RE: [RBW] S24O for a complete newbie!

2010-04-08 Thread John Stoesser
There’s lots of great advice posted already. FWIW…I’m 6’6”  225, I could
have made a REI Quarter Dome work and possibly added a smaller camper with
me that I liked a lot i.e. wife or son, especially for one night. I bought a
Kelty Pagosa 2-man because it was 90 inches long. So I agree with the two
person tent. You will go on solo missions and be glad to not have the
3-person for weight purposes although it’s nice to have the extra room. 

Ditto on the small camp stove…I bought a Jet-Boil and I’m drinking coffee or
coco in no-time at all. It boils a liter ridiculously fast. Instant Oatmeal
is fast easy, light and I find it tasty day or night. Add a little jerky and
you’re gourmet dining.

I have a therm-a-rest foam pad, can’t speak to the Big Agnes. Wool beanie
for the head will aid in warmth considerably. You’ll undoubtedly pack too
much, but you’ll learn each time you go. Have fun. I’m envious of you
Californians…It takes me a bit of distance to get out of Chicago to
someplace interesting… but then the journey is the treat.

 

  _  

From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
[mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Rene Sterental
Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2010 4:17 AM
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Subject: [RBW] S24O for a complete newbie!

 

I'm going to do my very first S24O in China Camp (Marin county, CA) on the
weekend of May 8 - 9 with my 11 year old son. I have absolutely no
experience and the only camping I did years ago (too many...) was in the
beach in Venezuela where we would bring everything by car/boat.

 

I chose China Camp because I already know the place, know the trails, and
feel that if it doesn't work out, we're quite close to the car. I have
purchased a 2 person REI Quarter Dome tent, but I'm wondering if a 3 person
tent would be a better choice if we want to invite someone along. I also got
a pair of Big Agnes Lost Dog (rated 50 deg) sleeping bags with their
respective air matresses. I'm planning to use my Bombadil to bike from the
main parking lot (at one end of the Shoreline Trail) by the Fishing Village
to the campgrounds (at the other end). It's about 5 miles or so, so it won't
be a disaster if I make mistakes. It's also a good manageable distance for
my son.

 

Here is my list of questions... :-)

 

1.- What else do I need to bring? At this time, I'm not planning to cook;
we'll just bring sandwiches and water in bottles and our Camelbaks. I'm
leaving the logistics of cooking/warm food for another time.

 

2.- How should I pack? I'll have to carry all the stuff for both of us as my
son's Specialized 29er cannot carry anything. He'll have his small Camelbak,
but that's about it. I do have the medium and huge front baskets with their
respective medium and large sackville bags. I also have a medium sackville
saddlebag. I can mount the Nitto rear pannier rack, but all I currently have
is a pair of the small Ortlieb panniers I used to commute with a few years
ago. Budget-wise, at most I might be able to get the large sackville
saddlebag, or a set of rear panniers.

 

I don't think I'll be doing anything beyond the S24Os this year; but I do
want to do them on a regular basis. I have no idea what will happen or what
we'll do once we've set up camp, but I'm looking forward to discovering this
new dimension.

 

Please feel free to give me all the advice you think I'll need, and even
advice you think I may not... you never know. If you want to e-mail me
off-list, feel free to do so. As was incredibly excited when I discovered
what an S24O was, shortly after I discovered RBW and got my bikes there late
last year. If I don't get started now, the whole inertia of work and
travelling for work will drag me down and by the time I realize it, another
year will have passed. It's been a recurring theme for me. My son is also
growing up relentlessly, so if I don't do it now, it might soon be too late.

 

Thanks again for all your support and guidance; I've certainly learned a lot
from all of you, and continue to do so...

 

René

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RE: [RBW] pannier recommendations

2010-04-04 Thread John Stoesser
I battled over the same decision. I finally went with the Ortlieb. I decided
it was easier (and IMO better) to dry out something that happened to get
wet, rather than trying to dry out a bunch of things that needed to stay
dry. In other words, when something gets wet and should be dried out I latch
it on the bike in a mesh bag to air dry. All else fails plastic bags keep
other things from getting wet inside the pannier. The Ortliebs certainly
keep things from getting wet. 
Other things I love; the roller design, one big pocket, and the easy on and
off. 
This didn't answer your question, but it may help in your decision process.

