Re: [RBW] Curious Brooks damage

[Belopsky]

I am liking my C15 a lot. I have not done a lot of miles yet, but it seems 
like I needed a narrower seat a long time ago. I suppose a B17 narrow may 
be in my future

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Re: [RBW] Curious Brooks damage

[Mark Reimer]

I put in 85km on the new Brooks B17 Special yesterday. I had an interesting 
observation, which is that this new saddle is much stiffer and much less 
comfortable out of the box than my first Special was. I remember being 
shocked how my first one felt as if I had been riding it for years on the 
first ride. It was so supple and fit me so well, I didn't even have a 
break-in period. This one is much more like every other Brooks I've had 
(B17 Narrow and Swift) - hard! 

I wonder if my first Special was cut from a particularly thin or supple 
piece of leather, contributing to its early demise? I also compared the 
metal nose pieces and the failed saddle does indeed have a misaligned nose 
piece. Whether that is from the leather stretching or was misadjusted right 
from the get-go I don't know. I don't have detailed photos from when I 
first purchased it to compare. 

Either way, I feel pretty confident this stiffer saddle will hold up better 
over time. It wasn't too bad on the 85km ride, but definitely will take 
some persuasion to break in. 

>
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Re: [RBW] Curious Brooks damage

[Jack Doran]

Mark,

I had to keep coming back to this thread because of the curious damage to 
your saddle, but I'm so glad it all got worked out. Three cheers for your 
LBS!

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Re: [RBW] Curious Brooks damage

[René Sterental]

+1 for the Cambium!

On Friday, March 11, 2016, Metin Uz  wrote:

> Nice of Brooks to stand behind their product.
>
> On a somewhat related note, I have noticed that the leather is
> significantly softer on the recent Brooks saddles. I have a 15 year old B17
> that has seen at least 40,000 miles (on my commute bike). The surface was
> getting rough, so I replaced it with a B17 Select a year ago. The new
> saddle already has more established dimples (at the sit bones). I doubt I
> will get more than 5 years out of it.
>
> --Metin
>
> On Friday, March 11, 2016 at 1:33:58 PM UTC-8, Mark Reimer wrote:
>>
>> Very good news!
>>
>> My LBS contacted their Brooks supplier on my behalf. Initially I went to
>> the Brooks website and contacted their warranty department. I was told my
>> saddle needed new leather and to send it in for a $110USD replacement
>> service. I didn't feel that was appropriate, asked the shop if they could
>> help. They received an immediate warranty replacement, and lucky for me,
>> they had a B17 special on the shelf already, and I walked out with a new
>> saddle AND my old saddle this afternoon.
>>
>> It can be difficult to justify purchasing local with bike components when
>> there are so many sites now that offer the stuff I want at a huge discount.
>> But these experiences remind me that service and a good relationship with
>> your shop are often worth paying a bit more for.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Curious Brooks damage

[Metin Uz]

Nice of Brooks to stand behind their product.

On a somewhat related note, I have noticed that the leather is 
significantly softer on the recent Brooks saddles. I have a 15 year old B17 
that has seen at least 40,000 miles (on my commute bike). The surface was 
getting rough, so I replaced it with a B17 Select a year ago. The new 
saddle already has more established dimples (at the sit bones). I doubt I 
will get more than 5 years out of it.

--Metin

On Friday, March 11, 2016 at 1:33:58 PM UTC-8, Mark Reimer wrote:
>
> Very good news!
>
> My LBS contacted their Brooks supplier on my behalf. Initially I went to 
> the Brooks website and contacted their warranty department. I was told my 
> saddle needed new leather and to send it in for a $110USD replacement 
> service. I didn't feel that was appropriate, asked the shop if they could 
> help. They received an immediate warranty replacement, and lucky for me, 
> they had a B17 special on the shelf already, and I walked out with a new 
> saddle AND my old saddle this afternoon. 
>
> It can be difficult to justify purchasing local with bike components when 
> there are so many sites now that offer the stuff I want at a huge discount. 
> But these experiences remind me that service and a good relationship with 
> your shop are often worth paying a bit more for. 
>

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Re: [RBW] Curious Brooks damage

[Lungimsam]

Thats cool you could keep the old saddle.
You could hang it on the wall as a decoration. A badge of honor.

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Re: [RBW] Curious Brooks damage

[Lungimsam]

Have you tried a Cambium?
That would eliminate leather issues.
I am thinking of trying their sprung Cambium if it comes out this year.

