[RBW] Re: tubeless tire repair & maint Q

[Kellie]

•if using Stan's it's recommended you occasionally clean out rim and tire•I 
don't carry a tube around town, just extra sealant (2 oz.), but on a long 
ride or overnights I carry a tube too (and a repair kit) •I always carry 
tire plugs and a toolkit • sealant here (San Francisco) lasts about 6 
months, then I just add another 2 oz. by removing the valve core.

On Sunday, November 17, 2019 at 8:11:05 AM UTC-8, ted wrote:
>
> I would like some advice on tubeless tire "best practices" please.
> I've recently started riding with tubeless tires (wtb byways) after 
> decades of riding with tubes (and tubulars).
> Though I understand the tubeless setup should be immune to pinch flats, 
> goat heads, wire bits, staples, glass shards etc. worse things can happen. 
> So for now I'm still carrying two tubes, levers, etc. and a frame pump. But 
> I wonder, do most folks just trust in the sealant and leave the repair kit 
> at home? Is one tube plenty? Do folks carry tire plugs on rides? If folks 
> carry plugs do they carry extra sealant in case too much escapes through a 
> big whole prior to installing a plug?
> Also how about periodic sealant checking? How often is prudent? Does one 
> pull the valve core and use a wire as a dip stick to do this? How deep 
> should the sealant be? Should one do a first check fairly soon after 
> initial setup and then go to less frequent checks, or just always check 
> every ?? months?
> TIA
> ted
>

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[RBW] Re: Anyone used Gravelking 650b x 38 mm tubeless

[Kellie]

Ask James at Analog Cycles.


On Friday, November 8, 2019 at 5:20:48 PM UTC-8, ttoshi wrote:
>
> I'm thinking of using Gravelking 650b x 38mm tubeless with A23 rims.  Has 
> anyone used these Gravelkings?  I've never used tubeless before, so I'm 
> trying to solicit experience with the 38s. Most of the tubeless seem to use 
> fatter tires, presumably for lower pressure.  What pressure would you run 
> the 38s?
>
> Thanks,
> Toshi in Oakland
>
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[RBW] Re: All Rounder

[Kellie]

I have 2.35 RTP on my Waterford Atlantis, and fenders!

On Sunday, September 29, 2019 at 10:14:36 AM UTC-7, Jake P wrote:
>
> Craig, Joe,
>
> Confirm what sie tires yall are squeezing on these bikes? I can't seem to 
> fit anything larger than a 2.1
>
> Craig, those look like RTPs?? Suprised to see they fit!
>
>
> On Tuesday, September 24, 2019 at 1:50:23 AM UTC-5, Craig Montgomery wrote:
>>
>> They were considered semi-custom. Grant had me take a bunch of 
>> measurements before we decided on the proper sizing. For example I got a 
>> shortened top tube. You could also choose length of head tube extension.
>>
>> [image: 1 Last minute check and set up.JPG]
>>
>>
>> Craig in Tucson
>>
>> On Monday, September 23, 2019 at 11:32:36 PM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
>>> Here's the first shots of my new-to-me A/R sans front fender and rack, 
>>> and before I upright it with Boscos. It's a bummer I can't use those sweet 
>>> carbon Campy brifters, but alas my arthritic wrists won't put up with drops 
>>> anymore. 
>>>
>>> I'm curious about the sizing. The early Reader geometry chart doesn't 
>>> match it at all, this one has a 52cm ST, 55cm TT, which mimics the 52cm 
>>> Bstone XO-1. Based on the serial number (what I can see of it) I believe 
>>> this was built in 1997, did Waterford ever do custom A/Rs for Riv? 
>>>
>>> Joe Bernard
>>> Novato CA.  
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Recommendations on cycling to Rivendell and around San Francisco and the Bay Area

[Kellie]

Butterlap is a ride through and around SF that takes you to different area 
of SF (Embarcadero, Fisherman's warf, Presidio, Land's End, Golden Gate 
park). It's a loop with places to stop for food, coffee or bring your own. 
Just Google "BUTTERLAP," or search Strava, Ridegps, etc.

On Thursday, September 12, 2019 at 10:41:36 AM UTC-7, Ana Candela wrote:
>
> Hi everyone, 
>
> I’ll be attending a workshop in Santa Cruz, visiting Riv HQ, and 
> rambling/touring around the Bay Area the first ten days or so in October. 
> I’d like to ask for recommendations to locals and everyone who has done 
> this before. 
>
> There are a couple threads from which I’ve already jotted down some very 
> good ideas and suggestions (walking/transit for one day: 
> https://groups.google.com/forum/m/#!topic/rbw-owners-bunch/9HCur_vFbz4 
> and driving for a couple days: 
> https://groups.google.com/forum/m/#!topic/rbw-owners-bunch/tcDE9hIkvaA). 
>
> Now, I’ll be bringing my bike along, and I’ll be CYCLING for about a week, 
> so any bike-specific recommendations (must-do, steer-away-from) on cycling, 
> transit, multimodal traveling, eating, weather, camping, lodging, events 
> that will enhance my stay will be greatly appreciated :) 
>
> Thank you! 
> -Ana “in Seattle, currently on the train to Portland” Candela

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[RBW] Re: Recommendations on cycling to Rivendell and around San Francisco and the Bay Area

[Kellie]

A great ride that will take you to several areas of SF (Fisherman's warf, 
Golden Gate-Presdio, ocean, Golden Gate Park), it's a loop called 
Buttercup. Just Google it or search in Strava, Ridegps, etc. Lots of places 
to stop, have lunch or good coffee along the way.

On Thursday, September 12, 2019 at 10:41:36 AM UTC-7, Ana Candela wrote:
>
> Hi everyone, 
>
> I’ll be attending a workshop in Santa Cruz, visiting Riv HQ, and 
> rambling/touring around the Bay Area the first ten days or so in October. 
> I’d like to ask for recommendations to locals and everyone who has done 
> this before. 
>
> There are a couple threads from which I’ve already jotted down some very 
> good ideas and suggestions (walking/transit for one day: 
> https://groups.google.com/forum/m/#!topic/rbw-owners-bunch/9HCur_vFbz4 
> and driving for a couple days: 
> https://groups.google.com/forum/m/#!topic/rbw-owners-bunch/tcDE9hIkvaA). 
>
> Now, I’ll be bringing my bike along, and I’ll be CYCLING for about a week, 
> so any bike-specific recommendations (must-do, steer-away-from) on cycling, 
> transit, multimodal traveling, eating, weather, camping, lodging, events 
> that will enhance my stay will be greatly appreciated :) 
>
> Thank you! 
> -Ana “in Seattle, currently on the train to Portland” Candela

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Re: [RBW] Re: 26” tire advice

[Kellie Stapleton]

Hi Toshi: I’m using Velocity Cliffhangers which are tubeless compatible. I 
ordered a kit (sealant, tubeless valves and tape) from Stan’s No Tubes to 
complete the tubeless process. You’ll fill the tires with sealant, and then 
again about every 6 months. If you start to get a flat the sealant will seal 
it, unless it’s a gash on you sidewall. So, theoretically you never need a 
inner tube, but You ALWAYS carry one, in case. Some people prefer Orange 
sealant but I’ve had no problems with Stan’s. I got my first flat before I went 
tubeless on the Thunder Burts, on the street, then switched and never looked 
back. There’s good videos “on how,” on the Stan’s website; also WTB and 
probably all over YouTube.

> On Jul 17, 2019, at 11:48 AM, Toshi Takeuchi  wrote:
> 
> Hi Kellie, that's awesome.  What rims do you recommend for the 26" tubeless 
> with RTP tires?  If you commute with tubeless, then what do you carry as 
> backup for flats?  Sorry for the naive question, as I've never tried tubeless.
> 
> Thanks,
> Toshi
> 
> 
> On Wed, Jul 17, 2019 at 9:47 AM Kellie  <mailto:kellie.staple...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> Here's some photos: top just finished the build with Thunder Burts, below are 
> the RTP.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Wednesday, July 17, 2019 at 9:42:29 AM UTC-7, Kellie wrote:
> I 2nd the above. I've ridden Thunder Burts and the Rat Trap Pass tires on my 
> Atlantis. For mostly street and some dirt, RTP can't be beat. I run them 
> tubeless. I go with the Thunder Burts with more dirt; also tubeless.
> 
> On Monday, July 15, 2019 at 4:55:19 AM UTC-7, Christopher Cote wrote:
> I believe the 26" Atlantis was designed for Rat Traps Pass tires, 15 or so 
> years in advance. Get the RTPs. You won't regret it.
> Chris
> 
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[RBW] Re: 26” tire advice

[Kellie]

I 2*nd* the above. I've ridden Thunder Burts and the Rat Trap Pass tires on 
my Atlantis. For mostly street and some dirt, RTP can't be beat. I run them 
tubeless. I go with the Thunder Burts with more dirt; also tubeless.

On Monday, July 15, 2019 at 4:55:19 AM UTC-7, Christopher Cote wrote:
>
> I believe the 26" Atlantis was designed for Rat Traps Pass tires, 15 or so 
> years in advance. Get the RTPs. You won't regret it.
>
> Chris
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[RBW] Re: Rain Cape Recommendation

[Kellie]

These are beautiful and classy looking. I don't own one but I'd like to. 
Also perfect for winter weather dog walking and camping.

On Sunday, June 23, 2019 at 10:36:25 PM UTC-7, Matt wrote:
>
> I got a Cleverhood after years and years of wearing out a Carradice (the 
> fluorescent pro-route). I held off for a long time because the Cleverhood 
> is not cheap, but it's just so well made and they look really good. The 
> reflective thread they weave in gives off a huge glow under headlights but 
> is unnoticeable in the day. It's one of the very few cycling-specific bits 
> of apparel I have that I wear off the bike. If you have the budget, it 
> won't disappoint. Especially if you ride every day and through enough rain 
> that this is something you get a lot of use out of.
>
>
> On Sunday, June 23, 2019 at 7:35:35 PM UTC-7, Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY 
> wrote:
>>
>> That bonus should read cup and cone bottom bracket, not that that's all 
>> it could buy you... 
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, June 23, 2019 at 8:11:22 PM UTC-4, Dave Grossman wrote: 
>> > I am in the market for a rain cape for commuting.  I'd like to keep it 
>> well under $100 if possible, and I'm in the Midwest so you never really 
>> know what will be thrown at you.  Any recs are welcome.  I've been eyeing a 
>> Cleverhood that I like a lot.  I thought Campmor made an inexpensive one 
>> but I can't find it and want to make sure it is long in the front/short 
>> rear for cycling. 
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: SRAM quick link release, g-r-r-r-r-r

[Kellie]

I just used this method last week when installing  a new chain. Worked 
wonderfully!
https://youtu.be/z4aHi7jxY2I

On Tuesday, June 11, 2019 at 2:37:58 PM UTC-7, George Schick wrote:
>
> This afternoon I struggled to get a easy-link (or whatever SRAM calls it) 
> to "release" so I could clean the chain on one of my bikes.  Granted, this 
> chain has been in use for quite a few years before I got around to removing 
> and cleaning it, but sheesh you'd think it would still come apart 
> relatively easily.  Nope, I tried dosing it with TriFlow, then with Liquid 
> Wrench, and finally with good old reliable PB Blaster, but none of them 
> loosened it up enough to allow the easy link to be squeezed together to the 
> point where it would come apart.  I wound up resorting to the use of a 
> chain tool to forcefully get it apart.  Anyone have any recommendations of 
> either a solvent or a tool that will aid in the removal of these so-called 
> easy links?
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: daily post ur riv

[Kellie]

Hi Anthony, thanks. This is a 51, one of the last Waterford builds, 26" 
wheels.

On Wednesday, June 5, 2019 at 12:01:05 PM UTC-7, Anthony Childs wrote:
>
> I love your Atlantis! What size frame is that?
>
> Anthony Childs
>
> On Jun 4, 2019, at 8:25 AM, Kellie > 
> wrote:
>
> New iteration; Cowchipper bars, IRD levers with Shimano shifters and 
> turkey vulture gearing. Thanks Analog Cycles for all your help.
>
> 
>
>
> 
>
>
>
>
> On Friday, February 1, 2019 at 11:29:13 AM UTC-8, Adam Leibow wrote:
>>
>> hi all, i want to create a thread where you just post a picture of your 
>> rivendell(s) whenever you feel like it. hope this is OK w/ the mods. i love 
>> lookin at pics of em all day. i will start with my sam hillborne.
>>
>>
>> [image: IMG_3920.jpeg]
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Re: [RBW] Re: daily post ur riv

[Kellie]

Thanks so much Bruce.

