Re: [RBW] Re: SON DT350 Dynamo Wheelset with Lights

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Price?Sent from my iPhoneOn Apr 30, 2024, at 10:15 AM, Graham McCall  wrote:100mm front, 135mm rear- have end caps to make it 130. On Tuesday, April 30, 2024 at 11:14:32 AM UTC-5 Graham McCall wrote:



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Re: [RBW] Re: PSA: REI "Microlite" insulated stainless steel water bottles with full cover over spout

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Whoops, I got confused. The REI bottles are insulated stainless steel, not plastic. I have both these and the Elites.Sent from my iPhoneOn Feb 28, 2024, at 10:48 AM, Patrick Moore  wrote:Thanks, Benz; I have a couple of the Elite ones and yes, they're very thin but they have that all-important full-cover lid. I wish I could find some of the old ones, typical waterbottle style except for the hinged full-cover lids.On Wed, Feb 28, 2024 at 9:00 AM Benz Ouyang, Sunnyvale, CA  wrote:On Friday, February 23, 2024 at 8:04:38 AM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:BTW, if anyone knows where to find regular uninsulated plastic waterbottles with the full-cover flip-up lid, please let me know. They used to be quite common but I've not been able to find any recently and I'm down to my last one. I use these in warmer weather.Elite makes these in 950mL, 750mL and 550mL variants: https://www.lafobikes.com/products/elite-fly-mtb-black-water-bottle-optionsThese bottles have super thin walls that feel a little like disposable water bottles and not at all like normal water bottles one can get from bike shops. I have them but not long enough to assess overall durability.Elite also offers an insulated version, but I don't have any experience with that: https://www.lafobikes.com/products/elite-ice-fly-water-bottle-500ml-various-colors



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Re: [RBW] Re: Another S3X hub

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And how many spokes does the Bendix hub take?

P

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> On Sep 13, 2016, at 1:43 PM, Mark Parker  wrote:
> 
> Patrick:
> 
> I ran a freewheel for a while on the S3X that I sold you.  While running the 
> freewheel on it, I had trouble at times getting it to shift.  It seemed to 
> shift better for me while running the fixed sprocket when I applied a little 
> backwards force on the pedals.  It was one of the reasons I cleaned it out.  
> I thought perhaps the grease was making it stick.  I still had the shifting 
> trouble after I had cleaned it.  I went back to fixed and didn't have any 
> more trouble with it.  
> 
> My shifting problems were similar to an AW when you shift from first to 
> second.  If you are pedaling hard it stays in first and then when you ease up 
> it goes into second.  Except I couldn't ease up because the freewheel kept me 
> from doing this. It eventually would drop into the correct gear.
> 
> If you really want to play around I have a Bendix manual 2 speed that you 
> could turn into a 2 speed fix, but I have read the lash is quite extreme. It 
> is also not on the light side.   
> 
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> Knoxville, TN
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Re: [RBW] How do you like your first step-through bike?

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This was the universal boy's way of mounting, at least when I was young, in the 
'60s.

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> wrote:
> 
> It hurts to admit it, but I think Sheldon is wrong. First: I have done this 
> without a problem since I learnt to ride in 1948 (but of course I build my 
> own wheels). Second – and the important part: doing the Cowboy Mount – or the 
> Shuffle Start or dismounting in same manner – you lean your body over the 
> bike. The weight is never far to the side and the wheels never at an 
> unfavourable angle.
>  
> Still, it was a revelation when I found Sheldon 1996.
>  
> Olof
>  
> Daniel D. answered:
> Sheldon says no to both of us.
>  
> The Cowboy Mount is popular among cyclists who learned to ride on a bicycle 
> that was too large for them. This dubious technique involves standing next to 
> the bike, putting one foot on a pedal, then swinging the other leg over the 
> saddle while the bicycle is in motion.
>  
> The cowboy mount places the rider's weight on the bicycle while it is leaning 
> over at a sharp angle. This puts considerable lateral stress on the frame and 
> the wheels. Bicycle wheels, in particular, are not designed to withstand 
> serious sideways stresses, and this poor mounting technique is very hard on 
> your wheels.
> 
> On Tuesday, April 26, 2016 at 9:57:29 PM UTC-7, Olof Stroh wrote:
> Lunginsam - whoever that is - wrote: 
> 
> "My wife used to do this cool way of mounting by: 
> 1. L foot on L pedal. 
> 2. Stand on pedal and kick off with R foot on non-drive side, while body is 
> on non-drive side. 
> 3. Slowly raise right leg straight back like doing ballet and swing over rear 
> of bike and sit on saddle while planting R foot on R pedal. 
> I think she used to reverse for dismounting." 
> 
> Your wife´s way is the most comfortable way there is for your joints, I have 
> never understood why people do it any other way. Unless of course if you hav 
> a kid back there, then a good mixte with long stays is appropriate. 
> 
> Cheers 
> 
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[RBW] Re: [BOB] Re: ISO: 32 hole Sturmey Archer S3X hub, later model

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Ia agree, the TF would be just right, but I'm happy to get the S3X.

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> On May 2, 2016, at 6:00 PM, Scott G.  wrote:
> 
> Sturmey brought back the wrong hub, too much lash.
> 
> Next time bring back the TF, two speed hub, direct drive and -25%.
> Oil bath please. Fun fact, old Sturmeys used 12 spline cogs, with a lock ring,
> same lock ring as used on track bikes today.
> 
> 
> A Rohloff built AM would be a thing of beauty.
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> Tin Cans shall return!
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Re: [RBW] Re: Off Topic, but perhaps not by much: Mac and Ubuntu compatible music manager?

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That is all more than I need to know; I want merely a format common to most 
apps and devices -- if this is possible.

Thanks.

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> 
>   Save them to what format ? mp3(what bitrate ?) , flac(lossless), OGG, etc. ?
> 
> I use K3B to rip cd's .  OGG(adjustable quality) and flac save quick . Mp3's 
> are saved @128kbs only and this can be changed but it is not so simple , 
> darnit ! 
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> If you're not saving for portable use flac or OGG are "best" .  
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Re: [RBW] Parts bin clean out -lots of good Riv stuff

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I didn't see a list...?

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> Not sure what you're referring to Patrick.  Is something not showing up?
>> On Sunday, February 14, 2016 at 6:16:19 PM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote:
>> What stuff?
>> 
>> 
>> On Sun, Feb 14, 2016 at 5:14 PM, Chad  wrote:
>> Please feel free to make me a reasonable offer on any of this stuff.  I need 
>> to pay off the new Roadeo :-)
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Re: [RBW] Clementine: Weird tire tubes

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My Zefal, Impero, Lezenes, Specialized, and Blackburn pumps all have worked 
fine for years on such unthreaded Presta stems.

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> On Dec 27, 2015, at 6:30 PM, Reid  wrote:
> 
> Hello All,
> 
> My wife's Clementine needed a screw replaced, that required removing the rear 
> wheel, that required letting out the air from the tire. So fine, everything 
> goes well, remount the wheel and then ... The tube's stem is probably the 
> latest and greatest, but I've never seen it before. The stem is a very smooth 
> tube with no threads below the nipple at the end. None of my pumps can grip 
> the tube tightly enough to hold air. Anyone know what gives? Is there some 
> special pump head that works on this weird stem? Is this just one more 
> example of the kind of "progress" and "New and Improved" that is actually 
> non-functional?
> 
> Grumpy and gripey.
> 
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[RBW] Re: [BOB] FS: pedals, f and r derailleurs; saddle

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Looks can be very deceiving.

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> FWIW, the FD looks like a Campy Mirage not an LX.
> 
>> On Sep 22, 2015 5:08 PM, "Patrick Moore"  wrote:
>> 1. As new (~15 miles only) MKS Urban pedals with Christophe large clips and 
>> leather straps. $65 shipped CONUS. Smooth bearings. I find I prefer 
>> walking in SPD shoes to riding in walking shoes.
>> 
>> 2. LX fd, vg: $22 shipped CONUS.
>> 
>> 3. XT 8 speed rd, dirty but otherwise vg pulleys smooth, no play. $35 
>> shipped CONUS.
>> 
>> 4. Vetta Comfort Flex saddle, vinyl cover, vg, $18 shipped CONUS.
>> 
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[RBW] Re: [BOB] FS: pedals, f and r derailleurs; saddle

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I apologize! It is a Mirage!

Sorry.

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> Looks can be very deceiving.
> 
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>> On Sep 22, 2015, at 6:20 PM, Chris Cullum  wrote:
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>> FWIW, the FD looks like a Campy Mirage not an LX.
>> 
>>> On Sep 22, 2015 5:08 PM, "Patrick Moore"  wrote:
>>> 1. As new (~15 miles only) MKS Urban pedals with Christophe large clips and 
>>> leather straps. $65 shipped CONUS. Smooth bearings. I find I prefer 
>>> walking in SPD shoes to riding in walking shoes.
>>> 
>>> 2. LX fd, vg: $22 shipped CONUS.
>>> 
>>> 3. XT 8 speed rd, dirty but otherwise vg pulleys smooth, no play. $35 
>>> shipped CONUS.
>>> 
>>> 4. Vetta Comfort Flex saddle, vinyl cover, vg, $18 shipped CONUS.
>>> 
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[RBW] Re: [BOB] Re: FS: MKS AR-2 quick release/"Rinko" pedals

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> Pedals claimed pending payment.
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>>> On Sep 10, 2015, at 9:01 AM, Brad <riendeau.bradf...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Consider them sold.  Contact me off list so that we can arrange payment.
>>> 
>>>> On Wednesday, September 9, 2015 at 12:20:06 PM UTC-4, bertin753 wrote:
>>>> I got these on my new-to-me Dahon Solo and they look unused. I prefer my 
>>>> new MKS Urban pedals, so these are for sale.
>>>> 
>>>> $56 shipped CONUS.
>>>> 
>>>> Will toss in a newly acquired but not needed gold pair of L Minoura 
>>>> aluminum (lightweight) toe clips for additional $10 shipped.
>>>> 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Double leg Kickstands... lets talk

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Actually, I e read that the chai stay bridge doesn't have a structural function.

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 Here are my latest thoughts:
 
 We are looking at this wrong.  Although damage could happen from overloading 
 and/or falling over when the kickstand is deployed, I think the real issue is 
 simply the weight of the double-legger itself.  It weighs 25.6 oz, whereas, 
 the single only 9.2 oz.  The double-legger weighs almost three times as much. 
  I think the damage described in this thread is related to the kickstand 
 plate supporting the weight of the double-legger while riding; not while 
 parked and sitting stationary.  And this is why Rivendell is now warning us 
 to use the top support plate.  It takes the burden of supporting the weight 
 while riding off the plate and spreads it across the top of the two 
 chainstays.
 
 Furthermore, the kickstand plate is an integral part of the frame.  If you 
 look at any other bicycle you will see a cross member of some sort in place 
 of a plate.  Theoretically, the plate may be stronger because it is wider but 
 that is beside the point.  Some kind of cross member support is necessary in 
 this location.  If the kickstand plate were to become detached from one of my 
 chainstay's I would consider the frame broken and would not continue to ride 
 until it was fixed.  And, if the kickstand plate was deformed I would think 
 the frame could be considered bent, and if nothing else out of alignment.
 
 These are just my thoughts.  Hopefully Riv will share theirs.
 
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[RBW] Re: Very initial impressions of new Elk Pass 559 X 32 mm tire.

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BTW, the Elk in front measures - brand new - 27.41 mm on a 19 mm rim. I daresay 
it will expand with use. I like it as is and I'll like it if it gets wider.

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 On Aug 13, 2015, at 3:52 PM, Patrick Moore bertin...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I posted earlier about receiving and mounting these on the RBW list. I just 
 got back from a not very long ride -- 21 miles out and back along the 
 currently smoothly paved Rio Grande recreational trail. 
 
 I emphasize that these are initial impressions from one ride.
 
 Conditions: Annoying sidewind from west. I felt tired -- fighting off a cold 
 occasioned by massive allergy attack on Tuesday; in short, I was dogging it. 
 46 X 15 X 24.8.
 
 1. Smooth! Nuf said!
 2. Ride: they *seem* to require less effort for a given speed. 
 
 I had been thinking of gearing down because, with the 75 gear and the Pro 
 Races, the tendons between inner thigh and groin quickly felt strained -- I'd 
 have to stand and pedal briefly for relief. When I put the cogs back on 
 today, I installed a 16 on the flip side of the 15, for a ~71 gear. In fact, 
 despite the slightly shorter rim -- 559 versus 571 -- the Elks are taller, so 
 that the effective wheel diameter is a wee bit higher than with the 650C X 23 
 racing tires, about 76. 
 
 At any rate, I was anticipating this tendon strain, and was surprised to find 
 that it did not happen. I was taking it easy, of course, but so was I on 
 Sunday, averaging about the same speed on the Michelins.
 
 I averaged 16.3 with 2 stops to pump up the front tire -- more on this below 
 -- and a stop at the bank. I stopped one more time for a drink and to pump, 
 but turned off Cycle meter.
 
 The ride is wonderful. I *do not* associate road buzz with speed; if 
 anything, I associate speed with a sort of firm smoothness that I 
 experienced with the Parigi Roubaix; the Elks seem to exhibit this even more.
 
 I noticed that tire pressure, which thanks to the 2 (visible) goatheads I 
 picked up on the front, varied from about 40 to 60, seemed to make very 
 little difference to the feel of speed. 
 
 I've noticed that inferior tires (559X32 Pasela -- non Tourguard; a 240 
 gram tires; Avocet Fastgrip, admittedly old; Tioga City Slicker) feel very 
 different at different pressures. The P-Rs, the Kojaks, and even more the 
 Elks, seem to roll the same at very different pressures -- I didn't notice my 
 leaks until the tire started bouncing and sagging under cornering pressures.
 
 3. Susceptibility to punctures: if today's ride is any indication of longer 
 term performance, these things are goathead magnets. I pumped the front tire 
 3 times within 21 miles -- tho' after the last stop, pressure seemed to hold. 
 ~1 3/4 oz of sealant in each tire. The rear did not puncture.
 
 I'll have to install tire savers!
 
 4. Handling -- in particular, grip in turns. Too early to say, really. My 
 initial very vague impression is that the 650C X 23 (22 actual) Pro Race 3s 
 feel a wee bit more secure in turns, but after all, this is a fixed gear and 
 I don't dive into corners.
 
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Re: [RBW] Re: BQ to publish study of pedal retention usefulness in Summer issue

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I pull up especially when I'm grunting up a hill at very low cadence, which of 
course means standing and hauling on the bar. I'll see how much torque I lose 
with clipless-less-ness.

Need closed shoes because of dirt and pebbles. Will look at 5-10 and also 
atGoodwill.



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 there is no question with platform pedals you give up pull with a high-rev 
 spin up hills.  But for me, the advantages of foot placement flexibility 
 along with instant ingress and egress more than make up for it.  
 If you're grunting on a 70-inch gear, you should stand up anyway and lose the 
 pull regardless.  
 
 On Tuesday, June 9, 2015 at 2:56:20 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
 I shall have to try it. But what about really steep hills? I find that I not 
 only pull down on the bar, but pull up on the pedal. Would losing the last 
 be a handicap?
 
 I mean such occasions as grunting a 40 lb load up a very steep 1/4 to 1/2 
 mile hill up the side of a mesa in a 70 gear. Again, street shoes with 
 straps didn't cut it. Pulling up is required (for me) for the steepest parts 
 -- I think; that's what I need to test again.
 
 Tho' I'm getting to old not to get off an walk in such instances ...
 
 
 
 On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 1:52 PM, Deacon Patrick lamon...@mac.com wrote:
 Retention free works high or low cadence for me. When I read Jan's jar 
 lid example, I thought Uh, pedal/handlebar does the same thing so I 
 personally suspect less difference in efficiency than retention vs. body 
 weight only. I'm not limited to my body weight on the downstroke when 
 pulling up on my handlebars.
 
 With abandon,
 Patrick
 
 On Tuesday, June 9, 2015 at 12:56:08 PM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote:
 I wonder if no-retention works best if you pedal small gears at a highish 
 cadence, rather than if you mash. Can anyone comment on this?
 
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Re: [RBW] Re: A Thank You to Everyone Here

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Ime, stiff tires need higher pressure so as not to feel like cold molasses. 
Your choice is between sluggish and harsh -- and both sluggish and harsh 
compared to supple tires, no matter what your pressure.