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Re: [RBW] Curious Brooks damage

[Howard Hatten]

Mark,
Glad to hear Brooks stood tall on your saddle. After reading your post I gave 
my b17 special an inspection and I notice that nose piece is starting to leave 
a witness mark on mine too. I tensioned the leather and it seems to help. I 
think tomorrow I'm going to punch some holes & lace the skirt up. 

Howard
Livonia Mi. 

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Re: [RBW] Curious Brooks damage

[Hugh Smitham]

Glad this worked out Mark.

These saddles aren't inexpensive and going through the warranty process
with online retailers is a pain. I try to support my LBS' s as best I can.
If I buy online I really need to scrutinize whether this is the right part?

Now all you need to do is start the breaking in process all over again.

FWIW I have been told that one should only use proofhide once a season.

Tail Winds,

~Hugh
On Mar 11, 2016 1:34 PM, "Mark Reimer"  wrote:

> Very good news!
>
> My LBS contacted their Brooks supplier on my behalf. Initially I went to
> the Brooks website and contacted their warranty department. I was told my
> saddle needed new leather and to send it in for a $110USD replacement
> service. I didn't feel that was appropriate, asked the shop if they could
> help. They received an immediate warranty replacement, and lucky for me,
> they had a B17 special on the shelf already, and I walked out with a new
> saddle AND my old saddle this afternoon.
>
> It can be difficult to justify purchasing local with bike components when
> there are so many sites now that offer the stuff I want at a huge discount.
> But these experiences remind me that service and a good relationship with
> your shop are often worth paying a bit more for.
>
>
> 
>
>
> On Thursday, March 10, 2016 at 10:45:10 AM UTC-6, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> On 03/10/2016 11:16 AM, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>> > "I do not have steel balls. But I do agree that there is a defect
>> here."
>> >
>> > Perhaps you should be more specific than "here"? Sardonic grin.
>> >
>>
>> http://www.petitionbuzz.com/petitions/trumpshowusyourpenis
>>
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Re: [RBW] Curious Brooks damage

[Deacon Patrick]

[deep, gravely Animal the Muppet voice] Soy That's a common 
side-effect of communications in which I participate. My wife and daughters 
accurately accuse at least half of me of still being five. Sardonic grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Thursday, March 10, 2016 at 9:17:38 AM UTC-7, Mark Reimer wrote:
>
> Oh dear. This is spiralling downward here.
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Re: [RBW] Curious Brooks damage

[Mark Reimer]

Hah!! Oh dear. This is spiralling downward here.

On Thursday, March 10, 2016 at 10:16:27 AM UTC-6, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> "I do not have steel balls. But I do agree that there is a defect here."
>
> Perhaps you should be more specific than "here"? Sardonic grin.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> On Thursday, March 10, 2016 at 8:24:57 AM UTC-7, Mark Reimer wrote:
>>
>> Thanks for the suggestions everyone. Contrary to speculation, I do not 
>> have steel balls. But I do agree that there is a defect here. I've taken it 
>> to the shop I purchased it from (another reason to buy local when you can!) 
>> and they agree, and are going to attempt to have it replaced under 
>> warranty. It is three months shy of two years old, so it falls under the 
>> regular Brooks warranty. 
>>
>> The question of sitting too far forward, it's a good question, though I'm 
>> positive it's not the case. Even as far as Brooks riders go, my saddle 
>> angle is often quite 'upward', sliding me toward the widest part at the 
>> rear. I did that because when it was flatter I had a tendency to slide 
>> forward, which was rather uncomfortable on my non-steel balls. I'll keep 
>> you posted on the warranty response...
>>
>> On Thursday, March 10, 2016 at 7:55:22 AM UTC-6, Ron Mc wrote:
>>>
>>> Please don't shoot the messenger here, but I'm going to throw out one 
>>> more idea.  Any chance you are sitting too far forward on the saddle?  If 
>>> you sit back, does the saddle feel too wide?  If this is the case, you may 
>>> want to try Rivet Indy All Road.  Regards.  
>>>  
>>>
 On Wed, Mar 9, 2016 at 9:48 AM, Mark Reimer  wrote:
>
>>
>> 
>> I've been riding a Brooks B17 Special since I got my Atlantis, which 
>> was about 1.5 years ago. I applied proofide when I bought it. Over time 
>> I've developed this weird 'snake bite' pattern right above the metal 
>> nose 
>> piece. I just emailed Brooks and they indicated it was 'in desperate and 
>> immediate need of tensioning', which I find odd. The saddle still has 
>> the 
>> shape it had when new. It's not sagging or a hammock like some very old 
>> and 
>> worn saddles. I was under the impression tensioning these saddles 
>> unnecessarily could lead to premature failure. 1.5 years seems pretty 
>> early. Anyone else have this problem? I'm going to follow their advice, 
>> but 
>> thought it was weird.
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Re: [RBW] Curious Brooks damage

[Deacon Patrick]

"I do not have steel balls. But I do agree that there is a defect here."

