[RBW] Re: Balance Bikes for Bouncing Babies

[Andrew Patteson]

Hi Justin,

My kid ended up with a great one from TykesBykes (later called Stampede), 
but the website Two Wheeling Tots has tons of info and was a huge help for 
me in choosing.  No affiliation.

IIRC my son was 2 1/2 when we got him the balance bike and was riding a 
pedal bike like a champ right after turning 4.

I wanted real tires, not foam.  I liked the idea of the hand brake, though 
they likely won't use it for a while.

Exciting times!

Best wishes,
Andrew P. in SLC, UT


On Sunday, March 10, 2019 at 9:24:10 PM UTC-6, Justin, Oakland wrote:
>
> Hey folks- 
> I want to look at a balance bike for my daughter. Lots of choices out 
> there and want to get one that can grow with her for a reasonably long 
> amount of time. It’d be nice to be able to have the same bike transition 
> with her to be able to ride a bit on the dirt since we have great flat-ish 
> areas in the dirt to practice here.
>
>  Any thoughts on brands or models?
> How old were they and how long had your kid been walking before going to a 
> balance bike?
> Any tips?
>
> Justin
>

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[RBW] Re: Ride Report - 600-mile tour on Joe Appaloosa

[Andrew Patteson]

Brad, this is a great ride report!

I am pleased to have made a cameo as a "fellow bicycle nerd"!

You are a passionate teacher and cyclist, and just a nice guy.  I really 
enjoyed meeting you.

Andrew P. in SLC, UT

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Re: [RBW] Saddle Sack Med and Leg Strike

[Andrew Patteson]

I have used a cork from a wine bottle, cut down a bit and with a piece of 
thin wire run through it (and through the leather strap) to help it stay in 
place.  I don't mind it lightly brushing my legs as I pedal, but I wanted 
just a little bit more offset.

Andrew P. in SLC, UT


On Monday, May 14, 2018 at 6:51:26 PM UTC-6, Vincent Tamer wrote:
>
> Toshi, this seems to be the best (cheapest) solution and it looks like it 
> works great! I'll be trying this out.
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> Vincent
>
> On Monday, May 14, 2018 at 2:50:06 PM UTC-7, ttoshi wrote:
>>
>> If you want to see some pics, just search Acorn bag with standoff.  The 
>> only caveat is that you might need to extend the strap that you use to 
>> attach the bag to the seat tube.
>>
>> Toshi
>>
>>
>> On Mon, May 14, 2018 at 7:11 AM, Toshi Takeuchi  wrote:
>>
>>> One potentially cheap solution is to mount a tube at the back of the 
>>> seat post to push the bag back an inch or two.  One iteration of the Acorn 
>>> bags used to have a leather tube to do just what I suggested above.
>>>
>>> Tosh
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Bill's 57cm Legolas build thread

[Andrew Patteson]

Holy cow, another stupendously great bike.  You have a gift.

Andrew in SLC, UT


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[RBW] Re: New Bike Day! Black Mountain Monster Cross

[Andrew Patteson]

Wow, great looking bike!!  So very well thought out.

Andrew in SLC, UT






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[RBW] Re: Delight of rain

[Andrew Patteson]

Patrick,

I loved your joyful post and the vivid details.  It made me want to ride my 
bike.