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 On Jun 10, 2015, at 8:14 PM, dougP dougpn...@cox.net wrote:
 
 John:
 
 Most Schwalbe tires have much, much stiffer sidewalls than Compass, Soma, and 
 other supple tires.  Even at low pressures they will ride more harshly.  
 One of my favorite tires for loaded touring is the Marathon Supreme, and I 
 can tell little difference between 50 psi  70 psi.  The standard issue 
 Marathon or Marathon Plus is even stiffer, heavier  more harsh.  So when you 
 try the Marathons again, keep the air pressure on the lower end of the 
 suggested range.  Personally I use the lowest number on the sidewall and 
 don't pump them up until they feel a bit mushy.  OTH, once you've grow 
 accustomed to supple tires you may not go back to Marathons except for 
 situations calling for a stout tire.
 
 dougP
 
 On Wednesday, June 10, 2015 at 11:31:43 AM UTC-7, John wrote:
 Hi,
 
 I wanted to thank everyone for all the advice and information you've 
 shared. You've given me the clues I needed to start navigating all the 
 variables involved in setting up a bike.
 
 My wife was unhappy and mystified why she didn't like her Betty as much as 
 the ones she rode at Riv. Reading experiences here with the Compass tires 
 made me think her Marathons might be part of the problem. I put the 26 
 Compass tires on her 47cm Betty, swapped out her Brooks B18  seat post for 
 a B68  a lugged seat post, and...magic!  Those Compass tires vanquished all 
 the road noise on even our worst streets, and she could now tell me what 
 else needed fine tuning. And Will at Riv shortened her seat post 1.5cm for 
 me making this possible.
 
 So thank you everyone! My wife and her Betty are very happy!
 
 Seeing what a difference those tires made, I put the Barlow Pass tires on my 
 Hunqapillar. Now I can tell the difference between road noise, and saddle 
 induced torture. I've been trying a bunch of different saddles, not 
 realizing the road noise made it impossible to tell the difference between a 
 saddle that didn't fit and a butt that needed breaking in. Those Barlow pass 
 tires are heaven!
 
 Maybe once my butt is thoroughly broken in, I can try out those Marathons 
 again.
 
 Thank you, you people are great!
 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Random thoughts on comfort, speed, and wool in hot weather

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Did the Sweetpea replace the Ram? What are the differences in ride/handling? Is 
the SP better?

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 On May 28, 2015, at 4:35 PM, Lynne Fitz fitzb...@comcast.net wrote:
 
 I've worn a wool jersey when the temp was well into the 90s.  Riding my 
 Rivendell.  On the Wildflower Century.
 
 https://flic.kr/p/4JxsDp
 
 On Thursday, May 28, 2015 at 2:57:36 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
 Fighting what I hope is a fugitive cold, my ride this afternoon was very 
 brief, 10.5 miles, out 'n' back on the bike path, on the gofast. Breezy, 6 
 miles or so in the hooks, thinking about comfort.
 
 In a way, sure, sitting upright is more comfortable, but on the other hand, 
 riding at anything over 8 mph into a 10 mph headwind sitting bolt upright 
 would be, for me, very uncomfortable, for quads and butt especially, and, I 
 daresay, for shoulders and neck as well; as would be shoving unnecessary 
 weight and rolling resistance down the road. Believe me, knobs on a 29 
 front tire do catch a headwind!
 
 The gofast just responds so efficiently to pedal strokes -- I averaged 16+ 
 outbound and 17+ return, keeping my effort down because (especially toward 
 the end) I could feel the cold dragging me down.
 
 I'm not really boasting -- I'm much slower than I was 10 years ago, and a 
 young 40 something with aero bars left me behind at a 5 mph differential; 
 but it is to me rather remarkable how efficient light, nice-rolling wheels 
 and efficient position feel, even when you are taking it easy.
 
 Upshot: there is more than one way to have fun on a bike.
 
 Tomorrow, God willing, I'll feel up to a nice 1-2 hour ride, off- and 
 onroad, on the Fargo.
 
 In other news: 86*F, granted only 10% humidity, but a standard weight merino 
 ss jersey felt pretty good -- feels pretty good as I sit inside and type. 
 I'm experimenting to see how hot I can wear good wool; I really hate 
 synthetics, which stink after 15 minutes, and I'd rather wear something that 
 doesn't flap in the wind, as long as it's comfortable.
 
 Back to resumes and LI profiles.
 
 Patrick cough, cough Moore, who is rediscovering the pleasures of his 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Bags for small bike owners (48cm Hunqs, 47cm Sams, Atlanti, etc.)

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Fwiw, the size 45 mtb shoes go in and out easily.

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 The Pika is not as convenient as a Nelson or Sackville; the load space is 
 essentially a tube. But if you pack smart -- pull out the lock you'll need 
 mid ride so it's not at the bottom -- it's OK; better IMO than dragging on 
 the tire or needing a strap around the middle.
 
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 Thanks for all the great suggestions!
 
 I had a Viva for a minute but my thoughts were that it was so heavy, I may 
 has well put a rear rack on there.
 
 Frame bags are interesting though I hear they rub off the frame's paint.  
 That wouldn't bother me on a battle machine but, on the Hunq, not sure I can 
 allow that.
 '
 Patrick -- regarding the Pika, how easy or difficult is it to pack and 
 unpack mid ride, pack in groceries, pull out a cable lock, grab your jacket, 
 stuff it back in, etc.?
 
 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Bags for small bike owners (48cm Hunqs, 47cm Sams, Atlanti, etc.)

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The Pika is not as convenient as a Nelson or Sackville; the load space is 
essentially a tube. But if you pack smart -- pull out the lock you'll need mid 
ride so it's not at the bottom -- it's OK; better IMO than dragging on the tire 
or needing a strap around the middle.

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 Thanks for all the great suggestions!
 
 I had a Viva for a minute but my thoughts were that it was so heavy, I may 
 has well put a rear rack on there.
 
 Frame bags are interesting though I hear they rub off the frame's paint.  
 That wouldn't bother me on a battle machine but, on the Hunq, not sure I can 
 allow that.
 '
 Patrick -- regarding the Pika, how easy or difficult is it to pack and unpack 
 mid ride, pack in groceries, pull out a cable lock, grab your jacket, stuff 
 it back in, etc.?
 
 
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Re: [RBW] S3X hub for one of my Rivs; particular question about QR-type shifting setup.

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Thanks Mark -- am still debating whether to use direct or 75% as the cruising 
gear but have ordered both 17 and 14 t cogs. I suppose it all depends on how 
bad I find the drag in gear 2. The ideal would be 2d as cruising gear, though.

Patrick

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 On Mar 22, 2015, at 4:33 AM, Mark Parker mparker...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I have chimed in before as well and the only other comment I will add is that 
 I run the 2nd gear as my cruising gear and have 1st as my bailout gear and 
 3rd as my downhill gear.  I really enjoy the 80's downhill gear and find 
 myself in that gear quite a bit.  1st is also low enough that I rarely have 
 to walk up.
 
 I can feel the drag in 1st  2nd, but I can feel it more in 1st.  I am rarely 
 in first so that is not a big deal.
 
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Re: [RBW] Sackville Saddle Bag XSmall question

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I used the Medium without loops, just strapping it directly to the rails of th 
Flite.

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 On Sep 12, 2014, at 2:59 PM, Michael Hechmer mhech...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Will the extra small bag work without bag loops on the saddle?  I'm looking 
 for a small bag to carry a spare  tools, leaving my front bag free to move 
 from bike to bike, but my old but great Selle Anatomic saddle lack bag loops. 
  Now I'm using a Barley and SQR, but rarely need that much capacity.
 
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Re: [RBW] Swappin' wheelsets question...

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All true, and I bow and cringe in acknowledgement.

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 On Aug 21, 2014, at 8:08 PM, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote:
 
 On 08/21/2014 09:58 PM, Patrick Moore wrote:
 The only danger is that the off wheelset will be jealous. But don't worry. 
 Just kick it into a dark corner and let it sulk.
 
 No, of course not! You might want to be careful to see that the inner and 
 outer limit adjustment screws are just right for the newly installed 
 wheelset, but otherwise, what can go wrong?
 
 Well, nobody's said anything about the width of the rims, or about whether 
 the brakes will need adjusting.  That could add a little complexity to the 
 equation, if the rims are very different from one another.
 
 And while the chains may be the same, nobody has said whether the cassettes 
 -- especially the largest sprockets -- are the same.   In fact, although the 
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Re: [RBW] Swappin' wheelsets question...

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Wait: chains? There is only one chain, as far as the story goes.

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 All true, and I bow and cringe in acknowledgement.
 
 Patrick Moore
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 On 08/21/2014 09:58 PM, Patrick Moore wrote:
 The only danger is that the off wheelset will be jealous. But don't 
 worry. Just kick it into a dark corner and let it sulk.
 
 No, of course not! You might want to be careful to see that the inner and 
 outer limit adjustment screws are just right for the newly installed 
 wheelset, but otherwise, what can go wrong?
 
 Well, nobody's said anything about the width of the rims, or about whether 
 the brakes will need adjusting.  That could add a little complexity to the 
 equation, if the rims are very different from one another.
 
 And while the chains may be the same, nobody has said whether the cassettes 
 -- especially the largest sprockets -- are the same.   In fact, although the 
 chains may be the same brand, do we know that they are the same length?
 
 
 
 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Un-racer compact crankset question.

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My sub compact double (38-24) uses the same XD2 and LX fd as the prior triple 
(46-36-24). I didn't even move the fd.

Patrick Moore
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 On Aug 14, 2014, at 11:33 PM, lungimsam john11.2...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 So sounds like its doable if I wanna play with it one day.
 But costly, as I'll need new derailers and cranks, maybe bb and custom 
 toothed rings. Maybe something to prepare as the wallet allows for future try 
 out.
 
 Compass cycles Rene Herse cranks would be cool because you can change the 
 rings without having to remove the crank arm, if I remember right,  which 
 would be great for an un-mechanic like myself.
 
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Re: [RBW] Re: The Rivendell Bike Weight Thread

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Ram at Mom's!

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 On Aug 15, 2014, at 8:56 PM, Don Compton dpco...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Patrick,
 For some reason, I thought you owned a Ram.
 
 On Friday, August 15, 2014 4:10:50 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
 I remembered to weight the Fargo last night -- using a hi tek, $8 Deal 
 Extreme digital luggage scale: T handle gauge with nylon strap. Removed the 
 very large Jandd Mountain Wedge (big enough for a change of clothing -- 
 pants and shirt -- if you roll tightly, this in addition to tubes, tools, 
 and Lezyne), so bare nekkid except for 3 bottle cages. 29.5 lb (actually 
 varied between 28 and change and 29.7, but more readings in the mid-29 
 range).
 
 Riv #3 -- 58 cm c-c 559 wheeled fixie --  newly washed, 3 readings: 22.34, 
 22.63, 22.7 for average of 22.56 lb with lights, HpX, 2 Irises, and half 
 full medium sized Ruthworks wedge with 2 tubes and various small tools -- 
 surprised me at how light it is.
 
 #2 gofast (57 c-c fixed, one bottle cage) steady at 17.75.
 
 Ram at Mom's.
 
 
 
 
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Re: [RBW] looking for opinions on the Rivendell Roadeo

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That's a good weight for a bike equipped with Brooks and lugged sp and stem. 

Patrick Moore
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 On Aug 2, 2014, at 10:17 PM, RJM crccpadu...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I can ride the Roadeo no handed if I need to...it isn't squirrely. I have no 
 problem going 40+ mph down a hill if I feel like it; the bike is stable and 
 forgiving and turns really well. I was just riding the bike today and thought 
 to myself self, this bike rocks so much. I don't think I would change a 
 thing as it is perfect for what I want to do with a pure road bike. And then 
 I kept riding with a smile on my face
 
 Mine weighs 20.8 lbs using the bathroom scale; I used the difference between 
 myself holding the bike and just myself.
 
 I did not pick anything to be especially light on the build, but I did build 
 it with some good quality modern components. Kind of a mixture between old 
 school and new school stuff.
 
 53cm, no fenders or lights. I use it for solo and club riding when I just 
 want to push the speed up. It is faster than my Sam Hillborne.
 
 Ultegra 6800 groupset w/ 50x34 compact crankset.
 Rolf Vigor RS wheelset
 11x28 cassette (Ultegra 6800)
 Nitto Mark's Handlebars
 Look Keo Classic pedals
 32mm Compass Stampede Pass tires (regular not ultra light ones)
 Tektro R539 brakes
 Chris King headset (threaded)
 Nitto Lugged quill stem
 Brooks B17 Select
 Nitto S83 seatpost
 2 wire bottle cages, the kind every bike store in the world carries.
 Nitto Bar Plugs
 Newbaums cloth tape (twined and shellacked)
 Garmin mount for bike computer
 
 
 On Saturday, August 2, 2014 10:22:32 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
 Weight contest! (C'mon, you know you want it.)
 
 Roadeo owners: tell us the true built but not laden weight of your bike. 
 Built but not laden means: ready to ride, with pedals, saddle, bottle cages, 
 and fenders, lights, racks and so forth if you have them, but not bottles, 
 bags, pumps, repair kits, and so forth -- the stuff you add to your bike 
 after it is built -- stuff that isn't clamped or bolted on. Saddlebags and 
 panniers aren't ditto on. And tell us about the fenders and lights and such, 
 and also tell us about the size (seat tube, c-c).
 
 
 
 
 On Sat, Aug 2, 2014 at 8:41 PM, cyclotourist cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:
 Roadeo sounds like the bike for you! I think the end weight will be a bit 
 higher though, unless you put some $$$ into some lightweight build 
 components. If that's your plan though, it should be great!
 
 Cheers,
 David
 
 it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride. - Seth Vidal
 
 
 
 
 
 On Sat, Aug 2, 2014 at 12:57 PM, dicktill dick...@hotmail.com wrote:
 As the subject says, I'm looking for opinions on the Rivendell Roadeo.
 
 I generally do 20-50 solo mile rides at speeds in the 14-16 mph average 
 range with an average of 30-50 ft elevation gain per mile. So light-ish 
 weight is nice, but not critical; i.e., an 18-20 pound bike is fine. But 
 I'm looking for a bike that puts stability over cutting-edge cornering or 
 descending (I'm a weenie, and don't descend at over 30 mph). Would love 
 it if I could learn to ride this bike no-hands for a bit now and then, 
 like if I have to zip up my jersey or jacket (like the guys on the TdF); 
 can't do that now on my current road bike (Airborne Zeppelin).
 
 Thanks in advance, Dick
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Re: [RBW] Re: NYTimes: With carbon fiber replacing steel, bikes shatter in crashes

[Bertin753]

He delighted to tread upon the brink of meaning.


Patrick Moore
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 On Jul 27, 2014, at 3:51 PM, Garth garth...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 
 I'm not speaking of what was or even what appears to be.  All of that is 
 old news . So all arguments for what appears to be , are for nothing but more 
 self imposed limitations.  
 
 And that's fine for those who want that :) 
 
 But everyone hungers for something .  . .  . and there is no hunger of the 
 imagination that does not go satiated !  
 
 
 Again, nothing exists . . .. NOTHING  . . . that was not first imagined to 
 exist .   Without the imagination , the hunger for something greater that 
 what appears to be .  . .  . there is nothing to experience  . 
 
 
 
 
 On Sunday, July 27, 2014 5:37:15 PM UTC-4, Steve Palincsar wrote:
 On 07/27/2014 04:58 PM, Garth wrote: 
  
  Oh  idk .  ..  . I really wonder how many die hard steel 
  enthusiasts would own a carbon(or some future iteration of it) frame 
  if they could get it the exact same dimensions as their fav steel 
  version.  With all the mounting points, etc. 
 
 Don't count on it.  When BQ tested their first Calfee the question was 
 raised about rack mounts, and Calfee provided a response in a side bar: 
 if a bike falls over with a load on a rack, it puts an off-angle stress 
 on the rack and mounting points.  Carbon  frames when subjected to that 
 kind of stress tend to split, like a cane of bamboo.  (In fact, I know 
 two people in the local bike club who had carbon frames with downtubes 
 that split when the bikes fell over with full water bottles.)  So Calfee 
 says mount a rack with a P-clamp, so that when the bike falls over the 
 rack will shift rather than split the tube. 
 
 There's another issue as well: the economics of molded carbon (1st copy 
 costs a million bucks, 2nd copy costs 10 cents) vs metal, where 1st, 2nd 
 and nth copy cost the same.  Those Riv-style bikes just aren't as 
 popular these days as road racers, and the economics of low volume 
 production with carbon are punishing compared with metals. 
 
 
  I suspect many would own at least one such bike, if not already.  And 
  please, do not say such a frame doesn't exist , it may not exist 
  here and now, but just because it is not seen before the eyes, does 
  not mean it does not and will not exist .
 
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Re: [RBW] Zefal Hpx size large for sale

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Peter: if this is the older or legacy design (still made I think) in the #4 
size (compresses from ~50 to ~56 cm), I will take it.

Thanks.

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 On Jun 29, 2014, at 8:40 PM, Peter Morgano uscpeter11...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 New condition. I am too clumsy with the double TT to not grab it instead of 
 the top tube when I carry it downstairs. Figure I should sell before I ruin 
 it one day. $25 shipped obo. Thanks!
 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Square taper spindle bolt torque

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Grease. Didn't Jan just discuss this in typically thorough fashion somewhere? 
Per him, the grease is needed for a good fit.

