[RBW] Re: Brooks B68

[jeffbog...@hotmail.com]

I have one, PM sent

On Wednesday 15 May 2024 at 09:38:10 UTC-5 jrst...@gmail.com wrote:

> Anyone have a fairly new B68 you are looking to sell?
>
> Thanks
>
> Joel
>

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Re: [RBW] Cameras On Bikes

[Chester]

Robert Tilley wrote:

My favorite camera to carry on the bike is the Sony RX100. It takes great 
photos and is pretty compact. 


When I carry a camera, it's been an RX100 (III), too. After all these 
years, it's still a really nice package compromise of overall size, sensor 
size, and zoom range.  

But, for more than a few years now...

Bones wrote:

I typically leave my phone home when I go out for rides, unless I’m 
commuting to work. GR IIIx works well for me.


...I've been wanting to get a Ricoh GR III. Or maybe a IIIx. Hard to decide 
what focal length to commit to but I think probably it makes most sense to 
go with the III to have the option of having a wide lens, but with 24MP 
resolution, having a pretty good amount of leeway to crop.

In years past, there were times when I'd lug around a D-SLR, carrying it in 
a LowePro SLR toploader bag worn as a fanny pack...looking super, super 
cool. Sometimes on a minivelo, just to fully round out how awesome I 
looked. 

Really appreciate bigger sensors being available in pocketable packages. I 
don't ride in jerseys any more, so I haven't settled on the best way to 
carry even a really compact camera like an RX100 or GR. Even when just 
riding with my phone, with it in the pocket of a normal pair of shorts, 
it's not a great to wrestle it out while pedaling. Have ridding a couple 
times with the RX100 in a stem pouch and that's probably the best carry 
option I've used so far. Ir maybe that sort of bag worn on a belt, or...a 
fanny pack.

This all reminds me that I've got an old Fuji X-M1 that could fit in a 
small bag with the 27mm f/2.8 and using that for a while will give me a 
better idea of whether I'd be more happy with a GR IIIx or GR III.

Thanks for starting the thread, Keith. Fun seeing what other folks are 
carrying while riding. 

Chester
SF Bay Area

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[RBW] Re: Northern Hemisphere Spring 2024 Photos

[Kim H.]

@Chester,

I have always wanted to ride up Montebello Road and explore, when I lived 
in Mountain View, California. Unfortunately, the road was gated and closed 
to the public back in the 1970's. 

I am very glad to see that the area is a natural preserve now for the 
public to access and enjoy the wonderful views of the Santa Clara Valley. 

I enjoyed your ride report very much. I thank-you for sharing. 

Kim Hetzel.

On Wednesday, May 15, 2024 at 7:32:53 PM UTC-7 Chester wrote:

> Some pictures from a ride a few weekends ago. The Montebello Road climb up 
> to Black Mountain in the southern SF Bay Area. The ride is a really 
> well-known one in the area and rewards you with nice views of the South 
> Bay. Not a noteworthy climb for most to climb, but for me it was. I spent a 
> bunch of years not riding at all, after having kids, but in the recent few 
> years, I have been relaxing my level of paranoia and trying to get back 
> into decent shape. Erratically and only marginally successfully. So I was 
> pretty satisfied with myself in doing an otherwise unremarkable ~2000 feet 
> over ~5.5 miles. The most I'd done in recent years was 1500 feet over 10 
> miles on an MTB ride, almost 4 years ago. The climb was a very slow grind 
> but was a really satisfying sort of milestone because it was pretty much 
> the first "real" road ride I'd done in over a decade. Of course, I've 
> barely ridden in the few weeks since, but will try my best to keep the 
> inertia up.
>
> Would have liked to have enjoyed the views more, but I was so slow, and 
> started off so late, that the sun was setting and I was already going to be 
> riding city streets after dark and was going to be well late for dinner. 
> Next time.
>
> Chester
> SF Bay Area
>
> [image: PSX_20240515_191147.jpg]
> [image: PSX_20240515_191211.jpg]
> [image: PSX_20240515_191240.jpg]
> [image: PSX_20240515_191255.jpg]
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Northern Hemisphere Spring 2024 Photos

[Kim H.]

or to be more specific; another thread brewing.

Kim Hetzel.

On Wednesday, May 15, 2024 at 5:41:22 PM UTC-7 John Rinker wrote:

> Uh oh, Tony, I see another thread germinating: Great Breweries My Riv 
> Steers Me Towards. Ha! 
>
> Cheers, John
>
> On Wednesday, May 15, 2024 at 1:31:48 PM UTC-7 Tony Lockhart wrote:
>
>> @Patrick -- Great beer in Arcata. Look up the Lost Coast Brewery if 
>> you're ever in the area.
>>
>> On Wednesday, May 15, 2024 at 10:37:02 AM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> Lovely photos. Thanks. Among many other very interesting aspects of all 
>>> the photos people post here is the variety of landscape. I had to Google 
>>> Arcata, but it seems that it's really Pacific Northwest with the wet and 
>>> cool and very, very green climate thereof.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, May 14, 2024 at 9:27 PM jamin orrall  wrote:
>>>
 Nice ride through the redwoods this morning in Arcata, CA

 [image: bike ride -8 Large.jpeg]
 [image: bike ride -6 Large.jpeg][image: bike ride -7 Large.jpeg]
 [image: bike ride -9 Large.jpeg]

>>>

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Re: [RBW] Northern Hemisphere Spring 2024 Photos

[John Rinker]

Uh oh, Tony, I see another thread germinating: Great Breweries My Riv 
Steers Me Towards. Ha! 

Cheers, John

On Wednesday, May 15, 2024 at 1:31:48 PM UTC-7 Tony Lockhart wrote:

> @Patrick -- Great beer in Arcata. Look up the Lost Coast Brewery if you're 
> ever in the area.
>
> On Wednesday, May 15, 2024 at 10:37:02 AM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Lovely photos. Thanks. Among many other very interesting aspects of all 
>> the photos people post here is the variety of landscape. I had to Google 
>> Arcata, but it seems that it's really Pacific Northwest with the wet and 
>> cool and very, very green climate thereof.
>>
>>
>> On Tue, May 14, 2024 at 9:27 PM jamin orrall  wrote:
>>
>>> Nice ride through the redwoods this morning in Arcata, CA
>>>
>>> [image: bike ride -8 Large.jpeg]
>>> [image: bike ride -6 Large.jpeg][image: bike ride -7 Large.jpeg]
>>> [image: bike ride -9 Large.jpeg]
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Cameras On Bikes

[Bob Ehrenbeck]

Another Olympus OM-D E-M5 mk II user here. The 17mm f/1.8 lens keeps things 
nice and light when the camera is hanging from my neck or on my shoulder, 
ready for action photos during group rides.

Bob E.
Cranford, NJ
[image: PXL_20240515_211958462 copy 2.jpg]




On Wednesday, May 15, 2024 at 3:39:44 PM UTC-4 christian poppell wrote:

> Fun topic! For film cameras I've used a Minolta GT and a Nikon FE with a 
> 50mm 1.8. The Minolta gets thrown in the handlebar bag and the Nikon has a 
> Tunitas Motion camera strap (
> https://www.tunitascreative.com/product-page/motion-camera-strap). We 
> also recently used a disposable for a trip out to Lost Dutchman which was a 
> fun way to snap some film shots while riding (much less stressful taking 
> photos while riding too). 
>
> Its been tempting to make the switch back to digital, especially when film 
> and developing are so expensive. I believe the justification to continue 
> shooting film are in the limitations and the fact that I don't have to sit 
> in front of a computer to get the images, managing folders, and organizing 
> everything. Even when I had Lightroom it was a chore. 
>
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Northern Hemisphere Spring 2024 Photos

[Tony Lockhart]

@Patrick -- Great beer in Arcata. Look up the Lost Coast Brewery if you're 
ever in the area.

On Wednesday, May 15, 2024 at 10:37:02 AM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Lovely photos. Thanks. Among many other very interesting aspects of all 
> the photos people post here is the variety of landscape. I had to Google 
> Arcata, but it seems that it's really Pacific Northwest with the wet and 
> cool and very, very green climate thereof.
>
>
> On Tue, May 14, 2024 at 9:27 PM jamin orrall  wrote:
>
>> Nice ride through the redwoods this morning in Arcata, CA
>>
>> [image: bike ride -8 Large.jpeg]
>> [image: bike ride -6 Large.jpeg][image: bike ride -7 Large.jpeg]
>> [image: bike ride -9 Large.jpeg]
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Sam Hillbornes Go Live Tomorrow

[reeb]

almost pulled the trigger but hesitant about sizing! at 80 PBH, should i be 
going for the 48 or 51 for casual city rides with maybe once a month 
camping treks (most likely upright bars)? 

On Wednesday, May 15, 2024 at 3:06:38 PM UTC-4 Michael wrote:

> 57 Green here
>
> On Wednesday, May 15, 2024 at 3:02:30 PM UTC-4 Ted Durant wrote:
>
>>
>> Done. 51cm Periwinkle for my 3rd Sam. If people think I'm being piggy 
>> I'll consider letting it go. 
>>
>> Ted Durant
>> Milwaukee, WI USA
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: My Rivendell Platypus - A Forever Bike Build

[Tony Lockhart]

Congrats on dialing in that build, Armand. Wishing you many happy miles.

On Wednesday, May 15, 2024 at 12:18:57 PM UTC-7 kiziria...@gmail.com wrote:

> Thanks for the kind words everyone!
>
> *@Leah* - I feel like evntually I'll switch the v-brakes. Right now 
> that will require a rack change, and I love the F32 front as it's all 
> brazed and very lightweight. I also utilize a Nitto NR-21 rear rack for a 
> saddle bar support for the longer day rides/touring mode which is not 
> v-brake compatible. Silver shifters are GREAT. The level of adjustability 
> in the housing direction, as well as the lever stops, allow for some 
> exception fine tuning of ergonomics and placement. The "thumb screw" that 
> adjusts the level of friction WILL back off if nothing is applied to the 
> threads. I dried and built up some layers of threadlocker on the screw 
> threads so it maintains the friction setting without backing out. 
>
> *@For those questioning the step-through frame*. This is my first! I went 
> for it because it's classy, smaller friends can ride the bike successfully, 
> provides a great carry handle, and although I have no shortage of mobility, 
> the step-through design is convenient for sure. It mostly gives a really 
> interesting look, especially for such a large frame. I do question the 
> additional pair of "mid-stays" in the rear triangle potentially stiffening 
> up the rear too much. However, the single bottle cage along with 
> compromised potential frame-bag space IS a huge caveat. I recently 
> discovered the Appaloosa has wider tire clearance than the Platypus. If the 
> right size lime-olive/purple frame popped up I just may switch all the 
> parts over. 
>
> *@Dan *- Congrats on your Appaloosa! The Velocity Quill's has a 21mm 
> internal width. It should handle your max tire size, ~2.25" just fine. 
> Anyone who told you otherwise is being silly. I plan on switching to some 
> Oracle ridge tires tomorrow, tubeless. Will let you know if I encounter any 
> issues, I don't anticipate any. Velocity's product page even says up to 
> 48mm for the "optimal" tire size. 
>
> *@Ryan *- Chainring attachment was homemade. It was the original 
> chainring on the pictured cranks that was worn to hell. Be sure to use an 
> aluminum one, not steel. Exceptionally easy to shape with nothing but a 
> vice, hacksaw, and some basic files. 
>
> *@Steve *- The next step with the canti-levers is to make some old school 
> brake boosters. Right now there is a TON of flex at the brake posts. Since 
> the Paul brakes have the tension spring forward, rather than rear, there is 
> a good ~8-10mm of brake post exposed between the brake caliper and the fork 
> blade. This can be a great opportunity to place a brake booster there. It 
> is about as simple of a part as it gets for me to model on the computer, 
> and send to some friends with fancy CNC machines and a block of aluminum. A 
> good time can be had styling it for a Rivendell. 
> On Wednesday, May 15, 2024 at 9:43:18 AM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> As Mathias, I too have no particular interest in step-throughs -- I've 
>> owned a number of them: mixtes, drop-frame Raleigh Sportses and clones -- 
>> and if I ever buy another one it will be a Clem to build up as a 
>> ride-around beater and not for the drop frame; but yes, that Platypus is 
>> very well coordinated and set up. Kudos.
>>
>> On Tue, May 14, 2024 at 8:57 PM Mathias Steiner  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm a little mystified by the whole step-through thing, so a Platypus 
>>> isn't high on my personal list.
>>>
>>> But THAT is a great build. You can tell a lot of thought and a lot of 
>>> love went into it. Beautiful.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, May 14, 2024 at 9:43:28 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>>> wrote:
>>>

 Aren’t the Platys the best? I’m so excited for you to have this beauty 
 and have it forever. I loved this model so much I ended up with a trio of 
 them. I regret nothing. My purple Gravel & Travel Platy is being built up 
 with rainbow and oil slick parts right now, and I’m anxious to see it. It 
 won’t be classy like your regal purple Platy, though. 

 Are you going to change to v brakes? How do you like the Silver 
 Shifters? I got those, too, and it will be my first bike with them. 

