[RBW] TPU inner tubes - Anyone using them?

[Steve]

Last evening I mounted a pair of WTB TPU inner tubes under 700c x 48mm 
knobby RH tires. I was pleasantly surprised by how easily they mounted up 
with just enough inflation to plump them a bit. Easier than any butyl tubes 
I've ever used. 

Today I took the bike out on my usual graveled forest service road route, 
bleeding the front end down from 27 to 25 psi about 1/2 into the ride  My 
first impression is that they  compare favorably to the ride feel of a 
tubeless setup. 

Before I sip the kool aid and start buying more of these things - given the 
cost - I'm wondering if anyone has had long term experience with them (not 
necessarily the WTB version).   Any punctures, did they patch 
satisfactorily? Longevity? Your impressions of the quality?

 I'll add that they dropped about 200 grams of ugly fat from the wheels - 
but that wasn't my main objective.

Steve

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[RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne Caliper vs Canti

[Brenton Eastman]

Definitely would need to know your frame/wheel size. My 57cm Sam with 
tektro side pulls and 700c Velocity Dyad hoops clears a 47 teravail, 48 
Rene herse, and 50 gravel king. Not sure how much bigger you’d need. 

On Saturday, April 13, 2024 at 11:36:44 PM UTC-7 bcu...@cullensfoods.com 
wrote:

> Would also love to know this exact question! Did you ever find out? 
>
> On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 2:08:59 AM UTC-5 eliot...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> How much more tire and fender clearance does the Canti version have 
>> compared to say a Paul Racer side pull ? 
>
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[RBW] Re: AliExpress 10 sp spacers -- individually wrapped! [Was: 10 speed spacers: source found, but now confusion and question]

[Garth]

That's very good news Patrick and great info about the cogs and spacers so 
now know I I too can build my own if needed. AliExpress for the win ! Like 
you, I ride certain combos that just aren't offered as completes. The Riv 
7-speed hub is good news but there's no suitable cassettes made in combos I 
ride.  I have lots of 6-7sp freewheels and suitable hubs though to likely 
last me forever and a day so I don't need anything anytime soon. 
On Friday, April 19, 2024 at 3:05:41 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Update on this for anyone who cares. I ordered 10 each (1 extra in case of 
> loss) of 2mm, 2.18mm, and 2.35 mm spacers from AliExpress per Garth's 
> suggestion; thanks again, Garth. 
>
> The upshot after much soul (and web) searching is that *Shimano* 10sp 
> cogs are 1.6mm thick and take 2.35mm spacers, but *Miche* 10sp cogs are 
> 1.8 mm thick in the body -- 1.6 mm in the teeth -- and take 2mm spacers.
>
> I had built my #2-wheel for the Matthews "road bike for dirt" of Shimano 
> cogs but used Miche spacers and, for the most part, it all works very well 
> -- 11 sp chain on 10 sp cassette -- but when the chain is on the 18 t cog, 
> a very much used cruising cog, precise chain adjustment is more finicky and 
> requires more attention to trimming.
>
> So I will replace the 2.0s with, probably the proper Shimano-width 2.35s, 
> but I might try the 2.18s which I guess    are for 11 sp 
> Shimano cassettes? -- simply because the 2.0s have worked so well except 
> for that 18 to cog.
>
> Finally, I placed the order on 4/05 and exactly 2 weeks later the passle 
> of cogs appeared in my mailbox. 
>
> $30 US and change for 30 spacers + shipping + NM or ABQ tax.
>
> The cogs are all aluminum and a very pretty scarlet, and they are very 
> minimally cut and make the stock 2.0 Shimano (I think) silver aluminum 
> spacers look big and clumsy. And each of the 30 received was individually 
> wrapped; I guess for ease of sorting. 
>
> In case you were anxiously fretting about all this 
>
> I had earlier ordered a passle of 10 sp Shimano cogs to build up 14-28 10 
> sp cassettes, and with these spacers, I'm a convert to AliExpress for 
> cheap, decent small parts.
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 2, 2024 at 11:49 AM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>
>> Re-threading this:
>>
>> Thanks, Garth; you're fingers are obviously more deft than mine.
>>
>> But a question, because now I'm confused (per other thread): how wide are 
>> Shimano 10 sp spacers? 
>>
>> You say 2.35, Sheldon says 2.35mm, mine measure consistent 2.04 mm -- the 
>> red plastic ones I ordered from Cycle Clinic (expressly for 10 sp 
>> cassettes) in 2020. *And * I found a half-dozen alum spacers in my bin 
>> that measure a consistent 2.0 mm.
>>
>> So: is 2.04 -- 2.0 the 11 speed spacer?
>>
>> The 14-28 10 sp cassette, as well as the 13-25, both use the red 2.04 mm 
>> spacers with an 11 sp chain and it all shifts wonderfully.
>>
>> *SO:* please tell me what I want!
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 2, 2024 at 11:28 AM Garth  wrote:
>>
>>> I case you come up empty here Patrick, there's aliexpress wholesale 
>>> website. I've ordered from the website from various companies without any 
>>> issues. 
>>> https://www.aliexpress.us/w/wholesale-10-speed-cassette-spacers-2.35mm.html.
>>>  
>>> You can also get spare cogs there. 
>>> https://www.aliexpress.us/w/wholesale-10-speed-cassette-cogs.html
>>>
>>> If anyone made an 7-speed freehub, and it didn't make noise, I'd buy 
>>> some and make my own cassettes. 
>>>
>>
>>
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[RBW] Mark’s Hub Area Rack in stock

[Logan Eiland]

I remember a couple WTB posts looking for these over the last year.Looks like they’re back in stock.



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[RBW] Re: FS: Rosco Platypus - 60cm - $1600

[Benjamin Ellenson]

Hi Erik - sorry for slow response but the Rosco Platypus sold. Hijack away!

On Saturday, March 30, 2024 at 2:24:26 PM UTC-5 Erik wrote:

> In a van down by the river?  :). SF Bay Area. I have an interested party 
> already, but will create a separate FS post if the interested party is not 
> interested in moving forward with a purchase.  I don't want to hijack this 
> post if the original poster is still trying to sell their bike.  
>
> Erik 
>
> On Saturday, March 30, 2024 at 12:18:45 PM UTC-7 Wesley wrote:
>
>> Hey Erik, please help us out by saying where you and the Rosco Platy 
>> live. Thanks!
>> -Wes
>>
>> On Saturday, March 30, 2024 at 8:34:31 AM UTC-7 Erik wrote:
>>
>>> If this one is no longer available, I have a 60cm Rosco Platy complete 
>>> or frame I am getting ready to post for sale.  
>>>
>>> On Thursday, March 28, 2024 at 10:02:23 PM UTC-7 snipp...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Did you sell this? 

 On Saturday, March 2, 2024 at 10:58:22 AM UTC-8 benjamin...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Parting ways with my nearly new Rosco Platypus. Located in Chicago. 
> More pictures available upon request.
>
> Deore 11-speed crankset (32t/175mm crankarms)
> Deore 11-speed derailleur
> Deore 11-speed cassette (11-42)
> Deore 11-speed chain
> Microshift 11-speed thumbie
> Deore v-brakes/levers
> SKS b65 fenders
> Continental 700x50mm tires
> Ergon GC1 grips
> 65cm Rivendell Tosco bars with Nitto 31.8mm quill stem 
> (4-bolt/removable faceplate)
> Alex DM21 rims w/novatec hubs[image: IMG_1489.jpg]
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[RBW] Re: FS: Rosco Platypus - 60cm - $1600

[Benjamin Ellenson]

Sold - sorry for slow response.

On Friday, March 29, 2024 at 12:02:23 AM UTC-5 snipp...@gmail.com wrote:

> Did you sell this? 
>
> On Saturday, March 2, 2024 at 10:58:22 AM UTC-8 benjamin...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Parting ways with my nearly new Rosco Platypus. Located in Chicago. More 
>> pictures available upon request.
>>
>> Deore 11-speed crankset (32t/175mm crankarms)
>> Deore 11-speed derailleur
>> Deore 11-speed cassette (11-42)
>> Deore 11-speed chain
>> Microshift 11-speed thumbie
>> Deore v-brakes/levers
>> SKS b65 fenders
>> Continental 700x50mm tires
>> Ergon GC1 grips
>> 65cm Rivendell Tosco bars with Nitto 31.8mm quill stem (4-bolt/removable 
>> faceplate)
>> Alex DM21 rims w/novatec hubs[image: IMG_1489.jpg]
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Who’s getting a Platypus tomorrow?

