[RBW] Re: Is an Atlantis Worth It?

[Bruce Byker James]

I was in a similar situation to you not long ago. I had a heavily 
Rivendell-influenced Fuji touring and a Kona Smoke. Last summer I was able 
to stop by Rivendell and ride a Clem and an Appaloosa. I loved them both 
about the same, except that I'm not crazy about the look of the step-thru 
Clem. I get that it's super practical, but I wanted something I would also 
love to look at. I lock up my bike in the city a decent amount, so it 
couldn't be too flashy. I had some unexpected money, but not very much, so 
the Appaloosa was out of range. I started paying close attention to the 
used market, came across a Clem H in my size and purchased it in March. I 
LOVE it! 

Without the unexpected money, I definitely would have kept enjoying the 
bikes I already had, but the Clem leveled-up my bicycle riding joy and so 
far it's made me spend more time riding.

 - Bruce

On Thursday, May 23, 2024 at 9:04:12 AM UTC-4 sarahlik...@gmail.com wrote:

> YES, you should get one. It's a lovely bike and capable of so many things. 
> If you want to be able to go from road to gravel and wherever you want you 
> should get this bike!
>
> On Wednesday, May 22, 2024 at 8:44:35 AM UTC-7 max.c@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> First: I realize I am asking this to an entirely biased group of people 
>> and I'm okay with that!
>>
>> For years I have casually dreamed of owning an Atlantis. I commute 4 
>> miles each way by bike, ditched my car a few years ago, and love riding, 
>> but I do it pretty casually. I'm not racing or doing endurance rides. I 
>> just like riding my bike and I do it whenever I can. 
>>
>> I don't need the nicest bike in the world and have been fairly satisfied 
>> with my 1988 Schwinn Cimarron that I've made a fair approximation of a poor 
>> man's rivendell (somewhat out of date pic below!). However, I've always had 
>> the itch to upgrade.
>>
>> Recently, I received an unexpected influx of cash and want to spend it on 
>> something fun. I'm wondering: how much will I noticeably appreciate the 
>> difference an Atlantis would bring if I were to spend the money? I'm 
>> especially interested in the input from those who have gone from the 80s 
>> era rigid MTB with swept back bars that approximate a Riv (and Grant's 
>> ethos from Bridgestone) to the real deal. Was it worth the money? Do you 
>> think you could have gotten by on that 80s frame?
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks in advance!
>> Max
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Bar Tape and/or Grips on an Albatross Bar

[James M]

I really like to use Oury grips with bar end shifters.  First I slice off 
the flange at the end, then I orient the grooves that run the length of the 
grips so one lines up with the shifter cable.  Then I use twine around the 
perpendicular grooves t lock the shifter cable into place.  Sorry - no 
photos, but hopefully it makes sense if you look at a photo of Oury grips.  
It works great!

On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 9:03:10 AM UTC-4 Steve wrote:

> Doug, I have used the following approach to run bar end shifter cabling 
> beneath ESI grips: 
> - Remove the shifters from the bars and fully withdraw the cable from the 
> housing.
> - Re-insert the cable into the housing leaving the shifter out of the 
> equation at this point.
> - Secure the housing with the cable in place to the bars by taping it just 
> forward of the area which will be covered by the grip. Let the cable extend 
> an inch or so  beyond the end of the bar.
> - Lubricate the interior of the grip and  the bar along with the cable 
> with a suitable product. I recommend alcohol gel hand sanitizer. (once the 
> alcohol evaporates the grip will be secure)
> - Slide the grip over the bar and cable housing - douse the bar with 
> additional sanitizer if necessary. Work quickly.
> - With the grip in place adjust  the position of the housing then withdraw 
> the cable.
> - Install the mount for the shifter and then thread the cable through the 
> shifter lever, the mount and back into the housing. 
> - Pull or push the cable forward to bring the lever into position on its 
> mount and secure it in place. 
> - There you have it!
>
> Steve
> On Wednesday, May 8, 2024 at 4:37:14 PM UTC-4 Doug H. wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>> I just recently installed Albatrass bars on my new to me Roadini. I also 
>> installed bar end shifters. I'm thinking I'll wrap Newbaums tape for grips 
>> but am considering some padding in the grip area. Has anyone used padding 
>> or been able to slide an ESI type of grip over the shifters? I've also 
>> considered splitting an ESI grip and wrapping that with Newbaums. Any 
>> examples or ideas would be most appreciated.
>> Doug
>>
>

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[RBW] FSOT: Nitto Boscomoose Handlebar 540mm

[Bruce Byker James]

For Sale: Nitto Boscomoose 540mm - $140 plus shipping (or pick up in 
Philadelphia)

Pictures Here 


Would consider partial or complete trade for the following:

   - 60mm Nitto Faceplater stem or similar (needs to have removable 
   faceplate, 60mm extension, and allow for at least 120mm of stem showing) 
   - Pair of Gravelkings SK+ 650B x 48 or similar - somewhat worn is okay, 
   prefer black
   

Thanks,

 - Bruce

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[RBW] Cockpit bag/cup holder

[James]

What is the best cockpit cup holder ya'll have explored and used?  Ideally 
it could alos hold a phone at times, and be somewhat versatile with cups, 
bottles, etc.

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Re: [RBW] Rivendell Roadbike Curious

[James M]

This is such great news.  Just read all the posts on her new blog!

On Monday, April 22, 2024 at 3:38:11 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:

> And Velouria has an April 2024 post!
>
> Leah might want to read back issues of Lovely Bicycle; Velouria/Constance 
> had a similar bike journey, including Rivendells and customs, from cycling 
> urban Boston to brevets, IIRC.
>
> On Mon, Apr 22, 2024 at 1:30 PM Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>
>> "I have to look up what “on the ramps” means. "
>>
>> Five hand-positions, defined and illustrated, by the lovely "Lovely 
>> Bicycle":
>>
>>
>> http://lovelybike.blogspot.com/2012/06/drop-bar-hand-positions-introduction.html
>>
>> BL in EC
>> On Monday, April 22, 2024 at 11:16:35 AM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> All of these replies are interesting. And when I read one I think, “Yes, 
>>> that’s right” and then read another which conflicts and change my mind. 
>>> This is going to be a journey. I can’t even believe how much there is to 
>>> know.
>>>
>>> I’m later getting here than the rest of you, I think. It was 2012 when I 
>>> first realized there were better bikes than the Walmart Schwinn I was 
>>> pulling my preschoolers around with. I got a Betty Foy with the biggest 
>>> racks and baskets money could buy and away we went. So happy! Still knowing 
>>> nothing! 
>>>
>>> Now those boys are in high school, and I live in a vibrant bike 
>>> community and suddenly it’s a whole new world for me. Every riding season I 
>>> end up learning and being stretched. I’m doing new kinds of rides, meeting 
>>> lots of people, volunteering on bike committees, and venturing a lot 
>>> further from home. 5 years ago I would never have believed I’d ride a 
>>> metric century or enjoy club riding. This is all wonderful, but I’m 
>>> hamstrung by my lack of experience. I always thought drop bars would have 
>>> to be uncomfortable. It wasn’t until this thread that I even considered 
>>> trying them. Are they a rite of passage? “Oh, you’ll never use them forever 
>>> but just scratch the itch now so you can say you have.” Or are they the 
>>> gold standard “They’ve been used for 100 years for good reason.” I worry 
>>> I’m too late to start using them after all this time on albatross and 
>>> Billies. I have to look up what “on the ramps” means. I don’t know what the 
>>> “right” geometry is for a road bike belonging to a devoted Rivendell rider 
>>> would be. I dread being uncomfortable. I fear screwing up with the new drop 
>>> bars and crashing in a peloton. I have no idea what shifters I’d put on 
>>> drop bars. I thought albastache might be a good compromise but heard they 
>>> aren’t wrist-neutral and then that they are. So.Much.To.Know. But 
>>> everything I do now scares me, so let’s go.
>>>
>>> Keep your replies coming! I read every one, even if I don’t respond, I 
>>> am definitely thinking about them and chatting with other RivSisters who 
>>> have similar questions.
>>>
>>> Thanks for taking the time!
>>> Leah
>>>
>>> On Monday, April 22, 2024 at 1:31:40 PM UTC-4 cz...@sonic.net wrote:
>>>
 Hi Leah -

 I would generally agree with what Ted said. Riding position and fit are 
 very important. But I don't think that's the only criteria I would use. I 
 have ten bikes. Five are Rivs. I have a Custom, Quickbeam, Roadeo, Ram and 
 Hubbuhubbuh. I find that geometry is important in my riding. Some bikes 
 can 
 be more "twitchy" and/or less stable because of their geometry. Things 
 like 
 trail, head and seat tube angles and bottom bracket drop can affect the 
 handling and stability of a bike. I don't get hung up on numbers, and 
 judge 
 the handling and stability based on how a bike rides.

 All of my Rivs are rock-solid stable and handle exceptionally well. I 
 know that the low center of gravity, trail and angles contribute to this. 
 Stability and handling are very important to me because I ride lots of 
 hills. Going uphill depends on gears, fitness and leg strength. The 
 stability and handling come into play going downhill. Rivs provide a level 
 of confidence I don't get on other bikes. You can be sure the bike will go 
 where you point it.

 About Albastache and Mustache bars - I have five bikes (some of them 
 Rivs) with Mustache and Albastache bars. I find I can get every bit as low 
 on Mustache and Albastache bars as on drop bars. The rest of my bikes have 
 drop bars. The main thing I like about drop bars is riding the hoods. On 
 drops, I find there are primarily three hand positions: 1) on the hoods, 
 2) 
 on the ramps (slightly farther back than on the hoods) and 3) on the flats 
 on either side of the stem. I rarely get into the drops. With the 
 Albastache and Mustache, I find I have more riding positions.

 Have fun on your road bike, whatever you get.

 Regards,


 Corwin
 On Sunday, April 21, 2024 

Re: [RBW] Re: Rack(s) for Clem

[Bruce Byker James]

I have the Axiom Journey on my Clem. I only had to spread the legs a little 
to get them on the outside of the seat stay bosses, but I like that 
suggestion to put them on the inside. It's really sturdy, especially on the 
Clem. I've used it for probably 50 lb. of groceries pretty easily.

If I were buying this rack again, I noticed they now make one with the 
spring on top:
https://www.axiomgear.com/products/racks/journey-racks/journey-with-spring/

 - Bruce

On Friday, April 19, 2024 at 10:12:02 AM UTC-4 mrg...@gmail.com wrote:

> I have the pletscher clem rack which is great (the mousetrap thing is 
> surprisingly useful, it can hold a basket in place) and an Axiom rack (I 
> think it's called streamliner) that is pretty lightweight. 
>
> One thing I do is put bolts for the lower legs of the rack on the inside 
> of the seatstay bosses which prevents the rack legs from having to spread 
> really wide.
>
> mike
>
> On Friday, April 19, 2024 at 8:48:20 AM UTC-5 Kim H. wrote:
>
>> @Igor -
>>
>> I have some Arkel panniers for sale with a pair of f/r Old Man Mountain 
>> racks for $500.00, plus shipping. If you do not want the racks, I will 
>> gladly sell the panniers separately for $300.00, plus shipping.
>> I have the tent pouch and fanny pack that are included in the sale. If 
>> you don't want the tent, that is fine. 
>>
>>
>> https://seattle.craigslist.org/oly/bop/d/yelm-arkel-r-panniers-with-old-man/7737089803.html
>>
>> Kim Hetzel. 
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Friday, April 19, 2024 at 6:33:33 AM UTC-7 Richard Rose wrote:
>>
>>> Hello Ian. I have a few racks for my Clem L (52) that I quite like. 
>>> First is a Riv “Shiny” rack. It is very sturdy/rigid and supports panniers 
>>> nicely. I have also used it as a saddlebag support. I also have a Nitto R10 
>>> for bag support. It works great & is beautiful. Perhaps a bit against the 
>>> grain I also use a Tumbleweed “T rack”. I have used this as a front rack on 
>>> the Clem & a rear rack on my Gus. It is unique in that it has three bolt 
>>> mounts built in to the vertical struts. I mount King many things caves and 
>>> use fork bags. I mount a Wald basket to the platform. It works great & 
>>> certainly would be a good large handlebar bag support.
>>> [image: image1.jpeg]
>>> [image: image0.jpeg]
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Apr 19, 2024, at 9:04 AM, ian m  wrote:
>>>
>>> I have one of the Pletscher rear racks Riv sold as the "Clem rack" if 
>>> you're interested. Has the removable pannier rails.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Friday, April 19, 2024 at 8:16:50 AM UTC-4 Igor wrote:
>>>
 What racks do folks like for their Clem? I am selling my campee racks 
 because they are not a good fit on the wider-dropouts of a Clem, and I'd 
 like something simpler for rear.

 1 for my wife, 1 for me (We both will have a Clem soon...orange one 
 coming for me :D )

 I am looking at the RB14 and also the Rivendell Big Rack. I'm probably 
 OK with just a saddle bag, and she may want panniers, so I figure the Big 
 Rack for her, but maybe some other options out there to consider?

 Thanks!

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Re: [RBW] Nitto/Riv Bullmoose thoughts

[James M]

Lovely bullmooses in here.  I have the choco-moose on my Hunq - which I 
love - but I'm intrigued about the possibilities of the bullmoose for trail 
riding...

James

On Thursday, April 18, 2024 at 11:38:08 AM UTC-4 larson@gmail.com wrote:

> [image: IMG_2484.jpeg][image: 
> E3DC21C4-E0AA-43EF-91A3-DF38B9CDA3DD.jpeg][image: 
> IMG_2597.jpeg]Thanks P.W. - here are three more.
> Randy in WI
>
>
> On Thursday, April 18, 2024 at 10:20:59 AM UTC-5 Matthew P wrote:
>
>> I like'em and rode them today.
>> A couple notes:
>> 1. Integrated stem - less adjustability. Can't play with stem 
>> (horizontal)length/reach nor rise/drop
>> 2. Cant slam it completely, if you wanted/needed to, bc of built in rise
>> 3. No clamp = no slippage there
>> 4. Sweep angle, reach etc. - to each their own
>>
>> I have them all the way up on an old ('84?) StumpJumper and that setup 
>> handles bad, terrible with a front load, but I blame that on the super 
>> slack head tube angle.
>>
>> Send unwanted bullmoosees to me please :)
>> Happy to trade for drops or something 
>>
>> Next build gets the chocomoose or Bosco moose I forget. 
>>
>> -Matthew P
>> San Diego / Kumeyaay
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 18, 2024, 6:25 AM P W  wrote:
>>
>>> Love that big boy Appa, Randy.
>>>
>>> More photos, please!
>>>
>>> P. W.
>>> ~
>>> (917) 514-2207
>>> ~
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Apr 18, 2024, at 5:38 AM, larson@gmail.com  
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I am a fan of the bullmoose bars. On my 62cm Appaloosa I like them when 
>>> the bike is set up as my ATB with bigger tires and more off road ready. I 
>>> initially thought they were too stiff as I had some wrist and shoulder 
>>> pain.Ergon grips solved this issue and I find them comfortable. I do set my 
>>> bike up with Billie bars during the summer for road/gravel riding, and like 
>>> them as well. I like the aesthetic of the bullmoose and probably could make 
>>> them work for all of my riding.
>>> Randy in WI
>>>
>>> On Thursday, April 18, 2024 at 12:25:56 AM UTC-5 exliontamer wrote:
>>>
>>>> Serious thanks to everyone for the photos & advice! I think I'm going 
>>>> to go for a set. Seems like looking at the photos it will suit my height, 
>>>> build, and even my setup on the Atlantis. I set my Cheviot back up with 
>>>> Albatross bars and while there's nothing wrong with having multiple bikes 
>>>> with the same bar, variety is just more fun. 
>>>> On Wednesday, April 17, 2024 at 10:14:44 PM UTC-5 Stephen wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I have a pair that i used to have on my appaloosa. I’m around 6’1-2” 
>>>>> and i really like the width and sweep. On my ‘21 appaloosa the reach was 
>>>>> good, some might consider it too long. i think itd probably be nice on an 
>>>>> older atlantis, just assuming that it would have a shorter top tube. very 
>>>>> solid bars of course, no flexy. One of the coolest looking bars, I’ll 
>>>>> always have them in the collection i think, I’m a perpetual bar swapper. 
>>>>> I 
>>>>> have the tig version, wish they were the fillet but both are good. 
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wednesday, April 17, 2024 at 10:47:03 PM UTC-4 philip@gmail.com 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Max,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I was just about to say your SimpleOne is the perfect bike.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Clearly we have overlapping tastes!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Our green bikes should be friends.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - Philip
>>>>>>
>>>>>> P. W.
>>>>>> ~
>>>>>> (917) 514-2207
>>>>>> ~
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Apr 17, 2024, at 7:39 PM, Max S  wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've tried them on my (dearly departed) SimpleOne, my QuickBeam, and 
>>>>>> even my Serotta. Great bars, and I could even use the forward extension 
>>>>>> to 
>>>>>> get low and fast. I still have these bars, waiting to be put back on the 
>>>>>> QB 
>>>>>> to make it into the tracklocross hoon wagon that it wants to be. At a 
&g

Re: [RBW] WTB - 9spd Dura Ace downtube shifters

[James Valiensi]

Hi,
I bought a NOS set from Alex Cycles in Japan a couple years ago. Paid $90. The 
set they replaced was installed in 2002 and were a bit loose. So, they last 
about 20-years.
I wish I had the matching derailleur. 

> On Apr 11, 2024, at 7:50 AM, John Dewey  wrote:
> 
> Who among us has used Dura-Ace 9-speed dt levers long enough to ‘wear them 
> out’? 
> 
> And if so, how long? 
> 
> Jock
> 
> On Wed, Apr 10, 2024 at 2:28 PM Ted Durant  > wrote:
> 
> On Wednesday, April 10, 2024 at 2:48:19 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
> Also, you can get brand new 9sp bar cons from Rivendell at $140, and 
> elsewhere for a few dollars less.  Some people run bar cons on their down 
> tube shifter bosses, and they work long fine.
>> 
>>  FYI, Grant tells me that he thinks Shimano has stopped making the 9sp 
>> bar-end shifters "after 25 or 26 years of making them". Get 'em while you 
>> can, and expect the price to get eye-watering. 
>> 
>> And, yes, you can run them on the down tube. Interesting bit of RBW history 
>> ... I pointed this out to Grant a long time ago, and that the opposite was 
>> true, that downtube shifters could be mounted on Shimano bar-end pods. And 
>> thus were born the Silver 1 bar-end shifters.
>> 
>> Ted Durant
>> Milwaukee WI USA 
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[RBW] Re: Spring Cleaning--Handlebars, Brakes, Stems, Bags

[James M]

Hey, Conway.  What color is that Squall Sack?

James

On Friday, March 22, 2024 at 8:18:59 AM UTC-4 captaincon...@gmail.com wrote:

> 46cm Fairweather Nitto 174aa short shallow Noodle drop bars with lots of 
> scratches. $90 net-to-me shipped.
>
> New-in-box Box Three mini-v brakes.  I have two pairs each of both red and 
> silver.  If you're not familiar, think of these as the poor man's Paul 
> Components Mini Moto.  $45 per wheel net-to-me shipped.
>
> New-without-box Tektro TRP RRL drop bar brake levers in all black.  $65 
> net-to-me shipped.
>
> New-in-box Dia-Compe Tech 77 Brake Levers (Black/Silver) for short pull 
> brakes.  $65 net-to-me shipped.
>
> New-in-box Velo Orange threadless stem with 40 mm reach and 31.8 clamp. 
>  $47 net-to-me shipped.
>
> New Analog/Fifth Season Squall Sack for Wald Baskets $90 net-to-me shipped.
>
> Barely used (I could lie and call it new) Bags X Bird Better Half - Small 
> Short (S-M Bikes) in Coyote X-Pac with metal hooks.  $120 net-to-me shipped.
>
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Conway 
>

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[RBW] 3rd parties for bike sales

[James]

Has anyone here experimented with 3rd party websites for "large" purchases 
from strangers?  I'm looking to buy a bike from someone on FB marketplace 
and it's not a local sale.  So in essence I'm sending over $1,000 to a 
stranger on their word.  What have ya'll done, if anything, to make sure 
you aren't getting scammed (asides from getting a sense of their character 
over the phone)?