 I look forward to hearing more about your adventures on this new bike 
 and especially at the LA Invitational Ride! This bike can do almost 
 anything. 10,000 feet of climbing. Pssshhahhh. No problem. 
 Leah
 On Tuesday, May 14, 2024 at 8:07:12 PM UTC-4 kiziria...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> One more little clip of me testing the off-road capabilities. Riding a 
> narrower saddle to be able to get my thighs behind it would improve 
> steep, 
> technical descents quite a lot. All in all I do NOT miss descending 
> rough-ish dirt roads with a rigid bike. I hope it encounter them with 
> little frequency. 
>
>
> 

Re: [RBW] Re: My Rivendell Platypus - A Forever Bike Build

[Armand Kizirian]

Thanks for the kind words everyone!

*@Leah* - I feel like evntually I'll switch the v-brakes. Right now 
that will require a rack change, and I love the F32 front as it's all 
brazed and very lightweight. I also utilize a Nitto NR-21 rear rack for a 
saddle bar support for the longer day rides/touring mode which is not 
v-brake compatible. Silver shifters are GREAT. The level of adjustability 
in the housing direction, as well as the lever stops, allow for some 
exception fine tuning of ergonomics and placement. The "thumb screw" that 
adjusts the level of friction WILL back off if nothing is applied to the 
threads. I dried and built up some layers of threadlocker on the screw 
threads so it maintains the friction setting without backing out. 

*@For those questioning the step-through frame*. This is my first! I went 
for it because it's classy, smaller friends can ride the bike successfully, 
provides a great carry handle, and although I have no shortage of mobility, 
the step-through design is convenient for sure. It mostly gives a really 
interesting look, especially for such a large frame. I do question the 
additional pair of "mid-stays" in the rear triangle potentially stiffening 
up the rear too much. However, the single bottle cage along with 
compromised potential frame-bag space IS a huge caveat. I recently 
discovered the Appaloosa has wider tire clearance than the Platypus. If the 
right size lime-olive/purple frame popped up I just may switch all the 
parts over. 

*@Dan *- Congrats on your Appaloosa! The Velocity Quill's has a 21mm 
internal width. It should handle your max tire size, ~2.25" just fine. 
Anyone who told you otherwise is being silly. I plan on switching to some 
Oracle ridge tires tomorrow, tubeless. Will let you know if I encounter any 
issues, I don't anticipate any. Velocity's product page even says up to 
48mm for the "optimal" tire size. 

*@Ryan *- Chainring attachment was homemade. It was the original chainring 
on the pictured cranks that was worn to hell. Be sure to use an aluminum 
one, not steel. Exceptionally easy to shape with nothing but a vice, 
hacksaw, and some basic files. 

*@Steve *- The next step with the canti-levers is to make some old school 
brake boosters. Right now there is a TON of flex at the brake posts. Since 
the Paul brakes have the tension spring forward, rather than rear, there is 
a good ~8-10mm of brake post exposed between the brake caliper and the fork 
blade. This can be a great opportunity to place a brake booster there. It 
is about as simple of a part as it gets for me to model on the computer, 
and send to some friends with fancy CNC machines and a block of aluminum. A 
good time can be had styling it for a Rivendell. 
On Wednesday, May 15, 2024 at 9:43:18 AM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:

> As Mathias, I too have no particular interest in step-throughs -- I've 
> owned a number of them: mixtes, drop-frame Raleigh Sportses and clones -- 
> and if I ever buy another one it will be a Clem to build up as a 
> ride-around beater and not for the drop frame; but yes, that Platypus is 
> very well coordinated and set up. Kudos.
>
> On Tue, May 14, 2024 at 8:57 PM Mathias Steiner  
> wrote:
>
>> I'm a little mystified by the whole step-through thing, so a Platypus 
>> isn't high on my personal list.
>>
>> But THAT is a great build. You can tell a lot of thought and a lot of 
>> love went into it. Beautiful.
>>
>> On Tuesday, May 14, 2024 at 9:43:28 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Aren’t the Platys the best? I’m so excited for you to have this beauty 
>>> and have it forever. I loved this model so much I ended up with a trio of 
>>> them. I regret nothing. My purple Gravel & Travel Platy is being built up 
>>> with rainbow and oil slick parts right now, and I’m anxious to see it. It 
>>> won’t be classy like your regal purple Platy, though. 
>>>
>>> Are you going to change to v brakes? How do you like the Silver 
>>> Shifters? I got those, too, and it will be my first bike with them. 
>>>
>>> I look forward to hearing more about your adventures on this new bike 
>>> and especially at the LA Invitational Ride! This bike can do almost 
>>> anything. 10,000 feet of climbing. Pssshhahhh. No problem. 
>>> Leah
>>> On Tuesday, May 14, 2024 at 8:07:12 PM UTC-4 kiziria...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 One more little clip of me testing the off-road capabilities. Riding a 
 narrower saddle to be able to get my thighs behind it would improve steep, 
 technical descents quite a lot. All in all I do NOT miss descending 
 rough-ish dirt roads with a rigid bike. I hope it encounter them with 
 little frequency. 


 https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/rw4lpolns8s6x6cyzg07w/IMG_9041.MOV?rlkey=608dbcfa4tx3nxvu36wthlm8a=0

 On Tuesday, May 14, 2024 at 4:58:59 PM UTC-7 Armand Kizirian wrote:

> This last weekend I took it on a mixed terrain ride, about 35 miles 
> with over 3500ft of climbing. I 

Re: [RBW] Sam Hillbornes Go Live Tomorrow

[Michael]

57 Green here

On Wednesday, May 15, 2024 at 3:02:30 PM UTC-4 Ted Durant wrote:

>
> Done. 51cm Periwinkle for my 3rd Sam. If people think I'm being piggy I'll 
> consider letting it go. 
>
> Ted Durant
> Milwaukee, WI USA
>

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Re: [RBW] Sam Hillbornes Go Live Tomorrow

[Ted Durant]

Done. 51cm Periwinkle for my 3rd Sam. If people think I'm being piggy I'll 
consider letting it go. 

Ted Durant
Milwaukee, WI USA

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Re: [RBW] Cameras On Bikes

[DavidP]

Another Ricoh GR user - my 1st gen is still going strong nearly after 10 
years. Still love the image quality. Almost upgraded to a GRIII last year 
(mostly for IS), but decided to stick with the one I have.

I bought the GR after my RX100 failed (stuck lens mechanism) because I 
wasn't careful about where I stored it on a bike ride (fairly obvious but 
don't let your camera sit in a bag that comes into contact with a frame 
tube). My favorite features of the RX100 were the pano mode and the custom 
self-timer (basically a built in intervalometer).

I sometimes stick my EOS R with a small lens in a waist pack, but usually 
bring the GR in a stem bag or handlebar bar bag (just no contact with the 
bike!).

-Dave

On Wednesday, May 15, 2024 at 1:49:37 PM UTC-4 Bones wrote:

> I typically leave my phone home when I go out for rides, unless I’m 
> commuting to work. GR IIIx works well for me. It fits easily into a loosely 
> cinched stem bag, where I can grab it whenever I want. I shoot exclusively 
> in snap focus mode on this camera. Quick and easy. Occasionally I even take 
> nice pictures.
>
> Bones
>
> On Wednesday, May 15, 2024 at 12:27:54 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> I enjoy the sometimes very good quality (composition as well as 
>> reproductive quality) of the photos shared on this list, so all you good 
>> photographers please buy better cameras.
>>
>> Me, I'd like to learn how to take distance shots with an old iPhone, tho' 
>> very possibly it's not possible. I tried to take a wide shot of Canada 
>> geese and white (crested?) herons and various other wildfowl yesterday at a 
>> nearby nature open space but the results were so poor that I had to discard 
>> them. [I don't want an additional apparatus of a dedicated camera.]
>>
>> I remember there was an iBoblist fad back in the early aughts, before 
>> this list existed, of taking bike ride photos with those very primitive and 
>> very cheap early-Chinese manufacturing stick cameras that you could pick up 
>> for $4 or even as free giveaways everywhere, then uploading them via some 
>> file management system using a software with very primitive user interface. 
>> I was surprised at the quality of some of these photos, including distance 
>> and even panoramic shots; all these with unadjustable plastic lenses. Kent 
>> Peterson IIRC posted some wonderful photos this way, and even I managed 
>> some that were as good as most I take with my iPhone8. 
>>
>> On Wed, May 15, 2024 at 12:53 AM Keith P.  wrote:
>>
>>> “Bicycles” is a sport you can spend just about as much as you want to on 
>>> - so it stands to reason that so many of you seem to be enamored with the 
>>> “money-pit” hobby of photography as well.
>>>
>>> All of us have our phone cameras with us on bike rides, but do you have 
>>> a secondary carry? How do you like it? Is this enough of a Rivendell 
>>> related topic to merit being on here? Perhaps as long as we post photos of 
>>> us taking photos, whilst *on* our bikes.
>>>
>>> Either way, I appreciated everyone’s responses on the hijacked *Springtime 
>>> Photos *thread enough to compile some images:
>>>
>>> [image: Bracaglia-OlympusXA-04.jpeg]
>>>
>>> Keith Paugh - Olympus XA
>>>
>>> I recently picked up this little gem. It fits perfectly in the back 
>>> pocket of a jersey. Maybe not the sharpest camera out there, but I’m not 
>>> the sharpest photographer either. 
>>>
>>> [image: Olympuszoom80_CuteCameraCo_Front_1400x.jpeg]
>>>
>>> Ian M. - Olympus Stylus Epic
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Sam Hillbornes Go Live Tomorrow

[Ted Durant]

> On May 15, 2024, at 1:42 PM, Doug H.  wrote:
> 
> We are almost to 3:00 PM PST. Who is watching the clock and ready to buy a 
> Sam Hillborne?

This almost has the feel of a Bring A Trailer auction ….

Ted Durant
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Re: [RBW] Re: Sam Hillbornes Go Live Tomorrow

[Doug H.]

We are almost to 3:00 PM PST. Who is watching the clock and ready to buy a 
Sam Hillborne?
Doug

On Wednesday, May 15, 2024 at 1:57:45 PM UTC-4 Curtis wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Sell the Homer and get a green Sam.  If you are even considering selling 
> the Homer, then that is the way to go.  Avoid future disappointment and 
> regret by getting the green Sam.
>
> One person's opion.
>
> Peace,  Curtis 
>
> On Wed, May 15, 2024, 10:49 AM Donzaemon  wrote:
>
>> I’m contemplating pulling the trigger on a Sam now that they’re available 
>> again. It was my first choice among Rivendell’s current lineup due to its 
>> all-rounder quality and its ability to take v-brakes, which I prefer over 
>> side-pulls and center pulls. Sadly, they weren’t available when I was in 
>> the market late last fall so rather than waiting six months for the next 
>> batch, I went with a Homer. 
>>
>> My first build on the Homer was with Billie bars, which provided a lot of 
>> comfort for the leisurely rides I like to take. The ride quality, in 
>> general, was very controlled and stable. However, the handling felt 
>> somewhat awkward for me while turning and on climbs when I’d have to get 
>> off the saddle. The reach was too short and I think the bars had too much 
>> back sweep. Rather than explore another upright bar, I began to wonder if 
>> drop bars would serve me better. One thing I noticed was that the tip tube 
>> was longish so if I were to switch to drops, I’d need a shorter stem (I was 
>> using a 110mm faceplater). I’ve since switched to drop bars (with 60mm 
>> stem) and after a brief stint with Simworks Wild Honey bars, I think I’ve 
>> settled on Ritchey Venturemax Classics.
>>
>> Now that the Sams are available again, I’m starting to wonder if I should 
>> sell the Homer and get one in green. I love the mustard color on my Homer, 
>> but I like green even more. When comparing geometries, I noticed that the 
>> chainstays are 2” shorter, but the top tube is 1” longer on the Sam. I felt 
>> the top tube on the Homer was long enough so maybe the longer Sam TT might 
>> be too long? 
>>
>> Should I rein in my wandering eye and stick with my Homer?
>>
>> On Tuesday, May 14, 2024 at 6:09:21 AM UTC-7 Doug H. wrote:
>>
>>> I like the colors coming this go-round. The Sam seems like the perfect 
>>> all-rounder and I would get one had I not just bought a Roadini. Who's 
>>> planning to get a Sam Hillborne?
>>> Doug
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Re: [RBW] TPU inner tubes - Anyone using them?

[Harry Travis]

It had never occurred to me that in a pinch - pun- I might ever try to stuff part of a longer tube back into itself, while barely inflated,   in order to shorten it before inflating it within a tire.--Harry P TravisPortland Oregon USA 17.4.1On May 15, 2024, at 10:02 AM, Patrick Moore  wrote:I'd like to try latex tubes (hell, I'd like to try TPUs if they had a better reputation) but latex tubes aren't made in 559" wheel sizes.Has anyone tried and had success with installing appropriately wide latex tubes in smaller diameter wheels by folding the tube to fit? Results?



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Re: [RBW] Re: Sam Hillbornes Go Live Tomorrow

[Curtis McKenzie]

Hi,

Sell the Homer and get a green Sam.  If you are even considering selling
the Homer, then that is the way to go.  Avoid future disappointment and
regret by getting the green Sam.