[Leah Peterson]

Of course you should give this thread a bump! It looks wonderful. I hope you find it completely comfortable now. I rode mine in a nasty wind today for 26 miles with the women in my bike club. I can’t say I recommend it for that, but it did the job. Can you tell us more about why the new stem/bar is a pleasant change? Interesting!LeahOn Apr 19, 2024, at 3:43 PM, tio ryan  wrote:Hope it's okay to give this thread a bump! I wanted to share how my setup has evolved over the past couple months. Although the previous setup was comfortable, I was experiencing fender rub through turns and it drove me crazy, so I removed the fenders. My thinking was I already have fenders on my other 2 bikes and I'd prefer not to commute in the rain with my Platypus, if possible. After removing the fenders, I changed the pedals. The sw taco pedals were much bigger than I needed and they were getting in the way with the low bb on this bike. I switched the pedals out for sw tiny bubbly pedals I was using on my Kuwahara. I also swapped the b17 for a regal I scored off this list from Julian. For aesthetics, I polished the seat post and shellacked the chainstay protector. From the beginning I knew I wanted a rear rack, so I finally ordered a shiny rear rack from Riv. It's getting warmer here and I'll soon need to switch over to a pannier for my daily commute. I wanted the cockpit to be more sporty, so I ordered a 60mm Nitto 90-190 stem and Ahearne Map bars which did the trick splendidly. It's such a pleasant change from the tosco/tallux combo the bike came with. Finally, I removed the basket from the campee rack as I no longer had a need for it on this bike. Here's how my Platypus is looking now:I'll add the ferrule back to the derailer cable once I settle on the thumb shifter. It's a suntour power ratchet for now. On Friday, January 12, 2024 at 9:25:45 AM UTC-5 tio ryan wrote:Thrilled to be part of the Riv family! I just commuted to work on my Platy and was smiling ear to ear the entire way. I even got a friendly ding-ding from a fellow Riv rider traveling in the opposite direction (I've seen a few others here in Brooklyn over the years). I'm sure more changes will come with time, I'm curious to see myself how it'll look in a year or two. In the near future, I know I'd like to add a rear rack, or maybe a bag. Steve, that's exactly what it is! I'm not even sure who makes this particular one, but it had been strapped to my old man's Hardrock since the early 90s. It's quite nice inverted on a step-thru since the underside of the bag has a reinforced/padded strap that's very comfortable to sit on, or to rest your feet. It also doesn't hurt that it can fit some tools as I'm still dialing in my saddle/bar heights & angles. It was this Blue Lug/Riv video where I saw one on Roman's bike and copied the idea. It's fantastic.-tioOn Thursday, January 11, 2024 at 7:22:41 PM UTC-5 steve...@gmail.com wrote:Tio - I meant to ask about the bag -- Inverted MTB portage bag?On Thursday, January 11, 2024 at 7:18:31 PM UTC-5 Steve wrote:Tio, you've got yourself a good looking Platypus there!!!   It's always nice to see another Man On A Mixte.   Enjoy!!!StevePlatypusRitchey OutbackSampson Silverton 650b conversionOn Thursday, January 11, 2024 at 12:38:44 PM UTC-5 tio ryan wrote:After years of admiration, I finally talked myself into purchasing a 50cm Platypus complete (Sergio Green) back in November. It arrived mid-December and brought my current fleet of bikes to 3, each with a different wheel size: 26", 700c, and now 650b. This purchase was also my first brand new complete bicycle in over 25 years. I chose the complete since I liked the cranks/wheels, but knowing how much I like to tinker I should have realized it wouldn't stay that way for long. I rode the bike stock for a short while before eventually changing out the shifters, brakes, bars/stem, seatpost, and adding on a campee rack, kickstand, and most recently, sks bluemels. I also swapped the chainrings for my preferred biopace style in a 44/28 combo with a front derailer delete since I don't need it right now (and the stock one is ugly). With these changes, this bike is beginning to feel like 'my own' and I've never owned such a nice bicycle! Here's a photo of how mine looks currently: Bars: Nitto Albatross w/ Control Tech extensionsShifter: Suntour Power RatchetBrakes: Shimano DXR MX70Pedals: Simworks Taco It took me a minute to realize the easiest way to carry the bike up to my 3rd floor apartment is by shouldering it through the rear triangle. Since learning this, I've had no problem getting the bike in and out of my apartment, despite it's longer length. My favourite modification is the upside down shoulder bag that I copied from Roman. Combined with the kickstand, it provides the perfect place to rest my feet while seated on a bench. At traffic lights, it's a very comfortable place to sit! I am absolutely loving this bike and I'm ecstatic to finally own a Riv. On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 

Re: [RBW] Rack(s) for Clem

[Patrick Moore]

I've used various Tubus racks on wide-stayed frames and, because they are
tubular steel, they can be spread without fear of damage. Also, Tubus makes
various little fitments that allow you to attach a rack to frames that
might otherwise interfere with ordinary attachment hardware and methods.

As a plus, Tubus racks have very high load ratings; for years I carried
very heavy rear loads on very light Flys.

Patrick "owned very many Tubus racks; currently Tubus stainless steel Fly
modified by S Bilenky for 26"-wheel Matthews commuter/errand custom" Moore

On Fri, Apr 19, 2024 at 6:16 AM Igor  wrote:

> What racks do folks like for their Clem? I am selling my campee racks
> because they are not a good fit on the wider-dropouts of a Clem, and I'd
> like something simpler for rear.
>
> 1 for my wife, 1 for me (We both will have a Clem soon...orange one coming
> for me :D )
>
> I am looking at the RB14 and also the Rivendell Big Rack. I'm probably OK
> with just a saddle bag, and she may want panniers, so I figure the Big Rack
> for her, but maybe some other options out there to consider?
>
> Thanks!
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[RBW] AliExpress 10 sp spacers -- individually wrapped! [Was: 10 speed spacers: source found, but now confusion and question]

[Patrick Moore]

Update on this for anyone who cares. I ordered 10 each (1 extra in case of
loss) of 2mm, 2.18mm, and 2.35 mm spacers from AliExpress per Garth's
suggestion; thanks again, Garth.

The upshot after much soul (and web) searching is that *Shimano* 10sp cogs
are 1.6mm thick and take 2.35mm spacers, but *Miche* 10sp cogs are 1.8 mm
thick in the body -- 1.6 mm in the teeth -- and take 2mm spacers.

I had built my #2-wheel for the Matthews "road bike for dirt" of Shimano
cogs but used Miche spacers and, for the most part, it all works very well
-- 11 sp chain on 10 sp cassette -- but when the chain is on the 18 t cog,
a very much used cruising cog, precise chain adjustment is more finicky and
requires more attention to trimming.

So I will replace the 2.0s with, probably the proper Shimano-width 2.35s,
but I might try the 2.18s which I guess    are for 11 sp
Shimano cassettes? -- simply because the 2.0s have worked so well except
for that 18 to cog.

Finally, I placed the order on 4/05 and exactly 2 weeks later the passle of
cogs appeared in my mailbox.

$30 US and change for 30 spacers + shipping + NM or ABQ tax.

The cogs are all aluminum and a very pretty scarlet, and they are very
minimally cut and make the stock 2.0 Shimano (I think) silver aluminum
spacers look big and clumsy. And each of the 30 received was individually
wrapped; I guess for ease of sorting.

In case you were anxiously fretting about all this 

I had earlier ordered a passle of 10 sp Shimano cogs to build up 14-28 10
sp cassettes, and with these spacers, I'm a convert to AliExpress for
cheap, decent small parts.




On Tue, Apr 2, 2024 at 11:49 AM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> Re-threading this:
>
> Thanks, Garth; you're fingers are obviously more deft than mine.
>
> But a question, because now I'm confused (per other thread): how wide are
> Shimano 10 sp spacers?
>
> You say 2.35, Sheldon says 2.35mm, mine measure consistent 2.04 mm -- the
> red plastic ones I ordered from Cycle Clinic (expressly for 10 sp
> cassettes) in 2020. *And * I found a half-dozen alum spacers in my bin
> that measure a consistent 2.0 mm.
>
> So: is 2.04 -- 2.0 the 11 speed spacer?
>
> The 14-28 10 sp cassette, as well as the 13-25, both use the red 2.04 mm
> spacers with an 11 sp chain and it all shifts wonderfully.
>
> *SO:* please tell me what I want!
>
> Thanks!
>
> On Tue, Apr 2, 2024 at 11:28 AM Garth  wrote:
>
>> I case you come up empty here Patrick, there's aliexpress wholesale
>> website. I've ordered from the website from various companies without any
>> issues.
>> https://www.aliexpress.us/w/wholesale-10-speed-cassette-spacers-2.35mm.html.
>> You can also get spare cogs there.
>> https://www.aliexpress.us/w/wholesale-10-speed-cassette-cogs.html
>>
>> If anyone made an 7-speed freehub, and it didn't make noise, I'd buy some
>> and make my own cassettes.
>>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Sizing question for "in between" PBH measurement

[Bill Lindsay]

This is exactly what I meant above when I mentioned the skill "how not to 
buy the wrong bike".  That's very good work you've done.  

