[RBW] Re: Using Your Rivendell Vs. Being Precious: A Spectrum

[Lefebeaver]

Since building up my Atlantis 5 years ago I've been using it a great deal, 
and my other bikes almost never see the light of day. The Atlantis is just 
such a joy to ride that I really don't want to ride anything else! When it 
was about a year old I took it on its first tour, in Brazil. I agonized 
over bringing it, as I've got a long history with the capricious Brazilian 
customs officers from 3 decades of working there; I've had very expensive 
work equipment confiscated by them in the past, never to be seen again. But 
I really wanted to get that bike out touring and making memories right 
away, so I rolled the dice and brought it. Right away I leaned it against a 
palm tree for a photo op and it rolled and slid down the tree, grinding its 
first and still biggest paint scratch into the top tube; so that broke the 
"preciousness" in one go. Now it's got a bunch of beausage, still has 
traces of stains from the red Brazilian clay that just won't come off, but 
I don't fret over it at all. I commuted on it regularly before retiring 
last year, and aside from exercising and exploring it's also my errand bike 
and grocery getter. It's simply my bike, that I use for everything I need a 
bike for. I am still a bit squeamish about leaving it locked up for long. I 
paddleboard and kayak, and for 20 years I drove my watercraft to a launch 
spot which is literally 100 feet over the town line into the adjacent town. 
When they signed it "Resident parking only", I wasn't about to be denied 
access to "MY" paddle spot - so I made my old Stumpjumper into my beach 
bike as it's so beat up I don't think anyone would want it, and I don't 
worry about leaving it locked to the guardrail for a couple of hours while 
I'm out on the water. Otherwise it's the Riv for every bicycle need - 
that's what I got it for, and it excels! 

On Saturday, November 5, 2022 at 6:15:18 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> Did you read Grant’s Blahg? He covers a lot of ground, but most notable to 
> me was the Please Don’t Be Precious About Your Rivendell section. In sum, 
> Grant is saying it saddens him to think of people riding beater bikes 
> instead of their Rivendells to do daily, monotonous tasks - because those 
> tasks make up a lot of real life. If one “saves” their Rivendell, it will 
> not realize its potential, sit mostly unused and then pass to one’s heirs 
> who will sell it in “near mint” condition on EBay, and how sad. What was 
> the bike for?
>
> I have found myself both guilty and innocent on the matter. My #1 favorite 
> bike is my raspberry Platypus. I ride it all the time, because I bought it 
> to ride it, but I also dread any harm coming to it, and I do guard it from 
> that. I got a second Platypus that I dedicated to shopping and traveling 
> with and promised not to be precious about it. But now and then I still am 
> tempted to backslide. When traveling to the Philly Bike Expo I dithered 
> about which bike to bring. I didn’t want my raspberry Platy damaged while 
> locked up at racks and I feared it being stolen. Roberta said, “I don’t 
> think you have a choice, Leah. That’s the bike people will expect you to 
> bring.” And she was right, and I did. 
>
> Then, there is Pam. Pam is at the other far end of the spectrum. Her bike 
> is a model of beausage. Innumerable paint chips and little spots of rust 
> cover her tiny Betty frame. Her Backabike bags are full of holes and the 
> elastic closures are worn out. She locks it up and never worries about it. 
> She did not obsessively stare out the restaurant window to see if it was 
> still locked to the rack while we were at dinner (like yours truly). But 
> she loves her bike, has real affection for it. She looked at me, eyes 
> shining, and said exactly that. Ana, PurpleRiv, is another good example to 
> us. She adores her bike, but has not spared it from hard work. Her bike has 
> hauled obscene loads and taken her everywhere. I remember there was that 
> one fateful camping trip for she 1. Posed it for a photo, only to have it 
> topple and slide down the face of a boulder next to it. I believe she said 
> she sat there and wept for 2 hours over her Joe Bell paint. And who among 
> us would not do the same? 2. Same trip, another photo op, and the bike fell 
> off a cliff. 
>
> So, who truly loves their Rivendell? The one who lavishes it with care and 
> protection? Or the one who pulls it out of the garage and into all of life 
> - the mundane and the adventurous? 
>
> On one end of the spectrum we have those who will only take a Rivendell 
> out for special occasions so as not to spoil it, and on the other…well, we 
> have Pam and Ana, who will give it a good thrashing. (Oh, don’t take it 
> personally, friends, I’m being funny about both types of owners.)
>
> I find myself wanting to be precious but fighting it and succeeding *most* 
> of the time. I’m lucky that the raspberry paint hides beausage and dirt, so 
> it looks pretty new. But a dent in 

[RBW] Re: Any former paper boys (or girls) on this list?

