Re: [RBW] Doldrums

[Robert Tilley]

I recently signed up with Wandrer to force me to take some different
routes. I've worked from home for the last 4 years or so and have no free
time so all of my rides tend to be errands and also tend to be along the
same routes.

It's been fun so far but I have come to really hate the inventor of the
cul-de-sac. My area is full of them and it's a real pain to "bag" them all.
One short road section here has eight cul-de-sacs sprouting off of it. I've
gotten a lot of odd looks in the week that I've been trying to clear them
all. I keep thinking I'm gonna get beat up since I likely look like some
kind of weirdo riding into and out of all of these small neighborhoods.
I've started using my Brompton so I look more like a harmless creep than a
creepy creep. I'm waiting for someone to post about "some weird old guy
riding through our neighborhoods" on the Nextdoor app.

I make double sure that my watch is recording my ride before I take off. I
can't even imagine going through some of those routes only to find I didn't
hit "record". My wailing would be heard for miles and would be the source
of much consternation I am certain.

I have my area about clear so I'm now heading out into the unknown...

Robert Tilley
San Diego, CA

On Wed, Sep 7, 2022 at 4:22 AM Bill Lindsay  wrote:

> Eric described and showed some of the fun one can derive from
> wandrer.earth.
>
> I concur wholeheartedly that wandrer.earth can add another layer of fun to
> cycling for some people.  I tend towards the compulsive, and so when I can
> planfully do something, I am generally more likely to follow through with
> that something, or at least stick with that pursuit for a longer period.
> In short, wandrer.earth got me through the pandemic, because it added a
> layer of fun for rides that were all solo, and were mostly not far from my
> front door.  I got pretty hardcore with it, and am very proud of my
> footprint in the SF Bay Area (Contra Costa, Alameda and Marin Counties
> mostly).  My job has me travel to Michigan almost monthly, and my presence
> in Wayne County is preserved on wandrer, and that helped shape many of the
> hours that I would otherwise have spent watching TV in a hotel room.  I
> just returned from a three week vacation in Europe and one of my digital
> souvenirs is a solid footprint in Stockholm, Sweden, Copenhagen Denmark,
> and Amsterdam.
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Wednesday, September 7, 2022 at 3:14:33 AM UTC-7 Eric Daume wrote:
>
>> Near Dublin, OH, a suburb of Columbus. According to wandrer.earth, Dublin
>> has just over 400 miles of bike paths and accessible roads (it doesn't
>> count interstates, etc). It took me from November through July to hit my
>> target for riding these roads (blue is ridden, red is unridden):
>>
>> [image: image.png]
>>
>> It's a fun app. I found I was riding longer distances to get out to new
>> roads, so I ended up in better than usual shape for mid summer.
>>
>> Eric
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 6, 2022 at 4:56 PM Jon Dukeman  wrote:
>>
>>> Where in Ohio?
>>>
>>> On Tue, Sep 6, 2022, 2:44 PM Eric Daume  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Come ride in the Midwest or South, and then you’ll appreciate your “hot
>>>> and sticky” Bellingham summers :)
>>>>
>>>> I like to have made up goals for my riding. For a while, it was reading
>>>> and returning books to my local system of little free libraries. This year,
>>>> I used wanderer.earth to target riding all of my local town roads and
>>>> paths. That was a good experience.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Eric
>>>> Now in Ohio, formerly of Seattle
>>>>
>>>> On Tuesday, September 6, 2022, Jay Lonner  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Over the years my cycling has increasingly tended toward
>>>>> commuting/utility. Bike-centered vacations/tours remain on the menu, and
>>>>> are still very enjoyable to me, but the day-in, day-out feels like a 
>>>>> chore.
>>>>> Part of this is seasonal — I have an easier time dealing with cool, wet
>>>>> conditions than hot, sticky weather. So maybe this problem will solve
>>>>> itself with the autumn rains imminent. But I’m wondering whether others
>>>>> ever get a case of cycling burnout, and maybe have some tips to work
>>>>> through it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jay Lonner
>>>>> Bellingham, WA
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Re: [RBW] continuing to ride desire

[Robert Tilley]

Sedona Arizona is likely my favorite place to mountain bike. They have
trails for all skill levels, the scenery is incredible and the weather is
typically decent. They can get snow though.

Robert Tilley
San Diego, CA

On Thu, Dec 30, 2021 at 5:07 AM 'peech1...@yahoo.com' via RBW Owners Bunch <
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> I ride my Atlantis MIT from March going forward until the ice and snow
> fall.  I have lost the enthusiasm for studded tire riding in the cold.  I
> like to ride trails primarily.  Weather here in LaCrosse, WI has turned
> nasty and I am missing riding.  I've got the time to venture somewhere warm
> where there is abundant trail riding and am asking the group for
> suggestions.  Thanks in advance.  I may not go anywhere, given COVID, but I
> can always dream.  Tim Petersen.
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Re: [RBW] WTB: Carradice Barley and Bagman

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  I went with the medium in Brown waxed canvas. It should be big enough for what I will use it for plus it has the longflap if I need extra capacity.Robert TilleySan Diego, CA Sent from my BlackBerry - the most secure mobile device   From: epkar...@gmail.comSent: October 22, 2020 9:30 PMTo: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.comReply-to: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: [RBW] WTB: Carradice Barley and Bagman  I saw that and will also try to get once orders open. What size BxB bag do you use?On Thursday, October 22, 2020 at 10:36:11 PM UTC-4, Robert Tilley wrote: Goldback preorders open on 11/2 for the next batch. I have one and they are really nice. https://www.bagsxbird.com/goldbackRobert TilleySan Diego, CA Sent from my BlackBerry - the most secure mobile device   From:  epka...@gmail.comSent: October 22, 2020 5:15 PMTo: rbw-owne...@googlegroups.comReply-to: rbw-owne...@googlegroups.comSubject: [RBW] WTB: Carradice Barley and Bagman  Hi all-

I’m sick of carrying things in a backpack and have become increasingly intrigued by the Carradice-esque Swift Zeitgeist and Bags by Bird Goldback. But they appear to be sold out everywhere. Eric’s FS post a few days back inspired me to give the original inspiration a try on my Hilsen. At least until the aforementioned makers begin production again. 

So if anyone has a Carradice Barley (or Super C Audax) and a Bagman support that are just gathering dust, let me know…

Thanks, 

Eric



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Re: [RBW] WTB: Carradice Barley and Bagman

[Robert Tilley]

 Goldback preorders open on 11/2 for the next batch. I have one and they are really nice. https://www.bagsxbird.com/goldbackRobert TilleySan Diego, CA Sent from my BlackBerry - the most secure mobile device   From: epkar...@gmail.comSent: October 22, 2020 5:15 PMTo: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.comReply-to: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.comSubject: [RBW] WTB: Carradice Barley and Bagman  Hi all-

I’m sick of carrying things in a backpack and have become increasingly intrigued by the Carradice-esque Swift Zeitgeist and Bags by Bird Goldback. But they appear to be sold out everywhere. Eric’s FS post a few days back inspired me to give the original inspiration a try on my Hilsen. At least until the aforementioned makers begin production again. 

So if anyone has a Carradice Barley (or Super C Audax) and a Bagman support that are just gathering dust, let me know…

Thanks, 

Eric



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Re: [RBW] Re: Weirdest Rivendell ideas?

[Robert Tilley]

  For me their weirdest idea is the double top tube added to normal sized frames. I can see it being needed on very large frames but on the frames they put them on they just seem useless. Robert TilleySan Diego, CA Sent from my BlackBerry - the most secure mobile device   From: jeremy.t...@gmail.comSent: October 19, 2020 11:13 AMTo: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.comReply-to: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.comSubject: [RBW] Re: Weirdest Rivendell ideas?  My two nominations would be: 1. For a while they were selling a wind "shield" that was essentially a vest without any back, just weights (IIRC) that hung over the top of your shoulders. The idea was that the wind would do most of the work holding it in place. Seems like it was designed around a fairly narrow use case, that being descending Mt. Diablo on a chilly morning after a S240. One step above stuffing newspaper down your jersey.2. Wood grips, which I think they sold around 2007 or so. Not cork, not faux wood, just plain carved hardwood, no shock absorption to speak of. I think they had a vaguely ergonomic shape.  I'm not saying either of these was a bad idea per se, just the kind of out-of-left field stuff for which Rivendell is known. -Jeremy TillSacramento, CAOn Sunday, October 18, 2020 at 4:59:41 AM UTC-7 John Hawrylak wrote:Half Mitts may be weird but they really work.  I bought a pair of Half mitts (with thumb) from a list member.  Use then in cooler weather and winter, and they work GREAT.  Hands stay nice and warm and are easier than regular gloves to take off..  I think the wind blocking goes a long way to helping hands stay warm and the inside fur is a nice touch, not technical like most riding gloves have.If anyone has another pair (weird or not) and not using, I'm an interested buyer.John hawrylakWoodstown NJOn Friday, October 16, 2020 at 10:35:26 AM UTC-4, Edwin W wrote:Splats and Half Mitts have to be up there.Half mitts with the thumb I find are actually pretty useful things to have around, take up little space and weigh very little. Never got the splats, but I see their (dorky) practicality!EdwinOn Thursday, October 15, 2020 at 6:43:36 PM UTC-5 J L wrote:Remember Foss tubes? I like that Riv has always tried to be out of the box. Stick shifting?

What are some of the other head scratcher ideas and products from yesteryear? None of them have ever been dumb.

This is in praise of creative thinking and taking chances.

Cheers
Jason



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Re: [RBW] Re: Best saddle for very upright posture?

[Robert Tilley]

  I use the WTB Pure on many of my bikes and it is my go-to non-leather saddle. I love the B17 and the Pure is just as comfortable for me but offers more setback and I can move around on it more than on a B17.I actually prefer the older model that was called the Pure V. It feels better to me even though they look to be basically the same as the new model. I have a few Pure V's squirreled away for future use.Robert TilleySan Diego, CA Sent from my BlackBerry - the most secure mobile device   From: peter.b...@gmail.comSent: October 13, 2020 8:02 AMTo: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.comReply-to: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.comSubject: [RBW] Re: Best saddle for very upright posture?  Jesse, I think you want a leather saddle, but have you considered a synthetic mountain bike saddle like the WTB Pure? It has a flat area, like the B-17, and wouldn't look out of place on a Surly.  I replaced a B-17 Flyer on a on old Trek 950 with the WTB, because of limited setback. I don't sit bolt upright on that bike, but I'm using Albatross bars that are about even, maybe a bit higher than saddle level, so I'm fairly upright. It's not a toodler, but I am comfortable.FWIW, I have a C-17 on a drop bar bike as it feels a little "racier" to me than a B-17 standard. Besides shape, I think it has less give than a leather saddle. I wouldn't recommend it for a "very upright" position. Maybe it's just sample variation, but my Flyer and Standard do not feel like the same saddle to me, despite the similarities. The Flyer seems better suited to a more upright posture. Perhaps that is because as John says above, the saddle dips with each pedal stroke (I know it does this, because I had to put a dab of grease on the spring rails keeps it from squeaking/rubbing). That dipping would explain why the nose of the Flyer seems more apparent to me in comparison to the Standard. PeteArlington, VAOn Tuesday, October 13, 2020 at 10:35:35 AM UTC-4 Jesse Stoddard wrote:Okay, so I borrowed a B17 this morning and set it up on my Ogre (73 seat tube angle) with a Velo Orange long setback post (30mm setback), and even with the saddle slammed, still didn't have enough setback. Also couldn't get the nose angled up high enough. Within the next couple years I intend to own a frame with a slacker seat tube angle, but in the interim I'll have to come up with something with rails that will allow for greater setback, which I understand is a feature of the Rivet Loveland. I'm pretty curious about that C67, too. Any owners of which in this group?



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Re: [RBW] Re: Question about 1 1/8" headset for Hubbuhubbuh

[Robert Tilley]

  Mine definitely has more paint there. I'd likely just keep some grease on it to prevent any rust.https://roberttilley.smugmug.com/Bicycles/Rivendell-Hubbuhubbuh-Tandem-2020/i-ghB9mXb/ARobert TilleySan Diego, CA Sent from my BlackBerry - the most secure mobile device   From: absolutegal...@gmail.comSent: October 8, 2020 9:29 PMTo: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.comReply-to: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.comSubject: [RBW] Re: Question about 1 1/8" headset for Hubbuhubbuh  Thanks for the suggestions. I think everything is as it should be, just some overzealous masking, as Laing points out. With older style headsets that head tube edge is often covered, and gets faced. So maybe some confusion at the factory on a few frames. I might hit it with some nice contrasting nail polish (but at this point not removing the cup to do it.)On Thursday, October 8, 2020 at 1:37:49 PM UTC-4, lconley wrote:My Hubbuhubbuh is over-masked in another area - the brake posts. There was about 1/8 of an inch of exposed, unpainted (un-powder coated?) brake post showing after I installed the Paul Linear brakes. I removed the brakes and painted the exposed part of the posts with the orange touch-up paint from another one of my bicycles - not a perfect match, but good enough.I would definitely remove the cups and prep and paint before further assembly. But I am one of those that hates beausage and rust.Laing



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Re: [RBW] Rivendell car question

[Robert Tilley]

  My van is a 2013 and sits months at a time without moving and doesn't leak a drop of anything yet despite my worrying about the same thing you are. For me it seems like using it every couple of weeks would be best but I'm not suffering yet for not following that routine. And I live in a dry climate which seems like it would be worse for things that need to be kept pliable.Robert TilleySan Diego, CA Sent from my BlackBerry - the most secure mobile device   From: bertin...@gmail.comSent: October 6, 2020 5:02 PMTo: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.comReply-to: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: [RBW] Rivendell car question  Thanks, Robert. I should have added that I am somewhat less concerned about the battery draining, since this is an older (2006) car, and again, has a new battery -- I've left it, with the old battery, for a month and the car started right up. And I have a better AAA contract, and am wholly willing to make them work for my annual fee.I ought to have aked, "How often at minimum must you drive, and for how far, to keep the gaskets pliable and the inner bits lubricated?"No mice in my garage, thank God!On Tue, Oct 6, 2020 at 5:54 PM Robert Tilley <rltil...@gmail.com> wrote:  My camper van sits months at a time without use. I do have solar panels on it which keeps all batteries topped off so that's not an issue for me. Without that I'd be taking it out once every week or two to keep that batteries charged.  Working from home and not driving much did mean I had to jump my wife's car after it sat for a week or so unused. It had only been driven for short trips at that time so it likely never achieved a full charge from the alternator.  My Jeep gets little use these days since I use a bike for about everything but it has had no battery issues yet.I haven't noticed any issues from letting my van sit but I do worry about gaskets that could dry out if oil isn't moving across them regularly. My van is 4x4 so I would think the front & rear differential gaskets and maybe the transmission.I did have mice build a nice house under the hood once so I do check there before starting the motor. They left all electrical wiring alone and I'm thankful for that. Robert TilleySan Diego, CA Sent from my BlackBerry - the most secure mobile device   From: bertin...@gmail.comSent: October 6, 2020 4:40 PMTo: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.comReply-to: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.comSubject: [RBW] Rivendell car question  Train of thought: I drove =/< 200 miles between my 1/13/20 oil change and the 6/15/20 garage visit for various electrical maladies. (My daughter returned in March and added 900 miles before she departed mid-September; total between us of ~1,060 miles in 9 months.) The main reason for such small mileage is that I ride my bikes for errands. My bikes are all either Rivendells or built upon Rivendell models. QED.Question is: how often ought one to drive a car to keep the battery charged and the fluids minimally circulating? The car had been sitting for 3 weeks since Catie left, and it was only today that I took it out and drove small detours to the nearby bike shop to get a bike box -- total out 'n' back of under 7 miles. All worked well; new battery and new alternator.Online expert advice ranges from weekly to every few months, and "let it idle for 5 minutes" to "get it out in traffic and really drive it for some miles."I know some of you know cars; what's the best minimum practice, and I emphasize "minimum"?-- ---Patrick MooreAlburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum



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Re: [RBW] Rivendell car question