BL in EC

On Friday, April 19, 2024 at 9:42:05 AM UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:

> Right on cue I was just comparing (via bike insights) my Clem L size 52 to 
> the 54.5 AHH. The upcoming Roaduno is reportedly “essentially a Homer”. I 
> have been wondering if I would be able to achieve a Roaduno fit similar to 
> my Clem. It would appear that might be difficult. Stack is good on the AHH, 
> so I can get the bars high. But the reach! 99mm, nearly 10cm shorter? And I 
> use a 135 FacePlater on the Clem in order to get the Bosco’s in a good 
> place. And the wheelbase; Clem’s is more than 17cm longer!! I know the 
> Roaduno & Clem are by design markedly different animals. But this certainly 
> proves the worth of the kind of information available from bike insights. 
> Much to my disappointment, the Roaduno might not be for me.
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 19, 2024, at 11:53 AM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>
> Bike Insights is terrific way to visualize Stack and Reach.  It's 
> excellent.  The fact they have a huge "inventory" of bike data makes it 
> particularly convenient, especially if you have a bike you love that's 
> already in there.  It can get really tricky for some Rivendells because Riv 
> doesn't have "model years" or batch identifiers, so sometimes you may be 
> looking at the wrong thing.  
>
>
> BL in EC
>
> On Friday, April 19, 2024 at 5:21:14 AM UTC-7 Tim Bantham wrote:
>
>> Without taking a deep dive into the geometry numbers I wanted to share my 
>> personal experience.  For reference my other Rivs are a 62 Sam and a 60 
>> Platypus. My PBH is 93.5 cm. Going by Rivendell's approach to sizing I 
>> ordered a 61.5 Homer earlier this year. I ordered the Platypus and the AHH 
>> at the same time and asked Will to hold off on shipping them because I was 
>> scheduled to be away from home for an extended period. My plan for the AHH 
>> was to use it as a drop bar road bike. While I was waiting for the bikes to 
>> ship I studied the geometry comparisons on Bike Insights of my 62 Sam and 
>> the 61.5 AHH. After much hand wringing I became considered that the reach 
>> was longer then I was comfortable with. After discussing it with Will I 
>> decided to size down to the 58 Homer knowing that this would be a drop bar 
>> set up. Comparing the 58 Homer to the 62 Sam that I already own the 
>> geometry was pretty close. I am riding the Homer with a 8 cm stem and 
>> Noodle bars. The Sam has a 5 Cm stem and Crust X Nitto Shaka bars.  There 
>> is a little more seat post showing than I normally would have but at the 
>> end of the day I am perfectly happy with the fit of the 58 Homer. If you 
>> have uncertainty about sizing my recommendation is to consult geo sites 
>> like Bike Insights but it's really important to talk to the guys at 
>> Rivendell. They do a great job with size recommendation. 
>> On Thursday, April 18, 2024 at 9:04:11 PM UTC-4 Mathias Steiner wrote:
>>
>>> This is a useful discussion.I looked up Sam geometry for myself. The 
>>> bikes that fit me have top tube lengths of 56 to 59 cm, and they come in 
>>> seat tube lengths from 52 to 64 cm -- that last one a Cannondale ST600 in 
>>> 25", great riding bike, that gives me basically zero standover clearance. I 
>>> ride it with a Nitto Noodle and a 60 mm long Technomic stem.
>>>
>>> The 57 cm Sam has an "effective "top-tube length of 60 cm.
>>> The 54 cm has 58 cm, right in the middle of my accustomed range.
>>>
>>> My Bruce Gordon/Taiwan BLT has just about the same geometry as my 
>>> Cannondale T400 in 23" size -- 58.4 cm top tube, and those bikes fit really 
>>> well. 
>>> The BLT is the one with the 52 cm (c-to-c) seat tube. I talked to the 
>>> man himself whne I bought it, because that seemed so small, and he 
>>> convinced me (*).
>>>
>>> So for me, 6 foot nothing and 89 cm PBH, I'd get the 54 Sam since I want 
>>> the drop bar, never mind the Rivendell sizing charts. 
>>> They can say "works great with drops or upright bars," and not really be 
>>> wrong," but it's hardly the same bike then. 
>>>  
>>> I took this picture on my winter beater to illustrate the point. There's 
>>> 10-15 cm difference in the hand positions between the drop bar (VO 
>>> Randonneur) and the Nitto Northrads bar, which has fairly mild width and 
>>> backsweep.  With an Albatross or Bosco, I might want the 60 cm Sam with 
>>> the  61.5 top tube and the 87.9 cm standover.
>>>
>>>  [image: behindbars.jpg]
>>>
>>> cheers -mathias
>>>
>>> (*) Bruce Gordon was nice to me!
>>> Wasn't there a T shirt with that slogan? 
>>> We lost an icon when he died.
>>>
>>> On Thursday, April 18, 2024 at 8:20:44 PM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>>
 That I can't say BUT if you go with the 54 might I suggest the Billie 
 bars? They are similar to the Albatross but go back a bit further. Quite 
 luxurious.

 On Thursday, 

Re: [RBW] Re: Sizing question for "in between" PBH measurement

[Richard Rose]

Right on cue I was just comparing (via bike insights) my Clem L size 52 to the 54.5 AHH. The upcoming Roaduno is reportedly “essentially a Homer”. I have been wondering if I would be able to achieve a Roaduno fit similar to my Clem. It would appear that might be difficult. Stack is good on the AHH, so I can get the bars high. But the reach! 99mm, nearly 10cm shorter? And I use a 135 FacePlater on the Clem in order to get the Bosco’s in a good place. And the wheelbase; Clem’s is more than 17cm longer!! I know the Roaduno & Clem are by design markedly different animals. But this certainly proves the worth of the kind of information available from bike insights. Much to my disappointment, the Roaduno might not be for me.Sent from my iPhoneOn Apr 19, 2024, at 11:53 AM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:Bike Insights is terrific way to visualize Stack and Reach.  It's excellent.  The fact they have a huge "inventory" of bike data makes it particularly convenient, especially if you have a bike you love that's already in there.  It can get really tricky for some Rivendells because Riv doesn't have "model years" or batch identifiers, so sometimes you may be looking at the wrong thing.  BL in ECOn Friday, April 19, 2024 at 5:21:14 AM UTC-7 Tim Bantham wrote:Without taking a deep dive into the geometry numbers I wanted to share my personal experience.  For reference my other Rivs are a 62 Sam and a 60 Platypus. My PBH is 93.5 cm. Going by Rivendell's approach to sizing I ordered a 61.5 Homer earlier this year. I ordered the Platypus and the AHH at the same time and asked Will to hold off on shipping them because I was scheduled to be away from home for an extended period. My plan for the AHH was to use it as a drop bar road bike. While I was waiting for the bikes to ship I studied the geometry comparisons on Bike Insights of my 62 Sam and the 61.5 AHH. After much hand wringing I became considered that the reach was longer then I was comfortable with. After discussing it with Will I decided to size down to the 58 Homer knowing that this would be a drop bar set up. Comparing the 58 Homer to the 62 Sam that I already own the geometry was pretty close. I am riding the Homer with a 8 cm stem and Noodle bars. The Sam has a 5 Cm stem and Crust X Nitto Shaka bars.  There is a little more seat post showing than I normally would have but at the end of the day I am perfectly happy with the fit of the 58 Homer. If you have uncertainty about sizing my recommendation is to consult geo sites like Bike Insights but it's really important to talk to the guys at Rivendell. They do a great job with size recommendation. On Thursday, April 18, 2024 at 9:04:11 PM UTC-4 Mathias Steiner wrote:This is a useful discussion.I looked up Sam geometry for myself. The bikes that fit me have top tube lengths of 56 to 59 cm, and they come in seat tube lengths from 52 to 64 cm -- that last one a Cannondale ST600 in 25", great riding bike, that gives me basically zero standover clearance. I ride it with a Nitto Noodle and a 60 mm long Technomic stem.The 57 cm Sam has an "effective "top-tube length of 60 cm.The 54 cm has 58 cm, right in the middle of my accustomed range.My Bruce Gordon/Taiwan BLT has just about the same geometry as my Cannondale T400 in 23" size -- 58.4 cm top tube, and those bikes fit really well. The BLT is the one with the 52 cm (c-to-c) seat tube. I talked to the man himself whne I bought it, because that seemed so small, and he convinced me (*).So for me, 6 foot nothing and 89 cm PBH, I'd get the 54 Sam since I want the drop bar, never mind the Rivendell sizing charts. They can say "works great with drops or upright bars," and not really be wrong," but it's hardly the same bike then.  I took this picture on my winter beater to illustrate the point. There's 10-15 cm difference in the hand positions between the drop bar (VO Randonneur) and the Nitto Northrads bar, which has fairly mild width and backsweep.  With an Albatross or Bosco, I might want the 60 cm Sam with the  61.5 top tube and the 87.9 cm standover. cheers -mathias(*) Bruce Gordon was nice to me!Wasn't there a T shirt with that slogan? We lost an icon when he died.On Thursday, April 18, 2024 at 8:20:44 PM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:That I can't say BUT if you go with the 54 might I suggest the Billie bars? They are similar to the Albatross but go back a bit further. Quite luxurious.On Thursday, April 18, 2024 at 8:13:32 PM UTC-4 Robert Calton wrote:That does make sense. I wonder if a 130 stem with the Albatross bars on the 51 would give enough knee clearance, because I definitely want to run those bars. On Thursday, April 18, 2024 at 8:08:44 PM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:I would never question Rivendell's knowledge on anything at all but like I said their method of sizing bikes for people does not work for me personally. If you are comfortable on the 55 Salsa the 54 SH will feel a lot bigger. The 51 will likely feel pretty close. But I don't want to discourage sizing up especially if you 

Re: [RBW] Rivendells with tubulars

[Bill Lindsay]

Idle curiosity: that's fair.  My executive summary on that front would 
start with you asking a different question:

If Patrick Moore asked: "Do y'all think I should experiment with tubulars 
on "*that Libertas"*?"
then I would answer: "No, I don't think Patrick Moore should experiment 
with tubulars on *that Libertas.*  They are not objectively "way faster" or 
"way smoother" than the best modern clinchers" 

What Patrick Moore actually asked in the initial response was two-fold:
Is it true that modern supple clinchers can roll better than equivalent 
tubulars? I believe that they can
With tubes or only tubeless?  I believe with tubes and without sealant is 
currently considered "the fastest".

