Re: [RBW] Re: 2020 miles in 2020

[kim young]

shout out to your strength Leah. And I’m sorry.
W. Hopes for many more healing and joyous miles for you and the platypus.
I hope it gets there soon  


On Mon, Oct 12, 2020 at 5:26 AM aeroperf  wrote:

>
> Congrats on upping your mileage and reaching your goals early, Leah.
>
> It will be interesting to see how everybody came out with 2020.
>
> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/rbw-owners-bunch/2020$20goals%7Csort:date/rbw-owners-bunch/EL86zshgWxY/18bm7vz_BQAJ
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> I’m on track for 1271 miles - 100 miles per month plus my age.  I didn’t
> get to bike the Canal du Midi, but, hey, next year.
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Re: [RBW] Platypus: First Look

[kim young]

That’s is so great!  He looks like a proud obstetrician in that picture.

On Tue, Sep 29, 2020 at 3:46 PM Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
jonasandle...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Friends,
>
> It’s tough out there, isn’t it. Could we use a little joy? Would you
> qualify a sneak peak at a new Rivendell bike model as a joy-bringer? If
> not, stop right here
>
> Are you still with me? Get ready to be delighted! I have wanted a new
> Rivendell mixte ever since the rumored Anniversary Mixte of 2018. Will -
> who has had too many emails from me about the Anniversary Mixte, which
> became the Fancy Cheviot, and ultimately evolved into the Platypus - sent
> me an email. And in that email was the most remarkable photo...
>
> It’s Grant, with my new Platypus in his arms. Everything about this photo
> is so endearing. The way Grant is proudly presenting the bike, this
> long-awaited fancy mixte, named after his favorite animal. The way his eyes
> are covered so you can’t read the pride in them but you can see in his
> outstretched arms how he hopes you are pleased with his masterpiece. It’s
> too much for me. I’m overcome. It is likely to go on my wall...the photo,
> not the bike.
>
> No, the bike will be ridden half to death. I won’t be precious about it,
> but I will dress it up fancy. Analog is doing another one of their famous
> colorful wheelsets and dyno systems for me, and the accent colors we chose
> are rose and teal. (If you only have 2 bikes, you get to splurge on the
> builds. See photo for wheel/dyno selection.) Rivendell will do the rest of
> the build, and I am really looking forward to this because I haven’t ever
> chosen the parts for a complete bike build before. My last *new* Rivendell
> was the 2012 Betty Foy, and I didn’t know a thing about bikes then, so I
> just requested Keven choose everything. In 2020, I know just enough to have
> an opinion and I’m really looking forward to Will’s phone call about the
> parts this week.
>
> The mixtes are the best bikes Rivendell makes, and they have outdone
> themselves with this beauty. It’s regal, like a ballroom gown, and made
> better because it’s not just a pretty face. It may appear as a
> contradiction, because it is exquisite, yes, but not at the expense of
> function. It is smart. Capable. Beautiful. Useful. This is the DNA of a
> “joy-bringer.”
>
> I hope this beautiful bike brightens your day a little bit, and stokes
> your excitement for Grant’s upcoming, long-awaited and much-celebrated
> Rivendell mixte. I wish you all a Platypus this November!
>
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Re: [RBW] Trade carcase of 2003 Curt Goodrich Riv Road 26" wheel custom for Monocog 29er or ilk.

[kim young]

Sorry Patrick.
(it js in fact a small frame and not a medium.)
Hopefully someone else in here has a medium!

On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 12:34 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> Many thanks, Kim.
>
> On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 1:30 PM kim young  wrote:
>
>> It’s a tank alright - I loved it tho.
>> It will be happy for a new chance in beautiful NM.
>> Let me fish it out and send you photos.
>> you can see if it’s what you need
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 12:21 PM Patrick Moore 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Kim: Do I understand correctly that you are offering frame + wheels for
>>> postage? I am indeed interested, and will happily make a donation to Bicas.
>>> Thanks very much.
>>>
>>> What is the size? And yes, please, do send photos.
>>>
>>> I really enjoyed my ~2010 Monocg 29er. I had been playing around with an
>>> also very nice (in fact, top model for its time) Diamond Back Axis Team
>>> ("quad butted"!) with elegantly svelte straight-leg fork and very '90s
>>> smoke fade paint. I'd built it up as a sort of 26" Fargo with 2X9 friction
>>> drivtrain (and TA Pro 5 Vis crank on custom Phil 145 mm spindle!) and full
>>> fenders and rack, then converted it with ENO hub first to mid-60s fixed
>>> gear with Big Apples for all-rounder type riding; very nice bike. But I
>>> wanted to try a 29er, so bought the Monocog and modified it with Salsa Bell
>>> Lap bar and 42 X 19 for a 64" gear for combination pavement/local flat but
>>> sandy bosque trail riding. I do miss it, even though it was a tank.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 1:00 PM kim young  wrote:
>>>
>>>> It’s just the frame and wheels. And maybe seat post. I have to go check.
>>>> I don’t need your bike tho. I have way too many !
>>>> I was going to give these frames to my old non-profit (bicas).  you
>>>> could just slide them some donation. And have it for the shipping - (but
>>>> then you’d still have to build it.)
>>>>  NO pressure - if you are still wanting pics lmk
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 11:53 AM Patrick Moore 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Kim: I'm interested; thanks for replying. I'd expect to trade the
>>>>> frameset + bits for a complete, rideable Monocog 29er (my ~2010 Monocog
>>>>> 29er cost about $500 new in 2010), each party paying own shipping.
>>>>>
>>>>> What size is your M 29er? Condition? I would indeed like to see photos.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks, Patrick
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 12:47 PM kim young 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Patrick.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I used to be way into single speeds until I moved up into the higher
>>>>>> elevation. I have a monocog frame and also a rig. And an old Fisher I 
>>>>>> SS’d
>>>>>> (but it still has a suspension fork you’d have to change out.)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> if you are interested in any of them, I can send you pics and
>>>>>> measurements.
>>>>>> dm me :
>>>>>> kimyoung99@gmail
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 11:31 AM Patrick Moore 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ilks particularly welcome. I like ilks.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You get a much modified Riv custom that will take 32s with fenders
>>>>>>> (tight, but doable) plus a second, Chauncey fork with canti bosses that
>>>>>>> will take a 42 but not with a fender (and that with lightly longer legs
>>>>>>> will affect the handling a wee bit, but this bike handles a bit quicker
>>>>>>> than say a Ram while retaining the ineffable seamlessness in transition
>>>>>>> between straight and turn), and a rear triangle that will just clear a 
>>>>>>> 42
>>>>>>> under the bridges if you don't install the caliper brake the frame was
>>>>>>> designed for. The bike has custom-built rear rack (odd single strut 
>>>>>>> mount
>>>>>>> to bolt brazed onto s stay bridge but very sturdy) and front lowriders 
>>>>>>>

Re: [RBW] Trade carcase of 2003 Curt Goodrich Riv Road 26" wheel custom for Monocog 29er or ilk.

[kim young]

It’s a tank alright - I loved it tho.
It will be happy for a new chance in beautiful NM.
Let me fish it out and send you photos.
you can see if it’s what you need



On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 12:21 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> Kim: Do I understand correctly that you are offering frame + wheels for
> postage? I am indeed interested, and will happily make a donation to Bicas.
> Thanks very much.
>
> What is the size? And yes, please, do send photos.
>
> I really enjoyed my ~2010 Monocg 29er. I had been playing around with an
> also very nice (in fact, top model for its time) Diamond Back Axis Team
> ("quad butted"!) with elegantly svelte straight-leg fork and very '90s
> smoke fade paint. I'd built it up as a sort of 26" Fargo with 2X9 friction
> drivtrain (and TA Pro 5 Vis crank on custom Phil 145 mm spindle!) and full
> fenders and rack, then converted it with ENO hub first to mid-60s fixed
> gear with Big Apples for all-rounder type riding; very nice bike. But I
> wanted to try a 29er, so bought the Monocog and modified it with Salsa Bell
> Lap bar and 42 X 19 for a 64" gear for combination pavement/local flat but
> sandy bosque trail riding. I do miss it, even though it was a tank.
>
> On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 1:00 PM kim young  wrote:
>
>> It’s just the frame and wheels. And maybe seat post. I have to go check.
>> I don’t need your bike tho. I have way too many !
>> I was going to give these frames to my old non-profit (bicas).  you could
>> just slide them some donation. And have it for the shipping - (but then
>> you’d still have to build it.)
>>  NO pressure - if you are still wanting pics lmk
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 11:53 AM Patrick Moore 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Kim: I'm interested; thanks for replying. I'd expect to trade the
>>> frameset + bits for a complete, rideable Monocog 29er (my ~2010 Monocog
>>> 29er cost about $500 new in 2010), each party paying own shipping.
>>>
>>> What size is your M 29er? Condition? I would indeed like to see photos.
>>>
>>> Thanks, Patrick
>>>
>>> On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 12:47 PM kim young  wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi Patrick.
>>>>
>>>> I used to be way into single speeds until I moved up into the higher
>>>> elevation. I have a monocog frame and also a rig. And an old Fisher I SS’d
>>>> (but it still has a suspension fork you’d have to change out.)
>>>>
>>>> if you are interested in any of them, I can send you pics and
>>>> measurements.
>>>> dm me :
>>>> kimyoung99@gmail
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 11:31 AM Patrick Moore 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Ilks particularly welcome. I like ilks.
>>>>>
>>>>> You get a much modified Riv custom that will take 32s with fenders
>>>>> (tight, but doable) plus a second, Chauncey fork with canti bosses that
>>>>> will take a 42 but not with a fender (and that with lightly longer legs
>>>>> will affect the handling a wee bit, but this bike handles a bit quicker
>>>>> than say a Ram while retaining the ineffable seamlessness in transition
>>>>> between straight and turn), and a rear triangle that will just clear a 42
>>>>> under the bridges if you don't install the caliper brake the frame was
>>>>> designed for. The bike has custom-built rear rack (odd single strut mount
>>>>> to bolt brazed onto s stay bridge but very sturdy) and front lowriders and
>>>>> rather crude but effective internal/loop wire routing from hub to headlamp
>>>>> (mounts on front fender/lowrider brace) and to rack-mounted tail lamp.
>>>>> Lamps not included, void where prohibited by law, consult your physician 
>>>>> if
>>>>> you experience any of these symptoms.
>>>>>
>>>>> You also get the currently installed pair of 50 mm VO "hammered"
>>>>> fenders and a pair of new, never-mounted Berthoud stainless steel 45 mm
>>>>> fenders.
>>>>>
>>>>> Looong, more-than-1010-long rear dropouts that have had 1/4" cut from
>>>>> bottom front to ease wheel installation and removal, cuts primered. Frame
>>>>> no longer has Joe Bell job, just a nice powdercoat.
>>>>>
>>>>> I seek a single speed mountain bike with a top tube close enough to my
>>>>> road bike 56-to-57 effective c-c length that I can install a drop bar.
>>>>> Ri

Re: [RBW] Trade carcase of 2003 Curt Goodrich Riv Road 26" wheel custom for Monocog 29er or ilk.