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  My camper van sits months at a time without use. I do have solar panels on it which keeps all batteries topped off so that's not an issue for me. Without that I'd be taking it out once every week or two to keep that batteries charged.  Working from home and not driving much did mean I had to jump my wife's car after it sat for a week or so unused. It had only been driven for short trips at that time so it likely never achieved a full charge from the alternator.  My Jeep gets little use these days since I use a bike for about everything but it has had no battery issues yet.I haven't noticed any issues from letting my van sit but I do worry about gaskets that could dry out if oil isn't moving across them regularly. My van is 4x4 so I would think the front & rear differential gaskets and maybe the transmission.I did have mice build a nice house under the hood once so I do check there before starting the motor. They left all electrical wiring alone and I'm thankful for that. Robert TilleySan Diego, CA Sent from my BlackBerry - the most secure mobile device   From: bertin...@gmail.comSent: October 6, 2020 4:40 PMTo: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.comReply-to: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.comSubject: [RBW] Rivendell car question  Train of thought: I drove =/< 200 miles between my 1/13/20 oil change and the 6/15/20 garage visit for various electrical maladies. (My daughter returned in March and added 900 miles before she departed mid-September; total between us of ~1,060 miles in 9 months.) The main reason for such small mileage is that I ride my bikes for errands. My bikes are all either Rivendells or built upon Rivendell models. QED.Question is: how often ought one to drive a car to keep the battery charged and the fluids minimally circulating? The car had been sitting for 3 weeks since Catie left, and it was only today that I took it out and drove small detours to the nearby bike shop to get a bike box -- total out 'n' back of under 7 miles. All worked well; new battery and new alternator.Online expert advice ranges from weekly to every few months, and "let it idle for 5 minutes" to "get it out in traffic and really drive it for some miles."I know some of you know cars; what's the best minimum practice, and I emphasize "minimum"?-- ---Patrick MooreAlburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum



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Re: [RBW] Re: My Electric Sam

[Robert Tilley]

  I record all of my rides with a Garmin watch and find my average heart rate on an e-bike runs about the same as on a "normal" bike.  So I put in the same effort but I get more speed out of the bike.My riding these days all errand-based riding so if I take the e-bike I will get less of a workout since I'll spend less time on the bike due to the increased speed.Robert TilleySan Diego, CA  Sent from my BlackBerry - the most secure mobile device   From: clampe...@gmail.comSent: October 2, 2020 7:11 PMTo: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.comReply-to: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.comSubject: [RBW] Re: My Electric Sam  I spend a lot of time on a non-bike forum where everything under the sun is discussed, and e-bikes come up fairly often.  The consensus of e-bike riders there is that they work just as hard while riding their e-bikes, they just end up going faster!  On Wednesday, September 30, 2020 at 2:19:43 PM UTC-5 Sky Coulter wrote:I recently bought an ebike that was listed on my local craigslist.  I have been on the fence about ebikes for a while worrying that by riding one I would lose some of the fitness benefits of commuting under my own power.  And, if I'm honest, a lingering feeling that riding an ebike is a form of 'cheating'. What got me off the fence was a sam hillborne in my size with a bionx kit.  I figured I could buy it and if I didn't like it, I could separate the rivendell form the ebike parts and not lose too much money on the experiment.In truth it's been a revelation.  I still get a pretty solid workout on the way into work - my heart rate is within 10 beats of what it is when I ride my atlantis.  But now, when I have a rough day or a day that goes too long (which seems to be happening w quite a bit of regularity lately) I have the peace of mind of knowing that I can just increase the assistance level on the bike and take it easy.  In fact, I'm such a convert that I've ordered a Riese and Muller load 60 for my wife to take our youngest to preschool and run errands.  I'm coming to think that ebikes and cargo ebikes in particular make a great deal of sense as alternative transportation devices.  Anyway, here is a picture of my electric sam from the ride in this morning.  At first I had planned on swapping out the moustache bars but now I find myself kind of liking them and of having three bikes setup w three different handlebars (atlantis=drops, sam+moustache, clementine=choco-moose).Sky in new west  



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Re: [RBW] Front derailleur for Hubbah tandem with Silver tandem crankset?

[Robert Tilley]

 I used the M781 on my HHH. Mine came with shims so it would fit multiple sized tubes. The size needed is 31.8 since that is what my seat tube measures. No item number but the description on mine read "Shimano FD-M781 High Clamp Front" .Robert TilleySan Diego, CA Sent from my BlackBerry - the most secure mobile device   From: absolutegal...@gmail.comSent: September 3, 2020 6:09 PMTo: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.comReply-to: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.comSubject: [RBW] Front derailleur for Hubbah tandem with Silver tandem crankset?  Assembling my tandem and whoops. Forgot a few little bits.I called Rivendell today and they recommended 118 bottom brackets  and an XT FD  M781 Ax6s front derailleur for the Silver Riv tandem crankset. They don't have any more of these derailleurs, but I found some on eBay. Just need to know, am I looking for a 31.8 or 34.9 clamp? And do those extra letters and number (Ax6s) designate anything? Google is not saying.



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Re: [RBW] Re: Good wishes for those on list affected by CA wildfires

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  Air quality improved significantly since the 70's.  San Diego was never that bad but I recall trips through LA and the air quality was horrible. We did have some days here where we had to cancel PE due to smog but it was rare.Robert TilleySan Diego, CA Sent from my BlackBerry - the most secure mobile device   From: bertin...@gmail.comSent: August 23, 2020 12:08 PMTo: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.comReply-to: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: [RBW] Re: Good wishes for those on list affected by CA wildfires  SoCal has had respiratory-system-threatening atmospherics for decades and decades. The year after college and before grad school I looked around for some job and (silly me!) chose 7th/8th grade teacher at St. Philip's Catholic school in Pasadena. I recall days when the smog was so diabolic that the 101 fwy bridge about 160 metres (Google maps) from the parish grounds was invisible. Orangey-browny obscuration that made your eyes water.Back then I ran, and being too lazy to get up at 5 am to do it, I did it in the afternoons. I ran on one such hard-smog day -- Pasdena Community College track across street -- and for days afterward I had the equivalent of a modestly severe respiratory infection.I do recall the rather wonderful view of flying into LA in the morning back in the '70s and seeing the majestic vision of early morning sunlight on the dense, opaque cloud wholly obscuring the city. What an effing monstrosity! Bad in '70s and '90s; better now, smoke aside?On Sat, Aug 22, 2020 at 5:24 PM Benz Ouyang, Sunnyvale, CA  wrote:which reminded me of when I flew into LA in the mid-90s, saw the thick brown layer of smog blanketing the region, and then felt it in my eyes.---Patrick MooreAlburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum



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Re: [RBW] Re: Good wishes for those on list affected by CA wildfires

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  It's not good up North. We typically get worse down here in the South in October when the dry Santa Ana winds start to blow in. It's been a hot summer so far so I'm not looking forward to those winds. I'll be clearing out some brush around the house soon as a preventative measure.Good luck to those currently affected!Robert TilleySan Diego, CA Sent from my BlackBerry - the most secure mobile device   From: benzouy...@gmail.comSent: August 22, 2020 4:24 PMTo: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.comReply-to: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: [RBW] Re: Good wishes for those on list affected by CA wildfires  Here's a website that can convey the extent of the wildfires. Remember that the areas in darker red are burning, and the areas in lighter red (orange?) are under an evacuation order (meaning residents need to pack up and leave). Even in Silicon Valley, the air quality is bad enough that friends with asthma are avoiding any outdoor activities in fear of exacerbation. Even indoors, my eyes are beginning to water a bit, which reminded me of when I flew into LA in the mid-90s, saw the thick brown layer of smog blanketing the region, and then felt it in my eyes.On Saturday, August 22, 2020 at 1:56:40 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:Yes, CA Friends, you’re on my mind every day. Our air is hazy all the way in Vegas, so I can’t imagine what it’s like for our Californian friends. Are you out there riding in the smoke and ash-filled air? Staying in? Anyone having to evacuate?2020...the hits just keep coming. I’m so sorry, and I hope you’re safe. ❤️On Saturday, August 22, 2020 at 11:48:17 AM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:Wow. Again, best wishes and a prayer.I laughed at your signature.On Fri, Aug 21, 2020 at 6:55 PM Philip Williamson  wrote:Thanks Patrick. As my friend at Tilted Shed Ciderworks said on Monday, “Here we go again.”Looks like the roads I rode last weekend are now either evacuated or burned out. Dozens of acquaintances are evacuated, and the smoke and heat are oppressive. The wind just picked up, and we may have more dry lightning on Sunday. Waking up in a sleeping bag by the ocean to the End Times Thunder and Lighting Show was pretty intense. “Oh this will go down in the oral histories.”PhilipGlobal Warming, CAOn Friday, August 21, 2020 at 4:48:33 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:I spent ~5 years on SoCal -- Calabasas/Malibu and Santa Paula/Ojai and Pasadena and Atherton (girlfriend) way back in the '70s and early '80s, college and hanging around afterward. I recall yearly wildfires and the little everyday earthquakes; but nothing like the last few years, which have been rather apocalyptic.I just read on the CR list that a well-known builder lost his property.Is Walnut Creek affected?I hope all living there and reading this are safe. Here in high desert ABQ, NM the sun has long since burned off most fire fuel, but I live in the little green belt -- bosque -- adjacent to the Rio Grand; the summer before I bought my house, there was a bosque fire, after which the City went in and cleaned out the thickets of imported willows and other aliens so we've not had one since. But I don't use a charcoal grill.-- ---Patrick MooreAlburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum




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Re: [RBW] I found a nice shoe for riding without clips and straps

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  I've used the Kursk shoes for years and like them on the bike. They aren't great if you're doing a lot of walking but that's not an issue for my use. I also have the "pro" version with SPD mounts.Robert TilleySan Diego, CA Sent from my BlackBerry - the most secure mobile device   From: jrster...@gmail.comSent: August 21, 2020 8:38 AMTo: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.comReply-to: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.comSubject: [RBW] I found a nice shoe for riding without clips and straps  I was looking to stop using my running type shoes,  These fit in size like a good dress shoe, not a sneaker.  They look good, are stiff enough.  Run a tad narrow but that is good for me, I still had to snug them up with an extra insole.  Very grippy on my MKS Touring pedals. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07N69JCVR/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o08_s00?ie=UTF8=1=1



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Re: [RBW] Who is using bike lights?

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  Lights aren't going to do anything to prevent things like that. I don't run daytime lights here and at night I primarily use dynamo lights with cutoff and non-blinking non-super bright rear lights. I have few issues with drivers but people here are used to bikes on the road. I do get an occasional driver who does something stupid but it's not the norm.The biggest issue here is distracted driving. Lights won't help there either since you actually need to be looking at the road to be able to notice the lights.Robert TilleySan Diego, CA Sent from my BlackBerry - the most secure mobile device   From: jrster...@gmail.comSent: August 20, 2020 4:55 PMTo: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.comReply-to: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: [RBW] Who is using bike lights?  Some lady coming out of a store parking light decided she could beat me (going straight on the road) less than 200 feet away.  Really pissed me off.  Then on my next turn a white BMW driven by a kid from another lot came up really fast trying to avoid stopping before turning.  I usually cut through a lot to a quiet area then get on the bike path to a road less travelled in the quiet suburbs where there are no shops.  Will be doing that again.  These drivers are just selfish.  I always look for cyclist to give them right if way,  On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 6:55 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:Joel: I'm glad you were not hit, Ads appear from time to time advertising the "brightest tail light" and while I've not seen any recently I think NiteRider and Cygolight make 2 of the bright ones. But I wonder if bright lights, any more than neon-yellow clothing, will make much difference in bright sunlight -- "studies showed" that clothing color didn't. What happened?On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 3:55 PM Joel  wrote:2 close calls in one day. My red blinking cateye is useless in daylight.  I a interested in front and back lights to help me be more visible, your thoughts and experiences are welcome.Thanks Joel-- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/dba2cf2f-39e3-4796-a5bd-94f89d3762dao%40googlegroups.com.-- ---Patrick MooreAlburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum-- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group.To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/-XxUiw_uF7I/unsubscribe.To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/CALuTfgt2E%3DbQUx302hLEHqO4rGP%3DB4_Ke_Vmx5-pNeXk7Pvwmw%40mail.gmail.com.-- ~IMPORTANT~ Note to all~~ EMAIL ETIQUETTEIf you forward this email, please highlight and delete the forwarding history, which includes my email address and maybe others. It is a courtesy to me and others who may not wish to have their email addresses sent all over the world. Erasing the history helps prevent Spammers from obtaining addresses, prevents viruses from being propagated, and limits the proliferation of spam. Also, please use the “BCC” area instead of “TO” and “CC” when forwarding to several people at once.~~Thank you~~



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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: 59cm Square Rivendell Road with S Couplers

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  The top tube & seat tube lengths are equal.Robert TilleySan Diego, CA Sent from my BlackBerry - the most secure mobile device   From: lyman.la...@gmail.comSent: August 18, 2020 8:17 AMTo: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.comReply-to: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: [RBW] Re: FS: 59cm Square Rivendell Road with S Couplers  HiNice bike. I’m not familiar with the term “square” in  Bicycle frames. What is meant by that?ThanksOn Mon, Aug 17, 2020 at 10:18 PM Karl  wrote:Maybe I am off... hmmm, what if I throw in a second Rivendell Road frame that is a 58 square and would be a great spandex machine! On Monday, August 17, 2020 at 5:08:12 PM UTC-5 Karl wrote:Thinning a bit. This one is collecting too much dust. XT Rear, Chorus front, Phil Wood wheels, S Couplers. Saddle can be included or will take $25 off without. Saddle bag not included. I bought this, but soon after bought a different Rivendell with S's. Pictures at https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B16GDdyTvGSqI5RWould like $2000 to me. Would LOVE local pickup, or a road trip... but can pack and ship for cost. KarlNashville, TN-- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/b98f549a-c2cf-42d5-9bdc-ee65db7fb30fn%40googlegroups.com.



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Re: [RBW] Re: Color survey! Would love some feedback, getting powder for a Surly Travelers Check

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  I'd go with #2 as well.Robert TilleySan Diego, CA Sent from my BlackBerry - the most secure mobile device   From: bhim...@gmail.comSent: August 10, 2020 9:23 AMTo: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.comReply-to: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.comSubject: [RBW] Re: Color survey!  Would love some feedback, getting powder for a Surly Travelers Check  I'd pick the #2 red/grey, t'was me.  But, just out of curiosity, why powder instead of a regular spray paint job?On Monday, August 10, 2020 at 11:13:16 AM UTC-5, Alex Wirth- Owner, Yellow Haus Bicycles wrote:So here's my thoughts each color combo gets a numberand you are only allowed one choice :-)  The first three are a combo, rear half and fork gets one color and main triangle/headtube gets another.1. Turquoise/yellow2.Red/grey3. Blue/blue4. Lilac (single color)Commence!Alex in Rochester, NY



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Re: [RBW] Re: Electrified Rivendells

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  I believe you need a frame that accepts the Bosch drive since the bottom bracket needs to be able to fit it. So retrofitting a Bosch drive to a standard frame isn't possible as far as I know.Robert TilleySan Diego, CA Sent from my BlackBerry - the most secure mobile device   From: absolutegal...@gmail.comSent: August 7, 2020 5:28 PMTo: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.comReply-to: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: [RBW] Re: Electrified Rivendells  Are Bosch systems even available as kits, or do you need to buy a bicycle with the Bosch system? If you can't get the various Bosch systems, what are folks finding reliable and moderately easy to install for pedal assist with some torque for hills (Asking for a friend. Seriously. Not that I am against them per se, but just don't need one right now.)On Friday, August 7, 2020 at 5:08:14 PM UTC-4, Robert Tilley wrote:  I agree that a purpose built e-bike would better suited for your use.  Xtracycle has some nice cargo e-bikes and Surly now offers an electric Big Dummy. I own a Tern S00 and I love it. It rides well even though it's made to fit a wide range of people (one size fits most) and it hauls almost everything I would care to carry on a bike. I do like the Xtracycle cargo platform better but the Tern takes up a lot less space in the garage.I also really like the Bosch system. It does feel like riding a normal bike but with Lance legs instead of my puny legs. I have over 2,000 miles on mine since I picked it up late last year and have had no issues at all.Robert TilleySan Diego, CA Sent from my BlackBerry - the most secure mobile device   From:  bert...@gmail.comSent: August 7, 2020 12:35 PMTo: rbw-owne...@googlegroups.comReply-to: rbw-owne...@googlegroups.comSubject: [RBW] Re: Electrified Rivendells  Oh, and to those who have the relevant experience: taking into account nighttime riding, large and heavy loads (I mean Costco shopping for 1, maybe 2), and rainy day riding: what is better, an electrified Clem/Cheviot/Joe/whathave you, or a real electric moped?On Fri, Aug 7, 2020 at 1:20 PM Patrick Moore <bert...@gmail.com> wrote:This thread, along with the consistently very positive reviews of Clems and Cheviots and other "cruiser"-type Rivendells makes me think about buying one of these long-stayed, upright Rivs with an electric motor of some sort, particularly as I progress ineluctably toward senility; perhaps a elegant Copenhagen wheel?I myself put fewer than 200 miles on my old car between a mid-January 2020 oil change and mid June -- this is not virtue, this is simply a very quiet life and several bicycles and living near things; my daughter, Covid-ed home from college in mid-March, put another ~1,200 miles on it between 1st May and mid-July.But for those days when it is windy, or rainy (I have Sou'wester hat and rain cape and spats), or when I want to carry big loads, an electric bike may be a real option, and if this bike retains something of the "feel" of the best Rivs I've already owned, then all the better.With that windup, will you-plural post photos and descriptions of your electrified Rivendells? And tell us how much they can carry, and how you carry it?Thanks. On Fri, Aug 7, 2020 at 12:50 PM Joe Bernard <joer...@gmail.com> wrote:I can verify a battery fits perfectly on a Cheviot. The only drawback for me was the caliper brakes, but that was my fault for putting a monster mid-drive kit on it..the damn thing was as fast as a small motorcycle! Your kit should be fine on one.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Electrified Rivendells