Also  I've read --Jobst? -- that you torque it properly, with grease, and leave 
it alone forever (unless you need to remove it, of course) since repeated 
tightening will enlarge the hole and ruin it.

Patrick Moore
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 On May 27, 2014, at 10:33 AM, 'hangtownmatt' via RBW Owners Bunch 
 rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com wrote:
 
 My Sugino non-drive side crank arm came loose also.  I've had to re-torque it 
 several times since (approx. 5,000 miles) and will need to replace it when I 
 run out of spindle real estate (i.e. soon).  Here's a question for the group: 
  When you install a crank arm do you put a little grease on the bottom 
 bracket spindle or do you install it dry?  I used grease.  I was taught a 
 long time ago to use a small amount of grease to prevent creaking.  I've 
 never had a problem before, but am wondering if this may be the reason it  
 came loose.
 
 Matt
 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Square taper spindle bolt torque

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That's what I had in mind.

Patrick Moore
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 On May 27, 2014, at 10:52 AM, Chris Chen cc...@nougat.org wrote:
 
 There's a pretty good discussion on this post: 
 http://janheine.wordpress.com/2012/04/16/to-grease-or-not-to-grease/
 
 
 On Tue, May 27, 2014 at 9:33 AM, 'hangtownmatt' via RBW Owners Bunch 
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 My Sugino non-drive side crank arm came loose also.  I've had to re-torque 
 it several times since (approx. 5,000 miles) and will need to replace it 
 when I run out of spindle real estate (i.e. soon).  Here's a question for 
 the group:  When you install a crank arm do you put a little grease on the 
 bottom bracket spindle or do you install it dry?  I used grease.  I was 
 taught a long time ago to use a small amount of grease to prevent creaking.  
 I've never had a problem before, but am wondering if this may be the reason 
 it  came loose.
 
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Re: [RBW] One last time: 559X 32 mm Kojaks versus 559X 32 mm Primo Racers versus others?

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Thanks, Pete. I am going to investigate the Somas in more detail. 

I'm glad people are still making the occasional decent, narrower, 559 road tire.

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 On May 21, 2014, at 6:07 PM, Pete Olson apolso...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I put the 26x1.25 New Express Tires on my wife's small frame Rambouillet last 
 season.  They are listed as 330 grams on the Soma paper strip that held them 
 together.  They measure about 28.5mm wide on the stock, road oriented rims, 
 which is just about the same as the previous 1.25 Paselas.  No flats so far.  
 -Pete
 
 On Wednesday, May 21, 2014 9:25:44 AM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
 Many thanks, Chris, I'd not heard of these. If it is obviously better than 
 the Pasela, then it's certainly worth investigating. I'll check them out.
 
 
 OS125 cbar...@ase.tufts.edu said:
 
 I recently went to the Soma New Express tire in 700 X 32, and have found it 
 to be an exceptionally smooth-running tire. Soma lists a 26 x 1.25 version 
 in stock. The difference in suppleness of ride between this tire and a 
 Pasela TG is quite obvious to me. The bike feels like a different machine. 
 The nature of my commute, and my unerring ability to ride straight over 
 sparkly bits regardless of how much room and warning is given, assures the 
 flat protection in the new tires would be tested. It has not been found 
 wanting. 
 
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Re: [RBW] 7-speed cassette with XD@ cranks and Deore derailers ok to run on a Blue Sam?

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Try shifting 9 with friction before you buy anything new. It might work for 
you. It certainly works for me.

Patrick just went to *8* in back!!!Moore

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 On May 21, 2014, at 1:53 PM, Michael john11.2...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I have 9, want to go to 8. But am thinking for better friction shifting go 
 whole hog and get a 7 speed cassette and chain.
 
 Can I do that on a Sam with XT front derailer and Deore rear?
 
 Does chainline factor in, or is a shimano 7 speed cassette the same width as 
 an 8 speed? Will the 7 speed chain fit the derailer cages?
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Re: [RBW] Chain Catchers

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I got a catcher installed on the Fargo a couple of years ago after throwing the 
chain often when downshifting to the middle ring, the last time jamming it 
between granny and stay and bending the middle ring almost to right angle.
 It's mostly black plastic with a metal guard to displace the chain and cost me 
about $10 from a high end shop. I've forgotten the maker I'm afraid. I've not 
dropped the chain since.

Patrick Moore 
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 On May 18, 2014, at 7:52 PM, Edwin W dweenda...@hotmail.com wrote:
 
 Never heard of such a thing. I run my Sam 1x8 and occasionally throw my chain 
 off the 40t front ring. I think it is usually going fast downhill, maybe 
 shifting into the smallest rear cog while hitting a bump? I have a 26t ring 
 up front for emergencies (used once in 2k miles) so I have been reluctant to 
 put something up front. 
 Being more careful on fast bumpy descents would help. 
 Any other tips from you wise folks?
 
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Re: [RBW] Re: S-A S3X W/freewheel vs Single for Fauxbeam

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I thought the gaps of the S3X were the same as those of th AW, 25% drops. In 
what way are they tighter? Is love a close ratio 3 speed hub.

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 On May 15, 2014, at 1:47 PM, Avery Wilson avewil...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I'm not unhappy with my 72 gear ratio right now.  It does get a little tough 
 pulling the bike trailer with 75 lbs of toddlers on board, but nothing I 
 can't handle in completely flat downtown Indianapolis on our wide bike paths. 
 Other than trailer pulling, 72 is perfect for my fitness and where I live :)
 
  I will not be running the S3X fixed, so the couple degrees of play before 
 forward/backward engagement isn't much of a factor for me.
 
 Things I like about the S3X over a standard three speed:
 
 Direct drive in high gear,
 No clicking in low gears,
 Transferring the engagement pawls to a replaceable external freewheel,
 Tighter, more usable ratios.
 
 I've had several 3 speeds, including a Nexus 3 disc hub doing service on my 
 29er, but the gaps between ratios, and the high gear being in the middle 
 aren't something I wanted for this bike.
 
 So, the real question I'm getting at is this:  Does the S3X hub provide good 
 trailer-pulling, bail-out, wind, and hill gears without sacrificing too much 
 efficiency in the high, direct drive gear? I would likely keep it at 72.
 
 Thanks!
 
 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Dura Ace 7410 cranks -- Pretty!

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Thanks; but no need for a triple. I'll just run really big cogs -- am thinking 
of perhaps 16-26.

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 On May 7, 2014, at 8:37 PM, Dave Johnston jdi...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 If you want to turn it into a triple I think Ted Durrant / Willow still has 
 some tripilzers for blow out prices.  You would of course need a longer BB to 
 use it as a triple though. I picked up a 40t Tripilizer for the 7410 crank I 
 recently paid a lot more for. I also picked up a more practical 49t outer 
 ring for dirt cheap.
 
 
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Re: [RBW] Hip Replacement (not much Riv content)

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Very glad the surgery seems to have been successful. Best wishes for a speedy 
recovery.

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 On May 2, 2014, at 10:42 PM, Robert F. Harrison rfharri...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 As an owner of both a QB and Hunq (there's the riv content), I am completely 
 relieved that my left hip replacement went very well. Those of you who saw me 
 on my Bike Friday at RAGBRAI 2013 will remember I had a cane with me and 
 limped around when off the bike.
 
 I had anterior method surgery on Monday, went home on Wednesday, and today I 
 had my first out of hospital PT session. I am doing well enough that I was 
 allowed to get on a stationary bike just to see how I'd do. I did about five 
 minutes pedaling around 80 RPM with no pain. They had to make me get off 
 (though the soft saddle would have done that soon enough anyway). 
 
 Luckily my PT guy knows a bit about biking so he didn't argue about setting 
 the saddle high enough. I only had to ask him to move it up higher twice. 
 
 I'm not sure how long it'll be before I'm cleared to ride a real bike but I 
 don't think it'll be all that long (and I'm going to be learning how to walk 
 for a while because while I've been able to ride for the last two years 
 walking has become more and more difficult).
 
 That's it. I'll be back on the road soon.
 
 Aloha All!
 
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[RBW] Long shot: WTT DA 7400 7 sp shifters for 8

[Bertin753]

I just came into a nice 7400 crank to replace the ultra compact TA, and I'd 
like to run, and index, 8 instead of 7 cogs to regain some of the range lost by 
going to considerably larger cogs (say 17-28 with the 53/39 vs 13-23 for the 
44/30). The gaps in back diminish as the cogs get bigger.

Don't worry, I know what I am doing.

Poss may have a 7400 fd or rd to swap, too.

OR, could use a set of Retrofrictions and simply abandon the indexing. 

Thanks.

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Re: [RBW] Fwd: Geometry, climbing, what's going on?

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*Very* interesting. What more particularly are you experiencing when you cling 
so slowly with such low gears? Front end wobble? It would help to know more 
precisely what exactly you experience.

I've never been good at balancing at very low speeds; I really do fall over if 
I go too slowly. But I'd like to know more exactly why you can't just gear down 
and track more slowly with a lower gear.


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 On Apr 25, 2014, at 9:27 PM, Anne Paulson anne.paul...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  
 I'm a big fan of low, low gears. I have them on both my Atlantises; my Roadeo 
 has pretty low gears too considering I never carry much on it. People always 
 say to me, I don't want lower gears because then I couldn't balance. I 
 never understood that. I don't have a bit of problem riding at 2.5 mph for 
 long periods of time when I'm climbing something ridiculously steep on one of 
 my Rivendell bikes.
 
 But now I understand. I thought when I bought my new Surly Krampus mountain 
 bike I'd be able to climb even steeper dirt roads than I now can climb on my 
 Atlanti. I thought, I have an absurdly low gear on the Krampus (15.6 inches, 
 something like that), I have all the traction in the world, I can climb 
 anything.
 
 But no. I'm finding that I climb *worse* on the Krampus. It's frustrating. 
 There are dirt sections that I have no trouble on with the Atlantis, with 
 smooth tires, that I can't climb on the Krampus with the knobbies.
 
 What's going on here? Front-end geometry? Wheel weight? Bottom bracket 
 height? I'm beginning to think I should have bought the Surly ECR (like 
 several people recommended) instead of the Krampus. Or maybe I just need to 
 learn how to climb on this new bike.
 
 On the other hand, when I bought the bike I also thought I'd be able to go 
 down steep trails that I'm afraid to descend on the Atlantis, and that has 
 proved to be true. My husband took one look at my new bike and said, Wow, you 
 have better traction on that than you have on foot. When I apply the brakes 
 on a steep downhill, the bike *slows down* instead of skidding.
 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Sugino XD Single Chainring Bottom Bracket Width.

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Aha! Just possibly might fit, tho' a 125 mm spindle might be better.

Thanks.

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 On Apr 4, 2014, at 11:25 PM, rcnute rcn...@hotmail.com wrote:
 
 Amended answer, 150mm.
 
 Ryan
 
 On Friday, April 4, 2014 5:06:33 PM UTC-7, rcnute wrote:
 Patrick: I think it's somewhere around the mid to upper 140s with a 2mm or 
 so spacer on the drive side.  Whatever it is it was an improvement for me 
 for riding fixed, though I don't mind a wider Q-factor when geared for some 
 reason (lower 150s is perfect but up to 160 okay).
 
 Ryan
 
 On Friday, April 4, 2014 5:02:15 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
 If either of you switch to the ~122/AT, can you tell me the resulting Q? I 
 wonder if a similar switch would cut a cm or so off the current ~160 with 
 the X2D/Phil 113. (The 113 does give a perfect chain line in the main 
 cruising gear.)
 
 Thanks.
 
 Patrick if narrow is good, narrower is better Moore (who doesn't really 
 believe that).
 
 
 On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 5:14 PM, David Banzer daba...@gmail.com wrote:
 Then I went to a Sugino AT with a 122 spindle and ring on the outside.
 
 That's interesting, I happen to have a Sugino AT and a Tange 122.5 bottom 
 bracket sitting in the parts bin right now. Looks like I'll be able to 
 setup the Redwood and go for a ride this weekend.
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Re: [RBW] Best Nitto handlebars for Shimano 105 shifters?

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Nitto 185?

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 On Mar 18, 2014, at 7:22 PM, Bruce Smitham wineh...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi group,
 
 I currently have 46cm Nitto noodle 177 bars with Shimano 105 shifters on my 
 Sam Hillborne. I like everything except the ramp and hood reach is a little 
 far away to comfortably brake. I'm looking for a different Nitto handlebar 
 and it's a little confusing. I want a shorter ramp so when I move from the 
 flats it moves quickly to the hoods. Does anyone have any knowledge of the 
 dirt drop or rando bars? It would help if you know the model number. Looking 
 for 26.0 X 44cm
 
 I appreciate any feedback,
 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Custom Atlantis?

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For the record: Others will have their own opinions, but I shift a home brew 9 
speed cassette -non-aligned ramps- with Silver bar end shifters and I don't 
have a problem. Perhaps I am more deft than others, or perhaps I have lower 
standards.

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 On Mar 10, 2014, at 12:58 PM, Chris Lampe 2 clampe9...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
 Jim,
  
 Is this specific to Silver shifters or is it something that is relatively 
 common with a mix of friction and 9-speed cassettes?   My bike has a 9-speed 
 cassette and those cheap thumb shifters that RBW sells and sometimes I get 
 frequent ghost shifts, even under a very easy pedaling load.
  
 
 On Sunday, April 1, 2012 3:03:20 PM UTC-5, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery 
 wrote:
 I'd tend to look at the silver shifters as the culprit, especially if you're 
 running a 9sp cassette. There's enough slop between clicks in the ratchet 
 system in those shifters that even if the shifter is tight enough, 
 derailleur/chain placement will be imprecise in some gears. In that case, a 
 tiny amount of frame-flex-induced cable pull may tip it into an adjacent 
 gear. This would be less likely with 7/8sp cassettes.
 
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Re: [RBW] Re: The Atlantic article about cycling in the south

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 If my prior comment was too far out for you to understand, I'll make it real 
 simple  :   To each their own . 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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 Garth, with all due respect, I think you're confusing this with the New Age 
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Re: [RBW] Re: The Atlantic article about cycling in the south

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I like your sense of humor!

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 Delight is a wonderful Word Patrick !  
 
  Life as Mortal Man is the Delight of the Eternal Flame that I AM !  
 
 
 
 
 On Friday, March 7, 2014 9:57:02 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
 He delighted to tread upon the brink of meaning ...
 
 Dr. Johnson, of John Dryden (so you are in good company).
 
 
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 Laws are an objective experience of subjectively expressing reason for 
 what appears unreasonable, one's very own imagination and one's 
 relationship within . Expressing one's own inner conflicts.  This does not 
 mean Laws are good or bad, they are to whom they are in whom they are 
 chosen to experience.   All of my conflicts, all of your conflicts , all of 
 anyone's conflicts, are within themselves.  .  . .played out from without 
 as each other.  But it is within.
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Re: [RBW] Purge O' Bits 'n Parts; Nigel Smythe Tweed, Frost River Baggins Canvas, Nitto, Etc

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I can't talk about th tweed one, but if you like saddlebags and can't afford a 
Sackville. the Adam was a very nice second best (I assume that the F R version 
is close to the original) and $60 is not at all bad. I'd buy it if I hadn't 
more or less gone over wholly to panniers.

Patrick Moore
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 On Dec 27, 2013, at 2:34 PM, Marc Schwartz mschw...@nmsu.edu wrote:
 
 I am selling many different parts of Rivendellish and classic providence.
 Cheep!; need the space, need the dinero
 This is merely the first batch. More to follow. 
 Please contact me for individual photos and information; mschw...@nmsu.edu. 
 Prices are open to discussion.
 
 1) Nigel Smythe tweed saddlebag by Rivendell Bicycle Works. All hardware is 
 intact except for one quick release stud on main compartment flap strap. Good 
 used condition, some dirt and marks from use. No holes or rips, just normal 
 wear. Please see the attached photo.
 $80 + $10 Shipping
 
 2) Frost River manufactured and labeled version of the classic Baggins Adam 
 saddlebag. Includes all leather straps, all hardware is intact. Good used 
 condition, dirt and marks from use. No holes or rips, just normal wear. $60 + 
 $10 Shipping
 
 3) Nitto M12 front rack for use with cantilever brakes. Fine condition. No 
 mounting hardware. $40 + $10 Shipping
 
 4) Nitto R14 Top Rack  Rear rack. Fine Condition. All struts, no mounting 
 hardware. $50 + $10 Shipping
 
 5) Nitto Albatross Handlebars. Alloy. A few insertion marks, but good 
 condition. $35 + $10 Shipping
 
 6) Much more to come over the next few days. Frames, wheels, many bits.
 
 Returns OK within 3 days of receipt.
 Shipping via USPS Priority. UPS standard for frames, wheels, big stuff.
 