[kim young]

It’s just the frame and wheels. And maybe seat post. I have to go check.
I don’t need your bike tho. I have way too many !
I was going to give these frames to my old non-profit (bicas).  you could
just slide them some donation. And have it for the shipping - (but then
you’d still have to build it.)
 NO pressure - if you are still wanting pics lmk


On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 11:53 AM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> Kim: I'm interested; thanks for replying. I'd expect to trade the
> frameset + bits for a complete, rideable Monocog 29er (my ~2010 Monocog
> 29er cost about $500 new in 2010), each party paying own shipping.
>
> What size is your M 29er? Condition? I would indeed like to see photos.
>
> Thanks, Patrick
>
> On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 12:47 PM kim young  wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi Patrick.
>>
>> I used to be way into single speeds until I moved up into the higher
>> elevation. I have a monocog frame and also a rig. And an old Fisher I SS’d
>> (but it still has a suspension fork you’d have to change out.)
>>
>> if you are interested in any of them, I can send you pics and
>> measurements.
>> dm me :
>> kimyoung99@gmail
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 11:31 AM Patrick Moore 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Ilks particularly welcome. I like ilks.
>>>
>>> You get a much modified Riv custom that will take 32s with fenders
>>> (tight, but doable) plus a second, Chauncey fork with canti bosses that
>>> will take a 42 but not with a fender (and that with lightly longer legs
>>> will affect the handling a wee bit, but this bike handles a bit quicker
>>> than say a Ram while retaining the ineffable seamlessness in transition
>>> between straight and turn), and a rear triangle that will just clear a 42
>>> under the bridges if you don't install the caliper brake the frame was
>>> designed for. The bike has custom-built rear rack (odd single strut mount
>>> to bolt brazed onto s stay bridge but very sturdy) and front lowriders and
>>> rather crude but effective internal/loop wire routing from hub to headlamp
>>> (mounts on front fender/lowrider brace) and to rack-mounted tail lamp.
>>> Lamps not included, void where prohibited by law, consult your physician if
>>> you experience any of these symptoms.
>>>
>>> You also get the currently installed pair of 50 mm VO "hammered" fenders
>>> and a pair of new, never-mounted Berthoud stainless steel 45 mm fenders.
>>>
>>> Looong, more-than-1010-long rear dropouts that have had 1/4" cut from
>>> bottom front to ease wheel installation and removal, cuts primered. Frame
>>> no longer has Joe Bell job, just a nice powdercoat.
>>>
>>> I seek a single speed mountain bike with a top tube close enough to my
>>> road bike 56-to-57 effective c-c length that I can install a drop bar.
>>> Rigid 26ers considered if you have ss-ified the rear wheel. A Medium
>>> Monocog 29er would be the cat's pyjamas. I have fevered dreams of
>>> installing a 52 t crank to drive a 17 t cog on that S3X hub for 89/67/57 or
>>> so, or maybe not.
>>>
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Trade carcase of 2003 Curt Goodrich Riv Road 26" wheel custom for Monocog 29er or ilk.

[kim young]

Hi Patrick.

I used to be way into single speeds until I moved up into the higher
elevation. I have a monocog frame and also a rig. And an old Fisher I SS’d
(but it still has a suspension fork you’d have to change out.)

if you are interested in any of them, I can send you pics and measurements.
dm me :
kimyoung99@gmail


On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 11:31 AM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> Ilks particularly welcome. I like ilks.
>
> You get a much modified Riv custom that will take 32s with fenders (tight,
> but doable) plus a second, Chauncey fork with canti bosses that will take a
> 42 but not with a fender (and that with lightly longer legs will affect the
> handling a wee bit, but this bike handles a bit quicker than say a Ram
> while retaining the ineffable seamlessness in transition between straight
> and turn), and a rear triangle that will just clear a 42 under the bridges
> if you don't install the caliper brake the frame was designed for. The bike
> has custom-built rear rack (odd single strut mount to bolt brazed onto s
> stay bridge but very sturdy) and front lowriders and rather crude but
> effective internal/loop wire routing from hub to headlamp (mounts on front
> fender/lowrider brace) and to rack-mounted tail lamp. Lamps not included,
> void where prohibited by law, consult your physician if you experience any
> of these symptoms.
>
> You also get the currently installed pair of 50 mm VO "hammered" fenders
> and a pair of new, never-mounted Berthoud stainless steel 45 mm fenders.
>
> Looong, more-than-1010-long rear dropouts that have had 1/4" cut from
> bottom front to ease wheel installation and removal, cuts primered. Frame
> no longer has Joe Bell job, just a nice powdercoat.
>
> I seek a single speed mountain bike with a top tube close enough to my
> road bike 56-to-57 effective c-c length that I can install a drop bar.
> Rigid 26ers considered if you have ss-ified the rear wheel. A Medium
> Monocog 29er would be the cat's pyjamas. I have fevered dreams of
> installing a 52 t crank to drive a 17 t cog on that S3X hub for 89/67/57 or
> so, or maybe not.
>
>
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Re: [RBW] It's a Bombadil

[kim young]

  Slightly shorter version of your custom - sounds perfect. What a score.


On Thu, Sep 24, 2020 at 4:55 PM Joseph Bernard  wrote:

>
> On Thu, Sep 24, 2020, 4:52 PM Joseph Bernard  wrote:
>
>> I rode it, the verdict is in, it's a great bike! I can't give any
>> specifics of ride quality because it just feels like a Riv to me: stable
>> yet turns on a dime, kinds floaty and zingy. Honestly it feels like a
>> slightly shorter version of my custom, which makes sense because the
>> built-for-me frame was spec'd pretty close to the Bombadil's mission.
>>
>> Even the riding position is nailed right off the bat, which I find
>> hilarious. I plopped the bars and stem I had in there and set the saddle
>> height and it's perfect!
>>
>> Here's a couple of sunny pics so you can see the raw metal better. Check
>> out that gusset under the downtube, I don't think any other Riv came with
>> it.
>>
>> Joe Bernard
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 24, 2020, 4:21 AM Roberta  wrote:
>>
>>> Andrew,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Zane looked like he’s having a great time. He’s adorable!  What
>>> handlebars are on this bike?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Joe,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I’m looking forward to to hearing of your ride.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Roberta
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [RBW] It's a Bombadil

[kim young]

Oh sry that was confusing.  not for me
(I was just excited about yours. Dude It’s the best !).
So I had made a short list of scavenger hunt projects for my nieces and
‘find a bombadil’ was one of their tasks. I gave them a final hint to check
my inbox and  bonus !!
Thx for posting
 :)


On Tue, Sep 22, 2020 at 9:40 PM Joseph Bernard  wrote:

> Indeed, I had them around and thought the gold would brighten up the
> raw-finish frame a bit.
>
> Kim and Joel, thanks!
>
> Kim, why are you looking for Bombadils?
>
> On Tue, Sep 22, 2020, 9:27 PM Mike Godwin  wrote:
>
>> Wow nice. Skewered with Paul's? Nice bit of color.
>>
>> Mike SLO CA
>>
>> On Tuesday, September 22, 2020 at 7:33:08 PM UTC-7, Joel wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Beautiful bike Joe.  Enjoy it.
>>> On Tuesday, September 22, 2020 at 10:25:25 PM UTC-4 Flowerfang wrote:
>>>
 My nieces are visiting and started driving me kinda nuts. So I bribed
 them to watch for bombadils in my feed. They don’t really know what that
 is, so overhearing their discussion was interesting.
 Anyways, they just came running out with the urgent news!
 Lol
 that frame alone is pretty amazing to begin with, but with those
 pristine components- It’s truly one of a kind. so inspired!
 



 On Tue, Sep 22, 2020 at 6:48 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:

> I finally finished it! Its a 52cm Toyo, early parallel-tube version
> (the one I like). No paint, which was an interesting experience for a
> notorious paint panicker as I was working. I can't scratch it! 
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Re: [RBW] It's a Bombadil

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My nieces are visiting and started driving me kinda nuts. So I bribed them
to watch for bombadils in my feed. They don’t really know what that is, so
overhearing their discussion was interesting.
Anyways, they just came running out with the urgent news!
Lol
that frame alone is pretty amazing to begin with, but with those pristine
components- It’s truly one of a kind. so inspired!




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Re: [RBW] Re: Bluelug/Nitto Losco Bar

[kim young]

I can hardly wait !


On Mon, Sep 21, 2020 at 5:49 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:

> Hi Roberta and Kim the Flowerfang!
>
> Yeah I've been draggin` hard the last 6 weeks or so. First the smoke then
> I tweaked my back lifting this way when I should have lifted that way..it’s
> been one damn thing after another this year! But I'm on the mend and my
> oomph should be back soon. I gotta finish this bike!
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> On Monday, September 21, 2020 at 2:23:07 PM UTC-7 Roberta wrote:
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>> Garth and Joe,
>>
>> Thanks for confirming that the rise is less than the Albatross.  Not
>> exactly what I wanted to hear. But perhaps the bike  has a taller headtube
>> that would make up for this.  Or, get one of those super-duper tall stem
>> that BBDD loves on her Clem L.  But, I understand they are sold out
>> everywhere.
>>
>> Joe, are you OK?  This doesn't sound like you:  ..."Bombadil which will
>> apparently never be completed..my bike building skills have lost their
>> oomph!"  Perhaps it's just the bad air?
>>
>> Roberta
>>
>> On Sunday, September 20, 2020 at 6:36:12 PM UTC-4 Garth wrote:
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>>>
>>> Roberta, from what can tell in the write up and photos between Riv and
>>> BL websites, it is indeed a Bosco bar shape but with much less rise.
>>> Judging from the side views it's less rise than an Alba, about the same
>>> rise as a Billie, give or take 5mm. Whatever you can fit onto a Bosco bar
>>> would apply to the Losco.  If whatbars.com showed them they ought to
>>> appear the same shape as the images are only from above.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sunday, September 20, 2020 at 3:47:50 PM UTC-4, Roberta wrote:


 Does

 anyone have rise information, especially on how it compares to the

 Albatross?These bars aren't published on the excellent site
 whatbars.com .  Rise for Bosco is 100, for the Albas at 50 on the site.

 I'm

 thinking about these for my Platypus.  These look like there's more

 room for bell, shifter, brakes in front of grips than the Albas.  It

 might even be better because it comes back a little more and I'm

 expecting the Platypus to be long in the middle.

 Thanks,
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Re: [RBW] Recommendation for a modern mountain bike?

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Hi Michael,

Analog has a write-up on the Unit. (And what a great price!) They are
always worth a browse - they have so many great bikes and ideas and
randomly edifying things about the Melvin’s, etc

I’ve got the surly ecr. It can tackle anything and is very comfortable- but
it is such a tank. If I have to carry it over a stream or a log or
whatever,  it feels like heaving a boat anchor.

Jeff Jones bikes seem so interesting.
I’m curious to try one of those.