One person's opion.

Peace,  Curtis

On Wed, May 15, 2024, 10:49 AM Donzaemon  wrote:

> I’m contemplating pulling the trigger on a Sam now that they’re available
> again. It was my first choice among Rivendell’s current lineup due to its
> all-rounder quality and its ability to take v-brakes, which I prefer over
> side-pulls and center pulls. Sadly, they weren’t available when I was in
> the market late last fall so rather than waiting six months for the next
> batch, I went with a Homer.
>
> My first build on the Homer was with Billie bars, which provided a lot of
> comfort for the leisurely rides I like to take. The ride quality, in
> general, was very controlled and stable. However, the handling felt
> somewhat awkward for me while turning and on climbs when I’d have to get
> off the saddle. The reach was too short and I think the bars had too much
> back sweep. Rather than explore another upright bar, I began to wonder if
> drop bars would serve me better. One thing I noticed was that the tip tube
> was longish so if I were to switch to drops, I’d need a shorter stem (I was
> using a 110mm faceplater). I’ve since switched to drop bars (with 60mm
> stem) and after a brief stint with Simworks Wild Honey bars, I think I’ve
> settled on Ritchey Venturemax Classics.
>
> Now that the Sams are available again, I’m starting to wonder if I should
> sell the Homer and get one in green. I love the mustard color on my Homer,
> but I like green even more. When comparing geometries, I noticed that the
> chainstays are 2” shorter, but the top tube is 1” longer on the Sam. I felt
> the top tube on the Homer was long enough so maybe the longer Sam TT might
> be too long?
>
> Should I rein in my wandering eye and stick with my Homer?
>
> On Tuesday, May 14, 2024 at 6:09:21 AM UTC-7 Doug H. wrote:
>
>> I like the colors coming this go-round. The Sam seems like the perfect
>> all-rounder and I would get one had I not just bought a Roadini. Who's
>> planning to get a Sam Hillborne?
>> Doug
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Re: [RBW] Cameras On Bikes

[Bones]

I typically leave my phone home when I go out for rides, unless I’m 
commuting to work. GR IIIx works well for me. It fits easily into a loosely 
cinched stem bag, where I can grab it whenever I want. I shoot exclusively 
in snap focus mode on this camera. Quick and easy. Occasionally I even take 
nice pictures.

Bones

On Wednesday, May 15, 2024 at 12:27:54 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:

> I enjoy the sometimes very good quality (composition as well as 
> reproductive quality) of the photos shared on this list, so all you good 
> photographers please buy better cameras.
>
> Me, I'd like to learn how to take distance shots with an old iPhone, tho' 
> very possibly it's not possible. I tried to take a wide shot of Canada 
> geese and white (crested?) herons and various other wildfowl yesterday at a 
> nearby nature open space but the results were so poor that I had to discard 
> them. [I don't want an additional apparatus of a dedicated camera.]
>
> I remember there was an iBoblist fad back in the early aughts, before this 
> list existed, of taking bike ride photos with those very primitive and very 
> cheap early-Chinese manufacturing stick cameras that you could pick up for 
> $4 or even as free giveaways everywhere, then uploading them via some file 
> management system using a software with very primitive user interface. I 
> was surprised at the quality of some of these photos, including distance 
> and even panoramic shots; all these with unadjustable plastic lenses. Kent 
> Peterson IIRC posted some wonderful photos this way, and even I managed 
> some that were as good as most I take with my iPhone8. 
>
> On Wed, May 15, 2024 at 12:53 AM Keith P.  wrote:
>
>> “Bicycles” is a sport you can spend just about as much as you want to on 
>> - so it stands to reason that so many of you seem to be enamored with the 
>> “money-pit” hobby of photography as well.
>>
>> All of us have our phone cameras with us on bike rides, but do you have a 
>> secondary carry? How do you like it? Is this enough of a Rivendell related 
>> topic to merit being on here? Perhaps as long as we post photos of us 
>> taking photos, whilst *on* our bikes.
>>
>> Either way, I appreciated everyone’s responses on the hijacked *Springtime 
>> Photos *thread enough to compile some images:
>>
>> [image: Bracaglia-OlympusXA-04.jpeg]
>>
>> Keith Paugh - Olympus XA
>>
>> I recently picked up this little gem. It fits perfectly in the back 
>> pocket of a jersey. Maybe not the sharpest camera out there, but I’m not 
>> the sharpest photographer either. 
>>
>> [image: Olympuszoom80_CuteCameraCo_Front_1400x.jpeg]
>>
>> Ian M. - Olympus Stylus Epic
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[RBW] Re: Sam Hillbornes Go Live Tomorrow

[Donzaemon]

I’m contemplating pulling the trigger on a Sam now that they’re available 
again. It was my first choice among Rivendell’s current lineup due to its 
all-rounder quality and its ability to take v-brakes, which I prefer over 
side-pulls and center pulls. Sadly, they weren’t available when I was in 
the market late last fall so rather than waiting six months for the next 
batch, I went with a Homer. 

My first build on the Homer was with Billie bars, which provided a lot of 
comfort for the leisurely rides I like to take. The ride quality, in 
general, was very controlled and stable. However, the handling felt 
somewhat awkward for me while turning and on climbs when I’d have to get 
off the saddle. The reach was too short and I think the bars had too much 
back sweep. Rather than explore another upright bar, I began to wonder if 
drop bars would serve me better. One thing I noticed was that the tip tube 
was longish so if I were to switch to drops, I’d need a shorter stem (I was 
using a 110mm faceplater). I’ve since switched to drop bars (with 60mm 
stem) and after a brief stint with Simworks Wild Honey bars, I think I’ve 
settled on Ritchey Venturemax Classics.

Now that the Sams are available again, I’m starting to wonder if I should 
sell the Homer and get one in green. I love the mustard color on my Homer, 
but I like green even more. When comparing geometries, I noticed that the 
chainstays are 2” shorter, but the top tube is 1” longer on the Sam. I felt 
the top tube on the Homer was long enough so maybe the longer Sam TT might 
be too long? 

Should I rein in my wandering eye and stick with my Homer?

On Tuesday, May 14, 2024 at 6:09:21 AM UTC-7 Doug H. wrote:

> I like the colors coming this go-round. The Sam seems like the perfect 
> all-rounder and I would get one had I not just bought a Roadini. Who's 
> planning to get a Sam Hillborne?
> Doug
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Re: [RBW] Northern Hemisphere Spring 2024 Photos

[John Bokman]

Ted, I am sure you've posted it before, but I'd love to see a picture of 
your Waterford. The ST-22 was one bike I always wanted to acquire, even 
though I now have a Sam.

John

On Wednesday, May 15, 2024 at 8:22:48 AM UTC-7 Ted Durant wrote:

>
> On May 15, 2024, at 10:04 AM, jamin orrall  wrote:
>
> Keith, John, thank you for the compliments. Yes it is a custom color, I 
> can't take credit for it! It was formerly owned by another member of this 
> list named James, he had it repainted at Waterford (where the frame was 
> made).  I believe it is a 2014 model.  I love how it looks in the sun. 
>  Always loved Jimmy Carters riv! 
>
>
> It’s Waterford’s Copper Metallic. I had them paint my Bleriot with it. I 
> referred to it as root beer with a creamy head. Possibly my favorite bike 
> colorway ever. And, yes, it is mesmerizing in sunlight.
>
>
> Ted Durant
> Milwaukee, WI USA
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[RBW] Re: FS 48 Sam Hillborne $3000 OBO plus shipping

[Jonathan D.]

BUMP with price reduction and a couple new photos. $2600 plus shipping. 

Standover is 28.5 inches. This is as small as I think Riv's are made.

On Monday, May 13, 2024 at 3:06:15 PM UTC-7 Jonathan D. wrote:

> I am selling for my ex-wife a 48 mm Sam Hillborne. I purchased the frame 
> and built it up at a local shop. The bike has hardly been ridden since It 
> was built up. I am happy to share details and take any additional photos. I 
> plan to keep the rack and can include the basket if it fits in the box. 
> Rich built wheels and dynamo hub but don't currently have a light on it. I 
> can see if I have one to include. Bike is in PDX.
>
> https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B0Z5aVbMKvfjLe
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Re: [RBW] TPU inner tubes - Anyone using them?

[Patrick Moore]

I'd like to try latex tubes (hell, I'd like to try TPUs if they had a
better reputation) but latex tubes aren't made in 559" wheel sizes.

Has anyone tried and had success with installing appropriately wide latex
tubes in smaller diameter wheels by folding the tube to fit? Results?

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Re: [RBW] Re: My Rivendell Platypus - A Forever Bike Build

[Patrick Moore]

As Mathias, I too have no particular interest in step-throughs -- I've
owned a number of them: mixtes, drop-frame Raleigh Sportses and clones --
and if I ever buy another one it will be a Clem to build up as a
ride-around beater and not for the drop frame; but yes, that Platypus is
very well coordinated and set up. Kudos.

On Tue, May 14, 2024 at 8:57 PM Mathias Steiner 
wrote:

> I'm a little mystified by the whole step-through thing, so a Platypus
> isn't high on my personal list.
>
> But THAT is a great build. You can tell a lot of thought and a lot of love
> went into it. Beautiful.
>
> On Tuesday, May 14, 2024 at 9:43:28 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!
> wrote:
>
>>
>> Aren’t the Platys the best? I’m so excited for you to have this beauty
>> and have it forever. I loved this model so much I ended up with a trio of
>> them. I regret nothing. My purple Gravel & Travel Platy is being built up
>> with rainbow and oil slick parts right now, and I’m anxious to see it. It
>> won’t be classy like your regal purple Platy, though.
>>
>> Are you going to change to v brakes? How do you like the Silver Shifters?
>> I got those, too, and it will be my first bike with them.
>>
>> I look forward to hearing more about your adventures on this new bike and
>> especially at the LA Invitational Ride! This bike can do almost anything.
>> 10,000 feet of climbing. Pssshhahhh. No problem.
>> Leah
>> On Tuesday, May 14, 2024 at 8:07:12 PM UTC-4 kiziria...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> One more little clip of me testing the off-road capabilities. Riding a
>>> narrower saddle to be able to get my thighs behind it would improve steep,
>>> technical descents quite a lot. All in all I do NOT miss descending
>>> rough-ish dirt roads with a rigid bike. I hope it encounter them with
>>> little frequency.
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/rw4lpolns8s6x6cyzg07w/IMG_9041.MOV?rlkey=608dbcfa4tx3nxvu36wthlm8a=0
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, May 14, 2024 at 4:58:59 PM UTC-7 Armand Kizirian wrote:
>>>
 This last weekend I took it on a mixed terrain ride, about 35 miles
 with over 3500ft of climbing. I was shocked with how well it handled the
 route. The lack of friction in the system as a whole, from the white
 industries hubs, to dura ace bottom bracket, to rene herse extralight
 tires, made my drop-bar bike feel neglected and abused, that is to say,
 this bike feels like butter. This sensation was amplified by swapping in
 SPD pedals for the first time and feeling “connected.” The forward position
 of the Ortho bars are fantastic for out of the saddle climbing leverage, or
 on the saddle technical climbing on singletrack, elbows flared down. With
 48mm slicks aired a bit down, the long chainstays allowed me to have enough
 traction to only have to walk one segment. I can’t wait to try it with the
 Rene Herse knobby equivalent. The ability to tap into a restorative
 position (aka the default riding position) made the entire route so utterly
 comfortable, without a hint of a back or neck ache developing. Not
 something I would be able to say on my drop-bar bike, which has bars levels
 with the saddle mind you.

 [image: IMG_3348.JPG]

 There is so much to write about, I will let you ask any questions you
 have. Look for a ride report after this weekend, where I will strip the
 racks off and ride 60+ miles with 10,000ft of climbing with this at the LA
 Invitational ride.


 On Tuesday, May 14, 2024 at 4:56:44 PM UTC-7 Armand Kizirian wrote:

> The complete build list is as follows. *View all photos here.
> 
> *
>
> Cockpit features a Nitto 135mm Faceplater Stem with Rons Ortho Bars,
> Brooks leather ergon grips with Simworks purple bar ends, Rivendell S2
> friction shifters, with harlequin style newbuams purple/yellow wrap with
> clear shellac, and a stem-mounted spurcycle bell. S83 seatpost with Brooks
> B17 titanium. NOS Dura-Ace headset.
>
> [image: IMG_3282.JPG]
>
> Brakes feature Paul Canti Levers with Touring Canti’s, Moon units, and
> Hunter cycles Nugz for extra cable adjustment. Rene herse and nitto cable
> hangars. Yokozuna reaction compressionless housing. All capped off with
> Forager cycles cable cherries. Kool stop brake pads with the grey e-bike
> pad compound. This was my final hurrah to test the ultimate canti-lever
> brake setup and deem its worthiness as a brake. It has not passed by test.
> Riv recommends v-brakes for several valid reasons.
>
> Custom wheelset featuring White Industries MI5 hubs laced to Velocity
> Quill rims with Sapim spokes and brass nipples, 32h front, 36h rear, all
> polished. Rene Herse Tires, 48mm Hatcher Pass and Oracle Ridge. I will
> likely keep an endurance casing Oracle ridge as a final 

[RBW] WTB single Nitto rack strut

[Tim Bantham]

Looking for a single Nitto rack strut a minimum of 28 centimeters. Does 
anyone have one in the depths of your parts bin that you would be willing 
to mail to me. All I need is one for my newly acquired R10. 