I could write many pages about my story of sew up use over the last 40 
years, but I'll cut to the chase that my use of sew ups today in 2024 is 
purely because it's cool.  I've got three sew up wheel sets in my garage at 
the moment, ready to be put into action.  Even the new pink Roadeo has a 
sew up option.  Sew ups on a cyclocross race build is just cool.  It's not 
better.  It's not faster.  It's just cool.  The particular reason I put sew 
ups on my Legolas was practical:  I was building my Roadeo, experimented 
with a wheel set which was supposed to generate better braking, which 
instead generated horrible braking.  I could "fix" the Roadeo by inheriting 
the clincher wheels from the Legolas.  I found cyclocross sew ups on eBay 
for crazy cheap.  So the Legolas became more cool (in my eyes) and the 
Roadeo was permitted to become a bicycle.  I've only ridden the Legolas ~20 
miles on pavement since the sew ups went on.  It's the same bike, only 
cooler.  

I do not think Patrick Moore's cycling life would be enhanced by 
experimenting with sew ups, unless Patrick Moore decided to consider sew 
ups "cool".  I do not believe there is any objective case to be made to 
prove to Patrick Moore that he must try sew ups.  Not speed, not comfort. 
 The physical act of glueing on a tire is a maneuver that I suspect Patrick 
Moore would find frustrating.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA
On Friday, April 19, 2024 at 8:49:03 AM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Yeah, Bill is always mean to me; I'm used to it.
>
> Bill: Idle curiosity, that's all. I read Jan Heine somewhere saying that 
> very good modern clinchers are actually faster than good tubulars and I 
> wondered if anyone has ridden both and can compare them from personal 
> experience. There was a time when I toyed with the idea of trying tubulars, 
> perhaps on that very Libertas, but I'm so happy with the great clinchers 
> from Schwalbe and RH and Soma that I really don't have much motivation to 
> do that.
>
> Libertas: Still need to take it to my brother's house to get a better idea 
> of how fat a tire it will take in the different diameters.The frame is no 
> good to me for the use I'd last planned for it -- an allrounder beater that 
> can ride on the firmer (= shallower sand) ditchbank roads, which requires a 
> minimum of 38 mm and better 42. The frame cannot take 622X38s in front or 
> rear; it won't take 559 X 50s, and I have to figure out if it will take 584 
> X 42s or even 38s. 
>
> I may do a little impromptu vise-work on the inside of the rear stays  
>  we'll see.
>
> On Fri, Apr 19, 2024 at 9:26 AM Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>
>> I don't think it's cynical or aggressive, I'm just trying to get the 
>> context of Patrick Moore's tubular-curiosity.  
>>
>> Lots of people read the RBW group because it's something to read that 
>> generates interesting stuff.  The majority of the users are lurkers and 
>> that's perfectly OK
>> Lots of people pick up info on one Google Group board and then insert it 
>> into another where they think it can be helpful.  That's also perfectly OK
>> Some people are just lifelong learners and want to learn everything there 
>> is to know about bicycles, even the stuff they'd never buy.  That's also 
>> fine.
>> Some people want to gather info about a specific project on the horizon, 
>> and having that target in mind can help focus the exchange
>> Finally, Patrick Moore has been sitting on a frame set, with a 
>> 5-year-long narrative of intents to build it.  That's the only machine in 
>> his possession that I know of that could feasibly "take" sew-ups.  I 
>> excitedly asked about that.  
>>
>> I think those are five very different and perfectly reasonable motives, 
>> and could help generate responses that get the asker what they want.  Maybe 
>> you picked up cynicism or aggressiveness because you suspect Patrick Moore 
>> and I are strangers.  That is not the case.  We go back over a decade.  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Thursday, April 18, 2024 at 8:23:55 PM UTC-7 exliontamer wrote:
>>
>>> That's a very cynical & aggressive response to that question. 
>>>
>>> On Thursday, April 18, 2024 at 7:26:27 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
 "interested to hear how..."  to what end?  Just so you have 

Re: [RBW] Rivendells with tubulars

[exliontamer]

I was reading it as attacking a stranger for their curiosity. Definitely 
wasn't aware of the friendship so sincere apologies for casting aspersions.

On Friday, April 19, 2024 at 10:49:03 AM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Yeah, Bill is always mean to me; I'm used to it.
>
> Bill: Idle curiosity, that's all. I read Jan Heine somewhere saying that 
> very good modern clinchers are actually faster than good tubulars and I 
> wondered if anyone has ridden both and can compare them from personal 
> experience. There was a time when I toyed with the idea of trying tubulars, 
> perhaps on that very Libertas, but I'm so happy with the great clinchers 
> from Schwalbe and RH and Soma that I really don't have much motivation to 
> do that.
>
> Libertas: Still need to take it to my brother's house to get a better idea 
> of how fat a tire it will take in the different diameters.The frame is no 
> good to me for the use I'd last planned for it -- an allrounder beater that 
> can ride on the firmer (= shallower sand) ditchbank roads, which requires a 
> minimum of 38 mm and better 42. The frame cannot take 622X38s in front or 
> rear; it won't take 559 X 50s, and I have to figure out if it will take 584 
> X 42s or even 38s. 
>
> I may do a little impromptu vise-work on the inside of the rear stays  
>  we'll see.
>
> On Fri, Apr 19, 2024 at 9:26 AM Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>
>> I don't think it's cynical or aggressive, I'm just trying to get the 
>> context of Patrick Moore's tubular-curiosity.  
>>
>> Lots of people read the RBW group because it's something to read that 
>> generates interesting stuff.  The majority of the users are lurkers and 
>> that's perfectly OK
>> Lots of people pick up info on one Google Group board and then insert it 
>> into another where they think it can be helpful.  That's also perfectly OK
>> Some people are just lifelong learners and want to learn everything there 
>> is to know about bicycles, even the stuff they'd never buy.  That's also 
>> fine.
>> Some people want to gather info about a specific project on the horizon, 
>> and having that target in mind can help focus the exchange
>> Finally, Patrick Moore has been sitting on a frame set, with a 
>> 5-year-long narrative of intents to build it.  That's the only machine in 
>> his possession that I know of that could feasibly "take" sew-ups.  I 
>> excitedly asked about that.  
>>
>> I think those are five very different and perfectly reasonable motives, 
>> and could help generate responses that get the asker what they want.  Maybe 
>> you picked up cynicism or aggressiveness because you suspect Patrick Moore 
>> and I are strangers.  That is not the case.  We go back over a decade.  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Thursday, April 18, 2024 at 8:23:55 PM UTC-7 exliontamer wrote:
>>
>>> That's a very cynical & aggressive response to that question. 
>>>
>>> On Thursday, April 18, 2024 at 7:26:27 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
 "interested to hear how..."  to what end?  Just so you have something 
 to read?  So you can pick up a smart comment to re-use in another forum 
 later?  Just as an academic consideration about "Bicycle"?  Or for some 
 practical application that you are personally considering?  Are you 
 thinking about setting up *"that Libertas" * with tubulars?  

 Bill Lindsay
 El Cerrito, CA

 On Thursday, April 18, 2024 at 2:58:29 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:

> I'll be interested to hear how users of both compare the ride and 
> "feel" of tubulars to clinchers with tubes and tubeless clinchers.* Is it 
> true that modern supple clinchers can roll better than equivalent 
> tubulars? 
> With tubes or only tubeless?
>
>
> * I realize that "wired on" is the correct term but this isn't the CR 
> list.
>
> On Thu, Apr 18, 2024 at 11:42 AM Bill Lindsay  
> wrote:
>
>> A discussion a while back touched on a couple people revealing that 
>> they run sew-ups on their Rivendell.  Show a photo of your Rivendell 
>> with 
>> sew-ups!  
>>
>> Here's my 57cm Legolas.  I briefly reconfigured it as a 2x road bike, 
>> but it's in-process getting switched back to a cyclocross racing set up. 
>>  
>> No, I will not be racing cyclocross any time soon, but I will be using 
>> it 
>> for rides of that kind.  
>>
>> https://flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/53661740502/in/dateposted/
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Evening Spring Ride on the Clem

[Patrick Moore]

Thanks, Dave, I've looked up the Carson and it appears readily available
for $33. It's on my "To Buy" list.