And Cjel Mone is building some gorgeously impressive frames out of his
bread truck. I think (?) he is in the old post office in Silver City now.


from kim

On Mon, Sep 21, 2020 at 11:54 AM Michael Morrissey <
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> Hi everyone,
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> I'm thinking about buying myself a new mountain bike, to complement my
> Rivendell and my vintage mtb commuter that is as old as I am. I was
> wondering what people on here might recommend. I want to spend between $700
> and $1700. I want to be able to bunny-hop, hit trails, drop it in the
> creek, go mud-bogging. I want a bike I can abuse without regret. I have
> taken my Rivendell on trails, but I want to ride more aggressively. I am 6
> feet tall, 210 lbs. 86cm PBH.
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> I'd like a steel hardtail, but I'd consider aluminum too I suppose. I was
> thinking something like a Kona Unit X, a Kona Fire Mountain, a Surly
> Wednesday. The Salsa Rangefinder looks good. Has anyone ridden one?
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> I bought new, and a Spot single speed, which I built up from parts but was
> a little small for me.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Bluelug/Nitto Losco Bar

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lost your ooomph? Oh my goodness JOE. are you sandbagging ?
I don't get a complete picture, had to zoom way in on those pics.
But your bombadil!!
 It's like wall-e and EVE
i so love it.  bravo!!



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> I have these on my Bombadil which will apparently never be completed..my
> bike building skills have lost their oomph! These truly terrible
> indoor-at-night pics should give you some sense of rise, reach and room for
> stuff. My tape measure shows me about 2.5cm rise or half of an Alba. That's
> with a slight drop from the clamp, too, these bars sit pretty low if you
> don't put them on a way-tall stem like I did.
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> On Sunday, September 20, 2020 at 12:47:50 PM UTC-7 Roberta wrote:
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>> (I deleted last post because of a typo in a link, rendering the link
>> useless.  This is the corrected version.)
>>
>> Does anyone have rise information, especially on how it compares to the
>> Albatross?These bars aren't published on the excellent site
>> whatbars.com .  Rise for Bosco is 100, for the Albas at 50 on the site.
>>
>> I'm thinking about these for my Platypus.  These look like there's more
>> room for bell, shifter, brakes in front of grips than the Albas.  It might
>> even be better because it comes back a little more and I'm expecting the
>> Platypus to be long in the middle.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Roberta
>>
>> On Tuesday, February 4, 2020 at 12:37:14 PM UTC-5, Eric Grim wrote:
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>>> Neat looking bar.  I've transitioned from the Mustache, to the
 Albastache, and now my *San Marcos* wears Albatross bars, all in order
 to get a wider straight section in the front for hand comfort in a forward
 position.  (Always upside down, 'cause I like the classic "path racer"
 look.)  The Losco looks like it has an even wider straight section than the
 Albatross, and only a little rise/fall.  Tempting to try them sometime,
 when I have a few extra bucks (might have to economise on something to find
 room in the budget).  Still trying to find the magic combination of
 varieties of hand position, stem extension, and bar tilt to stave off hand
 numbness.

>>> Limper Grim, Spokane
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Re: [RBW] Your lockable commuter thread

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Yeah! Really love those ratt fenders, too.



On Sun, Sep 13, 2020 at 6:31 PM Jason Fuller  wrote:

> Steven - I adore your bike with the heavily patina'd fenders. That's
> really the spirit of this thread.
> Lucky - I know that feeling. Heck, that's me with my '71 Raleigh folding
> bike. I use it almost exclusively for locking up where I don't feel
> comfortable locking any other bike up, yet I am highly attached to it. Go
> figure.
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> Patrick - I can't claim to be an expert on this but my understanding is
> that both '92 and '93 XO-2 are canti, only the '93 is lugged though and
> mine is TIG.  The '92 XO-1 is caliper though.  I do think this '92 XO-2 is
> a bargain though since it has the tire clearance and brakes that separate
> the '93 XO-1 from the '92 model!  All it's missing is the lighter gauge
> tubing, but it's no pig either. The geometry is beckoning for drops, so I'm
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Re: [RBW] Re: Susie 53 - 56 Sizing Help Please!

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Thanks for putting up all the info David.
Your bike sounds cool!

On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 12:48 AM 'Hetchins52' via RBW Owners Bunch <
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> Here's a picture of some cheap Shimano V-brakes (also 108 mm-ish) on the
> rear of my 53cm Susie. Using Schwalbe G-One AllRound 650 x 70 (2.80") on
> Atlas rims. Very close (~5mm) to the noodle's dirt boot; About 18 mm
> clearance to the seat stay bridge of the frame.
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> The front is using Avid "Ultimate" cantilevers so no clearance issue for
> the straddle cable but maybe 9 mm to the bottom of the fork crown. I tried
> the 70 mm AllRound on Atlas rims but had about 3.5 mm clearance and decided
> against using it. The second picture shows a 650 x 60 mm Schwalbe G-One
> Speed.
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> Vince at Rivendell wrote this last month:
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> *"I think part of the issue is the Atlas rims. The brake posts on the
> Hillibikes are set wider apart than usual and require a rim that's 30mm or
> more wide."*
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> *"I just checked a 650B Susie with a Cliffhanger rim and the same G-One
> you have. The vertical clearance is 6mm. We haven't had any trouble with
> the demo bikes."*
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> Berkeley
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>> Does seems pretty tight with the 11Os - even tho those arms are so long
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Re: [RBW] Re: Good wishes for those on list affected by CA wildfires

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I feel that Leah. 
It’s been heartbreaking.
I hope this cooler weather will help-  those dear firefighters must be so
exhausted.


On Wed, Sep 9, 2020 at 11:34 AM Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
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> Hello All, I’ve been seeing the photos that Rivendell has been posting of
> the land during the fires and the best word to describe it was
> Will’s...which was “hellscape.”
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> a lot to take. How is everyone? Are you guys all safe out there? How’s your
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Re: [RBW] Re: Susie 53 - 56 Sizing Help Please!

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Straight up in the air- from center of front axle . if there was an
imaginary line to top of headset cup- connects at about 58mm.
(But measuring up the fork angle to the cup,  is about 55.)

>From center of seat tube - just above the seat stay, to center of head tube
is about 62.5.


On Wed, Sep 9, 2020 at 3:00 AM ☆ Paul ☆  wrote:

> Hello David and Kim,
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> Thanks for your notes, and for the picture and measurements.
>
> If one of you could do the following measurement for me, I'd be extremely
> grateful:
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>- Could you please measure from the center of the front wheel axel a
>in straight line to the top of the headset (but not spacers).
>- Also could you please measure from the top of the seat tube
>(ignoring the little part that pokes out) parallel to the ground to where
>your tape measure hits the center of the head tube or stem? Measure from
>center of seat tube to center of head tube, if that makes sense. Someone
>else emailed me directly and is doing the same for a 56 for me. I'll post
>the results for everyone to see, if it's of use!
>
>
> That’s probably all I need. Thank you
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> On Wednesday, September 9, 2020 at 2:41:23 AM UTC-4 Hetchins52 wrote:
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>> Paul,
>>
>>
>> Still finishing up my 53 Susie but it’s done enough to give you some
>> measurements of head tube versus seat tube heights:
>>
>>
>> The head tube itself is 23 cm long but I don’t have a Clem L for
>> comparison. (It is 7 cm longer than the head tube of my 51 Appaloosa.)
>>
>>
>> Measuring from the top of the headset’s locknut to the ground is 95 cm.
>>
>>
>> I’ve installed a 10 cm Nitto DirtDrop stem and, at close to max
>> extension, that puts the bar center at about 110 cm from the ground.
>>
>>
>> Measuring from the top of the seat cluster lug (ignoring the pointy bit)
>> to the ground is 81 cm.
>>
>>
>> With the saddle at 73 cm extension from the bottom bracket center, saddle
>> center is 99 cm to the floor.
>>
>>
>> I'm 5' 8 ½" and my PBH is about 83 cm.
>>
>>
>> [Measurements are approximate….]
>>
>>
>> I’ll take it outside and take a picture tomorrow.
>>
>> David Lipsky
>> Berkeley, CA
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>> On Tuesday, September 8, 2020 at 5:04:05 PM UTC-7, ☆ Paul ☆ wrote:
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Re: [RBW] Re: Delight us with your 2020 Clems!

[kim young]

You are so great Roberta.
Just saying
:)


On Thu, Sep 3, 2020 at 7:04 PM Roberta  wrote:

> This is such a wonderful thread because the bikes are beautiful and I can
> hear everyone's excitement.
>
> Eric, my mini triangle covered up a light, so I just cut a hole in the
> mesh and now the light shines thru and I still have my triangle.  Perhaps
> your flying man is under the mesh part of the triangle?
>
> Roberta
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> On Thursday, September 3, 2020 at 5:03:35 PM UTC-4, EricP wrote:
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>> After a couple of days hemming and hawing, decided to go back to the
>> saddlebag rack I initially tried. Nothing wrong with the Pletscher, just
>> wanted something different. So, this is pretty close to final. Unless I
>> change up saddles again. Only differences from earlier are a Cygolite
>> headlight on a Gino Mount, , Cygolite tail light, Brooks Cambium C17, mini
>> reflective triangle, and Sackville hub shiner. Only bummer is the
>> reflective triangle covers up the Rivendell flying man patch on the
>> external pouch.
>>
>> Still might add a bell. And down the line may swap out the trigger
>> shifter to something else. Oh, and different tires. But that's for next
>> year. No rush now. Want to just ride the bike. And enjoy.
>>
>> Eric Platt
>> St. Paul, MN
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>>
>> On Thursday, September 3, 2020 at 9:00:47 AM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding
>> Ding! wrote:
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>>> Clems built in 2020 totally count, Mark and David. I have a 2019 Clem,
>>> too, so I’m especially sympathetic.  I mostly specified so we can see the
>>> latest iteration of Clem, but I think the 2019 model is nearly identical to
>>> the 2020.
>>>
>>> Carry on!
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>> On Sep 3, 2020, at 6:10 AM, David Carner  wrote:
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>>> 
>>>
>>> I guess I am guilty of the same faux pas. My heavy duty build was not
>>> completed until well into 2020, but the frame is from the 2019 batch.
>>> Apologies,
>>> David
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, September 2, 2020 at 9:17:17 PM UTC-5 Mark Roland wrote:
>>>
>>>> Another oops. I colored outside the lines! It only now dawns on me that
>>>> you were soliciting Clems from the latest batch, which of course makes
>>>> sense. And there I go on about my old outdated 2019. But I didn't build it
>>>> until well into 2020. And nobody had responded, so I suppose I can be
>>>> credited with getting the ball rolling. I will pay more attention next
>>>> time. Lots of nice new Clems out there!
>>>>
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>>>> Ding! wrote:
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>>>>>  The Clementine (that’s what I call my 2019 Clem L)
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Re: [RBW] Re: While we wait for our Platypus Bikes...

[kim young]

I think joe posted the initial preview of it.  Search the list under new
Cheviot, or maybe fancy cheviot (?) , something like that. (It is the
platypus, but that comes after.)



On Thu, Aug 27, 2020 at 8:30 AM Sam Perez  wrote:

> what does the platypus look like ? i dont see it on the website
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>> Magnificent! A highly mobile art piece!
>> I must buy one of these bikes just to prominently display the head badge.
>> And, for my own viewing pleasure.
>>
>> Thank you Olivier!
>>
>> David Lipsky
>> Berkeley, CA
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, August 26, 2020 at 10:11:38 AM UTC-7, Olivier Chételat
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> ...and some additional material for those still waiting for a Platypus
>>> by way of sample badge.
>>> Save a few refinements, you are looking at the 99.83% final version.
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Re: [RBW] Susie Has a Question - Bottom Bracket Spindle Length

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On my susie (53cm) I am using the 127x68 shimano b/b (but with a 73mm cup
on the left side).




