lots of power.

Jock

On Mon, Mar 4, 2024 at 3:43 PM John Bokman  wrote:

> Fantastic Jock!  What brakes are you using?
>
> -John
>
> On Monday, March 4, 2024 at 9:00:07 AM UTC-8 John Dewey wrote:
>
>> I clearly recall the first time I hopped on my RAM 2004.
>>
>> Epiphany!
>>
>> A few years ago I sent it off for the Joe Bell Treatment…now it’s as
>> beautiful and tasty as any bespoke two-wheeler.
>>
>> https://flic.kr/p/2kafNb7
>>
>> Jock
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 4, 2024 at 8:24 AM Mike Godwin  wrote:
>>
>>> I think my FS Roadeo is a good contender! All prodding aside, it is a
>>> great pavement bike, works well on dirt roads too as it will fit 700x35
>>> tires.
>>> Mike SLO CA
>>> On Monday, March 4, 2024 at 7:50:49 AM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
 The Ram is indeed a worthy contender, but I was thinking of current
 models (I think those I listed are current ...?)

 On Sun, Mar 3, 2024 at 3:49 PM Corwin Zechar  wrote:

> Patrick -
>
> You forgot the Ram!
>
> Regards,
>
> Corwni
> On Saturday, March 2, 2024 at 2:23:07 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Roadeo, Roadini, Sam, Homer, and the Nitto Noodle?
>>
>> FWIW, after having used any number of drop bars, my favorite is the
>> Maes Parallel, available from Rene Herse but not from Rivendell. 
>> (Rivendell
>> ought to offer it!)
>>
>> Patrick Moore, present and former owner of 5 Rivendell drop bar
>> road/roady-ish bikes
>>
>> On Sat, Mar 2, 2024 at 11:56 AM Chuck Blessing 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I really like the Rivendell approach to bikes and bike technology
>>> with the idea of a more upright posture and a long wheelbase for long 
>>> rides
>>> at a comfortable pace, but it seems like the models all lean heavily to
>>> what they call "country bikes."  I like to ride from my house, and that
>>> means riding almost exclusively on smooth (mostly) pavement. Can anyone
>>> suggest which models are better suited for road riding? Reading and
>>> comparing the descriptions, it seems that the Homer might be a good 
>>> choice,
>>> or possibly the Appaloosa or Atlantis? Or the new Charlie Gallop, 
>>> though I
>>> haven't heard much about how it is supposed to ride? I tried a Roadini
>>> (which I recently listed here and sold), but I think it was too big for 
>>> me.
>>> I never felt comfortable on it. Maybe I just needed it in the right 
>>> size.
>>>
>>> I would like the bike to work well with drop bars because of the
>>> multiple hand positions and they're just what I'm used to. I tried a 
>>> bike
>>> with swept bars recently, but found I wasn't comfortable on longer 
>>> rides.
>>> And when riding on streets with minimal shoulder width, I felt like I 
>>> was
>>> going to catch the end of them on mailboxes or other obstacles. Maybe
>>> there's a handlebar in Rivendell's catalog that works well for road 
>>> riding?
>>>
>>> I'd appreciate any comments, especially if someone does this type of
>>> riding and has tried several of these models. Thanks.
>>>
>>> Chuck
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Best Rivendell for pavement riding

[Luke Hendrickson]

Worth noting: the Atlantis *will* be available later this year. 

On Monday, March 4, 2024 at 9:57:14 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:

> The other way to discover what you really want to ride is to buy a lot of 
> bikes that sort of look like what you want (you are not sure what you 
> want), upgrade them all, repeat several times as you try to perfect 
> previously unrealized imperfections, then sell them at a loss. Do this for 
> a couple of decades, then buy customs. This method costs a bit more than 
> the other one.
>
> But yes, ride lots of Rivendells. All those I've owned (I bought 5 
> including a 2nd-gen Ram and kept one that will turn 25 in April) all had a 
> certain common handling and "feel" in common. And I do think that a Ram, if 
> you don't want to spring for a Roadeo, might well be what you are looking 
> for.
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 4, 2024 at 7:39 PM Corwin Zechar  wrote:
>
>> ... Ride lots of bikes - Rivendells if possible. Think carefully about 
>> what you want. Don't be afraid to try different things. Meditate on the 
>> differences. And most of all, practice patience if you are looking for a 
>> Ram.
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Trip Report: Death Valley February 2024

[Patrick Moore]

Thanks for sharing. Someone help with posting photos.

On Sun, Mar 3, 2024 at 9:19 PM Diana H  wrote:

> Map:
> https://www.gaiagps.com/map/?loc=9.6/-116.8781/36.7032=GJ70zopvv3HDAIv6yQW94aTs=09fa1491-18a7-4735-83a2-eb164d4ba0ba
>
> Total miles: ~165 miles
> Total Elevation Gain: ~14,400 ft
>
> *Intro: *
>
> The inspiration for this route came from the Bikepacking.com- Echo-Titus
> Canyon , but Titus
> Canyon is currently closed to all traffic (including bicycles), so we were
> looking for a way to extend our tip another day. We added Rhyolite Canyon
>  from the Dirty
> Freehub.
>
>
>
> *Bicycles*
>
> Diana’s Bike - 2022 Platypus (50 cm, 38x24 crank, 650Bx43mm GravelKing SK
> Knobby tires, Nitto Choco handlebar, and a 9-speed cassette)
>
> Ran’s Bike – 2023 Kona Sutra (stock parts except the tubeless 2.1 inch
> tires)
>
> Mikes Bike – 2022 Salsa Cutthroat (stock parts, 2.2 inch tubeless tires)
>
>
>
> *Day 1. Rhyolite Rumble*
> Total Miles: 46
> Average Speed 8.6mph
>
> We drove from Reno to Spicer Ranch. Spicer Ranch is an amazing campground
> and the owner runs it entirely on donations. Clean bathrooms, hot showers,
> picnic tables, what else could you ask for? Please donate if you stay here.
>
> Our plan today was to ride load-less and ease our way into the trip. We
> arrived at Spicer Ranch a little after 10am and were biking by 10:45am. The
> first few miles went by quickly and we passed by several old mines. There
> is endless gravel to ride out here and you could easily spend the day
> exploring mine to mine. The road is pretty tough in places, but this is how
> it will be the entire trip.
>
> The excitement of beginning our adventure (and being unloaded) had us
> riding fast. We had great views riding toward Grapevine Mountains on
> amazingly packed gravel. I would get a flat somewhere along here but
> patched it up and moved on.
>
> The views would continue but the road would deteriorate into more sand
> than gravel and had us pushing on a few occasions. Ran took a spill during
> a moment of lapsed attention when his tire hit the side of a wash. Luckily
> it was a slow fall and Ran would ride away with minor scratches. Later on
> in the day we hit some washboards and I was going too fast and I got a
> pinch flat. Patched that too, but the pinch flat happened right next to the
> valve and the patch didn’t hold. Replaced the whole tube just before
> Rhyolite. This whole time we saw nobody else on the trails.
>
> Rhyolite Ghost town is very interesting and they have a lot of eccentric
> statues/sculptures. Worth a visit here if you find yourself in the area.
> There were a lot of tourists here and it was little jarring after spending
> the whole day by ourselves.
>
> The night caught us and to try to get back to camp quicker, we abstained
> from the gravel and rode back on highway 95. This was very unpleasant as
> it’s a 2-lane highway with 70 mph speed limits. Most everybody passed us
> with as much room as they could spare, and we could always hop onto the
> gravel sides if we needed. Once back at Spicer Ranch, we set up camp, ate
> our dinners, and all fell into peaceful sleep.
>
>
> *Day 2: Spicer Ranch à Chloride City à Furnace Creek à Echo Canyon*
>
> Total Mileage: 66 Miles
> Max Speed: 34.5mph
> Average: 8.7mph
>
> This was a physically hard day!  We wanted more gravel riding today, so we
> decided to take Chloride City Road to meet up with Death Valley Road. The
> road to Chloride City is all uphill, riding on somewhat loose gravel, and
> many parts so sandy some pushing was needed again. The scenery did not
> disappoint though! Mike found a license plate from 1932! We harbored
> thoughts of going to see Chloride City Ghost Town, but upon seeing that
> Chloride City was another 2000 feet of elevation gain and having just
> climbed a very difficult 1500 feet, we opted to skip it.
>
> We thought we were going to be golden once we got to the turnoff to go
> down, but the decent from Chloride City road is difficult. Thank goodness
> it was downhill because otherwise we would have had to push our bicycles
> 50% more. It was extremely sandy and only the cars with the fattest of
> tires would be safe driving this path.
>
> Once we hit Daylight Pass Road it was jarring to *fly* down pavement to
> Hells Gate Viewpoint (my max speed was almost 35 mph and I’m sure I pumped
> the breaks). We snapped a few photos then turned left and went down Beatty
> Cutoff Road. Again, we would fly down this road (dropping 2500 feet!)
> hitting Highway 190.
>
> Riding on Highway 190 wasn’t the greatest with cars zooming past us, but
> we got lucky and hit some construction. The construction turned the road
> into one way traffic with timed/predictable traffic. We would ride taking
> up a whole lane knowing nobody would come up behind us for a good 10 or so
> minutes. Then when we heard the pack of cars coming 

Re: [RBW] Best Rivendell for pavement riding

[Patrick Moore]

The other way to discover what you really want to ride is to buy a lot of
bikes that sort of look like what you want (you are not sure what you
want), upgrade them all, repeat several times as you try to perfect
previously unrealized imperfections, then sell them at a loss. Do this for
a couple of decades, then buy customs. This method costs a bit more than
the other one.

But yes, ride lots of Rivendells. All those I've owned (I bought 5
including a 2nd-gen Ram and kept one that will turn 25 in April) all had a
certain common handling and "feel" in common. And I do think that a Ram, if
you don't want to spring for a Roadeo, might well be what you are looking
for.


On Mon, Mar 4, 2024 at 7:39 PM Corwin Zechar  wrote:

> ... Ride lots of bikes - Rivendells if possible. Think carefully about
> what you want. Don't be afraid to try different things. Meditate on the
> differences. And most of all, practice patience if you are looking for a
> Ram.
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: XTR, Nitto, B68, Deer Head, XT, other misc. bits

[J J]

*Update #2, the following items are still available:*
   
   - XTR BR-M900 NOS cantilever brakes (one F/R set sold, one F/R set still 
   available)
   - XTR RD-M960 Rapid Rise rear derailleur
   - Deer Head SL-M700 NOS silver shifters

On Friday, March 1, 2024 at 4:45:31 PM UTC-5 J J wrote:

*Update on what is still available, with appreciation to all who reached 
out. I'm open to offers.*


   - XTR BR-M900 NOS cantilever brakes (one F/R set sold, one F/R set still 
   available)


   - XTR RD-M953 Rapid Rise rear derailleur


   - XTR RD-M960 Rapid Rise rear derailleur


   - Brooks B68 (new)
   - Deer Head SL-M700 NOS silver shifters
   
*Items already sold (many thanks!):*


   - BL-M550 brake levers
   - XTR BR-M900 cantilever brakes (second F/R set is still available)


   - VP Components VP-001 Platform Pedals


   - Sugino XD2 triple crankset
   - XTR RD-M950 rear derailleur
   - XT FD-M781 front derailleur
   


On Tuesday, February 27, 2024 at 9:27:52 PM UTC-5 J J wrote:

I'm preparing for a new build and want to clear out stuff I won't be using 
anytime soon. Please reach out privately if you're interested in anything. 
Thanks very much. 
Jim

---

*Nitto Technomic stem* (26, 100mm extension, great cond) $25

[image: nitto stems and shimano brake lever copy.jpg]

*Shimano XT BL-M550 brake levers* (*photo above*, silver, some scuffs, 
mechanically perfect) $20

*XTR BR-M900 cantilever brakes* (gorgeous classic brakes, two F sets, 
both sets NOS, never installed. One set is with box and paperwork, one set 
is without box and dusty) $390 for NIB set, $370 for the other set. 

[image: XTR BR-M900 cantis with box.jpg]
[image: XTR BR-M900 cantis.jpg]

*VP Components VP-001 Platform Pedals* (great condition, removable pins, 
spin super smoothly) $30

[image: VP Components VP-001 Platform Pedals.jpg]

*Sugino XD2 triple crankset*, 175 (74/110 BCD, set up as a 48-34 double, 
rings in great cond, can add small ring. Took off a bike I'm getting 
painted. Shoe rub on arms for a partially polished look lol. great crankset 
at a budget price, and it'll last forever) $40

[image: Sugino triple crank set up as double 48-34 .jpg]

*XTR RD-M950 rear derailleur* (GS, high normal, NOS with box) $245

[image: XTR RD-M950 (NOS) RD-M953 (used).jpg]

*XTR RD-M953 Rapid Rise rear derailleur* (*photo above*, SGS, great 
condition, superficial scuffs, mechanically perfect, pulleys in great 
condition, spin smoothly) $145

*XTR RD-M960 Rapid Rise rear derailleur* (*on left in photo below,* SGS, 
with brand new OEM tension pulley, guide pulley in great cond., body has 
some scuffs, inside of cage has chain rub, clean and perfect mechanical 
cond.) $125

[image: XTR RDs M960, M951.jpg]

*Brooks B68* (brand new, never taken out of box or even handled, honey) 
$150 

[image: Brooks B68 Honey.jpg]

*Shimano XT Deore Deer Head SL-M700 shift levers* (NOS, pristine, 
beautifully overbuilt shifters from the early- to mid-80s! With original 
paperwork, cables, housing) $165 

[image: XT SL-M700 Deer Head.jpg]

*Shimano XT FD-M781 triple front derailleur* (dual pull, dusty, in perfect 
mechanical shape. Took off my Hunqapillar.) $20 

[image: Shimano XT FD-M781.jpg]


* Shipping not included in listed prices

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[RBW] Re: WTT / WTB: your Nitto M12 Front Rack for my Nitto Campee 32F Mini Rack

[J J]

Thanks to everyone who reached out about a trade or purchase. I'm all set 
with an M12 rack now. I appreciate it!

On Sunday, March 3, 2024 at 8:05:12 PM UTC-5 J J wrote:

Hi all — I have a Nitto 32F (new in package) but I want/need a Nitto M12 to 
install using a Riv's cantilever brake bosses. 

If you have an M12 you're not using, please let me know if you're up for a 
trade for the 32F. 

If you have an M12 but would rather sell than trade it, please let me know 
your price. I would want all the hardware (stud bolts) that came with it.

Thanks!

Jim

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Re: [RBW] Best Rivendell for pavement riding

[Corwin Zechar]

In my opinion, the best value in Rivendell bikes for road (and occasional 
off-road) is the Ram. It has longish chainstays. Not as long as current 
models - but plenty long to support wide tires and a comfy ride. The Ram 
has a rather deep bottom bracket drop (77mm in my 60cm size). The only bike 
I have with more bottom bracket drop (and a better, more stable ride) is my 
custom at 80mm. The Ram has a 2.0 degree upsloping top tube and the 
characteristic tall head tube lug. This is great if you want (like Grant) 
to get the bars up. Not as great if (like me) you want to slam the bars. 
Whereas the Sam (and other current models) have a 6.0 degree upsloping top 
tube. This makes it much easier to get the bars up.

The Roadeo geometry is similar to the Ram. The Roadeo has a 2.0 degree 
upsloping top tube and the characteristic Rivendell tall head lug. The 
Roadeo has a 75mm bottom bracket drop (in my size). I am not cognizant of 
the specs - but I think the Roadeo has lighter tubes.

My take is that if you want to get your bars up - buy a Sam. If you prefer 
a much less upright posture, buy a Ram. I admit that buying a Ram is easier 
said than done. However if you are on this list, you already have a head 
start on an important character trait required to acquire a Ram - patience. 
Rams appear on this list, Craigslist, Ebay, etc. periodically. You need to 
keep your eyes peeled for what you want and beat the bushes!

I got my Ram this way. A first generation cream-sicle Ram in excellent 
condition from the previous owner that passed into the great beyond. I 
joined the precursor to this list (before the Google Group) in '97. I have 
watched lots of bikes come and go. Many, many Rivendells.

Ride lots of bikes - Rivendells if possible. Think carefully about what you 
want. Don't be afraid to try different things. Meditate on the differences. 
And most of all, practice patience if you are looking for a Ram.