 Thanks,
 Marc
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Re: [RBW] Re: Racing Sucks

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If we are going to be collectivists, I want your Atlantis.

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 On Dec 10, 2013, at 3:45 PM, Alex Zeibot veloban...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Ron,
 I agree with you….  It is the Mandela's philosophy; collectivism tends to 
 prevail by standing up for a common goal.
 
 
 On Tue, Dec 10, 2013 at 4:36 PM, Ron Mc bulldog...@gmail.com wrote:
 there is just enough divisiveness being marketed in the images we're sold, 
 it would be better to raise the commonalities rather than the differences
 
 
 On Tuesday, December 10, 2013 3:07:26 PM UTC-6, iamkeith wrote:
 I guess I took it as pretty tounge-in-cheek.  Spending as much time reading 
 forums as I do, that are all way less civil than this one, I've probably 
 forgotten how to be offended - though I can see how many would take it that 
 way.  It's DEFINITELY generational, however - which, though I didn't say 
 it, is what I thought was so interesting about it.  
 
 I've always felt that Surly could never have even existed had it not been 
 for Rivendell.   When they launched, the concept of a company focusing on 
 building skinny-tubed, steel bikes with 1 headsets,  provisions for racks, 
 and room for fat tires and fenders was pretty out there to most 
 mainstream consumers.   Yet, for all this, they've thrived.And, partly, 
 on the tails of bikes like the Long Haul Trucker which was a direct copy of 
 the All Rounder.   Not that there's anything wrong with that, but it makes 
 it more ironic that they produced this patch so shortly after Riv quoined 
 and started marketing the whole Un-Racer thing.
 
 What I find interesting though, is how two companies can be so eerlily 
 similar - building no-nonsense bikes that work, are repairable, aren't 
 going to go out of style, and don't require the newest ever-changing 
 components - yet have such different marketplace personas.  Even though 
 BOTH companies are actually developing thought-provoking and useful 
 products (together, arguably changing the face of modern bike design more 
 than all other companies combined), ONE of those companies is often 
 considered retro-grouchy while the other is considered hip.
 
 Clearly it pays to be offensive on some level, depending on who your 
 market is.  I just like anything that reminds people not to take themselves 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Hunqapillar As True Mountain Bike?

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A true mountain bike will work better on singletracktrail than one that is not 
a true mountain bike. A Fargo set up like mine is not a true mountain bike.

Patrick Moore
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 On Dec 5, 2013, at 8:02 AM, Montclair BobbyB montclairbob...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 Ah, but who's to judge what a true mountain bike is?  As the late William 
 Nealy pointed out in his book, The Mountain Biking Way of Knowledge (a 
 must-own for every 'true' mountain biker), the Vietnamese have been riding 
 bicycles on the Ho Chi Minh trail for decades... and I'm sure these were 
 Flying Pidgeons, not StumpJumpers.
 
 I say a bike is defined by how far you're willing to take it. I have a 
 so-called mountain bike (that frankly sucks as an all-around or commuter)... 
 it's geared too low and the geometry is best suited for rough terrain at slow 
 speed, yet I'm sure there are people who ride this same bike to work... so 
 does that NOT qualify it as a commuter???
 
 I say ride the elephant through the forest... go shred on your Hunq.
 
 Peace,
 BB
 
 On Thursday, December 5, 2013 8:43:18 AM UTC-5, Brian Campbell wrote:
 I was wondering if anyone was using their Hunq as a true mountain bike? By 
 which, I mean, no racks, fenders or bags.While it is a very versatile 
 frameset, does anyone use theirs only in off road scenarios? If yes,  what 
 are your thoughts on what it does well and maybe (shudder) what it does not 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Best summer cycling caps?

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Thanks. How do they fit big heads and big hair? Well made? I can eyeball the 
brims.

Patrick Moore, who almost lost his Nash at PDM cap just now in gusty ABQ, NM.

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 Pace has a huge selection , cotton, wool, coolmax .  Browse all the 
 collections, then buy from them or google it and find someone else who sells 
 it. 
 
 http://www.pacesportswear.com/2013technicalcollection.aspx
 
 Too bad Patagonia doesn't still make caps like this  I have one and it 
 will likely outlast me ... I bought it in the early 90's.  
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Re: [RBW] Caveman ketchup

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What??? The Indians were hybridizing plants thousands of years ago. 

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 On Nov 27, 2013, at 5:30 AM, Deacon Patrick lamontg...@mac.com wrote:
 
 As Jim aludes to, tomatoes as we know them did not exist until recently. The 
 closest thing to catchup would have been fermented (insert ancient fruits or 
 veggies here) that fell to the ground or somehow got collected, stored, 
 forgotten and discovered. Talk about good gut flora! Grin.
 
 With abandon,
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 Come to think of, wouldn't caveman ketchup be a slice of tomato?
 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Caveman ketchup

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Thanks--that was a brand I found that looked likely and is cheap, but I knew 
nothing of the taste. Will order some.

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 On Nov 25, 2013, at 10:29 PM, Chris Halasz chal...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Patrick, 
 
 If it hasn't been mentioned already, Westbrae vegetarian unsweetened ketchup. 
 
 We usually find it at Whole Foods. 
 
 Very nice; we like it more than any sweetened. 
 
 Please let us know what you think. 
 
 Cheers, 
 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Ortlieb Rollers!!!!

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I have the rears.

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 On Nov 14, 2013, at 5:18 PM, bwphoto bwphotograph...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Patrick
 Which rollers do you have, front or back? I'm trying the decide between the 
 two.
 
 On Friday, November 8, 2013 5:53:12 PM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote:
 I traded a jaded pair of Ortlieb Packer Pluses with fellow lister Joe Broach 
 for a pristine pair of Ortlieb Rollers, 'cuz I don't need high end camping 
 luggage, I need high end grocery luggage. I used them for the first time 
 this afternoon, to carry 35 lb of groceries, and mail to Mom.
 
 I have a pair of Banjo Bros Market Panniers, which are very large and 
 certainly not bad for the $50/ea price. But MAN! -- those Rollers are 
 NICE!!! So easy to attach to the Fly! So easy to remove! So carefully 
 designed! So elegant in operation!
 
 I hauled them into Sprouts this afternoon and shoved them onto the conveyor 
 belt along with my fruit and veg and meat and such. The girl bagger said, 
 Unusual! and I agreed.
 
 35 lb, and they are hardly more than 2/3 full if even that. I bet that I can 
 get two/2/II/dos/deux/do/mbili full paper sacks in each, if I wanted to and 
 if my Fly and my Ram (OT content) could carry such weight.
 
 Oh: and riding the Ram for the first time in weeks, I was once again struck 
 by how easy multiple gears make climbing steep hills with heavy loads. 
 Hoooda Thunk?
 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Connecting Toplight Line Plus to SON/Edeluxe

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Success. Thanks. Now I need to find a better way to route the power wire ro the 
rear lamp -- now, down d tube under bb along left stay up left rack strut to 
rear lamp which bolts to end of rack. Can't use fender because fender is 
seasonal. Should I drill holes in the frame? And rAck tubing? I am at least 
partly serious.

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On Sep 21, 2013, at 8:40 AM, Stephen S elphk...@gmail.com wrote:

 There is a hole on the bottom of the edelux, The power lead comes out of 
 there. You need to completely heatshrink around a  2.8mm plug so that it 
 doesn't ground to the Edelux's frame.
 
 For the ground the Edelux should have come with a ring terminal that can 
 ground to the outside of the Edelux's budy when it is bolted to whatever 
 attachment point you choose. According to the instructions the ground is not 
 required. 
 
 See the instructions located here : 
 http://www.nabendynamo.de/produkte/pdf/english/Montage_Edelux_e.pdf 
 
 Stephen
 
 
 
 On Saturday, September 21, 2013 7:06:00 AM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
 
 The Edeluxe has no second cable for the rear lamp, as does the Cyo: just one 
 that runs to the prongs on the hub. The Toplight Line Plus has two prongs, 
 one for power, one for ground. I suppose I attach the ground to a wire 
 running to bare metal on the frame, but how do I attach the power wire to 
 the hub? Do I have to run the wire directly to one of the SON (20R) prongs?
 
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Re: [RBW] Re: When is a tire too big?

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Anne-Forget the Big Apples. They are very nice tires, but IMO the Furious Freds 
are worth the premium ($60 ea shipped from Wiggle). Add Stan's if you need flat 
protection.

As well as the BAs roll, the FFs roll even better-I think they roll as well as 
the much narrower (35 mm) Kojaks; the FF 26ers would weigh about the same as 
the Kojaks.

Overall, and keeping in mind their intended use - off road tires that roll well 
on pavement - I say these are the best tires I've ever used.

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On Sep 7, 2013, at 11:26 AM, Anne Paulson anne.paul...@gmail.com wrote:

 Eric, did you run the Big Apple 2.0s with fenders on the Atlantis? I'm
 still wondering if they'd fit on my Atlantis.
 
 On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 12:47 PM, EricP ericpl...@aol.com wrote:
 At 225 pounds, and often carrying things on the bike, I find that
 anything less than 35mm is just too narrow for me.  Funny, because a
 few years ago when I weighed 300 pounds, a Bianchi Volpe with Vittoria
 Randonneur 700x32 tires was just fine.
 
 Can tires be too big?  With my limited experience it's bike
 dependent.  My Sam Hillborne doesn't seem to like 700x40 Marathon
 Supremes as well as 700x35 Pasela TGs.  However, with non-Rivendell
 bikes, the Salsa Fargo seems to be really happy with the WTB Vulpine
 2.1s which I ride both on and off pavement.  The only limitations
 there are the rider.
 
 For a bike such as the Surly LHT in the larger size with 26 wheels
 have discovered that two inch wide tires are pretty much a sweet
 spot in handling.  For winter, 1.75s studded tires work, but the
 handling and ride characteristics are not as nice.
 
 When I had the Atlantis, the bike just loved Big Apple 2.0s.
 
 Eric Platt
 St. Paul, MN
 
 On Jan 28, 2:03 pm, Jan Heine hein...@earthlink.net wrote:
 running 35-622 Vittoria Randonneur Pro's that measure
 
 around 34 mm on my rims.  The extra width didn't give me significantly
 more comfort on pavement
 
 Talking about tire size makes sense only when comparing similar
 casings. Given a choice between a harsh-riding 35 mm tire (like most
 Schwalbes) and a 24 mm hand-made clincher like the now-gone Challenge
 Triathlon, I'll prefer the racing tire any day. We have found that
 casing and construction have a much greater effect on comfort and
 performance than tire width. Once you compare apples to apples, the
 wider tires obviously have more air and thus can run at lower
 pressures without degrading performance or risking pinch-flats.
 
 If you live in a place with glass-smooth roads or ride on the track
 mostly, you probably get very few benefits beyond 25 or 28 mm width.
 However, there are few disadvantages until you reach about 42 mm (when
 it becomes hard to make a bike with narrow crank tread/Q factor), so
 why not go a bit wider, for the day when the road has been chipsealed
 or you go on that trail where roots have pushed up the pavement?
 
 Of course, I live in Seattle, where the roads and trails are so bumpy
 that even 32 mm tires feel awfully narrow. And then you have streetcar
 and railroad tracks. Even if you know how to bunny-hop them, it's nice
 not having to worry about them.
 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Drag in non-direct gears on SA AW: noticeable?

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The numbers imply a likely ring and cog combination and the standard AW ratios. 

Yes, I think more and more that the S3X + fw is the right choice.

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 For what it's worth, I don't notice any drag on my AW - But I might not 
 recognize it, even if it bit me in the butt :.)  
 
 The part of your question I don't understand is the specific numbers you 
 give.  Wouldn't those vary, depending on chainring and rear sprocket?  I've 
 got sprockets in one-tooth increments from 16 to 21, and I think they go to 
 at least 22...
 
 That said, assuming you don't already have an AW, the SX3 and freewheel sound 
 like a good bet for what you want to do.
 
 Nick W.
 
 On Sunday, August 18, 2013 2:07:32 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
 
 I am contemplating a second rear wheel for my '03 Curt Custom, a fixed gear 
 bike, and I am thinking that, instead of all the nastiness involved with a 
 derailleur drivetrain, a simple hub gear might be very nice. 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [RBW] Re: That Betty Foy is some bicycle!

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Amen, sister! Isn't it a revelation to finally ride a bike that is properly set 
up as well as being well designed to efficiently translate your effort into 
motion? Grant-designed bikes seem to do that exceptionally well.

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On Aug 19, 2013, at 1:04 PM, Cecily Walker cecily.wal...@gmail.com wrote:

 One of the things I'm discovering with each passing day is how my previously 
 held ideas about what made a bicycle comfortable are being smashed to bits by 
 the Betty Foy. I had a heavy Dutch bike until March of this year. I loved it, 
 but it was slow. That bike convinced me that slow and stately, completely 
 upright riding was the only kind of riding I was suited for.  When I had to 
 get a cheap mixte to ride after my Dutch bike was damaged in an accident, I 
 convinced myself that I couldn't ride in a more aggressive, forward leaning 
 position. I had the bike shop install lots of spacers so I could ride stock 
 upright, and even though the mixte was a lot lighter than the Dutch bike, it 
 never felt swift or stable. I still felt slow and lethargic. 
 
 When I picked up the Betty Foy on Saturday, one of the first things I noticed 
 was how far forward I was leaning. The Soma Oxford handlebars are on a Soma 
 Sutro stem - shorter than the Technomic by quite a lot - and I am not used to 
 riding in that position. Some might not think that's aggressive at all, but 
 for someone who has only ridden upright, it was quite a shift. 
 
 The first thing I did was try riding up a hill right next to the bike shop. I 
 was surprised at how quickly and easily I was able to ride up it. It's 
 something I never would have considered on the Dutch bike. I would have 
 hesitated doing it on the cheap aluminum mixte, too. 
 
 On Sunday's ride, my mental tape recorder started running early. You're 
 never going to be able to do 25km riding in this position. You're probably 
 going to give up after 10K. You're too fat to ride like this.  But as more 
 road disappeared under my wheels, I found that all of the things I had 
 thought were untrue.  Of course, fitness plays a huge role in the limits we 
 place on ourselves, but having the right tool at hand is hugely important. I 
 never knew how important before I got the Betty Foy. 
 
 This morning I whizzed into work in record time. Sure, going slow is great, 
 but swift riding feels so good when you get to slay your mental and physical 
 dragons at the same time.
 
 On Saturday, August 17, 2013 9:43:46 PM UTC-7, Cecily Walker wrote:
 
 I had very high expectations of this bike, and I'm happy to say that it has 
 met every one. It rides smoother -- and faster! -- than any other bike I've 
 ever owned. I smiled the whole way from the bike shop. Tomorrow I'm setting 
 off on a 25km slow bike tour around some farms out in the country. I'll 
 probably have more to say then, but as of right now, I'm in love with this 
 bike, and I'm glad I finally decided to make this purchase.
 
 The guys at Dream Cycle actually thanked me for bringing the bike to their 
 shop to work on. They said the bike made them smile whenever they looked at 
 it, and as they were building it, they found new things to love about her. 
 
 Most of the components are different than those sold in Riv's stock build 
 kit. I ultimately didn't save any on the cost of the parts, but I did keep 
 from getting hit with a $350 tax bill by buying the parts locally. A 
 screenshot of the build can be found in this flickr set: 
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/cecily/sets/72157635020456860/
 
 
 More photos are to come, but I had to share this one a friend posted of me. 
 If you look closely, you'll see just how big the smile on my face is. 
 
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/cecily/9533259489/
 
 Happy riding,
 Cecily
 
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[RBW] FS price reduced: As new Big Apple Liteskins

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Now $65 shipped CONUS.

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Re: [RBW] Albas and Saddle Width

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No, I agree -- would like one just to hold and admire. 

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 You mock the 135, Patrick, but seriously where else can you find that much 
 old world British craftsmanship concentrated in a single package? I might buy 
 one for the springs-per-dollar ratio alone!
 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Overheard on Sierra to the Sea

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It's horses for courses. There are many different reasons for riding, and 
pushing a relatively big gear up a hill or, more generally, adapting your 
riding to the arbitrary limitations
Of your machine is one of them--albeit, I daresay, an odd one/ But it is one 
that appeals to me. 

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On Jun 30, 2013, at 7:47 PM, dougP dougpn...@cox.net wrote:

 I don't see it as a contest.  The bike is a tool to get me where I want to 
 go, and should be versatile enough that I don't have to consider the terrain 
 or road surface or other conditions to be limiting factors.  I don't get the 
 whole how often do you need a granny gear? thing.  It doesn't matter how 
 often.  What matters is that it's there when I need it.  A lot of 
 interesting places are at the top of steep hills, some of them quite long.  
 