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[RBW] Re: WTB/WTT: 60cm Cheviot (would consider Platty or 59cm Clem) in NC

[James]

I've messaged them both!  Thanks ya'll!!

On Wednesday, March 6, 2024 at 6:56:19 AM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> Oh wow, Kim, great finds! Pam Murray had me on the case (your RivSisters 
> got you, my friends!) and I could not find a single Cheviot for James. I 
> don’t ever search FB Marketplace - I need to start! James, just hurry and 
> snatch one of those; they are so dang rare!
>
> On Wednesday, March 6, 2024 at 12:24:05 AM UTC-5 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> In Seattle, Washington -
>>
>> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/423877213473715/?ref=search_code=null_story_type=post=browse_serp%3A4c497921-5d88-4b84-be40-c13146953aa4
>>
>> Kim Hetzel
>> just south of Seattle. 
>>
>> On Tuesday, March 5, 2024 at 4:50:42 PM UTC-8 Josh C wrote:
>>
>>> This may be something to consider. Seems like a nice bike at a good 
>>> price. 
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/381948061057358/?ref=search_code=null_story_type=post=browse_serp%3A3c57205e-196a-4825-8a0c-2a78f9e602e0
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, March 5, 2024 at 7:36:05 PM UTC-5 James wrote:
>>>
>>>> I am going to bump this one time.  I have had some offers but should 
>>>> have clarified, really partial to the blue or orange Cheviot color ways.
>>>>
>>>> On Tuesday, February 27, 2024 at 3:53:00 PM UTC-5 James wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I am looking to but a 60cm Cheviot, ideally just the F/BB/HS/F, and 
>>>>> ideally locally, in Western NC.  If it's not local, so be it.  If someone 
>>>>> is interested in a trade, then I have a 2018 62cm Appaloosa for your 
>>>>> consideration.  If not, then I've got cash.  Please let me know if you 
>>>>> have 
>>>>> this bike and are willing/able to part with it.
>>>>>
>>>>> I would *consider* a 60cm Platypus or a 59cm Clem L
>>>>>
>>>>

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[RBW] Re: WTB/WTT: 60cm Cheviot (would consider Platty or 59cm Clem) in NC

[James]

I am going to bump this one time.  I have had some offers but should have 
clarified, really partial to the blue or orange Cheviot color ways.

On Tuesday, February 27, 2024 at 3:53:00 PM UTC-5 James wrote:

> I am looking to but a 60cm Cheviot, ideally just the F/BB/HS/F, and 
> ideally locally, in Western NC.  If it's not local, so be it.  If someone 
> is interested in a trade, then I have a 2018 62cm Appaloosa for your 
> consideration.  If not, then I've got cash.  Please let me know if you have 
> this bike and are willing/able to part with it.
>
> I would *consider* a 60cm Platypus or a 59cm Clem L
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Roadini 50CM

[James Berry]

Correct.  I messed up somehow loading pictures and I'm unable to edit the
listing.
James

On Sat, Feb 24, 2024, 1:12 PM Chris Fly  wrote:

> I have to assume it's this one:
> https://sandiego.craigslist.org/esd/bik/d/el-cajon-rivendell-radini-50cm/7719401355.html
>
> On Saturday, February 24, 2024 at 12:00:44 PM UTC-8 Dorothy C wrote:
>
>> What color?
>>
>> On Saturday, February 24, 2024 at 8:48:20 AM UTC-8 James B wrote:
>>
>>> I recently purchased this Roadini but due to circumstances of life, I
>>> must pare down my fleet.  $1800 for local pickup in the San Diego area.  I
>>> am willing to ship but buyer will be responsible for shipping.
>>> 50 cm frame  PBH range of 77-83
>>> 9 cm Nitto stem
>>> 46cm Nitto bars
>>> Silver 2 shifters
>>> Nitto Seatpost
>>> Shimano Nexave Rear Derailleur
>>> Microshift Front Derailleur
>>> Velocity RIms laced to Shimano 105 hubs 32 hole
>>> Panaracer 700x38 Gravelkings
>>> Tektro R559 Brakes
>>> Silver 2 crankset
>>> Berthound Aravis Saddle (ti Rails)
>>> The bike is in perfect condition with 0 scratches.
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Roadini 50CM

[James Berry]

Paul,
A good deal indeed. My wife and I are moving and all but a few of my
favorite bikes must go.
I will be selling my 55cm green platypus  as well for a similar good deal.

On Sun, Feb 25, 2024, 8:04 AM 'Bikie#4646' via RBW Owners Bunch <
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> James, that seems to be a screaming deal! I'm on the East Coast and not in
> the market anyway. But I hope a list member winds up with this one.
>
> Paul Germain
> Midlothian, Va.
>
> On Saturday, February 24, 2024 at 11:48:20 AM UTC-5 James B wrote:
>
>> I recently purchased this Roadini but due to circumstances of life, I
>> must pare down my fleet.  $1800 for local pickup in the San Diego area.  I
>> am willing to ship but buyer will be responsible for shipping.
>> 50 cm frame  PBH range of 77-83
>> 9 cm Nitto stem
>> 46cm Nitto bars
>> Silver 2 shifters
>> Nitto Seatpost
>> Shimano Nexave Rear Derailleur
>> Microshift Front Derailleur
>> Velocity RIms laced to Shimano 105 hubs 32 hole
>> Panaracer 700x38 Gravelkings
>> Tektro R559 Brakes
>> Silver 2 crankset
>> Berthound Aravis Saddle (ti Rails)
>> The bike is in perfect condition with 0 scratches.
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[RBW] WTB/WTT: 60cm Cheviot (would consider Platty or 59cm Clem) in NC

[James]

I am looking to but a 60cm Cheviot, ideally just the F/BB/HS/F, and ideally 
locally, in Western NC.  If it's not local, so be it.  If someone is 
interested in a trade, then I have a 2018 62cm Appaloosa for your 
consideration.  If not, then I've got cash.  Please let me know if you have 
this bike and are willing/able to part with it.

I would *consider* a 60cm Platypus or a 59cm Clem L

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[RBW] FS: Roadini 50CM

[James B]

I recently purchased this Roadini but due to circumstances of life, I must 
pare down my fleet.  $1800 for local pickup in the San Diego area.  I am 
willing to ship but buyer will be responsible for shipping. 
50 cm frame  PBH range of 77-83
9 cm Nitto stem
46cm Nitto bars
Silver 2 shifters
Nitto Seatpost
Shimano Nexave Rear Derailleur
Microshift Front Derailleur
Velocity RIms laced to Shimano 105 hubs 32 hole
Panaracer 700x38 Gravelkings
Tektro R559 Brakes
Silver 2 crankset
Berthound Aravis Saddle (ti Rails)
The bike is in perfect condition with 0 scratches. 

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[RBW] kizirianarm...@gmail.com

[James]

Hi Armand,
$40 shipped for the Nitto cage?  to 28806

James

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[RBW] Re: FS: Jumbo Rosco Bubbe Iditabike

[James M]

Beautiful bike!

On Wednesday, January 3, 2024 at 11:35:50 PM UTC-5 Pam Bikes wrote:

> Nice bike but what size is it?  I only the sizes Riv offers.  I'm on the 
> short end 47.  When was it built?  Was it a protoype for the Betty Foy or 
> Cheviot?
> On Wednesday, January 3, 2024 at 7:03:57 PM UTC-5 Mackenzy Albright wrote:
>
>> This legitimately might be one of the coolest niche Rivendell builds I've 
>> seen. *slowly leaves room to avoid impulse decisions* 
>>
>> On Wednesday, January 3, 2024 at 3:15:55 PM UTC-8 Bones wrote:
>>
>>> I thought the day would never come! Really cool bike Kai. I'm sure 
>>> you'll find it a new home.
>>>
>>> Bones
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, January 3, 2024 at 5:33:04 PM UTC-5 Kainalu V. -Brooklyn 
>>> NY wrote:
>>>
 Multiple Roscos and multiple bills aren’t adding up, and ever since I 
 put it together, it hasn’t snowed. So here for sale is the bestest bike 
 for the larger folks out there. I think it measures 64 at the seat tube, 
 but I’ve got a geometry chart somewhere I’ll plug in here asap. 
 Pictures
 https://photos.app.goo.gl/U18G3VtrhaWFDisWA
 Some weird rare parts, some not. Heartily patinated racks with 
 internally wired dynamo lights and handmade wooden fenders (pretty 
 lightweight actually). Racks and fenders made by me, the front rack can 
 carry anything you can get into some panniers, with the rear rack only 
 ever 
 having held that light there and the fender steady, as I’m hesitant to 
 load 
 up the back of toptubeless frame. 
 I’m keeping the grips and the seat, but everything else you see is 
 included. Also included is a new Mavic 319 rim for when you’d like to swap 
 out the front. Rear wheel came with my Clem and hasn’t seen much of the 
 world.
 Very rare! Highly collectible?!
 $2000.
 Thanks for looking, and happy rolling to all
 -Kai




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Re: [RBW] Re: NYC Riv Ride?

[James M]

I'm in NJ too - Essex County, but I get out to Frenchtown every once in a 
while.  Sounds like a lovely ride for the spring!

James in South Orange

On Wednesday, January 3, 2024 at 10:01:55 PM UTC-5 Robert Blunt wrote:

> I am in Pennington NJ and prefer trails. The Delaware has trails on both 
> the PA side and the NJ side that are a nice way to spend a whole day. I 
> usually leave from the Washington Crossing State Park parking lot in 
> Titusville, ride north to Lambertville, cross the bridge into New Hope and 
> then catch the trail again north of town. All the way to Frenchtown (back 
> on the NJ side) is about forty miles back to the parking lot, but there is 
> also a nice turn around point in Lumbreville where you can get something to 
> eat at the General Store there. There is a footbridge that crosses the 
> river there right next to the Black Bass Hotel to get over to the NJ side. 
> The NJ side has better trail conditions but the PA side is prettier with 
> better river views. So I often take the PA trail back as well until New 
> Hope, back over to Lambertville, and south to Titusville. I am on 
> sabbatical this semester so I will have time to ride on Tuesdays and 
> Thursdays once I get my new Saluki up and running.
>
> Robert Blunt
> Pennington, NJ
>
> On Wed, Jan 3, 2024 at 5:05 PM Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY  
> wrote:
>
>> Sounds fun!
>> The Putnam trail North of Van Cortland is pretty, and ridiculously safe 
>> with decent enough parking for those carventuring in. 
>> But I f it’s excitement and real city feels everyone’s craving, maybe a 
>> “every bridge (with bike access) from the Henry Hudson down to the 
>> Brooklyn” ride? That’s a fun zipper to zip.
>> -Kai
>> On Tuesday, January 2, 2024 at 1:26:15 PM UTC-5 Caroline Golum wrote:
>>
>>> Seeing the LA Riv Ride post got me thinking! Anyone in the NYC area 
>>> interested in a weekend ride this month? It's chilly, but we can handle it!
>>
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[RBW] WTB: A Riv in SF on January 3rd. Also looking for some route tips

[James]

This may be a long-shot but I figured I would try.  I am traveling to SF 
this new year and my cousin and I were looking to do an overnight bike 
trip, leaving from and returning to SF.  I have been a long time lurker and 
poster here, and I am wondering if anyone in the SF area would consider 
lending me their Rivendell (size 59-65cm) from January 3rd to January 4th.  
I have decided not to pack my 63cm AHH for the journey.  I am happy to put 
down collateral of sorts.  It would be a pleasure to do the bike trip on a 
Rivendell, and I think any model would do.  If this is something you would 
consider, please reach out and we can talk on the phone and make sure we 
are both comfortable with it.

Secondly, I am open to any route recommendations.  We are looking for 30ish 
miles each way.  Has anyone here camped on or around Pantoll?  We haven't 
reservations so we would use hiker/biker sites.  Any specific trails ya'll 
would recommend? 

Thank you for considering this proposal and any route tips you may have.

James

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Re: [RBW] FS: 55cm Rivendell Cheviot

[James Tensuan]

sold!

On Fri, Dec 8, 2023 at 8:27 AM James Tensuan 
wrote:

> Selling my 55cm Rivendell Cheviot. From the CL Posting
> <https://sfbay.craigslist.org/nby/bik/d/petaluma-rivendell-cheviot/7691310183.html>
> (where there's also pictures):
>
> Located in Sonoma county
>
> I'm the second owner of this bike and I've had it for about two years.
> Previous owner put maybe a dozen miles on it and then kept it in storage. A
> couple of scratches here and there, one small paint chip on the top tube
> (pictured in gallery). Never crashed.
>
> Parts highlights:
> - Generator hub and light
> - Paul Racer brake in the front, Dia Compe in rear
> - Paul brake levers
> - Riv silver shifters
> - Riv saddle
> - Wheels built by Rich Lesnik
> - Nitto Albatross bars
> - Nitto front rack and Pletscher rear (I've got the rails for panniers I
> can throw in as well)
> - Gravel kings with plenty of life left in them
>
>
> Bell and bottle cage not included
>
> Open to reasonable offers as well
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[RBW] FS: 55cm Rivendell Cheviot

[James Tensuan]

Selling my 55cm Rivendell Cheviot. From the CL Posting 

 
(where there's also pictures): 

Located in Sonoma county

I'm the second owner of this bike and I've had it for about two years. 
Previous owner put maybe a dozen miles on it and then kept it in storage. A 
couple of scratches here and there, one small paint chip on the top tube 
(pictured in gallery). Never crashed.

Parts highlights:
- Generator hub and light
- Paul Racer brake in the front, Dia Compe in rear
- Paul brake levers
- Riv silver shifters 
- Riv saddle
- Wheels built by Rich Lesnik
- Nitto Albatross bars
- Nitto front rack and Pletscher rear (I've got the rails for panniers I 
can throw in as well)
- Gravel kings with plenty of life left in them


Bell and bottle cage not included

Open to reasonable offers as well

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Re: [RBW] 1st world commuting dilemma

[James Valiensi]

Hi,
Nice Atlantis! I recommend a cable lock thru the wheels too. Else you’ll come 
bake to a frame without wheels!

> On Dec 8, 2023, at 6:50 AM, Bill Schaefer  wrote:
> 
> Josh,
> 
> I actually lock mine up to the single bike rack in the loading dock of my 
> building. Its in an area open to the public but its under an overhang so it's 
> not getting rained on, and not too many people go down there, so its 
> definitely a unique situation, and a bit safer than locking on the street 
> since its only visible to anyone who wanders down there. Here's a pic from 
> yesterday I snapped leaving work. The "reserved for management" sign makes me 
> chuckle every time (that's for the car parking space).
> 
> 
> 
> On Thursday, December 7, 2023 at 1:09:56 PM UTC-5 Josh C wrote:
>>  Ginz - Thanks for the reply. I feel like riding it and using it for its 
>> intended purpose is probably the right answer. I just feel like it may be a 
>> bit of a target. IDK, it’s mostly us nerds that think Rivss are cool and not 
>> beach cruisers anyway, right… Forgive me if I should know; do you commute on 
>> a Rivendell Ginz? 
>> 
>> Hoch - My commute is short as well, and by design. The last time I moved and 
>> got a new job I made sure that my work was in the same zip code as my 
>> residence. I see your point about riding the Ogre, but again, it’s not a 
>> cheap bike to replace either. Also, my job is too all-consuming to worry 
>> about anything else while at work; which can good and bad at times. 
>> 
>> Cody - Thanks for adding some real-world experience commuting with that 
>> killer Hillborne. You’re right, people seem to know Surly better (at least 
>> here in the Midwest) I probably get more compliments on the Ogre and my 
>> daughter’s Crosscheck than I do my Rivs. Thanks for adding the pic of your 
>> bikes…notes the saddle lock…is that wrapped in an old tube? 
>> 
>> Bill - Well put. That’s how I’m viewing it. Again, I put more miles on the 
>> drop bar Atlantis but I ride my commuter WAY more often. Bill, do you have 
>> the luxury of taking your daily driver inside or do you park out in the 
>> wild? I’d love to see a pic too if you've got time. 
>> 
>> Josiah - Love that you ride those bikes around and lock ‘em up outside. I do 
>> figure that most people don’t think the Atlantis is cool enough to steal, 
>> not compared to other bikes around. Indy used to get snow regularly, all 
>> winter long, but now we get maybe 1 or 2 good snows and the rest is just 
>> slop. If it’s too nasty I’ll just drive. I don’t have time in the mornings 
>> to show up covered in road sludge. 
>> 
>> B - I agree
>> 
>> Patrick - Told ya. First world problem indeed. I work in a hospital in 
>> critical care and there just really isn’t anywhere to put it. I do park out 
>> of the way as much as possible but can't take it in. I love that Matthews 
>> and your utilitarian approach to John’s strap-rigged, awkward, package 
>> haul’n 
>> 
>> On Thursday, December 7, 2023 at 12:58:48 PM UTC-5 George Schick wrote:
>>> I used to do multi-mode commuting before I retired about 18 years ago - 
>>> ride the bike to the station, take train to the city, walk 4-5 blocks to 
>>> the office.  Never worried much about theft out here in the 'burbs while 
>>> working downtown because it was an old early 70's Fuji that I had re-geared 
>>> and converted for commuting.  It was the ideal bike for that - rode well, 
>>> handled well, and was by no means an eye-catcher.
>>> 
>>> BUT, I'd be way more concerned about salt damage during the Winter months 
>>> (used to live in the Indy area myself and, yes, they use it on the streets 
>>> there in abundance) and riding on hazardous icy slick surfaces than I would 
>>> theft.
>>> 
>>> BTW, why the classification of your Indy location, or the U.S. for that 
>>> matter, as a 1st World country in particular?  In many ways nowadays it is 
>>> backsliding into 3rd World status.
>>> On Thursday, December 7, 2023 at 11:13:15 AM UTC-6 Patrick Moore wrote:
 Speaking of parking indoors: our priest got tired of me taking the bike 
 into the church (well, it was until a couple of weeks ago a prefab now 
 used as the hall) to park it in the bathroom or library or kitchen, so he 
 gave me a key to the outside utility closet. I had seniority rights as I'd 
 been parking inside since about 1995 and he only arrived in about 2010.
 
 I think he gave me the key after I wheeled my Ken Rogers into the library 
 at the start of a parish council meeting 
 
 On Thu, Dec 7, 2023 at 10:05 AM Patrick Moore > wrote:
> First world problem indeed! But I felt it back when I commuted to an 
> office.
> 
> First, is there any way you could cajole, plead, whine, insist that your 
> employer let you park your bike inside? Do you have an office? I was 
> always able to park the bike in my office (once I had a second office as 
> a garage) and that solved many problems -- one 

Re: [RBW] Re: Ron's Ortho vs. Nitto Albatross

[James M]

Another Choco-moose lover here.  I had a set of Ortho bars from the first 
run that I sold off.  I just couldn't keep them from slipping in the stem 
on trails - so much leverage!  Switching over to a moose-style bar has been 
perfect for me - they ain't going anywhere!