[Robert Tilley]

  I agree that a purpose built e-bike would better suited for your use.  Xtracycle has some nice cargo e-bikes and Surly now offers an electric Big Dummy. I own a Tern S00 and I love it. It rides well even though it's made to fit a wide range of people (one size fits most) and it hauls almost everything I would care to carry on a bike. I do like the Xtracycle cargo platform better but the Tern takes up a lot less space in the garage.I also really like the Bosch system. It does feel like riding a normal bike but with Lance legs instead of my puny legs. I have over 2,000 miles on mine since I picked it up late last year and have had no issues at all.Robert TilleySan Diego, CA Sent from my BlackBerry - the most secure mobile device   From: bertin...@gmail.comSent: August 7, 2020 12:35 PMTo: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.comReply-to: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.comSubject: [RBW] Re: Electrified Rivendells  Oh, and to those who have the relevant experience: taking into account nighttime riding, large and heavy loads (I mean Costco shopping for 1, maybe 2), and rainy day riding: what is better, an electrified Clem/Cheviot/Joe/whathave you, or a real electric moped?On Fri, Aug 7, 2020 at 1:20 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:This thread, along with the consistently very positive reviews of Clems and Cheviots and other "cruiser"-type Rivendells makes me think about buying one of these long-stayed, upright Rivs with an electric motor of some sort, particularly as I progress ineluctably toward senility; perhaps a elegant Copenhagen wheel?I myself put fewer than 200 miles on my old car between a mid-January 2020 oil change and mid June -- this is not virtue, this is simply a very quiet life and several bicycles and living near things; my daughter, Covid-ed home from college in mid-March, put another ~1,200 miles on it between 1st May and mid-July.But for those days when it is windy, or rainy (I have Sou'wester hat and rain cape and spats), or when I want to carry big loads, an electric bike may be a real option, and if this bike retains something of the "feel" of the best Rivs I've already owned, then all the better.With that windup, will you-plural post photos and descriptions of your electrified Rivendells? And tell us how much they can carry, and how you carry it?Thanks. On Fri, Aug 7, 2020 at 12:50 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:I can verify a battery fits perfectly on a Cheviot. The only drawback for me was the caliper brakes, but that was my fault for putting a monster mid-drive kit on it..the damn thing was as fast as a small motorcycle! Your kit should be fine on one.
 https://photos.app.goo.gl/9yY2z12rdpbrShbT9-- ---Patrick MooreAlburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
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Re: [RBW] FS 62 cm Custom Riv f/f by Joe Starck - ’98

[Robert Tilley]

  That is my understanding. My 2000 custom Joe Starck build has a 2 degree slope if I remember right.Robert TilleySan Diego, CA Sent from my BlackBerry - the most secure mobile device   From: ericda...@gmail.comSent: August 5, 2020 4:08 PMTo: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.comReply-to: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: [RBW] FS 62 cm Custom Riv f/f by Joe Starck - ’98  Mostly level... weren’t the top tubes sloped ~1.5 degrees even then?EricOn Wednesday, August 5, 2020, Patrick Moore  wrote:IIRC, all those early-year road bikes had level top tubes and were designed for 700C wheels, except for a few custom oddities like my 26" wheel customs. Certainly this one pre-dates the 650B resurgence.On Wed, Aug 5, 2020 at 4:25 PM Lyman Labry  wrote:HiNice looking frame. Besides the size of wheels question, is the top tube level horizontally?  Presuming a road bike frame. ThanksOn Wed, Aug 5, 2020 at 5:15 PM Dave S  wrote:What size wheels/tires does this take?

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Re: [RBW] Re: Earl Craig's Atlantis on the Blug

[Robert Tilley]

  Even a large frame for heavy rider doesn't need an additional top tube. Check out Shaq's bike here. It does have beefier tubing though per the article. Bill Walton rides around here on a pretty normal bike as well. https://www.bicycling.com/news/a20050684/shaqs-new-custom-bike-is-huge-and-totally-awesome/Robert TilleySan Diego, CA Sent from my BlackBerry - the most secure mobile device   From: bertin...@gmail.comSent: August 4, 2020 6:58 AMTo: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.comReply-to: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: [RBW] Re: Earl Craig's Atlantis on the Blug  You are right that a second top tube will do something structurally; there's no avoiding that, and I overstated my own case. But my point is that for anything but a very large frame, or for a frame to be ridden by someone exceptionally heavy, there's no **practical** purposes served by the added tube.Still, that Atlantis frame does look very pretty; far nicer IMO than the other models with 2 top tubes; they got the mix of straight and curved just right.On Tue, Aug 4, 2020 at 12:07 AM S  wrote:As is my habit, I overstated my case. What I said is technically true, because of physics, but I can believe the real world effect might be negligible. In the back of my mind was the side discussion on here or iBob about the supposed deadness of the Surly Cross Check frame. Some forum members -- me included -- insisted the frame was a dog, no question, while others disagreed. As it turned out, those in the former camp had the 56 and those in the latter camp larger sizes. The theory was floated that maybe the frame "opens up," that is, flexes more, in a good way, in the larger sizes -- and with generally heavier riders -- and that accounted for the difference. To me, this seems plausible. And if it's plausible that a frame could improve in this way, then it also seems plausible that, conversely, some frames could open up *too much* and become too flexy, in larger sizes, thus necessitating some modification to maintain the same relative stiffness as in the smaller sizes. Also in the back of my mind was the experience of my larger cycling friends who seem to break more frames than I ever have. But then, that's anecdotal. I don't know if Grant ran any numbers or did any testing before deciding to add the second tube to some bikes. Could just be for looks, or could be a belt and suspenders kind of thing. Or a mix. But I wouldn't say it's totally off base from an engineering point of view. Anyway, you've ridden more 60 (and maybe 60 plus?) size frames than I have, and if you say you don't feel a difference, then I can't argue. On Monday, August 3, 2020 at 8:27:15 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:Not true at all, unless -- perhaps -- you are well over 200 lb and carry heavy loads. I owned and rode a 60 c-c frame extensively -- my best level top tube size is 60 c-c -- and there was no more flex notiher 6- X 56 c-cceable than with an 18" mountain bike frame. And this frame was made from standard gauge, and not OS, tubes.I currently have another 60 X 56 c-c frame being refurbished; this is also standard gauge, and it is very light: 5.9 lb for frame + fork + steel Campy headset; I do not expect to need a second top tube. I'm 175.And my best load carrier of all time, that happily and securely carried 40+ in back (on an 11 oz rack!) was made from standard gauge, lightweight 531 and was noticeably lighter than my 2003, 58 c-c Riv frame that weighed 7 lb for frame + fork and Ultegra headset. This frame was a 58 c-c, IIRC.For anyone under say 250 lb who does not carry camping loads, a second top tube is ornamental, not structural. Amen.Back when I lived in India and Pakistan and Kenya, you'd often see heavy duty models of the stereotypical rod brake roadster wtih a second top tube (and with heavy aftermarket fork braces), but these were bikes cheaply made from cheap, weak tubing that carried 100 lb loads of firewood or 200 lb loads of charcoal in gunny sacks, or a family of 4; even so, most Indian and Pakistani made r b roadsters have single top tubes.Upshot: they look cool, but their benefit is purely aesthetic.On Mon, Aug 3, 2020 at 8:19 PM S  wrote:Yes, the extra tube strengthens the frame. Otherwise you would be left with a wobblier triangle and have to use thicker tubes and there goes at least some of your weight savings. I think it's a good solution and looks cool, so a double win. On Monday, August 3, 2020 at 11:42:08 AM UTC-7 Jason Fuller wrote:I can imagine it's useful once you get into the 60cm range, since the average rider weight is going up while the structural triangulation of the frame is going down.  But I 

Re: [RBW] Re: Locking Up your Riv

[Robert Tilley]

  I don't use my Riv's for errands but lock up my fairly expensive e-cargo bike regularly. I was using a Kryptonite NYC chain which is very heavy but have recently started using a combination of an Abus Bordo lock along with one of the new Tigr steel locks. This is much lighter than what I was previously carrying and so far my bike hasn't been stolen. Both locks have bottle cage mounts but using those would prevent mounting a bottle cage.Robert TilleySan Diego, CA Sent from my BlackBerry - the most secure mobile device   From: matthewwilliamsdes...@gmail.comSent: July 29, 2020 11:01 AMTo: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.comReply-to: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.comSubject: [RBW] Re: Locking Up your Riv  





I’m considering two options for a lock-and-chain setup, to be used for locking my bike when I'm at the hardware store, getting groceries, and such.
Option 1: Pewag 7mm Square Security Chain: 6’ length: 4.5 lbs
Option 2:  Pewag 10mm Square Security Chain: 6’ length: 9.9 lbsThe trade-off is weight vs. security. I recently tried a 12mm chain but it was nearly 15 pounds! Two Kryptonite U-locks weigh 8.9 lbs.Thoughts, suggestions, experience? How have other folks have resolved the security-to-weight equation?On Thursday, June 18, 2020 at 8:44:02 AM UTC-7 Adam Leibow wrote:I have several locks including the Bordo I bought from Riv. The Bordo is great since it's more substantial than any cable lock (in that bolt cutters won't be enough to get through it). I use it as the sole lock only in "light" lockup situations (areas I feel safe in and for short periods of time). I live in SF, so usually my lockup situations are "heavy" such that the Bordo is supplementary to at least one U-lock and I have to strongly consider whether I can lock up the bike at all. In summary, it's a great lock whether it's the only lock needed or one of several needed. On Wednesday, May 27, 2020 at 9:04:50 AM UTC-7, Vincent Tamer wrote:So I notice the Abus Bordo came back in stock on the Riv site. Does anyone have any experience with this lock?I've been considering it because I wanted a quick lock up lock for my Clem Smith opposed to my ulock and cable.  I also wanted to support Riv. :)What do you all use in the various conditions that you lock your bike up in?



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Re: [RBW] Re: HHH ride report

[Robert Tilley]

  I'm not really an experienced tandem rider but did have a Bike Friday tandem in the past. I just picked up a HHH and built it up myself. I had no issues building it up at all. It went better than any other bike really. I went with Riv's recommended chain lengths and it works fine. I may shorten the drive chain since I'm getting a lot of chain slap. Once built I didn't have to adjust anything. Even the B17 saddle tilt and height was spot on. The only issue I had was that the rear spacing actually measures 140 instead of 145 as it should be. This makes it a bit of a pain to get the rear wheel in since I did put on a disc drag brake. Riv failed to provide crank bolts with their Silver cranks so check that before you start your build or you could be delayed. I scavenged some from other bikes the garage.I love the way the bike rides. It's comfortable but still feels very quick. I went with a fairly standard build with the exception of the Jones Loop bars for the Captain. Some pictures of mine are at the link below.https://roberttilley.smugmug.com/Bicycles/Rivendell-Hubbuhubbuh-Tandem-2020/i-PmTH8B5/ARobert TilleySan Diego, CA Sent from my BlackBerry - the most secure mobile device   From: absolutegal...@gmail.comSent: July 23, 2020 5:31 AMTo: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.comReply-to: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.comSubject: [RBW] Re: HHH ride report  Looks like a lovely day on the bike, not a bad consolation.You may have posted this already, but as an experienced tandemist, how are you liking the HHH? I assume the Bilenky is a more traditional road setup with drops? I will be taking possession of a medium HHH shortly. I have a nice 26" Santana that I "converted" to be as HHH-like as possible, with 2.1" tires and Boscos. I'm hoping the HHH takes the easy cruise handling to another, Clem-like level--it's an expensive (and time-consuming) upgrade, and who knows how much longer my son will want to ride attached to dad?!I should probably start another thread, but can you tell me what hubs, wheels, & tires you are running? Did you build it up yourself? Any tricks I should be aware of? (I have the Riv tandem Silver chainset, some Boscos, not much else) If other HHH owners want to chime inOn Wednesday, July 22, 2020 at 9:52:52 PM UTC-4, Julian Westerhout wrote:COVID canceled our plan to tour in the UK on our Bilenky tandem this summer, so in partial compensation today we went for a day ride on the Illinois and Michigan Canal from Lasalle to Marseilles, Il and back on our Rivendell HHH -- about 45 miles. Nice ride, even if the path is very poorly maintained in places -- between Utica and Ottawa the path got rougher and rougher, then there was a missing bridge which required us to take the tandem down a muddy bank and wheel it across an 18" wide bridge some kind sole threw together from some old lumber. We then had to navigate a long section of limestone mud with running water -- fun! We ate lunch at Tangled Roots brew pub in Ottawa, IL (Yum!) and avoided the worst stretches of the path on the return by taking the road for 5 miles. A good day out... even if it isn't quite Cornwall, the British Peak District or Scotland!Photos here https://flic.kr/s/aHsmPzWJoy   sine Google Groups tells me i can't upload them into the message for some reason. Julian WesterhoutBloomington, IL 



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Re: [RBW] Re: XO-1 or Roadini

[Robert Tilley]

  I sold my all original '93 XO-1 years back for around $900. I should have kept it so I could cash in now. There is no way that bike is worth $2,500. Especially when you could pick up a used Riv for less.Robert TilleySan Diego, CA Sent from my BlackBerry - the most secure mobile device   From: absolutegal...@gmail.comSent: July 16, 2020 6:31 AMTo: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.comReply-to: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.comSubject: [RBW] Re: XO-1 or Roadini  $2,515.00, pick up only in MA!!! (I have to think some out of state bidders made arrangements to get it to a bike shop for shipping). Holy cow. I know, the orange, in top condition. But really. Any modern used Rivendell would be a better deal as a rider. If you can hold out a bit, maybe pick up a suitable vintage machine for a couple hundred, I think the Charlie H. Gallup, (which is being prototyped in orange) looks like it would blow away the XO-1 in every respect except perhaps joinery.  I'm imagining the frame/fork will be similar price to the Clems, so you could build up a brand-new Charlie, with racks, luggage, lighting if desired for $2,500, and still have some change in the pocket.On Wednesday, July 15, 2020 at 2:53:04 PM UTC-4, Joe Bernard wrote:I'd love to know how this turned out. That XO is gone. 



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Re: [RBW] Re: Inaugural ride for Matthews Road Bike for Road (AM and Fixed hub 26" wheel road bike)

[Robert Tilley]

  That makes sense. I just installed my first dynamo tail light recently and routing the wires cleanly isn't something I'm good at I found out. I'll need to work on that later but my light works so that was at least one small victory.Robert TilleySan Diego, CA Sent from my BlackBerry - the most secure mobile device   From: bertin...@gmail.comSent: June 29, 2020 7:32 AMTo: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.comReply-to: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: [RBW] Re: Inaugural ride for Matthews Road Bike for Road (AM and Fixed hub 26" wheel road bike)  Thanks. The power wire runs from hub up fender arch to lamp; the tail light wire runs under the fender from headlight to behind crown, then up the head tube and into the top tube, where it runs inside back to the seatstay and down to a rack tube and back to the tail light.On Fri, Jun 26, 2020 at 7:40 PM Robert Tilley <rltil...@gmail.com> wrote: That looks nice! What's the wire for that goes down the head tube? I can't make that out.I'm definitely a fan of the color since it looks pretty similar to my All Rounder as well as the color of my Pugsley.Robert "green for the win" TilleySan Diego, CA Sent from my BlackBerry - the most secure mobile device   From: bertin...@gmail.comSent: June 26, 2020 5:45 PMTo: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.comReply-to: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.comSubject: [RBW] Re: Inaugural ride for Matthews Road Bike for Road (AM and Fixed hub 26" wheel road bike)  Once more:On Fri, Jun 26, 2020 at 6:42 PM Patrick Moore <bertin...@gmail.com> wrote:31 miles with the AM hub -- the new 120 mm Surly wheel won't be built for a couple of weeks yet, such is the work backlog in the nearby shop. But the bike was wonderful with the AM hub which with the 48 X 19 drivetrain gives 70" / 63" / 54" (overdrive / direct / underdrive). It has been a long time since I rode a SA freewheel hub, and I got aquainted again with the "soft" feeling when you engage the hub through the epicyclic gears; also, with the half-pedal-revolution takeup of the pawls. Both would be annoying if one weren't familiar with these traits. It's very easy to swap cogs, and I have a collection of some 4 or 5. For now, overdrive in my usual cruising gear is fine; the 63" is a nice lazy gear, headwind gear, or slight uphill gear, but I may eventually make direct the cruising gear and kick overdrive up to 79" as a tailwind gear, and deal with the 61" low. OR I can add a second cog to the driver; say 17 and 19, but we'll see. I generally dislike more than 5 gi difference in the cruising range, but I consider this drivetrain as a ss drive with a lazy gear and a climbing gear; that works!The big air between rear fender and tire is to accommodate a 40-45 mm Pasela or Nachez Pass and about a 8 tooth cog difference -- there's about an inch of usable space. I will probably add a link to get the axle toward the middle of the slot.The trigger is nice and in a nice place. The entire system, except for the shifter itself, is QR -- slip out the cable from the trigger, slip out the cable from the housing stops, break the pull chain -- it has a very British "most crude but very effective" indicator chain QR with a prong at top with a tab that snaps into a hole in the bottom part. The wingnuts are original issue SA and there is just barely enough axle threading on the left. But they don't slip, at least not in the 200 or so miles I've put on them with this hub and the earlier S3X.The parts swapped right over, which was the plan. Only, I had Shoe Goo'd ball bearings into stem binder bolt allen socket and ditto for the sp binder; Chauncey got the ball out of the stem bolt but neither of us could get it out of the seatpost bolt, so I had to cut the bolt. I replaced the ball bearings, but used wax this time.Fillet brazed, except for bilaminate construction at the seattube/top tube junction.Only thing now to do, besides wait for the new fixed wheel, is clearcoat the decals.Altogether, I am, as they say, "chuffed!"-- ---Patrick MooreAlburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
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Re: [RBW] PSA: Cheap fenders killed my bike.

