[RBW] Re: WTPF - Nitto Noodle, Albastache, and 70mm Tallux stem

[Jon Craig (Vendraen)]

I am really, really sorry folks!  Some very bad life stuff, and then the 
holidays happened and I honestly just dropped the ball on this. :(   It's 
my fault, I should have done better.  I'll post again in a few days and 
open this stuff back up to takers.  Please forgive my dropping the ball.

On Sunday, December 17, 2023 at 10:32:14 PM UTC-5 Michael Baquerizo wrote:

>
> would be happy to cover shipping on the talkux  please let me know if 
> avail 
> On Sunday, December 17, 2023 at 7:06:30 PM UTC-5 J Imler wrote:
>
>> I’m open to the drops and stem is available.
>>
>> On Sunday, December 17, 2023 at 2:17:00 PM UTC-8 modemm...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> (WTPF = Want To Pay Forward)
>>>
>>> In this case - the people here have been so kind and helpful I'd like to 
>>> give back. 
>>>
>>> I have as spare parts 2 Nitto handlebars - a Noodle and and Albastache - 
>>> plus a 70mm Tallux stem. They're free for the asking; I just ask you cover 
>>> shipping. 
>>>
>>

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[RBW] WTPF - Nitto Noodle, Albastache, and 70mm Tallux stem

[Jon Craig (Vendraen)]

(WTPF = Want To Pay Forward)

In this case - the people here have been so kind and helpful I'd like to 
give back. 

I have as spare parts 2 Nitto handlebars - a Noodle and and Albastache - 
plus a 70mm Tallux stem. They're free for the asking; I just ask you cover 
shipping. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: WTB new Rivendell saddle or other saddle with proper bag loops

[Jon Craig (Vendraen)]

Eh, I don't think the loops on the Acorn Large Saddlebag will reach my 
rails. :(

I have the old, 2016-era Rivendell stock saddle with the weird ovular loop 
on the back; it's not wide enough to use as loops for this bag (or maybe 
any bag) and it also blocks things.


On Friday, December 15, 2023 at 10:04:57 AM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:

> FWIW: Alternatives to integrated loops that don't require big bolt-on 
> carriers: neither work as well as loops but might be preferable to 
> jettisoning an otherwise favorite saddle. I prefer #2 to losing my beloved 
> original issue Flites and even prefer it to #1. 
>
> #1 VO bolt-on loops are still available: 
> https://velo-orange.com/products/velo-orange-saddle-loops
>
> #2 You can simply strap your bag to the saddle rails; I've done this with 
> my Flites for Sackvilles (both Mediums) and Carradice Juniors, Nelson LFs, 
> and Camper LFs, and carried over 30 lb in the larger bags with no problems, 
> unless a bit of thigh-rub is a problem (it doesn't bother me). I wrap the 
> straps around the rails from the outside of the rails: from inside of bag, 
> around outside of rails, back to inside of bag.
>
>
>> On Friday, December 15, 2023 at 3:53:33 AM UTC-8 modemm...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Looking for a cheap saddle with proper bag loops - the new Rivendell one 
>>> or perhaps one of the V-O ones that have loops.  Hopefully someone's got a 
>>> saddle they don't use or didn't work for their body that they'll let go 
>>> cheapish!
>>
>>

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[RBW] WTB new Rivendell saddle or other saddle with proper bag loops

[Jon Craig (Vendraen)]

Looking for a cheap saddle with proper bag loops - the new Rivendell one or 
perhaps one of the V-O ones that have loops.  Hopefully someone's got a 
saddle they don't use or didn't work for their body that they'll let go 
cheapish!

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[RBW] Re: Did anyone get one of the new Acorn Bags yesterday?

[Jon Craig (Vendraen)]

My wife and I each have a "Boxy Rando" bag from back in 2016, during the 
time when they used snaps and didn't put their logo patch on the bags.  We 
love those bags, and it was time for me to get a bag for the back of my 
bike, instead of using my Ortlieb panniers.  So I waited for the Large 
Saddlebag to become available and bought one.  It arrives today!  I'm 
exited.

On Tuesday, December 12, 2023 at 11:55:09 PM UTC-5 Bikie#4646 wrote:

> Jon,
> I noticed that Acorn continues to modify and improve most of their bags. 
> The "Large" saddle bags now seem to have gone back to the drawstring inside 
> (instead of the recent zippers) and two leather straps to hold the flap 
> down (instead of the more recent single shock cord). A nice new touch (in 
> my opinion) is the replacement of the larger and wider side pockets with 
> flatter zippered pockets on the sides. 
>
> Those new flat side pockets make the bag a little more narrow and 
> "streamlined," even a cleaner look. I never liked the larger side pockets 
> on my old Carradice bags much. 
>
> Though the leather "flap" straps are a bit slower to deal with than the 
> single shock cord on the flap, I think they lend a nice look, dare I say 
> "retro'? And a bit more secure, I feel.
>
> My 2 cents. I have been a big fan of Acorn and their "MUSA cottage 
> industry" model. The workmanship has always been superb and pricing is 
> super fair.  I've probably owned more than 18 of their bags over the years. 
> Great folks to work with, too.
>
> Paul Germain
> Midlothian, Va.
>
> On Friday, December 8, 2023 at 6:43:05 AM UTC-5 modemm...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I got one of the new Acorn Bags "large saddlebags" yesterday when they 
>> became available.  Did anyone else get any of the new bags?  I'm excited to 
>> check this one out when it arrives!
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Using Your Rivendell Vs. Being Precious: A Spectrum

[Jon Craig (Vendraen)]

Man just USE your bikes!  I read this blog post a while ago and was like 
"WTF, people will drop a minimum of 2.5k on a bike and not ride it!?!? - 
must be NICE to have that kind of cash!"

Bikes are meant to be ridden.  Rivendells will stand up to just that; 
they're very much made for it.

And seriously, if you can afford to have a Rivendell to not use it... 
share? :D

On Friday, December 8, 2023 at 8:45:37 AM UTC-5 Josh C wrote:

> This is just the thread that I needed right now; John thanks for pushing 
> it back to the top. I'm considering using a very well-equipped Atlantis as 
> my daily driver/commuter and I guess what I was feeling was a sense that I 
> should be using that bike for its intended purpose instead of riding 
> something that I don't enjoy as much simply to preserve the Riv. I was 
> thinking of buying another Riv (a clem) for this purpose but after 
> considering the cost of it + tax + a few changes, I'd be into it for a 
> similar sum. I might as well ride the Atlantis. I'll report back. 
>
> John - I agree, your Atlantis ameliorated that rock and the overall 
> aesthetic of that canyon. 
>
> On Friday, December 8, 2023 at 8:38:03 AM UTC-5 sarahlik...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Your Atlantis is living life right !
>>
>> On Thursday, December 7, 2023 at 3:25:49 PM UTC-8 John Rinker wrote:
>>
>>> On a recent road trip in the Southwest, I rode my beautiful Atlantis 
>>> along the rim of the Grand Canyon from Desert View to Hermit's Rest. At one 
>>> point I stopped at a viewpoint, leaned the bike against a rock to take a 
>>> photo, and (of course) it fell over. Still beautiful and ever-so 
>>> functional, the Atlantis has a souvenir from the canyon and the canyon is 
>>> that much more stunning with some Interior Russian blue-green added to its 
>>> majestic hues.[image: IMG_2280.jpeg] 
>>> Cheers, John
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, October 9, 2023 at 10:24:29 AM UTC-7 daniell...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Thank you Max and Philip!  I'm really enjoying the color scheme and how 
 it plays with the changing leaves on the ground. It had its own fall 
 yesterday when a strong gust of wind knocked it over at a coffee shop. A 
 little less precious everyday 