[Lefebeaver]

I delivered papers 6 days a week for the Portsmouth (NH) Herald. I went by 
bicycle unless the snow was very, very deep. I think it's influenced my 
lifelong attitude, which jives with the Riv philosophy, that a bicycle 
should be outfitted to be as robust and useful as possible, and carry 
anything. And I could go right out this afternoon on my Atlantis and 
deliver papers - it's perfectly set up for it! 

On Monday, September 6, 2021 at 12:11:33 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Dave Moulton has an interesting little post on his blog today about
> the disappearance of the paper boy. I don't recall ever having seen
> one except (always!) in movies, but then we lived when I was a boy in
> the US in what was still a semi rural area, and the rest of the time
> overseas. All the newspaper deliverers I've seen have been middle aged
> people in cars.
>
> http://davesbikeblog.squarespace.com/blog/2021/9/6/the-newspaper-boy.html
>
> I do recall working followup for the 1990 census on a bike! (I did
> similar work for the 1980 census in my car in a very rural part of NW
> Georgia; now that was interesting -- like Deliverance except that the
> people were very nice, even though I was -- to them -- a Yankee
> Oriental who was asking way too many personal questions.)
>
>
>
> -- 
>
> ---
> Patrick Moore
> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>

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[RBW] Re: anyone push their altus (m310) to a 36t rear cog?

[Lefebeaver]

I’m running silver shifters, so it’s not an indexing issue. The upper part 
of the pulley cage actually makes metal to metal contact with the cassette 
as it passes between 3rd and 1st. When runnng in the middle ring up front 
and second in the back, it just touches the innermost gear on the cassette. 
 It is a newer Atlantis 59cm with very long chain stays, so I had to buy 
two chains and add a section to get a long enough chain. I’ve played with 
the B screw in the past, just checked it now and it’s all the way in - but 
the slack in the spring of the derailleur still allows it to swing forward 
directly under the cassette. With the chain length I’m currently running, 
the Altus gets pretty stretched out in a max to max stretch, so it seems 
like the only place to go is a bit longer on the chain... or maybe it’s 
time to add a goat link? 

