Re: [RBW] FS: Brand New Wool Knickers
Has anyone in RivWorld made knickers from a pair of wool trousers or a pattern? I just found some likely candidate pants for my knickers-conversion project and am looking for a pattern for the below-the-knee closure if anyone has one already. (I am planning to use velcro.) Thanks in advance for your help! Jon Spangler Alameda, CA USA On Tuesday, November 27, 2018 at 1:19:41 PM UTC-8, Eric Norris wrote: > > These have been sold! > > --Eric Norris > campyo...@me.com > @CampyOnlyguy (Twitter/Instagram) > > On Nov 27, 2018, at 11:42 AM, 'Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch < > rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com > wrote: > > I’ve owned these for a while, and it has finally become clear to me that > I’m not going to wear them. Classic knickers that I think I recall were > made for the Swiss army (there’s a tag on the inside that includes “NATO”). > As far as I can tell/remember, 100% wool. Button fly, Velcro around the > legs. Waistband measures 34”. Inseam is 29”. Lots of button-closing > pockets, and some button/strap things inside whose function I don’t know. > > I’ve never worn these, and as far as I can tell, neither has anybody else. > > I have two pair. How about $25 each shipped in the CONUS, or $45 for both? > Make me an offer—these need to get out and see the countryside! > > > > --Eric Norris > campyo...@me.com > @CampyOnlyguy (Twitter/Instagram) > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com . > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com > . > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Did you have a 2018 cycling goal? Did you achieve it?
Bill, Last year (mid-2017), I decided to up my Eroica California (EC) 2018 stakes and signed up for the the 89-mile Coastal Route (89 miles, 7000' of climbing) this April 15, after riding the EC 40-miler in 2016 and 2017. This April, I was only able to complete 62 miles and about 5000' of the Coastal Route before being swept off the road at 5:00 pm. I had ridden 731 miles training for it--in retrospect, clearly not enough training miles, not enough climbing work, and not enough dirt/gravel road work, either. (I started my serious training in August, 2017, for EC 2018.) My EC 2018 success-and-failure (successes = not injuring myself and having a great time riding significantly farther and harder than I had at EC 2017; failure = not completing the Coastal Route) spurred my 2018 goal--to try the EC Coastal Route again in 2019 but significantly increase my pre-event training. So far in 2018--since April 15, 2018--I have ridden 1137 miles on my Eroica bike, a 1970s Windsor Profesional with wide (28mm F, 32mm R) 700C clinchers. With four months to go, it is possible that I will double my pre-Eroica 2019 training miles over EC 2018. I am looking. forward to riding 1-2 centuries before EC 2019 on April 6, 2019. I am losing weight and losing belly inches--both a little bit at a time-- as I firm up and work myself into better shape, and am having more fun, especially since the ir cleared up last week and I can get back on my bike after a three-week layoff! Jon Spangler Alameda, CA 94501 On Monday, November 26, 2018 at 2:49:05 PM UTC-8, Bill Lindsay wrote: > > Steve Palincsar shared some info about himself that I think is awesome. > Unfortunately that great info was in a thread that was otherwise generally > icky. I'm breaking out the inspiring nugget out. Specifically, Steve said: > > "I and many, if not most, of the folks I ride with are well over 70" > "2018 was a bad year weather-wise, and my mileage is way off from last > year; instead of just missing 11,000 as was the case in 2017, I think I'm > going to finish 2018 with only 9,000. " > > Regardless of one's opinion about "Just Ride", septugenarian cyclists > putting down 10,000 mile years is freaking fantastic in my book. Steve is, > I think, very close to my father's age (if my father was still alive). I > hope to be laying down the big mileage of a Steve Palincsar when I'm in the > neighborhood of 75. 2018 is already my biggest mileage year ever. I've > got a puncher's chance at reaching 10,000km by year's end. I turn 50 in a > couple months, and I still work full-time and am still raising two > teenagers, so I'm anticipating major gains in the free-time department as > retirement approaches. My goal was to put down my first ever documented > 5000 mile year, and I've done that. I've got a little more than 1000 miles > to go to reach 10,000km. I also have wanted to do a half-million feet of > climbing in a calendar year. That won't happen for me in 2018, but I'm > about to hot 400,000 feet for the first time. > > What 2018 cycling goals did you set and achieve (or not-achieve)? What > goals will you place for 2019? > > Bill Lindsay > El Cerrito, CA > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Therapeutic effects of night riding and eating