Best wishes,
Andrew in Salt Lake City, where we could use some of those storms



On Sunday, July 9, 2017 at 4:04:17 PM UTC-6, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Sorry to cause concern and give the impression of being lackadaisical 
> about lightening. Far from it. I don't avoid thunderstorms, as that isn't 
> possible if one is outdoors. I am, however, as safe as I know to be in 
> them. I simply wanted to share the joy of the rides in the rain. My 
> apologies.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> On Sunday, July 9, 2017 at 3:41:36 PM UTC-6, Mojo wrote:
>>
>> Patrick,
>>
>> I hope you will reconsider your behavior during thunderstorms. The facts 
>> don't support your lackadaisical view of lightning.
>>  http://www.lightningsafety.noaa.gov/
>> Lightning is the number one weather related killer in Colorado. Even when 
>> folks are not killed by a lightning strike, it can alter and diminish the 
>> remainder of their life.
>> http://www.lightningsafety.com/nlsi_lls/fatalities_us.html 
>> Living at 9000ft, your risk of lightning strike is enhanced over the 
>> Colorado state average.
>>
>> Lightning is NOT at all predictable where it will strike. As a NWS 
>> forecaster giving presentations on the subject, I used to say "lightning is 
>> very powerful but very lazy." It will always find the easiest path to 
>> discharge. Yes the probabilities are greatest for higher elevations during 
>> the afternoon hours, but that doesn't mean probabilities are zero for lower 
>> elevations during the morning or evening.
>>
>> Be safe out there!
>> Joe in GJT
>>
>> On Sunday, July 9, 2017 at 2:15:29 PM UTC-6, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>
>>> Ha, George! If I followed that advice I'd not go on rides from April 
>>> through September. Grin. Fortunately, lightening is predictable in what it 
>>> like to hit. Stay low 'cause it likes to aim high. Don't straddle anything 
>>> steel, er, because it is attracted to conductiv ... ZAP! CRACK! CRISP! Grin.
>>>
>>> With abandon,
>>> Patrick
>>>
>>> On Sunday, July 9, 2017 at 1:27:06 PM UTC-6, George Schick wrote:

 Long as you're not out in it during one of those thunderstorms, that 
 is. Lightning, especially at those altitudes, can be very lethal and it 
 can 
 strike a long way from where the storm appears to be.


 On Sunday, July 9, 2017 at 1:45:03 PM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Yesterday was hot for around here. 84˚F at 9,000 feet. Riding home the 
> thunderclouds that had been building since noon broke loose. Unlike most 
> storms, this one didn’t drop the temperature into the 40’s or 50’s. It 
> stayed in the upper 70’s. I left my rain jacket in my bag and delighted 
> in 
> the wet soaking my cotton shirt, cooling me off. Combined with the 
> delicious scents of rain, ozone, flashing lightening and rumbling thunder 
> coming down and mixing with earth, sage, flowers, pine, and aspen, it was 
> a 
> veritable feast.
>
> This morning, the sun was out, the ground moist and pocked , fresh and 
> giving off the smell of summer loam of long decay, pine, and growth in 
> the 
> warmth. Pockets of air still cool from the moist night air tantalized as 
> at 
> rode through them, lingering by slowing my pedaling.
>
> After weeks of hot and dusty grit, these two rides were spectacularly 
> refreshing.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> www.CredoFamily.org
> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Bag, Pedals, Cockpits, Shoes

[Andrew Patteson]

Those Albas look great!  I almost want to buy them and then just wait for 
the right bike to come along...

Cheers,
Andrew in SLC

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[RBW] Re: clem smith L and ibert babyseat

[Andrew Patteson]

It's *really, really great* to have the kiddo up front, but yes there are 
definitely fit challenges.  Long tt with swept-back bars is the only way it 
would work for many people.  As pictured above I can straddle the bike 
between saddle and kidseat, but it is tight enough to require extra care 
when stopping and starting.  If you are okay being flexible with your 
riding position you might want to move your saddle back a bit, too, or even 
use a shorter nosed saddle.  It is more convenient if you can dedicate a 
bike to being the kid hauler.  If you do need to use the bike for other 
purposes, it's pretty easy to remove the seat from the clamped on mount 
(but then you have the mount there, which is a long piece of steel pointing 
in the general direction of your genitalia... I put a slit-open raquetball 
on the end of mine when riding without the seat).


There are other front mount seats that attach to the tt, but the iBert 
clamps between headset and stem extension.  The Clem L seems like it might 
be perfect if you can figure out the fit variables for the two riders.  If 
you do get an iBert definitely get the seat pad and the "steering wheel".


My little guy is now close to being too big for his seat.  That will be a 
sad day.


OP, let me know if you have other questions and I'll try to answer.