 Patrick, I agree about using limited gears on known routes.  I have plenty of 
 20-30 mile rides close to home that only need maybe 3-4 gears.  But once I 
 get onto new turf, unknown territory or off-road, the triple with the wide 
 range cogset is welcome equipment.  Happiness is being able to pedal a load 
 at 4 mph.  
 
 dougP
 
 On Sunday, June 30, 2013 6:24:49 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
 
 This is interesting. My own take on the bike-to-rider contest of mastery 
 is that I like to adapt myself to the bike's limitations and to the 
 circumstances -- terrain, wind, gear, load, etc. I'd rather learn to grunt a 
 40 lb load up a mile-long hill than to create a gear system that will let me 
 exert more or less equal energy at 18 mph on the flat, 10 mph on the hill, 
 and 30 on the downhill. (I used to be that way, but no longer -- in fact, I 
 was that way theoretically, devising ingenious gear systems, but found 
 myself riding a very limited range of gears.)
 
 For me, one of the great joys of cycling is overcoming obstacles -- wind, 
 hill, load -- with limited means. It's horses for courses. Of course, my 
 favored rides are short (and, relatively, energetic) but, with that 
 qualification, I hugely enjoy riding one gear across many different 
 circumstances. Even with the two derailleur bikes I have (Fargo, mostly off 
 road, Ram, on road) I naturally ride in just 2 or 3 gears across a very 
 wide range of conditions, load, wind, hills.
 
 I daresay that, after 8 hours in the saddle, and facing a miles-long, steep 
 hill against a wind with 40 lb of gear, I'd be grateful for that 20 low, 
 too. But I did want to add this other, perhaps very idiosyncratic, 
 perspective, to the many that make up the world of pleasurable cycling.
 
 
 On Sun, Jun 30, 2013 at 7:09 PM, Anne Paulson anne.p...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I don't want my bike to order me around. I don't want my bike to be
 whining to me that I can't ride some nice quiet road. I'm the boss of
 my bike, and if I say Sweetwater, we go up Sweetwater, so I need gears
 that do the job they are hired for.
 
 
 On Sun, Jun 30, 2013 at 5:15 PM, Eric Platt eperic...@gmail.com wrote:
  And yet, in the latest issue of Dirt Rag (a mountain bike focused 
  magazine),
  the mechanic column had a quote along the lines of the only thing dumber
  than a triple on a mountain bike, is a triple on a road bike.  Seems 
  like a
  lot of folks are thinking that way.
 
  Now, for non-loaded touring, on the hills I have ridden, a compact with a
  32/42 (or 44) up front and a 12-36 rear might be fine.  Then again, for a
  long climb either out east or west, would probably want a 24 up front, 
  along
  with the 36 in the back.
  Eric Platt
  St. Paul, MN
 
 
  On Sun, Jun 30, 2013 at 6:21 PM, Anne Paulson anne.p...@gmail.com
  wrote:
 
  People who ride compact doubles chose those bikes. Sometimes just
  riding by them on a steep hill in your comfortable triple is enough to
  make them rethink whether their gearing is what they want. People
  sometimes buy the bike for the fitness they wish they had, instead of
  the fitness they actually have.
 
  I rode Sierra to the Sea with a friend. He is one of those
  technophiles who wants everything new, and he has some kind of
  whizbang titanium bike, with some kind of superlight wheels (one of
  whose hubs cracked during the ride, and of course there was no way to
  fix it, so he just continued on with what he said was considerable
  drag). He had what to me seemed to be absurdly high gears given the
  ride, although he did not do the steepest hills I did. I think his low
  was probably twice as high as my ridiculously low low. But after the
  ride, he emailed me about getting lower gears. Good choice.
 
  It would be great if we could get a Riv contingent on Sierra to the
  Sea. We could show another riding esthetic, opposed to the go-go-go
  esthetic that some of the fast riders have. Nothing wrong with going
  fast, or wanting to go fast, as your entire purpose of riding, if
  that's the way you feel. But it doesn't hurt to show people another
  way of thinking about riding.
 
  On Sun, Jun 30, 2013 at 4:10 

Re: [RBW] Re: I raced my Riv in a mountain bike race

[Bertin753]

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On May 28, 2013, at 7:34 AM, Alex Moll alex_m...@lkstevens.wednet.edu wrote:

 HA - good one!
 
 I forgot to mention one snide remark from a fellow asking where my racks, 
 bags, and panniers were. Pretty sure I kicked his ass.

Spoken and done like a true Rivendellian!

Patrick Just Kick Ass Moore
 
 I also meant to point out in my original post that I'm NOT a racer. Don't 
 have the knack for it, not good at it, don't really enjoy it, haven't really 
 raced anything since college days more than two decades ago. I much prefer to 
 just ride, but I'm also not totally averse to riding hard once in awhile. And 
 this mixed surface course was pretty fun to ride.
 
 This event is a bit different, though. I think one of the S2S slogans is 
 more than just a race. As you can sense from the pics, it was a fun boys 
 weekend - hanging out, joking and laughing with a bunch of colleagues as 
 another school year draws to a close.
 
 The top teams recruit racers from all over the world, and they get national, 
 olympic, and worlds caliber athletes (thus the S2S nickname Bellingham 
 Olympics.) Those teams finish hours ahead of us. My team is mostly 40ish 
 guys in better than average (USA) shape, that somehow find the whole event 
 (weekend) fun. One guy is a triathlete, but I think he's the only racer in 
 the bunch. Still, we finished 144th out of nearly 500 teams - many of those 
 teams finished hours behind us (and they had fun, too.)
 
 I think these sorts of events are becoming more popular, and they are pretty 
 laid back and fun. So if you get an invite - consider it.
 
 
 On Tuesday, May 28, 2013 5:56:56 AM UTC-7, Scott G. wrote:
 
 
 
 On Tuesday, May 28, 2013 1:08:01 AM UTC-4, Joe Bernard wrote:
 
 HA! Rivendell makes race bikes!
 
 The sponsorship check and team jerseys are in the mail.
 A packet of 24 additional Rivendell logos to put on your bike are
 being sent under separate cover.  Dr. Fuentes will send you a
 'special' packet soon, welcome to racing.
 
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Re: [RBW] ISO Tektro or cheaper Linear long pull Interrupter Levers

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Exactly.

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On May 20, 2013, at 11:42 PM, Johan Larsson seven.nau...@gmail.com wrote:

 So you actually have these levers and use them, and still can't see what the 
 knobs do, if anything?
 
 Johan,
 Sweden
 
 On Tuesday, May 21, 2013 4:43:13 AM UTC+2, Patrick Moore wrote:
 
 They don't work like that for me.
 
 On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 8:05 PM, Philip Williamson philip.w...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 Are the red knobs some sort of reach adjuster? That maybe gives the _lever_ 
 more slack?
 
 Just guessing,
 Philip
 
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[RBW] Joe Bunik please contact me

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[RBW] Nashbar brakes claimed

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On Apr 8, 2013, at 10:48 PM, Joe Bunik jbu...@gmail.com wrote:

 hiya Patrick
 I'm comin' a-knockin, if they're still available I could use them.
 Discovered I'm in the inverse boat with my Trek 620, none of my dual
 pivots have the reach needed up front.
 Thanks!
 =- Joe Bunik
 Walnut Creek, CA
 
 On 4/8/13, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote:
 Pair of Nashbar, silver dual pivots, no pads, vg except for heavily filed
 right slot on rear.
 
 I thought I'd measured these at 57 mm but the rear came up short on the
 Ram, so let's say 55 mm reach.
 
 This is the front. The black tape can be removed -- I just forgot.
 
 https://picasaweb.google.com/BERTIN753/RAMBOUILLETFINALLYBUILT040613#5863925386730853778
 
 Thanks to a listmember for a good deal on A550s and Tektros.
 
 
 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rambouillet, finally built!

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They were 35 mm on 27 mm wide (outside) Sun Rhyno Lites but I've not measured 
them on the Open Pros. The 559x34s measure 32 on 19 mm Sun M14As. 

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On Apr 8, 2013, at 1:26 PM, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote:

 Do you have any idea the actual width of those Kojak 35s?  They look skinnier 
 than Jack Browns in the pictures to my untrained eye.  
 
 
 
 On Monday, April 8, 2013 7:28:08 AM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
 
 I was very tired yesterday, so only chased my brother to the store and back, 
 some 6-7 miles rt. But this ride did include a fastish, ~1 mile downhill 
 with turns, and it did include some last minute brake-'n'-turns as my 
 brother remembered a turn at the last minute.
 
 The quality that jumped out from this little ride was neutrality, not in the 
 sense of bland, but in the sense that the bike disappears -- causes no 
 problems. It seems very, very stable without hesitating or over-reacting to 
 steering input -- the sort of handling that allows you to sit up and ride 
 one-handed as you look over your shoulder while rolling fast downhill.
 
 I would guess that the 35 mm tires help bring out this particular sweetness 
 in the frame -- would you other owners of Rams describe the handling in the 
 same way, and (2) does this depend on tires of a certain width? What would 
 the Ram handle like with 28s? -- I have no desire to install 28s, but I'm 
 curious to learn if 35s are the ideal match.
 
 Must add hooks for the bungees of my grocery panniers and try the bike with 
 a 30-40 lb rear load.
 
 More as the miles come.
 
 On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 4:26 AM, samh rbwo...@yahoo.com wrote:
 That's a fine looking bike, Patrick.  Many years ago, I wanted to buy a 
 68cm Ram and to my surprise a local dealer had one in his shop.  It was 
 painted in the new blue color, like yours.  I test road it, and I liked it, 
 but I preferred the old orange color, so I passed on the bike.  After 
 seeing your bike, now I prefer the blue!  I'm interested in hearing more 
 about how you like the ride.
 
 
 On Sunday, April 7, 2013 3:25:22 PM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote:
 Whoops: photos here.
 
 
 On Sun, Apr 7, 2013 at 2:23 PM, PATRICK MOORE bert...@gmail.com wrote:
 All: thanks for the compliments. Very tired today, so just another very 
 brief 6-7 mile ride, but a salient quality seems to be the Ram's utter 
 stabillity -- stability as opposed to sluggishness. I was following my 
 brother (and struggling to keep up, he on his 60 mm Big Apple Karate 
 Monkey -- but then I was keeping it mostly in the 70 gear while he was 
 shifting a lot), and he made a couple of sudden turns as he remembered 
 his way. The Ram braked and turned without any qualms or crisis. Perhaps 
 it feels a bit less quick to turn in than my customs, but it has been 
 long enough since one of those had a freewheel that it's hard to really 
 remember.
 
 At any rate, at least unladen or, as today, with just a small (~5-7 lb) 
 on one side of the rack, the Ram is definitely one of those superior 
 bikes. I must try it with a heavy rear load (30-40 lb) to see if it 
 handles rear loads better than my custom.
 
 Joe: photo with rack attached; not a good one, I' afraid -- should have 
 removed the pannier.
 
 This particular iteration of the Fly, unlike the others I've owned, has a 
 neat attachment that lets you use seatstay rack braze ons: these can be 
 bolted to the single strut, that otherwise bolts to the rear brake 
 mounting bolt, and they in turn to the braze ons. Because the Ram's rack 
 strut braze ons are on the inside instead of outside of the stays, I had 
 to do a bit of impromptu crushing that, while it works fine, is not quite 
 symmetrical.
 
 This par
 
 
 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Budget Riv? Still on the horizon?

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On Feb 27, 2013, at 6:36 PM, Eric Platt epericmpl...@gmail.com wrote:

 
  
 That said, everyone feels different about different bikes.  Patrick Moore 
 seems to find the Fargo sluggish, yet when I had one it felt like the most 
 nimble bike I owned.  Even moreso than the Sam Hillborne.  But I weight at 
 least 75 pounds more than Patrick.
  

Just to be clear, the Fargo (as also the SH) feels sluggish (and non-optimum in 
handling) in reference to bikes that feel particularly lively and balanced for 
one reason or another-- the custom Rivs, the Herse, the Motobecane. But the 
Fargo feels good in isolation so to speak--I really enjoy riding it.



 Still wouldn't mind a budge Rivendell, especially with 26 wheels and 
 provisions for V brakes. And I like the idea of rattlecan paint for the bike.

Perhaps Riv could sell the frames with just a primer coat and give prizes for 
the best home-brew color coat. (Note, in case it needs to be said, that I am 
only a little bit serious.)

 
 Eric Platt
 St. Paul, MN
 
 On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 11:33 AM, thalasin thala...@yahoo.com wrote:
 I do have a Cross-Check that's currently set up as a fixed gear, so
 when the LHT is sold, I plan on adding gears (gasp) and moving it over
 to road duty.  Your comparison of the CC/Atlantis ride quality gives
 me optimism!
 
 On Feb 27, 9:50 am, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery thill@gmail.com
 wrote:
  If your baseline is the Rambouillet, which has a fairly zippy, lively ride,
  both the LHT and the Atlantis will seem similarly ponderous and sluggish.
  That said, I've never felt that the LHT was a poor man's Atlantis,
  because the LHT is more truck-like than the Atlantis. To me, my Cross-check
  reminds me more of my former Atlantis. That's splitting hairs though.
 
 
 
  On Wednesday, February 27, 2013 10:39:29 AM UTC-6, thalasin wrote:
 
   I really wish I could have a long-term, head-to-head ride comparison of
   both bikes.  And maybe I had unrealistic expectations of a touring bike,
   and maybe the fit on the LHT just wasn't right for me.  But I gave it a 
   go
   for 3 years and am giving up the ghost.  I have a Rambouillet, and the 
   ride
   on that bike is wonderful--so based on that experience and what I've read
   from others here, I'm assuming I could expect the same out of an 
   Atlantis.
   I came to hate the LHT and it was absolutely no fun to ride.  It was
   sluggish and every ride felt like a slog.  I've never actually toured on
   it, and others have told me that's where the bike really shines.  In my
   mind, though, if I'm slow and hating it unloaded, I can't imagine putting
   40 lbs. of stuff on it and it being any more enjoyable.  So, like I said,
   it's probably a combination of factors and quite possibly ignorance on my
   part, but I'm looking for other options.
 
   On Wednesday, February 27, 2013 9:24:20 AM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
 
   Tracy -- asking to add more data to my store: what exactly do you find
   absent in the ride of the LHT that you find in Rivendells' ride (=
   comfort?) and handling?
 
   I'd love to have a Riv ride mated to my Fargo, whose handling is
   mediocre, but I put up with the Fargo for its other virtues. (Note one
   exception: I find that the Fargo does handle heavy rear loads better 
   than
   the Sam Hill.)
 
   On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 9:19 AM, thalasin thal...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
   I'd be all in for a budget version of the Atlantis, as that's the bike
   I've always wanted but just can't afford.  I tried to make do with a 
   LHT,
   but I never liked the bike and am getting rid of it.  It's the 
   Rivendell
   ride I'm in search of, so if it actually comes to fruition, I'm in 
   without
   hesitation.
   Tracy
 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Riv Camp in Dreamland

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Build it by committee! **I** say she wants a 29er fixed gear.

Patrick that's *my* dream and I'm sticking to it Moore who just rode fixed in 
ABQ, NM

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On Feb 10, 2013, at 1:36 PM, dougP dougpn...@cox.net wrote:

 If everyone is done exchanging bags, handlebars, tires, etc., for now, maybe 
 we need a group project to build Liesl's Riv Dreamland.  If you build it, 
 they will come.  
 
 dougP
 
 On Sunday, February 10, 2013 11:57:45 AM UTC-8, Liesl wrote:
 
 Hey friends, I had the craziest dream last night and thought you'd all get a 
 kick out of it.  As I told Patrick over lunch, I often have dreams about 
 being at Riv HQ.  In real life, I've visited HQ probably half a dozen times, 
 may be more, so I know what the real place is like.  But in my dreams, it's 
 always some big cabin/old hippie farmhouse type of place between the edge of 
 the woods and a meadow.  There are wooden boardwalks running through it and 
 open-air wooden picnic tables with cardboard boxes that are a Riv 
 treasure-trove of old saddle bags and leather bits and all the things I 
 imagine are at the garage sale. It's always like this, and sometimes I talk 
 to Grant or Keven about bike models and it's always fun.  Oddly, I have this 
 dream with some regularity.  But in last night's dream there was a twist!
 
 Riv had a camp, kind of like a Girl Scot Camp, that was in redwood-covered 
 hills in some dream version of Marin County (I lived in Sausalito for 
 several years).  The topography was like the steep hills over the ocean as 
 you drive highway 1, but again it was a redwood forest and it overlooked the 
 bay instead of the ocean.  A bunch of Riv folk and friends, including a 
 dream version of Jenny Riv Chica Warrior West (whom I've never met) were 
 inviting me to ride up to the main building.  On our way up, they were 
 taking great pride in showing me their recycling program which had its own 
 building with some sort of dreamland recycling contraptions and various bins 
 for compost and aluminum and plastic bottles, etc .  
 
 I woke up at this point and just started giggling, wishing that we could all 
 visit my dreamland Riv Camp.  I think it would be great to have a Riv 
 Jamboree there.
 