On Tuesday, June 4, 2019 at 2:48:13 PM UTC-7, Fullylugged wrote:
>
> Kellie:
>
>  That bike shouts, "Ride Me!"  You have a very nice way with appointing 
> your bikes.
>
> Bruce
>
> On Tuesday, June 4, 2019, 10:26:02 AM CDT, Kellie  > wrote: 
>
>
> New iteration; Cowchipper bars, IRD levers with Shimano shifters and 
> turkey vulture gearing. Thanks Analog Cycles for all your help.
>
> [image: DSCF0926.jpg]
>
>
> [image: DSCF0928.jpg]
>
>
>
>
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>
> hi all, i want to create a thread where you just post a picture of your 
> rivendell(s) whenever you feel like it. hope this is OK w/ the mods. i love 
> lookin at pics of em all day. i will start with my sam hillborne.
>
>
> [image: IMG_3920.jpeg]
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[RBW] Re: Multimodal Traveling: Rolling your Riv onto a Bus

[Kellie]

Thanks Ana. Did you have to call ahead or make a reservation? Any extra 
fees?


On Saturday, June 8, 2019 at 12:51:26 AM UTC-7, Ana Candela wrote:
>
> Hey Patrick! (and anyone else interested in multimodal traveling) 
>
> From our discussion in the Rinko thread (
> https://groups.google.com/forum/m/#!searchin/rbw-owners-bunch/Rinko/rbw-owners-bunch/EkOTdya_1MI),
>  
> I thought of making a short video to demonstrate when I took the bus to 
> Portland last weekend. This is a full bike rolled onto the belly of the 
> bus, not rinkoed. 
>
> Enjoy! https://instagram.com/p/BycKoR8FKFz/ 
>
> -Ana “multimodal” Candela

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[RBW] Re: advice on 26x2.0 tires

[Kellie]

I've had Thunder Burts on my Atlantis which I really loved. Wanted to try 
the Rat Trap Pass, which I love even more, especially on streets. They're 
considered a gravel tire and I have used them off-road; great there too. 

On Monday, May 20, 2019 at 5:03:56 PM UTC-7, jandrews wrote:
>
> Greetings Bunch
>
> I'm looking for some new commuting / touring / gravelish tires for my 
> wife's Bruce Gordon BLT.
>
> She currently has the older Compass tires that had the pasela looking 
> tread.  They are 26x1.75
>
> [image: compass26x1-75.jpg]
>
>
> We've recently had the bike overhauled a little after about 10 years of 
> pretty hard use and the existing stainless steel fenders will allow some 
> slightly bigger rubber.
>
> She's starting to commute to work which is on a farm.  It's about a 6 mile 
> commute and there is about a mile and and a half of pretty large gravel.
>
> Any suggestions on a nice riding, somewhat supple, somewhat protective 
> tire (for Tubes) that would fit the bill.  something in 26x2.0 or 2.1 max 
> that is also not going to break the bank?
>
> She commutes and we do a couple of week long tours per year.  Ride plenty 
> of gravel and hard pack.  Not much mud.
>
> Thanks 
>
>
>
>
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[RBW] Re: WTB: Rivendell Banana Sax

[Kellie]

Did you change your mind?

On Monday, May 20, 2019 at 8:58:48 AM UTC-7, Wally Estrella wrote:
>
> If an olive banana sax is your color then I have one I'd let go.  I'll get 
> some pics of it tonight.
>
>
>
> On Monday, May 20, 2019 at 11:13:37 AM UTC-4, Kellie wrote:
>>
>> Anyone have a used they're done with?
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: WTB: Rivendell Banana Sax

[Kellie Stapleton]

Thx. Looking forward to seeing the photos

> On May 20, 2019, at 8:58 AM, Wally Estrella  wrote:
> 
> If an olive banana sax is your color then I have one I'd let go.  I'll get 
> some pics of it tonight.
> 
> 
> 
>> On Monday, May 20, 2019 at 11:13:37 AM UTC-4, Kellie wrote:
>> Anyone have a used they're done with?
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[RBW] WTB: Rivendell Banana Sax

[Kellie]

Anyone have a used they're done with?

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Re: [RBW] Re: 0mm offset Nitto Quill Stem

[Kellie Stapleton]

Will do.

> On May 6, 2019, at 1:56 PM, esoterica etc  wrote:
> 
> 
> Oooh Kellie, please post some pics when you get that cockpit set up. I’m 
> planning on doing something very similar to my Atlantis too. 
> 
> ~Mark 
> Raleigh, NC
> 
> 
>> On May 6, 2019, at 16:08, Kellie  wrote:
>> 
>> these are on the way to my house for my Atlantis, matched with Cowchipper 
>> bars.
>> 
>>> On Sunday, May 5, 2019 at 2:55:06 PM UTC-7, jandrews wrote:
>>> Curious if anyone has tried something like this on their threaded fork?
>>> 
>>> Nitto MTC-04, Short Nitto quill to threadless adapter 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> and a tall and short-extension threadless stem like the LD or something 
>>> similar 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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[RBW] Re: 0mm offset Nitto Quill Stem

[Kellie]

these are on the way to my house for my Atlantis, matched with Cowchipper 
bars.

On Sunday, May 5, 2019 at 2:55:06 PM UTC-7, jandrews wrote:
>
> Curious if anyone has tried something like this on their threaded fork?
>
> Nitto MTC-04, Short Nitto quill to threadless adapter 
>
> [image: nitto-mtc-04-stem-adapter-130mm-10.gif.jpeg]
> and a tall and short-extension threadless stem like the LD or something 
> similar 
>
> [image: raw-ld2-1024x683.jpg]
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: daily post ur riv

[Kellie]

Tried to order the 30º offset wright stem, but no longer in production. 
Will be using a LD stem from Crust. Hope I like it. Yours looks fantastic

On Thursday, March 28, 2019 at 9:21:12 AM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> https://www.analogcycles.com/2018/02/26/wright-stem-write-up/

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Re: [RBW] Re: daily post ur riv

[Kellie]

Joe, just about to switch up my Atlantis much like yours... had Choco 
bar for a couple of years. going to drop bars and the IRD levers. What are 
your tires?

On Wednesday, March 27, 2019 at 10:35:58 PM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> Oops, I posted in my own thread, but forgot to add here. 53cm MIT 
> Atlantis. 
>   
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/MztdA8d4ADNy1WcD9 
>
>
> On Wednesday, March 27, 2019 at 2:01:43 PM UTC-7, WETH wrote: 
> > I have enjoyed this thread and the many beautiful and varied Rivendells. 
> > Here is my 56cm Hunqapillar.  I have owned an Atlantis, Romulus, Riv 
> Road, and Cheviot, but the Hunq is my favorite and now my only! 
> > 
> > Erl 
> > Kensington, MD 
> > 
> > On Wednesday, March 27, 2019 at 2:52:57 PM UTC-4, Jon Dukeman,central 
> Colorado wrote: 
> > > That's a beautiful build. 
> > > It has some smooth curves. 
> > > Nice work 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > On Wed, Mar 27, 2019, 8:58 AM Brett Callahan  
> wrote: 
> > > 
> > > Hoping to jumpstart this thread, which I've thoroughly enjoyed, with a 
> photo of my Atlantis after a ride out to Boring, Oregon over the weekend.  
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
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[RBW] Re: daily post ur riv

[Kellie]

Latest iteration of my Waterford Atlantis, but just ordered a bunch of new 
stuff to really change things up; turkey vulture, drop bar, IRD ratchet 
levers. Cant' wait to see it?

[image: IMG_4489.jpeg]



On Friday, February 1, 2019 at 11:29:13 AM UTC-8, Adam Leibow wrote:
>
> hi all, i want to create a thread where you just post a picture of your 
> rivendell(s) whenever you feel like it. hope this is OK w/ the mods. i love 
> lookin at pics of em all day. i will start with my sam hillborne.
>
>
> [image: IMG_3920.jpeg]
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[RBW] FS: Wahoo Kickr Snap

[Kellie]

Smart trainer, BT, ANT+ (connects with Zwift and others). Also pairs with 
HR monitor and/or cadence pod. In *excellent* condition, includes mat and 
front wheel stabilizer. I love it but got a spinning bike for winter days 
inside, and just not using it enough. Will throw in a large monitor to 
mirror on for +$75 (but don't need it, can run Zwift on phone or laptop, 
just a BIGGER experience). $400

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[RBW] Re: Hip Pack Recommendations

[Kellie]

love my High Mountain

On Saturday, January 19, 2019 at 12:58:40 PM UTC-8, Dave Grossman wrote:
>
> I'm looking at getting a hip pack (aka Fanny Pack).  I've looked at a few 
> from North, Swift, and not much else.  I was wondering if anyone has any 
> recommendations for a reasonably priced durable pack.  I'd be using it for 
> riding but also when I am carrying one of my kids on my body so I can still 
> carry snacks and things for the rest of the crew.  
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[RBW] Re: Dirt Drop Bar alternative to Cowchipper with 26 clam

[Kellie]

Sim Works To Smile and Smile bars

On Saturday, October 6, 2018 at 8:16:05 PM UTC-7, Jonathan D. wrote:
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> Is anyone familiar with a good alternative to the Salsa Cowchipper Bar 
> with a 26 clamp?  I like the cowchipper bars a lot and would like a similar 
> bar to use with my nitto stems. 

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[RBW] Re: Widest tire for a Saluki

[Kellie]

A+ for Fatty Rumpkins.

On Monday, September 3, 2018 at 2:21:51 PM UTC-7, Justin, Oakland wrote:
>
> Hey folks- 
> Riding my Saluki today I guess I got TOO RAD and SLICED THE TREAD and TORE 
> THE SIDEWALL on my Soma Cazaderos. The rear is toast and I’m looking for 
> the widest non-Led Zeppelin tire I can fit. 
>
> I’m not above getting someone to dimple my stays so if there’s a tire that 
> came close but no cigar let me know. 
>
> No fenders. No masters. 
>
> -J

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Re: [RBW] Re: Extreme Commuting--a checklist ride complete

[Kellie]

YAY Sean!


On Friday, June 1, 2018 at 8:08:59 AM UTC-7, Sean Kline wrote:
>
> Bill, Kellie and all: I’ve loved this thread. 
>
> (Since I live near El Cerrito Plaza Bart and work near Civic Center BART, 
> I don’t have a good biking commute these days.) 
>
> Inspired, I decided to bike 2.5 hours from Daly City (BART) to Half Moon 
> Bay Thursday after work for a business meeting Friday morning. It was a 
> busy workweek, so I didn’t get organized to map the ride carefully—just 
> typed ‘to’ and ‘from’ into Google Maps and took off on my Sam. 
>
> I’ve had some truly bad routes using Google alone, but this time I was 
> gifted an amazingly beautiful ride through quiet neighborhoods of Daly City 
> before a climb up into the mountains in Pacifica over and down the other 
> side on a dirt trail and eventual quiet back streets to Half Moon Bay. 
> Though I love the view of the Pacific from Highway 1, it can be a hairy 
> ride, especially at rush hour and on weekends. On the ride yesterday, I 
> didn’t ride Highway 1 once. 
>
> Sean 
>
> (Sent from phone) 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Extreme Commuting--a checklist ride complete

[Kellie Stapleton]

Bill, glad u liked it!