Thanks! 

Tim

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[RBW] Re: My Rivendell Platypus - A Forever Bike Build

[Tim Bantham]

This is just a lovely build. I too have a Platypus and love it! I took it 
on a club gravel ride and had quite a few curious looks but had not 
difficulty keeping up with the group. I just added an R-14 rear rack on 
mine and plan to updgrade to Paul Motolites as I get around to it. This is 
a great bike. 

On Wednesday, May 15, 2024 at 9:38:44 AM UTC-4 Steve wrote:

> Armand, welcome to the Cult of the Platypus.   You've built a stellar 
> example! 
>
> I'm running the same hubs and rims on my mermaid Platypus, though with 
> 42mm RH slicks under 58mm fenders  I went  I'm of the opinion that 
> there is some kind of magic happening with the design of the Platypus - it 
> never fails to impress me. 
>
> About those cantilevers - I went with Deore V-brakes mostly to pinch a few 
> pennies. Yes, they definitely set up easily and perform well - but to my 
> eyes they lack the elegance of a well executed cantilever. I say don't give 
> up on them. 
>
> Steve 
>
> On Tuesday, May 14, 2024 at 7:51:38 PM UTC-4 Armand Kizirian wrote:
>
>> Greetings fellow Rivendell Lovers!
>>
>> I’m happy to introduce to you my very first Rivendell, an Ana Purple 
>> Platypus built up as my forever bike (#3). As someone who worked in bike 
>> shops growing up with a current background as a designer and engineer, I 
>> went all out with designing the optimal riding experience, crafting a 
>> versatile bicycle intended to be ridden every day, and most importantly, to 
>> be loved for life.
>>
>> [image: IMG_3263.JPG]
>>
>> I’ve never done a full “balleur” build before, and had a few intentions 
>> in mind with this. Make it as lightweight as possible with zero 
>> compromises. Embrace the Rivendell ethos of simplicity in the mechanical 
>> components. See how versatile an upright bicycle can be not just for 
>> commuting, but both supreme pleasure rides and also longer, more demanding 
>> routes. Make it timeless, gorgeous, and utterly practical. 
>>
>> So far I have been pleasantly surprised. I’ve ridden it every day as my 
>> primary vehicle since completion. Most look at the swoopy “cruiser” (as 
>> many call it) handlebars and assume it is a pretty pleasure bike for brief, 
>> simple rides. I explain to them the vibe is moreso *performance 
>> Cadillac,* where rides from 20-30+ miles are done with ease and comfort. 
>> The combination of the upright position, long chainstays, slightly slacker 
>> headtube, luxurious touch points, and made in USA/japan mechanical 
>> components result in a riding experience that can be playful, relaxed, 
>> spirited, or *fast* all with a shift of a mindset and handlebar 
>> position. I LOVE the contrast of performance with comfort, particularly as 
>> a stronger rider. It is a delightful combination that is rare and 
>> overlooked, as most upright bicycles feature low-end components or 
>> compromised geometry.
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Northern Hemisphere Spring 2024 Photos

[Ted Durant]

> On May 15, 2024, at 10:04 AM, jamin orrall  wrote:
> 
> Keith, John, thank you for the compliments. Yes it is a custom color, I can't 
> take credit for it! It was formerly owned by another member of this list 
> named James, he had it repainted at Waterford (where the frame was made).  I 
> believe it is a 2014 model.  I love how it looks in the sun.  Always loved 
> Jimmy Carters riv! 
> 

It’s Waterford’s Copper Metallic. I had them paint my Bleriot with it. I 
referred to it as root beer with a creamy head. Possibly my favorite bike 
colorway ever. And, yes, it is mesmerizing in sunlight.


Ted Durant
Milwaukee, WI USA

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Re: [RBW] Cameras On Bikes

[jamin orrall]

Yes I have been using the Olympus C-7070 for color photos, though mine is a 
lot more compact than that one (no battery grip) and it was not 100 
dollars! 

I use a flip phone so a dedicated camera is essential if I want to take 
photos.  It actually takes great pictures, shoots fully manual and in raw. 
 It's hard to say why I am so drawn to it, I like the shape, it feels very 
rugged and the lens is actually really nice.  The colors are nicer to me 
than some new digital cameras, and it's not overly sharp.  

All that said I shoot about a roll every two weeks of black and white film. 
 I roll my own canisters and process/scan at home.  No printing right now 
because I don't have a darkroom.  I shoot with a leica m4 or nikon f2 
mostly but on the bike I often take an Olympus XA2.

On Wednesday, May 15, 2024 at 8:02:14 AM UTC-7 Robert Tilley wrote:

> My favorite camera to carry on the bike is the Sony RX100. It takes great 
> photos and is pretty compact. I have also found it to be very reliable and 
> has handled lots of travel without failing.
>
> These days I am liking to mount my Insta360 X3/X4 on my bike. It’s a 360 
> camera so you can shoot now and then pick your framing later. I am really 
> liking using these cameras due to the unique perspectives you can achieve. 
> Mounted correctly the software will eliminate the camera mount from the 
> photo/video.
>
> Robert Tilley
> San Diego, CA
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On May 14, 2024, at 11:53 PM, Keith P.  wrote:
>
>  
>
> “Bicycles” is a sport you can spend just about as much as you want to on - 
> so it stands to reason that so many of you seem to be enamored with the 
> “money-pit” hobby of photography as well.
>
> All of us have our phone cameras with us on bike rides, but do you have a 
> secondary carry? How do you like it? Is this enough of a Rivendell related 
> topic to merit being on here? Perhaps as long as we post photos of us 
> taking photos, whilst *on* our bikes.
>
> Either way, I appreciated everyone’s responses on the hijacked *Springtime 
> Photos *thread enough to compile some images:
>
> 
>
> Keith Paugh - Olympus XA
>
> I recently picked up this little gem. It fits perfectly in the back pocket 
> of a jersey. Maybe not the sharpest camera out there, but I’m not the 
> sharpest photographer either. 
>
> 
>
> Ian M. - Olympus Stylus Epic
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Re: [RBW] Northern Hemisphere Spring 2024 Photos

[jamin orrall]

Keith, John, thank you for the compliments. Yes it is a custom color, I 
can't take credit for it! It was formerly owned by another member of this 
list named James, he had it repainted at Waterford (where the frame was 
made).  I believe it is a 2014 model.  I love how it looks in the sun. 
 Always loved Jimmy Carters riv! 


On Tuesday, May 14, 2024 at 9:53:12 PM UTC-7 Jason Fuller wrote:

> I figured I better get some photos of the Hillborne with the relatively 
> fresh tan walls before a wet ride ruins 'em. Featuring lupines and 
> laburnum. 
>
> [image: PXL_20240514_010538024.jpg]
> [image: PXL_20240514_010927790.jpg]
>
> Funny how I've gone through countless iterations on this bike, but the way 
> it's set up today is nearly identical to how I had it set up 6 months after 
> I got it. It's where it should be. 
>
> On Tue, May 14, 2024 at 9:21 PM Keith Paugh  wrote:
>
>> Oh man.
>>
>> That is a stunning bike Jamin.
>>
>> I have heard tell of Atlantis in colors like this.
>> Did you have it painted?
>>
>> Reminds me of the one Jimmy Carter rides:
>>
>> [image: image5.jpeg]
>>
>> [image: image6.jpeg]
>>
>> I like the look of that ham and cheese croissant as well.
>>
>> k.
>>
>> On May 14, 2024, at 8:37 PM, John Rinker  wrote:
>>
>> Beautiful photos, Jamin! What a gorgeous ride that must have been. Wow! 
>> And the color of your Atlantis is stunning. Beautiful bicycle.
>>
>> Cheers, John
>>
>> On Tuesday, May 14, 2024 at 8:29:17 PM UTC-7 jamin orrall wrote:
>>
>>> *photos taken on an ancient 7 megapixel Olympus C-7070, fun camera! 
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, May 14, 2024 at 8:27:24 PM UTC-7 jamin orrall wrote:
>>>
 Nice ride through the redwoods this morning in Arcata, CA

 [image: bike ride -8 Large.jpeg]
 [image: bike ride -6 Large.jpeg][image: bike ride -7 Large.jpeg]
 [image: bike ride -9 Large.jpeg]



 On Tuesday, May 14, 2024 at 5:19:43 PM UTC-7 Andy Williams wrote:

> [image: IMG_2171.jpeg]
>
> A good spring day at the office.
>
>
> Andy W. 
> Seattle
> On Monday, May 13, 2024 at 6:48:41 PM UTC-7 Ted Durant wrote:
>
>>
>> On May 13, 2024, at 7:30 PM, Eric Marth  wrote:
>>
>> An early racing green Rivendell, is this a Long Low? It's wearing 
>> 26x1.8" Naches Pass tires. 
>>
>>
>> Looks like an All Rounder to me.
>>
>> On the camera topic … most of my pictures are from my iPhone SEv2.  
>> My recent photos of my blue Waterford ST-22 were taken with an Olympus 
>> OM-D 
>> E-5mkII with a Panasonic/Leica 20mm/f1.7 lens. Given than I usually have 
>> a 
>> handlebar bag, I really should just carry that camera all the time. It’s 
>> quite light and compact, and the 20mm lens is a gem. I have a fleece bag 
>> that it fits in, protecting it from bumps and scratches. I’ve thought 
>> about 
>> getting an Olympus PEN E body, which would be even more compact, but it 
>> hasn’t seemed worth it.
>>
>> Ted Durant
>> Milwaukee WI USA
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Re: [RBW] Cameras On Bikes

[rltilley]

My favorite camera to carry on the bike is the Sony RX100. It takes great photos and is pretty compact. I have also found it to be very reliable and has handled lots of travel without failing.These days I am liking to mount my Insta360 X3/X4 on my bike. It’s a 360 camera so you can shoot now and then pick your framing later. I am really liking using these cameras due to the unique perspectives you can achieve. Mounted correctly the software will eliminate the camera mount from the photo/video.Robert TilleySan Diego, CASent from my iPhoneOn May 14, 2024, at 11:53 PM, Keith P.  wrote:





“Bicycles” is a sport you can spend just about as much as you want to on - so it stands to reason that so many of you seem to be enamored with the “money-pit” hobby of photography as well.
All of us have our phone cameras with us on bike rides, but do you have a secondary carry? How do you like it? Is this enough of a Rivendell related topic to merit being on here? Perhaps as long as we post photos of us taking photos, whilst on our bikes.
Either way, I appreciated everyone’s responses on the hijacked Springtime Photos thread enough to compile some images:

Keith Paugh - Olympus XA
I recently picked up this little gem. It fits perfectly in the back pocket of a jersey. Maybe not the sharpest camera out there, but I’m not the sharpest photographer either. 

Ian M. - Olympus Stylus Epic



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Re: [RBW] Cameras On Bikes

[David Hays]

Beautiful Leica 1A. Love the beausage.

> On May 15, 2024, at 2:59 AM, Keith P.  wrote:
> 
> <640x962x2.jpeg>
> 
> Eric Norris (cont.) - Lomo LCA120
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Leica IA
> 
> 
> On Tuesday, May 14, 2024 at 11:58:09 PM UTC-7 Keith P. wrote:
>> 
>> Eric Norris - Yashica T4
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Olympus XA4 
>> 
>> 
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[RBW] Brooks B68

[J S]

Anyone have a fairly new B68 you are looking to sell?

Thanks

Joel

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Re: [RBW] Re: Soma San Marcos

[Valerie Yates]

Oops- replied in the same thread. i thought changing the subject line would 
make it into a new one. Guess it doesn't actually matter. 

On Wednesday, May 15, 2024 at 8:07:38 AM UTC-6 Valerie Yates wrote:

> Following up from a different thread re offshoot discussion of the San 
> Marcos, the color changed between the 2013 Pearl Blue and 2015 Tiburon Blue 
> versions, when they also expanded the range using 650b wheels to include 
> the 54 and new 57 size.. Maybe the straight fork was retained on the 
>  larger 650b sizes? The 59 and 63 had a double top tube and take 700c 
> wheels. Mine is a 51 Tiburon Blue with 650b wheels. 
>  
> 2013: 
> https://www.somafab.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/san-marcos-flyer2.pdf
>
> 2015: https://www.somafab.com/archives/product/san-marcos-frame-set
>
> On Tuesday, May 14, 2024 at 9:11:47 PM UTC-6 eric.j...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I bought mine from a friend of a friend and I've done a bit of poking 
>> around on the history of the San Marcos but I still don't fully understand 
>> the evolution of the fork and color. 
>>
>> I used the Velo Orange band clamps for the third water bottle cage. It's 
>> been rock solid and handy having the option for one more bottle. 
>>
>>
>> On Tue, May 14, 2024 at 10:04 PM Valerie Yates  wrote:
>>
>>> Interesting! I thought the color determined which fork it had. I also 
>>> thought you were re-posting another pic of Gary's bike. Now, I understand 
>>> you were replying to his pic with one of your own. Did you use band clamps 
>>> to attach the third bottle holder?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, May 14, 2024 at 8:37:37 PM UTC-6 eric.j...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Agreed. It's a great bike. Just a joy to ride. I find mine to be very 
 steady and stable but there's nothing plodding about it. Here's mine in 
 what I believe is the same color as yours, but without the more elegant 
 fork.