Andy and all, Most of us (cyclists, pedestrians -- even drivers) seriously underestimate our visibility to others, no matter what time of day or year it is. Your mention of wearing "reflective vests" is worth adding some additional details. CLASS 2 SAFETY VESTS -- NOT RUNNER'S VESTS I use and recommend wearing an ANSI "Class 2" reflective vest at night, in traffic, or wherever visibility is compromised (rain, fog,sleet, etc.). Combining a neon lime or international orange vest made of mesh or polyester fabric with wide reflective stripes visible 360 degrees around (including vertically) works very well. (Avoid cotton, vinyl, or canvas-like fabrics to ensure you won't drown in your own sweat.) My latest vest cost me $16 at Economy Lumber in Oakland, CA just three months ago. Your local hardware store, Home Despot/Lowe's, or safety supply outlet, as well as U-Line, Grainger's, and other business supply houses will have what you need. Make sure there is room underneath for any extra layers needed in very cold weather. VISIBLE WORK GLOVES I wear Custom Leather Craft (CLC) *#128 "High Visibility" *gloves (orange with lime yellow and reflective accents, plus device-friendly fingertips for those so inclined) year-round on my town bike. In colder weather, I wear light liners or fingerless cycling gloves underneath my CLC 128s. (Washing them regularly renews their brightness, BTW.) SEE: https://cdn.goclc.com/pdf/2018/work-gear-catalog.pdf (scroll down to page 71) They are made of synthetic and breathable materials so they work well in heat or cold. CLC now has LIGHTED gloves, too: see p.74 of their catalog for their *# L 146 "Safety Viz Pro"* gloves, a great way to "light up the night." Wear a brightly-colored helmet and decorate it with liots of reflective neon stickers. Reflective legbands (available at many bike shops) are another year-round essential for adequate "conspicuity." Multiple flashing red lights (I lover my Planet Bike "Superflash" lights and my even-brighter rechargeable 50-65 lumen tail light. And don't forget one flashing white light and one steady white light up front and/or on your helmet. Safe travels to you all every night! Jon Spangler League Cycling Instructor #3175 Alameda, CA USA On Friday, October 12, 2018 at 2:45:48 PM UTC-7, ascpgh wrote: > > The season has set for the rides at the end of the day, my local group > rides are over and to keep riding are adjustments are necessary and have > been made. This week I have had the pleasure to get out twice with lights > and the dark season paradigm of my place in the urban landscape. > > Tuesday I met my usual cohort from the group rides and we headed out at > actual sunset. We added reflective vests to augment front and rear lights > to compensate for the new time darkness settles. We're both experienced > riders and the muggy weather in the 70°s kept us lathered on our climbs and > faster segments. Darkness demands a return to caution perhaps taken lightly > through the summer when you can see everything and all is familiar. > > There is restorative effect to the renew need for caution and mindfulness > that a couple of crusty old riders hadn't experienced in a while otherwise. > It makes the miles and sights new again. In this episode we concluded by > having a meal and prolonged conversation afterward. The moules frites, > brisket, crusty bread, ales and stouts rewarded the reflections of the ride > and all sorts of things from the past. My friend is going to carry my > interests to the Philly Bike Expo and we hashed over many topics of > interest to a couple of traditional bike technology aficionados. > > > <https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-4FjxkSjEfVo/W73BSpX0lYI/MVw/F2ErzGZFksgLsGXNOThe0IHg4DxM_j3jwCL4CGAYYCw/s1600/IMG_6328.jpg> > > <https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-3bgcfmAjA8o/W73BSmY_XKI/MVg/j_ijBaMqjk0XBr2zp3XlmEU20zKEE2D3gCL4CGAYYCw/s1600/IMG_6330.jpg> > > <https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-qMIZ1Q1OkTw/W73BSj4Q0JI/MVg/thZv8dkQmG4cN0gItOhm86R_6UMKtFZAgCL4CGAYYCw/s1600/IMG_6336.jpg> > > > Thursday night was going to be the arrival of fall by proclamation of the > TV meteorologists and our friend who expressed a real interest in riding at > night was in a pharmacology exam until almost sunset but texted that she > was absolutely game to ride, so I met her and began the evening with dinner > instead of finishing with it like Tuesday. > > > We had burritos from the truck in the nearby neighborhood rising from the > ashes around here. It was nice enough to eat at their picnic table in the > parking lot of the pizza joint sponsoring them. After finishing and getting > going I found myself in a very different mode with a ride
[RBW] Re: Recommend 700 x 28c tire, please.
