[RBW] Re: Ron's Ortho... stem question

[Brian McDermott]

I went from Billies to orthos on my Appaloosa, had to go from a 120 to 130 
for the extra sweep. Finding a suitable 26.0 stem was a challenge, ended up 
with a Miyata pantographed stem from eBay.
On Sunday, March 10, 2024 at 10:03:24 AM UTC-7 Chris K wrote:

> Hey all, I've got some Ortho Bars in my cart and looking for stem advice 
> from those who use this bar. Obv there are multiple fit and frame factors 
> that play into something like this, but curious what people are generally 
> going with. Here are the options I'm deciding between:
>
> - Faceplater 110mm
> - Faceplater 135mm
> - Tallux 12cm
>
> Will the 110 Faceplater be too short?
>

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[RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne Pictures Thread

[Brian McDermott]

48mm. I also had bilenky dimple the chain stays; it fit a 48 without it but 
it was a tad close

On Tuesday, February 20, 2024 at 11:30:09 AM UTC-5 Max S wrote:

> Oooh... I really like the look and the idea of this one!.. How bit a 650b 
> tire does it fit now? 
>
> - Max "wish I had friends with acetylene torches" in A2
>
> On Tuesday, February 20, 2024 at 9:27:07 AM UTC-5 brianmark...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Here’s mine, I’ve had it for two years or so. 56cm double tt, got the 
>> frame in this group, had a friend add canti bosses at 650b, and had it 
>> painted at Bilenky cycles in Philly. My favorite bike aside from my cargo 
>> bike, and I have to constantly convince myself it’s not the only bike I 
>> need. Currently in “rando” mode, but I’ve mostly had it with a basket in 
>> front and R14 in the rear. Really can do pretty much everything, and so 
>> comfortably! 
>>
>> On Monday, February 19, 2024 at 7:17:00 PM UTC-5 Tony Lockhart wrote:
>>
>>> [image: IMG_3348.JPG]
>>> 14 years and 4 months old...best bike I've ever had.
>>> On Saturday, February 17, 2024 at 11:36:22 AM UTC-8 Bikie#4646 wrote:
>>>
 Paul, I have a A.H. Homer for spirted mixed-surface riding. But I 
 figured I would get a 2015 (new) Sam Hillborne  for my touring needs. It 
 is 
 a bit stouter and capable for riding fully loaded, sometimes on dirt. 
 Confidence-building off road, mainly rail trails. I have it set up with a 
 Nitto rear rack and a Rivendell HAR front rack. Two to four Ortlieb 
 panniers and a Sugarloaf basket bag will take me for 5-day unsupported 
 trips without worry..
 I love this bike as a dedicated tourer but often pull the rear rack for 
 local riding. I find the mustache bars with the 100mm stem allows for 
 "stretching out" on longer days in the saddle. 
 I'm outfitted with 35mm tires because of the VO fenders, which I find 
 very helpful for mid-Atlantic and mid-West multi-day touring. I'd love to 
 try it on the C Towpath with wider rubber, but would miss the comfort 
 that fenders give.
 Here's my "Tuxedo Sam":
 [image: IMG_8012.jpeg] 

 Also:

 https://www.flickr.com/photos/bikecrazy-paul/53503542529/in/dateposted-public/

 Paul Germain
 Midlothian, Va.
 On Saturday, February 17, 2024 at 1:24:03 PM UTC-5 velomann wrote:

> Here are some pictures of my Hillborne, 2020 model in "Dark Gold" with 
> Cantilever bosses and the seatstay "socket" lug.
> I purchased the frame new through Golden Pliers here in PDX and built 
> it up myself, including wheels.
> Build notes:
> Wheels - Rear White Industries T11 hub, front SON Dyno hub, 32h laced 
> with Sapim butted spokes to Velocity Dyed rims, currently running 
> Panaracer 
> Pasela Protite 650b x 42 tires with silver Velo Orange Wavy fenders.
>
> Drivetrain - 2 x 9 with 170 Sugino XD2 triple crank with homemade 
> bashguard on outer ring, 38 x 24 middle/inner rings & 11-34 cassette, 
> shifted by Microshift thumbies,  Ultegra front and rear derailleurs 
> Jagwire 
> gold braided cable housing.
>
> Cockpit - Bosco bars and Nitto 130mm faceplate quill stem, harlequin 
> wrapped with orange and yellow Newbaums and a few coats of clear shellac. 
> Paul Components orange Love Levers pulling Paul Motolite brakes, ESI 
> silicone grips, Spurcycle limited-edition bell with orange striker.
>
> Racks & Bags - Wald 137 basket mounted to Nitto Mark's rack with 
> Marigold Outershell basketbag and limited edition Swift Industries/Camp 
> and 
> Go Slow Sideaddladdlebagkick stem pouch. Matching Zeitgeist saddlebag 
> supported by rear-mounted Nitto M18  rack.
>
> Flickr album here: https://flic.kr/s/aHsmS7U2WY
>
> Mike M
>
> [image: IMG_1530.JPG][image: IMG_4661.jpg][image: IMG_5025.jpg]
>
>
>  
>
> On Wednesday, February 14, 2024 at 10:35:39 AM UTC-8 Paul in Dallas 
> wrote:
>
>> After seeing various Sam owners pictures here and there on various 
>> threads I thought I would start a thread dedicated to the versatile 
>> Sam's.
>>
>> Perhaps such a thread already exists?
>>
>> No worries if it does and perhaps someone could post a link if there 
>> is one out there.
>>
>> Here is my Sam with upright bars.
>>
>> I'm an older Riv owner , almost 74 and still love riding and working 
>> on bikes.
>>
>> I managed just over 2700 miles in 2023 ( not all on the Sam)
>>  and hope to top that in 2024 the Good Lord willing.
>>
>> My bars are the  Sunlite North Road alloy version.
>> ( They also have a steel version)
>> I like these North Roads so much I have them on multiple bikes 
>>
>> I have a very tall stem column , (forget the brand)
>> and a thread less stem, Origin8 I think.
>> I need the bars way up for the old back.
>> It 

