[RBW] Re: West Point Inn Invite - June 22 and 23

[cyclotourist]

And let me clarify, The $150 is for two nights, two dinners, two
breakfasts. Lots of beer. And there's room for more than three more people,
that's just the point where we start running out of bed space. We can
figure out floor options past that.

On Mon, Jun 11, 2018 at 11:11 PM, cyclotourist 
wrote:

> The Southern California Rivendell and Other Fine Velocipede Appreciation
> Society has been renting out the WPI on Mt. Tam for four years now, and
> having a fantastic time eating well, drinking better, talking smack, and
> occasionally riding bikes. This is coming up fast, and we have some room
> available. Three individuals, or couples (preferred) with nothing better to
> do who want to jump on, can do so. Cost is $150 a person/$300 couple.
> Magical views, pretty good people, and one of the most unique locales you
> can come across in the historic West Point Inn
> <https://www.westpointinn.com/>.
>
> Here are some of my pics from the first year we were there:
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/albums/72157661872299170
>
> If you just want to ride up on Saturday and hop on a ride up there, please
> consider yourself invited for that as well
>

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[RBW] West Point Inn Invite - June 22 and 23

[cyclotourist]

The Southern California Rivendell and Other Fine Velocipede Appreciation
Society has been renting out the WPI on Mt. Tam for four years now, and
having a fantastic time eating well, drinking better, talking smack, and
occasionally riding bikes. This is coming up fast, and we have some room
available. Three individuals, or couples (preferred) with nothing better to
do who want to jump on, can do so. Cost is $150 a person/$300 couple.
Magical views, pretty good people, and one of the most unique locales you
can come across in the historic West Point Inn
<https://www.westpointinn.com/>.

Here are some of my pics from the first year we were there:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/albums/72157661872299170

If you just want to ride up on Saturday and hop on a ride up there, please
consider yourself invited for that as well

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[RBW] Re: White Industries 650B front wheel

[cyclotourist]

Wheel has been sold, thank you for the interest!

On Tue, May 22, 2018 at 9:26 AM, cyclotourist 
wrote:

>
>
> -- Forwarded message -
> From: cyclotourist 
> Date: Mon, May 21, 2018, 8:42 PM
> Subject: FS: White Industries 650B front wheel
> To: 
>
>
> Nearly New front wheel. White Industries T11 front hub, Velocity A23
> tubeless ready rim. 32 spoke double-butted, taped and ready for tubeless
> setup. $100 plus shipping via Bike flights with buyer covering shipping.
>



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Re: [RBW] Re: Riv request for store credits

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Good call on that one, Tim!!!

On Thu, Feb 22, 2018 at 2:42 PM, Tim Butterfield 
wrote:

> Don't worry about that Atlantis demo.   It's already gone.
>
>
> I should be receiving it soon.  I guess I can end my discussion of what to
> add to my Homer.
>
> Tim
>
> On Thu, Feb 22, 2018 at 2:38 PM, dougP  wrote:
>
>> CORRECTION:  INCLUDES SEATPOST
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, February 22, 2018 at 2:07:56 PM UTC-8, dougP wrote:
>>>
>>> There's still the 56 cm Atlantis for sale for $2,700.  Complete bike,
>>> less seatpost & seat, for the price of the frame alone.  Someone NEEDS this
>>> bike.
>>>
>>> dougP (already have my Atlantis, but an active enabler on such matters)
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, February 21, 2018 at 4:38:03 PM UTC-8, Chris Birkenmaier
>>> wrote:

 I was just in Ri s website and saw their request for their loyal
 supporters to purchase store credits of $10 units to help through a cash
 flow jump. I promptly purchased some credits. I love this company and am
 happy to help them out. Goodness knows I always find things I want to buy
 from them. While I was doing this I also got an email with the request.
 I’d encourage you all to read your email or visit their website for
 complete details
 Chris
 Who is getting a Roadini to add to the collection
>>>
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Re: [RBW] FS: Nitto Lugged S-84 Seatpost

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To sweeten the pot, I'll throw in a pair of MKS Touring pedals. Used,
original bag, dustcaps are scuffed, spin like butter. What more could you
want to compliment your fancy seatpost!?!!?

The seatpost is amazing BTW. If I had a use for it, I'd keep it.

The $100 does include shipping, so a pretty good deal for both.

Give them to someone you love this holiday season.

On Sun, Nov 26, 2017 at 2:38 PM, cyclotour...@gmail.com <
cyclotour...@gmail.com> wrote:

> In used condition. Low miles though. Some scuffing on post, no zig-zaging.
> Your Rivendell is calling out for this bit of lugged goodness!
> 27.2 X 250mm with a 40mm offset.
>
> $100 shipped to you anywhere in North America (I see you, Canada...).
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: 61cm Rivendell Custom

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Hi all, bike has been sold. Thanks for letting me post here, as well as
helping me through the mourning process!
Grief and loss, but it will be okay... :-)

On Mon, Oct 9, 2017 at 9:49 AM, cyclotour...@gmail.com <
cyclotour...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks Adam, I PM'ed you the info.
>
> Price has dropped on The Bay... would prefer to sell local!
>
>
> On Sunday, October 8, 2017 at 5:12:43 PM UTC-7, adam leibow wrote:
>>
>> David,
>>
>> Regarding that previous message I sent you, I forgot I just broke my
>> phone, so email is best. Thank you!!
>>
>> Adam
>>
>> On Thursday, August 31, 2017 at 7:39:26 AM UTC-7, cyclot...@gmail.com
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> My stunningly beautiful 2001 Joe Stark built, Joe Bell painted, custom
>>> Rivendell with 60.5 X 59 measurements (C to C). Fits 33.33mm Jack Brown
>>> tires. Paint is Rivendell Mithril blue with fancy details in very good
>>> condition. Paint would qualify as excellent except for a few chips on the
>>> right fork leg and one on the top tube (bar flip, errrgh).
>>>
>>>- Lugged Nitto/Rivendell 10cm stem
>>>- Lugged Nitto/Rivendell seatpost
>>>- Nitto 46cm Dirt Drop handlebars
>>>- TA Vega cranks with 110bcd spider and 48/34T TA Zephyr chain rings
>>>- Dura Ace nine speed drivetrain
>>>- Front shifter is a 105 model. No functional difference from DA.
>>>- Dura Ace titanium cassette
>>>- Dura Ace brake calipers (and I'm pretty sure levers as well)
>>>- Dura Ace hubs with Velocity A23 rims and butted spokes (32r/28f)
>>>- Challenge Eroica 700X3C tires with very little wear. Hard to
>>>mount, ride like a dream! Slight surface cracking from lack of use!
>>>- Chris King no logo headset
>>>- King Cage Iris water bottle cages
>>>- Shimano PD A530 pedals
>>>- Brand new SRAM PC 971 chain
>>>
>>> This was built up as a light-weight, go-fast bike. Thin, air-hardened
>>> tubing for light weight and strength at the core of the build. Then I
>>> assembled with well thought-out and light-weight components whenever
>>> possible. There are no rack attachment options, nor have fenders ever been
>>> installed. The Anti-Pillar of Rivendell bikes! That said, it is not a
>>> delicate bike by any means. It is truly the best of both worlds in having a
>>> light-weight, racy bike that you can ride where you want to!
>>>
>>> So if the bike is so perfect, why get rid of it, you ask? As I
>>> mentioned, it is currently one of six bikes, soon to be seven. I have been
>>> riding almost exclusively dirt for the last few years, and when I do ride
>>> roads, I am riding my Salsa with cross tires or set up tubeless with 650B
>>> tires. If I do want a pure road bike, I have my other Rivendell with
>>> thicker tubing and fatter tires. Frankly, that bike is getting nervous as
>>> well...
>>>
>>> What I will miss is the absolute joy of a light-weight road bike that
>>> this bike provides. Hopping on it and riding fast is amazing. My other
>>> bikes (including Riv's) do not compare. I just don't do that frequently
>>> enough to justify keeping this hanging in the garage. And I need to pay for
>>> my newest bike (A Santa Cruz Chameleon, if you're curious).
>>>
>>> I am the second owner, and have owned since March of '08. This was one
>>> of multiple bikes and Rivendell's for the first owner, so he put similar
>>> low miles on it. Always a SoCal bike, zero surface rust or corrosion.
>>> Framesaver applied to frame. It is my second Rivendell custom, and my
>>> fourth Rivendell of any type. One of six bikes currently. It was only used
>>> when I was planning on relatively smooth, fast rides staying (for the most
>>> part) on roads.
>>>
>>> I ran this bike a a 650B conversion as well (second photo below). It
>>> performed perfectly with no issues. Consider that an option if you run a
>>> B-sized fleet and want to add to it.
>>>
>>> Price is $2,200 shipped to your door, minus saddle. If you would like
>>> the Brooks Ti Swift saddle, let's talk.Less for pick up in SoCal, could
>>> possibly be delivered over the Labor Day weekend.
>>>
>>> More pics on request!
>>>
>>> [image: Inline image 1]
>>>
>>> [image: Inline image 2]
>>>
>>> [image: Inline image 3]
>>>
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>>> David
>>>
>>> Member, Supreme Council of Cyberspace
>>>
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>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: 61cm Rivendell Custom

[cyclotourist]

I hate to say it, but my Salsa La Cruz is the road bike I ride pretty much
exclusively. Of my two Riv customs, the all-rounder gets a little bit of
love, but the road I'm selling hasn't been used since December 2016!



On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 3:53 PM, Ryan Fleming <ryanmalloryflem...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> well I certainly hope it finds a good home
>
> Almost seems like one of those Crust bikes might be up your alley
>
> On Sunday, September 3, 2017 at 4:36:23 PM UTC-5, cyclot...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>>
>> Just weighed it this morning, and it comes in at 22.2lbs on the bathroom
>> scale. That's with pedals and cages, but without pump and tool bag.
>> If desired, you could pretty easily get it down to a sub 20lbs bike with
>> a lighter saddle, stem, seatpost and pedals.
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 1, 2017 at 6:37 PM, cyclotourist <cyclot...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I really thought long and hard about it... one of them has to go. I like
>>> this frame and ride more, but the other one fits fatter tires and that fits
>>> my life more. I VERY much considered a B conversion on it, but ended up
>>> riding my Salsa w/ road+ tires/wheels, and am only 1/2 way sold on the
>>> idea. 700C works better for me, although I need tubeless for 'round these
>>> parts. What it comes down to is that I'm just not putting road miles on.
>>> This one came up shortest.
>>>
>>> I can see at some point that along with this one, selling both my other
>>> Riv and Salsa, and then getting a custom that combines the best of all
>>> three: modern threadless steerer on a flexible fork, maybe disc brakes,
>>> clearance for fat tires, light & flexy frame. Means another custom, but
>>> that bike would replace three. That's all down the road a ways, as my head
>>> is in MTB land now. I pretty much only want to ride dirt, and have been
>>> going up to the local mountains (Big Bear) to ride there every weekend.
>>>
>>> So yeah, as everyone can read, I've put some time and thought into this,
>>> and am not doing it on a whim. This will be a great bike for someone, and I
>>> think it is priced very well with all the Nitto parts and quality Dura Ace
>>> components. Yeah, it's nine speed, but it's basically be best nine speed
>>> you can get with Ti cassette, freehub, and TA cranks. Very well thought out
>>> and integrated in one classic package. Just needs to find that right
>>> someone!
>>>
>>> On Fri, Sep 1, 2017 at 9:55 AM, Philip Williamson <philip.w...@gmail.com
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> This is a beautiful bike. I'm a little shocked that it's on the block -
>>>> breaking up the twins!
>>>> I understand the need to get a shed bike out and away, though, and
>>>> under a rider where it belongs. I almost exclusively ride the last bike
>>>> that got a makeover, making me wonder why I have the other three.
>>>>
>>>> Philip
>>>> www.biketinker.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thursday, August 31, 2017 at 1:36:45 PM UTC-7, dougP wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> If anyone has ever dreamed of a custom Rivendell, this is it.  They
>>>>> don't come up often, and I'll bet the wait is many months.
>>>>>
>>>>> dougP
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thursday, August 31, 2017 at 7:39:26 AM UTC-7, cyclot...@gmail.com
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My stunningly beautiful 2001 Joe Stark built, Joe Bell painted,
>>>>>> custom Rivendell with 60.5 X 59 measurements (C to C). Fits 33.33mm Jack
>>>>>> Brown tires. Paint is Rivendell Mithril blue with fancy details in very
>>>>>> good condition. Paint would qualify as excellent except for a few chips 
>>>>>> on
>>>>>> the right fork leg and one on the top tube (bar flip, errrgh).
>>>>>>
>>>>>>- Lugged Nitto/Rivendell 10cm stem
>>>>>>- Lugged Nitto/Rivendell seatpost
>>>>>>- Nitto 46cm Dirt Drop handlebars
>>>>>>- TA Vega cranks with 110bcd spider and 48/34T TA Zephyr chain
>>>>>>rings
>>>>>>- Dura Ace nine speed drivetrain
>>>>>>- Front shifter is a 105 model. No functional difference from DA.
>>>>>>- Dura Ace titanium cassette
>>>>>>- Dura Ace brake calipers (and I'm pretty sure levers as well)
>>>>>>- Dura Ace hubs with Vel

Re: [RBW] Re: FS: 61cm Rivendell Custom

[cyclotourist]

Just weighed it this morning, and it comes in at 22.2lbs on the bathroom
scale. That's with pedals and cages, but without pump and tool bag.
If desired, you could pretty easily get it down to a sub 20lbs bike with a
lighter saddle, stem, seatpost and pedals.

On Fri, Sep 1, 2017 at 6:37 PM, cyclotourist <cyclotour...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I really thought long and hard about it... one of them has to go. I like
> this frame and ride more, but the other one fits fatter tires and that fits
> my life more. I VERY much considered a B conversion on it, but ended up
> riding my Salsa w/ road+ tires/wheels, and am only 1/2 way sold on the
> idea. 700C works better for me, although I need tubeless for 'round these
> parts. What it comes down to is that I'm just not putting road miles on.
> This one came up shortest.
>
> I can see at some point that along with this one, selling both my other
> Riv and Salsa, and then getting a custom that combines the best of all
> three: modern threadless steerer on a flexible fork, maybe disc brakes,
> clearance for fat tires, light & flexy frame. Means another custom, but
> that bike would replace three. That's all down the road a ways, as my head
> is in MTB land now. I pretty much only want to ride dirt, and have been
> going up to the local mountains (Big Bear) to ride there every weekend.
>
> So yeah, as everyone can read, I've put some time and thought into this,
> and am not doing it on a whim. This will be a great bike for someone, and I
> think it is priced very well with all the Nitto parts and quality Dura Ace
> components. Yeah, it's nine speed, but it's basically be best nine speed
> you can get with Ti cassette, freehub, and TA cranks. Very well thought out
> and integrated in one classic package. Just needs to find that right
> someone!
>
> On Fri, Sep 1, 2017 at 9:55 AM, Philip Williamson <
> philip.william...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> This is a beautiful bike. I'm a little shocked that it's on the block -
>> breaking up the twins!
>> I understand the need to get a shed bike out and away, though, and under
>> a rider where it belongs. I almost exclusively ride the last bike that got
>> a makeover, making me wonder why I have the other three.
>>
>> Philip
>> www.biketinker.com
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, August 31, 2017 at 1:36:45 PM UTC-7, dougP wrote:
>>>
>>> If anyone has ever dreamed of a custom Rivendell, this is it.  They
>>> don't come up often, and I'll bet the wait is many months.
>>>
>>> dougP
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, August 31, 2017 at 7:39:26 AM UTC-7, cyclot...@gmail.com
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> My stunningly beautiful 2001 Joe Stark built, Joe Bell painted, custom
>>>> Rivendell with 60.5 X 59 measurements (C to C). Fits 33.33mm Jack Brown
>>>> tires. Paint is Rivendell Mithril blue with fancy details in very good
>>>> condition. Paint would qualify as excellent except for a few chips on the
>>>> right fork leg and one on the top tube (bar flip, errrgh).
>>>>
>>>>- Lugged Nitto/Rivendell 10cm stem
>>>>- Lugged Nitto/Rivendell seatpost
>>>>- Nitto 46cm Dirt Drop handlebars
>>>>- TA Vega cranks with 110bcd spider and 48/34T TA Zephyr chain rings
>>>>- Dura Ace nine speed drivetrain
>>>>- Front shifter is a 105 model. No functional difference from DA.
>>>>- Dura Ace titanium cassette
>>>>- Dura Ace brake calipers (and I'm pretty sure levers as well)
>>>>- Dura Ace hubs with Velocity A23 rims and butted spokes (32r/28f)
>>>>- Challenge Eroica 700X3C tires with very little wear. Hard to
>>>>mount, ride like a dream! Slight surface cracking from lack of use!
>>>>- Chris King no logo headset
>>>>- King Cage Iris water bottle cages
>>>>- Shimano PD A530 pedals
>>>>- Brand new SRAM PC 971 chain
>>>>
>>>> This was built up as a light-weight, go-fast bike. Thin, air-hardened
>>>> tubing for light weight and strength at the core of the build. Then I
>>>> assembled with well thought-out and light-weight components whenever
>>>> possible. There are no rack attachment options, nor have fenders ever been
>>>> installed. The Anti-Pillar of Rivendell bikes! That said, it is not a
>>>> delicate bike by any means. It is truly the best of both worlds in having a
>>>> light-weight, racy bike that you can ride where you want to!
>>>>
>>>> So if the bike is so perfect, why get rid of it, you ask? As I
>>

Re: [RBW] Re: FS: 61cm Rivendell Custom

[cyclotourist]

I really thought long and hard about it... one of them has to go. I like
this frame and ride more, but the other one fits fatter tires and that fits
my life more. I VERY much considered a B conversion on it, but ended up
riding my Salsa w/ road+ tires/wheels, and am only 1/2 way sold on the
idea. 700C works better for me, although I need tubeless for 'round these
parts. What it comes down to is that I'm just not putting road miles on.
This one came up shortest.

I can see at some point that along with this one, selling both my other Riv
and Salsa, and then getting a custom that combines the best of all three:
modern threadless steerer on a flexible fork, maybe disc brakes, clearance
for fat tires, light & flexy frame. Means another custom, but that bike
would replace three. That's all down the road a ways, as my head is in MTB
land now. I pretty much only want to ride dirt, and have been going up to
the local mountains (Big Bear) to ride there every weekend.

So yeah, as everyone can read, I've put some time and thought into this,
and am not doing it on a whim. This will be a great bike for someone, and I
think it is priced very well with all the Nitto parts and quality Dura Ace
components. Yeah, it's nine speed, but it's basically be best nine speed
you can get with Ti cassette, freehub, and TA cranks. Very well thought out
and integrated in one classic package. Just needs to find that right
someone!