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Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2010 9:45 PM
To: RBW Owners Bunch
Subject: [RBW] pannier recommendations

Hi,

I had pretty much decided to get some Ortliebs, but then I read this
thread:

http://www.bikeforums.net/archive/index.php/t-270129.html

which points out that waterproof may not be such a good thing in hot
weather.   What are some good non-waterproof panniers?

Thanks.

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RE: [RBW] Atlantis sizing

2010-04-03 Thread John Stoesser
About 2-4 weeks ago there was a 68cm Atlantis offered on ebay. The owner
wanted $2600 as a buy-it-now. I called RBW and spoke to them about a 68cm
about 2 years ago. They had one in stock. I didn't pull the trigger. Kept
lurking around here hoping one would pop up. Nothing happened or I missed
it. So I wound up buying a custom Waterford Adventure Cycle in a 68cm frame.
I built it up using the Atlantis as a guide.
I think they stopped stocking 64cm  68cm with the arrival of the bombadil.
If I understand correctly they will have one built for you.

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Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2010 12:11 PM
To: RBW Owners Bunch
Subject: [RBW] Atlantis sizing

I have been idly thinking about looking for a used Atlantis frame to
build up.  When I look at the Riv web site I know longer have a link
to the pdf geometry chart, and the Atlantis page only lists sizes up
to 61.  Didn't they once make a 64, and if so, when did they stop?

Michael

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RE: [RBW] Re: Atlantis sizing

2010-04-03 Thread John Stoesser

How is that Waterford working out for you?  Have you done any loaded
touring on it?

I literally just picked it up today. I took it for a short ride prior to
heading out to play at church this pm. So far I'm blown awayspeechless.


I thought about going that route.  The pipes used for the Adventure
Cycle are not as strong as the ones used for the Toyo Atlantis frames,
though, and that dissuaded me.

I don't know about the strength of the pipes one way or the other. I figured
they know what they are doing. They have a long pedigree. I decided that for
$300 more than an Atlantis I could have the bike built to my specifications.
That made sense to me. I have equal the braze-on's as an Atlantis. The lugs
may not be as fancy but that is fine; they are classy. Waterford is 90
minutes from my home. I thought about Mercian, (I have one of those in a
66cm) but I decided to buy American.

I'll be riding the Katy Trail this summer and several S24O's. 


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RE: [RBW] I was hit by car - brief request for help - slightly on-topic

2010-01-23 Thread John Stoesser
Jim,
It's good news that you are ok. I was hit in early December and no ticket
was issued to either the driver or myself. I was hit in a crosswalk by a
driver making a right on red. I faired much better than you. My rear wheel
is shot as that is all he hit. He spun me 180 degrees, but I was able to
stay upright and landed feet on the ground straddling the bike. 

The driver was not issued a ticket, but his insurance company is making good
on the bike and injuries. I drove myself to the hospital after my wife
picked me up at the scene.

If you weren't issued a ticket then in my non-professional opinion his
insurance should be dying to make retribution to you. I'm in Chicago so I
can't speak for California law, but if you were a pedestrian wouldn't he be
at fault? 

Get a lawyer and make sure you are made whole. I would think it to be an
easy case in your favor.

John

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Subject: [RBW] I was hit by car - brief request for help - slightly on-topic


First of all, I am ok, and that's what I consider the biggest thing. I was
lucky in terms of injuries. I was able to go home from the hospital after 24
hours. They kept me to observe me, because in the first 10 to 15 minutes
after the accident, I didn't really know things like my name. But then it
came back before I got to the hospital. I left the hospital with 4 broken
ribs and cuts and bruises and the aftermath of a concussion.

The following might not be on-topic, but it closely matches Maynard
Hershon's first essay in RR42. It happened about a week ago, less than 48
hours after I read Maynard's essay. If you are not interested in hearing
about the accident, I completely understand if you don't read it. But it
does include one relevant safety lesson for bicyclists, and I am also asking
for help from anyone, especially Southern CA list members, who might have a
recommendation for a great lawyer who knows how to get fairness for
bike-riders in traffic collisions with automobiles. I ask this, because I
feel I've been unfairly treated by the law so far. The police officer's
report concludes with a determination that I am the party at fault.