[Robert Tilley]

  Sorry to hear that! I'm surprised that there was that much damage at what seems like relatively low speeds. I'm another vote for having pictures posted.Robert TilleySan Diego, CA Sent from my BlackBerry - the most secure mobile device   From: bren...@areyoualert.comSent: June 30, 2020 2:23 AMTo: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.comReply-to: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.comSubject: [RBW] PSA: Cheap fenders killed my bike.  Hey guys, I just wanted to let everyone know the obviously stupid thing that I did even though I knew it was stupid has ruined my bike. Maybe this will help others as a warning or something... ?I've been running some cheap plastic fenders SOMA somethingorothers that did not have those plastic easy break stay connecters that most common sense fenders have. I knew this was a hazard but had ridden many 1000s of kilometres on them and had just sort of forgotten about it. It gets worse; I attached my Nitto Big Front rack (34f)? to do an overnighter on a nice trail while i was on holiday squeezing the adventure inbetween some bad weather and storms. On the second day, 80kms from the next town as I crested the hill...through a lot of debris and broken branches... doing ~15kmh (not exceeding 20kmh) my bike suddenly came to a stop. Just a firm enough stop to lift the back end up a little bit and make me have to put my feet down suddenly.The fender stays had lodged themselves into the fork along with the thick piece of bark that had caused the accident."No worries! these cheap fenders finally failed!" I thought, "my stupid fault. Oh well, lucky I was going slow!' As I disentangled the mess, removing the front wheel, "Oh no, the fork is bent" I realised. "It's okay, the wheel isn't hitting the downtube I can still ride out of here... why has the head badged popped out funny though?"Oh, the headtube is shaped like a banana...Welp.I could have been doing 40km/h down hill and i could have died as well as killing my bike. This is what I am trying to commisserate myself with. It barely helps.I live in Western Australia. There are no local frame builders I know of or would trust to try and repair this frame. Shipping the bike back to Rivendell is going to be an expensive excercise and in these COVID times I'm not sure they can do anything anyway. I really just don't know what I am going to do.The accident was so minor and I have bent forks before. The problem here and the reason it has been so catastrophic is because the Big Strong Nitto rack reinforced the fork removing tis failure mode of being able to bend, that force was translated into the headtube as the fork actually bent where the steerer is welded into the crown lug translating that force into the headtube.I can post pictures if anyone is interested. The frame is weirdly straight and I cannot find any distortion in the maintubes despite the obvious bend in the head tube. The headset cups are only out of alignment to the point that a sealed bearing headset can absorb the variance and seemingly work ok. The bend has to have gone somewhere though and I'm not sure that if I got a new fork that I could feel safe riding the frame as is...I really just needed to vent,Thanks for listening, (reading I guess)Brendon M.



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Re: [RBW] Useful use for beeswax

[Robert Tilley]

I remember we had Groom & Clean hair gel in the bathroom drawer when I grew up. 
I remember because my overworked Mom once accidentally grabbed that instead of 
the toothpaste when she brushed my teeth one day. I learned to brush my own 
teeth soon after.

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What a hilarious and useful post. I should start carrying bees wax on my long 
rides. Never tried Butch Wax but way back when, was a devoted Brylcreem and 
Vitalis user.

May try Patrick’s bees wax + Vaseline combo since I haven’t had a haircut since 
early March. Thanks all for the good suggestions!

Best,
Rich in ATL

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Re: [RBW] Re: Travel bikes

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  The standard 6 speed Brompton has a gear range of 33 - 100 gear inches so just above a 300% range. The -12% runs 29 - 88 gear inches. I have one of each of those currently.Robert TilleySan Diego, CA Sent from my BlackBerry - the most secure mobile device   From: westerh...@gmail.comSent: June 21, 2020 4:01 PMTo: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.comReply-to: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.comSubject: [RBW] Re: Travel bikes  Bill, I think that depends upon how you have both bikes set up. The Brompton is available with 1to 6 gears, and i think the BF is available with 1 to 21 gears, with widely varying ratios., In my case I have a 6-speed Brompton (3-speed internal plus a 2 speed freewheel), my friend's BF has 18 gears (3 speed internal plus a 9 speed cassette). I've not checked the actual gear inch range of both, but my seat of the pants feeling is that the overall range is similar, but with bigger jumps between gears on the Brompton, and that both have pretty wide range gearing suitable for most types of terrain one would likely encounter -- similar to what i'd regard as a well set up "regular" bike. It is of course possible to get either with very different gearing, so...Julian WesterhoutBloomington, IL On Sunday, June 21, 2020 at 3:50:19 PM UTC-5, Bill Schairer wrote:Julian, 
Do the Bromptons have the same gear range as the BF?  The only folder I’ve ever ridden is my BF NWT with gearing range comparable to my “regular” bikes.  I’ve been under the impression, possibly false, that most folders don’t have that capability.  As far as folding and unfolding, I have no comparisons to make but, as I mentioned earlier, I folded and unfolded my BF every day when I used it for a commuter, which is to say it was easy enough that it didn’t discourage use.  I believe mine even required an additional step from the normal process.  Now, if I were to go out and try to fold mine now, I would fumble around a bit but if one is doing it regularly, it really isn’t any big deal.

Bill S



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Re: [RBW] Travel bikes

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  I avoided Brompton's for the same reason. I wanted to avoid proprietary parts and went with Bike Friday bikes. I had a New World Tourist, a Tikit and a Project Q tandem at various times in the past. I found them all to be a bit fiddly and all required more maintenance than typical bikes would.I then picked up a Brompton and have been very impressed with the bike. So much so that I now have two. I have over 3,000 miles on one and just over 2,000 miles on the other and nothing has needed to be done to them outside of replacing tires on one. They have been extremely reliable for me. I wouldn't worry about the proprietary parts aspect of the Brompton.Robert TilleySan Diego, CA Sent from my BlackBerry - the most secure mobile device   From: jay.lon...@gmail.comSent: June 18, 2020 5:07 PMTo: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.comReply-to: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: [RBW] Travel bikes  My understanding is that Bromptons would collide with my criterion of "avoidance of proprietary/specialized parts." Also, I have regarded Bromptons as great city bikes, but not necessarily optimized for multiday 40+ mile tours. But it's been a while, so I'll take another look.Jay LonnerBellingham, WAOn Thu, Jun 18, 2020 at 4:51 PM 'Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch  wrote:If you’re just noodling around, how about Brompton? You can get bags and racks and really load them down if you like, or keep it simple for riding around town. Standard hard case meets the max size requirement for checked baggage on Southwest and other airlines. Quick and easy to fold/unfold.
--Eric Norriscampyonly...@me.comInsta: @CampyOnlyGuyYouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy 

On Jun 18, 2020, at 4:41 PM, Jay Lonner  wrote:I'm interested in building up travel bikes for my wife and me. Our intended use is credit card touring in continental Europe and the British Isles. We also have a developing interest in cruising the Salish Sea, so I'd like something small enough to store belowdecks out of the corrosive marine environment, and that would be easy to get ashore via dinghy.It seems that there are many ways to proceed, ranging from S couplers to 20" wheel designs like Bike Friday to rinko. All have their proponents and detractors. My priorities are comfort, ease of assembly/disassembly, avoidance of proprietary/specialized parts, and the ability to fit racks, fenders, and lights. I prefer plodding utilitarian considerations to zippy performance. While our daily rides embrace Riv-approved technologies such as rim brakes and friction shifting, I am open to other options for these proposed travel bikes. When we're away from home I'm really looking for something bombproof. Rear derailleurs strike me as a particular vulnerability, especially on bikes with 20" wheels. At the moment I'm leaning towards designs that utilize a Rohloff hub.Anyway, so many choices, so many tradeoffs - I'm stuck! What would you do within the design constraints outlined above, if budget weren't really a consideration? (That's one of the nice things about bikes - even an extravagant build is super affordable compared to boats.)Help me RBW collective, you're my only hope!Jay LonnerBellingham, WA

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Re: [RBW] Re: Snowy egret? [Just pics from your good ride]

[Robert Tilley]

  I commonly see hawks and owls on my rides and I have seen ospreys before. My commute used to be on trails and when winter came and my commute home started at dusk I would often stir up owls and hawks from their perches on trail markers and would get to ride with them just off of my shoulder for a little while.Robert TilleySan Diego, CA  Sent from my BlackBerry - the most secure mobile device   From: bhim...@gmail.comSent: June 14, 2020 2:43 PMTo: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.comReply-to: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.comSubject: [RBW] Re: Snowy egret? [Just pics from your good ride]  Patrick - when I want to identify a bird and other birds similar to it I use this website https://www.allaboutbirds.org/news/   It's an excellent collection and it allows you to search by taxonomy as well as other keys.   BTW, I'm curious to know whether those who live in those desert climates such as yourself, Leah, etc. get to see various raptors soaring around on the strong thermals out there when you're on a ride.  If so, ever identify any?  Eagles, hawks, condors, etc.On Sunday, June 14, 2020 at 3:55:37 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:On the last 2 rides or so around our acequia trails, I've started brilliantly white, medium-sized birds up from the irrigation ditches, a type I've not seen before this season. We have plenty of wild ducks and geese, and over the last 6 or 8 years, large blue/grey herons (I think they are herons) skulking around the irrigation ditches. The white birds are rather like smaller versions of the big herons  - that is, they are built on the same long and leggy pattern -- and, like the herons, hang around the ditches, and of course, flap away before you can whip out your iPhone and snap a shot.So, 2 questions:1. What other birds might look like this, and find themselves in high desert NM in summer?(Note: This is a web photo, not mine. What I saw look somewhat like this, but I can't swear to the black legs or black beak -- was too busy trying to keep from falling over into the ditch on the right while dodging huge cottonwoods on the left while negotiating an 18" trail beset by large roots, cutaways, sand, and potholes -- and I suffer from mild acrophobia; any "teetery" situation makes me want to hyperventilate and sweat; and then, the Matthews is not at its best at slow-speed nimbleness.)2. You photo experts: how does one catch snapshots of such suddenly appearing subjects without falling over? Instruments, techniques? -- ---Patrick MooreAlburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum




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Re: [RBW] Re: Just Pics from Your Good Ride Thread

[Robert Tilley]

Nice!  I used to ride from the Poway side out to the lakes and back. Nice area.

Robert Tilley
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Robert, yes, that runs from Santee Lakes up to Sycamore Canyon.  It is my 
understanding from someone who grew up in Santee that they used to run wild in 
there but then the marines cracked down on it.

Bill S

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Re: [RBW] Quickbeam Custom Paint Color Help

[Robert Tilley]

The component choice could affect color choice as well. Silver components look 
good on most colors but black components don't always fit. 

I have a sage pea green sage All Rounder and really like it. I think it's a 
classic Riv look. I did always like the original Riv Silver blue metallic as 
well.

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Subject: [RBW] Quickbeam Custom Paint Color Help


Hey Bunch,

The bottom bracket shell replacement on my Quickbeam is going well and it will 
be headed to wet paint at Black Magic Paint next week. I could use some advice.

For a while I had planned on going with a version of Mark’s custom pink. Next I 
was convinced that it should be a PurpleRiv purple. Then I settled on a very 
slightly metallic British Racing Green, as an homage to the original QB green 
and the to Ents the world over.

Now that the time has come, I’m not so sure anymore. Also, I’m slightly color 
blind, so colors are not my strong suit.

Design constraints:
1. I can go with a single coat, or add a 2nd color for the head tube.
2. It will sport the original decals and head badge (gold with cream).
3. I want it to be a color that’s in keeping with the Riv aesthetic and color 
pallet.

Any thoughts or recommendations?

Isaac in Portland OR

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Re: [RBW] Cameras for Biking

[Robert Tilley]

I also really like the Sony RX100 but I don't believe it has the timer 
functions the OP wants. I had the original version but mine finally died due to 
poor packing on an off-road tour last year. I picked up a replacement of the 
basic version since I didn't want to spend the $$ for the upgraded model. I 
like mine enough I didn't even look at what else may be out there now when 
deciding to buy a new one.

Robert Tilley
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I have no recommendations for you, but huge praises for being able to shed your 
cell phone. You are an inspiration Deacon!

Karl
Nash, TN

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Re: [RBW] Rec's for trailer hitch bike rack for 5 bikes

[Robert Tilley]

I've been trying to decide on a rack but my "quiver" of bikes is odd enough 
that getting a rack that works with them all is difficult. Plus the vehicles I 
need to put the rack on add complexity.

Right now I'm leaning towards the Draftmaster since I do need to transport a 
tandem in addition to single bikes. They aren't cheap and require the front 
wheels to be removed which is one thing about them I really don't like. I am 
also considering a 1Up hitch rack with their tandem extension. This would work 
ok on my camper van but would stick out too far for comfort on my Jeep. On the 
van the tandem would still be within the width of the side mirrors.

http://www.atoc.com/draftmastermain.php

Robert Tilley
San Diego, CA

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That Recon actually looks like it would have none of the issues I mentioned. 
Went through 3 rack purchases over the years and somehow this company never 
made it on my radar.