 On Monday, October 9, 2023 at 12:03:25 PM UTC-4 philip@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> An absolutely perfect bike!
>
> P. W.
> ~
> (917) 514-2207
> ~
>
>
>
>
> On Oct 5, 2023, at 9:43 AM, danielle da cruz  
> wrote:
>
> 
>
> Thanks Joe, me too! They’re calling it Sergio green. It is so pretty 
> and definitely falls into that faerie-elvish category that Grant recently 
> remarked on (warned against?) when encouraging more black parts on bikes, 
> but I love it.
>
> Just rode it to the bookstore for more exposure therapy, locking up to 
> the painted black bike rack. Baby steps. 
>
> 
>
>
> On Oct 5, 2023, at 11:58 AM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>
> It's so pretty! I love the Vintage Rivendell Green (I know they call 
> it something else but this was a color that appeared on early Rivs). 
>
> Joe Bernard 
>
> On Thursday, October 5, 2023 at 8:03:12 AM UTC-7 daniell...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> This thread came to mind yesterday when I rode my new Roadini to the 
>> climbing gym. It arrived in Cambridge from Walnut Creek Tuesday night 
>> and I 
>> kept my Cheviot decal-scratching partner and our very enthusiastic, 
>> bike-loving neighbor away as I carefully reassembled it myself with a 
>> beer 
>> in the garage. Though they are far more mechanically inclined than I am, 
>> I 
>> would not let their less-careful-than-mine mitts near this shiny new 
>> bike. 
>> It’s my bike, so of course I feel this, but it truly is the most 
>> beautiful 
>> bike ever and I suddenly have that *my bike is precious and must not 
>> be marred – ever – *feeling. 
>>
>> Fast forward to the agony at the climbing gym. Which area of the rack 
>> looks cleanest? Which other bikes will be near mine and do these bikes 
>> appear to be owned by kind and considerate people who will be careful 
>> not 
>> to touch my bike with theirs? Should I just bring it inside with me? Is 
>> anywhere truly safe???
>>
>> Today it is still precious as I await the first scratch, scrape or 
>> ding. I look forward to when it’s less precious and I can let my guard 
>> down 
>> a bit. The beauty will remain.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Oct 5, 2023, at 10:36 AM, dylan green  
>> wrote:
>>
>> I too have a '93 XO-3 as my daily driver. I recently sold my last 
>> 'nice' bike and am on the hunt for either a Legolas or Toyo atlantis as 
>> a 
>> project. The Bridgestone is such a great bike
>> I sometimes find myself thinking I don't *really need *another bike. 
>> But then again, I'm on a 

[RBW] Did anyone get one of the new Acorn Bags yesterday?

[Jon Craig (Vendraen)]

I got one of the new Acorn Bags "large saddlebags" yesterday when they 
became available.  Did anyone else get any of the new bags?  I'm excited to 
check this one out when it arrives!

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[RBW] Do V-O's thumb mounts 100% for sure work with Silver-1 shifters?

[Jon Craig (Vendraen)]

Since I'm too impatient to wait for V-O's email response ( :D ) - can 
anyone confirm 100% (i.e., from personal experience) if V-O thumb mounts 
( 
https://velo-orange.com/collections/shifters-1/products/vo-thumb-shifter-mounts-22-2-23-8
 
) work with Rivendell's Silver-1 barend shifters without modification to 
either?

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[RBW] Re: WTB Riv thumb shifter mounts or IRD PowerRatchet brake levers, etc.

[Jon Craig (Vendraen)]

A generous offer from a list member fell through (the parts were lost) - so 
- anyone else have anything they'd be willing to sell/etc? :)

On Saturday, November 25, 2023 at 5:04:06 PM UTC-5 Garth wrote:

> Yes, as does any friction shifter ! 
>
> On Saturday, November 25, 2023 at 3:35:02 PM UTC-5 modemm...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Huh! Are they likely to work with my 9 speed drivetrain?
>>
>> On Saturday, November 25, 2023 at 3:12:43 PM UTC-5 Garth wrote:
>>
>>> Years ago I bought a set of Sunrace SLM10 thumbshifters along withe some 
>>> Falcon ones. I've never used them, but you can still buy them retail. They 
>>> both have ratchets, albeit plastic, but they work just fine. Looking at 
>>> buyer comments it's about common issues with any thumbshifter, like the 
>>> shifter needing retightened, or the cables fraying, or "my dog ate my 
>>> shifters and now they're junk... what crappy shifters, one star !"  People 
>>> are nuts. 
>>>
>>> $15 shipped https://www.ebay.com/itm/224487667033
>>>
>>> On Saturday, November 25, 2023 at 2:42:47 PM UTC-5 modemm...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Anyone? :)
>>>>
>>>> On Tuesday, November 21, 2023 at 8:53:03 PM UTC-5 Jon Craig wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Basically looking for a way to get my Silver barend shifters off my 
>>>>> barend! Riv thumb mounts, the IRD PowerRatchet brake levers, etc etc etc. 
>>>>> My budget's limited, so I'm hoping someone has something that'll do this 
>>>>> laying around they'll let go cheap!
>>>>
>>>>

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[RBW] Re: WTB Riv thumb shifter mounts or IRD PowerRatchet brake levers, etc.

[Jon Craig (Vendraen)]

Looks like Riv says just a little filing needed. Can anyone confirm?

On Saturday, November 25, 2023 at 3:41:26 PM UTC-5 Johnny Alien wrote:

> I think I have sunrace thumbshifters that are not as nice as silver 
> shifters but I *think* that silver shifters can be mounted to them. If 
> anyone can confirm that is true I would be happy to send you the 
> thumbshifter mounts for free. They are just sitting around. Like these
>
>
> https://www.rivbike.com/products/sunrace-one-at-a-time-thumb-shifter-right-side
>
> On Saturday, November 25, 2023 at 3:35:02 PM UTC-5 modemm...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Huh! Are they likely to work with my 9 speed drivetrain?
>>
>> On Saturday, November 25, 2023 at 3:12:43 PM UTC-5 Garth wrote:
>>
>>> Years ago I bought a set of Sunrace SLM10 thumbshifters along withe some 
>>> Falcon ones. I've never used them, but you can still buy them retail. They 
>>> both have ratchets, albeit plastic, but they work just fine. Looking at 
>>> buyer comments it's about common issues with any thumbshifter, like the 
>>> shifter needing retightened, or the cables fraying, or "my dog ate my 
>>> shifters and now they're junk... what crappy shifters, one star !"  People 
>>> are nuts. 
>>>
>>> $15 shipped https://www.ebay.com/itm/224487667033
>>>
>>> On Saturday, November 25, 2023 at 2:42:47 PM UTC-5 modemm...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Anyone? :)
>>>>
>>>> On Tuesday, November 21, 2023 at 8:53:03 PM UTC-5 Jon Craig wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Basically looking for a way to get my Silver barend shifters off my 
>>>>> barend! Riv thumb mounts, the IRD PowerRatchet brake levers, etc etc etc. 
>>>>> My budget's limited, so I'm hoping someone has something that'll do this 
>>>>> laying around they'll let go cheap!
>>>>
>>>>

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[RBW] Re: WTB Riv thumb shifter mounts or IRD PowerRatchet brake levers, etc.

[Jon Craig (Vendraen)]

Huh! Are they likely to work with my 9 speed drivetrain?

On Saturday, November 25, 2023 at 3:12:43 PM UTC-5 Garth wrote:

> Years ago I bought a set of Sunrace SLM10 thumbshifters along withe some 
> Falcon ones. I've never used them, but you can still buy them retail. They 
> both have ratchets, albeit plastic, but they work just fine. Looking at 
> buyer comments it's about common issues with any thumbshifter, like the 
> shifter needing retightened, or the cables fraying, or "my dog ate my 
> shifters and now they're junk... what crappy shifters, one star !"  People 
> are nuts. 
>
> $15 shipped https://www.ebay.com/itm/224487667033
>
> On Saturday, November 25, 2023 at 2:42:47 PM UTC-5 modemm...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Anyone? :)
>>
>> On Tuesday, November 21, 2023 at 8:53:03 PM UTC-5 Jon Craig wrote:
>>
>>> Basically looking for a way to get my Silver barend shifters off my 
>>> barend! Riv thumb mounts, the IRD PowerRatchet brake levers, etc etc etc. 
>>> My budget's limited, so I'm hoping someone has something that'll do this 
>>> laying around they'll let go cheap!
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: WTB Riv thumb shifter mounts or IRD PowerRatchet brake levers, etc.