I have ridden Panaracer Paselas now for about 16 years and love them. They have been affordable, durable, not at all flat-prone, and are responsive and comfortable enough for me to be happy with them on two AIDS/LifeCycle rides (2002, 2003--no flats in 545 miles either time) and at 45 MPH on descents. I usually run them at 90 PSI for normal Bay Area road rides in the East Bay Hills. My 1970s Windsor Pro has a 28mm front and a 32mm rear for the steep dirt and gravel sections. I have yet to ride them for long distances at 60-65 PSI but believe that is my next step down from 80-85 PSI for Eroica 2019. The other reason I prefer them to darker tires like the Continentals is that the tan sidewalls "look right" on a classic steel road bike... Jon Spangler Alameda, CA USA On Friday, September 28, 2018 at 6:07:07 PM UTC-7, John Casteen wrote: > > I second the view for Paselas. At 28mm and 65 pounds rear, 60 front, > they're really comfortable. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Anyone know about cycling Death Valley
Tim, Gorgeous country, some of my favorite ever. Probably dry as a bone most of the time and it could also be hot, so LOTS of water and hydration awareness is required. The weather in the desert can change in an instant and it is unforgiving territory. (Just because it is mild now does not mean you will have mild weather all during your trip.) ;-) You may also get snowed on and/or have below-freezing temps this time of year. And it does rain in Death Valley, too: if it does, make sure you are out of and away from washes, gullies, canyon bottoms, etc.. top avoid flash floods. It can also be windy as hell, so be prepared and ALWAYS guy out your tent. (Prepare for windy, cold, winter weather but be ready to strip and stay cool if it heats up. Check the weather forecasts and the long-range predictions as your departure date approaches: http://www.weather.gov/forecastmaps And call the park headquarters for the latest in weather forecast, expected conditions, and road conditions as you plan your trip. Oh, and be prepared to have USAF jets overhead almost every day... Enjoy! Jon Spangler Alameda, CA On Sunday, November 5, 2017 at 5:39:08 PM UTC-8, Tim wrote: > > I'll be taking the Hunqapillar, Roadeo and either the Hilsen or MAP out > there for some camping and cycling here in the next couple of weeks camping > and doing a lot of riding. Any advice? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Is tube patching a permanent, reliable fix?
lum gim fong, Yes, patching (when successfully accomplished) is permanent--as permanent as any inner tube can be. In addition to the other suggestions here that reinforce following the directions carefully, I suggest: 1) inflating the unmatched tube as much as possible before applying the patch to help reduce the amount of stretching that occurs after re-inflating: the patch will keep the tube from stretching evenly underneath the patch itself. 2) Rolling over the patch once it is applied to the tube- a) place the tube on a wide, flat, and hard surface, then b) use a frame or floor pump barrel like a rolling pin and roll across the patch in different directions. Rolling the patch like a pie crust helps cement the patch completely, IMHO. Not sure where I learned this step but it seems to help. If any patch has failed to work you will know very quickly that the attempt was unsuccessful. Just try it again. Jon Spangler Alameda, CA On Tuesday, October 3, 2017 at 2:43:42 PM UTC-7, Reed Kennedy wrote: > > I must have installed at least a hundred patches over the years. (I used > to run narrow high pressure tires, and used to get more flats.) > > I've had a handful of patches fail. These generally fall in to one of two > categories: > >- Put the puncture too close to the edge of the patch (to cover a big >cut, or to try and cover both holes in a snakebite puncture with one small >patch). >- Puncture right near the seam of the tube. (Sometimes it forms a >little channel for air to get out.) > > Even considering those, I have a patch failure rate of much below 5%. I > consider it a permanent, reliable fix. > > And what's the alternative? Throwing away a tube after every tiny > puncture? What a waste! > > > Best, > Reed > > On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 2:36 PM, lum gim fong <john1...@gmail.com > > wrote: > >> *What is your track record with patching?* >> >> Has it worked like a permanent, reliable fix for the tube? >> >> I hear differing opinions about this. >> >> I can save some $$ if patching is a permanent fix. >> >> >> Not interested in tubeless at all. Just wondering about question in >> subject title. Thanks. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com . >> To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com >> . >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Hitch rack recommendations?