 Do you think these dreams perhaps gave me an unfair advantage in the raffle?
 
 Okay, thanks for letting me share as no one else would really appreciate 
 this little story like you all.
 
 Liesl in Riv Dreamland
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Re: [RBW] Re: Thinking of changing up the All Rounder - or spring fever??

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The Midges give me 4 hand positions including the very relaxing flats position.

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On Feb 7, 2013, at 9:57 AM, Esteban proto...@gmail.com wrote:

 Now, that's a Rivendell.  I wouldn't change a damn thing - totally dialed in. 
  Woodchippers would give you more drop, but if you find the Moustache bars 
 acceptable, they provide many more hand positions.  With drop bar MTB bars, 
 you're in the hooks almost exclusively. 
 
 
 
 On Monday, February 4, 2013 4:42:15 PM UTC-8, jinxed wrote:
 
 Over the last 5-6 months I have spent the majority of miles on the cross 
 bike. Did some racing, but mainly a bunch of mixed path/singletrack riding. 
 I have enjoyed it so much, and surprisingly become very comfortable with 
 drop bars off road. That said, I am thinking of switching up the All Rounder 
 for the upcoming spring-summer season.
 
 I've been riding it with my go to mustache bar setup, and some 40mm 
 marathonesque Bontrager tires. Essentially X01 in nature. I'm thinking about 
 throwing back on the fatty knobs and switching to something like a 
 woodchipper drop bar with some new style canecreek levers. Sort of a 
 monstercross I guess?
 
 I keep wanting to add some (additional) color to the bike with the bar wrap, 
 but the yellow of the frame is an extremely STRONG hue to get along with. 
 I've tried black, white, and natural cork, but meh. I was considering trying 
 to find one of those green brooks and matching the bars. Maybe a dk.green / 
 celery green harlequin would be cool??
 
 Hit me up on your woodchipper thoughts and aesthetic preponderances!
 
 Here's the bike with the fattys on it.
 
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Re: [RBW] Calling All Patrick Moores!

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Liesl -- just saw this (5:41 pm), not at home; would have liked to get 
together. Are you free Friday? What are you doing in ABQ?

Patrick back into the collective imagination Moore

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 Hey Patrick, I'm here in ABQ for a blink.  Whatcha doin after 5:00?  I'm at a 
 downtown hotel.  Perhaps we could meet in the flesh and I could report back 
 to the group and confirm that you do in fact exist!
 
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[RBW] Someone wanted headset and bob assembly ...

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I lost the email, but I have some for postage if he is still interested and 
will reply off list.

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Re: [RBW] Bikes back from paint

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That is one extremely pretty, green Atlantis!

Patrick envious Moore

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On Jan 27, 2013, at 1:11 PM, shawn shawn.adki...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Just got my Atlantis and my wife's Betty and her Atlantis back from paint. 
 Craig Ryan of Foresta frames did a great job. If you are in Indiana or near 
 by and need a painter, Craig is a great choice. 
 http://www.forestaframes.com/Site/Foresta_Frames.html
 
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/greenwayrider/sets/72157632622888105/
 
 
 
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[RBW] Noodle sold 44 cm Nitto Noodles, $40 + shipping

[Bertin753]

I said sold!

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 Or trade for good condition On-One Midges OR something approximating a 38 cm 
 Grand Bois Maes Parallel (115 mm reach 125 mm drop).
 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Only ourselves to blame?

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I've got 4 13-21 7 speed Shimano 600 FWs from a box I bought off the CR list 
and I found a ready buyer and a good price for the remaining 12 lbs of FWs and 
parts. Old ones are still out there.

Do racers really want 10 or 11 in back? If all were using 5 speeds with dt 
shifters, would they beg for more cogs and sti? I wonder.

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On Jan 3, 2013, at 6:22 AM, Ron Mc bulldog...@gmail.com wrote:

 On my last rebuild on my old Raleigh, I upgraded the 5-speed freewheel from 
 ancient Suntour to new IRD - I found the best price at Rene Herse, but I've 
 noticed that Harris is not carrying this model any more.  Rene Herse still 
 has a few.  
  I bought two matching for two sets of wheels, and glad I did.  It's a 
 hyperglide design, and with a new Sram chain, shifts very smoothly, and is 
 super quiet.   
 If you hunt around, there are still NOS venerable Suntour and Regina 5-speeds 
 to be found on the net.  
 Harris has Shimano Hyperglide 6-speeds.  
 
 On Thursday, January 3, 2013 12:31:21 AM UTC-6, Michael wrote:
 
 For no more 5 speed or 6 speed freewheels in production?
  
 Been reading Rivreaders and less gears on the back wheel sounds great. But I 
 have seen the readers talking about the dwindling availabilty of these.
  
 I am guessing that as racers needed more narrow jumps, it has grown to 
 11-speed cassettes.
 I guess that as the bike companies are pushing racing gear for regular 
 cyclists at shops, un-racers riders are taking the bait so all the demand is 
 for the latest racing tech stuff, causing the demise of the 5/6/7 speed 
 freewheels/cassettes?
 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Ram/Roadeo/other roady build lists and photos?

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Yes, alas, so does mine. Will have to use a double. Can' have that left boss 
empty.

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On Dec 20, 2012, at 1:19 PM, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote:

 On Thu, 2012-12-20 at 12:35 -0700, PATRICK MOORE wrote:
 I must thin more closely about a 1XN drivetrain. Tell me: does the Ram
 have dt shifter bosses, or just housing stops? (I would have to
 saw/file/dremel/and twist the left stop off.)
 
 (Juuust kidding, Steve.)
 
 Mine had downtube shifter bosses.
 
 
 
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Re: [RBW] Re: 29er tires on an Atlantis

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On Dec 23, 2012, at 3:12 PM, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote:

 On Sun, 2012-12-23 at 14:20 -0700, PATRICK MOORE wrote:
 Why? I used 60 mm Planet Bike fenders with both wheelsets, ie the Big
 Apple and the Kojak wheelsets. No problem with either, unless a big
 air gap over the latter is a problem.
 
 
 Yes a big air gap is a problem, both aesthetically and in terms of
 coverage/protection.
Refuteo sic: no splashing withe the PB 60s and the Kojaks.
 
 
 
 65 mm tires aren't monster by any means, not when the market
 includes 4 tires. 
 
 65mm tires are monster in comparison to 35 to 38mm, which is about
 what the Atlantis is made for.   And recall, you asked for just under an
 inch more clearance than the already ample clearance the Atlantis has
 today.If not monster, that's certainly monstrous.

Not at all: it is merely generous.
 
 
 
 There is a huge difference, so I've been told, between the very
 pavement rideable 60 mm Big Apples, and truly fat tires. Simon Rakower
 of SnoCat fame said that he builds a lot of SnoCat wheels (the rims
 are 44 mm wide) for fat bike owners who want something narrow.
 
 
 I understand why you are interested in such enormous tires.  As I said,
 there are bikes made for them.

Enormous is the wrong word. Generous is correct. 

Patrick Moore, wise dtr is mnplzg the mcbk.
 
 
 
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[RBW] Need

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[RBW] Need 7 sp shifter and brake levers for charity build.

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I am in the midst of adjusting a donated cruiser bike for a newly licensed but 
still unemployed nurse. I swapped out the hbars for some decent Walds but while 
removing the ineffably stupid, cheap, and generally shitty combo 
twist-shift-cum-brake levers from the old bar, I managed to lose a miniature 
spring that allows the right-side twist grip to ratchet instead of merely 
spinning uselessly and helplessly. 

For the record: these combo brake and twist shit -- sorry, ••twist grip•• -- 
plastic unmentionables and the **#%*+* who spec'd them ought to be housed in 
one of the lower bolgia.

So to complete the build, I need a right side shifter, preferably (for 
recipient) indexed for 7 speed, and a brake lever. Matching pair, even better.

I sunk $20 or so into an earlier charity build and I'd just shell out $40 or so 
myself for this one, except that I am very cash strapped. 

If anyone has said parts and would be willing to ship them for cost of postage, 
I'd be very grateful to receive them, install, and pass them on. I have some 
things I can offer in trade, too. 

I received very generous largesse from a listmember a couple of months ago for 
another charity build, and the recipient was very, very happy to get the 
resulting bike--kid said that the resultingow end Centurion was the best bike 
he'd ridden.

Many a priori thanks, and please reply off list.

Patrick Moore
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Re: [RBW] Re: Wayne's World -- Ignore!

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Patrick Moore, who is  culturally so clueless than he has no idea what you are 
talking about.

But if it's a party, I am in agreement (as long as we say grace beforehand)

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On Nov 21, 2012, at 2:37 PM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery thill@gmail.com 
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 Party on Garth.
 
 On Wednesday, November 21, 2012 12:33:22 PM UTC-6, Garth wrote:
 
 Well Patrick  it's comedically okay with me ... my name IS Garth after 
 all !  
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Re: [RBW] Re: 59 All Rounder FS in Portland

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Thanks--will follow the link. Hpy Tksgvg!

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On Nov 21, 2012, at 11:10 AM, iamkeith keithhar...@gmail.com wrote:

 I'll be sure to take some photos and offer my impressions, just as
 soon as I get it in my greasy little hands!  Very excited.  The link
 in Joe's original post will take you to some as-is shots in the
 meantime.
 
 On Nov 21, 10:34 am, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote:
 Photos, please! And tell us how it compares in ride (not fit -- obviously
 the bigger one will fit better from what you've said) with the XO-1. I
 owned a 55 '92 and found my Rivs much an improvement.
 
 On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 10:12 AM, iamkeith keithhar...@gmail.com wrote:
 http://sellwoodcycle.com/consign/59cm-rivendell-all-rounder-1950/
 
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Re: [RBW] Signal police

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Didn't the left arm/right turn signal originate with motor cars, where you 
can't stick your right hand out of the right window when you are sitting in the 
left seat? I've not conducted a rigorous experiment, but it seems to me that 
any driver ought to be able to see a cyclist's right arm extended to signal a 
right turn. I think your busy body interlocutor is full of shit.

Patrick Moore
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On Nov 14, 2012, at 10:35 PM, Brian Hanson stone...@gmail.com wrote:

 I was riding home yesterday, and a fellow pulled up behind me and politely 
 suggested that the cars would be better able to see my left arm held up, 
 rather than the method I used to signal my intentions (right arm pointed 
 straight out).  Now I'm old enough to know the original traffic signals of 
 the left arm only, but in WA state, either way is legal, and it feels more 
 obvious that I'm going to turn right if I put out my right arm and point that 
 way in the same way I signal a left turn intention.
 
 I pointed out that both were legal, and thanked him for his opinion.  He sort 
 of backtracked and apologetically said he often uses his right arm, too, but 
 he noticed that it may be harder to see a right arm signal from behind.  Hmmm 
 - sounds suspicious.  
 
 This also begs the question of what side to mount a headlight and taillight 
 on your bike, if not in the center line...
 
 Brian
 Seattle, WA
 
 p.s.  Here's the law in WA state for the doubting:
 
 Revised Code of Washington State 46.61.758
 Hand Signals.
 
 All hand signals required of persons operating
 bicycles shall be given in the following manner:
 
 (1) Left turn.
 Left hand and arm extended horizontally beyond the side of the bicycle;
 
 (2) Right turn.
 Left hand and arm extended upward beyond the side of the bicycle, or
 right hand and arm extended horizontally to the right side of the bicycle;
 
 (3) Stop or decrease speed.
 Left hand and arm extended downward beyond the side of the bicycle.
 The hand signals required by this section shall be given before initiation
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Re: [RBW] Sackville Saddlebags question...

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I've found that the coroplast stiffener does well to prevent sagging.

Patrick Moore
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On Nov 8, 2012, at 11:03 PM, Michael john11.2...@gmail.com wrote:

 Looking into the S size on rivbike.com.
  
 One question:
  
 Does the bottom of it sag when loaded with stuff, or does it keep its nice 
 square shape, staying flat on bottom?
  
 Thanks.
  
  
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Re: [RBW] Re: Sackville, Medium, Stuffed!

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--My-- regret is to have given away the extremely hard to find 559 Hammered 
Honjos that didn't work with my custom rack. They would have fit fine under the 
Sackville.

Patrick Moore
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On Nov 3, 2012, at 12:45 PM, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote:

 Patrick, your enthusiasm for the bag is making me regret selling mine.
 Hopefully things will align in the future and I can pick-up some
 Sackville panniers.
 
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Re: [RBW] Sackville, Medium, Stuffed!

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I guestimate the load at 25 lb total including bag and kit. Handling affected 
but acceptable -- more so than same weight in low-set pannier, but after all 
it's a fixed gear and My handling is always very conservative.

I'd be interested to hear your experience both with capacity and with effect on 
handling. 

Overall the best saddlebag I've used.

Patrick Moore
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On Nov 2, 2012, at 7:04 PM, Stonehog stone...@gmail.com wrote:

 How did she handle, Patrick?  I just received mine today.  Can't wait to load 
 her up for the Monday commute!
 
 Brian Hanson
 (Testing the water resistance of Sackvilles in) Seattle, WA
 
 On Nov 2, 2012, at 3:06 PM, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Back from the grocery store with S-M containing:
 
 Gal Mlk
 5 lb bg pttos
 Dz Egs
 Bnch Kale
 Small bag shredded parmesan
 1 onion
 1 lemon
 
 (Dinner: omelets, french fries, kale salad with dressing of lemon jc, olive 
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Re: [RBW] Re: A miles only cyclecomputer??

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The link takes you to a 5 function computer ...?

I used one of those star wheel mechanical odometer long ago. Their accuracy is 
only fair because you can't calibrate them. I prefer an iPhone app, that has 
the advantage of working with all my bikes. 

Patrick Moore
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On Nov 1, 2012, at 7:12 PM, Brian Campbell bdcampbel...@gmail.com wrote:

 Planet Bike makes this:
 
 http://ecom1.planetbike.com/8000.html
 
 Cheap  basic.
 
 On Monday, October 29, 2012 6:22:59 PM UTC-4, Leslie wrote:
 
 Don't know if this is the one he had or not, but very similar to it:
 
 http://velobase.com/ViewComponent.aspx?ID=01b7845c-244d-496e-ab4c-435ba068a908Enum=103
 
 
 
 On Monday, October 29, 2012 12:54:26 PM UTC-4, Leslie wrote:
 
 I've not looked for one, but on my dad's old Nishiki roadbike from the 
 mid-70's, he had an odometer mounted down just above the fork's drop-out.  
 A little nub attached to the spoke, everytime it went around, it turned 
 over the 'gear' on the end of the box.  No electronics, purely mechanical.  
  I've thought such would be neat, to keep a battery-failure-free tally on a 
 frame's mileage...
 
 
  
 
 On Sunday, October 28, 2012 12:56:22 AM UTC-4, lungimsam wrote:
 
 Any such animal?
  
 I lost my cyclecomputer. Don't know if that's a good or bad thing.
  
 All I wanna keep track of is miles.
  
 I don't care about speed much anymore.
  
 PLease advise.
 
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Re: [RBW] That Diet and Exercise thing again!

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Again, not to be annoying, this applies to some people and not for others.

Patrick Moore
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On Oct 10, 2012, at 9:12 PM, charlie cl_v...@hotmail.com wrote:

 I don't doubt Ernest was depressed and it is quite an achievement to lose 200 
 pounds (me only 90 total) and I don't doubt the mind, body, lifestyle thing 
 all have to work together.. I do believe however that eating 
 carbohydrates does drive your blood sugar up causing the yo yo effect 
 creating cravings for more and since they are not burned up or handled by an 
 exhausted pancreas they get stored as fat. Pretty simple to me and is my 
 experience. Eating protein, fat and veggies primarily has made it easier to 
 resist sugar cravings, keeps me satiated and fuels the old body throughout 
 the day without hunger. As far as maintaining the choice to eat that way, 
 yes...you have to make it a lifestyle change (sometimes on a minute by 
 minute basis) and you can't (without consequences), compromise very often or 
 at all depending on your particular sensitivity. Moving around is important 
 also but I will say that my first 30 pound loss was while I was working 12 
 hours+ a day at a sit down job and doing virtually no exercise other than the 
 very spotty bicycle ride a couple days a week. Working less, sleeping more 
 and moving around are the changes I am slowly making as a few financial 
 things fall into place. The one thing I can easily choose regardless of my 
 current hectic lifestyle however is the type and amount of food I consume. I 
 now end my speech and defer to others...
 
 On Wednesday, October 10, 2012 8:48:49 AM UTC-7, Patrick in VT wrote:I
 
 On Wednesday, October 10, 2012 9:46:46 AM UTC-4, charlie wrote:
 
 I don't disagree but without and actual change in what one eats (if trying 
 to lose fat) this doesn't work.
 