[Jon Craig (Vendraen)]

Anyone? :)

On Tuesday, November 21, 2023 at 8:53:03 PM UTC-5 Jon Craig wrote:

> Basically looking for a way to get my Silver barend shifters off my 
> barend! Riv thumb mounts, the IRD PowerRatchet brake levers, etc etc etc. 
> My budget's limited, so I'm hoping someone has something that'll do this 
> laying around they'll let go cheap!

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[RBW] WTB Riv thumb shifter mounts or IRD PowerRatchet brake levers, etc.

[Jon Craig (Vendraen)]

Basically looking for a way to get my Silver barend shifters off my barend! 
Riv thumb mounts, the IRD PowerRatchet brake levers, etc etc etc. My 
budget's limited, so I'm hoping someone has something that'll do this 
laying around they'll let go cheap!

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[RBW] WTT: (my) Nitto Noodle for (your) Nitto 132 Rando bar (44cm width, preferably)

[Jon Craig (Vendraen)]

As the title says, I'm hoping to arrange a trade for my Nitto Noodle 
handlebars, for Nitto 132 Rando bars, 44cm width, preferably.  It seems I'm 
going to have to try lots of bars so I may as well do it as cheaply as 
possible. :D

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[RBW] Re: YAHT (Yet Another Handlebar Thread) :D

[Jon Craig (Vendraen)]

Eh, I'm really thinking of going back to a drop bar of some sort - there's 
1000 of them out there, and it seems ones with shallower drops and 
mid to high flare are going to make the drops usable.  And I probably want 
something with a longer ramp for even more position variability.  There are 
just. so. many. bars. now.

On Thursday, November 16, 2023 at 10:47:53 AM UTC-5 Johnny Alien wrote:

> I love handlebar discussions. I am a pretty big fan of the Albastache bars 
> and generally have moved to them in instances where I would normally use 
> drops. Similar to you I don't really ride in the drops so Noodles just 
> don't have the same amount of options. That said I also love the look and 
> traditional feel of drops. I plan to try out the Blue Lug specific variant 
> of the Noodles. They are the same bar but with shallower drops and less 
> reach. It seems like that could be perfect and make riding in the drops 
> more accessible. As far as anything that would keep you with road levers 
> for brifters thats about the only options. Albastache bars are clunky set 
> up that way because of the way you need to throw the lever to shift. I have 
> only held off trying the BL bars because I am waiting for a stem I want to 
> come in so that shipping makes more sense.
>
> Now if you do want to move toward a thumb shifter route for road bikes I 
> cannot recommend the Losco bars enough. So good for a sweptback road 
> experience.
>
> On Thursday, November 16, 2023 at 9:54:02 AM UTC-5 modemm...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> I have a 2016 Sam, from the batch of completes that year.  I love the 
>> bike, and now that I'm riding a lot more (my wife was gifted with being 
>> able to ride again after not being able to for years; she has a '16 Sam 
>> too), I swapped bars from the stock (Nitto Noodle) to an Albastache.  
>>
>> The Noodle was only giving me ONE hand position, on the hoods.  The drops 
>> didn't feel usable to me and the flats are just too narrow for my comfort.  
>> The hoods position was putting a lot of pressure on the meaty part of my 
>> hands behind the thumbs.
>>
>> The 'Stache fixes that and gives me a lot of hand positions - on the 
>> "hoods" (but it's a big flat on the 'Stache of course), behind them, and 
>> pretty much all along the rest of the bar.  I like it, but...
>>
>> I do miss the hand position that only comes from having a drop bar on 
>> being on those hoods in that orientation; I just need one that will put 
>> them in a spot that doesn't put all the weight on the meaty-hand-part 
>> behind the thumbs.
>>
>> I have to admit I also miss how the bike looks with a drop bar. O_o  I 
>> dunno, I guess the bike just "wants" that look, to me.
>>
>> I'd also like to not run the shifters as barend shifters... So I'd go 
>> thumbie or some type of (S DON'T TELL GRANT) brifter. 
>>
>> The other issue I don't have access to the funds that some others around 
>> here seem to. :)  These bikes were EXPENSIVE to us ($2,600 a pop and we've 
>> added front and rear racks, fenders, etc.)
>>
>> Ideas, comments, questions, help, etc, etc?  I'm sure lots around here 
>> have Sams and have done this handlebar/cockpit rodeo lots of times!
>>
>

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[RBW] YAHT (Yet Another Handlebar Thread) :D

[Jon Craig (Vendraen)]

I have a 2016 Sam, from the batch of completes that year.  I love the bike, 
and now that I'm riding a lot more (my wife was gifted with being able to 
ride again after not being able to for years; she has a '16 Sam too), I 
swapped bars from the stock (Nitto Noodle) to an Albastache.  

The Noodle was only giving me ONE hand position, on the hoods.  The drops 
didn't feel usable to me and the flats are just too narrow for my comfort.  
The hoods position was putting a lot of pressure on the meaty part of my 
hands behind the thumbs.

The 'Stache fixes that and gives me a lot of hand positions - on the 
"hoods" (but it's a big flat on the 'Stache of course), behind them, and 
pretty much all along the rest of the bar.  I like it, but...

I do miss the hand position that only comes from having a drop bar on being 
on those hoods in that orientation; I just need one that will put them in a 
spot that doesn't put all the weight on the meaty-hand-part behind the 
thumbs.

I have to admit I also miss how the bike looks with a drop bar. O_o  I 
dunno, I guess the bike just "wants" that look, to me.

I'd also like to not run the shifters as barend shifters... So I'd go 
thumbie or some type of (S DON'T TELL GRANT) brifter. 

The other issue I don't have access to the funds that some others around 
here seem to. :)  These bikes were EXPENSIVE to us ($2,600 a pop and we've 
added front and rear racks, fenders, etc.)

Ideas, comments, questions, help, etc, etc?  I'm sure lots around here have 
Sams and have done this handlebar/cockpit rodeo lots of times!

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[RBW] Re: Has anyone else tried the new Riv seat?

[Jon Craig (Vendraen)]

Huh - I'm curious.  Did you ever have the black plastic one they included 
with the 2016 Sam completes?  If so, how does it compare?

On Monday, November 13, 2023 at 4:41:29 PM UTC-5 Tom Goodmann wrote:

> Riv shipment just delivered, including the new seat, which I mounted right 
> away for a neighborhood spin.  I find it immediately comfortable and am 
> eager to try it on a longer ride; first impressions are very positive.  
> Have any of you ridden it yet?
>
> Now for that new derailer/derailleur!
>
> Tom
> Miami, FL, where it is currently 82ºF
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Re: [RBW] Options for converting Silver-1 barend shifters to thumbies?

[Jon Craig (Vendraen)]

Do these work with Silver-1 shifters?  I don't have -2's, I have -1s.


On Monday, November 13, 2023 at 12:15:12 PM UTC-5 reca...@gmail.com wrote:

> I use the MicroShift road thumb shifter mounts with the silver shifters. 
>
> https://www.universalcycles.com/shopping/product_details.php?id=106560
>
> They are very nicely made, work great, and the pair comes in at less than 
> $40. 
>
> On Sunday, November 12, 2023 at 7:46:05 PM UTC-6 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> If you are eager to acquire the X and O thumbie mounts that Rivendell 
>> sells and want to pay less than 45 dollars each for them, maybe just say 
>> how much you want to spend, and maybe somebody who has a set will sell them 
>> to you.  Or maybe you have something that retails for $90 that you no 
>> longer want and you could trade?  There are ways to shake things loose in 
>> this community.  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Saturday, November 11, 2023 at 11:53:51 AM UTC-8 modemm...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Yeah, the Riv ones I knew about. 90 bucks just to mount shifters is 
>>> really expensive, though. I was hoping there was another option LOL. Maybe 
>>> some will come up used. 
>>>
>>> On Saturday, November 11, 2023 at 11:26:47 AM UTC-5 Jay Lonner wrote:
>>>
>>>> As near as I know the only game in town are the mounts sold by Riv for 
>>>> that exact purpose, which you must be familiar with but I’ll link here 
>>>> anyhow: https://www.rivbike.com/products/z558mz-cnv-oialk. Paul used 
>>>> to sell adapters for their Thumbie mounts, but they are neither 1. cheap 
>>>> nor 2. currently in production, so would require some scrounging. 
>>>>
>>>> Jay Lonner
>>>> Bellingham, WA
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my Atari 400
>>>>
>>>> On Nov 11, 2023, at 8:13 AM, Jon Craig (Vendraen)  
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> So what options exist for converting Silver-1 barend shifters to 
>>>> thumbies? That don't cost a fortune - $60-$70 per shifter seems just crazy 
>>>> honestly. Is there anything more reasonable? 
>>>>
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Re: [RBW] Options for converting Silver-1 barend shifters to thumbies?