> On May 31, 2018, at 12:06 PM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
> 
> I followed Kellie's lowland East Bay Route today.  There's a fair bit of 
> stopping and meandering, and the crosswinds off the bay were quite strong 
> today, but it was a very cool alternative to my normal hill route.  There's a 
> good stretch of gravel road where your are right next to the water of the bay 
> and a good mile removed from the nearest hosing development.  The mile gap is 
> filled with restored wetlands.  It's cool to be inside the San Francisco Bay 
> Metropolis, and yet be that isolated.  
> 
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
> 
> On Thursday, May 17, 2018 at 6:56:21 PM UTC-7, Kellie wrote:
>> 
>> Justin, here's the link: https://ridewithgps.com/routes/27535193 
>> Fruitvale BART to Coyote Springs. Both Union City and Fremont BART not far 
>> from Coyote Springs. Coyote Springs is fun in and of itself. Crandall Creek 
>> trail is the termination at Coyote Springs but if you go the other way, 
>> Alameda Creek trail, it goes all the way to Mission Blvd. Also, the bike 
>> path over the Dumbarton Bridge interfaces at Coyote Springs. Cut across to 
>> the South Bay via the Dumbarton Bridge. the choices are endless.
>> Yes Bill, much is SF Bay Trail.
>> 
>> 
>> 
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[RBW] Re: Coffee Making Question

[Kellie]

Here's some shots of our Coffee Outside group. Something sweet about 
brewing your own outside.


 







On Friday, May 25, 2018 at 7:02:26 AM UTC-7, Jonathan D. wrote:
>
> I notice a strong correlation to those who love Riv Bikes, for a love of 
> coffee. On instagram I see a lot of coffee brewing bike kits for when folks 
> are out on their bikes. I am curious to know what people use. If you have a 
> coffee bike kit, would you share what you take with you? 
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Atlantis tires rec request

[Kellie Stapleton]

Looks great Tim.

> On May 24, 2018, at 6:57 PM, Tim Butterfield  wrote:
> 
> Thanks all for the recommendations and comments.  Here is the result:
> 
> They are the RTP at 32/35 psi.  The ride is great.  And, the new Banana Sax 
> also, at least until I put on the rack.
> 
> Tim
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[RBW] Re: Extreme Commuting--a checklist ride complete

[Kellie]

The Eastbay Skyline Trail is 
here: 
http://gurmeet.net/hiking/hikes/East_Bay_Skyline_National_Recreation_Trail.html
Gives a lot of info about the trail divided into 4 sections from Wildcat 
Canyon Park in Richmond to Cabot Lake. All DIRT. I haven't ridden all of 
it, but if someone does please give a report. Gives trailheads and places 
to park, water, photos, etc.

On Wednesday, April 25, 2018 at 1:01:11 PM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>
> Back at the very beginning of my Rivendell career, in 2009, I was pretty 
> much strictly a roadie.  My Hillborne and the idea of "country bike" opened 
> up my world in many ways.  One of those ways was the idea of enjoying 
> taking the long way from A-to-B.  Over that first year or so I hatched an 
> idea for my 40-mile commute from El Cerrito to Union City.  Rather than 
> treat it as a hilly road ride with a couple dirt trail detours, I 
> contemplated doing it as a 25 mile mountain bike ride with a few road 
> connectors.  I had most of the route in my head, but there were still 
> several trails that I needed to add but had never ridden.  Now that I have 
> a cool GPS unit, I was able to build my route on RideWithGPS and upload it 
> to my device so I wouldn't get lost and wouldn't have to resort to the map 
> 50 times.  
>
> Anyhow, here's my route, discreetly edited to begin at a starting point 
> close-by but not-too-close to my front door.  RideWithGPS Extreme 
> Commuting 
>
> I did the ride for the first time this morning, which felt like a cool 
> accomplishment, since I'd been thinking about it for several years.  It was 
> ~42 miles and about 4700 feet of climbing, and it was pretty freaking 
> hard.  There were several pitches that my GPS assessed as >20% grade.  
> There were rocky, bumpy, rooty sections that made my BMC Monstercross feel 
> like serious underbiking.  The undeniable highlight is that these mountain 
> bike trails are by definition car-free, and that was delightful.  I might 
> decide to do the SFRandonneurs Marin Mountains 200k as a solo Permanent in 
> May, and this Extreme Commute route is a great training ride for that.  
>
>
> 
>
> This was one of the 20% grades, which is hard to see in the photo.  My 
> four finger salute was to celebrate passing 4,000 ft of climbing at this 
> point.
>
>
> 
>
>
>
>
> So, make a plan, set a goal, see it through and celebrate
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito CA
>
> P.S. One of the reasons I was able to pedal up 20% grades was I just 
> installed my turkey vulture shifter kit from Analog Cycles, which allowed 
> me to run a Deore XT clutch rear derailer with Shimano 10sp indexed barcons 
> (on Thumbies).  I was glad to have a 26x36 low gear.  
>
>
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[RBW] Re: Extreme Commuting--a checklist ride complete

[Kellie]

Hey John: where's "the road that skirts along the base of the hills that 
surrounds the East Bay from San Jose up?"

On Monday, May 14, 2018 at 11:24:34 AM UTC-7, Surlyprof wrote:
>
> Bill's post on extreme commuting prompted me to take the path less 
> ventured home last week.  If I ride home instead of taking the train, I 
> usually ride out of San Jose through not the most picturesque neighborhoods 
> but eventually, it connects to the road that skirts along the base of the 
> hills that surrounds the East Bay from San Jose up.  This is a beautiful 
> route along horse ranches and meadows but I've always wondered what it 
> would be like to ride the bike path up to Alviso and the bay and then cut 
> over to the Fremont area.  I would love to report that it was a delightful 
> experience full of nicely cared for trails, beautiful vistas and gorgeous 
> views of the bay but... I cannot.  My extreme commuting turned into 
> "extremely awful commuting".  Riding from San Jose north on the Guadalupe 
> River Trail you get to see firsthand the massive number of homeless people 
> who have been priced out of the bay area.  Campsites and abandoned shopping 
> carts everywhere.  People were washing their clothes in the river!  It gave 
> the bay area a real third world feel.  The trail came out of the woods and 
> along the San Jose airport and then on to the back sides of a large number 
> of generically repetitive buildings housing various tech companies.  
> Nothing to see there.  It also opened up to full exposure to the winds 
> coming down off the bay.  This was the start of 14-15 miles of steady 
> headwinds. The ride also featured trails that ran alongside the 237 freeway 
> (more shopping carts) and miles of bike lane-ish stretches along 5 lanes of 
> Fremont Road heading into Fremont.  With few stop lights in that area, cars 
> were whizzing by at 60-70 mph.  
>
> Eventually, I made it home to a delightful greeting by our joyful dogs.  
> I'm happy to report that my trusty Hillborne hauled me and my office the 
> entire 19-20 miles without a hitch or a flat (lots of glass on this 
> route).  I now know what the path less taken is like and won't be rushing 
> back.  And, I got to see this totally tubular Hunquapillar in the wild:  
> https://photos.google.com/search/_tra_/photo/AF1QipPSbtDW_64rz3xB6kxN2yJgZnHHdAOYHvt13hyi
>
> Valuable lessons learned and a great workout was had.  Check!
>
> John
>
> On Wednesday, April 25, 2018 at 1:01:11 PM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>
>> Back at the very beginning of my Rivendell career, in 2009, I was pretty 
>> much strictly a roadie.  My Hillborne and the idea of "country bike" opened 
>> up my world in many ways.  One of those ways was the idea of enjoying 
>> taking the long way from A-to-B.  Over that first year or so I hatched an 
>> idea for my 40-mile commute from El Cerrito to Union City.  Rather than 
>> treat it as a hilly road ride with a couple dirt trail detours, I 
>> contemplated doing it as a 25 mile mountain bike ride with a few road 
>> connectors.  I had most of the route in my head, but there were still 
>> several trails that I needed to add but had never ridden.  Now that I have 
>> a cool GPS unit, I was able to build my route on RideWithGPS and upload it 
>> to my device so I wouldn't get lost and wouldn't have to resort to the map 
>> 50 times.  
>>
>> Anyhow, here's my route, discreetly edited to begin at a starting point 
>> close-by but not-too-close to my front door.  RideWithGPS Extreme 
>> Commuting 
>>
>> I did the ride for the first time this morning, which felt like a cool 
>> accomplishment, since I'd been thinking about it for several years.  It was 
>> ~42 miles and about 4700 feet of climbing, and it was pretty freaking 
>> hard.  There were several pitches that my GPS assessed as >20% grade.  
>> There were rocky, bumpy, rooty sections that made my BMC Monstercross feel 
>> like serious underbiking.  The undeniable highlight is that these mountain 
>> bike trails are by definition car-free, and that was delightful.  I might 
>> decide to do the SFRandonneurs Marin Mountains 200k as a solo Permanent in 
>> May, and this Extreme Commute route is a great training ride for that.  
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>> This was one of the 20% grades, which is hard to see in the photo.  My 
>> four finger salute was to celebrate passing 4,000 ft of climbing at this 
>> point.
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> So, make a plan, set a goal, see it through and celebrate
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito CA
>>
>> P.S. One of the reasons I was able to pedal up 20% grades was I just 
>> installed my turkey vulture shifter kit from Analog Cycles, which allowed 
>> me to 

Re: [RBW] Re: Extreme Commuting--a checklist ride complete

[Kellie Stapleton]

Hi John: I thought of you when I heard about your experience down the 
Guadalupe. I used to ride that a lot when I lived on the peninsula. I feel sad 
to hear about the area for a lot of reasons. Let me know how you like it.

> On May 18, 2018, at 9:02 PM, Surlyprof <jmcclu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> This is fantastic!  Thanks, Kellie.  I live in Niles and have been looking 
> for a good route up the bay.  This looks perfect.
> 
> John
> 
> On Thursday, May 17, 2018 at 6:56:21 PM UTC-7, Kellie wrote:
> Justin, here's the link: https://ridewithgps.com/routes/27535193 
> <https://ridewithgps.com/routes/27535193> 
> Fruitvale BART to Coyote Springs. Both Union City and Fremont BART not far 
> from Coyote Springs. Coyote Springs is fun in and of itself. Crandall Creek 
> trail is the termination at Coyote Springs but if you go the other way, 
> Alameda Creek trail, it goes all the way to Mission Blvd. Also, the bike path 
> over the Dumbarton Bridge interfaces at Coyote Springs. Cut across to the 
> South Bay via the Dumbarton Bridge. the choices are endless.
> Yes Bill, much is SF Bay Trail.
> 
> 
> On Wednesday, April 25, 2018 at 1:01:11 PM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:
> 
> 
> Back at the very beginning of my Rivendell career, in 2009, I was pretty much 
> strictly a roadie.  My Hillborne and the idea of "country bike" opened up my 
> world in many ways.  One of those ways was the idea of enjoying taking the 
> long way from A-to-B.  Over that first year or so I hatched an idea for my 
> 40-mile commute from El Cerrito to Union City.  Rather than treat it as a 
> hilly road ride with a couple dirt trail detours, I contemplated doing it as 
> a 25 mile mountain bike ride with a few road connectors.  I had most of the 
> route in my head, but there were still several trails that I needed to add 
> but had never ridden.  Now that I have a cool GPS unit, I was able to build 
> my route on RideWithGPS and upload it to my device so I wouldn't get lost and 
> wouldn't have to resort to the map 50 times.  
> 
> Anyhow, here's my route, discreetly edited to begin at a starting point 
> close-by but not-too-close to my front door.  RideWithGPS Extreme Commuting 
> <https://ridewithgps.com/routes/27311348>
> 
> I did the ride for the first time this morning, which felt like a cool 
> accomplishment, since I'd been thinking about it for several years.  It was 
> ~42 miles and about 4700 feet of climbing, and it was pretty freaking hard.  
> There were several pitches that my GPS assessed as >20% grade.  There were 
> rocky, bumpy, rooty sections that made my BMC Monstercross feel like serious 
> underbiking.  The undeniable highlight is that these mountain bike trails are 
> by definition car-free, and that was delightful.  I might decide to do the 
> SFRandonneurs Marin Mountains 200k as a solo Permanent in May, and this 
> Extreme Commute route is a great training ride for that.  
> 
>  
> <https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-Jz22LXTcZRA/WuDdwqa6e-I/D3I/hsosxTr348girSLFWsr8SJlXK398kDFuQCLcBGAs/s1600/IMG_0397.jpg>
> This was one of the 20% grades, which is hard to see in the photo.  My four 
> finger salute was to celebrate passing 4,000 ft of climbing at this point.
> 
>  
> <https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-3_z9GQ8-mHQ/WuDd4PWZ5PI/D3M/j6q2GXFzkNY9uvKReXBoLZRQuTjEJdniQCLcBGAs/s1600/IMG_0395.jpg>
> 
> 
> 
> So, make a plan, set a goal, see it through and celebrate
> 
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito CA
> 
> P.S. One of the reasons I was able to pedal up 20% grades was I just 
> installed my turkey vulture shifter kit from Analog Cycles, which allowed me 
> to run a Deore XT clutch rear derailer with Shimano 10sp indexed barcons (on 
> Thumbies).  I was glad to have a 26x36 low gear.  
> 
> 
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[RBW] Re: Extreme Commuting--a checklist ride complete

[Kellie]

Justin, here's the link: https://ridewithgps.com/routes/27535193 
Fruitvale BART to Coyote Springs. Both Union City and Fremont BART not far 
from Coyote Springs. Coyote Springs is fun in and of itself. Crandall Creek 
trail is the termination at Coyote Springs but if you go the other way, 
Alameda Creek trail, it goes all the way to Mission Blvd. Also, the bike 
path over the Dumbarton Bridge interfaces at Coyote Springs. Cut across to 
the South Bay via the Dumbarton Bridge. the choices are endless.
Yes Bill, much is SF Bay Trail.