I was riding straight ahead in an area that fills up with traffic near a
shopping center. I had no stop sign or red lights to stop me. I was riding
under the speed limit. There were two lanes of car traffic going in my
direction, and I was riding just to the right of them, effectively in a
third lane. There was no bike lane marked, and it's possible that one is
supposed to be there, but was not because the road had recently been
resurfaced but not painted yet. Cyclists ride along this from time-to-time,
but only out of necessity.

An SUV coming the opposite direction was in a left-turn lane. It turned left
and drove across my path. What I remember was that upon reaching this
intersection (that required no stop from me and requires the turner to turn
only when oncoming traffic is clear), I was shocked to see an SUV turning
left in front of me. I had no time to think. I braked and turned and skidded
all at once, all the while knowing that I would hit the car. I hit the side
of the car, but I don't remember the pain of impact. For the next 10 to 15
minutes, I don't know from first-hand experience what happened. I couldn't
say my own name at first. Details of the accident were discussed without me
but included the driver, at least one witness was referenced by the police
report, and the deputy ended up deciding I was at fault; at least his report
says that. Meanwhile, in the care of paramedics, I eventually knew my
situation and regained my self-awareness. While I was in the ambulance, I
was happy when I could tell them that I could now remember the specific
accident where the car turned left in front of me. I was very relieved when
they told me that my responses were good and my extremities seemed ok, and
that I was going to the emergency room, because they do that for anyone who
lost consciousness. (I had been unconscious for the first 30 to 60 seconds,
and my helmet is cracked. I am so glad I wore it.) I haven't had a chance to
have the bike frame professionally inspected yet (QB), and it might be
undamaged, but the rear wheel is ruined. It must have hit the side of the
car, but I don't know for sure due to my impaired mental state.

So how was I determined to be at fault? Drivers moving in the same direction
as I had decided to stop and yield to the driver who was turning left from
the opposite direction. They did this, because there was a back-up caused by
a red light up ahead of us. They yielded to allow the SUV driver to turn. He
took the right-of-way that they yielded, but he did not see me who was still
coming through. (He later referred to me as a blur.) I had no way of
knowing that this yielding to him was 

RE: [RBW] Rivendell Roadeo or Other

2010-01-04 Thread John Stoesser


So I am really confused and am asking here to see which way some of
you would go.

I recently battled with the same dilemma. 

If you have the ability to visit Rivendell and take a ride on the bike, that
is a great way to go. I did not have that option being in Chicago. I went
with a custom Waterford Adventure Cycle. I felt comfortable with the
Waterford knowing that Riv has them building for them. In the process of
sizing I referred to Riv features, philosophy etc. and they were comfortable
with my discussions. I also used a LBS that measured and fit me, he had good
credentials, and I was comfortable with him. I neglected to mention the seat
tube on the Waterford is 68cm. My PBH is 99, so I'm at a disadvantage when
it comes to fit choices.

Having said that if I was close enough, or if I had the opportunity to visit
Riv, I would have tested a 64cm Bombadil or a 67 or larger Homer. If they
still had them in stock, which they didn't, a 68cm Atlantis would have been
on my list also. I am awaiting my Waterford hoping it will be all that I
imagine, but as I was unable to test one even remotely close in size, I am
going on faith. I still wonder if the 64 Bombadil would have been a good
fit, but I also feel that for $300 more than the cost of the Bombadil I am
receiving a bike built for my specs. Are they apples to apples? Not exactly,
but I'm comfortable, and Waterford is about an hours drive from me. 

Again if I was in your situation definitely check out the Rivendell before
you buy. You'll know exactly what you are getting. If you decide against the
Rivendell you will know for sure why you decided not to buy the Rivendell.
If you decide to buy the Rivendell, you will probably have it much sooner
than your custom. 
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RE: [RBW] FS: 650b wheelset and Sackville small saddlebag

2010-01-01 Thread John Stoesser
Reply sent

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[mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of colin p. cummings
Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 2:52 PM
To: RBW Owners Bunch
Subject: [RBW] FS: 650b wheelset and Sackville small saddlebag

Wheelset:

Shimano LX hubs, velocity 32H rims, 8 speed cassette, includes CDLV
tires and tubes; Rich built from Riv, maybe 700 miles on the set...