[Jon Craig (Vendraen)]

Yeah, the Riv ones I knew about. 90 bucks just to mount shifters is really 
expensive, though. I was hoping there was another option LOL. Maybe some 
will come up used. 

On Saturday, November 11, 2023 at 11:26:47 AM UTC-5 Jay Lonner wrote:

> As near as I know the only game in town are the mounts sold by Riv for 
> that exact purpose, which you must be familiar with but I’ll link here 
> anyhow: https://www.rivbike.com/products/z558mz-cnv-oialk. Paul used to 
> sell adapters for their Thumbie mounts, but they are neither 1. cheap nor 
> 2. currently in production, so would require some scrounging. 
>
> Jay Lonner
> Bellingham, WA
>
> Sent from my Atari 400
>
> On Nov 11, 2023, at 8:13 AM, Jon Craig (Vendraen)  
> wrote:
>
> So what options exist for converting Silver-1 barend shifters to 
> thumbies? That don't cost a fortune - $60-$70 per shifter seems just crazy 
> honestly. Is there anything more reasonable? 
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[RBW] Options for converting Silver-1 barend shifters to thumbies?

[Jon Craig (Vendraen)]

So what options exist for converting Silver-1 barend shifters to thumbies? 
That don't cost a fortune - $60-$70 per shifter seems just crazy honestly. 
Is there anything more reasonable?

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Re: [RBW] Bag options on an Albastache bar?

[Jon Craig (Vendraen)]

Dave - thanks so much! I'll do some measuring!

Also let me know how you like the different lever position! I'm intrigued!

On Friday, November 10, 2023 at 4:08:25 PM UTC-5 DavidP wrote:

> I happen to be in the midst of an Albastache bike build and I test fit a 
> Chest and a Fanny. 
>
> Stem length is 70mm. Note that my brake lever position is not the 
> conventional 'stache placement but further back to allow brake access from 
> both forward leaning (on the hoods) and upright positions.
>
> Depending on your bar to tire distance you might want to keep the Mark's 
> rack to support the bottom of the bag. This bike has a VO canti mount rack 
> and there is ~12" from the center of the bar clamp to the highest portion 
> of the tire (~10" to the rack platform).  The seat post is high for 
> clamping in a work stand; saddle will end up about even with the bars.
>
> Going in to this exercise I figured the Chest would be overkill on a bike 
> like this, and I probably still lean that way, but it's growing on me.
>
> [image: PXL_20231110_194943840-chest-1024.jpg]
> [image: PXL_20231110_195003021-chest-profile-1024.jpg]
> [image: PXL_20231110_195515343_fanny-1024.jpg]
> [image: PXL_20231110_195639978-fanny-profile-1024.jpg]
>
> -Dave
>
> On Thursday, November 9, 2023 at 7:11:21 PM UTC-5 Eric Daume wrote:
>
>> Another vote for a saddle bag, this time with a photo.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 9, 2023 at 7:09 PM Eric Daume  wrote:
>>
>>> Another vote for a saddle bag:
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Nov 9, 2023 at 7:05 PM Frank Brose  wrote:
>>>
>>>> I use a Riv Banana bag. 
>>>> Frank
>>>>
>>>> On Thursday, November 9, 2023 at 5:57:33 PM UTC-6 Coal Bee Rye Anne 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> This is and old moustache bar build from several years ago but this 
>>>>> upcycled military surplus style small saddle bag worked great, both on 
>>>>> the 
>>>>> moustache bar as well as in the similar central ‘pocket’ of some 
>>>>> butterfly 
>>>>> trekking bars.  Same thing with the smaller VO Croissant bag pictured on 
>>>>> the saddle. 
>>>>>
>>>>>  I’m now using the same bag on a Chocomoose bar and it does snug up 
>>>>> better with the stick mount on the flat center of the Chocomoose than it 
>>>>> did with the dirt drop stem and moustache bar or trekking bar, since the 
>>>>> stick tends to hit the stem bolts, but the size and shape otherwise tuck 
>>>>> well into the curve of the moustache style bars.  Certainly not as roomy 
>>>>> as 
>>>>> some larger bags like a Ron’s Chest but no interference with the brakes 
>>>>> or 
>>>>> grips that I recall and the saddle loop strap spacing pretty much fits 
>>>>> within the same space.  Maybe if you have enough room to offset the bag 
>>>>> below the levers like I would with a tall frame you may have greater 
>>>>> clearance between a bigger bag and the grips/levers.  I just never tried 
>>>>> any bags larger than shown here with this setup, unfortunately.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best of luck!
>>>>>
>>>>> Brian Cole
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thursday, November 9, 2023, Patrick Moore  
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Plenty of options if you use a saddlebag!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Patrick "all rear loading all the time" Moore
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Nov 9, 2023 at 9:22 AM Jon Craig (Vendraen) <
>>>>>> modemm...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>> So I'm wondering what my options are for bags on an Albastache setup. 
>>>>>>> I currently have a Mark's rack with an Acorn Bags boxy Random, but I'd 
>>>>>>> rather run something like a Ron's Bikes Fabio's Chest. Has anyone done 
>>>>>>> this? Is it possible?!?!? :) 
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[RBW] Bag options on an Albastache bar?

[Jon Craig (Vendraen)]

So I'm wondering what my options are for bags on an Albastache setup. I 
currently have a Mark's rack with an Acorn Bags boxy Random, but I'd rather 
run something like a Ron's Bikes Fabio's Chest. Has anyone done this? Is it 
possible?!?!? :)

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[RBW] Acorn Bags (acornbags.com) boxy rando bags!

[Jon Craig]

I'm surprised these haven't been mentioned here (or at least I haven't SEEN 
them mentioned!) - but Acorn Bags are very, very nice!  We just got ours in 
today and they look very, very nice.  The new colors seem almost chosen to 
go well with the current Sam production colors.  I got "Gray" for mine, and 
she got "Dark Olive" for hers.  They may be hard to get (handmade by a 
husband/wife team, so production is limited) but it seems worth the trouble 
(and cost).

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Re: [RBW] Re: WTB Mark's rack!

[Jon Craig]

Hey, super helpful - thanks! :)

We got an M18 ordered for her yesterday from our LBS that we have the 
credit at.  Yay @ "free" rack!

(Acornbags order arrives today...)

On Wednesday, July 13, 2016 at 12:32:28 AM UTC-4, Lungimsam wrote:
>
> I have an M18 on my blue Sam and it fits perfectly. Got it on in no time.
> Here is a pic: https://flic.kr/p/FRbnBN

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[RBW] Re: WTB Mark's rack!

[Jon Craig]

Hmm, can anyone confirm that rack works on a Sam w/o committing acts of metal 
violence?

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[RBW] Re: WTB Mark's rack!

[Jon Craig]

Would be nice if we were that privileged that it were that easy but $5,200 
for 2x Sams + the prior bikes not selling quickly + my Marks rack @ retail 
price + the cost of the Acorn bags mean we need to save a bit on the Marks 
for her... :(

On Sunday, July 10, 2016 at 9:54:22 AM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Jon,
>
> These are lovely racks, so folks tend to hold on to them, though they do 
> pop up every other now and then for around $100 (but be quick, 'cause this 
> group moves fast!). If you need it now, skip a dinner out and buy it from 
> Rivendell, along with some handlebar tape or loose bits to get the "free" 
> shipping and Bob's your uncle in a safe of houses. Grin.
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[RBW] Re: WTB Mark's rack!