On Thu, Apr 18, 2024 at 5:08 PM DavidP  wrote:

> "Palm sized" is how I'd describe the Carson MiniScout 7x18 I take along on
> trail rides and other rides when I don't expect to be using them much or
> are too rough to bring more expensive binoculars. Tiny, expendable, very
> small eye relief, but surprisingly decent handling for the size.
>
> A 6x18 monocular is smaller but the bins give a better view.
>
> -Dave
>
> On Thursday, April 18, 2024 at 6:35:55 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Yes; please keep them coming.
>>
>> Aside, to all: suggestions for a usable but inexpensive, small, and
>> easily stowable binocular or monocular for very casual sightings while
>> riding around? For some reason I lost or tossed a nice palm-size binocular
>> and I'd like to replace with with something that easily fits into a rear
>> jersey pocket.
>>
>>
>> Patrick "I see a Clem in my future, but only after fettling the new M 1:1
>> knobby wheelset and the beater Libertas build" Moore
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 18, 2024 at 8:42 AM DavidP  wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks, Chris - very much enjoyed your ride report and always great to
>>> see photos!
>>>
>>> I also like to bring binos on bike rides, and find a stem bag is a great
>>> way to have them easily accessible (requires folding/pocket bins - I use a
>>> pair of Bushnell Legend 10x25 for this).
>>>
>>> -Dave
>>>
>>> On Thursday, April 18, 2024 at 1:51:56 AM UTC-4 Chris Halasz wrote:
>>>
 I took advantage of the intermission in rains here on California’s
 Central Coast for a short and easy trail ride this evening.


 I'd started running again and enjoying something like a 10k loop along
 this trail for the past year, and recently wondered why I never bother to
 take a bike here: it's a quicker way to grab the binos and do some
 occasional birding. A Clem seemed like a good candidate for stepping off in
 sketchy sections, and for portaging with its low top tube.


 This was its first ride into the trees!


 The trees seemed to be enjoying the frogs making happy noise in the
 creek, the air was cool, not much breeze, and the (new to me) Clem cruised
 nicely over the winter’s leaves, the drying trails, and lots of exposed
 rock from a generously wet winter. Shall I ride the bike when I go
 hear Suzanne Simard speak in a couple weeks?


 [image: IMG_1128.jpeg]


 [image: IMG_1132.jpeg]


 [image: IMG_1137.jpeg]


 Hope you enjoy the photos as much as I enjoyed the (short) ride,


 Chris

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[RBW] Re: Sizing question for "in between" PBH measurement

[Bill Lindsay]

Bike Insights is terrific way to visualize Stack and Reach.  It's 
excellent.  The fact they have a huge "inventory" of bike data makes it 
particularly convenient, especially if you have a bike you love that's 
already in there.  It can get really tricky for some Rivendells because Riv 
doesn't have "model years" or batch identifiers, so sometimes you may be 
looking at the wrong thing.  

BL in EC

On Friday, April 19, 2024 at 5:21:14 AM UTC-7 Tim Bantham wrote:

> Without taking a deep dive into the geometry numbers I wanted to share my 
> personal experience.  For reference my other Rivs are a 62 Sam and a 60 
> Platypus. My PBH is 93.5 cm. Going by Rivendell's approach to sizing I 
> ordered a 61.5 Homer earlier this year. I ordered the Platypus and the AHH 
> at the same time and asked Will to hold off on shipping them because I was 
> scheduled to be away from home for an extended period. My plan for the AHH 
> was to use it as a drop bar road bike. While I was waiting for the bikes to 
> ship I studied the geometry comparisons on Bike Insights of my 62 Sam and 
> the 61.5 AHH. After much hand wringing I became considered that the reach 
> was longer then I was comfortable with. After discussing it with Will I 
> decided to size down to the 58 Homer knowing that this would be a drop bar 
> set up. Comparing the 58 Homer to the 62 Sam that I already own the 
> geometry was pretty close. I am riding the Homer with a 8 cm stem and 
> Noodle bars. The Sam has a 5 Cm stem and Crust X Nitto Shaka bars.  There 
> is a little more seat post showing than I normally would have but at the 
> end of the day I am perfectly happy with the fit of the 58 Homer. If you 
> have uncertainty about sizing my recommendation is to consult geo sites 
> like Bike Insights but it's really important to talk to the guys at 
> Rivendell. They do a great job with size recommendation. 
> On Thursday, April 18, 2024 at 9:04:11 PM UTC-4 Mathias Steiner wrote:
>
>> This is a useful discussion.I looked up Sam geometry for myself. The 
>> bikes that fit me have top tube lengths of 56 to 59 cm, and they come in 
>> seat tube lengths from 52 to 64 cm -- that last one a Cannondale ST600 in 
>> 25", great riding bike, that gives me basically zero standover clearance. I 
>> ride it with a Nitto Noodle and a 60 mm long Technomic stem.
>>
>> The 57 cm Sam has an "effective "top-tube length of 60 cm.
>> The 54 cm has 58 cm, right in the middle of my accustomed range.
>>
>> My Bruce Gordon/Taiwan BLT has just about the same geometry as my 
>> Cannondale T400 in 23" size -- 58.4 cm top tube, and those bikes fit really 
>> well. 
>> The BLT is the one with the 52 cm (c-to-c) seat tube. I talked to the man 
>> himself whne I bought it, because that seemed so small, and he convinced me 
>> (*).
>>
>> So for me, 6 foot nothing and 89 cm PBH, I'd get the 54 Sam since I want 
>> the drop bar, never mind the Rivendell sizing charts. 
>> They can say "works great with drops or upright bars," and not really be 
>> wrong," but it's hardly the same bike then. 
>>  
>> I took this picture on my winter beater to illustrate the point. There's 
>> 10-15 cm difference in the hand positions between the drop bar (VO 
>> Randonneur) and the Nitto Northrads bar, which has fairly mild width and 
>> backsweep.  With an Albatross or Bosco, I might want the 60 cm Sam with 
>> the  61.5 top tube and the 87.9 cm standover.
>>
>>  [image: behindbars.jpg]
>>
>> cheers -mathias
>>
>> (*) Bruce Gordon was nice to me!
>> Wasn't there a T shirt with that slogan? 
>> We lost an icon when he died.
>>
>> On Thursday, April 18, 2024 at 8:20:44 PM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>
>>> That I can't say BUT if you go with the 54 might I suggest the Billie 
>>> bars? They are similar to the Albatross but go back a bit further. Quite 
>>> luxurious.
>>>
>>> On Thursday, April 18, 2024 at 8:13:32 PM UTC-4 Robert Calton wrote:
>>>
 That does make sense. I wonder if a 130 stem with the Albatross bars on 
 the 51 would give enough knee clearance, because I definitely want to run 
 those bars. 
 On Thursday, April 18, 2024 at 8:08:44 PM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:

> I would never question Rivendell's knowledge on anything at all but 
> like I said their method of sizing bikes for people does not work for me 
> personally. If you are comfortable on the 55 Salsa the 54 SH will feel a 
> lot bigger. The 51 will likely feel pretty close. But I don't want to 
> discourage sizing up especially if you are diving into the sweptback 
> movement the kids are into these days.
>
> On Thursday, April 18, 2024 at 8:02:45 PM UTC-4 Robert Calton wrote:
>
>> OP here, apologies for deleting the post amidst the thoughtful 
>> conversation, I thought that I got the answer I needed and didn't want 
>> to 
>> clutter up the board :p 
>>
>> Will at Riv suggested that I size up to the 54. 
>>
>> The context was: compared to my 

Re: [RBW] Rivendells with tubulars

[Patrick Moore]

Yeah, Bill is always mean to me; I'm used to it.

Bill: Idle curiosity, that's all. I read Jan Heine somewhere saying that
very good modern clinchers are actually faster than good tubulars and I
wondered if anyone has ridden both and can compare them from personal
experience. There was a time when I toyed with the idea of trying tubulars,
perhaps on that very Libertas, but I'm so happy with the great clinchers
from Schwalbe and RH and Soma that I really don't have much motivation to
do that.

Libertas: Still need to take it to my brother's house to get a better idea
of how fat a tire it will take in the different diameters.The frame is no
good to me for the use I'd last planned for it -- an allrounder beater that
can ride on the firmer (= shallower sand) ditchbank roads, which requires a
minimum of 38 mm and better 42. The frame cannot take 622X38s in front or
rear; it won't take 559 X 50s, and I have to figure out if it will take 584
X 42s or even 38s.

I may do a little impromptu vise-work on the inside of the rear stays 
 we'll see.

On Fri, Apr 19, 2024 at 9:26 AM Bill Lindsay  wrote:

> I don't think it's cynical or aggressive, I'm just trying to get the
> context of Patrick Moore's tubular-curiosity.
>
> Lots of people read the RBW group because it's something to read that
> generates interesting stuff.  The majority of the users are lurkers and
> that's perfectly OK
> Lots of people pick up info on one Google Group board and then insert it
> into another where they think it can be helpful.  That's also perfectly OK
> Some people are just lifelong learners and want to learn everything there
> is to know about bicycles, even the stuff they'd never buy.  That's also
> fine.
> Some people want to gather info about a specific project on the horizon,
> and having that target in mind can help focus the exchange
> Finally, Patrick Moore has been sitting on a frame set, with a 5-year-long
> narrative of intents to build it.  That's the only machine in his
> possession that I know of that could feasibly "take" sew-ups.  I excitedly
> asked about that.
>
> I think those are five very different and perfectly reasonable motives,
> and could help generate responses that get the asker what they want.  Maybe
> you picked up cynicism or aggressiveness because you suspect Patrick Moore
> and I are strangers.  That is not the case.  We go back over a decade.
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Thursday, April 18, 2024 at 8:23:55 PM UTC-7 exliontamer wrote:
>
>> That's a very cynical & aggressive response to that question.
>>
>> On Thursday, April 18, 2024 at 7:26:27 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> "interested to hear how..."  to what end?  Just so you have something to
>>> read?  So you can pick up a smart comment to re-use in another forum
>>> later?  Just as an academic consideration about "Bicycle"?  Or for some
>>> practical application that you are personally considering?  Are you
>>> thinking about setting up *"that Libertas" * with tubulars?
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>> On Thursday, April 18, 2024 at 2:58:29 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
 I'll be interested to hear how users of both compare the ride and
 "feel" of tubulars to clinchers with tubes and tubeless clinchers.* Is it
 true that modern supple clinchers can roll better than equivalent tubulars?
 With tubes or only tubeless?