 [image: PXL_20240421_165935710.jpg]

 On Tue, May 14, 2024 at 6:42 PM Valerie Yates  wrote:

> Gary -- I only saw the one, semi-sideways picture, which looks like it 
> is in the other blue color, which I thought came with the straighter 
> fork. 
> But the picture that Eric re-posted looks like the same color as mine yet 
> with a straighter fork. Do you have one in each color? Do both have the 
> straighter fork curve? Mine does not have a 3rd set of bottle bosses. Did 
> you rig yours as an add-on?
>
> Eric -- Here is mine. Such a great bike.  Light, nimble, and fluid yet 
> handles gravel, etc. without issue. I have no idea why this was not a 
> massive success. My sister-in-law has one too and so she keeps a saddle 
> in 
> my garage so she can borrow mine when she visits. Would love to see how 
> it 
> compares in geometry to the Roadini. 
> [image: PXL_20240514_231824905.jpg]
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, May 14, 2024 at 8:26:48 AM UTC-6 eric.j...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Looking good, Gary!
>>
>> On Mon, May 13, 2024 at 8:37 PM LBleriot  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> [image: IMG_0374.jpeg]
>>>
>>> On Monday, May 13, 2024 at 8:45:46 PM UTC-4 eric.j...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 San Marcos, you say? Let's see a photo of that one, if you don't 
 mind. You don't see too many in the wild!

 On Fri, May 10, 2024 at 5:50 PM Valerie Yates  
 wrote:

> Brent! So glad you are happy with the Bleriot. That bike is silky 
> smooth. Entirely comparable to both my Roadeo and Soma San 
> Marcos. Which is why I was able to let it go. I am so glad it is 
> living its 
> best life. 
>
> Leah -  All of the above. If a used one turns up, buy it. If you 
> love it and want a lugged one, sell the used one. If a used one 
> doesn't 
> turn up, order a lugged one. If a used one turns up while your lugged 
> one 
> is pending, then it depends on price and timing.  
>
>
> On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 4:38:35 PM UTC-6 in...@brentknepper.com 
> wrote:
>
>> I'm another person whose been showing up to road bike group rides 
>> on a road-style Riv the last year or so and it's been a fun journey! 
>> I was 
>> lucky to buy Valerie's old Riv Bleriot on here and I maintain it as 
>> the 
>> befendered iteration of my two "fast" bikes- aka bikes with smooth 
>> tires 
>> and drop bars. it's nice having a dedicated fender bike for when a 
>> surprise 
>> midwest rain storm passes through 2 hours before a ride
>>
>> anyway I always show up in a t-shirt or hoodie and chaco sandals 
>> and my bars level with the leather saddle. While the RoadieBoys™ 
>> seem confused about socializing with someone whose appearance/bike 
>> doesn't 
>> meet 

Re: [RBW] Re: Atlantis 55 for sale

[deepak atreya]

Thanks Doug . I have a homer too for my road miles . I love the ride feel .
So homer like with v brakes for trails and new colors are tempting . I
hover around 165 -175 lbs , so probably Sam can do everything that Atlantis
would for me . When I got introduced to Riv ( I live very close to Riv HQ)
Sam was my first love but never got a chance to own it . If this sale
doesn’t come through I will still be very happy with my Atlantis .

On Wed, May 15, 2024 at 06:02 Doug H.  wrote:

> Nice Atlantis. What are you looking for in a Sam that the Atlantis doesn't
> provide? They are both great bikes.
> Doug
>
> On Wednesday, May 15, 2024 at 12:01:53 AM UTC-4 atreya...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Apologies everybody, didn't mean to spam. But the list let me attach only
>> one photo at time. Happy to send more photos  over email.
>>
>> On Tuesday, May 14, 2024 at 9:00:39 PM UTC-7 atreya...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> [image: IMG_0802.jpg]
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, May 14, 2024 at 8:59:48 PM UTC-7 atreya...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Soma San Marcos

[Valerie Yates]

Following up from a different thread re offshoot discussion of the San 
Marcos, the color changed between the 2013 Pearl Blue and 2015 Tiburon Blue 
versions, when they also expanded the range using 650b wheels to include 
the 54 and new 57 size.. Maybe the straight fork was retained on the 
 larger 650b sizes? The 59 and 63 had a double top tube and take 700c 
wheels. Mine is a 51 Tiburon Blue with 650b wheels. 
 
2013: https://www.somafab.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/san-marcos-flyer2.pdf

2015: https://www.somafab.com/archives/product/san-marcos-frame-set

On Tuesday, May 14, 2024 at 9:11:47 PM UTC-6 eric.j...@gmail.com wrote:

> I bought mine from a friend of a friend and I've done a bit of poking 
> around on the history of the San Marcos but I still don't fully understand 
> the evolution of the fork and color. 
>
> I used the Velo Orange band clamps for the third water bottle cage. It's 
> been rock solid and handy having the option for one more bottle. 
>
>
> On Tue, May 14, 2024 at 10:04 PM Valerie Yates  wrote:
>
>> Interesting! I thought the color determined which fork it had. I also 
>> thought you were re-posting another pic of Gary's bike. Now, I understand 
>> you were replying to his pic with one of your own. Did you use band clamps 
>> to attach the third bottle holder?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, May 14, 2024 at 8:37:37 PM UTC-6 eric.j...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Agreed. It's a great bike. Just a joy to ride. I find mine to be very 
>>> steady and stable but there's nothing plodding about it. Here's mine in 
>>> what I believe is the same color as yours, but without the more elegant 
>>> fork.
>>>
>>> [image: PXL_20240421_165935710.jpg]
>>>
>>> On Tue, May 14, 2024 at 6:42 PM Valerie Yates  wrote:
>>>
 Gary -- I only saw the one, semi-sideways picture, which looks like it 
 is in the other blue color, which I thought came with the straighter fork. 
 But the picture that Eric re-posted looks like the same color as mine yet 
 with a straighter fork. Do you have one in each color? Do both have the 
 straighter fork curve? Mine does not have a 3rd set of bottle bosses. Did 
 you rig yours as an add-on?

 Eric -- Here is mine. Such a great bike.  Light, nimble, and fluid yet 
 handles gravel, etc. without issue. I have no idea why this was not a 
 massive success. My sister-in-law has one too and so she keeps a saddle in 
 my garage so she can borrow mine when she visits. Would love to see how it 
 compares in geometry to the Roadini. 
 [image: PXL_20240514_231824905.jpg]



 On Tuesday, May 14, 2024 at 8:26:48 AM UTC-6 eric.j...@gmail.com wrote:

> Looking good, Gary!
>
> On Mon, May 13, 2024 at 8:37 PM LBleriot  wrote:
>
>> [image: IMG_0374.jpeg]
>>
>> On Monday, May 13, 2024 at 8:45:46 PM UTC-4 eric.j...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> San Marcos, you say? Let's see a photo of that one, if you don't 
>>> mind. You don't see too many in the wild!
>>>
>>> On Fri, May 10, 2024 at 5:50 PM Valerie Yates  
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Brent! So glad you are happy with the Bleriot. That bike is silky 
 smooth. Entirely comparable to both my Roadeo and Soma San Marcos. 
 Which is why I was able to let it go. I am so glad it is living its 
 best 
 life. 

 Leah -  All of the above. If a used one turns up, buy it. If you 
 love it and want a lugged one, sell the used one. If a used one 
 doesn't 
 turn up, order a lugged one. If a used one turns up while your lugged 
 one 
 is pending, then it depends on price and timing.  


 On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 4:38:35 PM UTC-6 in...@brentknepper.com 
 wrote:

> I'm another person whose been showing up to road bike group rides 
> on a road-style Riv the last year or so and it's been a fun journey! 
> I was 
> lucky to buy Valerie's old Riv Bleriot on here and I maintain it as 
> the 
> befendered iteration of my two "fast" bikes- aka bikes with smooth 
> tires 
> and drop bars. it's nice having a dedicated fender bike for when a 
> surprise 
> midwest rain storm passes through 2 hours before a ride
>
> anyway I always show up in a t-shirt or hoodie and chaco sandals 
> and my bars level with the leather saddle. While the RoadieBoys™ 
> seem confused about socializing with someone whose appearance/bike 
> doesn't 
> meet their expectations, the women and other folks always say how 
> beautiful 
> the Bleriot is, how the fenders are so smart in keeping my sandal'd 
> feet 
> clean while being helpful to whoever might be behind me, and how neat 
> it is 
> that I'm still fast "enough" to keep pace despite not having the 
> 

[RBW] Re: Sam Riders - help me pick the right size! 88 pbh

[Michael]

Thank you for the response! Thinking the 57 should work for me. Enjoy your 
Clem!

On Tuesday, May 14, 2024 at 8:42:51 PM UTC-4 Chris Halasz wrote:

> Michael
>
> If it helps, I had a 60cm (double top tube) Sam, and sold it because I 
> thought it was just a bit big *for my* 89cm pbh. While I regret selling 
> now, I know I'd have preferred the then optional 58cm Sam. 
>
> Now that I'm riding more off-road, and appreciate the clearance, I'd 
> likely go for the 57cm size (and am so tempted to, if I wasn't just 
> finishing building a Clem L). 
>
> The new Sams are so nice. Enjoy!
>
> - Chris 
>
> On Tuesday, May 14, 2024 at 10:28:30 AM UTC-7 Michael wrote:
>
>> New to Rivendell bikes and looking to snag a sam; will most likely use 
>> albastache or albatross bars, possibly road but not initially.  PBH is 88 
>> and im thinking size 57. What is your experience? 
>> Thank you! 
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: My Rivendell Platypus - A Forever Bike Build

[Steve]

Armand, welcome to the Cult of the Platypus.   You've built a stellar 
example! 

I'm running the same hubs and rims on my mermaid Platypus, though with 42mm 
RH slicks under 58mm fenders  I went  I'm of the opinion that there is 
some kind of magic happening with the design of the Platypus - it never 
fails to impress me. 

About those cantilevers - I went with Deore V-brakes mostly to pinch a few 
pennies. Yes, they definitely set up easily and perform well - but to my 
eyes they lack the elegance of a well executed cantilever. I say don't give 
up on them. 

Steve 

On Tuesday, May 14, 2024 at 7:51:38 PM UTC-4 Armand Kizirian wrote:

> Greetings fellow Rivendell Lovers!
>
> I’m happy to introduce to you my very first Rivendell, an Ana Purple 
> Platypus built up as my forever bike (#3). As someone who worked in bike 
> shops growing up with a current background as a designer and engineer, I 
> went all out with designing the optimal riding experience, crafting a 
> versatile bicycle intended to be ridden every day, and most importantly, to 
> be loved for life.
>
> [image: IMG_3263.JPG]
>
> I’ve never done a full “balleur” build before, and had a few intentions in 
> mind with this. Make it as lightweight as possible with zero compromises. 
> Embrace the Rivendell ethos of simplicity in the mechanical components. See 
> how versatile an upright bicycle can be not just for commuting, but both 
> supreme pleasure rides and also longer, more demanding routes. Make it 
> timeless, gorgeous, and utterly practical. 
>
> So far I have been pleasantly surprised. I’ve ridden it every day as my 
> primary vehicle since completion. Most look at the swoopy “cruiser” (as 
> many call it) handlebars and assume it is a pretty pleasure bike for brief, 
> simple rides. I explain to them the vibe is moreso *performance Cadillac,* 
> where rides from 20-30+ miles are done with ease and comfort. The 
> combination of the upright position, long chainstays, slightly slacker 
> headtube, luxurious touch points, and made in USA/japan mechanical 
> components result in a riding experience that can be playful, relaxed, 
> spirited, or *fast* all with a shift of a mindset and handlebar position. 
> I LOVE the contrast of performance with comfort, particularly as a stronger 
> rider. It is a delightful combination that is rare and overlooked, as most 
> upright bicycles feature low-end components or compromised geometry.
>
>

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RE: [RBW] TPU inner tubes - Anyone using them?

[Bernard Duhon]

I had a series 3 flats in a short time with Tubolito.  I almost never flat.
Company replaced 2 promptly
I can’t blame the tube for 1 of those flats as I picked  up a rock puncture.
Also experienced valve leak that was fixed with Loctite.

Bought a patch kit to fix 2 tubes neither patches held.

$100.00 worth of tubes in the trash.

I am staying with latex for “unloaded” riding & butyl for loaded 
touring/groceries etc. .

Bernard


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Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2024 3:09 AM
To: RBW Owners Bunch 
Subject: Re: [RBW] TPU inner tubes - Anyone using them?