[Jon Craig]

Anyone? :)

On Tuesday, July 5, 2016 at 2:55:06 PM UTC-4, Jon Craig wrote:
>
> I'm looking to buy a Mark's rack for my wife's Sam - I got mine at retail 
> and we both just ordered boxy randos from acornbags.com so she needs a 
> rack for hers. :D
>
> I'm sure the RBW bunch can help us out!
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[RBW] WTB Mark's rack!

[Jon Craig]

I'm looking to buy a Mark's rack for my wife's Sam - I got mine at retail 
and we both just ordered boxy randos from acornbags.com so she needs a rack 
for hers. :D

I'm sure the RBW bunch can help us out!

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[RBW] Re: Seeking advice - where would you turn to, to try to sell non-Rivvy bikes?

[Jon Craig]

Because it's forbidden to sell non-Rivlike things here, or even really 
discuss them. :)

I'm actually glad this thread was allowed to stand.

On Tuesday, June 28, 2016 at 1:59:58 PM UTC-4, pb wrote:
>
> Why not start here, or on the BOB list, or at least provide links to your 
> listings elsewhere?
>
> ~pb
>
>
>
> On Monday, June 27, 2016 at 4:20:00 AM UTC-7, Jon Craig wrote:
>
>> So, buying a Sam for me and a Sam for the wife, before selling Our Other 
>> Bikes(tm) was painful financially, but Sams are available when they're 
>> available, and they were at A1 (our local Riv dealer, thankfully we have 
>> one!) .. .so we bought them.
>>
>> But now our old bikes need sold - and the only place I know of to list 
>> them is Craigslist, which I've done.  They're listed in our local CL, the 
>> next big-city CL (Indianapolis) and the next big city further (Bloomington, 
>> IN).  Not a lot of interest.
>>
>> Is there another place to sell bikes online? I mean other than eBay of 
>> course, which I'm thinking of too.
>>
>> (They're high-ish-value Specialized full-carbon endurance geo road bikes.)
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Seeking advice - where would you turn to, to try to sell non-Rivvy bikes?

[Jon Craig]

paceline.com goes to a medical supply company... 

On Monday, June 27, 2016 at 11:08:58 AM UTC-4, Eric Daume wrote:
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> The paceline.com forums has a very active buy and sell sub forum. 
>
> Eric
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[RBW] Re: Seeking advice - where would you turn to, to try to sell non-Rivvy bikes?

[Jon Craig]

Hey cool - a place that doesn't charge for posting.  I posted them there - 
thanks for the rec!


On Monday, June 27, 2016 at 9:16:00 AM UTC-4, Jeremy Tavan wrote:
>
> A friend of mine recommended http://www.pinkbike.com/buysell/ as an 
> active buying and selling forum for bikes, though I haven't made use of it 
> myself. Seems a bit more MTB oriented, but there are other categories with 
> plenty of listings.
>
> /Jeremy
>
> On Monday, June 27, 2016 at 4:20:00 AM UTC-7, Jon Craig wrote:
>>
>> So, buying a Sam for me and a Sam for the wife, before selling Our Other 
>> Bikes(tm) was painful financially, but Sams are available when they're 
>> available, and they were at A1 (our local Riv dealer, thankfully we have 
>> one!) .. .so we bought them.
>>
>> But now our old bikes need sold - and the only place I know of to list 
>> them is Craigslist, which I've done.  They're listed in our local CL, the 
>> next big-city CL (Indianapolis) and the next big city further (Bloomington, 
>> IN).  Not a lot of interest.
>>
>> Is there another place to sell bikes online? I mean other than eBay of 
>> course, which I'm thinking of too.
>>
>> (They're high-ish-value Specialized full-carbon endurance geo road bikes.)
>>
>>

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[RBW] Seeking advice - where would you turn to, to try to sell non-Rivvy bikes?

[Jon Craig]

So, buying a Sam for me and a Sam for the wife, before selling Our Other 
Bikes(tm) was painful financially, but Sams are available when they're 
available, and they were at A1 (our local Riv dealer, thankfully we have 
one!) .. .so we bought them.

But now our old bikes need sold - and the only place I know of to list them 
is Craigslist, which I've done.  They're listed in our local CL, the next 
big-city CL (Indianapolis) and the next big city further (Bloomington, 
IN).  Not a lot of interest.

Is there another place to sell bikes online? I mean other than eBay of 
course, which I'm thinking of too.

(They're high-ish-value Specialized full-carbon endurance geo road bikes.)

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[RBW] Re: New Sam-haver with rack questions!

[Jon Craig]

Well, A1 happened to have a Mark's in stock.  Now they don't. :D

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[RBW] Re: Sam with 'staches?

[Jon Craig]

Thanks for the detailed answer!  (And yes, we're both LOVING our Sams!  
Truly amazing bikes.)

The Albastache looks good and I'm really thinking about it. It would be 
just the bar for me, since I have a Samcomplete, which has barend shifters 
that will go in the barend position on that bar.  But I still wonder about 
moving them to the stem or downtube and putting some nice grips on instead. 
O_o

On Friday, June 24, 2016 at 11:11:46 AM UTC-4, Surlyprof wrote:
>
> Jon,
>
> First of all, congratulations on your double Sam purchase.  If you and 
> your wife have not completely fallen in love with the bikes already... you 
> will!  I bought my orange canti-Sam new-to-me on craigslist.  It came with 
> Albatross bars wrapped with leather Brooks tape (cream-colored... or so I 
> thought), bar end shifters and Paul mountain levers (
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/129545862@N03/16372487184/in/dateposted-public/).
>  
>  Felt great for cruising around unracing but I found that I was riding the 
> fronts of the bars a lot seeking a little more aggressive riding position. 
>  I also noticed that the bar end shifters occasionally hit my knees if I 
> wasn't careful.  I had once had mustache bars on a Surly Cross Check and 
> loved them.  This lead me to bite the bullet and buy Albastache bars.  It 
> was a decent sized investment.  The Albastache purchase required buying a 
> new 26.0 stem that is 3cm shorter than the Albatross stem, new road levers 
> (bummed to let go of the Pauls) and new cables.  Roughly $250.  Final 
> assessment... totally worth it!  I love this set up (
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/129545862@N03/24621117222/in/dateposted-public/ 
> and 
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/129545862@N03/17290439362/in/dateposted-public/)!
>  
>  It doesn't provide as upright position as the Albatross does but it does 
> provide enough for me.  I love the more aggressive riding position that 
> gives me all the forward lean I want from a bar (less than drops).  
>
> I've kept the Albatross bars, Paul levers and 25.4 stem in case I ever 
> want to change things up again but the Albastache is here to stay for the 
> foreseeable future.  Even better than my old mustache bars.  Great on road, 
> great on trails.  The only other bars I'd consider now are the Choco Norm 
> which seems to provide the forward position as well as a more upright 
> position than the Albastache.  I'd probably have to use thumbies so my 
> knees don't hit bar ends.  As for the leather tape, I removed the 
> creme-colored Brooks tape only to find out it was burgundy tape that had 
> faded!  I transferred my honey Brooks tape from another bike to match my 
> saddle.  This is the third bike I've had this tape on.  It has held up 
> beautifully and has even been torn in a crash.  Since it only cut it 
> halfway through, I reinforced it with Gorilla tape underneath and rewrapped 
> it in the other direction so the cut was covered.  Still going strong for 6 
> or 7 years and comfy.  I just use saddle goop on it occassionally (
> http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/goo13-big.htm).
>
> Enjoy your Sams.
> John
>
> On Friday, June 24, 2016 at 3:28:59 AM UTC-7, Jon Craig wrote:
>>
>> How many out there installed a 'stache bar (Mous or Alba!) on their Sam?  
>> Did you keep the existing bar-end shifters?  Or move them to the stem or 
>> downtube?  I'd love to see pics of different setups - and more importantly 
>> hear about how well they worked out and what you like/liked and/or 
>> don't/didn't like about it.
>>
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[RBW] Re: A bit offtopic discussion of RivBike's shipping times