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> A question about bottom brackets for the Susie Longbolts:
>
> I got a Tange LN-3922 73 x 127 bottom bracket cartridge for my Susie. I
> wasn’t thoroughly reading the comments that mentioned this BB was
> recommended ... for a Rivendell Silver crank. However, I’m using an older
> SR XD2 “wide x low” 40 — 26 crankset (with chain guard). The 127 turns out
> to be way too wide for a good chain line with the SR.
>
> A 122mm BB (American Classic Sealed w/adjustable chainline) that I tried
> still puts the crank arms about 15mm (L) to 17mm (R) away from the chain
> stays.
> The 26 tooth inner has about 10mm clearance to the right chain stay. Tread
> or “Q” factor is about 179mm.
> I’m thinking I need the Tange 118 cartridge or the 115.5.
>
> https://www.benscycle.com/tange-ln-3922-bottom-bracket/bottom_bracket_tange-seiki_ln-3922_447/product
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> Gus)? My frame is a medium (53).
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Re: [RBW] Re: about rapid-rise derailleurs

[kim young]

I love riv simplicity. (...and the versatility and the whole ‘just ride‘
ethos, etc etc.
ha sry I get a little extra :)

Thanks for these links jim

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> I'm using Riv's wide low double:
> https://www.rivbike.com/collections/cranks-bbs/products/silver-crank-wide-low-double-38x24-with-guard,
> and 2 of Riv's MicroShift left shifters
> https://www.rivbike.com/collections/shifting/products/microshift-thumb-shifters-9-speed-sl-t09,
> and XT 9-sp derailers on my Bombadil. Very happy with the friction shifting
> from the setup.
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>> Lol -  thanks for saying.
>>
>> Yes I’ve got 1xs on a couple bikes, but with that much chain-line or
>> however you say it , I’ve had issues. They’ve been great when it’s dry, but
>> in weather it has been fussy for me.
>> Tho I am running an NX group on one bike, so that might be my problem.
>>
>> But thought I’d try out a 2X this time on the wolbis and see if it’s less
>> trouble.
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>> On Sat, Aug 15, 2020 at 8:25 PM Jim M.  wrote:
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>>>
>>> On Saturday, August 15, 2020 at 8:07:00 PM UTC-7, Flowerfang wrote:


  I thought I was too fat for my poor bike! Lol

>>>
>>> 145? That's light for a bike. ;-)
>>>
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>>> might want to look at 10-speed 1x drivetrains for the mountains. 10-speed
>>> are pretty affordable these days because everyone wants 12-speed. If it's
>>> Shimano, a 10-sp cassette fits on a 9-sp hub, which made it cheap for me.
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Re: [RBW] Re: about rapid-rise derailleurs

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Lol -  thanks for saying.

Yes I’ve got 1xs on a couple bikes, but with that much chain-line or
however you say it , I’ve had issues. They’ve been great when it’s dry, but
in weather it has been fussy for me.
Tho I am running an NX group on one bike, so that might be my problem.

But thought I’d try out a 2X this time on the wolbis and see if it’s less
trouble.

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>>  I thought I was too fat for my poor bike! Lol
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> might want to look at 10-speed 1x drivetrains for the mountains. 10-speed
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Re: [RBW] Re: about rapid-rise derailleurs

[kim young]

Jim- thank you
 I can get up to 145 pounds come winter and I have broken a couple chains
bc I thought I was too fat for my poor bike! Lol - But I am often messIng
around with drive train combos.  I live in the mountains and it is so rocky
with a lot of climbing.  I need low gears. I am gonna put fresh chains on
my bikes.

Patrick- the Benelux !! omg so cool.
And a good story.
(And tip re: provisional outer limit screw/ emergency fix :)



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> On Saturday, August 15, 2020 at 6:50:22 PM UTC-7, Flowerfang wrote:
>>
>>
>> But if my chain snaps, then the cage and whole mechanism - like its gonna
>> clam up without its chain and then the cage might go into the big gear and
>> possibly over into the spokes
>>
>
> If the derailer is properly adjusted, the limiting screw prevents it from
> moving into the spokes, whether you're shifting or snapping a chain.
>
> My chain snagged a stick once that pushed the derailer into the spokes.
> The derailer hanger bent but the chain didn't snap. But it didn't matter
> whether the derailer was high or low normal (it was high normal).
>
> Just curious, how many chains have you snapped? I'm 220 lbs and only have
> snapped two chains in 50 years of riding, including lots of single speed
> mountain biking.
>
> I like low normal and have switched most of my bikes, but I've certainly
> heard plenty of others who don't like it.
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[RBW] about rapid-rise derailleurs

[kim young]

I have a question about the low-normals. I know riv loves the RR’s, but I
hesitate.

I know that if the cable breaks- they default to the low gear. And that is
brilliant, because its still easy to get home.

But if my chain snaps, then the cage and whole mechanism - like its gonna
clam up without its chain and then the cage might go into the big gear and
possibly over into the spokes (if that makes any sense.)

Is this a legit concern or am I just being paranoid?

Thanks for reading :)

(From kim in AZ)

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Re: [RBW] Joe's Custom

[kim young]

Woooh!    good work joe.
perfect buddy for the custom.

On Thu, Aug 13, 2020 at 7:14 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:

> Ed: No, the current owner is too tall for that Bombadil, my saddle will be
> much lower. And there's no way I could reach those drops!
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Re: [RBW] Re: CL outting: Bombadil

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That comment gives me bad flashbacks from home. Lol.

(But this too -in a good way:
http://lovelybike.blogspot.com/2009/10/i-dont-want-you-but-i-need-you.html?m=1
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But Joe you always wanted to try out the Bombadil!  I hope you get it (for
my sake cuz I’d love to read the reviews :)

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> A. That's a weird comment. B. It's still listed and I haven't paid yet.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Charlie H Gallop!

[kim young]

the Rivnobi!


https://www.rivbike.com/blogs/peeking-through-the-knothole/no-4-2020-early-feb-topics?_pos=9&_sid=5f9834c54&_ss=r

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> My memory is quite hazy lately but I vaguely recall mention of a
> 'complete-only' offering in the works being something in collaboration with
> Mark Nobilette - maybe non-custom-made-to-orders or something along those
> lines?  I think the gist of it was a complete Nobilette made Rivendell
> for approximately the same cost as a custom frameset?  I could very well be
> confusing things and have been completely out of the loop but there was
> something mentioned like that a while back in one of the
> Blug/Blahg/Emails.  Can't dig it up right now but just thought I'd throw it
> out there in case any others remember and could clarify?
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> On Friday, July 17, 2020 at 10:07:31 AM UTC-4, scott minor wrote:
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>> Ah, I hope that’s the case.  I’m increasingly attracted to the Gallup and
>> very curious about its development moving forward.  As for the
>> complete-only bikes, yes I recall now that those are to be Nobilette built
>> bikes offered as completes, not the Gallup.  Thanks for chiming in and
>> helping clear that up.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Charlie H Gallop!

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I remember reading- sometime back in winter. Mark was building up some not
quite custom, but fancy complete bikes.
forget what they were called now... ‘raviolis’ ...?  Lol. Something like
that.

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Re: [RBW] Cork grips shellac - clear vs. amber

[kim young]

I’ve used these. They save my wrists on long rides.
Not sure how much cork they have in them, because they are kind of
rubbery-but they don’t dry out.

Asti Natural cork foam grips

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07CX4Z4X1/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_.EFaFbFA96DK1

kim in az

On Sun, Jul 5, 2020 at 8:39 AM Joel Stern  wrote:

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> Thanks On, did you wrap over the cork?
>
> On Sun, Jul 5, 2020 at 11:25 AM Jon Dukeman 
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>> For cork I prefer Spar Varnish. Save shellac for cloth bar tape and twine
>> Jon
>>
>> On Sun, Jul 5, 2020, 8:39 AM Joel Stern  wrote:
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>>> Would you recommend shallac before putting grips on the bars?
>>>
>>> On Thursday, May 11, 2017 at 7:54:06 PM UTC-4 René wrote:
>>>
 Excellent!

 On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 4:00 PM Ron Mc  wrote:

> absolutely friend - it will soak right through.
> The U40 sealant won't build up a glaze.
>
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> On Thursday, May 11, 2017 at 5:28:41 PM UTC-5, René wrote:
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>> Dumb (probably) question, but if after applying the U-40 sealant I
>> don't like it or there's some other issue, can I apply the spar varnish 
>> on
>> top of it?
>>
>> René
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Re: [RBW] Re: Help! Chain/tire rub problem with my Susie build

[kim young]

Hi David.

I was wondering with the long stays and chain if there isn’t going to be a
lot of chain flop when I go off-road?

I wasn’t planning on going bigger then 2.5 when I ordered, but I had
wondered about chain grab. I  was going to use a shark tooth anyway, just
in case.

—-I had asked about the options if I ever wanted to go wider re: how to
build for that, grant sent me this info:


The standard thing-to-do is to use the 2.5 on drive side. We haven't set up
a ShimanoBranded crank, but the Silver 2pc is made to the same std as
Shimano. We've had 2.Eights Teravail tires with single rings, and Silver
normal triples and the chain barely clears the tire (I've ridden it in low
gear). So a 2.6 should be better. But still, a single ring will have more
clearance.

The thing is, the close chain is a problem only on bumpy downhills, when
you climb in low and forget to shift out of it for the ride down. Then, the
tire tread can brab the chain and pull it down. If there's a
chainwidth-or-less clearance btw tire and chainstay, it can jam up. You
won't skid. because the chain can't lock up the wheel. It'll just make
noise and drag.

BUT the Hillibikes have tons of clearance, even with a 2.8, so the chain
can't get jammed. I haven't pulled a chain below the chainstay, but I bet
it would just pop up and out again. I mean, what else could it do?

——-

from kim in az

On Fri, Jun 26, 2020 at 7:00 AM David Wadstrup 
wrote:

> Oh... two other things of note
>
> 1) my 2.6" Honchos measure 2.55" on Cliffhangers when inflated to 20psi.
>
> 2) regarding that differential... the Susie's beautifully long chainstays
> will help mitigate any issues, I would think and hope.  The longer the
> stays the straighter the chain, right?
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Re: [RBW] Re: Velocity Dyads and 50mm Tires

[kim young]

Omg Mark. Your bike!!! Incredible

Garth-I have felt like such a victim of the upgrade-itis curve (Thank you
for that word)
and which never seems to level out for me.

So the hillibike/bmx possibilities are a dream.
Thank you for the linx!