 * I realize that "wired on" is the correct term but this isn't the CR
 list.

 On Thu, Apr 18, 2024 at 11:42 AM Bill Lindsay 
 wrote:

> A discussion a while back touched on a couple people revealing that
> they run sew-ups on their Rivendell.  Show a photo of your Rivendell with
> sew-ups!
>
> Here's my 57cm Legolas.  I briefly reconfigured it as a 2x road bike,
> but it's in-process getting switched back to a cyclocross racing set up.
> No, I will not be racing cyclocross any time soon, but I will be using it
> for rides of that kind.
>
> https://flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/53661740502/in/dateposted/
>
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Re: [RBW] Rivendells with tubulars

[Bill Lindsay]

I don't think it's cynical or aggressive, I'm just trying to get the 
context of Patrick Moore's tubular-curiosity.  

Lots of people read the RBW group because it's something to read that 
generates interesting stuff.  The majority of the users are lurkers and 
that's perfectly OK
Lots of people pick up info on one Google Group board and then insert it 
into another where they think it can be helpful.  That's also perfectly OK
Some people are just lifelong learners and want to learn everything there 
is to know about bicycles, even the stuff they'd never buy.  That's also 
fine.
Some people want to gather info about a specific project on the horizon, 
and having that target in mind can help focus the exchange
Finally, Patrick Moore has been sitting on a frame set, with a 5-year-long 
narrative of intents to build it.  That's the only machine in his 
possession that I know of that could feasibly "take" sew-ups.  I excitedly 
asked about that.  

I think those are five very different and perfectly reasonable motives, and 
could help generate responses that get the asker what they want.  Maybe you 
picked up cynicism or aggressiveness because you suspect Patrick Moore and 
I are strangers.  That is not the case.  We go back over a decade.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Thursday, April 18, 2024 at 8:23:55 PM UTC-7 exliontamer wrote:

> That's a very cynical & aggressive response to that question. 
>
> On Thursday, April 18, 2024 at 7:26:27 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> "interested to hear how..."  to what end?  Just so you have something to 
>> read?  So you can pick up a smart comment to re-use in another forum later? 
>>  Just as an academic consideration about "Bicycle"?  Or for some practical 
>> application that you are personally considering?  Are you thinking about 
>> setting up *"that Libertas" * with tubulars?  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Thursday, April 18, 2024 at 2:58:29 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> I'll be interested to hear how users of both compare the ride and "feel" 
>>> of tubulars to clinchers with tubes and tubeless clinchers.* Is it true 
>>> that modern supple clinchers can roll better than equivalent tubulars? With 
>>> tubes or only tubeless?
>>>
>>>
>>> * I realize that "wired on" is the correct term but this isn't the CR 
>>> list.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Apr 18, 2024 at 11:42 AM Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>>>
 A discussion a while back touched on a couple people revealing that 
 they run sew-ups on their Rivendell.  Show a photo of your Rivendell with 
 sew-ups!  

 Here's my 57cm Legolas.  I briefly reconfigured it as a 2x road bike, 
 but it's in-process getting switched back to a cyclocross racing set up.  
 No, I will not be racing cyclocross any time soon, but I will be using it 
 for rides of that kind.  

 https://flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/53661740502/in/dateposted/

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>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rack(s) for Clem

[Bruce Byker James]

I have the Axiom Journey on my Clem. I only had to spread the legs a little 
to get them on the outside of the seat stay bosses, but I like that 
suggestion to put them on the inside. It's really sturdy, especially on the 
Clem. I've used it for probably 50 lb. of groceries pretty easily.

If I were buying this rack again, I noticed they now make one with the 
spring on top:
https://www.axiomgear.com/products/racks/journey-racks/journey-with-spring/

 - Bruce

On Friday, April 19, 2024 at 10:12:02 AM UTC-4 mrg...@gmail.com wrote:

> I have the pletscher clem rack which is great (the mousetrap thing is 
> surprisingly useful, it can hold a basket in place) and an Axiom rack (I 
> think it's called streamliner) that is pretty lightweight. 
>
> One thing I do is put bolts for the lower legs of the rack on the inside 
> of the seatstay bosses which prevents the rack legs from having to spread 
> really wide.
>
> mike
>
> On Friday, April 19, 2024 at 8:48:20 AM UTC-5 Kim H. wrote:
>
>> @Igor -
>>
>> I have some Arkel panniers for sale with a pair of f/r Old Man Mountain 
>> racks for $500.00, plus shipping. If you do not want the racks, I will 
>> gladly sell the panniers separately for $300.00, plus shipping.
>> I have the tent pouch and fanny pack that are included in the sale. If 
>> you don't want the tent, that is fine. 
>>
>>
>> https://seattle.craigslist.org/oly/bop/d/yelm-arkel-r-panniers-with-old-man/7737089803.html
>>
>> Kim Hetzel. 
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Friday, April 19, 2024 at 6:33:33 AM UTC-7 Richard Rose wrote:
>>
>>> Hello Ian. I have a few racks for my Clem L (52) that I quite like. 
>>> First is a Riv “Shiny” rack. It is very sturdy/rigid and supports panniers 
>>> nicely. I have also used it as a saddlebag support. I also have a Nitto R10 
>>> for bag support. It works great & is beautiful. Perhaps a bit against the 
>>> grain I also use a Tumbleweed “T rack”. I have used this as a front rack on 
>>> the Clem & a rear rack on my Gus. It is unique in that it has three bolt 
>>> mounts built in to the vertical struts. I mount King many things caves and 
>>> use fork bags. I mount a Wald basket to the platform. It works great & 
>>> certainly would be a good large handlebar bag support.
>>> [image: image1.jpeg]
>>> [image: image0.jpeg]
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Apr 19, 2024, at 9:04 AM, ian m  wrote:
>>>
>>> I have one of the Pletscher rear racks Riv sold as the "Clem rack" if 
>>> you're interested. Has the removable pannier rails.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Friday, April 19, 2024 at 8:16:50 AM UTC-4 Igor wrote:
>>>
 What racks do folks like for their Clem? I am selling my campee racks 
 because they are not a good fit on the wider-dropouts of a Clem, and I'd 
 like something simpler for rear.

 1 for my wife, 1 for me (We both will have a Clem soon...orange one 
 coming for me :D )

 I am looking at the RB14 and also the Rivendell Big Rack. I'm probably 
 OK with just a saddle bag, and she may want panniers, so I figure the Big 
 Rack for her, but maybe some other options out there to consider?

 Thanks!

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[RBW] FS: Nitto Billie bars

[eddietheflay]

Been installed but so damn close to perfect condition...a photo can't show 
the teeny tiny nicks. $95 shipped.

This is the second set removed from bike #2.

Thanks for looking.

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[RBW] Re: WTB: 54cm Appaloosa or Sam, or 53cm Atlantis

[Chuck Blessing]

Thanks. That one is not going to work for me, though.

On Thursday, April 18, 2024 at 6:31:25 PM UTC-4 nca...@gmail.com wrote:

> Theres a 53 Atlantis in Columbus on the facebook group.  Thats just a hop 
> skip from you. 
>
> On Thursday, April 18, 2024 at 6:27:36 PM UTC-4 cfic...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Preferably with swept bars (Choco, Losco, Billie, etc) or possibly frame 
>> only. I'm in Cincinnati, OH and could travel a reasonable distance to pick 
>> up, or shipping is possible. Also will be traveling to Kansas City, KS in 
>> June and could pick up along that route, as well. 
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rack(s) for Clem

[Mike Packard]

I have the pletscher clem rack which is great (the mousetrap thing is 
surprisingly useful, it can hold a basket in place) and an Axiom rack (I 
think it's called streamliner) that is pretty lightweight. 