$210 shipped

Sackville small saddlebag, the kind that don't need a rack, in very
good shape cuz it ain't old:

$75 shipped

I can provide pics if'n you needs em.  Give me a couple of days to
ship.  Reply off list.

Colin Cummings
Amarillo, TX

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RE: [RBW] AHH as a road bike

2009-12-03 Thread John Stoesser
Buy a set of tubular rims and tire. You'll see a huge difference. I have a
Mercian for which I have a set of clinchers and set of tubular. Every time I
switch I like the bike all over again.That works in both switches. I love it
both ways, about the time I'm getting tired of the bike I switch and its new
toy time all over again.

  _  

From: David Faller [mailto:dfal...@charter.net] 
Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 9:33 AM
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [RBW] AHH as a road bike

 

You probably need to identify what you personally consider to be better in
a road bike.  I thought about a Hilsen, but got a Ram.  I'm not sure I could
have told the difference at the time, as far as which was better.  What I
later found made an enormous difference was tires.  I went from Ruffy Tuffy
to Jack Brown greens.  It's like a different (and better) bike!  You might
find the feel you're seeking by going the other direction and putting on
narrower tires.

 

IMHO, you should experiment extensively with tires on your Hilsen to see if
you have some sort of revelation about feel.  I think you'd regret trading
away the Hilsen for some elusive sense of road feel.  What if you did trade
for a Ram and discovered you actually liked it less?

 

 

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From: Shawn mailto:sa240...@yahoo.com  

To: RBW Owners Bunch mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com  

Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 6:34 AM

Subject: [RBW] AHH as a road bike

 

Now that I have the Atlantis, I have been thinking of making my Hilsen
more of a roadish type bike to use on week-end rides with my friends
on our smooth local MUP. Can anyone tell me how the AHH might handle,
ride and look with 25mm to 28mm tires on it. I know most people don't
ride that skinny of a tire but any feed back would be appreciated.   I
am trying to separate the two bikes into two distinct categories;
Atlantis- touring, camping, commuter= big tires; Hilsen- club rides,
events, exercise, go faster=skinner tires. It seems like the Hilsen's
clearance are wasted now that I have the Atlantis.

I know it sounds like I want a more traditional type road bike and the
Roadeo would fit that bill perfectly, except there is the matter of
finances, can't sell the Hilsen to totally finance the Roadeo, and I
am not crazy about the fact the Roadeo does not have brazeons for at
least a Mark type rack.

Is the Rambouillet a better road bike than the Hilsen? If so maybe I
should trade or sell my Hilsen for a Rambouillet. I want to be clear
that I do not want to race, I just want to make a clear distinctions
between the two bikes.

Sorry about the long post and thanks in advance for any advice or
feedback.
Shawn

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RE: [RBW] Re: Velo Orange Campagne Handlebar Bar

2009-11-18 Thread John Stoesser
Which makes the Ostrich bag VO sells look appealing to me. Has anyone tried
the Ostrich bag? 

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From: Mike [mailto:mjawn...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 6:29 PM
To: RBW Owners Bunch
Subject: [RBW] Re: Velo Orange Campagne Handlebar Bar

I borrowed one from a friend. I really wanted to like the bag. It looks nice
and is relatively inexpensive. The bag is just a bit too small to be totally
functional. The map case on the top of the bag is too small to adequately
display a cue sheet like you'd use on a brevet. The pocket on the front of
the bag is also too small to be totally functional. And while you can attach
it to the rack  with straps I think you'd ideally use a decaleur. Finally,
the bag is also not optimal for those who ride bigger frames. I ride a 63
Hilsen and
62 Rambouillet and the bag is a bit too short.

I should say that I have a Berthoud bag I that, while expensive, is much
better quality and more functional.

--mike

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[RBW] Re: Cantilever Brake Adjustment Question

2009-10-05 Thread John Stoesser

I had the same problem but found it to be the canti mount/post had gotten a
little mashed at the end. Perhaps I overtightened...I don't know for sure,
but I used the dremel on the edge of the canti mount and the problem was
solved. Check to see if it floats as freely as the other side without
attaching the cable.