John, The fix for mixtes (and kids bikes and bikes with extreme-sloping top tubes) is a top tube adapter bar. They run $25-$40 usually. I think mine are from Topeak, the maker of bike accessories, but Thule, Allen, Yakima, and others make these adjustable-length bars with hooks or clips on each end--usually to go around your bike's stem and seat post, creating a top tube. I use one all the time on my 1972 Peugeot mixte,which also has a Wald "Pizza Rack" on the front. Our 2007 Prius has a 1.25-inch receiver (expect these to scrape on low-riding cars like a Prius) and we use a Double Down Four hitch rack with it. The DD4 scrapes a lot when it is installed due to the flat tongue and long extension but I still recommend Yakima products. I found these videos in a quick search--no product or content endorsements offered or implied: https://youtu.be/B7qXbvllr_g https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcH9dk4Iot8 Jon Spangler Alameda, CA USA On Monday, August 14, 2017 at 10:03:07 PM UTC-7, Surlyprof wrote: > > I've been using a loaner where the bikes hang from the top tube. Would > not recommend it. Pain to load and I can't figure out how to load my > wife's mixte. If I was buying one, I'd get one with wheel trays. Also > want it to either tip or swing out of the way of the rear door. > I've been curious about the new Saris. Sounds good on their website (but > doesn't everything?). Here's the link: > https://www.saris.com/product/superclamp-ex-2?utm_campaign=superclamp_ex_medium=web_source=homepage > > John > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Phil BB advice/experience needed
Bob, I have been using Phil Wood BBs since 1975, when I was 23. I am now 65 and have sent several to Phil Wood to have spindle lengths changed out. (I am fairly certain the retail cost for this is higher than Patrick quoted but it includes new bearings.) I have yet to wear out a Phil Wood hub or BB and have yet to be disappointed in any Phil Wood gear I have purchased: they will last longer than I will! I would recommend sending your 130mm symmetrical BB back to Phil and having them install the offset 127.5 or 130, with preference going towards whatever Phil recommends. Jon Spangler Alameda, CA USA On Friday, April 14, 2017 at 6:17:13 PM UTC-7, Bob Lovejoy wrote: > > Since I trust people here more than most, I decided I would ask instead oh > assuming or hoping... > > I am installing a Sugino AT triple (50/38/26) on a Joe. I am using a > 130mm Phil Wood bottom bracket that I happened to have in the stash, > knowing that something even more exotic (127.5/+5?) is called out but > thinking 130 symmetric would be fine. I am a pragmatist, what can I say... > > That said, I have installed the BB and cranks and to make it all work the > drive side cup (Phil) is only half way in, so let's say 4 out of 9 actual > threads showing, 4.5-5 threads in the frame. The question is, is that > enough? Would you trust that? I think it is probably at the edge but also > ok - but I am looking for confirmation. If it is not so ok, I have other > options, though not as desirable. > > Any experience or knowledge of such things? > > All help appreciated... > > Bob Lovejoy > Galesburg, IL > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Squeaky tire?