On Wednesday, April 25, 2018 at 1:01:11 PM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>
> Back at the very beginning of my Rivendell career, in 2009, I was pretty 
> much strictly a roadie.  My Hillborne and the idea of "country bike" opened 
> up my world in many ways.  One of those ways was the idea of enjoying 
> taking the long way from A-to-B.  Over that first year or so I hatched an 
> idea for my 40-mile commute from El Cerrito to Union City.  Rather than 
> treat it as a hilly road ride with a couple dirt trail detours, I 
> contemplated doing it as a 25 mile mountain bike ride with a few road 
> connectors.  I had most of the route in my head, but there were still 
> several trails that I needed to add but had never ridden.  Now that I have 
> a cool GPS unit, I was able to build my route on RideWithGPS and upload it 
> to my device so I wouldn't get lost and wouldn't have to resort to the map 
> 50 times.  
>
> Anyhow, here's my route, discreetly edited to begin at a starting point 
> close-by but not-too-close to my front door.  RideWithGPS Extreme 
> Commuting 
>
> I did the ride for the first time this morning, which felt like a cool 
> accomplishment, since I'd been thinking about it for several years.  It was 
> ~42 miles and about 4700 feet of climbing, and it was pretty freaking 
> hard.  There were several pitches that my GPS assessed as >20% grade.  
> There were rocky, bumpy, rooty sections that made my BMC Monstercross feel 
> like serious underbiking.  The undeniable highlight is that these mountain 
> bike trails are by definition car-free, and that was delightful.  I might 
> decide to do the SFRandonneurs Marin Mountains 200k as a solo Permanent in 
> May, and this Extreme Commute route is a great training ride for that.  
>
>
> 
>
> This was one of the 20% grades, which is hard to see in the photo.  My 
> four finger salute was to celebrate passing 4,000 ft of climbing at this 
> point.
>
>
> 
>
>
>
>
> So, make a plan, set a goal, see it through and celebrate
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito CA
>
> P.S. One of the reasons I was able to pedal up 20% grades was I just 
> installed my turkey vulture shifter kit from Analog Cycles, which allowed 
> me to run a Deore XT clutch rear derailer with Shimano 10sp indexed barcons 
> (on Thumbies).  I was glad to have a 26x36 low gear.  
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Extreme Commuting--a checklist ride complete

[Kellie Stapleton]

Will post after the meeting I’m in…

> On May 17, 2018, at 9:44 AM, Bill Lindsay <tapebu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I think that's essentially the Bay Trail.  I really like climbing, but I have 
> done the Bay Trail route a few times.  Not in the last 5 years, though
> 
> Bill
> 
>> On Thursday, May 17, 2018 at 9:12:20 AM UTC-7, Justin, Oakland wrote:
>> Kellie- 
>> What’s the route? Inquiring minds in a East Oakland want to know! Do you 
>> have a GPS or google map? 
>> 
>> -J
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[RBW] Re: Extreme Commuting--a checklist ride complete

[Kellie]

Bill: from your start ride to Union City Blvd. and cut in at Eden shores. 
>From there a NO CAR route, some of it gravel, all the way to High St. in 
Oakland. Depending on how many miles you want there's bailout Bart stations 
all the way to Richmond. The trail I'm suggesting skirts the Bay with 
beautiful wetlands to ride through. That'll be about 25 miles (maybe more) 
one way to Fruitvale Station.

On Wednesday, April 25, 2018 at 1:01:11 PM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>
> Back at the very beginning of my Rivendell career, in 2009, I was pretty 
> much strictly a roadie.  My Hillborne and the idea of "country bike" opened 
> up my world in many ways.  One of those ways was the idea of enjoying 
> taking the long way from A-to-B.  Over that first year or so I hatched an 
> idea for my 40-mile commute from El Cerrito to Union City.  Rather than 
> treat it as a hilly road ride with a couple dirt trail detours, I 
> contemplated doing it as a 25 mile mountain bike ride with a few road 
> connectors.  I had most of the route in my head, but there were still 
> several trails that I needed to add but had never ridden.  Now that I have 
> a cool GPS unit, I was able to build my route on RideWithGPS and upload it 
> to my device so I wouldn't get lost and wouldn't have to resort to the map 
> 50 times.  
>
> Anyhow, here's my route, discreetly edited to begin at a starting point 
> close-by but not-too-close to my front door.  RideWithGPS Extreme 
> Commuting 
>
> I did the ride for the first time this morning, which felt like a cool 
> accomplishment, since I'd been thinking about it for several years.  It was 
> ~42 miles and about 4700 feet of climbing, and it was pretty freaking 
> hard.  There were several pitches that my GPS assessed as >20% grade.  
> There were rocky, bumpy, rooty sections that made my BMC Monstercross feel 
> like serious underbiking.  The undeniable highlight is that these mountain 
> bike trails are by definition car-free, and that was delightful.  I might 
> decide to do the SFRandonneurs Marin Mountains 200k as a solo Permanent in 
> May, and this Extreme Commute route is a great training ride for that.  
>
>
> 
>
> This was one of the 20% grades, which is hard to see in the photo.  My 
> four finger salute was to celebrate passing 4,000 ft of climbing at this 
> point.
>
>
> 
>
>
>
>
> So, make a plan, set a goal, see it through and celebrate
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito CA
>
> P.S. One of the reasons I was able to pedal up 20% grades was I just 
> installed my turkey vulture shifter kit from Analog Cycles, which allowed 
> me to run a Deore XT clutch rear derailer with Shimano 10sp indexed barcons 
> (on Thumbies).  I was glad to have a 26x36 low gear.  
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Atlantis tires rec request

[Kellie Stapleton]

Hi Ed:
Atlantis, 51cm-v.2016
Andrew Ti Manything cage (straps come with it)
64 oz. KleanKanteen

> On May 14, 2018, at 6:33 PM, Ed Fausto <emfau...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Kellie,
> What size is your 26" Atlantis?
> Slightly off topic, what bottle holder you used with the orange straps and 
> curious too with the stainless bottle brand/model?
> Thanks,

> Ed Fausto
> 
> On Mon, May 7, 2018 at 4:10 AM, Kellie <kellie.staple...@gmail.com 
> <mailto:kellie.staple...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> Here's Rat Trap Pass on an Atlantis with fenders; 26" wheels.
>  
> <https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-Sn8Wa17faA0/Wu9hKJZn9iI/A6E/-0zbkhVmZJAio07Sp6EyoTi6yA0RtEeYACLcBGAs/s1600/IMG_4489.jpg>
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  
> <https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-Sn8Wa17faA0/Wu9hKJZn9iI/A6E/-0zbkhVmZJAio07Sp6EyoTi6yA0RtEeYACLcBGAs/s1600/IMG_4489.jpg>
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Wednesday, May 2, 2018 at 9:56:30 PM UTC-7, Tim Butterfield wrote:
> I have been spoiled by the Barlow Pass EL on my 700c Homer and want to have 
> the same plush ride on my 26" Atlantis.  I doubt the Rat Trap Pass would fit 
> at 2.3", but could probably fit the 1.8" Naches Pass and definitely the 1.5" 
> McClure Pass.
> 
> Currently, I'm leaning towards the Naches Pass EL in black.  It doesn't 
> currently have fenders and current usage doesn't require them.  I'd probably 
> need to drop to the McClure to add fenders.  My current usage of the Atlantis 
> is as a grab and go around town bike, which doesn't require rainy rides.
> 
> What would your recommendations be for this tire?
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Tim
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Re: [RBW] Re: Atlantis tires rec request

[Kellie]

I run tubeless even lower: 28psi front/30 rear

On Sunday, May 13, 2018 at 9:17:32 PM UTC-7, Rod Holland wrote:
>
> With RTPs, 40+PSI will get you to the Bouncy House. I run mine at 30/35PSI 
> (235lb rider). 
>
> rod
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Re: [RBW] Re: Atlantis tires rec request

[Kellie Stapleton]

For the street I run RTP 28psi front and 30 rear

> On May 7, 2018, at 12:20 PM, Tim Butterfield  wrote:
> 
> Thanks all for confirming RTP width is non issue for these rims.  I don’t 
> normally run a really low pressure, usually 40+, but now have a first item to 
> check if handling gets squirrelly.
> 
> Tim
> 
>> On Mon, May 7, 2018 at 5:54 AM Tim Gavin  
>> wrote:
>> Tim- 
>> 
>> St. Sheldon's dogma is pretty conservative in the regard of "proper tire 
>> width for a given rim width".  
>> http://www.sheldonbrown.com/tire-sizing.html
>> (Width Considerations chart is the red/green one most of the way down the 
>> page)
>> 
>> However, many folks have ridden many millions of miles on 2" (54 mm) tires 
>> on 17 mm internal rims -- because that was pretty much all there were at the 
>> dawn of MTB/ATB/Trekking bikes.
>> 
>> The risk with a too-wide tire is the same as that of an under-inflated tire: 
>> risk of the tire folding over when turning aggressively.  
>> Keep your PSI above ~25 and you shouldn't have that problem with RTPs on an 
>> Atlas rim.
>> 
>>> On Sun, May 6, 2018 at 11:58 PM, Tim Butterfield  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I just looked it up.  I think this is the right ones.
>>> http://www.velocityusa.com/product/rims/atlas-559
>>> 
>>> If so, inside width is 19.8mm with max optimal tire width of 45mm, quite a 
>>> bit narrower than the RTP.  Hmmm.  Will the extra width of the RTP be an 
>>> issue with these rims?
>>> 
>>> Thanks.
>>> 
>>> Tim
>>> 
 On Sun, May 6, 2018 at 8:55 PM Tim Butterfield  
 wrote:
 I know the rims are Atlas, but don’t know the width or have a caliper to 
 measure.   With the multiple confirmations, I will be getting the RTP EL 
 tires instead of the other two I had mentioned.
 
 Thanks.
 