[RBW] Re: Susie / Appaloosa indecision

[Brian McDermott]

I haven't ridden a Susie, but do have an Appaloosa. If you're primarily 
commuting and also doing a little bit of trail stuff, the Appa is built for 
you. A perfect commuter, great for loaded touring, and I've only done light 
local trails with mine so far, which it's great on with Billie bars, but it 
has ample tire clearance that with knobbies and the right bars it would be 
great for rougher trails. Even on pavement, with hands forward of the brake 
levers it feels like a road bike. Truly an all-rounder. 

On Thursday, February 8, 2024 at 1:35:07 AM UTC-5 Luke Hendrickson wrote:

> I have the MIT Atlantis which is pretty close to the Appa in terms of geo, 
> etc. I mostly commute as well and the Atlantis is supremely comfy (the 
> Bullmoose bars, 2.25” tires, and leather saddle sure help). I hit some 
> mountain bike trails nearby in Marin and it descends confidently and climbs 
> securely. It’s better on not so tight singletrack (as is the case with all 
> of the long chanstay Rivs). 
>
> I commute from San Francisco to South San Francisco every workday with a 
> load in the front basket and I also use my bike for shopping and all 
> errands, at times helped by a B.O.B. trailer. The Atlantis is just … a 
> great all-rounder. I would imagine that the Appa will be that for you. 
> Perfunctory low-res image attached :)
>
> On Wednesday, February 7, 2024 at 10:12:18 PM UTC-8 Ed Carolipio wrote:
>
>> I think you could make either work for what you want to do and would be a 
>> pleasure to own. That said, I would opt for the Susie because of its 
>> uniqueness. I can't think of an off-the-shelf frame that offers the 
>> combination of design elements that the Susie does using lugs and fillet 
>> brazing, and I expect it will always be tough to find one in the used 
>> market.
>>
>> Ed C.
>> Redondo Beach, CA
>> On Wednesday, February 7, 2024 at 6:42:55 PM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> They are different bikes, so the only smart move is one of each.  
>>>
>>> BL in EC
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, February 7, 2024 at 1:23:50 PM UTC-8 BrianT wrote:
>>>
 Hey Everyone. I'm seriously torn between a lugged Susie and an 
 Appaloosa later this year. Help me commit!

 I commute and run errands (no question that's most of my mileage), but 
 fun rides are always in seek of trails with pavement as needed: day rides 
 plus occasional camping. I think each bike is overkill in a different way. 
 The Appaloosa is capable of longer distances and heavier loads, which 
 would 
 be pretty rare for me. The bigger tires on the Susie would open up more 
 technical singletrack, which would be similarly rare. 

 What to do? I like the idea of the Appaloosa's more traditional look, 
 but I like the Susie's higher handlebars and increased crotch clearance. 
 I'm likely to want fenders, so I may end up not using the Susie's tire 
 clearance to full advantage (sidebar: what's the biggest tire that will 
 really fit under a B65? B69? Anyone know of another decent-looking jumbo 
 fender?).

 All opinions welcome, with special thanks to anyone who's ridden or 
 owned both.

>>>

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[RBW] Re: Do V-O's thumb mounts 100% for sure work with Silver-1 shifters?

[Brian McDermott]

Yup, they work. I have them on my Appaloosa with Silver shifters. 
On Monday, December 4, 2023 at 8:11:34 AM UTC-5 modemm...@gmail.com wrote:

> Since I'm too impatient to wait for V-O's email response ( :D ) - can 
> anyone confirm 100% (i.e., from personal experience) if V-O thumb mounts ( 
> https://velo-orange.com/collections/shifters-1/products/vo-thumb-shifter-mounts-22-2-23-8
>  
> ) work with Rivendell's Silver-1 barend shifters without modification to 
> either?
>
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Re: [RBW] Appaloosa 57cm Purple

[Brian McDermott]

Are you the guy with the ebay listing at like $2500, even though the frame 
is $1750 new?

On Monday, November 20, 2023 at 7:36:06 PM UTC-5 Matthew Williams wrote:

> Yes, and therein hangs a tale.
>
> My plan was (and still is) to ride the Pacific Coast Highway (CA-1) from 
> San Francisco to San Diego. I bought the purple frameset to build a 
> touring bike with parts I’ve been collecting over the years. 
>
> Then I found a used bike with exactly the build I wanted.
>
> Then the transmission in my work truck died, so this project and trip are 
> on hold for the forseeable future. Bleh.
>
>
>
> On Nov 20, 2023, at 3:25 PM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>
> Matthew
>
> Is there a backstory for why you aren't opening the box and giving it a 
> try?  Did you have a change of heart?  Or a financial need cropped up?  Or 
> you found a used one, and don't need two?  
>
> Bill Lindsay 
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Sunday, November 19, 2023 at 3:00:09 PM UTC-8 Matthew Williams wrote:
>
>> Bump! All reasonable offers considered.
>>
>>
>> > On Oct 30, 2023, at 6:24 PM, Matthew Williams  
>> wrote:
>> > 
>> > Hi everyone, for sale is a new-in-the-box Appaloosa frameset:
>> > 
>> > 57cm
>> > Purple
>> > New in the box. Box is still sealed.
>> > $1911.88, exactly what I paid.
>> > Pay via Zelle
>> > 
>> > I bought it new from RBW but never built it up or took it out of the 
>> box. 
>> > 
>> > Local pickup in Berkeley: free!
>> > 
>> > Points beyond: buyer arranges, pays, and assumes all liability for 
>> shipping.
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
>>
>>
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[RBW] Re: short brake pads on v brakes

[Brian McDermott]

I have, they suck. They are supposed to be a plug and play install, no 
toe-in. They accomplish the desired purpose of not having to deflate the 
tire to remove the wheel, but I couldn't get them to not squeal or vibrate 
to the point that my headlight was cutting out. I tried sanding them, and 
even gently took some sandpaper to my brake track, which worked for about 
five brakings then it went right back to squealing like a banshee. 
Frustratingly just put my stock pads back on and deal with letting out air 
when the wheel needs to be removed. 