On Fri, Sep 1, 2017 at 9:55 AM, Philip Williamson <
philip.william...@gmail.com> wrote:

> This is a beautiful bike. I'm a little shocked that it's on the block -
> breaking up the twins!
> I understand the need to get a shed bike out and away, though, and under a
> rider where it belongs. I almost exclusively ride the last bike that got a
> makeover, making me wonder why I have the other three.
>
> Philip
> www.biketinker.com
>
>
> On Thursday, August 31, 2017 at 1:36:45 PM UTC-7, dougP wrote:
>>
>> If anyone has ever dreamed of a custom Rivendell, this is it.  They don't
>> come up often, and I'll bet the wait is many months.
>>
>> dougP
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, August 31, 2017 at 7:39:26 AM UTC-7, cyclot...@gmail.com
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> My stunningly beautiful 2001 Joe Stark built, Joe Bell painted, custom
>>> Rivendell with 60.5 X 59 measurements (C to C). Fits 33.33mm Jack Brown
>>> tires. Paint is Rivendell Mithril blue with fancy details in very good
>>> condition. Paint would qualify as excellent except for a few chips on the
>>> right fork leg and one on the top tube (bar flip, errrgh).
>>>
>>>- Lugged Nitto/Rivendell 10cm stem
>>>- Lugged Nitto/Rivendell seatpost
>>>- Nitto 46cm Dirt Drop handlebars
>>>- TA Vega cranks with 110bcd spider and 48/34T TA Zephyr chain rings
>>>- Dura Ace nine speed drivetrain
>>>- Front shifter is a 105 model. No functional difference from DA.
>>>- Dura Ace titanium cassette
>>>- Dura Ace brake calipers (and I'm pretty sure levers as well)
>>>- Dura Ace hubs with Velocity A23 rims and butted spokes (32r/28f)
>>>- Challenge Eroica 700X3C tires with very little wear. Hard to
>>>mount, ride like a dream! Slight surface cracking from lack of use!
>>>- Chris King no logo headset
>>>- King Cage Iris water bottle cages
>>>- Shimano PD A530 pedals
>>>- Brand new SRAM PC 971 chain
>>>
>>> This was built up as a light-weight, go-fast bike. Thin, air-hardened
>>> tubing for light weight and strength at the core of the build. Then I
>>> assembled with well thought-out and light-weight components whenever
>>> possible. There are no rack attachment options, nor have fenders ever been
>>> installed. The Anti-Pillar of Rivendell bikes! That said, it is not a
>>> delicate bike by any means. It is truly the best of both worlds in having a
>>> light-weight, racy bike that you can ride where you want to!
>>>
>>> So if the bike is so perfect, why get rid of it, you ask? As I
>>> mentioned, it is currently one of six bikes, soon to be seven. I have been
>>> riding almost exclusively dirt for the last few years, and when I do ride
>>> roads, I am riding my Salsa with cross tires or set up tubeless with 650B
>>> tires. If I do want a pure road bike, I have my other Rivendell with
>>> thicker tubing and fatter tires. Frankly, that bike is getting nervous as
>>> well...
>>>
>>> What I will miss is the absolute joy of a light-weight road bike that
>>> this bike provides. Hopping on it and riding fast is amazing. My other
>>> bikes (including Riv's) do not compare. I just don't do that frequently
>>> enough to justify keeping this hanging in the garage. And I need to pay for
>>> my newest bike (A Santa Cruz Chameleon, if you're curious).
>>>
>>> I am the second owner, and have owned since March of '08. This was one
>>> of multiple bikes and Rivendell's for the first owner, so he put similar
>>> low miles on it. Always a SoCal bike, zero surface rust or corrosion.
>>> Framesaver applied to frame. It is my second Rivendell custom, and my
>>> 

Re: [RBW] Re: FS: 61cm Rivendell Custom

[cyclotourist]

It's a 'beaut, for sure!

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> That bike is s beautiful.  If it were my size, I would buy it in a
> heart beat.
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: 61cm Rivendell Custom

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Hi John, my PBH is 89 and saddle heigh is 78cm. I run it ~1cm lower than
normal due to IT band issues.
Standover is about 86.5cm.

Any other questions, send them my way!

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> What's your PBH and saddle height?
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: 61cm Rivendell Custom

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Guilty of all the above. The Glorius is so amaze-balls, but it gets used
less than this bike... if we go somewhere we're on our tandem. She doesn't
ride solo at all. She doesn't want to sell it though. :-)

On Fri, Sep 1, 2017 at 11:39 AM, Ryan Fleming 
wrote:

> tell me your wife still has her pink glorius :) and you still have 2, I
> think quickbeams
>
>
> On Thursday, August 31, 2017 at 11:13:58 PM UTC-5, cyclot...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>>
>> I really do love this bike. But it's literally hanging in the garage
>> collecting dust and cobwebs. I'm not just blowing smoke when I say that
>> it's a joy to ride. Definitely faster and spryer than my other bikes. And
>> having it built by the same guy in the same year as my other custom build
>> was just a great bonus. My other custom is definitely stouter and designed
>> to be a trail/multi-surface bike.
>>
>> If anyone is interested, transportation up the 101 as far north as Santa
>> Cruz can be arranged. Will happily knock $100 off the price.
>>
>> I also have a Brooks B17 Champion Special as well as a Professional that
>> arrangements can be made for. More saddles than I can sit on at one time!
>>
>> On Thursday, August 31, 2017 at 1:18:01 PM UTC-7, Ryan Fleming wrote:
>>>
>>> Can't believe you're getting rid of thisI'm sure it'll make someone
>>> very happy!Nice build. Hopefully there will be no seller's remorse
>>>
>>> On Thursday, August 31, 2017 at 9:39:26 AM UTC-5, cyclot...@gmail.com
>>> wrote:

 My stunningly beautiful 2001 Joe Stark built, Joe Bell painted, custom
 Rivendell with 60.5 X 59 measurements (C to C). Fits 33.33mm Jack Brown
 tires. Paint is Rivendell Mithril blue with fancy details in very good
 condition. Paint would qualify as excellent except for a few chips on the
 right fork leg and one on the top tube (bar flip, errrgh).

- Lugged Nitto/Rivendell 10cm stem
- Lugged Nitto/Rivendell seatpost
- Nitto 46cm Dirt Drop handlebars
- TA Vega cranks with 110bcd spider and 48/34T TA Zephyr chain rings
- Dura Ace nine speed drivetrain
- Front shifter is a 105 model. No functional difference from DA.
- Dura Ace titanium cassette
- Dura Ace brake calipers (and I'm pretty sure levers as well)
- Dura Ace hubs with Velocity A23 rims and butted spokes (32r/28f)
- Challenge Eroica 700X3C tires with very little wear. Hard to
mount, ride like a dream! Slight surface cracking from lack of use!
- Chris King no logo headset
- King Cage Iris water bottle cages
- Shimano PD A530 pedals
- Brand new SRAM PC 971 chain

 This was built up as a light-weight, go-fast bike. Thin, air-hardened
 tubing for light weight and strength at the core of the build. Then I
 assembled with well thought-out and light-weight components whenever
 possible. There are no rack attachment options, nor have fenders ever been
 installed. The Anti-Pillar of Rivendell bikes! That said, it is not a
 delicate bike by any means. It is truly the best of both worlds in having a
 light-weight, racy bike that you can ride where you want to!

 So if the bike is so perfect, why get rid of it, you ask? As I
 mentioned, it is currently one of six bikes, soon to be seven. I have been
 riding almost exclusively dirt for the last few years, and when I do ride
 roads, I am riding my Salsa with cross tires or set up tubeless with 650B
 tires. If I do want a pure road bike, I have my other Rivendell with
 thicker tubing and fatter tires. Frankly, that bike is getting nervous as
 well...

 What I will miss is the absolute joy of a light-weight road bike that
 this bike provides. Hopping on it and riding fast is amazing. My other
 bikes (including Riv's) do not compare. I just don't do that frequently
 enough to justify keeping this hanging in the garage. And I need to pay for
 my newest bike (A Santa Cruz Chameleon, if you're curious).

 I am the second owner, and have owned since March of '08. This was one
 of multiple bikes and Rivendell's for the first owner, so he put similar
 low miles on it. Always a SoCal bike, zero surface rust or corrosion.
 Framesaver applied to frame. It is my second Rivendell custom, and my
 fourth Rivendell of any type. One of six bikes currently. It was only used
 when I was planning on relatively smooth, fast rides staying (for the most
 part) on roads.

 I ran this bike a a 650B conversion as well (second photo below). It
 performed perfectly with no issues. Consider that an option if you run a
 B-sized fleet and want to add to it.

 Price is $2,200 shipped to your door, minus saddle. If you would like
 the Brooks Ti Swift saddle, let's talk.Less for pick up in SoCal, could
 possibly be delivered over the Labor Day weekend.

 More pics on 

Re: [RBW] Re: PSA: Richard Sachs(!) Rivendell on CL

[cyclotourist]

Nice, with couplers even!
Love that seat cluster!!

On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 10:56 AM, 'Steve' via RBW Owners Bunch <
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:

>
> <https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-D9VewNcd8AU/WZSHLOiBxDI/AAM/RwT3ejzT4uUSROvuP1yb9fzIHByC2EcmACLcBGAs/s1600/Riv5.JPG>
>
>
> On Wednesday, August 16, 2017 at 1:52:10 PM UTC-4, Steve wrote:
>>
>> Pictured from a previous owner, so not as currently built.  I think I am
>> either the 3rd or 4th owner, maybe further down the line.  Frame was
>> re-painted to its current color back around 2006...believe original color
>> was similar to RS2.
>>
>> Specs as follows:
>>
>> Headset Dura Ace
>> Stem: Nitto 10cm lugged (paint to match head tube)
>> Seat Tube: 56cm (C-T)
>> Seat tube angle: 73.00 deg
>> Horizontal TT length: 55.00cm (C-C)
>> TT Downslope angle: 1.0 deg
>> Head tube angle: 73.00 deg
>> Chainstay: 42.0 to 44 cm (horizontal dropout)
>> BB Drop: 7.5cm
>> Front Center: 58.5 cm
>> Head tube ext: 2cm
>> Stand over with Conti 28c on Velocity Aerohead rim: 80cm
>>
>> Wasn't intending this as a FS, but if anyone is interested...
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, August 15, 2017 at 11:05:00 PM UTC-4, cyclot...@gmail.com
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Pictures, Steve!!!
>>>
>>> On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 5:25 PM, 'Steve' via RBW Owners Bunch <
>>> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> RS2...As the owner of RS1, never thought I'd see RS2 or RS3 in the
>>>> wild...
>>>>
>>>> On Wednesday, August 9, 2017 at 9:58:00 PM UTC-4, cyclot...@gmail.com
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Doug, That's my friend Bryn's bike! You rode with her and Arlo at
>>>>> least once: https://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/4469017732/
>>>>>
>>>>> Here's a photo to show how fast she can go on it:
>>>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/4469041906/
>>>>>
>>>>> The frame was made in the transitional years after Joe Stark and Curt
>>>>> Goodrich stopped building, and when Grant was trying on different builders
>>>>> for size. Richard Sachs built three Rivendell customs, of which this is
>>>>> frame number two (RS2).
>>>>> If it fits you or someone you care about, would be a GREAT road bike.
>>>>> Classic road geometry, fits a 32mm. I always kept bugging her to do a 650B
>>>>> conversion on it, as I think it begs for one! Classic garage queen, she
>>>>> rides her MTB and now her Salsa XC bike a lot more. This one has had
>>>>> probably less than 50 miles since purchasing the Salsa in 2010. 
>>>>> Unmentioned
>>>>> is that it also has a TA Zephyr triple crankset, the best crankset ever
>>>>> made according to some highly biased people.
>>>>>
>>>>> They are flexible on price, so don't let the asking price scare you
>>>>> off. They're hoping for an off-shore collector type with petro-dollars to
>>>>> burn that will swoop in and grab it. If that's not you, drop 'em a line 
>>>>> and
>>>>> work something out!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wednesday, August 9, 2017 at 2:46:43 PM UTC-7, dougP wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> All things considered, this one could be considered a collector's
>>>>>> item.  Hopefully someone will jump on it & ride it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> dougP
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wednesday, August 9, 2017 at 2:39:20 PM UTC-7, Beaverton Bob wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/bik/d/richard-sachs-buil
>>>>>>> t-custom/6238145416.html
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thought it would be interesting for the group to see this!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ride Safely,
>>>>>>> Beaverton Bob
>>>>>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: PSA: Richard Sachs(!) Rivendell on CL

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Pictures, Steve!!!

On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 5:25 PM, 'Steve' via RBW Owners Bunch <
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> RS2...As the owner of RS1, never thought I'd see RS2 or RS3 in the wild...
>
> On Wednesday, August 9, 2017 at 9:58:00 PM UTC-4, cyclot...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
>> Doug, That's my friend Bryn's bike! You rode with her and Arlo at least
>> once: https://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/4469017732/
>>
>> Here's a photo to show how fast she can go on it:
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/4469041906/
>>
>> The frame was made in the transitional years after Joe Stark and Curt
>> Goodrich stopped building, and when Grant was trying on different builders
>> for size. Richard Sachs built three Rivendell customs, of which this is
>> frame number two (RS2).
>> If it fits you or someone you care about, would be a GREAT road bike.
>> Classic road geometry, fits a 32mm. I always kept bugging her to do a 650B
>> conversion on it, as I think it begs for one! Classic garage queen, she
>> rides her MTB and now her Salsa XC bike a lot more. This one has had
>> probably less than 50 miles since purchasing the Salsa in 2010. Unmentioned
>> is that it also has a TA Zephyr triple crankset, the best crankset ever
>> made according to some highly biased people.
>>
>> They are flexible on price, so don't let the asking price scare you off.
>> They're hoping for an off-shore collector type with petro-dollars to burn
>> that will swoop in and grab it. If that's not you, drop 'em a line and work
>> something out!
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, August 9, 2017 at 2:46:43 PM UTC-7, dougP wrote:
>>>
>>> All things considered, this one could be considered a collector's item.
>>> Hopefully someone will jump on it & ride it.
>>>
>>> dougP
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, August 9, 2017 at 2:39:20 PM UTC-7, Beaverton Bob wrote:
>>>>
>>>> https://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/bik/d/richard-sachs-buil
>>>> t-custom/6238145416.html
>>>>
>>>> Thought it would be interesting for the group to see this!
>>>>
>>>> Ride Safely,
>>>> Beaverton Bob
>>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: PSA: Richard Sachs(!) Rivendell on CL

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Right next door to you in Multnomah Village... go check out some ferrous
eye candy!!!

Seriously, they are very motivated, don't let the asking price drive anyone
away!

On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 11:00 AM, 'Beaverton Bob' via RBW Owners Bunch <
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> I'm just happy my sharing the listing has generated a LOT of discussion!
> In case you all are wondering, there is at least ONE person who might fit
> the bike, can appreciate it, and is close enough to actually go for a test
> ride:  ME.
>
> I am about 5'9", ride a 55 Hillborne daily, and also have a "vintage" 54cm
> Cannondale R400.
>
> But, of course, the price is too high for me.  My excuse is that I already
> have those two other bikes,and prefer to be able to use 38mm tires.
>
> Ride Safely,
> Beaverton Bob
> (Beaverton is the closest suburb West of Portland)
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Re: [RBW] Re: PSA: Richard Sachs(!) Rivendell on CL

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Send them an email, link is in the CL posting! Let your voices be heard!!!

On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 1:11 PM, 'Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch <
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> At an asking price of $3800, it really needs better lighting, better
> background,  and better photos all around.
>
>
> On Thursday, August 10, 2017 at 11:59:23 AM UTC-4, Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>> That bike really needs a decent full drive-side pic. I can't see the
>> brifters or rear derailer.
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Re: [RBW] Re: PSA: Richard Sachs(!) Rivendell on CL

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Email them, you know you want to!!!

On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 8:59 AM, Joe Bernard  wrote:

> That bike really needs a decent full drive-side pic. I can't see the
> brifters or rear derailer.
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Re: [RBW] Re: PSA: Richard Sachs(!) Rivendell on CL

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Bill, my hunch is that it is that Grant and e-RICHIE came up with what they
both agreed on would be a great bike.
I can't imagine either of those individuals doing something they didn't
believe in!
Agreed on the international exposure, but I think they want local cash
sale. That obviously limits the market, but one can hope!

On Wed, Aug 9, 2017 at 7:59 PM, Bill in Roswell GA <roadscrap...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Petro dollars still exist? (hey, I worked for Chevron and my retirement is
> tied to petro).
>
> However, there are some Japanese and Taiwanese riders that would love a
> bike like this!
>
> If he wants international interest, it should be posted on eBay with
> Paypal only payment to cover any hijinks.
>
> Maybe Jan would know an interested buyer?
>
> Cheers,
> Bill in Roswell, GA waiting on a week of non-rainy days
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, August 9, 2017 at 9:58:00 PM UTC-4, cyclot...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>>
>> Doug, That's my friend Bryn's bike! You rode with her and Arlo at least
>> once: https://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/4469017732/
>>
>> Here's a photo to show how fast she can go on it:
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/4469041906/
>>
>> The frame was made in the transitional years after Joe Stark and Curt
>> Goodrich stopped building, and when Grant was trying on different builders
>> for size. Richard Sachs built three Rivendell customs, of which this is
>> frame number two (RS2).
>> If it fits you or someone you care about, would be a GREAT road bike.
>> Classic road geometry, fits a 32mm. I always kept bugging her to do a 650B
>> conversion on it, as I think it begs for one! Classic garage queen, she
>> rides her MTB and now her Salsa XC bike a lot more. This one has had
>> probably less than 50 miles since purchasing the Salsa in 2010. Unmentioned
>> is that it also has a TA Zephyr triple crankset, the best crankset ever
>> made according to some highly biased people.
>>
>> They are flexible on price, so don't let the asking price scare you off.
>> They're hoping for an off-shore collector type with petro-dollars to burn
>> that will swoop in and grab it. If that's not you, drop 'em a line and work
>> something out!
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, August 9, 2017 at 2:46:43 PM UTC-7, dougP wrote:
>>>
>>> All things considered, this one could be considered a collector's item.
>>> Hopefully someone will jump on it & ride it.
>>>
>>> dougP
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, August 9, 2017 at 2:39:20 PM UTC-7, Beaverton Bob wrote:
>>>>
>>>> https://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/bik/d/richard-sachs-buil
>>>> t-custom/6238145416.html
>>>>
>>>> Thought it would be interesting for the group to see this!
>>>>
>>>> Ride Safely,
>>>> Beaverton Bob
>>>>
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[RBW] Re: [socalallrounders] Re: 2017 Redlands Strada Rossa

[cyclotourist]

Gonna' be a hot one, similar to first year. Highly recommend leaving with 
one of the early waves!

https://www.wunderground.com/weather-forecast/92373


On Sunday, March 5, 2017 at 11:26:47 AM UTC-8, Doug Peterson wrote:
>
> Dave:
>
> I'll be there with 7 of my local friends plus Hugh Smitham & perhaps Jim 
> Warren will be there.  Also, there's a super secret 20 mile option that I 
> convinced David to work out.  Your parents may be interested in that one 
> but you are too young to qualify. :-).
>
> doug  
>
> On Saturday, March 4, 2017 at 9:27:31 PM UTC-8, David Carroll wrote:
>>
>> 100 km for Steph and I. 50 km for my folks. Steph is has Nanoraptor 2" 
>> set up tubeless, so she is perfect. I don't want sore hands, so I will go 
>> fatter than 40 probably. I had to log in as Steph to get her registration 
>> completed; you can't register a secondary member of your account at the 
>> same time you register yourself, so I had to use another browser and log in 
>> her account.
>>
>> I will definitely, absolutely, with-a-doubt either put sealant in my 
>> tubes or use tubeless wheels. After the multiple flats we got last time, no 
>> more!  :). Despite the good rain we've been getting, I would discourage 
>> anyone from taking a chance without sealant or slime.
>>
>> I texted you this morning, I wonder if your number may have changed...
>> best, Dave
>>
>> On Saturday, March 4, 2017 at 9:13:34 PM UTC-8, cyclot...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Dave, glad you can come down! And making it a family affair! Hope the 
>>> reg. process went okay... I heard from Carroll that it continues to be a 
>>> hassle :-( Sorry... we will be changing it to Eventbrite or something else 
>>> next year!
>>>
>>> I'd say go w/ something like a 2" Nanoraptor... the original! But yeah, 
>>> people ride it on 25mm slicks, and 3" puffins. I'd avoid a tire with 
>>> aggressive knobs. Fattest tire that rolls fast on the road is best. That's 
>>> why I said Nanoraptor. The Nano40 is great as well, you'll just have sorer 
>>> hands at the end!
>>>
>>> Doing the 100k or the 30 miler? Or the 90
>>>
>>> On Sat, Mar 4, 2017 at 8:52 PM, Dave C  wrote:
>>>
 So who is definitely going? Last time I had a chance to meet Doug but 
 that was it. My wife and parents will be with me.We'll be most likely on 
 Fargos. Last year my wife rode it on a Romulus with 35 mm Paselas and I 
 used my Double Cross with the Gran Bois Cypres. We were absolutely 
 underbiking and will be on bigger tires for sure. I've been debating 
 between 40 mm Nanos and the 2.25" MTB tires. There was more soft sandy 
 sections and bumpy trails than I anticipated in 2016, so I'll be 
 prioritizing comfort.

 On Friday, September 9, 2016 at 11:02:18 PM UTC-7, cyclot...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Calendared it for March 18th!
>
> http://redlands-strada-rossa.blogspot.com/2016/09/march-18-2017.html
>
> Hope to see some familiar faces this spring!
>
>
> -- 
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> David
>
> Member, Supreme Council of Cyberspace
>
> "it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride." - Seth Vidal
>
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[RBW] Re: [socalallrounders] Re: 2017 Redlands Strada Rossa

[cyclotourist]

Dave, glad you can come down! And making it a family affair! Hope the reg.
process went okay... I heard from Carroll that it continues to be a hassle
:-( Sorry... we will be changing it to Eventbrite or something else next
year!

I'd say go w/ something like a 2" Nanoraptor... the original! But yeah,
people ride it on 25mm slicks, and 3" puffins. I'd avoid a tire with
aggressive knobs. Fattest tire that rolls fast on the road is best. That's
why I said Nanoraptor. The Nano40 is great as well, you'll just have sorer
hands at the end!