Regards,

Corwin
On Monday, March 4, 2024 at 5:28:11 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Roadeo would be its direct descendant in a lighter frame handbuilt by Mark 
> Nobilette. The other sidepull-brake frames qualify but they're not classic 
> flat-toptube road bikes. 
>
> On Monday, March 4, 2024 at 5:20:44 PM UTC-8 cfic...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Lots of love for the Rambouillet here! What would be the comparable model 
>> in the current lineup? 
>>
>> On Monday, March 4, 2024 at 7:40:28 PM UTC-5 Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Yeah, Rambouillet is the best!
>>> [image: IMG_8283_Original.jpeg]
>>> -Kai
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sunday, March 3, 2024 at 5:49:08 PM UTC-5 cz...@sonic.net wrote:
>>>
 Patrick -

 You forgot the Ram!

 Regards,

 Corwni
 On Saturday, March 2, 2024 at 2:23:07 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Roadeo, Roadini, Sam, Homer, and the Nitto Noodle?
>
> FWIW, after having used any number of drop bars, my favorite is the 
> Maes Parallel, available from Rene Herse but not from Rivendell. 
> (Rivendell 
> ought to offer it!)
>
> Patrick Moore, present and former owner of 5 Rivendell drop bar 
> road/roady-ish bikes
>
> On Sat, Mar 2, 2024 at 11:56 AM Chuck Blessing  
> wrote:
>
>> I really like the Rivendell approach to bikes and bike technology 
>> with the idea of a more upright posture and a long wheelbase for long 
>> rides 
>> at a comfortable pace, but it seems like the models all lean heavily to 
>> what they call "country bikes."  I like to ride from my house, and that 
>> means riding almost exclusively on smooth (mostly) pavement. Can anyone 
>> suggest which models are better suited for road riding? Reading and 
>> comparing the descriptions, it seems that the Homer might be a good 
>> choice, 
>> or possibly the Appaloosa or Atlantis? Or the new Charlie Gallop, though 
>> I 
>> haven't heard much about how it is supposed to ride? I tried a Roadini 
>> (which I recently listed here and sold), but I think it was too big for 
>> me. 
>> I never felt comfortable on it. Maybe I just needed it in the right 
>> size. 
>>
>> I would like the bike to work well with drop bars because of the 
>> multiple hand positions and they're just what I'm used to. I tried a 
>> bike 
>> with swept bars recently, but found I wasn't comfortable on longer 
>> rides. 
>> And when riding on streets with minimal shoulder width, I felt like I 
>> was 
>> going to catch the end of them on mailboxes or other obstacles. Maybe 
>> there's a handlebar in Rivendell's catalog that works well for road 
>> riding?
>>
>> I'd appreciate any comments, especially if someone does this type of 
>> riding and has tried several of these models. Thanks.
>>
>> Chuck
>>
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Re: [RBW] Winter Riding in Alberta

[Ian Buckley]

I’m so disappointed that I didn’t discover these videos until today! I’ve 
been living in southern Alberta for 4 years and I haven’t found much 
content that captures what it’s like to ride around here. Great videos.

Ian 
Of Toronto, in Calgary, soon to be Victoria
On Monday 4 March 2024 at 16:35:06 UTC-7 John Bokman wrote:

> Fantastic vids (Summer, Autumn, Winter)! Reminds me of riding in Western 
> Montana. Eager to see your spring Vid!
>
> John
> Portland,OR
>
> On Sunday, March 3, 2024 at 8:02:34 AM UTC-8 penne...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I've updated this series with a tale of winter: 
>> https://youtu.be/kJDmtL1OyBk?si=4uUgYg0kLhPasb06
>> Happy Sunday,
>> Mack
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, October 25, 2023 at 11:52:03 AM UTC-6 Mack Penner wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks, Stephen! Glad to hear it :)
>>> Mack 
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, October 24, 2023 at 8:56:01 PM UTC-6 RBW Owners Bunch wrote:
>>>
 These are so good Mack, missed the first one back in august. Makes me 
 want to go ride my bike.

 -stephen

 On Tuesday, October 24, 2023 at 7:15:22 PM UTC-4 RBW Owners Bunch wrote:

> For those inclined to follow along, here's my "tale of fall 
> ," which in 
> southern alberta is now all but over, snow on the ground and still 
> falling, 
> something like -10 degrees Celsius today. If you're hardcore, you might 
> also consider this semi-absurd overnighter 
>  I took my poor 
> brother on at the end of September. 
> Mack
>
> On Sunday, August 27, 2023 at 7:20:18 PM UTC-6 RBW Owners Bunch wrote:
>
>> Great looking rides. Been a while since I explored that part of the 
>> world. 
>>
>> On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 6:40:53 PM UTC-4 Andrew Letton wrote:
>>
>>> Love it!  Especially the butterfly cameo!
>>> cheers from Oz,
>>> Andrew
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 01:36:32 AM GMT+10, Mack Penner <
>>> penne...@gmail.com> wrote: 
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi people,
>>> I have been on a small eric rohmer kick this year, and when I 
>>> started watching the tales of the four seasons it occurred to me that 
>>> it 
>>> would be fun to document a week of riding in every season. I had the 
>>> idea 
>>> in the summer, so first up is my tale of the summer. Nothin' fancy, I 
>>> just 
>>> perched my phone on my water bottle like a hundred times during my 
>>> daily 
>>> rides in the week from 14-18 August. I was gonna put it to music, but 
>>> then 
>>> I thought that if the goal is to document seasonal riding vibes the 
>>> sounds 
>>> that the season makes are important! Filmed in southern alberta on my 
>>> atlantis, my joe, my homer, and finally my quickbeam. 
>>> Vid's here . Hope you 
>>> find it fun!
>>> Enjoy the rest of August,
>>> Mack 
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Best Rivendell for pavement riding

[Joe Bernard]

Roadeo would be its direct descendant in a lighter frame handbuilt by Mark 
Nobilette. The other sidepull-brake frames qualify but they're not classic 
flat-toptube road bikes. 

On Monday, March 4, 2024 at 5:20:44 PM UTC-8 cfic...@gmail.com wrote:

> Lots of love for the Rambouillet here! What would be the comparable model 
> in the current lineup? 
>
> On Monday, March 4, 2024 at 7:40:28 PM UTC-5 Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY wrote:
>
>> Yeah, Rambouillet is the best!
>> [image: IMG_8283_Original.jpeg]
>> -Kai
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, March 3, 2024 at 5:49:08 PM UTC-5 cz...@sonic.net wrote:
>>
>>> Patrick -
>>>
>>> You forgot the Ram!
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Corwni
>>> On Saturday, March 2, 2024 at 2:23:07 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
 Roadeo, Roadini, Sam, Homer, and the Nitto Noodle?

 FWIW, after having used any number of drop bars, my favorite is the 
 Maes Parallel, available from Rene Herse but not from Rivendell. 
 (Rivendell 
 ought to offer it!)

 Patrick Moore, present and former owner of 5 Rivendell drop bar 
 road/roady-ish bikes

 On Sat, Mar 2, 2024 at 11:56 AM Chuck Blessing  
 wrote:

> I really like the Rivendell approach to bikes and bike technology with 
> the idea of a more upright posture and a long wheelbase for long rides at 
> a 
> comfortable pace, but it seems like the models all lean heavily to what 
> they call "country bikes."  I like to ride from my house, and that means 
> riding almost exclusively on smooth (mostly) pavement. Can anyone suggest 
> which models are better suited for road riding? Reading and comparing the 
> descriptions, it seems that the Homer might be a good choice, or possibly 
> the Appaloosa or Atlantis? Or the new Charlie Gallop, though I haven't 
> heard much about how it is supposed to ride? I tried a Roadini (which I 
> recently listed here and sold), but I think it was too big for me. I 
> never 
> felt comfortable on it. Maybe I just needed it in the right size. 
>
> I would like the bike to work well with drop bars because of the 
> multiple hand positions and they're just what I'm used to. I tried a bike 
> with swept bars recently, but found I wasn't comfortable on longer rides. 
> And when riding on streets with minimal shoulder width, I felt like I was 
> going to catch the end of them on mailboxes or other obstacles. Maybe 
> there's a handlebar in Rivendell's catalog that works well for road 
> riding?
>
> I'd appreciate any comments, especially if someone does this type of 
> riding and has tried several of these models. Thanks.
>
> Chuck
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Re: [RBW] Best Rivendell for pavement riding

[Chuck Blessing]

Lots of love for the Rambouillet here! What would be the comparable model 
in the current lineup? 

On Monday, March 4, 2024 at 7:40:28 PM UTC-5 Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY wrote:

> Yeah, Rambouillet is the best!
> [image: IMG_8283_Original.jpeg]
> -Kai
>
>
>
> On Sunday, March 3, 2024 at 5:49:08 PM UTC-5 cz...@sonic.net wrote:
>
>> Patrick -
>>
>> You forgot the Ram!
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Corwni
>> On Saturday, March 2, 2024 at 2:23:07 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> Roadeo, Roadini, Sam, Homer, and the Nitto Noodle?
>>>
>>> FWIW, after having used any number of drop bars, my favorite is the Maes 
>>> Parallel, available from Rene Herse but not from Rivendell. (Rivendell 
>>> ought to offer it!)
>>>
>>> Patrick Moore, present and former owner of 5 Rivendell drop bar 
>>> road/roady-ish bikes
>>>
>>> On Sat, Mar 2, 2024 at 11:56 AM Chuck Blessing  
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I really like the Rivendell approach to bikes and bike technology with 
 the idea of a more upright posture and a long wheelbase for long rides at 
 a 
 comfortable pace, but it seems like the models all lean heavily to what 
 they call "country bikes."  I like to ride from my house, and that means 
 riding almost exclusively on smooth (mostly) pavement. Can anyone suggest 
 which models are better suited for road riding? Reading and comparing the 
 descriptions, it seems that the Homer might be a good choice, or possibly 
 the Appaloosa or Atlantis? Or the new Charlie Gallop, though I haven't 
 heard much about how it is supposed to ride? I tried a Roadini (which I 
 recently listed here and sold), but I think it was too big for me. I never 
 felt comfortable on it. Maybe I just needed it in the right size. 

 I would like the bike to work well with drop bars because of the 
 multiple hand positions and they're just what I'm used to. I tried a bike 
 with swept bars recently, but found I wasn't comfortable on longer rides. 
 And when riding on streets with minimal shoulder width, I felt like I was 
 going to catch the end of them on mailboxes or other obstacles. Maybe 
 there's a handlebar in Rivendell's catalog that works well for road riding?

 I'd appreciate any comments, especially if someone does this type of 
 riding and has tried several of these models. Thanks.

 Chuck

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[RBW] Re: FS- 59cm XL susie longbolts frame & fork in dark gold

[zc]

edit: to clarify- this is the previous gen fillet brazed version, not the 
current lug'd one. 

On Monday, March 4, 2024 at 9:43:40 AM UTC-7 zc wrote:

> hi folks-
> i was the lucky one who grabbed the silver double top tube'd JA that was 
> floating around a few weeks ago (thx for the tip, phil...and thanks for the 
> frame, gary!).
> in order to cover my costs for the JA AND to make room in the shed- this 
> frees up my 59cm XL susie in dark gold. 
> frame + fork = $1,100 + shipping via bike flights. payment by venmo or 
> paypal friends/fam.
> a few little chips to the paint here and there but very well loved and 
> taken care of-- i'll strip it down and post pix in the next few days but 
> thought i'd put the word out now if anyone is tempted by the new susie's 
> but is having a tough time coughing up the bucks.
> i LOVE these step-thru's...just dealing with a bit of redundancy in the 
> fleet...you know how it goes!
> cheers,
> zach in CO
>
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[RBW] Re: FS- 59cm XL susie longbolts frame & fork in dark gold - UPDATED WITH PIX

[zc]

as promised- some pix! w/ close up's of the more noteworthy dings to the 
paint...nothing dramatic, i take good care of my bikes BUT i do ride them 
quite a bit so these things happen. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯  
https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fo/hd3iiqvmva4hjshbpaste/h?rlkey=wnp8rgldl0jkel64i769hsph1=0
 
notes: chris king crown race on the fork and newbaum's goo on the chainstay 
will both be removed when purchased. 
thanks!

On Monday, March 4, 2024 at 9:43:40 AM UTC-7 zc wrote:

> hi folks-
> i was the lucky one who grabbed the silver double top tube'd JA that was 
> floating around a few weeks ago (thx for the tip, phil...and thanks for the 
> frame, gary!).
> in order to cover my costs for the JA AND to make room in the shed- this 
> frees up my 59cm XL susie in dark gold. 
> frame + fork = $1,100 + shipping via bike flights. payment by venmo or 
> paypal friends/fam.
> a few little chips to the paint here and there but very well loved and 
> taken care of-- i'll strip it down and post pix in the next few days but 
> thought i'd put the word out now if anyone is tempted by the new susie's 
> but is having a tough time coughing up the bucks.
> i LOVE these step-thru's...just dealing with a bit of redundancy in the 
> fleet...you know how it goes!
> cheers,
> zach in CO
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Best Rivendell for pavement riding

[Ryan Mulcahy]

Hi! This is my first time posting. My wife has a Joe and I brought home a 
Hilsen in the fall. They are both beautiful bikes and wonderful rides. The 
Hilsen has a little more zip, it seems to me - I'd say if you're absolutely 
sure about pavement-only, try for that. But the Joe is not a slow bike 
(it's not a race bike either!) -- it just takes a little longer to get up 
to speed -- and is prob a touch more versatile. It's not quite as drop bar 
friendly, however, so that's something to consider. 



On Monday, March 4, 2024 at 12:00:07 PM UTC-5 John Dewey wrote:

> I clearly recall the first time I hopped on my RAM 2004. 
>
> Epiphany! 
>
> A few years ago I sent it off for the Joe Bell Treatment…now it’s as 
> beautiful and tasty as any bespoke two-wheeler. 
>
> https://flic.kr/p/2kafNb7
>
> Jock
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 4, 2024 at 8:24 AM Mike Godwin  wrote:
>
>> I think my FS Roadeo is a good contender! All prodding aside, it is a 
>> great pavement bike, works well on dirt roads too as it will fit 700x35 
>> tires.
>> Mike SLO CA
>> On Monday, March 4, 2024 at 7:50:49 AM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> The Ram is indeed a worthy contender, but I was thinking of current 
>>> models (I think those I listed are current ...?)
>>>
>>> On Sun, Mar 3, 2024 at 3:49 PM Corwin Zechar  wrote:
>>>
 Patrick -

 You forgot the Ram!

 Regards,

 Corwni
 On Saturday, March 2, 2024 at 2:23:07 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Roadeo, Roadini, Sam, Homer, and the Nitto Noodle?
>
> FWIW, after having used any number of drop bars, my favorite is the 
> Maes Parallel, available from Rene Herse but not from Rivendell. 
> (Rivendell 
> ought to offer it!)
>
> Patrick Moore, present and former owner of 5 Rivendell drop bar 
> road/roady-ish bikes
>
> On Sat, Mar 2, 2024 at 11:56 AM Chuck Blessing  
> wrote:
>
>> I really like the Rivendell approach to bikes and bike technology 
>> with the idea of a more upright posture and a long wheelbase for long 
>> rides 
>> at a comfortable pace, but it seems like the models all lean heavily to 
>> what they call "country bikes."  I like to ride from my house, and that 
>> means riding almost exclusively on smooth (mostly) pavement. Can anyone 
>> suggest which models are better suited for road riding? Reading and 
>> comparing the descriptions, it seems that the Homer might be a good 
>> choice, 
>> or possibly the Appaloosa or Atlantis? Or the new Charlie Gallop, though 
>> I 
>> haven't heard much about how it is supposed to ride? I tried a Roadini 
>> (which I recently listed here and sold), but I think it was too big for 
>> me. 
>> I never felt comfortable on it. Maybe I just needed it in the right 
>> size. 
>>
>> I would like the bike to work well with drop bars because of the 
>> multiple hand positions and they're just what I'm used to. I tried a 
>> bike 
>> with swept bars recently, but found I wasn't comfortable on longer 
>> rides. 
>> And when riding on streets with minimal shoulder width, I felt like I 
>> was 
>> going to catch the end of them on mailboxes or other obstacles. Maybe 
>> there's a handlebar in Rivendell's catalog that works well for road 
>> riding?
>>
>> I'd appreciate any comments, especially if someone does this type of 
>> riding and has tried several of these models. Thanks.
>>
>> Chuck
>>
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[RBW] Re: Hub recommendations for Velocity Cliffhangers

[Chris Copeland]

I second all the recommendations for bitex. 