Best wishes,

Andrew in SLC




On Thursday, November 17, 2016 at 8:08:04 AM UTC-7, Grant @ Rivendell wrote:
>
> We got an iBert to test out about 8 years ago, and found the same thing. 
> I've seen a few around, always rigid-forward arms trying to reach the flat 
> bars. The iBert seems to need a superlong TT (CLEM has) and Bosco-style 
> bars. Not sure it'll mount on CLEM-L. As I remember it, it needed a top 
> tube, but research would verify that. It's otherwise a neat green seat from 
> Utah.
>
> On Wednesday, November 16, 2016 at 8:21:17 AM UTC-8, Sky Coulter wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I bought an ibert seat for baby bike rides over short distances. I 
>> mounted it on my romulus and found I didn't have enough space left over on 
>> the top tube to dismount safely.  I think I might have enough room on my 
>> bombadil, but the standover leaves nothing to the imagination and I worry 
>> about being unstable on the bike while getting the baby on and off.  So 
>> last night I was thinking about possibly buying a clem smith L model as a 
>> baby transport bike. 
>>
>> Ideally, I'd really like it if the one bike could work for both my wife 
>> and I for going for rides with the baby.  My saddle height is 78cm; my 
>> wife's is 66cm.  So by the clem smith brochure, the 52cm clem smith L 
>> should be able to accommodate both those saddle heights. Although I do 
>> worry about the reach to the bars - whether it'll be too far for my wife, 
>> whether it'll be too short for me.So I'm hoping the group wisdom can 
>> offer some advice.
>>
>> Has anyone tried an ibert front child seat on a clem smith L bike?  Good 
>> times?
>> And has anyone with a 66cm or 78cm saddle height tried riding the 52cm 
>> clem smith L? how was the fit?  I'd really like it if I can just adjust 
>> saddle height between riders and have it fit both of us. And if it'll be a 
>> poor fit, better a poor fit for me than my wife.
>>
>> Thanks for your conveyed opinions, thoughts, and experiences.
>>
>> Sky in new west 
>>
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Re: [RBW] Bartape that matches Honey Brooks saddles?

[Andrew Patteson]

Seconded.  It's really quite nice.

Andrew in SLC


On Tuesday, November 8, 2016 at 9:17:50 PM UTC-7, Tim Gavin wrote:
>
> Brooks microfiber
>
 

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Re: [RBW] XL frames and 650b experiences

[Andrew Patteson]

Thank you, Ryan.  I had one nice bruise but nothing at all bothersome... 
the bike has a bent fork and a bent top tube, so while I still have the 
frame hanging in my shed, I kind of doubt it will ever see road again.  
What a great, great ride it was.  Just about all of the components in the 
photo are now hanging on a same-year Bianchi Limited.  Some will be making 
their way to a '74 Motobecane Grand Record 650b build I am (very slowly) 
working on.

And yikes!!  Sorry to hear it.  I hope you heal quickly and are back 
rolling soon.

Best wishes,
Andrew in SLC

On Monday, November 7, 2016 at 12:02:28 PM UTC-7, Ryan Fleming wrote:
>
> Well...I sincerely  hope that you, at least,  are OK, but that is too bad 
> about your bike. I hope it is tragic accident  and not  a fatal one for 
> your bike
>
> Ryan  in Winnipeg who now knows  she has  compression fracture of a lower 
> vertebra and with  our lovely November is making do with walking and not 
> riding yet. But the X0-1 appears to be fine
>
> On Sunday, November 6, 2016 at 5:47:36 PM UTC-6, Andrew Patteson wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> <https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-IMn7qomDXDs/WB_AHpoGKBI/AjA/C9OZL_AFk9I9g_P3uhfppmf4tOH24vmRgCLcB/s1600/_MG_1087.jpg>
>>
>> Here's my 1983 Trek 600.  It had a tragic encounter with a curb a few 
>> weeks after this was taken :(
>>
>> Go for it!  Most issues can be worked out or around but really long 
>> cranks might be a problem.
>>
>> Andrew in SLC
>>
>> On Sunday, November 6, 2016 at 1:19:50 PM UTC-7, Abcyclehank wrote:
>>>
>>> Eric 
>>> Both of these examples are beautiful.  Provided a ton of potential 
>>> answers.  Areas of concern currently are brake issues but I have a set of 
>>> Silvers, and am willing to modify if necessary (although looks fine during 
>>> mock up).  Bottom bracket drop also is a potential concern asI generally 
>>> run 180mm-200mm cranks.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Ryan Hankinson
>>>
>>> Follow up thought... Is it possible to convert a bike with 
>>> canti-brakes?
>>>
>>>

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Re: [RBW] XL frames and 650b experiences

[Andrew Patteson]

Here's my 1983 Trek 600.  It had a tragic encounter with a curb a few weeks 
after this was taken :(

Go for it!  Most issues can be worked out or around but really long cranks 
might be a problem.