Doing the 100k or the 30 miler? Or the 90

On Sat, Mar 4, 2017 at 8:52 PM, Dave C 
wrote:

> So who is definitely going? Last time I had a chance to meet Doug but that
> was it. My wife and parents will be with me.We'll be most likely on Fargos.
> Last year my wife rode it on a Romulus with 35 mm Paselas and I used my
> Double Cross with the Gran Bois Cypres. We were absolutely underbiking and
> will be on bigger tires for sure. I've been debating between 40 mm Nanos
> and the 2.25" MTB tires. There was more soft sandy sections and bumpy
> trails than I anticipated in 2016, so I'll be prioritizing comfort.
>
> On Friday, September 9, 2016 at 11:02:18 PM UTC-7, cyclot...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
>> Calendared it for March 18th!
>>
>> http://redlands-strada-rossa.blogspot.com/2016/09/march-18-2017.html
>>
>> Hope to see some familiar faces this spring!
>>
>>
>> --
>> Cheers,
>> David
>>
>> Member, Supreme Council of Cyberspace
>>
>> "it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride." - Seth Vidal
>>
>>
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[RBW] Re: 2017 Redlands Strada Rossa

[cyclotourist]

Depending on what my role is, it will probably be the one I do. I might get 
stuck doing road signage that a.m., which would me no riding at all :-(
I love the roll out in the morning, and the after party, so as long as I 
get both of those accomplished, I'm happy!!!


On Monday, February 27, 2017 at 10:07:21 AM UTC-8, Doug Peterson wrote:
>
> David:
>
> Thanks a bunch!  Look forward to doing it.
>
> doug
>
> On Monday, February 27, 2017 at 8:59:34 AM UTC-8, cyclotourist wrote:
>>
>> FYI, working on a 20 mile option, with good dirt and less climbing. This 
>> will be an off the books sort of thing to keep as a backup plan!
>>
>>
>> On Friday, September 9, 2016 at 11:02:04 PM UTC-7, cyclotourist wrote:
>>>
>>> Calendared it for March 18th!
>>>
>>> http://redlands-strada-rossa.blogspot.com/2016/09/march-18-2017.html
>>>
>>> Hope to see some familiar faces this spring!
>>>
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> Cheers,
>>> David
>>>
>>> Member, Supreme Council of Cyberspace
>>>
>>> "it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride." - Seth Vidal
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: 2017 Redlands Strada Rossa

[cyclotourist]

FYI, working on a 20 mile option, with good dirt and less climbing. This 
will be an off the books sort of thing to keep as a backup plan!


On Friday, September 9, 2016 at 11:02:04 PM UTC-7, cyclotourist wrote:
>
> Calendared it for March 18th!
>
> http://redlands-strada-rossa.blogspot.com/2016/09/march-18-2017.html
>
> Hope to see some familiar faces this spring!
>
>
> -- 
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> David
>
> Member, Supreme Council of Cyberspace
>
> "it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride." - Seth Vidal
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: [socalallrounders] Re: 2017 Redlands Strada Rossa

[cyclotourist]

That would be our preference!!!

On Fri, Jan 13, 2017 at 3:43 PM, Bruce Smitham <bsmit...@jlohr.com> wrote:

> Fair enough although you would have more material to discuss if I was
> actually there J
>
>
>
>
> *Bruce Smitham *Senior California Area Manager
> 310-968-6910 <(310)%20968-6910> bsmit...@jlohr.com
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>
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> <http://www.youtube.com/user/JlohrWine?feature=guide>
>
>
>
> [image: cid:image001.jpg@01D1AAA5.671FAD30]
>
>
>
> J. Lohr Vineyards & Wines is Certified California Sustainable
>
>
>
> *From:* socalallround...@googlegroups.com [mailto:socalallrounders@
> googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *cyclotourist
> *Sent:* Friday, January 13, 2017 3:39 PM
>
> *To:* socalallround...@googlegroups.com
> *Cc:* RBW Owners Bunch <rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [socalallrounders] Re: 2017 Redlands Strada Rossa
>
>
>
> We'll miss you, and talk about you behind your back! It's the least we can
> do. :)
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 13, 2017 at 3:05 PM, Bruce Smitham <bsmit...@jlohr.com> wrote:
>
> Hi David,
>
>
>
> As much as I would love to make this year’s ride it’s unfortunately smack
> in the middle of my busiest work month of the year. It falls right in the
> middle of a big week of work in N. Cal then S. Cal. So I’m going to have to
> pass on this one. Sorry but thanks for the offer to host. I’ll have to set
> up something fun in San Diego as the weather gets warmer.
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
>
>
>
> *Bruce Smitham *Senior California Area Manager
> 310-968-6910 <(310)%20968-6910> bsmit...@jlohr.com
> J. Lohr Vineyards & Wines | jlohr.com
> Facebook & Twitter | @JLohrWines
>
> View the J. Lohr Story!
> <http://www.youtube.com/user/JlohrWine?feature=guide>
>
>
>
> [image: cid:image001.jpg@01D1AAA5.671FAD30]
>
>
>
> J. Lohr Vineyards & Wines is Certified California Sustainable
>
>
>
> *From:* socalallround...@googlegroups.com [mailto:socalallrounders@
> googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *cyclotourist
> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 21, 2016 3:13 PM
> *To:* socalallround...@googlegroups.com
> *Cc:* RBW Owners Bunch <rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [socalallrounders] Re: 2017 Redlands Strada Rossa
>
>
>
> Couple of updates, on a rainy December day (will be plenty of green in the
> hills!).
>
> We've confirmed that registration is opening on January first.
> <http://redlands-strada-rossa.blogspot.com/2016/12/registration-opens-january-first.html>
>  We're
> planning on accommodating up to 500 riders (there were ~350 riders last
> year). So a touch larger. Rain or shine event.
>
>
>
> This time we will be staging it out of Ritual Brewing
> <http://ritualbrewing.com/>, which has been an amazing and generous
> sponsor & supporter for all four years. They have a large space, real
> toilets, great brews as well non-alcoholic soda pop. Food is going to be
> catered by a local food truck and along with a pint from Ritual, will be
> included with registration. Cost will be $45-$65 depending on route.
>
>
>
> There is also a FB
> <https://www.facebook.com/events/1810466149171336/1810466492504635/?notif_t=like_id=1482273601734724>
> event page if that's your thing.
>
>
>
> The event is a fundraiser the Inland Empire Biking Alliance
> <http://ieba.clubexpress.com/>... a non-profit local organization with
> the mission of getting more people riding bikes... good people there!
>
>
>
> Family friendly event and location. It's a tough ride, but one you can
> tailor to your own preferences. Cut it short, ride extra, skip a dirt
> section, bail out early... whatever works for you! Multi-surface, with
> close to a 50/50 split of dirt and asphalt. Dirt is (mostly) all hard-pack
> smooth trail and roads are (mostly) lightly traveled. Come on out and see
> what all the fuss is about!
>
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 23, 2016 at 7:45 PM, cyclotourist <cyclotour...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Four year veteran!
>
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 23, 2016 at 10:29 AM, Esteban <proto...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>  my calendar!!!
>
> Esteban
>
> San Diego, Calif.
>
>
>
>
> On Friday, September 9, 2016 at 11:02:18 PM UTC-7, cyclot...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
> Calendared it for March 18th!
>
>
>
> http://redlands-strada-rossa.blogspot.com/2016/09/march-18-2017.html
>
>
>
> Hope to see some familiar faces this spring!
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Cheers,
> David
>
>
>
> Me

[RBW] Re: [socalallrounders] Re: 2017 Redlands Strada Rossa

[cyclotourist]

We'll miss you, and talk about you behind your back! It's the least we can
do. :)

On Fri, Jan 13, 2017 at 3:05 PM, Bruce Smitham <bsmit...@jlohr.com> wrote:

> Hi David,
>
>
>
> As much as I would love to make this year’s ride it’s unfortunately smack
> in the middle of my busiest work month of the year. It falls right in the
> middle of a big week of work in N. Cal then S. Cal. So I’m going to have to
> pass on this one. Sorry but thanks for the offer to host. I’ll have to set
> up something fun in San Diego as the weather gets warmer.
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
>
>
>
> *Bruce Smitham *Senior California Area Manager
> 310-968-6910 <(310)%20968-6910> bsmit...@jlohr.com
> J. Lohr Vineyards & Wines | jlohr.com
> Facebook & Twitter | @JLohrWines
>
> View the J. Lohr Story!
> <http://www.youtube.com/user/JlohrWine?feature=guide>
>
>
>
> [image: cid:image001.jpg@01D1AAA5.671FAD30]
>
>
>
> J. Lohr Vineyards & Wines is Certified California Sustainable
>
>
>
> *From:* socalallround...@googlegroups.com [mailto:socalallrounders@
> googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *cyclotourist
> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 21, 2016 3:13 PM
> *To:* socalallround...@googlegroups.com
> *Cc:* RBW Owners Bunch <rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [socalallrounders] Re: 2017 Redlands Strada Rossa
>
>
>
> Couple of updates, on a rainy December day (will be plenty of green in the
> hills!).
>
> We've confirmed that registration is opening on January first.
> <http://redlands-strada-rossa.blogspot.com/2016/12/registration-opens-january-first.html>
>  We're
> planning on accommodating up to 500 riders (there were ~350 riders last
> year). So a touch larger. Rain or shine event.
>
>
>
> This time we will be staging it out of Ritual Brewing
> <http://ritualbrewing.com/>, which has been an amazing and generous
> sponsor & supporter for all four years. They have a large space, real
> toilets, great brews as well non-alcoholic soda pop. Food is going to be
> catered by a local food truck and along with a pint from Ritual, will be
> included with registration. Cost will be $45-$65 depending on route.
>
>
>
> There is also a FB
> <https://www.facebook.com/events/1810466149171336/1810466492504635/?notif_t=like_id=1482273601734724>
> event page if that's your thing.
>
>
>
> The event is a fundraiser the Inland Empire Biking Alliance
> <http://ieba.clubexpress.com/>... a non-profit local organization with
> the mission of getting more people riding bikes... good people there!
>
>
>
> Family friendly event and location. It's a tough ride, but one you can
> tailor to your own preferences. Cut it short, ride extra, skip a dirt
> section, bail out early... whatever works for you! Multi-surface, with
> close to a 50/50 split of dirt and asphalt. Dirt is (mostly) all hard-pack
> smooth trail and roads are (mostly) lightly traveled. Come on out and see
> what all the fuss is about!
>
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 23, 2016 at 7:45 PM, cyclotourist <cyclotour...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Four year veteran!
>
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 23, 2016 at 10:29 AM, Esteban <proto...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>  my calendar!!!
>
> Esteban
>
> San Diego, Calif.
>
>
>
>
> On Friday, September 9, 2016 at 11:02:18 PM UTC-7, cyclot...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
> Calendared it for March 18th!
>
>
>
> http://redlands-strada-rossa.blogspot.com/2016/09/march-18-2017.html
>
>
>
> Hope to see some familiar faces this spring!
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Cheers,
> David
>
>
>
> Member, Supreme Council of Cyberspace
>
> "it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride." - Seth Vidal
>
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[RBW] Re: [socalallrounders] Re: 2017 Redlands Strada Rossa

[cyclotourist]

GREAT to hear the reg is working out!!! It's just a touch tricky.

No, no course yet. Won't be one finalized for a while still.

We did just confirm catering from these good people:
http://qworksbbq.com/menu.htm
There will be a veg option as well.

On Wed, Jan 4, 2017 at 8:08 PM, Doug Peterson <dougpn...@gmail.com> wrote:

> David:
>
> Do you have links to the course maps?  Any changes from last year?
>
> doug
>
> On Friday, September 9, 2016 at 11:02:04 PM UTC-7, cyclotourist wrote:
>
>> Calendared it for March 18th!
>>
>> http://redlands-strada-rossa.blogspot.com/2016/09/march-18-2017.html
>>
>> Hope to see some familiar faces this spring!
>>
>>
>> --
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>> David
>>
>> Member, Supreme Council of Cyberspace
>>
>> "it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride." - Seth Vidal
>>
>>
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[RBW] Re: [socalallrounders] Re: 2017 Redlands Strada Rossa

[cyclotourist]

You better make this one!!!

On Tue, Jan 3, 2017 at 8:17 PM, 'Mike Schiller' via SoCal All Rounders
(SCAR) <socalallround...@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> paid for 100k event... looking forward to it.
>
> mike
>
> On Friday, September 9, 2016 at 11:02:04 PM UTC-7, cyclotourist wrote:
>
>> Calendared it for March 18th!
>>
>> http://redlands-strada-rossa.blogspot.com/2016/09/march-18-2017.html
>>
>> Hope to see some familiar faces this spring!
>>
>>
>> --
>> Cheers,
>> David
>>
>> Member, Supreme Council of Cyberspace
>>
>> "it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride." - Seth Vidal
>>
>>
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[RBW] Re: [socalallrounders] 2017 Redlands Strada Rossa

[cyclotourist]

You've been avoiding it for too long! Might have to start sweeping out the
shed to accommodate all these out of towners!

del Rio, check!
Smitham, check!
Warren, check!
The Other Smitham, check!

On Thu, Dec 29, 2016 at 7:56 PM, Bruce Smitham <bsmit...@jlohr.com> wrote:

> I'll take floor space if there is any left. I gotta do this ride whether
> I'm traveling around that month or not.
>
> Cheers!
>
> Bruce Smitham
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>
> On Dec 29, 2016, at 6:41 PM, cyclotourist <cyclotour...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> del Rio, check!
> Smitham, check!
>
> Lots of floor space, sofa goes to the person traveling the furthest (maybe
> from PDX...!)! We'll check Strava to see who wins!
>
> On Thu, Dec 29, 2016 at 6:20 PM, Esteban del Rio <proto...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Sofa space reservation requested for Herr. del Rio!
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, December 28, 2016, cyclotourist <cyclotour...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm glad I've got your attention now!!! :-)
>>>
>>> On Wed, Dec 28, 2016 at 7:39 PM, ted <ted.ke...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Ah, I see now. Pls disregard my previous enquiry.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wednesday, December 28, 2016 at 7:34:08 PM UTC-8,
>>>> cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Registration for the ride is Jan 1... registration for sofa space is a
>>>>> different story! Glad you got a spot!
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Dec 28, 2016 at 7:31 PM, 'Mike Schiller' via SoCal All
>>>>> Rounders (SCAR) <socalall...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> huh?  I thought registration didn't open until Jan 1st???
>>>>>>
>>>>>> mike
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wednesday, December 28, 2016 at 7:28:16 PM UTC-8, cyclotourist
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's getting full, claim your spot while you can!!!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, Dec 22, 2016 at 5:56 PM, Hugh Smitham <hughs...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Planning on it! Do I have a spot at Chez Estes?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Friday, September 9, 2016 at 11:02:18 PM UTC-7,
>>>>>>>> cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Calendared it for March 18th!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> http://redlands-strada-rossa.blogspot.com/2016/09/march-18-2
>>>>>>>>> 017.html
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hope to see some familiar faces this spring!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>> David
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Member, Supreme Council of Cyberspace
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride." - Seth Vidal
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: [socalallrounders] 2017 Redlands Strada Rossa

[cyclotourist]

Hecks yeah! Bring it on!!! What's up with those brothers of yours
Direct them to points south!

del Rio, check!
Smitham, check!
Warren, check!

On Thu, Dec 29, 2016 at 6:46 PM, James Warren <jimcwar...@earthlink.net>
wrote:

>
> May I have a floor spot?
>
> But if some northerners coming down need a spot, I'll yield.
>
> I did talk it up with Manny and Kurt Manley today. (The RSR ride, not
> chateau Estes)
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Dec 29, 2016, at 6:41 PM, cyclotourist <cyclotour...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> del Rio, check!
> Smitham, check!
>
> Lots of floor space, sofa goes to the person traveling the furthest (maybe
> from PDX...!)! We'll check Strava to see who wins!
>
> On Thu, Dec 29, 2016 at 6:20 PM, Esteban del Rio <proto...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Sofa space reservation requested for Herr. del Rio!
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, December 28, 2016, cyclotourist <cyclotour...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm glad I've got your attention now!!! :-)
>>>
>>> On Wed, Dec 28, 2016 at 7:39 PM, ted <ted.ke...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Ah, I see now. Pls disregard my previous enquiry.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wednesday, December 28, 2016 at 7:34:08 PM UTC-8,
>>>> cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Registration for the ride is Jan 1... registration for sofa space is a
>>>>> different story! Glad you got a spot!
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Dec 28, 2016 at 7:31 PM, 'Mike Schiller' via SoCal All
>>>>> Rounders (SCAR) <socalall...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> huh?  I thought registration didn't open until Jan 1st???
>>>>>>
>>>>>> mike
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wednesday, December 28, 2016 at 7:28:16 PM UTC-8, cyclotourist
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's getting full, claim your spot while you can!!!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, Dec 22, 2016 at 5:56 PM, Hugh Smitham <hughs...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Planning on it! Do I have a spot at Chez Estes?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Friday, September 9, 2016 at 11:02:18 PM UTC-7,
>>>>>>>> cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Calendared it for March 18th!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> http://redlands-strada-rossa.blogspot.com/2016/09/march-18-2
>>>>>>>>> 017.html
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hope to see some familiar faces this spring!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>> David
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Member, Supreme Council of Cyberspace
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride." - Seth Vidal
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>> p/socalallrounders.
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[RBW] Re: [socalallrounders] 2017 Redlands Strada Rossa

[cyclotourist]

del Rio, check!
Smitham, check!

Lots of floor space, sofa goes to the person traveling the furthest (maybe
from PDX...!)! We'll check Strava to see who wins!

On Thu, Dec 29, 2016 at 6:20 PM, Esteban del Rio <proto...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Sofa space reservation requested for Herr. del Rio!
>
>
> On Wednesday, December 28, 2016, cyclotourist <cyclotour...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I'm glad I've got your attention now!!! :-)
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 28, 2016 at 7:39 PM, ted <ted.ke...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Ah, I see now. Pls disregard my previous enquiry.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, December 28, 2016 at 7:34:08 PM UTC-8, cyclot...@gmail.com
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Registration for the ride is Jan 1... registration for sofa space is a
>>>> different story! Glad you got a spot!
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Dec 28, 2016 at 7:31 PM, 'Mike Schiller' via SoCal All Rounders
>>>> (SCAR) <socalall...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> huh?  I thought registration didn't open until Jan 1st???
>>>>>
>>>>> mike
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wednesday, December 28, 2016 at 7:28:16 PM UTC-8, cyclotourist
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's getting full, claim your spot while you can!!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Dec 22, 2016 at 5:56 PM, Hugh Smitham <hughs...@gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Planning on it! Do I have a spot at Chez Estes?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Friday, September 9, 2016 at 11:02:18 PM UTC-7,
>>>>>>> cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Calendared it for March 18th!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://redlands-strada-rossa.blogspot.com/2016/09/march-18-2
>>>>>>>> 017.html
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hope to see some familiar faces this spring!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>> David
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Member, Supreme Council of Cyberspace
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride." - Seth Vidal
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: [socalallrounders] Re: 2017 Redlands Strada Rossa

[cyclotourist]

I'm glad I've got your attention now!!! :-)

On Wed, Dec 28, 2016 at 7:39 PM, ted <ted.ke...@comcast.net> wrote:

> Ah, I see now. Pls disregard my previous enquiry.
>
>
> On Wednesday, December 28, 2016 at 7:34:08 PM UTC-8, cyclot...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>>
>> Registration for the ride is Jan 1... registration for sofa space is a
>> different story! Glad you got a spot!
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 28, 2016 at 7:31 PM, 'Mike Schiller' via SoCal All Rounders
>> (SCAR) <socalall...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>>> huh?  I thought registration didn't open until Jan 1st???
>>>
>>> mike
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, December 28, 2016 at 7:28:16 PM UTC-8, cyclotourist wrote:
>>>>
>>>> It's getting full, claim your spot while you can!!!
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Dec 22, 2016 at 5:56 PM, Hugh Smitham <hughs...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Planning on it! Do I have a spot at Chez Estes?
>>>>>
>>>>> On Friday, September 9, 2016 at 11:02:18 PM UTC-7, cyclot...@gmail.com
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Calendared it for March 18th!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://redlands-strada-rossa.blogspot.com/2016/09/march-18-2017.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hope to see some familiar faces this spring!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>> David
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Member, Supreme Council of Cyberspace
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride." - Seth Vidal
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>>
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[RBW] Re: [socalallrounders] Re: 2017 Redlands Strada Rossa

[cyclotourist]

Registration for the ride is Jan 1... registration for sofa space is a
different story! Glad you got a spot!