On Monday, November 20, 2023 at 8:58:40 PM UTC-5 ber...@bernardduhon.com 
wrote:

>  
>
>  
>
> Has anyone tried these short brake pads on v brakes 
>
> Sanity Brake Pads: Stubby V-Brake Pads that don’t make you deflate you – 
> Rivendell Bicycle Works (rivbike.com) 
> 
>
> They are supposed to allow removal of wheel without deflating tire, 
> without affecting braking power 
>
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[RBW] Re: Ride Report - First Century on my Atlantis - and at all

[Brian McDermott]

Nick- What a classic NOVA ride! I grew up in Leesburg and have ridden 
countless miles on the W ranging from skating to school on it when I was 
a freshman at Loudoun County High School, up until a few years ago when my 
folks still lived in the area. I'd be interested in seeing your route and 
trying it sometime; I rode the GAP/C last year from Pitt to DC on my 
Hillborne, tried it again this fall on my Appaloosa, but my knee gave out 
on me by the time we reached Cumberland and I had to bail. This looks like 
it would be fun to try in the spring. 

On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 6:46:39 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> I want to know more about that turtle-shaped moss-covered rock!  That guy 
> is a bad ass.  
> Excellent work 
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Thursday, November 16, 2023 at 12:32:14 PM UTC-8 thetaper...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> A good friend and I managed around 105 miles last weekend. It was our 
>> (the Atlantis and my) first century.
>>
>> We made a long loop here in the D.C. area. 
>>
>> First out to Leesburg on the W trail. It took a while for the sun to 
>> peek out from behind the autumn clouds, but when it did, all the frost 
>> started sublimating, making it look as though we were riding through clouds:
>>
>> [image: 2023_091735.jpeg]
>> [image: 2023_093939.jpeg]
>> [image: 2023_095837.jpeg]
>>
>>
>> Then wound our way northward to the Point Of Rocks bridge via rural roads 
>> in Loudoun County, both paved and gravel of various types:
>>
>> [image: 2023_115654.jpeg]
>> [image: 2023_115813.jpeg]
>>
>> And headed back to Georgetown on the C Canal towpath. Then on home 
>> after dark via the Mount Vernon trail and southern end of the W
>>
>> [image: 2023_140349.jpeg]
>>
>> We happened upon a giant old snapper sunning next to the towpath that had 
>> an ecosystem living on its back:
>>
>> [image: 2023_135651.jpeg]
>>
>> Around mile 65, we stopped for a break at one of the boat ramps near a 
>> lock house, with a lovely view of the Potomac:
>>
>> [image: 2023_145241.jpeg]
>>
>> All in all, it was a specacular though difficult (and, at times, cold 
>> and/or dark) ride. No real mechanical issues aside from a dropped chain 
>> here and there, for which we were both grateful. I feel that my Atlantis 
>> was truly in its element, traversing nearly every type of passable terrain 
>> with aplomb. I can't imagine having ridden anything else.
>>
>> [image: 2023_143422.jpeg]
>>
>> Nick A.
>> Falls Church VA
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Whoosa Getting an Appaloosa? 2023

[Brian McDermott]

I snagged a purple! I've been on the fence about the looong Rivs, and love 
my 650b conversion Hillborne, but due to the conversion, it's off-road 
abilities are somewhat hindered by the risk of pedal strike, especially in 
PA where the trails tend to be very rocky. The Appa has been growing on me, 
and when they announced they were getting a batch I couldn't get the idea 
out of my head, literally can't have been having dreams of a build. Then 
when the colors were unveiled, I thought Lime was a no-brainer, but the 
purple grew on me over the last couple of days, so that's what I went with. 
I plan on using it partly as a daily driver, and thinking with a thieve's 
brain, I think it would stand out less while locked up than a bright green? 
Maybe? Anyway, I'm excited for it to arrive; I have pretty much all of the 
parts for a quick build, including XTR brakes and levers. This'll be my 
first new-new Riv; I got my Hillborne from this group, same for my Bleriot 
(which got moved along a year+ ago). 