>From kim in az


On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 8:38 AM Garth  wrote:

>
>Oh man gold Deore hubs with white rims ? You gotta post a photo when
> they're done !  We can never have too many wheels !! They're much easier to
> make room for than whole bikes.  We can both thank the good 'ol world of
> BMX for tempting us all as it doesn't suffer from upgrade-itis like road
> and mtb stuff.
>
> If anyone is interested in old-school brakes for any of their bikes in
> many colors check these out  of interest to me is the Dia-Compe 988
> cantilever brakes in colors. Colorful headset spcers if you need them too !
> https://porkchopbmx.com/brakes/brake-calipers-and-sets/
> https://porkchopbmx.com/old-school-bmx-parts/headsets-and-spacers/
>
> For MKS users they have pedal end caps and the wrenches for them. They
> have colorful VP-747 Bear trap pedals if you're looking for them.
> https://porkchopbmx.com/old-school-bmx-parts/pedals/
>
> Colorful presta valve caps !
> https://porkchopbmx.com/old-school-bmx-parts/valve-caps/
>
> Decals  as a kid we used to covet getting STP oil stickers for Earl's
> Service Station... back when there was such a thing. He's check your fluids
> while he filled your gas tank. In side the postage stamp sized shop was a
> returnable bottle pop machine and a accordion-door chest freezer with ice
> cream sandwiches.
> Porckchop has some nice looking ones ! Kool-Stop, Tange, Suzue, True
> Temper and MKS stickers ... who knew ? The Porkchop "Hot Wheels" and
> Red-White-Blue style stickers look kinda cool.
> https://porkchopbmx.com/old-school-bmx-parts/decals-stickers/
>
> The Made in Japan page has some hard to find Dia-Compe among other parts.
> https://porkchopbmx.com/made-in-japan/
>
> Too much to list ! It's like stepping into a cool old-world bike shop like
> Kraynick's in Pittsburgh where I have gotten a number of vintage SunTour
> shifters and brakes, among other parts !
>
> On Wednesday, June 24, 2020 at 9:09:01 AM UTC-4, Mark Roland wrote:
>>
>> Garth, it was you pointing out the bmx Rhyno colors in another thread
>> that got me to order a set from Albes a few weeks ago. However, you forgot
>> about...white! I will be lacing up white Rhyno Lite XL rims to a set of
>> vintage gold Deore LX hubs from my parts box, spoke nipple colors TBD, for
>> my L Susie! So I have you to thank...or blame;^) If I can figure out the bb
>> situation, my cranks will be a nice '80s magenta. Going with VO clunker
>> bars for now (I have a nice pair of Choco-moose in the wings--thanks Joe).
>> Still debating on whether to get the pink crash pad.  Hopefully it won't
>> clash with my raspberry Brooks. Yikes. Fun!
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Re: [RBW] Seen some Gus builds, no Susies yet....

[kim young]

Flag cranks are sold.
Thanks everyone.

On Sun, Jun 21, 2020 at 10:32 AM Joe Bernard  wrote:

> Ray, I think the simplest path is to get a 73mm Shimano UN55 in a spindle
> length that seems workable with the frame and cranks you have..I found
> several lengths available with a quick search. It'll be a bit of a guessing
> game of holding the cranks up to your new frame and eyeing how much
> distance you need from the BB shell, I have a drawer full of bottom
> brackets to show for when the guess is wrong. Heck, I may even have a 73mm
> BB in there somebody can use!
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Re: [RBW] Seen some Gus builds, no Susies yet....

[kim young]

O...Ok. Thank you Alex.

(Indeed-Happy Father’s Day to all the great dads on here.)

On Sun, Jun 21, 2020 at 5:37 AM Alex Wirth- Owner, Yellow Haus Bicycles <
4824...@gmail.com> wrote:

> You gentlemen are all right.  I actually have about six different
> brands/combinations of square taper BBs that I will experiment with.  I
> hope to memorialize that process in a blog post so stay tuned.
>
>
> Since the drive side cup/BB is the same on the Shimano UN55 for either 68
> or 73mm modelsthey are stealing the cup-only from a shorter 73mm bottom
> bracket because Shimano doesn't make an off-the-shelf 73mm spindle length
> long enough for most cranks/this bike.
>
> Essentially the adjustable cup from the 73mm variants is "deeper" so that
> the cup reaches the bearing and fully supports it.
>
> On some other brands the adjustable cup doesn't have a lip preventing it
> from traveling inside the bottom bracket (Shimano does).  You can cheat the
> system this way on other brands and use a 68mm BB in a 73mm shell, but it
> makes your cranks a little off-center.
>
> I also scored a NOS three piece Tange BB that *might* be the right length.
>
> All of these different scenarios have to factor in your tire sizethe
> bigger you go, your chainline gets pushed outward which can start
> eliminating certain crank options.
>
> Hopefully I can make all of this easier to understand in picturesI'm
> not really doing it justice in writing.
>
>
> Happy Father's Day to all you bike dads out there 
>
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Re: [RBW] Seen some Gus builds, no Susies yet....

[kim young]

Word up joe!

(And if glom is the root of conglomeratIon, than my build is sure to
qualify.)

Thank you 


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> Kim, if I'm going to take a wild guess - AND I AM - I'm going to say your
> combination asks for a spindle length they like/can get in a 68 BB, so
> they're glomming on (or kludging!) a cup from a 73 to make it fit that
> shell. Which probably works great and come to think of it I think I've done
> this at least once. I'm pro glom/kludge 
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Re: [RBW] Seen some Gus builds, no Susies yet....

[kim young]

Would it have something to do with the fact I am going 2X (not 3)?

On Sat, Jun 20, 2020 at 7:52 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:

> "Will a 73mm bottom bracket take a standard square taper crank or are we
> looking at a new standard?"
>
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> shells this way. You just need a spindle/arms combination wide enough to
> clear wider chainstays.
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Re: [RBW] Seen some Gus builds, no Susies yet....

[kim young]

Hi ray- good question.
don’t have mine yet (and I don’t know quite how to picture it either.)



On Sat, Jun 20, 2020 at 6:41 PM Ray Varella  wrote:

> Can someone post a picture of the 68/73mm combo bottom bracket.
> I’m having trouble visualizing why it wouldn’t just be a 73mm.
>
> Will a 73mm bottom bracket take a standard square taper crank or are we
> looking at a new standard?
>
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Re: [RBW] Seen some Gus builds, no Susies yet....

[kim young]

Hi joe :)
Well -when I asked grant the question- he said essentially that same thing:
it’s odd but that’s just how it works. ??

(least I can add ‘kludge‘ to my vocabulary now. I can def use that !)

On Sat, Jun 20, 2020 at 6:29 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:

> It's not obvious to me at all, Kim. I know what a 73mm BB and shell are,
> but I don't know why they kludged a 68 and 73 together. That's...odd.
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Re: [RBW] Seen some Gus builds, no Susies yet....

[kim young]

Hey Mark
You are right. I had to get a 68 and a 73.

I kept wondering what difference it would make tho- because I would still
just be threading them all the way in.

Now that you say that...so it must be the flange that is wider and will
extend further? (Lol sry if this is obvious and I am being dense.)



On Sat, Jun 20, 2020 at 5:39 PM Mark Roland 
wrote:

> Hi Kim. I think what they are talking about is a kind of extender for the
> bb, to turn a 68mm into the required 73mm for the Susie.
>
> On Friday, June 19, 2020 at 11:49:59 PM UTC-4, Flowerfang wrote:
>>
>> hi alex happy solstice likewise,
>>
>> As to the parts for my aspirational susie, I got a lovely wheelset (27's)
>> from Joe and Allbatross bars with alivios from Sean. (thx yall!!!)
>> I've yet to dig through my parts bin, which is a vortex. I think i have a
>> set of original s-flag cranks if anyone wants those.
>>
>> (david that's very exciting btw about your frame being ready)
>>
>> I am going with the silvers - that have the holes whatever they are
>> called.
>> There is one detail i keep forgetting to post is that I had to order
>> mis-matched b/b cups for it.
>> I've never heard of this before - ?? - but Will knew what to include. I
>> am sure I will be calling him with a bunch of questions once I get going on
>> it.
>>
>> I plan on 2.5 tires, tho if i decide to go wider
>> (i think the susie tolerates up to 3.0) i think i need the longer spindle.
>>
>> Riv made me a list of suggested parts, in case it's helpful:
>>
>>
>> [image: IMG_3634.PNG]
>>
>> happy trails from kim in az
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 18, 2020 at 4:16 PM Alex Wirth- Owner, Yellow Haus Bicycles <
>> 482...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> After inviting a wicken over to cast some spells on my phoneI
>>> received that golden phone call from Will at Rivendell!
>>>
>>> My Susie is getting ready to be packed up and shipped.  I added some
>>> odds and ends to the order but I was curious if anyone else on the list has
>>> received their Susie yet?
>>>
>>> Any tips or tricks on the build that I should consider?
>>>
>>> Cheers!!
>>>
>>>
>>> -Alex in Rochester, NY where the weather has been dandy.
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Next Level Clementine

[kim young]

:) Lol
 Thank you joe ‍☠️





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> Kim! It's so cool to see you again! 
>
> I've had that '94 catalogue since 1994, it's hilarious to discover you
> were hungover in the pic. You hid it well! 
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Re: [RBW] Next Level Clementine

[kim young]

Likewise Doug.
I think I am going to win the lottery pretty soon, so I will buy an extra
Riv for you. :)


On Monday, June 15, 2020, Doug Hansford  wrote:

> Nice to meet you Kim! I'm sure Bridgestone was a cool place to work just
> as Rivendell for sure must be. Bike-centric and people friendly. I've never
> been to Rivendell headquarters but have spoken to Grant by phone a couple
> of times and he's genuine and really wants his customers to get the right
> bicycle and just ride. His book drew me to Rivendell in the first place and
> I've been a fan since, even though I don't currently own a fully built
> Rivendell bike. But, I've set my other bikes up according to the "Just
> Ride" philosophy and enjoy riding more than ever before. Leah's Clementine
> is a good example of making a bike uniquely your own even if it isn't a
> custom.
> Doug Hansford
>
> On Monday, June 15, 2020 at 6:43:24 PM UTC-4, Flowerfang wrote:
>>
>> hey doug. you don't know me but i feel like i know you. lol
>>
>> omg leah!! i will get you back for this. dude where did you even find
>> that? I was seriously hung over in that pic (because bridestone reps were a
>> v. bad influence!) yikes, that was a hundred years ago. ugghhh I used to be
>> in mint condition. Now I am like a scratch and dent floor model. ha haha
>>
>> It's funny b/c when I agreed to do that catalogue thing, grant says to
>> me: be sure to bring your riding clothes, because we will all definitely go
>> on a ride. (tho I had been working in shops most my life, I was never the
>> pro-shop cyclist.) In other words, riding clothes meant whatever I had on
>> at the moment.  I remember thinking ogod please no! Because any kind of
>> riding that required special stretchy clothing and the weird shoes was sure
>> gonna kill me.  I tried squirming out of it, but they plied me with the
>> promise of after-ride beer and pizza! (The whole riv ethos sure has changed
>> !)
>>
>> And the bridgestone headquarters...  you can imagine - It was like
>> entering the willy wonka factory. Orange and purple x0-1s all leaned up
>> next to the cubicles. EVERYONE commuted. I think some even had their babies
>> at work with them. It was one of the most creative atmospheres I'd ever
>> experienced.
>>
>> So anyways thank you!!
>> This place is similarly inspiring.
>> sending hugs!!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> [image: IMG_2491.JPG]
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 15, 2020 at 8:08 AM Leah Peterson 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> She’s famous, alright!
>>>
>>> I’m so excited for you to get your Rivendell, Kim. You’ll have to be a
>>> little more prolific on this forum when you do! You know, all the photos...
>>>
>>> I get so much joy from my #RivSisters. Riv brothers are good, too!
>>> Leah
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Jun 15, 2020, at 7:34 AM, Doug Hansford  wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>> I'm a little slow so I still have no idea who you are Kim, Flowerfang.
>>> But, all RivSisters are cool and riding Rivs is cool.
>>> Doug Hansford
>>> "Not anonymous in Watkinsville, GA" #RivBro
>>>
>>> On Monday, June 15, 2020 at 10:20:26 AM UTC-4, Flowerfang wrote:

 Haha. busted.
 I so wish I was humble!
 I think I’m on eBay for $5.
 think we’ve given up more than enough clues with that ;)

 I really try not to covet your Clem’s. I was always more the
 klunker/strandie/derelict bike queen. When the discussion gets really
 advanced, I feel like a Bud drinker at a wine tasting. But I am learning a
 lot here, so thank you!
 I think Craig Montgomery is my homie and he can vouch for me? (Matthew
 I loved the klunker vids. btw.)