On Tuesday, June 22, 2021 at 10:06:54 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Lefebeaver, I'll add to the chain questions with a shifter one: Are you 
> using friction or index? Your problem on the second-biggest rear cog sounds 
> like the pulley wheels are landing slightly off-center and towards the 
> biggest cog, which would create that crunchy sound. Like you're going to 
> get that crunch when shifting to the big cog, and the chain is already 
> halfway there and crunching before you start the shift. 
>
> I've had this exact issue with an Altus and indexing, it's not a terribly 
> precise derailleur for clicky-shifting. This theory is moot if you use 
> friction and can't trim that sound out. 
>
> Joe Bernard
>
> On Tuesday, June 22, 2021 at 6:59:32 AM UTC-7 Lefebeaver wrote:
>
>> My Atlantis is set up with an Altus, 24-34-44 up front, and 11-34 8-spd 
>> in back. I set up the chain length according to guidelines I got from Riv, 
>> but my Altus grinds on the second biggest gear in back when shifting to the 
>> innermost one - it scrapes on the gear on its way up and makes a horrendous 
>> noise, and although it'll run in that second gear, it's clunky so I rarely 
>> use it, but the biggest gear works fine once you get up there. I'm 
>> wondering if anyone else has had this issue - should I add some more links 
>> to the chain? I ultimately wish to go bigger in back - was on a loaded dirt 
>> road tour in Brazil where there were some hills I didn't have a low enough 
>> gear to climb and I had to walk it up, while my companions on mountain 
>> bikes just went grinding up in their 1X setups. Thinking I need to get a 
>> goat link for that next step to a larger cassette in back; what is the 
>> guidance for choosing chain length with a link?
>>
>>
>> On Monday, June 21, 2021 at 4:34:55 PM UTC-4 dougP wrote:
>>
>>> Same here.  My Atlantis has a 24/34/44 triple, and the Altus handles it 
>>> fine.  IIRC, the Altus is less than $30 at Rivendell (if they have them to 
>>> sell).
>>>
>>> dougP
>>>
>>> On Monday, June 21, 2021 at 6:01:46 AM UTC-7 Bill Schairer wrote:
>>>
>>>> I ran an Altus on my Atlantis with a 12-36 9 speed cassette and a 
>>>> 42/34/19 triple for a week on the GDMBR and had no troubles other than 
>>>> being laughed at by another cyclist for my selection of a rear derailleur. 
>>>>  
>>>> What can I say - it worked.  I decided to switch to the Altus for that 
>>>> ride 
>>>> because I had it and it has amazing chain wrap, which I thought would be 
>>>> desirable with that 19t granny.  It has been two years now and it is still 
>>>> on the bike.
>>>>
>>>> Bill S
>>>> San Diego
>>>>
>>>> On Sunday, June 20, 2021 at 8:51:11 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> What Doug said, it should be fine, Shimano rear derailers are usually 
>>>>> good for pushing a couple teeth bigger than listed. I believe - this is 
>>>>> math stuff I don't fully understand - some of the concern comes from if 
>>>>> you're running a wide-range triple crank *and *a big cassette..at 
>>>>> some point in there things get screwy. But most of us don't run triples 
>>>>> that way and you may not even have a big ring, just guard-middle-small. I 
>>>>> say give it a whirl! 
>>>>>
>>>>> Joe Bernard
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sunday, June 20, 2021 at 6:20:31 PM UTC-7 Michael Baquerizo wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> bought a 11-36t cassette for my new appa and already have some altus' 
>>>>>> that i'd like to use ( i guess i have back up shimano rear in case they 
>>>>>> dont) but i realized it

[RBW] Re: anyone push their altus (m310) to a 36t rear cog?

[Lefebeaver]

My Atlantis is set up with an Altus, 24-34-44 up front, and 11-34 8-spd in 
back. I set up the chain length according to guidelines I got from Riv, but 
my Altus grinds on the second biggest gear in back when shifting to the 
innermost one - it scrapes on the gear on its way up and makes a horrendous 
noise, and although it'll run in that second gear, it's clunky so I rarely 
use it, but the biggest gear works fine once you get up there. I'm 
wondering if anyone else has had this issue - should I add some more links 
to the chain? I ultimately wish to go bigger in back - was on a loaded dirt 
road tour in Brazil where there were some hills I didn't have a low enough 
gear to climb and I had to walk it up, while my companions on mountain 
bikes just went grinding up in their 1X setups. Thinking I need to get a 
goat link for that next step to a larger cassette in back; what is the 
guidance for choosing chain length with a link?


On Monday, June 21, 2021 at 4:34:55 PM UTC-4 dougP wrote:

> Same here.  My Atlantis has a 24/34/44 triple, and the Altus handles it 
> fine.  IIRC, the Altus is less than $30 at Rivendell (if they have them to 
> sell).
>
> dougP
>
> On Monday, June 21, 2021 at 6:01:46 AM UTC-7 Bill Schairer wrote:
>
>> I ran an Altus on my Atlantis with a 12-36 9 speed cassette and a 
>> 42/34/19 triple for a week on the GDMBR and had no troubles other than 
>> being laughed at by another cyclist for my selection of a rear derailleur.  
>> What can I say - it worked.  I decided to switch to the Altus for that ride 
>> because I had it and it has amazing chain wrap, which I thought would be 
>> desirable with that 19t granny.  It has been two years now and it is still 
>> on the bike.
>>
>> Bill S
>> San Diego
>>
>> On Sunday, June 20, 2021 at 8:51:11 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> What Doug said, it should be fine, Shimano rear derailers are usually 
>>> good for pushing a couple teeth bigger than listed. I believe - this is 
>>> math stuff I don't fully understand - some of the concern comes from if 
>>> you're running a wide-range triple crank *and *a big cassette..at some 
>>> point in there things get screwy. But most of us don't run triples that way 
>>> and you may not even have a big ring, just guard-middle-small. I say give 
>>> it a whirl! 
>>>
>>> Joe Bernard
>>>
>>> On Sunday, June 20, 2021 at 6:20:31 PM UTC-7 Michael Baquerizo wrote:
>>>
 bought a 11-36t cassette for my new appa and already have some altus' 
 that i'd like to use ( i guess i have back up shimano rear in case they 
 dont) but i realized it's supposed to be 34t max. anyone get it past that? 
  
 tried looking elsewhere to no avail.

 keep seeing altus' on riv builds and it's growing on me aesthetically, 
 in a riv sort of way. my back up is an m952 xtr rear. not a huge fan of 
 the 
 charcoal color so i'm not super excited to use it, but i guess i can get 
 over that pretty quickly




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[RBW] Re: Adding _____ to your handlebars to create an ovalized "flat" spot

[Lefebeaver]

I have done a lot of work on the dirt-drop bars on my Atlantis (Dajia Far 
Bars from Velo Orange) to aleviate numb fingers... a friend several years 
ago had a new specialized bike that had nicely shaped bars, so I looked 
into it, and discovered a Specialized product called Bar Shapers, which 
were rubber bits that had an inner radius the size of a bar, and then had 
thicker area in the middle. They came in two thicknesses, 4 pieces per 
package, around $7 per package I believe. I think this product is no longer 
made, but twice I've found old stock at random bike shops and had them 
mailed to me. This combined with a gel pad along the top of the bars, does 
the trick for me - gives a nice wide flattish area where my  hands rest 
most often - on the bar tops or on the hoods. So google Specialized Bar 
Shapers and see if you have any luck!

On Tuesday, April 13, 2021 at 10:39:17 PM UTC-4 Andrew Turner wrote:

> In an older RBW catalog, there was a blurb about adding some cut-up PVC 
> pipe to the handlebars to achieve some different shapes to hold on to but I 
> wanted to see if anyone else had solutions that were maybe a bit less 
> scrappy. 
>
> I've been spoiled by Ritchey's evocurve 
>  and it's 
> ovalized top section, and wanted to achieve something similar to my 25.4 
> b135's. The brake housing will get me close but has anyone ever added 
> something to their bars before wrapping to get a similar shape? Maybe just 
> fold a strip of cork tape hotdog style and place it on the back of the bars 
> pre-wrap? 
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Do you leave it alone...or must you monkey?

[Lefebeaver]

I started building my Atlantis a bit under two years ago; other than wheels 
(new, fm Rich) I started with used parts and gradually have been upgrading 
as I go. I've gone through 3 different front racks, different tire sizes 
and added fenders; eventually bought dyno lights. I recently decided it was 
'done' - but by that I mean I've got it to a good place that makes me 
happy. I've already squirreled away some cork handgrips, and have been 
haunting the FS listings, knowing eventually I'll want to put some upright 
bars on it... I got it so it could evolve, and that's what it will continue 
to do. Part of the fun of these bikes is how versatile they are! 

On Tuesday, September 15, 2020 at 8:50:51 AM UTC-4 bjmi...@gmail.com wrote:

> As I wait for my first Rivendell (sort of) patiently, I can't help but 
> prowl their website and this group and stare at components and accessories 
> that I think I'd like to try. But...the only bike I've ever monkeyed with 
> is my current one that came with a fantastic Shimano RD...and that's about 
> it as far as solid components go. So I'm always playing with the idea of 
> getting a different crank, different brakes, different this or that. 
>
> My question (finally) is this - of those of you who have done an a la 
> carte build through Rivendell, who just leaves everything they picked out 
> and who is constantly trying different components? 
>
> I didn't spring for any Paul components or a set of Rich's wheels, but 
> everything that's coming on this bike is nicer than I need it to be...so 
> the plan is to never change anything except bar tape. But...there is a lot 
> of buying and selling of components here and elswhere.
>
> So yeah...do you tinker with a Riv build, or do you let it be? 
>
> -Ben
>

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[RBW] Re: Be still my beating heart, a new 8 speed group.