On Monday, March 4, 2024 at 11:28:27 AM UTC-8 wboe...@gmail.com wrote:

> It really just comes down to what your disposale income looks like, I 
> think.  Freehubs and endcaps are all replaceable on Bitex.  I now find DT 
> Swiss to be a happy medium (and I prefer the reliability / 
> interchangeability of the star ratchet + rebuildable nature of DT hubs).  
> But you're not getting silver.
>
> Will
>
> On Monday, March 4, 2024 at 2:19:43 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> The Bitex definitely seem to be the best bang for the buck, but I'm not 
>> crazy about the indirect implication that if you spend top dollar for White 
>> Industries, you're paying for hype, advertising, and pro sponsorships.  In 
>> my view it's mostly the economics of a medium sized Taiwanese factory vs a 
>> small boutique California machine shop.  
>>
>> On the feature side, I like the feature of being able to change freehub 
>> bodies on my White Industries hubs.  I have both SRAM XD and Shimano HG "in 
>> stock" to give myself flexibility in my stable.  Can we do that on Bitex?
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Monday, March 4, 2024 at 11:08:36 AM UTC-8 Will Boericke wrote:
>>
>>> 100%.  I've built a number of wheels around them and all are still going 
>>> strong, some not in my possession anymore.  This includes several sets of 
>>> mtb hubs that are not coddled.  The only thing I've ever had to do to them 
>>> is replace bearings on a front hub.  Well, and occasionally clean and 
>>> relube the pawls.
>>>
>>> Will
>>>
>>> On Monday, March 4, 2024 at 1:24:19 PM UTC-5 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>>
 I find the Analog review of the Bitex hub to be very accurate. They are 
 very close to the WI hubs at a small fraction of the cost. Amazing at 
 quality and price but with zero hyper around them.

 On Monday, March 4, 2024 at 11:43:54 AM UTC-5 gril...@gmail.com wrote:

> My Appaloosa is being built up with a Bitex rear touring hub. 
> Wheels are being built up this week - I'll report back once they (and 
> the bike) are ready!
>
> On Sunday 3 March 2024 at 09:56:15 UTC+10:30 Josh C wrote:
>
>> I'd recommend a set of white industries hubs if you are looking for 
>> something more high-end. Smoothest hubs I've seen. 
>>
>> On Saturday, March 2, 2024 at 6:04:12 PM UTC-5 Luke Hendrickson wrote:
>>
>>> I second Deore LX! I had those front & rear until I laced up a front 
>>> wheel with a Kasai FS dynamo hub.
>>>
>>> On Saturday, March 2, 2024 at 2:11:58 PM UTC-8 aeroperf wrote:
>>>
 I like the Deore LX trekking equipment.  A rear hub would be 
 FH-T670.
 Quiet and bulletproof.  I’ve laced them to Velocity Atlas and 
 Velocity Dyads.
 For a front hub, I tend to use Shimano 105s because they are 
 reliable and reasonably cheap.



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[RBW] Re: Trip Report: Death Valley February 2024

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

This was THOROUGHLY enjoyable to read. Wow, Diana, so impressive. And the 
best writing - I could actually picture what you were experiencing. And 
then I looked at your photos and I giggled seeing what you rode that 
Platypus through. Good for you! And I’m envious of your cool college 
friends that you go adventuring with. Thank you for taking the time to 
write this and delight us all.
Leah

On Sunday, March 3, 2024 at 11:19:20 PM UTC-5 diana@gmail.com wrote:

> Map: 
> https://www.gaiagps.com/map/?loc=9.6/-116.8781/36.7032=GJ70zopvv3HDAIv6yQW94aTs=09fa1491-18a7-4735-83a2-eb164d4ba0ba
>
> Total miles: ~165 miles 
> Total Elevation Gain: ~14,400 ft 
>
> *Intro: *
>
> The inspiration for this route came from the Bikepacking.com- Echo-Titus 
> Canyon , but Titus 
> Canyon is currently closed to all traffic (including bicycles), so we were 
> looking for a way to extend our tip another day. We added Rhyolite Canyon 
>  from the Dirty 
> Freehub.
>
>  
>
> *Bicycles*
>
> Diana’s Bike - 2022 Platypus (50 cm, 38x24 crank, 650Bx43mm GravelKing SK 
> Knobby tires, Nitto Choco handlebar, and a 9-speed cassette)
>
> Ran’s Bike – 2023 Kona Sutra (stock parts except the tubeless 2.1 inch 
> tires)
>
> Mikes Bike – 2022 Salsa Cutthroat (stock parts, 2.2 inch tubeless tires)
>
>  
>
> *Day 1. Rhyolite Rumble*
> Total Miles: 46
> Average Speed 8.6mph
>
> We drove from Reno to Spicer Ranch. Spicer Ranch is an amazing campground 
> and the owner runs it entirely on donations. Clean bathrooms, hot showers, 
> picnic tables, what else could you ask for? Please donate if you stay here. 
>
> Our plan today was to ride load-less and ease our way into the trip. We 
> arrived at Spicer Ranch a little after 10am and were biking by 10:45am. The 
> first few miles went by quickly and we passed by several old mines. There 
> is endless gravel to ride out here and you could easily spend the day 
> exploring mine to mine. The road is pretty tough in places, but this is how 
> it will be the entire trip.
>
> The excitement of beginning our adventure (and being unloaded) had us 
> riding fast. We had great views riding toward Grapevine Mountains on 
> amazingly packed gravel. I would get a flat somewhere along here but 
> patched it up and moved on. 
>
> The views would continue but the road would deteriorate into more sand 
> than gravel and had us pushing on a few occasions. Ran took a spill during 
> a moment of lapsed attention when his tire hit the side of a wash. Luckily 
> it was a slow fall and Ran would ride away with minor scratches. Later on 
> in the day we hit some washboards and I was going too fast and I got a 
> pinch flat. Patched that too, but the pinch flat happened right next to the 
> valve and the patch didn’t hold. Replaced the whole tube just before 
> Rhyolite. This whole time we saw nobody else on the trails.
>
> Rhyolite Ghost town is very interesting and they have a lot of eccentric 
> statues/sculptures. Worth a visit here if you find yourself in the area. 
> There were a lot of tourists here and it was little jarring after spending 
> the whole day by ourselves. 
>
> The night caught us and to try to get back to camp quicker, we abstained 
> from the gravel and rode back on highway 95. This was very unpleasant as 
> it’s a 2-lane highway with 70 mph speed limits. Most everybody passed us 
> with as much room as they could spare, and we could always hop onto the 
> gravel sides if we needed. Once back at Spicer Ranch, we set up camp, ate 
> our dinners, and all fell into peaceful sleep.
>
>
> *Day 2: Spicer Ranch à Chloride City à Furnace Creek à Echo Canyon*
>
> Total Mileage: 66 Miles
> Max Speed: 34.5mph
> Average: 8.7mph
>
> This was a physically hard day!  We wanted more gravel riding today, so we 
> decided to take Chloride City Road to meet up with Death Valley Road. The 
> road to Chloride City is all uphill, riding on somewhat loose gravel, and 
> many parts so sandy some pushing was needed again. The scenery did not 
> disappoint though! Mike found a license plate from 1932! We harbored 
> thoughts of going to see Chloride City Ghost Town, but upon seeing that 
> Chloride City was another 2000 feet of elevation gain and having just 
> climbed a very difficult 1500 feet, we opted to skip it.
>
> We thought we were going to be golden once we got to the turnoff to go 
> down, but the decent from Chloride City road is difficult. Thank goodness 
> it was downhill because otherwise we would have had to push our bicycles 
> 50% more. It was extremely sandy and only the cars with the fattest of 
> tires would be safe driving this path.
>
> Once we hit Daylight Pass Road it was jarring to *fly* down pavement to 
> Hells Gate Viewpoint (my max speed was almost 35 mph and I’m sure I pumped 
> the breaks). We snapped a few photos then turned left and went down Beatty 
> Cutoff Road. Again, we would 

[RBW] FS: 650b x 48mm Soma Cazaderos

[Drew Fitchette]

I'm selling a pair of 650b x 50mm Soma Cazaderos that have less than 100 
miles on them. I got them from Riv last month and won't need them now, but 
they're great tires! 

I paid $134 + tax & shipping for the pair. Looking for $100+ shipping for 
both of them, and can ship however folks want! 

can send photos to anyone interested!

- Drew 

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RE: [RBW] Re: Rim life - shimano vs. other brake pads?

[Bernard Duhon]

I have two sets of 26 inch rims:
one has dots periodically drilled into the surface. When the surface gets worn 
down & the dots disappear and you should replace the rim.

I have another set which has a groove all the way around the rim in the center 
of the breaking surface. When that grove disappears it's time to replace the 
rim.

It was a practice common though not universal in mountain bike rims.

All rim brake manufacturers should do that.

Measuring wear with a set of calipers is imprecise at best.

Each rim manufacturer may have different standards as to how thin the breaking 
surface can get before replacement. If they do there are  a lot of “ safety 
considerations ” baked in.

After 12,000 miles of few gravel & fewer hills the  “dots” are still visible.>

From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Brian Forsee
Sent: Monday, March 4, 2024 9:56 AM
To: RBW Owners Bunch 
Subject: [RBW] Re: Rim life - shimano vs. other brake pads?

At the risk of sending this thread on a tangent, I will pose a related question.

How do you measure rim wear due to braking? Anecdotally? Or do you put numbers 
to it? How worn do you go before replacing a rim purely due to brake wear?

-Brian

On Monday, March 4, 2024 at 8:45:46 AM UTC-6 
josh.yo...@gmail.com wrote:
100% agree with Will. I use Swissstop GXP Blues on my road bikes and Kool Stop 
salmons on everything else (Paul’s, MAFAC’s, etc.). I find that Kool Stop 
blacks chew through rims in our Seattle weather.

Josh
Seattle, WA
On Sunday, March 3, 2024 at 11:56:18 AM UTC-8 Will Boericke wrote:
I only ever use Kool Stop Salmon or SwissStop BXP.  No other pad is worth my 
time.  I fully realize my post is not useful to you at all :)

Will

On Sunday, March 3, 2024 at 4:51:29 AM UTC-5 chintan jadwani wrote:
I was looking for reviews on a specific rim (Sun CR18) and ended up on a Thorn 
forum where users kept mentioning that they were experiencing shorter rim life 
as Shimano brake pads were eating up the brake surface much faster - and 
switching brake pads made a significant difference.

I'm curious if any of your experiences have been similar?

chintan
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RE: [RBW] Best Rivendell for pavement riding

[Bernard Duhon]

Acorn Medium saddlebag
My favorite by far.

From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of John Bokman
Sent: Monday, March 4, 2024 5:44 PM
To: RBW Owners Bunch 
Subject: Re: [RBW] Best Rivendell for pavement riding

Fantastic Jock!  What brakes are you using?

-John
On Monday, March 4, 2024 at 9:00:07 AM UTC-8 John Dewey wrote:
I clearly recall the first time I hopped on my RAM 2004.

Epiphany!

A few years ago I sent it off for the Joe Bell Treatment…now it’s as beautiful 
and tasty as any bespoke two-wheeler.

https://flic.kr/p/2kafNb7

Jock






On Mon, Mar 4, 2024 at 8:24 AM Mike Godwin  wrote:
I think my FS Roadeo is a good contender! All prodding aside, it is a great 
pavement bike, works well on dirt roads too as it will fit 700x35 tires.
Mike SLO CA
On Monday, March 4, 2024 at 7:50:49 AM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
The Ram is indeed a worthy contender, but I was thinking of current models (I 
think those I listed are current ...?)

On Sun, Mar 3, 2024 at 3:49 PM Corwin Zechar 
mailto:cz...@sonic.net>> wrote:
Patrick -

You forgot the Ram!

Regards,

Corwni
On Saturday, March 2, 2024 at 2:23:07 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
Roadeo, Roadini, Sam, Homer, and the Nitto Noodle?

FWIW, after having used any number of drop bars, my favorite is the Maes 
Parallel, available from Rene Herse but not from Rivendell. (Rivendell ought to 
offer it!)

Patrick Moore, present and former owner of 5 Rivendell drop bar road/roady-ish 
bikes

On Sat, Mar 2, 2024 at 11:56 AM Chuck Blessing 
mailto:cfic...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I really like the Rivendell approach to bikes and bike technology with the idea 
of a more upright posture and a long wheelbase for long rides at a comfortable 
pace, but it seems like the models all lean heavily to what they call "country 
bikes."  I like to ride from my house, and that means riding almost exclusively 
on smooth (mostly) pavement. Can anyone suggest which models are better suited 
for road riding? Reading and comparing the descriptions, it seems that the 
Homer might be a good choice, or possibly the Appaloosa or Atlantis? Or the new 
Charlie Gallop, though I haven't heard much about how it is supposed to ride? I 
tried a Roadini (which I recently listed here and sold), but I think it was too 
big for me. I never felt comfortable on it. Maybe I just needed it in the right 
size.

I would like the bike to work well with drop bars because of the multiple hand 
positions and they're just what I'm used to. I tried a bike with swept bars 
recently, but found I wasn't comfortable on longer rides. And when riding on 
streets with minimal shoulder width, I felt like I was going to catch the end 
of them on mailboxes or other obstacles. Maybe there's a handlebar in 
Rivendell's catalog that works well for road riding?

I'd appreciate any comments, especially if someone does this type of riding and 
has tried several of these models. Thanks.

Chuck
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Re: [RBW] Best Rivendell for pavement riding

[John Bokman]

Fantastic Jock!  What brakes are you using?

-John

On Monday, March 4, 2024 at 9:00:07 AM UTC-8 John Dewey wrote:

> I clearly recall the first time I hopped on my RAM 2004. 
>
> Epiphany! 
>
> A few years ago I sent it off for the Joe Bell Treatment…now it’s as 
> beautiful and tasty as any bespoke two-wheeler. 
>
> https://flic.kr/p/2kafNb7
>
> Jock
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 4, 2024 at 8:24 AM Mike Godwin  wrote:
>
>> I think my FS Roadeo is a good contender! All prodding aside, it is a 
>> great pavement bike, works well on dirt roads too as it will fit 700x35 
>> tires.
>> Mike SLO CA
>> On Monday, March 4, 2024 at 7:50:49 AM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> The Ram is indeed a worthy contender, but I was thinking of current 
>>> models (I think those I listed are current ...?)
>>>
>>> On Sun, Mar 3, 2024 at 3:49 PM Corwin Zechar  wrote:
>>>
 Patrick -

 You forgot the Ram!

 Regards,

 Corwni
 On Saturday, March 2, 2024 at 2:23:07 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Roadeo, Roadini, Sam, Homer, and the Nitto Noodle?
>
> FWIW, after having used any number of drop bars, my favorite is the 
> Maes Parallel, available from Rene Herse but not from Rivendell. 
> (Rivendell 
> ought to offer it!)
>
> Patrick Moore, present and former owner of 5 Rivendell drop bar 
> road/roady-ish bikes
>
> On Sat, Mar 2, 2024 at 11:56 AM Chuck Blessing  
> wrote:
>
>> I really like the Rivendell approach to bikes and bike technology 
>> with the idea of a more upright posture and a long wheelbase for long 
>> rides 
>> at a comfortable pace, but it seems like the models all lean heavily to 
>> what they call "country bikes."  I like to ride from my house, and that 
>> means riding almost exclusively on smooth (mostly) pavement. Can anyone 
>> suggest which models are better suited for road riding? Reading and 
>> comparing the descriptions, it seems that the Homer might be a good 
>> choice, 
>> or possibly the Appaloosa or Atlantis? Or the new Charlie Gallop, though 
>> I 
>> haven't heard much about how it is supposed to ride? I tried a Roadini 
>> (which I recently listed here and sold), but I think it was too big for 
>> me. 
>> I never felt comfortable on it. Maybe I just needed it in the right 
>> size. 
>>
>> I would like the bike to work well with drop bars because of the 
>> multiple hand positions and they're just what I'm used to. I tried a 
>> bike 
>> with swept bars recently, but found I wasn't comfortable on longer 
>> rides. 
>> And when riding on streets with minimal shoulder width, I felt like I 
>> was 
>> going to catch the end of them on mailboxes or other obstacles. Maybe 
>> there's a handlebar in Rivendell's catalog that works well for road 
>> riding?
>>
>> I'd appreciate any comments, especially if someone does this type of 
>> riding and has tried several of these models. Thanks.
>>
>> Chuck
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Re: [RBW] Winter Riding in Alberta

[John Bokman]

Fantastic vids (Summer, Autumn, Winter)! Reminds me of riding in Western 
Montana. Eager to see your spring Vid!