 BUT I do have a snail-boot frame in the pipeline!!Will be any day
 now.
 (Oops -meant Susie Longbolts frame. I get all the hyphenates so mixed
 up.)

 Would be an honor to be a sis: Ryan, Joe, Leah et. al.
 ✊

 (Pswho got the kookas for their Susie build? It must be Mark I
 think. Are you going pink and orange !!?? In any case, I got a pink
 dirtdrop I just might have to gift you.)

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> "Kim, you’re so humble. You should tell them who you really are! I
> think there are photos from a rather beloved publication featuring Kim..."
>
> Tell the world, Kim! (btw Flowerfang is an awesome name ❤️)
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[RBW] Next Level Clementine

[kim young]

Haha. busted.
I so wish I was humble!
I think I’m on eBay for $5.
think we’ve given up more than enough clues with that ;)

I really try not to covet your Clem’s. I was always more the
klunker/strandie/derelict bike queen. When the discussion gets really
advanced, I feel like a Bud drinker at a wine tasting. But I am learning a
lot here, so thank you!
I think Craig Montgomery is my homie and he can vouch for me? (Matthew I
loved the klunker vids. btw.)

BUT I do have a snail-boot frame in the pipeline!!Will be any day now.
(Oops -meant Susie Longbolts frame. I get all the hyphenates so mixed up.)

Would be an honor to be a sis: Ryan, Joe, Leah et. al.
✊

(Pswho got the kookas for their Susie build? It must be Mark I think.
Are you going pink and orange !!?? In any case, I got a pink dirtdrop I
just might have to gift you.)

On Friday, June 12, 2020, Joe Bernard  wrote:

> "Kim, you’re so humble. You should tell them who you really are! I think
> there are photos from a rather beloved publication featuring Kim..."
>
> Tell the world, Kim! (btw Flowerfang is an awesome name ❤️)
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Re: [RBW] New Camera Day

[kim young]

WOW

On Thursday, June 11, 2020, Christopher Cote 
wrote:

> Very nice! Thanks for sharing.
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Re: [RBW] Next Level Clementine

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:) Lol. Tail wagging !


On Thursday, June 11, 2020, Leah Peterson  wrote:

> I would like to hug your neck, Kim. Back at you! ❤️
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Jun 11, 2020, at 9:36 AM, kim young  wrote:
>
> Magic bikes are priceless.
> It is as beautiful as you are Leah!
> 吏‍♀️ 
>
> On Wednesday, June 10, 2020, Leah Peterson 
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>> Thanks, I’m glad you like it. A lot of care went into putting it all
>> together, and especially since the shop hadn’t seen parts like these come
>> to their work stand before.
>>
>> I consider it generally bad form to delve into one’s income level, so I
>> will steer the conversation in a different direction. I will say that I
>> enjoy supporting small businesses and that the $225 spent on labor was
>> money well spent. Just a thought.
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On Jun 10, 2020, at 10:15 AM, Adam Leibow  wrote:
>>
>> 
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>> and took such care in doing the work. That is a really nice build. That
>> being said, I can't imagine how much you spent on all this! One reason I am
>> able to afford the bikes I have is I can build them myself, which is a huge
>> savings. Just a thought.
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Re: [RBW] Next Level Clementine

[kim young]

Magic bikes are priceless.
It is as beautiful as you are Leah!
吏‍♀️ 

On Wednesday, June 10, 2020, Leah Peterson  wrote:

> Thanks, I’m glad you like it. A lot of care went into putting it all
> together, and especially since the shop hadn’t seen parts like these come
> to their work stand before.
>
> I consider it generally bad form to delve into one’s income level, so I
> will steer the conversation in a different direction. I will say that I
> enjoy supporting small businesses and that the $225 spent on labor was
> money well spent. Just a thought.
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Jun 10, 2020, at 10:15 AM, Adam Leibow  wrote:
>
> 
> Cool story! It's awesome that that shop was able to appreciate the bike,
> and took such care in doing the work. That is a really nice build. That
> being said, I can't imagine how much you spent on all this! One reason I am
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Re: [RBW] Favorite Rivendell model names?

[kim young]

That is so fabulous you mention it.
The scorcher documentary was such an inspiration to me. I had a vhs copy
from ted. I must have watched it a hundred times back then and I wore the
thing out.
I wonder what he’s doing now? I Shall google :)
Gracias

(kim in az)

On Thursday, June 4, 2020, Mark Roland  wrote:

> I had a Scorcher. It was fun, but not in the same league as a Rivendell
> quality-wise. That bike was the brainchild of Wes Williams (and maybe Scot
> Nicol?) Fixed gear, 700 x 41 tires, Cresent style handlebars, Brooks
> saddle. Williams tigged the frames; used an aftermarket chrome cruiser fork
> with lugged crown.
>
> The name came about because of a documentary at that time (early 90s) by
> Ted White, *Return of the Scorcher*. This referred to the name given to
> early bikes and riders in the late (18)90s, due to their speed. Fun fact,
> the movie was also responsible for linking the term Critical Mass to
> cycling--at an early showing in San Francisco, a group of activists picked
> up on George Bliss's use of the term to describe a phenomena in China
> involving bike riders at intersections. I got my Ibis as payment for a few
> ads they took in my magazine at the time, *In Traffic, The Metro Cycling
> Journal.*
>
> Here it is on the web:
>
> 
> https://youtu.be/K1DUaWJ6KGc
>
>
> On Thursday, June 4, 2020 at 8:03:47 PM UTC-4, Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>> My dirty little secret is I'm really not a fan of anything but the most
>> basic names like Road or Mountain, and traditional sounding stuff like
>> Clubman. Although the best name ever was the Ibis Scorcher. Scorcher is
>> untouchable.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Lighten Up: Clem Edition

[kim young]

“To be more ready for anything bring some gel super glue and gorilla
tape...”

Oh good. that’s super helpful (and now my new mantra)
Thx ted!

On Fri, Apr 10, 2020 at 10:17 AM ted  wrote:

>
> re: The thing with tubeless is that IF I get a flat I feel like it’s gonna
> be more trouble (maybe due to inexperience. )
>
> I had similar concerns. After a bit of googling i've opted for carrying a
> repair kit with: one tube, two tire levers, a few tire plugs, and a plug
> tool.
> To be more ready for anything bring some gel super glue and gorilla tape
> for patching side wall cuts. I've read just laying the bike on its side and
> patching sidewalls from the outside (which alleviates messing with the
> beads) works well.
> For now I'm packing two co2 cartridges and a mini inflater but I think I
> may go back to a full sized frame pump.
>
> To date (~ half a year) i've never needed to deal with any of that on the
> road/trail.
>
> On Friday, April 10, 2020 at 7:42:40 AM UTC-7, Flowerfang wrote:
>>
>> Thank you for this conversation.
>>
>> Tube or tubeless that has been my question!
>> (IMHO)
>> there’s gonna be infrastructure one way or the other. w tubeless for me i
>> was intimidated due to the learning curve.
>>
>> But I do like learning and once I got through some of that, tubeless
>> isn’t any more complicated than learning how to patch, etc. It’s just
>> different. I have bikes running both.
>>
>> The thing with tubeless is that IF I get a flat I feel like it’s gonna be
>> more trouble (maybe due to inexperience. )
>> Yet I don’t get flats with tubeless- (I know it can happen, just that I
>> haven’t yet in a year or more ).
>> I have lost a lot of air a few times, so that my tubeless go squishy. (I
>> learned the old frame pump won’t  inflate enough. Now I have a lezyne pump
>> I bring w.)
>>
>> With the tube tires and where I ride, I am flat or slowly leaking - at
>> least once a month.  So there’s gonna be a flat, but I know how to fix it.
>> It’s easier and I‘m ready. I just have to do so way more often. What i have
>> to be prepped for with tubes is the probability that I need to be.
>>
>> There’s hardly ever flats with tubeless - so it’s the differential in the
>> maintenance reality of the two systems that I think about.
>>
>> (W tubeless I fill up w stans no-flow whenever the tubeless won’t hold
>> their air overnight. I have the m12 makita portable mini compressor. It’s
>> smaller than a 6pack. I use it for the cars and wheelbarrow tires too.
>> But I don’t Re-fill my tubeless that much more often than my tube tires. )
>>
>>
>>
>> kim in az
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 10:43 AM Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>
>>> See Ken, this is where I just can't get into tubeless. I've owned a
>>> couple bikes that cake to me that way, which was dandy because they were
>>> already seated and pumped up; but then I needed sealant, a tool to unscrew
>>> the valve to add sealant, and tire plugs. Ok so what do I take as tire
>>> repair stuff? Whelp, I guess I could take all this in case I need it, plus
>>> a tube and tire levers if the trick to getting home after a puncture is to
>>> pop a tube in there. Then when it's time to seat a tire I'm going to need a
>>> machine because my very good Topeak floor pump isn't good enough, or I'm
>>> not good enough at pumping.
>>>
>>> So I get the advantages in ride, lightness and puncture resistance of
>>> tubeless, but for a Luddite like me who does all his own work all I see is
>>> more stuff and more work. I'm not into it.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Lighten Up: Clem Edition

[kim young]

Thank you for this conversation.

Tube or tubeless that has been my question!
(IMHO)
there’s gonna be infrastructure one way or the other. w tubeless for me i
was intimidated due to the learning curve.

But I do like learning and once I got through some of that, tubeless isn’t
any more complicated than learning how to patch, etc. It’s just different.
I have bikes running both.

The thing with tubeless is that IF I get a flat I feel like it’s gonna be
more trouble (maybe due to inexperience. )
Yet I don’t get flats with tubeless- (I know it can happen, just that I
haven’t yet in a year or more ).
I have lost a lot of air a few times, so that my tubeless go squishy. (I
learned the old frame pump won’t  inflate enough. Now I have a lezyne pump
I bring w.)