James

On Tuesday, December 5, 2023 at 9:44:18 AM UTC-5 Paul M wrote:

> I've been riding with the Choco-Moose handlebar for years and the "narrow 
> 55cm" width has been fine for on road and off. Even though in the back of 
> my mind, the general cycling community has been pushing wider handlebars. 
> This moose style handlebar has a fixed rise, reach, width and downward tilt 
> of the bars which is perfect for me. It does need a longish top tube to 
> work best.
>
> On Monday, 4 December 2023 at 17:48:44 UTC-8 Chris Halasz wrote:
>
>> Thanks to all for the great input on different bars and their 
>> applications. 
>>
>> When I first tried Albatross bars on my Bleriot, I could not get 
>> comfortable with them. Fifteen years later the Albatross bars are my 
>> favorite. I use them on a 58cm LHT. 
>>
>> I recently experienced shoulder pain when I tried (much) wider upright 
>> bars. I swam long distances for decades and am now careful with my worn 
>> shoulders. Somewhere I read that it's important to keep the arms 'in the 
>> box' (i.e. within the width of the box established by the shoulders) during 
>> exercise. It seems to work very well with this scrawny six-foot-tall 
>> person. I'm fairly upright on the LHT, with the bars about 2.5" above the 
>> B68 saddle. 
>>
>> I'm curious to try some of the narrower Toscos sometime. The way the bars 
>> can be tilted so that the grips tilt toward the downtube is intriguing. No 
>> rush, but someday. 
>>
>> On Monday, December 4, 2023 at 1:02:28 PM UTC-8 brok...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> If you were to overlay Toscos (the 650mm version) over top of some 
>>> Orthos like that, you would find them nearly the same in just about every 
>>> way... for anyone pining for some unobtainable Ortho bars.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Dec 4, 2023 at 3:46 PM Richard Rose  wrote:
>>>
>>>> I am late to this party & I may not be much help but… I’ve been running 
>>>> Bosco bars on my two bikes - a Clem & a Gus. They are pretty much perfect. 
>>>> Except that the Gus begs to be ridden harder on singletrack than I was 
>>>> comfortable with. After much deliberation I took a flyer & installed a 
>>>> “Albacore” handlebar from Hope Cyclery. It’s wide @ 785. It has a forward 
>>>> sweep before coming back & a very comfortable & confidence inspiring 50-60 
>>>> degrees. It necessitated ditching my 90mm stem for a 35mm one. These 
>>>> changes transformed the Gus. The part of this that might apply to your 
>>>> situation; wide bars feel great on the trails, experimentation can be fun 
>>>> & 
>>>> rewarding.
>>>> [image: image0.jpeg]
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>> On Dec 4, 2023, at 1:35 PM, Chris K  wrote:
>>>>
>>>> J, question about your mothbars - do you find yourself ever using 
>>>> other hand positions?
>>>>
>>>> Intrigued by this bar but it looks like holding on anywhere but the 
>>>> ends would be awkward with such a wide bar.
>>>>
>>>> On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 4:20:31 PM UTC-6 J wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I've always had problems with swept back bars, tried many over the 
>>>>> years from Riv, Velo O, Soma and the Albatross bar lasted the longest (6 
>>>>> months?) on any bike but they were never really comfortable either. 
>>>>> Everything always felt too narrow for my shoulder width and gave me neck 
>>>>> pain. I had an opportunity to try the Tumbleweed Persuader bars on my 
>>>>> hardtail, and even though the back sweep threw the fit off it still got 
>>>>> my 
>>>>> gears turning about wider swoopy bars. I widened some Albatross bars in a 
>>>>> vice and really felt like I was getting somewhere but started having 
>>>>> saddle 
>>>>> comfort issues from riding upright again, an issue I've always had. Last 
>>>>> year I got to try Ron's Ortho bars on his Atlantis and they felt 
>>>>> ridiculous 
>>>>> in the moment, but a day later I was still thinking about them. They'd 
>>>>> been 
>>>>> sold out for so long I gave up and sourced some Magic Components 
>

[RBW] Re: Brooks B72 Reissued!

[James M]

I have a B72 on my Hunq - I 3D printed (well, had an online service do 
it) a 2-rail saddle adapter in glass-filled nylon, using this pattern 
- https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:3143229.  It's going on 2 years and has 
worked great.  Awesome that Brooks is reissuing this though and making an 
adapter!

James in North Jersey

On Wednesday, December 6, 2023 at 1:52:10 PM UTC-5 Coal Bee Rye Anne wrote:

> FYI for anyone that hasn't already noticed the resurrection of the B72 
> model.
> https://theradavist.com/brooks-b72-review/
>
> I know the B68 gets a bit more attention as the wide, unsprung, single 
> rail model that is plug & play with modern seatpost clamps but I thought 
> this was interesting news to share for anyone that might like to find 
> something of a middle ground between the unsprung models and the large coil 
> springs found on the Flyer/Conquest and other sprung, more upright saddles.
>
> Not sure when the new Brooks adapter kit will actually become available as 
> it's not yet on their site (as of earlier this morning) and Radavist only 
> mentions 'next week'  with their 11/30 article but seems they'll be 
> obtainable soon.
>
> I have an old B72 with a condition pretty much matching that of the one 
> installed on the Ritchey in the photos of the Radavist link.  My own came 
> off a mid 70's Raleigh Sports I picked up used.  I treated the leather a 
> handful of times and eventually used it on my Clem with a Breezer double 
> rail adapter until it sagged enough to hit the top of the seatpost clamp on 
> even mild bumps.  I retired it before it broke rather than keep stretching 
> the old leather with more and more bolt adjustments as a few spots started 
> to crack and flake.  I also kind of just like the look of the saddle and 
> unique spring design so wanted to keep an old example intact.
>
> We also have a B18 with the same rail and spring design as the B72 on my 
> spouse's three speed (I had sadly slept on the limited Raspberry color when 
> it was available so we only have a brown.)  That bike gets much less use 
> lately but I built it up as a nice resto-mod using the best condition parts 
> between our two matching Raleigh's, got rebuilt wheels on the original hubs 
> with new alloy rims, etc. so the new embossed saddle was an additional 
> splurge.  My own Sports turned into more of a franken-build but was a fun 
> project, albeit too small and short lived.
>
> I had one of the Conquest re-issues but the narrower shape just didn't fit 
> me even on a more aggressive, bar-below-saddle build so I sold or traded 
> away the Conquest.  I do not necessarily recall a distinct difference in 
> the suspended feeling between the Conquest and Brooks as much as I did in 
> the overall fit, shape, and design.
>
> I have no real need for a new B72 at the moment but might go for the new 
> adapter kit, when available, and play around to see how my old one fits 
> some spare seatposts with the different sets of bolts and see if I find a 
> good match that may offer greater under saddle to top of clamp clearance 
> than I had on the 1-bolt post I used on the Clem with the old B72.
>
> Brian Cole
> Lawrence NJ
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Re: [RBW] Craigslist, etc 2023

[James Tensuan]

Cheviot
55cm
2200
Petaluma, CA

https://sfbay.craigslist.org/nby/bik/d/petaluma-rivendell-cheviot/7691310183.html

On Wednesday, November 22, 2023 at 5:37:33 PM UTC-8 Matthew Williams wrote:

> Roadini
> 54cm
> 1600
> Napa, CA
>
> [image: 01414_2VDy2V8dlNB_0ak07K_600x450.jpg]
>
> Black Friday Special - Rivendell Roadini, 54cm - bicycles - by owner - 
> bike sale - craigslist 
> 
> sfbay.craigslist.org 
> 
>
> 
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Re: [RBW] Craigslist, etc 2023

[James]

I know that bike!  Well loved and well riden with a great owner

On Monday, November 13, 2023 at 4:15:15 PM UTC-5 Justin Kennedy wrote:

> I think I recognize that bike. Orange Cheviot in Brooklyn? See him around 
> from time to time. 
>
> On Monday, November 13, 2023 at 4:10:33 PM UTC-5 Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY 
> wrote:
>
>> [image: IMG_6778_Original.jpeg]Here’s a candidate for beausage of the 
>> month…
>> Not for sale as far as I know, so the wrong post, but with all the talk 
>> of tough lockups, this one stood out to me.
>> -Kai
>>
>>
>> On Monday, November 13, 2023 at 2:03:50 PM UTC-5 ericf3 wrote:
>>
>>> "Who are you going to believe?? Me, or your own eyes??"  -Groucho
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, 13 Nov 2023 at 11:01, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>>
 Yeah it's the seller description that annoys me, I don't appreciate 
 being told my eyes don't see what I'm clearly seeing. This happens a lot 
 on 
 Craigslist. 



 On Monday, November 13, 2023 at 10:26:10 AM UTC-8 RichS wrote:

> That's some harsh beausage or what the owner calls "regular scuffs". 
> YMMV I guess.
>
> Best,
> Rich in ATL
>
> On Mon, Nov 13, 2023 at 11:02 AM Kim H.  wrote:
>
>> 52cm CLEM "L"
>>
>> This one has been abused. I have never seen a Rivendell bicycle with 
>> so many scratches. YIKES !
>>
>>
>> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/bik/d/san-francisco-rivendell-clem-smith-52cm/7686881119.html
>>
>> Kim Hetzel.
>>
>> On Friday, November 10, 2023 at 10:40:56 AM UTC-8 Eric Marth wrote:
>>
>>> Good catch, Reeb! Seemed too good to be true, I deleted my post :o) 
>>>
>>> On Thursday, November 9, 2023 at 9:54:21 PM UTC-5 Ryan Ray wrote:
>>>
 Here is my Bleriot for sale on CL in Seattle or I will pay my LBS 
 150 bucks to box it up right. I bought a bigger Homer instead!


 https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/bik/d/seattle-61cm-rivendell-bleriot/7683878809.html

 On Thursday, November 9, 2023 at 1:48:24 PM UTC-8 reeb wrote:

> could be a scam. same photos from a chicago seller: 
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/155871116274?hash=item244aa47bf2:g:Gg4AAOSwQglk~fZ4
>
> On Thursday, November 9, 2023 at 4:41:01 PM UTC-5 
> eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> [image: Screenshot 2023-11-09 at 4.32.02 PM copy.jpg]
>>
>> Clem H
>> 52cm
>> $741
>> New Jersey
>> https://www.mercari.com/us/item/m80573702381
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Re: [RBW] Craigslist, etc 2023

[James]

Maybe abused, maybe just used.  I'm okay if my riv has scratches like that

On Monday, November 13, 2023 at 11:11:25 AM UTC-5 Justin Kennedy wrote:

> "Tough bikes to love" ;-)
>
> On Monday, November 13, 2023 at 11:02:06 AM UTC-5 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> 52cm CLEM "L"
>>
>> This one has been abused. I have never seen a Rivendell bicycle with so 
>> many scratches. YIKES !
>>
>>
>> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/bik/d/san-francisco-rivendell-clem-smith-52cm/7686881119.html
>>
>> Kim Hetzel.
>>
>> On Friday, November 10, 2023 at 10:40:56 AM UTC-8 Eric Marth wrote:
>>
>>> Good catch, Reeb! Seemed too good to be true, I deleted my post :o) 
>>>
>>> On Thursday, November 9, 2023 at 9:54:21 PM UTC-5 Ryan Ray wrote:
>>>
 Here is my Bleriot for sale on CL in Seattle or I will pay my LBS 150 
 bucks to box it up right. I bought a bigger Homer instead!


 https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/bik/d/seattle-61cm-rivendell-bleriot/7683878809.html

 On Thursday, November 9, 2023 at 1:48:24 PM UTC-8 reeb wrote:

> could be a scam. same photos from a chicago seller: 
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/155871116274?hash=item244aa47bf2:g:Gg4AAOSwQglk~fZ4
>
> On Thursday, November 9, 2023 at 4:41:01 PM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> [image: Screenshot 2023-11-09 at 4.32.02 PM copy.jpg]
>>
>> Clem H
>> 52cm
>> $741
>> New Jersey
>> https://www.mercari.com/us/item/m80573702381
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS/WTT: Rene Herse Triple crank with 2 extra rings

[James]

SOLD

Thanks for the endorsement Max

On Saturday, November 11, 2023 at 4:17:19 PM UTC-5 maxcr wrote:

> Smoking deal from a good seller 
> Max
>
> On Nov 11, 2023, at 3:58 PM, Josh C  wrote:
>
> I’ll take em. PM sent
>
>
>
> On Saturday, November 11, 2023 at 3:04:19 PM UTC-5 James wrote:
>
>> Bump!! $300 shipped for this beautiful 3 speed RH crank.  177 length
>>
>> On Wednesday, November 8, 2023 at 8:46:05 AM UTC-5 James wrote:
>>
>>> $360 shipped!  Just the crank triple at this point
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, November 7, 2023 at 12:06:32 PM UTC-5 James wrote:
>>>
>>>> Spare chainrings have sold.  RH triple crank for sale for $420 shipped!
>>>> On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 8:14:56 PM UTC-5 James wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Price drop to $450 + shipping.  (Wavie bars, crank, and pedals were 
>>>>> purchased so no longer interested in those trades)
>>>>>
>>>>> On Saturday, November 4, 2023 at 2:17:41 PM UTC-4 James wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Rene Herse triple with 2 extra rings.  It really good shape and 
>>>>>> pretty sure the extra rings are unused.  177 length.  $700 value new, 
>>>>>> asking $500 + shipping but please make offers.  
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Open to trades for Silver Triple, Wavie Bars (or similar), paul 
>>>>>> thimbie mounts, or a whole thumbie shifter set-up.  Shimano shadow M592 
>>>>>> rear deraileur, a mid-range front deraileur, MKS monarch grips
>>>>>>
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[RBW] Re: FS/WTT: Rene Herse Triple crank with 2 extra rings

[James]

Bump!! $300 shipped for this beautiful 3 speed RH crank.  177 length

On Wednesday, November 8, 2023 at 8:46:05 AM UTC-5 James wrote:

> $360 shipped!  Just the crank triple at this point
>
> On Tuesday, November 7, 2023 at 12:06:32 PM UTC-5 James wrote:
>
>> Spare chainrings have sold.  RH triple crank for sale for $420 shipped!
>> On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 8:14:56 PM UTC-5 James wrote:
>>
>>> Price drop to $450 + shipping.  (Wavie bars, crank, and pedals were 
>>> purchased so no longer interested in those trades)
>>>
>>> On Saturday, November 4, 2023 at 2:17:41 PM UTC-4 James wrote:
>>>
>>>> Rene Herse triple with 2 extra rings.  It really good shape and pretty 
>>>> sure the extra rings are unused.  177 length.  $700 value new, asking $500 
>>>> + shipping but please make offers.  
>>>>
>>>> Open to trades for Silver Triple, Wavie Bars (or similar), paul thimbie 
>>>> mounts, or a whole thumbie shifter set-up.  Shimano shadow M592 rear 
>>>> deraileur, a mid-range front deraileur, MKS monarch grips
>>>>
>>>

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[RBW] WTB: Wavie bar (or similar) & Silver Crank triple

[James Copp]

25.4 Wavie Bar or something similar.  173 or 178 length triple crank.  I 
have a FS post for a nice Rene Herse triple with extra rings and open to 
trades.  Located in North Carolina

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[RBW] Re: FS/WTT: Rene Herse Triple crank with 2 extra rings

[James]

$360 shipped!  Just the crank triple at this point

On Tuesday, November 7, 2023 at 12:06:32 PM UTC-5 James wrote:

> Spare chainrings have sold.  RH triple crank for sale for $420 shipped!
> On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 8:14:56 PM UTC-5 James wrote:
>
>> Price drop to $450 + shipping.  (Wavie bars, crank, and pedals were 
>> purchased so no longer interested in those trades)
>>
>> On Saturday, November 4, 2023 at 2:17:41 PM UTC-4 James wrote:
>>
>>> Rene Herse triple with 2 extra rings.  It really good shape and pretty 
>>> sure the extra rings are unused.  177 length.  $700 value new, asking $500 
>>> + shipping but please make offers.  
>>>
>>> Open to trades for Silver Triple, Wavie Bars (or similar), paul thimbie 
>>> mounts, or a whole thumbie shifter set-up.  Shimano shadow M592 rear 
>>> deraileur, a mid-range front deraileur, MKS monarch grips
>>>
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[RBW] Re: FS/WTT: Rene Herse Triple crank with 2 extra rings

[James]

Spare chainrings have sold.  RH triple crank for sale for $420 shipped!
On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 8:14:56 PM UTC-5 James wrote:

> Price drop to $450 + shipping.  (Wavie bars, crank, and pedals were 
> purchased so no longer interested in those trades)
>
> On Saturday, November 4, 2023 at 2:17:41 PM UTC-4 James wrote:
>
>> Rene Herse triple with 2 extra rings.  It really good shape and pretty 
>> sure the extra rings are unused.  177 length.  $700 value new, asking $500 
>> + shipping but please make offers.  
>>
>> Open to trades for Silver Triple, Wavie Bars (or similar), paul thimbie 
>> mounts, or a whole thumbie shifter set-up.  Shimano shadow M592 rear 
>> deraileur, a mid-range front deraileur, MKS monarch grips
>>
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[RBW] Re: FS/WTT: Rene Herse Triple crank with 2 extra rings

[James]

Price drop to $450 + shipping.  (Wavie bars, crank, and pedals were 
purchased so no longer interested in those trades)

On Saturday, November 4, 2023 at 2:17:41 PM UTC-4 James wrote:

> Rene Herse triple with 2 extra rings.  It really good shape and pretty 
> sure the extra rings are unused.  177 length.  $700 value new, asking $500 
> + shipping but please make offers.  
>
> Open to trades for Silver Triple, Wavie Bars (or similar), paul thimbie 
> mounts, or a whole thumbie shifter set-up.  Shimano shadow M592 rear 
> deraileur, a mid-range front deraileur, MKS monarch grips
>

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Re: [RBW] WTB: Silver Triple & Wavie Bar

[James]

Just posted it

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[RBW] WTB: Silver Triple & Wavie Bar

[James]

Interested in a Nitto Wavie bar or something similar and a silver triple 
crank, 173 or longer length.  I have a RH triple for sale on another post 
and am open to trades.

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[RBW] Re: Nutmeg Nor'Easter 2023

[James M]

How was the ride?  I missed it this year due to a work trip.  Last time my 
crew made it up was 2021 (a fabulous year) and I'm itching to get back.

On Thursday, October 19, 2023 at 7:45:18 PM UTC-4 RBW Owners Bunch wrote:

>
> Yes it looks terrible! Hope still fun tho  
> On Thursday, October 19, 2023 at 5:20:51 PM UTC-4 RBW Owners Bunch wrote:
>
>> The forecast is getting worse the closer we get! 
>>
>> [image: Screenshot 2023-10-16 at 4.33.11 PM.png]
>>
>> On Sunday, October 15, 2023 at 11:25:02 PM UTC-4 J wrote:
>>
>>> I'll be there again, this time on a big ol pistachio Romanceur 
>>>
>>> On Sunday, October 15, 2023 at 1:58:35 PM UTC-4 lyon...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 I'm going to add a mermaid gus to the mix--see you out there!