[Lefebeaver]

I assume I could use this with bar-end Silver shifters if I don't want 
indexing? Nice to see a wide-range cassette for sale in an 8...

On Saturday, September 12, 2020 at 8:40:28 AM UTC-4 Alex Wirth- Owner, 
Yellow Haus Bicycles wrote:

>
> Apologies if this is old news, we've been a bit occupied up here in 
> Rochester.
>
> Aside from the color and compatibility (understandable), I'm super happy 
> to have a low-cost, clutch option, alternative-to-Shimano 8 speed group
>
> https://www.microshift.com/en/introducing-acolyte/
>
> $88 gets you a shifter derailleur and cassette.  Paired with the right 
> crank and you're capable of everything but loaded touring and pedaling 
> downhill.
>
>
> Alex in Rochester, NY
>

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[RBW] Re: Ever get pulled over by police while on your bike?

[Lefebeaver]

I've been pulled over twice. Once was in the 70's when I was stationed in 
Germany, for not having a bell on my bike - I went out the next day and 
bought a Mickey Mouse bell, which I still have. The second time was on 
campus in Santa Barbara - I had walked my bike down a sidewalk, got to 
where it crossed a service road, turned down it and walked a short way from 
the pedestrians and mounted my bike - and was immediately stopped by a foot 
cop who told me I couldn't ride there. I asked where the sign was and he 
pointed 50 feed down the road to worn, greasy, nearly invisible 'walk 
bikes' sign painted on the pavement, in the right lane approaching the road 
crossing and facing the other way. As we talked, dozens of other bikers did 
exactly as I had done and rode away from us over the backward 'sign', so I 
asked him why he wasn't stopping them. His reply: "Ever been duck hunting? 
You can never get all the ducks. I got you."  Since it was such a bogus 
stop and the cop was a dick, I went to court to contest it on the grounds 
that the sign was obscure and poorly placed, that it was in fact a road, 
and I think I got the fine reduced from $50 to $10.
On Saturday, September 12, 2020 at 7:43:23 PM UTC-4 Joel wrote:

> I was out today riding one of my usual routes. I had just gotten back on 
> the bike (my Bleriot) after stopping to adjust the angle of my Albatross 
> bars. I was pedaling and all of a sudden out of my mirror I saw some lights 
> flashing and I pulled over. I got off the bike as a very young officer 
> walked over to me. I asked him if I had done something wrong, maybe riding 
> to fast (yeah I know being a wiseass is not really a good things). He asked 
> me if I had just come from a street which was one I was actually heading 
> towards.. I told him no and explained where I had ridden. It seems some guy 
> asked a lady for directions, there mush have been more to it, he was on a 
> bike, and I fit the description I was told. I was wearing  a short sleeve 
> gray sweat shirts as it was an unusually chilly day today and a Rivendell 
> cycling cap from years ago. Another officer arrived smiling, he was the 
> officer in charge. I put up my hands and said it wasn't me and he started 
> to laugh.He explained to me they were looking for a guy in a gray members 
> only jacket and a baseball cap with dark hair, my hair is silver/white.
>
> We talked for a few minutes, they apologized and I said no need. I went 
> back on my ride and now was on that street wondering if a woman would come 
> out of her house chasing me.  
>
> In a way I had a good laugh but I wonder what this guy did to make this 
> woman call the police. This was not my town but 2 towns away in CT while I 
> live in MA. So something was up.
>
> So I wonder if any of you have ever been pulled over on your bike?
>
> Joel
>

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[RBW] Re: Hot Waxing Chains

[Lefebeaver]