On Wed, Dec 28, 2016 at 7:31 PM, 'Mike Schiller' via SoCal All Rounders
(SCAR) <socalallround...@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> huh?  I thought registration didn't open until Jan 1st???
>
> mike
>
> On Wednesday, December 28, 2016 at 7:28:16 PM UTC-8, cyclotourist wrote:
>>
>> It's getting full, claim your spot while you can!!!
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 22, 2016 at 5:56 PM, Hugh Smitham <hughs...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Planning on it! Do I have a spot at Chez Estes?
>>>
>>> On Friday, September 9, 2016 at 11:02:18 PM UTC-7, cyclot...@gmail.com
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Calendared it for March 18th!
>>>>
>>>> http://redlands-strada-rossa.blogspot.com/2016/09/march-18-2017.html
>>>>
>>>> Hope to see some familiar faces this spring!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
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>>>> David
>>>>
>>>> Member, Supreme Council of Cyberspace
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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[RBW] Re: [socalallrounders] Re: 2017 Redlands Strada Rossa

[cyclotourist]

It's getting full, claim your spot while you can!!!

On Thu, Dec 22, 2016 at 5:56 PM, Hugh Smitham  wrote:

> Planning on it! Do I have a spot at Chez Estes?
>
> On Friday, September 9, 2016 at 11:02:18 PM UTC-7, cyclot...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
>> Calendared it for March 18th!
>>
>> http://redlands-strada-rossa.blogspot.com/2016/09/march-18-2017.html
>>
>> Hope to see some familiar faces this spring!
>>
>>
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>>
>> Member, Supreme Council of Cyberspace
>>
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>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: [socalallrounders] Re: 2017 Redlands Strada Rossa

[cyclotourist]

Already have a PDXer thinking about checking out the event... filling up
fast!

On Wed, Dec 21, 2016 at 7:04 PM, James Warren <jimcwar...@earthlink.net>
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> Slumber party!
>
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> Yeah! Hope you can make it... and bring a friend or two!
>
> On Wed, Dec 21, 2016 at 6:54 PM, Philip Williamson <
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>> I hope to make it down this year. With a geared bike, even!
>>
>> Philip
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Re: [RBW] Re: [socalallrounders] Re: 2017 Redlands Strada Rossa

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Yeah! Hope you can make it... and bring a friend or two!

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[RBW] Re: [socalallrounders] Re: 2017 Redlands Strada Rossa

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Stay healthy! I'm hoping to not have any broken body parts this year!

The FB event page just went up last night, and has 40 going and 120
interested in one day!

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(SCAR)  wrote:

> I've been getting my virus's out of the way early ( been sick for 3 weeks
> with back to back colds) so I'll be healthy for this year.  Also saw this
> on FB and marked as going there.
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[RBW] Re: [socalallrounders] Re: 2017 Redlands Strada Rossa

[cyclotourist]

Couple of updates, on a rainy December day (will be plenty of green in the
hills!).
We've confirmed that registration is opening on January first.
<http://redlands-strada-rossa.blogspot.com/2016/12/registration-opens-january-first.html>
We're
planning on accommodating up to 500 riders (there were ~350 riders last
year). So a touch larger. Rain or shine event.

This time we will be staging it out of Ritual Brewing
<http://ritualbrewing.com/>, which has been an amazing and generous sponsor
& supporter for all four years. They have a large space, real toilets,
great brews as well non-alcoholic soda pop. Food is going to be catered by
a local food truck and along with a pint from Ritual, will be included with
registration. Cost will be $45-$65 depending on route.

There is also a FB
<https://www.facebook.com/events/1810466149171336/1810466492504635/?notif_t=like_id=1482273601734724>
event page if that's your thing.

The event is a fundraiser the Inland Empire Biking Alliance
<http://ieba.clubexpress.com/>... a non-profit local organization with the
mission of getting more people riding bikes... good people there!

Family friendly event and location. It's a tough ride, but one you can
tailor to your own preferences. Cut it short, ride extra, skip a dirt
section, bail out early... whatever works for you! Multi-surface, with
close to a 50/50 split of dirt and asphalt. Dirt is (mostly) all hard-pack
smooth trail and roads are (mostly) lightly traveled. Come on out and see
what all the fuss is about!

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>
> On Fri, Sep 23, 2016 at 10:29 AM, Esteban <proto...@gmail.com> wrote:
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>>  my calendar!!!
>>
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>> San Diego, Calif.
>>
>>
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>>> Calendared it for March 18th!
>>>
>>> http://redlands-strada-rossa.blogspot.com/2016/09/march-18-2017.html
>>>
>>> Hope to see some familiar faces this spring!
>>>
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[RBW] Re: [socalallrounders] Re: 2017 Redlands Strada Rossa

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Four year veteran!

On Fri, Sep 23, 2016 at 10:29 AM, Esteban  wrote:

>  my calendar!!!
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>> Calendared it for March 18th!
>>
>> http://redlands-strada-rossa.blogspot.com/2016/09/march-18-2017.html
>>
>> Hope to see some familiar faces this spring!
>>
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Re: [RBW] 2017 Redlands Strada Rossa

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Easy-peasy, Bill! Just plan enough time to make it down... that six hour
drive can easily turn into eight or 10 on a Friday afternoon! :-/

Joe, I've longed hoped to get a solid cohort coming down from the Greater
Bay Area! If you're at all going to drive six hours to go ride your bike,
this is the one!

FYI, you can do this in San Diego the weekend after the RSR:
http://www.ccsd.com/dirty-devil/ (our route will have higher dirt %).



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> I'm thinking of doing Strada Rossa as my pre-ride, and doing my tour in
> September.  I still have family in Corona, so it's easy.
>
>
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>>
>> Bill, if you could pull off the timing, that would be awesome! Even if it
>> doesn't coincide w/ the event, drop a line and we'll have a big to-do!
>>
>> On Monday, September 12, 2016 at 3:24:35 PM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
>>> I get a 6-week paid sabbatical in 2017.  I'm thinking about burning a
>>> couple weeks of that on a solo bike tour.  My easy concept is to do the
>>> coast route from SF to LA, and visit my mom.  My more adventurous option is
>>> to do the Sierra Cascades Route and visit my mom.  I ordered maps for both
>>> options from Adventure Cycling and they arrived today.  My exit from the
>>> Sierra Cascades Route would be Yucaipa.  The Sierra Cascades route
>>> intersects Strada Rossa in two places.  That would be a fun side trip near
>>> the end of a tour.
>>>
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[RBW] 2017 Redlands Strada Rossa

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Calendared it for March 18th!

http://redlands-strada-rossa.blogspot.com/2016/09/march-18-2017.html

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Re: [RBW] Re: 700X42C Tire Recommendation

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Leslie, I have MSOs and my Quickbeam... GREAT tires! Don't need the tread
though, and want the extra 2mm if I can get it!

So, I obsessively swapped out tires in the dark tonight (no lights in bike
shed!). The Nomads I forgot I had (first world problems) fit perfectly! A
purely subjective, five minute ride, first with the stoker and then
without, makes me think these are perfect! Just the feel I was looking for.
Getting close to that firm marshmallow ride that eluded me to this point!
The Nomads are fantastic with a bit more pressure. Sidewall says max 80psi,
so that's what I went to (Remember, close to 400lbs of team + rig). Their
sidewalls are definitely thinner than the LBBs, but I believe I can feel
the difference in cush (no, not Kush... at least not till November). Will
probably degrade in my shed, as I don't get along well with skinwall tires.
Measure 41.8 on 25mm rims. All systems are go!

Thanks for the recommendations, worked out great! Might have some LBBs for
sale, but will probably keep for back ups.

On Wed, Sep 7, 2016 at 7:37 PM, Leslie  wrote:

> I absolutely love my Clement MSO's, in 700c-40, would suggest giving them
> a try perhaps.
>
>
>
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>>
>> Hi all, I'm wondering if there are any tires slightly larger than the
>> Little Big Bens I'm using now. Those measure about 38mm, and I have room
>> for a bit more. Would like to maximize flotation! I know there are the
>> Marathon Supremes listed at 42mm (40mm actual is my guess), and those are
>> probably my go-to tires. Just wondering if there is anything else out
>> there? These are for a tandem, so need to handle 80-85psi and a 400lbs
>> weight FWIW.
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Re: [RBW] Re: 700X42C Tire Recommendation

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Wow, that would be something! I'd like those!

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> Compass has a new 44ish wide coming out right? Might clear on a narrower
> rim I bet.
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Re: [RBW] 700X42C Tire Recommendation

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Thanks D, B, & G! I haven't heard of the Conti Speed Rides or the Soma
Shikoros... thanks for putting them on the radar! Forgot about the Gravel
Kings, I know they're supposed to be really good. I might not be able to
fit anything with any knobs on it though... that 42mm clearance is going to
be with a round tire measured at the roundest part. Toward the tread it
tapers in.

Wish I could fit those Supremes, Drew! But just off by a smidge. Great deal!

On Wed, Sep 7, 2016 at 3:26 AM, Garth  wrote:

> Consider the Panaracer 700 x 40 Gravel King SK.  By all real world
> accounts these actually measure 42mm+ with great cush riding them @ 30-40
> psi.  I have not bought these myself simply because I don't need new tires,
> my discontinued Kenda Kwick Roller EZ-ride tires seem to wear very slowly.
> I would recommend these as the 45c measures about 41mm but for some silly
> reason Kinda dq'd them.  For comparison these roll about as well as 40c
> Vittoria Hypers but have alot more  volume and cush. The 40c  Hypers are
> not a very volumnious tire.
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Re: [RBW] Re: 700X42C Tire Recommendation

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Nomads! I forgot about those... and I have a pair in the cellar even!
Brilliant!

I wonder if I could fit the 50mm (45 actual) Supremes. I don't think I have
quite enough room for that. 42mm is about my max. Cazadero and R are
going to be too big, but also meatier than I need. This is an around town
bike that I want cush. Considering a 650B conversion on it just so I can
fit fatter, but don't ride enough to justify. Would have just bought a
Hub^3 in that case!!!

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> Any thread that suggests a Soma Cazadero should include a corresponding
> suggestion for a Bruce Gordon Rock and Road, just for equal air time.
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
>
> On Tuesday, September 6, 2016 at 4:59:40 PM UTC-7, Will Ashe wrote:
>>
>> I recently installed the 42mm Soma Cazaderos on my Sam. I'm really
>> enjoying them for mixed terrain riding.
>>
>> On Tuesday, September 6, 2016 at 3:14:46 PM UTC-7, cyclot...@gmail.com
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi all, I'm wondering if there are any tires slightly larger than the
>>> Little Big Bens I'm using now. Those measure about 38mm, and I have room
>>> for a bit more. Would like to maximize flotation! I know there are the
>>> Marathon Supremes listed at 42mm (40mm actual is my guess), and those are
>>> probably my go-to tires. Just wondering if there is anything else out
>>> there? These are for a tandem, so need to handle 80-85psi and a 400lbs
>>> weight FWIW.
>>> Thanks!
>>>
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[RBW] Re: FS: Quickbeam Suzue Rear Wheel $50

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Wheel has been sold, sorry to not post that earlier.

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> Stock rear wheel from an orange-era 'Beam. Wheel, SS freewheel, and
> quick-release.
> $50 + actual shipping via bikeflights.com (should be no more than $30).
>
> Would love to partial trade for a Phil Wood q/r front hub in shiny
> condition.
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[RBW] Re: FS: Quickbeam Wheelset

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Sold, and soon to be shipped across the continent!

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> Rivendell original Quickbeam wheelset. Suzue tall flange hubs. 32 spokes.
> Freewheel included, but q/r skewers are not. Low mileage, dry California
> lifestyle. 100mm front, 120mm rear spacing.
>
> $100 total, *shipped* to your home or place of business. Paypal, check,
> cash, whatever works.
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[RBW] FS: Quickbeam Wheelset

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Rivendell original Quickbeam wheelset. Suzue tall flange hubs. 32 spokes.
Freewheel included, but q/r skewers are not. Low mileage, dry California
lifestyle. 100mm front, 120mm rear spacing.

$100 total, *shipped* to your home or place of business. Paypal, check,
cash, whatever works.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/28805959216
https://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/28805961006/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/29098869245/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/29066273766/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/28480654923/

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[RBW] FS: Quickbeam Suzue Rear Wheel $50

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Stock rear wheel from an orange-era 'Beam. Wheel, SS freewheel, and
quick-release.
$50 + actual shipping via bikeflights.com (should be no more than $30).

Would love to partial trade for a Phil Wood q/r front hub in shiny condition.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/28805959216/

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Re: [RBW] Ibex Sale

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Thanks, Eric!

On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 10:50 AM, Eric Norris  wrote:
> Lots of wool stuff on sale over at Ibex:
>
> http://shop.ibex.com/merino-wool-clothing/mens?trk_msg=5JMBPBKI6GH4JC157NDF3DA2OS_contact=RTPIKLVA5MFRN92E6R7IU3V46S_source=Listrak_medium=Email_term=Shop+Men’s_campaign=S16-SummerSaleLaunch_content=S16-SummerSaleLaunch
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> Shirts, T-shirts, shorts, and jerseys up to 50% off.
>
> --Eric Norris
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Re: [RBW] Re: Odds of a Fully lugged tandem happening?

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Bob Brown will build any tandem you ask for:
http://www.bobbrowncycles.com/gallery_tandem.htm

On Mon, Jul 18, 2016 at 7:15 PM, Will  wrote:
> I'm guessing Riv, having made tandem design work, would accept custom
> orders.
>
> They might have to fudge with some filet brazing, but I think that would be
> acceptable to the cognocenti.
>
> On Monday, July 18, 2016 at 2:12:24 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>> I would place the odds at somewhere between 5% and 15%.
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, Ca
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Re: [RBW] Re: Hubbuhubbuh tandem Pre-order is live

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Rayn, you are awesome! Just thought it needed to be said!

On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 12:52 PM, Abcyclehank  wrote:
> Blakcloud,
>
> Where in Canada are you?  I plan on picking mine up and driving back to 
> Michigan if delivery would help you avoid the surcharges of shipping etc.
>
> Sincerely,
> Ryan Hankinson
> (616)928-4226
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Re: [RBW] Re: Hubbuhubbuh tandem Pre-order is live

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This is such a tough call... I have a perfectly good $600 tandem
collecting dust in the garage. It gets used maybe four times a year.
And it's set up pretty nicely, seen here set up with Little Big Bens:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/23046471715/in/photostream/lightbox/
I really want to have a fat-tired 650B tandem, and have even
considered moving the canti posts down on our tandem to get that.
So long/short is that I don't know if getting a $3000 (full build)
tandem is going to change how often we go for rides.

On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 6:46 AM, Kieran J <kjo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> That's about the same math I did too .. :-\
>
> KJ
>
>
> On Thursday, July 7, 2016 at 9:29:09 AM UTC-4, blakcloud wrote:
>>
>> I am thinking of it and I have another 30 hours to decide but what is
>> holding me back is the added cost for living in Canada. With the exchange
>> rate, shipping and sales tax, I get dinged for about $2600 for the basic
>> frame. I have ridden tandems with my wife and we really enjoyed the
>> experience and have talked about getting a tandem.
>>
>> The clock is ticking. . .
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Re: [RBW] Re: PSA: 58cm Ram & 58cm RBW Custom on Los Angeles/OC Craigslist

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Great bikes!

On Tue, Jul 5, 2016 at 12:04 PM, dougP  wrote:
> I'm not far from seller's location & glad to assist in any useful way.  I
> ride a 58 cm Atlantis, am 5'10" with a 85 cm PBH.  Adrenaline Bikes in
> Orange does an excellent job of packing so would suggest them for that
> chore.
>
> dougP
>
>
> On Tuesday, July 5, 2016 at 11:09:01 AM UTC-7, sameness wrote:
>>
>> 58cm (Orange!) Ram, Complete:
>> http://orangecounty.craigslist.org/bik/5666135130.html
>>
>> 58cm Curt-built RBW Custom Touring, Complete:
>> http://orangecounty.craigslist.org/bik/5666117578.html
>>
>> Per ads, "Will only do business locally, in-person... (w)ill not ship the
>> bike(s)," so now is the time to make a friend in the OC!
>>
>> Not mine, no affiliation, thank heaven they're not 59s, etc.
>>
>> Jeff Hagedorn
>> Los Angeles, CA USA
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Re: [RBW] Re: Custom queue

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H^3 tandem is mighty tempting, isn't it!

On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 7:49 PM, Abcyclehank  wrote:
> I have seriously considered that!  I might just go with a 65cm Mustard Clem 
> and a Large tandem.  The Clem could always go to my future son in law if he 
> proves worthy enough.
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Custom queue

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I want one of what he's having!

On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 4:05 PM, Esteban  wrote:
> I have a '99 Joe/Joe Road Custom that fits a 32 max tire. Its sublime. If I
> were to jump on a custom these days, as discussed with some pals this
> weekend, I'd get Legolas geometry and tubing but with 650B and capacity for
> 48mm tires, ie. "road plus" 
>
> Esteban
> San Diego, Calif.
>
>
> On Thursday, June 23, 2016 at 10:06:35 PM UTC-7, Eric wrote:
>>
>> Saw the post on the blug about the $200 off the price of a custom and it's
>> tempting! Anyone throwing down?
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Re: [RBW] Re: RBW List takes over West Point Inn

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Great to read the ride reports from the other groups. We split into an
initial three groups Saturday morning, based on
speed/distance/terrain. I ended up going with the last group on what
was billed as the shorter/smoother ride. I don't know about all that,
but 34 miles later, I wasn't turning down an offer to shuttle back to
the WPI!!! Wish I could have dragged this weekend out and gone for
more rides with you folks up there! Even with the heat, it was
fantastic!

My pics from the weekend in mostly chronological order:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/albums/72157667635974003



On Tue, Jun 28, 2016 at 12:32 PM, Hugh Smitham <hughsmit...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Thanks Joe for a spot on accounting of this past weekend...like you I'm
> still processing what a magical time I had with all of you. Need to do this
> again.
>
> Here are my photo's sorry it's a huge dump and kinda out of order.
>
>
> ~Hugh
>
> “Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep moving.”
> ― Albert Einstein
>
> http://velocipeedemusings.com/
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 27, 2016 at 2:07 PM, Joe Bunik <jbu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/joe_bunik/sets/72157667527929894
>>
>> I don't think there could have been a weekend any better - my mind
>> will be replaying this one on repeat for the foreseeable future! What
>> a GREAT time and particular thanks go out to the Jacquie P. / David E.
>> / Jim W. / Hugh S. quad-fecta for making this thing happen in the
>> first place.
>>
>> I thought I'd only be able to swing up there for a short visit
>> sometime Saturday at best but, thanks to both my fabulous wife's
>> enablement and Esteban's encouragement, I knocked off early Friday,
>> got my bag together, and hit the road for Marin.
>>
>> The West Point Inn is a 1904-era alpine lodge high up Mt. Tamalpais
>> and only accessible by trail. Individual accommodations can be
>> arranged, but thanks to incomparable WPI member Jacquie Phelan, we had
>> the entire facility at our disposal. As the gang drifted into camp on
>> Friday night, we enjoyed a great feed, good imbibement, and fine
>> company.
>>
>> I dare say if the evening ended warm, Saturday dawned HOT - and, early
>> - most of the cabins and the main building are eastward-oriented
>> facing the SF Bay and thus little shelter from a 5:30am sunrise. Where
>> was the fog, and why had it been replaced with a breeze that felt like
>> a hot hair dryer?
>>
>> The best thing about having 25-30 people ready to go, a quiver of
>> bikes available, and no hard agendas whatsoever was that splintering
>> into 4 or 5 different riding groups felt totally fine. I had brought
>> my Legolas, which I am always happy with on fire roads but a bit less
>> sure of on technical/MTB-level descents (x42 Conti "Cross" tires just
>> grazing the chainstays when the frame flexes) - so, I will need come
>> back on something else to test the run-out on Eldridge Grade (though I
>> heard afterwards it may have recently been leveled out some).
>>
>> Jim W., Esteban, Joe #2, and myself (all of us mid-size tire riders)
>> opted for the ridgeline, ocean views of the Seven Sisters / BoFax
>> pavement descent to Alpine Dam, where we branched onto the old flume
>> road in the Lagunitas Creek canyon heading down towards Kent Lake.
>> This fine track had some major mojo, and we agreed we'd made the right
>> choice! The bill for all that descending came due upon arrival at the
>> junction w/ Old Vee Rd., which was a triple chevron death march
>> up-and-out to the next ridge. Throw in some stretches of blasting sun
>> and those goddam biting horse flies only adding to the fun.
>>
>> Finally, we reached the open roads which would take us north into a
>> more rolling hilltop and valley terrain, with several stretches of
>> exposed boulder gardens for good measure. We left a decision of
>> whether or not to pursue the Pine Mountain Truck Rd. loop TBD upon
>> arrival. Far off across the valley, we spotted at least 3 suspicious
>> characters (isn't that Manny wearing his red onesie?) climbing - or
>> wait, are they walking? - up the grade we surmised must be PMTR. Dang,
>> they'd beaten us to the next crossroads - and hence our paths wouldn't
>> cross until later on in Fairfax. It was only getting later and hotter,
>> so we decided to forego this latter half of Hugh's "Dirty Middle
>> Route" and instead explore the northern San Geronimo Ridge fireroads
>> that lead up to nice singletrack on White's Hill.
>>
>> Passing Repack Rd., a cryptic chalk mark was 

Re: [RBW] RE: RE: RBW Listers Take Over The West Point Inn, June 24 & 25 - Join us there!!! Proposed Ride.