T
On Wednesday, May 15, 2024 at 1:08:28 AM UTC-4 
travis...@gmail.com wrote:
When I wrote that the sizes and weights explained the appeal to "oldez", I was 
referring to riders like myself trained by the bicycle press from adolescence 
to stop and look -- and even spend, again -- to save some grams.

Chis Fly might also have been thinking of the experience of riders saving less 
weight than was the promise of "CO2 cartridges will replace pumps", what with 
the backup cartridges in case of failure to dispense correctly or the  
insufficiency of just one, or two.

The expected maximum benefit for all the risks of disappointment in TPU tubes 
is estimated in tests with measurement repeatability of  +- 0.3 watts, on the 
order of 2 watts per tire @50psi compared to a thin butyl tube.  Expected 
benefit compared to the lightweight butyl tube may be no more than 1 watt per 
tire , about the energy loss of a tube rubbing inside your tire. (Latex tubes 
are grippy.)

(I apologize that the rightmost original column with average energy losses in 3 
fast 25mm tires @ 60psi would not fit in a screen shot. The lower the pressure, 
the greater the expression of between-tube differences.)


[https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch/attach/30e76badecf96/image0.png?part=0.0.1=1]



- --
Harry P Travis
Portland, OR USA
17.4.1


On May 14, 2024, at 6:03 PM, Chris Fly  wrote:

light weight and a small footprint is all well and good until you are on the 
side of the road, tired and blow through your tubes trying to get your tire 
seated back on the rim.. these seem way too fragile for me to worry about the 
weight difference.. and I'm sorry, but I just can't see the difference between 
a good latex and a TPU making that much difference when riding.. I get the 
numbers will say the TPU spins up xx% faster from a stop, etc. but I don't buy 
that it will make much of a real world difference.. and, as I said prior, I 
don't even use a latex tube as a spare based on how you can bung those up as 
well on the side of the road..

ride what you want to ride for sure, but don't try and sell me on the 
advantages of saving 50g (100g for a set) when the total system weight for me 
is around 235 lbs.. especially if it sacrifices reliability, which it seems to 
do in this case..

Chris

On Tue, May 14, 2024 at 5:43 PM Harry Travis  wrote:
A pic to remind of best reason - WL mentioned it early- why these have even 
oldez wanna spend.

these are all tube for nominal 25mm tires.   including one 80g latex tube  and 
three butyl tubes for nominal and indeed small 25mm tires.

Lightest TPU tubes weighed 20-25g.


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17.4.1


On May 14, 2024, at 4:28 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:

Sheesh; sorry for the bad experiences and, again -- don't hate me for this -- 
thanks for being the bad-news guinea pig.

Let us know if you ever rustle up Rene Herse customer service for refunds or 
replacements.

I use Schwalbe extra light butyls with Orange Seal regular formula in road 
tires (30 to 60 psi, 559 X 42 and 559 X 28, slightly lower psi in front than 
rear) and I am very happy to report that this works well. I guess I'll continue 
to be happy with this arrangement for a while longer.

Everybody: If you experiment with TPUs, please keep the list informed. Thanks.

Patrick Moore, who would love to swap 70 gram / 100 gram butyls for 35 gram, 
faster-rolling TPUs with compatible sealant proven against goatheads, in ABQ, 
NM.

On Tue, May 14, 2024 at 5:19 PM Ted Durant  wrote:
Another update. Found my Riv Road (622x32) had an almost flat front tire this 
afternoon. Pulled the tube and found no holes but a very slow leak from the 
valve stem. Using my fingers to grip the stem, I was able to back off the core 
then re-tighten it. The leak was worse. So, I gripped the valve with pliers and 
again re-tightened the core. As I worried would happen, when I went to 
reinflate the tube to check for a leak, the tube had broken at the base of the 
stem. That tire is now inflated by old reliable Schwalbe no 16. Out of the six 
tubes I bought in that size, I'm down to three usable. I like having 
removable/replaceable cores, but they're kind of silly on tubes that have such 
a fragile connection to the valve.

The repair I made yesterday (Waterford ST-22, 622x32, rear wheel) didn't work. 
I pulled the tube again and 

[RBW] Re: My Rivendell Platypus - A Forever Bike Build

[Steve]

Armand, welcome to the Cult of the Platypus.   You've built a stellar 
example! 

I'm running the same hubs and rims on my mermaid Platypus, though with 42mm 
RH slicks under 58mm fenders  I went  I'm of the opinion that there is 
some kind of magic happening with the design of the Platypus - it never 
fails to impress me. 

About those cantilevers - I went with Deore V-brakes mostly to pinch a few 
pennies. Yes, they definitely set up easily and perform well - but to my 
eyes they lack the elegance of a well executed cantilever. I say don't give 
up on them. It may just be the perspective, but judging from your pics you 
might try shortening the straddle cables a bit so that when the pads are in 
contact with the rim a line drawn from the base of the canti where it 
pivots to the top where the straddle is anchored, and then to the apex of 
the straddle cable approximates a 90 degree angle. 

Steve 
On Tuesday, May 14, 2024 at 7:51:38 PM UTC-4 Armand Kizirian wrote:

> Greetings fellow Rivendell Lovers!
>
> I’m happy to introduce to you my very first Rivendell, an Ana Purple 
> Platypus built up as my forever bike (#3). As someone who worked in bike 
> shops growing up with a current background as a designer and engineer, I 
> went all out with designing the optimal riding experience, crafting a 
> versatile bicycle intended to be ridden every day, and most importantly, to 
> be loved for life.
>
> [image: IMG_3263.JPG]
>
> I’ve never done a full “balleur” build before, and had a few intentions in 
> mind with this. Make it as lightweight as possible with zero compromises. 
> Embrace the Rivendell ethos of simplicity in the mechanical components. See 
> how versatile an upright bicycle can be not just for commuting, but both 
> supreme pleasure rides and also longer, more demanding routes. Make it 
> timeless, gorgeous, and utterly practical. 
>
> So far I have been pleasantly surprised. I’ve ridden it every day as my 
> primary vehicle since completion. Most look at the swoopy “cruiser” (as 
> many call it) handlebars and assume it is a pretty pleasure bike for brief, 
> simple rides. I explain to them the vibe is moreso *performance Cadillac,* 
> where rides from 20-30+ miles are done with ease and comfort. The 
> combination of the upright position, long chainstays, slightly slacker 
> headtube, luxurious touch points, and made in USA/japan mechanical 
> components result in a riding experience that can be playful, relaxed, 
> spirited, or *fast* all with a shift of a mindset and handlebar position. 
> I LOVE the contrast of performance with comfort, particularly as a stronger 
> rider. It is a delightful combination that is rare and overlooked, as most 
> upright bicycles feature low-end components or compromised geometry.
>
>

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[RBW] Re: My Rivendell Platypus - A Forever Bike Build

[Shoji Takahashi]

beautiful build. I love the video of you riding it on the trails. 

I really need to find the time to build mine up... 

On Wednesday, May 15, 2024 at 8:31:39 AM UTC-4 Tom Goodmann wrote:

> Ahhh! Beautiful build! I appreciate the details and photos you've shared 
> of your informed and thoughtful build. What a Platypus!
>
> Wishing you thousands of safe and happy miles,
>
> Tom 
> (leaving Miami)
>
> On Wednesday, May 15, 2024 at 8:03:57 AM UTC-4 Ryan wrote:
>
>> Wow...that's some build...love that chainring attachment for your basket. 
>> Really creative! Did you do that yourself or is that something you bought?  
>> Anyway, nice bike and that color kind of grows on you
>>
>> On Wednesday, May 15, 2024 at 4:48:28 AM UTC-5 Dan wrote:
>>
>>> I thoroughly enjoyed this write-up. I can tell you've put in a lot of 
>>> thought to this bike, and it's beautiful.
>>> Your approach to this build as a performance upright bicycle and your 
>>> subsequent revelations as to the comfort mirror my own on my new, purple 
>>> Appaloosa. I have the same bars too, but slightly wider tyres! All I need 
>>> is some bar tape and to mount my shifters upside down like yours for those 
>>> secondary hand positions to really be dialled.
>>> Hope you have many more adventures to come.
>>>
>>> PS: I was told the Quills couldn't handle 48s (I have them on my 
>>> singlespeed). Are you running yours tubeless?
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday 15 May 2024 at 09:26:44 UTC+9:30 kiziria...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 The complete build list is as follows. *View all photos here. 
 
  
 *

 Cockpit features a Nitto 135mm Faceplater Stem with Rons Ortho Bars, 
 Brooks leather ergon grips with Simworks purple bar ends, Rivendell S2 
 friction shifters, with harlequin style newbuams purple/yellow wrap with 
 clear shellac, and a stem-mounted spurcycle bell. S83 seatpost with Brooks 
 B17 titanium. NOS Dura-Ace headset.

 [image: IMG_3282.JPG]

 Brakes feature Paul Canti Levers with Touring Canti’s, Moon units, and 
 Hunter cycles Nugz for extra cable adjustment. Rene herse and nitto cable 
 hangars. Yokozuna reaction compressionless housing. All capped off with 
 Forager cycles cable cherries. Kool stop brake pads with the grey e-bike 
 pad compound. This was my final hurrah to test the ultimate canti-lever 
 brake setup and deem its worthiness as a brake. It has not passed by test. 
 Riv recommends v-brakes for several valid reasons.

 Custom wheelset featuring White Industries MI5 hubs laced to Velocity 
 Quill rims with Sapim spokes and brass nipples, 32h front, 36h rear, all 
 polished. Rene Herse Tires, 48mm Hatcher Pass and Oracle Ridge. I will 
 likely keep an endurance casing Oracle ridge as a final tire choice, setup 
 tubeless with Ultradynamico brass tubeless valves. I like riding fast, 
 especially on dirt. 

 Drivetrain features an ultra rare 110/73bcd Middleburn lightweight road 
 triple with 42/28t gearing and Rivendell chain guard and brass 
 self-extractors. Aluminum Sugino 28t chainring and aluminum chainring 
 hardware for weight reduction. NOS Dura-Ace 7700 sealed cartridge Bottom 
 bracket. Pedals are MKS Pretzel with shorter 4-5mm length brass set screws 
 to replace the 6mm long aggressive steel pins. Ultegra PD-ES600 SPD pedals 
 for longer rides when I want to be clipped in. Deore XT 9-speed 11-34 
 cassette, with NOS Dura Ace 7700 mid-cage rear derailleur (wolftooth 
 roadlink to clear the 34t), Dura Ace 7800 double front derailleur. KMC 
 10-speed X10SL with the gold treatment, because, gold! This all shifts 
 *wonderfully.*

 Accessories include Nitto F32 front rack with Tanaka stainless steel 
 basket held by Voile mini straps, Nitto 32r rear rack with cygolite rear 
 light mount. Front rack features upcycled 28t chainring for my cygolite 
 go-pro mount (blue lug style) and M6 brass set screws to fill the unused 
 braze-ons. Blue Lug yellow X-Strap bungee cords front and rear, with the 
 x2 
 rainbow Rivendell straps laced through the basket to handle any odd things 
 to carry on the fly. Beautiful Nitto R bottle cage on top, with ultra rare 
 matching Nitto BG-L 1-liter bottle cage on the bottom. Greenfield 
 kickstand 
 wrapped with newbaums purple. Purple Blue Lug Koma lights front and rear 
 at 
 the drop-outs for when I forget to bring my nicer lights. Newbaums wrap on 
 top tube for convenient handle grip when carrying up/down stairs to the 
 train. Blue lug style newbaums chainstay guard. Hemp twine features 
 everywhere. Lastly, any unused braze-ons are populated with M5 brass set 
 screws, including the backside of the utilized hourglass mounts 

 Security includes hexlox 

[RBW] Re: Atlantis 55 for sale

[Doug H.]

I'm not being critical, just curious. The Sam seems more of an all-rounder 
and the Atlantis more of a touring bike? I just bought a Roadini to ride 
mostly road miles.
Doug

On Wednesday, May 15, 2024 at 9:02:15 AM UTC-4 Doug H. wrote:

> Nice Atlantis. What are you looking for in a Sam that the Atlantis doesn't 
> provide? They are both great bikes.
> Doug
>
> On Wednesday, May 15, 2024 at 12:01:53 AM UTC-4 atreya...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Apologies everybody, didn't mean to spam. But the list let me attach only 
>> one photo at time. Happy to send more photos  over email. 
>>
>> On Tuesday, May 14, 2024 at 9:00:39 PM UTC-7 atreya...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> [image: IMG_0802.jpg]
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, May 14, 2024 at 8:59:48 PM UTC-7 atreya...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 [image: IMG_0797.jpg]



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[RBW] Re: Atlantis 55 for sale

[Doug H.]

Nice Atlantis. What are you looking for in a Sam that the Atlantis doesn't 
provide? They are both great bikes.
Doug

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> Apologies everybody, didn't mean to spam. But the list let me attach only 
> one photo at time. Happy to send more photos  over email. 
>
> On Tuesday, May 14, 2024 at 9:00:39 PM UTC-7 atreya...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> [image: IMG_0802.jpg]
>>
>> On Tuesday, May 14, 2024 at 8:59:48 PM UTC-7 atreya...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> [image: IMG_0797.jpg]
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: My Rivendell Platypus - A Forever Bike Build

[Tom Goodmann]

Ahhh! Beautiful build! I appreciate the details and photos you've shared of 
your informed and thoughtful build. What a Platypus!