I'm a wax convert - it started years ago when I was recovering from a back 
injury and commuting on a recumbent, with yards of chain that kept finding 
a way to stain my legs, my yellow riding jacket, and anything else that got 
within a block of it. I read that waxing was the lowest friction, longest 
life option for a chain, and since replacing all that chain was expensive, 
wax appealed to me. Now I wax the chain on the recumbent as well as my 
daily rider Atlantis and my mountain bike, and except on a long tour away 
from home I would never consider using anything else. I recently modified 
my wax recipe to add a toilet seal wax ring (a couple bucks - new!) for its 
much softer composition, so now I'm probably running a half and half 
mixture of Gulf wax and toilet wax. I'm finding the wax is lasting much 
longer this way before the chain starts chirping, but I've never monitored 
mileage very diligently - I wax when it squeaks, or if it's been awhile and 
I'm planning a long ride. I find waxing to be the lowest effort and least 
messy method of any I've tried in my 5+ decades of regular riding - no 
cleaning needed, no rags or gloves, never any black stains on hands, 
clothes etc. from the chain. With a quick link in the chain and a tool for 
dealing with that, it's very little work and leaves no mess.  - Paul

On Thursday, May 28, 2020 at 7:18:22 PM UTC-4, Michael Hechmer wrote:
>
> Greetings, one and all.  It has been a long time, at least a few years, 
> since my last post and I am just assuming my membership is still active.
>
> At 75+, I still ride regularly, although not the distances I used to.  I 
> live in a small town in far northern VT, which has mostly dirt roads. I 
> just ride; I don't desire new stuff nor do anything heroic worth writing 
> about.  I have a Ramboulliet, a Trek 620, An early Saluki (my goto ride), 
> and a custom Bilenky touring tandem.  My wife rides a Betty Foy and my 
> daughter a Cheviot.   All but the Trek have fenders but that's still a lot 
> of chains out on dirty roads and a lot of messy time cleaning them.
>
> Can you teach an old dog new tricks?  Well maybe.   I clean the chains, 
> rings and cogs with mineral spirits and citrosol.  I use a standard oil 
> lube and wipe them down as best I can.  The process of wiping down the 
> chains inevitably contaminates the rings and cogs with oil and the first 
> ride bleeds oil from the inside to the outside of the chain.  The oil 
> collects dirt, which wears down rings and cogs.  (I just ordered three new 
> rings today, so I'm focused).  Every time I go through this process of 
> cleaning 9 chains, I watch a youtube video on chain waxing but get put off 
> by the initial effort and purchase of a crock pot, ultrasonic cleaner, etc; 
> and wonder if it would really improve this process ; keep the chain cleaner 
> and reduce wear?
>
> Your experience, appreciated.
>
> Michael
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Knicker Quest

[Lefebeaver]

I've put a lot of miles on a pair of Outdoor Research 3/4 Ferrosi pants - 
liked them so much I just bought another pair. Check 'em out: 
https://www.outdoorresearch.com/us/mens?or_product_type=117_list_limit=all
Pros: rugged, breathable in heat yet oddly comfortable in cool weather, 
don't absorb a lot of water, dry fast, reasonably flat seams, plenty of 
length below knee with a flexible elastic cord closure that can be left 
open if it heats up; not noticeably noisy fabric when walking; Cons: 
synthetic fabric may not appeal to some; fabric does pill a bit after a lot 
of use; rear pockets could use zippers (which the full-length version of 
this pant has), and zippered R side thigh pocket may be too small to be 
very useful. I mostly ride in these or their shorts in warm weather since 
deciding I'm done with Spandex. Full disclosure - I get OR stuff at a 
discount since I work in Conservation so their stuff may be more attractive 
to me than it is to you.

>
Slightly off-topic but related - can anyone recommend good knee-high socks 
to wear with these for cooler weather? 

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[RBW] Where's the serial number on my Atlantis?

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I have a MIT Atlantis I purchased new last fall; would like to register it 
on Bike Index (and I'd love to hear any other recommendations anyone has 
for this sort of registry) but I can't find the serial number. Is it hidden 
under the plastic cable plate under the bb?

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[RBW] Re: FS: NOS Rivendell Silver Bar-End Shifters $59/shipped

[Lefebeaver]

Interested!