Andrew in SLC

On Sunday, November 6, 2016 at 1:19:50 PM UTC-7, Abcyclehank wrote:
>
> Eric 
> Both of these examples are beautiful.  Provided a ton of potential 
> answers.  Areas of concern currently are brake issues but I have a set of 
> Silvers, and am willing to modify if necessary (although looks fine during 
> mock up).  Bottom bracket drop also is a potential concern asI generally 
> run 180mm-200mm cranks.
>
> Thanks,
> Ryan Hankinson
>
> Follow up thought... Is it possible to convert a bike with 
> canti-brakes?
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Light Mount

[Andrew Patteson]

That is really cool.  I improvised something for my front rack but yours is 
neat.

Andrew in SLC

On Thursday, November 3, 2016 at 10:10:04 PM UTC-6, J Imler wrote:
>
> https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0BwHqG1q8uHdccDJLN21PZGQtTUE
>
> On Nov 3, 2016 9:08 PM, "Reid"  
> wrote:
>
>> Pics please.
>>
>> Reid
>>
>>
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[RBW] FS: Custom made frame pack

[Andrew Patteson]

All my bikes are way too tall for that, but it is lovely! Looks very well made.

Andrew in SLC 

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[RBW] Re: 10-30 minute rides

[Andrew Patteson]

This has been a really interesting thread.  Thanks for posting it, Joe.  
AND it helped motivate me to get out for a quick ride yesterday.

Cheers,
Andrew in SLC

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[RBW] Re: Riding with butterflies

[Andrew Patteson]

Lovely, just lovely!

Thank you for sharing these.

Andrew in SLC

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Re: [RBW] Re: Sam with 'staches?

[Andrew Patteson]

The perforated will be substantially lighter, like drillium for your bar 
tape.



:)

I don't have direct experience, but I would think that there's not much of 
a difference either way, and you should get whichever floats your boat.

Best wishes,
Andrew in SLC


On Friday, June 24, 2016 at 1:22:08 PM UTC-6, Tim Butterfield wrote:
>
> I noticed both this and the regular Brooks leather bar tape are 
> perforated.  Is there a benefit to the perforations or would a solid tape 
> like the Compass Grand Bois leather tape be better?
>
> https://www.compasscycle.com/shop/components/handlebars/grand-bois-leather-handlebar-tape/
>
> I can imagine grip might be a little better with perforations, but 
> possibly at the expense of longevity in weather.  I'm leaning towards the 
> solid Grand Bois tape, but could be swayed if having perforations was 
> substantially better overall for some reason.  If leather, I'll treat with 
> Obenauf's LP for either.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Tim
>
> On Fri, Jun 24, 2016 at 8:18 AM, Andrew Patteson <
> andrewp...@waterfordschool.org > wrote:
>
>> One newer (and vegan) option is this stuff:  
>> http://www.jensonusa.com/Brooks-Microfiber-Bar-Tape
>>
>> I don't have a lot of miles on it, but it feels like it will last forever.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Andrew in SLC
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Sam with 'staches?

[Andrew Patteson]

One newer (and vegan) option is this stuff:  
http://www.jensonusa.com/Brooks-Microfiber-Bar-Tape

I don't have a lot of miles on it, but it feels like it will last forever.

Cheers,
Andrew in SLC







On Friday, June 24, 2016 at 7:53:53 AM UTC-6, Jon Craig wrote:
>
> Good to know, thanks!  Perhaps I'll do leather tape then.  The look is 
> fantastic.
>
>

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[RBW] Re: VO fenders vs. Honjo fenders?

[Andrew Patteson]

If I may ask:  then why not just get the Berthoud fenders instead?  Are 
they inferior in some way?