 Adam in Portland

 On Sunday, October 15, 2023 at 9:26:52 AM UTC-4 Justin Kennedy wrote:

>
> Most excellent! Looking forward to it and hoping the forecast 
> improves. 
> On Sunday, October 15, 2023 at 1:52:35 AM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Justin and Stephen — I'll be on my Appaloosa so that'll be three 
>> mermaid frames... at least! 
>>
>> On Saturday, October 14, 2023 at 9:56:46 AM UTC-4 Stephen wrote:
>>
>>> Yep that was me!
>>>
>>> On Saturday, October 14, 2023 at 9:23:52 AM UTC-4 Justin Kennedy 
>>> wrote:
>>>

 Stephen, i met you outside Luigi’s a couple weeks ago?? 
 On Saturday, October 14, 2023 at 9:09:28 AM UTC-4 Stephen wrote:

> I’ll be there on the appa!
>
> On Friday, October 13, 2023 at 7:50:36 PM UTC-4 Kainalu V. 
> -Brooklyn NY wrote:
>
>> Some day…
>> Have fun!
>> -Kai
>>
>> On Friday, October 13, 2023 at 4:07:20 PM UTC-4 Justin Kennedy 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Patch! see ya there ;-)
>>>
>>> On Friday, October 13, 2023 at 3:14:56 PM UTC-4 Patch T wrote:
>>>
 MEEE - but you knew that :)

 Patch in Brooklyn

 On Friday, October 13, 2023 at 10:16:37 AM UTC-4 Justin Kennedy 
 wrote:

> Curious if anyone else from the RBW Owners Bunch will be there 
> this year. If so, would love to say hello! I'll be on my mermaid 
> Platy.
>
> Cheers-
>


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[RBW] Re: FS: Fabio's Fanny bar bag, olive

[James]

PM sent

On Monday, October 23, 2023 at 2:49:41 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Or make offer and whatnot and such as. 
>
> Joe Bernard
> joeremi62 gmail com
>
> On Monday, October 23, 2023 at 11:03:37 AM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/V6idpTbHRFyL8ydX8
>>
>> On Sunday, October 22, 2023 at 8:55:36 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> Purchased on one of these lists a while back, used twice. I'm again 
>>> reminded that I like most of my stuff in a large saddlebag which I already 
>>> own, I don't need this. You can try it! 
>>>
>>> $140 shipped
>>> Will post more pics (off the bike) soon 
>>>
>>> Thanks, 
>>> Joe Bernard
>>>
>>> [image: Screenshot_20231022_204846.jpg]
>>>
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Velo Orange Saddle Bag and 2 piece lugged stem

[James]

Bump

On Thursday, October 12, 2023 at 1:50:37 PM UTC-4 James wrote:

> Hello fellow steel-bike lovers
> I'm selling these two items as a pair.  
>
> *The bag: *I bought it new, used it 5ish times, and it has been in my 
> basement for 6 months where it proceeded to get a little moldy.  I haven'd 
> done anything about it, but I imagine some vinegar scrub would get it right 
> off.
>
> *The stem: *Got this in a trade.  It's a 2-piece.  The "vertical" but 
> says nitto on it.  The "horizontal" but says "J.T" in tiny print.  No other 
> markings.  I don't know who makes it.  Dimensions are in photos.  25.4 
> clamp diameter.  The bolt to clamp down on the handle bars is not included 
> because, well, I can't find it.
>
> I'd like to sell to the same person so I can save on shipping.  Assuming 
> shipping will be $25 I am asking $100 for them both.  Shipped.  If that's 
> unreasonable, shoot me an offer.
>
> Photos here: https://imgur.com/a/A7reZfs
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Re: [RBW] Brooks B68s, Dura-Ace 7403 front derailleur (NOS), IRD Alpina front derailleur with clamp

[James Valiensi]

Hi,
I will buy the B68.
valie...@mac.com

> On Oct 13, 2023, at 10:53 AM, J J  wrote:
> 
> Hi all, selling a few nice items. Please reach out privately if you're 
> interested. Thanks!
> 
> 1) Brooks B68s saddle (like new, $135 shipped)
> This is the "s" version, a few millimeters shorter than the regular B68. 
> Textured leather, beautiful, hard to find. Treated with Brooks Proofide and 
> some areas are slightly darker. Ridden twice for short distances. No saddle 
> bag ever mounted.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 2) Dura-Ace FD 7403 front derailleur. Bottom pull, 28.6 clamp. (NOS with 
> original box, $142 shipped) 
> Beautiful polished silver, classic model. One of the few Dura-Ace FDs that 
> has the sweet (and subtle) Dura-Ace logotype/emblem on it. Adjustable spring 
> tension. Pristine condition. 
> 
> 
> 
> 3) IRD Alpina front derailleur. Bottom pull, includes 28.6 clamp (excellent 
> condition, $45 shipped)
> Mechanically like new. Some chain rub on the cage. 
> 
>  
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[RBW] FS: Velo Orange Saddle Bag and 2 piece lugged stem

[James]

Hello fellow steel-bike lovers
I'm selling these two items as a pair.  

*The bag: *I bought it new, used it 5ish times, and it has been in my 
basement for 6 months where it proceeded to get a little moldy.  I haven'd 
done anything about it, but I imagine some vinegar scrub would get it right 
off.

*The stem: *Got this in a trade.  It's a 2-piece.  The "vertical" but says 
nitto on it.  The "horizontal" but says "J.T" in tiny print.  No other 
markings.  I don't know who makes it.  Dimensions are in photos.  25.4 
clamp diameter.  The bolt to clamp down on the handle bars is not included 
because, well, I can't find it.

I'd like to sell to the same person so I can save on shipping.  Assuming 
shipping will be $25 I am asking $100 for them both.  Shipped.  If that's 
unreasonable, shoot me an offer.

Photos here: https://imgur.com/a/A7reZfs

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[RBW] Re: FS: Clem Smith Jr. 59cm - Blue

[James]

Where are you located Connor? From my recent experience, shipping and 
packaging can be upwards of $300

On Monday, October 9, 2023 at 12:04:03 PM UTC-4 connorb...@gmail.com wrote:

> Clem 4 Sale - 59cm
> I would like to get $2000+ ship
> Shipping will likely be much cheaper than from Riv., I'm thinking around 
> $125-150.
> Lightly used. Maybe 150-ish miles, but drivetrain and brakes haven’t been 
> used, I swapped out as soon as I got it. 
> Selling as shown w/ seahorse pedals, pletscher kickstand, shimano dyno 
> hub, and bosco-moose bars. 
> Seat tube lug has some paint missing that happened in transit to me, and 
> post has some scratches pictured as well.
>
> Pics:
> https://imgur.com/a/x2pAl0T
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Re: [RBW] Are Paul brakes worth the money?

[James Valiensi]

Are Paul brakes worth the money? - in a word YES!


> On Oct 7, 2023, at 6:37 AM, Will Boericke  wrote:
> 
> After some wear, brake pads need to be re-toed in, because they will wear 
> flat to the rim surface.  I suspect that will solve your problems.
> 
> Will
> 
> On Sat, Oct 7, 2023 at 9:04 AM Kim H.  > wrote:
>> I would enjoy hearing the feedback from those folks, who have used Yokozuna 
>> brake pads verses Salmon Koolstop pads. Are they any better ? or ?
>> 
>> Kim Hetzel.
>> 
>> On Saturday, October 7, 2023 at 4:45:43 AM UTC-7 Julian Westerhout wrote:
>>> Bill, 
>>> 
>>> Salmon Koolstop pads stop well, but can be noisy, especially if they hit 
>>> the rim flat or slightly toed out. It is possible/probable that after 5 
>>> months the pads have worn enough to change the way they hit the rim, and 
>>> need to be adjusted a bit to be slightly toe-in. 
>>> 
>>> Julia Westerhout
>>> Bloomington, IL 
>>> 
>>> On Saturday, October 7, 2023 at 5:50:35 AM UTC-5 Bill Fulford wrote:
 The brakes are cantilever with salmon pads. I assume that the are properly 
 mounted. The squawking began after about five months of riding. In the 
 beginning there was no noise.
 
 On Friday, October 6, 2023 at 10:50:09 PM UTC-4 ted.l...@gmail.com <> 
 wrote:
> That noise is typical of a he salmon pads that ship on Paul brakes. 
> salmon pads stop really well but I’ve had several pair on different bikes 
> and different brake styles and after a bit they all started to make noise 
> no matter how I adjusted them. I’ve also found that Paul Motolites in 
> particular do not like having racks mounted to them. This made any 
> existing brake noise multiples worse I assume due to the two sides being 
> more rigid mounted together allowing for different resonance to occur and 
> generate more noise. This was particularly apparent on my Gus I assume 
> due to its unique front end geometry.
> 
> My opinion on the Paul Motolites is mixed. On the one hand, they’re 
> beautiful and the quick release mechanism is nice compared to typical 
> v-brakes with the noodle holding it all together. The adjustment 
> mechanism is also a work of arm and does make adjusting for different 
> when sizes a bit nicer. However, I’m not sure they’re worth the money 
> purely on the basis of function. To me they’re like a designer handbag. 
> They make a nice accessory when paired with other nice accessories and a 
> good outfit they can be stunning. But at the end of the day, a $5 handbag 
> holds stuff as well as a $300 handbag. My $30 Shimano Alivio v-brakes 
> stop my Appaloosa just as well as the $300 Motolites on my Gus. But my 
> Gus is my pretty show bike that I take out on the town on a Sunny 
> Saturday to get things at the farmer’s market. My Appaloosa is my daily 
> driver. I lock it up outside of stores and restaurants and ride it, rain 
> or shine, to work 5 days a week. It’s still a nice bike but the parts on 
> it are more utilitarian in nature. The frame is the flashiest piece of 
> kit on the whole bike and I like it that way.
> 
> On Fri, Oct 6, 2023 at 10:24 PM Julian Westerhout > 
> wrote:
>> Bill, 
>> 
>> Which brakes are they?  Which pads are you using? Are they properly 
>> slightly toed in? 
>> 
>> Photos would help in making a diagnosis -- but I doubt the squawking is 
>> due to the brakes themselves -- more likely to be pad type and/or setup. 
>> 
>> Julian Westerhout
>> Bloomington, IL 
>> 
>> On Friday, October 6, 2023 at 7:54:00 PM UTC-5 Bill Fulford wrote:
>>> I bought Paul brakes for my Atlantis and initially loved them. Now, 
>>> however, they squawk like a stuck goose. I’ve cleaned the rims, sanded 
>>> the pads but with no success. They were installed by a bike shop so I 
>>> don’t think that’s the problem. It’s embarrassing to ride at times. I’m 
>>> looking for suggestions to ease the noise. Thanks in advance. Bill
>>> 
>>> On Tuesday, January 10, 2023 at 9:58:13 AM UTC-5 Bill Schairer wrote:
 I have a set of cantilevers and a set of center pulls, both purchased 
 used off this list, I think.  What I really like about both sets is 
 how easy it is to disconnect and re-connect the straddle cables making 
 wheel removal and installation so much easier.  Even though I didn't 
 pay full retail they were still quite pricey compared to what I had.  
 I don't regret my purchases at all.
 
 Bill S
 San Diego
 
 On Monday, January 9, 2023 at 9:29:03 AM UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com <> 
 wrote:
> Paul brakes are worth it. 
> 
> If you buy, try and decide you don't like them you can sell them for 
> close to what you paid!
> 
> On Monday, January 9, 2023 at 

[RBW] Sizing Upon a Clem?

[james karlin]

Hi everyone, I'm looking to get into the Rivendell world with one of their 
complete Clems. I measured my pbh at 90, which puts me pretty squarely in 
the 59cm range. I wondering if any of y'all have enjoyed sizing 
up--according to the website, the 64cm would be doable for me. I'm just 
wondering if it'll be *good*, or if it'll be a gamble. 64cm just seems like 
a lot more bike than I'm used to! 

(I'm currently on a 58cm Nishiki International for everything. It's a great 
road bike, but I'm looking for something with more commuting, utility, and 
trail capability.)

Sorry if this has already been addressed somewhere else in the group.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Tire advice for my Toyo homer/max tire size

[James]

Thanks y’all. This definitely saved me from trying to squeeze in some RH 
700x44 knobby tires. Went with schwalbe G-one R

On Sunday, September 17, 2023 at 10:02:41 AM UTC-4 josh.yo...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Thanks, Jock!

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[RBW] Tire advice for my Toyo homer/max tire size

[James]

My Barlow-pass tires blew a sidewall the other day and I'm in the market.  
I mostly ride pavement but take it on train and across fields on occasion.  
I have my eyes set on the Rene Herse 700x44 Manastash, the Soma Cazadero, 
the Rene Herse Hurricane Ridge, or Schwalbe G-One R or Overland.

Anyone got any experience with these tires they can speak to?  Do ya'll 
know what size a 700c Toyo homer accommodates?  Not sure a knobby 44 would 
fit...

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[RBW] Re: FS: Italian linen shirts for riding

[James]

PM Sent!  I'll buy them

On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 11:51:42 AM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hello friends — I have two linen button down shirts for sale. Asking $15 
> each plus shipping to you. They're both made in Italy and 100% linen, no 
> issues. 
>
> These are labeled a large but they fit much larger. Please see 
> measurements for best fit. I really wish they fit me but they're just way 
> too big. Really nice subtle colors and textures. 
>
> [image: IMG_7151.jpg]
>
> [image: IMG_7152.JPG]
>
> Tan linen shirt by Aire
> Camp collar
> Pit to pit: 24"
> Top of shoulder to bottom hem: 34"
>
> [image: IMG_7155.JPG]
>
> [image: IMG_7156.JPG]
>
> Blue linen shirt by Aire
> Oxford collar
> Pit to pit: 24"
> Top of shoulder to bottom hem: 32" 
>
> [image: IMG_7159.JPG]
>

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[RBW] WTB: Nitto Noodles, Sackville Banana Sack, Silver downtube shifters

[James]

Small shopping list I have.  Trying here for used items before buying new

Nitto Noodles - 50, 52, or 54 cm (52 preferred)

Sackville Banana Sax

Silver Downtube shifters

Cane Creek 'bringbring' bell (or maybe a "bell for road levers")

Brooks black handlebar tape

Small Rons Fanny bag

Nitto bar-end plugs

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[RBW] WTB: 61 cm Toyo or Waterford Atlantis

[James]

I (and the rest of the world) want to buy a 61 cm Toyo or Waterford 
Atlantis.  Cash in hand.  Frame/fork or complete.  Live in Western NC but 
drive up to New England on occasion, and also happy to use shipping.  
Thanks, James

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Re: [RBW] FS - Red Toyo-built Atlantis frameset, 60cm

[James]

Sent ya a PM, to both ride2almostanywhere and joyianbegley

On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 8:03:57 PM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:

> Killer
>
> On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 8:01:54 PM UTC-4 ride2almo...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> DD,
>>  Pm to. ride2almostanywhere@ gmail.com
>>
>> Thanks Ian 
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 1, 2023 at 6:57 PM D D  wrote:
>>
>>> PM sent. And I’m local!  
>>>
>>> Dustin
>>>
>>> On Aug 1, 2023, at 6:52 PM, Matthew Williams  
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> Wow, that red is amazing! 
>>>
>>> Does anyone know the paint color/brand or PMS match?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Aug 1, 2023, at 12:55 PM, Joy Begley  wrote:
>>>
>>> Red & cream Toyo-built Rivendell Atlantis 60cm frameset (center of BB to 
>>> top of TT). Bought the frame from Elton Pope, at Harris Cyclery, tasked 
>>> with selling some or all of Shelton Brown’s collection. Serial no. 
>>> AT0618. 
>>> Maybe someone can possibly comment on the year built? No dents or dings 
>>> on the frame. Typical number of paint nicks and scratches for a bike 
>>> that age. Over time, I covered bare metal nicks with primer enamel (see 
>>> photos). The headset is IRD roller bearing type and the bottom bracket 
>>> is a Shimano square-taper. Both are recent additions and in good 
>>> working order. Recently downsized, so space constraints necessitates 
>>> letting 
>>> it go.  Passing it on for $1,050. I will have the frameset professionally 
>>> boxed 
>>> at the LBS at my cost. Buyer to pay shipping and insurance or pick up 
>>> unboxed 
>>> in the Richmond, VA area. PM me with any questions.
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/bikecrazy-paul/albums/72177720310058283
>>>
>>> Ian
>>> Richmond, VA
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: bike mechanic in Boise

[James Simeri]

Thank you, ill check it out

On Sun, Jul 23, 2023, 10:20 Teague Scott  wrote:

> You might try Ryan at Bike Touring News on 36th and Hill. He’s a solid
> dude. They used to sell Rivs. Since he took over the shop pretty much
> focuses on Surly, but he still stocks excellent parts and is really
> knowledgeable about bicycle adventuring in Idaho.
>
> - Teague in Boise
>
> On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 12:32:45 PM UTC-7 Jim S. wrote:
>
>> Hi, is there anyone with knowledge of Boise, Idaho who can recommend a
>> bike mechanic? Thanks in advance for any info.
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Re: [RBW] Ebike Clem

[James Valiensi]

Hi,
I had our Clem converted to an Ebike with the Bafabg mid motor kit. 750W 
system. We got the rack mounted battery. I did it for my 85 year old dad, who 
only rides ebikes now. He found it too hard to get on and off the Clem and 
stuck with his small-wheeled ebike.
I’ve ridden it several times.
1. The added weight does not affect the bike handling.
2. I generally pedal faster than the motor on the flats, so it is still a 
workout
3. It is fun to go up steep hills at 15mph.
4. The wires and motor hanging off the bike kills my OCD, its ugly and my was 
done by a professional.
5. You have to be careful when making tight turns, have the motor off or in the 
lowest setting, else the bike will throw you.  

> On Jul 19, 2023, at 5:02 AM, Andy Beichler  wrote:
> 
> My wife and I have converted two bikes with a mid drive kit very similar to 
> the Luna Cycle kit that Joe posted.  We are very happy with them, so far. It 
> has been about a year and they are still going strong. 
> 
> On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 3:00:01 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>> It's fits in a standard BB shell. 
>> 
>> https://lunacycle.com/bafang-bbs02-750w-middrive-kit/
>> 
>> On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 11:42:01 AM UTC-7 Wesley wrote:
>>> 
>>> I was not aware that you can do a mid-drive conversion (I thought the frame 
>>> had to be special designed to accept the drive-unit instead of a bottom 
>>> bracket). How did you do it?
>>> -Wes
>>> On Monday, July 17, 2023 at 11:03:34 AM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
 Looks like you're good there, Stephen, 250W is pretty mellow. Yes it's the 
 torque that would concern me with a more powerful hub motor; no bad 
 experiences (I used 250W on an Appaloosa), I just try not to be too crazy 
 with slim fork blades not designed with a motor in mind. Most 
 front-hub-motor bikes I see are running really beefy forks. 
 
 My first build was a ridiculously powerful rear-hub Clem, Grant rode it! 
 Then I did a few with even more ridiculously powerful mid-drives, those 
 were tons of fun. But I'm out of the ebike game these days. Maybe in the 
 future I'll try one again. 
 
 Joe Bernard 
 
 On Monday, July 17, 2023 at 6:46:52 AM UTC-7 Stephen wrote:
> Hey Joe,
> 
> That would be because of too much torque on a weak fork I presume? I'd be 
> curious to hear more about your experiences with eRivs, and is that a 
> determination you've made based on a bad experience? Have you done both 
> front and rear type motors? I have to admit I'm pretty clueless when it 
> comes to the details of ebikes in general, but I hope that since this kit 
> is intended to be universal it will be safe enough for the type of riding 
> my father will be doing and that the company would be responsible enough 
> to highlight potential incompatibilities. It does seem like eBikes are 
> still a bit of a wild west of little to no regulation.. Unfortunately the 
> kit website is pretty limited in describing its technical specifications 
> (it is very much designed for non technical people) and I can't find a 
> spec as to whether its a 250w or 500w motor, but it does list a 40nm 
> torque. How does that speak to your experience?
> 
> I didn't notice anything bad on my test ride yesterday, but I suppose 
> I'll give it a longer ride today and see if I notice any dangerous fork 
> flex...
> 
> On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 10:02:46 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>> Looks fun but - as a fellow who's built a few eRivs - I gotta throw in a 
>> warning here about wattage. If that's a 250W hub you're good, I would 
>> worry about 500W on Riv's spindly forks. 
>> 
>> On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 4:33:14 PM UTC-7 Stephen wrote:
>>> Thought I'd share my project of the day: electrifying this clem L for 
>>> my Dad.
>>> 
>>> A little backstory:
>>> 
>>> My family and I all chipped in a few years ago to get my Dad a Clem 
>>> complete in an effort to give him a fun and healthy exercise activity 
>>> following a near death heart attack in 2020. Despite really liking the 
>>> look and comfort of the bike, his level of fitness was really limiting 
>>> the amount of time he could spend on it. He'd be wiped in under 30 
>>> minutes, and unfortunately living in the suburban south, safe and 
>>> accessible riding is fairly limited and largely unexciting unless 
>>> you're covering big miles out on country roads. Add to that the fact 
>>> that his main riding partner, my mom, has been a long time road cyclist 
>>> with a much higher level of fitness, they ended up getting him an ebike 
>>> from rei. Its made a huge difference in how much he's able to ride and 
>>> his willingness to ride, but he's still been partial towards the Clem. 
>>> 
>>> So my folks ordered an ebike conversion kit, gosh, like a year ago and 
>>> it finally 

[RBW] Re: Most Discreet Bell Placement

[James M]

Re Spurcycle price - they have a "Frankenbell" sale every fall where you 
can get a good deal on blems.  Mine looks perfect, couldn't ID any quality 
issues.