[cyclotourist]

If you feel up to it, just come up for dinner Saturday night! Around
6:00, just hang out, see the sights.

On Thu, Jun 23, 2016 at 8:28 AM, René Sterental <orthie...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Thanks! I'm totally bummed out.
>
> On Thu, Jun 23, 2016 at 7:45 AM, Curtis McKenzie <cmcy...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Rene,
>> Wishing you a speedy recovery
>>
>> Curtis
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, June 23, 2016, René Sterental <orthie...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I got sick yesterday, and am trying to recover. As of now, I'm not sure
>>> how it will evolve and in what condition I'll be on Saturday morning. What a
>>> bummer!
>>>
>>> René
>>>
>>> On Monday, June 20, 2016, James Warren <jimcwar...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Err on the side of big tires and mountainbikishness.
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>> On Jun 11, 2016, at 9:32 PM, René Sterental <orthie...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Is this a ride better suited for the Homer or for the Atlantis?Assumingn
>>>> can do it all? May have to bail out as outlined previously. Might be too
>>>> much climbing for moi.
>>>>
>>>> On Saturday, June 11, 2016, René Sterental <orthie...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks! I will.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Saturday, June 11, 2016, cyclotourist <cyclotour...@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> René, glad you can make it!!!! There is a big lot at Pantoll, but it
>>>>>> fills up on the weekend. The ride is starting early, so shouldn't be a
>>>>>> problem. I think it's $8 for day/24 hr parking. From the lot at Pantoll,
>>>>>> it's two miles to the Inn, so budget time for that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Here's the route to the Inn: https://goo.gl/maps/aK7V9Zo2Tex
>>>>>> This is what it looks like for most of the way:
>>>>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/23752943436/in/album-72157661872299170/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, Jun 11, 2016 at 5:13 PM, René Sterental <orthie...@gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Marked the location. Is there parking there?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Saturday, June 11, 2016, René Sterental <orthie...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> No. From Palo Alto.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Saturday, June 11, 2016, Hugh Smitham <hughsmit...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Rene,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Are you coming from Sacramento?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Here's the route to Pantoll Ranger Station.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ~Hugh
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> “Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep
>>>>>>>>> moving.” ― Albert Einstein
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> http://velocipeedemusings.com/
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jun 11, 2016 at 4:32 PM, René Sterental
>>>>>>>>> <orthie...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> If driving on Saturday, can you tell me or send me a Google map
>>>>>>>>>> location to know where to park? I don't know the area.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, June 11, 2016, David Stein <davecst...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, correct…coming up Saturday ;)
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 11, 2016, at 3:45 PM, Hugh Smitham <hughsmit...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Hi David,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>

Re: [RBW] RE: RE: RBW Listers Take Over The West Point Inn, June 24 & 25 - Join us there!!! Proposed Ride.

[cyclotourist]

I can really say that's open to anyone. I think we'll have a lot of
food. If you want to just come by and say hi, please do!!!

On Thu, Jun 23, 2016 at 9:40 AM, cyclotourist <cyclotour...@gmail.com> wrote:
> If you feel up to it, just come up for dinner Saturday night! Around
> 6:00, just hang out, see the sights.
>
> On Thu, Jun 23, 2016 at 8:28 AM, René Sterental <orthie...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Thanks! I'm totally bummed out.
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 23, 2016 at 7:45 AM, Curtis McKenzie <cmcy...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Rene,
>>> Wishing you a speedy recovery
>>>
>>> Curtis
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, June 23, 2016, René Sterental <orthie...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I got sick yesterday, and am trying to recover. As of now, I'm not sure
>>>> how it will evolve and in what condition I'll be on Saturday morning. What 
>>>> a
>>>> bummer!
>>>>
>>>> René
>>>>
>>>> On Monday, June 20, 2016, James Warren <jimcwar...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Err on the side of big tires and mountainbikishness.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jun 11, 2016, at 9:32 PM, René Sterental <orthie...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Is this a ride better suited for the Homer or for the Atlantis?Assumingn
>>>>> can do it all? May have to bail out as outlined previously. Might be too
>>>>> much climbing for moi.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Saturday, June 11, 2016, René Sterental <orthie...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks! I will.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Saturday, June 11, 2016, cyclotourist <cyclotour...@gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> René, glad you can make it There is a big lot at Pantoll, but it
>>>>>>> fills up on the weekend. The ride is starting early, so shouldn't be a
>>>>>>> problem. I think it's $8 for day/24 hr parking. From the lot at Pantoll,
>>>>>>> it's two miles to the Inn, so budget time for that.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Here's the route to the Inn: https://goo.gl/maps/aK7V9Zo2Tex
>>>>>>> This is what it looks like for most of the way:
>>>>>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/23752943436/in/album-72157661872299170/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sat, Jun 11, 2016 at 5:13 PM, René Sterental <orthie...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Marked the location. Is there parking there?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Saturday, June 11, 2016, René Sterental <orthie...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> No. From Palo Alto.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, June 11, 2016, Hugh Smitham <hughsmit...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Rene,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Are you coming from Sacramento?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Here's the route to Pantoll Ranger Station.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ~Hugh
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> “Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep
>>>>>>>>>> moving.” ― Albert Einstein
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> http://velocipeedemusings.com/
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jun 11, 2016 at 4:32 PM, René Sterental
>>>>>>>>>> <orthie...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> If driving on Saturday, can you tell me or send me a Google map
>>>>>>>>>>> location to know where to park? I don't know the area.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, June 11, 201

Re: [RBW] Re: Dirt Clem 650b: Knobby Tires and Rack Questions

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I have the Nics in 26 & 29" variety, and they're really good tires.
More aggressive than Burts, less so than Dampfs. If it's going to be
more hard pack and less technical, the Nics would be roll better IMHO.
The Dampfs are heavier/slower but provide more traction due to their
taller and more plentiful knobs. They would be a better choice for
looser and more technical riding.

On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 2:38 PM, Deacon Patrick  wrote:
> Och! I forgot to answer your rack/pannier question. They have the Pletscher
> rack and panniers. you could also go with the med or large saddle sack and
> be delighted. The saddlesacks are easier loading, wide mouth, easy to find
> everything, but they put the weight up higher. For the weight you're talking
> about, you'd be fine either way.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> On Wednesday, June 22, 2016 at 3:20:15 PM UTC-6, Valerie Yates wrote:
>>
>> If you were planning to set up a 650b Clem as a dirt touring bike for
>> mainly hardpack, singletrack and loose or soft dirt/gravel ascending and
>> descending trail-riding but not particularly for wet/mud or technical
>> trails, what tires would you pick?  I'd like to take advantage of the extra
>> clearance by choosing tires that are 54-60 wide if they make sense for the
>> applications I've described. I'm not very experienced in dirt so grip and
>> durability sound more important to me than speed.  The tires I've been
>> considering are below. I welcome any thought on these or others I should be
>> considering. I gather many people here love the ThunderBurt but the Schwalbe
>> website's emphasis on lightweight and fast speed seem not really geared
>> towards my needs. Please enlighten me if I am wrong about them.
>>
>> Schwalbe Nobby Nic
>> Schwalbe Hans Dampf
>> Continental Trail King
>> Continental X-King
>>
>> Also, if you wanted to carry mostly 5-8 pounds of stuff but maybe up to 20
>> lbs, would you choose a front rack, rear rack or both and are there any
>> particular models that know will fit and you recommend?
>>
>> For what it is worth, the initial trip I am planning involves the North
>> Rim of the Grand Canyon and specifically the Arizona Trail and the Rainbow
>> Rim Trail. I've been assured that there are some portions I would probably
>> prefer to walk but that, for the most part, the terrain should be
>> manageable.  This tour will be fully-supported so I only need to carry
>> lunch, tools, spare bits, camera, etc.
>>
>> Thanks for any input!
>>
>> Val in Boulder, CO
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Re: [RBW] Re: Nine Speed Index Setup

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I don't think it was mentioned, but check your derailer hanger
alignment. Could be off a touch and wouldn't be noticed in friction
mode.

On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 8:21 AM, NickBull  wrote:
> Try turning the cable adjuster at the derailleur a couple or three clicks
> clockwise (as you look down it toward the derailleur).  Does that make it so
> that shifts to a higher gear (smaller sprocket) go smoothly but shifts to a
> lower gear (bigger sprocket) are unsmooth and require overshifting to get
> the chain to climb up to the bigger cog?  That's how shifting is on my
> tandem--no hesitation shifting to smaller cogs, some hesitation requiring a
> slight-bit of overshifting to get to bigger cogs, but once you let go of the
> shift lever the chain stays on the bigger cog and won't "ghost shift" to a
> smaller cog.
>
>
> On Tuesday, June 21, 2016 at 7:32:28 PM UTC-4, Michael Hechmer wrote:
>>
>> To be clear.  The index shifting lifts the chain from 11 to 28 very
>> successfully, but when I try to drop the change from the 28 to the 24 and
>> then to a 21 it hangs up and then jumps cogs.
>>
>> I intend to disconnect the derailler and slide the rear cable housing
>> around looking for a hang up.  However I will be surprised to find that is
>> the problem because I am pretty careful to both file the housing and open it
>> with an awl.
>>
>> My trip to my favorite mechanic yielded a number of suggestions:
>> Check the pulleys for side to side play and for ware.  The former,
>> especially, will throw indexing out of whack.  I did this and found no side
>> to side play but still need to get a new pair of pulleys out to look at the
>> difference.
>> Adjust the B screw.  The closed position may actually be too tight.  This
>> too does not seem to be the problem.
>> My cassette does not need replacing.
>> Use a Shimano chain.  I think it is unlikely that a Connex 9 spd chain
>> works less well than a Shimano.
>> The shifter itself may be worn.  If it's really bad you can feel it, but
>> it seems to me that it is very possible that one part of the shifter is worn
>> enough to throw everything else out of alignment.
>> We agreed that the length of the cable (I actually have three cables, with
>> a splitter at each S coupler to simplify disassembly)  stretches the
>> limits of friction shifting.
>>
>> I intend to road test the system but it increasingly looks like I will
>> find it easier to stay with friction.  I think I have a little room to move
>> from a 48 to  a 50 ring without needing to change the derailler, cassette,
>> or shifters.
>>
>> I hope I am not discouraging anyone from trying a tandem; they are great
>> fun in spite of the extra challenges.
>>
>> Michael
>>
>> On Tuesday, June 21, 2016 at 5:06:53 PM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
>>> In my humble opinion, NickBull is on the right track.  The symptoms
>>> described are 100% consistent with this description
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, June 21, 2016 at 1:44:42 PM UTC-7, NickBull wrote:

 My stoker and I have ridden over 11,000 miles (mostly randonneuring
 miles in hilly/mountainous terrain) with 9-speed indexed (bar-end) shifting
 (Deore RD), a Sugino 24/36/48 crankset and SRam 11x34 cassette.  The 48-11
 combo is high enough, once you get over 30 miles an hour you may as well
 tuck.  The 24-34 is low enough for almost any grade you'll encounter.  I
 never have problems with downshifts, but for upshifts have to shift 
 slightly
 past the "click" wait until I hear/feel that the derailleur has shifted 
 then
 let the shift lever fall back to the click.  I suspect that you may have
 some cable drag, but it may also be that you've optimized the shifting for
 upshifts and that's making it "hang" on the downshifts.

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Re: [RBW] new to me bike day (the L.A. Quickbeam)

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Best bike ever! Congratulations!

On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 7:13 PM, Patch T  wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I'm the one who bought the LA Craigslisted Quickbeam from cool dude John in
> San Pedro recently. Aside from a pretty handbuilt bicycle collection, John
> has a huge record collection; he's also quite nice.
>
> Anyhow, I'm still dialing it in, but thought I'd share my new to me QB.
>
> Basic specs:
>
> Sugino 38/32 and WI Dos 16/18.
>
> Nitto B135 Gran Randonneurs with old Modolo levers
>
> Paul Touring Cantis.
>
> Nanos on Open Pros
>
> I'll put a basket on that rack, get a new light for a generator wheel (which
> was generously included in the sale, not pictured), and switch out the bars
> for Nitto M013.
>
>
> I won't go on about how much fun the QB is; you've either heard it before or
> know it already.
> What a dream!
>
> Love,
> Patch
>
>
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Lost Boys Ride Rivendells

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I spy the Coastal Trail.

On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 7:35 PM, Deacon Patrick  wrote:
> “To die will be an awfully big adventure.”
>
> With abandon,
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>
>
> On Tuesday, June 21, 2016 at 8:09:06 PM UTC-6, Mark in Beacon wrote:
>>
>> Yes, but uh-oh, right before the awesome grilling footage, a bicycle
>> careening down the road with a fagot of branches precariously perched on a
>> front basket! Dangerous! Wait, Rivendell doesn't sell sticks--at least not
>> yet. (But do its axes come with a warning that you could chop off a toe?) I
>> don't see a key, but shouldn't they tell people not to fly a kite with a key
>> attached, just in case? Oops, wrong thread! Nice little video. You can see
>> how place inspires design.
>>
>> On Tuesday, June 21, 2016 at 9:00:44 PM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>>
>>> https://vimeo.com/171478451
>>>
>>> With abandon,
>>> Patrick
>>>
>>> www.OurHolyConception.org
>>> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Tandem

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The effective top tube measurements on the Hub match those of mountain
bikes almost exactly. Would be easy to set one up with straight bars
at seat level to mimic a MTB feel.

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 wrote:
> Hi Michael. When I said "tandem rally speedster" I was referring entirely to
> the bicycle. From what I can see, the majority of models from most
> tandem-specific makers are versions of the popular style of bicycle for club
> riding, regardless of age--tires on the skinny side, drop bars, latest bells
> and whistles, etc. T(here are also a few full on high-end mountain
> suspension bikes.)
>
> I hear you on the tandem demographic, and some of the possible reasons.
> (Though there is this.) That's another great thing about the Rivendell
> tandem project, the idea of getting more people to try it. As far as
> discretionary funds, see reason number 2 (strong relationship, good
> communication) for why tandems can sometimes be found at very reasonable
> prices in the used marketplace. Though again I suspect that may not be the
> case so much with the HHH.
>
> I confess that most of my (single bike) longer rides have been with drop
> bars--tradition and the old racing bones, mostly. However, based on reports
> I have read here, and my many years of experience with comfort and hand
> placement on uprights for commuting and town riding, as well as slower but
> long timewise rides on upright singles with my son, I will not hesitate to
> take the upright bar tandem on longer mileage rides once my guy is ready. I
> have plans for at least a 20-miler by end of summer. (Long being relative
> these days.) I suspect as I enter my 60s, if I have the luxury of an
> occasional long recreational ride, it could very well be with upright bars.
> Anyway, I don't really see the HHH as a regular century tandem, though no
> doubt it could easily accomplish one.
>
> As I said about the drops, I think it hasn't dawned on the captains to try
> something else. It's not on the radar. It's not tradition. Look at the
> transition of Riv listers, many of whom probably went from drops, to drops
> with super tall stems, to uprights--and not necessarily because they were
> forced to due to ailment and/or age. And tires. Even though tandems probably
> benefit even more from wider tires, (and I would argue upright bars, too)
> you just don't see a lot of it in the club tandem world--the connotation
> being that fat tires and upright bars equal a not very serious ride with
> degraded performance characteristics. A Schwinn Twinn. That's a belief
> system tough to crack. That's why you should get an HHH and shatter some
> shibboleths and blow some minds!
>
> On Tuesday, June 21, 2016 at 7:50:39 PM UTC-4, Michael Hechmer wrote:
>>
>> Do not associate the term rally with the term speedster.  My experience
>> has been that there are more teams in the 80's than in their 20s, more in
>> their 70s than in their 30's and probably more in their 60's than in their
>> 40's.  My 26 X 1.75 tires may be wider than avg but do not attract much
>> attention.  However, I have not seen many captains with anything other than
>> drop bars.  These are not usually set below saddle height but allow a
>> variety of body and hand positions on three or four hour rides.
>>
>> People don't get into tandems until they have a positive single
>> experience, a strong relationship with good communication, and a good bit of
>> discretionary funds.  By then most are past racing, but not necessarily past
>> the thrill of a fast downhill.
>>
>> Michael
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: How hot is your town?

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And so it begins:
http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/Brush-Fire-Burning-Hillsides-Off-Highway-39-Above-Azusa--383670151.html
(or should more accurately say, continues:
http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-heat-fire-red-flag-conditions-socal-20160620-snap-story.html
)

On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 6:43 PM, dstein  wrote:
> It got to a blistering 80 today in Oakland! Which actually does qualify for
> a scorcher out here. Don't worry I spent 32 years in the deep south, 21 of
> them in south Louisiana. i've done my time in 100 degree temps with 75%
> humidity  (for 5 months out of the year). I started riding while living in
> Tennessee which isn't a whole lot better, it actually consistently gets
> above 100 for several days, again with the high humidity. If it was above 90
> I didn't go out.
>
>
> On Monday, June 20, 2016 at 3:40:57 PM UTC-7, Tim wrote:
>>
>> Here in Louisville, KY it's 88 and 50% humidity. Forecast for the week is
>> 90-94 with humidity between 55-65%. I'll take that over 50 degrees any day.
>> I've always done pretty well with the heat. I'm from KC where it's hotter
>> and more humid this week than here in KY. As an ironworker who has spent
>> every KC winter since 1979 working outside, I'll never, ever complain about
>> hot weather. I sweat as profusely as anyone I've ever known (the bolt on a
>> brand new quill stem will be completely rusted within 2 weeks of
>> installation) and I just drink and drink and am usually none the worse for
>> it, so there has never been a day when I thought it was too hot to ride. I
>> did make a slight miscalculation in 2011 when I decided to ride the Southern
>> Tier route from San Diego to St. Augustine, and I thought it would be
>> clever, since I'm so tough and macho, to begin the ride on July 5th. The
>> first 14 days of the ride reached over 100 degrees, with the peak reading on
>> my Garmin in a parking lot in Phoenix at 122! I never once reached my goal
>> mileage (which I set unreasonably high to start with) and didn't complete
>> the ride. Next time I try it will be an April or October start. Lungimsam,
>> the DC and KC heat and humidity are very, very similar.
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Re: [RBW] Re: How hot is your town?

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Lovely Redlands, California.

On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 7:17 PM, Patrick Moore <bertin...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Cyclotourist: in what city do you live? My outside the door thermometer
> peaked at 102, but the "official" high today for the area was 103. Cooling
> down to the 97-99 degree range this week, though.
>
> I have vague memories of riding around on my Hero in New Delhi in the
> exceptionally hot late spring or early summer of 1968 where, if my memory
> serves me right (and it may well not), the highs peaked at 120. Dry,
> though, well before the monsoon.
>
> On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 1:48 PM, cyclotourist <cyclotour...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Inland SoCal is 104F @ 12:47 ... and tomorrow is supposed to be the
>> really hot day!
>>
>> On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 11:59 AM, Lungimsam <john11.2...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> 12% humidity is icky?!?!? I don't even call that humidity. I don't think
>>> anything can rust in 12%, can it? ;)
>>>
>>> It is 88F and 30% humidity here in Maryland today, which is considered
>>> very low humidity around here, since in the summer we get days in the 90'sF
>>> with humidity in the 75%+ ranges. Gets soupy out here sometimes.
>>>
>>> Thursday here is forecasted at 85F with 64% humidity. Deadly for New
>>> Mexicans, Arizonians, and bare foot peddlers of Colorado. ;)
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Re: [RBW] Re: How hot is your town?

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An hour later, and now 106.5F...