Thanks,
Andrew in SLC

On Thursday, June 16, 2016 at 8:33:46 AM UTC-6, Anton Tutter wrote:
>
>  the Berthoud stays are superior for the reasons Brian mentioned. 
> 
>
> On Thursday, June 16, 2016 at 8:34:14 AM UTC-4, Brian Campbell wrote:
>>
>> I say buy the VO fenders but use the money saved to buy the Berthoud  
>> mounting stays from Ben's cycle. 
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Current projects finished! Now on to the next!

[Andrew Patteson]

Wow!! very very very nice.

-Andrew in SLC

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[RBW] Re: Wald Basket??

[Andrew Patteson]

That's really nicely done, masmojo.  You can also use Gear Ties, though I 
don't know how they do over the course of years.

I have the same Soma rack and it's a nice, relatively wide base for the 
basket.

http://s909.photobucket.com/user/inkandsilver/media/1983%20Trek%20600/_MG_1094_zpsahyq86uz.jpg.html

-Andrew in SLC


On Wednesday, June 1, 2016 at 12:03:12 PM UTC-6, masmojo wrote:
>
>
> http://smg.photobucket.com/user/masmojo/media/20160131_125134_zpsask2ttqw.jpg.html

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[RBW] Re: FS: Rivendell Rambouillet 64cm Rare Color $1600

[Andrew Patteson]

^ What Bill said, squared.

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[RBW] Re: Frame bag recommendations

[Andrew Patteson]

On Friday, May 27, 2016 at 8:16:39 PM UTC-6, John Philip wrote:
>
> Here's one on my 64 Bomba. 
>

Wow, beautiful bike.  Sorry to derail, but may I ask, is that a Nitto 
lugged seatpost?  Lots of setback can be helpful! 

Andrew in SLC

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[RBW] Re: FS : Price Drop : 60cm SimpleOne / Multi-Speed Mods / Clear Powdercoat

[Andrew Patteson]

This is such a cool bike.  I'm a little surprised it hasn't found a home 
yet.  I'd be in if I were a little shorter and a little more flush with 
cash.

Andrew in SLC

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Re: [RBW] Re: New cassette issue...any ideas?

[Andrew Patteson]

> It seems like you have thought through most or all of the potential 
> component issues, so... dropout misalignment, maybe?
>
>
> A good way to clarify whether it's the wheel or the frame would be to swap 
> a known to be working well wheel and chain from another bike, or even to 
> exchange wheels and chains, and see if the trouble follows the wheel to the 
> other bike, or continues even with a different, known good wheel.
>
>
>
Good idea, and let me further clarify my previous comment -- derailler 
hanger misalignment is pretty common, more so than dropout misalignment.

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[RBW] Re: New cassette issue...any ideas?

[Andrew Patteson]

It seems like you have thought through most or all of the potential 
component issues, so... dropout misalignment, maybe?

Andrew in SLC



On Saturday, May 21, 2016 at 2:37:21 PM UTC-6, Lungimsam wrote:
>
> Installed on the bike were:
> Cassette
> Chain
> 4.5mm spacer
> Lube
> Grease for cassette lock ring.
>
> No wobble in cassette/cogs and chain runs good through derailers. Friction 
> only Silver Shifters, D-rings tightened up and in place well. 135mm 
> dropouts. All cogs, except smallest are riveted together, so orientation 
> correct. 
>
> So I can't think of what it could be. Maybe the chain needs to settle in. 
> I only have about 50 miles on it so far. But no chain settling needed on 
> the Sam.
>
> H...Maybe I will inspect the plastic D ring washer on the Silver 
> shifter. I hear those crack sometimes.
> Maybe reset the wheel in the dropouts, too, in case I reinstalled it ajar.
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Experience with mini "half clips" ?

[Andrew Patteson]

I have half clips of various types on all of my bikes.  They're a 
just-right compromise for me.  This kind 
 is 
new to me and I think they are the best of all.

Andrew in SLC

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[RBW] Re: Great quote on cycling from 1953 book

[Andrew Patteson]

Love it - thanks for posting.

Andrew in SLC


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[RBW] Re: Executive Fatlantis riding, Albatross musings, Carradice front-mounting

[Andrew Patteson]

Wow, the ride sounds amazing and the bike looks great too!  Thanks for 
posting; I feel inspired/jealous.  :)

Do you have corroplast or something like that in the bottom of the bag to 
keep it from sagging over the rack?