On Wednesday, July 12, 2023 at 7:57:03 AM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> Tom: I love a stem-shifter-mounted bell, very cool that the thread pitches 
> are the same. I've never run one myself but I have threaded a bell onto a 
> stem shifter in my shop just to try it out. 
>
> Another install I like is a Crane E-ne mounted to the downtube shifter 
> boss, seen here on a Crust Romanceur with a one-by drivetrain. 
>
> [image: Screen Shot 2023-07-12 at 7.52.28 AM.png]
>
> On Wednesday, July 12, 2023 at 7:35:00 AM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> I indicated that I had bought a Crane ENE.  That one ended up under the 
>> top tube on my Black Mountain Monstercross: 
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/53021867018
>>
>> BL in EC
>> On Thursday, June 29, 2023 at 12:53:57 PM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> I bought three (3!!!) bells at Blue Heron yesterday.  I've got a number 
>>> of bell-less bikes and the shame has become too much.  All three were 
>>> Japanese Crane models. 
>>>
>>> 1. A hand painted one will clamp to the stem quill on my Quickbeam
>>> 2. A "Spur-Like" ENE model will go on my Hetchins
>>> 3. A headset-spacer model will get disassembled, and I'm going to drill 
>>> and tap an M5 hole into the side of my CNC aluminum Cinelli Sesamo stem on 
>>> my Single Speed Lightning Bolt.  That will be my entry for "most 
>>> discreet".  
>>>
>>> Pics or it didn't happen
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, June 28, 2023 at 9:25:34 AM UTC-7 John Dewey wrote:
>>>
 Here's nice image of most discreet placement of the best looking, 
 smartly engineered richest sounding, bicycle bell *ever* made. That's 
 my story and I'm sticking to it  *;  )*

 Jock

 [image: IMG_0810.jpeg]

>>>

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[RBW] Re: FS: 60cm Blue Rambouillet Complete - $1250

[James]

Brian,
I don't know about everyone else but for me, the picture won't load.  Maybe 
upload an imgur link with a few pics to spark some interest.  Or maybe the 
picture loads for everyone else and that's not necessary.

With curiosity about what it looks like,
Jamo

On Wednesday, June 14, 2023 at 5:36:12 PM UTC-4 Brian Cunningham wrote:

> Hello!
>
> I can see the Rambouillet doesn't possess the allure of the rarer, coveted 
> Hunqapillar! However, I know there's enough aficionados of this bike that I 
> should be able to unload the complete bike if the price is right. Maybe 
> $1250 was a bit much after all.
>
> If nobody local is interested in the complete bike, I intend to bring it 
> to a local shop in Pasadena to consign. They take a substantial percentage 
> but do all the work. I'm guessing that they'd price it in such a way that 
> I'd net about $1000, so in the spirit of trying to pass on what I think to 
> be a bargain to a group that has brought me friendship, knowledge and good 
> deals, is there anyone in SoCal who's interested in this bike for an even 
> $1k? My desire to maintain n+0 in light of the incoming Roadini outweighs 
> my desire to hold out for an imagined price I think I deserve. 
>
> Let me know ASAP if this sweetens the deal for anyone!
>
> Thanks,
>
> Brian
>
> On Sunday, June 11, 2023 at 3:03:02 PM UTC-7 Brian Cunningham wrote:
>
>>
>> Thanks, Piaw! Yeah I’m an oddly built 6-footer. I’m smack in the middle 
>> of the recommended range of PBH/saddle height for a 54 Roadini. Often I’m 
>> in-between sizes.
>> On Sunday, June 11, 2023 at 2:57:48 PM UTC-7 pi...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> It's a really special bike and a relic of the Toyo days, but I really 
>>> need a 58, not a 60.
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm 5' 10" with a PBH of 86 and Will/Grant sized me down to a 54cm 
>>> Roadini. It was a good choice! 
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: 61cm Roadini with great build

[James]

Thanks Patrick.  Glad to learn about SP hubs.  It worked great on the 
roading while I had it.  I mislabelled the hub in the FS post and Richard 
and I have resolved the matter.

James

On Sunday, May 21, 2023 at 4:36:01 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Just a note on the SP (Shutter Precision) hub that does not bear on the 
> question of restorative justice.
>
> SP hubs are not bad; I've owned 2, and they're used by pros and semi pros 
> -- Lael Wilcox used an SP with her K-Lite on her record continental divide 
> win (beating the men, like Beryl Burton) a few years ago, and K-Lite spec'd 
> an SP with my dynamo light system when I bought it 7 years ago or so.
>
> They're better than the Shimano dynohubs, IME and from what I read about 
> drag and power, certainly in weight and looks, tho' my information is 
> several years old.
>
> But SONs, especially the extra light low drag ones are still the industry 
> standard and do cost about twice what the SPs cost -- the SP's don't cost 
> under $100; more like $150+.
>
> On Sun, May 21, 2023 at 7:08 AM RICHARD BORNEMAN  wrote:
>
>> James,
>>  Bike got here with no major damage  even with the poor packing job of 
>> the shop. The whole thing was flopping around in the box and I think it got 
>> a couple more dings but nothing major.
>> My problem is with the front wheel. I was led to believe it had a Schmidt 
>> SON hub.
>> That was one of the deciding factors for me. I was going to use the front 
>> wheel on another bike. It is in fact a Tiawan made SP hub that I have never 
>> heard of. Cost under $100. SON hubs are around $300.
>> I would like a price adjustment of the difference between the two hubs 
>> cost.
>> I have attached a photo of a SON hub compared to the SP on the Roadini.
>>
>> Richard
>> --
>> *From:* rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com  on 
>> behalf of James 
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 9, 2023 7:35 AM
>> *To:* RBW Owners Bunch 
>> *Subject:* [RBW] Re: FS: 61cm Roadini with great build 
>>  
>>
> SOLD!
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 8:11:00 AM UTC-4 lambbo wrote:
>>
>> Looks like an incredible ready-to-roll bike ready for some fast 
>> credit-card tours this summer...if I hadn't just built mine up just like 
>> this I'd get it.  
>>
>> On Monday, April 24, 2023 at 11:47:37 AM UTC-4 James wrote:
>>
>> Bump: $2,000 face to face sale in 28806.  Willing to ship at owners 
>> expense
>>
>> On Sunday, April 16, 2023 at 12:21:37 PM UTC-4 James wrote:
>>
>> Bump.  $2,150 and will ship at buyers expense
>> On Monday, April 10, 2023 at 9:57:53 AM UTC-4 James wrote:
>>
>> Bump on this.  Lots of interest but no follow-through
>>
>> On Saturday, April 1, 2023 at 9:27:04 PM UTC-4 James wrote:
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: 61cm Roadini with great build

[James]

Thanks for the input Patrick!  Richard and I resolved this

On Sunday, May 21, 2023 at 4:36:01 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Just a note on the SP (Shutter Precision) hub that does not bear on the 
> question of restorative justice.
>
> SP hubs are not bad; I've owned 2, and they're used by pros and semi pros 
> -- Lael Wilcox used an SP with her K-Lite on her record continental divide 
> win (beating the men, like Beryl Burton) a few years ago, and K-Lite spec'd 
> an SP with my dynamo light system when I bought it 7 years ago or so.
>
> They're better than the Shimano dynohubs, IME and from what I read about 
> drag and power, certainly in weight and looks, tho' my information is 
> several years old.
>
> But SONs, especially the extra light low drag ones are still the industry 
> standard and do cost about twice what the SPs cost -- the SP's don't cost 
> under $100; more like $150+.
>
> On Sun, May 21, 2023 at 7:08 AM RICHARD BORNEMAN  wrote:
>
>> James,
>>  Bike got here with no major damage  even with the poor packing job of 
>> the shop. The whole thing was flopping around in the box and I think it got 
>> a couple more dings but nothing major.
>> My problem is with the front wheel. I was led to believe it had a Schmidt 
>> SON hub.
>> That was one of the deciding factors for me. I was going to use the front 
>> wheel on another bike. It is in fact a Tiawan made SP hub that I have never 
>> heard of. Cost under $100. SON hubs are around $300.
>> I would like a price adjustment of the difference between the two hubs 
>> cost.
>> I have attached a photo of a SON hub compared to the SP on the Roadini.
>>
>> Richard
>> --
>> *From:* rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com  on 
>> behalf of James 
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 9, 2023 7:35 AM
>> *To:* RBW Owners Bunch 
>> *Subject:* [RBW] Re: FS: 61cm Roadini with great build 
>>  
>>
> SOLD!
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 8:11:00 AM UTC-4 lambbo wrote:
>>
>> Looks like an incredible ready-to-roll bike ready for some fast 
>> credit-card tours this summer...if I hadn't just built mine up just like 
>> this I'd get it.  
>>
>> On Monday, April 24, 2023 at 11:47:37 AM UTC-4 James wrote:
>>
>> Bump: $2,000 face to face sale in 28806.  Willing to ship at owners 
>> expense
>>
>> On Sunday, April 16, 2023 at 12:21:37 PM UTC-4 James wrote:
>>
>> Bump.  $2,150 and will ship at buyers expense
>> On Monday, April 10, 2023 at 9:57:53 AM UTC-4 James wrote:
>>
>> Bump on this.  Lots of interest but no follow-through
>>
>> On Saturday, April 1, 2023 at 9:27:04 PM UTC-4 James wrote:
>>
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[RBW] Re: FS: Swift Sugarloaf Bag, Nitto S83, Manything Cage

[James]

I'll take the seat post!  I sent you a PM

On Tuesday, May 9, 2023 at 9:21:43 AM UTC-4 velomann wrote:

> PM sent for Sugarloaf.
>
> Mike M
>
> On Monday, May 8, 2023 at 4:31:19 PM UTC-7 Tim Bantham wrote:
>
>> Hello All, I have a few parts bin item I'd like to offer here on RBW 
>> Owners Bunch. 
>>
>> All items are priced to include shipping anywhere to the lower 48 States. 
>>
>> Item #1 Swift Sugarloaf Basket bag. Fits perfectly in a Wald 137. Color 
>> is blue/gray. Good condition, no rips, zippers work, no excessive wear. *$80 
>> shipped*
>>
>> Item #2 Nitto S83 seatpost. AKA the best seat post ever. Size is 27.2 x 
>> 300 mm. Matte black. great condition. *$75 shipped.*
>>
>> Item #3 Titanium King "Manything" Cage. Great for bike camping! Great 
>> condition. Color is Matte Black. 
>> *$50 shipped. *
>>
>> *Photos here: *https://photos.app.goo.gl/1Fywa2gg3U2dXm6A7
>>
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[RBW] Re: FS: 61cm Roadini with great build

[James]

SOLD!

On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 8:11:00 AM UTC-4 lambbo wrote:

> Looks like an incredible ready-to-roll bike ready for some fast 
> credit-card tours this summer...if I hadn't just built mine up just like 
> this I'd get it.  
>
> On Monday, April 24, 2023 at 11:47:37 AM UTC-4 James wrote:
>
>> Bump: $2,000 face to face sale in 28806.  Willing to ship at owners 
>> expense
>>
>> On Sunday, April 16, 2023 at 12:21:37 PM UTC-4 James wrote:
>>
>>> Bump.  $2,150 and will ship at buyers expense
>>> On Monday, April 10, 2023 at 9:57:53 AM UTC-4 James wrote:
>>>
>>>> Bump on this.  Lots of interest but no follow-through
>>>>
>>>> On Saturday, April 1, 2023 at 9:27:04 PM UTC-4 James wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>

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[RBW] WTB: Fairweather Ongr bag

[James M]

Probably unlikely, but can't hurt to ask.  Looking for one of these 
- https://global.bluelug.com/fairweather-ongr-bag.html

James

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Re: [RBW] Bike route mapping & guidance app for iPhone

[James M]

Another vote for RWGPS.  I use it with my phone and a Quad Lock mount.  
Great route planning on the computer.

On Monday, May 1, 2023 at 3:16:19 PM UTC-4 DavidP wrote:

> Another RideWithGPS user - it has been my go to for route creation (and 
> ride/mileage tracking) for a long time and it has continued to improve in 
> its ease of use. I usually export routes and load them onto a Garmin GPS or 
> into my phone for use with various apps.
>
> -Dave
>
> On Monday, May 1, 2023 at 2:28:25 PM UTC-4 Patch T wrote:
>
>> Another vote for RideWithGPS + iPhone and/or computer (mine, a Wahoo 
>> Element).
>>
>> Patch, still always lost in, and around, NYC
>> On Monday, May 1, 2023 at 2:12:40 PM UTC-4 jacob...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Ridewithgps lets you build routes on your pc and navigate them through 
>>> the iPhone app. It does audible directions as well. Normally I build the 
>>> route on my computer and then load the ride on my bike computer (Hammerhead 
>>> Karoo or Wahoo Element). I have just used the iPhone app at times. Works 
>>> great. Komoot should do the job too but I’m not as familiar with it. 
>>>
>>> Cheers, 
>>>
>>> Jacob
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On May 1, 2023, at 1:56 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> Thanks to the car-centric development of this our Southwestern city we 
>>> often have destinations only a few miles away that you can't ride to on 
>>> direct, paved routes. OTOH, thanks to our extensive dirt trails, there are 
>>> often off-road workarounds that, if they add 50% or more to the total 
>>> distance are pleasant to ride -- and after all, one rides for pleasure; or 
>>> I hope one does.
>>>
>>> I have to take a computer in to a shop tomorrow. By 6-lane boulevard and 
>>> resulting horrible intersections it's 3.3 miles, but per Google maps there 
>>> is apparently a combined residential street-cum-dirt trail route that can 
>>> get me there.
>>>
>>> The trouble is that it's complicated enough that I have a hard time 
>>> following it on my 42" professional screen. Also, I am rather "spatially 
>>> dyslexic:" I don't easily comprehend spatial directions, relations, and 
>>> distances -- generally I painstakingly work out complicated routes on a 
>>> verbal instruction sheet.
>>>
>>> I cannot use Google Maps or on a 2" iPhone screen.
>>>
>>> But: is there some miracle phone app that will, say, let you pick out 
>>> such a route on a big screen and transfer it to a phone where the app will 
>>> walk you through the turns and distances?
>>>
>>> Otherwise, I'll stick to writing out route marker lists.
>>>
>>> Aside: When I drive with my daughter, she gauged routes using Siri to 
>>> operate a direction app that would nag you to turn in "100 yards" or what 
>>> have you. But (1) I will *not* talk to a ddogamned machine, and (2) the 
>>> routes in question involve paths that I expect are not inside Google or 
>>> Apple systems.
>>>
>>> Patrick Moore, who from time to time revisits Robin Williams very funny 
>>> Siri putdown on Ellen DeGeneres.
>>>
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[RBW] Re: FS: 61cm Roadini with great build

[James]

Bump: $2,000 face to face sale in 28806.  Willing to ship at owners expense

On Sunday, April 16, 2023 at 12:21:37 PM UTC-4 James wrote:

> Bump.  $2,150 and will ship at buyers expense
> On Monday, April 10, 2023 at 9:57:53 AM UTC-4 James wrote:
>
>> Bump on this.  Lots of interest but no follow-through
>>
>> On Saturday, April 1, 2023 at 9:27:04 PM UTC-4 James wrote:
>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Blue Lug work hat

[James M]

Sold quickly to a good home!

James

On Friday, April 21, 2023 at 10:30:22 AM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:

> Thanks for looking out for me, Eric. Rivendell fans/owners are some of the 
> greatest humans out there.
>
> On Thursday, April 20, 2023 at 11:28:04 PM UTC-4 James wrote:
>
>> Also interested.  I sent you a pm
>>
>> On Thursday, April 20, 2023 at 9:01:01 PM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Johnny has been asking around for one of these in a handful of threads, 
>>> I hope we can politely hold out for him? 
>>>
>>> On Thursday, April 20, 2023 at 5:15:15 PM UTC-4 mcgr...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> Sending this one back into the world.  I bought it from J J, also tried 
>>>> it on once, and also decided it wasn't for me.  It's a cool hat though.  I 
>>>> even tried to convince my teenager that it would look good on her, but to 
>>>> no avail.  Selling for the same $58 (shipped) that I bought it for.  Photo 
>>>> below is a snip from J J's thread, I'll post a real photo tonight.
>>>>
>>>> James
>>>>
>>>> [image: Screenshot 2023-04-20 171219.jpg]
>>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Blue Lug work hat

[James]

Also interested.  I sent you a pm

On Thursday, April 20, 2023 at 9:01:01 PM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> Johnny has been asking around for one of these in a handful of threads, I 
> hope we can politely hold out for him? 
>
> On Thursday, April 20, 2023 at 5:15:15 PM UTC-4 mcgr...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Sending this one back into the world.  I bought it from J J, also tried 
>> it on once, and also decided it wasn't for me.  It's a cool hat though.  I 
>> even tried to convince my teenager that it would look good on her, but to 
>> no avail.  Selling for the same $58 (shipped) that I bought it for.  Photo 
>> below is a snip from J J's thread, I'll post a real photo tonight.
>>
>> James
>>
>> [image: Screenshot 2023-04-20 171219.jpg]
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Riv Ride in Asheville NC?

[James]

Curious to be in the loop as well.  I'm in Asheville but just unsure if 
I'll be able to make the dates.  If I can, I will!

On Thursday, April 20, 2023 at 6:55:58 PM UTC-4 Gary L wrote:

> Hi James,
> Thanks for letting us know you might be interested in the Asheville 
> weekend ride in July. I'll be starting to actually plan stuff in a couple 
> of weeks with some other local Riv owners  and will definitely keep you in 
> the loop.
> Gary
>
> On Thursday, April 20, 2023 at 5:17:15 PM UTC-4 mcgr...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I would love to know more about Asheville area routes, once you folks do 
>> this.  I was down there at the beginning of April for a couple of days and 
>> definitely need to go back.  (I just wish it wasn't such a looong drive 
>> from northern NJ.)
>>
>> James
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 18, 2023 at 10:54:11 AM UTC-4 frank.b...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all - I have been quietly tracking this conversation and am looking 
>>> at my work & life calendars to see if it is a feasible trip for me. I will 
>>> be traveling from Richmond, VA and appreciate all the thinking and effort 
>>> to get this going!
>>> -Frank 
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, April 18, 2023 at 9:48:02 AM UTC-4 Gary L wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Pam! So glad you’re interested and hope you can make it. We will 
>>>> certainly have lots of options ride-wise but haven’t nailed anything down 
>>>> yet. Certainly lots of road and greenway options. Some of the gravel fire 
>>>> roads are pretty mellow too. And we’ll definitely have time built in pre 
>>>> and post ride for socializing, and I love your idea of a swap/sale/trade 
>>>> opportunity. Maybe we could even let folks post what they are thinking 
>>>> about bringing to make it more interesting.
>>>>
>>>> On Tuesday, April 18, 2023 at 12:03:21 AM UTC-4 Pam Bikes wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I'm going to try to come.  I'd like roads.  What mileage options are 
>>>>> we thinking about?  Obviously I would like plenty of time to see all the 
>>>>> bikes and meet all the owners so plenty of stops along the way and some 
>>>>> time at the beginning and end of the rides would be great.  Want to bring 
>>>>> stuff to swap/sell/trade?  Want to have anything else like seeing gear 
>>>>> such 
>>>>> as favorite bags, tents, accoutrements?  Let me know how I can help.  
>>>>> Let me know if anyone wants to carpool from Charlotte or stop through on 
>>>>> the way there or back.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wednesday, April 12, 2023 at 1:46:14 PM UTC-4 brok...@gmail.com 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks Gary! I’m definitely free then. I’ll see if I can round up a 
>>>>>> few other Riv riders here in Kentucky!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - Brian
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Apr 12, 2023, at 1:08 PM, Jason D  wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thank you Gary! This sounds like an awesome time.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wednesday, April 12, 2023 at 12:23:31 PM UTC-4 Gary L wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi from Asheville,
>>>>>>> Wanted to let folks know that we've currently got 5-8 local Riv 
>>>>>>> riders and 3+ (thanks Laing, Brian, Jason, and maybe George for letting 
>>>>>>> me 
>>>>>>> know) that have said they'd be able to make the weekend of July 7-9 
>>>>>>> work 
>>>>>>> for them, so let's make that the official date for our Asheville meet 
>>>>>>> up. 
>>>>>>> If anyone else would like to join us please let me know! Also happy to 
>>>>>>> answer any questions if you're iffy or want more info.
>>>>>>> Cheers, 
>>>>>>> Gary
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thursday, April 6, 2023 at 11:56:46 AM UTC-4 brok...@gmail.com 
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks for the clarification, Gary! Those potential dates work 
>>>>>>>> better for me, personally. I have no plans for the month of July, and 
>>>>>>>> I am 
>>>>>>>> freed up after Sept. 10th for some bike fun. Hoping something can 
>>>>>>>> m

Re: [RBW] Re: Riv Ride in Asheville NC?