 On Wednesday, October 10, 2012 9:46:46 AM UTC-4, charlie wrote:
 
 I don't disagree but without and actual change in what one eats (if trying 
 to lose fat) this doesn't work.
 
 of course food is part of the wellness equation.  my point is that positive 
 lifestyle choices have a way of gaining momentum and spilling over into 
 other aspects of our lives.  when we are well, the choice to eat healthfully 
 and be active becomes less and less of a choice.  like Lyle wrote above, he 
 plays for fitness.  wellness is a self-reinforcing cycle, just as 
 unhealthy lifestyles and diet are part of a self-reinforcing vicious 
 cycle. 
 
 in this context, it doesn't surprise me at all that the truly obese have a 
 serious struggle as depression, social anxiety and an unhealthy relationship 
 with food and/or substance abuse trend together.  Food is particularly 
 tricky because we eat 3-5 times/day - if somebody is bummed out or stressed 
 out, it's going to be damn hard to do the right thing 3-5/day.  i linked a 
 bike related story below - I've met this guy.  his story made an impact on 
 me and got me thinking about how mind and body need to work together to 
 solve these problems.  the common thread with a lot of the success stories 
 i've read have to do with goal setting - and not, i'm going to lose 20lbs 
 by changing what I eat kind of goals.  weight loss via diet alone doesn't 
 address the bigger issue that is lifestyle.  when the going gets rough, 
 there's nothing to reinforce the positive choices that led to the weight 
 loss and people inevitably put the weight back on.  setting goals that help 
 build a supportive social network, promote an active lifestyle, etc. will 
 guide one to positive choices all around, push us to be the best version of 
 ourselves and get on the path to mental and physical wellness.  food, both 
 good and bad, has been around for a long time - to start blaming these foods 
 or those foods now instead of recognizing and acknowledging cultural issues 
 and being honest with ourselves about how we live and what we eat is a red 
 herring.  food is simple.  life isn't - and that's when food becomes 
 complicated.
 
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Re: [RBW] That Diet and Exercise thing again!

[Bertin753]

Don't be silly. Be reasonable. There are millions of people worldwide who 
happily and healthily eat diets largely composed of carbs with few health 
problems. Please don't be totalitarian.

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On Oct 10, 2012, at 11:21 PM, charlie cl_v...@hotmail.com wrote:

 
 Yes Patrick,
 
 If you are a leaned out super stud with no health problems due to your diet 
 you may rest on the knowledge that you are invincible ; ) Ride on brutha 
 its all good. 
 
 
 
 On Wednesday, October 10, 2012 8:25:16 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
 
 Again, not to be annoying, this applies to some people and not for others.
 
 Patrick Moore
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 On Oct 10, 2012, at 9:12 PM, charlie cl_...@hotmail.com wrote:
 
 I don't doubt Ernest was depressed and it is quite an achievement to lose 
 200 pounds (me only 90 total) and I don't doubt the mind, body, lifestyle 
 thing all have to work together.. I do believe however that eating 
 carbohydrates does drive your blood sugar up causing the yo yo effect 
 creating cravings for more and since they are not burned up or handled by 
 an exhausted pancreas they get stored as fat. Pretty simple to me and is my 
 experience. Eating protein, fat and veggies primarily has made it easier to 
 resist sugar cravings, keeps me satiated and fuels the old body throughout 
 the day without hunger. As far as maintaining the choice to eat that way, 
 yes...you have to make it a lifestyle change (sometimes on a minute by 
 minute basis) and you can't (without consequences), compromise very often 
 or at all depending on your particular sensitivity. Moving around is 
 important also but I will say that my first 30 pound loss was while I was 
 working 12 hours+ a day at a sit down job and doing virtually no exercise 
 other than the very spotty bicycle ride a couple days a week. Working less, 
 sleeping more and moving around are the changes I am slowly making as a few 
 financial things fall into place. The one thing I can easily choose 
 regardless of my current hectic lifestyle however is the type and amount of 
 food I consume. I now end my speech and defer to others...
 
 On Wednesday, October 10, 2012 8:48:49 AM UTC-7, Patrick in VT wrote:I
 
 On Wednesday, October 10, 2012 9:46:46 AM UTC-4, charlie wrote:
 
 I don't disagree but without and actual change in what one eats (if 
 trying to lose fat) this doesn't work. 
 
 On Wednesday, October 10, 2012 9:46:46 AM UTC-4, charlie wrote:
 
 I don't disagree but without and actual change in what one eats (if 
 trying to lose fat) this doesn't work. 
 
 of course food is part of the wellness equation.  my point is that 
 positive lifestyle choices have a way of gaining momentum and spilling 
 over into other aspects of our lives.  when we are well, the choice to eat 
 healthfully and be active becomes less and less of a choice.  like Lyle 
 wrote above, he plays for fitness.  wellness is a self-reinforcing 
 cycle, just as unhealthy lifestyles and diet are part of a 
 self-reinforcing vicious cycle. 
 
 in this context, it doesn't surprise me at all that the truly obese have a 
 serious struggle as depression, social anxiety and an unhealthy 
 relationship with food and/or substance abuse trend together.  Food is 
 particularly tricky because we eat 3-5 times/day - if somebody is bummed 
 out or stressed out, it's going to be damn hard to do the right thing 
 3-5/day.  i linked a bike related story below - I've met this guy.  his 
 story made an impact on me and got me thinking about how mind and body 
 need to work together to solve these problems.  the common thread with a 
 lot of the success stories i've read have to do with goal setting - and 
 not, i'm going to lose 20lbs by changing what I eat kind of goals.  
 weight loss via diet alone doesn't address the bigger issue that is 
 lifestyle.  when the going gets rough, there's nothing to reinforce the 
 positive choices that led to the weight loss and people inevitably put the 
 weight back on.  setting goals that help build a supportive social 
 network, promote an active lifestyle, etc. will guide one to positive 
 choices all around, push us to be the best version of ourselves and get on 
 the path to mental and physical wellness.  food, both good and bad, has 
 been around for a long time - to start blaming these foods or those foods 
 now instead of recognizing and acknowledging cultural issues and being 
 honest with ourselves about how we live and what we eat is a red herring.  
 food is simple.  life isn't - and that's when food becomes complicated.
 
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Re: [RBW] In theory: New Riv model with new SRAM 1x11 and no FD

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Really? A 42 t cog? What sort of rear dérailleur can handle so big a one? I 
suppose that one will need the proprietary SRAM rd?

That's great news--would allow a 46/34 double with a low in the 20s.

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 I'm pretty sure that the new Riv model with no cable stop for front shifting 
 (and hence no easy way to do a FD) would be a great candidate the new cogs 
 that SRAM is coming out with: 11 speed cluster in the rear with 42 as the 
 largest one and only one chainring in the front.
 
 You could do 34 or 32 as your single front chainring and still pretty much 
 have a lowest gear suitable for touring. With a 32 in front, the 32/42 low 
 would be very similar to a 24T granny combined with 32T rear cog. With a 34 
 in front, the 34/42 low would be a bit easier than a 24/29.
 
 The lack of large outer chainring would provide good real estate for a pants 
 guard. Also, I've been riding my 1x11 Alfine QB a lot lately, and it's nice 
 to have a wide gear range and no FD. Just a bit less complication and a 
 beautiful bare seat tube when you look down. I think it would be even better 
 with a rear derailleur instead of IGH.
 
 Such a bike would be really sweet.
 
 -Jim W.
 
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Re: [RBW] Headwinds bummer....need tips...

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Riding fixed where the winds are pretty strong, I've learned to find a groove 
with a cadence slow enough to stay aerobic -- with a bit of experience this 
becomes natural. Basic rule: learn not to push it.

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On Sep 23, 2012, at 9:36 AM, Kelly tkslee...@gmail.com wrote:

 Not saying you do this but cover the speedometer.  Don't look and don't chase 
 a speed any speed.
 Just like a hill, a very long hill find a comfortable pedal stroke and go.  
 For me it's the noise of headwinds more than the effort that sucks.
 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Odd question about Hunq

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Even 60s are skinny for loose sand, which is why I am interested in the 
differwnce with at least 75mm tires and even compared to a fatbike.

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On Sep 23, 2012, at 9:46 AM, Marc Irwin irwin7...@gmail.com wrote:

 52CM Schwalbe Albert's are the largest I have tried.  I can't imagine needing 
 anything larger than that.  I intend to try Nokian extremes this winter to 
 play in the snow.
 
 Marc
 
 On Saturday, September 22, 2012 12:19:24 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
 If anyone has experience riding the Hunquapillar off road with 60s, AND 
 riding a fatbike (Pugsley in particular) I've got questions for you that I 
 don't want to clutter up the list with. Si placet?
 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Which bike next....?

[Bertin753]

I would look closely at a Soma Smoothie (or the SS ES if you want overized 
tubing. Cheap and per reports a very nice ride.



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On Sep 22, 2012, at 5:45 PM, Toshi Takeuchi tto...@gmail.com wrote:

 I have a Surly Pacer, and that would be more roadish and now comes in a 
 complete bike--best of all, they are great candidates for a 650b conversion. 
 The LHT is also an excellent bike. When my friends can't spring for a Riv, I 
 steer them toward a Surly.
 
 Toshi
 
 
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 The Soma Double Cross is a nice bike too, Soma Fab. sells a lot of Riv type 
 stuff too.  Or Black Mountain Cycles cross bike. Both will fit some nice fat 
 (45mm) tires. Both are lighter and nicer ( IMO) then the LHT for most all 
 purpose riding.
 
 ~mike
 Carlsbad Ca.
 
 
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Re: [RBW] Another coroplast bar bag

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I want to see an election sign  bike box with the only sensible political 
slogan in the last 50 years, Gary Johnson's quip, I never exhaled. Or else a 
straight ticket None of the above.

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 Well done. I like the random graphic elements. Reminds me of things made from 
 old sailcloth. 
 BTW, wouldn't it be Bar BOX?
 
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Re: [RBW] Who did see in St. Paul today?

[Bertin753]

Tim-- Thanks; both crank and AR are beautiful. I did notice the non-canonical 
bes height.

If I were on my computer I'd post a photo of a lightweight, hollow-arm steel 
crank featured on Classic Ligjtweights UK. Apparently as light as modern 
lightweight cranks and absolutely beautiful. I think the best steel cranks are 
the most beautiful ever made.

All Rounder: my first road  custom was built around that same model with a few 
geometry tweaks--a good design.

Patrick Moore
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On Aug 31, 2012, at 2:53 PM, Tim McNamara tim...@bitstream.net wrote:

 Hunting around on line, these are the very cranks- Campagnolo Sport:
 
 http://imagehost.vendio.com/c/3561856/view/campy_steel_crankset.jpg
 
 Here is another set:
 
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/23666168@N04/6477223433/
 
 I have only ever seen the one example in person...
 
 
 My custom 1996 All-Rounder is at the top of the page here:
 
 http://members.bitstream.net/~timmcn/tour2000.html
 
 but there are some changes since then.  The most noticeable is that it now 
 has a Nitto small front rack, a Bertoud Mini 86 front bag.  Other changes 
 include Frogs, SunTour Superbe Pro rear derailleur and friction downtube 
 shifter, and there is a Sanyo generator mounted to the Nitto rack because it 
 wouldn't fit onto the chainstays as originally designed, due to the unusual 
 bends of the A/R stays.  I use Pasela 16 x 1.25 tires on it.  The Nelson is 
 on another bike.  The A/R is such a wonderful bike to ride!  
 
 You may notice that it is obviously much too small by Riv standards.  When I 
 bought it, my intent had been for it to be a road and MTB with a switch of 
 wheels and I used it as such for a few years; it was sized small to provide 
 top tube clearance with my bits and pieces.  With a set of 1.95 knobbies it 
 was a good trail bike, but I really don't enjoy mountain biking all that much 
 and eventually it became a road bike.  In retrospect I should have known 
 better and gotten a 62-63.  Grant tried to convince me, pointing out that the 
 TT clearance issue even in MTBs is over-rated.  Oh well, live and learn.  
 This one still works great with a Nitto Tech Deluxe stem raised up high 
 enough.
 
 Tim
 
 
 On Aug 31, 2012, at 2:27 PM, PATRICK MOORE wrote:
 
 Oh, photos, photos, photos, puhLEEZ! I've seen aluminum cottered cranks but 
 never a steel cotterless, let alone a Campy one.
 
 (Wouldn't mind seeing the custom, neither.)
 
 On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 12:36 PM, Tim McNamara tim...@bitstream.net wrote:
 On Aug 31, 2012, at 11:40 AM, Liesl li...@smm.org wrote:
 
 Gent on a green riv custom at university and Raymond around 11:30 am. I 
 shouted Nice Riv! Which one of you did I see
 Liesl on-my-way-to-the-state-fair
 
 That was me.  We thought you shouted nice rig and we debated whether it 
 was in reference to my bike or buddy John's classic Cilo Pacer (with steel 
 cotterless Campy crank and steel pre-Nuovo Record derailleurs).  Then I 
 wondered if it was nice Riv which then led me to wonder if it was indeed 
 Liesl, since there aren't that many Rivenistas around here.
 
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[RBW] Re: And now for something completely different

[Bertin753]

To reply to Jim D's  comment: yes, he makes a career out of permanent 
peevishness -- not always without reason, given what appears to be the sorry 
state of modern Britain. But he is a true and dedicated cyclist who rides to 
get to places--don' think he owns a car--and who regrets the passing of 
Britain's earlier cycling culture.

Patrick Moore
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On Aug 12, 2012, at 1:50 PM, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote:

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2P86C-1x3o
 
 Conservative loonie (not a loonie because he is conservative; he's
 just a loonie and he is conservative), long-time dedicated
 transportation cyclist, and brother-to-Christopher, Peter Hitchens,
 writing for the raggish Mail, sez:
 
 If you believe that Olympic glory makes a nation great, just remember the 
 USSR
 This is Peter Hitchens’ Mail on Sunday column
 
 It seems that you can now be arrested for not smiling when an Olympic
 event is taking place. So I had better watch out in case I am wrestled
 to the ground and carted off by some Compulsory Happiness snatch
 squad.
 
 For I have not been smiling nearly enough. I have watched two or three
 races on the TV.
 
 There is still something thrilling in a raw contest among men and
 women stretched to the uttermost, in which there can be only one
 winner.
 
 It is refreshingly unlike modern Britain, where the very idea that
 there must be losers for there to be winners is banned from most
 schools, and denied by our political leaders.
 
 But I can summon up little interest in all the other alleged sports,
 dancing animals, underwater basketball, bikini display or whatever
 they are. As a lifelong cyclist, I find myself startlingly unmoved by
 Olympic cycling.
 
 It is too technological, too dependent on machines and airlocks.
 
 The riders look like aliens in their special outfits.
 
 But good luck to you if you have enjoyed it. I am happy for you,
 provided I’m allowed to differ from you. The trouble is, I’m not sure
 I am.
 
 From the moment these Olympics started, there’s been a strong smell of
 New Labour totalitarianism.
 
 Those who have dared to say they didn’t like the Opening Ceremony have
 been lectured and made to feel isolated.
 
 The BBC even transmitted an astonishing personal attack on me in which
 I was misrepresented (they have since apologised, an event as rare as
 a Lottery win, but alas the apology is nothing like good enough).
 
 Now someone called Armando Iannucci, who is famous for something, has
 called me a ‘scribbling cynic’ and proclaimed that I and those like me
 ‘took a hell of a beating’.
 
 I think this is because the British team has won a lot of medals, and
 the Opening Ceremony has been much praised.
 
 I can’t see why an Olympic opening ceremony should have any politics
 in it at all. But remember how deeply the Blairite Cosa Nostra was
 involved in securing the Olympics for London at all costs, and how
 their heirs, the Cameron Tories, have taken up the baton.
 
 Why? I think the pitiful failure of the Millennium Dome rankled badly
 with the Blairites. They were and are revolutionaries. They had long
 hoped to use the new century to proclaim Year One of their nasty,
 tatty, multicultural, anti-Christian New Britain.
 
 Put simply, I think they wanted to undo the magic of the 1953
 Coronation Ceremony, with modernist incantations and a censored,
 reordered version of our national history.
 
 The Olympics were a second chance, in which a normal love of sport
 could be converted into an anti-conservative wave of feeling.
 
 And behold, they have done it. I don’t begrudge the winners their joy,
 or the spectators their delight.
 
 But do Olympic medals make a nation great? Was the USSR a great nation
 because it won lots of them? Is Jamaica a stable and happy society
 because Usain Bolt is a great athlete?
 Would you rather have Australia’s thriving economy, or Britain’s medal
 tally? And by the way, have Prince William and his wife forgotten that
 they are future monarchs of Australia?
 
 In a free country, there is no obvious connection between sporting
 achievement and national standing. The truth is that we have used
 scarce money to hire coaches, buy equipment and subsidise athletes in
 sports where competition is weak.
 