One thing I do is put bolts for the lower legs of the rack on the inside of 
the seatstay bosses which prevents the rack legs from having to spread 
really wide.

mike

On Friday, April 19, 2024 at 8:48:20 AM UTC-5 Kim H. wrote:

> @Igor -
>
> I have some Arkel panniers for sale with a pair of f/r Old Man Mountain 
> racks for $500.00, plus shipping. If you do not want the racks, I will 
> gladly sell the panniers separately for $300.00, plus shipping.
> I have the tent pouch and fanny pack that are included in the sale. If you 
> don't want the tent, that is fine. 
>
>
> https://seattle.craigslist.org/oly/bop/d/yelm-arkel-r-panniers-with-old-man/7737089803.html
>
> Kim Hetzel. 
>
>
>
>
>
> On Friday, April 19, 2024 at 6:33:33 AM UTC-7 Richard Rose wrote:
>
>> Hello Ian. I have a few racks for my Clem L (52) that I quite like. First 
>> is a Riv “Shiny” rack. It is very sturdy/rigid and supports panniers 
>> nicely. I have also used it as a saddlebag support. I also have a Nitto R10 
>> for bag support. It works great & is beautiful. Perhaps a bit against the 
>> grain I also use a Tumbleweed “T rack”. I have used this as a front rack on 
>> the Clem & a rear rack on my Gus. It is unique in that it has three bolt 
>> mounts built in to the vertical struts. I mount King many things caves and 
>> use fork bags. I mount a Wald basket to the platform. It works great & 
>> certainly would be a good large handlebar bag support.
>> [image: image1.jpeg]
>> [image: image0.jpeg]
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Apr 19, 2024, at 9:04 AM, ian m  wrote:
>>
>> I have one of the Pletscher rear racks Riv sold as the "Clem rack" if 
>> you're interested. Has the removable pannier rails.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Friday, April 19, 2024 at 8:16:50 AM UTC-4 Igor wrote:
>>
>>> What racks do folks like for their Clem? I am selling my campee racks 
>>> because they are not a good fit on the wider-dropouts of a Clem, and I'd 
>>> like something simpler for rear.
>>>
>>> 1 for my wife, 1 for me (We both will have a Clem soon...orange one 
>>> coming for me :D )
>>>
>>> I am looking at the RB14 and also the Rivendell Big Rack. I'm probably 
>>> OK with just a saddle bag, and she may want panniers, so I figure the Big 
>>> Rack for her, but maybe some other options out there to consider?
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rack(s) for Clem

[Kim H.]

@Igor -

I have some Arkel panniers for sale with a pair of f/r Old Man Mountain 
racks for $500.00, plus shipping. If you do not want the racks, I will 
gladly sell the panniers separately for $300.00, plus shipping.
I have the tent pouch and fanny pack that are included in the sale. If you 
don't want the tent, that is fine. 

https://seattle.craigslist.org/oly/bop/d/yelm-arkel-r-panniers-with-old-man/7737089803.html

Kim Hetzel. 





On Friday, April 19, 2024 at 6:33:33 AM UTC-7 Richard Rose wrote:

> Hello Ian. I have a few racks for my Clem L (52) that I quite like. First 
> is a Riv “Shiny” rack. It is very sturdy/rigid and supports panniers 
> nicely. I have also used it as a saddlebag support. I also have a Nitto R10 
> for bag support. It works great & is beautiful. Perhaps a bit against the 
> grain I also use a Tumbleweed “T rack”. I have used this as a front rack on 
> the Clem & a rear rack on my Gus. It is unique in that it has three bolt 
> mounts built in to the vertical struts. I mount King many things caves and 
> use fork bags. I mount a Wald basket to the platform. It works great & 
> certainly would be a good large handlebar bag support.
> [image: image1.jpeg]
> [image: image0.jpeg]
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 19, 2024, at 9:04 AM, ian m  wrote:
>
> I have one of the Pletscher rear racks Riv sold as the "Clem rack" if 
> you're interested. Has the removable pannier rails.
>
>
>
> On Friday, April 19, 2024 at 8:16:50 AM UTC-4 Igor wrote:
>
>> What racks do folks like for their Clem? I am selling my campee racks 
>> because they are not a good fit on the wider-dropouts of a Clem, and I'd 
>> like something simpler for rear.
>>
>> 1 for my wife, 1 for me (We both will have a Clem soon...orange one 
>> coming for me :D )
>>
>> I am looking at the RB14 and also the Rivendell Big Rack. I'm probably OK 
>> with just a saddle bag, and she may want panniers, so I figure the Big Rack 
>> for her, but maybe some other options out there to consider?
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rack(s) for Clem

[Richard Rose]

Oops! My reply should have been to Igor.Sent from my iPhoneOn Apr 19, 2024, at 9:33 AM, Richard Rose  wrote:Hello Ian. I have a few racks for my Clem L (52) that I quite like. First is a Riv “Shiny” rack. It is very sturdy/rigid and supports panniers nicely. I have also used it as a saddlebag support. I also have a Nitto R10 for bag support. It works great & is beautiful. Perhaps a bit against the grain I also use a Tumbleweed “T rack”. I have used this as a front rack on the Clem & a rear rack on my Gus. It is unique in that it has three bolt mounts built in to the vertical struts. I mount King many things caves and use fork bags. I mount a Wald basket to the platform. It works great & certainly would be a good large handlebar bag support.Sent from my iPhoneOn Apr 19, 2024, at 9:04 AM, ian m  wrote:I have one of the Pletscher rear racks Riv sold as the "Clem rack" if you're interested. Has the removable pannier rails.On Friday, April 19, 2024 at 8:16:50 AM UTC-4 Igor wrote:What racks do folks like for their Clem? I am selling my campee racks because they are not a good fit on the wider-dropouts of a Clem, and I'd like something simpler for rear.1 for my wife, 1 for me (We both will have a Clem soon...orange one coming for me :D )I am looking at the RB14 and also the Rivendell Big Rack. I'm probably OK with just a saddle bag, and she may want panniers, so I figure the Big Rack for her, but maybe some other options out there to consider?Thanks!



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Re: [RBW] Re: Rack(s) for Clem

[Richard Rose]

Hello Ian. I have a few racks for my Clem L (52) that I quite like. First is a Riv “Shiny” rack. It is very sturdy/rigid and supports panniers nicely. I have also used it as a saddlebag support. I also have a Nitto R10 for bag support. It works great & is beautiful. Perhaps a bit against the grain I also use a Tumbleweed “T rack”. I have used this as a front rack on the Clem & a rear rack on my Gus. It is unique in that it has three bolt mounts built in to the vertical struts. I mount King many things caves and use fork bags. I mount a Wald basket to the platform. It works great & certainly would be a good large handlebar bag support.Sent from my iPhoneOn Apr 19, 2024, at 9:04 AM, ian m  wrote:I have one of the Pletscher rear racks Riv sold as the "Clem rack" if you're interested. Has the removable pannier rails.On Friday, April 19, 2024 at 8:16:50 AM UTC-4 Igor wrote:What racks do folks like for their Clem? I am selling my campee racks because they are not a good fit on the wider-dropouts of a Clem, and I'd like something simpler for rear.1 for my wife, 1 for me (We both will have a Clem soon...orange one coming for me :D )I am looking at the RB14 and also the Rivendell Big Rack. I'm probably OK with just a saddle bag, and she may want panniers, so I figure the Big Rack for her, but maybe some other options out there to consider?Thanks!



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[RBW] Re: FS: Rivendell A. Homer Hilsen - Toyo Version - 63cm

[jeffbog...@hotmail.com]

Hey Matt, I'm interested. Please let me know if you still have it. Thanks!

Jeff

On Thursday 7 March 2024 at 20:07:10 UTC-6 MCT wrote:

> Price drop to $1,250.  
>
> On Monday, February 19, 2024 at 4:46:23 PM UTC-6 MCT wrote:
>
>> Bump.  Any offers out there. 
>>
>> On Friday, February 9, 2024 at 4:24:17 PM UTC-6 MCT wrote:
>>
>>> Price Drop to $1350. 
>>>
>>> On Monday, February 5, 2024 at 8:29:17 PM UTC-6 MCT wrote:
>>>
 Selling my Rivendell A. Homer Hilsen frameset, so frame, fork, and 
 headset. The frame is in outstanding shape as shown in the pictures. The 
 stem and handlebars are not included in the price. It is the Toyo version 
 so made in Japan. This is a catch and release as I bought it a few months 
 ago from here or ibob.

 The size is 63cm. You can find the geometry for the Toyo Homer at the 
 google sheets below. 


 https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1gfiN1kOxVrthdc6eScUF9fP5n-BvRBILbBMYiEg5LM4

 Pictures here 


 https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1-35Bc9y6EwECQVwe1QqF9aq-5SoCyVB_?usp=sharing

 Please let me know if you have any questions or want to see a picture 
 of something specific. 
 The price is $1,500 shipped CONUS. 

 Thanks, Matt in OKC

>>>

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[RBW] Re: Rack(s) for Clem

[ian m]

I have one of the Pletscher rear racks Riv sold as the "Clem rack" if 
you're interested. Has the removable pannier rails.