[James M]

I would love to know more about Asheville area routes, once you folks do 
this.  I was down there at the beginning of April for a couple of days and 
definitely need to go back.  (I just wish it wasn't such a looong drive 
from northern NJ.)

James

On Tuesday, April 18, 2023 at 10:54:11 AM UTC-4 frank.b...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hi all - I have been quietly tracking this conversation and am looking at 
> my work & life calendars to see if it is a feasible trip for me. I will be 
> traveling from Richmond, VA and appreciate all the thinking and effort to 
> get this going!
> -Frank 
>
> On Tuesday, April 18, 2023 at 9:48:02 AM UTC-4 Gary L wrote:
>
>> Hi Pam! So glad you’re interested and hope you can make it. We will 
>> certainly have lots of options ride-wise but haven’t nailed anything down 
>> yet. Certainly lots of road and greenway options. Some of the gravel fire 
>> roads are pretty mellow too. And we’ll definitely have time built in pre 
>> and post ride for socializing, and I love your idea of a swap/sale/trade 
>> opportunity. Maybe we could even let folks post what they are thinking 
>> about bringing to make it more interesting.
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 18, 2023 at 12:03:21 AM UTC-4 Pam Bikes wrote:
>>
>>> I'm going to try to come.  I'd like roads.  What mileage options are we 
>>> thinking about?  Obviously I would like plenty of time to see all the bikes 
>>> and meet all the owners so plenty of stops along the way and some time at 
>>> the beginning and end of the rides would be great.  Want to bring stuff to 
>>> swap/sell/trade?  Want to have anything else like seeing gear such as 
>>> favorite bags, tents, accoutrements?  Let me know how I can help.  Let 
>>> me know if anyone wants to carpool from Charlotte or stop through on the 
>>> way there or back.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, April 12, 2023 at 1:46:14 PM UTC-4 brok...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thanks Gary! I’m definitely free then. I’ll see if I can round up a few 
>>>> other Riv riders here in Kentucky!
>>>>
>>>> - Brian
>>>>
>>>> On Apr 12, 2023, at 1:08 PM, Jason D  wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Thank you Gary! This sounds like an awesome time.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wednesday, April 12, 2023 at 12:23:31 PM UTC-4 Gary L wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi from Asheville,
>>>>> Wanted to let folks know that we've currently got 5-8 local Riv riders 
>>>>> and 3+ (thanks Laing, Brian, Jason, and maybe George for letting me know) 
>>>>> that have said they'd be able to make the weekend of July 7-9 work for 
>>>>> them, so let's make that the official date for our Asheville meet up. If 
>>>>> anyone else would like to join us please let me know! Also happy to 
>>>>> answer 
>>>>> any questions if you're iffy or want more info.
>>>>> Cheers, 
>>>>> Gary
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thursday, April 6, 2023 at 11:56:46 AM UTC-4 brok...@gmail.com 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks for the clarification, Gary! Those potential dates work better 
>>>>>> for me, personally. I have no plans for the month of July, and I am 
>>>>>> freed 
>>>>>> up after Sept. 10th for some bike fun. Hoping something can materialize 
>>>>>> for 
>>>>>> these new dates!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Brian
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thursday, April 6, 2023 at 11:41:18 AM UTC-4 Gary L wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That's correct - the May 12-14 date didn't work out so the July/Sept 
>>>>>>> dates were thrown out to see if more folks would be able to join.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thursday, April 6, 2023 at 10:41:19 AM UTC-4 brok...@gmail.com 
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So, just to get this straight... did the previously proposed 
>>>>>>>> weekend of May 12-14th not work well enough for everyone? I was not 
>>>>>>>> going 
>>>>>>>> to be free that weekend, but if it's looking like a July date might be 
>>>>>>>> better for more people, then I may just be able to make that happen.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, April 5, 2023 at 3:06:19 PM UTC-4 Gary L wrote:
>>>>>>>>

[RBW] FS: Blue Lug work hat

[James M]

Sending this one back into the world.  I bought it from J J, also tried it 
on once, and also decided it wasn't for me.  It's a cool hat though.  I 
even tried to convince my teenager that it would look good on her, but to 
no avail.  Selling for the same $58 (shipped) that I bought it for.  Photo 
below is a snip from J J's thread, I'll post a real photo tonight.

James

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[RBW] Re: 2023 Nutmeg Country Spring Fling

[James M]

I already have a bike camping trip with folks out at the Delaware Water Gap 
that weekend, otherwise would definitely go.  I am planning to go back for 
another Nor'Easter in October though - have had the calendar marked for 
that in ink!

James

On Wednesday, April 19, 2023 at 8:57:59 AM UTC-4 Stephen wrote:

> I'm planning on going for the atb route, driving from NYC. I've got room 
> for one more person+bike if someone wants to hop in for the ride. 
>
> On Wednesday, April 19, 2023 at 2:31:21 AM UTC-4 drewfi...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Hey Gary,
>>
>> I saw that! I've got it on my calendar now. Let me know as I'd love to 
>> drive up and go on a ride with y'all.
>>
>> - Drew
>>
>> On Monday, April 17, 2023 at 6:01:34 PM UTC-4 Gary L wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Drew,
>>> Saw your post about a Southeastern ride - we've been talking on the 
>>> forum about a Riv weekend in asheville July 7-9. Let me know if you're 
>>> interested and we'll keep you posted on planning as it gets more dialed in.
>>> Gary
>>>
>>> On Monday, April 17, 2023 at 11:49:18 AM UTC-4 drewfi...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Been mulling it over too Eric, but the drive up from Atlanta... little 
>>>> bit spicy! 
>>>>
>>>> Maybe some of us in this neck of the woods can put together some sort 
>>>> of Sou'Easter event that's similar? 
>>>>
>>>> On Thursday, April 13, 2023 at 1:18:04 PM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I'm giving attendance some serious consideration and if I come up, 
>>>>> I'll do the ATB route. 
>>>>>
>>>>> Scott — I think the road route for the 2023 Fling is considered the 
>>>>> bailout option. 
>>>>>
>>>>> More on the routes here from the 2022 edition, which follows the same 
>>>>> routes: 
>>>>> https://ronsbikesblog.com/2022/04/03/2022-nutmeg-country-spring-fling/
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thursday, April 13, 2023 at 12:00:30 PM UTC-4 greenteadrinkers 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm also considering the ATB route, not sure if I'm up for a full 50 
>>>>>> miles, wondering if there are any bailouts?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Scott
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thursday, April 13, 2023 at 10:46:25 AM UTC-4 maxcr wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Awesome! Based on J's post and the fact that you're going for the 
>>>>>>> ATB route, I think I'm going to switch and do that with my Hunqa (I 
>>>>>>> will 
>>>>>>> need to reinstall my rear rack so I can bring a saddlebag on it)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Glad to hear that gorgeous black Sam is still bringing you joy - I 
>>>>>>> love that color scheme and you can't beat a Sam...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Max
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thursday, April 13, 2023 at 8:37:01 AM UTC-6 charlie...@gmail.com 
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hey Max,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm planning on making the trip down from Portsmouth, NH and will 
>>>>>>>> attempt the ATB route. 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Not sure if you remember, but I'm the guy who bought your Sam 
>>>>>>>> Hillborne back in February 2020. Still got it and it's still awesome!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Charlie 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, April 12, 2023 at 10:55:41 AM UTC-4 maxcr wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Who's going to the 2023 Nutmeg Country Spring Fling in May?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I've never done it but this might be the year! It seems like I 
>>>>>>>>> might actually be able to make the drive up from Boston.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Debating which route to choose: ATB route with the fenderless 
>>>>>>>>> Hunqa on 2.1" tubeless Thunderburts or Rando route with the newly 
>>>>>>>>> appointed 
>>>>>>>>> Bombadil on 2" Schwalbe Marathons and fenders?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Details here: 
>>>>>>>>> https://ronsbikesblog.com/2023/04/11/2023-nutmeg-country-spring-fling-info-and-reg/
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Let me know if you're planning to go, I'd love to meet some folks 
>>>>>>>>> from the group in person.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Max 
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>

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[RBW] Re: FS: 61cm Roadini with great build

[James]

Bump.  $2,150 and will ship at buyers expense
On Monday, April 10, 2023 at 9:57:53 AM UTC-4 James wrote:

> Bump on this.  Lots of interest but no follow-through
>
> On Saturday, April 1, 2023 at 9:27:04 PM UTC-4 James wrote:
>
>>

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[RBW] FS: Castelli skully cap and vest

[James]

I was gifted some cycling apparel that I don't anticipate wearing, so I'm 
moving them along.

Castelli Skully Cap, orange, and a Castelli Squadra Vest, XL.  The skinny 
cap doesn't lost a size but when I buy a hat I buy a L or XL.  Both are 
brand-new with tags. The skully retails for $25 and the vest retails for 
$60.  Selling both for $45 shipped.

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[RBW] Re: FS: 61cm Roadini with great build

[James]

Bump on this.  Lots of interest but no follow-through

On Saturday, April 1, 2023 at 9:27:04 PM UTC-4 James wrote:

>

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Re: [RBW] 60cm Appaloosa Standover

[James]

Tom, can I ask your PBH?  I have a 62 Appaloosa and it seems just slightly 
too big for me at a 92 pbh with long arms

On Friday, March 24, 2023 at 8:06:30 AM UTC-4 Bones wrote:

> 60cm Appaloosa: 700x55 Fleecer Ridge = ~89.5cm standover
>
> Bones
>
> On Thursday, March 23, 2023 at 8:15:08 PM UTC-4 Tom Horton wrote:
>
>> for what it's worth, standover on my app 62 (double top bars) is 91cm
>>
>> running 38mm compass barlow pass tires.
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 23, 2023 at 8:08 PM DamonLee  wrote:
>>
>>> Wondering if someone could measure the standover height on their 60cm 
>>> Appaloosa?
>>> (also knowing what tire size you are running would be great too!)
>>> Thank you in advance!
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Let's talk about the All Rounder

[James Valiensi]

Hi,
Well that is interesting. I had the impression they hadn’t done the rack mounts 
earlier, from the conversations I had with them when placing my order. Perhaps 
it was a rare request back then. 
Anyways - I am happy the mounts are more or less standard now a days, they are 
so useful!

That green bike is very nice.

> On Mar 22, 2023, at 5:07 PM, Andrew Letton  wrote:
> 
> My Joe Stark '99 All-Rounder has rack mounts on the fork blades.  
> Was it maybe just that Curt had not yet done rack mounts on the fork blades 
> for Rivs at that point?
> cheers,
> Andrew in Sydney
> 
> On Thursday, March 23, 2023 at 11:02:02 AM GMT+11, James Valiensi 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi,
> When I ordered my custom Rivendell in 2002 I requested rack mounts on the 
> fork blades. They hadn’t done this before. I had to send a drawing showing 
> what I wanted. They agreed and Curt Goodrich made my frame. Joe Stark was 
> supposed to be my builder, but he went of the reversvation before he started 
> on it. I met Curt a few times and I’m super happy with his work. 
> 
> So, front rack mounts were not part of the normal Rivendell catalog 20 years 
> ago.
> 
> James
> 
>> On Mar 10, 2023, at 11:31 AM, m f > <mailto:rockthrower...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi - I'm new here! Not sure how many of you saw this on eBay over the past 
>> few months, but I was able to work with the seller and found a way to buy 
>> this 2000 All-Rounder (Curt Goodrich). I have a couple updates in mind 
>> (sweptback handlebar, Brooks saddle), but those will happen with time. First 
>> step will be new tires and tuning the mechanicals (Dura Ace except for 
>> crankset) so I can get a ride or two under my belt. If the seller is in this 
>> group - thanks again for all the help!
>> 
>> Questions for the group: 
>> It seems odd to find an All Rounder, or any Riv for that matter, without 
>> rack mounts on the upper/mid fork blade. Would this have been a special 
>> request to not have them?
>> What are the markers that indicate the frame was painted at Joe Bell's shop?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Sunday, March 20, 2022 at 8:09:10 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>> The All Rounder like the XO-1 before it gets a lot of interest and praise, 
>> but I think that, like the XO-1 that preceeded it, it is an early design 
>> that has been superseded and bettered by later Grantian bikes, starting with 
>> the Atlantis and continuing with the Sam Hillborne and doubtless the more 
>> recent models.
>> 
>> I say this having owned an XO-1 and having bought a custom Road based on the 
>> All Rounder, with lighter (753) tubing and slightly more upright hta (IIRC). 
>> My 1999 and 2003 Road customs, also built for 26" wheels, are better "All 
>> Round" both on pavement and in dirt than either XO-1 and the first Road 
>> custom, with much longer chainstays, slightly sacker head, and upsloping tts 
>> with extended head tubes. 
>> 
>> I say again that the later Road customs ride better on dirt, particularly 
>> sandy surfaces, than the XO-1 and the first gen, AR-based road custom.
>> 
>> I think -- but I am open to reasoned rebuttal -- that an Atlantis or Sam 
>> Hill would be better for all round riding than either XOs or ARs.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Let's talk about the All Rounder

[James Valiensi]

Hi,
When I ordered my custom Rivendell in 2002 I requested rack mounts on the fork 
blades. They hadn’t done this before. I had to send a drawing showing what I 
wanted. They agreed and Curt Goodrich made my frame. Joe Stark was supposed to 
be my builder, but he went of the reversvation before he started on it. I met 
Curt a few times and I’m super happy with his work. 

So, front rack mounts were not part of the normal Rivendell catalog 20 years 
ago.

James

> On Mar 10, 2023, at 11:31 AM, m f  wrote:
> 
> Hi - I'm new here! Not sure how many of you saw this on eBay over the past 
> few months, but I was able to work with the seller and found a way to buy 
> this 2000 All-Rounder (Curt Goodrich). I have a couple updates in mind 
> (sweptback handlebar, Brooks saddle), but those will happen with time. First 
> step will be new tires and tuning the mechanicals (Dura Ace except for 
> crankset) so I can get a ride or two under my belt. If the seller is in this 
> group - thanks again for all the help!
> 
> Questions for the group: 
> It seems odd to find an All Rounder, or any Riv for that matter, without rack 
> mounts on the upper/mid fork blade. Would this have been a special request to 
> not have them?
> What are the markers that indicate the frame was painted at Joe Bell's shop?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Sunday, March 20, 2022 at 8:09:10 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
> The All Rounder like the XO-1 before it gets a lot of interest and praise, 
> but I think that, like the XO-1 that preceeded it, it is an early design that 
> has been superseded and bettered by later Grantian bikes, starting with the 
> Atlantis and continuing with the Sam Hillborne and doubtless the more recent 
> models.
> 
> I say this having owned an XO-1 and having bought a custom Road based on the 
> All Rounder, with lighter (753) tubing and slightly more upright hta (IIRC). 
> My 1999 and 2003 Road customs, also built for 26" wheels, are better "All 
> Round" both on pavement and in dirt than either XO-1 and the first Road 
> custom, with much longer chainstays, slightly sacker head, and upsloping tts 
> with extended head tubes. 
> 
> I say again that the later Road customs ride better on dirt, particularly 
> sandy surfaces, than the XO-1 and the first gen, AR-based road custom.
> 
> I think -- but I am open to reasoned rebuttal -- that an Atlantis or Sam Hill 
> would be better for all round riding than either XOs or ARs.
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Re: [RBW] Rivendell Legos!

[James Warren]

Hey hey, it’s Lego. Not “Legos”


> On Mar 6, 2023, at 1:43 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
> 
> 
> It has been 16+ years since I bought my daughter little kid/big size Legos, 
> but I seem to recall that back in the old days (he said bitterly) that Legos 
> were simply standard shapes out of which the child could build whatever he or 
> she imagined. I know that 25 years ago or so my then elementary school age 
> nephew and a couple of friends built a whole civilization out of Legos that 
> lasted several years -- I seem to recall it was a mix of violent Viking 
> barbarism and Roman jurisprudence, with its own constitution and code of 
> draconian laws. They had not heard of Boxen. Is it all theme kits nowadays?
> 
>> On Mon, Mar 6, 2023 at 12:35 PM Joe Mullins  wrote:
>> https://www.lego.com/en-us/product/the-lord-of-the-rings-rivendell-10316?icmp=HP-SHH-Standard-VIP_Hero_10316_LOTR_Rivendell_VIP_Live_HP-PR-VIP-YZ0GDAOVIG
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>> Someone has to build this! 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Signing up for Scary Things: Intro to Bike Mechanics

[James Whorton]

Yes, RJ the Bike Guy is great.  Especially when he’s making his own tools, like the homemade bottom bracket thread chaser, the homemade headset press… it takes some of the mystery out of these processes.  On Feb 20, 2023, at 6:58 PM, Garth  wrote:Yep, three cheers for not underestimating your abilities ! In regards to wheel stuff, watch Jim Langley's video on wheel building, it's an hour, and you can watch it in parts of course. He has a rather calming way of showing you how he does it, and he's encouraging. Even if you have no confidence or desire to touch a wheel, at least watch it to see that it's not so mysterious. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XUqul03hbZ8And in print from his website. https://jimlangley.net/wrench/wheelbuildfull.htmlI have to say for an independent bike mechanic I always find "RJ The Bike Guy" on YT to have good videos for how to adjust/overhaul anything bike related. 



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[RBW] WTB: Nitto Wire Guard & other various things

[James]

Anyone have a wire guard they want to sell?  
-Nitto saddlebag grip R50
-MUSA clothing, size L

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[RBW] Re: Riv Riders in Western NC

[James]

I'm a Riv rider in West Asheville

On Monday, February 13, 2023 at 11:03:21 PM UTC-5 lukeheller wrote:

> I used to ride a Riv Canti-Rom for a few years when i first started riding 
> brevets in 2012.
> No longer ride a riv but all my bikes are riv inspired. I've had several 
> custom frames that are spin offs from my canti-rom.
> I'm the local organizer for the Asheville Intl Randonneurs and live in 
> Asheville if anyone wants to drink the kool-aid.
>
> On Monday, February 13, 2023 at 9:33:52 PM UTC-5 steve...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I'm in Asheville. Not currently on a Riv but am giving one some serious 
>> thought (which is why I'm on this group). I occasionally ride fire roads in 
>> the Pisgah starting from the Hub. Last spring I did a ride from the 
>> Arboretum at Bent Creek to the Hub (still sore from that one!). Been 
>> thinking Oscar Blues or Ecusta Brewing might be fun to start from and end 
>> at. I'd enjoy riding with a group of Riv riders - if you'd promise not to 
>> be too hard on me if I turn up on a different marque. Full disclosure; I am 
>> old and slow.
>> On Monday, February 13, 2023 at 8:45:40 PM UTC-5 Pam Bikes wrote:
>>
>>> I'm in Charlotte, NC.  We should plan a Riv NC ride sometime.  I'm not 
>>> much for climbing.
>>>
>>> On Monday, February 13, 2023 at 7:20:00 PM UTC-5 esoter...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Dick,

 I live in the flatlands of Raleigh, but my wife and I had a chance to 
 go on a terrific gravel ride with Michael on a visit to Boone. Michael's a 
 wonderful guy and he knows a bunch of great rides in the area. Y'all have 
 some excellent terrain up there in western NC. If you ever find yourself 
 near Boone, reach out to him. It's always a hoot to connect with someone 
 on 
 the list in person. Cheers,

 ~Mark
 Raleigh, NC

 On Monday, February 13, 2023 at 6:32:23 PM UTC-5 Michael Iauch wrote:

> I ride an Atlantis in Boone. Went to high school in Brevard. My folks 
> still live there. You may see my dad riding an old diamond back with 
> albatross bars I found in a junk pile and built up for him. He installed 
> an 
> electric assist on it! 
>
> Michael
> Boone, NC
>
> On Monday, February 13, 2023 at 1:36:10 PM UTC-5 Artaud wrote:
>
>> I ride my Hillborne further East in Greensboro, but after riding back 
>> home from Floyd two summers ago, I've been wanting to spend more time 
>> riding in the mountains.
>>
>> Denis, in NC
>> Le lundi 13 février 2023 à 12:21:08 UTC-5, Dick Pahle a écrit :
>>
>>> Checking to see if there are any Riv people, other than me, in the 
>>> Brevard NC area. I ride a 2015 AHH. 
>>>
>>> Dick
>>>
>>

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[RBW] WTT: My 62 Appaloosa for a 60cm Platypus

[James]

Anyone in Asheville, NC or surrounding area want to consider this trade.  I 
have never ridden a Platty, so dong a test ride is the first order of 
business to make sure it feels right.  My appaloosa is silver and cream and 
in great shape.  I want to keep all my components.  Really just testing the 
waters on this one.  Anyone local have a 60 Platy I can test ride?