Clayton Scott

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Re: [RBW] Rec's for trailer hitch bike rack for 5 bikes

[Robert Tilley]

  Recon racks make them. Not cheap but a friend of mine has their 4 bike rack and he loves it. Bikes with fenders could be an issue.http://recon-racks.com/#Robert TilleySan Diego, CA Sent from my BlackBerry - the most secure mobile device   From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.comSent: June 7, 2020 12:39 PMTo: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.comReply-to: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.comSubject: [RBW] Rec's for trailer hitch bike rack for 5 bikes  Is there such a beastie? Needs to fit Clementine wheelbase. My wife and daughters would ride much more if they didn't have to ride to where it is kid friendly to ride.With abandon,Patrickwww.MindYourHeadCoop.orgwww.DeaconPatrick.orgwww.CatholicHalos.orgwww.ShepherdsandHalos.org



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Re: [RBW] Hot Waxing Chains

[Robert Tilley]

  I find that the 12 drops works for me. It ends up coating the chain with a bit getting on the cogs and rings,Robert TilleySan Diego, CA Sent from my BlackBerry - the most secure mobile device   From: bertin...@gmail.comSent: June 5, 2020 3:07 PMTo: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.comReply-to: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: [RBW] Hot Waxing Chains  One more satisfied customer, I guess! NFS is the one lube that from reports I would consider using in place of Molten Speed Wax. Must get around to buying some.Question to you sandy/dusty/silty surface riders: I'd be interested to hear how NFS performs in dry conditions of this sort. I'm talking about the sort of surfaces where even a single 10 mile ride will coat everything from top tube to drivetrain and disc calipers in a thick coating of dust. (Dust is the principal reason for using fenders on my Matthews; doesn't keep all the dust off, but it certainly lessens the amount on things above the knee.)Also, for longer-term users: Did Michael overdo the application? Do you really need to put a drop on only 12 links out of N?On Fri, Jun 5, 2020 at 2:10 PM Michael Hechmer <mhech...@gmail.com> wrote:So I bought a bottle of NFS (Nixfrikshun) for my trust Saluki, now dressed up in brandy new TA rings.  I followed the instructions to put a drop on 12 links and spin the chain backwards 12 times.  There was no sign of any lube on the big ring, so I added 4 more drops and spun 12 times.  Still no sign of any lube.  Added 4 more drops & spun.  No sign of any lube, but this time I lightly rubbed a finger across the chain and could feel just the thinnest film of oil.  Went out for an hours ride on dirt roads.  The bike ran quietly, or as quietly as tires can roll over loose dirt, shifted flawlessly; certainly no chain squeak. Returning I checked the rings & chain and saw a small amount of lube on the rings.  No visible dirt.  Wiped the chain and the big ring down.  I'm definitely impressed and thanks to Robert Tilley for the suggestion.-- ---Patrick MooreAlburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum



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Re: [RBW] Sunglasses

[Robert Tilley]

  I have tried a bunch of glasses and have settled on the Rudy Project Rydon frame.https://www.rudyproject.com/ww/en/products/performance-eyewear/rydon.htmlI get mine with prescription lenses and they work really well for me and they don't look too weird. I have also had good luck with Jimarti sunglasses that I found on Amazon. They have lots of different styles and most are cheap but I find that their lenses are pretty nice. I use these when I don't want to risk my expensive glasses.I ride in whatever I happen to be wearing at the time I need to ride. Since I work from home now this tends to be pretty casual and not very stylish. My bikes look good though.Robert TilleySan Diego, CA Sent from my BlackBerry - the most secure mobile device   From: jonasandle...@gmail.comSent: May 31, 2020 2:27 PMTo: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.comReply-to: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.comSubject: [RBW] Sunglasses  I’ll get to the sunglasses part, but first just let me say all the words I need to get out.Lately I’ve been shuffling over the practical side. I would love to have beauty and utility both present, but sometimes it doesn’t work out. The summer months have come to Vegas and as I have greatly increased my miles in 2020 (in May alone I rode 310.4 miles!), I have had to make some changes to withstand the sun. I’m not riding in Lycra, but I do have synthetic, white arm sleeves that keep you cool, covered, and shielded from the sun. I’ve taken to wetting and tying a bandana around my neck and wearing riding gloves on my hands. I apply a nasty white mineral sunscreen at times, but I never leave without sunglasses. A few days ago I went out for an evening ride. It was dark enough that I took off my sunglasses and was soon after hit in the eyes several times by bugs. That was annoying but workable until the final one, which managed to get IN my eye and then repeatedly bite or sting. Oh my gosh, the pain. I pulled over but I was using the stripped down Clem H (my Clementine is in the shop getting dyno lighting, another thing I needed with all this extra riding) and it has no mirror. The bathrooms at the park were locked, so I had nothing but my phone camera to use and try and fish this bug - which was still ferociously stinging me - out of my eye. It must have died because the pain stopped, but I never did find the bug carcass. 濫 I was pretty sure all that biting/stinging was going to leave me with swelling. Was I going to have to ride home after dark, up the mountain with one eye swollen shut? (Spoiler alert: I made it home with 2 good eyes.) Well that was when I decided I wanted clear riding glasses for night. I ordered Tifosi from Amazon but was really disappointed. They slid down and didn’t offer good eye coverage. I ended up on Oakley’s site, which I was hoping to avoid for 2 reasons: 1. $$$ 2. I’m not rad. It’s really hard to find fit info and product reviews, but I finally settled on creating a custom pair so I could tone down the rad. There’s a sale going on right now, so while it’s not cheap, it’s not outrageous, either. They’re Radar EV Pitch, I think, and might still be a little too rad - but who’s going to see me? Well, now I’m going to have great eye protection at night, but what about sunglasses for daytime? I have 2 pairs, and while I think they’re fetching, they aren’t providing great coverage - esp. the Warby Parkers. The sun comes down into my eyes from the top of the glasses, and I don’t want to put up with it anymore. At least not on my bike. I want to know: What do you all like to use for sunglasses while riding? I want good coverage, but I don’t want to look like a cyborg, either. Lastly, I feel like I am morphing from something that once resembled Practical Cycle Chic into what The Bike Snob would call The Lone Wolf. Picture the polka dot helmet, white arms sleeves, Keen sandals, neck bandanna and Oakleys - it’s not lookin’ good, it’s lookin’ Lone Wolf-y. Should I just embrace it and get wild Oakley’s for the sun? Or do you have a more reasonable suggestion? Is there a gold standard for cycling sunglasses? I have 20/10 vision, they tell me, so prescription is not a factor here. Attached is the night glasses I am having made. It’s going to be a couple weeks before I get them. Go ahead and laugh. I am.Thanks!Leah



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Re: [RBW] Re: Locking Up your Riv

[Robert Tilley]

I typically don't lock up my Riv but I also don't ride it much due to my riding 
being mostly utilitarian these days. My Bromptons get the most use and those go 
into businesses with me. When I need to lock up my E-bike I use a Kryptonite 
NYC chain for the frame and a cable lock for the wheels. This bike also has an 
Abus wheel lock. I used to carry the chain for locking up at work but got tired 
of the weight after a while.

I did just get in on the new steel Tigr lock Kickstarter so I'll be testing 
those out soon hopefully.  I have also used the Kryptonite Evolution long 
shackle lock, Abus Bordo and Master Cuff locks with success. I've never had a 
bike stolen while I had it locked up.

Robert Tilley
San Diego, CA



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I’ve been using a combination of the TiGr mini+ and Otto lock for the past 
couple of years.  Both are excellent for their intended purposes and the tigrs 
are particularly elegant as far as lock choices are concerned (neither is 
“high” security).

And not to hijack but I have (2) tigr minis and *I think* (2) tigr mini plus’ 
leftover from the shop.  $95 & $105 shipped, respectively.  PM me if u have 
interest. 


Alex in Rochester, NY

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Re: [RBW] Hot Waxing Chains

[Robert Tilley]

  I believe they state that you should wipe down your chain after every ride which would keep the chain cleaner. I never do that and only wipe down the chain when I re-lube the chain. I just checked the chains on a couple of bikes that haven't been re-lubed in a while and the chains are still pretty clean.Another good thing about NFS is that one bottle will last a long time. 12 drops per chain uses far less than the one drop every link I used with Boeshield.Robert TilleySan Diego, CA Sent from my BlackBerry - the most secure mobile device   From: mhech...@gmail.comSent: May 31, 2020 4:45 AMTo: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.comReply-to: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: [RBW] Hot Waxing Chains  Never heard of it, but they certainly make extravagant claims!   The idea of only using 12 drops for an entire chain and then letting the cogs redistribute sounds interesting and should result in less lube leaking to the sides of the chain, where in attracts dirt.  But doesn't the cog then spread the lube back to the chain sides?MichaelOn Saturday, May 30, 2020 at 1:56:36 PM UTC-4, Robert Tilley wrote:  I have recently switched over to NFS lube after years of using Boeshield. I am finding that the NFS lasts much longer and needs to be reapplied less frequently. It also keeps the drivetrain very quiet and the chain stays clean. I was skeptical that 12 drops world be enough to work but it does.http://nixfrixshun.com/nixfrixshun-ultimate-bicycle-chainlube/   I have tried most of the dry lubes out there and always found that the wax they use collected on the cogs and I would periodically need to remove the cassette and give it a good cleaning. I have always been curious about doing a proper wax job on my chains and may do it at some point but NFS works so well for me I don't have the motivation to try right now.Robert TilleySan Diego, CA  Sent from my BlackBerry - the most secure mobile device   From:  mhec...@gmail.comSent: May 28, 2020 4:18 PMTo: rbw-owne...@googlegroups.comReply-to: rbw-owne...@googlegroups.comSubject: [RBW] Hot Waxing Chains  Greetings, one and all.  It has been a long time, at least a few years, since my last post and I am just assuming my membership is still active.At 75+, I still ride regularly, although not the distances I used to.  I live in a small town in far northern VT, which has mostly dirt roads. I just ride; I don't desire new stuff nor do anything heroic worth writing about.  I have a Ramboulliet, a Trek 620, An early Saluki (my goto ride), and a custom Bilenky touring tandem.  My wife rides a Betty Foy and my daughter a Cheviot.   All but the Trek have fenders but that's still a lot of chains out on dirty roads and a lot of messy time cleaning them.Can you teach an old dog new tricks?  Well maybe.   I clean the chains, rings and cogs with mineral spirits and citrosol.  I use a standard oil lube and wipe them down as best I can.  The process of wiping down the chains inevitably contaminates the rings and cogs with oil and the first ride bleeds oil from the inside to the outside of the chain.  The oil collects dirt, which wears down rings and cogs.  (I just ordered three new rings today, so I'm focused).  Every time I go through this process of cleaning 9 chains, I watch a youtube video on chain waxing but get put off by the initial effort and purchase of a crock pot, ultrasonic cleaner, etc; and wonder if it would really improve this process ; keep the chain cleaner and reduce wear?Your experience, appreciated.Michael



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Re: [RBW] Hot Waxing Chains

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  I have recently switched over to NFS lube after years of using Boeshield. I am finding that the NFS lasts much longer and needs to be reapplied less frequently. It also keeps the drivetrain very quiet and the chain stays clean. I was skeptical that 12 drops world be enough to work but it does.http://nixfrixshun.com/nixfrixshun-ultimate-bicycle-chainlube/   I have tried most of the dry lubes out there and always found that the wax they use collected on the cogs and I would periodically need to remove the cassette and give it a good cleaning. I have always been curious about doing a proper wax job on my chains and may do it at some point but NFS works so well for me I don't have the motivation to try right now.Robert TilleySan Diego, CA  Sent from my BlackBerry - the most secure mobile device   From: mhech...@gmail.comSent: May 28, 2020 4:18 PMTo: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.comReply-to: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.comSubject: [RBW] Hot Waxing Chains  Greetings, one and all.  It has been a long time, at least a few years, since my last post and I am just assuming my membership is still active.At 75+, I still ride regularly, although not the distances I used to.  I live in a small town in far northern VT, which has mostly dirt roads. I just ride; I don't desire new stuff nor do anything heroic worth writing about.  I have a Ramboulliet, a Trek 620, An early Saluki (my goto ride), and a custom Bilenky touring tandem.  My wife rides a Betty Foy and my daughter a Cheviot.   All but the Trek have fenders but that's still a lot of chains out on dirty roads and a lot of messy time cleaning them.Can you teach an old dog new tricks?  Well maybe.   I clean the chains, rings and cogs with mineral spirits and citrosol.  I use a standard oil lube and wipe them down as best I can.  The process of wiping down the chains inevitably contaminates the rings and cogs with oil and the first ride bleeds oil from the inside to the outside of the chain.  The oil collects dirt, which wears down rings and cogs.  (I just ordered three new rings today, so I'm focused).  Every time I go through this process of cleaning 9 chains, I watch a youtube video on chain waxing but get put off by the initial effort and purchase of a crock pot, ultrasonic cleaner, etc; and wonder if it would really improve this process ; keep the chain cleaner and reduce wear?Your experience, appreciated.Michael



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Re: [RBW] Praise for the Hubbuhubbuh tandem

[Robert Tilley]

  It measures 140 mm between the inside faces of the dropouts. When I couldn't seat the wheel easily I measured and it did come up short. The wheel is properly aligned once seated in the dropouts so I assume it was just sent over out of spec. If it was damaged I would thiink the dropouts would also be out of alignment.My custom AR that I got years ago was also built with the wrong rear spacing. It was supposed to be 135 but shipped to me at 130. So, this must just be the way it goes for me and Riv frames.Robert TilleySan Diego, CA Sent from my BlackBerry - the most secure mobile device   From: westerh...@gmail.comSent: May 19, 2020 5:47 AMTo: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.comReply-to: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: [RBW] Praise for the Hubbuhubbuh tandem  Robert, It is odd  that your HHH rear spacing is 140 - - our HHH  (from the first batch) is 145 spaced.  The website says they're 145 -- is yours out of spec?  Have you asked Riv? Julian WesterhoutBloomington, IL On Monday, May 18, 2020 at 12:50:18 PM UTC-5, Robert Tilley wrote:  I've been meaning to post mine but was waiting for the final parts to come in. Right now I'm just waiting on lights for the SON hub. I am very happy with the way the bike rides. I haven't had chance to get it on the dirt but I bought the frame with dirt rides in mind. Hopefully some off-road touring in the future.I was a bit disappointed that the rear spacing came in at 140 instead of the 145 it was supposed to be. Getting in the rear tire is a pain since I have a disc drag brake and getting the rotor lined up with one hand while trying to spread the dropouts with the other isn't easy.I went with a somewhat typical build but used 9 speed bar ends on Paul thumby mounts and went with Jones Loop bars for the captain. Pictures of mine are here:https://roberttilley.smugmug.com/Bicycles/Rivendell-Hubbuhubbuh-Tandem-2020/i-WnqpXcx/ARobert TilleySan Diego, CA Sent from my BlackBerry - the most secure mobile device   From:  mike@gmail.comSent: May 17, 2020 12:05 PMTo: rbw-owne...@googlegroups.comReply-to: rbw-owne...@googlegroups.comSubject: [RBW] Praise for the Hubbuhubbuh tandem  I haven't seen a lot of ride reports or comments about Hubbuhubbuhs so I thought I would throw my hat into the proverbial ring. Last year we pre-ordered an orange medium frame Hubbuhubbuh and anxiously anticipated its arrival. Parts purchase and assembly was accomplished via a series of phone calls and emails with Grant and Will at RBW. They of course made excellent recommendations and offered sage advice to guide me through the process. I would consider the build to be typical of Rivendell with the exception of the 9 speed trigger shifter on the right and the disc "drag brake" set up for the stoker. The cranks are Silver triples and the cassette is Shimano 9 speed 12-36. Handlebars are Bosco, 58 cm captain and 55 cm stoker. Wheels are Velocity Tandem build sold by Rivendell and the tires are plump G-One All Around. We are fairly experienced tandemers (sp?) if that is even a word. Our first tandem was a Burley Rumba with Soft-ride that we purchased 10 years ago. Then 5 years ago we added a Co-Motion Speedster. Those are both fine tandems but the Hubbuhubbah is far superior in my experience and opinion. We live in Amish country in Mid-Michigan and ride lots of rough paved and unpaved roads. The stable handling and fat tires on the Hubbuhubbuh makes piloting a tandem a dream. We initially thought that the upright seating and high handlebars would limit this bike to short rides but we often find ourselves taking longer exertions due to the comfortable ride and easy handling. Last fall we rode the 36 mile Barry Roubaix Fall Fondo. This is a casual gravel road outing that follows the same roads as the springtime Barry Roubaix Killer Gravel Road Race in Hastings, Michigan. It's safe to say that we received a lot of positive comments about the tandem during the outing. The bike beautifully handled all of the rough gravel roads and tough hills that the area is known for. (I've attempted to include some pictures from the Fall Fondo ride. Hopefully I will be successful). I was initially hesitant about the Bosco bars but am now a total convert. The handlebars are very comfortable and I don't feel that the riding position affects the speed of the bike at all. If you are on the f

Re: [RBW] Praise for the Hubbuhubbuh tandem

[Robert Tilley]

I should do that. He's out near where I grew up. That would give me an excuse 
to ogle some nice frames as well.

Robert Tilley
San Diego, CA


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Robert,

Last year I took a Bruce Gordon frame into Joe Bell’s shop and he had it cold 
set to 130, checked the alignment, and re-aligned a Trek 720 fork for me all 
for $100 and a six pack (or was it a case?).  I wouldn’t want to fight your 
frame forever.