 Tim
 
> On Sun, May 6, 2018 at 2:19 PM Rod Holland  wrote:
> Tim,
> 
> I've been using RTP Extralights on my Surly Trucker DeLuxe (a 26"-wheeled 
> LHT, for all intents and purposes). I find they measure out at 53mm 
> (2.08") on Sun Rhyno Lite rims. What is the inner size of the rims you'll 
> be wanting to mount your tires on? The Rhyno Lites have an interior 
> measure of 22mm. The RTPs fit under Planet Bike Cascadia ATB fenders. You 
> really might want to give them at try, if they're what you're really 
> looking for. Of the two other tires you mentioned, I'd got with the 
> Naches Pass EL over the McClure. The McClure is the last of the 
> "Compassela" tires, good as far as they go, but just not as supple as any 
> of the EL variants. 
> 
> rod 
> 
> 
>> On Thursday, May 3, 2018 at 12:56:30 AM UTC-4, Tim Butterfield wrote:
>> I have been spoiled by the Barlow Pass EL on my 700c Homer and want to 
>> have the same plush ride on my 26" Atlantis.  I doubt the Rat Trap Pass 
>> would fit at 2.3", but could probably fit the 1.8" Naches Pass and 
>> definitely the 1.5" McClure Pass.
>> 
>> Currently, I'm leaning towards the Naches Pass EL in black.  It doesn't 
>> currently have fenders and current usage doesn't require them.  I'd 
>> probably need to drop to the McClure to add fenders.  My current usage 
>> of the Atlantis is as a grab and go around town bike, which doesn't 
>> require rainy rides.
>> 
>> What would your recommendations be for this tire?
>> 
>> Thanks.
>> 
>> Tim
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Re: [RBW] Re: Atlantis tires rec request

[Kellie Stapleton]

Jan O-yes

> On May 6, 2018, at 2:48 PM, Frank Brose  wrote:
> 
> Tim,
> I have Rat Trap Pass and fenders on my Toyo built Atlantis with plenty of 
> clearance. 
> Frank
> Tomahawk, Wisconsin
> 
>> On Wednesday, May 2, 2018 at 11:56:30 PM UTC-5, Tim Butterfield wrote:
>> I have been spoiled by the Barlow Pass EL on my 700c Homer and want to have 
>> the same plush ride on my 26" Atlantis.  I doubt the Rat Trap Pass would fit 
>> at 2.3", but could probably fit the 1.8" Naches Pass and definitely the 1.5" 
>> McClure Pass.
>> 
>> Currently, I'm leaning towards the Naches Pass EL in black.  It doesn't 
>> currently have fenders and current usage doesn't require them.  I'd probably 
>> need to drop to the McClure to add fenders.  My current usage of the 
>> Atlantis is as a grab and go around town bike, which doesn't require rainy 
>> rides.
>> 
>> What would your recommendations be for this tire?
>> 
>> Thanks.
>> 
>> Tim
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Re: [RBW] Re: Atlantis tires rec request

[Kellie]

. and here with ThunderBurts which I love too, but if I'm more 
offload.


<https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-ZrI6Rz6LpoA/Wu9p9vCZTrI/A6w/jU4nWyObaMAk8VQ_pOSJmvK4nABEd1V9wCLcBGAs/s1600/Screen%2BShot%2B2017-11-28%2Bat%2B6.01.28%2BPM.png>

On Sunday, May 6, 2018 at 1:42:21 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> *And* room for fenders. Lovely.
>
> I've thought more than once of resurrecting an old Diamond Back just to 
> have a bike with Rat Trap Pass tires, but reason tells me that I don't ride 
> enough to justify that particular sort of addition. 
>
> On Sun, May 6, 2018 at 2:10 PM, Kellie <kellie.s...@gmail.com 
> > wrote:
>
>> Here's Rat Trap Pass on an Atlantis with fenders; 26" wheels.
>>
>>
>> <https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-Sn8Wa17faA0/Wu9hKJZn9iI/A6E/-0zbkhVmZJAio07Sp6EyoTi6yA0RtEeYACLcBGAs/s1600/IMG_4489.jpg>
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Atlantis tires rec request

[Kellie]

I LOVE these tires. I forgot to mention I set them up as tubeless too!

On Sunday, May 6, 2018 at 1:42:21 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> *And* room for fenders. Lovely.
>
> I've thought more than once of resurrecting an old Diamond Back just to 
> have a bike with Rat Trap Pass tires, but reason tells me that I don't ride 
> enough to justify that particular sort of addition. 
>
> On Sun, May 6, 2018 at 2:10 PM, Kellie <kellie.s...@gmail.com 
> > wrote:
>
>> Here's Rat Trap Pass on an Atlantis with fenders; 26" wheels.
>>
>>
>> <https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-Sn8Wa17faA0/Wu9hKJZn9iI/A6E/-0zbkhVmZJAio07Sp6EyoTi6yA0RtEeYACLcBGAs/s1600/IMG_4489.jpg>
>>
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[RBW] Re: Atlantis tires rec request

[Kellie]

Here's Rat Trap Pass on an Atlantis with fenders; 26" wheels.













On Wednesday, May 2, 2018 at 9:56:30 PM UTC-7, Tim Butterfield wrote:
>
> I have been spoiled by the Barlow Pass EL on my 700c Homer and want to 
> have the same plush ride on my 26" Atlantis.  I doubt the Rat Trap Pass 
> would fit at 2.3", but could probably fit the 1.8" Naches Pass and 
> definitely the 1.5" McClure Pass.
>
> Currently, I'm leaning towards the Naches Pass EL in black.  It doesn't 
> currently have fenders and current usage doesn't require them.  I'd 
> probably need to drop to the McClure to add fenders.  My current usage of 
> the Atlantis is as a grab and go around town bike, which doesn't require 
> rainy rides.
>
> What would your recommendations be for this tire?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Tim
>

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[RBW] Re: Pics of 61 Roadini in Blue

[Kellie]

take a look at my post "ROADINi" there's some photos there.

On Thursday, April 12, 2018 at 5:02:00 PM UTC-7, tc wrote:
>
> Does anyone have pic's of a 61 Roadini in blue they could share?
>
> Tom
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[RBW] ROADINI

[Kellie]

Thinking of buying a Roadini. Would like to see how people built them up; 
and if you have time to list components, great. Anyone buy a 47cm they're 
ready to part with?

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[RBW] Re: New Roadini; Bag... Sackville or Swift Industries

[Kellie]

Riv Banana Bag?

On Wednesday, March 21, 2018 at 3:40:48 PM UTC-7, lambbo wrote:
>
> Hi folks, I've been struggling with an *very* important question: how to 
> carry things on my new (much loved) Roadini.  The bike is set up with 
> clip-in pedals and I'd like a way to bring some walking shoes and a snack 
> plus a few small tools etc. with me on long rides. 
>
> Anyone have experience with either:
>
> Sackville SmallSack, in the back (worried it will hit my thighs and, 
> despite what I hear, I think that would be annoying)
> or
> Swift Industries 'handlebar bag' of some sort, which is smaller seeming 
> but also has the convenience of a clear top for the phone or map. 
>
> Thanks!
> photo below is old, before ultegra pedals and front der., 
> the set up is IRD compact double crank, tiagra front and rear der, 48 
> Noodles, brooks B17 and bar tape, silver shifters (rear, bar-end, front, 
> downtube), old shimano brakes from old road bike, Jack Browns, and (too few 
> spokes?) Mavic Askium wheels that the guy who sold me the frame included 
> for a very generous price. 
>
>
> 
>
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[RBW] Re: Atlantis maiden voyage

[Kellie]

Congrats on your Atlantis. FWIW I love the Choco's on mine.

On Monday, March 5, 2018 at 7:56:24 AM UTC-8, Brent P wrote:
>
> They're the perfect fit for the Atlantis. Very comfortable. I had the 
> Albatross on my Appaloosa and they are a better match for the Atlantis. If 
> anything I might like them just a touch wider. The Jones bar on the 
> Appaloosa spoils me with that wide open reach.
>
> Now, of course that won't stop me from playing musical handlebars and try 
> the Choco,  Bosco and a few other ideas I have sitting on the shelf.
>
> On Monday, March 5, 2018 at 7:27:27 AM UTC-6, Rusty Click wrote:
>>
>> Such a great looking build!  I am taking notes while waiting for my own, 
>> a 62, to arrive sometime late in the summer.  How do you like the Albatross 
>> bars?
>>
>> Rusty
>> Pgh, PA
>>
>>
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[RBW] Re: Schwalbe G-One Speed tire & Atlantis

[Kellie]

RTP tires a 26" wheels with SKS fenders; 51 Atlantis.








On Wednesday, February 28, 2018 at 3:22:28 PM UTC-8, Matt Beecher wrote:
>
> The Rivendell website lists these as going on an Atlantis, but it also 
> says that the widest tire an Atlantis can take is 55mm, while these are 
> 60mm.  Has anyone tried them on an Atlantis?  If so, can you give a ride 
> report?
>
> Thanks,
> Matt B.
> Oswego, IL
>

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[RBW] Re: Schwalbe G-One Speed tire & Atlantis

[Kellie]

So my Atlantis was produced in "16. A 51 cm with 26" wheels. I've also had 
Thunder Burts mounted; they're 2.1.

On Wednesday, February 28, 2018 at 3:22:28 PM UTC-8, Matt Beecher wrote:
>
> The Rivendell website lists these as going on an Atlantis, but it also 
> says that the widest tire an Atlantis can take is 55mm, while these are 
> 60mm.  Has anyone tried them on an Atlantis?  If so, can you give a ride 
> report?
>
> Thanks,
> Matt B.
> Oswego, IL
>

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[RBW] Re: Schwalbe G-One Speed tire & Atlantis

[Kellie]

to add to the above, I have RTP tires which are 2.3" and fenders with no 
problem on a 51 Atlantis.

On Wednesday, February 28, 2018 at 3:22:28 PM UTC-8, Matt Beecher wrote:
>
> The Rivendell website lists these as going on an Atlantis, but it also 
> says that the widest tire an Atlantis can take is 55mm, while these are 
> 60mm.  Has anyone tried them on an Atlantis?  If so, can you give a ride 
> report?
>
> Thanks,
> Matt B.
> Oswego, IL
>

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[RBW] Re: Schwalbe G-One Speed tire & Atlantis

[Kellie]

Hmm... here's Cyclofiend's spreadsheet for the Atlantis. 2.35 inches is 
max tire for a 51 Atlantis which I have. That's like 59.6 something mm.




On Wednesday, February 28, 2018 at 3:22:28 PM UTC-8, Matt Beecher wrote:
>
> The Rivendell website lists these as going on an Atlantis, but it also 
> says that the widest tire an Atlantis can take is 55mm, while these are 
> 60mm.  Has anyone tried them on an Atlantis?  If so, can you give a ride 
> report?
>
> Thanks,
> Matt B.
> Oswego, IL
>

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[RBW] Re: New to me Sam

[Kellie]

Beautiful!

On Monday, February 19, 2018 at 3:12:31 PM UTC-8, Bob Warner wrote:
>
> Greetings RBW Bunch,
> Thought I'd post my new to me Sam Hillborne!  I'm pretty excited about 
> this bike.  I'm the second owner of the frame, and just built it up with 
> parts from my recently dismantled Nordavinden (soon to be for sale)
> It's my first Riv, and based upon the maiden shake down ride today, it 
> rides like a dream.   I've read a lot about Riv bikes, and have followed 
> this forum for some time now, but did not realize what truly sublime rides 
> they are.Looking forward to many long rides this year with Sam!!
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[RBW] Re: Frank Jones Sr build "done"

[Kellie]

Nice!

On Tuesday, February 20, 2018 at 5:24:18 PM UTC-8, Belopsky wrote:
>
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/PJGnXh1e68QPzoXq2
>
> Only thing missing in this photo are the bars I've now wrapped. Might swap 
> for a different seatpost/pedals and attempt fenders one more time, but 
> otherwise complete.
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[RBW] Re: New Bike Day!

[Kellie]

Looks great! My Atlantis is the best.

On Saturday, February 17, 2018 at 3:57:27 PM UTC-8, Birdman wrote:
>
> I finally finished the Atlantis build today, just in time to break her in 
> before a birthday ride along the Deschutes in Central Oregon next weekend. 
>
> A lot of inspiration and knowledge from this group went into this build. 
> Thank you.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Isaac
>
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[RBW] Re: Are you still riding on Fatty Rumpkin Originals?

[Kellie]

Put Fatty Rumpkins on my Saluki. To say the least, I LOVED THEM!

On Tuesday, January 30, 2018 at 2:53:12 PM UTC-8, Lum Gim Fong wrote:
>
> If not, why?

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[RBW] Re: Did you stop using Compass tires?