John
Portland,OR

On Sunday, March 3, 2024 at 8:02:34 AM UTC-8 penne...@gmail.com wrote:

> I've updated this series with a tale of winter: 
> https://youtu.be/kJDmtL1OyBk?si=4uUgYg0kLhPasb06
> Happy Sunday,
> Mack
>
>
> On Wednesday, October 25, 2023 at 11:52:03 AM UTC-6 Mack Penner wrote:
>
>> Thanks, Stephen! Glad to hear it :)
>> Mack 
>>
>> On Tuesday, October 24, 2023 at 8:56:01 PM UTC-6 RBW Owners Bunch wrote:
>>
>>> These are so good Mack, missed the first one back in august. Makes me 
>>> want to go ride my bike.
>>>
>>> -stephen
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, October 24, 2023 at 7:15:22 PM UTC-4 RBW Owners Bunch wrote:
>>>
 For those inclined to follow along, here's my "tale of fall 
 ," which in southern 
 alberta is now all but over, snow on the ground and still falling, 
 something like -10 degrees Celsius today. If you're hardcore, you might 
 also consider this semi-absurd overnighter 
  I took my poor 
 brother on at the end of September. 
 Mack

 On Sunday, August 27, 2023 at 7:20:18 PM UTC-6 RBW Owners Bunch wrote:

> Great looking rides. Been a while since I explored that part of the 
> world. 
>
> On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 6:40:53 PM UTC-4 Andrew Letton wrote:
>
>> Love it!  Especially the butterfly cameo!
>> cheers from Oz,
>> Andrew
>>
>> On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 01:36:32 AM GMT+10, Mack Penner <
>> penne...@gmail.com> wrote: 
>>
>>
>> Hi people,
>> I have been on a small eric rohmer kick this year, and when I started 
>> watching the tales of the four seasons it occurred to me that it would 
>> be 
>> fun to document a week of riding in every season. I had the idea in the 
>> summer, so first up is my tale of the summer. Nothin' fancy, I just 
>> perched 
>> my phone on my water bottle like a hundred times during my daily rides 
>> in 
>> the week from 14-18 August. I was gonna put it to music, but then I 
>> thought 
>> that if the goal is to document seasonal riding vibes the sounds that 
>> the 
>> season makes are important! Filmed in southern alberta on my atlantis, 
>> my 
>> joe, my homer, and finally my quickbeam. 
>> Vid's here . Hope you 
>> find it fun!
>> Enjoy the rest of August,
>> Mack 
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[RBW] Re: Trip Report: Death Valley February 2024

[Jim M.]

Great report and photos! Thanks for sharing.

jim m
walnut creek

On Sunday, March 3, 2024 at 8:33:37 PM UTC-8 Diana H wrote:

> Is there a way to post photo's? I tried to post just a single photo and 
> kept getting error's that the message was too long. So here is a link to 
> some photo's.
>
>
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/m6ymTWsmPXiiwr8P9 
>
>
> On Sunday, March 3, 2024 at 8:19:20 PM UTC-8 Diana H wrote:
>
>> Map: 
>> https://www.gaiagps.com/map/?loc=9.6/-116.8781/36.7032=GJ70zopvv3HDAIv6yQW94aTs=09fa1491-18a7-4735-83a2-eb164d4ba0ba
>>
>> Total miles: ~165 miles 
>> Total Elevation Gain: ~14,400 ft 
>>
>> *Intro: *
>>
>> The inspiration for this route came from the Bikepacking.com- Echo-Titus 
>> Canyon , but Titus 
>> Canyon is currently closed to all traffic (including bicycles), so we were 
>> looking for a way to extend our tip another day. We added Rhyolite Canyon 
>>  from the Dirty 
>> Freehub.
>>
>>  
>>
>> *Bicycles*
>>
>> Diana’s Bike - 2022 Platypus (50 cm, 38x24 crank, 650Bx43mm GravelKing SK 
>> Knobby tires, Nitto Choco handlebar, and a 9-speed cassette)
>>
>> Ran’s Bike – 2023 Kona Sutra (stock parts except the tubeless 2.1 inch 
>> tires)
>>
>> Mikes Bike – 2022 Salsa Cutthroat (stock parts, 2.2 inch tubeless tires)
>>
>>  
>>
>> *Day 1. Rhyolite Rumble*
>> Total Miles: 46
>> Average Speed 8.6mph
>>
>> We drove from Reno to Spicer Ranch. Spicer Ranch is an amazing campground 
>> and the owner runs it entirely on donations. Clean bathrooms, hot showers, 
>> picnic tables, what else could you ask for? Please donate if you stay here. 
>>
>> Our plan today was to ride load-less and ease our way into the trip. We 
>> arrived at Spicer Ranch a little after 10am and were biking by 10:45am. The 
>> first few miles went by quickly and we passed by several old mines. There 
>> is endless gravel to ride out here and you could easily spend the day 
>> exploring mine to mine. The road is pretty tough in places, but this is how 
>> it will be the entire trip.
>>
>> The excitement of beginning our adventure (and being unloaded) had us 
>> riding fast. We had great views riding toward Grapevine Mountains on 
>> amazingly packed gravel. I would get a flat somewhere along here but 
>> patched it up and moved on. 
>>
>> The views would continue but the road would deteriorate into more sand 
>> than gravel and had us pushing on a few occasions. Ran took a spill during 
>> a moment of lapsed attention when his tire hit the side of a wash. Luckily 
>> it was a slow fall and Ran would ride away with minor scratches. Later on 
>> in the day we hit some washboards and I was going too fast and I got a 
>> pinch flat. Patched that too, but the pinch flat happened right next to the 
>> valve and the patch didn’t hold. Replaced the whole tube just before 
>> Rhyolite. This whole time we saw nobody else on the trails.
>>
>> Rhyolite Ghost town is very interesting and they have a lot of eccentric 
>> statues/sculptures. Worth a visit here if you find yourself in the area. 
>> There were a lot of tourists here and it was little jarring after spending 
>> the whole day by ourselves. 
>>
>> The night caught us and to try to get back to camp quicker, we abstained 
>> from the gravel and rode back on highway 95. This was very unpleasant as 
>> it’s a 2-lane highway with 70 mph speed limits. Most everybody passed us 
>> with as much room as they could spare, and we could always hop onto the 
>> gravel sides if we needed. Once back at Spicer Ranch, we set up camp, ate 
>> our dinners, and all fell into peaceful sleep.
>>
>>
>> *Day 2: Spicer Ranch à Chloride City à Furnace Creek à Echo Canyon*
>>
>> Total Mileage: 66 Miles
>> Max Speed: 34.5mph
>> Average: 8.7mph
>>
>> This was a physically hard day!  We wanted more gravel riding today, so 
>> we decided to take Chloride City Road to meet up with Death Valley Road. 
>> The road to Chloride City is all uphill, riding on somewhat loose gravel, 
>> and many parts so sandy some pushing was needed again. The scenery did not 
>> disappoint though! Mike found a license plate from 1932! We harbored 
>> thoughts of going to see Chloride City Ghost Town, but upon seeing that 
>> Chloride City was another 2000 feet of elevation gain and having just 
>> climbed a very difficult 1500 feet, we opted to skip it.
>>
>> We thought we were going to be golden once we got to the turnoff to go 
>> down, but the decent from Chloride City road is difficult. Thank goodness 
>> it was downhill because otherwise we would have had to push our bicycles 
>> 50% more. It was extremely sandy and only the cars with the fattest of 
>> tires would be safe driving this path.
>>
>> Once we hit Daylight Pass Road it was jarring to *fly* down pavement to 
>> Hells Gate Viewpoint (my max speed was almost 35 mph and I’m sure I pumped 
>> the breaks). We snapped a few photos then turned left and went down 

Re: [RBW] Re: Trip Report: Death Valley February 2024

[Roberta]

I loved your report.  Thanks so much.


On Monday, March 4, 2024 at 2:37:38 PM UTC-5 Jay Lonner wrote:

> What a fantastic trip — thank for the great writeup. I’ve been wanting to 
> cycle Death Valley as well so this will be a very useful resource as I plan 
> my own future adventures.
>
> Jay Lonner
> Bellingham, WA
>
> Sent from my Atari 400
>
> On Mar 4, 2024, at 7:13 AM, Bill Schairer  wrote:
>
> Thanks for the great report!
>
>
> Bill S 
> San Diego
>
> On Sunday, March 3, 2024 at 9:39:25 PM UTC-8 Keith P. wrote:
>
>> Sounds like an amazing trip!
>> k.
>>
>> On Mar 3, 2024, at 8:33 PM, Diana H  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> Is there a way to post photo's? I tried to post just a single photo and 
>> kept getting error's that the message was too long. So here is a link to 
>> some photo's.
>>
>>
>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/m6ymTWsmPXiiwr8P9 
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, March 3, 2024 at 8:19:20 PM UTC-8 Diana H wrote:
>>
>>> Map: 
>>> https://www.gaiagps.com/map/?loc=9.6/-116.8781/36.7032=GJ70zopvv3HDAIv6yQW94aTs=09fa1491-18a7-4735-83a2-eb164d4ba0ba
>>>
>>> Total miles: ~165 miles 
>>> Total Elevation Gain: ~14,400 ft 
>>>
>>> *Intro: *
>>>
>>> The inspiration for this route came from the Bikepacking.com- 
>>> Echo-Titus Canyon , 
>>> but Titus Canyon is currently closed to all traffic (including bicycles), 
>>> so we were looking for a way to extend our tip another day. We added 
>>> Rhyolite 
>>> Canyon  from 
>>> the Dirty Freehub.
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> *Bicycles*
>>>
>>> Diana’s Bike - 2022 Platypus (50 cm, 38x24 crank, 650Bx43mm GravelKing 
>>> SK Knobby tires, Nitto Choco handlebar, and a 9-speed cassette)
>>>
>>> Ran’s Bike – 2023 Kona Sutra (stock parts except the tubeless 2.1 inch 
>>> tires)
>>>
>>> Mikes Bike – 2022 Salsa Cutthroat (stock parts, 2.2 inch tubeless tires)
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> *Day 1. Rhyolite Rumble*
>>> Total Miles: 46
>>> Average Speed 8.6mph
>>>
>>> We drove from Reno to Spicer Ranch. Spicer Ranch is an amazing 
>>> campground and the owner runs it entirely on donations. Clean bathrooms, 
>>> hot showers, picnic tables, what else could you ask for? Please donate if 
>>> you stay here. 
>>>
>>> Our plan today was to ride load-less and ease our way into the trip. We 
>>> arrived at Spicer Ranch a little after 10am and were biking by 10:45am. The 
>>> first few miles went by quickly and we passed by several old mines. There 
>>> is endless gravel to ride out here and you could easily spend the day 
>>> exploring mine to mine. The road is pretty tough in places, but this is how 
>>> it will be the entire trip.
>>>
>>> The excitement of beginning our adventure (and being unloaded) had us 
>>> riding fast. We had great views riding toward Grapevine Mountains on 
>>> amazingly packed gravel. I would get a flat somewhere along here but 
>>> patched it up and moved on. 
>>>
>>> The views would continue but the road would deteriorate into more sand 
>>> than gravel and had us pushing on a few occasions. Ran took a spill during 
>>> a moment of lapsed attention when his tire hit the side of a wash. Luckily 
>>> it was a slow fall and Ran would ride away with minor scratches. Later on 
>>> in the day we hit some washboards and I was going too fast and I got a 
>>> pinch flat. Patched that too, but the pinch flat happened right next to the 
>>> valve and the patch didn’t hold. Replaced the whole tube just before 
>>> Rhyolite. This whole time we saw nobody else on the trails.
>>>
>>> Rhyolite Ghost town is very interesting and they have a lot of eccentric 
>>> statues/sculptures. Worth a visit here if you find yourself in the area. 
>>> There were a lot of tourists here and it was little jarring after spending 
>>> the whole day by ourselves. 
>>>
>>> The night caught us and to try to get back to camp quicker, we abstained 
>>> from the gravel and rode back on highway 95. This was very unpleasant as 
>>> it’s a 2-lane highway with 70 mph speed limits. Most everybody passed us 
>>> with as much room as they could spare, and we could always hop onto the 
>>> gravel sides if we needed. Once back at Spicer Ranch, we set up camp, ate 
>>> our dinners, and all fell into peaceful sleep.
>>>
>>>
>>> *Day 2: Spicer Ranch à Chloride City à Furnace Creek à Echo Canyon*
>>>
>>> Total Mileage: 66 Miles
>>> Max Speed: 34.5mph
>>> Average: 8.7mph
>>>
>>> This was a physically hard day!  We wanted more gravel riding today, so 
>>> we decided to take Chloride City Road to meet up with Death Valley Road. 
>>> The road to Chloride City is all uphill, riding on somewhat loose gravel, 
>>> and many parts so sandy some pushing was needed again. The scenery did not 
>>> disappoint though! Mike found a license plate from 1932! We harbored 
>>> thoughts of going to see Chloride City Ghost Town, but upon seeing that 
>>> Chloride City was another 2000 feet of elevation gain and having just 
>>> climbed a very difficult 1500 

[RBW] Re: NYC Riv Ride?

[Roberta]

If I'm available and it doesn't rain, I'll be there too.I'm up for a 
ride in NJ.  I'm there every month visiting family, and most of NJ is 
within a 2 hour ride from Philadelphia.

Roberta

On Monday, March 4, 2024 at 2:59:10 PM UTC-5 Davey Two Shoes wrote:

> NJ as well! Perhaps we should get an NJ ride together too.
>
> On Wednesday, February 28, 2024 at 9:05:37 AM UTC-5 Melanie wrote:
>
>> I hope to attend also.
>>
>> On Tuesday, February 27, 2024 at 9:12:48 AM UTC-5 jeffrey kane wrote:
>>
>>> I should be around the weekend of 4/6 - keep me posted!
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, February 27, 2024 at 8:29:57 AM UTC-5 Caroline Golum wrote:
>>>
 Bumping this! Back from the shoot, ready to ramble. 

 My birthday is on a Thurs this year (3/21) but if anyone is interested 
 in a ride the following weekend, weather permitting, let's organize!



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[RBW] WTB: Losco Bars

[Kayly Ober]

Hi folks, I missed the screaming deal on Losco Bars a couple of weeks ago. 
Does anyone else have any on offer? I would be very grateful for another 
$50 deal. Thanks all!

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[RBW] Re: NYC Riv Ride?

[Davey Two Shoes]

NJ as well! Perhaps we should get an NJ ride together too.

On Wednesday, February 28, 2024 at 9:05:37 AM UTC-5 Melanie wrote:

> I hope to attend also.
>
> On Tuesday, February 27, 2024 at 9:12:48 AM UTC-5 jeffrey kane wrote:
>
>> I should be around the weekend of 4/6 - keep me posted!
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, February 27, 2024 at 8:29:57 AM UTC-5 Caroline Golum wrote:
>>
>>> Bumping this! Back from the shoot, ready to ramble. 
>>>
>>> My birthday is on a Thurs this year (3/21) but if anyone is interested 
>>> in a ride the following weekend, weather permitting, let's organize!
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: FS - Rivendell Road 60cm

[Bill Lindsay]

Dynamite, thanks for the clarification.  I had the impression that the 58 
Toyo Atlantis was perfect for you, and the 60 Road Standard was too big.  
Now it's clear that the 58 Toyo Atlantis was right on the hairy edge of 
too-big for you and the 60 Road Standard is a hair bigger.  Since I ran a 
11cm stem on a 58 Toyo Atlantis and it was perfect for me, this 60 Road 
Standard would also be perfect.  