On Monday, May 6, 2019 at 12:16:52 PM UTC-4, Paul M wrote:
>
> Hello, Just acquired a NOS Soma Saga complete bicycle that came with 
> Rivendell Silver bar-end shifters. Switching to flat bars so thought I 
> would sell these shifters. New take-off and never used as the bicycle was 
> still in the box. One of the black plastic washers is cracked and still 
> works but replacement washers are available on the Rivendell site for 
> $3.00/set. I see that these shifters retail for $104.00 and are currently 
> out of stock.   $59.00 shipped.  Thanks, Paul
>

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[RBW] Re: Atlantis build - how retro should I go on the drive train?

[Lefebeaver]

Thanks everyone for all the great information! It's my first posting to 
this group and this is more than I ever hoped for. Lots of food for 
though...

-Paul


On Friday, February 22, 2019 at 8:08:52 PM UTC-5, Lefebeaver wrote:
>
> I bought myself an Atlantis frame last fall and am building it up slowly 
> over winter. I've been riding a Novara gravel bike for the past 3 years, my 
> first exposure to a 21st century bike with discs, 10-spd index shifting, 
> yada yada. Except I'm not real impressed with any of it - the harsh ride, 
> the disc brakes or the 10-spd cassette.  I can make rim brakes stop much 
> better than these discs, and the index shifting has been very finicky - it 
> even seems temperature dependent (!) - the whole system seems very delicate 
> compared to the bombproof 7-speed Deore thumbies on my venerable 
> Stumpjumper. I've also broken 2 chains in 2 years. I'm a big guy and I've 
> always broken stuff on bikes, but this is ridiculous. So my philosophy on 
> these things is happily in line with Grant's - keep it simple and robust, 
> and don't shave weight at the cost of reliability. With regard to gears, he 
> has said "seven is heaven, eight is great, nine is fine, but ten is too 
> many". I'd be perfectly happy to go with a 7 or 8 speed, friction or 
> friction-capable gear system with a heavy-duty chain and solid shifting, 
> but I'm hearing that it's getting harder and harder to get a quality 7- or 
> 8-speed cassette and I worry they may go extinct too soon. Since I'm having 
> a set of sturdy wheels built for this bike and I'm told the hub choice 
> depends on cassette choice, I need to decide soon on what hubs to use. So I 
> guess my question is twofold - how locked into a cassette size will I be 
> with a given choice of hub; and are high quality 8-spd cassettes likely to 
> remain available for the next, say, 10-15 years? 
>

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[RBW] Atlantis build - how retro should I go on the drive train?

[Lefebeaver]

I bought myself an Atlantis frame last fall and am building it up slowly 
over winter. I've been riding a Novara gravel bike for the past 3 years, my 
first exposure to a 21st century bike with discs, 10-spd index shifting, 
yada yada. Except I'm not real impressed with any of it - the harsh ride, 
the disc brakes or the 10-spd cassette.  I can make rim brakes stop much 
better than these discs, and the index shifting has been very finicky - it 
even seems temperature dependent (!) - the whole system seems very delicate 
compared to the bombproof 7-speed Deore thumbies on my venerable 
Stumpjumper. I've also broken 2 chains in 2 years. I'm a big guy and I've 
always broken stuff on bikes, but this is ridiculous. So my philosophy on 
these things is happily in line with Grant's - keep it simple and robust, 
and don't shave weight at the cost of reliability. With regard to gears, he 
has said "seven is heaven, eight is great, nine is fine, but ten is too 
many". I'd be perfectly happy to go with a 7 or 8 speed, friction or 
friction-capable gear system with a heavy-duty chain and solid shifting, 
but I'm hearing that it's getting harder and harder to get a quality 7- or 
8-speed cassette and I worry they may go extinct too soon. Since I'm having 
a set of sturdy wheels built for this bike and I'm told the hub choice 
depends on cassette choice, I need to decide soon on what hubs to use. So I 
guess my question is twofold - how locked into a cassette size will I be 
with a given choice of hub; and are high quality 8-spd cassettes likely to 
remain available for the next, say, 10-15 years? 

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