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[mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of MichaelH
Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 5:22 PM
To: RBW Owners Bunch
Subject: [RBW] Re: Cantilever Brake Adjustment Question


Good luck. I had the same pblm w ultegra levers and cantis and was
never able to resolve it.
The pblm went away when I replaced the levers with cane creek and
silver be shifters.
Voilà, no more problem. Soon after I replaced the br550 calipers w
paul's neo retros and have been very happy with the shifting and
ecstatic with the brakeing.
Michael

On Oct 5, 10:37 am, GeorgeS chobur...@gmail.com wrote:
 Until recently I had never had a bike with cantilever brakes so I am
 coming to the subject with almost total ignorance.  I mounted a set of
 IRD Cafam brakes that I got from RBW on a new Surly.  The levers are
 Shimano Tiagra.  My problem is with the front brake.  When the
 straddle cable is adjusted so that the brakes come in contact with the
 rim before the levers bottom out (about 3/4, feels OK), the left brake
 arm (left as I'm facing the brake) does not retract away from the rim
 when I release the lever.  With no pressure on the lever, the brake
 stays in contact with the rim.  The right arm pops away from the rim
 like it should.  I can correct this by adjusting the straddle cable
 but then the levers bottom out and I don't feel I've got enough
 pressure on the rim to stop when I'm riding fast.  Suggestions?  I've
 thought of changing the spring tension on the left side (now the
 spring is in the middle hole) but I wanted to get advice before I went
 that route.  My sense is that the left brake is not pivoting on the
 post as it should.  What about giving the inside of the cantilever
 hole some polishing with a dremel?  Thanks.
 George Strickler
 New Orleans




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[RBW] Re: bike parts for sale

2009-09-24 Thread John Stoesser
I'm interested in your Regina freewheels. Can you provide a couple of
details tooth count. Are they cx hubs. I have a campy hub. Thanks John

 

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From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
[mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of b hamon
Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 10:16 PM
To: Riv Bunch
Subject: [RBW] bike parts for sale

 


I'd prefer to sell these to appreciative folks here so I don't have to
resort to Ebay or Craigslist.

All can be seen here:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/bethness/sets/72157614357648800/

The photos (with descriptions) that you want will be at the bottom of the
set called bike tech and should be self-evident. All prices will include
shipping in conusa and all proceeds are being used to finance my first-time
foray into cyclocross this fall (I've almost paid for my team kit and two
races; gotta come up with fees for at least two more races, plus gas and
food).

1. Freewheel bonanza:

a. A set of THREE Suntour 6-speed freewheels. Good used condition, cleaned
and oiled. All three for $ 40.00 shipped.

b. A set of THREE Regina (made in Italy) 5-speed freewheels. Good used
condition, cleaned and oiled. As far as I can tell none of these are French
thread. (They all seem to fit my regular hub.) All three for $ 30.00
shipped.

c. Shimano 600 6-speed freewheel. Good used condition, cleaned and oiled. $
35.00 shipped.

d. Sachs 5-speed freewheel, *Excellent* condition! I didn't have to clean
this one at all, but since I can't verify its history I can't accurately
call it new. But it's yummy, and also non-French. $ 40.00 shipped.

2. Brooks B-68S (that's S for short, presumably for The Ladies but I
know at least two guys who like the shorter saddles too). This one has been
given the Imperial treatment because someone at Brooks decided that it
might be a good idea to bring back the cutout designs of a century ago. Or
something like that.  Anyway -- 200 miles of test-riding spread over about a
month this summer confirm that I am NOT a candidate for cutout saddles.
(sigh) $70.00 shipped.

Look at the pretty pictures and contact me offlist if interested. I'm open
to combined shipping too so if you want, well, I dunno, everything or close
to it -- make a reasonable offer for the lot. Thanks much.
Beth

http://bikelovejones.livejournal.com
http://veloquent.blogspot.com





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[RBW] Re: WTB 68cm Atlantis

2009-09-22 Thread John Stoesser

Thanks for the heads up. I've been eye-balling that one and wondering if I
should settle for the next best thing. The real next best thing is probably
a Homer-Hilsen in a 69 frame.
Decisions...decisions.