On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 12:58 PM, Ron Mc  wrote:

> Afternoons are "down" to 60% humidty (95 degrees)
>
>
> 
> but it's always 15 degrees cooler in the cypress tunnels.
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Re: [RBW] Re: How hot is your town?

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Inland SoCal is 104F @ 12:47 ... and tomorrow is supposed to be the really
hot day!

On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 11:59 AM, Lungimsam  wrote:

> 12% humidity is icky?!?!? I don't even call that humidity. I don't think
> anything can rust in 12%, can it? ;)
>
> It is 88F and 30% humidity here in Maryland today, which is considered
> very low humidity around here, since in the summer we get days in the 90'sF
> with humidity in the 75%+ ranges. Gets soupy out here sometimes.
>
> Thursday here is forecasted at 85F with 64% humidity. Deadly for New
> Mexicans, Arizonians, and bare foot peddlers of Colorado. ;)
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Tandem

[cyclotourist]

And a brilliant use of a John's Irish strap!

On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 1:39 PM, cyclotourist <cyclotour...@gmail.com>
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> Here's the link: https://www.instagram.com/p/BGvQYc0LxKA/?taken-by=rivbike
>
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>> New photo up on their Instagram feed. Check it out!
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Tandem

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Here's the link: https://www.instagram.com/p/BGvQYc0LxKA/?taken-by=rivbike

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Re: [RBW] Victoria Hypers

[cyclotourist]

I have Hypers on one of my bikes, and find them very comparable to the
Marathon Supremes. Great value in tires IMHO.

On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 12:55 PM, Jay in Tel Aviv 
wrote:

> I got a pair of these on the recent Planet X sale. Arrived and installed
> today. They went on real easy and look great, but I did have time for a
> test ride. Looking forward to trying something new after several years of
> Marathon Supremes.
>
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Re: [RBW] Rivendell Tandem

[cyclotourist]

Until he buys his own...

On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 6:44 PM, James Warren <jimcwar...@earthlink.net>
wrote:

> Who says you'll be invited on the rides? :-)
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jun 16, 2016, at 6:40 PM, cyclotourist <cyclotour...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> And proportionately resistant to riding a tandem with his father.
>
> On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 6:08 PM, James Warren <jimcwar...@earthlink.net>
> wrote:
>
>> Jake will get taller.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jun 16, 2016, at 4:24 PM, cyclotourist <cyclotour...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I'm trying really hard to justify this! Our current tandem is set up w/
>> Albas, B67/68 saddles, and 700X38C Little Big Bens. It's very Riv-approved.
>> But I LOVE the idea of getting a tandem that can fit 650X60B tires on it!
>> The thing is, we ride our tandem maybe four times a year, so the cost/mile
>> is pretty high on getting a fancy new one.
>> But yeah, really thinking about it!
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 4:08 PM, Michael Hechmer <mhech...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> A recent posting on the Tandem at Hobbes List described an encounter
>>> with GP and two Rivendell prototype tandems.  Fabulous.  There are still
>>> too many tamdemistas riding on 28mm tires and mesmerized by lighter means
>>> faster.   We ride a number of tandem rallies each summer and increasingly
>>> see that they are filled with more mature riders. open to a more
>>> comfortable ride, so I think there is an opportunity to expand the Riv
>>> philosophy to them.  Now the market is dominated by Santana and Co-Motion
>>> both of whom seem inclined to push the latest invention over common sense.
>>> There are good custom builders who make very ridable bikes, like Bilenky,
>>> and no shortage of custom builders selling $20,000 CF, magnesium, and
>>> bamboo bikes with electronic shifting.  That leaves a big window for a
>>> practical, fun tandem.
>>>
>>> As an aside, during the recent Canadian Tandem Rally, on a blistering
>>> hot day, we found ourselves struggling to stay up with a couple, who
>>> appeared to be about 10 years older than us.  They were riding a recumbent,
>>> which are notoriously slow going up hill and  I kept thinking I would
>>> overtake them on the next short hill.  It never happened, and I thought I
>>> just gotta loose 30 lbs..  When we got back to the Ramada and were putting
>>> our bikes away all four of us looked exhausted.  Then I looked down and saw
>>> the electric motor on the back of their bike.  I almost felt better!
>>>
>>> Michael
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Rivendell Tandem

[cyclotourist]

And proportionately resistant to riding a tandem with his father.

On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 6:08 PM, James Warren <jimcwar...@earthlink.net>
wrote:

> Jake will get taller.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jun 16, 2016, at 4:24 PM, cyclotourist <cyclotour...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I'm trying really hard to justify this! Our current tandem is set up w/
> Albas, B67/68 saddles, and 700X38C Little Big Bens. It's very Riv-approved.
> But I LOVE the idea of getting a tandem that can fit 650X60B tires on it!
> The thing is, we ride our tandem maybe four times a year, so the cost/mile
> is pretty high on getting a fancy new one.
> But yeah, really thinking about it!
>
> On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 4:08 PM, Michael Hechmer <mhech...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> A recent posting on the Tandem at Hobbes List described an encounter with
>> GP and two Rivendell prototype tandems.  Fabulous.  There are still too
>> many tamdemistas riding on 28mm tires and mesmerized by lighter means
>> faster.   We ride a number of tandem rallies each summer and increasingly
>> see that they are filled with more mature riders. open to a more
>> comfortable ride, so I think there is an opportunity to expand the Riv
>> philosophy to them.  Now the market is dominated by Santana and Co-Motion
>> both of whom seem inclined to push the latest invention over common sense.
>> There are good custom builders who make very ridable bikes, like Bilenky,
>> and no shortage of custom builders selling $20,000 CF, magnesium, and
>> bamboo bikes with electronic shifting.  That leaves a big window for a
>> practical, fun tandem.
>>
>> As an aside, during the recent Canadian Tandem Rally, on a blistering hot
>> day, we found ourselves struggling to stay up with a couple, who appeared
>> to be about 10 years older than us.  They were riding a recumbent, which
>> are notoriously slow going up hill and  I kept thinking I would overtake
>> them on the next short hill.  It never happened, and I thought I just gotta
>> loose 30 lbs..  When we got back to the Ramada and were putting our bikes
>> away all four of us looked exhausted.  Then I looked down and saw the
>> electric motor on the back of their bike.  I almost felt better!
>>
>> Michael
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Re: [RBW] Rivendell Tandem

[cyclotourist]

I'm trying really hard to justify this! Our current tandem is set up w/
Albas, B67/68 saddles, and 700X38C Little Big Bens. It's very Riv-approved.
But I LOVE the idea of getting a tandem that can fit 650X60B tires on it!
The thing is, we ride our tandem maybe four times a year, so the cost/mile
is pretty high on getting a fancy new one.
But yeah, really thinking about it!

On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 4:08 PM, Michael Hechmer  wrote:

> A recent posting on the Tandem at Hobbes List described an encounter with
> GP and two Rivendell prototype tandems.  Fabulous.  There are still too
> many tamdemistas riding on 28mm tires and mesmerized by lighter means
> faster.   We ride a number of tandem rallies each summer and increasingly
> see that they are filled with more mature riders. open to a more
> comfortable ride, so I think there is an opportunity to expand the Riv
> philosophy to them.  Now the market is dominated by Santana and Co-Motion
> both of whom seem inclined to push the latest invention over common sense.
> There are good custom builders who make very ridable bikes, like Bilenky,
> and no shortage of custom builders selling $20,000 CF, magnesium, and
> bamboo bikes with electronic shifting.  That leaves a big window for a
> practical, fun tandem.
>
> As an aside, during the recent Canadian Tandem Rally, on a blistering hot
> day, we found ourselves struggling to stay up with a couple, who appeared
> to be about 10 years older than us.  They were riding a recumbent, which
> are notoriously slow going up hill and  I kept thinking I would overtake
> them on the next short hill.  It never happened, and I thought I just gotta
> loose 30 lbs..  When we got back to the Ramada and were putting our bikes
> away all four of us looked exhausted.  Then I looked down and saw the
> electric motor on the back of their bike.  I almost felt better!
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Suspension Losses - Now Confirmed by Other Research

[cyclotourist]

He links to the original. A heads up would have been polite I suppose.

On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 2:03 PM, cyclotourist <cyclotour...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> This would be the original image:
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/8622476729
>
> On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 11:53 AM, Shoji Takahashi <
> shoji.takaha...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> The article referenced by Jan features a French-blue Rivendell Road with
>> resist nomads:
>> http://trstriathlon.com/talking-tires-with-joshua-poertner/
>>
>> (I think this is David's bike, and I hope he's compensated given the
>> reference to photopin license. His Flickr feed shows up as no commercial
>> use.)
>>
>> I like this section (towards bottom of the article):
>>
>>> If wider is better, is a lot wider a lot better? And if a wider tire is
>>> what the world needs, then do we need a wider wheel to hold it? More
>>> accurately do we need wider wheels, wider forks, and wider chain and seat
>>> stays to hold them? Who is going to manufacture all this stuff, and how
>>> will the bike designer, the wheel builder, and the tire maker negotiate the
>>> new standards?
>>
>>
>> Indeed, who is going to manufacture all this stuff???
>>
>> shoji
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, June 14, 2016 at 12:51:58 PM UTC-4, Jan Heine wrote:
>>>
>>> In science, it's important that results are replicable - this means that
>>> anybody doing the same experiment must get the same results. I was excited
>>> to learn that recently, Joshua Poertner (formerly of Zipp, now of Silca)
>>> has replicated our results on tire pressure: Higher tire pressures don't
>>> make you faster on smooth pavement, and definitely are slower on rough
>>> surfaces. He apparently used the same rumble strip method as we did when we
>>> first quantified suspension losses.
>>>
>>> More about this is here:
>>>
>>> https://janheine.wordpress.com/2016/06/14/suspension-losses-confirmed/
>>>
>>> It's exciting that what used to be highly controversial now is entering
>>> the mainstream. And I want to thank the listmembers who were open to these
>>> ideas long before anybody else.
>>>
>>> Jan Heine
>>> Editor
>>> Bicycle Quarterly
>>> www.bikequarterly.com
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Suspension Losses - Now Confirmed by Other Research

[cyclotourist]

This would be the original image:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/8622476729

On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 11:53 AM, Shoji Takahashi <shoji.takaha...@gmail.com
> wrote:

> The article referenced by Jan features a French-blue Rivendell Road with
> resist nomads:
> http://trstriathlon.com/talking-tires-with-joshua-poertner/
>
> (I think this is David's bike, and I hope he's compensated given the
> reference to photopin license. His Flickr feed shows up as no commercial
> use.)
>
> I like this section (towards bottom of the article):
>
>> If wider is better, is a lot wider a lot better? And if a wider tire is
>> what the world needs, then do we need a wider wheel to hold it? More
>> accurately do we need wider wheels, wider forks, and wider chain and seat
>> stays to hold them? Who is going to manufacture all this stuff, and how
>> will the bike designer, the wheel builder, and the tire maker negotiate the
>> new standards?
>
>
> Indeed, who is going to manufacture all this stuff???
>
> shoji
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, June 14, 2016 at 12:51:58 PM UTC-4, Jan Heine wrote:
>>
>> In science, it's important that results are replicable - this means that
>> anybody doing the same experiment must get the same results. I was excited
>> to learn that recently, Joshua Poertner (formerly of Zipp, now of Silca)
>> has replicated our results on tire pressure: Higher tire pressures don't
>> make you faster on smooth pavement, and definitely are slower on rough
>> surfaces. He apparently used the same rumble strip method as we did when we
>> first quantified suspension losses.
>>
>> More about this is here:
>>
>> https://janheine.wordpress.com/2016/06/14/suspension-losses-confirmed/
>>
>> It's exciting that what used to be highly controversial now is entering
>> the mainstream. And I want to thank the listmembers who were open to these
>> ideas long before anybody else.
>>
>> Jan Heine
>> Editor
>> Bicycle Quarterly
>> www.bikequarterly.com
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Suspension Losses - Now Confirmed by Other Research

[cyclotourist]

Hey, that picture does look familiar! Thanks for the heads up, Shoji!

On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 11:53 AM, Shoji Takahashi  wrote:

> The article referenced by Jan features a French-blue Rivendell Road with
> resist nomads:
> http://trstriathlon.com/talking-tires-with-joshua-poertner/
>
> (I think this is David's bike, and I hope he's compensated given the
> reference to photopin license. His Flickr feed shows up as no commercial
> use.)
>
> I like this section (towards bottom of the article):
>
>> If wider is better, is a lot wider a lot better? And if a wider tire is
>> what the world needs, then do we need a wider wheel to hold it? More
>> accurately do we need wider wheels, wider forks, and wider chain and seat
>> stays to hold them? Who is going to manufacture all this stuff, and how
>> will the bike designer, the wheel builder, and the tire maker negotiate the
>> new standards?
>
>
> Indeed, who is going to manufacture all this stuff???
>
> shoji
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, June 14, 2016 at 12:51:58 PM UTC-4, Jan Heine wrote:
>>
>> In science, it's important that results are replicable - this means that
>> anybody doing the same experiment must get the same results. I was excited
>> to learn that recently, Joshua Poertner (formerly of Zipp, now of Silca)
>> has replicated our results on tire pressure: Higher tire pressures don't
>> make you faster on smooth pavement, and definitely are slower on rough
>> surfaces. He apparently used the same rumble strip method as we did when we
>> first quantified suspension losses.
>>
>> More about this is here:
>>
>> https://janheine.wordpress.com/2016/06/14/suspension-losses-confirmed/
>>
>> It's exciting that what used to be highly controversial now is entering
>> the mainstream. And I want to thank the listmembers who were open to these
>> ideas long before anybody else.
>>
>> Jan Heine
>> Editor
>> Bicycle Quarterly
>> www.bikequarterly.com
>>
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Re: [RBW] Quickbeam / SimpleOne Sizing?

[cyclotourist]

Only if you live in DC:  local pickup only (no shipping)

Eric, I have an 89PBH, and own both a 60 and 62 'Beam. My 62 is a touch too
big for dirt riding, so it's set up as my townie bike. The 60 is my trail
bike and is great for situations where I need to put my foot down fast.

My $.02: I think you can ride either happily, but for a city commuter, the
62 would be a touch better.



On Sat, Jun 11, 2016 at 11:09 PM, Allingham II, Thomas J. (Retired Partner)
 wrote:

> This is a killer deal. Great bike
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Jun 12, 2016, at 2:08 AM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
> >
> > Here's a 60 SimpleOne. They don't come up often - I don't think many of
> *any* size were made - so you might want to hop on it. Pick up only in
> Washington, but maybe someone can facilitate buying and shipping.
> >
> > Look at this on eBay http://www.ebay.com/itm/112011978713
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Re: [RBW] RE: RE: RBW Listers Take Over The West Point Inn, June 24 & 25 - Join us there!!! Proposed Ride.

[cyclotourist]

René, glad you can make it There is a big lot at Pantoll, but it fills
up on the weekend. The ride is starting early, so shouldn't be a problem. I
think it's $8 for day/24 hr parking. From the lot at Pantoll, it's two
miles to the Inn, so budget time for that.

Here's the route to the Inn: https://goo.gl/maps/aK7V9Zo2Tex
This is what it looks like for most of the way:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/23752943436/in/album-72157661872299170/


On Sat, Jun 11, 2016 at 5:13 PM, René Sterental <orthie...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Marked the location. Is there parking there?
>
>
> On Saturday, June 11, 2016, René Sterental <orthie...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> No. From Palo Alto.
>>
>> On Saturday, June 11, 2016, Hugh Smitham <hughsmit...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Rene,
>>>
>>> Are you coming from Sacramento?
>>>
>>> Here's the route
>>> <https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Sacramento,+CA/Panoramic+Hwy+%26+Pan+Toll+Ranger+Station/@38.0235462,-122.5581331,11.5z/data=!4m13!4m12!1m5!1m1!1s0x809ac672b28397f9:0x921f6aaa74197fdb!2m2!1d-121.4943996!2d38.5815719!1m5!1m1!1s0x808591a0140b73a3:0x95ccbb8b5ec2c308!2m2!1d-122.603996!2d37.904499?hl=en>
>>> to Pantoll Ranger Station.
>>>
>>> ~Hugh
>>>
>>> “Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep
>>> moving.” ― Albert Einstein
>>>
>>> http://velocipeedemusings.com/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jun 11, 2016 at 4:32 PM, René Sterental <orthie...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> If driving on Saturday, can you tell me or send me a Google map
>>>> location to know where to park? I don't know the area.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Saturday, June 11, 2016, David Stein <davecst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Yes, correct…coming up Saturday ;)
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jun 11, 2016, at 3:45 PM, Hugh Smitham <hughsmit...@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi David,
>>>>>
>>>>> You mean to say you're coming up Saturday. Look forward to seeing for
>>>>> dinner.
>>>>>
>>>>> ~Hugh
>>>>>
>>>>> “Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep
>>>>> moving.” ― Albert Einstein
>>>>>
>>>>> http://velocipeedemusings.com/
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, Jun 11, 2016 at 3:26 PM, David Stein <davecst...@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Looks awesome but I won't be staying Friday and plan on coming up
>>>>>> Sunday. I may try and meet you at the musuem and ride bike if you have a
>>>>>> loose time frame of when you'll be there, but more than likely I'll just
>>>>>> head up old railroad grade mid to late afternoon to make it for dinner if
>>>>>> anyone wants to join me for that (will either drive and leave from mill
>>>>>> valley, or ferry over to sausalito and ride up from there).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, Jun 11, 2016 at 2:58 PM, Curtis McKenzie <cmcy...@gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hugh,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sign me up for this one. Thank you for planning this.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Curtis
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Saturday, June 11, 2016, Hugh Smitham <hughsmit...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi Sean,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sorry for the delay in responding.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Since I haven't gotten really zip for feedback regarding my latest
>>>>>>>> route update I'm going to presume that the route is a go. For those 
>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>> feel the full 43 miles would be too much I suggest taking San Geronimo
>>>>>>>> Ridge just before mile marker 12 which will cut out the Pine Mountain 
>>>>>>>> loop
>>>>>>>> but will cut out 9 miles, you still get the Repack descent and we can 
>>>>>>>> all
>>>>>>>> meet up at the Museum. To take in account the time differential those 
>>>>>>>> that

Re: [RBW] Three Things

[cyclotourist]

1) His seat height looks really low compared to your set up. Maybe
just the perspective of the pic.

2) Got nothing.

3) New cables will stretch out to their permanent length after some
use. Both brake and derailer cables should be adjusted after some use.
For the rear derailer, try screwing the adjuster out (counter
clockwise) a couple clicks and see if that dials it in. Plan B is to
take it back to the shop and have them do that (they should have told
you to come back for an adjust when they put it together).