With the tube tires and where I ride, I am flat or slowly leaking - at
least once a month.  So there’s gonna be a flat, but I know how to fix it.
It’s easier and I‘m ready. I just have to do so way more often. What i have
to be prepped for with tubes is the probability that I need to be.

There’s hardly ever flats with tubeless - so it’s the differential in the
maintenance reality of the two systems that I think about.

(W tubeless I fill up w stans no-flow whenever the tubeless won’t hold
their air overnight. I have the m12 makita portable mini compressor. It’s
smaller than a 6pack. I use it for the cars and wheelbarrow tires too.
But I don’t Re-fill my tubeless that much more often than my tube tires. )



kim in az

On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 10:43 AM Joe Bernard  wrote:

> See Ken, this is where I just can't get into tubeless. I've owned a couple
> bikes that cake to me that way, which was dandy because they were already
> seated and pumped up; but then I needed sealant, a tool to unscrew the
> valve to add sealant, and tire plugs. Ok so what do I take as tire repair
> stuff? Whelp, I guess I could take all this in case I need it, plus a tube
> and tire levers if the trick to getting home after a puncture is to pop a
> tube in there. Then when it's time to seat a tire I'm going to need a
> machine because my very good Topeak floor pump isn't good enough, or I'm
> not good enough at pumping.
>
> So I get the advantages in ride, lightness and puncture resistance of
> tubeless, but for a Luddite like me who does all his own work all I see is
> more stuff and more work. I'm not into it.
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Re: [RBW] Re: 1x drivetrain question

[kim young]

Ug . Swoon. I feel like Gollum up in here drooling over that rosco.
what a perfect bike.



On Sun, Mar 29, 2020 at 7:29 AM Conway Bennett <
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> Here is a 2x9 "stick shift" on my wife's Riv:
>
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/7hXFZiE3MBSYvMY2A
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Re: [RBW] PSA Clem Smith Jr/Clememtine Sacramento Craigslist with interesting ad

[kim young]

Good grief.
They even bought a url and made a site.
I think the poor bike is being held hostage.




On Thu, Mar 26, 2020 at 5:27 AM Jeff B  wrote:

> No relation to seller but here is a Clementine for sale north east of
> Sacramento with an interesting ad. No mention of Rivendell and whoever made
> it seemed to just google the downtime name.
>
> Hoping that nothing nefarious is going on with the sale of it.
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: 1x drivetrain question

[kim young]

:)
 I love that.


On Sun, Mar 22, 2020 at 5:34 PM 'Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch <
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Using your fingers or a stick to shift, effectively making it 2 1x systems
> on the same bike. Allows for use of wide/narrow chain rings and works
> really well in my experience. Takes 3 seconds at a stop I'm stopping at
> anyway, usually at the trailhead or an obvious shift in terrain. Why?
> Simplicity. No trimming, no wrenching a derailure cause it ain't there.
> Grin.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> On Sunday, March 22, 2020 at 5:19:39 PM UTC-6, Flowerfang wrote:
>>
>>
>> What’s a stick derailleur?
>>
>> On Sun, Mar 22, 2020 at 3:53 PM 'Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch <
>> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
> Aye, Kim. My 1x11 works well enough that I plan to ride it into the ground
>>> then go with 2x9ish with stick front derailure. I think my 11 bottoms out
>>> at 46t, and, yeah, I can climb nearly anything.
>>>
>>> With abandon,
>>> Patrick
>>>
>>> On Sunday, March 22, 2020 at 2:13:38 PM UTC-6, Flowerfang wrote:

 For whatever this is worth, I agree -patrick -all my 1xs are so fussy.
 (But i live in a remote mountainous area and I am never on road. It’s more
 like mini repack terrain. So this info might not apply to this forum so
 much).


 I got chain drop whenever it was slightly muddy. The chain guide
 mitigated that problem. But I still have the notorious back-pedal issues.
 For me it has to do with the big pizza ring (50t). Back-pedal has not been
 a problem with the 46. 50t when it’s working means I can climb almost
 anything. But I have the notorious  back-pedal issues -it has to do with
 the big pizza ring (50t). Back-pedal has not been a problem with the 46.
 I’ve done b-tension w the special tool. Tried new chains, etc. but
 still no dice.

 Box one has an 8spd/50t coming out and I admit I am kinda tempted.But I
 will wait for the reviews.

 Maybe there’s something I’m missing but I am going back to 2x w. my
 next build. Much less drama for me.
 I need to talk to The Analog team about their buzzard gearing.

 (And Thx to everyone btw for the edification.)
 kim in az

 On Sun, Mar 22, 2020 at 11:15 AM 'Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch <
 rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> One more note, the 1x seems touchy to snow and mud in the derailure,
> more so than I recall when my Hunqapillar was 2x9 speed. This could be do
> to any combination of: 1. not remembering well, 2. 1x11's in general due 
> to
> tight tolerances or, 3. longer chain stays.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> On Sunday, March 22, 2020 at 12:11:56 PM UTC-6, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>
>> My Gus Boots Wilsen is 1x11, shimano whatever groupset, as built by
>> Riv, playing with various set ups. Zero problems as far as I can tell 
>> with
>> the long chain stays and the 1x. I still would prefer friction shifting,
>> but that's me and my fixed gear preference talking. Grin. My tendency is 
>> to
>> shift 2-4 gears at a go, so I ride it more like a wide-rage 5 speed.
>>
>> With abandon,
>> Patrick
>>
>> On Sunday, March 22, 2020 at 10:15:58 AM UTC-6, Lithocarpus wrote:
>>>
>>> I’m considering setting up my MIT Atlantis with a 1x system and was
>>> interested to know if anyone here has done this, what components you 
>>> used,
>>> and if the chain stay length caused any complications. So far, I’m
>>> considering a 11x50 SunRace cassette, SRAM eagle GX derailleur, chain, 
>>> and
>>> trigger shifter, but am hoping to use my existing Silver crankset. It’s 
>>> a
>>> triple, but I think the middle chainring position would be aligned
>>> correctly. If that crank works, I’d likely throw a guard on it. Long 
>>> term,
>>> I’m interested in a White Industries crankset, but that’s further down 
>>> the
>>> road.
>>>
>>> What are your experiences ?  Attached image of the current set up.
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: 1x drivetrain question

[kim young]

What’s a stick derailleur?

On Sun, Mar 22, 2020 at 3:53 PM 'Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch <
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Aye, Kim. My 1x11 works well enough that I plan to ride it into the ground
> then go with 2x9ish with stick front derailure. I think my 11 bottoms out
> at 46t, and, yeah, I can climb nearly anything.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> On Sunday, March 22, 2020 at 2:13:38 PM UTC-6, Flowerfang wrote:
>>
>> For whatever this is worth, I agree -patrick -all my 1xs are so fussy.
>> (But i live in a remote mountainous area and I am never on road. It’s more
>> like mini repack terrain. So this info might not apply to this forum so
>> much).
>>
>>
>> I got chain drop whenever it was slightly muddy. The chain guide
>> mitigated that problem. But I still have the notorious back-pedal issues.
>> For me it has to do with the big pizza ring (50t). Back-pedal has not been
>> a problem with the 46. 50t when it’s working means I can climb almost
>> anything. But I have the notorious  back-pedal issues -it has to do with
>> the big pizza ring (50t). Back-pedal has not been a problem with the 46.
>> I’ve done b-tension w the special tool. Tried new chains, etc. but still
>> no dice.
>>
>> Box one has an 8spd/50t coming out and I admit I am kinda tempted.But I
>> will wait for the reviews.
>>
>> Maybe there’s something I’m missing but I am going back to 2x w. my next
>> build. Much less drama for me.
>> I need to talk to The Analog team about their buzzard gearing.
>>
>> (And Thx to everyone btw for the edification.)
>> kim in az
>>
>> On Sun, Mar 22, 2020 at 11:15 AM 'Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch <
>> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>>> One more note, the 1x seems touchy to snow and mud in the derailure,
>>> more so than I recall when my Hunqapillar was 2x9 speed. This could be do
>>> to any combination of: 1. not remembering well, 2. 1x11's in general due to
>>> tight tolerances or, 3. longer chain stays.
>>>
>>> With abandon,
>>> Patrick
>>>
>>> On Sunday, March 22, 2020 at 12:11:56 PM UTC-6, Deacon Patrick wrote:

 My Gus Boots Wilsen is 1x11, shimano whatever groupset, as built by
 Riv, playing with various set ups. Zero problems as far as I can tell with
 the long chain stays and the 1x. I still would prefer friction shifting,
 but that's me and my fixed gear preference talking. Grin. My tendency is to
 shift 2-4 gears at a go, so I ride it more like a wide-rage 5 speed.

 With abandon,
 Patrick

 On Sunday, March 22, 2020 at 10:15:58 AM UTC-6, Lithocarpus wrote:
>
> I’m considering setting up my MIT Atlantis with a 1x system and was
> interested to know if anyone here has done this, what components you used,
> and if the chain stay length caused any complications. So far, I’m
> considering a 11x50 SunRace cassette, SRAM eagle GX derailleur, chain, and
> trigger shifter, but am hoping to use my existing Silver crankset. It’s a
> triple, but I think the middle chainring position would be aligned
> correctly. If that crank works, I’d likely throw a guard on it. Long term,
> I’m interested in a White Industries crankset, but that’s further down the
> road.
>
> What are your experiences ?  Attached image of the current set up.
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Re: [RBW] Re: 1x drivetrain question

[kim young]

For whatever this is worth, I agree -patrick -all my 1xs are so fussy. (But
i live in a remote mountainous area and I am never on road. It’s more like
mini repack terrain. So this info might not apply to this forum so much).


I got chain drop whenever it was slightly muddy. The chain guide mitigated
that problem. But I still have the notorious back-pedal issues. For me it
has to do with the big pizza ring (50t). Back-pedal has not been a problem
with the 46. 50t when it’s working means I can climb almost anything. But I
have the notorious  back-pedal issues -it has to do with the big pizza ring
(50t). Back-pedal has not been a problem with the 46.
I’ve done b-tension w the special tool. Tried new chains, etc. but still no
dice.

Box one has an 8spd/50t coming out and I admit I am kinda tempted.But I
will wait for the reviews.

Maybe there’s something I’m missing but I am going back to 2x w. my next
build. Much less drama for me.
I need to talk to The Analog team about their buzzard gearing.