Cheers,
Andrew in SLC

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[RBW] Re: not so simple simpleone

[Andrew Patteson]

Thanks for the information!  That is a very interesting option.

Andrew in SLC



On Thursday, March 3, 2016 at 1:44:49 PM UTC-7, S. Greco wrote:
>
> Sorry I misspoke, or mistyped rather, the cassette is technically an 8 
> speed cassette of which I am currently running 6 speeds.
> It is a Shimano XT M737. These come in different flavors apparently and if 
> you get one with the raised volcano on the back side it will need to be 
> machined down to just above the rivet, or just less than 1cm removed from 
> the raised area I have circled in red. This is very easy to do on a lathe 
> or mill and really shouldn't be done with any other tools that could leave 
> that side not parallel to the face of the cassette body. The older ones 
> which are flat on the backside should fit fine.
>
>
> <https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-lyu2YQrrbiU/Vtih9QyQgJI/AEA/Cerk08bU6YI/s1600/XT.jpg>
>
>
> - S. Greco
>
> On Wednesday, March 2, 2016 at 4:23:54 PM UTC-5, Andrew Patteson wrote:
>>
>> What a cool bike.  I love the way you have changed it to suit you.  The 
>> shifter on the seatstay is especially great.  May I ask, what 6 speed 
>> cassette works with those narrow bmx freehubs?
>>
>> Thanks for sharing it.
>> Andrew in SLC
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: not so simple simpleone

[Andrew Patteson]

What a cool bike.  I love the way you have changed it to suit you.  The 
shifter on the seatstay is especially great.  May I ask, what 6 speed 
cassette works with those narrow bmx freehubs?

Thanks for sharing it.
Andrew in SLC

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[RBW] Re: Pondering fatherhood

[Andrew Patteson]

Congratulations!  And great comments here.  Everything that Toby said is 
entirely accurate, in my experience.

Andrew in SLC



On Wednesday, February 10, 2016 at 8:09:31 PM UTC-7, Jim Bronson wrote:
>
> Yep yep yep
>

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[RBW] FS/FT: noodles, panniers, tektro levers, pletscher, odds/ends, clothes

[Andrew Patteson]

I'd be interested in the brake pads, bottle cage, and mudflaps if they are 
still available.  Also having trouble with pm.

thanks!
Andrew in SLC 

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[RBW] Re: Winter gloves

[Andrew Patteson]

What Daniel said.  My circulation is poor and I have tried many different 
gloves and many layers of gloves.  Pogies plus light to medium gloves 
(depending on temp) are the best by far.

Andrew in SLC

On Tuesday, January 5, 2016 at 6:38:04 AM UTC-7, Daniel Jackson wrote:
>
> Pogies all the way. 
> Pierogies are tasty treats
> Pogies are toasty
>
>

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[RBW] Re: PSA 65cm Hilsen on CL

[Andrew Patteson]

Very nice...  Hmm, only a 12.5 hour drive for me.  :)



On Tuesday, December 15, 2015 at 12:09:15 PM UTC-7, Sky Coulter wrote:
>
> Seems like a super good price
>
> http://lascruces.craigslist.org/bik/5354825157.html
>
> -Sky in New West, BC
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[RBW] Re: high-setback seatpost

[Andrew Patteson]

Me too.  There's an alloy FSA with that same 32.5mm setback -- the SL-220 
.  
It's not exactly beautiful but it works well.  I have one on a bike but I 
had to pull out the red plug and wrap the post with twine to cover up the 
logo.  They are not made anymore but pop up on ebay from time to time.

Best,
Andrew


On Saturday, September 5, 2015 at 3:32:49 PM UTC-6, Mike Schiller wrote:
>
> Another long femur guy here. Been searching for years.
> That Nitto is the longest one I've see.   FSA has a carbon post with 
> 32.5mm of setback. This Dia Compe Gran Compe aluminum seatpost has 30 mm of 
> setback.  
> http://www.bikewagon.com/gran-compe-27-2-x-250mm-post-silver-seatpost
>
> ~mike
>>
> Carlsbad Ca 
>

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