BL in EC

On Monday, March 4, 2024 at 11:25:33 AM UTC-8 Huston wrote:

> Bill,
>
> Here are the links:
>
> Match (Tim Isaac) Interview: page 3 of Riv Reader #15 
> 
>
> Road Standard geometry: page 9 of Riv Catalog(ue) #3 
> 
>  
> and page 14 of Riv Catalog(ue) #5 
> 
>
> The Atlantis had Noodles and a short (7cm) stem and was on the outer range 
> of what works for me as far as reach.
>
> Thanks,
> Huston
> Lexington, KY
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Trip Report: Death Valley February 2024

[Jay Lonner]

What a fantastic trip — thank for the great writeup. I’ve been wanting to cycle Death Valley as well so this will be a very useful resource as I plan my own future adventures.Jay LonnerBellingham, WASent from my Atari 400On Mar 4, 2024, at 7:13 AM, Bill Schairer  wrote:Thanks for the great report!Bill S San DiegoOn Sunday, March 3, 2024 at 9:39:25 PM UTC-8 Keith P. wrote:Sounds like an amazing trip!k.On Mar 3, 2024, at 8:33 PM, Diana H  wrote:Is there a way to post photo's? I tried to post just a single photo and kept getting error's that the message was too long. So here is a link to some photo's.https://photos.app.goo.gl/m6ymTWsmPXiiwr8P9 On Sunday, March 3, 2024 at 8:19:20 PM UTC-8 Diana H wrote:Map: https://www.gaiagps.com/map/?loc=9.6/-116.8781/36.7032=GJ70zopvv3HDAIv6yQW94aTs=09fa1491-18a7-4735-83a2-eb164d4ba0ba

Total miles: ~165 miles Total Elevation Gain: ~14,400 ft  

Intro: 

The inspiration for this route came from the Bikepacking.com- Echo-Titus
Canyon, but Titus Canyon is currently closed to all traffic (including
bicycles), so we were looking for a way to extend our tip another day. We added
Rhyolite
Canyon from the Dirty Freehub.

 

Bicycles

Diana’s Bike - 2022 Platypus (50 cm, 38x24 crank, 650Bx43mm GravelKing
SK Knobby tires, Nitto Choco handlebar, and a 9-speed cassette)

Ran’s Bike – 2023 Kona Sutra (stock parts except the
tubeless 2.1 inch tires)

Mikes Bike – 2022 Salsa Cutthroat (stock parts, 2.2 inch tubeless
tires)

 

Day 1. Rhyolite RumbleTotal Miles: 46Average Speed 8.6mphWe drove from Reno to Spicer Ranch. Spicer Ranch is an amazing
campground and the owner runs it entirely on donations. Clean bathrooms, hot
showers, picnic tables, what else could you ask for? Please donate if you stay
here. Our plan today was to ride load-less and ease our way into
the trip. We arrived at Spicer Ranch a little after 10am and were biking by
10:45am. The first few miles went by quickly and we passed by several old mines.
There is endless gravel to ride out here and you could easily spend the day
exploring mine to mine. The road is pretty tough in places, but this is how it
will be the entire trip.The excitement of beginning our adventure (and being
unloaded) had us riding fast. We had great views riding toward Grapevine
Mountains on amazingly packed gravel. I would get a flat somewhere along here
but patched it up and moved on. The views would continue but the road would deteriorate into
more sand than gravel and had us pushing on a few occasions. Ran took a spill during
a moment of lapsed attention when his tire hit the side of a wash. Luckily it
was a slow fall and Ran would ride away with minor scratches. Later on in the
day we hit some washboards and I was going too fast and I got a pinch flat.
Patched that too, but the pinch flat happened right next to the valve and the
patch didn’t hold. Replaced the whole tube just before Rhyolite. This whole
time we saw nobody else on the trails.Rhyolite Ghost town is very interesting and they have a lot
of eccentric statues/sculptures. Worth a visit here if you find yourself in the
area. There were a lot of tourists here and it was little jarring after
spending the whole day by ourselves. 









The night caught us and to try to get back to camp quicker,
we abstained from the gravel and rode back on highway 95. This was very
unpleasant as it’s a 2-lane highway with 70 mph speed limits. Most everybody
passed us with as much room as they could spare, and we could always hop onto
the gravel sides if we needed. Once back at Spicer Ranch, we set up camp, ate
our dinners, and all fell into peaceful sleep.Day 2: Spicer Ranch à Chloride City à Furnace Creek à Echo CanyonTotal Mileage: 66 MilesMax Speed: 34.5mphAverage: 8.7mphThis was a physically hard day!  We wanted more gravel riding today, so we decided to take Chloride City Road to meet up with Death Valley Road. The road to Chloride City is all uphill, riding on somewhat loose gravel, and many parts so sandy some pushing was needed again. The scenery did not disappoint though! Mike found a license plate from 1932! We harbored thoughts of going to see Chloride City Ghost Town, but upon seeing that Chloride City was another 2000 feet of elevation gain and having just climbed a very difficult 1500 feet, we opted to skip it.We thought we were going to be golden once we got to the turnoff to go down, but the decent from Chloride City road is difficult. Thank goodness it was downhill because otherwise we would have had to push our bicycles 50% more. It was extremely sandy and only the cars with the fattest of tires would be safe driving this path.Once we hit Daylight Pass Road it was jarring to fly down pavement to Hells Gate Viewpoint (my max speed was almost 35 mph and I’m sure I pumped the breaks). We snapped a few photos then turned left and went down Beatty Cutoff Road. Again, we would fly down this road (dropping 2500 feet!) hitting Highway 190.Riding on Highway 190 wasn’t the 

[RBW] Re: Hub recommendations for Velocity Cliffhangers

[Will Boericke]

It really just comes down to what your disposale income looks like, I 
think.  Freehubs and endcaps are all replaceable on Bitex.  I now find DT 
Swiss to be a happy medium (and I prefer the reliability / 
interchangeability of the star ratchet + rebuildable nature of DT hubs).  
But you're not getting silver.

Will

On Monday, March 4, 2024 at 2:19:43 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> The Bitex definitely seem to be the best bang for the buck, but I'm not 
> crazy about the indirect implication that if you spend top dollar for White 
> Industries, you're paying for hype, advertising, and pro sponsorships.  In 
> my view it's mostly the economics of a medium sized Taiwanese factory vs a 
> small boutique California machine shop.  
>
> On the feature side, I like the feature of being able to change freehub 
> bodies on my White Industries hubs.  I have both SRAM XD and Shimano HG "in 
> stock" to give myself flexibility in my stable.  Can we do that on Bitex?
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Monday, March 4, 2024 at 11:08:36 AM UTC-8 Will Boericke wrote:
>
>> 100%.  I've built a number of wheels around them and all are still going 
>> strong, some not in my possession anymore.  This includes several sets of 
>> mtb hubs that are not coddled.  The only thing I've ever had to do to them 
>> is replace bearings on a front hub.  Well, and occasionally clean and 
>> relube the pawls.
>>
>> Will
>>
>> On Monday, March 4, 2024 at 1:24:19 PM UTC-5 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>
>>> I find the Analog review of the Bitex hub to be very accurate. They are 
>>> very close to the WI hubs at a small fraction of the cost. Amazing at 
>>> quality and price but with zero hyper around them.
>>>
>>> On Monday, March 4, 2024 at 11:43:54 AM UTC-5 gril...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 My Appaloosa is being built up with a Bitex rear touring hub. 
 Wheels are being built up this week - I'll report back once they (and 
 the bike) are ready!

 On Sunday 3 March 2024 at 09:56:15 UTC+10:30 Josh C wrote:

> I'd recommend a set of white industries hubs if you are looking for 
> something more high-end. Smoothest hubs I've seen. 
>
> On Saturday, March 2, 2024 at 6:04:12 PM UTC-5 Luke Hendrickson wrote:
>
>> I second Deore LX! I had those front & rear until I laced up a front 
>> wheel with a Kasai FS dynamo hub.
>>
>> On Saturday, March 2, 2024 at 2:11:58 PM UTC-8 aeroperf wrote:
>>
>>> I like the Deore LX trekking equipment.  A rear hub would be FH-T670.
>>> Quiet and bulletproof.  I’ve laced them to Velocity Atlas and 
>>> Velocity Dyads.
>>> For a front hub, I tend to use Shimano 105s because they are 
>>> reliable and reasonably cheap.
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: FS - Rivendell Road 60cm

[Huston]

Bill,

Here are the links:

Match (Tim Isaac) Interview: page 3 of Riv Reader #15 


Road Standard geometry: page 9 of Riv Catalog(ue) #3 

 
and page 14 of Riv Catalog(ue) #5 


The Atlantis had Noodles and a short (7cm) stem and was on the outer range 
of what works for me as far as reach.

Thanks,
Huston
Lexington, KY

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[RBW] Re: Hub recommendations for Velocity Cliffhangers

[Bill Lindsay]

The Bitex definitely seem to be the best bang for the buck, but I'm not 
crazy about the indirect implication that if you spend top dollar for White 
Industries, you're paying for hype, advertising, and pro sponsorships.  In 
my view it's mostly the economics of a medium sized Taiwanese factory vs a 
small boutique California machine shop.  

On the feature side, I like the feature of being able to change freehub 
bodies on my White Industries hubs.  I have both SRAM XD and Shimano HG "in 
stock" to give myself flexibility in my stable.  Can we do that on Bitex?

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Monday, March 4, 2024 at 11:08:36 AM UTC-8 Will Boericke wrote:

> 100%.  I've built a number of wheels around them and all are still going 
> strong, some not in my possession anymore.  This includes several sets of 
> mtb hubs that are not coddled.  The only thing I've ever had to do to them 
> is replace bearings on a front hub.  Well, and occasionally clean and 
> relube the pawls.
>
> Will
>
> On Monday, March 4, 2024 at 1:24:19 PM UTC-5 Johnny Alien wrote:
>
>> I find the Analog review of the Bitex hub to be very accurate. They are 
>> very close to the WI hubs at a small fraction of the cost. Amazing at 
>> quality and price but with zero hyper around them.
>>
>> On Monday, March 4, 2024 at 11:43:54 AM UTC-5 gril...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> My Appaloosa is being built up with a Bitex rear touring hub. 
>>> Wheels are being built up this week - I'll report back once they (and 
>>> the bike) are ready!
>>>
>>> On Sunday 3 March 2024 at 09:56:15 UTC+10:30 Josh C wrote:
>>>
 I'd recommend a set of white industries hubs if you are looking for 
 something more high-end. Smoothest hubs I've seen. 

 On Saturday, March 2, 2024 at 6:04:12 PM UTC-5 Luke Hendrickson wrote:

> I second Deore LX! I had those front & rear until I laced up a front 
> wheel with a Kasai FS dynamo hub.
>
> On Saturday, March 2, 2024 at 2:11:58 PM UTC-8 aeroperf wrote:
>
>> I like the Deore LX trekking equipment.  A rear hub would be FH-T670.
>> Quiet and bulletproof.  I’ve laced them to Velocity Atlas and 
>> Velocity Dyads.
>> For a front hub, I tend to use Shimano 105s because they are reliable 
>> and reasonably cheap.
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Hub recommendations for Velocity Cliffhangers

[Will Boericke]

100%.  I've built a number of wheels around them and all are still going 
strong, some not in my possession anymore.  This includes several sets of 
mtb hubs that are not coddled.  The only thing I've ever had to do to them 
is replace bearings on a front hub.  Well, and occasionally clean and 
relube the pawls.

Will

On Monday, March 4, 2024 at 1:24:19 PM UTC-5 Johnny Alien wrote:

> I find the Analog review of the Bitex hub to be very accurate. They are 
> very close to the WI hubs at a small fraction of the cost. Amazing at 
> quality and price but with zero hyper around them.
>
> On Monday, March 4, 2024 at 11:43:54 AM UTC-5 gril...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> My Appaloosa is being built up with a Bitex rear touring hub. 
>> Wheels are being built up this week - I'll report back once they (and the 
>> bike) are ready!
>>
>> On Sunday 3 March 2024 at 09:56:15 UTC+10:30 Josh C wrote:
>>
>>> I'd recommend a set of white industries hubs if you are looking for 
>>> something more high-end. Smoothest hubs I've seen. 
>>>
>>> On Saturday, March 2, 2024 at 6:04:12 PM UTC-5 Luke Hendrickson wrote:
>>>
 I second Deore LX! I had those front & rear until I laced up a front 
 wheel with a Kasai FS dynamo hub.

 On Saturday, March 2, 2024 at 2:11:58 PM UTC-8 aeroperf wrote:

> I like the Deore LX trekking equipment.  A rear hub would be FH-T670.
> Quiet and bulletproof.  I’ve laced them to Velocity Atlas and Velocity 
> Dyads.
> For a front hub, I tend to use Shimano 105s because they are reliable 
> and reasonably cheap.
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Hub recommendations for Velocity Cliffhangers

[Johnny Alien]

I find the Analog review of the Bitex hub to be very accurate. They are 
very close to the WI hubs at a small fraction of the cost. Amazing at 
quality and price but with zero hyper around them.

On Monday, March 4, 2024 at 11:43:54 AM UTC-5 gril...@gmail.com wrote:

> My Appaloosa is being built up with a Bitex rear touring hub. 
> Wheels are being built up this week - I'll report back once they (and the 
> bike) are ready!
>
> On Sunday 3 March 2024 at 09:56:15 UTC+10:30 Josh C wrote:
>
>> I'd recommend a set of white industries hubs if you are looking for 
>> something more high-end. Smoothest hubs I've seen. 
>>
>> On Saturday, March 2, 2024 at 6:04:12 PM UTC-5 Luke Hendrickson wrote:
>>
>>> I second Deore LX! I had those front & rear until I laced up a front 
>>> wheel with a Kasai FS dynamo hub.
>>>
>>> On Saturday, March 2, 2024 at 2:11:58 PM UTC-8 aeroperf wrote:
>>>
 I like the Deore LX trekking equipment.  A rear hub would be FH-T670.
 Quiet and bulletproof.  I’ve laced them to Velocity Atlas and Velocity 
 Dyads.
 For a front hub, I tend to use Shimano 105s because they are reliable 
 and reasonably cheap.



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[RBW] Re: FS - Rivendell Road 60cm

[Bill Lindsay]

Huston

Do you have links to those two references: Riv Reader #15 and Riv Catalog 
#3?  
In what way is the Riv Road too big?  Without knowing the STA of the Riv 
Road, I'd estimate the stack and reach to be nearly identical to a 58 Toyo 
Atlantis.  Was your Atlantis built with upright bars?  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Monday, March 4, 2024 at 9:33:29 AM UTC-8 Huston wrote:

> Greetings,
>
> For your consideration is a 60cm Rivendell road frameset.  Based on the 
> serial number and some markings on the steer tube, I believe (emphasis) 
> this is a 1999 Match-built “Road Standard.”  For additional information on 
> Match frames, please refer to Rivendell Reader #15.  Also, Rivendell 
> catalog #3 has a geo chart for Road Standards.  Thanks to Reed et al. for 
> hosting all of this information.
>
> Stamped size is 60.  Additional frame details are as follows:
>
> Seat tube (center-to-top): 60cm
> Seat tube (center-to-center): 57cm
> Top tube (center-to-center): ~58.5cm
> Rear spacing: 130mm
> Top tube: sloping ~1 degree
>
> The frame is built for 700c wheels and does clear 700 x 32s, but that 
> doesn't leave much room under the brake bridge.
>
> This frameset looks quite good considering its age. There are blemishes to 
> the Joe Bell paint on the fork legs (from p-clamps) and on the seat tube 
> (from a clamp-on front derailleur).  Dropouts and other contact points show 
> typical signs of use.  Little nicks and chips here and there, but nothing 
> concerning to report. Bottom bracket shell looks great.
>
> If you're wondering why I'm selling this frameset, the answer is simple: 
> it's too big for me.  For reference, I have comfortably ridden a 58 Toyo 
> Atlantis and a 54 Hunq.
>
> Pictures are available here 
> .
>  
>  Price: $1,550.00 plus shipping and insurance to CONUS via UPS.  If you 
> want to run numbers, the frame box is 44 x 26 x 8.
>
> Thanks for looking and please send a message with any questions.
>
> Huston
> Lexington, KY 
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Winter Riding in Alberta

[Mack Penner]

Cheers, Andy :)
Mack 

On Monday, March 4, 2024 at 2:49:21 AM UTC-7 ascpgh wrote:

> Love the compilation of winter rides! The big Ruthworks rando bag on the 
> last one too. 
>
> Andy Cheatham
> Pittsburgh
>
>
> On Sunday, March 3, 2024 at 11:02:34 AM UTC-5 penne...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I've updated this series with a tale of winter: 
>> https://youtu.be/kJDmtL1OyBk?si=4uUgYg0kLhPasb06
>> Happy Sunday,
>> Mack
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, October 25, 2023 at 11:52:03 AM UTC-6 Mack Penner wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks, Stephen! Glad to hear it :)
>>> Mack 
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, October 24, 2023 at 8:56:01 PM UTC-6 RBW Owners Bunch wrote:
>>>
 These are so good Mack, missed the first one back in august. Makes me 
 want to go ride my bike.