Ted, Did you use talcum powder on the inner tube when you mounted the tire? It occurs to me that you might have tire-tube friction producing the "squeaking." (I have a similar problem with the custom orthotics "squeaking" inside my shoes: a liberal does of talc immediately silences the shoe squeak.) Jon Spangler Alameda, CA USA On Saturday, March 11, 2017 at 3:52:12 PM UTC-8, ted wrote: > > thanks for the advice folks. It does seem to be the front fender (p45 > longboard) contacting the tire. There are tell tale signs of rubbing, and > when I adjusted it further from the tire it reduced but did not eliminate > the noise. I have another bike with the same sort of fender and compass > 38mm tires that doesn't squeak but does have tell tale signs of rubbing > that I think date from before I changed that bike to the current tires. I > had changed the fender mounting hardware on that bike before going to the > compass tires. I'll probably redo the front fender on my SO in a similar > manner this weekend. Hopefully that will completely eliminate that very > annoying squeaking. > > Once again thanks to you all for the help, oh and Bill I think you > understated that probability by at lest a few hundredths of a percent. > > > On Wednesday, March 8, 2017 at 1:15:40 PM UTC-8, Garth wrote: >> >> >> Well, I have saddles that squeak like that so sure, anything with >> rubber/plastic why not. You could simply deflate the tire and check the >> seating and re-inflate and see if makes any difference. >> > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] A Visit to RBW Today
Friends, After I drove Linda to San Ramon for allergy shots this morning, she agreed that we could visit Rivendell Bicycle Works (RBW) in Walnut Creek, since we were "in the neighborhood." Here are some photos from our visit, which included my test ride of the very nice Waterford-built RBW Rodeo road bike (51 x 53.5 ctc ST and TT). (The Rodeo handles very nicely and climbs well, but its 53.5 cm TT, normal seat post setback, and short stem were woefully short horizontally for me, sad to say.) It was a great day to be on a great bike. RBW's production lugged-steel frames are built by three (3) suppliers: Mark Nobilette (who also builds RBW's made-to-measure frames costing $3500); Waterford, and a Taiwanese builder. https://flic.kr/s/aHskT1ScyP Linda took a shine to RBW's line of handmade canvas bags, too. ;-) At Vince's suggestion, we ate at the noodle place on North Main before motoring home this afternoon: very tasty! I shared these photos in a similar post to the Classic Rendezvous Google Group earlier today. Jon Spangler Alameda, CA USA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] PSA: Eroica California Is Coming April 8-9 in Paso Robles, CA
Fellow cyclists and lovers of steel, As many of you know, the third iteration of Eroica California, EC 2017, is coming on April 8-9 in Paso Robles, CA. Like all of the worldwide Eroica rides, Eroica California tries to replicate the feel and the effort required in the Grand Tours of the 1920s and 1930s, including routes that include roughly 30% unpaved (dirt and gravel) roads. There are four (4) routes of 38, 67, 85, and 120 miles. The two longer routes take riders to Cambria on the Pacific Coast. http://www.eroicacalifornia.com (PLEASE NOTE: recent heavy rains have washed out some roads so the routes shown on the website may be modified, depending on the ability of county road crews to make repairs in time.) Events on Saturday include a vintage bicycle concours, technical and history seminars, a large vintage bike and parts swap, a vintage-era movie, and a Tuscan dinner prepared by Tuscan chefs brought in by the Eroica Gaiole (Italy) organizers for this ride. Organizer Wesley N Hatakeyama and the local Hospice of San Luis Obispo County team are working hard to assure another wonderful event. Eroica rides are open to anyone who rides a bike from 1987 or earlier that utilizes (mostly) steel frame (vintage or "keeper of the flame" bikes like Rivendells, of course). All bikes must use "vintage" friction shifting (no SIS or 'brifters) and traditional caged pedals--with or without cleats and toe straps (no click-in pedals like Looks, SPDs, Speedplays, etc.). *Wool vintage jerseys and shorts are encouraged but not required. * For a complete listing of the rules and regulations, visit: https://www.eroicacalifornia.com/regulation <https://www.eroicacalifornia.com/regulation> If the website information leaves you with questions, please email them to i...@eroicacalifornia.com. We hope to see you in Paso Robles next month! Jon Spangler Alameda, CA EC 2017 volunteer and participant <https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-G--7YyF5CTk/WLo7m54Ve8I/DuQ/gzMR6uwrUKAIe63_CDFU6twL6Mb_GoDCgCLcB/s1600/2017%2BEroica%2BPoster%2BImage.jpg> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