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Re: [RBW] Re: Bombadil and Hunqapillar origins: The definitive thread

[James M]

Those Breezer seat sandwiches are so hard to find.  I did, however, find a 
3D printing plan for one that someone put on Thingiverse.  I had Shapeways 
print it in glass-filled nylon, and it's been working pretty well with the 
B-72 on my Hunq.

On Monday, February 6, 2023 at 9:08:12 AM UTC-5 lconley wrote:

> After reading that, I may have to put my Brooks B-72 with the Breezer Seat 
> Sandwich on the Bombadil. Just sitting on the shelf now, used to be on my 
> fatbike. Mine is a later version (bought new less than 10 years ago) with a 
> black frame. Makes me want to get the frame plated.
>
> Laing
>
> On Monday, February 6, 2023 at 7:29:29 AM UTC-5 maxcr wrote:
>
>>
>> Enjoy, Johns article is up: 
>> https://theradavist.com/rivendell-bombadil-review/
>> On Sunday, February 5, 2023 at 5:17:24 PM UTC-5 JohnS wrote:
>>
>>> Wow! I'm super impressed. And I bet they are all in the same great 
>>> condition as your Bombadil. Thanks for sharing.
>>>
>>> JohnS
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sunday, February 5, 2023 at 8:04:43 AM UTC-5 lconley wrote:
>>>
 8 - behind the Bombadil - Betty Foy, Hubbuhubbuh, Frank Jones Sr, 
 Mystery Bike, Gus Boots Willsen, hanging on the wall Rosco Bubbe V1, 
 Rivendell Custom. There are others not in the picture (Clementine, Rosco 
 Bubbe Medium Mountain Mixte, Roscoe Baby, Keven's Custom Mixte). The 
 Hubbuhubbuh has been sold since the picture was taken.

 Also in the picture - 2 1973 Schwinn Paramount P-15s, 2 Flying Pigeons, 
 2 Gitane Tour de Frances, Pashley Guv'nor, Crust Scapegoat,  Kent Cavalier 
 (recumbent 3 wheeler).

 Laing


 On Saturday, February 4, 2023 at 1:19:46 PM UTC-5 JohnS wrote:
 Wait a minute there Laing! How many Riv's are in that picture???

 Drill press, one of my favorite tools :)

 JohnS



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[RBW] Re: English subtitles for Blue Lug's video

[James M]

Thank you, thank you, thank you!  These Blue Lug videos are so good, I 
actually watched a bunch of this one, not understanding a bit of Japanese :)

On Friday, February 3, 2023 at 10:22:16 AM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> Masa, you are a gem! I cannot WAIT to sit down and watch the videos and 
> read your subtitles. Commuting by Platypus, being a wonderful father and 
> making your Riv friends subtitled videos…you are a saint! ♥️ I will ask my 
> son how to say thank you in Japanese when he gets home from school. For 
> now, thanks in English!
> Leah
>
> On Friday, February 3, 2023 at 7:26:58 AM UTC-5 Masa wrote:
>
>> Hello all!
>>
>> This is my first post of 2023, I hope you are having good rides!
>>
>> Last month I happened to have an opportunity to make subtitles for Blue 
>> Lug’s YouTube channel and now the “Rivendell Chart” video is English 
>> subtitled!
>>
>> Let me tell you how it happened. First of all, When I finished watching 
>> the video I felt that “oh this video should be shared with English speaking 
>> Rivendell fans(means this "RBW Owners Bunch) too” so I started translating 
>> the video briefly.
>>
>> Then I found someone commented that “Subtitles please!” and Blue Lug 
>> replied “we’d love to but at the moment we are too busy so we need a help”. 
>> I thought that “why don’t I do that?”
>>
>> It took me a week to complete subtitling between my work, playing with my 
>> baby, feeding my baby, putting my baby to sleep, sleeping with my baby, 
>> chatting with my wife and commuting by my Platypus.
>>
>> It was a really fun work to do related to not only the things I’m 
>> passionate about which are languages and bicycles but also favourite people 
>> who are Rivendell and Blue Lug!
>>
>> I would be very happy that if I could be a help for Rivendell and Blue 
>> Lug. Ultimately I hope people who watch the subtitled video will find how 
>> Rivendell bicycles are amazing even better than before, that would be 
>> amazing.
>>
>> Link to the video↓
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yx83uMhIgKA
>>
>> Masa
>>
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[RBW] Re: Simworks Ramble Bar experiences

[James M]

Looks like mounting these with negative rise could be something like a 
wider Choco bar, with a little less sweep, which could be good for trail 
riding.  (I love the ChocoMoose on my Hunq, but would be nice to be able to 
lean into the bars a bit more off road.)

On Thursday, February 2, 2023 at 11:06:38 AM UTC-5 iamkeith wrote:

> If you still have buyer's remorse after receiving them, let me know.  I 
> wasn't aware of these, but they look to be very much what I wish for on a 
> daily basis.  (Essentially, a really wide albatross bar.)  Wish they had a 
> 25.4 or 22.2 clamp area, and the grip area looks too short.  Actually, they 
> even admit that part.  But you could always use extenders to lengthen them 
> if you don't want bar end shifters.  
>
> Funny that they recommend a specific stem length.  That's really going to 
> depend on the bike, the desired position, and the particular rider's 
> physiology.  I think you'll still have to experiment with stems, just like 
> any bar. It's not like we're living in the 90s when every bike had the 
> exact same geometry.
>
> The reason those look appealing to me is because I'm a big-ish guy with 
> broad shoulders and a proprtionally long torso that puts my ideal grip 
> posiition further forward than most would want.  The last half-decade or so 
> has been a godsend for me with bars getting wider, but most (like the 
> tosco) sweep back without sweeping forward first, which means I need a 
> longer tem - which are hard to find.
>
> Let us know what you think.
>
>
>
> On Thursday, February 2, 2023 at 7:55:15 AM UTC-7 Damien wrote:
>
>> Hi! I'm curious if anyone has experience with these bars? I was able to 
>> track down a pair and I pulled the trigger on them without any real thought 
>> and had immediate buyers remorse. That said, I'd still love to hear others 
>> thoughts on them before I go down the dark path of buying parts to switch 
>> out my drop bars. How do they ride? Are they too wide? How did you set them 
>> up (i.e., stem length, etc.)? Recommend?
>>
>> Thanks all!
>>
>> Oh, and for reference, here they are: 
>> https://sim-works.com/en/news/golden-pliers-x-simworks-ramble-bar
>>
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Re: [RBW] Jobst Brandt thought experiment: What would he ride today?

[James Valiensi]

Hi,
I believe Jobst road bikes made by Peter Johnson of north California. Peter’s 
frames were the best made, ever. I met and road with Peter a few times, and 
seen his frames without paint, his craftsmanship was without peers.

> On Feb 2, 2023, at 7:15 AM, George Schick  wrote:
> 
> Considering the very large size frame shown in these various photos I'm 
> surprised that he still insisted on using DT shifters - that'd be a long 
> reach.  'Course, I suppose it didn't matter much since he didn't shift very 
> often...
> 
> On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 10:02:29 PM UTC-6 Patrick Moore wrote:
> Given the stubbornness and native retrogrouchery he exhibited during his 
> 80-something years of riding -- he was riding basically the same sort of bike 
> in 2010 as he rode in 1960 -- I'd guess that if he were riding in 2023 he'd 
> be riding the same thing. 
> 
> I think this is one of his last bikes; an all terrain bike by his usage. He 
> did progress to a threadless stem and clipless pedals.
> 
> Laing remarks on the absence of helmets in the Tom Ritchey article photos. 
> The photos seem to be from the 1970s or early 1980s, back before helmets 
> became common; I recall buying my first helmet circa 1986 or 1987 -- that 
> heavy Bell VI-Pro made of thick, stiff plastic, but helmets then at least in 
> W DC, were just becoming common.
> 
> The proportion of his 700C wheels to his seat tube -- 68 cm? -- is very like 
> that of my 559 wheels to my 58 cm seat tube.
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, Jan 31, 2023 at 8:49 AM Andrew Turner  > wrote:
> I'm in the process of building a JB-inspired road bike but with a nod to 
> current bicycle trends: mainly wider tires and spinnier gearing. As a result, 
> it's made me wonder what he would be riding today if you spliced his timeline 
> and moved his prime days to current day. 
> 
> Today's Radavist 
> 
>  article really fueled that question so I'd like to open it up to this group 
> who likely have much more insight into the man and his bike(s). 
> 
> What are we thinking? Rim brakes or disc? Carbon? Steel? Ti? I see a lot of 
> similarities between him and Jan Heine as far as a desire for performance and 
> reliability, so perhaps he'd lean towards a rando build?  
> 
> Take it away if you wish, 
> Andrew
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[RBW] Re: Nice Rivendell, Goodrich and Sevens for Sale

[James M]

The colors on that Ram are dreamy!

On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 12:42:52 PM UTC-5 mmille...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hey all. A local STL fellow just posted some bikes 
>  
> for sale locally. I just talked with him and am going to go look at them. 
> There are a couple frames I'm not familiar with. Since this is where all 
> the experts are, is there anything I should be looking for? I assume the 
> grey AHH and the brown Ram are custom paint jobs. Is the orange one likely 
> custom or an early Riv? And thoughts on the Goodrich? They all look to be 
> fairly similar builds, and I'm wondering if nothing differentiates when I 
> ride them, if I should consider anything else before buying (assuming the 
> boss OKs it. Ha). I do see the brakes are different on the AHH models. 
> Thanks, everyone.

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[RBW] Re: WTB: MUSA Shorts, Coyote/khaki color, size medium

[James]

Going to bump this one time

On Friday, January 6, 2023 at 9:39:34 AM UTC-5 James wrote:

> Hoping someone has a new or used pair of these shorts laying around that 
> they would consider selling to me for the right price.  Not interested in 
> the black or ranger green.  Happy new year

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[RBW] WTB: MUSA Shorts, Coyote/khaki color, size medium

[James]

Hoping someone has a new or used pair of these shorts laying around that 
they would consider selling to me for the right price.  Not interested in 
the black or ranger green.  Happy new year

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[RBW] Re: Suntour and sardine stickers (and more hats)

[James M]

I ordered a couple of those sardines - very cool. Where's the picture of 
the bike on the Big Cartel page from? A Riv staff bike?

On Friday, December 30, 2022 at 12:34:57 AM UTC-5 Luke Hendrickson wrote:

> Sickkk
>
> On Thursday, December 29, 2022 at 3:06:33 PM UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> I have some new Suntour stickers and another batch of hats, if that's 
>> your thing! And I have some more sardine stickers (as seen on some bikes at 
>> Rivendell HQ)
>>
>> I've migrated over to Big Cartel as fielding orders through individual 
>> emails was a bit tricky to manage :) 
>>
>> https://genericindustries.bigcartel.com/
>>
>> Thanks for looking
>>
>> [image: suntour stickers 01.jpg]
>>
>> [image: sardines 01.jpg]
>>
>> [image: suntourhat 01.jpg]
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Roller-Cam brakes

[James]

This is encouraging information!  Thanks for sharing the knowledge.  Hoping 
to see the bike this week

On Tuesday, December 27, 2022 at 1:48:12 PM UTC-5 Greg J wrote:

> James, if the picture you attached is the actual bike you're looking at, 
> those are the nice ones.  You should have no issues with those brakes. 
>  They work great, they take normal brake shoes, and there are plenty enough 
> of them for spare parts (although they're pretty well built).  Good luck!
>
> Greg
>
> On Tuesday, December 27, 2022 at 9:54:22 AM UTC-8 iamkeith wrote:
>
>> Those can be great brakes.  You're fortunate that the posts are located 
>> on the seat stays. Most often they are on the bottom of the chainstays and 
>> are difficult to work on just because of lack of space.  There are two 
>> slightly different versions of those sun tour brakes, with one generally 
>> being considered superior.  I don't know enough to identify which yours is  
>> but there's info out there.  There are also U-brakes that look like giant 
>> frame-mount center-pull caliper brakes, which use the same mounting 
>> standard, but I don't know that they're an improvement at all.  They're 
>> bulky and have limited clearance.  There are also super sought-after roller 
>> cams made by WTB/Charlie Cunningham/DKG machine, but they'd be a couple 
>> thousand dollars each  IF you could even find them.  The sun tours are a 
>> licensed version of those, and are pretty neat for a runabout hobby bike.
>>
>> On Tuesday, December 27, 2022 at 10:39:26 AM UTC-7 James wrote:
>>
>>> This isn't a Rivendell related question, and for that I apologize, but 
>>> ya'll are the most bike-savvy people I "know".  I see a lot of value in a 
>>> cheap, knock-around, lock-up-anywhere bike, so I have my eyes on a local 
>>> Schwinn High Sierra.  It has roller-cam brakes and I have know experience 
>>> with those.  What is yawls experience with roller-cam breaks and due to the 
>>> placement of the mounts on the frame, what other brakes may be compatible? 
>>>  The mounts seem higher on the frame than cantilever mounts.  Would center 
>>> or side-pull brakes work?  What other options do I have?  Thank you
>>>
>>> Picture: https://imgur.com/0IqjRl1
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Roller-Cam brakes

[James]

This isn't a Rivendell related question, and for that I apologize, but 
ya'll are the most bike-savvy people I "know".  I see a lot of value in a 
cheap, knock-around, lock-up-anywhere bike, so I have my eyes on a local 
Schwinn High Sierra.  It has roller-cam brakes and I have know experience 
with those.  What is yawls experience with roller-cam breaks and due to the 
placement of the mounts on the frame, what other brakes may be compatible? 
 The mounts seem higher on the frame than cantilever mounts.  Would center 
or side-pull brakes work?  What other options do I have?  Thank you

Picture: https://imgur.com/0IqjRl1

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Re: [RBW] Bikes For Sale: Craigslist, ebay, etc. Fall 2022 edition

[James M]

There's a 52cm Clem H over on the Crust Trader 
- https://crustbikes.com/a/shopicial/topics/149752

On Monday, December 19, 2022 at 5:24:59 PM UTC-5 eliot...@gmail.com wrote:

> Really nice build Wolbis Slugstone? in Sausalito
>
> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/nby/bik/d/sausalito-rivendell-wolbis-susie-56/7570053337.html
>
> Heron in NC
> I’m not sure about their sizing since 54 is supposed to be 700c? But seems 
> like a good deal.
>
>
> https://winstonsalem.craigslist.org/bik/d/winston-salem-heron-touring-bicycle-54/7569279283.html
>
> On Wed, Dec 14, 2022 at 6:14 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:
>
>> I suppose there's someone out there who thinks an NOS Bleriot frameset is 
>> worth that kind of money. And bless their heart! 
>>
>> On Wednesday, December 14, 2022 at 5:24:16 PM UTC-8 J wrote:
>>
>>> From the ad
>>>
>>> New in box Rivendell Bleriot framesets in 55, 57 & 59cm sizes. 
>>> Ex QBP (Surly/Salsa/All-City) distributor with hard-to-find NOS stock to 
>>> sell. We bought these when they were available via QBP in MN and have been 
>>> sitting in dry storage for too long!
>>> Rivendell's first Taiwan-made frames IIRC and the same quality as their 
>>> current offerings.
>>> 59cm currently being held pending payment.
>>> Tange headset professionally fitted to the 59cm model for display. I'm 
>>> happy to leave as fitted or remove it if preferred. 
>>> These are located in Christchurch, NZ and I'm happy to ship worldwide at 
>>> buyers cost. Approx. international tracked delivery costs in NZ$
>>> Freight to :
>>> USA $707 NZD (approx. $467 USD),
>>> Canada $661 NZD (approx. $590 CAD)
>>> Japan $570 NZD (approx. ¥50,000)
>>> Most of Eastern Asia $570 NZD
>>> UK $661 NZD (approx. £350)
>>> Europe $661 NZD (approx. 410 EU)
>>> You're also welcome to get quotes and arrange you own delivery, 
>>> typically based on 0.1 m3 volume and 5kg shipping weight.
>>> Shipping is from Christchurch 8061, New Zealand
>>> Or maybe you know someone visiting NZ or in the US Antarctic Program (12 
>>> miles from where these are located) with some spare luggage capacity.
>>> Inquiries are welcome and I'm happy to schedule a WhatsApp or Signal 
>>> video link to verify authenticity. Also Luke Breen, owner of Perennial 
>>> Cycle in Minneapolis will vouch for me. 
>>> I'm open to offers that approximate the price of current equivalent 
>>> Rivendell framesets, i.e. $1750 USD ($2650 NZD)
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, December 14, 2022 at 4:21:59 PM UTC-5 Chris in NZ wrote:
>>>
 Pitching in on the Bleriots as a Kiwi:

 I can't see the FB listing, but I expect these to be the same frames 
 I've seen previously listed on another online trading platform here in NZ 
 at $1400NZD. If they're now listed at $1800, I'm inclined to believe this 
 is still in NZD, around $1000USD. 
 For shipping allow $500 these days.

 I would have bought the 55cm frame last year had I not been in the 
 final stages of ordering a Platypus frame and parts from Riv.. 

 On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 8:34:12 AM UTC+13 Joel S wrote:

> Thanks Tom.  He has adjusted for inflation and shipping will be a 
> killer.  The Bleriot is a great bike, I had one for years and I know 
> people 
> still want them, heck, I did not stop searching till I found a Saluki 
> ashen 
> sold my 55cm Bleriot.  If someone could get it for $1800 or so 
> shipped then good.  I bet shipping will be about $300 or more.  
>
> Sent from Proton Mail for iOS
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 14, 2022 at 1:46 PM, Tom Wyland  wrote:
>
> $1750 plus shipping from New Zealand.
>
> On Wed, Dec 14, 2022 at 1:32 PM 'JRStern11' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> Not on Face Book, what is the asking price? 
>>
>> Sent from Proton Mail for iOS
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 14, 2022 at 1:21 PM, Jared Wilson  
>> wrote:
>>
>> NOS Bleriot framesets in 55, 57, and 59 on the Facebook group 
>> "Rivendellicious"
>>
>> https://www.facebook.com/groups/19202914712
>>
>> Good luck!
>>
>> On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 5:53:07 AM UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Gus Boots Wilsen
>>> 57cm
>>> $2,000 
>>> Knoxville, TN
>>>
>>>
>>> https://knoxville.craigslist.org/bik/d/greenville-2022-rivendell-gus-boots/7557073606.html
>>>
>>> On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 9:54:29 AM UTC-5 Eric Marth wrote:
>>>
 [image: s-l1600.jpg]

 Heron F/F/HS
 59cm
 Glencoe, Missouri

 https://www.ebay.com/itm/225290552848

 [image: s-l1600-1.jpg]

 Emmet's Atlantis
 62cm
 $4,100
 Johnstown, Penna. 


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Re: [RBW] Re: NorCal Cycling

[James Warren]

When a Mason-Dixon line needs to be established in CA, it'll be called the
Safeway-Vons line.

Quiz: for any major north-south freeway or highway, what are the two cities
that straddle the Safeway-Vons line?

Related question: King City: which store do they have?

Related Cliff Claven Trivia: when I was a kid growing up in Los Angeles and
San Diego suburbs, Vons and Safeway were two different stores. In 1989 they
merged, and all of our Southern California Safeways got renamed Vons. So
many of our suburban shopping centers ended up with two Vons's as anchors
on either end when it used to be Safeway at one end and Vons at the other.