 -stephen

 On Tuesday, October 24, 2023 at 7:15:22 PM UTC-4 RBW Owners Bunch wrote:

> For those inclined to follow along, here's my "tale of fall 
> ," which in 
> southern alberta is now all but over, snow on the ground and still 
> falling, 
> something like -10 degrees Celsius today. If you're hardcore, you might 
> also consider this semi-absurd overnighter 
>  I took my poor 
> brother on at the end of September. 
> Mack
>
> On Sunday, August 27, 2023 at 7:20:18 PM UTC-6 RBW Owners Bunch wrote:
>
>> Great looking rides. Been a while since I explored that part of the 
>> world. 
>>
>> On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 6:40:53 PM UTC-4 Andrew Letton wrote:
>>
>>> Love it!  Especially the butterfly cameo!
>>> cheers from Oz,
>>> Andrew
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 01:36:32 AM GMT+10, Mack Penner <
>>> penne...@gmail.com> wrote: 
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi people,
>>> I have been on a small eric rohmer kick this year, and when I 
>>> started watching the tales of the four seasons it occurred to me that 
>>> it 
>>> would be fun to document a week of riding in every season. I had the 
>>> idea 
>>> in the summer, so first up is my tale of the summer. Nothin' fancy, I 
>>> just 
>>> perched my phone on my water bottle like a hundred times during my 
>>> daily 
>>> rides in the week from 14-18 August. I was gonna put it to music, but 
>>> then 
>>> I thought that if the goal is to document seasonal riding vibes the 
>>> sounds 
>>> that the season makes are important! Filmed in southern alberta on my 
>>> atlantis, my joe, my homer, and finally my quickbeam. 
>>> Vid's here . Hope you 
>>> find it fun!
>>> Enjoy the rest of August,
>>> Mack 
>>>
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[RBW] FS - Rivendell Road 60cm

[Huston]

Greetings,

For your consideration is a 60cm Rivendell road frameset.  Based on the 
serial number and some markings on the steer tube, I believe (emphasis) 
this is a 1999 Match-built “Road Standard.”  For additional information on 
Match frames, please refer to Rivendell Reader #15.  Also, Rivendell 
catalog #3 has a geo chart for Road Standards.  Thanks to Reed et al. for 
hosting all of this information.

Stamped size is 60.  Additional frame details are as follows:

Seat tube (center-to-top): 60cm
Seat tube (center-to-center): 57cm
Top tube (center-to-center): ~58.5cm
Rear spacing: 130mm
Top tube: sloping ~1 degree

The frame is built for 700c wheels and does clear 700 x 32s, but that 
doesn't leave much room under the brake bridge.

This frameset looks quite good considering its age. There are blemishes to 
the Joe Bell paint on the fork legs (from p-clamps) and on the seat tube 
(from a clamp-on front derailleur).  Dropouts and other contact points show 
typical signs of use.  Little nicks and chips here and there, but nothing 
concerning to report. Bottom bracket shell looks great.

If you're wondering why I'm selling this frameset, the answer is simple: 
it's too big for me.  For reference, I have comfortably ridden a 58 Toyo 
Atlantis and a 54 Hunq.

Pictures are available here 
.
 
 Price: $1,550.00 plus shipping and insurance to CONUS via UPS.  If you 
want to run numbers, the frame box is 44 x 26 x 8.

Thanks for looking and please send a message with any questions.

Huston
Lexington, KY 

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[RBW] Re: Rim life - shimano vs. other brake pads?

[Will Boericke]

I look for concavity, though I like rims that have wear indicators built 
in.  Once I can see the concavity, I start to worry about it but I think 
you can ride a rim for a pretty long time in that state (depending on 
conditions, obviuously).  Riding daily through the winter, I go through 
rims in 3-4 years.

Will



On Monday, March 4, 2024 at 10:55:44 AM UTC-5 bmfo...@gmail.com wrote:

> At the risk of sending this thread on a tangent, I will pose a related 
> question.
>
> How do you measure rim wear due to braking? Anecdotally? Or do you put 
> numbers to it? How worn do you go before replacing a rim purely due to 
> brake wear?
>
> -Brian 
>
> On Monday, March 4, 2024 at 8:45:46 AM UTC-6 josh.yo...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> 100% agree with Will. I use Swissstop GXP Blues on my road bikes and Kool 
>> Stop salmons on everything else (Paul’s, MAFAC’s, etc.). I find that Kool 
>> Stop blacks chew through rims in our Seattle weather. 
>>
>> Josh
>> Seattle, WA
>>
>> On Sunday, March 3, 2024 at 11:56:18 AM UTC-8 Will Boericke wrote:
>>
>>> I only ever use Kool Stop Salmon or SwissStop BXP.  No other pad is 
>>> worth my time.  I fully realize my post is not useful to you at all :)
>>>
>>> Will
>>>
>>> On Sunday, March 3, 2024 at 4:51:29 AM UTC-5 chintan jadwani wrote:
>>>
 I was looking for reviews on a specific rim (Sun CR18) and ended up on 
 a Thorn forum where users kept mentioning that they were experiencing 
 shorter rim life as Shimano brake pads were eating up the brake surface 
 much faster - and switching brake pads made a significant difference.

 I'm curious if any of your experiences have been similar?

 chintan

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[RBW] List Admin-y Things

[Cyclofiend Jim]

Hey there - 

I just found a few list-de-moderation requests in my spam folder. It looks 
like something was triggering the filters...

Anyway - I've unmoderated most of you who requested in the past few weeks, 
so you should be good to go for future interactions. 

A few of you who asked to be unmoderated didn't actually show up as 
members. This is usually caused by using a different email account to joint 
the group. A couple others were just trying to post long, general 
bike-stuff-for-sale lists that were not particularly Riv-adjacent or 
focused. 

To all of you who are now onboard, a hearty Welcome!

Spring is coming, so hang in there through the rains (and blizzards) we are 
experiencing and get riding!  Looking forward to more ride photos and tales.

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Re: [RBW] Best Rivendell for pavement riding

[John Dewey]

I clearly recall the first time I hopped on my RAM 2004.

Epiphany!

A few years ago I sent it off for the Joe Bell Treatment…now it’s as
beautiful and tasty as any bespoke two-wheeler.

https://flic.kr/p/2kafNb7

Jock






On Mon, Mar 4, 2024 at 8:24 AM Mike Godwin  wrote:

> I think my FS Roadeo is a good contender! All prodding aside, it is a
> great pavement bike, works well on dirt roads too as it will fit 700x35
> tires.
> Mike SLO CA
> On Monday, March 4, 2024 at 7:50:49 AM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> The Ram is indeed a worthy contender, but I was thinking of current
>> models (I think those I listed are current ...?)
>>
>> On Sun, Mar 3, 2024 at 3:49 PM Corwin Zechar  wrote:
>>
>>> Patrick -
>>>
>>> You forgot the Ram!
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Corwni
>>> On Saturday, March 2, 2024 at 2:23:07 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
 Roadeo, Roadini, Sam, Homer, and the Nitto Noodle?

 FWIW, after having used any number of drop bars, my favorite is the
 Maes Parallel, available from Rene Herse but not from Rivendell. (Rivendell
 ought to offer it!)

 Patrick Moore, present and former owner of 5 Rivendell drop bar
 road/roady-ish bikes

 On Sat, Mar 2, 2024 at 11:56 AM Chuck Blessing 
 wrote:

> I really like the Rivendell approach to bikes and bike technology with
> the idea of a more upright posture and a long wheelbase for long rides at 
> a
> comfortable pace, but it seems like the models all lean heavily to what
> they call "country bikes."  I like to ride from my house, and that means
> riding almost exclusively on smooth (mostly) pavement. Can anyone suggest
> which models are better suited for road riding? Reading and comparing the
> descriptions, it seems that the Homer might be a good choice, or possibly
> the Appaloosa or Atlantis? Or the new Charlie Gallop, though I haven't
> heard much about how it is supposed to ride? I tried a Roadini (which I
> recently listed here and sold), but I think it was too big for me. I never
> felt comfortable on it. Maybe I just needed it in the right size.
>
> I would like the bike to work well with drop bars because of the
> multiple hand positions and they're just what I'm used to. I tried a bike
> with swept bars recently, but found I wasn't comfortable on longer rides.
> And when riding on streets with minimal shoulder width, I felt like I was
> going to catch the end of them on mailboxes or other obstacles. Maybe
> there's a handlebar in Rivendell's catalog that works well for road 
> riding?
>
> I'd appreciate any comments, especially if someone does this type of
> riding and has tried several of these models. Thanks.
>
> Chuck
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Re: [RBW] FS - Alex Singer LS wool jersey

[Jay Bird]

SOLD :-)

On Saturday, February 24, 2024 at 2:02:23 PM UTC-7 campyo...@me.com wrote:

> PM sent. 
>
> –Eric N
>
>
> On Feb 24, 2024, at 9:00 AM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
>
> 
>
> Sheesh, I'm very tempted just for the front pockets, but someone just gave 
> me a very nice LS wool jersey. Long ago I did have a retro-production *Cycles 
> Wolfe* ss wool jersey with front pockets; I think Wolfe was an ancient 
> Belgian team and, probably, marque. I see that current ones don't have the 
> front pockets any more.
>
> It's a good thing that it's probably a bit large for me.
>
> On Sat, Feb 24, 2024 at 9:51 AM Jay Bird  wrote:
>
> Hey there, 
>>
>> I have a new Alex Singer jersey bought from Alex Singer cycles in Paris, 
>> France summer of 2022.  It says it's size '7' - laid flat from pit to pit 
>> it measures 21" so probably around an XL (which is what I usually wear). 
>>
>> Front and rear pockets.
>>
>> Shipped CONUS $125 
>>
>> 
>> 
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[RBW] Re: Hub recommendations for Velocity Cliffhangers

[Daniel Grilli]

My Appaloosa is being built up with a Bitex rear touring hub. 
Wheels are being built up this week - I'll report back once they (and the 
bike) are ready!

On Sunday 3 March 2024 at 09:56:15 UTC+10:30 Josh C wrote:

> I'd recommend a set of white industries hubs if you are looking for 
> something more high-end. Smoothest hubs I've seen. 
>
> On Saturday, March 2, 2024 at 6:04:12 PM UTC-5 Luke Hendrickson wrote:
>
>> I second Deore LX! I had those front & rear until I laced up a front 
>> wheel with a Kasai FS dynamo hub.
>>
>> On Saturday, March 2, 2024 at 2:11:58 PM UTC-8 aeroperf wrote:
>>
>>> I like the Deore LX trekking equipment.  A rear hub would be FH-T670.
>>> Quiet and bulletproof.  I’ve laced them to Velocity Atlas and Velocity 
>>> Dyads.
>>> For a front hub, I tend to use Shimano 105s because they are reliable 
>>> and reasonably cheap.
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Best Rivendell for pavement riding

[Chuck Blessing]

Thanks for the suggestions, Patrick. I had a 54cm Roadini, which didn't 
feel good, possibly because it was too big for me. That model does seem to 
be the obvious choice, but I'm a bit wary of trying one in 50cm, because 
the size may not have been the problem. The Homer is the other one that 
seems to be more of a road bike than a trail bike. But then you also 
mention the Sam, which seems to be described as a  country bike but also 
good on the road. So much to consider.
On Saturday, March 2, 2024 at 7:46:46 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:

> By all reports the Atlantis in its various iterations is a wonderful bike 
> -- it's one I'd consider owning if it took fatter tires -- but the OP said 
> he rides on smooth pavement. 
>
> On Sat, Mar 2, 2024 at 4:11 PM Luke Hendrickson  
> wrote:
>
>> [image: IMG_1207.jpeg]
>> I ride a fair amount and most of it is paved for my commute. I have one 
>> Riv, an Atlantis, and it’s great for what I do with it. Currently, I have 
>> it fendered and racked since it’s rainy here in San Francisco and I try to 
>> ride most days. It’s not light, but it’s comfortable enough that I don’t 
>> mind. I’m running some 2.25” tires which definitely help make it even more 
>> plush and so very easy to ride miles and miles.
>>
>> I figure that you can’t go wrong with any Riv you choose, but I’d vote 
>> for the Atlantis before any other. 
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Re: [RBW] Best Rivendell for pavement riding

[Chuck Blessing]

Thanks Nick and Luke for your suggestions of the Atlantis. In the 
description of the Atlantis on the RBW web site, Grant describes the 
Appaloosa as very similar. And since the Atlantis is out of stock in my 
size and is not scheduled to be available this year, but the Appaloosa is, 
maybe it would be a good choice too? The one hesitation I have with these 
two, though, is that they have very long effective top tubes. So I'm not 
sure how well a drop bar would work on them, as it might require too much 
of a stretch to reach the bars. Or is there a good swept bar in the RBW 
catalog that would work well in a "road bike" configuration? Something not 
too wide with multiple hand positions? Thanks again.

On Saturday, March 2, 2024 at 7:26:51 PM UTC-5 thetaper...@gmail.com wrote:

> I also have only one Rivendell, and it is also the rainbow tube Atlantis. 
> I agree very much with my fellow one-Riv rider.
>
> My grandfather moved in with us in my senior year of high school, and 
> brought with him a mid-90s Cadillac DeVille. Two bench seats, automatic 
> shifting on the column. Not the fastest car on the road by any means, but 
> it was like driving a living room sofa. Such a unique and wonderful 
> experience. That, to me, has been my experience with the Atlantis. Rides 
> like a Cadillac.
>
> Nick in Falls Church, about 3k miles into the experience with my 2022 
> Atlantis.
>
> Best of luck on your decision.
>
> On Saturday, March 2, 2024 at 6:11:20 PM UTC-5 Luke Hendrickson wrote:
>
>> [image: IMG_1207.jpeg]
>> I ride a fair amount and most of it is paved for my commute. I have one 
>> Riv, an Atlantis, and it’s great for what I do with it. Currently, I have 
>> it fendered and racked since it’s rainy here in San Francisco and I try to 
>> ride most days. It’s not light, but it’s comfortable enough that I don’t 
>> mind. I’m running some 2.25” tires which definitely help make it even more 
>> plush and so very easy to ride miles and miles.
>>
>> I figure that you can’t go wrong with any Riv you choose, but I’d vote 
>> for the Atlantis before any other. 
>>
>>

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[RBW] FS- 59cm XL susie longbolts frame & fork in dark gold

[zc]

hi folks-
i was the lucky one who grabbed the silver double top tube'd JA that was 
floating around a few weeks ago (thx for the tip, phil...and thanks for the 
frame, gary!).
in order to cover my costs for the JA AND to make room in the shed- this 
frees up my 59cm XL susie in dark gold. 
frame + fork = $1,100 + shipping via bike flights. payment by venmo or 
paypal friends/fam.
a few little chips to the paint here and there but very well loved and 
taken care of-- i'll strip it down and post pix in the next few days but 
thought i'd put the word out now if anyone is tempted by the new susie's 
but is having a tough time coughing up the bucks.
i LOVE these step-thru's...just dealing with a bit of redundancy in the 
fleet...you know how it goes!
cheers,
zach in CO

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Re: [RBW] Best Rivendell for pavement riding

[Chuck Blessing]

Mike, I looked at this one, but from its description, it may be too much of 
a road bike (i.e. fast racy type bike) for me. I own a Tommasini, so want 
something more sedate. Chuck.

On Monday, March 4, 2024 at 11:24:15 AM UTC-5 Mike Godwin wrote:

> I think my FS Roadeo is a good contender! All prodding aside, it is a 
> great pavement bike, works well on dirt roads too as it will fit 700x35 
> tires.
> Mike SLO CA
> On Monday, March 4, 2024 at 7:50:49 AM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> The Ram is indeed a worthy contender, but I was thinking of current 
>> models (I think those I listed are current ...?)
>>
>> On Sun, Mar 3, 2024 at 3:49 PM Corwin Zechar  wrote:
>>
>>> Patrick -
>>>
>>> You forgot the Ram!
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Corwni
>>> On Saturday, March 2, 2024 at 2:23:07 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
 Roadeo, Roadini, Sam, Homer, and the Nitto Noodle?

 FWIW, after having used any number of drop bars, my favorite is the 
 Maes Parallel, available from Rene Herse but not from Rivendell. 
 (Rivendell 
 ought to offer it!)