Wishing you thousands of safe and happy miles,

Tom 
(leaving Miami)

On Wednesday, May 15, 2024 at 8:03:57 AM UTC-4 Ryan wrote:

> Wow...that's some build...love that chainring attachment for your basket. 
> Really creative! Did you do that yourself or is that something you bought?  
> Anyway, nice bike and that color kind of grows on you
>
> On Wednesday, May 15, 2024 at 4:48:28 AM UTC-5 Dan wrote:
>
>> I thoroughly enjoyed this write-up. I can tell you've put in a lot of 
>> thought to this bike, and it's beautiful.
>> Your approach to this build as a performance upright bicycle and your 
>> subsequent revelations as to the comfort mirror my own on my new, purple 
>> Appaloosa. I have the same bars too, but slightly wider tyres! All I need 
>> is some bar tape and to mount my shifters upside down like yours for those 
>> secondary hand positions to really be dialled.
>> Hope you have many more adventures to come.
>>
>> PS: I was told the Quills couldn't handle 48s (I have them on my 
>> singlespeed). Are you running yours tubeless?
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday 15 May 2024 at 09:26:44 UTC+9:30 kiziria...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> The complete build list is as follows. *View all photos here. 
>>> 
>>>  
>>> *
>>>
>>> Cockpit features a Nitto 135mm Faceplater Stem with Rons Ortho Bars, 
>>> Brooks leather ergon grips with Simworks purple bar ends, Rivendell S2 
>>> friction shifters, with harlequin style newbuams purple/yellow wrap with 
>>> clear shellac, and a stem-mounted spurcycle bell. S83 seatpost with Brooks 
>>> B17 titanium. NOS Dura-Ace headset.
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_3282.JPG]
>>>
>>> Brakes feature Paul Canti Levers with Touring Canti’s, Moon units, and 
>>> Hunter cycles Nugz for extra cable adjustment. Rene herse and nitto cable 
>>> hangars. Yokozuna reaction compressionless housing. All capped off with 
>>> Forager cycles cable cherries. Kool stop brake pads with the grey e-bike 
>>> pad compound. This was my final hurrah to test the ultimate canti-lever 
>>> brake setup and deem its worthiness as a brake. It has not passed by test. 
>>> Riv recommends v-brakes for several valid reasons.
>>>
>>> Custom wheelset featuring White Industries MI5 hubs laced to Velocity 
>>> Quill rims with Sapim spokes and brass nipples, 32h front, 36h rear, all 
>>> polished. Rene Herse Tires, 48mm Hatcher Pass and Oracle Ridge. I will 
>>> likely keep an endurance casing Oracle ridge as a final tire choice, setup 
>>> tubeless with Ultradynamico brass tubeless valves. I like riding fast, 
>>> especially on dirt. 
>>>
>>> Drivetrain features an ultra rare 110/73bcd Middleburn lightweight road 
>>> triple with 42/28t gearing and Rivendell chain guard and brass 
>>> self-extractors. Aluminum Sugino 28t chainring and aluminum chainring 
>>> hardware for weight reduction. NOS Dura-Ace 7700 sealed cartridge Bottom 
>>> bracket. Pedals are MKS Pretzel with shorter 4-5mm length brass set screws 
>>> to replace the 6mm long aggressive steel pins. Ultegra PD-ES600 SPD pedals 
>>> for longer rides when I want to be clipped in. Deore XT 9-speed 11-34 
>>> cassette, with NOS Dura Ace 7700 mid-cage rear derailleur (wolftooth 
>>> roadlink to clear the 34t), Dura Ace 7800 double front derailleur. KMC 
>>> 10-speed X10SL with the gold treatment, because, gold! This all shifts 
>>> *wonderfully.*
>>>
>>> Accessories include Nitto F32 front rack with Tanaka stainless steel 
>>> basket held by Voile mini straps, Nitto 32r rear rack with cygolite rear 
>>> light mount. Front rack features upcycled 28t chainring for my cygolite 
>>> go-pro mount (blue lug style) and M6 brass set screws to fill the unused 
>>> braze-ons. Blue Lug yellow X-Strap bungee cords front and rear, with the x2 
>>> rainbow Rivendell straps laced through the basket to handle any odd things 
>>> to carry on the fly. Beautiful Nitto R bottle cage on top, with ultra rare 
>>> matching Nitto BG-L 1-liter bottle cage on the bottom. Greenfield kickstand 
>>> wrapped with newbaums purple. Purple Blue Lug Koma lights front and rear at 
>>> the drop-outs for when I forget to bring my nicer lights. Newbaums wrap on 
>>> top tube for convenient handle grip when carrying up/down stairs to the 
>>> train. Blue lug style newbaums chainstay guard. Hemp twine features 
>>> everywhere. Lastly, any unused braze-ons are populated with M5 brass set 
>>> screws, including the backside of the utilized hourglass mounts 
>>>
>>> Security includes hexlox axles, with the same keyed inserts for the 
>>> seatpost clamp, stem, and saddle. GPS sticker for theft deterrent. Hidden 
>>> air tag. Serial number registered in two bike indexes. I purchased a 
>>> Kryptonite mini New York u-lock off ebay ($60 new!). It is absurd and 
>>> confidence inspiring. Makes 

Re: [RBW] Riv-rafting

[Sam McDermott]

There's a lot of...
 Riv raft love 
... on this thread
On Tuesday, May 14, 2024 at 11:43:55 PM UTC-4 John Rinker wrote:

> You bet, Patrick. I'm new at this so from when I arrive at the river to 
> launching the boat is about 30 minutes. Same with the deflation and pack 
> up. As I become more practiced this time may shrink, but I'm never really 
> in much of a hurry.
>
> Cheers, John
>
> On Tuesday, May 14, 2024 at 4:34:56 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> More interesting photos; thanks. Particularly interesting is how small 
>> the inflatable packs up for rack carriage. 
>>
>> How long does it take to unfold and inflate, and afterward to deflate and 
>> fold up the boat?
>>
>> On Mon, May 13, 2024 at 9:33 PM John Rinker  wrote:
>>
>>> Here are a few more photos of the Riv-raft from my trip to Salt River 
>>> today. Highlights include wild horses fording the river, eyeball to eyeball 
>>> with blue herons, multitudes of canyon swallows (or swifts?), and great 
>>> swimming.
>>> [image: IMG_3356.jpeg]
>>> [image: IMG_3360.jpeg]
>>>
>>> For the auditorily inclined, attached is a soundscape of the river. 
>>>
>>> Cheers, John
>>> On Saturday, May 11, 2024 at 4:42:58 PM UTC-7 John Rinker wrote:
>>>
 Hey Takashi,  Yes, indeed, it's a lovely way to travel. Very serene for 
 the most part. I would have enjoyed this boat when I road along the Nyodo 
 River on Shikoku.

 Cheers, John

 On Saturday, May 11, 2024 at 4:36:00 PM UTC-7 John Rinker wrote:

> Hey Robert, I remember seeing this once upon a time. Perhaps it's 
> where the seed of my idea to get my bike in a boat came from. Very cool, 
> indeed!
>
> Hey Patrick, It's hard to say. The Alpackaraft may be a little more 
> particular about where the bike is placed, but time from arrival to 
> launch 
> is probably similar. I do imagine that Wes is correct- the Alpackaraft 
> weighs only 5lbs, and that's pretty tough to beat.
>
> In the end, I agree with Patrick: any bike/boat combo is just plain 
> fun!
>
> Cheers, John
>
> On Saturday, May 11, 2024 at 3:15:40 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Tom Lutz seems to have accommodated himself and his Brompton to the 
>> mass of his Fliptail. I'd guess that with the wheels (or is it a 
>> minimalist 
>> trailer?) and flat terrain that even a weighty boat is less of a problem 
>> than, say, the inflatable 2-person kayaks that my next door neighbors 
>> have 
>> (fun fact: he was a brazer for Serrotta back when Serrotta did lugged 
>> steel 
>> bikes) which take a while to deflate, dry, and roll up.
>>
>> John: what do you think: is your boat easier to manipulate between 
>> bike packing and floating and back again than this Fliptail with tailer?
>>
>> I've no dog in this fight*; I think any bike-cum-boat travel incident 
>> looks like great fun and ought to be illustrated on this list with a 
>> great 
>> number of photos.
>>
>>
>> [*Ill disciplined imagination: recall the Economist cover with 
>> drawing of Ozarks or Appalachian front porch during Clinton I vs 
>> Lewinsky, 
>> with slogan: "He's a hard dog to keep on the porch." Nothing beats 
>> Southern 
>> syntax.]
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, May 11, 2024 at 3:07 PM Wesley  wrote:
>>
>>> That’s a fliptail: https://duckworks.com/fliptail-7-plans-pdf/
>>>
>>> I built its ancestor the origami from the same designer about six 
>>> years ago to be a compact tender for the boat we were living aboard. It 
>>> turned out very heavy so we never used it, preferring our inflatable 
>>> kayaks. 
>>>
>>> The fliptail is probably a bit lighter but I don’t think it’s really 
>>> a great combo with a bike. Would love to be wrong, though!
>>> -Wes
>>>
>>> On Saturday, May 11, 2024 at 11:28:47 AM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
 Now that has to be one of the most interesting commutes I've heard 
 about; thanks for sharing.

 I'd love to know more about his boat and what it's made from and 
 its features.

 On Sat, May 11, 2024 at 11:22 AM  wrote:

> This guy did a bike/boat commute from Jersey into NYC. Pretty 
> unique setup!
>
> [image: maxresdefault.jpg]
>
> A bike commute you wont believe - Tom Lutz 
> 
> youtu.be 
> 
>
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[RBW] Re: My Rivendell Platypus - A Forever Bike Build

[Ryan]

Wow...that's some build...love that chainring attachment for your basket. 
Really creative! Did you do that yourself or is that something you bought?  
Anyway, nice bike and that color kind of grows on you

On Wednesday, May 15, 2024 at 4:48:28 AM UTC-5 Dan wrote:

> I thoroughly enjoyed this write-up. I can tell you've put in a lot of 
> thought to this bike, and it's beautiful.
> Your approach to this build as a performance upright bicycle and your 
> subsequent revelations as to the comfort mirror my own on my new, purple 
> Appaloosa. I have the same bars too, but slightly wider tyres! All I need 
> is some bar tape and to mount my shifters upside down like yours for those 
> secondary hand positions to really be dialled.
> Hope you have many more adventures to come.
>
> PS: I was told the Quills couldn't handle 48s (I have them on my 
> singlespeed). Are you running yours tubeless?
>
>
> On Wednesday 15 May 2024 at 09:26:44 UTC+9:30 kiziria...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> The complete build list is as follows. *View all photos here. 
>> 
>>  
>> *
>>
>> Cockpit features a Nitto 135mm Faceplater Stem with Rons Ortho Bars, 
>> Brooks leather ergon grips with Simworks purple bar ends, Rivendell S2 
>> friction shifters, with harlequin style newbuams purple/yellow wrap with 
>> clear shellac, and a stem-mounted spurcycle bell. S83 seatpost with Brooks 
>> B17 titanium. NOS Dura-Ace headset.
>>
>> [image: IMG_3282.JPG]
>>
>> Brakes feature Paul Canti Levers with Touring Canti’s, Moon units, and 
>> Hunter cycles Nugz for extra cable adjustment. Rene herse and nitto cable 
>> hangars. Yokozuna reaction compressionless housing. All capped off with 
>> Forager cycles cable cherries. Kool stop brake pads with the grey e-bike 
>> pad compound. This was my final hurrah to test the ultimate canti-lever 
>> brake setup and deem its worthiness as a brake. It has not passed by test. 
>> Riv recommends v-brakes for several valid reasons.
>>
>> Custom wheelset featuring White Industries MI5 hubs laced to Velocity 
>> Quill rims with Sapim spokes and brass nipples, 32h front, 36h rear, all 
>> polished. Rene Herse Tires, 48mm Hatcher Pass and Oracle Ridge. I will 
>> likely keep an endurance casing Oracle ridge as a final tire choice, setup 
>> tubeless with Ultradynamico brass tubeless valves. I like riding fast, 
>> especially on dirt. 
>>
>> Drivetrain features an ultra rare 110/73bcd Middleburn lightweight road 
>> triple with 42/28t gearing and Rivendell chain guard and brass 
>> self-extractors. Aluminum Sugino 28t chainring and aluminum chainring 
>> hardware for weight reduction. NOS Dura-Ace 7700 sealed cartridge Bottom 
>> bracket. Pedals are MKS Pretzel with shorter 4-5mm length brass set screws 
>> to replace the 6mm long aggressive steel pins. Ultegra PD-ES600 SPD pedals 
>> for longer rides when I want to be clipped in. Deore XT 9-speed 11-34 
>> cassette, with NOS Dura Ace 7700 mid-cage rear derailleur (wolftooth 
>> roadlink to clear the 34t), Dura Ace 7800 double front derailleur. KMC 
>> 10-speed X10SL with the gold treatment, because, gold! This all shifts 
>> *wonderfully.*
>>
>> Accessories include Nitto F32 front rack with Tanaka stainless steel 
>> basket held by Voile mini straps, Nitto 32r rear rack with cygolite rear 
>> light mount. Front rack features upcycled 28t chainring for my cygolite 
>> go-pro mount (blue lug style) and M6 brass set screws to fill the unused 
>> braze-ons. Blue Lug yellow X-Strap bungee cords front and rear, with the x2 
>> rainbow Rivendell straps laced through the basket to handle any odd things 
>> to carry on the fly. Beautiful Nitto R bottle cage on top, with ultra rare 
>> matching Nitto BG-L 1-liter bottle cage on the bottom. Greenfield kickstand 
>> wrapped with newbaums purple. Purple Blue Lug Koma lights front and rear at 
>> the drop-outs for when I forget to bring my nicer lights. Newbaums wrap on 
>> top tube for convenient handle grip when carrying up/down stairs to the 
>> train. Blue lug style newbaums chainstay guard. Hemp twine features 
>> everywhere. Lastly, any unused braze-ons are populated with M5 brass set 
>> screws, including the backside of the utilized hourglass mounts 
>>
>> Security includes hexlox axles, with the same keyed inserts for the 
>> seatpost clamp, stem, and saddle. GPS sticker for theft deterrent. Hidden 
>> air tag. Serial number registered in two bike indexes. I purchased a 
>> Kryptonite mini New York u-lock off ebay ($60 new!). It is absurd and 
>> confidence inspiring. Makes my evolution mini u-lock look like a joke. 
>>
>> One bit I forgot to mention. The inner position of the lower rear right 
>> rack mount are positioned perfectly for a chain holder, as 80's touring 
>> bikes used to have. An Acetal bushing with delrin washers result in not 
>> just a chain holder, but the ability to backpedal and lube the chain 