On Friday, May 26, 2023 at 5:38:16 PM UTC-4 Chester wrote:

> Just took a look and the Purple is sold out in all sizes. The Lime Olive 
> sold out in 57cm, 4 left of 54cm, 5 of 60cm left, and at least 10 of the 
> two smaller sizes.
>
> I had been set on buying an Appaloosa until I saw the update that Homers 
> are coming soon, too. Even though I bought Ed's Roadini, so the Appaloosa 
> would give me more of a different bike. Riding the Clem L I ostensibly 
> bought for my wife a lot, I love the ride but think for a townie I'd rather 
> have something lighter and with not quite as long a wheelbase. I'd ride it 
> on fire trail sort of trail and maybe very non-technical singletrack but 
> that's the roughest terrain I'd ride on it and I'm never going to ride with 
> real loads or do any touring or bikepacking. 
>
> Decision was easier when I saw the preview pictures of the two colorways. 
> I don't mind the shade of Purple but it's not hard to pass up.
> On Friday, May 26, 2023 at 12:17:36 PM UTC-7 brizbarn wrote:
>
>> Good luck to anyone getting one.  I luckily got my 2021 from Golden 
>> Pliers in Portland after the rest sold out.  They had a 60cm in stock, 
>> probably cause I showed interest in wanting to get one. Being able to see 
>> it in real life before buying was nice when you are dropping big bucks on a 
>> bike.  I built it up myself with some parts new parts, a few that I had, 
>>  and wheels that Golden Pliers built.  Only really have changed the stem to 
>> a Periscoppa, and added fenders for the season, the rest is dialed.  I love 
>> it and recon anyone buying one will too.  Here it is last October in 
>> Olympic National Park, overpacked as usual:
>> [image: DSCF8204.jpg]
>>
>>
>> On Friday, May 26, 2023 at 12:06:39 PM UTC-7 Keith Weaver wrote:
>>
>>> Looks like I got mine! All paid for, and order confirmation received. 
>>> I'm seeing some have already sold out. 
>>>
>>> On Fri, May 26, 2023 at 8:45 AM Keith Weaver  
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I'm hoping to get one, have been planning the build for months now. I 
 have a pair of Velo Orange Crazy Bars that I bought for a 90s MTB 
 conversion. That MTB had such a short steer tube I couldn't make it work, 
 but I kept the bars. We'll see if they work for the Appaloosa. I do have a 
 pair of Albatross bars around as a backup. I bought a used pair of 
 Vittoria 
 Terreno Dry tires (Thanks, Joe!) that are 47 mm wide as my starter pair. 
 Not sure what type of tire I'll end up with, but these look like a decent 
 compromise to start.

 It's been a lot of fun acquiring old parts, I'm going with an XTR rear 
 derailleur, Dura-ace clamp-on front, XT parallel-push V-brakes. I had Rich 
 build up a pair of wheels with a SON dynamo, also my first dynamo bike.

 I'm going for the Limeolive, can't quite get excited about the purple. 
 I really wanted mermaid, but oh well.

 Cheers,
 Keith

 On Fri, May 26, 2023 at 7:16 AM Johnny Alien  
 wrote:

> I am shocked thats a hot color honestly. I am not a huge fan and 
> Rivendell is set on making every bike in that color at this point. Then 
> again I am not in the market for a new bike right now so it doesn't 
> affect 
> me. :)
>
> On Friday, May 26, 2023 at 10:12:49 AM UTC-4 John A. Bennett wrote:
>
>> *I'd say if you want a purple Joe Appaloosa, pretend it's 2021. *
>>
>> On Friday, May 26, 2023 at 5:26:07 AM UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all — Who's getting an Appaloosa today? What color frame? Are you 
>>> building it up or Rivendell? How are you specifying the build? What 
>>> size 
>>> tires? Which bars? 
>>>
>>> I got mine built up in 2021 and had it built by Mark Abele at Riv. 
>>> But within a year I'd replaced the bars, stem, shifters, front wheel, 
>>> rear 
>>> derailer, front derailer and maybe something else I'm 

[RBW] Re: Nitto 32F Rack weight limit?

[Brian McDermott]

I've always thought the "weight limit" on that rack was absurdly low, 
especially for such an expensive item. If you put a bag or basket on it, 
there's half of the weight capacity taken up already. They just put that 
very conservative rating on it so that you don't load it up with 25 lbs of 
crap. I would say 15 is safe, and really, who would want that much weight 
that high anyway?

On Friday, February 3, 2023 at 9:36:55 PM UTC-5 zac.te...@gmail.com wrote:

> Looks like a lot of the sites say 4.4lbs. Are they saying that just to be 
> safe? Analog says 15lbs and if you're gonna go over to use a voile strap. 
> Has anyone tested this? Anyone pushing that 4.4lb limit regularly? 
>
> I want to throw a basket on it for grocery shopping. The soma rack I have 
> now attaches to the lower fork mounts but because of the headtube angle the 
> rack sits pretty far away from the headtube and a heavy load feels sloppy 
> way out there. 
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Are Paul brakes worth the money?

[Brian McDermott]

I've had the Racers, Mini-Motos, and the touring cantis. The Racers worked 
well, but I prefer a canti or V brake. The Mini-Motos are fantastic and 
provide excellent power and modulation, and the added bonus of working with 
road levers without a problem. 

Now for the touring cantis, I bought a set used on ebay, but when 
installing them on my Sam, I noticed I was missing a pivot. So, I installed 
one pair on the front, and a pair of Tektro TR720s on the rear while I 
waited for a new pivot. I ran this setup for many months, and I've gotta 
say, the difference between the Pauls and the Tektros was minimal. Of 
course, the Pauls were on the front so that is a factor, but...pound for 
pound, I think as far as cantis go, the Pauls aren't really worth it; aside 
from looks and maybe slightly improved modulation, being MUSA is the 
biggest selling point. 