 When all this is over, we will still be broke, disorderly, badly
 educated and gravely troubled by the greatest wave of mass immigration
 in our history. I cannot see why I should smile about that.
 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Re fewer-speed cogsets

[Bertin753]

Regarding steel vs aluminium: I've 11000+ miles on a 46t TA Pro 5 Vis chainring 
with no wear that I can see. Pavement, dry, but dusty. 

Patrick Moore
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On Aug 11, 2012, at 11:49 AM, charlie cl_v...@hotmail.com wrote:

 Just ordered stainless steel chain rings so I'm working on the switch from 
 aluminum to steel where possible.
 
 On Saturday, August 11, 2012 10:29:54 AM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
 http://www.classiclightweights.co.uk/bikes/ferris-clarke-rb.html 
 
 This setup is pretty nice, tho' I'd prefer a 17 in place of the 16. 
 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Complaints about bad roads

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Just for the record, *some* Schwalbes are very smooth, fast rolling tires, the 
Kojak for example. Even the massively heavy Big Apple rolls nicely for its 
mass. 

Patrick Moore
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On Aug 5, 2012, at 9:32 PM, Anne Paulson anne.paul...@gmail.com wrote:

 Replying to my own post:
 
 I was just reading the Bicycle Quarterly blog, noting that they say
 that Paselas (which I was using) are fast-rolling tires, whereas
 Schwalbes are both slow and harsh-riding. So maybe that's the
 explanation of my riding companions' complaints. They were using
 Schwalbes.
 
 On Sun, Aug 5, 2012 at 12:57 PM, Anne Paulson anne.paul...@gmail.com wrote:
 I just last week got back from a 2500 mile tour, Mexico to Canada via
 the Sierra and the Cascades. Once again, as often happens, my riding
 companions sometimes complained that about rough roads. And once
 again, in the main I didn't notice the roads being rough, although the
 dirt  detours that I took a time or two and my companions didn't were
 pretty bumpy in places.
 
 I'm at a loss to understand what I'm missing. This was a loaded tour.
 I was riding my Atlantis with 26 x 1.5 Panaracer Paselas, which should
 be comfortable tires, by my companions were riding fine touring bikes
 (Surly LHT, Co-Motion Americano, other touring bikes) with reasonable
 touring tires (mostly Schwalbe Marathons, one guy had Vittoria
 Randonneurs I think). Why are these fragile flowers noticing bad roads
 when I don't? What are they doing wrong, that they're riding touring
 bikes and complaining about chipseal?
 
 When I ride at home on unloaded bikes, my friends sometimes complain
 about bad roads when I don't, but I chalk that up to their insistence
 in riding 25 mm tires pumped up to 120 pounds while I'm happy on my
 Roadeo with 28 mm tires.
 
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[RBW] ISO all steel, silver, 130 mm rear QR

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As it says. **All** steel, please, and not just a steel skewer. Can pay or 
trade. Thanks.

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[RBW] Looking for shoe plates to convert road shoes to spd

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Shimano used to make metal plates that bolted to road shoes and let you mount 
SPD cleats along with pontoons to allow easier walking. I have cleats, 
pontoons but no plates. Does anyone have some, or know a source?

Thanks.

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Re: [RBW] Re: The Knee Shift

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Glad your property is intact!

Funny, I have been wary of doing the same thing on my Fargo, but the 
near-incidents have been fewer with the narrower, 42 cm Noodles than with the 
earlier 46es.

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On Jul 23, 2012, at 2:07 PM, Shifty 1upand1d...@gmail.com wrote:

 The Good Lord reminds me to be humble:
 
 Although I boasted of my milestone one-two knee shift two weeks back, I was 
 brought back down to earth yesterday when I over-knee shifted into the small 
 ring on a climb and nearly lost my manhood. The resulting surge towards a 
 very tall Nitto stem was narrowly avoided. Not so lucky at 10 years old when 
 my...boyhood met the stick shifter on my Schwinn Fastback with banana seat.
 
 Possible side effects include dizziness, nausea and temporary blindness.
 
 Shifty
 
 
 
 On Thursday, July 12, 2012 9:06:47 PM UTC-5, peec...@yahoo.com wrote:
 I am truly amazed at your expertise.  Zen and the art of bar end shifting.
 
 On Wednesday, July 11, 2012 9:47:34 AM UTC-5, Shifty wrote:
 A beautiful early morning ride here in Minneapolis found me wondering if 
 anyone else finds their bliss in a perfectly executed knee shift? That is, 
 when one uses the knee to downshift the bar end shifter while standing out of 
 the saddle, mashing pedals with hands on the hoods, preventing proper reach 
 to the shifters. Today, I struck the perfect one-two punch: perfectly 
 executed front derailleur and rear derailleur shifts with no hand recovery 
 necessary to readjust an over/under nudge. In over 30 years of executing the 
 skill, I don't believe I've ever achieved a double knee shift.
 
 Yes, it's been a good day indeed.
 
 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Grant on Brian Lehrer

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Actually, foot retention does help when grinding a fixed 70 -- 75 gear up a 
steep hill. You can't do it for long  -- half a mile, say -- but it certainly 
helps. One reason I went back to clipless was that I kept pulling my feet out 
of the straps when climbing 

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On Jul 23, 2012, at 10:10 PM, Peter Morgano uscpeter11...@gmail.com wrote:

 My favorite comment of all was
  
  Mike In Bklyn from Brooklyn
 Boy there was a lot of misleading info in this segment.
 
 On clips and pulling up on the pedals-- anyone who tries to pedal a bike out 
 of the saddle comes quickly to appreciate clips. And I don't know what kind 
 of riding this quy has done, but he should try climbing a 9% grade hill and 
 then tell me whether could do so without pulling up on pedals  Take that 
 grant, i bet he is always just wishing he had those clipless pedals up Mt 
 Diablo, since as another guy said the ones without clips ruin our knees. What 
 a bunch of mouth breathers, this is why bikesnob has just been able to 
 eviscerate the culture around bikes, it can just get so silly. And while it 
 is a shame not everyone can afford a Rivendell that doesnt make them out of 
 reach, I mean these people should think about how much money they piss away 
 on cars and gas, you will make your money back pretty fast. 
 
 
 On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 11:51 PM, Joe Bernard joerem...@gmail.com wrote:
 I'm in full support of not riding with a helmet if that's what you choose, 
 but stories from old guys who made it through their youths without them are 
 easy to come by from the ones who actually made it, 'cause, ya know, we made 
 it! I crashed a goodly number of times on my old Stingrays and 10-speeds, and 
 banged my head hard a few times. I'm lucky I got away with it, and usually 
 wear a helmet now.
  
 Joe Bernard
 Vallejo, CA.
 
 On Monday, July 23, 2012 8:31:38 PM UTC-7, charlie wrote:
 Great job Grant..in such a limited format.don't let some of doz 
 guyz get ya down. Controversy always gets attention. Its just too bad many 
 still believe the common misconceptions you often speak of. I used to think 
 many of things you speak about were necessary (clipless pedals, cycling 
 specific clothing, helmets all that stuff) until I actually thought about it 
 critically and remembered my youth and all the riding we did without any of 
 that stuff. I actually did ride a bicycle like most of the rest of the world 
 did and still does with.no helmet, no special 'kit', no special 
 shoes, bars actually higher than my saddle, wider tires and no emphasis on 
 riding all bent over like a professional racer. Those were some of the best 
 bicycling years of my life.and I didn't die (thankfully) from not wearing 
 a helmet even though I crashed more than once.
 
 On Monday, July 23, 2012 12:03:20 PM UTC-7, Peter M wrote:
 Good discussion, comments on the bottom of the page prove what an 
 asshole place NYC is to live 
 
 http://www.wnyc.org/shows/bl/2012/jul/23/bicycling-101/?utm_source=feedburnerutm_medium=%24%7Bfeed%7Dutm_campaign=Feed%3A+%24%7Bbl%7D+%28%24%7BBrian+Lehrer%7D%29
  
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Re: [RBW] Re: DT shifter issues

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I can't advise about the slipping FD except to conjecture that something is 
keeping the bolt from tightening as it should. But as to the rear, I expect 
that it is a matter of learning shifting finesse. I have only 7 on the rear, 
but they are separated by 9 sp spacers (because that is what I had) and the 
silver bes shifts them fine. The trick is not anticipate the Hyperglide 
feature: move the lever just that tiny bit that experience teaches you is 
required by the gap, and let the ramps, etc., do their work. That took me a 
while to learn. 

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On Jul 2, 2012, at 5:46 PM, Eric Peterson peterson.er...@gmail.com wrote:

 I installed the Silvers on my Velo Orange rando bike and have been very 
 unhappy with their performance. There are two basic problems.
 
 First, I experienced phantom shifting of the FD. The shifter cannot hold the 
 FD in place in the middle ring (on a Sugino triple). Instead, after a short 
 time, it will drop to the inner ring. This occurred over and over on my 
 recent 400K brevet and I was NOT happy, as I was always going up a hill at 
 the time. I am using a modern DA FD, so perhaps the spring tension is too 
 high for the shifter. But it is the FD that I have available. If there are 
 any specific models of older FDs that would alleviate this condition, please 
 send along this information, along with any suggestions for sources. 
 
 The other problem is just as bad. The shifter will not shift a 9-speed 
 Shimano cassette very effectively. You think you have nailed it, then the 
 chain jumps one way or the other. It's like the micro-clicks simply cannot 
 position the chain close enough to the center of the cassette for some gears. 
 So there was a lot of chain hopping going on back there. After a while I just 
 stopped shifting sometimes and just stood on the pedals. 
 
 Bottom line, I will remove these and go back to Shimano. 9-speed BES have 
 worked well for me in the past, but I did not want to route the cables along 
 the handlebar in order to avoid the front bag I am using, so I initially 
 tried DA 9-speed DT shifters, but the rear one felt a little loose, and lined 
 up funny with the left one (so I thought), but now I have little choice but 
 to go with one of these or the other.
 
 Another option would be to go back to a 7/8 speed cassette, perhaps the 
 Silvers work well with those. But there is still the FD problem
 
 Eric Peterson
 Naperville, IL
 
 On Monday, July 2, 2012 10:24:10 AM UTC-5, Mike wrote:
 So I've been using Silver shifters for a few years now and overall like them 
 a lot with one exception. When I mount them on the DT on my 63cm Hilsen or 
 63cm randonneuring bike, the front shifter slips when standing on the pedals 
 during a hard effort such as going over rollers causing the FD cage to rub on 
 the chain. This was exceptionally annoying last week during the Cascade 
 1200k. 
 
 I've had the problem to a lesser degree when the shifters are mounted on the 
 BE.
 
 The shifter and cable are mounted correctly. This is an issue that has 
 persisted even when the shifters were installed by a knowledgeable mechanic. 
 And yes, the shifter is tightened down on the braze-on.
 
 I'm considering giving Shimano Dura Ace 9spd DT shifters a try. For folks 
 using them, any issues? I've looked for 8spd Dura Ace shifters, which I'd 
 prefer, but Shimano does not seem to be making them anymore. I may just go 
 with 9spd and run the rear shifter in friction mode as my current drivetrain 
 is 8spd.
 
 I'm thinking that this might just be an issue due to the size of my frame and 
 my weight--185lb. I'd be curious what others' experiences have been with the 
 Shimano shifters. 
 
 Oh, and if anyone has a pair of Dura Ace 8spd shifters for sale, let me know.
 
 Thanks,
 mike
 
 
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Re: [RBW] New Mexico listmembers?

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Slowly. And things are not nearly so bad when humidity is 5%. The wind--hot and 
dry--doesn't help. In 15 miles (admittedly with considerable climbing and sand) 
I drank 68 oz--after filling up before departure and filling up again upon 
return. 

Patrick Moore
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On Jun 20, 2012, at 6:31 PM, Michael Hechmer mhech...@gmail.com wrote:

 OK, Im a pure interloper from the VT. I have been to NM twice and absolutely 
 loved the state, but have a question.  Today it was in the hi 90's here in 
 northern VT and I rode 35 miles while scheleping between meetings.  By the 
 time I arrived back home I was  toastfried chicken wilted 
 spinach.  Wiped out  dragging my butt.  How do you guy's ride that close to 
 the sun?
 
 Michael
 Westford, VT
 
 On Wednesday, June 20, 2012 6:10:57 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
 Yes, Don too -- tho' I thought he was ibob. 
 
 At least some of us are manly enough to ride in the sun -- did a 
 rather chore-like 15 miler early this afternoon trying to explore the 
 sand roads on the north west mesa -- north of Paseo de Volcan -- only 
 to find that the sand was deeper than is pleasant, the washboard 
 deeper than tolerable, the scenery more trashy than bucolic and the 
 directions more mazy than inviting. Will have to find other west mesa 
 roads to ride. At least I got in some miles of climbing against a 
 strong headwind! It's the bosque for me from now on, unless it's early 
 morning or until the city closes it for fire safety. 
 
 On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 3:54 PM, Ryan Watson rswat...@me.com wrote: 
  What about Don? Are you still here? 
  Unless it cools down, any ride I organize will start after sunset! 
  
  Ryan in Albuquerque 
  
  
  
  On Jun 20, 2012, at 14:51, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: 
  
  I think I know of three NM riders post onlist: there's Tim [Lastname] 
  in Santa Fe who recently posted a sale; Ryan Watson in ABQ (who is 
  usually Out of State riding brevets), and myself in ABQ. 
  
  Then there are, also, Tarik Saleh who may not be on this list but is 
  worthy of it; Jamie; and one or two or three others who were on or 
  loosely affiliated with the iBob list if not on this list. One taught 
  at St. John's College and had or has a cycling blog. 
  
  Can anyone give an accurate census? Any interest in a group ride? I'd 
  be interested in going to Santa Fe or perhaps having Ryan map out a 
  ride in the east mountains. 
  
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Re: [RBW] Re: Saddlebags and smaller bikes

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I had this problem. I removed the platform and filed slots into the ends for 
the set screws, then used loctite on the screws.

Patrick Moore
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On Jun 7, 2012, at 6:03 PM, Lynne Fitz fitzb...@comcast.net wrote:

 Itty bitty bike and a Carradice Barley.  I use the Carradice Bagman.
 But I'm crabby at it now, the rack part won't stay in the clamp.
 
 Lynne F
 
 On Jun 7, 11:30 am, Duplomacette jjrhildr...@gmail.com wrote:
 I'm having the same problem with my medium on my 54 cross check.
 Pretty annoying. Nobody likes spending MORE money just to make the
 thing they just spent money on work.
 
 On Jun 7, 12:26 pm, johnb jbust...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 I am challenged by short legs. I have a 52cm Atlantis with 26 wheels with
 a medium saddlesack and SKS fenders. Because the bike frame is small and
 the saddle sack is medium, the bag rubs back and forth throughout the ride
 against the fender. When I put a rear rack on, it silences the bag but also
 cuts 30% of its capacity out since it gets a bit smushed... For the moment,
 I am tolerating the back and forth but there are days it bugs the — well
 lets just say it gets on my nerves.
 
 So my question, are there good canvas saddlebags that hold tools, tube,
 sunscreen and assorted sundries that will fit in my frame?
 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Saddlebags and smaller bikes

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On Jun 7, 2012, at 6:24 PM, Allingham II, Thomas J 
thomas.alling...@skadden.com wrote:

 See earlier in this thread ( or maybe even an earlier thread).  I had the 
 same problem, and Loctite didn't solve it. But someone (don't remember who) 
 said you just need to grind a little slot in the Bagman tubing, and it holds 
 perfectly.

That was I -- see below.
 
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 On Jun 7, 2012, at 8:19 PM, Bertin753 bertin...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I had this problem. I removed the platform and filed slots into the ends for 
 the set screws, then used loctite on the screws.
 
 Patrick Moore
 iPhone
 
 On Jun 7, 2012, at 6:03 PM, Lynne Fitz fitzb...@comcast.net wrote:
 
 Itty bitty bike and a Carradice Barley.  I use the Carradice Bagman.
 But I'm crabby at it now, the rack part won't stay in the clamp.
 
 Lynne F
 
 On Jun 7, 11:30 am, Duplomacette jjrhildr...@gmail.com wrote:
 I'm having the same problem with my medium on my 54 cross check.
 Pretty annoying. Nobody likes spending MORE money just to make the
 thing they just spent money on work.
 
 On Jun 7, 12:26 pm, johnb jbust...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 I am challenged by short legs. I have a 52cm Atlantis with 26 wheels with
 a medium saddlesack and SKS fenders. Because the bike frame is small and
 the saddle sack is medium, the bag rubs back and forth throughout the ride
 against the fender. When I put a rear rack on, it silences the bag but 
 also
 cuts 30% of its capacity out since it gets a bit smushed... For the 
 moment,
 I am tolerating the back and forth but there are days it bugs the — well
 lets just say it gets on my nerves.
 
 So my question, are there good canvas saddlebags that hold tools, tube,
 sunscreen and assorted sundries that will fit in my frame?
 
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