On Sun, Jun 5, 2016 at 2:20 PM, LeahFoy  wrote:
> This post is a collection of questions and thoughts. I'm trying to 
> consolidate into just the one post, so sorry if it seems disjointed - I 
> thought maybe one post would be preferable to three.
>
> 1. First question: Why does my  6 ft husband's 52 cm Clem seem too small and 
> confined to me, who is 5'6"?
>
> You may remember my zany husband who got a Clem around Christmastime. It was 
> a memorable experience, let me tell you. He isn't Rivy at all, so this was 
> quite the leap for him, and he settled on "matching" his bike to mine more 
> than any other inspiration. We've been having a wonderful time with our 
> bikes, not many lengthy rides, but rather, we do this great thing he calls 
> "Our Evening Constitutional." Every night after dinner, we put on our 
> matching Keens, our matching RayBans, and we take our Rivendell bikes and 
> cruise around the neighborhood and through the park at our leisure. Our kids 
> are big enough to stay home, and we feel like we are really getting away with 
> something. We chat, we laugh, we congratulate ourselves on our fantastic 
> bikes and reflect on 12 years of marriage. This is the kind of date I 
> recommend.
>
> But I digress.
>
> One night we decided to switch bikes. I'd made some minor adjustments to his 
> saddle and bars for him and wanted to test them. Secondly, I wanted to gaze 
> upon my lovely Betty Foy while he rode it. (You never get to appreciate how 
> great your own bike looks when you're on it!) I was really expecting his bike 
> to be large and unwieldy but I was shocked to discover it felt cramped! I 
> felt like the bars were squirrely, and that my butt should be way farther 
> back. I wanted to be more stretched out. Now, I have albatross bars and he 
> has whatever the Clems came with, but how can it make that much difference?
>
> I told him I didn't like his "sit up and beg" positioning. He retorted, "It 
> is not. It's the 'seated command' position." Then I rolled my eyes.
>
> I tried grabbing his bars so I was more stretched out. No improvement. His 
> sprung Brooks is pushed all the way back on its rails. Is this how the Clem 
> is supposed to feel? Am I just too used to the Betty Foy? I really thought 
> lggg chainstays would make a huge difference, but there I was - 
> cramped. I knew if I came to you, you all would tell me why.
>
> I felt so disappointed because I was hoping his bike would be as good/even 
> better than mine. The way I see it, my bike is perfect. I feel like the bike 
> is part of ME. I get on it and there's nothing I could do to make it more 
> comfortable. I don't even think about comfort. I fret a little about the 
> dings in the paint and wish I had the Big Back Rack to match my Big Front 
> Rack, and I wish that I had the gray medium Saddleback instead of the tan - 
> all stupid cosmetic stuff. But I couldn't be happy on his bike, and that 
> seems odd to me. Rivendells are comfortable and useful. It's their trademark; 
> what am I missing? My husband is not a bike person, so he's just happy 
> cruising around and looking alike. He thinks his bike feels fine, but he 
> calls mine "more plush." He'll happily roll along in his "seated command" 
> position regardless of what we say here, but I'm hoping you'll have some 
> rationale.
>
> 2. It's his birthday next week. Do you remember his obsession with getting a 
> bamboo crate for the front of his Clem? Well, he ordered one from the company 
> Bamboobee on Amazon. They said it would be here anywhere in a 4 week 
> timeframe. That timeframe came and went and after a lot of back-and-forth, I 
> was just refunded my money. I want to get him a rack and different crate for 
> his birthday. I have no idea what front rack the Clem takes. Who can say, and 
> does anyone have one for sale on the list? He has the mousetrap rack on the 
> back.
>
> Also, does anyone have a recommendation for a crate? He loved that the 
> Bamboobee looked modern and had a built in cup holder. He envisions himself 
> riding his Clem with this contraption and a handlebar speaker on the beach. 
> He lives in the desert.
>
> 3. His gears ghost shift. And there's lots of chatter in his gears. Is it 
> possible the REI mechanic didn't install the gearing correctly? Do they need 
> adjustment after a while?
>
> Lastly, I've included a couple photos. Thanks so much for reading and lending 
> me your 

Re: [RBW] Re: RBW Listers Take Over The West Point Inn, June 24 & 25 - Join us there!!!

[cyclotourist]

Hi Corwin, I overlooked the postings you and Hugh had on the 12th,
sorry about that! Yes, still some room, although getting tight.

On Fri, Jun 3, 2016 at 9:45 PM, Corwin <ernf...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hey David -
>
> I PM'ed you and sent you a private reply to your original message in this
> thread. Have not heard a peep.
>
> Am I in?
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> Corwin
>
> On Thursday, May 12, 2016 at 10:43:35 AM UTC-7, Hugh Smitham wrote:
>>
>> Corwin,
>>
>> I'm sure there is. David will let you know what you need to do. Look
>> forward to seeing you at the end if June.
>>
>> ~Hugh
>>
>> On May 12, 2016 10:36 AM, "Corwin" <ern...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi -
>>>
>>> Any chance there's still room?
>>>
>>> If so, I'd like to come.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>>
>>> Corwin
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, March 1, 2016 at 8:48:23 PM UTC-8, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>> The Entmoot/Jamboree two years ago was a fantastic, grass-roots event
>>>> that everyone enjoyed and talked about for a while. It seemed like
>>>> everything really fell into place (except I had to leave early) for a
>>>> fantastic weekend. That enjoyable event got us thinking about something
>>>> similar. We talked about it, but nothing came of it.
>>>>
>>>> Fast forward to last December when Hugh, Jim, and myself made a trip to
>>>> the West Point Inn, and had a phenomenal time there celebrating Jacquie
>>>> Phelan's (and Philip W's!) birthday. An absolute blast.  We can't recreate
>>>> those moments, but we want to have another opportunity back at the Inn with
>>>> any like minded folks to celebrate life, life on a bicycle, the historical
>>>> context, in one of the most beautiful storied areas I can imagine. So with
>>>> Jacquie's help we are hosting a SoCal/NorCal get together in June!
>>>>
>>>> We have reserved the entire facility for those two nights, and want to
>>>> pack in as many people as we can. We hope many of you living in the Bay 
>>>> Area
>>>> that we don't get to visit can make it! Maybe even some people from out of
>>>> the area can make it there as well (Looking at you, PDXers)!
>>>>
>>>> The costs are very reasonable. For the two nights, it is $2,400. If we
>>>> can get 30 of us, it will be $80 a person. Throw in another $20-50 for
>>>> Saturday night dinner and breakfast, and you're looking at a bit less than
>>>> $150 at most for a unique two night experience in a very special (magical
>>>> even!) place. I/we hope many of you can come.
>>>>
>>>> For those not able to do the whole stay, we are planning on a Saturday
>>>> ramble of a ride, followed by the above-mentioned dinner.  Thinking the 
>>>> Pine
>>>> Mountain Loop, Repack to Fairfax to the Marin Museum of Bicycling back to
>>>> the Inn. Plenty of alternative routes if someone doesn't want to do that.
>>>> Just kind of a cool way to really take advantage of what the area has to
>>>> offer.  So for sure, plan on being there for the ride and dinner! We'll
>>>> figure out a cost per person for just the dinner, it won't be much. Won't
>>>> even worry about it if it's just a few people, but hoping to get a decent
>>>> sized group there.
>>>>
>>>> Dinner Friday night is potluck. Sat a.m. breakfast leftovers and
>>>> communal pancakes or similar. Sat lunch on your own. Sat dinner provided.
>>>> Sun breakfast leftovers/communal. Pretty low key. We're hoping to have some
>>>> beer provided, but everyone bring a six pack or bottle of your favorite is 
>>>> a
>>>> way to do it as well.
>>>>
>>>> Sleeping arrangements are somewhere in the range of hostel level. Four
>>>> to five beds per room. Bring sheets or a bag, clean your own room, do the
>>>> dishes, sweep the floors arrangement. Not plush, but it ain't camping.
>>>>
>>>> Here are my pics from the weekend I was up there:
>>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/albums/72157661872299170
>>>>
>>>> Hugh's thoughts on the subject:
>>>> http://velocipeedemusings.com/2016/01/13/misty-mountain-celebration-with-a-legend-a-mount-tam-experience/
>>>>
>>>> Logistics to follow. Leaning toward collecting using checks vs. using
>>>> Paypal.

[RBW] Re: [socalallrounders] Re: RBW Listers Take Over The West Point Inn, June 24 & 25 - Join us there!!!

[cyclotourist]

I knew who you meant... :)

That's perfect way to maximize you down-time! A lot of driving about, but
seems doable. Totally no problem on our end.

On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 10:37 PM, Bruce Smitham <bsmit...@jlohr.com> wrote:

> David, apologies because I think I accidentally called you Jim on my first
> email J
>
>
>
> I will probably rent a car on Friday from SFO, spend the one Friday night
> at West Point Inn (if it’s available to me), go on the ride on Saturday and
> get back to my car by around 4pm so I can pack it up and get to Oakland
> Airport (return car) and fly out by 8pm.
>
>
>
>
> *Bruce Smitham *Senior California Area Manager
> 310-968-6910 bsmit...@jlohr.com
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>
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>
>
>
> [image: cid:image001.jpg@01D1AAA5.671FAD30]
>
>
>
> J. Lohr Vineyards & Wines is Certified California Sustainable
>
>
>
> *From:* socalallround...@googlegroups.com [mailto:
> socalallround...@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *cyclotourist
> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 24, 2016 10:16 PM
>
> *To:* socalallround...@googlegroups.com
> *Cc:* RBW Owners Bunch <rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [socalallrounders] Re: RBW Listers Take Over The West
> Point Inn, June 24 & 25 - Join us there!!!
>
>
>
> All based on the timing of it!!!
>
>
>
> On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 9:58 PM, Bruce Smitham <bsmit...@jlohr.com> wrote:
>
> Absolutely! I just don’t know what to do with the suitcase while I’m
> riding. Maybe I can store it and my other bag in someone’s car?
>
>
>
>
> *Bruce Smitham *Senior California Area Manager
> 310-968-6910 bsmit...@jlohr.com
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>
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> <http://www.youtube.com/user/JlohrWine?feature=guide>
>
>
>
> [image: cid:image001.jpg@01D1AAA5.671FAD30]
>
>
>
> J. Lohr Vineyards & Wines is Certified California Sustainable
>
>
>
> *From:* socalallround...@googlegroups.com [mailto:
> socalallround...@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *cyclotourist
> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 24, 2016 9:42 PM
> *To:* socalallround...@googlegroups.com
> *Cc:* RBW Owners Bunch <rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [socalallrounders] Re: RBW Listers Take Over The West
> Point Inn, June 24 & 25 - Join us there!!!
>
>
>
> That's why you bought a travel bike, right!!!
>
>
>
> On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 9:37 PM, Bruce Smitham <bsmit...@jlohr.com> wrote:
>
> Jim, I might be able to do the 24th ride. I will be coming in from a
> National Sales Meeting in Paso & arriving early afternoon around either San
> Jose or SFO. I could bring my Ritchey breakaway Cross bike. I leave for
> Europe on June 25th @ 8pm out of Oakland Airport. I’d love to do this so
> let me know if I can join?
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
>
>
>
> *Bruce Smitham *Senior California Area Manager
> 310-968-6910 bsmit...@jlohr.com
> J. Lohr Vineyards & Wines | jlohr.com
> Facebook & Twitter | @JLohrWines
>
> View the J. Lohr Story!
> <http://www.youtube.com/user/JlohrWine?feature=guide>
>
>
>
> [image: cid:image001.jpg@01D1AAA5.671FAD30]
>
>
>
> J. Lohr Vineyards & Wines is Certified California Sustainable
>
>
>
> *From:* socalallround...@googlegroups.com [mailto:
> socalallround...@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *cyclotourist
> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 24, 2016 7:57 PM
> *To:* socalallround...@googlegroups.com
> *Cc:* RBW Owners Bunch <rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [socalallrounders] Re: RBW Listers Take Over The West
> Point Inn, June 24 & 25 - Join us there!!!
>
>
>
> So it would appear I can't count to 20 without having to take off my socks.
>
> There are two spots available in an inside room if anyone was on the fence
> and dissuaded by my previous post...
>
> :)
>
>
>
> On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 8:54 AM, cyclotour...@gmail.com <
> cyclotour...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> And we're lighting up the no vacancy sign! Every bed is accounted for,
> which is pretty awesome! Working on menu items and Saturday route options.
>
>
>
> Saturday is 114% an open ride, we hope many of the locals can come out and
> ride around Marin with us for the day. Most likely riding trails from WPI
> down to Fairfax, touring the MTB museum, then meandering back up the hill.
> A casual pace will be maintained!
>
>
>
> Dinner is being cooked by Jacquie that evening, and everyone can join in
> 

Re: [RBW] Ride report about a 400K on an A.Homer Hilsen

[cyclotourist]

It most definitely feels good to be alive!

On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 9:27 PM, Iron Rider <1000...@gmail.com> wrote:

> For those who may be interested:
>
>
> http://eprider.blogspot.com/2016/05/spirited-rides-or-revisting-hierarchy.html
>
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[RBW] Re: [socalallrounders] Re: RBW Listers Take Over The West Point Inn, June 24 & 25 - Join us there!!!

[cyclotourist]

All based on the timing of it!!!

On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 9:58 PM, Bruce Smitham <bsmit...@jlohr.com> wrote:

> Absolutely! I just don’t know what to do with the suitcase while I’m
> riding. Maybe I can store it and my other bag in someone’s car?
>
>
>
>
> *Bruce Smitham *Senior California Area Manager
> 310-968-6910 bsmit...@jlohr.com
> J. Lohr Vineyards & Wines | jlohr.com
> Facebook & Twitter | @JLohrWines
>
> View the J. Lohr Story!
> <http://www.youtube.com/user/JlohrWine?feature=guide>
>
>
>
> [image: cid:image001.jpg@01D1AAA5.671FAD30]
>
>
>
> J. Lohr Vineyards & Wines is Certified California Sustainable
>
>
>
> *From:* socalallround...@googlegroups.com [mailto:
> socalallround...@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *cyclotourist
> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 24, 2016 9:42 PM
> *To:* socalallround...@googlegroups.com
> *Cc:* RBW Owners Bunch <rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [socalallrounders] Re: RBW Listers Take Over The West
> Point Inn, June 24 & 25 - Join us there!!!
>
>
>
> That's why you bought a travel bike, right!!!
>
>
>
> On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 9:37 PM, Bruce Smitham <bsmit...@jlohr.com> wrote:
>
> Jim, I might be able to do the 24th ride. I will be coming in from a
> National Sales Meeting in Paso & arriving early afternoon around either San
> Jose or SFO. I could bring my Ritchey breakaway Cross bike. I leave for
> Europe on June 25th @ 8pm out of Oakland Airport. I’d love to do this so
> let me know if I can join?
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
>
>
>
> *Bruce Smitham *Senior California Area Manager
> 310-968-6910 bsmit...@jlohr.com
> J. Lohr Vineyards & Wines | jlohr.com
> Facebook & Twitter | @JLohrWines
>
> View the J. Lohr Story!
> <http://www.youtube.com/user/JlohrWine?feature=guide>
>
>
>
> [image: cid:image001.jpg@01D1AAA5.671FAD30]
>
>
>
> J. Lohr Vineyards & Wines is Certified California Sustainable
>
>
>
> *From:* socalallround...@googlegroups.com [mailto:
> socalallround...@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *cyclotourist
> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 24, 2016 7:57 PM
> *To:* socalallround...@googlegroups.com
> *Cc:* RBW Owners Bunch <rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [socalallrounders] Re: RBW Listers Take Over The West
> Point Inn, June 24 & 25 - Join us there!!!
>
>
>
> So it would appear I can't count to 20 without having to take off my socks.
>
> There are two spots available in an inside room if anyone was on the fence
> and dissuaded by my previous post...
>
> :)
>
>
>
> On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 8:54 AM, cyclotour...@gmail.com <
> cyclotour...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> And we're lighting up the no vacancy sign! Every bed is accounted for,
> which is pretty awesome! Working on menu items and Saturday route options.
>
>
>
> Saturday is 114% an open ride, we hope many of the locals can come out and
> ride around Marin with us for the day. Most likely riding trails from WPI
> down to Fairfax, touring the MTB museum, then meandering back up the hill.
> A casual pace will be maintained!
>
>
>
> Dinner is being cooked by Jacquie that evening, and everyone can join in
> on that, whether they are spending the night or not. It's encouraged and
> hoped for, actually!
>
> More details to follow!
>
>
>
> Thanks to all who jumped on-board for this, it's actually falling into
> place perfectly!!!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, March 1, 2016 at 8:48:23 PM UTC-8, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> The Entmoot/Jamboree two years ago was a fantastic, grass-roots event that
> everyone enjoyed and talked about for a while. It seemed like everything
> really fell into place (except I had to leave early) for a fantastic
> weekend. That enjoyable event got us thinking about something similar. We
> talked about it, but nothing came of it.
>
>
>
> Fast forward to last December when Hugh, Jim, and myself made a trip to
> the West Point Inn <http://www.westpointinn.com/>, and had a phenomenal
> time there celebrating Jacquie Phelan's (and Philip W's!) birthday. An
> absolute blast.  We can't recreate those moments, but we want to have
> another opportunity back at the Inn with any like minded folks to celebrate
> life, life on a bicycle, the historical context, in one of the most
> beautiful storied areas I can imagine. So with Jacquie's help we are
> hosting a SoCal/NorCal get together in June!
>
>
>
> We have reserved the entire facility for those two nights, and want to
> pack in as many people as we can. We hope many of you living in the Bay
> Area that we don't get to visit can ma

[RBW] Re: [socalallrounders] Re: RBW Listers Take Over The West Point Inn, June 24 & 25 - Join us there!!!

[cyclotourist]

That's why you bought a travel bike, right!!!

On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 9:37 PM, Bruce Smitham <bsmit...@jlohr.com> wrote:

> Jim, I might be able to do the 24th ride. I will be coming in from a
> National Sales Meeting in Paso & arriving early afternoon around either San
> Jose or SFO. I could bring my Ritchey breakaway Cross bike. I leave for
> Europe on June 25th @ 8pm out of Oakland Airport. I’d love to do this so
> let me know if I can join?
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
>
>
>
> *Bruce Smitham *Senior California Area Manager
> 310-968-6910 bsmit...@jlohr.com
> J. Lohr Vineyards & Wines | jlohr.com
> Facebook & Twitter | @JLohrWines
>
> View the J. Lohr Story!
> <http://www.youtube.com/user/JlohrWine?feature=guide>
>
>
>
> [image: cid:image001.jpg@01D1AAA5.671FAD30]
>
>
>
> J. Lohr Vineyards & Wines is Certified California Sustainable
>
>
>
> *From:* socalallround...@googlegroups.com [mailto:
> socalallround...@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *cyclotourist
> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 24, 2016 7:57 PM
> *To:* socalallround...@googlegroups.com
> *Cc:* RBW Owners Bunch <rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [socalallrounders] Re: RBW Listers Take Over The West
> Point Inn, June 24 & 25 - Join us there!!!
>
>
>
> So it would appear I can't count to 20 without having to take off my socks.
>
> There are two spots available in an inside room if anyone was on the fence
> and dissuaded by my previous post...
>
> :)
>
>
>
> On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 8:54 AM, cyclotour...@gmail.com <
> cyclotour...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> And we're lighting up the no vacancy sign! Every bed is accounted for,
> which is pretty awesome! Working on menu items and Saturday route options.
>
>
>
> Saturday is 114% an open ride, we hope many of the locals can come out and
> ride around Marin with us for the day. Most likely riding trails from WPI
> down to Fairfax, touring the MTB museum, then meandering back up the hill.
> A casual pace will be maintained!
>
>
>
> Dinner is being cooked by Jacquie that evening, and everyone can join in
> on that, whether they are spending the night or not. It's encouraged and
> hoped for, actually!
>
> More details to follow!
>
>
>
> Thanks to all who jumped on-board for this, it's actually falling into
> place perfectly!!!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, March 1, 2016 at 8:48:23 PM UTC-8, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> The Entmoot/Jamboree two years ago was a fantastic, grass-roots event that
> everyone enjoyed and talked about for a while. It seemed like everything
> really fell into place (except I had to leave early) for a fantastic
> weekend. That enjoyable event got us thinking about something similar. We
> talked about it, but nothing came of it.
>
>
>
> Fast forward to last December when Hugh, Jim, and myself made a trip to
> the West Point Inn <http://www.westpointinn.com/>, and had a phenomenal
> time there celebrating Jacquie Phelan's (and Philip W's!) birthday. An
> absolute blast.  We can't recreate those moments, but we want to have
> another opportunity back at the Inn with any like minded folks to celebrate
> life, life on a bicycle, the historical context, in one of the most
> beautiful storied areas I can imagine. So with Jacquie's help we are
> hosting a SoCal/NorCal get together in June!
>
>
>
> We have reserved the entire facility for those two nights, and want to
> pack in as many people as we can. We hope many of you living in the Bay
> Area that we don't get to visit can make it! Maybe even some people from
> out of the area can make it there as well (Looking at you, PDXers)!
>
>
>
> The costs are very reasonable. For the two nights, it is $2,400. If we can
> get 30 of us, it will be $80 a person. Throw in another $20-50 for Saturday
> night dinner and breakfast, and you're looking at a bit less than $150 at
> most for a unique two night experience in a very special (magical even!)
> place. I/we hope many of you can come.
>
>
>
> For those not able to do the whole stay, we are planning on a Saturday
> ramble of a ride, followed by the above-mentioned dinner.  Thinking the
> Pine Mountain Loop, Repack to Fairfax to the Marin Museum of Bicycling back
> to the Inn. Plenty of alternative routes if someone doesn't want to do
> that. Just kind of a cool way to really take advantage of what the area has
> to offer.  So for sure, plan on being there for the ride and dinner!
> We'll figure out a cost per person for just the dinner, it won't be much.
> Won't even worry about it if it's just a few people, but hoping to get a
> decent sized group there.
>
>
>
> Dinn

Re: [RBW] Spring in CA

[cyclotourist]

Thanks for putting that together and sharing. What a great adventure!

On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 7:07 PM, Daniel Jackson <
daniel.seth.jack...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Howdy folks,
>
> Here are photos  of a trip
> this past Spring inspired and aided by many of you. Thanks to all who
> helped me put these routes together.
>
> Best,
> Daniel
> Northeast Kingdom, VT
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: [socalallrounders] Re: RBW Listers Take Over The West Point Inn, June 24 & 25 - Join us there!!!

[cyclotourist]

Thanks, Doug! Excited this many people can jump on board!