(And Thx to everyone btw for the edification.)
kim in az

On Sun, Mar 22, 2020 at 11:15 AM 'Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch <
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> One more note, the 1x seems touchy to snow and mud in the derailure, more
> so than I recall when my Hunqapillar was 2x9 speed. This could be do to any
> combination of: 1. not remembering well, 2. 1x11's in general due to tight
> tolerances or, 3. longer chain stays.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> On Sunday, March 22, 2020 at 12:11:56 PM UTC-6, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>
>> My Gus Boots Wilsen is 1x11, shimano whatever groupset, as built by Riv,
>> playing with various set ups. Zero problems as far as I can tell with the
>> long chain stays and the 1x. I still would prefer friction shifting, but
>> that's me and my fixed gear preference talking. Grin. My tendency is to
>> shift 2-4 gears at a go, so I ride it more like a wide-rage 5 speed.
>>
>> With abandon,
>> Patrick
>>
>> On Sunday, March 22, 2020 at 10:15:58 AM UTC-6, Lithocarpus wrote:
>>>
>>> I’m considering setting up my MIT Atlantis with a 1x system and was
>>> interested to know if anyone here has done this, what components you used,
>>> and if the chain stay length caused any complications. So far, I’m
>>> considering a 11x50 SunRace cassette, SRAM eagle GX derailleur, chain, and
>>> trigger shifter, but am hoping to use my existing Silver crankset. It’s a
>>> triple, but I think the middle chainring position would be aligned
>>> correctly. If that crank works, I’d likely throw a guard on it. Long term,
>>> I’m interested in a White Industries crankset, but that’s further down the
>>> road.
>>>
>>> What are your experiences ?  Attached image of the current set up.
>>>
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Re: [RBW] OT: Wrenching for homeless

[kim young]

What a good story about ‘putting yourself out there’.
thank you Tim!

On Sun, Mar 15, 2020 at 9:49 AM 'Tim' via RBW Owners Bunch <
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> UPDATE: I got home from a ride/hike on Friday to find an email letting me
> know that the homeless event has been canceled. They were adamant earlier
> in the week about the show going on but, alas, it is not to be. I want to
> thank those who chipped in their advice and eased my apprehension. I'd also
> especially like to thank Kim/flowerfang, for her help. She reached out to
> me through PM. She used to live here in Tucson and, in fact, founded an
> organization called BICAS (bicycle inter community art and salvage), which
> is a non-profit doing great community bicycle work here. She also sent an
> email to many of her friends here and I had some help coming to the event.
> I'd also like to thank Grant and Rivendell as well. I was in the Bay Area
> last week and visited. I bought a few things for the event and they,
> through my protests, threw in a few things as well. And then Grant put the
> homeless event on his Blahg. It makes me so grateful that I didn't back
> out. When you put yourself out there, the universe responds. I'll post an
> update for when the event gets rescheduled. Thanks all!
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Re: [RBW] Helpless in Nevada: How do you secure this fender?

[kim young]

Leah - do you know if your REI’s bike shop is any good ?

On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 8:33 PM Leah Peterson 
wrote:

> What Ryan is referring to and the rest of you don’t know, is that the
> mechanic in question packed my Clementine so I could ship it when it
> sold...and he didn’t zip tie the front wheel.  You might imagine what
> happened next. When my buyer received the bike the paint damage would make
> most Riv-lovers feel faint. I actually lost sleep.
>
> The mechanic before him at a different shop had a few foibles as well, but
> he went out of business and as you can see, I’m running out of mechanics
> here.
>
> Ryan is right, as incompetent as I am here, I’m a whiz in the kitchen, but
> it was easy to get there with great, prolific chefs to teach me their
> methodology in their cookbooks. Wrenching would be better taught (at least
> to me) in person. And Riv bikes are different than the typical bikes that
> an instructor might demonstrate on within a collective class.
>
> I need Riv friends in the same city as me!
> Helpless in Henderson,
> Leah
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> > On Mar 13, 2020, at 8:22 PM, 'Abcyclehank' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:
> >
> > Leah,
> > To bad you can not go back and ask the mechanic who installed them.
> 臘‍♂️.  Poor guy.  Just kidding trickle down big box stores are about
> profit not doing things 100% right or perfectly serving the customer.
> Sometimes both the company and mechanic are victims.
> > Now I am nervous how Joe will interpret my packing job.
> >
> > Ryan “ still believes Leah can learn to be her own mechanic; it is
> easier than her high level family meal creating” Hankinson
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Re: [RBW] Riv Girls: 3rd Annual Reunion

[kim young]

:) Lol. What a great idea Ryan.
The pm/am riv pub crawl. Or coffee.

On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 9:52 AM 'Abcyclehank' via RBW Owners Bunch <
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> Leah,
>
> You are overthinking the U24 thing.  The sleeping environment is the least
> important part.  Ride a circular route end up back at your house Sleep
> well, wake up go ride the circular route backwards with as many coffee
> stops and phot breaks as you desire.
>
> Win Win.
>
> Sincerely,
> Ryan “open to beds, hammocks, and tents in that order” Hankinson
> West Michigan
>
> I will not consider myself uninvited but rather needing to (BMOR) bring my
> own Riv.
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Re: [RBW] Riv Girls: 3rd Annual Reunion

[kim young]

Leah- those pics are beautiful!
Next year is the sub24?

BTW is that your Betty Foy for sale on CL?

(Someone in Henderson has one for sale:

https://lasvegas.craigslist.org/bik/d/sloan-rivendell-betty-foy-55cm/7073414230.html
)

from kim in az

On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 6:51 AM Leah Peterson 
wrote:

> Oh, Ryan, alas, you are not a Riv girl and there is no bike in this garage
> big enough for you.
>
> So, I will just have to strap you onto my rear rack for next year’s
> gathering. Don’t worry about it, I can handle it, I carry more weight than
> that on the boys’ school commute. But you will be given a job. You will be
> the one taking our photos for the day because Debbie will certainly have
> her own Riv by then and we will need her in all of our photos.
>
> Leah
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> > On Mar 13, 2020, at 1:24 AM, 'Abcyclehank' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:
> >
> > Finally a justified reason to have more Clems than Peterson’s in an
> Henderson family.  Soon Five Rivendells will likely be in the Original Riv
> Girl Group garage.  Keep it growing; there can never be to many Rivendell
> girls on a coffee outing or in an awkward selfie.
> >
> > Ryan “ jealous I’m not a girl, but Leah doesn’t have a Rivendell big
> enough lens me” Hankinson
> > West Michigan
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Re: [RBW] OT: Wrenching for homeless

[kim young]

Right on tim. It’s nice you are enjoying your new location and helping w.
that event.
There are people who would crew for it. I am sure you could manage but will
be better if you have some backup.
I will put out an email.

(think I’m on the main thread here. I will
write you directly for details.)



On Wed, Mar 4, 2020 at 9:09 PM 'Tim' via RBW Owners Bunch <
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> Kim,
>
> Thanks so much! Yes, it's just me at this time. It's a 3 hour event, from
> 9am-12pm on a Friday. It would be great if you could put me in contact with
> someone. I just moved there last summer and do all of my riding alone.
> Also, Tucson is a fantastic place to ride!
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Re: [RBW] OT: Wrenching for homeless

[kim young]

tim- i used to work on lots of bikes with homeless people when I lived  in
Tucson. (IMHO:) don’t worry - you are more than qualified.  People are just
so happy to have any kind of assist with their bikes at all.

Is it just you doing the bike part of the event?I could put you in touch
with some local people who could help.
kim



On Tue, Mar 3, 2020 at 4:09 PM 'Tim' via RBW Owners Bunch <
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> I'm soliciting advice from the group. I volunteered to do some bike repair
> at an event designed for helping homeless folks here in Tucson. I have
> always described myself as a "mediocre" mechanic, but in reality, I've
> built up 3 Rivs and do almost all of my own repairs and my bikes all work
> just fine, so maybe I'm more than mediocre. But after volunteering I nearly
> backed out, worried about being ill-prepared, but I sucked it up and am
> going to do it. Mostly I was/still am, worried about what I may encounter.
> I talked to Will about this and he felt like flat tires and poorly adjusted
> brakes/shifters would be the main things needed. I tend to agree. I have a
> few tires that I was going to sell here but instead I will take them with
> me and give away and mount, if needed. I'll be in the Bay Area Thursday and
> am visiting Riv (gotta ride a GBW at Shell Ridge!) and plan on buying 2-3
> sets each of brake and shifter cables, plus several patch kits to give away
> and show them how to patch a tube. The event is March 27th so I plan on
> going to a few LBS to ask advice as well and perhaps see if they'd be
> willing to donate anything. I'll bring some lubricant as well. I know most
> of the bikes will be Huffy-type rides so not too worried about electronic
> shifting and dick brakes, of which I know absolutely nothing. I know I
> can't be prepared of every eventuality but is there anything that anyone
> thinks I've ignored/overlooked? Thanks in advance!
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Re: [RBW] Re: Walking boots -- not entirely unrelated to cycling

[kim young]

Wow - that’s impressive. I had no idea that was even possible with any shoe
company.


On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 7:14 PM Peter H 
wrote:

> Hi Pat,
>
> I like my blundstones for kicking around and short walks/hikes with the
> dog and kids. I’ve had probably upwards of 7 pairs or so over the last 15
> years. That said, I wouldn’t say they are all that durable. For me the toes
> wore through pretty quick, and they stretched out in width. The soles on
> each pair wore out slower maybe with in a year and a half, but I’m also
> kinda hard on stuff and wear them in my woodshop and occasionally on
> jobsites. The reason I keep getting them? They slip on quick, and are super
> comfortable when standing on your feet for long periods of time.
>
> For me, I'd have to say best boot/shoe I've ever had are Redwings. I have
> 2 pairs of Redwings, one a 6” boot moc toe, and the other is a oxford moc
> toe/shoe type. I wear the shoe seasonally mostly for work in the summer and
> the boots the rest of the year. They are super durable and just real
> comfortable, the sole has a lot of cushion and give which is nice for any
> sort of casual walking or impact.
>
> I’ve had both Redwings re-soled, which was definitely a perk of the
> Redwings, probably possible with some other boot manufacturers but not
> sure.
>
> Redwing will dip em’ in a vat of oil, fix any blown out stitches, eyelets
> etc, resole and re-lace for around $100. (before/after pictures attached)
> I’m about to do so again. I’ve had these two pairs of boots/shoes for the
> last 12 years. They definitely are my go to for comfort, work, and they are
> super durable and worn nearly every day at work and often outside of work
> too. They'll last even longer if your oil somewhat regularly, (monthly I'm
> told) but I usually do it a few times a year with the change of seasons if
> I can remember to do so.
>
> I did have a pair of Redwing boots with the black vibram sole thinking the
> traction would be better in the winter (over the non marking white soles)
> but my feet would just get so cold in the New England winters with them so
> I stopped wearing them. My other two Redwings have the flat white sole
> non-marking type, and I find it not only more comfortable than the harder
> black vibram sole but also much warmer in the cold when spending long days
> standing on my shops concrete floor, or working outside.
>
> Outside of boots... my weekend kickers are Birk Clogs with backs (great
> for cycling too!) super comfortable.
>
> Hope that helps!
>
> On Thursday, February 20, 2020 at 5:37:39 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> I am thinking of replacing my walking shoes, a worthy but unexceptional
>> pair from an REI parking lot sale a few years ago.
>>
>> I'd like to find something that supports the ankles, has Vibram soles, is
>> not excessively heavy, and that has replaceable -- Goodyear welt? -- soles.
>> Laces only, in case walking shoes have been loaded with bike-shoe-type
>> "technology."
>>
>> Bonus points if they are brown or black leather that can be wax-polished
>> to restore looks.
>>
>> Ideas?
>>
>> Redwing has some likely-looking models, but I know next to nothing about
>> walking boots.
>>
>> Suggestions?
>>
>> Thanks, Patrick
>>
>
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>> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>>
>>
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