Bill S
San Diego

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Re: [RBW] Praise for the Hubbuhubbuh tandem

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  I've been meaning to post mine but was waiting for the final parts to come in. Right now I'm just waiting on lights for the SON hub. I am very happy with the way the bike rides. I haven't had chance to get it on the dirt but I bought the frame with dirt rides in mind. Hopefully some off-road touring in the future.I was a bit disappointed that the rear spacing came in at 140 instead of the 145 it was supposed to be. Getting in the rear tire is a pain since I have a disc drag brake and getting the rotor lined up with one hand while trying to spread the dropouts with the other isn't easy.I went with a somewhat typical build but used 9 speed bar ends on Paul thumby mounts and went with Jones Loop bars for the captain. Pictures of mine are here:https://roberttilley.smugmug.com/Bicycles/Rivendell-Hubbuhubbuh-Tandem-2020/i-WnqpXcx/ARobert TilleySan Diego, CA Sent from my BlackBerry - the most secure mobile device   From: mike.line@gmail.comSent: May 17, 2020 12:05 PMTo: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.comReply-to: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.comSubject: [RBW] Praise for the Hubbuhubbuh tandem  I haven't seen a lot of ride reports or comments about Hubbuhubbuhs so I thought I would throw my hat into the proverbial ring. Last year we pre-ordered an orange medium frame Hubbuhubbuh and anxiously anticipated its arrival. Parts purchase and assembly was accomplished via a series of phone calls and emails with Grant and Will at RBW. They of course made excellent recommendations and offered sage advice to guide me through the process. I would consider the build to be typical of Rivendell with the exception of the 9 speed trigger shifter on the right and the disc "drag brake" set up for the stoker. The cranks are Silver triples and the cassette is Shimano 9 speed 12-36. Handlebars are Bosco, 58 cm captain and 55 cm stoker. Wheels are Velocity Tandem build sold by Rivendell and the tires are plump G-One All Around. We are fairly experienced tandemers (sp?) if that is even a word. Our first tandem was a Burley Rumba with Soft-ride that we purchased 10 years ago. Then 5 years ago we added a Co-Motion Speedster. Those are both fine tandems but the Hubbuhubbah is far superior in my experience and opinion. We live in Amish country in Mid-Michigan and ride lots of rough paved and unpaved roads. The stable handling and fat tires on the Hubbuhubbuh makes piloting a tandem a dream. We initially thought that the upright seating and high handlebars would limit this bike to short rides but we often find ourselves taking longer exertions due to the comfortable ride and easy handling. Last fall we rode the 36 mile Barry Roubaix Fall Fondo. This is a casual gravel road outing that follows the same roads as the springtime Barry Roubaix Killer Gravel Road Race in Hastings, Michigan. It's safe to say that we received a lot of positive comments about the tandem during the outing. The bike beautifully handled all of the rough gravel roads and tough hills that the area is known for. (I've attempted to include some pictures from the Fall Fondo ride. Hopefully I will be successful). I was initially hesitant about the Bosco bars but am now a total convert. The handlebars are very comfortable and I don't feel that the riding position affects the speed of the bike at all. If you are on the fence about a Hubbuhubbuh then I say go for it!! You won't regret a single minute spent together on one.  If you are interested in a Burley Rumba as a cheap starter tandem and live within a reasonable distance of Vermontville, MI then send me a message.Cheers,Mike



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Re: [RBW] Re: Sun Protection in Sunny Climes

[Robert Tilley]

Riv used to sell seersucker shirts for hot weather riding. Seersucker is nice 
because the fabric suckers so only bits of it contacts your skin.

I've had over 20 skin cancers surgically removed with one being a melanoma. I 
got lots of sun early in life and it all catches up later. I try and avoid 
being out between 10 & 3 or so but if I do go out I wear spf 50 long sleeve 
shirts and knickers since they cover past my knees. I wear a wide brim hat 
rather than a helmet as well. Ex Officio is one brand of shirts I have that 
have high spf.

Robert Tilley
San Diego, CA

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The sideways pic is swell 

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Re: [RBW] Schwalbe’s Big Apple is a 10-year old tire design. What’s a newer/better alternative?

[Robert Tilley]

  I'll need new tires for my 622 All Rounder soon and will likely go with one of the Rene Herse offerings. The Antelope Hill looks nice and everything I've heard about them has been good. My AR doesn't get a ton of miles so longevity of the tires isn't a huge concern for me.https://www.renehersecycles.com/shop/components/tires/700c/700cx55-antelope-hill-tc/On their blog recently they talked about a new knobby that I may wait for.Robert TilleySan Diego, CA Sent from my BlackBerry - the most secure mobile device   From: bobshar...@gmail.comSent: May 13, 2020 8:34 PMTo: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.comReply-to: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.comSubject: [RBW] Schwalbe’s Big Apple is a 10-year old tire design. What’s a newer/better alternative?  


















The above question requires clarification. I’ll frame
the issues in a long-winded way as they pertain to my situation (since, from my
point of view, it’s all about me). My second- or third-hand 59 Clem Smith Jr.
came to me with 50mm (50-622) Schwalbe Big Apple tires (Performance Line, RaceGuard,
LiteSkin). Now, after about 2500 of my miles and an unknown prior history, it’s
time for new tires.

 

I am not a sophisticated or particularly knowledgeable judge
of tires. I have no depth of experience. However, I like the Big Apple’s virtues: it offers a very comfortable ride, relatively low rolling resistance, longevity,
a good price/value relationship, and an admirable resistance to flats. What’s not
to like, right?

 

But... there's always a but. Schwalbe, with the Big Apple introduction a decade ago,
was a pioneer in the balloon tire movement. And while there have been improvements
and variations in the Big Apple line, one wonders what else has been developed
by Schwalbe and competitors to fill the same niche for comfort, easy rolling, longevity,
value, and flat resistance.

 

To further narrow the question, my riding conditions consist
mainly of rails-to-trails mileage, around town use on paved and gravel roads,
and very limited use on light-duty off-road bike trails. Although my Clem is rather a
heavyweight, even among Clems, with me on board we are still safely below its maximum
GVWR, if there is such a thing for bikes. My riding days range from 10-40 miles
with very occasional longer ventures. My riding is more relaxed than aggressive. Knobbies
and gravel tires don’t seem necessary. I want comfort, easy rolling, value,
durability and flat resistance. Finally, I have a generalized impression that
lighter tires will be more satisfactory than heavier, other things being equal.

 

To get to the point of this long story, I’m seeking
advice from those with more experience. I’m looking at widths from 50-55mm,
maybe up to 60mm although I have to
consider fender clearance. And this will be simply a choice of tires, not a tube
vs. tubeless choice – I’m staying with tubes, And, this is not a quest for new
tire and wheel combinations. Here’s what I’ve gleaned after spelunking among
the archives:

 

· 
The Big Apple is still a fine choice, but it’s
no lightweight

· 
The Schwalbe Big Ben seems to be more of
everything the Big Apple offers, including more weight

· 
The Schwalbe Big One, in its several iterations,
seems more fragile, less durable and more costly – although its other features
are admirable

· 
The Maxxis Torch 29x2.1 looks interesting, and
is a good bit wider – yet lighter – than Big Apples, but I haven’t seen many
reviews

· 
The Kenda tires that come standard on the Clem
seem to be held in low regard

· 
Many of the highly-touted and rather costly specialist
tires seem more fragile and/or less long-lived than the Big AppleThe question is, what tire make and model would you recommend for my combination of priorities and riding conditions? Or, should I just order another set of Big  Apples and call it a day? Thanks for any insights and the patience of the reader.LeRoy









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Re: [RBW] Re: Joe's Custom

[Robert Tilley]

Very nice! Grant did say get those bars up and those are definitely up. I'm 
really liking that seat cluster!

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It's here, live and in color!

On Thursday, April 30, 2020 at 5:30:32 PM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
> That might work, Roberta. I just need the see it live in person and built up 
> first..even to my "love the neons" eyes I'm a little surprised how *bright* 
> the red looks. I don't want to overdo it with red parts, too, but we'll see. 
> As Leah says, how can you have too much red??! 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Joe's Custom

[Robert Tilley]

Great color choice and an amazing paint job as usual. I visited Joe's shop 
years ago since he's local and still remember seeing all the Riv and Sachs 
frames there waiting for paint. I need to go back...

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On Tuesday, April 28, 2020 at 8:54:51 PM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
> Who wants to see pretty Joe Bell paint on a custom Rivendell 
> not-quite-a-mixte? You do, that's who!*
>
> *pics sent from JB, I don't have the frame yet

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Re: [RBW] Re: New member with old Riv

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  I like Moustache bars. I swapped between those and drops regularly on my All Rounder when I rode it more. Right now it has Moustache bars on it. Adding the stoker levers made it a better option for me since that added an additional, more upright, position. Here are my bars as they are currently set up:https://roberttilley.smugmug.com/Bicycles/Rivendell-All-Rounder/i-2gmKw6T/ARobert TilleySan Diego, CA Sent from my BlackBerry - the most secure mobile device   From: bertin...@gmail.comSent: April 27, 2020 4:23 PMTo: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.comReply-to: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: [RBW] Re: New member with old Riv  I've tried the (original model) moustache bars on 6 to 8 different bikes over the years -- last on the Hon Solo before swapping for shortened Surly Open bar -- in all sorts of positions, and found them most tolerable -- still not very tolerable -- when positioned forward and low like my drop bars; sufficent reach to bar, with sufficient saddle setback, kept excessive weight off my hands. But the M bar lacks -- what is essential for me -- the mid-way ramps position and the sit-up flats position of drop bars.On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 5:00 PM Jason Fuller  wrote:Oh wow, that's beautiful.  Naches Pass I assume?  It's making me second-guess my decision to go with fatter tires / fenders on my Clem instead of those.  I feel like 95% of people who try moustache bars come to the same conclusion. I'm not sure if it's because you need a super short stem to make them work, that road levers just don't work very well in this orientation, -- ---Patrick MooreAlburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum



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Re: [RBW] Re: Camping bikes

[Robert Tilley]

When we rode the White Rim Road in Utah there was no accessible water to filter 
so we also carried 13L each in with us. I added a rack to my bike for that trip 
and strapped a 10L dromedary bag on top and also carried a 3L hydration 
bladder. I'd much rather carry a filter but we had no choice on that trip.

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13 L of water- wow!!

On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 8:10 AM David Baldi  wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> I love camping with the Medium saddlesack. I have enough just enough 
> clearance to run the bag without any support (first run 59 Clem, PBH 90.5), 
> but I have a Mark's rack back there now and like having the extra stability. 
> I have a cheap Soma rack upfront with a 137 Wald. For a three night trip 
> through the San Rafael's (Bosco pics), I kept lighter stuff in the basket 
> plus one camelback bladder, and lashed stuffsacks to the underside. We had to 
> carry 13 liters each of water on this trip—I taped waterbottle cages 
> everywhere, as you will see, and carried two bladders in the saddlebag, in 
> addition to the camelback up front. No tent, still plenty of room, but heavy! 
> But I was so comfortable the whole time. Weight distribution felt really 
> good. For S24Os I do the more or less the same, without the stuff sacks, and 
> think I will sew a shallow framebag for when I need to bring a tent (I am 
> lashing it to the toptube currently, as in the pictures). I am always 
> surprised how much you can do with saddlebag + basket.
>
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/1vLqhnwyJxNdbyJPA
>
> : )
> David
>
> On Sunday, April 19, 2020 at 9:41:08 PM UTC-4, J L wrote:
>>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> I would love to hear how folks have set up a bike for camping duty. Any sage 
>> advice? I am looking forward to a time where I can ride out from the house, 
>> do one or two overnights, and ride home.
>>
>> Let’s say in this scenario I am doing more than putting stuff in a backpack 
>> or bike basket and going.
>>
>> Jason
>> SF, CA
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Re: [RBW] Replace headset on Clem? Cabin fever?

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  I bought a headset press a while back and have used it twice. I went cheap and bought the Nashbar model which I think I got for $60. I made my own crown race setter using some PVC from Home Depot. That cost only a few dollars.I put it off but a recent project involved installing a 1 1/8" Chris King headset so I bit the bullet and ordered their adapters which were $50. I think it was worth the money to pick these tools up since it means I can take care of these installs myself. Now if I ever need to remove them I'll need some more tools...Robert TilleySan Diego, CA Sent from my BlackBerry - the most secure mobile device   From: daban...@gmail.comSent: April 21, 2020 8:40 AMTo: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.comReply-to: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.comSubject: [RBW] Replace headset on Clem? Cabin fever?  Maybe I'm just getting into bike projects that aren't necessary whatsoever, but I'm interested in swapping up a couple things on my bikes.I've never replaced a headset before, but I'm contemplating upgrading the rinko-style cups that my Clem and wife's Clementine came with for something swankier. Questions:Is this crazy? The current headsets function fine, purely cosmetic.Is this worth it to me to buy the proper tools? I likely won't have a need to change headset aside from these two bikes. Some sort of diy tools?Or should I just let my LBS take care of this?The main reason I'm thinking about this is I added a Silver2 shifter/mount as a headset spacer (works great) and the wider headset cup looks out of place now that everything's a bit cluttered.Photo here: https://www.instagram.com/p/B-99voyFx5D/Thoughts/ideas/suggestions welcome!David



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Re: [RBW] Camping bikes

[Robert Tilley]

I do like racks and panniers for road tours. I think it works really well. I'm 
thinking I will add my frame bag for road tours as well since it's great place 
to add weight.

For my off-road tours I've been trying to fine tune my setup. Right now I use a 
BxB Goldback on the bars, a Porcelain Rocket frame bag and a set of Porcelain 
Rocket micro panniers on the rear. These are basically slings that hold dry 
bags. I have used a large Arkel seat bag and like it but felt that small 
panniers may work better for me. I also have a number of anything cages I can 
add if needed.

I have actually gone back to having racks front and rear on my bikepacking 
bike. I like them since they make the bike more versatile and my racks have 
mounts for anything cages on both sides. I don't care much about weight 
although lighter is better. The racks are worth the weight for me.

My current off-road platform is here:

https://roberttilley.smugmug.com/Bicycles/Tumbleweed-Prospector/i-GnrcTkw/A

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Hello all,

I would love to hear how folks have set up a bike for camping duty. Any sage 
advice? I am looking forward to a time where I can ride out from the house, do 
one or two overnights, and ride home.

Let’s say in this scenario I am doing more than putting stuff in a backpack or 
bike basket and going.

Jason
SF, CA

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Re: [RBW] Frame color!

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  I love my sage green Riv but the 2nd choice for me was the color Riv used to call their "standard" color. It was that metallic light blue/silver. I always thought that looked good. Not sure if that could be done with powder though.I really like the blue/grey color on bikes and it has been on a few autos lately. Like the Subaru color they call "cool gray khaki". That one looks really good in person and I think it would look great on a bike frame.I agree yellow is a bad choice for bikes. I own two due to either no other color option or it being the lesser of two evils. Yellow bikes really show any dirt or grease on the frame.Robert TilleySan Diego, CA Sent from my BlackBerry - the most secure mobile device   From: bertin...@gmail.comSent: April 18, 2020 7:56 AMTo: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.comReply-to: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.comSubject: [RBW] Frame color!  Chauncey just texted me saying that the powder coater is out of the near-match to the "sage green" that Joe Bell used for my 2003 custom -- frame later modified by Chauncey with the color in the photo below.I've asked him to see if the coater can order more, but while I wait on tenterhooks (is that metaphor appropriately applied? Weren't tenterhooks used for processing wool?), I ask y'all: what color would you choose for a new road frame to be built with color matched racks, silver VO fenders, and silver components? -- oh, and I like red accents: bar tape and panniers.Orange won't do b/c I like red, red won't do b/c I don't like red frames; no black or white -- bleh! I have Ford Blue already -- beautiful! -- and Forest Green. No turquoise or pink. Yellow, blech. Should be a color that is readily available in touch up quantities.Tell me what you think so that I can complain about your suggestion.Patrick "the only color for a Riv with fenders is Sage Green" Moore-- ---Patrick MooreAlburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum



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Re: [RBW] Re: Clem H + Xtracycle

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 That wasn't my experience with the Xtracycle cargo bikes. I owned a Big Dummy for a number of years and then sold that in order to buy a Tern Cargo Node which used the Xtracycle Leap kit. Both of these rode very well even with heavy loads.I did use wideloaders or U-bars on my bikes and kept the heavier items as low as possible which may have helped. Now I'm using a Tern GSD but I do miss the longer Xtracycle cargo area. If I had room I'd have a Big Fat Dummy for sure.Robert TilleySan Diego, CA Sent from my BlackBerry - the most secure mobile device   From: gbrugu...@gmail.comSent: April 17, 2020 9:17 AMTo: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.comReply-to: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.comSubject: [RBW] Re: Clem H + Xtracycle  I haven't had experience with the Xtracycle Leap kit, but I did use the Free Radical kit quite extensively.  Once I gave a friend who weighs ~90 lbs a ride on the back and it was dangerous and scary.  All the twist and flex in the back sent the front end to and fro unpredictably.  Pedaling a straight line was practically impossible.   Although that was an extreme case, IME ~30 lbs loads were the limit, after which the bike would become too wobbly.  I've heard that the Leap is more rigid than the Free Radical, but I am skeptical that the improvements are such that they beat an actual cargo frame like the BD or BFD in terms of rigidity.  After that experience I got a BFD-- the 26" fat tire version.  The first thing I did was give a friend, ~150 lbs, a ride around the parking lot, and though there was some wobble it was manageable, and I could pedal a straight line.  I've attached a photo of ~60 lbs of cargo, which I pedaled trouble free around 2.5 miles home.  So my suggestions for increased safety would be a BFD or BD over the Xtracycle.  I don't have enough experience with bike trailers to offer any suggestions.