Perhaps you should be more specific than "here"? Sardonic grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Thursday, March 10, 2016 at 8:24:57 AM UTC-7, Mark Reimer wrote:
>
> Thanks for the suggestions everyone. Contrary to speculation, I do not 
> have steel balls. But I do agree that there is a defect here. I've taken it 
> to the shop I purchased it from (another reason to buy local when you can!) 
> and they agree, and are going to attempt to have it replaced under 
> warranty. It is three months shy of two years old, so it falls under the 
> regular Brooks warranty. 
>
> The question of sitting too far forward, it's a good question, though I'm 
> positive it's not the case. Even as far as Brooks riders go, my saddle 
> angle is often quite 'upward', sliding me toward the widest part at the 
> rear. I did that because when it was flatter I had a tendency to slide 
> forward, which was rather uncomfortable on my non-steel balls. I'll keep 
> you posted on the warranty response...
>
> On Thursday, March 10, 2016 at 7:55:22 AM UTC-6, Ron Mc wrote:
>>
>> Please don't shoot the messenger here, but I'm going to throw out one 
>> more idea.  Any chance you are sitting too far forward on the saddle?  If 
>> you sit back, does the saddle feel too wide?  If this is the case, you may 
>> want to try Rivet Indy All Road.  Regards.  
>>  
>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 9, 2016 at 9:48 AM, Mark Reimer  wrote:

>
> 
> I've been riding a Brooks B17 Special since I got my Atlantis, which 
> was about 1.5 years ago. I applied proofide when I bought it. Over time 
> I've developed this weird 'snake bite' pattern right above the metal nose 
> piece. I just emailed Brooks and they indicated it was 'in desperate and 
> immediate need of tensioning', which I find odd. The saddle still has the 
> shape it had when new. It's not sagging or a hammock like some very old 
> and 
> worn saddles. I was under the impression tensioning these saddles 
> unnecessarily could lead to premature failure. 1.5 years seems pretty 
> early. Anyone else have this problem? I'm going to follow their advice, 
> but 
> thought it was weird.
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Re: [RBW] Curious Brooks damage

[Mark Reimer]

Thanks for the suggestions everyone. Contrary to speculation, I do not have 
steel balls. But I do agree that there is a defect here. I've taken it to 
the shop I purchased it from (another reason to buy local when you can!) 
and they agree, and are going to attempt to have it replaced under 
warranty. It is three months shy of two years old, so it falls under the 
regular Brooks warranty. 

The question of sitting too far forward, it's a good question, though I'm 
positive it's not the case. Even as far as Brooks riders go, my saddle 
angle is often quite 'upward', sliding me toward the widest part at the 
rear. I did that because when it was flatter I had a tendency to slide 
forward, which was rather uncomfortable on my non-steel balls. I'll keep 
you posted on the warranty response...

On Thursday, March 10, 2016 at 7:55:22 AM UTC-6, Ron Mc wrote:
>
> Please don't shoot the messenger here, but I'm going to throw out one more 
> idea.  Any chance you are sitting too far forward on the saddle?  If you 
> sit back, does the saddle feel too wide?  If this is the case, you may want 
> to try Rivet Indy All Road.  Regards.  
>  
>
>> On Wed, Mar 9, 2016 at 9:48 AM, Mark Reimer  wrote:
>>>

 
 I've been riding a Brooks B17 Special since I got my Atlantis, which 
 was about 1.5 years ago. I applied proofide when I bought it. Over time 
 I've developed this weird 'snake bite' pattern right above the metal nose 
 piece. I just emailed Brooks and they indicated it was 'in desperate and 
 immediate need of tensioning', which I find odd. The saddle still has the 
 shape it had when new. It's not sagging or a hammock like some very old 
 and 
 worn saddles. I was under the impression tensioning these saddles 
 unnecessarily could lead to premature failure. 1.5 years seems pretty 
 early. Anyone else have this problem? I'm going to follow their advice, 
 but 
 thought it was weird.

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Re: [RBW] Curious Brooks damage

[Ron Mc]

Please don't shoot the messenger here, but I'm going to throw out one more 
idea.  Any chance you are sitting too far forward on the saddle?  If you 
sit back, does the saddle feel too wide?  If this is the case, you may want 
to try Rivet Indy All Road.  Regards.  
 