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Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 2:28 PM
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Subject: [RBW] Re: WTB 68cm Atlantis




On Sep 19, 9:53 am, j4gitr jstoes...@comcast.net wrote:
 A rather remote possibility I'm sure, but if someone is selling or
 considering selling a 68cm Atlantis, I am interested. I have a 1985
 25.5 Trek 720 which is too small (and for sale). Thanks

Hi,

It's not an Atlantis, but it is 68cm with canti posts.  The owner sez
he set it up with a derailleur...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=130331168982viewitem=ss
pagename=ADME%3AB%3AWNA%3AMOTORS%3A1123

Cheers,

Forbes




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[RBW] Re: Tandems?

2009-09-14 Thread John Stoesser

Ditto...santana sweet comfy ride. FWIW I ride a '85 TREK720

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Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 5:36 PM
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Subject: [RBW] Re: Tandems?


On Mon, 2009-09-14 at 15:18 -0700, William Henderson wrote:
 I want to build a tandem bike.  Not something super expensive or
 luxurious, but something I can depend on all the same and take on
 longer rides and tours. Ideally I'd find a decently priced older
 complete or frame and go from there, as I've done with many classy old
 steel single-seaters.  What would be the tandem-equivalent of a Trek
 520?

I'd say the Santana Arriva.








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[RBW] Re: Brooks Swift or B17 Narrow, ti or steel rails?

2009-07-03 Thread John Stoesser

I have an early 80's Mercian in a very similar (if not identical) Blue with
pale Gray Head tube, black letters and pinstriping. I decided to go with a
Black Brooks. Maybe I'm too predictable. I love (spelled envious) your
Vincitore. I'm trying to decide whether to buy a King of Mercia, Bombadil,
or Waterford Adventure Cycle for my touring rig. 

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Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2009 12:37 PM
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Subject: [RBW] Re: Brooks Swift or B17 Narrow, ti or steel rails?


Thanks for those replies! Very grateful because I have to order on the net.
One reason for me asking is that besides my four Swift (bought next to new
from friends that gave in to quick!) I have two Ideal steel railed
heavyweights. This are on my commuters and there is a big differens in feel.
The Ideal transmit much more road buzz than the ti-railed Swift.
But I would imagine that Brooks use a bit narrower and more flexible steel
rails than the old Ideal's and the leather are getting old and hard.
Just remembered I have some old titanium seatpost that could ad some
dampening but I would have to get the right shims. Ok, definitely going for
steel rails this time. Thanks!

So whats your verdict on Brooks colours then? Got me some raw hides and
brown leather paint, but can't decide what seat to get. The frame I'm
dressing up is a Mercian Vincitore Special (yeah, wrong forum :) with a Ice
Blue Pearl paint job and white windows: http://i35.tinypic.com/2cwu78g.jpg
Either a young-nordic-blond-honey or a stuffy-british-antique-brown
seat-bars-mudflap-theme? ;)
http://www.brookssaddles.com/en/Shop_ProductPage.aspx?cat=saddles+-+road+%26
+mtbprod=Swift+Chrome



On 1 Juli, 16:10, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote:
 We had a big discussion on this over in the Peter White Forum a 
 couples week back - in the Berthoud Saddle Introductory Thread.

 Peter, I and some others argued that whatever minor difference in 
 shock absorption may exist between steel, Ti and Carbon would be 
 completely overwhelmed by the differences in one piece of leather to 
 the next.

 Leather is an organic compound.  There is no way leather on every 
 saddle is not going to be at least slightly different from the other.
 99.9% of the feel of the saddle will be in the leather.

 If you do not mind paying extra, and the minor weight saving is 
 important to you, go with the Ti.  For my money, I would go with the 
 steel and spend some of the savings on leather conditioners and maybe 
 a real nice saddle cover.

 On Jul 1, 4:24 am, fenderbender pedal_kr...@yahoo.se wrote:



  Hi!
  I'm very pleased with the Swift ti's I've fitted to my current fleet 
  of bikes. But due to the resent price hike I must question my 
  reasons for buying the titanium rail versions. As I now have two 
  more builds near compleation that need some seating but my funds are 
  limited. One is a resurrectio and the other a lovely vanity bike.

  Anyone tried both the Swift and B17 Narrow and could tell me the 
  difference in feal?

  Is the dampening of the steel rails that much different too that of 
  the ti-version, and does it excuse the added cost?

  Thanks and Keep 'em rolling!- Dölj citerad text -

 - Visa citerad text -




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