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Re: [RBW] Flying discs

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  Aerobies are the best. We got really good at them and used to play on a football field. 100 yard throws perfectly accurate.  The only time they suck is when you throw one off target because you'll be chasing it a good long way. I learned about Aerobies at a football game at San Diego stadium. They demonstrated them by throwing them from the field up and over the top of the stadium.I did buy the metal filter Riv sold for the Aeropress. It's nice not dealing with the paper filters.Robert TilleySan Diego, CA Sent from my BlackBerry - the most secure mobile device   From: jack.keosh...@gmail.comSent: April 17, 2020 1:16 PMTo: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.comReply-to: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: [RBW] Flying discs  Just as getting an Aeropress a decade or so ago killed my interest in Starbucks, getting a large size Aerobie a couple of years ago (wanted one since I was a kid) killed any interest in messing about with a Frisbee-style flying disc. The Aerobie is in a totally different league and hugely more fun, very highly recommended! The Aerobie is probably much less tolerant of dog chewing though, so there is that.Cheers,-Jack K.On Friday, April 17, 2020 at 3:03:46 PM UTC-4, velomann wrote:I know some folks are already familiar with this, but Alan Adler, the inventor of the Aerobie, is also the inventor of the Aeropress. Which Rivelo (but not Rivendell) sold. Or tried to sell - I don't think that was a successful product for them.Mike MOn Thursday, April 16, 2020 at 11:01:01 PM UTC-7, Robert Tilley wrote:Nice! I don't remember Riv selling those. I love Aerobies and if Riv offered up a branded one of those I'd buy some. Not much room on an Aerobie for a logo though...Robert TilleySan Diego, CASent from my BlackBerry - the most secure mobile device  Original Message  From: cbala...@gmail.comSent: April 15, 2020 7:16 AMTo: rbw-owne...@googlegroups.comReply-to: rbw-owne...@googlegroups.comSubject: [RBW] Flying discsThe kid and I have rediscovered our love of flying discs during all of 'this'. Combined with cycling, it makes for a healthy substitute for PE. My oldish RBW flying disc has found a couple dog teeth over the years, but still flies true. Would be wonderful if RBW brought these back.--You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/e3414bd6-3015-4020-a5e8-563d91131361%40googlegroups.com.



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Re: [RBW] Re: Of Bikes and Bread

[Robert Tilley]

  Something tells me every time a picture of a loaf of bread is posted Grant eats a pound of bacon. I tried a few times to pick up some flour here but the shelves have been empty for weeks. I need to seek out a local mill I think.Robert TilleySurviving on corporate bread in San Diego, CA Sent from my BlackBerry - the most secure mobile device   From: japhilip4...@gmail.comSent: April 16, 2020 4:16 PMTo: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.comReply-to: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.comSubject: [RBW] Re: Of Bikes and Bread  Here's mine.On Monday, January 20, 2020 at 6:43:23 PM UTC-5, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:This is a bike story that starts out as a school lunch story. 

School lunch is always a crapshoot - we all remember the days, don’t we? The rise and fall of my elementary school happiness could be determined by the menu in the school cafeteria. Would it be the celebrated chicken patty on a bun? Or would we suffer through the dreaded sauerkraut and sausage? Yes, school lunch is a crapshoot alright, and all the more so if you come from a religious background that necessitates a vegetarian tray. 

My son, whom we’ll call #TheClemRider, sits next to one such kid, who we’ll call E. Inevitably, the evil trolls of the school lunch program will serve  E something decidedly non-veg - like a hamburger. E will dump his tray and look longingly into #TheClemRider’s lunchbox of fresh and homemade things and beg a morsel or two. #TheClemRider, who has a golden heart, will always share. And sometimes, we pack extra for E. And this is the pattern we have had for their entire 8th grade year.

The thing that E wants most out of my son’s lunchbox is his sourdough bread. I’ve been baking sourdough for years, and I use it to make the boys’ sandwiches. So much does E love this bread that he asked for the recipe. If you know about sourdough, you know you’ve got to have and keep a starter. So, I finagled a way to send the recipe and the starter with #TheClemRider. The first day, E threw the starter in the trash. He would need to clear this with his mother, he said, so she wouldn’t “think it was crack.” On our second attempt, the starter made it home with E where he attended to it and promptly killed it. He came back to my son asking for a 3rd dose of starter. 

I said no more. New deal: E comes to our house and I will give him a one-on-one lesson in my kitchen and THEN send him home with his 3rd attempt. Surprisingly, E agreed. 

E told #TheClemRider that he is not the only one who bikes - he considers himself *quite* accomplished and rides his bike all over his neighborhood. Killer Hill would not be a big deal for him. It’s a school holiday, and E got permission to ride his bike to our house and get his sourdough lesson. 

But what stands between E and his sourdough lesson is a monster we call Killer Hill. Killer Hill is a mile long punisher with several hundred feet of elevation gain. The roadies use it as a challenging workout. The rest of the population avoids it. We use it to get to and from school. We know the burning of lungs and straining of legs required to conquer Killer Hill. I am not optimistic.

#TheClemRider worries. He knows the trials of that hill and has rarely seen any other kid ride it. He told E he would bike down to E’s neighborhood and ride up Killer Hill with him. I wonder what type of bike E will be using, and if he can carry anything. I tell #TheClemRider to look out for E at the crossings for the side neighborhoods.  I have been told I am not allowed to check on them - #TheClemRider was very strict about this - but I’m tracking his iPhone and they appear to be moving very, very, VERY slowly.

***Update! They have arrived! E made a fine showing with a final burst of speed at the end, and then, heaving, asked me, “HOW do you DO that hill?!? That was terrifying.” 

Gotta go, Friends. We’ve got sourdough to make!

 




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Re: [RBW] Flying discs

[Robert Tilley]

Nice! I don't remember Riv selling those. I love Aerobies and if Riv offered up 
a branded one of those I'd buy some. Not much room on an Aerobie for a logo 
though...

Robert Tilley
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The kid and I have rediscovered our love of flying discs during all of 'this'. 
Combined with cycling, it makes for a healthy substitute for PE. My oldish RBW 
flying disc has found a couple dog teeth over the years, but still flies true. 
Would be wonderful if RBW brought these back.

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Re: [RBW] Re: first impressions of Atlantis

[Robert Tilley]

  I put 27.5 G-One's on a recent tandem build. I only have a couple of shakedown rides on it so far but I have been very happy with how the G-One's roll on pavement. I'm not feeling much resistance at all but it's tough to compare to other tires since a tandem riding experience has so many other differences to the singles I'm used to riding.My intended use for this bike is for mixed terrain use so it will see off-road use. I hope to get the G-One's on dirt once the rain stops and the trails dry out. And the trails open again...Robert TilleySan Diego, CA Sent from my BlackBerry - the most secure mobile device   From: bertin...@gmail.comSent: April 11, 2020 9:58 AMTo: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.comReply-to: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: [RBW] Re: first impressions of Atlantis  I on the contrary will be interested to hear how the G-Ones roll on pavement. I've got a stash of the predecessor Big Ones -- these have even smaller "knobs" -- "knoblets" is a better word -- but in the event that I live long enough to outlast my stash, I wonder if the G-One replacement will roll as unresistedly on pavement and firm dirt as its predecessor, which, I read, was reported by Schwalbe to be its fastest rolling tire in the entire product line, not excluding road racing tires, after it first appeared on the market.I've designed the Matthews to feel as much like a fast road bike on pavement while still accommodating our silty riverine bosque sand; this means almost 30" tall 60 mm tires with largely road tread run at low pressures. The Big Ones shine at this -- note again, road bias, so I accept loss of dirt traction for road speed. I wonder if those G Ones might give a bit more grip on dirt while remaining fast on pavement.On Sat, Apr 11, 2020 at 10:20 AM Michael Cinibulk  wrote:I’d be interested in hearing more about how the G-One Allrounds do off road and what kind of trails you ride. 

I’ve been thinking of putting them on my Jones SWB since I ride quite a bit on road and rarely ride on trails when they are muddy and don’t feel like knobbies are really needed for the riding I do. 

Thanks,
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Bellbrook OH

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Re: [RBW] Shinshields?

[Robert Tilley]

 Rainlegs make a similar product although no calf coverage it looks like. Maybe Rainlegs along with a pair of gaiters on the calves?https://www.rainlegs.com/en/about.htmlRobert TilleyIn very rainy San Diego, CA Sent from my BlackBerry - the most secure mobile device   From: clankbonesh...@gmail.comSent: April 10, 2020 8:42 AMTo: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.comReply-to: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.comSubject: [RBW] Shinshields?  I was up at 3:30 this morning (I couldn't sleep) and was flipping through some old Riv material and came across Shinshields in the 20th catalog (http://notfine.com/rivreader/Catalogs/RivCatalog20.pdf pg. 77). The copy reads:"It's for poncho wearers who want to keep their lower legs dry without wearing rain pants. One size fits all calves, and they're orange. At current sales rates, we have a ten-year supply. When we run out, that's it. Orange, with Velcro and reflectors."Alas, these seem to be no more and I missed out. I have a pair of Clem OS pedals (one has some scuffs from laying the bike down) or a pair of Shimano 105 aero levers (nice condition ) to trade if anyone has a pair they are willing to get rid of. I also have a scuffed up Ritchey seatpost (27.2) to throw in with either to "sweeten" the deal if needed.  Lemme know. 



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Re: [RBW] Wildlife on the streets during Stay At Home

[Robert Tilley]

We had an enormous raccoon walk through our backyard the other day. We are up 
against an open space so not uncommon but he was huge. I went out to check him 
out and he wasn't too concerned about me.  We also had a mountain lion attack a 
child in daylight with numerous adults around which is odd behavior for a lion. 
That was in an extra open space I commuted year round through so half the year 
in the dark. 

Luckily we have no bears close to us here. Lots of coyotes, bobcats, deer, 
owls, hawks... a lot of rabbits as well which should keep most of the predators 
less interested in us.

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I've been seeing a lot of reports of wildlife reclaiming the empty streets as 
we self-quarantine from COVID19, so I wanted to address it with us riders. In 
California mountain lions were already becoming more commonplace as the suburbs 
continue to branch out into their homes, and this will certainly exacerbate 
now. I'm posting the mountain lion instructions here, but please be aware of 
bears and any wildlife in general, wherever you are. The streets have gone 
quiet and they may not expect you to show up on your bike. Eyes forward!

http://www.backcountryattitude.com/mountain-lion-safety.html

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Re: [RBW] Silver2 shifter mounts have arrived

[Robert Tilley]

  Nice! I could have used these on an in-process build but the 9-speed Dura Ace on Paul mounts will have to do for now.Robert TilleySan Diego, CA Sent from my BlackBerry - the most secure mobile device   From: dougpn...@gmail.comSent: April 2, 2020 5:30 PMTo: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.comReply-to: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.comSubject: [RBW] Silver2 shifter mounts have arrived  Just ordered a pair of these:https://www.rivbike.com/products/z558mz-cnv-oialk?variant=31168895975535_source=esc_medium=email_campaign=nowbackinstockNow we can all stop fiddling with work-arounds.  Can't wait to get these installed.dougP



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Re: [RBW] Wald Bag

[Robert Tilley]

  I just received a BXB Goldback saddlebag to use as part of my bikepacking setup. I have had many Carradice and Riv saddlebags over the years and still have a bunch but I think this one is the most well thought out and I can't find any flaws in the construction.Is it worth the $100 or so premium over a Nelson Longflap? I think so but I like bags and am willing to pay a bit more for minor improvements. Which is why I own a Riv or two I guess. I doubt I'll ever own any Berthoud bags but I definitely appreciate their work. Beautiful bags. I am missing a Wald bag in my bag pile so maybe it's time to get that hole filled.Robert TilleySan Diego, CA Sent from my BlackBerry - the most secure mobile device   From: sini...@msn.comSent: April 7, 2020 2:17 PMTo: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.comReply-to: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: [RBW] Wald Bag  I also think that Swift. Outer Shell, Ruthworks, ILE, etc. are priced to allow livable wages where the bag makers live, which I think is a very important factor.FranklynOn Tuesday, April 7, 2020 at 12:56:42 PM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:Probably. I think Swift is priced on par with other USA bagmakers at similar quality and size levels. 



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Re: [RBW] Who needs a custom?

[Robert Tilley]

I ordered my custom a long time ago. I wanted an All Rounder bicycle in 700c 
with cantis. At the time Riv didn't offer anything off the shelf. A few years 
after I got my custom they started offering the Atlantis which would have given 
me 95% of what I wanted in my custom.

Today I'd likely go with one of the standard Riv offerings since I'm fairly 
average in size and tend to fit off the shelf bikes fine. I would really miss 
the fancy lugs and the Joe Bell paint though. It's been 20 years since I got 
mine delivered and I still love looking at that paint.

Robert Tilley
San Diego, CA



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I've banged this drum elsewhere and I figure since I'm about to accept delivery 
on one myself, I should ask and answer the question myself and see what others 
have to say.

I had a few things involved: 1. The basal arthritis (so far predominantly in my 
right hand) has become enough of an issue that I can only ride bolt upright. I 
even tried recumbents again but I just can't stick with them. 2. I saw a custom 
on the Rivbike site that wasn't quite a diamond frame but not quite a mixte, 
the toptube was somewhere in-between. I liked that look for a low-stepover 
frame. 3. I'm not getting any younger (57) and my hand is telling me my "ride a 
bike every day" years are numbered, so it was time to jump if I was ever going 
to get that Rivendell Custom I've always dreamed of. I asked Grant to design 
one that would get them Boscos way up there.

I'd love to hear other's thoughts, plus this thread will serve as a spot for 
pics of my new frame when it arrives. Who needs a custom?

Joe "I do I do!" Bernard
Marin County CA. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Roof-topping a Clem L

[Robert Tilley]

1Up did just put out the Wheel Stop accessory for helping secure bikes with 
fenders. It looks like this clamps against the rear of the front wheel and 
helps stabilize the bike. You still need the rear arm to rest against the rear 
fender but it may need to be less firm? The Fender Cushion would also help 
there.

https://www.1up-usa.com/product/wheel-stop/

https://www.1up-usa.com/product-category/accessories/page/2/

I have been trying to figure out a rack solution for myself since I will have a 
tandem to carry soon. I think I'll be going for the 1Up heavy duty rack. They 
offer a tray extension that will allow the tandem to fit. I'd likely only carry 
the tandem on my camper van which is wide enough to not have the tandem stick 
out past the vehicle much. It would be inside the width of the mirrors.

Robert Tilley
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I'd buy a double 1-UP if I knew they could be adjusted to fit my Sam Hillborne 
and my wife's Clem L. Problem is--both have SKS fenders.    Otherwise, what are 
my chances of obtaining a tilting rack for two bikes with fenders?

Dave in Kansas

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Re: [RBW] Re: MUSA Pants

[Robert Tilley]

  I received mine and the L was a good choice for my 33" waist. I was a bit surprised about the lack of a zipper on them. I can see that being an issue the first time I'm wearing them after drinking a Super Big Gulp.Robert TilleySan Diego, CA Sent from my BlackBerry - the most secure mobile device   From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.comSent: March 20, 2020 11:03 AMTo: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.comReply-to: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.comSubject: [RBW] Re: MUSA Pants  I'm 5'11", 32" waist and the Mediums are a little tight. I'd probably have been better off with a large.On Friday, March 20, 2020 at 1:21:58 AM UTC-4, Dan Kretzer wrote:What can you tell me about the fit of the current MUSA long pants now back in stock? (the tapered ones)Always find buying clothes online risky. Most Riv stuff is cut generously but I'm probably at the upper end of the XL.(235 Lbs 36-38 waist depending on cut, 6'3")-Dan



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Re: [RBW] Semi OT post? - What bike would you take to the Himalayan foothills? And would you even go?