[Jon Craig]

That's their mistake, and that cost them dearly. :(


On Friday, June 24, 2016 at 10:54:01 AM UTC-4, Ron Mc wrote:
>
> yes and no - I bought a repair stand from Chain Reaction in UK - it was at 
> their free shipping price level.  They sent it Parcel Force, I had it in 4 
> days and it had to cost them $45 to ship it, so they lost money (they 
> turned around and lowered the price so no one else could do that)
>
> On Friday, June 24, 2016 at 9:31:04 AM UTC-5, Jon Craig wrote:
>>
>> ...
>>
>> "Free shipping" is an illusion.  It's not free; it's just bundled into 
>> prices.  Amazon and it's ilk (mostly just Amazon) has really effed things 
>> up for anyone smaller.
>> ...
>>
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[RBW] Re: A bit offtopic discussion of RivBike's shipping times

[Jon Craig]

"What he said" + more.:

As the co-owner of a small business (a ton smaller than Rivendell!) I read 
this thread with a little horror.  I know a lot of non-business owners 
think owning a business is some magic that makes shipping cheap; some 
"consumers" even believe shipping is FREE if you own a business.  It's not 
true.  Until you get to a scale a little above Rivendell's size, you don't 
get ANY discounts on shipping.  And until you get way, way, way bigger than 
Rivendell is or ever will be (and bigger than it WANTS to be) ... 
shipping's still "expensive."

"Free shipping" is an illusion.  It's not free; it's just bundled into 
prices.  Amazon and it's ilk (mostly just Amazon) has really effed things 
up for anyone smaller.

As far as UPS vs. USPS...I can't understand why UPS still exists.  USPS 
ships cheaper AND faster.  That's right - not only is shipping an item via 
USPS cheaper...it will also arrive DAYS SOONER than if you'd shipped it 
UPS.  UPS is just riding on the days of them being the only choice.   Yes, 
UPS's tracking is a lot better, but in the end, tracking's cool - but what 
really matters is how much it costs to ship and when it will get there - 
and the answers for those questions with USPS will always be "less" and 
"sooner."

On Friday, June 24, 2016 at 10:18:33 AM UTC-4, John A. Bennett wrote:
>
> Rivendell is a small company who often loses money on shipping, and whose 
> retail prices for Made In USA (or Japan or..) would not stand the test of a 
> number-crunching, pencil sharpening accountant. Their mark-ups are very 
> low. 
>
> UPS's tracking service - and refund policy for lost packages - is head & 
> shoulders above the USPS. Answering emails and phone calls from customers 
> concerning the whereabouts of their merchandise is done effectively and 
> quickly (and pleasantly!) when the package was shipped UPS. The information 
> about its exact location is available on-demand. As someone commented, 
> customers now expect that. 
>
> UPS picks up at Rivendell every day at exactly 4PM. The shipping 
> department is a blur of activity from the moment they arrive until the 
> moment Barry, the UPS driver, pulls away. The packages are wrapped with 
> incredible artistry and there is no waste. Diverting individual orders into 
> separate shipping streams is just not feasible with a shipping department 
> of only two people (and only one, when someone goes on vacation). Yes, they 
> could hire more peopleand raise pricesand thenlet the new 
> threads begin! 
>
>
> John Bennett
>
> Former Rivendell Employee
> Portland, Oregon
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thursday, June 23, 2016 at 3:22:49 PM UTC-7, Belopsky wrote:
>>
>> Ordered gloves, ferrules, a couple washers..
>>
>> $9 for surepost.
>>
>> And estimate delivery? July 1st. Ridiculous, right?
>>
>> All of those items would fit into a flat rate envelope and be here in 3 
>> days vis USPS.
>>
>> Grant, hope you and others are listening.
>>
>>
>> Thoughts everyone?
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Sam with 'staches?

[Jon Craig]

Huh - I may have to pass. I don't think it would look good with either 
Sam-color (unless I'm mis-picturing the color!). (Mine's blue, my wife's is 
the Orange.)

Offer's appreciated though! :)

On Friday, June 24, 2016 at 9:59:39 AM UTC-4, Ron Mc wrote:
>
> If you're interested in light Mustard Brown, I have a set sitting around 
> for such-a-deal.  I bought it for my daughter's bike and the color wouldn't 
> work at all.  
> I looked at it seriously for my Raleigh this time, but bought more antique 
> brown.  
>
> On Friday, June 24, 2016 at 8:53:53 AM UTC-5, Jon Craig wrote:
>>
>> Good to know, thanks!  Perhaps I'll do leather tape then.  The look is 
>> fantastic.
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Sam with 'staches?

[Jon Craig]

Good to know, thanks!  Perhaps I'll do leather tape then.  The look is 
fantastic.

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[RBW] Re: Sam with 'staches?

[Jon Craig]

Wow - that does look nice! :)

Question about leather bar tape - how long does it last?  I can't fathom 
dropping $70 on bar tape if it has to be replaced as often as the cotton 
stuffs!

On Friday, June 24, 2016 at 9:21:48 AM UTC-4, Ron Mc wrote:
>
> Just wanted to add something cool.  My moustache cockpit is on my old 
> Raleigh.  With Rivendell bar-end pods, I'm still using the Zeus shift 
> levers that were installed on my bike as downtube shifters in 1978.  
>
>
> When you set the bars up. First thing is position of the brakes, next 
> rotation on the bars in the stem, then rotation (down) on the brakes.  Get 
> all that set before you wrap.  
>
>
> On Friday, June 24, 2016 at 7:54:25 AM UTC-5, Ron Mc wrote:
>>
>> I have Brooks leather bar wrap on my moustache bars - in fact, just 
>> replaced them last week.  Again, I love it, and it's funny how many people 
>> at stops have to touch it.  
>>
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[RBW] Re: Sam with 'staches?

[Jon Craig]

Huh!  Interesting - I didn't know you could jury-rig barend shifters onto 
thumbie mounts!  Does that work with any shifters or just the DA's?

On Friday, June 24, 2016 at 8:46:39 AM UTC-4, Jon in central Colorado wrote:
>
> I have Albatross bars with Dura Ace 9 spd bar ends mounted on Paul 
> thumbies with Brooks bar wrap. I love this set-up and enjoy having the 
> shifters at my finger( thumb )tips.
> Jon
>
> On Friday, June 24, 2016 at 4:28:59 AM UTC-6, Jon Craig wrote:
>
>> How many out there installed a 'stache bar (Mous or Alba!) on their Sam?  
>> Did you keep the existing bar-end shifters?  Or move them to the stem or 
>> downtube?  I'd love to see pics of different setups - and more importantly 
>> hear about how well they worked out and what you like/liked and/or 
>> don't/didn't like about it.
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Sam with 'staches?

[Jon Craig]

Did you relocate the shifters when you were in 'stache configuration?

On Friday, June 24, 2016 at 8:25:29 AM UTC-4, drew wrote:
>
> I did. It worked great. I have since moved to noodles to make my Sam feel 
> more roady and have less overlap with my other bikes, which all kind of err 
> on the touring side of things. 

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[RBW] Re: Sam with 'staches?

[Jon Craig]

Hm.  Well, I really thought to put on some nice grips instead, but maybe 
you are wiser. :D

On Friday, June 24, 2016 at 8:11:41 AM UTC-4, Ron Mc wrote:
>
> answering out of turn, bar end shifters on moustache bars is a match made 
> in bike heaven
>
> On Friday, June 24, 2016 at 5:28:59 AM UTC-5, Jon Craig wrote:
>>
>> How many out there installed a 'stache bar (Mous or Alba!) on their Sam?  
>> Did you keep the existing bar-end shifters?  Or move them to the stem or 
>> downtube?  I'd love to see pics of different setups - and more importantly 
>> hear about how well they worked out and what you like/liked and/or 
>> don't/didn't like about it.
>>
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[RBW] Re: Another new Appaloosa

[Jon Craig]

I agree with Bill.  Nice bike, terrible picture. :D

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[RBW] Sam with 'staches?