On Friday, April 19, 2024 at 8:16:50 AM UTC-4 Igor wrote:

> What racks do folks like for their Clem? I am selling my campee racks 
> because they are not a good fit on the wider-dropouts of a Clem, and I'd 
> like something simpler for rear.
>
> 1 for my wife, 1 for me (We both will have a Clem soon...orange one coming 
> for me :D )
>
> I am looking at the RB14 and also the Rivendell Big Rack. I'm probably OK 
> with just a saddle bag, and she may want panniers, so I figure the Big Rack 
> for her, but maybe some other options out there to consider?
>
> Thanks!
>

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[RBW] Re: Sizing question for "in between" PBH measurement

[Tim Bantham]

Without taking a deep dive into the geometry numbers I wanted to share my 
personal experience.  For reference my other Rivs are a 62 Sam and a 60 
Platypus. My PBH is 93.5 cm. Going by Rivendell's approach to sizing I 
ordered a 61.5 Homer earlier this year. I ordered the Platypus and the AHH 
at the same time and asked Will to hold off on shipping them because I was 
scheduled to be away from home for an extended period. My plan for the AHH 
was to use it as a drop bar road bike. While I was waiting for the bikes to 
ship I studied the geometry comparisons on Bike Insights of my 62 Sam and 
the 61.5 AHH. After much hand wringing I became considered that the reach 
was longer then I was comfortable with. After discussing it with Will I 
decided to size down to the 58 Homer knowing that this would be a drop bar 
set up. Comparing the 58 Homer to the 62 Sam that I already own the 
geometry was pretty close. I am riding the Homer with a 8 cm stem and 
Noodle bars. The Sam has a 5 Cm stem and Crust X Nitto Shaka bars.  There 
is a little more seat post showing than I normally would have but at the 
end of the day I am perfectly happy with the fit of the 58 Homer. If you 
have uncertainty about sizing my recommendation is to consult geo sites 
like Bike Insights but it's really important to talk to the guys at 
Rivendell. They do a great job with size recommendation. 
On Thursday, April 18, 2024 at 9:04:11 PM UTC-4 Mathias Steiner wrote:

> This is a useful discussion.I looked up Sam geometry for myself. The bikes 
> that fit me have top tube lengths of 56 to 59 cm, and they come in seat 
> tube lengths from 52 to 64 cm -- that last one a Cannondale ST600 in 25", 
> great riding bike, that gives me basically zero standover clearance. I ride 
> it with a Nitto Noodle and a 60 mm long Technomic stem.
>
> The 57 cm Sam has an "effective "top-tube length of 60 cm.
> The 54 cm has 58 cm, right in the middle of my accustomed range.
>
> My Bruce Gordon/Taiwan BLT has just about the same geometry as my 
> Cannondale T400 in 23" size -- 58.4 cm top tube, and those bikes fit really 
> well. 
> The BLT is the one with the 52 cm (c-to-c) seat tube. I talked to the man 
> himself whne I bought it, because that seemed so small, and he convinced me 
> (*).
>
> So for me, 6 foot nothing and 89 cm PBH, I'd get the 54 Sam since I want 
> the drop bar, never mind the Rivendell sizing charts. 
> They can say "works great with drops or upright bars," and not really be 
> wrong," but it's hardly the same bike then. 
>  
> I took this picture on my winter beater to illustrate the point. There's 
> 10-15 cm difference in the hand positions between the drop bar (VO 
> Randonneur) and the Nitto Northrads bar, which has fairly mild width and 
> backsweep.  With an Albatross or Bosco, I might want the 60 cm Sam with 
> the  61.5 top tube and the 87.9 cm standover.
>
>  [image: behindbars.jpg]
>
> cheers -mathias
>
> (*) Bruce Gordon was nice to me!
> Wasn't there a T shirt with that slogan? 
> We lost an icon when he died.
>
> On Thursday, April 18, 2024 at 8:20:44 PM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:
>
>> That I can't say BUT if you go with the 54 might I suggest the Billie 
>> bars? They are similar to the Albatross but go back a bit further. Quite 
>> luxurious.
>>
>> On Thursday, April 18, 2024 at 8:13:32 PM UTC-4 Robert Calton wrote:
>>
>>> That does make sense. I wonder if a 130 stem with the Albatross bars on 
>>> the 51 would give enough knee clearance, because I definitely want to run 
>>> those bars. 
>>> On Thursday, April 18, 2024 at 8:08:44 PM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>>
 I would never question Rivendell's knowledge on anything at all but 
 like I said their method of sizing bikes for people does not work for me 
 personally. If you are comfortable on the 55 Salsa the 54 SH will feel a 
 lot bigger. The 51 will likely feel pretty close. But I don't want to 
 discourage sizing up especially if you are diving into the sweptback 
 movement the kids are into these days.

 On Thursday, April 18, 2024 at 8:02:45 PM UTC-4 Robert Calton wrote:

> OP here, apologies for deleting the post amidst the thoughtful 
> conversation, I thought that I got the answer I needed and didn't want to 
> clutter up the board :p 
>
> Will at Riv suggested that I size up to the 54. 
>
> The context was: compared to my current bike, a drop-bar 55cm Salsa 
> Vaya's standover of 77.6cm and top tube of 55cm...
>
> 51 Sam standover: 78.6 (+1cm from Vaya)
> 51 Sam top tube: 56.5 (+1.5cm from Vaya) 
>
> 54 Sam standover: 82.0 (+4.4cm from Vaya) 
> 54 Sam top tube:  58 (+3cm from Vaya) 
>
> An 83.8 PBH was the highest measurement out of the 10 or so times I 
> measured. Most of the time it was 81.2 - 82.5 range. I'm 5'11 with a 30" 
> inseam. Riv says a 51 Sam is 79-83 and a 54 is 83-86. That nearly 2" 
> increase of standover height gives me pause, to be 

[RBW] Rack(s) for Clem

[Igor]

What racks do folks like for their Clem? I am selling my campee racks 
because they are not a good fit on the wider-dropouts of a Clem, and I'd 
like something simpler for rear.

1 for my wife, 1 for me (We both will have a Clem soon...orange one coming 
for me :D )

I am looking at the RB14 and also the Rivendell Big Rack. I'm probably OK 
with just a saddle bag, and she may want panniers, so I figure the Big Rack 
for her, but maybe some other options out there to consider?

Thanks!

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[RBW] FS: 700c Campee Racks, front and rear pair

[Igor]

Selling a set of 700c Nitto Campee  racks. They attach at the canti posts 
and dropouts.

Front 
: 
https://benscycle.vtexassets.com/arquivos/ids/5682910/Nitto-Campee-Front-Rack---26--bens-large-870-254.jpg?v=63753004701563
Rear is this 
one: 
https://global.bluelug.com/media/catalog/product/cache/100d208050382d234e489625bc2dc3b4/1/d/1dpp_29961.jpg

Asking $500 shipped USA; Comes with all bolts and nuts

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Re: [RBW] Hello from Ireland

[Nicholas A]

@Ted Durant

Beautiful bike in one of the most beautiful parts of the world, let alone 
the country! Love Dingle and it's environs. I've yet to ride my bike there 
though, it's on the list. 

@John S

There are plenty of nice routes into the mountains from Dublin 16, you can 
pretty much head south from anywhere there and be in the countryside in 30 
minutes! Have you done much riding around there?

@Roberta

Thanks Roberta. I'm very excited to get my hands on the Homer. 

@Paul in Dallas

Thanks Paul. I'll do my best to post pics and reports.

@Tom Goodman

Tom, I wish I could say it rarely rains, but it doesn't rain quite as much 
as some people might think, and that's what mudguards are for. 

@Ant

Cheers Ant. Yeah I was having trouble myself with the bag sagging on the 
light which is a pain. I'm keeping it supported now with a Rod Steward from 
Ron's Bikes/Shovel Research, it's absolutely perfect for what I need. 
It's impractical if you want to take the bag on and off on the regular but 
I just leave it on there so no problems. 

On Tuesday 16 April 2024 at 16:50:53 UTC+1 ant.w...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hi Nick, 
>
> Fellow drop bar Appaloosa owner here. I've been trying to figure out for 
> some time how to get my dynamo light and front bag to play nicely - I 
> really like your solution of putting the light under the bag. What rack are 
> you using on the front there?
>
> Thanks for the post,
> Ant
>
> On Monday 15 April 2024 at 00:07:15 UTC+1 Jay wrote:
>
>> Hello Nick - welcome!
>>
>> I would like to see photos.  Ooo, and Videos, if you don't mind, both of 
>> the city and countryside ;-)
>>
>> Seriously though, would LOVE to see some vlogs from Ireland :-)
>>
>> On Sunday, April 14, 2024 at 4:08:26 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> Welcome! I think you are the only Irish listmember. Please post photos 
>>> of your rides and routes. Five or six years ago my daughter spent 10 days 
>>> or so in Ireland with a high school chorale group and did the usual tours 
>>> by coach outside of Dublin; lovely scenes. I had vague thoughts of flying 
>>> out with a bike at the same time to do a tour but it came to nothing.
>>>
>>> I know we have at least one Japanese listmember who posts beautiful ride 
>>> photos, and of course the list includes riders in all parts of the US 
>>> posting hugely varied scenery, but I don't know of any other European 
>>> members, let along another Irish one. Perhaps we had a Scottish listmember 
>>> a few years ago, or did he post on the iBoblist?
>>>
>>> Patrick Moore, in the cottonwood bosque along the Rio Grande in the 
>>> middle of the Southwestern US high desert.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Apr 14, 2024 at 1:42 PM Nicholas A  wrote:
>>>
 Hi guys,

 My name's Nick from Dublin, a reformed racer, proud owner of an 
 Appaloosa with an A Homer Hilsen in the pipeline as well. I have a few 
 other bikes in the stable as well, a couple of Mercians namely. One is in 
 bits, and a lot of those bits are on the other. 

 Can't say I've seen a lot of Rivs in Ireland but I did chat to a guy on 
 a lovely Quickbeam recently.

 When I got the Appaloosa first I had Albatross bars on it but have a 
 stubby stem and 48cm Noodles on there now, I much prefer them. I guess you 
 can take the boy outta the road but you can't take the road outta the boy. 

 Anyway, happy to be here, I've been enjoying reading everyone's posts 
 and hope I can contribute something.

 Nick

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