[Robert Tilley]

  I'd take my Tumbleweed Prospector if I was in that situation. 3" 27.5 tires and a Rohloff so I'd be ready for anything plus I'd have something to tour on if that opportunity came up.Robert TilleySan Diego, CA Sent from my BlackBerry - the most secure mobile device   From: addisonwilh...@gmail.comSent: March 22, 2020 7:05 AMTo: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.comReply-to: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.comSubject: [RBW] Semi OT post? - What bike would you take to the Himalayan foothills?  And would you even go?  I hope you all will indulge me in this dilemma my wife and I are facing.  FIrst the on topic part of the question. My wife and I are both international educators and have been offered positions at an elite private school in Mussoorie, India, for the next school year (it’s a two year contract).  Here is the school’s website if curious:  https://www.woodstockschool.in/This place is pretty amazing and has a long storied history.  It seems the place to have my Rivendell AllRounder and a mountain bike.  I’d really miss a roadie style bike but there is a limit to how much we could take.  Side question:  I’m remembering reading a great book on touring in the himalayas written by a young woman but can’t seem to find it.  Anybody remember the book I may be remembering?Anyway, which bike would you take to such a place?  The tool should match the location right?  I sure would miss my Della Santa though.  Wondering if my fatter tired DS (it takes a 33 width tire) might be worth taking.The real dilemma is with the current state of the world, would you even take the job and go.  We are in strangely unprecedented times.  The alarmist is me feels like getting there when we currently are at a level “4” from the US State Dept and perhaps on the cusp of a global recession at best, and perhaps a full blown depression, makes this an incredibly tough move to even consider.  The adventurer world educator in me thinks this is the opportunity of a lifetime.  Woodstock school is mentioned in some international educator circles as the “dream school” to work at and a “unicorn school.”  Tough to pass up.Staying here in Reno where my wife and I both hold jobs in the school district that are guaranteed/contract jobs with a pension plan (albeit a crappy district and a not great pension plan) is the safe option (maybe, who knows in these times).  Or perhaps a remote village in India is the safer move?  It’s a different perspective on life and benefits in terms of the job as well.  For example, even though the pay is much less, the benefits include free housing and all utilities on campus, annual flights for the whole family back to the US, free healthcare/insurance (there is a 24 hour clinic on campus), meals are substantially subsidized, our littlest child would get a nanny and both our kids would get free tuition at the same IB school.  Essentially this means that anywhere from ⅓ to ½ of our pay could be saved every year which amounts to more than we can save now living in the United States on American teacher salaries because we are generally so poorly paid in this country.  The school is it’s own hillside enclave of about 200 acres as you can see on the website, and Mussoorie, where it is located is a touristy town of around 5,000 people.  Not far from Rishikesh if that is helpful for the Beatles fans out there.I realize for many people the idea of moving to a village in India seems crazy even in ideal times.  These are not ideal times.  But what an opportunity.  I’m grappling with it.  Any thoughts, advice, suggestions, from this wise lot as we contemplate and sift through the pros/cons of doing this?Your wise words and thoughts are most appreciated,Addison(In Reno for the time being)Addison Wilhite, M.A. Academy of Arts, Careers and Technology “Blazing the Trail to College and Career Success”Portfolio and Blog



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Re: [RBW] MUSA Pants

[Robert Tilley]

  I'll find out soon. I ordered a pair of L pants yesterday. I have a 33" waist and was worried the M's would have been too small since I am at the upper end of that size. Looks like I won't be able to return them for a different size since all but S are showing as sold out now.Robert TilleySan Diego, CA Sent from my BlackBerry - the most secure mobile device   From: dankret...@gmail.comSent: March 19, 2020 10:21 PMTo: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.comReply-to: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.comSubject: [RBW] MUSA Pants  What can you tell me about the fit of the current MUSA long pants now back in stock? (the tapered ones)Always find buying clothes online risky. Most Riv stuff is cut generously but I'm probably at the upper end of the XL.(235 Lbs 36-38 waist depending on cut, 6'3")-Dan



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Re: [RBW] Re: Group Riding / New Covid-19 World

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  I've been riding "seriously" now for 35 years and I have never been hospitalized for anything yet. I also hike, snowboard, paddleboard, etc. and haven't had an injury yet that has caused me to go in. I have crashed and been hit by cars but I was lucky and got out with no serious injuries. The car collision was high speed and I flew over the hood but I got out of it with only some serious bruising and I was at work the next day. But I was young...Now my rides are primarily utility rides for getting stuff done. I have a bike path near my home which allows me to get to most places I need to get to without dealing with traffic. So, based on my past history along with my low risk routes, I don't see an issue with me going out and riding as normal. I won't be mountain biking for a while even though I've never had an issue doing it. There is a greater chance of getting hurt so I won't risk that yet.Robert TilleySan Diego, CA Sent from my BlackBerry - the most secure mobile device   From: tapebu...@gmail.comSent: March 19, 2020 6:37 AMTo: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.comReply-to: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.comSubject: [RBW] Re: Group Riding / New Covid-19 World  This thought is weighing on me as well. I ride solo >95% of the time. Two very old and very dear friends wanted to get together for a leisurely ride, and I begged off for this reason. It's an extremely low risk, but if one of us crashes, and needs to go to the ER, I just don't want to be a burden to the system. I can reduce that already small likelihood by not riding. As a result, the two of them went for a walk instead. I don't know whether to feel good about it because I marginally decreased risk, or bad about it, because I threw a wet blanket on dear friends wanting a tiny amount of human interaction on our bikes. Bill LindsayEl Cerrito, CAOn Wednesday, March 18, 2020 at 3:54:57 PM UTC-7, Scott Calhoun wrote:There is another perspective on this from Spain. A doctor there (who is also a cyclist) made a video pleading with cyclists not to ride at all in this point in this point in the outbreak as there are simply not doctors and space to handle cycling accidents on top of the virus patients. My daughter lives in Madrid and she and her riding friends are only riding home trainers right now.I'm not suggesting we are there yet, or telling others what to do, but I'm personally only doing solo rides right now. The majority of cycling accidents I've been involved in and know of occured on group rides. Riding solo is risk mitigation. Keeping out of the emergency room helps everybody at least as much as social distancing. Scott CalhounTucson, AZOn Monday, March 16, 2020 at 4:21:11 PM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:People really appreciate the bell on the trail, even more than the usual gushing. Lots of great interactions from a few steps back, as folks release the tensions they have. Interactions are easier now that everyone social distances (which I've long tried to do because of the scents of most peoples laundry, shampoo etc, let alone the effect of unexpected hand on the shoulder. Sardonic grin.).I saw the Bay area is instructed to shelter in place save for food, emergencies, care of others, and exercise. Time for some long rides to the middle of nowhere, aye?With abandon,Patrick 



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Re: [RBW] Sycamore Canyon is a perfect place

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  I'm thinking it's the Sycamore Canyon in San Diego. I used to ride there quite bit:https://www.alltrails.com/trail/us/california/sycamore-canyon-preserveRobert TilleySan Diego, CA Sent from my BlackBerry - the most secure mobile device   From: tyrone.calla...@gmail.comSent: March 9, 2020 8:30 AMTo: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.comReply-to: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: [RBW] Sycamore Canyon is a perfect place  Looks like Los Angeles (Santa Monica Mountains).On Monday, March 9, 2020 at 5:24:51 AM UTC-7, Keith Swanson wrote:That is a perfect place!  Where is it?Sent from my iPhoneOn Mar 8, 2020, at 9:31 PM, Matt  wrote:https://photos.app.goo.gl/y7e7u46TpBryriXe9



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Re: [RBW] Re: Knicker Quest

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  I own a few pairs of the Ferrosi 3/4 pants and really like them. The only thing I wish they had was a built-in belt. I have a couple pairs of long-ago discontinued Mountain Hardwear knickers that have a cinch belt and I really like that feature. I should have stocked up on those while they were still made.Think I will buy a couple more Ferrosi's for the stash in case they get scarce.Robert "woulda, shoulda, coulda" TilleySan Diego, CA Sent from my BlackBerry - the most secure mobile device   From: lefebea...@gmail.comSent: March 2, 2020 9:05 AMTo: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.comReply-to: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.comSubject: [RBW] Re: Knicker Quest  I've put a lot of miles on a pair of Outdoor Research 3/4 Ferrosi pants - liked them so much I just bought another pair. Check 'em out: https://www.outdoorresearch.com/us/mens?or_product_type=117_list_limit=allPros: rugged, breathable in heat yet oddly comfortable in cool weather, don't absorb a lot of water, dry fast, reasonably flat seams, plenty of length below knee with a flexible elastic cord closure that can be left open if it heats up; not noticeably noisy fabric when walking; Cons: synthetic fabric may not appeal to some; fabric does pill a bit after a lot of use; rear pockets could use zippers (which the full-length version of this pant has), and zippered R side thigh pocket may be too small to be very useful. I mostly ride in these or their shorts in warm weather since deciding I'm done with Spandex. Full disclosure - I get OR stuff at a discount since I work in Conservation so their stuff may be more attractive to me than it is to you.Slightly off-topic but related - can anyone recommend good knee-high socks to wear with these for cooler weather? 



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Re: [RBW] Regarding Long Chains

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  This is good info. I'd forgotten that replacement pins are available.  I'll be using KMC chains and I bet Shimano pins would work. I have extra quick links now so I'll use those first but will probably pick up some pins to have on hand.Robert TilleySan Diego, CA Sent from my BlackBerry - the most secure mobile device   From: ed.caroli...@gmail.comSent: March 1, 2020 11:09 AMTo: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.comReply-to: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: [RBW] Regarding Long Chains  A second quick link works to join two chains but Shimano offers replacement chain pins if you want a cleaner look. Here's the 9 speed version:  https://www.jensonusa.com/Shimano-9-Speed-Chain-Pins-Set-Of-3I made the mistake of reusing a pin when I assembled my first superlong chain for a Surly Big Dummy and the link popped when I started up at a light. Just happened to be carrying 50 lbs of gear that day and didn't happen to bring along a chain tool...Also, to add to Bill's list, I use the leftover chain, along with a sacrificial tube, to secure saddles on bikes I plan to lock up. There I do re-use the pin since the chain isn't really being stressed.--Ed C.On Sunday, March 1, 2020 at 10:15:50 AM UTC-8, Robert Tilley wrote:  Are you just using quick-connects to splice the chains? So two quick-connects per finished chain? I need to create a couple of long chains and this was my plan. Mine will be 9-speed and I understand the pins on those should not be reused.Robert TilleySan Diego, CA 



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Re: [RBW] Regarding Long Chains

[Robert Tilley]

Thanks! This will be on a tandem but, even as a team, we won't be putting out 
the power that an electric rear hub would. 

Robert "low torque" Tilley
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Robert, that's what I do. Technically I suppose you're not supposed to use two 
quick-links because it introduces another weak spot, but I have it on a Clem 
with an electric rear hub and haven't had a problem. There's some serious 
stress going through there.

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Re: [RBW] Regarding Long Chains

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  Are you just using quick-connects to splice the chains? So two quick-connects per finished chain? I need to create a couple of long chains and this was my plan. Mine will be 9-speed and I understand the pins on those should not be reused.Robert TilleySan Diego, CA Sent from my BlackBerry - the most secure mobile device   From: tapebu...@gmail.comSent: March 1, 2020 8:24 AMTo: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.comReply-to: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.comSubject: [RBW] Regarding Long Chains  If you have a long chainstay bike like a MIT Atlantis or a Clem, etc, you'll need a chain longer than a regular 116 link chain.  There are a few ways to get this done:1. Some people like me stock up on chains, and when they need a long one they splice two together, and go.  The massive excess on chain #2 becomes the next donor for the next time I need a chain.  I get roughly 4 long chains out of 5 real chains.   2. Some people buy two chains, make one long chain, and discard or mislay the excess.  Some of those people complain about how Rivendells are twice as expensive to maintain, or point out how it is crazy that Grant shouldn't designs bikes with long chainstays in the first place.  3. Rivendell has a long chain they can sell you https://www.rivbike.com/collections/chains/products/long-chain but it's Out of StockI'm posting this to explain how that long chain thing works.  They have a huge continuous roll of chain.  To get chains "In Stock" somebody just needs to put aside the time to cut 20 lengths off the roll, and put them in ziploc bags.  I went in yesterday, needing a chain for my MIT Atlantis.  Will walked me back there to the roll, cut off a length and tossed it in the bag and sold it to me.  He said "man, I need to make some of these and put them up on the site".  As he was making mine, Vince walked by and said "Oh, good, you're making long chains for the site!"  So if you need a long 9-speed chain, Riv can definitely sell you one.  If it's not in stock, call them up and say "Make 10 and sell me one".  They'll make it happen for you.  Bill LindsayEl Cerrito, CA' Rivendell Bicycle Works has a part number for a long chain:  https://www.rivbike.com/collections/chains/products/long-chain



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Re: [RBW] Re: Act of Thoughtfulness

[Robert Tilley]

  I love the Silky saws. I have this Katanaboy 500 and it tears through decent sized logs:https://www.google.com/url?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.amazon.com%2Fgp%2Fproduct%2FB002GKB5PQ%2Fref%3Doh_aui_search_detailpage%3Fie%3DUTF8%26psc%3D1=D=1=AFQjCNEkwWPZJ289xhQXCSVB_VT9plgXWAI just picked up a smaller one for jobs that don't require the Katanaboy. It would be easily packed on the bike.Robert TilleySan Diego, CA Sent from my BlackBerry - the most secure mobile device   From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.comSent: February 26, 2020 12:07 PMTo: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.comReply-to: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.comSubject: [RBW] Re: Act of Thoughtfulness  Trail fall of trees is always an issue over the miles of back trails. Years ago, I "upgraded" to a Japanese hand saw (cuts on the back cut, not the push cut, allowing for a harder steel that stays sharp a lng time). Silky.This wee one is always on my trail bike and is good for 4" diameter without creativity, up to 10" or so with creativity.https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0014C7XS0/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8=1This longer one works great for up to 22" diameter with creativity.https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0014CA3JQ/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8=1With abandon,PatrickOn Wednesday, February 26, 2020 at 7:55:31 AM UTC-7, Tom Wyland wrote:For a week in the spring I carry around branch loppers (technical name) to cut off branches that extend into the trails and sidewalks that are used by cyclists. I was thinking of upgrading to a rechargeable mini chainsaw this year.  I've had someone stop their car and tell me "I see what you are doing there.. thanks I bike through there all of the time."Tom



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Re: [RBW] Re: Walking boots -- not entirely unrelated to cycling

[Robert Tilley]

+1 on the Merrell Moab's. I have a pair that I really like. They have synthetic 
uppers but are very light, comfortable and have decent grip when hiking.

Robert Tilley
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Patrick, a site I trust is switchbacktravel.com.  They review all kinds of 
hiking gear, and I’ve bought boots, backpacks, and rain gear largely on their 
recommendation.  On light hikers, I currently have two they recommended, 
Merrell Moab and Altra Lone Peak, both great shoes IMO for different purposes.  
They are modern non-leather construction so maybe not for you.  I fully agree 
with others that ankle support isn’t normally needed and may be a hindrance.  I 
would add that the ubiquitous  Gore-Tex linings have their place but I don’t 
care for them as they aren’t effective for very long (maybe a year of steady 
use) but will make your feet sweat as long as you own them.   I live in a rainy 
climate but vastly prefer ventilated boots for much of my hiking.

Jack - Seattle

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Re: [RBW] Re: daily post ur riv

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  Nice! I like the choice of bars on that.I have a HH frame at the house and am just waiting on wheels. Once those are in the build will begin. Robert TilleySan Diego, CA Sent from my BlackBerry - the most secure mobile device   From: ernf...@gmail.comSent: February 13, 2020 12:53 PMTo: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.comReply-to: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.comSubject: [RBW] Re: daily post ur riv  Happy New Bike Day!My wife suffers from several health problems. Her favorite exercise is to go for a bike ride. Several years ago, I hit on the idea of a tandem. We got a used Vigorelli on EBay. Had to be shipped from Cleavland (Thanks Thomas!) and modified. Spent two years riding that bike. Beautiful fillet brazing. Unfortunately, the widest tires I could fit were 38mm. Not bad - but not quite enough volume to handle the ruts and bumps of the East Bay.Thought about a Bilenky Viewpoint. Even went to the shop, rode a Counterpoint (like the Viewpoint - but an earlier model). It's a great shop in a neat area of Philadelphia. Could not convince the wife - even though she loved the idea of the stoker riding in front in a recumbent position.Then I realized she would probably be more comfortable on a Hubbuhubbuh. But I would not be able to convince her unless she could experience it first hand before the purchase. Asked Grant if we could take a ride on his tandem. He graciously agreed. After a ride around the block, she was sold.After navigating some logistical problems, we picked up the bike yesterday. It's currently featured on the Blug: https://rivbike.tumblr.com/post/190809313109/corwins-hubbuhubbuh-this-is-the-first-albastache?_ke=eyJrbF9lbWFpbCI6ICJjemVjaEBzb25pYy5uZXQiLCAia2xfY29tcGFueV9pZCI6ICJMVmI2YUMifQ%3D%3DThe Blug post is incorrect - the headlight is an upside-down Edelux II. We have a Sinewave Revolution (to charge my wife's iPhone) wired to the hub via the Y-Junction featured on Peter White's website. Peter did the wiring himself. Turned out great! Thanks Peter!Just took the bike out for a shakedown ride. About seven miles, almost completely flat. Even though the Hubbuhubbuh is heavier than the old tandem, it's much more stable and I can feel power coming from the stoker with much less effort from my wife. Pretty trivial for her to mount and dismount too.Attached a picture of the old tandem and a couple pics of the new Hubbuhubbuh.Namaste,Corwin



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Re: [RBW] The Bike Snob is getting a Rivendell!

[Robert Tilley]

Tan Tenovo is one of the names he uses for himself at times. Think it was what 
a cop wrote on a ticket he received as the description of the bike he was 
riding when ticketed.

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Wait, I thought Bike Snob was that Eben guy. Who's Tan Tenovo? (I don't read 
the blog)

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