On Friday, January 6, 2023 at 11:01:17 PM UTC-5 rus...@gmail.com wrote:

> [image: 24D7252C-D7C0-4D27-A5EF-3EF791511B96.jpeg][image: 
> A5D48AC9-A2DC-4B09-9CD1-D39C927720E0.jpeg]
>
> In my opinion, Paul brakes are definitely worth it, and they’re MUSA.
>
> I installed a pair of Mini Motos on my Surly Cross x Check with Campagnolo 
> Ergo levers, which is the a great go most anywhere setup. The Mini Motos 
> worked well enough with the Campy levers, but they worked perfectly with 
> Travel Agents installed. I love how they function, with great modulation 
> and no squeal. I’d recommend them to anyone wanting to use an Ergo system.
>
> Russell Duncan
> Leverett, MA USA
>
>
>
> On Friday, January 6, 2023 at 9:14:39 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Eliot: I did use one of these long, long ago, and looks ideal, elegant (= 
>> both not-bulky-looking and minimum-means-to-desired-end).
>>
>> I see that one -- NIP -- sold for $8 with $5 shipping back in October. 
>>
>> But I fear that the beefy threaded fender mount boss in the underside of 
>> the crown will interfere with this device; must take a look. And next, must 
>> learn if it's safe to drill holes in forward and rearward fore/aft crown 
>> walls; the fork was built for cantis and fenders, thus with no holes.
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 5, 2023 at 7:08 PM Eliot Balogh  wrote:
>>
>>> Patrick, can you use a Suntour power hanger ? I loved mine.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jan 5, 2023 at 5:24 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>>
 Thanks, good to know.

 On Thu, Jan 5, 2023 at 6:06 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:

> Klampers are great, the couple hydraulic systems I've tried (stock on 
> new bikes, I don't remember the brands) were marginally greater on the 
> road 
> but not worth the extra complication (bleeding) over the cable Pauls. 
> Your 
> results may vary on steep, rocky descents I don't ride. 
>
> Joe Bernard 
>
> On Thursday, January 5, 2023 at 4:46:22 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Philip: Can you (or can anyone else for that matter) say how the 
>> Klampers perform compared to TRP Hy Rds or to full hydraulics? I was 
>> just 
>> talking to my brother about the Hy Rds and wondering if the Kampers 
>> would 
>> be as powerful and modulate as well without the hydraulic complication.
>>
>> The Klampers have single-side pad actuation, right?
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 5, 2023 at 3:36 PM Philip Williamson <
>> philip.w...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> ... I do have a set of NIB Klampers I considered building a bike 
>>> around, but went with yet another canti-post bike (a Bruce Gordon, 
>>> woot!). 
>>>
>>
>>> Philip 
>>> Sonoma County, Calif (did it really just stop raining?) 
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Front low rider rack for Sam Hillborne

[Brian McDermott]

That’s brilliant

On Sun, Oct 9, 2022 at 20:20 Collin A  wrote:

> I ended up using a tubus tara on my appaloosa, but lowered the whole
> system down using some old chainring.
>
> The key is to bolt the chainrings at opposite maximums so the rack cannot
> rotate. It's works for forks that don't have the lowrider mount, but do
> have the rando rack mounts
>
> On Saturday, October 8, 2022 at 2:55:28 PM UTC-7 BobW wrote:
>
>> I'm considering taking my Sam on some bike tours so looking into from
>> lowrider rack for front panniers.  I already have a rear Tubus rack, so
>> would be wanting to utilize the low riders for additional panniers.
>> Looking for suggestions for proven solutions that fit the same well.   BTW,
>> my Sam is a non-canti model - sidepull calipers.
>>
>> Thanks!!
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[RBW] Re: WTB: Sunxcd 50.4 cranks 170mm or less or something else...

[Brian McDermott]

I went through a bit of a hoarding phase on 50.4 bcd cranksets, so I have a 
few pairs of Stronglights if you're interested in one. I also have a pair 
of TA's I may be willing to unload. 

On Saturday, October 8, 2022 at 4:23:06 PM UTC-4 J wrote:

> Howdy folks,
>
> I'm preparing parts for a new bike and I'm stuck on cranksets. I'd like to 
> run, what I think is called a sub compact double, but something in the 
> range of 42-26, or 44-26. I could just buy shorter chainring bolts and pull 
> the outer big ring off a triple crank (Sugino AT?) like I've done for 
> years, but I was hoping to do something a bit better looking this time 
> around. 
>
> The Sunxcd is sold out everywhere, I've never been to keen on White 
> Industries and only having black chainrings, RH are beautiful but too 
> expensive, TA are tough to nab on ebay, I don't think I can get that low 
> with the Velo Orange Grand Cru. 
>
> 11-32 or 11-34 cassette. 
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[RBW] Re: Rain! What do you ride?

[Brian McDermott]

I lived in Eugene, OR until a year ago. Fenders are essential, if you don't 
have them you might as well not ride because you'll be soaked within a 
minute or two. Aside from that, a decent rain jacket with a butt flap and 
good vents, water resistant gloves in the winter, waterproof/resistant 
boots (and maybe different shoes to change into when you get to your 
destination), and some rain chaps were the go-to. A simple bike like a 
fixed gear (or something with enclosed drive train etc) doesn't hurt, but 
isn't essential. 

On Monday, June 27, 2022 at 2:54:18 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:

> My interest may sound odd from someone riding in the desert, but precisely 
> because rain is so relatively rare here (9" citywide average between 14" 
> foothills and 5" Westside) that when it arrives, it's interesting.
>
> We've had the earliest and rainiest start to our SW Monsoon season in 
> years if not decades, considerably reducing the fire danger so great just a 
> couple of weeks ago (when there was a bush fire just 1 mile south of me; 
> and I live along the bosque). We must have had as much as 2" of rain in the 
> last 2 weeks, with more forecast.
>
> I wanted to ride in the rain to church yesterday morning, but was tired 
> and late, and the rain kept off despite lowering clouds on morning's ride, 
> although I carefully rode the Matthews 1:1 with new 4 1/2" front fender 
> flap and carried my cape and so'wester.
>
> On the way out and back I passed a group of young mothers along the bosque 
> bike trail shepherding a large group of very small children having the time 
> of their lives riding little bikes in the mud and playing in a big mud 
> puddle. Funny, you don't see small children playing in the puddles 
> nowadays, but I remember having great fun, age about the same as these 
> children playing in the flooded, muddy field across the street from my 
> house; rather like Christopher Robin in the WtP story.
>
> But I'm curious, what do all y'all in rainy places wear and ride on in 
> rainy weather? I find it fun to imagine the ideal rain bike: fixed gear (no 
> damned ss freewheel to complicate things), full oil-bath chaincase, full 
> fenders, with front extending 1/4 of the way around the forward curve of 
> the tire, and flap skimming the tarmac, with skirts covering the spokes on 
> the trailing 1/4 of the front wheel and forward 1/4 of the rear wheel; 
> clips 'n' straps with toe covers; dyno lighting mounted sufficiently low to 
> clear front and rear raincape overhang; have I missed anything?
>
> Oh, and while I've found that rain capes keep you perfectly dry from neck 
> to knee even in SW downpours with howling winds -- I commuted extensively 
> years ago across town with various rain capes, waxed cotton, various grades 
> of plastic --  (and so'westers keep one dry from neck to crown) my lower 
> legs and feet get wet. I guess this is where Splats come in handy?
>
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Re: [RBW] Searching for bike akin to Quickbeam

[Brian McDermott]

I'm currently working on a 1983 Trek 640 fixed 650b conversion. I'm using 
the Crust Spark fork and Velocity Atlas rims, and 42mm Paselas. I had the 
Quickbeam in mind with this build, but the low trail fork kinda makes it 
not-Quickbeam-ish, but the canti bosses and rock mounts adds Riv-ish 
versatility. 

On Sunday, June 12, 2022 at 3:00:18 PM UTC-4 Eric Daume wrote:

> Oh, sorry, I didn't see that lugged was a requirement. At least all of 
> these have a lugged fork!
>
> On Sun, Jun 12, 2022 at 2:58 PM Eric Daume  wrote:
>
>> For new, the Surly Cross Check is probably the closest competitor, but 
>> it's up to $700 for the frameset now, or $950 complete.
>>
>> The BMC Monstercross is like a CC with 0.1mm thinner tubing and worse 
>> cable routing. It's a few hundred more for the frameset.
>>
>> I've had both of these frame, and a QB, and put some comparison thoughts 
>> here:
>>
>>
>> https://bikingtoplay.blogspot.com/2019/05/rivendell-quickbeam-vs-surly-cross.html
>>
>> I may try a Handsome Devil next. Almost down to your price range ($550 or 
>> so), with a bit quicker handling than anything listed above.
>>
>> I've looked at a couple of used Le Tours, but the top tubes seemed very 
>> short on these. Maybe 57cm for a 25" frame? Anyway, something to check.
>>
>> Eric
>>
>> On Sun, Jun 12, 2022 at 9:46 AM James  wrote:
>>
>>> I have wanted a quick beam for a while now but the cost of a 3rd 
>>> rivendell is holding me back, so I'm looking for a similar frame.  Anyone 
>>> have any suggestions on a steel, lugged, horizontal dropout (front or rear 
>>> facing), fairly large wheel diameter bike?  One I could get for $500 max??  
>>> I have my eyes on a Schinn LeTour III and the only thing causing me pause 
>>> is tire clearance (35mm) .  Thanks for any suggestions.  (I have a 92cm PBH 
>>> for anyone between NC and RI) 
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Re: [RBW] Has anyone tried out their Uncle Ron's Orthopedic Bars?

[Brian McDermott]

That’s odd. I didn’t notice anything off with mine, but now I’m curious and
will have to check. I think I disagree on them being not much wider than
Albas though.

On Tue, Feb 15, 2022 at 13:13 'John Phillips' via RBW Owners Bunch <
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:

>I received my Ortho bars only to discover the bars are not symmetrical.
> Both the structural 25.4mm bar clamp section and the roughened grip section
> for the bar clamp are closer to the right hand side of the bars, and
> neither is lined up with each other.  I could live with the roughened
> section being a bit off, but the 25.4mm bar clamp section is way too far
> over to the right. I wrote Crust an email asking about a return. These bars
> are so wide you don't immediately notice something is off, but when I
> pulled out my 56mm Albatross bars to compare, I noticed the bar clamp
> sections wouldn't line up. I was trying to measure just how much stem
> extension I was going to need to move over from my Alba's to the Ortho
> bars, and saw something was really off.
>
>These bars are not actually a ton wider than my Alba's so I'll just
> stick with my albatross cockpit for now.
>
> John
>
> On Monday, February 14, 2022 at 7:40:56 AM UTC-8 mcgr...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I'm going to throw up a WTT thread at some point, but the Ron's Ortho
>> bars have just a couple of inch or inch and a half too much backwards reach
>> for my 62cm Hunqapillar (pictured here with a 120mm Technomic).  I think
>> I'd be better off with a Billie bar.  I'm in northern NJ, work in
>> Manhattan, if anyone would be interested in a trade...
>>
>> [image: Screenshot 2022-02-10 161030.png]
>>
>> On Thursday, February 10, 2022 at 3:37:30 PM UTC-5 john...@gmail.com
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks John, maybe Ronny Romance just has a huge stack of 26mm clamp
>>> stems from the 1990s in his parts stash :-)
>>>
>>> I bought a used Clem H in April 2021 and built it with a set of steel
>>> Ergotec Beach cruiser bars because they were the only thing
>>> I could find that looked even little a bit like the Ortho bars. I really
>>> love the range of positions, and the sweep is much more natural than flat
>>> mtb bars. Not so keen on the 880g weight though...
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> John
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, 10 Feb 2022 at 20:05, 'John Phillips' via RBW Owners Bunch <
>>> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>
 Eric,
I tried out a 120mm Technomic Deluxe and a 120mm Pearl for initial
 fit, and I liked the little bit of extra reach the Pearl gives me. A Nitto
 Pearl stem sunk all the way down in my Hunqapillar's short head tube still
 puts these bars about 8 cm's above my saddle.