[Kellie]

So entertaining to read everyone's comments I didn't understand 
really what "supple" was until I rode RTP EL. I have 26" wheels, but I 
think a big part of my happiness with them is I set them up tubeless (on 
Cliffhanger rims). I ride 3/4 pavement; they're wonderful. The 1/4 dirt; 
they're wonderful. Rear tire about 28#, front a little less on pavement. 
Heard tell to drop some air on dirt, but I keep it the same. No flats. Had 
Thunder Burts before, loved them on dirt especially. Talk about difficult 
to mount-it was crazy hard. Anyways I give a Big thumbs up to RTP.
On Tuesday, January 30, 2018 at 2:55:42 PM UTC-8, Lum Gim Fong wrote:
>
> Why?
> What did you start using?
>

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[RBW] Re: Tubeless Maintenance

[Kellie]

I find tubeless to be psychologically rewarding. Nothing better than riding 
an overpass filed with glass residue throughout the bike lane with a "no 
worries" attitude. Everything has a learning curve and once you've got that 
down it's just topping off fluids as necessary.

On Saturday, November 4, 2017 at 2:16:57 PM UTC-7, Kellie wrote:
>
> So my sealant is lasting about 4 months before I have to replenish. Should 
> one do some cleaning of interior parts at some point to get rid of dried, 
> old sealant?
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[RBW] Re: FS: Saluki

[Kellie]

*SOLD*!

On Saturday, January 6, 2018 at 3:59:25 PM UTC-8, Kellie wrote:
>
> 50cm, 650b Rivendell Saluki; complete. Built up from frame with 100% brand 
> new components; <300 miles. Rich built wheels with Shimano dynamo. $1800; 
> shipping costs *not* included. If you want the Sackville Saddlesack 
> (small), add $90. More photos and components on request.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> <https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-lAUk068YiSM/WlFiY7H6KwI/A2Q/18IVHJFO3v06kwcL-kZLo_CLcT3EM-vIgCLcBGAs/s1600/2015-05-10%2B15.34.43.jpg>
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[RBW] Re: FS: Saluki

[Kellie]

Still for SALE. Hope somebody snaps this up soon!

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>
> 50cm, 650b Rivendell Saluki; complete. Built up from frame with 100% brand 
> new components; <300 miles. Rich built wheels with Shimano dynamo. $1800; 
> shipping costs *not* included. If you want the Sackville Saddlesack 
> (small), add $90. More photos and components on request.
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Atlantis with Antlers

[Kellie Stapleton]

> On Jan 9, 2018, at 7:54 PM, Christopher Murray  
> wrote:
> 
> Agreed. And awesome. You used to see people do that with bar ends back in the 
> day but this is next level.
> 
> Chris
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[RBW] Re: Atlantis with Antlers

[Kellie]

I think those are aero bars, installed in a bizarre way.

On Tuesday, January 9, 2018 at 4:41:20 PM UTC-8, Steven Sweedler wrote:
>
> This Atlantis on ebay has a handlebar accessory referred to as an antler, 
> anyone ever seen or ridden a bike with one, Thanks, Steve
>
>
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/Rivendale-Atlantis-26-56-cm-Touring-Bike-w-racks-and-paniers-Purchased-2005/292401110704?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649
> -- 
> Steven Sweedler
> Plymouth, New Hampshire
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[RBW] Re: FS: Saluki

[Kellie]

MORE PHOTOS:

Headbadge


<https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-KoFR01cqUDk/WlJBJVzBU4I/A3A/MZ6c8KKiEt4_k0J4V4guqWfVwl9uU85gACLcBGAs/s1600/2015-04-03%2B22.28.46.jpg>


Cool cable route built into frame


<https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-OmFBMl0eQh8/WlJBeGX3UdI/A3E/Ie5g1h1spvgHuZHQuiBUAxU7fi2WWG-QgCLcBGAs/s1600/2015-05-03%2B06.46.46.jpg>



On Saturday, January 6, 2018 at 3:59:25 PM UTC-8, Kellie wrote:
>
> 50cm, 650b Rivendell Saluki; complete. Built up from frame with 100% brand 
> new components; <300 miles. Rich built wheels with Shimano dynamo. $1800; 
> shipping costs *not* included. If you want the Sackville Saddlesack 
> (small), add $90. More photos and components on request.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> <https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-lAUk068YiSM/WlFiY7H6KwI/A2Q/18IVHJFO3v06kwcL-kZLo_CLcT3EM-vIgCLcBGAs/s1600/2015-05-10%2B15.34.43.jpg>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Saluki

[Kellie]

26-1/2" center crank to top of the seat. 

On Saturday, January 6, 2018 at 7:14:46 PM UTC-8, Daniel Jackson wrote:
>
> Would you mind my asking saddle height as pictured?
>
> Thanks,
> D.
>
> On Saturday, January 6, 2018 at 9:32:55 PM UTC-5, Kellie wrote:
>>
>> SOME MORE:
>>
>>
>> <https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-KNX1cquY9Vc/WlGGRV4j2oI/A2g/wSeMDaKyg8ENVo3s0FfRCIEKI9bydX_qACLcBGAs/s1600/2015-05-19%2B06.08.05.jpg>
>>
>>
>>
>> <https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-8eUCMa6cgRU/WlGGecF3m4I/A2k/B5KF7e21lOk9KOBsDc6KmZWNDZjy7RJJACLcBGAs/s1600/2015-07-11%2B09.27.10.jpg>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, January 6, 2018 at 6:05:03 PM UTC-8, Doug Bloch wrote:
>>>
>>> A beautiful bike!
>>>
>>> Doug
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Saluki

[Kellie]

SOME MORE:











On Saturday, January 6, 2018 at 6:05:03 PM UTC-8, Doug Bloch wrote:
>
> A beautiful bike!
>
> Doug
>

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[RBW] FS: Saluki

[Kellie]

50cm, 650b Rivendell Saluki; complete. Built up from frame with 100% brand 
new components; <300 miles. Rich built wheels with Shimano dynamo. $1800; 
shipping costs *not* included. If you want the Sackville Saddlesack 
(small), add $90. More photos and components on request.







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[RBW] Re: Bike Trainer Thoughts

[Kellie]

I have a Wahoo Kickr Snap. I love it! My Saluki is permanently affixed 
unless I take it outside. I use Zwift a few times a week. A lot of 
different routes to decrease boredom. You can do training regimens and even 
join real life rides/races with people around the word. I highly recommend 
this combination for those who can get outside, no matter the reason.

On Saturday, December 30, 2017 at 11:29:16 AM UTC-8, Jonathan D. wrote:
>
> I’m not sure if this is off-topic. I would use the trainer with a 
> Rivendell bike. I’m considering getting a bike trainer and wondering if 
> anybody has experience with one. I have a kid and sometimes it’s hard to 
> really go out for a long ride. Sometimes might be generous. Besides my bike 
> commute it is hard to ever go out riding. I also like the idea of a Zwift 
> compatible trainer. I also worry this will be an item that just sits in the 
> basement and I never use. But mostly for the winter when my kid doesn’t 
> enjoy biking in the rain.

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[RBW] Re: Looking For Some Help

[Kellie]

Don't have a photo of the Big Dummy; here's the Puglsey, each $1500.00

<https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-EEEfaMegSuM/WkV0BpRujiI/A1s/UHRvWfh5ZGsYa3LsokRyTtb41z3eiXMxgCLcBGAs/s1600/2011-04-01%2B11.12.57.jpg>


On Thursday, December 28, 2017 at 2:33:22 PM UTC-8, Kellie wrote:
>
> I'm having serious hip surgery in a few days and will not be able to ride 
> on trail/roads for many months because of the risk of falling. So. if I 
> get a trike I can ride. Therefore, I'm selling a couple of bike to finance 
> a trike. My request is to spread the word these 2 bikes are for sale, and 
> of course, if you're interested that is great.
>
> 1. Surly Pusgley: small, white in excellent condition, <500 miles, Jones 
> Loop bar, IGH Shimano ALFINE 11 for disc brakes. Custom built. Component 
> list on request.
>
> 2.Surly Big Dummy: small, black with the swooped top tube, excellent 
> condition, <200 miles, Jones H bar, Ergon grips, bought new as a complete.
>
> Thanks,
> cowboygrrl
>

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[RBW] Looking For Some Help

[Kellie]

I'm having serious hip surgery in a few days and will not be able to ride 
on trail/roads for many months because of the risk of falling. So. if I 
get a trike I can ride. Therefore, I'm selling a couple of bike to finance 
a trike. My request is to spread the word these 2 bikes are for sale, and 
of course, if you're interested that is great.

1. Surly Pusgley: small, white in excellent condition, <500 miles, Jones 
Loop bar, IGH Shimano ALFINE 11 for disc brakes. Custom built. Component 
list on request.

2.Surly Big Dummy: small, black with the swooped top tube, excellent 
condition, <200 miles, Jones H bar, Ergon grips, bought new as a complete.

Thanks,
cowboygrrl

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[RBW] Re: Care to share experiences converting to SS using White Industries ENO Eccentric?

[Kellie]

Built a single-speed a few years ago. A dream to set up and and still 
going. Looks cool too.

On Friday, December 15, 2017 at 5:49:11 PM UTC-8, tc wrote:
>
> 62cm Quickbeams and SimpleOnes are rarer than unicorns, so looking at 
> options, like going the Eccentric ENO route with a Roadini, or a(nother) 
> Sam.
>
> Has anyone had good/bad experiences with the ENO Eccentric?
>
> For those not familiar, see article in Reader #38, Summer 2006:
>
> https://gallery.mailchimp.com/2090e897f8c7f8d7170a52bbd/images/b921cb14-4563-45c9-b6c2-6e5e6eae65fe.jpg
>
> https://gallery.mailchimp.com/2090e897f8c7f8d7170a52bbd/_compresseds/0054efbc-9c92-4146-9ebe-ffd0b550f464.jpg
>
> Here's the ENO page:  
> http://www.whiteind.com/eno/
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Supple tires and rim fit trouble

[Kellie]

There's a product Stan's No Tubes sells just for this problem as I've 
encountered this with setting up tubeless. Can't remember the name but a 
small bottle with applicator rubbed on the rim/tire and whatever the liquid 
really does help with getting the tire on. Take a look.

On Thursday, November 30, 2017 at 9:32:24 AM UTC-8, Eric Karnes wrote:
>
> Hi all-
>
> I have a question about the fit of supple tires and the way they fit on 
> rims.
>
> I've had only two experience with very supple tires. Pari-motos on 
> Velocity A-23s (650b) and most recently Compass Snoqualmie Passes on Sun 
> C-18s (700c). Both tires are so tight to the rim they're very difficult to 
> get off and damned near impossible to get back on. I recently changed a 
> tube on the Squoqualmie Pass / C-18 wheels and it took me over 30 minutes 
> to muscle the tire on the rim. Frankly, I don't want to ride the bike, 
> because if I got a flat after dark, I honestly don't know if I'd be able to 
> replace the tube/tire in the field. Now, I've changed many, many flats and 
> have never had this issue with 'regular' tires (usually on OpenPro rims). 
> It usually takes me under a minute to get a new tube and tire back on.
>
> So...is a normal experience for these super supple casing tires? Or is 
> this a 'correlation not causation' situation and I've just been unlucky in 
> my choice of the rims I paired them with? Any advice would be appreciated! 
> Thanks guys!
>
> Eric
>

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[RBW] Re: End of the Trail Letter from IBEX

[Kellie]

Here, here; I love the knickers and me thinks I was lucky to get a pair for 
my birthday yesterday!

On Sunday, December 3, 2017 at 4:08:27 AM UTC-8, islaysteve wrote:
>
> This is sad indeed.  I'm fairly new to Ibex, bought El Fito knickers last 
> year and love them.  Also have a pair of leg warmers.  Yesterday I went 
> online to order a long sleeve medium weight top.  The site wouldn't let me 
> complete the order, so I had to call.  The customer service lady was super 
> nice and took care of my order.  They currently have 40% off many (all?) 
> items, no returns.  I hope that all of the employees come out OK, we will 
> miss them.
>
>
> On Friday, December 1, 2017 at 4:31:51 PM UTC-5, Justin, Oakland wrote:
>>
>> https://www.ibex.com/end-of-the-trail-letter
>>
>> Sad day for wool enthusiasts.
>>
>> -Justin
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Hunqapillar for bikepacking

[Kellie]

Lots of people using a front basket with bags that attach to the basket. 
Here's a write-up sharing this set-up while on the Stagecoach 400. My 
daughter uses the bag from Swift Industries (Sugarloaf) and a front basket; 
she loves it!
http://www.whileoutriding.com/blog

On Tuesday, November 21, 2017 at 9:48:19 PM UTC-8, ed wrote:
>
> Last year I bought Philips' 48 Hunqapillar frame and I just recently 
> installed a Cliffhanger wheelset with dyno front hub and WI MI5 rear.
> I am planning to use the Hunqapillar for the GDMBR next year.
> To get better clearance from the ground, I planned on using bikepacking 
> bags but handlebar bags such as Revelate Sweet roll is not compatible with 
> cantilever brakes because it will interfere with the front brake cables.
>
> I would like to get suggestions from the group on what bag systems to use 
> to achieve better clearance from the ground.
>
> PS  I rode the TransAm last year on my 51 Atlantis using Tubus Cosmo 
> (rear) and Tubus Nova low rider (front) with Carradice C front and rear 
> panniers
>
> Ed Fausto
> Manila, Philippines
>

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[RBW] Re: Fender suggestions for a 26" wheeled Atlantis

[Kellie]

SKS Commuter II on Rat Trap Pass.