[Jon Craig]

How many out there installed a 'stache bar (Mous or Alba!) on their Sam?  
Did you keep the existing bar-end shifters?  Or move them to the stem or 
downtube?  I'd love to see pics of different setups - and more importantly 
hear about how well they worked out and what you like/liked and/or 
don't/didn't like about it.

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[RBW] Re: New Sam-haver with rack questions!

[Jon Craig]

Only a very few Nitto products are carried by QBP.  One of the front racks 
is for canti bikes only, and the other, not sure if it would fit.

Only Rivendell is allowed to sell the Mark's, since the Mark it's named 
for... is a Rivendell employee. :D

On Thursday, June 23, 2016 at 9:08:22 AM UTC-4, David Banzer wrote:
>
> I'm fairly certain QBP carries Nitto products if you have credit at your 
> LBS. 
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: New Sam-haver with rack questions!

[Jon Craig]

That's good - but again - I have a huge credit at a LBS so anything from 
QBP (inc. VO stuff) is "free" to me. 

That's the problem.  But the V-O rack just would not work.  Ah well.

On Thursday, June 23, 2016 at 8:55:45 AM UTC-4, Minh wrote:
>
>
> And as far as cost, i've seen Mark's racks trade hands here for $80-$100 
> so around the price of a VO rack.
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: New Sam-haver with rack questions!

[Jon Craig]

Eh, it wasn't the best decision we've ever made.  But, Sams are available 
in the quantities they're available in, and basically only once a year.

Bicycling together is an important fun/bonding activity for my wife and 
myself, and our prior bikes were not proving to be the fun, carefree 
experience we'd wanted.  So we did this.  It is painful, especially since 
the prior bikes sit unsold, and they're painfully valuable too.

But, you only live once, and not for that long - and this was important to 
us, so it's done. )

On Thursday, June 23, 2016 at 7:35:32 AM UTC-4, drew wrote:
>
> If it's not necessary immediately, keep an eye on the list. Good stuff 
> with generous prices pops up all the time. 
> And if you can drop 5k on bikes at one time, you're better off than most 
> people I know. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: New Sam-haver with rack questions!

[Jon Craig]

HAHA, that should do the trick.

Though apparently I'm in a different income bracket than the rest of the 
people here, as after spending $5,200, the $140 for a rack seems 
expensive... as I just spent $5,200! :D


On Thursday, June 23, 2016 at 7:09:16 AM UTC-4, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
>
>
> On 06/23/2016 06:57 AM, Jon Craig wrote: 
> > 
> > I'll just use the rear rack for now, and perhaps wait until a Mark's 
> > rack doesn't seem expensive. 
>
> Perhaps if you check on prices for a custom rack... 
>

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[RBW] Re: New Sam-haver with rack questions!

[Jon Craig]

Well that was a disaster. :D

Yeah, the VO constructeur front rack won't work on a Sam, at least not for 
someone with my level of skills (admittedly next to nil!)

The shape of the tang just doesn't work.  It's got that down-bend in it, 
that when placed through the brake caliper, causes the whole thing to push 
down and rub on the tire.  Not to mention you can't really insert it 
through far enough because of the aforementioned down-bend.

Luckily I decided to dry-fit it before removing the hang tag and little 
bundle of hardware, so returning it was easy enough.

I'll just use the rear rack for now, and perhaps wait until a Mark's rack 
doesn't seem expensive.

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[RBW] Re: New Sam-haver with rack questions!

[Jon Craig]

Eh, it was either this or wait a long time, as like I said, I have a 
sizable credit at one of my LBS's - so I can get whatever I want for "free" 
but it has to be something QBP has, which basically means the only thing 
that really suits is the VO constructeur.

I guess I'll see how it all fits when the rack arrives.  If there's any 
violence/etc required I'll give up and wait I suppose.  I don't have the 
skills or the tools to modify steel!

On Tuesday, June 21, 2016 at 2:38:56 PM UTC-4, Minh wrote:
>
> i've not installed on my sam, but have installed on a side-pull-braked 
> bike, for me (and it was a similiar sized bike to my sam) i had to cut some 
> of the bottom tangs off as i wanted to use one of the holes farther up and 
> the tangs interfered at the drop-outs.  
>
> you also have to bend that fork tang quite a bit to clear the front 
> brakes.  the daruma option will eat up space under the fork crown, so not a 
> perfect solution.
>
> i'd still investigate drew's suggestion as that's a much cleaner install 
> than the tang behind the brake.
>
> would not have been my first choice given your stated requirements, but 
> good luck!
>
> On Tuesday, June 21, 2016 at 8:40:43 AM UTC-4, Jon Craig wrote:
>>
>> O_o
>>
>> Sounds advanced.
>>
>> I'll see how it looks/works/feels "stock" first.  
>>
>> On Tuesday, June 21, 2016 at 8:37:00 AM UTC-4, drew wrote:
>>>
>>> You could also use the surly hardware with the vo constructeur to go 
>>> laterally to the midfork eyelets and cut off the tang altogether. 
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: How hot is your town?

[Jon Craig]

Yeah that's pretty dry. Makes things feel not-as-bad though 100 is still 
fairly nasty.

Karachi... Pakistan?  Seems like that would be a hell hole for lots more 
reasons than just the climate.

On Tuesday, June 21, 2016 at 9:33:08 AM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> It's at 41% right now, if WU can be believed, and bottoms out at a 
> relatively high -- for us, mid day, summer -- 15%. But yes, it is in the 
> general sense of the word, dry. I used to live in W DC (and Karachi, what a 
> hell hole -- no rain and high humidity).
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Re: [RBW] Re: How hot is your town?

[Jon Craig]

It's dry in NM though isn't it?

(I'm from California originally and have been to the Mojave desert often. 
110 there isn't as bad as 90 is here - humidity sucks!)

On Tuesday, June 21, 2016 at 9:25:35 AM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> 104 outside my door yesterday afternoon, but only briefly, and today is 
> claimed to peak at about 98.
>
> Patrick Moore, in ABQ, NM
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[RBW] Re: New Sam-haver with rack questions!

[Jon Craig]

O_o

Sounds advanced.

I'll see how it looks/works/feels "stock" first.  

On Tuesday, June 21, 2016 at 8:37:00 AM UTC-4, drew wrote:
>
> You could also use the surly hardware with the vo constructeur to go 
> laterally to the midfork eyelets and cut off the tang altogether. 

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[RBW] Re: New Sam-haver with rack questions!

[Jon Craig]

Yeah, I'm not going to put much on it. 5# max I'd say?  If that.

On Tuesday, June 21, 2016 at 8:08:35 AM UTC-4, Philip Kim wrote:
>
> Jon, although it has the reinforced struts to the bottom of the fork leg, 
> i would still watch the amount of stuff you put on it, since it's only 
> connected to the fork crown with a tange, so it's not laterally reinforced. 
> The rack was designed with small rando bags in mind.
>
> On Tuesday, June 21, 2016 at 7:42:44 AM UTC-4, Jon Craig wrote:
>>
>> According to V-O's site they come pre-drilled now.  Yeah, I don't want to 
>> try to drill steel. :D   It comes with the daruma as well, so if I need it, 
>> it's there.
>>
>> BTW - Sam's brake bolt comes in through the back of the crown rather than 
>> bolting through the front - it's an odd bolt.  I wonder if the daruma will 
>> work on it.  Guess I'll find out!
>>
>> On Tuesday, June 21, 2016 at 7:32:27 AM UTC-4, drew wrote:
>>>
>>> The vo constructeur will work fine, but I'm not sure it fits your plug n 
>>> play requirements. You may need to cut the bottom mounts, bend the tang (if 
>>> you want it thru the brake bolt), or use a daruma (if you don't).
>>>
>>> That being said it's a cool rack that fulfills a unique gap in front 
>>> racks. Lightish, steel, much sturdier than a mini but not delving into 
>>> heavy duty touring/pannier capability. 
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: New Sam-haver with rack questions!