 For some reason, Nitto measures the Pearl differently than the
 Technomic Deluxe and the Pearl is about 8-9mm longer. Why? I don't know.

 So if I decide later I need to raise these bars a bit higher, I think
 I'm going to need that one extra centimeter of the 130mm Technomic Deluxe.


 Hi Johnny,
Most handlebars Crust sells are 26mm or 31.8mm, maybe that's why?
 Could strength be a factor?  Fingers crossed Crust starts to stock some
 120-130mm stems for these bars.

 I think the demand for these bars caught Crust & Uncle Ron completely
 off guard.  Back in February 2021, when I emailed Uncle Ron with questions
 about a photo of what looked like giant, mutant Albatross bars on his
 Atlantis(?), he answered, "congrats on being the only person
 interested in my ortho back bars lol. it's a state of mind... "

 But then Crust put up those Uncle Ron's Orthopedic Back Bars
 Sesion#1-#3 ride videos up on Youtube, and Uncle Ron posted Instagram
 photos, and they created a monster.

 John
 On Wednesday, February 9, 2022 at 4:22:13 PM UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com
 wrote:

> @frahm30: I'm working on three builds plus a repair plus a drivetrain
> upgrade! Five bikes in varying stages of... disaster. Sorry to tempt you
> with my Ortho Fresh Bars (Still In Box for maximum health benefits).
>
> John, Ben's Cycle has the 26.0 clamp diameter, 190mm quill Technomic
> deluxe in size up to 120mm. If you can abide that lost centimeter check
> 'em here
> 
> .
>
> On Wednesday, February 9, 2022 at 2:05:09 PM UTC-5 John Phillips wrote:
>
>> I've been trying to find a 130mm Technomic deluxe with a 190mm quill,
>> but it looks like I'll have to use a 120mm Nitto Pearl until I do. I 
>> don't
>> need them too high, so fingers crossed.
>>
>> John
>>
>> On Wednesday, February 9, 2022 at 10:10:23 AM UTC-8 Bones wrote:
>>
>>> Sadly mine are in the shed too, and have not yet seen any use. I
>>> attached them to my Clem H on a 12cm Tallux but I haven't finished 
>>> putting
>>> it together. A 

[RBW] Re: Rivendell Inventory

[Brian McDermott]

I emailed VO about the flat pack rack a few weeks ago. I guess they're 
reissuing it with better hardware, and they got the protos for the new 
hardware about a month ago. They said they're hoping to have the new 
version up in the spring. 

On Thursday, January 6, 2022 at 8:29:39 AM UTC-5 Tom Wyland wrote:

> I've been waiting for a year to buy a quill faceplate stem from Velo 
> Orange. Ditto with their flat pack rack.  So it's not unique to Riv.
>
> Tom
>
>
> On Wednesday, January 5, 2022 at 9:04:32 PM UTC-5 Doug H. wrote:
>
>> Covid has wreaked havoc on the bicycle industry as well as many others. 
>> Supply Chain is the latest phrase we all know too well these days. But, 
>> Rivendell needs in my humble non-business owner opinion to buy more 
>> inventory. I seem to remember they like to pay for all purchases without 
>> using a credit line and that seems reasonable at first thought. But, I 
>> think they would increase sales to a large extent if they would bring in 
>> more product. A case in point are the knickers that went up for sale and 
>> sold out in two days! Brass headset spacers are rarely available. The list 
>> goes on.
>>
>> Just a thought I had as I was ready to buy a pair of knickers to no avail.
>> Doug
>> Athens, Ga
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Ron's Ortho Bars in stock at Crust

[Brian McDermott]

I was lucky enough to snag a pair. Will report findings once I get them on 
a bike!

On Thursday, January 6, 2022 at 8:45:18 AM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> Keith – Not sure of the exact process but I've seen a short vid of Ron 
> bending bars. He had the handlebars in a bench vise sandwiched between two 
> 2x6s. He then pulled on the bars with all his weight. No idea what the 
> original bars are. 
>
> As Mike suggests DoomBars seems to be a good way to go. Who knows if/when 
> these will be re-stocked at Crust. I think this now-sold-out shipment had 
> been delayed several months. 
>
> Thanks to Ed and Taylor regarding shipping, I didn't realize they were 
> issuing refunds. I just removed the bar tape from my order. 
>
> On Thursday, January 6, 2022 at 6:44:44 AM UTC-5 iamkeith wrote:
>
>>
>> Well, I somehow missed this altogether.  Interesting though because 
>> that's exactly what I dream about doing to my own bosco bars every time  
>> use them.  Does anyboby know where to find reference to Ron first bending 
>> his own?  Were they aluminum or steel?  Mine are steel, and I worry about 
>> the "dull- bright" Nitto finish cracking if it's plating based.  Otherwise, 
>> I'm comfortable packing them full of sand and taking a tubing bender to 
>> them. 
>> On Wednesday, January 5, 2022 at 10:57:47 PM UTC-7 jmlmu...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I had a set in my shopping cart and got sidetracked at work and when I 
>>> checked back an hour later they were sold out :-(
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, January 5, 2022 at 9:35:53 PM UTC-8 brendonoid wrote:
>>>
 I've been waiting since February last year for these bars and have 
 checked the website at least once a week in that interval. I really wanted 
 them for a Susie build.