On Friday, September 2, 2016 at 1:31:50 PM UTC-7, masmojo wrote:
>
> Building upthe Atlantis frame I  bought here a few weeks ago and I've 
> happened upon a rather odd problem. Fender selection; or more precisely 
> lack there of! It's easy to find fenders for 26"wheels, but they all tend 
> to fall into either the balloon tire or mountain bike relms. The Atlantis 
> should take a medium width fender, I thought  VO had some at one point, but 
> no longer if they did. I was really leaning towards a Honjo type look, but 
> other then Wald and a few vintage things on ebay, I am coming up with 
> nothing!
> Suggestions!?

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[RBW] Re: 46cm appa clearance

[Kellie]

Rat Trap Pass measured 54 tubeless, 53 with inner tube.

On Wednesday, November 8, 2017 at 4:35:15 AM UTC-8, Belopsky wrote:
>
> I'm assuming you cannot as the max tire listed for the appa is 26x55
>
> On Wednesday, November 8, 2017 at 7:01:41 AM UTC-5, Sky Coulter wrote:
>>
>> Oh, I see compass has a naches pass ~44mm -- I think that pretty much 
>> solves my problem. It'd be interesting to know if it can fender a 52-54mm 
>> tire though.
>>
>> On Wednesday, 8 November 2017 01:48:01 UTC-8, Sky Coulter wrote:
>>>
>>> Looking to buy one soon for my wife. Just wondering if anyone who owns 
>>> one has fendered a rat trap pass w reasonable clearance? I’m trying to 
>>> decide what tires to build around.  I’d be happy w anything 40-50mm ish. 
>>>
>>> Thanks, 
>>>
>>> Sky in new west 
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: 46cm appa clearance

[Kellie]

Rat Trap Pass tires fendered (SKS Commuter II) on 26" Atlantis.

On Wednesday, November 8, 2017 at 1:48:01 AM UTC-8, Sky Coulter wrote:
>
> Looking to buy one soon for my wife. Just wondering if anyone who owns one 
> has fendered a rat trap pass w reasonable clearance? I’m trying to decide 
> what tires to build around.  I’d be happy w anything 40-50mm ish. 
>
> Thanks, 
>
> Sky in new west 
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Tubeless Maintenance

[Kellie]

Well, I am using Stan's, but tubeless. Any Stan's users to weight in here? 
Thanks Nels, Phillip and Patrick.

On Saturday, November 4, 2017 at 2:16:57 PM UTC-7, Kellie wrote:
>
> So my sealant is lasting about 4 months before I have to replenish. Should 
> one do some cleaning of interior parts at some point to get rid of dried, 
> old sealant?
>

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[RBW] Tubeless Maintenance

[Kellie]

So my sealant is lasting about 4 months before I have to replenish. Should 
one do some cleaning of interior parts at some point to get rid of dried, 
old sealant?

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[RBW] Re: Autumn bike camping trip

[Kellie]

Thanks for sharing; great photos.

On Tuesday, October 3, 2017 at 7:19:50 PM UTC-7, MountNormal wrote:
>
> So I took my bicycle on its first camping trip. A 52 mile round trip s24o 
> with stops along the way to enjoy the scenery and make adjustments to my 
> saddle and handlebar height...it's getting dialed in. The trip was topped 
> off with a sunrise coffee drinking session.
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Saluki.

[Kellie]

Whoops! Here's the head badge:

On Wednesday, September 27, 2017 at 11:52:59 PM UTC-7, Hugh Smitham wrote:
>
> How come I rarely ever see Saluki's up on the chopping block? Did Riv only 
> make a small batch?
>
> I'd love a 56cm perhaps it's a pipe dream?
>
> ~hugh
>

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[RBW] Re: Saluki.

[Kellie]

The headbadge on my 50cm Saluki.

With Fatty Rumpkins 





On Wednesday, September 27, 2017 at 11:52:59 PM UTC-7, Hugh Smitham wrote:
>
> How come I rarely ever see Saluki's up on the chopping block? Did Riv only 
> make a small batch?
>
> I'd love a 56cm perhaps it's a pipe dream?
>
> ~hugh
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Saluki.

[Kellie]

Headbadge on my 50cm Saluki.

  



On Friday, September 29, 2017 at 10:29:06 AM UTC-7, Fullylugged wrote:
>
> There were a couple including some LE pewter ones.  Mine had cloisonne 
> edges.
>
>
> --
> *From:* lum gim fong 
> *To:* RBW Owners Bunch  
> *Sent:* Friday, September 29, 2017 9:02 AM
> *Subject:* [RBW] Re: Saluki.
>
> I think they came with diff badges. RBW sells old model badges so you 
> could call them and see if they have the one you prefer. This one looks 
> like cloisonne trim?
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[RBW] Re: Need Advice On Lighting System

[Kellie]

Supernova all the way, front and rear, with a SP hub and Sinewave usb 
adapter. I run a pass-through external charger into the Sinewave and plug 
my phone (or gps, or GoPro, or..) into the charger.

On Thursday, September 28, 2017 at 8:52:21 AM UTC-7, Broccoli Cog wrote:
>
> Hi All, I am going to add a dyno hub lighting system to my Sam Hillborne. 
> I am planning on buying all from Riv Bikes. I am going to go with the 
> Shutter PV8 Hub. Any significant gains if I go with the proven Schmidt hub 
> for more money? What am I missing? As far as headlights I am thinking about 
> the B IQ-X or the Schmidt Edelux II. Any reason why I should buy the 
> Schmidt over the IQ-X? For a taillight I am going to go with the Dyno Rack 
> Light. Another thing I hope to accomplish with this setup is the ability to 
> charge my iPhone while I ride. I think the hub has enough power to do so as 
> long as I buy the charging adaptor. I am a complete neophyte when it comes 
> to Dyno powered lights. Am I on the right track with what I am looking to 
> buy or is there a better option?
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[RBW] Re: FS: Compass Rat Trap Pass 26" x 2.3"

[Kellie]

Oh, that's too bad. I LOVE mine and I'm wondering what you didn't like 
about them? I have the lighter casing and have set them up tubeless; dirt, 
street-they perform well. I had ThunderBurts before (which I also liked) 
but I "feel faster" on the RTP.

On Friday, September 22, 2017 at 8:29:29 AM UTC-7, Gabriel Bruguier wrote:
>
>
> Hello all,
>
> Up for sale is a set of Compass Rat Trap Pass tires with the standard 
> casing.  
>
> I bought them in mid-August and rode them for a little over a week on my 
> daily commute in Lincoln, NE, so they have around 30-40 easy miles on them.
>
> Reason for selling: I didn't like them as much as I thought I would.
>
> Asking $100 & buyer pays actual shipping cost via Paypal.
>
>  
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Compass Rat Trap Pass 26" x 2.3"

[Kellie]

On Friday, September 22, 2017 at 8:29:29 AM UTC-7, Gabriel Bruguier wrote:
>
>
> Hello all,
>
> Up for sale is a set of Compass Rat Trap Pass tires with the standard 
> casing.  
>
> I bought them in mid-August and rode them for a little over a week on my 
> daily commute in Lincoln, NE, so they have around 30-40 easy miles on them.
>
> Reason for selling: I didn't like them as much as I thought I would.
>
> Asking $100 & buyer pays actual shipping cost via Paypal.
>
>  
>

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[RBW] Re: First generation Rosco Bubbe Mixte for sale (bump, new pictures)

[Kellie]

size of frame?

On Saturday, September 9, 2017 at 5:26:37 PM UTC-7, Orc wrote:
>
> I've got a never-used-as-anything-except-a-fitting-template first 
> generation Rosco Bubbe mixte taking up space in my bike mess that I'd love 
> to pass on.I comped it when I smudged the fork while building a rack 
> for it (I was able to buff the smudge out so it's not noticeable) but it's 
> not my size.
>
>
> What I'm selling is the frame, the fork, the headset, an ancient kalloy 
> stem (used, circa 1989), a shimano BB (used; un26, I think?), a 600ex 
> crankset (used; 6206, but fitted as a compact double), seatpost, a Brooks 
> Flyer (used & broken in), and a custom 10x8 front rack as shown.
>
>
> Does $1100 + shipping seem like a good price?
>
>
>
> 
>
>
> 
>
> -david parsons
>

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[RBW] Re: 2.35 inch tires on Atlas rims

[Kellie]

Go Velocity website and select the rim. It'll give you all kinds of info.

On Saturday, September 2, 2017 at 5:16:29 PM UTC-7, John G. wrote:
>
> I've inherited a pair of lightly used 2.35 inch Schwalbe G-One tires, and 
> I'm thinking about trying them out on my Atlantis. Are my Atlas rims too 
> small? According to Velocity's site, max optimal width for Atlas is 45mm. 
> Anyone have firsthand experience?

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[RBW] Re: BG rock n road tires

[Kellie]

Had R's on my Cheviot and loved them!

On Wednesday, August 30, 2017 at 3:02:31 PM UTC-7, Carla Waugh wrote:
>
> I put BG tires on my Sam and my initial impressions are that I love these 
> tires. I have to ride pavement to get to the area of mixed surfaces that I 
> ride and I think they are a great fit for the riding I do on my Sam.

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[RBW] Re: What do Rivendell Riders use for thumb shifters?

[Kellie]

I have thumbies with paul's on my Saluki; drop bar. They work great. I put 
Shimano 9 Dura Ace with the Paul's. I use One-At-A-Time SunRace on my 
Atlantis on a Choco (norm) bar. I flipped them into the inside of the bar 
(Rivendell way) which is so comfortable and natural. And yes you can really 
use your thumb. 

On Saturday, August 26, 2017 at 6:30:36 AM UTC-7, lum gim fong wrote:
>
> 1.What kind do you like?
>
> 2.Are they easy to use? I am used to whole fist shifting with bar ends, 
> but wonder how easy it is to accurately flip the lever into the next cog 
> with thumbies.
>
> 3.Can you really  just use your thumb, or do you wind up trimming alot 
> with thumb and index/middle grip?
>
> 4. Do they work well on mountain/comfort bike straight bar setups?
>
> 5. Can I use my Silver shifter levers mounted to a Paul type stop, or are 
> those dog hind leg shaped shimano levers better for thumb shifting?
>
> Thanks for the info.
> My wife's bike has index twist shifters which have never performed that 
> well and was thinking of redo-ing her cockpit with ergo grips, Shimano MTN 
> type levers and thumb shifters.
> I'd really like to get her a Rivendell mixte, but she likes her Raleigh.
> Good thing is the thumbie setup would be totally transferable to an RBW 
> bike later.
>

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[RBW] Re: Show me your touring/camping setup!

[Kellie]

Also a great resource  is *bikepacking.com*. Most of the photos here are 
packed too unwieldy for me. I prefer a more compartmentalized and 
streamlined look. You'll see lots of variety on this website, even basket 
bikepacking.

On Monday, August 21, 2017 at 12:57:57 PM UTC-7, John G. wrote:
>
> It looks like I'll be taking my Atlantis on a quick 2-night tour in the 
> next few days. I'll be camping instead of staying in hotels. I haven't bike 
> camped before, so I need ideas on how to load up the bike. If you have pics 
> of your Rivendell loaded up for a quick tour, post 'em here!
>

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[RBW] Re: Show me your touring/camping setup!