On Tue, Dec 20, 2022 at 3:06 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:

> On an entirely unrelated note, I mentioned on Twitter last week that I
> finally noticed the name, Safeway..why is it called that?? I'm informed
> that back in the olden times before FDA it was a promise of safe food. So
> there ya go.
>
> On Tuesday, December 20, 2022 at 3:03:35 PM UTC-8 campyo...@me.com wrote:
>
>> The San Francisco Randonneurs are notorious for using Safeways as
>> controls on their brevets. If you know the layout for a typical Safeway,
>> you can save a lot of time hunting for your favorite rest stop snacks when
>> you’re riding with SFR.
>>
>> --Eric N
>>
>> On Dec 20, 2022, at 2:59 PM, Piaw Na  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> This is hilarious. I'll pile on with my brother's story. He got rejected
>> by UC Berkeley and accepted by UCLA. Not to be deterred, he wrote an appeal
>> letter that stated: "Don't let me go to UCLA. After 4 years there I won't
>> know what a tree looks like." UC Berkeley reversed its denial and enrolled
>> him.
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 20, 2022 at 2:50 PM 'Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch <
>> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Southern California: Distance expressed in time (Anaheim is 45 minutes
>>> from here)
>>>
>>> Northern California: Distance expressed in miles (Folsom is 12 miles
>>> away)
>>>
>>> And yes, up here the cities have actual edges, where you’re out in the
>>> country on the way to the next city.
>>>
>>> --Eric N, Who Moved From SoCal to NorCal 25 years Ago and Has Never
>>> Looked Back
>>>
>>> On Dec 20, 2022, at 2:30 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>>
>>> The differentiation for me when I moved north in 1988 is there's spaces
>>> between towns in Northern California. If you grew up in LA/Orange Counties
>>> you understood towns as different signs on the same vast concrete
>>> landscape.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, December 20, 2022 at 2:13:42 PM UTC-8 Matthew Williams wrote:
>>>
 I thought the way you knew Northern from Southern California was if
 people named freeways with “The”:

 “This is the 101” = you’re in Southern California

 “This is 101” = you’re in Northern California

 “That was Highway 101” = you’re listening to a classic rock station



 On Tue, Dec 20, 2022 at 2:01 PM Philip Williamson <
 philip.w...@gmail.com> wrote:

> If you have a Safeway, you're in Northern California.
> If you've got a Vons, you're in SoCal.
>
> Philip
> Sonoma County, Calif (born in SF)
>
> On Tuesday, December 20, 2022 at 12:17:22 PM UTC-8 freefo...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
>> The Bay Area isn't Northern California says the guy from Humboldt
>> County. We have way less traffic and better air. 
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 15, 2022, 9:54 PM Luke Hendrickson <
>> phendr...@paulpath.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Dude living in San Francisco here: it’s pretty great 
>>>
>>> On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 2:26:54 PM UTC-8 George Schick
>>> wrote:
>>>
 At this time of the year I have to admit that I'm a bit jealous of
 cyclists who live in California, especially in the the NoCal area of 
 the
 "Frisco" bay.  Lately I've been leering enviously at YouTube videos 
 posted
 by "Henry Wildberry" where he and his riding companion(s) are cycling 
 up
 and down some excellent North Bay area hilly/mountainous paths and 
 roads
 equipped with little more than "fair weather" garments vs. what we 
 have to
 wear in the Midwest Winters. Makes me want to move there...but not 
 really.
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Short trip suggestions?

[James M]

I'm also totally open to going somewhere and doing day rides from a hotel 
or hostel.  I looked at an old thread someone had about visiting Riv HQ, 
Mt. Tam, Mt. Diablo, etc... which could be cool.

On Monday, December 19, 2022 at 4:25:35 PM UTC-5 James M wrote:

> Thanks, Robert!
>
> On Monday, December 19, 2022 at 4:16:32 PM UTC-5 Robert Tilley wrote:
>
>> The White Rim Road near Moab UT is a nice 3 day ride. Need to reserve 
>> sites in advance and bring water but it worth it. Some do it in a day but 3 
>> days is how we did it.
>>
>> Robert Tilley
>> San Diego, CA
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Dec 19, 2022, at 11:28 AM, James M  wrote:
>>
>> I'm laid up for 6 more weeks with a broken foot (technically a fractured 
>> fifth metatarsal), which has kept me from doing most of the things I enjoy 
>> and has just generally not been super fun.  So I'm trying to look forward 
>> to the spring and thinking about planning a bicycle trip somewhere new.  
>> I'm in northern NJ, but I'm up for driving, flying, whatever.  I would be 
>> thinking an extra-long weekend, maybe 4 days.  My favorite rides are taking 
>> my Hunqapillar out on rolling dirt roads, easy singletrack or doubletrack, 
>> but I'm also not pavement-averse.  
>>
>>
>> If you have any suggestions, I'd love to hear them, and start 
>> planning/dreaming for sunnier days!
>>
>> James
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Re: [RBW] Short trip suggestions?

[James M]

Thanks, Robert!

On Monday, December 19, 2022 at 4:16:32 PM UTC-5 Robert Tilley wrote:

> The White Rim Road near Moab UT is a nice 3 day ride. Need to reserve 
> sites in advance and bring water but it worth it. Some do it in a day but 3 
> days is how we did it.
>
> Robert Tilley
> San Diego, CA
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Dec 19, 2022, at 11:28 AM, James M  wrote:
>
> I'm laid up for 6 more weeks with a broken foot (technically a fractured 
> fifth metatarsal), which has kept me from doing most of the things I enjoy 
> and has just generally not been super fun.  So I'm trying to look forward 
> to the spring and thinking about planning a bicycle trip somewhere new.  
> I'm in northern NJ, but I'm up for driving, flying, whatever.  I would be 
> thinking an extra-long weekend, maybe 4 days.  My favorite rides are taking 
> my Hunqapillar out on rolling dirt roads, easy singletrack or doubletrack, 
> but I'm also not pavement-averse.  
>
>
> If you have any suggestions, I'd love to hear them, and start 
> planning/dreaming for sunnier days!
>
> James
>
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[RBW] Re: Short trip suggestions?

[James M]

Oh yes, thanks for the reminder!  I'll check those out!


On Monday, December 19, 2022 at 4:02:36 PM UTC-5 DavidP wrote:

> Hey James,
> Have you seen Bikepacking.com's map of routes 
> <https://bikepacking.com/bikepacking-routes/>? The two in VT seem to be 
> right up your alley, geared toward extra-long weekends with the terrain 
> you're looking for:
> Roundabout Brattleboro 
> <https://bikepacking.com/routes/roundabout-brattleboro/>
> Green Mountain Gravel Growler 
> <https://bikepacking.com/routes/green-mountain-gravel-growler/>
>
> There's a route in MD that could also be an option but it's more 
> singletrack (50%) than those in VT.
>
> -Dave
>
>
> On Monday, December 19, 2022 at 2:28:49 PM UTC-5 mcgr...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I'm laid up for 6 more weeks with a broken foot (technically a fractured 
>> fifth metatarsal), which has kept me from doing most of the things I enjoy 
>> and has just generally not been super fun.  So I'm trying to look forward 
>> to the spring and thinking about planning a bicycle trip somewhere new.  
>> I'm in northern NJ, but I'm up for driving, flying, whatever.  I would be 
>> thinking an extra-long weekend, maybe 4 days.  My favorite rides are taking 
>> my Hunqapillar out on rolling dirt roads, easy singletrack or doubletrack, 
>> but I'm also not pavement-averse.  
>>
>> If you have any suggestions, I'd love to hear them, and start 
>> planning/dreaming for sunnier days!
>>
>> James
>>
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[RBW] Short trip suggestions?

[James M]

I'm laid up for 6 more weeks with a broken foot (technically a fractured 
fifth metatarsal), which has kept me from doing most of the things I enjoy 
and has just generally not been super fun.  So I'm trying to look forward 
to the spring and thinking about planning a bicycle trip somewhere new.  
I'm in northern NJ, but I'm up for driving, flying, whatever.  I would be 
thinking an extra-long weekend, maybe 4 days.  My favorite rides are taking 
my Hunqapillar out on rolling dirt roads, easy singletrack or doubletrack, 
but I'm also not pavement-averse.  

If you have any suggestions, I'd love to hear them, and start 
planning/dreaming for sunnier days!

James

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[RBW] Re: For sale: Rivendell caps, Riv shirt, bandanas, wool sweaters

[James M]

Eric - sending you a PM

On Sunday, December 18, 2022 at 2:42:36 PM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hello people — I have some stuff that I'm just not wearing or using, 
> including classic Riv stuffs. Prices do not include shipping. PayPal 
> Friends & Family or Venmo work best for me. Please hit me for a shipping 
> quote. Thanks! 
>
>
> *[image: IMG_4242.JPG]*
> *Rivendell cycling cap — $10/OBO *
> Pretty beat. Classic Rivendell cap made by Pace in the US. The elastic was 
> recently replaced by Randi Jo. 
>
> [image: IMG_4251.JPG]
>
> *Rivendell by Randi Jo wool cap — $25 *
> Wool cap by Randi Jo Fabrications. Some wear and fading, some 
> discoloration to interior band. Sized large in Randi Jo sizing, size medium 
> in Riv sizing. 
>
>
>
> *[image: IMG_4216.JPG]Rivendell Peace Wheel tee — $15 *
> Size medium in ash grey. It's 19" from pit to pit and 27" overall. Not a 
> pocket tee, front has the Riv round RBW + stars logo in black on left side 
> of chest. 
>
> [image: IMG_4252.JPG]
>
> *Made in US Bandanas lot, nine total — $15 *
> These are all Hav-A-Hank bandanas from Rivendell. Two brown, two 
> terracotta/brick red, two olive, two gold, one plum. One of the gold ones 
> has some grease smears but they're all washed and ready for you. 
>
> [image: IMG_4217 2.JPG]
>
> *Patagonia tweed wool henley sweater — $10*
> Labeled a size medium, made in Hong Kong. It's a heavy tweed sweater with 
> a high collar and three buttons. It's dark grey with flecks of green, blue 
> and brown. It has several dime-sized holes on the front, two in the belly 
> area, one at the right shoulder. From pit to pit it's 22" and overall from 
> top of shoulder to bottom hem is 27". 
>
> [image: IMG_4228.JPG]
> [image: IMG_4170.JPG]
>
> *Cox Moore English wool sweater — $20*
> Beautiful burnt orange ribbed knit sweater, dark orange with flecks of 
> brown, yellow and orange. Made in England from Shetland wool. No issues, 
> cute label. Measures 22” from pit to pit. Overall from top of collar to 
> bottom hem is 25”.
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[RBW] Re: Bombadil and Hunqapillar origins: The definitive thread

[James M]

What are the differences between Hunqapillar generations?  I have a July 
2010 Waterford 62cm.  Right now it's got 2.1" Schwalbe Thunder Burts.  I 
think getting 2.2" tires on the back would be dicey.  Did the green 
generation of the frame have bigger clearance?  Longer wheelbase?

James

On Wednesday, December 14, 2022 at 7:26:45 PM UTC-5 Jason Fuller wrote:

> One more note that I didn't think of until I hit submit - the batch 
> differences that exist on Bombadils (and maybe Hunqapillars too) are more 
> significant than the difference between a Bombadil and a Hunq if you remove 
> the location of manufacture from the equation. 
>
> On Wednesday, 14 December 2022 at 16:24:22 UTC-8 Jason Fuller wrote:
>
>> Just catching this now, hey thanks for the shoutout Eric! And it means a 
>> lot that you said that about the forest photo! That was a special day, 
>> first ride on the rebuild after paint.
>>
>> I don't have nearly the historical knowledge that many here do, and a lot 
>> has already been said. But here are my summarized thoughts between the two 
>> anyway, beyond the obvious difference of location of manufacture. The 
>> Hunqapillar seems to me like a "v2" Bombadil - they increased tire 
>> clearance over the Bombadil from 2.1 to 2.4" on most sizes, they made 
>> little geometry tweaks but just a smidge here and there, and notably they 
>> made the frame more cost-effective by not only changing suppliers but by 
>> simplifying the design a bit. 
>>
>> To me they are still both "ATB" Rivendells, made to tackle trails loaded 
>> or not, and also be comfortable to ride on pavement as long as you're not 
>> in too much of a rush. When it comes to which is more coveted, it really 
>> comes down to whether the little superfluous (but beautiful) details on the 
>> Bombadil are important to you, and/or which paint job and geometry 
>> specifics suit you better. I think of them like the Appaloosa and Atlantis 
>> - basically two flavors of the same bike.   
>>
>>  
>>
>> On Sunday, 11 December 2022 at 07:16:08 UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> It seems the Bombadil and Hunqapillar frames are beloved. They're stout, 
>>> beautiful, and sometimes have intricate additional tubes and lugs. While 
>>> I've done a lot of reading about Rivendell I was a bit unclear on the 
>>> origins and intended uses of these frames. 
>>>
>>> I wanted to start a thread where we could share and dump info about 
>>> these bikes along with pictures of builds. 
>>>
>>> Joe and Jim were helpful in laying out a bit of background in another 
>>> thread 
>>> <https://groups.google.com/g/rbw-owners-bunch/c/mkxv02ciCM4/m/KqWZOIMQAwAJ>,
>>>  there's 
>>> some great info there. 
>>>
>>> The original Hunqapillar catalog is up here: 
>>> http://notfine.com/rivendell/Brochures/Rivendell%20Frames%20Hunqapillar.pdf
>>>
>>> The first mention I can find of the Bombadil is in RR 41, sometime in 
>>> 2009. Excerpted pages attached. As a few members might recall I am very 
>>> into raw frames with brass spilling out of the lugs! I know that many 
>>> Bombadil owners have had their frames repainted like Jason Fuller, whose 
>>> absolute stunner shows up here from time to time. By the way, the picture 
>>> below is one of my very favorite Rivendell images. 
>>>
>>> [image: Jason Bombadil green.jpg]
>>>
>>> There's also the butter-banana Bombadil that recently sold on eBay. I 
>>> believe that one was purchased by John Watson of the Radavist (and he's got 
>>> a Hunq) so we might see some nice pics of that bike sometime soon. 
>>>
>>> [image: s-l1600-2.jpg]
>>>
>>> And speaking of, here's John's Hunqapillar, more images and write-up 
>>> here <https://theradavist.com/rivendell-hunqapillar-review/>.
>>>
>>> [image: Johns-Rivendell-Hunqapillar-29er-Klunker-76.jpg] 
>>>
>>> Are both of these frame names borrowing from Tolkien? I understand RBW 
>>> had to stop using Tolkien names. 
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Bombadil and Hunqapillar origins: The definitive thread

[James M]

Whoa - the adjusters on those Breezer brake levers!

(Super interesting thread overall!)

On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 1:53:02 PM UTC-5 J J wrote:

> Echoing Shoji's message, I love the diagonal tubes on the Hunqs (and 
> Bombadils) that had them. 
>
> Thanks for mentioning Joe Breeze. Grant has spoken often of Breeze and the 
> original Breezer 1. I can't imagine it was not a design inspiration for the 
> Hunqapillar. 
>
> The Breezer 1 is in the Smithsonian Museum of American History. I attached 
> a photo and the build list of the original, which is a fantastically 
> interesting historical document. Check out the reinforced fork on that 
> thing!! The build list states that the weight as configured was 38 pounds. 
> It's from 1977, yet it still seems so familiar and current given how folks 
> outfit their Rivs.  
>
> You can find more info at the Smithsonian 
> .
>
> Jim
>
> On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 10:07:39 AM UTC-5 Shoji Takahashi wrote:
>
>> For me, the Hunqapillar diagatube was a visual draw-- I liked it better 
>> than the parallel-to-top-tube bar of the Bombadil.
>>
>> The diagatube reminds me of the original Joe Breeze mountain bike frame: 
>>
>> https://mmbhof.org/portfolio/first-fat-tire-bike-with-a-new-frame-and-all-new-parts/
>>
>> Additional tubes have been around for a long time in bicycle history, 
>> some for functional reasons and others for style. (E.g., google cargo bikes)
>>
>> shoji
>> arlington ma
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 9:49:05 AM UTC-5 Bill Schairer wrote:
>>
>>> I've also thought the diagonal tube to look odd except on the very 
>>> largest of frames for the very largest of riders.  They seem reminiscent of 
>>> the original Santana Sovereign tandems, where they seemed to make some 
>>> sense.  I remember Santana claiming the "marathon" style to be the stiffest 
>>> configuration for a tandem per all sorts of tests they performed.  Later, 
>>> it seems everyone, including Santana, shifted to a diagonal tube running to 
>>> the rear bottom bracket and, nowadays, most tandems have dispensed with the 
>>> diagonal tube.  It all leaves me wondering...
>>>
>>> In a quick search for some history on the "marathon" style I found this 
>>> on the Rodriguez site: "so this design kind of went the way of the Ford 
>>> Edsel in our shop."  I couldn't quickly find the origins of the style but 
>>> it seems the tandem industry abandoned the design long before Rivendell 
>>> applied it to singles.  It has always been a bit of a curiosity to me as, 
>>> even for a tandem, it is considered over-built these days.
>>>
>>> [image: loaded santana.jpg]
>>> 1980 Santana Sovereign.  I remember crossing paths with a couple 
>>> honeymooning on their Rodriguez tandem.  I can't remember if it was a 
>>> marathon.  I am now noticing that the additional Rivendell stays extend to 
>>> the rear dropouts rather than to the seat stays' mid section.
>>>
>>> Bill S
>>> San Diego
>>>
>>> On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 3:46:22 PM UTC-8 Garth wrote:
>>>
 The Bombadil(60 cm w/700c wheels, parallel TT) is the only frame I 
 really much paid attention to and bought, albeit from a list member in 
 2011. I'm pretty sure they were all customer choice paint jobs, save and 
 specials, returns, cancels and such.

 I recall also that the Bomba tubes were heat treated, not sure about 
 the Hunq but I'd be surprised if they were. Only GP knows what tubes cost 
 what. Plus the fancy lugs. I have no idea about the Hunqa frames lugs but 
 the Bombas sure are fancy, if that's you're thing. I don't ride a Riv for 
 the rep/status or the paint jobs or even the looks, I have two because 
 they 
 fit me well and they're steel. I'm outside the bounds of most every stock 
 Riv bike and yet those two worked(Susie is the other). That's about it. 
 I'm 
 all for Practicability. 

 While the Hunqapillar was touted as a Bomba replacement, it was only 
 that in category as the frame itself was totally different in dimensions 
 and sizes, not to mention the diagonal tube which still looks odd to me. 

>>>

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[RBW] Re: Nivex on a Rivendell?

[James M]

Pretty cool - but another $250 for the shift lever.  Still great to see 
components like this being made!

On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 10:57:26 AM UTC-5 Marty Gierke, 
Stewartstown PA wrote:

> The Nivex is on the market now, and I really like the look of it. Even at 
> $729.00 it feels like money well spent if you want something a little 
> different and appreciate all that goes into making something like this. 
> KUDOs to Jan for sticking with it. 
> Nivex Rear 
> 
> [image: Oregon-Outback-RH_Nivex-600x387.jpeg]
>
> For a custom Rivendell, it might make for a very sweet build. If my ship 
> comes in I'd be tempted to spring for one, but I'll hold out until I see 
> the new Riv rear derailer. 
>
> Marty
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: lot nitto rack struts, p clamps

[James M]

No need for so many here, but love this! And that Wald ashtray 

On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 11:16:05 PM UTC-5 mma...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hello, I have a lot of nitto rack struts with p clamps I'd like to sell. 
> Some of the clamps are missing rubber, some have hardware. What you see is 
> what you get. Asking $100.00 shipped in the CONUS for the lot, or hit me 
> with an offer if pricing is off. Thanks for looking!
> Lengths as follows; ~115mm 145mm 183mm 250mm 350mm
>
> [image: 52552134714_37a3c21aec_k.jpg]
>
> [image: 52551843281_a7ab7f207e_k.jpg]
>

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[RBW] The Bombadil on Ebay

[James]

I'm so curious who bought the beautiful Bombadil that was on ebay 
recently.  The frame only, in a beautiful yellow, with the lng diagonal 
tube.I've never seen one like it and I think if I ever get my appaloosa 
custom painted I will go with a bright yellow

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