 Patrick Moore, present and former owner of 5 Rivendell drop bar 
 road/roady-ish bikes

 On Sat, Mar 2, 2024 at 11:56 AM Chuck Blessing  
 wrote:

> I really like the Rivendell approach to bikes and bike technology with 
> the idea of a more upright posture and a long wheelbase for long rides at 
> a 
> comfortable pace, but it seems like the models all lean heavily to what 
> they call "country bikes."  I like to ride from my house, and that means 
> riding almost exclusively on smooth (mostly) pavement. Can anyone suggest 
> which models are better suited for road riding? Reading and comparing the 
> descriptions, it seems that the Homer might be a good choice, or possibly 
> the Appaloosa or Atlantis? Or the new Charlie Gallop, though I haven't 
> heard much about how it is supposed to ride? I tried a Roadini (which I 
> recently listed here and sold), but I think it was too big for me. I 
> never 
> felt comfortable on it. Maybe I just needed it in the right size. 
>
> I would like the bike to work well with drop bars because of the 
> multiple hand positions and they're just what I'm used to. I tried a bike 
> with swept bars recently, but found I wasn't comfortable on longer rides. 
> And when riding on streets with minimal shoulder width, I felt like I was 
> going to catch the end of them on mailboxes or other obstacles. Maybe 
> there's a handlebar in Rivendell's catalog that works well for road 
> riding?
>
> I'd appreciate any comments, especially if someone does this type of 
> riding and has tried several of these models. Thanks.
>
> Chuck
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Re: [RBW] Philadelphia Bike Expo March 16 - 17

[Tim Burke]

I live in Philly but I'll be there with my Sam on Saturday. Would love to 
get a Riv ride together - maybe to the after party at Keystone?

Also, I'm on the organizers of Coffee Outside Philly and we'll be meeting 
at our usual time around 9am at Lemon Hill Gazebo. We'll hang out and talk 
bikes until 11 or so and then there's a 10ish mile mixed terrain ride to 
the Expo through some of our local trails. Come hang out if you're up for 
it. 

Also Bryce if I could I'd buy your Sam too. Mines the same size but with 
canti's and I love it so much

On Sunday, March 3, 2024 at 8:30:46 AM UTC-5 brycel...@gmail.com wrote:

> For anyone extra tall coming in from out of town, I have a 62cm Sam listed 
> as a frameset w crank and seat post on CL here in Philly. If you want to 
> make a deal, I am open to offers and have all the fixings for a complete 
> build. I'll be around doing some of the local rides as well as the Keystone 
> afterparty. 
>
> On Saturday, March 2, 2024 at 1:58:21 PM UTC-5 benjamin@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> I’ll see you all there! I’ve got to work Saturday but I’ll make it out to 
>> the Expo on Sunday and Keystone’s partay Saturday night. My three-year-old 
>> has developed a distinct preference for the Surly Cross Check over the 
>> Atlantis and Clem but whatever the case we’ll roll up on two wheels. 
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 26, 2024 at 5:22 PM Roberta  wrote:
>>
>>> https://phillybikeexpo.com/
>>>
>>> Lots of things to do--the expo, rides, parties, coffee and meet ups.
>>>
>>> I'm going.  Who else?  I'm within walking distance to the expo (but will 
>>> be riding my Betty Foy there, because, well..., I should ride).  If anyone 
>>> needs any local assistance, please reach out via DM.  
>>>
>>> There is free bike valet parking by Neighborhood Bike works, and 
>>> donations accepted.  It's a great way to fund the community bike center.
>>>
>>> I hope to meet or see again lots of us happy Riv riders.
>>>
>>> Roberta
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Re: [RBW] Best Rivendell for pavement riding

[Chuck Blessing]

Yes, I am interested only in currently available bikes.

On Monday, March 4, 2024 at 10:50:49 AM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:

> The Ram is indeed a worthy contender, but I was thinking of current models 
> (I think those I listed are current ...?)
>
> On Sun, Mar 3, 2024 at 3:49 PM Corwin Zechar  wrote:
>
>> Patrick -
>>
>> You forgot the Ram!
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Corwni
>> On Saturday, March 2, 2024 at 2:23:07 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> Roadeo, Roadini, Sam, Homer, and the Nitto Noodle?
>>>
>>> FWIW, after having used any number of drop bars, my favorite is the Maes 
>>> Parallel, available from Rene Herse but not from Rivendell. (Rivendell 
>>> ought to offer it!)
>>>
>>> Patrick Moore, present and former owner of 5 Rivendell drop bar 
>>> road/roady-ish bikes
>>>
>>> On Sat, Mar 2, 2024 at 11:56 AM Chuck Blessing  
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I really like the Rivendell approach to bikes and bike technology with 
 the idea of a more upright posture and a long wheelbase for long rides at 
 a 
 comfortable pace, but it seems like the models all lean heavily to what 
 they call "country bikes."  I like to ride from my house, and that means 
 riding almost exclusively on smooth (mostly) pavement. Can anyone suggest 
 which models are better suited for road riding? Reading and comparing the 
 descriptions, it seems that the Homer might be a good choice, or possibly 
 the Appaloosa or Atlantis? Or the new Charlie Gallop, though I haven't 
 heard much about how it is supposed to ride? I tried a Roadini (which I 
 recently listed here and sold), but I think it was too big for me. I never 
 felt comfortable on it. Maybe I just needed it in the right size. 

 I would like the bike to work well with drop bars because of the 
 multiple hand positions and they're just what I'm used to. I tried a bike 
 with swept bars recently, but found I wasn't comfortable on longer rides. 
 And when riding on streets with minimal shoulder width, I felt like I was 
 going to catch the end of them on mailboxes or other obstacles. Maybe 
 there's a handlebar in Rivendell's catalog that works well for road riding?

 I'd appreciate any comments, especially if someone does this type of 
 riding and has tried several of these models. Thanks.

 Chuck

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[RBW] Re: Best Rivendell for pavement riding

[Chuck Blessing]

Thanks for the input on the Roadini, Garth. I'm still considering it in the 
next frame size down.

On Sunday, March 3, 2024 at 9:38:33 AM UTC-5 Garth wrote:

> Chuck, You experience with the Roadini speaks only to having the correct 
> size. 
>
> For pure smooth road riding in my opinion having larger tires than say 
> 32-35mm and chainstays longer than what one can use a stock 114-116 link 
> chain on(about 47cm), is overkill in that there isn't anything to gain from 
> a heavier frame and wider tires. 
>
> One's "comfort" largely comes from one's "comfortability" in their 
> positioning. 
>
>  
> On Saturday, March 2, 2024 at 10:25:37 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> My impression is you've never ridden a Riv (not a criticism, just noting) 
>> and will be happy to learn they're all great on pavement. Drop bars limit 
>> how long a toptube you can run so you're probably right that a Homer is a 
>> good bet (see, also: Roadini, Hillborne). But it's also possible to size 
>> down a bit and run a short stem (Analog Cycled style) to get the bars close 
>> enough on most of their frames. 
>>
>> The nifty thing about all Rivs is they glide great on smooth pavement 
>> while having a good margin for the gnarlier sections. If you gravitate 
>> towards the burlier ones like Atlantis and Appaloosa - even Clem L if you 
>> can get the reach you need - you can load 'em up with all your stuff! 
>>
>> Joe "all my bikes become shopping bikes" Bernard 
>>
>> On Saturday, March 2, 2024 at 10:56:38 AM UTC-8 cfic...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> I really like the Rivendell approach to bikes and bike technology with 
>>> the idea of a more upright posture and a long wheelbase for long rides at a 
>>> comfortable pace, but it seems like the models all lean heavily to what 
>>> they call "country bikes."  I like to ride from my house, and that means 
>>> riding almost exclusively on smooth (mostly) pavement. Can anyone suggest 
>>> which models are better suited for road riding? Reading and comparing the 
>>> descriptions, it seems that the Homer might be a good choice, or possibly 
>>> the Appaloosa or Atlantis? Or the new Charlie Gallop, though I haven't 
>>> heard much about how it is supposed to ride? I tried a Roadini (which I 
>>> recently listed here and sold), but I think it was too big for me. I never 
>>> felt comfortable on it. Maybe I just needed it in the right size. 
>>>
>>> I would like the bike to work well with drop bars because of the 
>>> multiple hand positions and they're just what I'm used to. I tried a bike 
>>> with swept bars recently, but found I wasn't comfortable on longer rides. 
>>> And when riding on streets with minimal shoulder width, I felt like I was 
>>> going to catch the end of them on mailboxes or other obstacles. Maybe 
>>> there's a handlebar in Rivendell's catalog that works well for road riding?
>>>
>>> I'd appreciate any comments, especially if someone does this type of 
>>> riding and has tried several of these models. Thanks.
>>>
>>> Chuck
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Best Rivendell for pavement riding

[Chuck Blessing]

Good information Joe. Actually I have ridden a Roadini, but just for a 
short time. I couldn't get a good fit with it. I think the next size down 
is what I needed. So, that's still possibility, and I have looked a lot at 
the Homer, and I read so much good stuff about the Sam that I keep looking 
at it as well. I didn't realize the Atlantis and Appaloosa were "burlier", 
so I'd be less inclined to those, as I don't carry anything on my bikes 
except a small tool bag and water bottles. 

On Saturday, March 2, 2024 at 10:25:37 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:

> My impression is you've never ridden a Riv (not a criticism, just noting) 
> and will be happy to learn they're all great on pavement. Drop bars limit 
> how long a toptube you can run so you're probably right that a Homer is a 
> good bet (see, also: Roadini, Hillborne). But it's also possible to size 
> down a bit and run a short stem (Analog Cycled style) to get the bars close 
> enough on most of their frames. 
>
> The nifty thing about all Rivs is they glide great on smooth pavement 
> while having a good margin for the gnarlier sections. If you gravitate 
> towards the burlier ones like Atlantis and Appaloosa - even Clem L if you 
> can get the reach you need - you can load 'em up with all your stuff! 
>
> Joe "all my bikes become shopping bikes" Bernard 
>
> On Saturday, March 2, 2024 at 10:56:38 AM UTC-8 cfic...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I really like the Rivendell approach to bikes and bike technology with 
>> the idea of a more upright posture and a long wheelbase for long rides at a 
>> comfortable pace, but it seems like the models all lean heavily to what 
>> they call "country bikes."  I like to ride from my house, and that means 
>> riding almost exclusively on smooth (mostly) pavement. Can anyone suggest 
>> which models are better suited for road riding? Reading and comparing the 
>> descriptions, it seems that the Homer might be a good choice, or possibly 
>> the Appaloosa or Atlantis? Or the new Charlie Gallop, though I haven't 
>> heard much about how it is supposed to ride? I tried a Roadini (which I 
>> recently listed here and sold), but I think it was too big for me. I never 
>> felt comfortable on it. Maybe I just needed it in the right size. 
>>
>> I would like the bike to work well with drop bars because of the multiple 
>> hand positions and they're just what I'm used to. I tried a bike with swept 
>> bars recently, but found I wasn't comfortable on longer rides. And when 
>> riding on streets with minimal shoulder width, I felt like I was going to 
>> catch the end of them on mailboxes or other obstacles. Maybe there's a 
>> handlebar in Rivendell's catalog that works well for road riding?
>>
>> I'd appreciate any comments, especially if someone does this type of 
>> riding and has tried several of these models. Thanks.
>>
>> Chuck
>>
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Re: [RBW] Best Rivendell for pavement riding

[cfichuck]

 
 
 
Seems like a lot of people love their Sams. Which handlebars are you using?
 

 

 

 
 
 
 
 
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> On Mar 3, 2024 at 18:57, aeroperfwrote:
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>  A Sam with 42mm tires at 55 psi.Pure bliss on pavement.
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Re: [RBW] Best Rivendell for pavement riding

[Mike Godwin]

I think my FS Roadeo is a good contender! All prodding aside, it is a great 
pavement bike, works well on dirt roads too as it will fit 700x35 tires.
Mike SLO CA
On Monday, March 4, 2024 at 7:50:49 AM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:

> The Ram is indeed a worthy contender, but I was thinking of current models 
> (I think those I listed are current ...?)
>
> On Sun, Mar 3, 2024 at 3:49 PM Corwin Zechar  wrote:
>
>> Patrick -
>>
>> You forgot the Ram!
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Corwni
>> On Saturday, March 2, 2024 at 2:23:07 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> Roadeo, Roadini, Sam, Homer, and the Nitto Noodle?
>>>
>>> FWIW, after having used any number of drop bars, my favorite is the Maes 
>>> Parallel, available from Rene Herse but not from Rivendell. (Rivendell 
>>> ought to offer it!)
>>>
>>> Patrick Moore, present and former owner of 5 Rivendell drop bar 
>>> road/roady-ish bikes
>>>
>>> On Sat, Mar 2, 2024 at 11:56 AM Chuck Blessing  
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I really like the Rivendell approach to bikes and bike technology with 
 the idea of a more upright posture and a long wheelbase for long rides at 
 a 
 comfortable pace, but it seems like the models all lean heavily to what 
 they call "country bikes."  I like to ride from my house, and that means 
 riding almost exclusively on smooth (mostly) pavement. Can anyone suggest 
 which models are better suited for road riding? Reading and comparing the 
 descriptions, it seems that the Homer might be a good choice, or possibly 
 the Appaloosa or Atlantis? Or the new Charlie Gallop, though I haven't 
 heard much about how it is supposed to ride? I tried a Roadini (which I 
 recently listed here and sold), but I think it was too big for me. I never 
 felt comfortable on it. Maybe I just needed it in the right size. 

 I would like the bike to work well with drop bars because of the 
 multiple hand positions and they're just what I'm used to. I tried a bike 
 with swept bars recently, but found I wasn't comfortable on longer rides. 
 And when riding on streets with minimal shoulder width, I felt like I was 
 going to catch the end of them on mailboxes or other obstacles. Maybe 
 there's a handlebar in Rivendell's catalog that works well for road riding?

 I'd appreciate any comments, especially if someone does this type of 
 riding and has tried several of these models. Thanks.

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[RBW] Re: Rim life - shimano vs. other brake pads?

[Brian Forsee]

At the risk of sending this thread on a tangent, I will pose a related 
question.

How do you measure rim wear due to braking? Anecdotally? Or do you put 
numbers to it? How worn do you go before replacing a rim purely due to 
brake wear?

-Brian 

On Monday, March 4, 2024 at 8:45:46 AM UTC-6 josh.yo...@gmail.com wrote:

> 100% agree with Will. I use Swissstop GXP Blues on my road bikes and Kool 
> Stop salmons on everything else (Paul’s, MAFAC’s, etc.). I find that Kool 
> Stop blacks chew through rims in our Seattle weather. 
>
> Josh
> Seattle, WA
>
> On Sunday, March 3, 2024 at 11:56:18 AM UTC-8 Will Boericke wrote:
>
>> I only ever use Kool Stop Salmon or SwissStop BXP.  No other pad is worth 
>> my time.  I fully realize my post is not useful to you at all :)
>>
>> Will
>>
>> On Sunday, March 3, 2024 at 4:51:29 AM UTC-5 chintan jadwani wrote:
>>
>>> I was looking for reviews on a specific rim (Sun CR18) and ended up on a 
>>> Thorn forum where users kept mentioning that they were experiencing shorter 
>>> rim life as Shimano brake pads were eating up the brake surface much faster 
>>> - and switching brake pads made a significant difference.
>>>
>>> I'm curious if any of your experiences have been similar?
>>>
>>> chintan
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Best Rivendell for pavement riding

[Patrick Moore]

The Ram is indeed a worthy contender, but I was thinking of current models
(I think those I listed are current ...?)

On Sun, Mar 3, 2024 at 3:49 PM Corwin Zechar  wrote:

> Patrick -
>
> You forgot the Ram!
>
> Regards,
>
> Corwni
> On Saturday, March 2, 2024 at 2:23:07 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Roadeo, Roadini, Sam, Homer, and the Nitto Noodle?
>>
>> FWIW, after having used any number of drop bars, my favorite is the Maes
>> Parallel, available from Rene Herse but not from Rivendell. (Rivendell
>> ought to offer it!)
>>
>> Patrick Moore, present and former owner of 5 Rivendell drop bar
>> road/roady-ish bikes
>>
>> On Sat, Mar 2, 2024 at 11:56 AM Chuck Blessing  wrote:
>>
>>> I really like the Rivendell approach to bikes and bike technology with
>>> the idea of a more upright posture and a long wheelbase for long rides at a
>>> comfortable pace, but it seems like the models all lean heavily to what
>>> they call "country bikes."  I like to ride from my house, and that means
>>> riding almost exclusively on smooth (mostly) pavement. Can anyone suggest
>>> which models are better suited for road riding? Reading and comparing the
>>> descriptions, it seems that the Homer might be a good choice, or possibly
>>> the Appaloosa or Atlantis? Or the new Charlie Gallop, though I haven't
>>> heard much about how it is supposed to ride? I tried a Roadini (which I
>>> recently listed here and sold), but I think it was too big for me. I never
>>> felt comfortable on it. Maybe I just needed it in the right size.
>>>
>>> I would like the bike to work well with drop bars because of the
>>> multiple hand positions and they're just what I'm used to. I tried a bike
>>> with swept bars recently, but found I wasn't comfortable on longer rides.
>>> And when riding on streets with minimal shoulder width, I felt like I was
>>> going to catch the end of them on mailboxes or other obstacles. Maybe
>>> there's a handlebar in Rivendell's catalog that works well for road riding?
>>>
>>> I'd appreciate any comments, especially if someone does this type of
>>> riding and has tried several of these models. Thanks.
>>>
>>> Chuck
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Re: [RBW] Large orange HubbuHubbuh For Sale

[Richard Rose]

What size riders did/does this fit?Sent from my iPhoneOn Mar 4, 2024, at 9:02 AM, Julian Westerhout  wrote:For Sale:    Large Rivendell HubbuHubbuH  tandem. Orange. 