[Kellie]

google bike packing and select images. 

On Monday, August 21, 2017 at 12:57:57 PM UTC-7, John G. wrote:
>
> It looks like I'll be taking my Atlantis on a quick 2-night tour in the 
> next few days. I'll be camping instead of staying in hotels. I haven't bike 
> camped before, so I need ideas on how to load up the bike. If you have pics 
> of your Rivendell loaded up for a quick tour, post 'em here!
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[RBW] Re: How do you guys do it, buying a bike sight unseen

[Kellie]

Congrats Daniel or your order! You are going *to love it!*

On Thursday, August 10, 2017 at 2:08:54 PM UTC-7, Daniel D. wrote:
>
> I hopped right on the Roadini.  Since it's a pre-order with a wait, a 
> tinge of worry has creeped in. I've never bought a bike before taking a 
> spin on it let alone not being able to touch it or a pre-order.  Will I 
> like it, will parts selection be a pain in the butt, what if it rides like 
> my drop bar touring bike, look at that shiny titanium thing over 
> thereblah blah blah
>
> Should've grabbed that $1600 minty choco-bar orange Sam...nah I wanted 
> something roadieish
>

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[RBW] Re: Possible alternate brew method for those coffee on the go riders.

[Kellie]

Here's a much more packable drip coffee maker. This photo from Ocean Air 
Cycles, where you can purchase it from. The cone totally collapses; becomes 
flat, and it weighs next to nothing. I also use a Clever Coffee maker (2nd 
photo), looks much like yours but it's more like a french press where you 
let the water steep and when you* put it on top of your cup* it pours out. 
Order from Sweet Maria's in Oakland. Both use filters, easier to clean than 
an Aeropress.









On Sunday, July 30, 2017 at 8:14:37 AM UTC-7, Chris Lampe 2 wrote:
>
> I know a lot of people here have a lightweight coffee brewing system they 
> carry on their bikes and I just discovered a product that is extremely 
> light, relatively cheap and makes a good cup of coffee with no skill 
> needed.  
>
> The product is the brew basket from the Technivorm Moccamaster Cup One 
> brewer.  This brewer is designed to run 10oz of water thru 18-20 grams of 
> coffee at an optimum extraction time.  The brew basket is durable plastic, 
> weighs less than 1/3 of what an Aeropress weighs and has a built in rim 
> that will sit on the top of a wide coffee cup.  It's designed for #1 
> filters but I found that #4 filters work fine.  The brew basket is 
> available from Technivorm for $15.  
>
> The brew method is simple:
>
> 1)  Put filter in brew basket, grind coffee, add coffee to brew basket, 
> set brew basket on top of cup.
> 2)  Heat water and pour 330ml or 10 oz of water (If you measure it once 
> while at home, it's easy to approximate without measuring) into brew 
> basket.  Stir
> 3)  Wait for coffee to drain into cup.  Takes about 4 minutes.  
>
> It's essentially a cheap, lightweight, low-attention pour over.   
>
> The brew basket:
>
>
> 
>
>
>
> In action:
>
>
>
> 
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Atlantis Bars: Drop or Moustache?

[Kellie]

Choco.Stop.

On Thursday, July 27, 2017 at 6:02:18 AM UTC-7, ADH wrote:
>
> I have been riding my Atlantis with drop bars since I bought it almost 10 
> years ago. I ride with my hands either up against the brake hoods or on the 
> flat near the stem when I want to be more upright and almost never drop 
> down any more. I was all set to switch to a moustache bar when I realized 
> that the shape might require me to stretch forward more. Do those of you 
> who ride with moustache bars tend to keep your hands outboard near the bar 
> end shifters or more inboard near the brake levers? Thanks
>

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[RBW] Re: Dog trailer for bikes - any experience or recommendations?

[Kellie]

Bikepacking.com just posted an article on this subject.

On Thursday, July 20, 2017 at 8:26:12 AM UTC-7, gordo wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
> We just adopted the sweetest rescue dog and I am trying to figure out a 
> way to transport him to work with me via bike.  He's a 50 lb shepherd mutt 
> who does not spook easily - hopefully he will learn to enjoy traveling by 
> trailer.
>
> Any recommendations for models to consider or avoid?
>
> Riv content: I will be attaching the trailer to my Toyo-built Atlantis 
> that is currently in commuter mode with MAP/Ahearne bars.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Eric 
> SF, CA
>

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[RBW] Re: Dyno lights/hub

[Kellie]

Helicopter tape-don't have to use zip ties.

On Monday, July 17, 2017 at 2:01:58 PM UTC-7, Carla Waugh wrote:
>
> Someone sent me a picture of how they used a Marks rack with a basket 
> showing how the wiring was done. I wondered if someone has a picture they 
> could show? 

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Re: [RBW] Re: FIELD TRIP: Coffee Outside Bay Area

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Had only 1 new face show up. I think I'm going to discontinue; too many solo 
Sat's. Appears there's not enough interest. I'd be happy to meet with you if 
you throw me an email for a specific day.

> On Jul 11, 2017, at 6:07 PM, Roger  wrote:
> 
> Hey!
> How'd the field trip go?
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Re: [RBW] Re: Atlas-like but tubeless

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Don't think so . I just took 1.75's off them.

> On Jul 11, 2017, at 12:48 AM, drew  wrote:
> 
> Ok leaning toward cliffhangers. They won't be too wide for a 46mm tire, 
> right? I'm thinking I'll run compass sbh or wtb horizon for most regular 
> riding and then have the option to put something bigger on for off road 
> trips. 
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[RBW] Re: Atlas-like but tubeless

[Kellie]

On Monday, July 10, 2017 at 4:24:28 PM UTC-7, Kellie wrote:
>
> Yes, Velocity Cliffhanger is tubeless ready and I love them.  Also a 
> little wider rim to take advantage of "cush." I just happened to have 
> converted to tubeless this weekend with Rat Trap Pass. Here's a photo of 
> those rims:
>
>
> <https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-uXxlojZTuWE/WWQMYXH7vbI/AxE/eJDvNvY5s_ME4IfZH3wd4OQ6SRjt-Z9UACLcBGAs/s1600/IMG_4261.JPG>
>
>
>
> On Sunday, July 9, 2017 at 6:56:23 PM UTC-7, drew wrote:
>>
>> Any recommendations for a atlas-like rim that is tubeless ready? I was 
>> about to pull the trigger on an atlas dyno wheelset, but now I'm wondering 
>> about wanting the option to go tubeless in the future, if I'm dropping a 
>> significant chunk of money. 
>> So I'd be looking for a double wall, 19mm minimum internal, rim braking, 
>> 36 hole, tour and trail capable rim. 
>> Anything good out there? Rims are not something I frequently check out, 
>> so I'm pretty ignorant here. 
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Atlas-like but tubeless

[Kellie]

Yes, Velocity Cliffhanger is tubeless ready and I love them.  Also a little 
wider rim to take advantage of "cush." I just happened to have converted to 
tubeless this weekend with Rat Trap Pass. Here's a photo of those rims:





On Sunday, July 9, 2017 at 6:56:23 PM UTC-7, drew wrote:
>
> Any recommendations for a atlas-like rim that is tubeless ready? I was 
> about to pull the trigger on an atlas dyno wheelset, but now I'm wondering 
> about wanting the option to go tubeless in the future, if I'm dropping a 
> significant chunk of money. 
> So I'd be looking for a double wall, 19mm minimum internal, rim braking, 
> 36 hole, tour and trail capable rim. 
> Anything good out there? Rims are not something I frequently check out, so 
> I'm pretty ignorant here. 

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[RBW] Re: FIELD TRIP: Coffee Outside Bay Area

[Kellie]

Hope to see some new faces tomorrow, I'm handing out pins!

On Tuesday, July 4, 2017 at 9:58:59 AM UTC-7, Kellie wrote:
>
> This *Sat. July 8*, a no-drop, family-friendly bike ride after coffee on 
> the SF Bay Trail. About 13 miles (total out and back) on a paved, no-car 
> path (minus 2 miles on regular streets) from the trailhead to Marina Park 
> in San Leandro. We're gathering at the green marker on the map below and 
> rolling out at 7:30 AM about 1/2 mile to picnic tables. There we'll brew 
> our drinks and eat some snacks (hopefully). There is a small parking lot at 
> the trailhead (on Oakport St.) and the closest BART station is Coliseum, 
> about 1 mile away. All are welcome!
>
>
>
> *TRAILHEAD*
>  
> <https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-BdY_L661YoQ/WVvIPj2TrOI/Awc/6vn0Qg3OuZEHdXFxpqsf3BFFVa9yzMwcgCLcBGAs/s1600/Screen%2BShot%2B2017-07-01%2Bat%2B11.06.20%2BAM.png>
>  
>
>
> *ROUTE*
>
> 
> <https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-ovnv5hs3pUM/WVvIgSfWa2I/Awg/JKVx8Ng0IWIxgCx1Gj-cMQVWSwcLlqrvwCLcBGAs/s1600/Screen%2BShot%2B2017-07-01%2Bat%2B11.58.22%2BAM.png>
>
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] QUESTION: Rat Trap Pass

[Kellie]

Like your photos. Thanks for sharing.

On Wednesday, July 5, 2017 at 2:48:13 PM UTC-7, Mark in Beacon wrote:
>
> I've always been slightly curios as to the accuracy of the tire pressure 
> gauges. What are people using, and how are they calibrated? I'm just 
> guessing, but the numbers reported here could be closer, or further apart, 
> or who knows. I know people say there is a smaller optimum range with 
> these, and you need to keep the sidewalls from collapsing, but I think once 
> you ride them a bit it doesn't matter too much.
>
> I've been riding my RTP bike almost exclusively for the past few months. I 
> put some air in, give it a squeeze, make sure not to hard or soft, and go. 
> Then when they start to get bouncy, I put some more in.
>
> Just checked now, and according to the gauge on my Orange pump from 
> Nashbar, I had 20 front, 28 rear. Did a long road ride with lots of 
> climbing yesterday, felt pretty good, but a bit of bounce, so I'll add a 
> few hits. I weigh about 170, and the bike, with handlebar bag and back tool 
> bag, is around the 30pd zone.
>
> I had a mini gauge that came with a flat tire repair kit (that came with a 
> used bike I bought) but I seem to have temporarily misplaced it. I do have 
> a 2nd pump in my car, will check with that and compare.
>
> Anyway, great, fun tire. Also, I have hat zero flats in all kinds of 
> conditions. I run with tubes and a few squirts of orange seal, per Patrick. 
> Knock wood.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, July 5, 2017 at 4:57:59 PM UTC-4, Philip Kim wrote:
>>
>> ahh i was just noting why you may be seeing some higher psi run with RTPs 
>> from other, as 30-40 psi is a bit high for a ~50mm tire.
>>
>> On Wednesday, July 5, 2017 at 2:52:18 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
>>> I doubt that the RTP casings are thinner than those of the F Freds. If 
>>> anyone can correct me, I'll stand corrected!
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jul 5, 2017 at 10:25 AM, Philip Kim  wrote:
>>>
 35 rear 30 front on atlas rims converted tubeless with load for EL 
 casing. Ran a little less on standard - 30 rear 26-28 front.


 patrick, compass tires require a bit more psi IME than schwalbe tires 
 due to the thin sidewall casings. 



 On Wednesday, July 5, 2017 at 9:01:20 AM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> 30 to 40 seems high for a 50+ mm tire. I run my 50 mm labeled/51 
> actual Furious Freds (tubeless) at about 23-24/26-27 for a mix of 
> pavement, 
> sand (up to 3"), and roots and small rocks, and that seems firm.
>
> Note that the F Freds are considerably lighter (360 grams 
> consistently, at least the 3 or 4 I've weighed) than the RTPs, too (and 
> the 
> FFs are 700C tires).
>
> And even 23 seems high compared to the 15/18 and as low as 12 in front 
> that I used in 60 mm Big Apple Liteskins, though these had tubes. Same 
> conditions, though man! 15/18 psi was wonderful in sand! The FFs require 
> more pressure to prevent sidewall flop.
>
> How do you (plural( decide what pressure to choose? 
>
>
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