[Jon Craig]

According to V-O's site they come pre-drilled now.  Yeah, I don't want to 
try to drill steel. :D   It comes with the daruma as well, so if I need it, 
it's there.

BTW - Sam's brake bolt comes in through the back of the crown rather than 
bolting through the front - it's an odd bolt.  I wonder if the daruma will 
work on it.  Guess I'll find out!

On Tuesday, June 21, 2016 at 7:32:27 AM UTC-4, drew wrote:
>
> The vo constructeur will work fine, but I'm not sure it fits your plug n 
> play requirements. You may need to cut the bottom mounts, bend the tang (if 
> you want it thru the brake bolt), or use a daruma (if you don't).
>
> That being said it's a cool rack that fulfills a unique gap in front 
> racks. Lightish, steel, much sturdier than a mini but not delving into 
> heavy duty touring/pannier capability. 
>

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[RBW] General Sam praise, etc...

[Jon Craig]

So I know I'm basically preaching to the choir here and there's nothing I 
can or will say that hasn't been said, but I figure the Sam and Rivendell 
in general can always use more voices saying "THESE ARE GOOD BIKES AND 
PEOPLE SHOULD LOOK AT THEM AND PROBABLY BUY 
THEM!onetwothree!!!"

(And yes I know I should have posted this BEFORE I posted my rack question 
a week ago, but ... oh well!)

Anyway, I've been aware of Rivendell for a long time - sometime before Sam 
existed?  Bombabil was still a thing I believe.  Don't remember how I found 
Riv, but the name drew me first, as I'm a huge Tolkien fan.

I've had a lot of bikes over the years, but this (2016, 55 cm, blue, 
ndle) Sam is my first Riv.  I've got 2 very, very good (and 
very different) LBSs here in Lafayette, IN but neither are Riv dealers, and 
I could never really fathom spending $3,000 on a bike I couldn't see, 
touch, and ride first.

Country Bike Shop over in Ohio was a thing for a while, and my wife and I 
had planned to go over there (it's not a super long drive) and check out 
Rivs but that never happened and now they shut down.

But last year I noticed that Riv authorized another group of dealers and 
one is A1 Cyclery in Indianapolis!  That's only 55 miles! Cool!  So I 
finally was able to see Rivs in person late last year.

I didn't buy one, because my wife and I got wowed by Some Other Bikes at 
one of the LBSs here and we bought those.

But my brain and soul were NOT jiving with that bike, and so... I bought a 
Sam.   We went back about 4 days after getting mine, with my wife's carbon 
bike so she could test ride her bike and a Sam back-to-back (she needs that 
instant back-to-back comparison), and we left with Sam #2. :D

Anyway, I was thrilled, happy, and just ... so freekin happy ... that 
everything I'd read about Rivendell bikes over the years, and Sam 
specifically, were actually totally true.  It really does ride perfectly, 
feels great, and just is the bike I've wanted for a couple decades.

I've been work-commuting on my Sam as weather allows and it's been 
awesome.  And my wife and I ride together in the afternoons.  She has more 
trouble getting hers dialed it but it's something we're used to.  She has 
chronic pain (fibro) and so things aren't as simple for her.  But she loves 
her Sam too!

Now we just need to find buyers for our previous bikes, as sitting on 
another $5,000 worth of bikes is a little painful!


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[RBW] Re: How hot is your town?

[Jon Craig]

It's been relatively hot here in Lafayette, IN.

Upper 80s to low or mid 90s, with heat indices/"real feels" into the high 
90s and even lower 100s.  A couple days so far with real temps nearing 
100.  And it's not even July yet!

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[RBW] Re: New Sam-haver with rack questions!

[Jon Craig]

Welp, I'll find out later this week if it works. :D

I have a large credit at one of my LBS's so I ordered up a VO constructeur 
front rack to try out.  Hopefully it'll fit easily enough.

On Monday, June 20, 2016 at 8:43:44 AM UTC-4, Jon Craig wrote:
>
> Has anyone installed a V-O constructeur front rack onto a Sam?
>

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[RBW] Re: New Sam-haver with rack questions!

[Jon Craig]

Has anyone installed a V-O constructeur front rack onto a Sam?

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[RBW] Re: New Sam-haver with rack questions!

[Jon Craig]

The reason I don't have any specifics is that I am literally trying to 
compile a list of 

*all the front racks that fit without bodging, and that are cheaper than 
Nitto.*$5,200 is a lot of money; our budget is blown for a while, so this 
won't be a soon-purchase.  I just want to know what works.  All of them.

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[RBW] Re: New Sam-haver with rack questions!

[Jon Craig]

Nittos are just way, way, way too expensive.

On Friday, June 17, 2016 at 10:12:19 AM UTC-4, Ryan Thompson wrote:
>
> I have a Cheviot, which has the same brake setup as your Sam, and use 
> Mark's Nitto Rack with a Wald basket.  Can't go wrong as the rack was 
> specifically developed for Rivendell's with caliper brakes.
>
> http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/r1.htm
>
> Ryan
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[RBW] Re: New Sam-haver with rack questions!

[Jon Craig]

Any front rack that fits easily without a lot of bodging would be fine.

I usually would want silver, but since my rear rack is a spare Trek that I 
had around (which is black), a black front rack would balance it out.

As far as size, anything!  I'm really just trying to gather a list of what 
fits, for later purchase.

A lot of stuff for instance requires using the fork crown hole. Can't, as 
it's used on the Sam (by the brake).

On Friday, June 17, 2016 at 9:57:36 AM UTC-4, Minh wrote:
>
> Jon,
>
> could you be a little more specific on what you're looking for?  a small 
> rack, a full-size rack? what do you want to carry? a trunk sack? panniers?
>
> all of my experience is with the nitto options, so can't comment on 
> alternatives--i'm also a bit of a color matcher, so putting a silver nitto 
> rack with a black blackburn wouldn't work for me!
>
>
> On Friday, June 17, 2016 at 9:44:22 AM UTC-4, Jon Craig wrote:
>>
>> "WTB" usually means "Want To Buy."  I don't necessarily want to buy one, 
>> I just want the info on what has worked for people, for future reference.  
>> Budget is totally depleted for now (2x Sams is a lot of money!)
>>
>> On Friday, June 17, 2016 at 9:36:01 AM UTC-4, Howard Hatten wrote:
>>>
>>> Jon
>>> Congratulations on your new bikes. SAMs are really nice bikes. For your 
>>> rack needs just post a WTB to the list. This group is very friendly & they 
>>> know just what will work for your bike. I'm sure you'll find something in 
>>> no time. 
>>> Safe riding
>>>
>>> Howard
>>> Livonia Mi
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: New Sam-haver with rack questions!

[Jon Craig]

"WTB" usually means "Want To Buy."  I don't necessarily want to buy one, I 
just want the info on what has worked for people, for future reference.  
Budget is totally depleted for now (2x Sams is a lot of money!)

On Friday, June 17, 2016 at 9:36:01 AM UTC-4, Howard Hatten wrote:
>
> Jon
> Congratulations on your new bikes. SAMs are really nice bikes. For your 
> rack needs just post a WTB to the list. This group is very friendly & they 
> know just what will work for your bike. I'm sure you'll find something in 
> no time. 
> Safe riding
>
> Howard
> Livonia Mi
>

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[RBW] New Sam-haver with rack questions!

[Jon Craig]

So, last Saturday I finally bought a Sam (55, blue, noodle)!  (BTW A1 
Cyclery in Indianapolis rocks!)  (And truth be told, I'm now a 2-Sam 
household as on Wednesday we went back and my wife got one too - 51, 
orange, noodle. :D )

Anyway - I had an old Trek rear rack so I black-nailpolished the Trek logos 
and put it on - it fits great!   

A front rack I do not have, and I'm wondering what ones fit well on Sam 
without a lot of bodging.  NIttos, yeah, they're gorgeous, but they're also 
bordering on blasphemously expensive so I'm looking for lower cost options.

Since someone will demand it, I've attached a pic of my Sam sitting in my 
office as I type this.

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