Built up with Shimano Deore deraillers and V-brakes, plus rear disk brake set up as a drag brake controlled by stoker. Shifters are Suntour power ratchet. Bullmoose Boscos up front, Boscos with the limited edition V-stoker stem in the back. Portuguese cork grips. SP dynamo front hub, Deore rear — Rich Lesnick built wheels with Maxxis tires and V-O fenders. Front and rear lights. Nitto large front rack and Wald basket. Bike currently has sprung Brooks saddles front and rear (not the B-17 up front in the photo). 

I am not selling the bags in the photo, and the bike will come with two sets of VP flat pedals (the ones on the front). 

This is a very nice build, and in very clean condition. We like the bike, but have 4 (!) tandems and limited space, and this one gets the least use, so needs to go. 

I’m in central Illinois, and could meet folks within an couple of hours, and will be driving east to Maryland March 11 via Indianapolis, Columbus, Morgantown, WV etc. and will be returning via Philadelphia (will be at the Philly Bike) on March 16 and could meet someone on or near that route as well if a deal is reached quickly. Can include a Thule or Yakima rooftop rack attachment as an extra if needed.

More photos on request. 

$2800    

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Bloomington, IL 




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Re: [RBW] Re: Trip Report: Death Valley February 2024

[Bill Schairer]

Thanks for the great report!

Bill S 
San Diego

On Sunday, March 3, 2024 at 9:39:25 PM UTC-8 Keith P. wrote:

> Sounds like an amazing trip!
> k.
>
> On Mar 3, 2024, at 8:33 PM, Diana H  wrote:
>
> 
>
> Is there a way to post photo's? I tried to post just a single photo and 
> kept getting error's that the message was too long. So here is a link to 
> some photo's.
>
>
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/m6ymTWsmPXiiwr8P9 
>
>
> On Sunday, March 3, 2024 at 8:19:20 PM UTC-8 Diana H wrote:
>
>> Map: 
>> https://www.gaiagps.com/map/?loc=9.6/-116.8781/36.7032=GJ70zopvv3HDAIv6yQW94aTs=09fa1491-18a7-4735-83a2-eb164d4ba0ba
>>
>> Total miles: ~165 miles 
>> Total Elevation Gain: ~14,400 ft 
>>
>> *Intro: *
>>
>> The inspiration for this route came from the Bikepacking.com- Echo-Titus 
>> Canyon , but Titus 
>> Canyon is currently closed to all traffic (including bicycles), so we were 
>> looking for a way to extend our tip another day. We added Rhyolite Canyon 
>>  from the Dirty 
>> Freehub.
>>
>>  
>>
>> *Bicycles*
>>
>> Diana’s Bike - 2022 Platypus (50 cm, 38x24 crank, 650Bx43mm GravelKing SK 
>> Knobby tires, Nitto Choco handlebar, and a 9-speed cassette)
>>
>> Ran’s Bike – 2023 Kona Sutra (stock parts except the tubeless 2.1 inch 
>> tires)
>>
>> Mikes Bike – 2022 Salsa Cutthroat (stock parts, 2.2 inch tubeless tires)
>>
>>  
>>
>> *Day 1. Rhyolite Rumble*
>> Total Miles: 46
>> Average Speed 8.6mph
>>
>> We drove from Reno to Spicer Ranch. Spicer Ranch is an amazing campground 
>> and the owner runs it entirely on donations. Clean bathrooms, hot showers, 
>> picnic tables, what else could you ask for? Please donate if you stay here. 
>>
>> Our plan today was to ride load-less and ease our way into the trip. We 
>> arrived at Spicer Ranch a little after 10am and were biking by 10:45am. The 
>> first few miles went by quickly and we passed by several old mines. There 
>> is endless gravel to ride out here and you could easily spend the day 
>> exploring mine to mine. The road is pretty tough in places, but this is how 
>> it will be the entire trip.
>>
>> The excitement of beginning our adventure (and being unloaded) had us 
>> riding fast. We had great views riding toward Grapevine Mountains on 
>> amazingly packed gravel. I would get a flat somewhere along here but 
>> patched it up and moved on. 
>>
>> The views would continue but the road would deteriorate into more sand 
>> than gravel and had us pushing on a few occasions. Ran took a spill during 
>> a moment of lapsed attention when his tire hit the side of a wash. Luckily 
>> it was a slow fall and Ran would ride away with minor scratches. Later on 
>> in the day we hit some washboards and I was going too fast and I got a 
>> pinch flat. Patched that too, but the pinch flat happened right next to the 
>> valve and the patch didn’t hold. Replaced the whole tube just before 
>> Rhyolite. This whole time we saw nobody else on the trails.
>>
>> Rhyolite Ghost town is very interesting and they have a lot of eccentric 
>> statues/sculptures. Worth a visit here if you find yourself in the area. 
>> There were a lot of tourists here and it was little jarring after spending 
>> the whole day by ourselves. 
>>
>> The night caught us and to try to get back to camp quicker, we abstained 
>> from the gravel and rode back on highway 95. This was very unpleasant as 
>> it’s a 2-lane highway with 70 mph speed limits. Most everybody passed us 
>> with as much room as they could spare, and we could always hop onto the 
>> gravel sides if we needed. Once back at Spicer Ranch, we set up camp, ate 
>> our dinners, and all fell into peaceful sleep.
>>
>>
>> *Day 2: Spicer Ranch à Chloride City à Furnace Creek à Echo Canyon*
>>
>> Total Mileage: 66 Miles
>> Max Speed: 34.5mph
>> Average: 8.7mph
>>
>> This was a physically hard day!  We wanted more gravel riding today, so 
>> we decided to take Chloride City Road to meet up with Death Valley Road. 
>> The road to Chloride City is all uphill, riding on somewhat loose gravel, 
>> and many parts so sandy some pushing was needed again. The scenery did not 
>> disappoint though! Mike found a license plate from 1932! We harbored 
>> thoughts of going to see Chloride City Ghost Town, but upon seeing that 
>> Chloride City was another 2000 feet of elevation gain and having just 
>> climbed a very difficult 1500 feet, we opted to skip it.
>>
>> We thought we were going to be golden once we got to the turnoff to go 
>> down, but the decent from Chloride City road is difficult. Thank goodness 
>> it was downhill because otherwise we would have had to push our bicycles 
>> 50% more. It was extremely sandy and only the cars with the fattest of 
>> tires would be safe driving this path.
>>
>> Once we hit Daylight Pass Road it was jarring to *fly* down pavement to 
>> Hells Gate Viewpoint (my max speed was almost 35 mph and I’m sure I 

[RBW] Re: Rim life - shimano vs. other brake pads?

[Josh (BertoBerg)]

100% agree with Will. I use Swissstop GXP Blues on my road bikes and Kool 
Stop salmons on everything else (Paul’s, MAFAC’s, etc.). I find that Kool 
Stop blacks chew through rims in our Seattle weather. 

Josh
Seattle, WA

On Sunday, March 3, 2024 at 11:56:18 AM UTC-8 Will Boericke wrote:

> I only ever use Kool Stop Salmon or SwissStop BXP.  No other pad is worth 
> my time.  I fully realize my post is not useful to you at all :)
>
> Will
>
> On Sunday, March 3, 2024 at 4:51:29 AM UTC-5 chintan jadwani wrote:
>
>> I was looking for reviews on a specific rim (Sun CR18) and ended up on a 
>> Thorn forum where users kept mentioning that they were experiencing shorter 
>> rim life as Shimano brake pads were eating up the brake surface much faster 
>> - and switching brake pads made a significant difference.
>>
>> I'm curious if any of your experiences have been similar?
>>
>> chintan
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS; 48cm 2012 Sam Hillborne

[Ron Cramer]

Thanks for the clarification.  Sorry for wasting your time.  I'm looking
for cantilever brakes. Good luck with your sale. Happy Trails!

On Sun, Mar 3, 2024, 4:02 PM Tommy Love  wrote:

> I'm not quite sure how this happened, but the link to the photos in my
> original are not of my bike.  I usually use dropbox but linked a google
> drive link and most likely this was user error, sorry for the confusion.
> Proper link below.
> Tommy
>
> https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1Wneod4wV75VoE_vRXw4Fqq0TSJKWelG-?usp=share_link
>
>
> On Saturday, March 2, 2024 at 10:59:04 AM UTC-8 Tommy Love wrote:
>
>> This Sam Hillborne is in incredible shape for it's age.  Everything is in
>> perfect working condition and cosmetically, it is really nice.  Frame is a
>> 9 outta 10 (have added photos of the only meaningful blems on the frame),
>> all components in great shape, ready to ride.  Geo attached in photos, but
>> quickly;
>> *C-T* = 19"
>> *C-C* = 18.5"
>> *Top tube* = 21.5"
>> *Stand over height* = 29.5"
>>
>> $1800 complete, buyer pays for shipping.  Located in Southern CA
>> Not preferred, but selling frameset only could also be a discussion.
>> Lastly, a trade could be an option as well.  Size 53,54 Rivendell only.
>> Atlantis or older fun rivbike are most interesting to me.
>>
>> *2012 Sam Hillborne Serial M1220577 Made in Taiwan*
>> - Velocity Synergy 650b wheels laced to Velocity hubs, with Maxy Fasty
>> 32mm tires, all in great shape.  Tires have normal wear, but good condition
>> and plenty of life left
>> - Nitto Dirt drop stem with stem mounted shifters
>> - Modolo Q Race drop bars made in Italy, shellac'd & twined.
>> - Tektro RL-720 brake levers, joined to TRP hood levers
>> - Tektro R559 capliper brakes
>> - Elite bottle cages
>> - Velo Orange seat post
>> - Brooks Cambium C17 saddle
>> - Shimano Deore LX crankset
>> - Shimano Deore XT front and rear derailer
>> - MKS Sylvan pedals
>>
>> *PICTURES OF BIKE HERE*
>>
>> https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1Lcrtaogb4u8tOARV8RzyX6b1gtR0KOfp?usp=share_link
>>
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Re: [RBW] Winter Riding in Alberta

[ascpgh]

Love the compilation of winter rides! The big Ruthworks rando bag on the 
last one too. 

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh


On Sunday, March 3, 2024 at 11:02:34 AM UTC-5 penne...@gmail.com wrote:

> I've updated this series with a tale of winter: 
> https://youtu.be/kJDmtL1OyBk?si=4uUgYg0kLhPasb06
> Happy Sunday,
> Mack
>
>
> On Wednesday, October 25, 2023 at 11:52:03 AM UTC-6 Mack Penner wrote:
>
>> Thanks, Stephen! Glad to hear it :)
>> Mack 
>>
>> On Tuesday, October 24, 2023 at 8:56:01 PM UTC-6 RBW Owners Bunch wrote:
>>
>>> These are so good Mack, missed the first one back in august. Makes me 
>>> want to go ride my bike.
>>>
>>> -stephen
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, October 24, 2023 at 7:15:22 PM UTC-4 RBW Owners Bunch wrote:
>>>
 For those inclined to follow along, here's my "tale of fall 
 ," which in southern 
 alberta is now all but over, snow on the ground and still falling, 
 something like -10 degrees Celsius today. If you're hardcore, you might 
 also consider this semi-absurd overnighter 
  I took my poor 
 brother on at the end of September. 
 Mack

 On Sunday, August 27, 2023 at 7:20:18 PM UTC-6 RBW Owners Bunch wrote:

> Great looking rides. Been a while since I explored that part of the 
> world. 
>
> On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 6:40:53 PM UTC-4 Andrew Letton wrote:
>
>> Love it!  Especially the butterfly cameo!
>> cheers from Oz,
>> Andrew
>>
>> On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 01:36:32 AM GMT+10, Mack Penner <
>> penne...@gmail.com> wrote: 
>>
>>
>> Hi people,
>> I have been on a small eric rohmer kick this year, and when I started 
>> watching the tales of the four seasons it occurred to me that it would 
>> be 
>> fun to document a week of riding in every season. I had the idea in the 
>> summer, so first up is my tale of the summer. Nothin' fancy, I just 
>> perched 
>> my phone on my water bottle like a hundred times during my daily rides 
>> in 
>> the week from 14-18 August. I was gonna put it to music, but then I 
>> thought 
>> that if the goal is to document seasonal riding vibes the sounds that 
>> the 
>> season makes are important! Filmed in southern alberta on my atlantis, 
>> my 
>> joe, my homer, and finally my quickbeam. 
>> Vid's here . Hope you 
>> find it fun!
>> Enjoy the rest of August,
>> Mack 
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Re: [RBW] Best Rivendell for pavement riding

[ascpgh]

+1.
I've sat quietly on my vote since it's no longer available. 

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh

On Sunday, March 3, 2024 at 5:49:08 PM UTC-5 cz...@sonic.net wrote:

> Patrick -
>
> You forgot the Ram!
>
> Regards,
>
> Corwni
> On Saturday, March 2, 2024 at 2:23:07 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Roadeo, Roadini, Sam, Homer, and the Nitto Noodle?
>>
>> FWIW, after having used any number of drop bars, my favorite is the Maes 
>> Parallel, available from Rene Herse but not from Rivendell. (Rivendell 
>> ought to offer it!)
>>
>> Patrick Moore, present and former owner of 5 Rivendell drop bar 
>> road/roady-ish bikes
>>
>> On Sat, Mar 2, 2024 at 11:56 AM Chuck Blessing  wrote:
>>
>>> I really like the Rivendell approach to bikes and bike technology with 
>>> the idea of a more upright posture and a long wheelbase for long rides at a 
>>> comfortable pace, but it seems like the models all lean heavily to what 
>>> they call "country bikes."  I like to ride from my house, and that means 
>>> riding almost exclusively on smooth (mostly) pavement. Can anyone suggest 
>>> which models are better suited for road riding? Reading and comparing the 
>>> descriptions, it seems that the Homer might be a good choice, or possibly 
>>> the Appaloosa or Atlantis? Or the new Charlie Gallop, though I haven't 
>>> heard much about how it is supposed to ride? I tried a Roadini (which I 
>>> recently listed here and sold), but I think it was too big for me. I never 
>>> felt comfortable on it. Maybe I just needed it in the right size. 
>>>
>>> I would like the bike to work well with drop bars because of the 
>>> multiple hand positions and they're just what I'm used to. I tried a bike 
>>> with swept bars recently, but found I wasn't comfortable on longer rides. 
>>> And when riding on streets with minimal shoulder width, I felt like I was 
>>> going to catch the end of them on mailboxes or other obstacles. Maybe 
>>> there's a handlebar in Rivendell's catalog that works well for road riding?
>>>
>>> I'd appreciate any comments, especially if someone does this type of 
>>> riding and has tried several of these models. Thanks.
>>>
>>> Chuck
>>>
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[RBW] Re: WTT / WTB: your Nitto M12 Front Rack for my Nitto Campee 32F Mini Rack

['bikesrfun' via RBW Owners Bunch]

https://bellingham.craigslist.org/bop/d/bellingham-nitto-m12-rack/7722624603.html

On Sunday, March 3, 2024 at 5:05:12 PM UTC-8 J J wrote:

> Hi all — I have a Nitto 32F (new in package) but I want/need a Nitto M12 
> to install using a Riv's cantilever brake bosses. 
>
> If you have an M12 you're not using, please let me know if you're up for a 
> trade for the 32F. 
>
> If you have an M12 but would rather sell than trade it, please let me know 
> your price. I would want all the hardware (stud bolts) that came with it.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Jim
>
>
>
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