On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 9:11 PM, dougP  wrote:

> This will be a super fun weekend. Thanks for getting this off the ground.
>
> Doug p
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[RBW] Re: [socalallrounders] Re: RBW Listers Take Over The West Point Inn, June 24 & 25 - Join us there!!!

[cyclotourist]

So it would appear I can't count to 20 without having to take off my socks.
There are two spots available in an inside room if anyone was on the fence
and dissuaded by my previous post...
:)

On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 8:54 AM, cyclotour...@gmail.com <
cyclotour...@gmail.com> wrote:

> And we're lighting up the no vacancy sign! Every bed is accounted for,
> which is pretty awesome! Working on menu items and Saturday route options.
>
> Saturday is 114% an open ride, we hope many of the locals can come out and
> ride around Marin with us for the day. Most likely riding trails from WPI
> down to Fairfax, touring the MTB museum, then meandering back up the hill.
> A casual pace will be maintained!
>
> Dinner is being cooked by Jacquie that evening, and everyone can join in
> on that, whether they are spending the night or not. It's encouraged and
> hoped for, actually!
> More details to follow!
>
> Thanks to all who jumped on-board for this, it's actually falling into
> place perfectly!!!
>
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, March 1, 2016 at 8:48:23 PM UTC-8, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> The Entmoot/Jamboree two years ago was a fantastic, grass-roots event
>> that everyone enjoyed and talked about for a while. It seemed like
>> everything really fell into place (except I had to leave early) for a
>> fantastic weekend. That enjoyable event got us thinking about something
>> similar. We talked about it, but nothing came of it.
>>
>> Fast forward to last December when Hugh, Jim, and myself made a trip to
>> the West Point Inn <http://www.westpointinn.com/>, and had a phenomenal
>> time there celebrating Jacquie Phelan's (and Philip W's!) birthday. An
>> absolute blast.  We can't recreate those moments, but we want to have
>> another opportunity back at the Inn with any like minded folks to celebrate
>> life, life on a bicycle, the historical context, in one of the most
>> beautiful storied areas I can imagine. So with Jacquie's help we are
>> hosting a SoCal/NorCal get together in June!
>>
>> We have reserved the entire facility for those two nights, and want to
>> pack in as many people as we can. We hope many of you living in the Bay
>> Area that we don't get to visit can make it! Maybe even some people from
>> out of the area can make it there as well (Looking at you, PDXers)!
>>
>> The costs are very reasonable. For the two nights, it is $2,400. If we
>> can get 30 of us, it will be $80 a person. Throw in another $20-50 for
>> Saturday night dinner and breakfast, and you're looking at a bit less than
>> $150 at most for a unique two night experience in a very special (magical
>> even!) place. I/we hope many of you can come.
>>
>> For those not able to do the whole stay, we are planning on a Saturday
>> ramble of a ride, followed by the above-mentioned dinner.  Thinking the
>> Pine Mountain Loop, Repack to Fairfax to the Marin Museum of Bicycling back
>> to the Inn. Plenty of alternative routes if someone doesn't want to do
>> that. Just kind of a cool way to really take advantage of what the area has
>> to offer.  So for sure, plan on being there for the ride and dinner!
>> We'll figure out a cost per person for just the dinner, it won't be much.
>> Won't even worry about it if it's just a few people, but hoping to get a
>> decent sized group there.
>>
>> Dinner Friday night is potluck. Sat a.m. breakfast leftovers and communal
>> pancakes or similar. Sat lunch on your own. Sat dinner provided. Sun
>> breakfast leftovers/communal. Pretty low key. We're hoping to have some
>> beer provided, but everyone bring a six pack or bottle of your favorite is
>> a way to do it as well.
>>
>> Sleeping arrangements are somewhere in the range of hostel level. Four to
>> five beds per room. Bring sheets or a bag, clean your own room, do the
>> dishes, sweep the floors arrangement. Not plush, but it ain't camping.
>>
>> Here are my pics from the weekend I was up there:
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/albums/72157661872299170
>>
>> Hugh's thoughts on the subject:
>> http://velocipeedemusings.com/2016/01/13/misty-mountain-celebration-with-a-legend-a-mount-tam-experience/
>>
>>
>> Logistics to follow. Leaning toward collecting using checks vs. using
>> Paypal. I can just sit on them and cash them all at once. For food
>> budgeting I'd rather go over a bit on individual cost and donate any excess
>> to the Inn (nonprofit) or to Charlie's medical expenses. Will be very
>> transparent, but money is touchy of course. If we can't get to 30 people,
>> the cost per person will go up according

Re: [RBW] How do you know what the VAT/duty is going to be if you buy from EU/Japan?

[cyclotourist]

Outside of the EU, you don't have to pay the VAT. So when you're looking at
a vendor's site like https://www.bike24.com/ when you change your location
to United States it calculates the price without the VAT included. Shipping
is usually a fixed amount, around $20. Never had to pay any duty.


On Fri, May 20, 2016 at 9:04 PM, Lungimsam  wrote:

> I know some of you buy from EU and Japanese vendors. Some products are
> waaayy less expensive if bought from them and the shipping seems
> reasonable. But how can you tell if you will have to pay duty/VAT fees and
> what they will be?
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Re: [RBW] Re: Slightly OT; WTB BURLEY PICCOLO

[cyclotourist]

Piccolos are absolutely the best!

Bike Train: https://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/3399769896/

Ultra-bike train: https://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/1023320491

On Wed, May 18, 2016 at 7:10 PM, 'Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch <
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Thanks Eric and Jeremy. I may order an extra for another bike. Even if he
> outgrows the Piccolo in another year, that will still leave me with one
> useful, bombproof rack.
>
> On Wednesday, May 18, 2016 at 10:44:12 AM UTC-4, Jeremy Tavan wrote:
>>
>> The Moose racks (bought recently) do have a threaded hole in the center
>> for the bolt on our (new, not MUSA) Piccolo to attach to. I don't know if
>> the old model had a different attachment, but I can confirm that the racks
>> DO have a bolt hole.
>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: First weekend of riding... ouch.

[cyclotourist]

Gonna' be a good time!

On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 11:33 PM, Hugh Smitham <hughsmit...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> David,
>
> So glad your back on the bike bro. I like the way your thinking and before
> long you'll back in your good ol shape. Looking forward to the shindig at
> the end of June, so take it mellow Mr.
>
> Warm Regards,
>
> ~Hugh
>
>
> On Monday, May 16, 2016 at 10:56:33 AM UTC-7, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> Big weekend of riding for me... the first real riding since I broke my
>> clavicle on March 9th. Both days this weekend for pleasantly overcast and
>> temps in the high 60-low 70 range. Perfect days to ride. I started out
>> "just" ring the local path out to the river. A nice easy rail to trail
>> grade out and back, right. After getting to the end of it, enjoying the
>> weather, and seeing the minimal elevation dirt trail in front of me, I had
>> to give it a try. At least until it gets bumps (it's all bumpy). Oh what
>> the heck, might as well ride to the end, it's all down-hill from there. Now
>> at the end, I might as well take the dirt trails back home, they're just as
>> down-hill as the streets are!
>> In all, 17 miles with 700 ft of elevation... pretty mellow, but bumpy.
>> <https://www.strava.com/activities/576147524>
>> Favorite pic from the day:
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/26414997023/
>>
>> Next day, I said I'll take it easy. Just go for a ride with the 13 y.o.
>> Same plan, nice and steady. 25 miles and 1700 ft later...
>> <https://www.strava.com/activities/577475466> well, my clavicle is
>> definitely hurting today. D'oh!
>> Not too many pics from Sunday, but sure found the best back yard to hang
>> out in:
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/27039068645/in/photostream/
>>
>> Have decided I don't care of Albatross bars for long rides. I put them on
>> to take the weight off my arms/shoulder, but instead they force my
>> shoulders up too far, and make me feel like I'm hunched up. Lowering the
>> bars puts too much weight on my hands uncomfortably. Probably back to my
>> Moustache bar stand by...
>>
>> So good times this weekend!
>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: First weekend of riding... ouch.

[cyclotourist]

Oh, push ups scare me, just the thought of them! I imagine the bone
cracking again, that's an image!!!

On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 10:53 PM, IanA <attew...@gmail.com> wrote:

> That collarbone will bother you for a while. I broke mine (Superman
> landing over the handlebars when front wheel locked in a crack in the
> road).  The bone knitted back together relatively quickly and came back
> together straight, but I think the muscles and tendons take quite a bit
> longer to regain strength.  A longer ride would bother the shoulder, but
> pretty sure only because of the muscle atrophy in the area.  As part of
> your back to bike regimen, add in regular sets of push-ups and other
> strength building techniques.  Ron's comments about core strength are good
> to keep in mind on and off the bike.
>
> Best wishes for the continuing healing process and get the strength back
> as soon as possible.
>
> Ian A/Canada
>
> On Monday, May 16, 2016 at 11:56:33 AM UTC-6, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Big weekend of riding for me... the first real riding since I broke my
>> clavicle on March 9th. Both days this weekend for pleasantly overcast and
>> temps in the high 60-low 70 range. Perfect days to ride. I started out
>> "just" ring the local path out to the river. A nice easy rail to trail
>> grade out and back, right. After getting to the end of it, enjoying the
>> weather, and seeing the minimal elevation dirt trail in front of me, I had
>> to give it a try. At least until it gets bumps (it's all bumpy). Oh what
>> the heck, might as well ride to the end, it's all down-hill from there. Now
>> at the end, I might as well take the dirt trails back home, they're just as
>> down-hill as the streets are!
>> In all, 17 miles with 700 ft of elevation... pretty mellow, but bumpy.
>> <https://www.strava.com/activities/576147524>
>> Favorite pic from the day:
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/26414997023/
>>
>> Next day, I said I'll take it easy. Just go for a ride with the 13 y.o.
>> Same plan, nice and steady. 25 miles and 1700 ft later...
>> <https://www.strava.com/activities/577475466> well, my clavicle is
>> definitely hurting today. D'oh!
>> Not too many pics from Sunday, but sure found the best back yard to hang
>> out in:
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/27039068645/in/photostream/
>>
>> Have decided I don't care of Albatross bars for long rides. I put them on
>> to take the weight off my arms/shoulder, but instead they force my
>> shoulders up too far, and make me feel like I'm hunched up. Lowering the
>> bars puts too much weight on my hands uncomfortably. Probably back to my
>> Moustache bar stand by...
>>
>> So good times this weekend!
>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: First weekend of riding... ouch.

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Thanks, Ron! I tried to keep that in mind, not sure what wasn't working. I
think the distance with those bars I'm not used to. Whenever I ride with
them extensively, they cause shoulder aches. They're fine and good for
short hops 'round town, but not 25 milers IMHO.

DP, I did feel good, so kept going! Nothing terribly bad, but I'm imagining
I'm not helping the healing process along too much...

Doug, it was this great weather... just couldn't stay at home any longer!
Luckily I had the endurance to do a 17 then 25er, but better take it easy...

On Mon, May 16, 2016 at 1:11 PM, Ron Mc  wrote:

> I hope you're in the habit of bending your elbows and supporting with your
> core muscles.
> Keeping  your upper back relaxed is very important, especially for long
> rides.
> good luck.
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Re: [RBW] Re: RBW Listers Take Over The West Point Inn, June 24 & 25 - Join us there!!!

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Yes, definitely! Glad this topic came back around, I've been meaning to
talk it up a bit now that the date is closer.

Space for the whole weekend as well as the above-mentioned Saturday ramble.

Anyone who wants to commit with their hard-earned cash, just pm me at the
cyclotourist gmail address.

On Fri, May 13, 2016 at 4:38 PM, Brencho <bren...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hey folks, I'd love to join in if there's still space!  Been meaning to
> check it out for a while now. Well done!
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Re: [RBW] Re: RBW Listers Take Over The West Point Inn, June 24 & 25 - Join us there!!!

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June 24th & 25th... make it happen!

On Thu, May 12, 2016 at 7:43 PM, Hugh Smitham  wrote:

> I like the way you're thinking Mark.
> On May 12, 2016 6:48 PM, "'Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch" <
> rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> That's very funny, same thing happens to me every time I see this post.
>> Beacon is just a few miles north of the academy,  on the other side of the
>> Hudson River. I think we have enough of a Hudson Valley contingent, plus
>> NYC Bobs are only a train ride away. Wait, getting my lists confused.
>> Anyway, enough RBW/BoBs whatevers to do, if not a full on sleepover, at
>> least a sympatico East Coast Rivish Ride that weekend. If we get real
>> ambitious, we could end up here:
>>
>> http://www.thewestpointmotel.com/
>>
>> Not quite the renowned rep of the West Point Inn, but hey, we New Yorkers
>> can roll with it.
>>
>> On Thursday, May 12, 2016 at 8:32:52 PM UTC-4, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>> I bet you could put on a pretty good ride along the Hudson!!! Even get
>>> some cross-continental pollination!
>>>
>>> On Thu, May 12, 2016 at 5:29 PM, LLM  wrote:
>>>
 This sounds like fun.  I'm new here (with a dark mustard Clem L-Style
 on order).  I also live in NY, not too far from the West Point Military
 Academy.  For a few minutes, I was envisioning a venue near the Hudson
 River and figuring out how I might attend.  How disappointing!
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Re: [RBW] Re: RBW Listers Take Over The West Point Inn, June 24 & 25 - Join us there!!!

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I bet you could put on a pretty good ride along the Hudson!!! Even get some
cross-continental pollination!

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> This sounds like fun.  I'm new here (with a dark mustard Clem L-Style on
> order).  I also live in NY, not too far from the West Point Military
> Academy.  For a few minutes, I was envisioning a venue near the Hudson
> River and figuring out how I might attend.  How disappointing!
> Linda M.
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Re: [RBW] Re: RBW Listers Take Over The West Point Inn, June 24 & 25 - Join us there!!!

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THANKS for bring this up... I've been meaning to bump this post again. We
just had our twenty-third confirmation, with another pending. So room for
four for sure, maybe six if we go up to thirty. I'm REALLY excited about
the whole thing, as everything is falling into place... amazing! We have
the Inn covered, and full dinner cooked by Ms. Phelan planned for Saturday
night. I'm planning on getting enough people to also end up covering
breakfast supplies, but it will be more informal setting.

Please also consider coming up for Saturday shenanigans, whether you stay
for dinner or not. We're hoping to have a semi-organized ride to Fairfax
and touring the MTB Hall of Fame/Museum there. If you would want to just
hang out on Saturday, that is 110% just fine as well. In fact stay for
dinner, just kick something for a WP Inn donation. We should have enough
food, unless there is going to be a ton of you (let me know if there will
be a ton of you).

Bay Area denizens in particular, if you haven't been to WP Inn, this is
your chance to experience a really magical place with a bunch of great
people in our extended bike-family!

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> Corwin,
>
> I'm sure there is. David will let you know what you need to do. Look
> forward to seeing you at the end if June.
>
> ~Hugh
> On May 12, 2016 10:36 AM, "Corwin" <ernf...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi -
>>
>> Any chance there's still room?
>>
>> If so, I'd like to come.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>>
>> Corwin
>>
>> On Tuesday, March 1, 2016 at 8:48:23 PM UTC-8, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>> The Entmoot/Jamboree two years ago was a fantastic, grass-roots event
>>> that everyone enjoyed and talked about for a while. It seemed like
>>> everything really fell into place (except I had to leave early) for a
>>> fantastic weekend. That enjoyable event got us thinking about something
>>> similar. We talked about it, but nothing came of it.
>>>
>>> Fast forward to last December when Hugh, Jim, and myself made a trip to
>>> the West Point Inn <http://www.westpointinn.com/>, and had a phenomenal
>>> time there celebrating Jacquie Phelan's (and Philip W's!) birthday. An
>>> absolute blast.  We can't recreate those moments, but we want to have
>>> another opportunity back at the Inn with any like minded folks to celebrate
>>> life, life on a bicycle, the historical context, in one of the most
>>> beautiful storied areas I can imagine. So with Jacquie's help we are
>>> hosting a SoCal/NorCal get together in June!
>>>
>>> We have reserved the entire facility for those two nights, and want to
>>> pack in as many people as we can. We hope many of you living in the Bay
>>> Area that we don't get to visit can make it! Maybe even some people from
>>> out of the area can make it there as well (Looking at you, PDXers)!
>>>
>>> The costs are very reasonable. For the two nights, it is $2,400. If we
>>> can get 30 of us, it will be $80 a person. Throw in another $20-50 for
>>> Saturday night dinner and breakfast, and you're looking at a bit less than
>>> $150 at most for a unique two night experience in a very special (magical
>>> even!) place. I/we hope many of you can come.
>>>
>>> For those not able to do the whole stay, we are planning on a Saturday
>>> ramble of a ride, followed by the above-mentioned dinner.  Thinking the
>>> Pine Mountain Loop, Repack to Fairfax to the Marin Museum of Bicycling back
>>> to the Inn. Plenty of alternative routes if someone doesn't want to do
>>> that. Just kind of a cool way to really take advantage of what the area has
>>> to offer.  So for sure, plan on being there for the ride and dinner!
>>> We'll figure out a cost per person for just the dinner, it won't be much.
>>> Won't even worry about it if it's just a few people, but hoping to get a
>>> decent sized group there.
>>>
>>> Dinner Friday night is potluck. Sat a.m. breakfast leftovers and
>>> communal pancakes or similar. Sat lunch on your own. Sat dinner
>>> provided. Sun breakfast leftovers/communal. Pretty low key. We're hoping to
>>> have some beer provided, but everyone bring a six pack or bottle of your
>>> favorite is a way to do it as well.
>>>
>>> Sleeping arrangements are somewhere in the range of hostel level. Four
>>> to five beds per room. Bring sheets or a bag, clean your own room, do the
>>> dishes, sweep the floors arrangement. Not plush, but it ain't camping.
>>>
>>> Here are

Re: [RBW] Shout out to Riv/Grant in today's Paul Component newsletter

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That Schwinn in the video with the Moustache bars and Technomic Dlx stem
looks like there's some cross-pollination happening!

On Wed, May 4, 2016 at 4:57 PM, Chris Birkenmaier 
wrote:

> Well that is interesting to know.  I have Pauls Racers on my ANT bike
> which also had a bunch of other Paul components on it.  I'm a big fan of
> his stuff
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Re: [RBW] Re: An Amusing Bike Service Anecdote

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Those are great... uhhhmm... valve stems
!

On Tue, Apr 26, 2016 at 6:56 PM, sameness  wrote:

> When I lived in rural Australia, I made my maiden voyage down to the local
> Treks-for-dads-BMX-for-kids chain shop to grab some tubes.
>
> There was obviously a store policy in effect where an employee had to make
> a point of complimenting something on or about the patron's bike when it
> rolled in (which is a totally great policy, by the way).
>
> Upon seeing my XO-1, replete and resplendent in all manner of Holy BOB-ish
> Grail parts, the tech behind the counter gave it three or fours up and
> downs with a puzzled brow, scrambling for recognition.
>
> He finally exclaimed, "Nice King headset!"
>
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> Los Angeles, CA USA
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Re: [RBW] How do you like your first step-through bike?

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My wife has a Glorius, and I borrow it occasionally when it's the easiest
bike to grab. I really like the step-through feature of the frame. I get
used to it really quickly and notice not being able to when I'm back on my
safety-frame bikes.

On Tue, Apr 26, 2016 at 1:25 PM, Daniel D.  wrote:

> Sometimes stepping over my top tube feels like a chore.  Not very often,
> usually at the end of a long ride or just when I'm carrying a lot of
> stuff.  When I test rode a clementine after a sam and clem I didn't notice
> any greater convenience mounting or dismounting.  But it wasn't a long or
> heavily laden ride.  So looking for thoughts from people that were on the
> fence like me kinda intrigued but hesitant and took the plunge.
>
> After all this time, still debating sam clem clementine maybe even
> that lone cheviot
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Re: [RBW] Annoying unwanted commentary/advice while riding a Rivendell.

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So there's always this: https://youtu.be/GpwxdvuOMQA?t=1m22s

On Mon, Apr 18, 2016 at 7:06 PM, dougP  wrote:
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Re: [RBW] New bar tape = new energy

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Such a great bike! Hope it stays around for a bit longer!

On Sun, Apr 17, 2016 at 2:24 PM, Esteban  wrote:

>  Every now and then, I consider selling my '99 Joe/Joe Riv Road custom
> with S couplers… Then I go for a ride on it and I say to myself: never!
>
> New bar tape goes a long way on this long-gone, minimalist, no rack-no
> fender mounts, 32mm max classic road machine. Ride is sublime. Have a great
> Sunday
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