[RBW] Re: My Rivendell Platypus - A Forever Bike Build

[Dan]

I thoroughly enjoyed this write-up. I can tell you've put in a lot of 
thought to this bike, and it's beautiful.
Your approach to this build as a performance upright bicycle and your 
subsequent revelations as to the comfort mirror my own on my new, purple 
Appaloosa. I have the same bars too, but slightly wider tyres! All I need 
is some bar tape and to mount my shifters upside down like yours for those 
secondary hand positions to really be dialled.
Hope you have many more adventures to come.

PS: I was told the Quills couldn't handle 48s (I have them on my 
singlespeed). Are you running yours tubeless?


On Wednesday 15 May 2024 at 09:26:44 UTC+9:30 kiziria...@gmail.com wrote:

> The complete build list is as follows. *View all photos here. 
> 
>  
> *
>
> Cockpit features a Nitto 135mm Faceplater Stem with Rons Ortho Bars, 
> Brooks leather ergon grips with Simworks purple bar ends, Rivendell S2 
> friction shifters, with harlequin style newbuams purple/yellow wrap with 
> clear shellac, and a stem-mounted spurcycle bell. S83 seatpost with Brooks 
> B17 titanium. NOS Dura-Ace headset.
>
> [image: IMG_3282.JPG]
>
> Brakes feature Paul Canti Levers with Touring Canti’s, Moon units, and 
> Hunter cycles Nugz for extra cable adjustment. Rene herse and nitto cable 
> hangars. Yokozuna reaction compressionless housing. All capped off with 
> Forager cycles cable cherries. Kool stop brake pads with the grey e-bike 
> pad compound. This was my final hurrah to test the ultimate canti-lever 
> brake setup and deem its worthiness as a brake. It has not passed by test. 
> Riv recommends v-brakes for several valid reasons.
>
> Custom wheelset featuring White Industries MI5 hubs laced to Velocity 
> Quill rims with Sapim spokes and brass nipples, 32h front, 36h rear, all 
> polished. Rene Herse Tires, 48mm Hatcher Pass and Oracle Ridge. I will 
> likely keep an endurance casing Oracle ridge as a final tire choice, setup 
> tubeless with Ultradynamico brass tubeless valves. I like riding fast, 
> especially on dirt. 
>
> Drivetrain features an ultra rare 110/73bcd Middleburn lightweight road 
> triple with 42/28t gearing and Rivendell chain guard and brass 
> self-extractors. Aluminum Sugino 28t chainring and aluminum chainring 
> hardware for weight reduction. NOS Dura-Ace 7700 sealed cartridge Bottom 
> bracket. Pedals are MKS Pretzel with shorter 4-5mm length brass set screws 
> to replace the 6mm long aggressive steel pins. Ultegra PD-ES600 SPD pedals 
> for longer rides when I want to be clipped in. Deore XT 9-speed 11-34 
> cassette, with NOS Dura Ace 7700 mid-cage rear derailleur (wolftooth 
> roadlink to clear the 34t), Dura Ace 7800 double front derailleur. KMC 
> 10-speed X10SL with the gold treatment, because, gold! This all shifts 
> *wonderfully.*
>
> Accessories include Nitto F32 front rack with Tanaka stainless steel 
> basket held by Voile mini straps, Nitto 32r rear rack with cygolite rear 
> light mount. Front rack features upcycled 28t chainring for my cygolite 
> go-pro mount (blue lug style) and M6 brass set screws to fill the unused 
> braze-ons. Blue Lug yellow X-Strap bungee cords front and rear, with the x2 
> rainbow Rivendell straps laced through the basket to handle any odd things 
> to carry on the fly. Beautiful Nitto R bottle cage on top, with ultra rare 
> matching Nitto BG-L 1-liter bottle cage on the bottom. Greenfield kickstand 
> wrapped with newbaums purple. Purple Blue Lug Koma lights front and rear at 
> the drop-outs for when I forget to bring my nicer lights. Newbaums wrap on 
> top tube for convenient handle grip when carrying up/down stairs to the 
> train. Blue lug style newbaums chainstay guard. Hemp twine features 
> everywhere. Lastly, any unused braze-ons are populated with M5 brass set 
> screws, including the backside of the utilized hourglass mounts 
>
> Security includes hexlox axles, with the same keyed inserts for the 
> seatpost clamp, stem, and saddle. GPS sticker for theft deterrent. Hidden 
> air tag. Serial number registered in two bike indexes. I purchased a 
> Kryptonite mini New York u-lock off ebay ($60 new!). It is absurd and 
> confidence inspiring. Makes my evolution mini u-lock look like a joke. 
>
> One bit I forgot to mention. The inner position of the lower rear right 
> rack mount are positioned perfectly for a chain holder, as 80's touring 
> bikes used to have. An Acetal bushing with delrin washers result in not 
> just a chain holder, but the ability to backpedal and lube the chain wit 
> the wheel off. 
>
>
> Thanks for reading! 
> Armand 
> Santa Monica, CA
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] TPU inner tubes - Anyone using them?

[Garth]

T

On Wednesday, May 15, 2024 at 1:08:28 AM UTC-4 travis...@gmail.com wrote:

> When I wrote that the sizes and weights explained the appeal to "oldez", I 
> was referring to riders like myself trained by the bicycle press from 
> adolescence to stop and look -- and even spend, again -- to save some 
> grams. 
>
> Chis Fly might also have been thinking of the experience of riders saving 
> less weight than was the promise of "CO2 cartridges will replace pumps", 
> what with the backup cartridges in case of failure to dispense correctly or 
> the  insufficiency of just one, or two.
>
> The expected maximum benefit for all the risks of disappointment in TPU 
> tubes is estimated in tests with measurement repeatability of  +- 0.3 
> watts, on the order of 2 watts per tire @50psi compared to a thin butyl 
> tube.  Expected benefit compared to the lightweight butyl tube may be no 
> more than 1 watt per tire , about the energy loss of a tube rubbing inside 
> your tire. (Latex tubes are grippy.)
>
> (I apologize that the rightmost original column with average energy losses 
> in 3 fast 25mm tires @ 60psi would not fit in a screen shot. The lower the 
> pressure, the greater the expression of between-tube differences.)
>
>
> [image: image0.png]
>
>
>
> - --
> Harry P Travis
> Portland, OR USA 
> 17.4.1
>
> On May 14, 2024, at 6:03 PM, Chris Fly  wrote:
>
> 
>
> light weight and a small footprint is all well and good until you are on 
> the side of the road, tired and blow through your tubes trying to get your 
> tire seated back on the rim.. these seem way too fragile for me to worry 
> about the weight difference.. and I'm sorry, but I just can't see the 
> difference between a good latex and a TPU making that much difference when 
> riding.. I get the numbers will say the TPU spins up xx% faster from a 
> stop, etc. but I don't buy that it will make much of a real world 
> difference.. and, as I said prior, I don't even use a latex tube as a spare 
> based on how you can bung those up as well on the side of the road.. 
>
> ride what you want to ride for sure, but don't try and sell me on the 
> advantages of saving 50g (100g for a set) when the total system weight for 
> me is around 235 lbs.. especially if it sacrifices reliability, which it 
> seems to do in this case.. 
>
> Chris 
>
> On Tue, May 14, 2024 at 5:43 PM Harry Travis  wrote:
>
> A pic to remind of best reason - WL mentioned it early- why these have 
>> even oldez wanna spend. 
>>
>> these are all tube for nominal 25mm tires.   including one 80g latex tube 
>>  and three butyl tubes for nominal and indeed small 25mm tires. 
>>
>> Lightest TPU tubes weighed 20-25g. 
>>
> 
>>
>> --
>> Harry P Travis
>> 17.4.1
>>
>> On May 14, 2024, at 4:28 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>
>> 
>> Sheesh; sorry for the bad experiences and, again -- don't hate me for 
>> this -- thanks for being the bad-news guinea pig.
>>
>> Let us know if you ever rustle up Rene Herse customer service for refunds 
>> or replacements.
>>
>> I use Schwalbe extra light butyls with Orange Seal regular formula in 
>> road tires (30 to 60 psi, 559 X 42 and 559 X 28, slightly lower psi in 
>> front than rear) and I am very happy to report that this works well. I 
>> guess I'll continue to be happy with this arrangement for a while longer.
>>
>> Everybody: If you experiment with TPUs, please keep the list informed. 
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Patrick Moore, who would love to swap 70 gram / 100 gram butyls for 35 
>> gram, faster-rolling TPUs with compatible sealant proven against goatheads, 
>> in ABQ, NM.
>>
>> On Tue, May 14, 2024 at 5:19 PM Ted Durant  wrote:
>>
>>> Another update. Found my Riv Road (622x32) had an almost flat front tire 
>>> this afternoon. Pulled the tube and found no holes but a very slow leak 
>>> from the valve stem. Using my fingers to grip the stem, I was able to back 
>>> off the core then re-tighten it. The leak was worse. So, I gripped the 
>>> valve with pliers and again re-tightened the core. As I worried would 
>>> happen, when I went to reinflate the tube to check for a leak, the tube had 
>>> broken at the base of the stem. That tire is now inflated by old reliable 
>>> Schwalbe no 16. Out of the six tubes I bought in that size, I'm down to 
>>> three usable. I like having removable/replaceable cores, but they're kind 
>>> of silly on tubes that have such a fragile connection to the valve.
>>>
>>> The repair I made yesterday (Waterford ST-22, 622x32, rear wheel) didn't 
>>> work. I pulled the tube again and checked for leaks in water, which I 
>>> should have done yesterday. I'm not sure whether what I thought was a hole 
>>> actually was, but I found a tiny hole in the same place relative to the 
>>> valve stem, the other way around. The hole was so tiny that it was not at 
>>> all visible - only could find it from the bubbles that came out of it under 
>>> water. So, that one is patched and reinstalled. 
>>>
>>> I've used Schwalbe superlight tubes on my Breadwinner 

[RBW] Re: Cameras On Bikes

[Nick Payne]

Back in film camera days I mainly used a succession of small 35mm cameras 
for cycling photography - Rollei 35, Olympus XA, Ricoh GR and GR21 - but I 
also occasionally carried a 120 roll file camera as well, either a 
YashicaMat 124G TLR or a Makina 67 folding rangefinder. With digital 
cameras, I've had a succession of the various Sony RX100 models - the 
original model, then the RX100 IV, which added a popup viewfinder, and 
currently the RX100 VII, which increased the focal range. These days, I 
travel with the RX100 VII and my phone, though I find that I mostly use the 
phone unless I need the longer focal length or burst mode of the dedicated 
camera.

Here's one tour shot with the Olympus XA: 
https://goo.gl/photos/U7H7PABV1r6QLLxN8
One shot with the Makina 67: https://goo.gl/photos/Mq1z4mycSFkQFdsd6
And our most recent tour in Europe, where I think virtually all the photos 
were taken with my phone (at the time, a Pixel 4), except for the photos of 
the racing at the cycling world championships in Innsbruck, where I used 
the RX100 for it's greater reach and fast burst mode: 
https://photos.app.goo.gl/B2RriY2XXGPfh6VaA

Nick Payne

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