 They are now sold out.

 *sigh*

>>>

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Re: [RBW] Bar end vs Downtube

[Brian McDermott]

Downtube shifters are fine, but the main drawback as others have said is 
the reach. Definitely great if you're frequently changing out your cockpit. 

However, you just can't beat the accessibility of bar end shifters, 
especially if your bike is loaded. As for front end clutter, I'm a fan of 
running the cables all the way up under the tape so they exit by the stem, 
like your brake cables. 

On Saturday, December 25, 2021 at 9:39:35 AM UTC-5 bjmi...@gmail.com wrote:

> I like Steven's suggestion of the stem mounted shifters, too...my only 
> concern would be running a front handlebar bag might be iffy with the cable 
> housings exiting the mount. I was pondering a switch to drops a few months 
> back and was considering the stem mount and Silver shifters because I 
> didn't want to do bar ends for some reason and kept talking myself out of 
> it because of bag interference. 
>
> I would never tell anyone not to make a choice on set up just on looks, 
> but for me I would not give up the convenience of bar ends for the looks of 
> DT. The juice ain't worth the squeeze. I'm tall, ride upright (the flats of 
> my noodle bars are level with my seat), and reaching the DT shifter would 
> be inconvenient for me unless I wanted to lower the bars and set it up for 
> more of an aggressive position,
>
> BUT...with all that said, you'll love whatever way you go. Congrats on a 
> new Homer! 
>
> Ben in Omaha
>
> On Fri, Dec 24, 2021 at 7:55 PM Jeffrey Arita  wrote:
>
>> This discussion is timely.  We've been using bar ends for so long now 
>> that shifting becomes instinctual.  However, I do use pretty decent sized 
>> 'U' cable housing so that shifting is smooth.  The housing/cabling can get 
>> in the way of handlebar bags, and as some have noted, it doesn't look the 
>> best although it is functional.
>>
>> I just might try Steven's suggestion.  Thanks everyone,
>>
>> Happy Holidays!
>>
>> Jeff
>> Claremont, CA
>>
>> On Friday, December 24, 2021 at 4:45:22 PM UTC-8 Steven Sweedler wrote:
>>
>>> After many years of riding nothing but bar end shifters, I have switched 
>>> to stem mounted shifters and find them very easy and convenient. They have 
>>> a simple cable run, especially if your cables run onnyour downtube. Either 
>>> hand can shift either derailleur. Worth considering. Steve
>>>
>>> On Fri, Dec 24, 2021 at 7:04 PM  wrote:
>>>
 Years back I bought a used Rambouillet that came to me with down tube 
 shifters. I rode it that way for a while just to see what I thought of 
 them 
 after at least a decade since the last time I used them.

 I can’t say they were horrible but I much prefer bar mounted shifters 
 since they make shifting easier and safer. I do like the look and the ease 
 of setup of down tube shifters but the ergonomics are lacking for me. I 
 ride a 58-60 cm frame.

 Robert Tilley
 San Diego, CA

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 On Dec 24, 2021, at 11:01 AM, atreya...@gmail.com  
 wrote:

 I am debating bar end vs down tube shifters for the upcoming homer 
 build. I like the simplicity and aesthetics of down tube but concerned how 
 “inconvenient “ they could be given longish geometry of rivs. For non 
 racing and just riding for pleasure usecases does it matter .I am also 
 considering going downtube for FD and bar end for RD. If over time I find 
 downtube comfortable enough switch both to downtube . Would love to hear 
 groups thoughts and experience. 

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Re: [RBW] New to me Saluki is in

[Brian McDermott]

O my, that's a beautiful bike. Congrats!

On Friday, December 24, 2021 at 11:37:47 PM UTC-5 Joel S wrote:

> [image: D51C3EA4-FC57-49D7-B712-E8B116E73FE8.jpeg] 
>
> Joe & Jeff, thanks so much.  After selling my 56 as it was too big there 
> were no more Salukis to be had,  I bought a Bleriot and will put it up for 
> sale soon, I cleaned the frame up today and took pics of any scratches.  I 
> have all of the parts minus the headset that I had on my first Saluki on 
> this bike now.  They went on the Bleriot and are back home, although the 
> original used side pulls and this one has cantis.  I’ve also changed from 
> Albatross to Choco bars, all else remains the same.  
>
> Dave, those are Baby Shoe Pass, so even though they say 42mm they are a 
> tad under 40mm.  I have a pair of Hetres as well, I used them for a couple 
> of rides and may put them back on those rims when riding weather returns, 
> they end up being about the same size as the BSP with a caliber.  
>
> Thanks again guys.  
>
> I’ll put a picture of my original Saluki above.  
> .
>
> Joel
>
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>
> On Friday, December 24, 2021 at 8:54:04 PM UTC-5 David Hays wrote:
>
>> You're very welcome. Enjoy.
>> The paint scheme is almost exactly the colours of my 2020 Mercian.
>> What size tires does it take?
>>
>> David
>>
>> On Dec 24, 2021, at 3:59 PM, 'Joel S' via RBW Owners Bunch <
>> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
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>> Thank you David.  
>>
>> On Friday, December 24, 2021 at 1:46:37 PM UTC-5 David Hays wrote:
>>
>>> Beautiful bike and build Joel.
>>>
>>> David
>>>
>>> On Dec 24, 2021, at 11:12 AM, 'Joel S' via RBW Owners Bunch <
>>> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
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>>> >> front.jpg>Thanks to Johnny Alien I was able to get this frame
>>>
>>>
>>> sorry for the poor photo quality but the basement lighting is poor. here 
>>> is a quick look.
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