> On Wed, Mar 9, 2016 at 9:48 AM, Mark Reimer  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> 
>>> I've been riding a Brooks B17 Special since I got my Atlantis, which was 
>>> about 1.5 years ago. I applied proofide when I bought it. Over time I've 
>>> developed this weird 'snake bite' pattern right above the metal nose piece. 
>>> I just emailed Brooks and they indicated it was 'in desperate and immediate 
>>> need of tensioning', which I find odd. The saddle still has the shape it 
>>> had when new. It's not sagging or a hammock like some very old and worn 
>>> saddles. I was under the impression tensioning these saddles unnecessarily 
>>> could lead to premature failure. 1.5 years seems pretty early. Anyone else 
>>> have this problem? I'm going to follow their advice, but thought it was 
>>> weird.
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Re: [RBW] Curious Brooks damage

[ascpgh]

Something else of steel if sitting with those wearing leather there.

I've had the same saddle on my Rambouillet since 2001 and nothing like 
that, or even foreshadowing of such.

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh

On Wednesday, March 9, 2016 at 11:02:04 PM UTC-5, Jim Bronson wrote:
>
> balls of steel?
>
> On Wed, Mar 9, 2016 at 9:48 AM, Mark Reimer  > wrote:
>
>>
>> 
>> I've been riding a Brooks B17 Special since I got my Atlantis, which was 
>> about 1.5 years ago. I applied proofide when I bought it. Over time I've 
>> developed this weird 'snake bite' pattern right above the metal nose piece. 
>> I just emailed Brooks and they indicated it was 'in desperate and immediate 
>> need of tensioning', which I find odd. The saddle still has the shape it 
>> had when new. It's not sagging or a hammock like some very old and worn 
>> saddles. I was under the impression tensioning these saddles unnecessarily 
>> could lead to premature failure. 1.5 years seems pretty early. Anyone else 
>> have this problem? I'm going to follow their advice, but thought it was 
>> weird.
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Re: [RBW] Curious Brooks damage

[Hugh Smitham]

I think that thought passed though others minds but you Jim voiced it :)
On Mar 9, 2016 8:02 PM, "Jim Bronson"  wrote:

> balls of steel?
>
> On Wed, Mar 9, 2016 at 9:48 AM, Mark Reimer  wrote:
>
>>
>> 
>> I've been riding a Brooks B17 Special since I got my Atlantis, which was
>> about 1.5 years ago. I applied proofide when I bought it. Over time I've
>> developed this weird 'snake bite' pattern right above the metal nose piece.
>> I just emailed Brooks and they indicated it was 'in desperate and immediate
>> need of tensioning', which I find odd. The saddle still has the shape it
>> had when new. It's not sagging or a hammock like some very old and worn
>> saddles. I was under the impression tensioning these saddles unnecessarily
>> could lead to premature failure. 1.5 years seems pretty early. Anyone else
>> have this problem? I'm going to follow their advice, but thought it was
>> weird.
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Re: [RBW] Curious Brooks damage

[Jim Bronson]

balls of steel?

On Wed, Mar 9, 2016 at 9:48 AM, Mark Reimer  wrote:

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> I've been riding a Brooks B17 Special since I got my Atlantis, which was
> about 1.5 years ago. I applied proofide when I bought it. Over time I've
> developed this weird 'snake bite' pattern right above the metal nose piece.
> I just emailed Brooks and they indicated it was 'in desperate and immediate
> need of tensioning', which I find odd. The saddle still has the shape it
> had when new. It's not sagging or a hammock like some very old and worn
> saddles. I was under the impression tensioning these saddles unnecessarily
> could lead to premature failure. 1.5 years seems pretty early. Anyone else
> have this problem? I'm going to follow their advice, but thought it was
> weird.
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[RBW] Curious Brooks damage

[Mark Reimer]

I've been riding a Brooks B17 Special since I got my Atlantis, which was 
about 1.5 years ago. I applied proofide when I bought it. Over time I've 
developed this weird 'snake bite' pattern right above the metal nose piece. 
I just emailed Brooks and they indicated it was 'in desperate and immediate 
need of tensioning', which I find odd. The saddle still has the shape it 
had when new. It's not sagging or a hammock like some very old and worn 
saddles. I was under the impression tensioning these saddles unnecessarily 
could lead to premature failure. 1.5 years seems pretty early. Anyone else 
have this problem? I'm going to follow their advice, but thought it was 
weird.

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